In the Bundestag: Germany may appeal to the UN due to US sanctions on Nord Stream 2

The German parliament is currently discussing the possibility of appealing to the UN with a protest due to US pressure on the participants in the Nord Stream 2 project. They regard Washington's extraterritorial sanctions as a threat to sovereignty.

Klaus Ernst, who holds the post of the head of the Committee on Economics and Energy of the German Bundestag, spoke about this in an interview with the Russian TV channel today. RT.

The German politician considers it unacceptable that one country dictates to another sovereign country how it should conduct its energy policy. Now the United States is trying to do this with regard to Germany and the European Union. According to Ernst, this is "contrary to any reasonable relationship."

Commenting on the decision of the European Commission that the imposition of American sanctions against European companies is a violation of international law, the politician expressed his agreement with its position. He believes that the United States is intervening in issues that do not concern them:

After all, the fact is that these sanctions do not apply to the territory of the United States, they concern the European Union.

Klaus Ernst also said that the European Union is discussing the possibility of raising this issue at the UN level, as well as filing claims with the relevant international courts.

I wonder, when did the so-called international courts make decisions that run counter to Washington's interests? Klaus Ernst should have cited this kind of statistics.

Comments

[RUnnm]

It's simple - if there will be SP2 - Germany will also have a chance to achieve political independence. There will be no SP-2, which means that Europe is not ready to get out of the US wake. It seems that in many respects the issue of finishing the construction of SP2 is fundamental and strategically more important for Europe than for Russia.
For it is for Europe that he will decide the issue of Germany's leadership, or the strengthening of US satellites such as Poland and the Baltic states. He will decide whether Germany is ready for economic growth in a new period of history, or will be put on a long-term energy expensive component.
Will the old Europe be able to gather strength and take a step towards the formation of an economic (first) EU-Russia-China bloc, which will surpass the United States or not?
Therefore, I think that the SP-2 exam is primarily for Europe, and not for us. For we will sell our gas as usual. Not to Europe, so to Asia ...
And Europe may not have such a second chance for a long time.

[Insurgent]

In the Bundestag: Germany may appeal to the UN due to US sanctions on Nord Stream 2

This is what it means not to have your own strength and will in the confrontation with the US-Gopnik ...

"Hooligans deprive"

[Temples]

Quote: RUnnm

It's simple - if there will be SP2 - Germany will also have a chance to achieve political independence. There will be no SP-2, which means that Europe is not ready

Indeed this

trumpet

became a political matter.
The independence of the Germans is at stake.
The Russians left Germany. Americans don't want to.

The economic benefit from this pipe has long been in the background.

Russians give Germans a chance to become independent.

I think the Germans understand this.
It is not gas that is important (in any case it will be either Russian or American, because there is no one of our own), independence is important.

And it is important for ours not to sell gas.
It is important to make Germany independent.
The Germans are easier to deal with than the "united Europe".

[Insurgent]

Quote: Temples

Russians give Germans a chance to become independent.

I think the Germans understand this.

Germans-Germans , but the political elite, in itself ...

[RUnnm]

Don't forget that politics is an extension of the economy. And the government may not give a damn about the opinion of the Germans, but the opinion of the FIGs sponsoring the parties is a completely different matter.

[RUnnm]

But still, there is one caveat - our gas is cheaper by at least 20%. And this gives Germany a huge competitive advantage. Especially in the context of the strongest Asian industrial expansion. And here the question of Germany's economic leadership already arises, thanks to the margin that it will receive from SP2.
Otherwise, Asia may simply oust Germany from the markets.

[Sergey39]

Quote: RUnnm

Therefore, I think that the SP-2 exam is primarily for Europe, and not for us. For we will sell our gas as usual. Not to Europe, so to Asia ...
And Europe may not have such a second chance for a long time.

I totally agree. SP-2 became a symbol of Europe's gradual abandonment of Euro-Atlantic cooperation. Merkel has a year and nothing is holding her back. She is not interested in the upcoming elections in Germany and the United States should expect unpleasant surprises from her. No wonder Putin yesterday proposed holding an emergency meeting of the permanent members of the UN Security Council with Germany.

[Clear]

The German parliament is currently discussing the possibility of appealing to the UN with a protest due to US pressure

Probably, first you need to Antonio Guterres, UN Secretary General, to send validola and corvalola

[antivirus]

- you should contact sports lotto

+ let them send them more condoms for free - humanitarian aid

I'm surprised that in the article about Finnish coal the word "idiut" is present, but the word was also removed from my room.
moderators are not udiut (as the son said at 3 years old)

[parusnik]

The German parliament is currently discussing the possibility of appealing to the UN with a protest due to US pressure on the participants in the Nord Stream 2 project. They regard Washington's extraterritorial sanctions as a threat to sovereignty.

... It is impossible to appeal in defense of what does not exist ... Even now it has become interesting, will they appeal and what will the UN do, will the United States be brought in line, will they announce sanctions? And all progressive mankind, as one, will defend the economic interests of the FRG ... Mlyn, while he was writing, his slippers were torn with laughter ...

[Ham]

Let them write to the sports lot ... or to the league of sexual reforms ...
can they help there

[Roman246810]

The German politician considers it unacceptable that one country dictates to another sovereign country how it should conduct its energy policy.

And where does the UN?
Tell me - is the US obliged to cooperate with some German port there ??
Nuuu .. they want - they cooperate .. But they don't want to if .. they just refuse ..
And they announce that all those who will swim to this port and so on will not "want" to work with those of the United States either.
They do not force Germany to abandon SP2 by threatening to drop a bomb .. they only say that they (the states) do not want this .. and that they have the right to impose sanctions on it .. Their own sanctions !! Not international .. The seller / buyer has every right to refuse to sell / buy something else ..

[Roman246810]

5 bots could not answer anything, and just silently noted their ignorance ..))

[Clear]

Quote: Roman246810

The German politician considers it unacceptable that one country dictates to another sovereign country how it should conduct its energy policy.

And where does the UN?
Tell me - is the US obliged to cooperate with some German port there ??
Nuuu .. they want - they cooperate .. But they don't want to if .. they just refuse ..
And they announce that all those who will swim to this port and so on will not "want" to work with those of the United States either.
They do not force Germany to abandon SP2 by threatening to drop a bomb .. they only say that they (the states) do not want this .. and that they have the right to impose sanctions on it .. Their own sanctions !! Not international .. The seller / buyer has every right to refuse to sell / buy something else ..

You, "smart girl" Roman (many figures), this is exactly what needs to be shown to the whole world that they do not care about international agreements and that everyone would understand that while the United States

Quote: Roman246810

just refuse ..

, and their next step

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threatening to drop a bomb ..

example of Japan is!

[Roman246810]

People .. horses ..))
Was the bomb on Japan as a manifestation of the sanctions ?? If someone has forgotten - there was a war .. You can remember Orange in Vietnam, or how Jews were gassed in German camps .. But what does this have to do with trade and business ?? That's right - no ..

it is necessary to show the whole world that they do not care about international agreements

It is necessary - show ..
I can buy milk from you for dozens of years, and if I suddenly stop liking you for something, I will buy it from someone for twice as much, but I will "punish" you .. And then go "show the whole world" in the courts how bad I am. ...

[Clear]

Quote: Roman246810

People .. horses ..))
Was the bomb on Japan as a manifestation of the sanctions ?? If someone has forgotten - there was a war .. You can remember Orange in Vietnam, or how Jews were gassed in German camps .. But what does this have to do with trade and business ?? That's right - no ..

it is necessary to show the whole world that they do not care about international agreements

It is necessary - show ..
I can buy milk from you for dozens of years, and if I suddenly stop liking you for something, I will buy it from someone for twice as much, but I will "punish" you .. And then go "show the whole world" in the courts how bad I am. ...

There is no need for the "native" to puff here about the unimportance of public opinion, especially the world one. Themselves here, on the site, you form it constantly, day and night. And do not knock you out with anything.

Quote: Roman246810

You can also remember Orange in Vietnam, or how Jews were gassed in German camps ..

And we will remember this, but we will not go far, the peaceful cities of Yugoslavia were bombed, bastards?

[Roman246810]

There is no need for the "native" to puff here about the unimportance of public opinion, especially the world one.

Well .. they slipped into personalities .. because in essence there was nothing to argue ..))
First, write nonsense about the bomb .. and then accuse me that I do not form such an opinion .. Only now, returning to the UN court - what is their business, with whom they want and with whom the United States does not want to work ..

And we will remember this, but we will not go far, the peaceful cities of Yugoslavia were bombed, bastards?

That - and Yugoslavia was bombed for the construction of the Nord Stream ??) What does this have to do with trade and business ?? That's right - no ..

[Yura]

Quote: Roman246810

and that they have the right to impose sanctions on it

And what is there to answer? Offer Germany to impose sanctions on the United States, is that their right?

Commenting on the decision of the European Commission that the imposition of American sanctions against European companies is a violation of international law, the politician expressed his agreement with its position. He believes that the United States is intervening in issues that do not concern them:
After all, the fact is that these sanctions do not apply to the territory of the United States, they concern the European Union.

International law is precisely the prerogative of the UN. The most important international organization is the United Nations, which was created to maintain peace, international security and develop cooperation between states. The UN Charter is a universal international treaty and establishes the foundations of modern international law. As a constitutional document, the Charter regulates the activities of the United Nations as an international organization. The UN Charter is binding on all states. This document defines the goals and principles of international law, forms the basis of a comprehensive security system and a code of conduct for states in the economic, military, political, environmental and humanitarian fields. The provisions of the UN Charter prevail over other international treaties. Are you saying that Germany is violating the rights and sovereignty of the United States by building the SP-2?

[Roman246810]

Offer Germany to impose sanctions on the United States, is that their right?

So let them introduce it .. if they can ..))
That's the trick .. that it is less profitable for Germany than simply abandoning SP2 ..

Are you saying that Germany is violating the rights and sovereignty of the United States by building the SP-2?

Hospadi .. where did I write this ??
What Germany violates / does not violate is the tenth thing.
It's just that America DOESN'T LIKE it .. Is that not enough ??
The simplest example is the ship Alseas .. Nobody forbade them to build SP2 ..
They were just told - we DO NOT WANT this .. and if you build further - we will not be friends with you !! We just won't cooperate in the future .. we won't let them on our shelves, we won't sign contracts, etc. Doesn't the USA have the right to do this ?? And it's hard for me to understand where the United States is violating German rights here ..
Germany has the right to decide whether to build a stream or not !! This is the main thing !!
And what is more profitable for them .. Germany itself will decide ..

[Kurare]

Quote: Roman246810

...

They threw you minuses here, I'll just clarify why:

Quote: Roman246810

Tell me - is the US obliged to cooperate with some German port there ??

They are not obliged, but they can make it so that no one else will cooperate with them ...

Quote: Roman246810

They do not force Germany to abandon SP2 by threatening to drop a bomb ..

"Bombs" are different. There are also economic ones (see above)

Quote: Roman246810

they just say - that they (states) this I do not want..

I DO NOT WANT? Thank you for making me laugh! The USA is so fluffy. This is probably why the Swiss "Allseas" stopped working. Do you know how it was? The states sent a letter to the company in which it was spelled out (exaggerated): you will continue to build the SP-2, we will do everything to make it your last construction.

Quote: Roman246810

After all, a seller / buyer has every right to refuse to sell / buy something else.

You probably have never heard anything about contracts and the fact that breaking contractual obligations is fraught with sanctions, fines, etc.

[Roman246810]

They threw you minuses here, I'll just clarify why:

I know why .. patamushta "patriots" ..))

They are not obliged, but they can make it so that no one else will cooperate with them ...

This is their right .. As well as those who will / will not cooperate - there is always the right to choose this ..

"Bombs" are different. There are also economic ones (see above)

In this case, Germany itself drops this bomb on itself .. (see above)

DO NOT WANT? laughing Thank you for making me laugh! The USA is so fluffy. This is probably why the Swiss "Allseas" stopped working. Do you know how it was? The states sent a letter to the company in which it was spelled out (exaggerated): you will continue to build the SP-2, we will do everything to make it your last construction.

What's funny ?? I already wrote this three times above - nobody forbade Alseas to work .. If we would like to - could build SP2 further .. no one twisted his hands ..
They DID NOT WANT to build by themselves .. because they thought it would be unprofitable ..
Letter?? Well, yes .. it was like that .. Is it a crime to write letters ??
Let Gazprom write its letter .. or, most likely, they wrote it ..
Alseas just CHOOSED the letter where he liked the terms best !!

You probably have never heard anything about contracts and the fact that breaking contractual obligations is fraught with sanctions, fines, etc.

Is it true ?? Well then, let Gazprom sue Alseas .. or there against Germany .. I argued against this somewhere ??)

Anyway, the Seller / Buyer has every right to refuse to sell / buy something else.
The States wrote a letter about this to Alseas .. they read the benefit .. deducted the fine to Gazprom (or maybe it wasn’t there .. but that wasn’t the fault of the States) .. and decided that it was more profitable to send Gazprom by forest ..
It was DECIDED in Alseas. And then the UN ..))

[Kurare]

Quote: Roman246810

... patamushta "patriots" ..))

Well, of course, you can blame everything on this. Can you actually say something?

Quote: Roman246810

This is their right ..

Why on earth and for how long can international law be substituted for American law? The fact that the Americans can do this at the moment is a great honor to everyone else who does not oppose this - it does not!

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We would like to - we could build SP2 further .. no one twisted their hands ..

The fact of the matter is that they not only twisted their hands, but also promised to tear them off! Read carefully what I have written.

Quote: Roman246810

Alseas just CHOOSED the letter where he liked the terms best !!

When there is no choice - is it your choice?

Quote: Roman246810

Well then, let Gazprom sue Alseas.

I don't know if Gazprom, or even all the investors in JV-2, will sue Allseas, but if everything is written in the contract normally, then this is a minimum penalty.

[RUnnm]

Only the UN Security Council has the right to impose sanctions. According to the provisions of the same WTO, transatlantic partnership agreements, any sanctions or protectionism are prohibited.

[Roman246810]

If we want - we sell S-400 to Turkey .. if we don't want it - we won't sell it ..
No UN Security Council will oblige us to do this !! And he has no right to that !!
We can do the same with tomatoes ..
Everyone can do the same.

[RUnnm]

You are fundamentally giving the wrong analogy !!! If you use your images, then it would be correct - "we want - we sell s-400 to Turkey, we don't want - we don't sell. But ... if Turkey wants to buy something not from us, then we have its sanctions, we impose sanctions on everything companies from other countries that want to sell something to Turkey, we impose sanctions on all companies, countries that at least somehow participate in the transaction - insurers, contractors, lending banks, etc. And then we impose sanctions on all those who, in general, are related to everyone previously described companies and countries. " So there is no need to primitize and portray the market here. In fact, this is a declaration of an economical war.
By the way, the Security Council not only has to impose sanctions on terrorists, but only it has the right to legitimize ANY sanctions.

[Roman246810]

I reread it three times .. I could not find any differences ..))
"We want" changed to "we want" ..
This, of course, radically changes everything ..))

[RUnnm]

I'll simplify. You come to a car dealership and want to buy a Mercedes. And then I tell you - buy a Mercedes, not a GM - I will block all your accounts, the accounts of those banks in which you have a salary card. I will block the accounts of your apartment utilities and insurers. And I will also impose sanctions on all the shops that you want even a loaf of bread. And I will block the accounts, transactions not only of these stores, but also the entire chain of their counterparties. They wanted to send the child to a kindergarten or school - all of them and their counterparties are subject to sanctions. Do you want to get married? - sanctions on the bride and all her relatives. Do you want a child? - he is already under sanctions for life and everyone who meets in his life.
At the same time, these are not empty threats, I am your president of a super-authoritarian state, and you are just a serf. Is that clearer?

[Roman246810]

And then I tell you

And who are you?? To begin with .. Well, according to legend ..))
If you own all my accounts and salaries .. you can probably block it ..))

I will also impose sanctions on all the shops that you want even a loaf of bread

As a bread supplier, you can no longer supply bread to these shops .. What's the problem ??

As for the rest, of course, you "simplified" ..)) Marry, child .. Well, if you are my father - of course you can forbid me to marry .. and not help the child after ..

And if you do not distort, and do not simplify - I sell you rolled metal products .. with a good discount .. for a long time .. and profitable ..
And I am also in a quarrel with one supplier of coal, from whom you suddenly wanted to buy a batch of this coal .. And I tell you - you will work with him - I will not sell you metal anymore !! Choose yourself what is more profitable for you, and with whom to work .. Everything is simple, and everything is legal !! Without any there "I will take away the bank card" .. And you can go to the UN or the Security Council ..

Shl .. I don’t understand what the dispute is about .. I have already given an example 5 times - we want to sell S-400 to Turkey - we sold it .. If we don’t want it, we didn’t sell it !! This is our business !! And there is nothing to simplify to the point of absurdity.

[RUnnm]

No ... I just control the entire financial system, I control your monetary system, your employers, your government belong to me ... but in fact, I'm sorry, thank you for the dialogue, but further, continue without me. Good luck and thanks for your feedback.

[Roman246810]

Well, if you control everything, then you have the right to everything ..))
Good luck ..

[Polymer]

Quote: Roman246810

For the rest, of course, you "simplified"

It can be simplified even more: a dark alley, a knife to the throat, and the classic question: life or wallet? You give the wallet, and they tell you - you yourself made your choice, no one forced you!

[Roman246810]

By the way, the Security Council not only has to impose sanctions on terrorists, but only it has the right to legitimize ANY sanctions.

I already answered above about SB ..

If we want - we sell S-400 to Turkey .. if we don't want it - we won't sell it ..
No UN Security Council will oblige us to do this !! And he has no right to that !!

The most important thing is that we can refuse Turkey without any BUT ..

if Turkey wants to buy something not from us, then we have its sanctions, we impose sanctions on all companies from other countries that want to sell something to Turkey, we impose sanctions on all companies, countries that at least somehow participate in the transaction - insurers, contractors, lending banks, etc. And then we impose sanctions on all those who, in general, are related to all previously described companies and countries. "So there is no need here to primitize and portray the market. in fact, this is a declaration of economic war.

You can call it whatever you like .. sanctions, economic war .. or just "offended, and we don't want to buy sprats from Barzhomi" ..

In any case, the UN cannot oblige us to sell S-400 to Turkey !! It is a fact..
In the same way, the UN cannot oblige us to sell something else to those who will be involved with Turkey in this .. "insurers, contractors, lending banks, etc." Yes, even if any chain there will be from hundreds of companies ..

If there is a right not to sell the S-400 to Turkey (and there is one !!) - exactly by the same right, we can not sell anything to all these "insurers, contractors, lending banks, etc."

[Polymer]

Quote: Roman246810

If we want - we sell S-400 to Turkey .. if we don't want it - we won't sell it ..

Here's another example: Russia wants to sell Iran tanks, aircraft and other offensive weapons. But it cannot, because it is UN sanctions.

[Andrea]

Write directly to Sportloto.

[rocket757]

The German parliament is currently discussing the possibility of contacting

it seems that in Berlin they calculated how much the "molecules of freedom" would cost them.
It is noteworthy that EVERYONE who blamed in our direction about this ARE BARGAINING for the price of our gas, but nobody refused it !!! one side of the land is ready to "sniff" our gas, but "purified", albeit virtually, by foreign cleaners ... for a very additional fee! those "cleaners" are already laughing at them !!! for free babosiki getting.

[Roman246810]

it seems that in Berlin they calculated how much the "molecules of freedom" would cost them.

Right..
And proceeding from the fact that they intend to "sue" through the UN - they currently consider it more expensive to finish building SP2.
And therefore .. fenita la comedy ..

[Fungus]

Let's finish it. And in 4 years we will deprive you of transit. Cut the pipe and lose $ 3 billion annually. You have to pay for Nazism. You will be even more on your knees before the IMF.

[Roman246810]

And after 4 years we will deprive you of transit

You first lay a transit through Voronezh, then you will deprive me of it ..))
The fungus has already spread to the cerebral cortex ..))

[iouris]

... have addressed. And there is the USA!

[rotmistr60]

considers it unacceptable that one country dictates to another sovereign country

Are you clear? While the Germans hold on and try to defend their position, they even decided to complain to the UN. But they fussed when they seriously touched their own pockets and the Americans came to their humiliation, and earlier, on the contrary, supported the United States in all their "projects" on sanctions and assaults.

[Nyrobsky]

They saw it, did not see it, but it is symbolic here that Europe has gone to seek protection of its interests in the UN. It is even more symbolic that this appeal was drawn up in solidarity from 24 countries, with the exception of "Hyena" and "Three Tigers". The beauty of the situation lies in the fact that the UN is positioned as a guardian of international law (which in fact does not exist), and if it goes on about the United States ignoring this very right, then the organization can essentially be given up.

[Roman246810]

The "beauty of the situation" is that the UN cannot force Alseas to build SP2 .. and cannot force the States to trade with Germany more than the States themselves want ..

[dik-nsk]

Have ripened?

no one has seen anywhere, Klaus Ernst is the leader of the left, such statements (logical and objective) are constant with them .. so nothing new, but also does not solve anything

[prior]

As Russian oil and gas sales increase, Russia faces a growing number of international problems.
The more gas Gazprom sells, the more it owes someone ?!
What is this national property?
So maybe Europe is better without gas, and Russia without problems?

[iouris]

Quote: prior

What is this national property? So maybe Europe is better without gas, and Russia without problems?

When did Gazprom become a "national treasure"? The question is being resolved: Europe with gas, but without Russia. "Why do we need a world without Russia?" Note that I didn't say that.

[prior]

- When did Gazprom become a "national treasure"? - on TV about it, well, every day ...
- The question is being resolved: Europe with gas, but without Russia. - with gas Europe or without gas, it makes me neither warm nor cold.
- "Why do we need a world without Russia?" - This statement by Putin concerns the military component, and I agree with this interpretation of him, if they (the West) agree to the destruction of Russia, why should I grieve if Russia destroys them with a retaliatory strike?
Another big question is, to whom is the sale of our gas more important and necessary, us or Europe?
So let Europe bustle on its own. Our gas will not turn sour ...

[Ruswolf]

In Europe, there are adequate views ..... It's just that they are very dependent on the United States.
Remember the scandal when Germany wanted to regain its gold reserves and the United States. How did it end? We were able to return only slightly more than half. The rest are economically much weaker than Germany. Don't even try. And they do not have a single consolidation. No one trusts anyone.

[iouris]

Colonel, the words "adequate", "chyut", "no one" and "no one" should be rewritten correctly, otherwise such spelling will become the norm, and - the end of Mother Russia. However, with respect and so on.

[Ruswolf]

Capraz 1:1.... otherwise they will not understand

With respect!

[Piramidon]

In the Bundestag: Germany may appeal to the UN due to US sanctions on Nord Stream 2

With the same success can contact "Sportloto". The UN is dancing to the tune of the USA

[alekSASHKA-36]

They are afraid to freeze.

[123456789]

We will write to the (sportloto) WTO!

[senima56]

Germany can of course apply to the UN .... but will there be any sense from this "appeal" ?!
The UN has long been "sagging" under the United States, and what it is capable of more than that is to call on "both sides to remain calm and resolve problems through negotiations"!

[Vladimir Mashkov]

If Germany goes to the UN with a lawsuit against the United States, then it will be a loud international scandal - an open rebellion for the whole world against the staggering world gygyimon! And - the most interesting - today he has every chance of success! Will they only turn?

[Zomanus]

Damn, while they argue, the pipe will have time to rot ...

[Zaurbek]

Here, except for RT, he will not give an interview to anyone. And the UN is unlikely to apply. They will pull the rubber while the pipe is brought to dry land. I openly do not believe that someone will speak out against the State Department. Neither the RF nor the FRG. Why won't the Russian Federation contact the UN on this issue? We are being beaten in the same way as the FRG.