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Belarus. What will happen if the opposition topple Lukashenka?

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Belarus. What will happen if the opposition topple Lukashenka?

Sergei Markov, a fairly well-known Russian public figure, political scientist, co-founder and CEO of the Institute for Political Research LLC, deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation of the 5th convocation, member of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, confidant of President V.V. Putin, candidate of political sciences, member The Council for Foreign and Defense Policy (SVOP) made a very interesting statement on the events in Belarus.


Sergei Markov: What will happen if the opposition topple Lukashenko?

19 theses that cannot be left without comment. In general, there are 18 of them, but before them there was one more, so there are 19 theses of Sergei Markov and comments to them.

So, what will happen if the opposition topples Lukashenka?


And Markov's preliminary thesis. For warm-up. Further quotes from Markov will be in italics.

To begin with, Russia will be blamed for everything bad. Does anyone have any doubt about this?

In general, Russia is no longer accused ... But the situation with 33 detained / arrested Russian citizens, who were arrested for nothing at all, is, as it were, an indicator. And Mr. Lukashenko has voiced enough claims so that thinking and understanding people could draw certain conclusions.

Belarus, represented by the siloviki and Lukashenka himself, succumbed to provocation so quickly and from dispersal that, in general, it becomes clear: there would be a desire, but any reason would be used.

1. In fact, foreigners will come to power in Belarus. There will be many foreigners in the government of Belarus. As in Ukraine.

And why? Where does this come from? For a very long time I was looking for at least some clear information that Babariko, Tsepkalo and Tikhanovsky wanted to attract some foreigners. Yes, the official mass media of Belarus say that the opposition prepared and financed the protest actions. But the evidence is zero. Complete zero. Dollars and euros spread out on the table - sorry, not proof.

The accusation of attracting some foreigners looks just as unfounded. As in Ukraine.

2. Unlike Ukraine, power in Belarus will be controlled not by the United States, but by Poland. This will be the Polish government of Belarus.

Serious statement. But there is no justification. None so much that it's even funny.

3. The Polish government of Belarus will either leave the CSTO and the EEC, or will ruin them from within.

First, you need to somehow fulfill point 2. And put the Poles in all key posts in Belarus. Since point 2 I consider stupid, then point 3 goes along the same stitch path.

But if hypothetically imprisoned, then yes, leaving the CSTO is quite logical and possible. But such a distribution of posts is illogical. Well, not for that Babariko and Tikhanovsky, risking, went to the elections, then to take and plant Poles everywhere. It looks silly.

4. Relations with Russia will sharply deteriorate in all directions, as in Ukraine and Russia.

It is as unsubstantiated as the previous two points.

5. As in Ukraine, the arrival of Russian citizens in Belarus will be limited, and for the majority it will be simply prohibited.

It is highly doubtful. Ukraine closed down when the Russians began to help their brothers in Donbas, fearing that they would be able to organize a "fifth column." Not without reason, by the way.

6. The Russian language will be gradually banned in Belarus, as well as in Ukraine. It will lose its state status, it will be expelled from the media and from the education system.

So what? Again "like in Ukraine"? Well, in Ukraine, sorry, they still speak Russian in the same way. Yes, those in power are those who in every possible way humiliate the Russian language in terms of education, but the general mass of the people still speaks the same way.

7. Enterprises will be privatized by Polish owners. Belarusians will get almost nothing. They will work for the Poles in their country. The main Belarusian oligarchs will be Poles. They will buy everyone and crush those who disagree.

Enterprises? Polish? Owners? A terrible bedtime story rushed. Will they drink the blood of babies too? Interestingly, and where from the Belarusian enterprises, 100% built during the Soviet era, Polish owners suddenly appear?

Imagination is clearly over the edge ... Rather, Russian oligarchs will come and tell what is whose.

8. Many industrial enterprises will stop, their workers will be fired and look for temporary jobs. Harvesting strawberries in the fields, for example. As in Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria and other countries. There will be unemployment.

9. Large enterprises that operate on the Russian market will be stopped. Their employees have been fired. As in Ukraine.


So many or large ones working for the Russian market? Here it would be worth deciding. But again, a terrible tale. No evidence.

10. There will be a sharp degradation of the economy, its de-industrialization. As in Ukraine and other countries of Eastern Europe.

What a beauty ... Of course, subject to the fulfillment of points 8 and 9. Then, of course, easily. But let's be frank: Belarus is not such an industrial country. Of the irreplaceable, perhaps, only the tractor. And that is because the factories in Volgograd and Lipetsk rotted away. But they would work - in general, it would be sad, because MAZ products are easily replaced by products from KamAZ, LiAZ and Volgabus. BelAZ - yes, but you must admit that this is not bought every day.

The degradation of the economy and industry can generally occur only if Russia stops buying Belarusian products. All. There are no more options and cannot be.

11. Nobody will accept Belarus in the EU. Like Ukraine.

The only point I agree with. Yes, Belarus has nothing to do in the EU, nobody needs its goods there. There are enough of their own farmers, everyone is on subsidies.

12. Victory Day on May 9 will not be celebrated. As in Ukraine.

Well, I don’t know where Mr. Markov got such hatred and contempt for Belarusians. As in Ukraine, you say? Have been and news not on the first look? In general, there is the Internet, in it you can easily find the truth and a carriage. The fact that the president and the vradskie parade did not hold in Kiev does not mean anything. It's not about the parade, it's about the heads and hearts.







Celebrate Victory Day in Ukraine, celebrate. People. And they won't stop doing it, at least do something. I declare this to you as a person who has many friends and informants there.

And the Belarusians will not stop.

And in general, only a very low and vile person can afford to speculate on this.

13. Many monuments to the soldiers of the Soviet Army during the Great Patriotic War will be demolished. As in Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia.

Again indiscriminate spitting at the Belarusians. Catch. I won't comment, I just don't know how you can sign for a whole nation like this.

14. Textbooks will teach Belarusian schoolchildren that Russians are the eternal enemies of Belarusians, and Poland is the eternal elder brother of Belarus.
Delusional, to be honest. In the west of Ukraine, which was not born Russian, there, yes, you can bring this into your head. How about Belarus - I don't know. The heads there, judging by the latest events, are hot, but bright. I just don't believe it.

15. Troops of Poland, the USA and other NATO countries will be deployed in Belarus. As in Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia.

Maybe, but why? The Baltic states have begged for themselves "protection from the aggressor", Belarus what to defend?

16. There will be no freedom of speech in the media, as in Ukraine.

Well, yes, I see what kind of freedom of speech there is now, and my soul rejoices. No, if you praise Lukashenka - complete freedom. But if you are against - then here you are the riot police, and the KGB, and all the pleasures of clarifying wrong. Vaughn, opposition candidates are still being explained. Behind bars.

17. There will be no free elections, as in Ukraine. Only those politicians who are ready to hate Russia and pursue an anti-Russian policy will be admitted to the elections by foreign, that is, Polish special services.

This is a masterpiece! This is bravo, Mr. Markov! It is immediately clear that Putin's confidant is broadcasting! Piously believing that in our last ballot, do not understand how to call it correctly, nothing is attributed or drawn.

No, we have piously observed honesty at the elections, everything is honest and open. Why is Belarus worse? Because if in Russia 78% have drawn, how can Belarus lag behind in caps competition? Here's 80%! Well, we don't have to wait long, let's see how much they will draw in 2024.

My personal opinion, which is confirmed by our Belarusian readers who trusted me in their letters: Lukashenka drew the election results in the same way as we drew the show about the Constitution. And who is dissatisfied - over there, next to the riot police, there is a place for statements. Forward.


18. The Belarusian language will be artificially forcibly changed, and even more polonized, like Ukrainian.

I won't even comment on this. And every Belarusian will have to send a liter of blood to the bank of bloody Polish vampires.

The conclusion is simple: only a traitor to Belarus and a traitor to Russia can support the violent overthrow of Lukashenka by the pro-Polish forces and the special services of Poland.

How much nonsense can you fit in two lines? So much is. If I were the Poles, I would sue this "political scientist". Because the provocative insult to the country with which Belarus has no friction is obvious.

Mr. Markov openly insults two peoples at once in his masterpiece. Belarusians - for the fact that they will calmly accept all this, affirming this in advance, completely not bothering themselves with any evidence, and Poles.

In general, everything is luxurious with the Poles, it turns out that all the unrest in Belarus is organized, according to Lukashenko and Markov, by unemployed parasites on the money of the Polish special services ...

About traitors to Belarus and traitors to Russia. Supporting the violent overthrow of Lukashenka. By the pro-Polish forces (who is this ???) and the Polish special services.


In general, only a person who is seriously ill in the head can support this.

But a former State Duma deputy, a former lecturer at the Faculty of Political Science at Moscow State University. MV Lomonosov, a former professor at the Faculty of Political Science at MGIMO (University) of the Russian Foreign Ministry, for some reason does not see any other way.

Why Poland? But what about the United States? Where is the USA? Great Britain? Terrorist organizations? It's a shame.

In general, it is a pity that such confidants are found around Putin. Very sorry. Everything written by Mr. Markin is sheer nonsense, I don't know for whom it was designed. It seems that he just took some kind of training manual half a century ago and rewrote it. No more, no less.

Whom Mr. Markov wanted to scare is not clear. But his creativity does not cause any fear, except regret.

As for what is happening in Belarus today, we will be discussing everything that happens for a very long time, analyzing and comparing. With Ukraine.


But it is impossible to compare correctly. The fact that with the elections Lukashenka staged a complete clownery, starting with the planting of his competitors (it really was impossible to do, they still drew a "victory") and ending with what the security forces are doing.

Any people in a democratic country have every right to express their opinion. If it's a democratic country, of course. Belarus is clearly different. But no matter how anyone there pretends.

So, if the people have the right to have an opinion, then where did the clubs, gas, water cannons, rubber and military bullets come from? Are these all symbols of democracy?

Not. This is totalitarianism.

I do not completely relieve the responsibility of those who followed the Ukrainian path. Fittings and Molotov cocktails in response are ugly. It's dill-like.

It is clear that now it’s not really clear who was the first. Although I understand that the siloviki, whom Lukashenka incited against the disaffected. It's a pity they went. It is a pity that they began to shoot.

I do not believe that people paid for by external and internal enemies took to the streets. With us, the governor Furgala also quite often turns out to be paid by the Georgians.

In general, this trend is as follows: went against the government - paid for by an external enemy. And nothing else. What's in Russia, what's in Belarus. Fashion is like that. A real citizen can only approve.


I express my solidarity to the protesters in Belarus. Those without bottles and fittings. I am very sorry that a bunch of joyfully yelling news has appeared on the Russian Internet that combatants have started shooting at Belarusians. I’m sorry that Putin’s confidant writes this towards Belarusians.

It is the Ukrainian example that tells us that we must remain human in any situation.

And if we talk about President Lukashenko, then it is clear that he will not be asked by the special services of Europe or the United States, but by his own people, which sooner or later will get tired of the somewhat prolonged reign to bitterness. Belarusians are already demonstrating this. And I believe that they will succeed.

As well as I would never believe that Belarusians will stop speaking the same language with us and celebrate Victory Day. Wrong people, as it were.

You shouldn't be like that, Mr. Markov.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 14 August 2020 05: 17 New
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    Arguments that one side and the other are far-fetched ... And somehow I really would not want these scenarios to come true ...
    And honestly, the author passes off many of his desires as reality, both due to the situation in Ukraine and due to the "peacefulness" of Poland.
    From September 1, 2020, it is prohibited to conduct education in Russian at schools and universities in Ukraine. There and so, the number of people speaking MOV has increased sharply, since the use of the Russian language in administrative and state institutions, as well as by employees of stores, is punishable by large fines by the standards of Ukraine, then MOV is already pouring in all over there ... At such a pace, years in ten, the Russian language will disappear and everyday communication in many families.
    And how to relate to this:

    The ambassadors of the EU countries laid a wreath and flowers at the place of death of a protester in Belarus and SUPPORTED the protesters ...
    Isn't this interference in internal affairs?
    And the news of the last hours
    According to PAP, the presidents of four countries (Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia) issued a joint statement.
    “Isolation is not the path to prosperity and development for any nation. We are ready to offer our mediation participation in achieving a peaceful settlement in Belarus and strengthening the independence and sovereignty of Belarus, ”it says.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 14 August 2020 06: 23 New
      -7
      "Debriefing" in Minsk is just beginning. But everything will settle down, be sure.
      Respect to Roman!
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 14 August 2020 06: 51 New
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        ... There will be no free elections

        What is happening now in Belarus is just an example of free elections! Unconditional 80% of the support of the population of Lukashenka And as gratitude for such high support, Alexander Grigorievich, prescribed rubber bullets and police batons to the people who adore him.

        The situation with the dictator Lukashenka is somewhat reminiscent of Russian realities as regards the lack of alternatives. And here and here the clearing has been cleared. The Belarusians are slipping dubious housewives, and the Russians the girl from House 2 is Sobchak.
        1. Mastrer
          Mastrer 14 August 2020 08: 06 New
          +6
          Here, the approaches are different. In Belarus, they were able to push candidates who could win the elections (they were transplanted like a giraffe, in cages, but nevertheless).

          And in Russia there is simply no one to vote for ...
          Or Putin or nobody. And somehow they do without sudden landings, everything is done strongly in advance and much softer.
          1. qQQQ
            qQQQ 14 August 2020 08: 59 New
            +3
            Quote: Mastrer
            And somehow they do without sudden landings, everything is done strongly in advance and much softer.

            So I talk about this all the time, that the elections were made long before the voting procedure itself. To guarantee the desired result, the column against everyone was removed, as the only means that could somehow influence the result. Therefore, I do not see any point in participating in our elections.
            1. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 14 August 2020 14: 39 New
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              I stopped reading this nonsense after Skomorokhov's "brilliant" phrase "In general, there is the Internet, in it you can easily find the truth and a carriage"This is what smiled. In general, it resembles a dispute between lovers of politics. Both are mistaken.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 14 August 2020 22: 17 New
                +3
                Quote: mikh-korsakov
                I stopped reading this nonsense after Skomorokhov's "brilliant" phrase "In general, there is the Internet, in it you can easily find the truth and a carriage"This is what smiled. In general, it resembles a dispute between lovers of politics. Both are mistaken.

                You can really find everything on the Internet ...
                The problem is that it is impossible to tell a lie from the truth.
                1. Temples
                  Temples 17 August 2020 09: 16 New
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                  Roman, they will simply change Lukashenka for a GOOD PRESIDENT. laughing

                  You are kind of an adult ... request

                  There is a Russian proverb:
                  Spit in his eyes, and he says: God's dew.
                2. 72jora72
                  72jora72 18 August 2020 19: 17 New
                  +1
                  You can really find everything on the Internet ...
                  The problem is that it is impossible to tell a lie from the truth.
                  The problem is that on the Internet a person finds and believes only what he wants to find and what he wants to believe. And only so....
                  1. Shurik70
                    Shurik70 18 August 2020 20: 07 New
                    +1
                    Quote: 72jora72
                    on the Internet, a person finds and believes only in what he wants to find and what he wants to believe

                    It's worthy to be quoted!
                    good
              2. Mr.dimadroll
                Mr.dimadroll 16 August 2020 10: 54 New
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                Stopped reading this nonsense

                I support, I also could not finish reading the "masterpiece"
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 14 August 2020 10: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          And as gratitude for such high support, Alexander Grigorievich, prescribed to the people who adore him, rubber bullets and police batons.

          Well, Luka is not Yanukovych. Although the old man has sat in his chair, he has testicles.
          As for bullets and clubs ... well, of course, there were dozens of provocateurs in the crowd of people, paid for by the Anglo-Saxons. And it would not hurt to identify and imprison them, and for a long time. For such citizens do not have a homeland; they are people with reduced social responsibility.
          As for Luka ... I think in a couple of years, the unification of the Russian Federation and Belarus may well take place. And in principle, everything is heading towards this. And so that these plans do not cover themselves with a copper basin, and do not lead to the scenario of Ukraine, the Kremlin, apparently, decided to leave the dad in power.
        3. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 15 August 2020 21: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          ... There will be no free elections

          What is happening now in Belarus is just an example of free elections! Unconditional 80% of the support of the population of Lukashenka And as gratitude for such high support, Alexander Grigorievich, prescribed rubber bullets and police batons to the people who adore him.

          The situation with the dictator Lukashenka is somewhat reminiscent of Russian realities as regards the lack of alternatives. And here and here the clearing has been cleared. The Belarusians are slipping dubious housewives, and the Russians the girl from House 2 is Sobchak.

          I agree with you and share the opinion that 80% are sweet dreams of Lukashenka and their infallible cycle (the same as ours). But I have another question, why are there so many Belarusians with white-red-white flags. what does their current flag not suit them, what does this new symbol mean?
        4. NordUral
          NordUral 19 August 2020 08: 58 New
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          I agree with you, Stas. Lukashenka is the same Putin with us, and the opposition is nothing but tears.
          Both in Belarus and in Russia, the rulers are late and drag our countries to the abyss.
      2. AUL
        AUL 14 August 2020 07: 04 New
        +4
        Everything written by Mr. Markin is sheer nonsense, I don't know for whom it was designed. It seems that he just took some kind of training manual half a century ago and rewrote it.
        Why half a century? Pretty fresh, about five or six years old! wassat
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 14 August 2020 09: 58 New
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          Quote: AUL
          Everything written by Mr. Markin is sheer nonsense,

          Everything written by Mr. Markin is completely true, and whoever does not have enough of an example of Ukraine, let him take a look to Moldova, where 11 years ago Maidan because of the "falsification" of elections "by the dictator" Voronin, with sacred sacrifices, the defeat and burning of the center of the capital by young people, etc.

          The pure, immaculate, democratic, in the board of the people, ANGELS in the flesh came to power.

          Further- Greater cynical theft, violation of the freedoms and rights of citizens. destruction of the economy, debts to everyone and the flight of people abroad, than under these "democrats" - has not been in history.

          Those. Markov's points have already been implemented - he simply took them from existing analogues.

          We'll just bookmark this article and see it in 2 years, 4, 5.

          PS By the way, the oath-promised revelations of the "falsifications of the dictator" of the elections, which is what caused the fuss ...has never been presented, but who already cared? Train has gone...

          And yes, the main angel of protests for democracy is a whole prime minister who came to power on the wave of the Maidan .... sat in PRISON for theft.

          They planted him ... other Maidan angels, who fought with him for fat stolen pieces ...
          1. Servisinzhener
            Servisinzhener 14 August 2020 12: 41 New
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            We'll just bookmark this article and see it in 2 years, 4, 5.
            Followed your example. I also added an article about the strike at BelAZ.
          2. Odysseus
            Odysseus 14 August 2020 20: 52 New
            +8
            Quote: Olgovich
            Everything written by Mr. Markin is completely true, and whoever does not have enough of an example of Ukraine, let him look at Moldova, where 11 years ago there was a Maidan because of the "falsification" of elections by the "dictator" Voronin, with sacred sacrifices, the defeat and burning of the center of the capital by youth, was

            I am pleased to state that in this case you are absolutely right.
            Moreover, I believe that the author is deliberately deceiving, because the program of the Belarusian oppositionists is well known to all people interested in politics.
            The situation in Belarus as a result of the victory of the Maidan people will be much worse than in Moldova.
            Nobody argues that Lukashenka made many mistakes (and in general is far from being an angel), but supporting the Maidan is a path to complete disaster. And for Belarus and for Russia.
      3. mdsr
        mdsr 14 August 2020 07: 46 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        "Debriefing" in Minsk is just beginning. But everything will settle down, boo

        I wrote about this even before the elections, and then after them, for which I received hundreds of minuses from those who actually had no idea about the real state of affairs in Belarus. Now their eyes were opened, they saw. What does this mean? That the brains of our people are very strongly programmed by the propaganda machine. Therefore, their perception of the environment is absolutely inadequate. How much mud they poured on the Khabarovsk residents ... And the Khabarovsk residents are great. And the Belarusians are great. And we, the rest of the Russians, need to learn from the Belarusians and Khabarovsk citizens how to defend our rights before these usurpers and dictators.
        1. boni592807
          boni592807 14 August 2020 14: 45 New
          +5
          mdsr (mdsr) Today 07:46 AM NEW
          "... And we, the rest of the Russians, need to learn from the Belarusians and Khabarovsk citizens how to defend our rights before these usurpers and dictators." wassat

          How do you- mdsr (mdsr) are "right"! bully
          Tomorrow we are going to the Russian Federation on the Anglic language. Let all those who do not speak it for unpaid work and let them dig dugouts!
          Let us turn Russia mdsr (mdsr) into an advanced OURANDRAIN, we will sell everything that is not privatized from land to air, and "Shvaboda", which has not been finally reached into the "saints" of the 90s, will stir up. Yes !!!
          fellow
        2. Maverick78
          Maverick78 15 August 2020 17: 45 New
          +3
          Of course, I don't know how it is in Khabarovsk and Belarus, but I know from personal experience what this led to in Ukraine. And to be honest, I strongly doubt that it will be very different here. And yes ... what Roman wrote about Ukraine is also not entirely true ... both about May 9 and about the Russian language ...
      4. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 14 August 2020 10: 13 New
        +8
        In general, this trend is as follows: went against the government - paid for by an external enemy. And nothing else. What's in Russia, what's in Belarus. Fashion is like that.

        And what went after the oligarch, then well done ?! Roman has excellent logic. ALL protests are ALWAYS paid for by someone. Do you have doubts? Well, except that with severe hunger people self-organize, I guess. Roman clearly wrote the biased article, without even disguising himself. Good luck in the propaganda business.
      5. skullcap
        skullcap 15 August 2020 20: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        But everything will settle down, be sure. Respect to Roman!

        I would very much like to. But on vacation in Greece, I met a Belarusian who argued to me ardently and persistently that Belarusians are not Belarusians, but Lithuanians. We Russians defeated them and stole their history. But the time will come and the Lithuanians will return everything to its place.
        I was amazed, but later I found out that he was not the only one - I have two comrades living in Belarus.
        Therefore, I think that Markov understands the current situation better, and Mr. Skomorokhov is either just promoting himself or making money on the topic.
      6. zenion
        zenion 17 August 2020 16: 51 New
        0
        The author of this article is reminiscent of Rabbi Braverman in a Jewish town. I know the Germans, I was captured by them in the First World War, they are all cultured people. They were also "lucky" that this part of Ukraine was occupied by the Romanians, the so-called Transnistria. But then the Romanians rushed to leave when the Red Army was close, and the Germans replaced them. Then Braverman yelled - these are not the Germans, those Germans were replaced. They took everyone to Peschanka, to the quarry and sprinkled everyone with explosions.
    2. Region68
      Region68 14 August 2020 06: 49 New
      -6
      And where in this fragment, what did you bring about SUPPORT for protesters?
      1. svp67
        svp67 14 August 2020 06: 59 New
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        Quote: Region68
        And where in this fragment, what did you bring about SUPPORT for protesters?

        Sorry, but these actions are ALREADY support, and the words ... and they were uttered there
        “We, the ambassadors of the EU countries, and I, as the head of the EU Delegation, grieve over the deaths that have already taken place in Belarus. We came here to express our solidarity with the victims of the violence we see in different cities of your country. We call on the Belarusian authorities to allow people to exercise their right to peaceful protest. We call for the release of all those who were illegally detained, "said Dirik Schuebel, head of the EU Delegation to Belarus, at the rally.
    3. mdsr
      mdsr 14 August 2020 06: 57 New
      -2
      Quote: svp67
      And how to treat this: The ambassadors of the EU countries laid a wreath and flowers at the place of death of a protester in Belarus and SUPPORTED the protesters ..

      And the Russian ambassador had to do it. The Russian Foreign Ministry was supposed to demand an end to police lawlessness and violence against people. What kind of brother is this who wants you to live in a concentration camp, without basic human rights? What this senile Adolf Lushak is doing to people after the elections with the tacit consent of Russia is a medieval caveman horror. After all this, his 13% rating went negative. Even many police officers write statements.
      Once again, I express my gratitude to Roman for an objective, competent article.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 14 August 2020 09: 42 New
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        Quote: mdsr
        And the Russian ambassador had to do it. The Russian Foreign Ministry was supposed to demand an end to police lawlessness and violence against people

        Our government has lost the ability to educate itself. The same mistakes over and over again. They support the obviously losing candidate, because of this, Russia receives negative feedback from the protesting people and a logical turn to the west.
        1. AK1972
          AK1972 14 August 2020 11: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: Grazdanin
          Our government has lost the ability to educate itself.

          Your truth. Also, the authorities have lost the instinct for self-preservation. We are always frightened by the Ukrainian scenario and continue to engage in falsification of elections at all levels, "voting" on the Constitution. If the authorities do not draw conclusions from the Belarusian and Khabarovsk events, they will get the Maidan, and not the Washington regional committee will be to blame for this, but the authorities themselves. People do not want revolution, but they also do not like when they are held for suckers. A spark is enough to ignite a serious fire, and there is no doubt that our "partners" will take advantage of this fire.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 14 August 2020 11: 51 New
            +5
            The worst thing is that in Russia the consequences of protests can be dire. Until the collapse of the country. Separatism is already being heard not only from the nat. republics from the regions of Siberia and the Far East. Problems are not solved, they just hide. As if if they are not on TV, they are not in reality.
          2. Region68
            Region68 14 August 2020 19: 14 New
            +2
            Maidan Victory .. I'm reading comments about how people here drown for anyone who is sitting on the throne now ..
            And we will not have such a beautiful picture as in Belarus ... and we will have blood ... brother to brother ..
        2. your1970
          your1970 15 August 2020 12: 28 New
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          Quote: Grazdanin
          They support the obviously losing candidate, because of this, Russia receives negative feedback from the protesting people and a logical turn to the west.

          What's the point of supporting a winning candidate? Our partners will invest a lot of money in it and it will certainly be Russophobic. And if it is purely our candidate, he will be brought down at an accelerated pace. ... ... ... ...
      2. Ramon Merkader
        Ramon Merkader 14 August 2020 15: 35 New
        -4
        "medieval cave horror" - onizhedeti, or another "officer's daughter"?
      3. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 15 August 2020 08: 25 New
        -1
        Quote: mdsr
        The Russian Foreign Ministry was supposed to demand an end to police lawlessness and violence against people.

        No, they had to remind about the courage and wisdom of Deng Xiaoping, who took upon himself a heavy burden of responsibility and decided to roll out the confusion in tanks in 1989. Now China is becoming great, also thanks to this hard-won decision!
        1. gsev
          gsev 16 August 2020 03: 44 New
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          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          who decided to roll out turmoil in tanks in 1989.

          In addition, when the peasants of a Chinese village divided the collective farm land between their families and declared that such an order would be defended to death, but pledged to pay all taxes to the state and not ask the state for any help, he ordered the troublemakers to be left alone, philosophically remarking, "no matter what color the cat is. , if only she could catch mice for us. "
      4. Maverick78
        Maverick78 15 August 2020 17: 49 New
        0
        You haven’t seen medieval cave horror yet ... come to visit Ukraine ... I will introduce you to people who can tell and show
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 14 August 2020 07: 33 New
      +6
      Roman, isn't it time to look at the world with wide eyes? An example of uk-roina is not enough for you? Markov is right in many ways, first of all, they will do everything inappropriate to strangle Russia! In Uk-Roin and Belarus, they tested the method of dividing one nation into three different "formations", and each nation is now a potential victim of the anti-Slavic bloc led by the Anglo-Saxons. So, the encirclement of the Russian lands by NATO and the United States will actively continue ...
    5. snucerist
      snucerist 14 August 2020 09: 52 New
      -9
      There should be no emphasis on the language issue. This is a difficult question.
      Yes, Ukraine has made Ukrainian the state language. And how should he be there? If the state is called "Ukraine"?
      For some reason in England the state language is English. In France, French. In Germany, German.
      In Russia, Russian. This is normal. Since 80% of the country's inhabitants are Russians. Therefore, the state language in Russia is Russian, and not Tatar, Bashkir, Chuvash or Chechen.
      As for Ukraine, according to official data, 77,8% of Ukrainians live there and only 17,3% of Russians. So on what basis should Russian be the state language there?
      In everyday life, there are no restrictions at all. Odessa, Dnipro, Zaporozhye, Krivoy Rog, Nikolaev - today are absolutely Russian-speaking cities. Even in Kiev, as far as I know, the Russian language predominates. Nobody pulls anyone into jail for her.
      As for schools, yes, there will be a gradual transition. 80% of subjects will be taught in Ukrainian. Russian will be studied from 1 to 4 grades, then - on electives and extracurricular learning.
      I repeat: language is a difficult question. By the way, this is how else to look. Who is infringing upon whom is also a question. If 125 state and 43 private Russian-language schools function on Ukrainian territory today, then I have not heard of a single Ukrainian-language school in Russia, while Ukrainians in the census of Russia are in the top three with Russians.
      And everything is far-fetched by and large. With the departure of Poroshenko, the national hysteria subsides, it seems that the language issue will be gradually resolved.
      With regard to the behavior of the ambassadors of the EU countries - what surprises you? The ambassadors expressed condolences to the deceased person, showed sympathy, normal human feelings. Is it forbidden? What were they supposed to do? Dance on the bones? Shake hands with Lukashenka for plunging the country into a crisis, as a result of which people have already begun to die?
      Or are there already EU ichnets in Belarus, and the EU can be accused of interfering in the country's internal affairs? So it seems that the dad is under arrest while keeping citizens of a completely different country.
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 14 August 2020 17: 22 New
        +3
        And the fact that all the former countries of the British Empire, Spain and Portugal do not invent their languages ​​in Canada, the USA, Australia, Brazil (almost a billion speak Portuguese) and Mexico, have you ever thought of their languages? but for some reason, the fragments of the Russian empire invent each of their own languages, probably so that later eventually come what is needed general English =))
      2. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 14 August 2020 22: 25 New
        +3
        As for the so-called "Ukrainian language" - this is a language education artificially created on the basis of the local dialect of the poorly educated Seluk, part of the anti-Russian project of the Austro-Hungarian secret police. So there is no "Ukrainian" language! ALL scientific literature in the Ukrainian language is IN RUSSIAN, because the vocabulary of the so-called "Ukrainian" language does not exceed 2000 words! Just enough to discuss how Ganna Mykoly gave Andria to the villagers, and nothing more! Even the "singer of Ukraine", Taras Grigorievich Shevchenko considered himself RUSSIAN, and wrote in RUSSIAN! And we do not need to rub in here about the absence of Ukrainian schools - why should they be on the territory of Russia? And about the so-called "protests" I will say THAT: Well done Chinese, that they rolled into dust with tanks all this liberoid rascal on Tiananmen! We saved the country! As a result, China did not sink into the abyss of chaos, but became the FIRST, in terms of economic power, country! They did not miss the moment, did not wait for the crowds of people, but liquidated the INJECTORS! and Yanukovych is a scoundrel and a weakling! as a result of his weakness, hundreds of thousands died, and continue to die to this day. the country has been plunged into the abyss of civil war and chaos, plundered and ruined, and is under colonial rule. I hope Lukashenka will have the courage to crush all this trash that has come in large numbers from Poland, Lithuania, Holland, Belgium, the United States, Ukraine, and even our liberoids (from Navalny and Khodorkovsky). it would be nice to "clean up"! And God forbid anyone from this liberoid shaluponi to catch my eye - I will destroy it (the skills of an officer, albeit a reserve, remain). And if they try to do something like that here, in Russia, I will blow my head off without hesitation! Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky described the liberals very well at one time (but very relevant now). If everything is summed up in three words - then "liberal - that is, a traitor." There is no other way! And by this - the earth should burn under the feet of Navalny, Khodorkovsky and others like them! And it should be the same in Belarus! I VERY hope that the President of the Republic of Belarus will have enough courage and strength to rid the country of this infection! Here, as in medicine, there is no place for half measures! If left untreated, there will certainly be a relapse, only with even worse consequences!
        1. iouris
          iouris 15 August 2020 11: 10 New
          -2
          Quote: Igor Aviator
          About the so-called "Ukrainian language"

          There are many Ukrainian and Russian languages. These are mother tongues. Industrialization, the cultural revolution carried out in the USSR, the development of the media have made enormous changes in the social structure of the population and the way of life. People left the villages for the cities. In cities, working in huge industrial enterprises, without exception, passing military service in the armed forces on the vast territory of the USSR and abroad, coming into contact with people born in different parts of the country, receiving free education, many people literally from infancy, instead of mother languages, mastered the state language. After the dissolution of the USSR in the "free countries" the disintegration of industry, the education system, and the social structure of society begins. The place of the state language of the USSR is first taken by local "surzhiks": speech for "communication", littered with youth slang words and North American terms.
          The disintegration of the USSR and everything else ends with the creation of the anti-state NovoYaz, in which "Svidomites" are obliged to speak. Incidentally, this is nothing new. It is hypothesized that Shakespeare's English is an artificial language introduced by the Venetian oligarchy to complete the capture of England after the Ottoman Empire drove the Venetians and Genoese out of the Mediterranean.
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 14 August 2020 23: 43 New
        0
        In the Russian Federation, 100% of citizens are Russians, of which 80% are Russian.
        1. iouris
          iouris 15 August 2020 11: 12 New
          0
          "The Chinese live in China and the emperor is also Chinese." Interesting?
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 15 August 2020 17: 29 New
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            Actually, you have to look at whose comment I answered. It says that 80% of Russians live in Russia. Although, maybe this Snooker player is Ukrainian. In Ukraine, ethnic Russians (Great Russians) are constantly called the Russians, and the Russian language is called the Russian language.
      4. Maverick78
        Maverick78 15 August 2020 17: 58 New
        +5
        I am the most that neither is the native Ukrainian ... more title still need to look. My ancestors called themselves Russians, Maloros. The Russian language is native to this land. In Russian-speaking Kremenchug, there is NOT ANY school with Russian as the language of instruction, and as a subject it is present in a maximum of a third. And yes ... if I understood you correctly, then in Belgium the state language is Belgian, in Switzerland - Swiss, and in Canada - Canadian?
      5. 72jora72
        72jora72 18 August 2020 19: 41 New
        +2
        I haven't heard of a single Ukrainian-language school in Russia, while Ukrainians in the Russian census are in the top three with Russians.
        You probably don't know, but there have been many attempts in various regions to create Ukrainian (in Ukrainian) schools, at least at the level of an elementary school. But alas and ah, all attempts failed, in some schools not even 1 (one) child was recruited. And you know why, but because normal Ukrainians who have decided to link their lives with Russia do not want to stain the heads of their children with Rogulskaya.
        Pi Xi. Until 90 years in Lviv, it was too hard for us city boys to speak Rogul.
    6. iouris
      iouris 14 August 2020 11: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      EU ambassadors laid wreath and flowers at protester's death site

      These were to be put on the asphalt with their muzzles.
    7. exalibor
      exalibor 16 August 2020 07: 13 New
      -1
      Quote: svp67
      The ambassadors of the EU countries laid a wreath and flowers at the place of death of a protester in Belarus and SUPPORTED the protesters ...
      Isn't this interference in internal affairs?

      why did the Russian ambassador not lay flowers on dozens of people who died in hospitals after talking with the riot police? why did he not say anything when the beaten and tortured people with broken arms and beaten up to I can’t began to release them from the pre-trial detention center and the police department? where is he, where is V.V. Putin? We are one people ... why doesn't he defend his own? No, he does not support the president elected by the people ... but a dictator and a sadist ...
    8. Russian Central Asian
      Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 19: 10 New
      0
      very similarly, we are witnessing the same thing that we observed in Kiev in 14, a sort of second series, and apparently everything with the same ending.
  2. Comrade
    Comrade 14 August 2020 05: 18 New
    15
    Many monuments to the soldiers of the Soviet Army during the Great Patriotic War will be demolished. As in Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia.

    Again indiscriminate spitting at Belarusians. Catch. I will not comment

    And no need.
    We are just looking at the bust of V. I. Chapaev, which was "decommunized" in Gomel.

    In Ukraine, Poroshenko "decommunized" Chapaev in the Donetsk region four years ago.


    There were monuments, and now they are not.
    There is no doubt that Chapaev is a hero of the civil war, not of the Great Patriotic War, but the trouble has begun.
    1. tatarin1972
      tatarin1972 15 August 2020 09: 55 New
      +3
      You probably forgot that Chapaev is still a hero of the First World War. Three St. George crosses and St. George medal.
  3. Asad
    Asad 14 August 2020 05: 19 New
    -2
    I support the author, how much I watched Mr. Markov on numerous television shows, doubts creep in about his adequacy! And with Belarus, what kind of Poland !? Well, stop looking at the opinion of the West! They could not provide and defend a candidate from Russia if necessary. Only wring your hands in crying as with Ukraine.
    1. Russian Central Asian
      Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 19: 13 New
      0
      operation. "Cormorant% 2, Rise of the Machines". Or, speaking in Russian, with the same end and in the same place, the gapak is still on the same rake.
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 14 August 2020 05: 23 New
    +3
    Belarus. What will happen if the opposition topples Lukashenka?

    The Belarusians themselves must answer this question. By and large, we do not even know the programs of the opposition, we do not know what they want. If their goal is the systematic separation and destruction of the Slavs, then:
  5. Deniska999
    Deniska999 14 August 2020 05: 28 New
    -8
    Lukashenka has already begun to fulfill the demands of the protesters to release all the detainees.
    1. Mastrer
      Mastrer 14 August 2020 08: 09 New
      -2
      Ha, ha and again ha. Only he forgot to give instructions so that new ones would not be imprisoned ...
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 14 August 2020 09: 43 New
        -4
        I have not forgotten, they no longer plant. Lukashenko has been written off.
  6. passerby
    passerby 14 August 2020 05: 33 New
    +7
    One thing surprises me, if everyone understands that Lukashenka has long been inadequate, then why should Russia support him? It would be understandable if he listened to what they say to him from Moscow, but he does not listen. He was told that it would be better for him not to go to the polls, but to quietly retire, and instead he began to mold from Russia the image of an enemy, demanding more economic preferences, while doing nothing to deepen integration and create a common state. By supporting such a person, Russia only loses its credibility in the eyes of Belarusians, while any alternative candidate in this case automatically becomes pro-Western, since Russia supports Lukashenka and it is only possible to rely on the West in opposition to him. We are driving ourselves into a corner once again.
    1. Region68
      Region68 14 August 2020 06: 45 New
      +2
      Well, then everything is simple ... If Lukashenka becomes an outcast in the West, it will be easy for Moscow to twist ropes out of him.
      He will have to sell Belarus to Putin.
      Only here it will turn out as with Ukraine., Our government again tries on a rake ..
      Dreaming that they are great geostrategists, they will lose the people of Belarus ..
      1. gsev
        gsev 16 August 2020 04: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Region68
        .If Lukashenka becomes an outcast in the West, it will be easy for Moscow to twist ropes out of him.

        Lukashenko showed that while he was president of Belarus, this country did not undertake any diplomatic or military action to support Russia's interests either in Ukraine, or in Ossetia, or in Syria, or in Venezuela. Even Hamid Karzai said on behalf of his country that "We respect the decision of the Crimean people, which he took in the recent referendum, recognizing Crimea as part of the Russian Federation."

        Original news InoTV:
        https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2014-03-24/Afganistan-priznal-Krim-chastyu-Rossii

        Although Russia, after the overthrow of the Taliban in Afghanistan, gave preference not to the Pashtuns, but to the Tajiks.
        And Russians in Afghanistan did not seem to be imprisoned, as Lukashenka did on a tip from the SBU, although Russian representatives openly acted on the side of Karzai and Ghani's rivals.
    2. AUL
      AUL 14 August 2020 07: 14 New
      -2
      Quote: bystander
      One thing surprises me, if everyone understands that Lukashenka has long been inadequate, then why should Russia support him?

      The Kremlin is not Russia yet! And the Kremlin supports Luka out of corporate solidarity.
      1. Kisa
        Kisa 14 August 2020 07: 53 New
        +4
        oh, okay - for 3 days here on VO, after the elections, the cockroach was supported by two-thirds of the members of the forum and approved excessive cruelty and violence so that the country would not run to the west to wash the pots - hope and support. right now, they started to change their shoes again - just like two weeks ago when the militants became heroes
    3. gsev
      gsev 16 August 2020 03: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: bystander
      One thing surprises me, if everyone understands that Lukashenka has long been inadequate, then why should Russia support him?

      In 1991, the new government was afraid of the communist restoration and apparently agreed not to support the opposition forces in neighboring countries. Slowly the Russian leadership realized that it was necessary to work and maintain contacts with various opposition forces. Although even in Russia, Putin primarily spreads rot on the communists, conniving at the persecution of the most loyal candidate to him in the last presidential election, Grudinin. But Grudinin knew that he would not pass in the elections and was only playing along with the announcement of the last presidential elections as legitimate by his participation.
  7. technoex
    technoex 14 August 2020 05: 36 New
    14
    The biggest mistake is in the title of the article. WHAT Opposition ?????? Individual people who are not at all significant in society, I repeat individual people, without parties and whom the people recognized only after being nominated as candidates. So any candidate can be called the opposition. You are laughing - a housewife who fries delicious cutlets, opposition. ????? And very strong, as never before, protest sentiments, Note, no slogans like forward to the West, Russia was not to blame for everything a priori. Lukashenka’s political strategists should be thanked, and by the way, they are half to blame. Protest moods overshadowed the mind and the people walked like a bull on a red rag for any candidate. They would imprison Tikhanovskaya, vote for Dmitriev, Cherechnya, maybe not in such volumes. Here they are not yet killing Russia, they are not going to head bases to NATO and the EU, the example of Ukraine is nearby. Here Lukashenka is still in power and may remain. Here, they are still demanding justice in the counting of votes and demanding to stop the violence. ALL!!!!! What will happen next - only God knows. PiSi. If trendy, call it a color revolution.
    1. svp67
      svp67 14 August 2020 06: 27 New
      +9
      Quote: technoex
      Rossi is not being gagged here now

      Rodnya notes that the amount of negativity towards Russia on the STATE television channels has increased and is growing constantly ...
      I cannot confirm, I myself have not seen or heard, but I believe my relatives, they live there.
      And do not forget that military exercises are being held in Belarus and the army there is now deployed as a front against Russia ...
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 15 August 2020 17: 40 New
        +1
        We always have a couple of official Belarusian channels on cable TV in most regions of Central Russia.
        1. svp67
          svp67 15 August 2020 17: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Sergej1972
          We always have a couple of official Belarusian channels on cable TV in most regions of Central Russia.

          But in the Urals only through net ...
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 15 August 2020 19: 06 New
            0
            And it's not a problem, look on the Internet. I occasionally watch Serbian and Bulgarian channels on the internet.
    2. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 14 August 2020 07: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: technoex
      Here, they are still demanding justice in the counting of votes and demanding to stop the violence. ALL!!!!!

      It has been written here more than once that Russia does not nominate or support pro-Russian candidates, Lukashenka cleaned everything up and declared himself the only such candidate, although in fact he has not been such a candidate for a long time, the Kremlin saw it and did nothing, it was long ago to create at least a pro-Russian movement , better a party with a well-known leader, Western countries have been working this way for a long time, including in Belarus, Russia continues to rely on all sorts of Yanukovychs, Sargsyans ... who then scurry to Rostov. It is necessary to work harder, and not to talk, as Markov is yap.
      1. mdsr
        mdsr 14 August 2020 08: 49 New
        +5
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        It has been written here more than once that Russia does not nominate or support pro-Russian candidates.

        This is what we are talking about. The Kremlin's foreign policy strategy is initially a failure. They were silently allowed to imprison candidate Babariko and prevent candidate Valery Tsepkalo from entering the prison. Why, long before the elections, did the Foreign Ministry not issue a harsh statement about the inadmissibility of election fraud and arrests of the opposition? Why did not Russia lead the protest movement knowing that the rating of the agrofuehrer is nowhere lower? I wrote about the need for this back in the spring. He wrote that otherwise, Russia would again be the loser.
        1. Icarus
          Icarus 14 August 2020 13: 04 New
          +3
          Why, long before the elections, the Foreign Ministry did not issue a harsh statement about the inadmissibility of election fraud and arrests of the opposition? Why did Russia not lead the protest movement knowing that the rating of the agrofuehrer is nowhere lower?

          Mdsr, isn't it clear why ?. Yes, because our government acts in almost the same way with regard to fraudulent voting. Does the thief shout: "Stop the thief"? As for "leading a protest movement" - this means openly interfering in the politics of another state. This is stupid. And there was no one to fit in there.
    3. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 14 August 2020 23: 00 New
      +1
      Are you laughing? Stop without violence the process of liquidation of Belarus, as a state, controlled from outside? Launched and hosted by the States, Europe, and the UK (essentially NATO)? Only harsh, I would say, BRUTAL, FORCE suppression !! "Cut, to hell, without waiting for peritonitis!" (c) It would still be very correct But father to raise the outposts on the western border, and the Army too, to raise "into the gun" so that the "loving" western "neighbors" do not have the temptation, and declare the ambassadors who took part in the action on the square persons "non grata" for interfering in the internal affairs of Belarus, so that it was discouraging! Anti-state crimes should be punished VERY CRUELY, much tougher than crimes against the person! And what is happening now in Belarus is organized riots under democratic slogans, the goal is the collapse of the country (samples - Ukraine, Libya, Iraq - not enough?) That is, an anti-state crime, the consequences of which are the death of thousands of people, the collapse of the economy, chaos, hopelessness ...
    4. Russian Central Asian
      Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 19: 25 New
      0
      And don't worry, as soon as Luka is thrown off, they will immediately be asked to join the EU and NATO. Those Western guys, in contrast to our chewers of secretions from the nasal sinuses, know how, apart from sawing the dough, they also know how to do their job and carry out their tasks.
  8. apro
    apro 14 August 2020 05: 48 New
    -3
    Why does Russia need Belarus? This question remains unanswered ... after being defeated in the Cold War, Russia lost not only its territory, but also a distinct goal-setting ... replacing everything looted, the cult of personal enrichment, and nothing positive can offer lost territories and connections with this eternal throwing, then trade wars, then the union state, then discounts, or world prices, or seizure of property, or a joint strategy ...
    Russia Belorussiya.Ukraina one people one state.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 14 August 2020 06: 31 New
      +7
      Are you generally a citizen of Russia?
      This is what I mean. that the name of the fatherland, which has existed for many hundreds of years, is written with a small letter.
      Wrong twice (if wrong).
      There have been all sorts of times in Russia.
      But it has always been and is and will be Russia.
      Regardless of what political winds are blowing at the moment.
      1. Momotomba
        Momotomba 14 August 2020 07: 21 New
        +4
        I also noticed the disparaging spelling of the name of our country. But "Belarus" with a big written ... Ugly
      2. Icarus
        Icarus 14 August 2020 13: 30 New
        +4
        Oh is not wrong. This Oleg Frolov intentionally writes Russia with a lowercase letter. About which he had previously given cheap explanations. Just an open Russophobe. True, he has now disguised himself with the slogan that Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians are one people (although here he "accidentally" put an end to it after Belarus). However, even Ukrainians are not one people.
    2. Russian Central Asian
      Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 19: 26 New
      0
      Rather, the country is one, the people are one, but the states, unfortunately, are different.
  9. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 14 August 2020 05: 50 New
    +8
    So the question. What did those people who voted for Ms Tikhanovskaya want? No, the point is not that they wanted "freedom", because it is not very clear what it is. For example, people on the Maidan also wanted "freedom", but as a result they got a drop in the standard of living. Moreover, they explained it to them, but they did not want to believe. Why?

    But because they were told that if they reorient themselves to the European Union ("Ukraine - tse Europe"), then, firstly, they will get more, and, secondly, they will get rid of corruption. They decided to check - and as a result, they lost the income that they received from sales to Russia and did not receive anything from the EU. And, if you do not count the growth of corruption. And it turns out, as a result, that they actually voted for lower living standards and destruction of the economy of their own country. Well, and for the right of the corrupt elite to kill their citizens with impunity, who may disagree with them.
    1. svp67
      svp67 14 August 2020 06: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Tank jacket
      For example, people on the Maidan also wanted "freedom", but as a result they got a drop in the standard of living.

      The fact of the matter is that not all of them ... The main part - yes, but there are also those who have made a VERY good fortune and profit from it ...
      Quote: Tank jacket
      But because they were told that if they reorient themselves to the European Union ("Ukraine - tse Europe"), then, firstly, they will get more, and, secondly, they will get rid of corruption.

      Well, compare those "promises" with these ...
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 14 August 2020 07: 07 New
        +1
        The promises are sheer populism. Agricultural thriving export industry ... wassat
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 14 August 2020 09: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Tank jacket
          the author passes off many of his desires as reality, both because of the situation in Ukraine and because of Poland's "peacefulness".

          Tikhanovskaya is Zelensky-2! She is lying about the future well-being of her country under the new government, without blushing. At best, she is an idealist, who has absolutely no knowledge of politics, and at worst, she is just a demagogue-deceiver.
          About such American special services say that they are "useful for the USA"

          Correctly, psychologists and sociologists say that very professional PR technologists help Tikhanovskaya to promote herself, who wrap Tikhanovskaya in a wrapper-wrapper tempting for the people!
          1. cmax
            cmax 14 August 2020 20: 28 New
            -1
            Tatyana You at least finished the speech to the end. Now, if people in black came to you for your comment in the evening and took with them I think then Tikhanovskaya's speech would have reached you. The clubs are very helpful in understanding. 7000 people thrown into prisons in 3 days will confirm this to you !!!
          2. Maverick78
            Maverick78 15 August 2020 18: 06 New
            0
            The trouble is that a naive idealist is much worse than a traitor.
    2. Region68
      Region68 14 August 2020 06: 58 New
      -4
      <<< For example, people on the Maidan also wanted "freedom", but as a result they got a drop in the standard of living. >>>>
      First, we helped them in this ..
      Secondly, google ..
      Ukrainians now have salaries higher than before the coup if you look at it in $ ..
      And compare with us ..
      1. svp67
        svp67 14 August 2020 07: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: Region68
        Ukrainians now have salaries higher than before the coup if you look at it in $ ..
        And compare with us ..

        In November 2019, the average accrued wages in Ukraine amounted to UAH 10679, which at the ₴ / $ rate at the end of the month is equivalent to $ 446, thereby exceeding the previous historical maximum, which was before the Maidan, in December 2013. It is obvious that next month, in December 2019, based on the traditional seasonal dynamics, this new record will also be exceeded. In Belarus, the average accrued wages in November 2019 amounted to Br1113, which is in dollars at the exchange rate at the end of the month - $ 528 - 15,6% less than the historically record, which was recorded in Belarus in July 2014. But this is noticeably higher than in Ukraine. The dollar amount of salaries in Ukraine exceeded the “pre-established” values, having risen several times in almost 4 years from the crisis minimum (it was in February 2015), when the salaries in the $ -equivalent collapsed to the 2005 level.

        In Russia
        2013 - 915
        2014 - 828,5
        2015 - 551
        2016 - 605
        2017 - 620
        2018 - 637,7
        2019-639

        Well, so what?
        1. Region68
          Region68 14 August 2020 07: 17 New
          -1
          Well, that's it ... they have an increase in the standard of living, and we have a drop by a third count
          1. svp67
            svp67 14 August 2020 07: 24 New
            +6
            Quote: Region68
            Well, that's it ... they have an increase in the standard of living, and we have a drop by a third count

            And you do not compare the levels of rise and fall ... Yes, and in dollars this is of course an indicator, but there is such a comparison ... Here are the latest data on how many liters of AI-95 gasoline a person can buy with his AVERAGE salary in different countries of the world
            In Ukraine - 347 liters of gasoline.
            In Russia - 844 liters.
            There is such a concept as a price level. And along with the rise in the level of the average wage in Ukraine, prices have grown STRONGLY, very much, including for products that were previously cheaper than in Russia, they actually became equal, and some became more expensive.
            Although alcohol is certainly cheaper, and much more ... like cigarettes
            1. Region68
              Region68 14 August 2020 07: 56 New
              -3
              Then, for the purity of the experiment, let's at the same time see how much gasoline residents of the Russian Federation and Ukraine could buy in 2013 for a salary
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 14 August 2020 12: 31 New
                0
                10k hryvnia is the average salary ??? 5-7 medium
            2. Region68
              Region68 14 August 2020 08: 00 New
              -4
              So I found that in 2013 a Ukrainian could buy 290 liters of gasoline for his salary ..
              Again, they get a better standard of living ..
              And we have?
              1. svp67
                svp67 14 August 2020 08: 06 New
                +5
                Quote: Region68
                And we have?

                For November 2013, Ukraine and Romania (283 liters). Russia - 715 liters
                1. Region68
                  Region68 14 August 2020 08: 08 New
                  -5
                  Something is not enough in Russia ..
                  In 2013 the salary, if my memory serves me, was 28-29 thousand ..
                  And gasoline somewhere 28-30
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 14 August 2020 08: 14 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Region68
                    Something is not enough in Russia ..
                    In 2013 the salary, if my memory serves me, was 28-29 thousand ..
                    And gasoline somewhere 28-30

                    Both ratings were made by Za Rulem experts, there is an archive, you can watch it.
                    And in Ukraine, they buy little gasoline, they drive more on gas, although diesel fuel is consumed, of course, and now many cheap electric vehicles have appeared ... Well, with their distances and year-round temperatures, this transport generally went into the topic
                2. Region68
                  Region68 14 August 2020 08: 17 New
                  -6
                  But even if it turns out that they still didn't lose too much ..
                  It is clear that in comparison with RUSSIA, their gasoline is more expensive .. But this was the case before ..
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 14 August 2020 08: 27 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Region68
                    But even if it turns out that they still didn't lose too much ..

                    Given the loss of population and territory ... I don't think so
                    1. Region68
                      Region68 14 August 2020 08: 49 New
                      -7
                      Let's not talk about the loss of territories, okay?
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 14 August 2020 09: 11 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Region68
                        Let's not talk about the loss of territories, okay?

                        And the population?
                      2. Region68
                        Region68 14 August 2020 09: 21 New
                        -6
                        Googled ..
                        42 million for 19
                      3. svp67
                        svp67 14 August 2020 09: 45 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Region68
                        42 million for 19

                        Don't be ridiculous ... These are their desires, where they and Crimea, and Donbass, and all "earned" there are considered ...
                      4. Region68
                        Region68 14 August 2020 09: 55 New
                        -3
                        I'm not funny .. I wrote that I googled ..
                      5. Nastia makarova
                        Nastia makarova 14 August 2020 12: 30 New
                        +2
                        The census was not carried out for 20 years, but 23 million were counted according to the consumption of bread
                      6. Region68
                        Region68 14 August 2020 13: 16 New
                        -3
                        According to the consumption of bread, we also have 80 million
                      7. Nastia makarova
                        Nastia makarova 14 August 2020 13: 31 New
                        -1
                        what 80. it is said that 23 living, and of course more according to passports
                      8. Region68
                        Region68 14 August 2020 14: 17 New
                        -3
                        In russia I say ... if by bread consumption and not by passports
              2. Region68
                Region68 14 August 2020 09: 57 New
                -5
                Dry numbers, like salaries and liters of gasoline ..
                By the way, without Crimea
              3. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 14 August 2020 13: 32 New
                -1
                salary is 2-3 times lower than in Russia
              4. Region68
                Region68 14 August 2020 14: 17 New
                -3
                As before..
        2. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 14 August 2020 12: 29 New
          -1
          23 million total))))
  • Avior
    Avior 14 August 2020 10: 26 New
    -2
    comparing the price of gasoline with an oil-producing country does not seem objective.
    As in general, average salaries are compared by themselves. And it turns out that 17 thousand rubles is the middle class.
    It is more logical to compare, together with the salary, the spread of salaries, both by region and by population.
    For example, the minimum wage and the average, so that it is clear how the "average" salary is really average.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 14 August 2020 10: 52 New
    +1
    you can see it, a salary of 640 bucks, and in Smolensk, in the vast majority, such a salary is a dream
    1. Russian Central Asian
      Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 19: 34 New
      0
      In Smolensk 250-300 Baku residents are considered a very good salary.
  • Maverick78
    Maverick78 15 August 2020 18: 08 New
    0
    Tell this anecdote in Ukraine) the number of jobs with good wages has greatly decreased.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 14 August 2020 05: 58 New
    +5
    “I wonder where the Belarusian enterprises, 100% built during the Soviet era, will suddenly have Polish owners?”
    ------
    It's simple, raiding or privatization or refusal to refinance.
    1. svp67
      svp67 14 August 2020 07: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Tank jacket
      It's simple, raiding or privatization or refusal to refinance.

      Privatization ... just a PRIVATIZATION
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 14 August 2020 10: 16 New
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Tank jacket
        It's simple, raiding or privatization or refusal to refinance.

        Privatization ... just a PRIVATIZATION

        And + restitution - the return by the Belarusians to the former Polish owners of their former master's possessions.
  • Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 14 August 2020 06: 17 New
    18
    Author, Roman Skomorokhov!
    I, like you, are extremely concerned about the events in Belarus.
    My friends live in this republic, one of whom is my classmate, my best childhood friend.
    I don’t need to tell and explain that Belarusians are brotherly, dear to us people, passionately loving the Motherland. Honoring our common history. He served with them. He fought.
    You are analyzing the theses of Sergei Markov regarding the situation in Belarus. Demand proof. Make assumptions about the future of the republic. What for?
    We are not at trial or in a seance.
    I agree with some of Markov's arguments, with some - no, so what? Markov has always been a funny figure for me. A sort of Vanya-gingerbread in a vest. Wearing a mask and gloves. In colorful ties and populist speeches. And then - as many as 19 theses gave birth. Wai-wai, well done! Almost - Lenin ...
    It is likely that some of his maxims may come true. Something will never happen. But to discuss here his rantings in all seriousness ...
    It is much more important to discuss our steps towards the republic. To Belarusians.
    In my opinion, Belarus should have held not presidential elections, but referendum on reunification with Russia.
    It's time to put the fact of our being in a single union state into practice!
    Do not engage in chatter on TV channels, but really reunite!
    Single currency, army, government agencies. One constitution. One future.
    And by the way, I'm not saying that this is an accession! Let it be exactly - reunion... Full rights on both sides.
    We also have a lot to learn from the Syabras! Press the oligarchs to the nail. To do the social sphere. Payments for housing and communal services to lower. To clean up the streets in cities. Not only in Moscow ... How to raise agriculture with them - not in statistics and reports, but in the fields and in the bins.
    Now time is working against us. The republic is in a fever. She may well be torn apart. The fact that Lukashenka will continue to control the situation is far from a fact. Bronzed. Concreted with a seat. Torn away from the people. I started playing.
    So if the irreparable begins, it will be impossible to hesitate. Up to the introduction of our troops and the establishment of law and order through joint efforts. Thank God, at least Belarus is not oversaturated with weapons!
    We have no right to lose Belarusians!
    The former Belarus will no longer exist.
    I would like to believe that there will be another. It's better. Closer. Rodney.
    We will be one country!
    That's it!
    1. Deck
      Deck 14 August 2020 06: 40 New
      -11
      We will be one country!


      We will not be one country. After recognition, the victory of Lukashenka by Russia. After reports on state TV, where Belarusians are called "Bandera". After articles like this, Mr. Markov. Where Belarusians are presented as a stupid herd ready to sell the country for foreign money. Belarusians have a good memory.
    2. saigon
      saigon 14 August 2020 06: 54 New
      +1
      Not the fact that we will be one country while Lukashenka is there, oh not a fact.
      Something has become a lot of nasty things on Russia pouring dad there lately.
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 14 August 2020 11: 59 New
      -7
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      In my opinion, Belarus should have held not a presidential election, but a referendum on reunification with Russia.

      And you asked whether the Belarusian elite wants this or not? I think your emotional appeals there are not shared by at least half of the population, judging by how cleverly they have learned to sell us Polish apples and Baltic seafood, playing on our confrontation in counter-sanctions with the West. I think these citizens are unlikely to dream of uniting with Russia - no need to indulge in illusions, they cost us too much with Ukraine.
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      We will be one country!
      That's it!

      I would also like this, but the Belarusians are unlikely to agree to this - the shtetl will not allow them to do this, as it was with the Ukrainians. It's strange that you don't want to see this.
      1. Russian Central Asian
        Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 20: 01 New
        0
        In the situation with Ukraine, it was not our illusions that cost us too much, but the inability of our leadership to take any decisive action, and its firm desire to sit and chew discharge from the sinuses, no matter what happened around. Unfortunately, we must admit that these people are basically incapable of anything other than that.
    4. Russian Central Asian
      Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 19: 55 New
      0
      You know, I generally understand and support you. But let's be honest. In order for all this to come true, fundamental changes must take place in the Russian government itself. And this, as you probably understand, will never happen. In any case, in the next twenty or twenty-five years, while the current zero is in power.
  • Region68
    Region68 14 August 2020 06: 40 New
    -6
    That's why this drunkenness is listened to and broadcast?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 14 August 2020 06: 50 New
    0
    Let's wait and see ... how everything turns out ... The only gratitude to the author for the fully published Markov's forecast, yesterday his forecast for VO was not published in full ... And what is happening in Belarus is a provocation from both sides against their own people ..
    1. depressant
      depressant 14 August 2020 16: 34 New
      +3
      Yes, that's how we live - by the predictions of the Pythias. And all because in both Russia and Belarus the electoral system is absolutely wrong. It does not require debate between presidential candidates. Does not require at the legislative level. Cat after cat in a poke has been chosen for thirty years! And we, and the Belarusians.
      It turns out that instead of assessing a candidate's intentions, his ability to fulfill his promise, which would then allow us to control and evaluate him as a president, if he were elected, when filling out a ballot at a polling station, we assess his past activities, and not what he promised and intends to do in the future.
      For example, on March 18, 2018, Putin was voted for by our approval of 2014. And now he, already chosen, continues to do what he did before. Yes, only what in previous years was convenient for him to do, but was inconvenient for us. He didn't promise us anything! No improvements! It turns out that in 2018 we voted for a convenient past for him, and not for a convenient future for us. And that is why our presidential elections are such that over and over again in the future not the best of our past is being reproduced, becoming an unviable archaic in the realities of a constantly changing world.

      I propose to urgently adopt a law on the compulsory debate between presidential candidates.
      I insist! For only after the adoption of such a law will we be able to demand an explanation of what is happening directly from the head of state, and not listen to the interpretation of what is happening from Markov, Solovyov and many others of the same kind, including Peskov. After all, we cannot ask them for failures in both domestic and foreign policy. They cannot and do not have to promise us anything. They can only explain and guess. In modern realities - on the coffee grounds.
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 14 August 2020 06: 58 New
    +7
    Quote: svp67
    Arguments that one side and the other are far-fetched ...

    Arguments? Arguments? !!
    I am not going to defend or argue with any of Mr. Markov's statements. Markov does not and could not have any arguments in the article. Because theses were discussed. Markov's theses, not his arguments. The thesis really requires arguments in the discussion. But was there really a discussion with Markov? Not.
    The author's only argument against Markov's theses is ... lack of arguments. It is as if someone said after seeing only the theorem that it is not true because he does not see its proof. Bravissimo!
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 14 August 2020 06: 59 New
    +4
    I disagree with either Markov or the author. Belarus came under fire from the interests of opposing corporations posing as political. Lukashenka’s biggest mistake is the belief that without him the country would lose control. His people who were close in spirit had to be trained in advance. Those photos posted from this country are no different from the flash mob on Channel 1. The same faces, the same behavior. Yes, and familiar names flash among them. The systems are different. Luka does not adapt to his corporations. Therefore, they do not have unemployment. And those who need big money come to us.
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 14 August 2020 07: 02 New
    +6
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Belarus. What will happen if the opposition topples Lukashenka?

    The Belarusians themselves must answer this question. By and large, we do not even know the programs of the opposition, we do not know what they want.

    And let's remember what we wanted ... Tyagnibok, Yarosh and Yatsenyuk. Remember who else they are? You will also remember these oppositionists. What they want, where did they come from, where did they go - this is not known to science.
    1. Russian Central Asian
      Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 20: 05 New
      +1
      still the same hopak, all on the same rake
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 14 August 2020 07: 06 New
    +7
    The novel has driven itself into a controversial format. "AntiMarkov" turned out to be flawed. "Bronevichki" with Medvedchuk and Boyko are rather an exception for Ukraine. The Russian language is being aggressively supplanted. Russia in Ukraine for 30 years "vorog" on textbooks. Deindustrialization for Ukraine is quite tangible.
    RB has its parallels with Ukraine. True, no one wears Russian flags, as in Kharkov in 2014. The modern RF is not the USSR, and even more so it is not the Empire. I did not notice that Belarusians perceive the Russian Federation as a successful developing understandable state. Conventionally "pro-Russian" Mr. Babariko looks like a rather caricatured "father of the nation". Shared historical memory goes away along with generations. "Litvinstvo" quite repeats the "Czech Renaissance". For the corporations determining the power in the Russian Federation, it doesn't matter who will be the president of the Republic of Belarus - the intractable Lukashenko or the "technical candidates".

    ps And Mr. Markov at least sometimes plays "patriotic opposition." Against the backdrop of cosmopolitan Russian politics, this is a "white crow".
  • Jolla
    Jolla 14 August 2020 07: 47 New
    +9
    And comrade. Markov has nothing to do with it. He simply drew a parallel between the events in Blorussia and the paths taken by Ukraine and the Baltic countries. But, I would call the author's comments emotional and impulsive. What has it to do with resentment for the people? Ukraine does not officially celebrate Victory Day? It seems not) but did anyone ask the Ukrainians? Also, it seems not. So why the Belarusians will be asked if everything goes according to the Maidan scenario?
    But when “national” customs begin, insult increases inadequately, this is a sure sign of pumping up national uniqueness for isolation, isolation and further collision.
    In Latvia, the majority of the Russian-speaking population is still non-citizens. The passports say Alien. Can you imagine it in a civilized society? Yes, it turns out you can. Why doesn't anyone know about this? Because the information space is the same private property as the land of Latvia now and the inconvenient infa is being cleaned up and ignored. And no one will know about European fascism until you become part of the western family, or rather its sirloin part))
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 August 2020 10: 02 New
      -1
      Doesn't Ukraine officially celebrate Victory Day? It seems not)

      It seems like yes. Celebrated and celebrated, including officially. Official holiday, day off.
      1. Jolla
        Jolla 14 August 2020 10: 51 New
        0
        https://lenta.ru/news/2020/02/29/pobeda/
        Some of us are confusing something?
        There are many different sources
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 August 2020 11: 22 New
          -3
          Yes, someone will refer to Markov that no.
          By the way, your link does not say that May 9 is not a holiday. It is written there so that you get such a false impression. Consciousness manipulation is called. Don't be fooled, Read it again. And the private opinion of this Pristavko, so he was fired after 3 days.

          What's there to be confused? The accounting department knows everything, they pay money.
          https://www.buhoblik.org.ua/kadry-zarplata/vremya/4006-4006-kalendar-na-god.html
          Celebrate both 8 and 9, these are different holidays.
          But the official day off is on the 9th.
          And it has always been.
          And this year May 9 was also celebrated.
          1. Jolla
            Jolla 15 August 2020 10: 57 New
            0
            If you read me carefully, I did not even raise the question of the existence of the holiday itself, the question was about the celebration. At the state level, Soviet symbols are prohibited, as far as I know.
            https://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/prohodit-9-maya-ukraine-glavnoe-1557220619.html
            I do not take 2020 into account because of the coronavirus. 2019 is indicative of the fight against symbols and St. George's ribbons.
            That's what I'm talking about. Nobody asks the people, they just forbid. This is the result of the fascist color coup.
  • maksud13
    maksud13 14 August 2020 08: 03 New
    +6
    Quote: Deniska999
    Lukashenka has already begun to fulfill the demands of the protesters to release all the detainees.

    Lies ... There is a planned release under the obligation not to participate in rallies, they give 10-25 days or a fine ... 116 from Zhodino, from Minsk - about 350-400 per night. This is from 6000 ...
  • Lyapis
    Lyapis 14 August 2020 08: 07 New
    +7
    All comments to "Markov's theses" are reduced to the position "this cannot be simply because it cannot be." And if what Markov wrote about quite fits into the logic of the events taking place (fortunately, they follow a long beaten path, which we have seen more than once), then the author's counterarguments differ directly by some kind of childish splendor. If not to say outright stupidity and surprising reluctance to see the obvious facts. request
  • maksud13
    maksud13 14 August 2020 08: 08 New
    -1
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: technoex
    Rossi is not being gagged here now

    Rodnya notes that the amount of negativity towards Russia on the STATE television channels has increased and is growing constantly ...
    I cannot confirm, I myself have not seen or heard, but I believe my relatives, they live there.
    And do not forget that military exercises are being held in Belarus and the army there is now deployed as a front against Russia ...

    Fiction, there is no negativity against Russia, there is negativity about interference from the territory of Russia. There is a difference?
    After all, the AHL has never accused the Russian government, but only individual figures or organizations.
  • trophy
    trophy 14 August 2020 08: 30 New
    +3
    What will be, what will be? And there will be the same bestial capitalism as ours, plus a mess as in Ukraine. The only beneficiaries will be those who, on the guise of cheaply, will buy up another non-stale industry. Sheep are those Belarusians who sit at home and look at all this.
  • Alt 22
    Alt 22 14 August 2020 08: 30 New
    +8
    This article is sheer nonsense, or rather, an analyst of Markov's statements.

    You, dear author, do you know that during the Maidan in Ukraine, too, did not promise any foreigners in power, or persecution of the Russian language, or the actual loss of sovereignty, or the country's economic decline? But nevertheless, the Ukrainians received all this in full - everything, and even much more, even the "galicization" of the Ukrainian language, when the verbal expressions and words characteristic of Western Ukraine were recognized as literary - femenites like "boxer", "author" etc. - if only it was less like Russian.

    So - in case of victory of the Maydauns, Belarus and Belarusians will receive everything that they were not promised, but that was in Ukraine. They will receive it simply because the ANTIRUSSIAN FORCES will come to power in the country, directed not only against Russia, but also against the Russians.

    Just like in Ukraine, children will be deprived of the opportunity to receive education in Russian, they will also allow the chaos of "patriots" -nazis, they will also erect monuments to "fighters for independence" - various collaborators, and knock down monuments to heroes of the Second World War, they will also the first opportunity to spoil Russia, even due to the deterioration of the economy of Belarus.

    And only stupid, or only pro-American propagandists, do not understand all this. Who are you, dear lol author?
  • chenia
    chenia 14 August 2020 08: 40 New
    +8
    This is how it happens when there are no ideological parties. It must be done as in Germany - an almost irreplaceable chancellor. I'm not a fan of the old man, but he saved both people and the economy. In an authoritarian way, yes. And then it was impossible. Now it was necessary to act more subtly.
    And employees of Belarusian enterprises should be brought to Ukraine (especially to Nikolaev). Let them see the prospect of "freedom". Every morning they will take out to the road (on rugs) and in public gardens the equipment removed from the factories (well, who could reach what could be reached or cheap (basement) Chinese clutter (expensive ones will be inaccessible). And complete freedom (well, in the sense of fucking nobody needs ), and they can choose different ones, but in the end, the authorities will be the same (in fact).
  • akunin
    akunin 14 August 2020 08: 53 New
    +1
    Markov is still a gubshlep. I have to answer myself (each) brothers or not brothers? Are we (each of us) ready to beat the Belarusians? I personally am for the union state (as a variant of the USSR), but I'm not ready to spread rot on the Belarusians (they want samastoynasts - they have the right). I was an opponent of the Ukrainian Maidan (I do not accept flirting with the Nazis), but at this stage, I support their struggle. Lukashenka will leave sooner or later (due to natural attrition) it was necessary for a long time to build a policy with other Belarusian politicians (or are we warming a place for the youngest Lukashenka?). Alekseevich pissed off her interview with the Belarusian branch of Radio Svoboda.
    There are rumors (Anatoly Lebedko said, he probably has verified information) that there are many Russian OMON units here. So who will love it? Who can love this? In addition, Belarusians constantly emphasize that we are peaceful people, we do not want to kill anyone, we do not want to beat anyone. And here the almost inhuman, satanic rage with which the OMON operates in our country - I find it hard to believe that this is the Belarusian OMON. It seems to me that the Belarusian guys could not beat their mothers and sisters like that.

    again "the hand of Moscow" am again interethnic strife. I hope that for her words / deeds she will be judged by God
    https://www.svoboda.org/a/30780427.html
    if not lazy - read the comments (quoting the classics: "the abyss of stars is full ...")
    1. Russian Central Asian
      Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 20: 12 New
      +1
      To draw such a line, one needs brains, determination, and, most importantly, the desire to carry it out. Our leadership has none of this and is not close.
      1. akunin
        akunin 20 August 2020 14: 21 New
        0
        I think my brain is in order, there is no point in it (for guidance).
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 14 August 2020 09: 00 New
    +2
    In vain did dad let the ambassadors leave the embassies. And why are they without masks? They are planning a new muck. Where are the statements of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Belarus about the so-called mediators. Maybe the whole bargaining is going on, and we do not know anything about it?
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 14 August 2020 09: 00 New
    +6
    It is clear that Belarus will have the road of Ukraine. At least the United States and the EEC want this, but does anyone doubt their desires and their capabilities? Ukraine was blown, now it's Belarus's turn. Loss after loss.
    There is no doubt that Russia will be made guilty in this case, and in the eyes of the Belarusians. The winner will write the story.
    1. Sanche
      Sanche 14 August 2020 13: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: sevtrash
      It is clear that Belarus will have the road of Ukraine.

      Patterned thinking of the all-propane
      1. Russian Central Asian
        Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 20: 18 New
        0
        As the experience of Ukraine has shown, the so-called "all-propals" turned out to be very right. But all sorts of fans like you of our nanogeny and the policy he pursued found themselves in the deepest anus. But they prefer to modestly keep silent about this, although they pretty much whine about it laughing .
    2. Sanche
      Sanche 14 August 2020 13: 41 New
      0
      Quote: sevtrash
      There is no doubt that Russia will be made to blame.

      Well, who supports ... how could I put it more mildly ... the usurper?
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 14 August 2020 09: 18 New
    +7
    I don’t understand Roman and his disagreement with Markov. The Maidan has already proved and demonstrated everything in Ukraine, in Belarus, an attempt at the same, there have been and will be attempts of the same in Russia. What proof does Roman need if such events follow the same scenarios in one country after another? Everything is correct and utterly frankly says Markov, non-diplomatically expressing his view of events from the Kremlin ... They are not satisfied with them even more .. the second Ukraine with local turchino-poroshenki at hand didn’t fall ..
  • Avior
    Avior 14 August 2020 09: 58 New
    -1
    12. Victory Day on May 9 will not be celebrated. As in Ukraine.

    I read Roman's commentary and remembered comrade Experienced "Take the marriage from a comrade and give him a new one."
    Dear author !.
    In Ukraine, Victory Day is celebrated on May 9 and has always been celebrated. This is an official public holiday, a day off, and was and is, has never been canceled ..
    And, of course, it is celebrated at the official level.
    but "In Ukraine" smiled from Markov smile
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 14 August 2020 10: 05 New
    +3
    Everything is done according to a single method, everything is worked out to the smallest detail. Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, now Belarus. In the future, and in Russia. Everyone knows everything, but they make the same mistakes, and if at some stage they manage to fight back, as in Ukraine (Yushchenko-Yanukovych), then in the future the system of color revolutions finishes it off, it only takes time.
    Lukashenka was unable to outplay this system. Putin, by swapping places with Medvedev, gained time. But the danger has not gone anywhere, it has lurked. People get tired of one person in power, and nothing can be done about it. In the United States, faces change, the policy remains the same.
    In Kazakhstan, it went according to a different scenario. Nazarbayev handed over power bloodlessly. Maybe a color revolution did not work out there, or maybe it has not been planned yet.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 15 August 2020 17: 06 New
      0
      What new faces are changing on the platform of the printing press of cut, green paper - USA? All the same puppeteers of the last centuries. Those who change are sixes. And the People, in the understanding of the People, is not observed in madness. Rabble offsuit
      Provides stability to the machine.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 20 August 2020 08: 09 New
        0
        What new faces are changing on the platform of the printing press of cut, green paper - USA?

        Changing presidents. I mean, every 4 (8) years, new faces. Therefore, the variant of the color revolution as in Belarus is impossible. That's all.
        And the fact that the president is only the talking head of his party (money bag), no one argues with this.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 20 August 2020 12: 51 New
          0
          Come on? And what is happening there now? This is certainly not a flower garden, it is purely Masonic fun, to arrange coups in sovereign countries. But still. The changeability of the talking head and not of the party, but of the true owners of the printing press, does not have any influence on internal stability in this rabble pot called the state.
          Stop feeding niggas and the unemployed, announce and tirelessly repeat in the media that the great American dream is a chimera and unattainable and will be cooler than on the outskirts and Belarus. If there are those willing, with the resources, to rock the boat and start the crowd, this will certainly come true. This can only be stopped by force and extreme cruelty. Proven by thousands of years of civilization. Our recent experience is in VD and Chinese. And the opposite is ours at 91.
    2. Russian Central Asian
      Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 20: 22 New
      +1
      Kazakhs are now under the close and sensitive care of the CCP. So the only thing that in principle can happen there is that all Russians will finally be squeezed.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 14 August 2020 11: 02 New
    0
    "... a member of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, a confidant of President V. V. Putin .." - In principle, you can not read further, any confidant of Putin will express himself on this matter as if it were a manual.

    The West will ruin everything, take away all the virgins, eat all the babies.
  • vladimych
    vladimych 14 August 2020 11: 21 New
    0
    The Ukrainian was putting Markov on the shelves, and their view of events is ... Ukrainian.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 14 August 2020 11: 50 New
    -2
    Author:
    Roman Skomorokhov
    If I were the Poles, I would sue this “political scientist”. Because the provocative insult to the country with which Belarus has no friction is obvious.

    And what prevents Skomorokhov himself from filing a lawsuit against Markov, if he slandered the Belarusian people so much and what is happening there is perverted by Markov with the aim of inciting ethnic conflicts?
    Only nifiga Skomorokhov will not go to any court, because Markov simply warned what would happen in Belarus after their Maidan, which is clearly copied from Ukrainian. Apparently Skomorokhov forgot what happened in Ukraine, and the predictions made by many of our left-wing political scientists, how events will develop there long before the first Maidans. One has only to recall the Ukrainian demands for "a fair gas price" and it immediately becomes clear that this card has long been played in Belarus. So as one author rightly noted
    Arguments that one side and the other are far-fetched ...
    , only Skomorokhov clearly falls short of refuting Markov's argument, and this is a fact. Time will tell which of them attracts more by the ears, but in any case we can predict Lukashenka, but who will replace him is unlikely to have a better attitude towards Russia.
  • Sanche
    Sanche 14 August 2020 13: 28 New
    -5
    An excellent article showing how close the topic of Belarus is to the author. I put everything on the shelves correctly.
    And from the all-consuming Markov, I am surprised at all.
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 14 August 2020 23: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Sanche
      Excellent article

      From what? Article by Vlasovets, a comprador, that is to say, a traitor. The loop is crying for such!
  • Andobor
    Andobor 14 August 2020 14: 35 New
    -2
    Putin introduces - everything will pass, like to Ukraine, but Belarus can be taken all over, not so expensive.
    1. Berg berg
      Berg berg 14 August 2020 15: 01 New
      +3
      And where is it Putin came to Ukraine, tell me? As far as I can see, all Western trash and Americans have gathered in Ukraine, but for some reason Russia is not visible? Did not come !!!
      1. Andobor
        Andobor 14 August 2020 19: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: Berg Berg
        all western trash and americans

        Can't put strategic systems against Russia in Ukraine,
        and to take them under control completely, it means to feed this desolate galloping poverty - do I need it?
        - what was needed was taken - Crimea.
        1. Berg berg
          Berg berg 15 August 2020 14: 50 New
          +1
          They did not take it, but returned it for rent! And you will return not only this!
        2. Essex62
          Essex62 15 August 2020 16: 58 New
          0
          And you don't want to feed anyone. Only yourself loved. This poverty was caused by the coup that began at 91 and led to the Maidan at 14.
        3. Russian Central Asian
          Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 20: 30 New
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          You should read Russian classics, the same Tolstoy Leo, well, at least his stories for children. There is a very revealing and instructive moment about what happens to people who do not recognize poor relatives and refuse to help them. Believe me, not everything in this world is measured by money.
      2. Andobor
        Andobor 15 August 2020 17: 30 New
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        Quote: Berg Berg
        where is it Putin came to Ukraine, tell me?

        As where? - squeezed the strategic territory - Crimea, the rest was scorched to the brim, explaining to the Americans that it was impossible to put strategic systems there aimed at Russia,
        Putin is the president of Russia and is concerned with its security, and it is not his duty to do well for generous Ukrainians - let
        Quote: Berg Berg
        western trash and americans
        and they are fed - why should I feed the galloping poverty?
  • Berg berg
    Berg berg 14 August 2020 14: 57 New
    +3
    Fu even here with their little articles the liberals climbed! As you are itching to do it, Ukraine was ruined, Belarus is next in line in dreams of Russia! Don't you understand that the people do not see all your liberal rot? The fact that in Belarus Bandera's people are running around on these unrest and that mercenaries are running around with the old white-red flags of the gentry and that Western ambassadors and diplomats have come out to support the beacons of democracy? I even wondered why they didn't kneel. Where is their indignation in France in support of yellow vests, why is it not visible in the American ghetto on the barricades in support of blacks !? Don't you see either? Well, you have a filter in front of your eyes, I don't see it in the west, but here I see it! It's all dirty like that!
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 14 August 2020 23: 33 New
      0
      How can you not understand ?! Well that is quite another matter!
    2. Russian Central Asian
      Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 20: 32 New
      0
      Dirty is a very mild word.
  • 1536
    1536 14 August 2020 17: 29 New
    +3
    What is happening now in Belarus is the third final act of a very bad play that has been played for many years in the post-Soviet space. Everyone saw this, everyone was spectators, but no one wanted to change anything or at least stop this farce. In some ways, this is even consonant with the fact when a drunken artist insults you from the stage, and you applaud him. The political scientist only expresses his opinion, based on the information at his disposal. He does not make decisions, he does not own either factories or big money that decide everything in today's life. Who today at the level of the decision-making echelon listens to the opinion of sociologists, political scientists or specialists on a particular country? No one! And this is the trouble with the authorities in the post-Soviet space. This is what the party and Komsomol apparatchiks sinned in their time, and this is what today's managers have also committed. Late after the fight, swing your fists.
    1. Russian Central Asian
      Russian Central Asian 19 August 2020 20: 36 New
      0
      I think that unfortunately, this is far from the final act of a very bad play. I think that all this is nothing more than just a prologue, and the play itself has not even begun yet.
  • bulava
    bulava 14 August 2020 18: 13 New
    -2
    Quote: svp67
    The ambassadors of the EU countries laid a wreath and flowers at the place of death of a protester in Belarus and SUPPORTED the protesters.

    And, what is most interesting, the "bloody gebnya" did not even try to disperse this obvious unauthorized gathering of citizens
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 14 August 2020 23: 30 New
      +4
      Interestingly, when did the ambassadors of the "EU countries" become citizens of Belarus? And I am still very tormented by the question: what are they doing on the territory of the country, and why they have not yet been declared persona non grata for interfering in the internal affairs of Belarus7
  • Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 14 August 2020 18: 27 New
    -1
    Time will tell!
  • Takashi
    Takashi 14 August 2020 19: 04 New
    -2
    Unfortunately, but the Belarusians will not overthrow their incomprehensible as an elected president.
    In order for him to be dumped, his closest entourage must also stand against him. But that doesn't happen.
    1. cmax
      cmax 14 August 2020 20: 14 New
      -2
      Takashi Here you are wrong, the process has begun, no inner circle (whether it got up or did not get up) will not help. They are now thinking how to get out of this situation by themselves without losses. People have already decided everything. Lukashenka is a thing of the past. Really you do not see his insanity in his deeds and actions (boorish) in relation to Russia (which has supported him for almost all the years)
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 15 August 2020 16: 54 New
        +1
        Based on your judgments, if someone really wants to climb onto a domineering stool and he has mated with the Saxons and jackals of the gamerops, does he have every right to do so? Everywhere and always? And the authorities cannot defend themselves, should they think how to swim out? What people "themselves" decided? In Washington, Warsaw, where else? There, besides bam, which really does not look very adequate, there are also people in power, younger and in the Belarusian Office. Where, no matter what, they continue to work to protect the constitutional order. They will crush the Sorovskaya gopota, do not even hesitate. No one will run away
  • itis
    itis 14 August 2020 19: 45 New
    0
    in vain you are so, mister critic.
    and do not give (tired of) the word and concept "people" as justifications.
    even the RSDLP (b) proved in practice that a tiny but close-knit group of like-minded people (also armed) can declare that the "guard is tired" and the results of your democratic elections of the "people" are under the tail of a cat.
    start to be afraid of Belarusians.
    who sows the wind will reap the storm
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 14 August 2020 23: 25 New
      0
      The main thing is that the authorities have sufficiently tough testicles .... Remember Tiananmen! Consequences - China is the most powerful economy in the world!
  • itis
    itis 14 August 2020 19: 51 New
    +2
    Tihanovskaya is already in Lithuania.
    only a stubborn liberal can hope that the recruitment of the "face of the opposition" has not yet taken place.
    happened in five minutes !!
    will be for you at the beginning of the NPP, like Nord Stream, then according to the list
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 14 August 2020 19: 56 New
    +4
    Skomorokhov again anneals ... From me a huge sinus to his theses. I will not even argue my assessment of his article ..
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 14 August 2020 23: 22 New
      0
      hi This is tantamount to determining the type of feces!
  • pro100y.belarus
    pro100y.belarus 14 August 2020 20: 03 New
    -6
    With such "friends" as Markov and enemies are not necessary. Russia has done EVERYTHING possible to alienate the people of Belarus.
    Mr. Peskov said (when Babariko was imprisoned) that this is an internal matter of Belarus. We do not interfere with the elections. That is, you do not care that we are beaten, imprisoned, killed, and the election results are insolently rigged.
    We realized that there was nothing to expect from Russia for support, even the condemnation of the WRONG, contrary to the LAW actions did not follow. This means that the Russian leadership is at the same time with the dictator.
    Only the EU condemned the actions of the authorities.
    And now Russia is threatening us with terrible punishment, writing apocalyptic scenarios ... and again, as usual, about Ukraine.
    WHERE WERE YOU BEFORE? Why didn't they help?
    A holy place is never empty. Others will help.
    Finally, understand the concept of good and evil. Lukashenko is EVIL. This means that Russia is on the side of evil.
    Whatever you do, no matter how you regret, it will NEVER be the same as before. Lukashenka will leave, but the sediment will remain.
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 14 August 2020 23: 19 New
      +2
      Not, well, if you REALLY want it, we, the Russians, could put OWN people in power over your country, and locally, by governors, and strengthen THEIR power with a couple of motorized rifle and (or) airborne divisions, and in the provincial centers - by brigades of the Russian Guard. This is if you do not like OUR (Russian) policy of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries ...
  • cmax
    cmax 14 August 2020 20: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: passerby
    One thing surprises me, if everyone understands that Lukashenka has long been inadequate, then why should Russia support him? It would be understandable if he listened to what they say to him from Moscow, but he does not listen. He was told that it would be better for him not to go to the polls, but to quietly retire, and instead he began to mold from Russia the image of an enemy, demanding more economic preferences, while doing nothing to deepen integration and create a common state. By supporting such a person, Russia only loses its credibility in the eyes of Belarusians, while any alternative candidate in this case automatically becomes pro-Western, since Russia supports Lukashenka and it is only possible to rely on the West in opposition to him. We are driving ourselves into a corner once again.


    The smartest comment on the site!
    1. Berg berg
      Berg berg 16 August 2020 13: 54 New
      0
      Russia will never lose credibility in Belarus, otherwise it will simply close the borders and all Belarusians will go to work in their homeland, but there will be no more investments and preferential supplies!
  • Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 14 August 2020 20: 20 New
    +6
    The opposition protests in Belarus follow the same scenario as in Ukraine in 2013-2014, the authors of the scenario are the same - the US CIA. It is led by Poland, Lithuania and Ukriana. Purpose: to bring down the statehood of the Republic of Belarus and include it in a new project: Great Rzeczpospolita from sea to sea.

    The victory of the opposition will lead to the same sad result as in Ukraine: de-communism, de-Sovietization and de-Russification, which will end in Belarus losing its sovereignty, destroying the economy, establishing a nationalist dictatorship and disintegrating the country.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 14 August 2020 20: 42 New
    +6
    It's a shame to read this. I do not believe that the respected author lives in the country of pink ponies and is not familiar with the ideas of the Belarusian opposition, including Ms. Tikhanovskaya. This means that he deliberately strives for the destruction of the Union State and the elimination of the social state in Belarus.
    Markov (for all my critical attitude towards him), in this case, is absolutely right. Moreover, he rather even embellishes the situation.
    PS If, nevertheless, the author lives in the country of ponies, then here is their program for him- http://zabelarus.com/ru/
    Let him enjoy.
  • Ingenegr
    Ingenegr 14 August 2020 21: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    The ambassadors of the EU countries laid a wreath and flowers at the place of death of a protester in Belarus and SUPPORTED the protesters ...

    The three first Heroes of Russia (by the way, without Wikipedia's prompts, can anyone remember their names and surnames?) Were also awarded "royal tears". After them, literally a year later, people began to die untimely in the thousands, but only relatives were crying over their bodies. The great ones shed false tears only over the sacred sacrifices that were originally planned, and not the fact that they were framed by the opposite side. It so happens that the victims are made by accomplices of the Greats - free or not.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 14 August 2020 21: 56 New
    0
    Without a doubt, if under the pressure of the street + foreign waves in the Republic of Belarus will be replaced by power. The drift from Russia will take place for sure. And Russia will lose its only ally.

    Option, as in Ukraine in 2004, with the victory of Yanuca, forced to conduct an "extra" tour under pressure. There and YUShch briefly undertook to steer.
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 14 August 2020 22: 40 New
    +2
    On the whole, I agree with Markov. Time will tell who is right.