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Why are there no marshals in the modern Russian army?

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What is the highest rank in our army? Who is the proud owner of this title? What do the huge stars on the shoulder straps of some leaders of the Russian Ministry of Defense mean? These and similar questions often concern those who are keenly interested in military affairs, but are not too sophisticated in some of its intricacies. But the answers to them, in general, do not constitute any secret.


The Russian Armed Forces, in principle, almost completely copy the system of military ranks of the Soviet Army. Everything we have is roughly the same as the invincible and legendary: there are soldiers and corporals, warrant officers of various ranks, officers: from a junior lieutenant to a colonel, there are generals - what kind of army would it be without them? The whole set, so to speak, from major general to army general. That's all? But no. The highest military rank of Marshal of the Russian Federation, established on February 11, 1993 by the relevant law, has not been canceled. There are simply no active marshals in the army today.

The first and only of these, Igor Sergeev, who served as Russian defense minister from 1997 to 2001, was awarded this title by the then president of the country, Boris Yeltsin, about six months after taking office. In our country, it has never been assigned to anyone else. Particularly concerned and clearly alternatively gifted citizens, who wrote something on blogs about Shoigu's “marshal's shoulder straps”, I can advise them to learn materiel and follow the appropriate regulatory framework, according to which the army general's shoulder straps changed their appearance from “four-star” to the current “one-star " in 2013.

Why don't we have marshals? For a better understanding of the issue, it may be worth referring to stories and biographies of people who wore this title in the Soviet Union. The first Soviet marshals appeared, as you know, in 1935. There were five of them: Kliment Voroshilov, Semyon Budyonny, Mikhail Tukhachevsky, Alexander Egorov, Vasily Blucher. Only the first two managed to keep the title (and the head in addition) - real people-legends. In 1940, Semyon Timoshenko, Boris Shaposhnikov and Grigory Kulik became marshals of the USSR. This is where the very short list of "pre-war" marshals ends. Although they cannot be called “peaceful” either: the Soviet Union at that time had to conduct hostilities almost constantly - not with the Finns, but with the Japanese or someone else ...

The next marshals appeared in the Red Army in 1943, when a radical turning point was reached in the Great Patriotic War. Georgy Zhukov, Alexander Vasilevsky ... Somewhat later, after them, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, also put on the marshal's shoulder straps. But Lavrenty Beria received this title only after the Victory, in the summer of 1945. In my deep conviction, it is absolutely deserved, and not only for the more than successful fight against enemy intelligence services, but also for the huge contribution to the cause of military development.

In total, during the existence of the Soviet Union, the marshal rank was awarded 41 times. Seven people were deprived of him by court verdicts: Tukhachevsky, Blucher, Egorov, Kulik (later reinstated in rank), etc. Beria's rank and regalia were taken away after the Khrushchev coup and a parody of the investigation and trial. Later, Nikolai Bulganin, almost the first and last civilian minister of defense of the USSR, was left without marshal's shoulder straps. To the legendary Nikolai Kuznetsov higher navy the rank corresponding to the marshal's (admiral of the fleet of the Soviet Union) was assigned several times, then again selected. They finally left them posthumously ... In the wild years of perestroika, they thought about depriving Leonid Brezhnev of the marshal's epaulettes posthumously, but they did not - they limited themselves to canceling the awarding of the Order of Victory.

The list of marshals of the Soviet Union is cut off by Dmitry Yazov, the country's last defense minister. By the way, he also became the last of them who lived among us: Dmitry Timofeevich's heart stopped beating only this year.

Will Russia have new marshals? It is hard to say. Let me just note that among those who bore this title in the USSR, there was not a single person who had not gone through the battle of the Great Patriotic War. Fortunately, we have been living under a peaceful sky for 75 years. No, our armed forces are honorably fulfilling their combat missions, but, you see, their scale is completely different from the colossal military trials that befell the Soviet marshals.

I am sure there are more than enough people in our army who are quite worthy to wear this highest military rank. If a war happens, Russian marshals will appear, continuing the glorious traditions of their predecessors, to save the Motherland. But it would be better, of course, to do without it.
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  1. paul3390
    paul3390 13 August 2020 18: 08 New
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    But you can enter and assign the title of, for example, Marshal of the Russian Guard .. Or the Chief Marshal of the Russian Guard .. Just in the spirit of modern times .. Or is the cardinal more suitable for the guards? what
    1. Shiva83483
      Shiva83483 13 August 2020 18: 27 New
      +4
      Marshall? Guards? come on....
      1. Gato
        Gato 13 August 2020 19: 16 New
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        Marshall? Guards?

        Indeed, one must be more modest. Just Colonel of the Life Guards. laughing
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        2. Civil
          Civil 13 August 2020 20: 39 New
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          1. Well, probably a big price tag for the title of marshal, but little exhaust. Will not fight back.
          2. The karakul hat was canceled.
          3. Or maybe Serdyukov has already been appropriated by a secret order.
          4. Or maybe not Serdyukov, but the one whose name cannot be called.
          5. The press secretary will soon be assigned

          laughing
          1. Joker62
            Joker62 14 August 2020 06: 00 New
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            Serdyukov is still in the rank of colonel ... and I wouldn't be surprised to add the prefix - colonel general ... Well, a real regiment!
        3. rich
          rich 14 August 2020 00: 50 New
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          you need to be more modest

          Indeed, one must be more modest
          In 1988, when Wojciech Jaruzelski was the practically unlimited ruler of Poland, he laughingly rejected the idea of ​​encirclement giving him the rank of marshal, saying that marshals commanded armies during the war, and he commanded a cavalry platoon. yes
        4. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 14 August 2020 04: 15 New
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          Quote: Gato
          Indeed, one must be more modest. Just Colonel of the Life Guards.

          Rather, it is a "label-colonel" of an artificially formed organization, the purpose of which is manifested in most cases in the suppression of the rights and freedoms of the country's citizens.
          Marshal (from) the Gendarmerie ... laughing Indeed, the Russian land has not become scarce for idiots who imagine themselves to be strategists.
        5. Joker62
          Joker62 14 August 2020 05: 58 New
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          For them, as modesty - there is no such thing as such .... there is a concept - to squeeze and take! wassat
      2. private person
        private person 14 August 2020 16: 01 New
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        Marshall? Guards? come on..

        And even there is nothing to think about, the rank of generals is assigned to various "dryers" from the press center. Now is the time to assign the rank of marshals.
    2. 7,62h54
      7,62h54 13 August 2020 18: 44 New
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      He is more of a butcher, liver master
    3. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 13 August 2020 18: 54 New
      +8
      "The haberdasher and the cardinal are strength!")))
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 13 August 2020 19: 20 New
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        Quote: Ilya-spb
        "The haberdasher and the cardinal are power!"

        Come on, drop this "intertrap" of French literature. In our case: a locksmith and a club manager is something ... no
    4. businessv
      businessv 13 August 2020 19: 05 New
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      Quote: paul3390
      But you can enter and assign the title of, for example, Marshal of the Russian Guard.
      Of course you can, why not assign something ?! As soon as one of the commanders of our glorious Rosgvardia distinguishes itself, for example, the war will win, so immediately assign it to him! soldier
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 13 August 2020 19: 08 New
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        With whom should she fight, besides her own people? Does anyone see a different meaning to its creation? It seems like the army coped with an external enemy, there were police officers for crime. There used to be VVs on all barmaleevs .. And here you are not just a guard, but also Ros .. In fact, the guard in battles was supposed to be deserved in the old days. Both under the tsars and under the Bolsheviks ..
        1. KCA
          KCA 13 August 2020 23: 22 New
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          Do you even know the divisions from which the Russian Guard was formed? This is not some new punitive structure, but everyone knows:

          Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia,
          Special Forces Center of Rapid Reaction Forces and Aviation of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia,
          Special rapid response units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia,
          Special mobile units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia,
          Private security units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia,
          Subdivisions of licensing and permitting work of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 13 August 2020 23: 31 New
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            And - what? This somehow explains why Putin needed such a structure? And with such a strange name? Don't you think that LRO, Vokhra and Special Forces somehow don't go well together?
            1. KCA
              KCA 14 August 2020 02: 48 New
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              Those who are not directly involved in police functions were removed from the police, for example, before the guards went to call the police, collected drunks for sticks, etc., now they are only engaged in guards, they no longer drive drunks. By the way, the VOKHR was not at all cops, but on the contrary, the Departmental Security, but the cops were VNO
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 14 August 2020 04: 20 New
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                Quote: KCA
                now only deals with

                In short, now they are engaged in the protection of power structures.
                Everyone understands everything, because they saw a lot of all kinds of evil and nasty things in life. Forgive me, but to be proud that the main occupation: wringing hands (even for women) and beating unwanted clubs with the use of special means is not a worthy occupation for a "real man". no
                1. KCA
                  KCA 14 August 2020 05: 40 New
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                  Crimean bridge, nuclear power plant, but simply shops, offices, private houses and apartments are these power structures? Well, you have a fantasy, well, conclude a contract with Rosgvardia for the protection of your apartment, feel yourself in power, and not expensive, prices are at the level of a private security company
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 14 August 2020 05: 49 New
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                    Quote: KCA
                    Well, you have a fantasy, well, conclude a contract with Rosgvardia for the protection of your apartment, feel yourself in power, and not expensive, prices are at the level of private security companies

                    This is your reality problem. To put iron bars on the windows, to install iron doors, and even to "hire" the Russian Guard for protection - isn't this HAPPINESS?
                    What, we are in a war, that there is a need to create militarized state structures (new) for the protection of strategic objects? How was it in the USSR? How did they manage without the gendarmerie?
                    1. KCA
                      KCA 14 August 2020 05: 58 New
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                      What gendarmerie? That you are all nonsense, how you guarded nuclear facilities before the Internal Troops, and they are guarding them, only the Rosgvardia is called, how they dispersed unauthorized gatherings and kept order at mass events of the OMON and Internal Troops, and continue as part of the Rosgvardia, how they stormed and captured the SOBR bandits, and they continue to be part of the Rosgvardia, as they issued licenses, and they continue, the guards both guarded and continues, not a single unit that entered the Rosgvardia changed its purpose, or were they issued shields and clubs and sent to disperse liberoids?
                      PySy - bars and iron doors are no longer a prerequisite for accepting an object under protection, proximity sensors and GPRS communication, tea in the 21st century, my friend has a house in a garden partnership under protection, from the security department 12 kilometers away, the house is not bad, stuffed with appliances, not a single grate
                2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 14 August 2020 05: 45 New
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                  Also express concern about the disproportionate use of force against peaceful demonstrators blocking roads and attacking the National Guards.
                  What rights and freedoms did the Russian Guard suppress? Did they twist their hands in Khabarovsk and beat the unwanted with clubs?
                  If Rosgvardia and VV have the same functions, then VV can be done because VV, and Rosgvardia can't because you don't like the name?
        2. businessv
          businessv 14 August 2020 13: 02 New
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          Quote: paul3390
          Who should she fight with, besides her own people? Does anyone see a different meaning to its creation?
          After all, we did not discuss the Russian Guard, but the marshals, as far as I remember? You offered to assign ranks in the indicated unit, and now you have moved from the marshals to the guard. Be consistent, colleague! I also do not quite understand the purpose of creating this structure, but this is a topic for a separate article, right?
    5. parusnik
      parusnik 13 August 2020 19: 06 New
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      Or the Chief Marshal of the Russian Guard ..
      ....Sounds nice.. laughing And if you add Your Excellency ... brilliance ... laughing
    6. mister-red
      mister-red 13 August 2020 20: 18 New
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      But you can enter and assign the title of, for example, Marshal of the Russian Guard .. Or Chief Marshal of the Russian Guard .. Just in the spirit of modern times ..

      In the USSR, there were marshals and chief marshals of the combat arms. So this is basically not as absurd as you think.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 13 August 2020 20: 55 New
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        Quote: mister-red
        chief marshals of the military

        ? !!!!
        what is the rank of chief marshal of a branch of the military?
        1. mister-red
          mister-red 13 August 2020 21: 01 New
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          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          what is the rank of chief marshal of a branch of the military?

          Guys, you have the Internet, why not search before asking a stupid question.
          Here's one for you.

          Aleksander Ivanovich Koldunov (1923 - 1992) - Soviet military and statesman, Chief Marshal of the USSR Aviation, twice Hero of the Soviet Union.

          During the Great Patriotic War - one of the best Soviet fighter aces.
          The most productive ace among those who fought on the Yak fighters. On account of his 46 downed aircraft.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 13 August 2020 22: 49 New
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            Quote: mister-red
            Chief Marshal of the USSR Aviation,

            By the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of April 26, 1984, this title was abolished
            1. mister-red
              mister-red 13 August 2020 23: 29 New
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              Well done, I could still find it. Not so bad)
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 14 August 2020 07: 28 New
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                rudeness is of course cool
                but does not honor YOU
    7. Joker62
      Joker62 14 August 2020 05: 56 New
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      Quite right - Cardinal! wassat And the rank of Marshal is too much for the RosGuards .. sad ... Who knows ... We will never understand the secrets of the Madrid court ... repeat Oh! belay Kremlin courtyard ... what
  2. Alien ...
    Alien ... 13 August 2020 18: 11 New
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    "To especially concerned and clearly alternatively gifted citizens who wrote something on blogs about Shoigu's' marshal's shoulder straps', I can advise them to learn materiel and follow the relevant regulatory framework, according to which the army general's shoulder straps changed their appearance from 'four-star' to the current one ' one-star "in 2013."

    Well, I really wanted the kitten rescuer to look like a marshal ...
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 13 August 2020 19: 15 New
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      Something I do not hear any particular indignation regarding the actions of the current Minister of Defense from the servicemen .. In contrast to the period of Serdyukov's rule.
      So, whether he is a "kitten rescuer" or not, he is quite adequate in his position.
      And for the "kitten rescuers": there is a famous anecdote .. So continue to smoke your bad bamboo ..
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 13 August 2020 22: 35 New
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        And what did you see in the message about Shoigu's wrong actions that may concern "servicemen"? Where? I saw a statement of the fact that a person who does not even have a secondary military education wears epaulettes similar to the marshal's .. and otherwise, he is better than stool for sure ..
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 15 August 2020 20: 14 New
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          Quote: 2 level advisor
          And what did you see in the message about Shoigu's wrong actions that may concern "servicemen"? Where? I saw a statement of the fact that a person who does not even have a secondary military education wears epaulettes similar to the marshal's .. and otherwise, he is better than stool for sure ..

          What does it mean Shoigu does not have a secondary military education? He graduated from the military department in 1977 and was awarded the military rank of Lieutenant in the reserve.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 16 August 2020 08: 47 New
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            oh yeah ... tell this to an officer who walked for 5 years in boots ... why military schools .. after all there is a military department ... it's the same ... military schools are not needed .. because there is a military department .. the rank is awarded - from lieutenant to generals .. fact .. but there is no military education, and there never was and will not be .. fact ... because dad was in charge of the regional committee .. he is a stupid man-son to a military school ..
            not a rank makes a person an officer ... think - he didn't even command a platoon ..
            In principle, I am for Shoigu .. but why was it necessary to wear undeserved shoulder straps ... ugly .. or, on the contrary, beautifully ... I would wear a jacket and that's all ..
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 14 August 2020 04: 45 New
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        Quote: Turist1996
        Something I do not hear any particular indignation regarding the actions of the current Minister of Defense from servicemen .. In contrast to the period of Serdyukov's rule.

        In the district pub, too, you don't hear quotes from Pushkin or Shakespeare, and they don't even pronounce the name of Saltykov-Shchedrin there. What is the answer to you?
        Many tend to confuse two concepts: “Fatherland” and “Your Excellency”.

        So, do you also consider the construction of the Main Church of the Armed Forces of Russia correct? It was this clip with illustrations that our Armed Forces lacked to achieve victories over the adversary?
        Little remark:
        ... He had three Orders of the Red Banner. Moreover, one of these orders was nameless. The army commander saw him in the air. It was in 1941 in Mtsensk. German bombers attacked the Mtsensk airfield. Vasily flew there on an unloaded plane and pushed these bombers out with his forehead, drove them away. The commander of the army said: "I am awarding this pilot with the Order of the Red Banner." When I landed, the name of the pilot was revealed ...
        - Artyom Sergeev, Ekaterina Glushik. Conversations about Stalin.

        Which of Shoigu's daughters: Yulia or Irina made their way to the "bright tomorrow" with their foreheads? Whom did they push and push? Or is it that they got positions for their resourcefulness of mind?
        Vasily Stalin was in command of the regiment diligently, listening to us, more experienced pilots. As a regiment commander, he could, at his discretion, make combat missions as part of any squadron, but most often for some reason he flew with mine. During February - March 1943, we shot down a dozen enemy aircraft. With Vasily's participation - three. Moreover, it should be noted that the first, as a rule, was attacked by Vasily, after these attacks the planes lost control, and we then finished them off. According to our flight laws, Vasily could have counted them as shot down personally, but he considered them shot down in a group. I once told him about it, but he waved his hand and threw out shortly: "Don't!"
        - Hero of the Soviet Union S.F. Dolgushin

        You can say for what merits the gentleman, who does not (by and large) have military distinctions, received:
        Grand Cross of the Order of Merit pro Merito Melitensi?
        It is enough for me that this minister has not yet achieved payments to military pensioners in full (as prescribed by law). It is enough for me that the servicemen are "embarrassed to wear military uniforms" during extraordinary hours ... Or is this a lie?
    2. Turist1996
      Turist1996 13 August 2020 19: 22 New
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      From the movie "Brother-2": "You bastards will answer me for Sevastopol!" (from).
      So, dear opponent, will you explain to me for the Emergencies Ministry? About "rescuing the cats" ..
      Well, just so that you don't be "unfounded" ..
      In everyday life, they call you easier.
      1. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 19 August 2020 00: 01 New
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        and for the firemen, the firemen will tell you about their opinion about the ministry of the nutty earrings or the ministry of miracles and fairy tales ... you are not too lazy - go to the part where there are still those who still remember how it was at the ministry of internal affairs ... (rescuers) were sewn to a suit (fire brigade) and the number of running firefighters taken from the Ministry of Internal Affairs was enough to be awarded the rank of general ...
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    4. mister-red
      mister-red 13 August 2020 21: 06 New
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      Well, I really wanted the kitten rescuer to look like a marshal ...

      Let's just say - 4 stars is the American version, copied by Russia.
      There was one big star in the USSR. Whether or not we wanted to, we do not know.
      PS But the Russian form is of course trash.
      1. bnm.99
        bnm.99 13 August 2020 22: 34 New
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        Is everything all right with your head? Army generals received 4 stars for epaulettes in 1943. Learn the history of your country and do not disgrace yourself here with "American options"
  3. lelik613
    lelik613 13 August 2020 18: 13 New
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    "Igor Dmitrievich Sergeev (April 20, 1938, Verkhnee village, Voroshilovgrad region, Ukrainian SSR, USSR - November 10, 2006, Moscow, Russia) - Russian military leader. Defense Minister of the Russian Federation (1997-2001). Commander-in-Chief of the Strategic Missile Forces (1992-1997). Hero Russian Federation (1999). Sole Marshal of the Russian Federation (November 21, 1997). "
  4. Egoza
    Egoza 13 August 2020 18: 21 New
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    The main thing is that bloggers do not quarrel .... I mean that in Ukraine they ALREADY raised screams that almost ALL the marshals of the Second World War were Ukrainians (at their place of birth), and Russia appropriated them.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 13 August 2020 18: 26 New
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      Can they, for example, and Israel ben Eliezer, too, a broad Ukrainian-Svidomo? After all, he was born on the territory of the modern Tsegabonia ..
    2. Turist1996
      Turist1996 13 August 2020 19: 29 New
      +1
      This is a setup from history !!! laughing
      But in fact - God forbid "alter" your story like that !!!
  5. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 13 August 2020 18: 37 New
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    Here Yazov would still be deprived - albeit posthumously - of the title of Marshal - disgraces the title !!!!!!!! am
    1. Atlant-1164
      Atlant-1164 13 August 2020 19: 12 New
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      shame .. this is when the admins do not delete you from the list of members of the forum VO! for insulting a WWII warrior !!
      1. Turist1996
        Turist1996 13 August 2020 19: 32 New
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        Plus openly!
      2. Turist1996
        Turist1996 13 August 2020 19: 37 New
        +1
        Atlant-1164
        Plus to you!
        For clarification.
        !!
    2. Turist1996
      Turist1996 13 August 2020 19: 31 New
      +1
      Where did he cross YOUR path through life for you ?!
    3. mister-red
      mister-red 13 August 2020 21: 08 New
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      Quote: Crown without virus
      Here Yazov would still be deprived - albeit posthumously - of the title of Marshal - disgraces the title !!!!!!!! am

      And what did he dishonor, tell me?
  6. iouris
    iouris 13 August 2020 18: 37 New
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    Quote: "Why are there no marshals in the modern Russian army?" End of quote.
    ... and dads? The USSR fell. If Minsk falls, then Moscow will have to be defended. After the destruction of the encircled group of enemy forces near Volgograd you will have both hats and "marshals". In the meantime, study, study and study military art again in a real way.
  7. Avior
    Avior 13 August 2020 18: 43 New
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    You can add about the marshal stars - small and large
    Big - to the marshal of the Soviet Union, small - to the marshals of the combat arms, later to the generals of the army and admirals of the fleet
    Introduced during the war, awarded until the end of the 90s.
    Worn under a collar, later on a tie knot

    1. businessv
      businessv 13 August 2020 19: 07 New
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      Quote: Avior
      Introduced during the war, awarded until the end of the 90s.
      Worn under a collar, later on a tie knot

      Thank you, colleague, an interesting post! good
      1. Avior
        Avior 14 August 2020 08: 12 New
        +4

        Zhukov with Marshal's Star
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  9. asf.jkl
    asf.jkl 13 August 2020 18: 53 New
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    Because the grooms-Marschall <OE. marahscalc "groom" in the Russian army is not, as well as there are no blacksmiths - fr. maréchal-ferrant still means blacksmith. "
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 13 August 2020 20: 36 New
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      But in the "holy" USA "marshals" are like lights on a New Year tree: aviation, judicial and local. Especially "gorgeous" Marshal from "Rimbaud: First Blood"! Strong, infection, the actor played with all his might! I'm not talking about Stallone !!!
    2. Graz
      Graz 14 August 2020 02: 30 New
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      in fact, from the grooms went to France the title of Connetable, learn history
      1. Florian geyer
        Florian geyer 16 August 2020 22: 22 New
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        No, the constable, in our opinion, will be "the stolnik", and the marechal is just the "equestrian".
  10. sergo1914
    sergo1914 13 August 2020 18: 55 New
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    Not yet. Shoigu has promising girls there ...
  11. mag nit
    mag nit 13 August 2020 18: 59 New
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    But the generals and generals divorced - wherever you spit.
  12. BAI
    BAI 13 August 2020 19: 07 New
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    Why are there no marshals in the modern Russian army?

    Because there are no generals. The Marshal cannot command the majors. And the posts were cut. There is no required number of army generals and colonel generals (praise Serdyukov). Shoigu is actively working to restore general positions. So we will probably see marshals soon.
  13. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 13 August 2020 19: 16 New
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    I am sure that people who are quite worthy of wearing this highest military rank in our army more than enough.

    Who exactly and for what merits?
    Will Russia have new marshals? It is hard to say.

    As for the marshals - on "VO" ... laughing
    As for the Armed Forces, so many generals have appeared there that the marshals simply cannot push through. And yet, the generals probably still have decency, and the desire to receive a rank without merit in the officer corps looks shameful ... In any case, it looked until recently ...
  14. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 13 August 2020 19: 16 New
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    Quote: Atlant-1164
    shame .. this is when the admins do not delete you from the list of members of the forum VO! for insulting a WWII warrior !!

    During the Soviet era there was an article - even a number of articles in the Criminal Code - for betraying the Motherland !!! am For treason, for the violent seizure of power ... For Yazov, a whole bunch of such articles !!! am
  15. Gato
    Gato 13 August 2020 19: 19 New
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    By the way, what position does the marshal's rank in the Russian Federation correspond to and what is the minimum service life in the previous rank?
    1. mister-red
      mister-red 13 August 2020 21: 14 New
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      Quote: Gato
      By the way, what position does the marshal's rank in the Russian Federation correspond to and what is the minimum service life in the previous rank?

      In peacetime, Minister of Defense, Chief of General Staff and district commanders. In any case, it was so under the USSR.
      1. Gato
        Gato 13 August 2020 23: 38 New
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        under the USSR

        I know how it was under the USSR, but how is it now? As far as I know, NGSH is not a marshal's position. Although, the organizational staff seems to be stamped.
        1. iouris
          iouris 13 August 2020 23: 46 New
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          The commander-in-chief of the services of the USSR Armed Forces became marshals. The districts were commanded by colonel-generals (three stars), army generals (four stars). But the number of the district was the same as the number of the RF Armed Forces.
          1. Gato
            Gato 13 August 2020 23: 56 New
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            But the number of the district was the same as the number of the RF Armed Forces

            I'm about the same. The commander of the Internal Affairs Directorate in general could formally receive a generalissimo on the basis of commanding the troops of several states.
            I mean the "fork" of ranks in the organizational staff, well, for example, battalion: kn - p / p-k, regiment: p / p-k, p-k (and the general will not be assigned to the regiment)
  16. Million
    Million 13 August 2020 19: 32 New
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    At least they would give Putin a medal ... or else they praise, they praise, but they don't give a medal ...
    1. Gato
      Gato 13 August 2020 20: 42 New
      +5
      but they don't give a medal

      Aha, Shoigu comes to him and says:
      - Vladimir Vladimirich, I've decided to introduce you to the medal "XX Years of Impeccable Service"!
      And he told him:
      - Kuzhugetovech-oglu, and what are you hinting at?
      Why GDP Medal? He is his own medal, monument and certificate of honor.
    2. iouris
      iouris 13 August 2020 23: 48 New
      0
      To do this, you must enter Rotterdam through Copenhagen.
    3. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 14 August 2020 22: 47 New
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      V. V. Putin has the Order of the Badge of Honor in 1988, the Order of Honor - 12.03.1996/2/3, the medal "For Impeccable Service" - 5 and 1998 degrees. Also V.V. Putin is the Honored coach of Russia in sambo on June 4446, XNUMX and the Master of Sports of the USSR in judo and sambo. In Kyrgyzstan there is the Peak of Vladimir Putin - the height is XNUMXm. You can see the rest on Wikipedia.
  17. RUnnm
    RUnnm 13 August 2020 19: 50 New
    +1
    To be honest, my personal opinion is that in peacetime it is not worth assigning such a title. Although, perhaps, this is the mentality of the past, the era of wars of millions of armies.
  18. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 13 August 2020 20: 02 New
    -5
    Quote: Atlant-1164
    shame .. this is when the admins do not delete you from the list of members of the forum VO! for insulting a WWII warrior !!

    VO administrators are very respectful of the laws of the Russian Federation, especially the law on the media !!! drinks

    And if you do not respect the laws of the country in which you live, then these are already your problems bully
  19. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 13 August 2020 20: 13 New
    -11
    Quote: Turist1996
    Where did he cross YOUR path through life for you ?!

    Was that your question for me? repeat
    Then I answer ... August 19, 1991 ... Yazov was among the others ... pee-pee ... made an attempt to seize power in the USSR and thus deprived the USSR in the end ... The people of the USSR voted to preserve the USSR !! ! And these ... pee-pee ... tried to seize power in the USSR and cancel the voting results !!! am
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 14 August 2020 10: 27 New
      +1
      Yazov, as part of others ... pee-pee ... made an attempt to seize power in the USSR and thus lost the USSR in the end

      The people of the USSR voted to preserve the USSR !!! And these ... pee-pee ... tried to seize power in the USSR and cancel the voting results !!!

      I don’t understand, are you writing from a parallel reality? Have you saved the USSR? After all, Yazov could not seize power and cancel the voting results. This means that the Union, as the residents voted, was preserved.
      In our reality, everything happened differently: not giving a damn about the referendum and the expression of the will of the inhabitants of the USSR, a band of impostors dissolved the USSR by signing an agreement in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, and those who tried to prevent this were dismissed from their posts. She began to bend her line, and when the parliament tried to interfere with this, she shot him from tanks. This is the kind of democracy we had.
  20. mister-red
    mister-red 13 August 2020 21: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Crown without virus
    Quote: Turist1996
    Where did he cross YOUR path through life for you ?!

    Was that your question for me? repeat
    Then I answer ... August 19, 1991 ... Yazov was among the others ... pee-pee ... made an attempt to seize power in the USSR and thus deprived the USSR in the end ... The people of the USSR voted to preserve the USSR !! ! And these ... pee-pee ... tried to seize power in the USSR and cancel the voting results !!! am

    In those years I thought so too. But in fact Gorbachev had to be stopped somewhere in 86-87. It's just too late in the 91st blo.
  21. Vladimir Monomakh_2
    Vladimir Monomakh_2 13 August 2020 21: 32 New
    +6
    Quote: Turist1996
    But in the "holy" USA "marshals" are like lights on a New Year tree: aviation, judicial and local. Especially "gorgeous" Marshal from "Rimbaud: First Blood"! Strong, infection, the actor played with all his might! I'm not talking about Stallone !!!

    Yes, only there, these are positions, not titles, which are not there as such at all.
    1. Gato
      Gato 13 August 2020 23: 44 New
      +1
      which are not there as such

      Very much even there, they just strictly correlate with the position and, as it were, are not personal. For example, the rank of 5-star general can be assigned temporarily. We, however, too, but to demote one must perform some outstanding "feat".
  22. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 13 August 2020 22: 01 New
    +2
    I wonder what the kuzhegetich will put on himself if the marshal's shoulder straps are attached to him
  23. pereselenec
    pereselenec 13 August 2020 22: 19 New
    -1
    Why don't we have marshals?


    Because Putin doesn't want to be a marshal. Closer to 2036, we'll see if it will make itself.
  24. Pavel57
    Pavel57 13 August 2020 22: 22 New
    +4
    About Beria it is controversial that they were tried. There is a version that he was killed during the storming of his house. In fact, Khrushch staged a coup.
  25. Radikal
    Radikal 14 August 2020 00: 46 New
    0
    Quote: KCA
    Do you even know the divisions from which the Russian Guard was formed? This is not some new punitive structure, but everyone knows:

    Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia,
    Special Forces Center of Rapid Reaction Forces and Aviation of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia,
    Special rapid response units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia,
    Special mobile units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia,
    Private security units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia,
    Subdivisions of licensing and permitting work of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

    We're on course - what's next? winked
  26. Radikal
    Radikal 14 August 2020 00: 59 New
    0
    Why are there no marshals in the modern Russian army?
    There is a proposal to look at the statute of the title of "marshal", then maybe many questions and comments would be unnecessary? winked Wikipedia is so primitive - I would change its name with a corresponding bias, which does not give the wording, and the statute of the title of Marshal of the Russian Federation, or the USSR. In short, Wikipedia is compiled and edited ... Wikipedia! I can’t find any other explanation. lol
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  27. Joker62
    Joker62 14 August 2020 06: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Crown without virus
    Quote: Atlant-1164
    shame .. this is when the admins do not delete you from the list of members of the forum VO! for insulting a WWII warrior !!

    During the Soviet era there was an article - even a number of articles in the Criminal Code - for betraying the Motherland !!! am For treason, for the violent seizure of power ... For Yazov, a whole bunch of such articles !!! am

    Yazov defended the Constitution, not the seizure of power at the head of a scoundrel-alkonaut and a marked coward who truly betrayed his people! Here they must be pinned, not Yazov!
  28. Maxim Aranson
    Maxim Aranson 14 August 2020 15: 46 New
    -5
    You yourself are confusing something. "Four-star" shoulder straps of an army general in the Soviet Union. nor in Russia was. Here is a sample of shoulder straps:
    https://forums-su.com/download/file.php?id=3518807&mode=view/%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB-%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%B8-2.jpg
    Хотя бы посмотрите в неуважаемой всеми Википедии https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB_%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%B8_(%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0)
    Four stars on the shoulder straps of an army general in the United States.
    So you don't have to write long articles if you don't know the material.
    1. Alex koch
      Alex koch 14 August 2020 18: 09 New
      +2
      No, you are confusing

      http://mil.ru/winner_may/history/[email protected]
      And in this wiki article everything is perfectly visible ... winked
  29. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 14 August 2020 19: 25 New
    -4
    Quote: glory1974
    Yazov, as part of others ... pee-pee ... made an attempt to seize power in the USSR and thus lost the USSR in the end

    The people of the USSR voted to preserve the USSR !!! And these ... pee-pee ... tried to seize power in the USSR and cancel the voting results !!!

    I don’t understand, are you writing from a parallel reality? Have you saved the USSR? After all, Yazov could not seize power and cancel the voting results. This means that the Union, as the residents voted, was preserved.
    In our reality, everything happened differently: not giving a damn about the referendum and the expression of the will of the inhabitants of the USSR, a band of impostors dissolved the USSR by signing an agreement in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, and those who tried to prevent this were dismissed from their posts. She began to bend her line, and when the parliament tried to interfere with this, she shot him from tanks. This is the kind of democracy we had.

    In my "parallel universe" the people of the USSR voted to preserve the USSR !!!
    And - in your own words - "a gang of renegades" tried to seize power in the USSR and to stop the will of the people !!! am And Yazov was one of them !!! belay

    I would forgive him that too ... if August 19, 1991 PERSONALLY !!! have not heard that this "gang" is going to US !!! army men !!! send for potatoes !!! am am am

    Hack it on your nose and pass it on to your grandchildren - army students NOBODY !!! I had no right then to send for potatoes !!!! good
    1. Farewell
      Farewell 15 August 2020 21: 49 New
      +1
      What is this strange status - a student soldier?
  30. Vadmir
    Vadmir 14 August 2020 21: 39 New
    0
    I fully agree that the rank of Marshal should not be awarded in peacetime. But the fact that army generals wear marshal stars is not correct.
    1. zenion
      zenion 17 August 2020 16: 55 New
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      These are not marshal stars, this is the star of an army general.
  31. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 15 August 2020 22: 24 New
    -3
    Quote: Adieu
    What is this strange status - a student soldier?

    This is the student whom the Motherland (bypassing everyone with armor) called to defend herself, we served honestly 2 of our years - there were about 1 million of them. soldier
    1. Mityasha
      Mityasha 17 August 2020 06: 05 New
      0
      Since the "army men-students" were in active military service, they were obliged to fulfill the requirements of the regulations and orders unquestioningly on an equal footing with everyone else. Failure to comply with an order is a crime. The Minister of Defense has all the authority to order his subordinates (who you are) and demand the execution of the order. A soldier is prohibited from discussing orders. The military man is obliged to comply with it, and then appeal. Otherwise, he is a criminal. Don't write nonsense, soldier!
  32. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 17 August 2020 07: 07 New
    0
    This Marshal Sergeev has done a lot of things with solid propellants. They have been making a rocket for 22 years. Well, him, these marshals. Recently I learned that the R-39-R-23 series missiles were placed in mines in Ukraine. 87 pieces stood all over Ukraine. That is why tights and light bulbs disappeared in our time ... laughing tongue wassat
  33. zenion
    zenion 17 August 2020 16: 54 New
    0
    The rank of marshal is awarded for fighting, defeating the enemy's army and capturing fortresses. For this you need to fight, or have high relatives. Or take an oath to support and kill all enemies.
  34. Lew
    Lew 15 September 2020 13: 48 New
    0
    it's weird to get a general without ever sniffing gunpowder ... not to mention becoming an MO.