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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has banned the wearing of Soviet awards not related to the Great Patriotic War

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Order of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine No. 238 of June 30, 2020 changed from July 28 the Rules for wearing military uniforms and insignia. Among other things, it defines a new order of wearing awards.


This is reported by the Ukrainian portal Ukrainian Military Pages.

It is interesting that, unlike the previous edition (Order No. 606), the new Rules actually prohibit the wearing of state and departmental awards of the former Soviet Union. The only exceptions are commemorative medals and other awards dedicated to "anniversaries of the events of World War II." In fact, in Ukraine, the term "Great Patriotic War" is not officially used. In official documents, the term "World War II" is used. Wearing such is allowed, although here is a legal incident. After all, they fall under Article 4 of the Law of Ukraine "On the condemnation of the communist and national-socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes in Ukraine and on the prohibition of the propaganda of their symbols."

The wearing of any badges in the form of orders and medals not mentioned in the new Rules is prohibited.

The list also mentions awards related to the 2014 coup in Kiev and the war against the population of Donbass. This is the so-called Order of the Heavenly Hundred, the insignia of the President of Ukraine "For participation in the anti-terrorist operation" and "For humanitarian participation in the anti-terrorist operation", the badge "Participant of the ATO".

It is noteworthy that participation in the Joint Forces Operation (JF), as the operation in Donbass has been called since 2018 instead of the ATO, is not marked with any signs or awards.

In connection with the new interpretation of the law, problems with wearing awards may arise for those Ukrainian servicemen who at one time participated in hostilities in Afghanistan (1979-1989) and were awarded orders and medals.
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  1. Coconut
    Coconut 12 August 2020 16: 50 New
    10
    But what about medals and badges for labor. ?? they were awarded until the 80s .. or those who did not sleep enough were malnourished .. stuck to our common homeland .. their side? in these signs and medals their whole life .. and these are your fathers and grandfathers ..
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 August 2020 17: 07 New
      33
      Quote: Coco
      But what about medals and badges for labor. ?? they were awarded until the 80s .. or those who did not sleep enough were malnourished .. stuck to our common homeland .. their side? in these signs and medals their whole life .. and these are your fathers and grandfathers ..

      I believe that those who adopted this law do not have relatives who were malnourished and injected into our Motherland.
      1. Shilka
        Shilka 12 August 2020 17: 32 New
        25
        Quote: Egoza
        I believe that those who adopted this law do not have relatives who were malnourished and injected into our Motherland.

        That's right, they are the descendants of Bandera and other policemen ..
        How many home front workers and veterans of labor, having read this law, will simply grab their hearts from resentment and injustice .. Let them live quietly, they have a little left .. But no, they are in a hurry to erase the Stalinist generation that created the great country and the foundation of what we are We use seisas .. This is how much the Soviet generation created, that even in 25 years of "democracy" they could not plunder everything ..
        Disgracers and traitors, Western bedding ..
        1. Vladimir_6
          Vladimir_6 12 August 2020 18: 45 New
          +8
          Quote: Shilka
          That's right, they are the descendants of Bandera and other policemen ..

          "Andrei Vasilievich Taran, was born on March 4, 1955 in Frankfurt an der Oder (GDR) in the family of a military serviceman who served in the group of Soviet forces in Germany of the Armed Forces of the USSR."
          I wonder if his father had any awards? And if so, what did this Judas do with them? Throw it away, or hid it in case of a change of power?
          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 12 August 2020 18: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir_6
            Threw it away, or hid it in case of a change of power?


            1. Nikolai Korovin
              Nikolai Korovin 12 August 2020 19: 12 New
              0
              And why is there popularly beloved Savely Kramarov, I am not entering? Pskopskiy then pskopskiy, and skis pricked up ... And miscalculated. His image was in demand only on his native soil, and behind a puddle he did not wake up any thin strings in anyone.
              1. Serg koma
                Serg koma 12 August 2020 19: 24 New
                +6
                Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                And why is the popularly beloved Savely Kramarov

                It's not about the actor, it's about the role. And if you are a lover of cinema and your favorite actor Savely Kramorov, you might know at least the year of birth - 1934. The film "We are from Kronstadt" in 1936.
                PS I don’t give you a minus - I leave the hope that you will watch the film, and after that you won’t ask the question: "What is it for?"
            2. Shilka
              Shilka 12 August 2020 20: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: Serg Koma
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              Threw it away, or hid it in case of a change of power?



              Thank you, you made my day straight today good .. I remember this episode of the film, it is very reminiscent of the 90s and especially now Ukraine and Belarus .. heh heh bully
              This is how we live, our television often shows such films, but alas, the wrong ones are in there and they won't show us that. hi
          2. Shilka
            Shilka 12 August 2020 19: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir_6
            Quote: Shilka
            That's right, they are the descendants of Bandera and other policemen ..

            "Andrei Vasilievich Taran, was born on March 4, 1955 in Frankfurt an der Oder (GDR) in the family of a military serviceman who served in the group of Soviet forces in Germany of the Armed Forces of the USSR."
            I wonder if his father had any awards? And if so, what did this Judas do with them? Throw it away, or hid it in case of a change of power?

            Maybe he handed over to an elderly house or threatened not to speak .. There, after all, on the outskirts, everything is intertwined. One hero of the Great Patriotic War, and his relative served in the policemen, etc.
            I remembered a joke: I think just in the subject of cunning

            It was then under Khrushche that the slow collapse of the USSR began .. They took revenge on us for their fear and humiliation of the bastard .. Well, nothing!
            PS Such anecdotes are usually the Jews invented their style
            1. Vladimir_6
              Vladimir_6 12 August 2020 19: 52 New
              -1
              Quote: Shilka
              Maybe he handed over to an elderly home or threatened not to speak ..

              I could not find information about his father Vasily Taran. Maybe one of the comrades owns.
            2. Vladimir_6
              Vladimir_6 12 August 2020 20: 07 New
              -1
              It was then under Khrushche that the slow collapse of the USSR began .. They took revenge on us for their fear and humiliation of the bastard .. Well, nothing!

        2. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 12 August 2020 20: 35 New
          0
          "That's right, they are the descendants of Bandera and other policemen ..
          How many home front workers and veterans of labor, having read this law, will simply grab their hearts out of resentment and injustice. "
          To my deep regret, there is no justice in life. There never was and never will be. This is the conclusion I made for myself during my forty-five years of stay on Earth.
          1. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 12 August 2020 21: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Benzorez
            To my deep regret, there is no justice in life. There never was and never will be. This is the conclusion I made for myself during my forty-five years of stay on Earth.

            Life is the path of cognition of Good and Evil. You should not look for happiness and justice on this path.
            You have to create it yourself.
            If you want to be happy, be happy.
            If you love justice, be fair to everyone yourself.
            This is the conclusion I made for myself during my sixty-six years of stay on Earth.
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 August 2020 21: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Shilka
          That's right, they are the descendants of Bandera and other policemen ..

          The medal "Honorable Bandera" will appear soon.
      2. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 12 August 2020 17: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        I believe that those who adopted this law do not have relatives who were malnourished and injected into our Motherland.

        Not. They are just citizens of the USSR, they built what is now prohibited in Ukraine - a free Socialist country. Well, the concept of "Ukraine" was also born thanks to the Bolsheviks. And they claim to be the progenitors of humanity.
      3. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 12 August 2020 19: 06 New
        +1
        These are the descendants of those who came out of the greenhouse when our dear Nikita Sergeevich pardoned them.
      4. APASUS
        APASUS 12 August 2020 20: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        I believe that those who adopted this law do not have relatives who were malnourished and injected into our Motherland.

        Yes, they all have and they all know! Pereobulis in the air. Wait a little more and see how they will stigmatize their like-minded people.
        Farion, Irina Dmitrievna
        Member of the Komsomol since September 1978
        In April 1987, Irina Farion became a candidate member of the CPSU and received party card No. 08932425, and a year later, on April 15, 1988, she was admitted to the party (State Archives of the Lviv region, fund P-92, inventory 2, file 258)


        That's right BAM! from communists to nationalists?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 August 2020 21: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: APASUS
          That's right BAM! from communists to nationalists?

          Or maybe vice versa, from nationalists to the CPSU. This is how the OUN promoted its people, and some were in the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine (you many know the full name).
    2. 210ox
      210ox 12 August 2020 17: 18 New
      +3
      I can only say one thing. "Ivans", not remembering kinship. Low, petty people.
      1. Old Horseradish
        Old Horseradish 12 August 2020 17: 52 New
        -6
        It is better to look in the mirror before vilifying Ukraine. We all need to shut up. We betrayed and sold our country to the USSR. And now what remains for us is to lick one place for the oligarchy.
        1. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 12 August 2020 19: 10 New
          0
          Don't over-generalize. Someone really betrayed, and someone had a different opinion, but could not do anything. As they say, there is a nuance.
        2. Terenin
          Terenin 12 August 2020 22: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Old Horseradish
          Before vilifying Ukraine

          Why did this Polish-Magyar cross between Farion and the Bandera gang become the whole of Ukraine?

          By the way, you have not forgotten in your fiery appeal
          Quote: Old Horseradish
          We betrayed and sold our country to the USSR.
          include Ukraine there?

          Well, so if
          Quote: Old Horseradish
          We all need to shut up
          then how will we be, with you, qualitatively (otherwise we cannot winked )
          Quote: Old Horseradish
          lick one place for oligarchy
          crying
      2. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 12 August 2020 19: 17 New
        0
        Well, there are many of those falling under the forbidden word, and the farther west, the thicker. But still, not all of them. And on the Left Bank the people were absolutely normal. Little Russians, almost without exception, speak Russian. I have been to Ukraine quite a lot, mostly to the left bank, most often to Kiev. I didn’t hear Mova except in the Selyavisor and on the radio. But, of course, many have also been bullied.
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        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 August 2020 21: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Nikolai Korovin
          But, of course, many have also been bullied.
          Now it is called "national identity". All one to one as with blacks in the United States. Maybe they will soon shout "Ukrainian life ....."
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 August 2020 21: 22 New
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        Low, petty people.

        With a saucepan on your head, for American pasta.
    3. Vend
      Vend 12 August 2020 17: 20 New
      -1
      Quote: Coco
      But what about medals and badges for labor. ?? they were awarded until the 80s .. or those who did not sleep enough were malnourished .. stuck to our common homeland .. their side? in these signs and medals their whole life .. and these are your fathers and grandfathers ..

      Yes, Svidomo is all on the side, they have democracy laughing
    4. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 12 August 2020 17: 36 New
      0
      And the master overseas to spit from the skyscraper who worked there, the awards of enemies (and we are their enemy) in the territories under their control are prohibited.
    5. Turist1996
      Turist1996 12 August 2020 18: 10 New
      0
      Well, in theory, they in no way belong to the Ministry of Defense - they are not combat ones. They will rather include "Soviet symbols".
    6. Turist1996
      Turist1996 12 August 2020 18: 22 New
      0
      Here we are talking about military awards .. About labor another "article" will be found. There are enough talents for this.
    7. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 12 August 2020 19: 04 New
      +1
      It is pointless to appeal to the conscience of those who adopt such laws in Ukraine. It's all the same that personally with Hitler to agree on this matter.
      1. Dmitry Donskoy
        Dmitry Donskoy 12 August 2020 19: 25 New
        +2
        It's somehow one-sided, because houses and roads were built by the communists at one time. Everything must be broken and there will be happiness. good
    8. vkl.47
      vkl.47 12 August 2020 20: 14 New
      0
      What miserable they are, smelly rats. They fight with veterans.
    9. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 12 August 2020 22: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Coco
      But what about medals and badges for labor. ?? they were awarded until the 80s .. or those who did not sleep enough were malnourished .. stuck to our common homeland .. their side? in these signs and medals their whole life .. and these are your fathers and grandfathers ..

      Their non-Dominant Defense Minister Styopa Poltorak graduated from the Ordzhonikidze Military School of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs in 1987 and has a sign of its completion. Now he will have to bury it, more it is totalitarian, and Steppe himself, instead of a sign, file a trident out of a cast-iron gear with a file indicating that he is a military nugget. lol
      They have, along the way, 99% of the highest military leaders come from Soviet military schools, some commanders of businessmen and clowns.
    10. mintai_kot
      mintai_kot 14 August 2020 16: 33 New
      0
      Prohibit going to schools built by the Communists, as well as visiting houses of culture, sports palaces, taking the subway, using Zh.D. transport, burning and destroying factories, power plant factories, etc. all this was built in the tsarist or Soviet Malorosia-Ukraine. It's easier to GIVE the Galician scum ......... on the neck and live normally
  2. Poetry
    Poetry 12 August 2020 16: 52 New
    13
    Orders and medals received for Afghanistan are dumb to wear, but is it honorable for a punitive operation in Donbass? Animal world.
    1. Alex bergman
      Alex bergman 12 August 2020 18: 43 New
      0
      Exactly! In the animal world!!!
      1. Alex bergman
        Alex bergman 12 August 2020 18: 47 New
        +5
        404th to recognize the country reviving Nazism. Introduce sanctions. Ban the symbols of the country. And at the embassy, ​​the yellow-blakit one should be replaced with a rainbow one forcibly on the basis of a ban, so that everyone knows who they are contacting.;)))
      2. Poetry
        Poetry 12 August 2020 18: 59 New
        -2
        Uncle Kolya Drozdov is not on them.
  3. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 12 August 2020 16: 53 New
    +4
    In Ukraine, the theater is obsurd ... recourse request
    By and large, it is necessary to divide Ukraine (not we - but the "Ukrainian people" itself) into two sub-Ukraine - "western" and "eastern" and peacefully "divorce" good
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 12 August 2020 17: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: Crown without virus
      By and large, it is necessary to divide Ukraine (not we - but the "Ukrainian people" itself) into two sub-Ukraine - "western" and "eastern" and peacefully "divorce"

      The people are divided not according to the territorial principle, but according to the moral and ideological component of individuals. In the central and southeastern territories of Ukraine, there is no less nationalist and neo-fascist shit than in the west. And in the western regions, who is also "painting over" the monuments of Bandera and ATOs? So there are normal people there too!
    2. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 12 August 2020 19: 20 New
      -1
      Kiev, Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa should remain in "Vostochnaya". Zhytomyr or Vinnitsa should be the capital of "Western". Lviv will go to the Poles or become the capital of independent Galicia.
  4. BIABIA
    BIABIA 12 August 2020 16: 55 New
    +6
    In Afghanistan, fighters with real terrorist bandits fought, shed blood. Now they are not held in high esteem in Ukraine. Tin ...
    1. Shilka
      Shilka 12 August 2020 17: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: BIABIA
      In Afghanistan, fighters with real terrorist bandits fought, shed blood. Now they are not held in high esteem in Ukraine. Tin ...

      Even under Stalin, it was not forbidden to wear St. George's crosses for the First World War, although there were few of them by that time, the civil revolution grinded many ..
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 12 August 2020 22: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: Shilka
        Quote: BIABIA
        In Afghanistan, fighters with real terrorist bandits fought, shed blood. Now they are not held in high esteem in Ukraine. Tin ...

        Even under Stalin, it was not forbidden to wear St. George's crosses for the First World War, although there were few of them by that time, the civil revolution grinded many ..

        Among the order-bearers, the Ukrainian authorities have amassed opposition, but these scum are working for the future generation, corroding everything connected with the USSR, and therefore with Russia. The Anglo-Saxon's grip is felt.
  5. RUnnm
    RUnnm 12 August 2020 16: 59 New
    +4
    Well, how can this territorial misunderstanding be treated as a normal country? Just crush this brown infection. And never give Donbass back to Ukraine. Only to Russia. And conduct competent propaganda among young people. To give grants for education, to lure away specialists in working specialties, engineers, to destroy all economic ties that are beneficial for Ukraine. Just drive the rest of them into the Middle Ages. Until they are denazified
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 12 August 2020 22: 39 New
      0
      Quote: RUnnm
      And conduct competent propaganda among young people. Provide grants for education, entice workers in working specialties, engineers, destroy all economic ties beneficial for Ukraine

      Moscow is beyond the power of soft power. It is expensive and difficult.
      But earning a negative image and screwing up the old Soviet one is easy.
      There are already no economic ties to break. And the level fell, which is unprofitable to go to Russia.
      It is necessary to be able to carry out competent propaganda. Moreover, they do not know how with their own, but here it is a stranger .. Difficult expensive and not necessary
      To drag and not to let go. But it doesn't work.
  6. antivirus
    antivirus 12 August 2020 17: 04 New
    -3
    we will never be brothers ..
    .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ................ only by neighbors
    1. Poetry
      Poetry 12 August 2020 17: 08 New
      +6
      One who was once our brother
      Minami worked squarely.
      Who was with us the same Faith,
      Jumps now under the flags of Bandera.
  7. Constanty
    Constanty 12 August 2020 17: 06 New
    +4
    What the hell. History is history. Someone who deserves a medal or order is entitled to it - and wear it too!
    1. 210ox
      210ox 12 August 2020 17: 21 New
      +1
      What about the "Order of Judas"? In high esteem, probably.
      1. Alex bergman
        Alex bergman 12 August 2020 18: 50 New
        0
        The Order of the Stooped is held in high esteem!
  8. tatra
    tatra 12 August 2020 17: 08 New
    -1
    For the fact that the Soviet communists forbade something to the enemies of the communists, they called the communists totalitarians, and the enemies of the communists themselves believe that they have every right to "prohibit and not let go," "to shut the mouths of dissidents, to declare them" enemies of the people, agents of enemy states " , prohibit TV channels and radio stations, carry out political repression, and call it all "freedom and democracy."
    1. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 12 August 2020 19: 25 New
      +1
      This is not so much a matter of communism as of Russophobia. They press on all fronts. As they said in the early 90s - "they were aiming at communism, they ended up in Russia." In general, the West does not care what the political system is in Russia. It is too big, even now, and therefore it is advisable to reduce it to the size under Ivan the Terrible. Until they succeed, they will not calm down.
  9. RUnnm
    RUnnm 12 August 2020 17: 08 New
    +1
    One nuance. I understood correctly that since this is an order of the Ministry of Defense, it does not apply to persons who do not belong to the military. Or civilians, who were in Afghanistan, who were awarded during the service, too, is it now impossible? Can't the order of the Ministry of Defense apply to civilians ?!
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 12 August 2020 17: 20 New
      +3
      RUnnm (nnm)
      You are a naive comrade. The Nazis tore the ribbons of St. George from people on the day of victory. Now they will accept this order as a guide to action. There are very few WWII veterans left, but those who fought in Afghanistan, the more careful you will have to be. Or, alternatively, to rally and repel the Nazis. Although Ukrainian propaganda is doing its dirty deed. I know from my own experience. Several of my classmates, not only Ukrainians, but also Russians, really see us, Russians, as enemies
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 12 August 2020 17: 24 New
        +3
        Yes I know. All this is aimed at - by any means to break the last ties between people and countries. Make anti-Russia out of Ukraine. And for the sake of this goal, Ukraine will be forgiven. Even neo-Nazism at the state level. And then they will be surprised - oh, how did they start measuring our skulls again ?!
        1. Bumblebee_3
          Bumblebee_3 12 August 2020 17: 26 New
          +1
          RUnnm (nnm)
          Quote: RUnnm
          And then they will be surprised - oh, how did they start measuring our skulls again ?!

          I think they will not be surprised, they will accept it as a normal action.
          1. RUnnm
            RUnnm 12 August 2020 17: 32 New
            -1
            Unfortunately, I even have nothing to argue with you ...
      2. tatra
        tatra 12 August 2020 17: 46 New
        -4
        The enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR are the endless Theater of the Absurd. So, the Russian enemies of the communists imposed the award ribbon of the Order of St. George on the Russian Empire as a symbol of the Victory of the USSR and the Soviet people, and the Ukrainian enemies of the communists hated this ribbon of the Russian Empire for the fact that the Russian enemies of the communists took Crimea away from them.
        1. Bumblebee_3
          Bumblebee_3 12 August 2020 18: 14 New
          +1
          tatra (Irina)
          Irina, if you mean the communists of the 30s - 40s, of the last century, then I agree with you. The communists of the 80s - 90s are a completely different calico. They are the reason for the collapse of my homeland.
          1. tatra
            tatra 12 August 2020 18: 20 New
            -7
            Your answer to me is "neither to the village, nor to the city." I wrote about the enemies of the communists.
            1. Bumblebee_3
              Bumblebee_3 12 August 2020 19: 29 New
              0
              tatra (Irina)
              I beg your pardon, apparently I misunderstood you.
        2. RUnnm
          RUnnm 12 August 2020 18: 28 New
          -2
          1. If in Russia you don’t have a St. George ribbon, but in Ukraine, will the consequences be the same? If "no", then the comparison is inappropriate.
          2. Nobody took Crimea away from anyone. During an armed coup d'etat, the population of Crimea clearly had all the rights to self-determination.
          1. tatra
            tatra 12 August 2020 18: 42 New
            -4
            You justify the impudent falsification of historical facts, and the fact that the enemies of the communists were not satisfied with dividing the USSR among themselves, they also began to take territories from each other. And if the inhabitants of Kaliningrad want to return it to the Germans, are you also this excuse?
            1. RUnnm
              RUnnm 12 August 2020 18: 47 New
              -1
              Let me be more specific. What historical facts are you talking about falsification?
              1. tatra
                tatra 12 August 2020 18: 55 New
                -2
                Yes, the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR are all over the anomaly of mankind, including through the blatant, demonstrative falsification of the history of their country for the sake of profit in your anti-Soviet system. This has never happened in world history before you, to make a symbol of the Victory of one State an award symbol of another State. It is as if the communists would have gone to such a blatant falsification to make the Red Banner a symbol of the Victory of the Russian Empire in the Patriotic War of 1812. And you avoided answering my question about Kaliningrad.
                1. RUnnm
                  RUnnm 12 August 2020 19: 01 New
                  -3
                  Clear. You shouldn't expect specific examples from you. Or are all your "historical falsifications" just your speculation about the legality of the RF use of the St. George ribbon? It's all ?! Or will there be real examples of falsification?
                  1. tatra
                    tatra 12 August 2020 19: 03 New
                    -4
                    Well, the cowardly twisting of the enemy of the communists began. All the best, don't get sick.
                    1. RUnnm
                      RUnnm 12 August 2020 19: 16 New
                      0
                      Just for the sake of interest .... why in the USSR, during the Second World War, they began to raise the topic of the victories of Alexander Nevsky, Nakhimov, is proud of these events?)))) Did they belong to the period of the Union's existence? Or what is the difference between these facts using the RF St.George ribbon?))
                      And thanks for the wishes. Mutually.
                      1. Bumblebee_3
                        Bumblebee_3 12 August 2020 19: 40 New
                        +3
                        RUnnm (nnm
                        Sorry to interfere with your dialogue with Irina, but I didn't understand her at all.
                      2. Terenin
                        Terenin 12 August 2020 22: 30 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Bumblebee_3
                        but I didn't understand her at all.

                        Well, nothing is lost no

                        Quote: Bumblebee_3
                        Sorry to interfere with your dialogue with Irina
                        he the same Irina as Karl Marx
                        Quote: tatra
                        enemy of the communists
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 12 August 2020 19: 34 New
      -2
      I propose to attach the St. George Ribbon to the "baseball bat" or paint the bat itself in the colors of the St. George Ribbon ... And "hallow" with a bat any "unreasonable", maybe even a little "foolishness" will pour out of my head ... maybe.
  10. rich
    rich 12 August 2020 18: 00 New
    +5
    The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has banned the wearing of Soviet awards not related to the Great Patriotic War

    I carefully studied the Order of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine No. 238 of June 30, 2020, which changed from July 28 the "Rules for wearing military uniforms and insignia of servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine" and came to the conclusion that this article is somewhat disingenuous. Nothing about the prohibition of wearing Soviet awards that are not related to the Great Patriotic War is not spelled out in this order. Yes, however, you yourself can easily verify this by reading it
    link - http://search.ligazakon.ua/l_doc2.nsf/link1/RE34946.html
    True, it is in Ukrainian, but no one has canceled the online translator yet.
    Maybe the respected author was referring to some other order, and not the Order of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine No. 238 dated June 30, 2020?
    1. Avior
      Avior 12 August 2020 18: 30 New
      +3
      in fact, the article is disingenuous in another
      In official documents, the term "World War II" is used. Wearing such is allowed, although here is a legal incident. After all, they fall under Article 4 of the Law of Ukraine "On the condemnation of the communist and national-socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes in Ukraine and on the prohibition of the propaganda of their symbols."

      in fact, in that very article 4 of this law there is paragraph 3, which lists what the law does not apply, including awards related to the Second World War.
      But it seems that the author himself understands that if you do not half cunning about the awards of the Second World War and the order of the Ministry of Defense, then there is nothing more to write about in the article.
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 12 August 2020 18: 54 New
        -1
        True? Well, he never understands? ".... The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has banned the wearing of Soviet awards, not related to the Great Patriotic War"is the title of the article, in case you haven't noticed.
        1. Avior
          Avior 12 August 2020 19: 24 New
          0
          And you read the comment to which my comment relates.
          There is also a link.
    2. RUnnm
      RUnnm 12 August 2020 18: 32 New
      -1
      The article makes a different eyeliner to this - it is forbidden to wear something that is not listed in the rules.
      1. rich
        rich 12 August 2020 19: 17 New
        +2
        Those who have served are well aware that this order is absolutely no different from similar orders "Rules for wearing military uniforms and insignia" of other countries, at least the same Soviet one. True, there was one line - Awards of foreign states are located below state awards. ”This is not the case. That's actually the whole difference
    3. Undecim
      Undecim 12 August 2020 22: 00 New
      +2
      that this article is somewhat disingenuous
      So the article is for ukrosracha, not information. And for srach, you need the appropriate sauce in the form of bullshit.
  11. Cristall
    Cristall 12 August 2020 23: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: RUnnm
    I correctly understood that since this is an order of the Ministry of Defense, then it does not apply to persons who are not military personnel

    right
    Quote: RUnnm
    Or civilians, who were in Afghani, who were awarded during the service, are also not allowed now

    They are not in the ranks of the Armed Forces and therefore are not subordinate to the Ministry of Defense.
    Quote: RUnnm
    Can't the order of the Ministry of Defense apply to civilians ?!

    The Ministry of Defense is responsible only for the Armed Forces, civilians are not subject to them.
    Order of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine No. 238 of 30.06.2020/28/XNUMX, which, from July XNUMX, changed the Rules for wearing military uniforms in the Armed Forces of the country, among other things, determines and the order of wearing awards.
    For example
    1.11. State and departmental awards of the former USSR are placed after the state awards of Ukraine, honorable mentions of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, honorary badges of the Chief of the General Staff
    similarly, the awards are not the USSR.
    1.12. State and departmental awards of foreign states, awards of the United Nations and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization are placed after the state awards of Ukraine, honorable mentions of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, honorary badges of the Chief of the General Staff

    Especially I climbed not too lazy to read the order.
    By the way, there is mainly about the form. But the authors in the Russian Federation needed to find something propagandistic, so they ripped out what they needed and began work.
    So here is the "mandate" itself in electronic form
    http://search.ligazakon.ua/l_doc2.nsf/link1/RE34946.html
    I will not translate. For those who want the truth, it will not be a problem to understand. For stoned, you can trust the authors of the articles. They are writing the truth.
    Vi. Rules for wearing orders, medals, order stitches and stitching of medals on the slats and the signs on the form of clothes
    .

    section on USSR awards
    heights transferred by clause 7 of part three of article 4 to the Law of Ukraine "On the condemnation of the communist and national-socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes in Ukraine and the fence of the propaganda of ichnyi symbolics".

    And the 7th part of the third article of the Law of Ukraine itself.
    6) on the originals of battle banners;
    7) on the sovereign cities, juvenile medals and other signs, which were awarded to individuals until 1991 and between 1991 and 2015 at the time of the period of the Other Holy War, as well as on documents dedicated to them;

    And what happens? Is there any prohibition on the originals of medals? The only thing is that they must be originals!
    All originals of WWII awards are not prohibited.
    While looking for the originals, I immediately noted links on Russian sites to the same article On the Prohibition.
    In general, they seized on another propaganda nonsense and reprinted without verification.
  • Irek
    Irek 12 August 2020 17: 12 New
    +3
    And what to expect from them? Cattle not remembering kinship.
  • Comrade
    Comrade 12 August 2020 17: 14 New
    +8
    Zelensky burns with napalm, even Poroshenko did not think of this - to spit in the face of labor veterans.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 12 August 2020 17: 20 New
      +2
      You might think that someone asked permission from this clown. Surely they were presented with a fact.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 12 August 2020 17: 23 New
      +4
      They pour from one metal. Medal for battle, medal for labor (not my words, as the poet wrote)
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 12 August 2020 17: 16 New
    +6
    That's all the brothers. They said that everything was fine, that there was no banderva. Now you will keep your military awards for the Afghan under the floor and get it with the curtains drawn on holidays forbidden by bastards.
    1. Arthur 85
      Arthur 85 13 August 2020 06: 42 New
      0
      And now I have never been sorry. I have an acquaintance there, a retired colonel. In the XNUMXs I drowned for Tyulka Timoshennitsa ... I have not been in a relationship for a long time, but I hope he is glad.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 12 August 2020 17: 17 New
    +9
    The only medal worthy of an award in modern Tsegabonia ..

    1. Arthur 85
      Arthur 85 13 August 2020 06: 39 New
      0
      It's five! I think that the Russian Federation, as the legal successor of the USSR, should "demote", for example, all Ukrainian cities are heroes for betrayal. Having transferred these titles to Luganchk, Donetsk and Slavyansk. Kiev will be awarded the Order of Judas of the first degree.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 12 August 2020 17: 18 New
    +4
    By the way. There is not a single USSR state award in the photo. Some badges and trinkets for sale.
    1. Avior
      Avior 12 August 2020 18: 49 New
      +1
      But just such "awards" as in the photo, specially made "for Soviet awards", but would definitely forbid, those who really deserve awards are lost against the background of these "iconostases" negative ... They cause very unpleasant feelings.
      Cossack walked off into the distance.

      On the chest was a medal:

      "For courage", "For the victory",

      "For a pleasant chat,"

      "For the scientific works"

      "For the protection of the whole environment",

      two astronaut medals,

      Warcraft player order,

      putting the TRP symbol,

      "Passage THAT",

      Pregnancy Club "Crane",

      Wardrobe DK "Hydraulics",

      "Altavista dot com",

      "Society of fungus patients",

      The captain of the game "Zarnitsa"

      "Gomel mental hospital",

      snuffbox, and flint,

      eight beer caps ...

      hi
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 12 August 2020 23: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: Avior
        But just such "awards" as in the photo, specially made "for Soviet awards", but would definitely forbid, those who really deserve awards are lost against the background of these "iconostases". They cause very unpleasant feelings.

        By the law on symbolism, they are just prohibited for wearing, only for collectors are allowed.
        Originals are allowed. But who here on the site is interested in the truth. The main thing is that the author should submit something so that everyone would be indignant and indignant.
        In Ukraine, it is forbidden to wear copies of awards ...
      2. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 13 August 2020 06: 35 New
        0
        And on his chest shone a medal "For borrowing".
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 12 August 2020 17: 20 New
    +3
    This is so far! A maximum of a couple of years will pass, and ALL orders and medals that have at least some relation to the USSR will be banned! Spitting on history in the Ukrainian homeland is now a natural thing. ..
    1. cniza
      cniza 12 August 2020 17: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      Spitting on history in the Ukrainian homeland is now a natural thing. ..


      This is just far from natural, it is obstinacy and deceit ...
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 12 August 2020 22: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        that is, obstinacy and deceit ...
        in the service of a new master
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 August 2020 09: 13 New
          +3
          Most interestingly, they even surpassed the expectations of the owner ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 12 August 2020 17: 24 New
    +2
    The fight against the Soviet past continues ..
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 12 August 2020 20: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      The fight against the Soviet past continues ..

      Therefore, as the present - of the former Ukrainian SSR, looks terrible ... and its future is ghostly ...
  • fn34440
    fn34440 12 August 2020 17: 30 New
    +2
    Everyone who comes up with this crap, in the end, will become knights of large and small birch crosses.
    Kakly and their owners are the most corrupt, rootless, bloody cosmopolitans in the world.
    1. cniza
      cniza 12 August 2020 17: 50 New
      +3
      I suspect that they won't even have such crosses ...
  • cniza
    cniza 12 August 2020 17: 49 New
    +2
    The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has banned the wearing of Soviet awards not related to the Great Patriotic War


    They continue to struggle with their own history, the end of such a struggle is known ...
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 12 August 2020 22: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: cniza
      the end of such a struggle is known ...
      they are assigned - to remain at the end of this struggle until the end
      1. cniza
        cniza 13 August 2020 09: 14 New
        +3
        Well, yes, until they are used to the last ...
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 12 August 2020 17: 55 New
    +2
    Never mind, the time will come and Ukrainian orders will be banned.
    And Russians will feel ashamed that their parents considered themselves Ukrainians.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 12 August 2020 18: 00 New
    +1
    In connection with the new interpretation of the law, problems with wearing awards may arise for those Ukrainian servicemen who at one time participated in hostilities in Afghanistan (1979-1989) and were awarded orders and medals.
    There are no problems with wearing state awards, they do not fall under the law on symbols.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 12 August 2020 23: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Undecim
      There are no problems with wearing state awards, they do not fall under the law on symbols.

      the originals were never banned. It's just that the Law itself in the Russian Federation is interpreted exclusively in Russian. Banning everything and everyone. And there are a lot of exceptions. And banners can be (originals) and orders. And War and Labor.
      Even the steles of the Hero of Labor still adorn cities.

      with the Heroes of the War (by the way, ribbons on orders)
  • north 2
    north 2 12 August 2020 18: 06 New
    +1
    with such a Ukraine must end before it's too late. Who will give guarantees that it will not appear there soon
    your Hitler. The Ukrainians will be very happy with them, because they have never seen anyone smarter than the primitive Bendery, Poroshenko and Zelensky as leaders in a campaign against Russia. We must not forget how Hitler, kneeling after the First World War, Germany in less than ten years fed, clothed and armed, and the West gave Hitler billions of investments and loans, if only Hitler was well prepared for the war against the USSR. But now in Ukraine, you can quickly create new modern missiles, tanks, warships, etc. And so that the lands of Ukraine do not feed there all those working for this machine of Russophobia and aggression. so the Vedas are more productive than the land of Ukraine there is no other such land even in Germany.
    And how much money will the West give to the new Ukrainian Hitler, as soon as it sees that this one has shoved all the thieves and bribe-takers into prisons and provided work in the military industry for a million workers and designers, and the village feeds them well, so these cash infusions from the West will be huge, if only
    in Ukraine, create a war machine against Russia and raise soldiers there ready to attack Russia.
    It is now so far ridiculous plans of primitive Bandera that they will take away Crimea and Kuban from Russia, and their missiles will sink Russian ships and reach Moscow and the Urals. But there is no need to wait until a Ukrainian Hitler appears in Ukraine with his ideological and organizational talent, so that
    to raise both industry and the people on a campaign against Russia, the Devil, sadly, is also talented. Otherwise, the Russian people and the Lord would not have had to work so much and fight so that this talent of the devil would always win. But on the horns of the devil must be given for the early, so that it would not be common for him to embody his devilish plans.
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf 12 August 2020 18: 20 New
    0
    Soviet awards on this uniform will not look right.
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 12 August 2020 19: 24 New
    -2
    How can I comment on this message? There is no point in scolding and calling names of individuals who adopt such laws. For such concepts as conscience, gratitude and respect for one's parents and grandfathers, decency, etc., are not applicable to the “lawmakers” of the 404 country. Inhumans ... Such a community has no future. Ivans do not remember kinship.
  • Shilka
    Shilka 12 August 2020 19: 48 New
    0
    These are the ones who came to power and their descendants ... But Tonka the machine-gunner (she always had thousands of shot prisoners of war in a mask on her account) was sure that she would not be calculated, she was a veteran leader and taught schoolchildren how she fought heroically in the partisans, on hanging on the boards of honor ..
    She was figured out and shot after 30 years .. And how many of them remained in the vastness of the USSR?

    Remember this guys .. Maybe they are next to you smiling sweetly, but in their hearts they hate you with fierce malice.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 12 August 2020 20: 08 New
    +1
    problems with wearing awards may arise for those Ukrainian military personnel who at one time participated in hostilities in Afghanistan (1979-1989) and were awarded orders and medals

    And also liquidators of the technogenic disaster at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant ... for example ...
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 12 August 2020 20: 28 New
    0
    pomnitsa in 2014, according to UkrTV, the commander of the Kirovograd special forces asked citizens not to merge data on the movement of military columns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the network, there were 2 orders on the chest, apparently from Afghanistan, and now it means they will have to be screwed off the tunic
    1. Shilka
      Shilka 12 August 2020 20: 57 New
      -3
      Quote: Igoresha
      pomnitsa in 2014, according to UkrTV, the commander of the Kirovograd special forces asked citizens not to merge data on the movement of military columns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the network, there were 2 orders on the chest, apparently from Afghanistan, and now it means they will have to be screwed off the tunic

      Now he has the US "purple order" on his chest hehe Or the Turchinovs have overwhelmed him most likely .. The Afghans are unlikely to fight for NATO, who killed their friends and soldiers, if only the most frostbitten soldier Who have no honor, no conscience .. And then they bombed Donbass and continue it .. That's what is scary!
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 12 August 2020 23: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Igoresha
      there were 2 orders on the chest, apparently from Afghanistan, and now it means you have to unscrew from the tunic

      don't have to. If the originals.
      Please check the content of the article with the original order.
      The author did not even check it. He doesn't even know the law and that the originals don't fall under it!
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 13 August 2020 09: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Cristall
        don't have to. If the originals.

        Quote: Cristall
        He doesn't even know the law and that the originals don't fall under it!

        And the originals fall under this video?

        And in Lviv as orders and medals (originals by the way!) From veterans do not remember?
        Have you ever had such a thing in Odessa? Where then can people find the original awards (allowed for wearing in Ukraine)? Say be weasel, great master!

        Or maybe it is Kernes making a break on the video, and the police are afraid to argue, or are they generally bogus?
        Or is this video also Russian propaganda? bully
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 13 August 2020 10: 31 New
          -2
          Quote: Dym71
          And the originals fall under this video?

          The law does not prohibit those who deserve them from wearing originals.
          But there are enough stoned people everywhere. They are for the Order of Glory (there is a guard). But it is also allowed.
          This is a waste of 2014. Russian aggression, the occupation of Crimea, war. And everything that is connected.
          Disruption is not legal.
          I over there gave a picture on the stele calmly guards.
          I can even provide orders with Lenin

          they are even washed, painted and refreshed
          2020
          and there are enough stoned in a frenzy even here on the site
          and their actions are illegal.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 12 August 2020 22: 50 New
    +1
    Democracy in the Ukrainian way.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 12 August 2020 23: 05 New
    +1
    Insanity grows stronger ... uk..r. realities hi
  • bald
    bald 12 August 2020 23: 37 New
    +1
    Here they are in front of my face - four medals for the KV - ChTZ tanks, he was then a master, I was his honest grandson and did the job.
  • georggy
    georggy 13 August 2020 01: 37 New
    0
    This law is for citizens of the European Union and the State Department
  • Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 13 August 2020 06: 31 New
    0
    U-ha-ha ... Well, serve it right. Wipe yourself off. You sat quietly in the 13-14th year while ironing Donbass.
  • atos_kin
    atos_kin 13 August 2020 08: 49 New
    0
    From the beautiful order: "On the central part of the breasts, the identifier of the installed image will be raised, which will be displayed in the name of the service".
  • bulava
    bulava 13 August 2020 10: 11 New
    -3
    Another "victory" over common sense
  • Victorio
    Victorio 13 August 2020 13: 17 New
    0
    yes, and the medal of the mother-heroine, the hero of socialist labor, the veteran of labor, for the salvation of the drowning and so on, so on !?
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 13 August 2020 13: 25 New
    +1
    This article was thrown by a journalist .. but in fact:
    1. This is for active servicemen, they have many awards from the USSR, who has been serving in the Ukrainian army for more than 30 years? Maybe just a couple of generals ..
    2. the new rules allow to wear awards of any foreign states, if they are officially awarded (which is for them the USSR).
    3.about Soviet awards and their prohibition - nothing AT ALL is said
    But if you submit the article correctly, the draft on the fan is not bad ..
  • GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 13 August 2020 13: 43 New
    0
    What do we care about them, the veterans themselves, the order-bearers in the wooden-named after the American President Obama-in the BARRACKS live ....... We see a straw in someone else's eye, we won't see a log in ours ........
  • Campanella
    Campanella 13 August 2020 13: 54 New
    0
    Democrats are fucked up! They are already afraid of awards. Let them continue to move towards the abyss, at the end of these sages people will put on a stake.
  • Byurer
    Byurer 13 August 2020 17: 22 New
    0
    And what, did not bother to look at the original document, just to throw more on the fan?
    From the order itself:
    Vi. Rules for wearing orders, medals, order stitches and stitching of medals on the slats and the signs on the form of clothes
    1. Wearing clothes in full dress:

    the Order of "Zolota Zirka" and the Order of the Hero of Ukraine;

    orders and medals of Ukraine;

    lapel badges to the honorary titles of Ukraine;

    lapel badges before the sovereign prizes of Ukraine;

    signs of the President of Ukraine;

    zahochuvalny signs of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine;

    scratched badges of the Chief Commander of the Zbroynikh Forces of Ukraine.

    Allowed to be worn by a hairy bazhan:

    signs of the Supreme For the sake of Ukraine;

    signs of the Cabinet of Ministries of Ukraine;

    Breastplate "Veteran Viyni - Participant of Boyovyh Diy";

    zahochuvalny signs of the Head Office of the Development of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine;

    zahochuvalny signs of DSST;

    scratches (memorials) badges of administrative boundaries;

    scratches (memorials) badges of the command of the type of ZSU;

    zahochuvalny signs of the largest state bodies of Ukraine;

    memorial badges of the military units;

    zahochuvalny signs of organs of muscular self-assembly;

    sovereigns and households of foreign powers;

    in the city of the Organizatsiya Ob'ednanih Natsiy;

    heights of the European Union;

    in the city of the Organizational Agreement of the Atlantic Treaty;

    heights transferred by clause 7 of part three of article 4 to the Law of Ukraine "On the condemnation of the communist and national-socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes in Ukraine and the fence of the propaganda of ichnyi symbolics".

    And further from the above law:

    3. The fence does not extend to the vikoristannya symbolism of the communist totalitarian regime, the symbolism of the national-socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regime:

    1) on the documents of state bodies and bodies of the micro-self-assembly (micro-bodies of state power and management), adopted until 1991;

    2) on documents seen by mortgages on the education of science, enterprises, institutions, organizations until 1991;

    3) in museum exhibitions, thematic exhibitions, the Museum Fund of Ukraine, as well as library funds on the latest information;

    4) at the creators of the mystery, which are up to the recruitment of dignity by the Law;

    5) in the process of scientific activity, including for an hour of scientific progress, and the extension of the results in non-obstruction by the legislation of Ukraine;

    6) on the originals of battle banners;

    7) on the sovereign cities, juvenile medals and other signs, which were awarded to individuals until 1991 and between 1991 and 2015 at the time of the period of the Other Holy War, as well as on documents dedicated to them;

    8) on the grave sporudes, roasted on the territory of the martyrdom, the martyrdom;

    9) before the hour of the week of the reconstruction (the waking up of the historical) historical podіy;

    10) in private collections and in private archives;

    11) yak ob'єktіv antique trade.
  • shed
    shed 13 August 2020 22: 09 New
    0
    these bastards have not yet been born, abortionists
  • Vdi73
    Vdi73 14 August 2020 05: 56 New
    -1
    Banderization continues, this is no longer a country or a republic, it is an enclave of various gangs, controlled both from behind the hill and by local princelings.