Ukraine does not comment on the participation of the SBU in the provocation with the Russians

The information that appeared the day before that the Ukrainian special services had a hand in the detention of Russian citizens in Belarus passed by the Ukrainian media. Even publications that adhere to radical views and constantly oppose Russia, modestly keeping silent about this fact, simply mention it as something insignificant.

Ukrainian publications do not comment on the fact of the SBU's participation in the "setup" of Russian citizens in Belarus. It is indicated that the Investigative Committee of Russia has begun checking this fact and that the presidents of Russia and Belarus, Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lukashenko, held a telephone conversation, during which they discussed the situation.

No, of course, almost all publications wrote that Russia suspects the SBU of provocation, even "loud headlines" are flashing in the press, such as: "In Russia they decided to" hang "the blame for the" Wagnerites "on the SBU", "Members of Wagner PMCs" Ukrainian special services lured to Minsk "and so on. However, under such headings there is simply a text with a statement of fact. That's all, no comments, no accusations - just a reference to the Russian media that first wrote about it.

What this may mean is unknown. Maybe the Ukrainian media received an "order from above" not to react to this information, maybe the SBU put its hand here, or maybe something else.

We will remind that the Investigative Committee of Russia has begun to check in relation to a fake project created by the Ukrainian special services. The task of the SBU was to set up PMCs "Wagner" and "Rosneft" and undermine Russian-Belarusian relations. And if Kiev had obtained from Minsk the extradition of 28 Russian citizens who are accused in Ukraine of participating in hostilities in Donbass, the task of the SBU would have been completed 100%.

Comments

[Narcologist]

Here on the site there was such an op, straight ears pawned ..)))) All the SBU see on the site VO ran?

[Pessimist22]

Ohr stood from the fact that Lukashenka did not analyze and check the information and gave it out as at face value, your SBU helped him well.

[Insurgent]

Ukraine does not comment on the participation of the SBU in the provocation with the Russians

Very neutral and streamlined wording of the title of the article ...
Wouldn't it be more correct to call everything by its proper names, and declare: Not the participation of the SBU, but the SBU OPERATION against Russia and Belarus?

This is the KGB RB, acted as participant in provocation, free or not, what else is worth understanding, and in detail ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

This is the KGB RB, acted as a participant in the provocation

There is such a series "Lector" It is well shown how a person is used for their own purposes by the special services and he does not even know about it
And then the whole KGB used

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

And then the whole KGB used

Which gives a very weighty reason to doubt their professionalism and competence ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

Which gives a very weighty reason to doubt their professionalism and competence.

Well, let Lukashenka draw conclusions.
Moreover, the forces are clearly not equal.
The CIA stands behind the SBU.

[Greg Miller]

This story with 33 private security companies revealed something else - the absolute helplessness, toothlessness and infantilism of the Russian leadership. Even if Belarus, 100% dependent on Russia, captures absolutely innocent citizens of Russia and Moscow, nothing but plaintive whine and lamentations in the form of Mashenka's "concerns." Russians in other countries?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Greg Miller

the absolute helplessness, toothlessness and infantilism of the Russian leadership.

Well, not tired of the Veda and smear Russia everywhere ?????

and Moscow, nothing but plaintive whine and lamentations

Blablabol, where did you see "whining and lamentations" ???
I practically do not put any minuses, it will be great pleasure for you.
YOU are on my "black list".
Everything, letters on the screen

[artifact]

Quote: Greg Miller

This story with 33 private security companies revealed something else - the absolute helplessness, toothlessness and infantilism of the Russian leadership. Even if Belarus, 100% dependent on Russia, captures absolutely innocent citizens of Russia and Moscow, nothing but plaintive whine and lamentations in the form of Mashenka's "concerns." Russians in other countries?

Well, how not to smear the Russian leadership with feces !? already itching! but in fact, in order to do something about Belarus, it was necessary to figure out what actually happened (especially since the "father" formally had a reason to suspect "33 heroes" of not pure thoughts). to figure it out - it takes time! and thank God that our special services found out before the elections! because after the elections it would be too late. I suppose (if I were in the place of the President of the Russian Federation) would not have enough patience and endurance, but who would feel better from the breakdown of relations, the detained, our fraternal peoples to the delight of the enemies !?

[Sergey V.]

If you get acquainted with the publications on the topic of the KGB RB, then doubts will be dispelled. Throughout his presidency, Lukashenka has been cleaning the KGB of "old school" professionals. Since the 2000s, the KGB has been mired in corruption, including smuggling through the western border of the Republic of Belarus (it is actually the western border of the Russian Federation, the flow of money is simply huge). A criminal case was opened against the investigator of the Department of Internal Affairs of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Republic of Belarus, who was investigating these crimes. The previously convicted were released.
So there are no professionals left there, only those devoted to the Lukashenka family.

[NIKN]

All the same, interesting questions arise, what it was and who is to blame (I am talking about the current problem with the detention of 33 Russians). In fact, or did they allow their president to be set up (terrible unprofessionalism, which is debatable), or were they at one with the special services of the enemies (terrible, but unlikely), or were they following the president's instructions?

[Sergey V.]

Politically Lukashenka lost the election. The population has no support. To falsify the voting results, you need to attract a fairly large number of people. They can be conditionally called Lukashenka's asset. These are law enforcement agencies, officials, partly state employees. To mobilize them, you need to create for them the appearance (or even reality) of a threat to their sustainable existence. Everyone should have an understanding that Lukashenka is leaving - they will lose the source of their well-being. In fact, a situation is created when everyone is tied up and there is nowhere to retreat (neither to Europe, nor to Russia). The very nature of the provocation could well have been born in the KGB, and Lukashenko approved.
I do not support the version of manipulation by the SBU. This is indirectly evidenced by the fact that the private security officers had previously carried out transit through Belarus and the security forces were aware of it. And only now they decided to take advantage of the situation.

[major147]

Quote: Insurgent

Which gives a very weighty reason to doubt their professionalism and competence ...

Or maybe they played along with the SBU for some reason they know ...

[Lelek]

Quote: Insurgent

This is the KGB of the Republic of Belarus, acted as a participant in the provocation, free or not, what else is worth understanding, and in detail ...

There is no understanding of the persons involved in this provocation. But only one thing is clear - the LAS (a) deftly and fluidly set up (or set himself up) and it will not be easy for him to get out of this "situation". He spoiled the air of relations with the Russian Federation thoroughly and showed his true "face". An interesting perspective of the LAS (a) was drawn by M. Pogrebinsky:

[Narcologist]

Quote: Pessimist22

Ohr stood from the fact that Lukashenka did not analyze and check the information and gave it out as at face value, your SBU helped him well.

Yes, he analyzed everything and worked well together with Putin .. It turned out a lot of things, who shouted down with Old Man the most, and so on.
And when the situation had already heated up to the maximum, we calmly talked with Putin and I think they even laughed ..
I think Lukashenka can be congratulated on a complete Victory in the elections tomorrow!
A brilliant joint operation! And the PMC mercenaries were used in the dark ..
After the elections, they will be released ..
These are the interesting things!

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Narkolog

Yes, he analyzed everything and worked well together with Putin .. It turned out a lot of things, who shouted down with Old Man the most, and so on.
And when the situation had already heated up to the maximum, we calmly talked with Putin and I think they even laughed ..
I think Lukashenka can be congratulated on a complete Victory in the elections tomorrow!
A brilliant joint operation! And the PMC mercenaries were used in the dark ..
After the elections, they will be released ..
These are the interesting things!

With such an analytical mind, you need to trade stocks on the stock market. They would have already become rich.

[Narcologist]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

With such an analytical mind, you need to trade stocks on the stock market. They would have already become rich.

I'd rather work as a camp commandant, where all the liberals would be gathered in the tundra ..
A drama club would be organized, an internet for the bloachers .. heh heh
Well, work, rise at 6-00

Re-education !!!!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Narkolog

Yes, he analyzed everything and worked clearly together with Putin

Again "the hand of Moscow"
Where are the hackers?

[Narcologist]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Narkolog

Yes, he analyzed everything and worked clearly together with Putin

Again "the hand of Moscow"
Where are the hackers?

The hand of Moscow is a horror story for the West and other neo-liberals ..!
Normal work in the info war .. AND EVERYTHING!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Pessimist22

Ohr stood from the fact that Lukashenka did not analyze and check the information and gave it out as at face value, your SBU helped him well.

Question: Is it possible for a person who has not understood such a relatively small private issue to lead an entire country, albeit a relatively small one like Belarus?

Perhaps Father is no longer a cake? "Aged veteran in soul"?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

Perhaps Father already not cake

Biscuit
Sorry, it broke)
Everyone has typos, including me.
Sorry one more time

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

Biscuit
Sorry, it broke)
Everyone has typos, including me.
Sorry one more time

This is NOT a TYPE, but a figurative figure of speech - "not torte"...

[major147]

Quote: Lipchanin

Perhaps Father is no longer

Doesn't it have full control over the structure of the state? The KGB itself, the Old Man on its own, etc ...

[Lelek]

Quote: Insurgent

Perhaps Father is no longer a cake?

Maybe "... the king is not real? Demons have replaced ...".

[rags]

In an interview with Gordon, "But Father" said that "they" are well informed, I don't remember literally, because. many officers studied together, served , and present the whole picture!
Don't underestimate and overestimate intelligence agencies

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

So nervous, the elections, the opposition, and the SBU, well, it's clear who's in charge.

[alexmach]

Lukashenka is indeed very hostile. So far, thank God, mostly in words.

[Narcologist]

Quote: alexmach

Lukashenka is indeed very hostile. So far, thank God, mostly in words.

Are you sure about this? Or believe "our media" ..?

[alexmach]

Are you sure about this?

At 100%.

Or believe "our media" ..?

Is there a reason not to believe "your media"? For example, when do they quote the statements of Usata Bulba? Well, in general, you can look for primary sources.

[Olezhek]

Ohr stood because Lukashenka did not analyze and check the information

Does he know how to analyze something?
Oh oh

[Pessimist22]

But only Lukashenka was framed.

[Narcologist]

Quote: Pessimist22

But only Lukashenka was framed.

Nobody set him up .. It was all intended! All the stench turned up and then hop hee hop

[parusnik]

It didn't grow together, that's why the media are silent ... Is it really possible to write to them: Oh, such a provocation did not work out ... And remember the Donbass, when the militia commanders were fired, the Ukrainian media did not write with "pride" that this was the work of the Ukrainian special services. .. put forward different versions ..

[Kisa]

I have doubts - in 10 days there was no hearing from either the KGB or the FSB - just call this travel agency ... and then on Friday the last day of campaigning Komsomolskaya Pravda unwound the operation of the CIA SBU ....)))) if so then SBU is cool - Gordon and three presidents were thrown))))

[parusnik]

[b

] I have doubts - for 10 days, neither the KGB nor the FSB, you can call this travel agency ...

[/b] ... This is called the inconsistency of the actions of the special services ...

and then on Friday the last day of campaigning Komsomolskaya Pravda unwound the operation of the SBU CIA ....))))

... And you noticed that it was in the KP that the information was leaked ... into a newspaper with a centrist position ... and not into a pro-government and oppositional one ...

if so then the SBU is cool

... There is only one school. Why do you think that fools should sit there ...

[Kisa]

the more I read I listen to different topics of doubt more and more.
from the beginning of the week here on VO and in the zomboyaschik they kicked Grygorych with such gusto. a couple of people suspected something and were looking for conspiracy theories, but no one went as far as this story ...
yesterday a massive attack on the zombie box at Skabeeva and on 1m - deputies stigmatize the CIA, Komsomolskaya Pravda did the work of the special services (a massive online newspaper), Putin made peace with Lukashenka, there are almost mass celebrations in the country, the SBU plan under the leadership of the CIA failed, Gordon has something of his own in Kiev celebrates .....
Well, I want to, I wish to believe, but with such white threads it's all ... did they regret taking the money not from Minsk but from Lviv for cash? those also broke into earnings who called? where to go...?
the level of the SBU is a comedy with Babchenko - the ceiling.
Well, how could Kiev give such a trump card to the Fatherland Savior of the Fatherland from external threats ??? Why should they mobilize the Zalukashen electorate? .... Wagnerians are a bargaining chip. relations between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, too, no one will remember in a month about the broken dishes. ...
the main thing was to win the elections ... and now they are the cherished 70%

[parusnik]

Yes, they do not care about the elections, with saliva, as they spat before historical materialism. They are not stupid, as you and other commentators think, it was done for the future ... They understand that Lukashenko will win, they really wanted more broken dishes .. Wagnerians are a bargaining chip. ..Lukashenka lured them? Then there would be no such hysteria, I would make it more beautiful ...

[alexmach]

from the beginning of the week here on VO and in the zomboyaschik they kicked Grygorych with such gusto

Kicked I must say for the case.

yesterday a massive attack on the zombie box at Skabeeva and on 1m - deputies stigmatize the CIA, Komsomolskaya Pravda did the work of the special services (massive online newspaper)

But there really is not clear at least where they were going then. To fight for the PNS through Turkey to Libya? This is a strange idea. Then to Cuba? To Venice?

Putin made peace with Lukashenko, there are almost mass celebrations in the country

It's too early. Not the fact that he was reconciled. He can still throw out some trick.

Well, how could Kiev give such a trump card to the Fatherland Savior of the Fatherland from external threats ??? Why should they mobilize the Zalukashen electorate?

And Kiev then what cares about the Lukashenka electorate. He and Lukash are doing well. Friendship and understanding.

Wagnerians are a bargaining chip

Why do you think these PMCs are needed at all? Including as a change fund.

[Insurgent]

Quote: parusnik

And let us remember Donbass, when the militia commanders were shot, the Ukrainian media did not write with "pride" that this was the work of the Ukrainian special services ... Different versions were put forward ..

"UkroSMI" cannot write something definitely intelligible about what they do not know.
Specifically, this is exactly the case with the activities of the SBU. Publicity is not informed ...

[Senka naughty]

"UkroSMI" cannot write something definitely intelligible about what they do not know.

There is no one to surprise with this, but if so, I will tell you a secret, they only do this. You just need to change to "something definitenot distinct"

[Insurgent]

Quote: Senka Mad

There is no one to surprise with this, but if so, I will reveal a secret to you

Wow , found someone "reveal the secrets of the edge"

[Cat]

"UkroSMI" cannot write something clearly intelligible

.. until they receive the corresponding templates from the OP. And there, due to dementia, they still slow down. We will watch, everything will be clear soon.

[rags]

Well here you are dissembling
Your duty is to read the Ukrainian media.
Messages are constantly flashing, the SBU detained, the SBU opened, the SBU came ...

[Narcologist]

Quote: parusnik

It didn't grow together, that's why the media are silent ... Is it really possible to write to them: Oh, such a provocation did not work out.

As the saying goes, if you cannot suppress the protests of the Libers, then you just need to lead them and throw the topic for screams .. After all, it turned out well !!!!

[Vladimir61]

We didn't expect that the pancake could be lumpy. Now they are chewing snot and waiting for a tip from the initiator of the provocation.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Vladimir61

We didn't expect that the pancake could be lumpy. Now they are chewing snot and waiting for a tip from the initiator of the provocation.

In all fairness, not so lumpy. All the same, the scheme, if it was, then partially worked. Lukashenka managed to say too much, people have been arrested, have not yet been released and it is not yet known whether they will give anyone to Ukraine, the sediment remains pretty strong.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: qqqq

In all fairness, not so lumpy.

Yes, lumpy! What Old Man said will be a plus for both Russia and Belarusians. In Belarus, "eyes will open wider" to his real objectivity, self-esteem and ability to control himself.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Vladimir61

In Belarus, "eyes will open wider" to his real objectivity, self-esteem and ability to control himself.

But much wider, they will soon pop out of the eye sockets, if they have not already jumped out.

[rotmistr60]

Not yet evening. We did not have time to come to our senses, tk. our special services quickly revealed the whole scheme and provided evidence (that the special services of Belarus were obliged to do before the arrest). They will react when they are given instructions on what to write, who (it is clear who) to stigmatize.

[Mavrikiy]

Ukraine does not comment on the participation of the SBU in the provocation with the Russians

And sho comment, they drink champagne and drill holes for awards. The most successful provocation ever since the existence of the SBU. True, donkey ears stick out here too. Could not organize an operation from the territory of Belarus or Turkey, they saw the loot, was not enough?

[purple]

Quote: parusnik

It didn't grow together, that's why the media are silent ... Is it really possible to write to them: Oh, such a provocation did not work out ... And remember the Donbass, when the militia commanders were fired, the Ukrainian media did not write with "pride" that this was the work of the Ukrainian special services. .. put forward different versions ..

Why didn't it work, it worked out quite well. Lukashenka showed everyone his true face. And the SBU must say good fellows, they are working, doing something at the level of their capabilities. Not like our FSB, which cuts off money from commercial companies, and arranges races on geliks ...
Here, as they say, who is imprisoned for what.

[Ramadan]

Quote: purple

Quote: parusnik

It didn't grow together, that's why the media are silent ... Is it really possible to write to them: Oh, such a provocation did not work out ... And remember the Donbass, when the militia commanders were fired, the Ukrainian media did not write with "pride" that this was the work of the Ukrainian special services. .. put forward different versions ..

Why didn't it work, it worked out quite well. Lukashenka showed everyone his true face. And the SBU must say good fellows, they are working, doing something at the level of their capabilities. Not like our FSB, which cuts off money from commercial companies, and arranges races on geliks ...
Here, as they say, who is imprisoned for what.

I agree that the SBU is very active due to its capabilities, driven by its hatred at the genetic level, but there is no point. Firstly, we do not have a declared war against Ukraine, so that our special services would openly act against them on their own territory. If they give a command, they will do it and most likely they will not seem a little, and maybe they do, but we do not know this. And secondly, we, as always, act in the spirit of "good neighborliness".
And as for the Helics and other things, yes, they sin. In non-working hours they are engaged in "commercial" topics, depending on which general they serve and, of course, with his approval. As one character said: "The title of general is not a position, it is happiness" ...))

[hagen]

Quote: purple

... And the SBU must say good fellows, they are working, doing something at the level of their capabilities.

Actually, this fact suggests that the state structure of Ukraine carried out a hostile action against two neighboring states. In some other cases, this could be the reason for retaliatory actions against the state. It is even possible that diplomatic relations can be broken or their level lowered by the object of the action. And if Lukashenka, as the object of this action, does not react in any way, then Ze simply "got" Luka. When government agencies are engaged in such unsightly things, the stain falls on the country and its leadership. SBU set up its own president. This is serious. SBU is not great, they are complete ignoramuses, to put it mildly.

[parusnik]

Why didn't it work, it worked out quite well.

... I do not argue, but further development did not work ... After talking on the phone, the parties came to the conclusion that it was necessary to look for the guilty and punish. Where will they look? Obviously not in the CIA and SBU at home ...

[Cat]

SBU must say good fellows

Too pretentious for the SBU selukovs, rather it was the "curators" who had a hand. The SBU got into a puddle even with the most banal attempt to squeeze channel 112 - and then suddenly such a large-scale operation. I don't believe (C).

[taiga2018]

I completely agree, the tsru-shnaya "hand" is visible, only overseas did not take into account the stupidity of the big-time performers ...

[rags]

Comrades, and think? I already wrote in the comments that "But father" played everyone in the "dark", that this is all "big bargaining" with Russia or do you have doubts who will win the elections? !! ​​GDP was led (yesterday's conversation)

[Irek]

They were dipped into a cesspool, flowed around.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Irek

They were dipped into a cesspool, flowed around.

[Irek]

Photo, the whole essence of Hochlism 5+.

[Andrea]

Behold, as they say, at the root, and the root occupies an entire floor in the SBU.
You start digging, they will bury it so that no one will remember.

[Rubi0]

If this is so, then I cannot understand why the services of the Russian Federation are not so petty, they do not flood the courts with claims of violation of human rights and democratic principles, etc. against them with their own and cards.

[Region68]

But our propagandists who managed to yell at what))

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Narkolog

Here on the site there was such an op, straight ears pawned ..)))) All the SBU see on the site VO ran?

From the perspicacity of the "professionals" of the KGB RB?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Rambler analytical service asked the Russians: "How, in your opinion, will the detention of 33 Russians in Belarus affect the relations between Minsk and Moscow?" It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/politics/44629628/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

[Olezhek]

European Belarus

[Olezhek]

Glory to the victorious cockroach!

[Olezhek]

And if Kiev had obtained from Minsk the extradition of 28 Russian citizens who are accused in Ukraine of participating in hostilities in Donbas, the task of the SBU would be

And in the Republic of Belarus, as it were, there are state structures?
Or is the SBU deciding everything there?

[Gennady Fomkin]

But one must also leave them with the dignity of a statesman and a political patriarch. And Lukashenko behaves like an offended drunk organ-grinder in the bazaar. Moreover, it did not start yesterday, it has been carrying it for a long time and with each new joint it only intensifies.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Sho "dad" that these girls are sipping from one trough Ugh on them.

[iouris]

These are not pranksters Vovan and Lexus (just to talk) - these are shock technologies. Lukashenka is the weak link: he gives an interview to an SBU agent and behaves like a merchant on a walk. This is the real truth: such simplicity is worse than theft.

[Looking for]

in the Ukrainian media, this provocation is called the "actions" of some third state. That's how !!!

[APASUS]

I don’t believe in such a fine work of the SBU, it’s too difficult, but the Ukrainians have very good teachers!