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Opposition, but not against its own country: can an opposition party be in solidarity with the authorities?

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In the understanding of the majority of citizens, the opposition in any case must oppose the existing political power. The only exception is the "lured" opposition parties, which are subsidized from the budget. But is it really so?


In modern Russia, all parliamentary parties, including opposition ones, are financed from the state budget. Since all the leaders of parliamentary factions, deputies from opposition parties receive state salaries, enjoy all sorts of benefits and preferences, one can hardly expect them to be irreconcilable with the existing political system. But the question is different: what if the party does not enjoy state support and is oppositional, but at the same time supports the government in certain directions? It would seem that such a scenario is impossible. But in reality it occurs, and not so rarely.

A typical example is the famous Russian spring of 2014. The reunification of Crimea with Russia and the events in Donbass forced many political organizations of a patriotic persuasion to reconsider their attitude towards the current Russian government, although they did not receive any funding from the state budget. It's just that at some point the political course of the Kremlin coincided with the aspirations and aspirations of the patriots, which they had been hatching long before the reunification of Crimea.

Sevastopol, 1999. Then the city of Russian glory was part of Ukraine, and this was a very sore subject for all patriots who sincerely worried about the fate of Sevastopol, for the life of Sevastopol residents in a foreign state. A group of activists of the now banned NBP in Russia, led by Eduard Limonov, "seizes" the Seamen's Tower in Sevastopol.


The late Eduard Limonov and his fellow party members were among the first to begin the struggle for Sevastopol, 15 years before the Russian Spring

Leaflets “Kuchma - you will choke on Sevastopol” fly down from the tower, a banner “Sevastopol is a Russian city” is hung out. Who now dares to say the opposite, that Sevastopol is a Russian city? And then, in 1999, such actions were qualified as extremist not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia. It turns out that the NBP radicals turned out to be one of the few who even then, 21 years ago, dared to undertake such an action in honor of the great Russian state. The main thing is not to switch to extremism.

Fifteen years have passed, and not the pupils of Eduard Limonov entered Sevastopol, but "polite people" - the servicemen of the special forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The thesis "Sevastopol is a Russian city" was supported at the state level, and the overwhelming majority of Sevastopol residents voted for reunification with the Russian Federation. So why, one wonders, the opposition parties of a patriotic persuasion should have objected to the foreign policy of the Russian authorities in the Ukrainian direction?

Eduard Limonov himself in the last years of his life said more than once that he had no special claims to the foreign policy of the Russian authorities. Many other Russian patriots, political organizations and publications of a patriotic persuasion are taking approximately the same positions.

But at the same time, the patriotic forces do not forget that the Kremlin's actions in domestic politics raise many questions. What is the cost of raising the retirement age alone? And what about migration policy? And what about social work? The support of the armed forces and the development of new weapons is, of course, very good, as well as the opportunity to show the West "Kuzkin's mother" in Syria, but after all, the plight of pensioners, a shortage of kindergartens, small salaries with a tirelessly growing communal apartment has not been canceled. So the non-systemic opposition remains to support some government initiatives and harshly criticize others.

None of the patriots of Russia will ever oppose the Russian state as such, but on social, economic issues, on issues of demographic and migration policy, dissatisfaction with the actions of the authorities may be present. This does not mean that the opposition is bad and wants to destroy the country. The main thing is that it must remain constructive and without external feeding. Raising these issues, the opposition (real, not "swampy orange") strive to make our country even stronger, so that one can be proud not only of deep-sea vehicles, fighters and special forces, but also of the standard of living of ordinary Russian people.
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  1. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 15: 15 New
    43
    Here I am interested in the opinion of readers IN drinks

    If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?
    repeat

    Put pros and cons - I will understand who I am in the eyes of VO readers good
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 8 August 2020 15: 17 New
      +8
      This does not mean that the opposition is bad and wants to destroy the country. The main thing is that it must remain constructive and without external feeding.

      This is the most important thing: "without external feeding"!
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 8 August 2020 16: 00 New
        32
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        This is the most important thing: "without external feeding"!

        Alaverdy! Our opposition parties (LDPR, SR, KP) are funded by the state. An analysis of party reports conducted by RBC since 2005 (older reports are not available on the CEC website) showed that parliamentary parties in 2017 for the first time were at least 75% dependent on the budget ...
        Can they be in opposition to the authorities?
        How are these oppositionists different and are they needed?
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 8 August 2020 16: 22 New
          14
          And the most interesting thing with the initiative of state financing of political parties, at one time came forward ... Zyuganov, but he was supported by all parties ... And then there is further, the murder of a candidate against everyone, a 5% barrier ...
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 9 August 2020 14: 00 New
            -1
            Quote: parusnik
            killing a candidate against everyone, 5% barrier ...

            and how do you think it differs from a failure to appear at the polls or a screwed up ballot? request
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 9 August 2020 17: 56 New
              0
              Features a choice, position. Unlike failure to appear, cowardly or indifferent, that is definitely a crime against the future of children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
        2. Mahony
          Mahony 8 August 2020 18: 05 New
          +9
          And in what way are these Kremlin parties opposed to the authorities? They only create the appearance of a multi-party system, obeying the laws of the Kremlin.
        3. gsev
          gsev 8 August 2020 23: 09 New
          +9
          Quote: Silvestr
          Alaverdy! Our opposition parties (LDPR, SR, KP) are funded by the state

          These are not opposition parties. And they have been funded from the state since the Yeltsin era. Attempts by the communists to nominate independent candidates are severely suppressed. In what country besides Russia can a businessman nominated from the second most influential party in the country to the presidency be ruined, as was the case with Grudinin? I think no one will be able to find, for example, any large contributions to Lebed's election campaign for the presidency other than those made on direct instructions from Yeltsin's office.
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 8 August 2020 16: 15 New
        12
        If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?
        ... Not systemic ... laughing ..Conditionally, if, God forbid, for example, the communists of Greece will send you 100 euros ... you will become a foreign agent, and this is worse than not a systemic oppositionist ... laughing
      3. Sen.
        Sen. 8 August 2020 16: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        This is the most important thing: "without external feeding"!

        Most opposition parties exist, they exist, without "outside feeding." There is a layer of certain political movements financed by the opponents of our country. In the USSR, these included dissidents who received from abroad from finance to literature.
    2. fif21
      fif21 8 August 2020 15: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Corona without virus
      Put pros and cons - I will understand who I am in the eyes of VO readers

      Quote: Corona without virus
      Put pros and cons - I will understand who I am in the eyes of VO readers

      It has been said - without feeding from outside! laughing
    3. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 8 August 2020 15: 47 New
      -11
      Quote: Corona without virus
      If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?

      Of course not.
      Just without a diagnosis, natural.
    4. Prisoner
      Prisoner 8 August 2020 15: 56 New
      +4
      In my eyes, as a VO reader, you suffer from mild narcissism. hi Therefore, neither a minus nor a plus. laughing
    5. Sen.
      Sen. 8 August 2020 16: 16 New
      +1
      Comments from YouTube and VO got wink
    6. Alexga
      Alexga 8 August 2020 16: 26 New
      +5
      If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?

      This is certainly not my business, but I would call you the Patriot of my Motherland. This is the position of an honest person, regardless of what the Motherland is called.
    7. Mahony
      Mahony 8 August 2020 18: 01 New
      -20
      The oppositionist is a corrupt liberal who receives money from the State Department. Therefore, they are all against the authorities, which spread rot on their people. That is why she and the power that can spread rot, can throw a bone from the master's table, they, the boyars, know better. And the corrupt liberals don't know better .. Since they want to throw off these great men who think so sweetly of Russia ..
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 8 August 2020 19: 23 New
        15
        Quote: Mahony
        The oppositionist is a corrupt liberal who receives money from the State Department.

        General Rokhlin, who opposed the authorities, who, according to your theory?
        1. gsev
          gsev 8 August 2020 23: 13 New
          +7
          Quote: Silvestr
          who according to your theory?

          As you know, Rokhlin was killed. Apparently he was honored to become a real oppositionist to the then government and had some chances of winning.
        2. ZAV69
          ZAV69 9 August 2020 10: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr

          General Rokhlin, who opposed the authorities, who, according to your theory?

          That is why Rokhlin is now in the cemetery and not in the Duma. And it is not known who organized it.
    8. sniperino
      sniperino 8 August 2020 19: 25 New
      -2
      Quote: Corona without virus
      If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?
      You have to choose, because it is a matter of self-determination. The opposition is based on specific conceptual disagreements, therefore it always chooses which actions of the authorities should be supported and which should not (rarely occurs). "For everything good and against everything bad" is usually fought by: 1) political careerists, for whom power is really valuable for what they prefer not to talk about publicly, media managers of their offices, bots they paid for, and 2) outgoing leaders, media personalities , unsuccessful students and ordinary sofa politicians who find it difficult to look for their mistakes, but it is easier to blame all their stupid projects, failures and general dissatisfaction with life on the "rotting people" power, thereby, as if separating themselves from both people with disabilities and from people with unfounded claims, and simple lazy people.
    9. Vicontas
      Vicontas 8 August 2020 20: 00 New
      +6
      As Stalin said - "Hitlers come and go, but Germany remains"! To paraphrase it, we can say - "The authorities come and go, but the country remains"!
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 9 August 2020 18: 00 New
        0
        The only question is - in what state? Blooming or in ruins.
    10. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 8 August 2020 21: 45 New
      -5
      Quote: Corona without virus
      If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?

      Decipher what kind of Russia you are. And what kind of power .. This is the usual slogan at the demonstration. anyone, for, whatever. ...
    11. gsev
      gsev 8 August 2020 23: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Corona without virus
      If I am "for" Great Russia, but "against" the Power, which spreads rot on its own people

      Aung San Suu Kyi managed to remove the generals from undivided power, although her country was able to win the war with the PRC and strangle Islamic separatism during this acute political struggle. For some reason, oppositionists in Russia often wish their country and their people defeat from external enemies. This is probably because Aung San Suu Kyi calmly renounced the title of honorary citizen of Canada and Paris for the sake of the interests of her people.
    12. PSih2097
      PSih2097 9 August 2020 02: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Corona without virus
      If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?

      What about Zadornov ...
      I love my country, but I hate the state ...
      (c) M. Zadornov, A. Rosenbaum, E. Evtushenko
    13. user1212
      user1212 9 August 2020 04: 00 New
      -3
      Quote: Corona without virus
      If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?

      Give an example of a government that builds a great state, but does not spread rot on its people. The history of mankind is big, at least one such should be found. But for some reason, no. Genghis Khan, who built the largest empire in the world, how many of his own did he cut? The USSR and the Russian kingdom, the French, English, Spanish colonial empires, the Reich, the Qing Empire ... All to one degree or another imposed obligations on people and strictly enforced the observance of not the most just laws. Transferring to our time, why is there not a single successful company in which complete "democracy" and "creative freedom" reign? The same Tim Cook, who got Apple out of the ass, was famous for a very tough manner of leadership, and Google, in which they introduced slovenliness as a corporate strategy, for 20 years has not been able to release a single intelligible product (androyd 5 differs from android 10 less than AKM from AK-15)
    14. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 9 August 2020 14: 07 New
      -1
      Quote: Corona without virus
      If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?

      for all good, against this bad? somewhere I've already heard it. there was something about the destruction of the prison of nations and freedom and democracy for all ..
    15. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 12 August 2020 23: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Crown without virus
      Here I am interested in the opinion of readers IN drinks

      If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?
      repeat

      Put pros and cons - I will understand who I am in the eyes of VO readers good

      As a matter of fact, you wrote everything correctly. I don’t remember who said, but in other words, your thought sounds like - "I love Russia, but I hate the state." There is another saying - "Life in a state should be such that its citizens really have something to defend and for which they would not be sorry to die."
  2. svp67
    svp67 8 August 2020 15: 16 New
    +5
    Opposition, but not against its own country: can an opposition party be in solidarity with the authorities?
    Yes they can. In 1914, all the opposition parties supported their authorities in the war to a victorious end, even the Social Democrats, which greatly angered Lenin ...
    1. apro
      apro 8 August 2020 15: 26 New
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      Yes they can. In 1914, all the opposition parties supported their authorities in the war to a victorious end, even the Social Democrats, which greatly angered Lenin ...

      Yes, they supported ... but each with its own intent, because there was also February 1917, and the slogan the worse the better, not the Bolsheviks came up with ... but to discredit the empire.
      For some reason, the most sane in that situation turned out to be VILENIN ...
    2. tatra
      tatra 8 August 2020 15: 33 New
      0
      What did they support? For Russia to enter World War I not for the sake of national interests, not because Germany attacked Russia, but for the sake of helping France and Serbia, so that the war would cause great human and material damage to Russia and the Russian people. ...
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 8 August 2020 15: 42 New
        -8
        Quote: tatra
        For Russia to enter the First World War not for the sake of national interests, not because Germany attacked Russia, but for the sake of aid from France and Serbia

        I didn't understand something - how could Russia not enter the war if it was attacked by Germany?
        1. tatra
          tatra 8 August 2020 15: 51 New
          +9
          Learn the history of your country. It was the Russian Empire that entered the First World War, firstly, by announcing mobilization on the border with Austria-Hungary, which caused Germany to declare war on Russia, and, secondly, by attacking East Prussia.
          In general, there were no national reasons for Russia to enter the First World War. And all normal people understand that war is always the death of their fellow citizens, and material damage to their country.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 8 August 2020 16: 26 New
            +6
            Quote: tatra
            Learn the history of your country

            He thought about the Second World War ... laughing
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 8 August 2020 16: 50 New
              -8
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              He's seen about the Second World War

              Well, that the communists have no other wars, I know.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 8 August 2020 16: 50 New
            -2
            Quote: tatra
            It was the Russian Empire that entered the First World War, firstly, by announcing mobilization on the border with Austria-Hungary

            After the AB announced mobilization on the border with Russia. Learn history.
          3. art266
            art266 8 August 2020 17: 29 New
            +5
            Mobilization of a potential enemy is not a reason, it is a pretext for war.
            The reason for the First World War was the colonial redistribution of the World, all the belligerent powers, including the Russian Empire, strove for this (they wanted to squeeze the straits from the Turks).
            That is why that war was called "Imperialist".
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 8 August 2020 21: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: art266
              Russian empire (they wanted to squeeze the straits from the Turks).

              And the Turks owned the straits by right of permanent residence in Constantinople? The Turks, if my memory serves me right, squeezed a lot of things from many ...
          4. Tank hard
            Tank hard 8 August 2020 22: 29 New
            -5
            Quote: tatra
            Learn the history of your country

            It would not hurt you, however, Russia is probably not your country (where you live there, Ukraine, EU countries, I don’t know), judging by your pearl not so long ago, that the Russians are enemies of the communists. repeat
            Quote: tatra
            In general, there were no national reasons for Russia to join the First World War.

            Actually about the reasons for the entry of the Republic of Ingushetia into the World War:
            [media=https://foxford.ru/wiki/istoriya/rossiya-v-pervoy-mirovoy-voyne#:~:text=%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%BC%D0%B8%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8%20%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F%20%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8%20%D0%B2,%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B4%20%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%20%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%8F%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8%3B]
      2. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 9 August 2020 14: 09 New
        0
        Quote: tatra
        Russia entered the First World War not for the sake of national interests, not because Germany attacked Russia, but for the sake of helping France and Serbia,

        why are you? but certainly not for the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles? are you sure?
    3. parusnik
      parusnik 8 August 2020 16: 24 New
      +4
      even the social democrats
      ... Menshiviks ... the Bolshevik faction with the provocateur Malinovsky, went to Siberia ..
    4. ZAV69
      ZAV69 9 August 2020 10: 16 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Yes they can. In 1914, all the opposition parties supported their authorities in the war to a victorious end, even the Social Democrats, which greatly angered Lenin ...

      And in 1905 there was a congratulatory telegram from the Russian student Mikado
    5. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 13: 33 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      In 1914, all opposition parties supported their authorities in a war to a victorious end

      Why are they eternal shame and contempt. This support was in fact the support of the capital that killed millions in a bloody carnage. Supporting the reaction that stalled the development of mankind to please their own pockets.
  3. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 15: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: SRC P-15
    This does not mean that the opposition is bad and wants to destroy the country. The main thing is that it must remain constructive and without external feeding.

    This is the most important thing: "without external feeding"!

    In my life I haven't received a cent from abroad !!! good I plowed like dad carlo since 20 years after serving in the SA - everything is mine - acquired by me, my labor !!! drinks
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 8 August 2020 15: 24 New
      -11
      Quote: Corona without virus
      In my life I haven't received a cent from abroad !!! I plowed like dad carlo since 20 years after serving in the SA - everything is mine - acquired by me, my labor !!!

      Actually, I wrote about the opposition in general. Well, if you have something acquired by your labor, then the authorities have given you the opportunity to earn it. Then where are you in opposition to it? drinks
      1. Thunderbringer
        Thunderbringer 8 August 2020 15: 48 New
        -8
        Little was given. Well, or he is all himself, strictly in spite of.
    2. businessv
      businessv 8 August 2020 15: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: Corona without virus
      In my life I haven't received a cent from abroad !!!
      I'm embarrassed to ask, but I'll try. Are you a rich oppositionist who organized your own party, which passed the 5% threshold and is working in the Duma? repeat
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 8 August 2020 15: 24 New
    +7
    In Great Britain, for example, any party in opposition calls itself the opposition of Her Royal Majesty ... In Russia, the opposition is systemic, which is included in the state administration of the country and admitted to government, with the help of a 5% barrier and is not systemic, which is not included in the control system. .. Moreover, parties of all directions are understood as non-systemic, and they are not patriotic, the state is of little interest ...
  5. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 8 August 2020 15: 25 New
    16
    Why call Limonov a "radical extremist" if his supporters acted according to the law? After all, it is a fact that Sevastopol was a separate administrative-territorial object, separate from the Crimea! When Crimea was transferred to Ukraine, there was no talk of Sevastopol! Formally (one might say, by law ...) Sevastopol remained Russian! Ukraine just insolently grabbed him; and the Russian liberal traitors turned a blind eye to this!
  6. apro
    apro 8 August 2020 15: 38 New
    -4
    The opposition is fighting for the redistribution of property and income of very specific groups. This is the main thing. And both the power and the opposition are on the same principles of economic management. And for both the problems of the majority of the population are secondary things. And most often they are not taken into account at all ...
    1. Sen.
      Sen. 8 August 2020 16: 33 New
      +8
      Not everyone is like that. For example, the RCWP constantly defends the rights of employees through judicial decisions.
      1. apro
        apro 8 August 2020 16: 50 New
        0
        To improve the situation without changing its essence is pointless. The power of capital will make temporary concessions so that then everything can be returned through inflation and changes in the labor market. ...
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 13: 38 New
        0
        And who knows about her? One and a half digger? All these left non-systemic opposition parties are some sort of metropolitan get-together and the left-wing fashionable get-together of bloggers of monetizers. There is no more real serious struggle and action from them than from a goat of milk.
  7. tatra
    tatra 8 August 2020 15: 39 New
    +6
    The real opposition, and not the enemies of the communists, who portrayed and portrayed opposition to both the Soviet government and each other, always for the BEST for their country and people. And such a real opposition from the beginning of the 20th century on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia-USSR, were and are only real, by convictions, Bolshevik-Communists and their supporters. They wanted to do better for their country and people, they did after the capture of the country, and they want to do after the capture of the country by their enemies / And what can the "oppositionists" answer to me? Only with malice against those, because neither in 70 years under Soviet power, nor in 30 years after their seizure of the USSR, no one and nothing good for their country and people appeared.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 9 August 2020 11: 16 New
      -1
      Quote: tatra
      They and wanted to do better for your country and people,they did after their capture of the country, and want to do after the capture of the country by their enemies

      Quote: tatra
      And what's that me can answer "oppositionists" them ?

      Enchanting! And what do you use such "zaboristye" to write such "masterpieces"? laughing
      1. tatra
        tatra 9 August 2020 11: 26 New
        -2
        And how do you seriously think to refute me, except for the eternal stupid malice of the enemies of Soviet power?
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 9 August 2020 11: 34 New
          0
          Quote: tatra
          And why do you seriously think to refute me

          Why refute your statements on the level of Klitschko ?! You can easily replace him here, in terms of intelligence, upbringing and education. What is this "intelligent" expression worth, of a real "intellectual"? laughing
          Quote: tatra
          except eternal stupid malice

          Oranges are not born from aspen ... request
          1. tatra
            tatra 9 August 2020 11: 38 New
            -2
            Well, a cowardly twisting of the enemies of the communists began, who at first blurt out whatever they hit, and then they cannot prove and substantiate their words, and begin to get out with rudeness and insults. All of you have not matured either in intelligence or in mentality - to discussions. I will no longer answer you, I do not like to feed Putin's paid trolls.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 9 August 2020 11: 48 New
              0
              Quote: tatra
              All of you have not matured either in intelligence or in mentality - to discussions.

              If a person has a stable psyche, you should not burden her with visits to psychotherapists.

              Source: anekdotovmir.ru
              laughing
  8. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 15: 42 New
    +2
    The opposition cannot be against its own country, foreign agents against its own country. Opposition in its pure form is a potential balancing acting, in words, even Putin recognizes the need for a political counterweight for a balanced policy. The truth is, in fact, balances out a change at the helm, and Putin dug this change. Although, for sure, in the current offices, both potentials operate if Putin changes his potentials.
  9. codetalker
    codetalker 8 August 2020 15: 51 New
    +1
    All opposition parties (not only parliamentary ones) and organizations live on funds from the state budget, which they receive either directly or indirectly.
    The position "against the government", but "for Russia" is not a position, it is a slogan. There is no single, monolithic government that spreads rot / loves its people, and the development of Russia cannot fall from the sky.
    Patriotism is not an emotional outburst of joy or resentment. This is the ability to identify (on the basis of knowledge) among the entire spectrum of socio-political processes that are positive for their country and support them, and negative ones that need to be slowed down. This is a serious matter, it requires considerable knowledge and life experience.
  10. businessv
    businessv 8 August 2020 15: 53 New
    +1
    Raising these issues, the opposition (genuine, not "swamp-orange") strive to make our country even stronger, so that one can be proud not only of deep-sea vehicles, fighters and special forces, but also of the standard of living of ordinary Russian people.
    A good, calm article, which is consonant with the thoughts of many people in our country. Thank you, Ilya!
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 13: 41 New
      0
      A good rotten article promoting solidarity.
  11. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 15: 55 New
    +4
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Quote: Corona without virus
    In my life I haven't received a cent from abroad !!! I plowed like dad carlo since 20 years after serving in the SA - everything is mine - acquired by me, my labor !!!

    Actually, I wrote about the opposition in general. Well, if you have something acquired by your labor, then the authorities have given you the opportunity to earn it. Then where are you in opposition to it? drinks

    Claims 2 by and large am
    1. I was brazenly divorced and I believed that having reached the age of 60, having worked for the last 15 years as a hired employee on a white salary of 100+ thousand rubles, after retiring, I will live as a "white man" for at least another couple of years, make my dreams come true ... repeat even delirious, I do not expect to live to 65 bully
    2. When our company was bankrupt because of the crown, and Sobyanin was rearranging tiles on the sidewalks of Moscow ... Why could he support his wife's business, but we, ordinary citizens, had to stay at home, and even with a dog not move away from 100 meters from your house ?!
    1. Andrey.AN
      Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 22: 47 New
      +3
      It was not only you who were brazenly thrown away, having thrown pensions for five years, they threw everyone who does not have a super-income position, they threw about a million of everyone who did not have time. Such a scammer is only glad to be underdeveloped or officials who have a robust armchair. Could jot down a long list of deviations from presidential oaths on the constitution, but they are distracting.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 13: 44 New
        0
        The whole trouble is that those who scream that he was thrown with the pension reform in most of the real nichrome do not understand the issue from the word at all. Yes, this is a scam, but a pension reform is needed. The trick is what.
  12. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 16: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: Captive
    In my eyes, as a VO reader, you suffer from mild narcissism. hi Therefore, neither a minus nor a plus. laughing

    I will correct it - in a difficult one !!! wassat drinks
    I absolutely don't care about my rating here ... good on the other hand ... I wonder what they think of me hi
  13. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 16: 03 New
    0
    Quote: fif21
    Quote: Corona without virus
    Put pros and cons - I will understand who I am in the eyes of VO readers

    Quote: Corona without virus
    Put pros and cons - I will understand who I am in the eyes of VO readers

    It has been said - without feeding from outside! laughing

    I bring to your attention that pluses and minuses can be put on VO only by "internal" friends or vorogi wassat So - "without feeding from outside" in its pure form !!! laughing
  14. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 16: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: Thunderbringer
    Little was given. Well, or he is all himself, strictly in spite of.

    Nobody gave anything at all recourse I am all myself, "strictly contrary" good drinks
  15. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 16: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Thunderbringer
    Quote: Corona without virus
    If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?

    Of course not.
    Just without a diagnosis, natural.

    Refine your answer, pzhalsta ... repeat
    1. Alexga
      Alexga 8 August 2020 16: 35 New
      +2
      I do not understand why you are being given cons. The topic is relevant for almost everyone. To determine the positions of people, discussion is needed, not silent + or _.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 8 August 2020 17: 07 New
        +4
        What a discussion ... laughing What are you speaking about.... laughing In the 90s you want ... laughing here's the whole discussion laughing
        1. Alexga
          Alexga 8 August 2020 17: 09 New
          +2
          Well, then it's easier to go to "PM"!
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 8 August 2020 17: 12 New
            +2
            Underground? smile
            1. Alexga
              Alexga 8 August 2020 17: 16 New
              +2
              Well something like that. wassat
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 8 August 2020 17: 22 New
                +4
                This dialogue will be ... in a personal ... And here, you can read a lot of interesting things, including seeing how the media and propaganda were brainwashed, how new personalities are formed ... laughing And the author is well done, he suggested a "tricky" topic laughing
                1. Alexga
                  Alexga 8 August 2020 17: 34 New
                  +3
                  And the author is well done, he suggested a "tricky" topic

                  The topic is interesting, against the background of our pre-election events, it would be interesting to know what the local people think, but there are not many users from Belarus.
                  1. parusnik
                    parusnik 8 August 2020 17: 43 New
                    +2
                    I'm not from Belarus ... alas ..
                    1. Alexga
                      Alexga 8 August 2020 18: 10 New
                      +1
                      Alexey, I understand. This I expressed a wish.
  16. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 8 August 2020 16: 21 New
    +8
    At the end of the article, the author voiced the cherished dream of the Kremlin regime - the opposition must be obedient.
  17. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 16: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: parusnik
    If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?
    ... Not systemic ... laughing ..Conditionally, if, God forbid, for example, the communists of Greece will send you 100 euros ... you will become a foreign agent, and this is worse than not a systemic oppositionist ... laughing

    Rather, I will send the communists of Greece 100 euros than they will send me laughing wink
    It's a pity in Greece (about which they say that EVERYTHING is there !!! there is no party of anarchists recourse crying ) - I would definitely send them 100 euros !!! good tongue
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 8 August 2020 17: 10 New
      +2
      And you know there is ... and a fairly strong movement, they share leadership in the trade unions with the communists ... Send ... Support the labor movement ...
  18. Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 August 2020 16: 27 New
    +9
    Unexpected turn. But more recently. shouted. that the one who is against the government is a gang member. State Department and Navalnenok. And suddenly?!.
    1. Sen.
      Sen. 8 August 2020 16: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      And suddenly?!.

      Apparently something has happened or is happening, which we do not see or notice. Such articles do not appear out of the blue.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 8 August 2020 17: 03 New
        +6
        happens that we do not see and do not notice
        immediately after your comment ran into such a note.
        the generation of politicians who are now present in all sociological sections and polls as nationwide - "originally from the 90s, when there was inter-clan competition on television." "The television" promotion "of Vladimir Putin began in 2000, and after that none of the politicians were allowed to the federal television resource in order to promote themselves to the figure of the national level. The only exception here is the former Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, who was allowed in there in a very metered way only so that he would “warm the place” for Vladimir Putin, ”says Sergei Obukhov.

        He believes that despite the fact that over the past 20 years the government "tried to turn the competitive political field into a scorched desert", "we have worthy political leaders, and there are quite a few of them." “The finishing spurt will be very rapid, because they will actively manifest themselves in the political field as the charisma of the current president fades away, and this usually happens within 3-4 months after the next“ black swan ”takes off. So, I suppose, then a new figure will grow, and quite unexpectedly, "
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 8 August 2020 17: 28 New
          +3
          Hmm ... an interesting note ... I share the opinion of the author ... Especially in that part of turning a competitive political field into a scorched desert
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 8 August 2020 17: 11 New
      +2
      God works in mysterious ways... laughing
  19. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 16: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Senator
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    This is the most important thing: "without external feeding"!

    Most opposition parties exist, they exist, without "outside feeding." There is a layer of certain political movements financed by the opponents of our country. In the USSR, these included dissidents who received from abroad from finance to literature.

    You contradict yourself in your post !!! wassat
    Reread your post carefully. laughing
  20. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 16: 37 New
    0
    Quote: AlexGa
    If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?

    This is certainly not my business, but I would call you the Patriot of my Motherland. This is the position of an honest person, regardless of what the Motherland is called.

    THX!!! drinks
  21. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 16: 40 New
    0
    Quote: AlexGa
    I do not understand why you are being given cons. The topic is relevant for almost everyone. To determine the positions of people, discussion is needed, not silent + or _.

    Look - I'm already a "captain" on the forum wassat And when I started to write - there was a -2000+ rating - these zaputintsy actively minus me, but I'm used to it, and I'm not complaining drinks
    1. Alexga
      Alexga 8 August 2020 16: 51 New
      +4
      Well, how can I tell you, I generally get the impression that VO is Instagram for men with a stern look. What for these ratings would return the flags of members of the forum, otherwise, before answering, you will study a bunch of comments until you understand who you are talking to.
  22. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 16: 55 New
    0
    Quote: AlexGa
    Well, how can I tell you, I generally get the impression that VO is Instagram for men with a stern look. What for these ratings would return the flags of members of the forum, otherwise, before answering, you will study a bunch of comments until you understand who you are talking to.

    Well, here I will stand up for the VO Administration !!! drinks
    VO - the media ... and according to the law on the media - what is your post, what is my answer to it - from the point of view of the Law, we count with you on the main page of the newspaper "Pravda" in the years of the USSR bully hi
    So ... the VO administration just literally "between trickles" seeps through drinks
  23. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 8 August 2020 16: 57 New
    -5
    Ilya, as always, rounds and smoothes. Like Leopold the cat: "Guys, let's live together!" Only this is not always good. Sometimes you have to tell the truth!
    Are the oppositionists who CONSTANTLY criticize, find fault with everything, ALWAYS scold, revile the authorities and NEVER see ANYTHING good? No, they are irreconcilable opponents and enemies of the government, often enemies of Russia and Russians, if the government does something useful for Russia and the people, and they scold it.
    And who are the oppositionists in Russia? These are the HONEST and FAIR people who assess the actions of the Russian authorities in a balanced and objective manner: they praise and approve positive and good deeds, criticize negative and make reasonable proposals, and seek to eliminate shortcomings. These are the REAL oppositionists.
    And anyone can constantly scold the authorities and sob over the USSR gone into oblivion ...!
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 8 August 2020 17: 33 New
      +3
      And who are the oppositionists in Russia? Are these the HONEST and FAIR people who offered state funding for parties?
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 13: 52 New
      -1
      More caps are more. And that is not so convincing. laughing
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      that they assess the actions of the Russian authorities in a balanced and objective way: they praise and approve positive and good deeds, criticize the negative and make reasonable proposals, and seek to eliminate shortcomings.

      Here's the thing. Some shortcomings can be eliminated only with the power and the economic system that gave birth to it.
  24. Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 8 August 2020 17: 04 New
    +4
    The authenticity of the opposition is verified how?
    Loyalty to the people or to those who drive this people into poverty?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 8 August 2020 17: 35 New
      +5
      It looks like our opposition (I'm talking about the systemic one), together with the party of power, is driving the people into poverty ..
    2. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 8 August 2020 17: 41 New
      -1
      It is impossible to be in opposition to the people, if you are in opposition to the people - you are a degenerate and vomit (although it is quite permissible to criticize the negative aspects of individual representatives of the people). You can only be in opposition to the authorities!
  25. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 17: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: parusnik
    And you know there is ... and a fairly strong movement, they share leadership in the trade unions with the communists ... Send ... Support the labor movement ...

    About the "party of anarchists in Greece" - it was a "joke of humor" drinks wink
    Real anarchists can NOT have their own party - but there are movements, yes, there are big ones, I know good
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 8 August 2020 17: 39 New
      +1
      Got it ... I felt sorry for the money .. laughing And I did not write about the anarchist party ... I wrote about the fact that the anarchist movement has power in the trade unions ... laughing Long live May 1, the day of social partnership of labor and capital?
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 13: 53 New
        0
        Quote: parusnik
        May 1st day of social partnership of labor and capital?

        Glory to the officials and oligarchs. laughing
  26. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 17: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: businessv
    Quote: Corona without virus
    In my life I haven't received a cent from abroad !!!
    I'm embarrassed to ask, but I'll try. Are you a rich oppositionist who organized your own party, which passed the 5% threshold and is working in the Duma? repeat

    So far, even VO readers have not decided on their preferences, whether I am an oppositionist or not - the voting is in full swing laughing But if it suddenly turns out that I am an oppositionist, then I will start thinking about creating my own party, overcoming the five percent barrier and where will I spend that state money to support my party ... Maybe I'll buy an island ... maybe I will give it to orphanages ... wink
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 8 August 2020 17: 55 New
      +1
      And you are great good easily turned the discussion topic to a simple vote ... in your or not your favor, and the planned discussion was crumpled .. good
  27. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 17: 50 New
    -1
    Quote: parusnik
    Got it ... I felt sorry for the money .. laughing And I did not write about the anarchist party ... I wrote about the fact that the anarchist movement has power in the trade unions ... laughing Long live May 1, the day of social partnership of labor and capital?

    ah ... repeat and I wrote about money for the anarchist party - okay ... the joke did not come in wassat
  28. Kisa
    Kisa 8 August 2020 17: 55 New
    -3
    Quote: Crown without virus
    Put pros and cons - I will understand who I am in the eyes of VO readers good

    sorry to put you a minus - a potential Maidan resident and this is a dirty word among patriots
  29. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 18: 11 New
    0
    Quote: parusnik
    And you are great good easily turned the discussion topic to a simple vote ... in your or not your favor, and the planned discussion was crumpled .. good

    ATP for "Well done"! drinks
    But ... finally ... if my memory serves me ... the very first post under the article = mine - and there is just a vote in my favor or not in my favor ... good repeat

    And I NEVER run away from discussions !!! drinks Indicate where the discussion starts here - I will be actively involved! hi
  30. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 18: 14 New
    0
    Quote: kitty
    Quote: Crown without virus
    Put pros and cons - I will understand who I am in the eyes of VO readers good

    sorry to put you a minus - a potential Maidan resident and this is a dirty word among patriots

    Sure, not a problem!!! drinks
    Clarification - I am NOT a "Maidan" in life - I am a "lawyer" ... I love, you know, that everything would be according to the Law ... and before the law that EVERYTHING !!! were equal! drinks
  31. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 8 August 2020 19: 02 New
    +4
    This does not mean that the opposition is bad and wants to destroy the country. The main thing is that it must remain constructive and without external feeding.

    Considering that oppositional activity is disagreement, opposition, resistance, opposition of one's views to any other views, it remains only to find out how all this can be constructive. It is reckless to include in the opposition forces striving to destroy the statehood in the country and rid it of sovereignty.
    It should be noted that the opposition in the country operates (mainly) on the Internet. And the one that takes place in the State Duma cannot be called a priori, because it cannot influence decision-making and voting on the adoption of laws.

    Raising these issues, the opposition (genuine, not "swamp-orange") strive to make our country even stronger, so that one can be proud not only of deep-sea vehicles, fighters and special forces, but also of the standard of living of ordinary Russian people.

    The strength of such a huge country as the Russian Federation lies in its people. Over the past 30 years, the situation is developing in favor of the depletion of this force.
    No one will argue that it is from such a "happy" life that our country does not have a natural population growth. It's just amazing how, a quarter of a century later, people began to understand that that cheerful life on the screens of central channels has nothing to do with reality.
    Just one example. I am sorry for the country that allows residents of one city with a budget deficit of 52 rubles to hold the Scarlet Sails festival and spend 800 rubles each for 000 years in a row, when Russia still has schools without central heating, hot water and bathrooms.
    The province continues to run wild and impoverished, and a couple of Russian cities are sophisticated in inventing ways to spend the people's (taxes and profits collected in the regions) funds on various spectacular "show off".
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 8 August 2020 23: 06 New
      +2
      spectacular "show off"
      strengthen the braces, so they think at the top.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 13: 59 New
      -2
      Quote: ROSS 42
      It is reckless to include in the opposition forces striving to destroy the statehood in the country and rid it of sovereignty.

      Well, in general, yes it is the opposition. And if you are not aware of communism, this is the withering away and destruction of the state in the end. And there is nothing wrong with that. But the fighters for statehood, unfortunately, are not able to understand this. laughing
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 14: 02 New
      -2
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Just one example. I am sorry for the country that allows residents of one city with a budget deficit of 52 rubles to hold the Scarlet Sails festival and spend 800 rubles each for 000 years in a row, when Russia still has schools without central heating, hot water and bathrooms.
      The province continues to run wild and impoverished, and a couple of Russian cities are sophisticated in inventing ways to spend the people's (taxes and profits collected in the regions) funds on various spectacular "show off".

      Is Moscow to blame again? Or maybe the economic system that created the situation? And then, you know, and in Moscow, a lot of people live who do not glamor in Courchevels and do not roll out on personal yachts the size of an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean seas.
  32. Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 8 August 2020 19: 09 New
    +2
    "there are no special claims to the foreign policy of the Russian authorities"
    According to Rosstat, the poverty rate in Russia in 2019 rose to 19% in the second quarter.
    Why, then, do we provide generous assistance to other countries, "brotherly peoples"?
    And in response, when they have already received this help, we receive insults, various accusations, demands for compensation for the "occupation"
    Why more and more often both "white" and "red" unanimously repeat that Russia has only two allies - the army and the navy.
    What kind of policy is it that our enemies are multiplying, but not allies.
    Belarus is calculating its losses due to the change in Russian taxation, although these are not the losses of Belarus, but not the benefits received from Russia’s divorce for money, resources ...
  33. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 19: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: sniperino
    Quote: Corona without virus
    If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?
    You have to choose, because it is a matter of self-determination. The opposition is based on specific conceptual disagreements, therefore it always chooses which actions of the authorities should be supported and which should not (rarely occurs). "For everything good and against everything bad" is usually fought by: 1) political careerists, for whom power is really valuable for what they prefer not to talk about publicly, media managers of their offices, bots they paid for, and 2) outgoing leaders, media personalities , unsuccessful students and ordinary sofa politicians who find it difficult to look for their mistakes, but it is easier to blame all their stupid projects, failures and general dissatisfaction with life on the "rotting people" power, thereby, as if separating themselves from both people with disabilities and from people with unfounded claims, and simple lazy people.

    Quote: sniperino
    Quote: Corona without virus
    If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?
    You have to choose, because it is a matter of self-determination. The opposition is based on specific conceptual disagreements, therefore it always chooses which actions of the authorities should be supported and which should not (rarely occurs). "For everything good and against everything bad" is usually fought by: 1) political careerists, for whom power is really valuable for what they prefer not to talk about publicly, media managers of their offices, bots they paid for, and 2) outgoing leaders, media personalities , unsuccessful students and ordinary sofa politicians who find it difficult to look for their mistakes, but it is easier to blame all their stupid projects, failures and general dissatisfaction with life on the "rotting people" power, thereby, as if separating themselves from both people with disabilities and from people with unfounded claims, and simple lazy people.

    This is where I wrote that I am "For all good and against all bad" ?! am
    I kind of accurately, clearly and clearly wrote - "but "against" the Government, which spread rot on its own people"!!!
  34. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 8 August 2020 19: 59 New
    0
    The Opposition is the Opposition, so as not to be in solidarity with the Party of Power, including on foreign policy issues. As for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Country, their inviolability is enshrined in the Constitution. Any party, opposition or not, must conduct political activities within the framework of existing legislation and the Constitution. Otherwise, it is no longer a political party, but an extremist organization, and law enforcement agencies should deal with it. But this requires a normal Constitution, and not a filthy letter, which is rewritten every year. There should be an independent Constitutional Court, not under the control of Parliament and the President.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 14: 10 New
      -2
      Quote: Connor Macleod
      Any party, opposition or not, must conduct political activities within the framework of existing legislation and the Constitution.

      How do you imagine it? Are you generally sane? Any government writes laws for the ruling class that it represents. And in general, how are you going to change something with peaceful actions? Here in Khabarovsk, idiots have been walking for more than a month. What's the point? Is Putin gone? Have Furgal been returned? Let's leave aside the question of his involvement or non-involvement in the crimes of which he is accused.
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 9 August 2020 15: 51 New
        -1
        Specifically, a peaceful dialogue with you will definitely not work. Someone like you should not be allowed to approach politics with a cannon shot.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 17: 23 New
          -2
          Of course it won't. I don’t make ceremonies with demagogues shkolotronami. Don't say anything about politics at all, you don't understand it at all from the word.
  35. rocket757
    rocket757 8 August 2020 20: 49 New
    -2
    The national idea, the patriotic idea, very often coincide!
    The main thing here is not to go to extremes !!!
  36. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 8 August 2020 21: 06 New
    +3
    A blank article.
    Some philosophizing.
    Not considering programs, actions, budgets.

    Since they only talk about the collapse of the country, not even traitors, IMHO.
    Around a bunch of crooks, guards, provocateurs, thieves with access to the media
    .
    Here are Sobchaks? An opposition or a provocateur - a personal friend of the family who kicks open the doors in the Kremlin and with her mother - a senator for life ???
  37. itis
    itis 8 August 2020 21: 18 New
    0
    Enough to equip something!
    the essence of the arrangement of Russia (if you want, like in the west) is high pensions. here in Italy the pensioner is the king, the youth of Holota.
    the opposite is true. By the way, the Chinese (who are over measures here) have the same claim to their rulers.
    suggests the essence of socialism in the communist sense.
    without bae, these pensions will return to the economy, what are they afraid of?
    a serious (simplest) recipe for this well-groomed setup.
  38. Turist1996
    Turist1996 8 August 2020 21: 54 New
    -1
    Ilya, read the founders "carefully"! Marx, Engels and Ulyanov (Lenin)!
    Everything will become clear immediately: the economy is the nail of everything!
    And if so, then it is worth looking into "economic relations", probably ..
    Well, then - everything is point by point.
  39. Turist1996
    Turist1996 8 August 2020 21: 59 New
    +1
    By the way, as far as I know, not a single capitalist even thought to refute Marx's Capital.
    Well, this is so, to the fact that Marx himself was a "terry" capitalist, and knew the "system" well!
  40. iouris
    iouris 8 August 2020 22: 03 New
    +1
    You cannot compare "White" with "Shirokoy": "power" and "opposition party" are from different spheres. In general, we have no parties, so there are no opposition parties either. "Power" is a vague concept. There is a "state" and there are "subjects". Nationals either work in the state, or "belong" to it. Everything that is called "opposition parties" is a Fronde that has no real program and is not capable of performing management functions. In essence, in the current two-headed "democratic" system, we are witnessing the "struggle of the Nanai boys." Both boys are Nanai, they have one resource, and they are judged ... By the way, who are the judges?
  41. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 22: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: 30 vis
    Quote: Corona without virus
    If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?

    Decipher what kind of Russia you are. And what kind of power .. This is the usual slogan at the demonstration. anyone, for, whatever. ...

    I am decrypting !!! drinks
    1. Russia should be great - the whole story says that !!! If I am going to Crimea on vacation, I MUST !!! tama to use your Sberbank card, and cellular communication Megafon, Beeline or there MTS - #krymzhenash? ;) And according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation (even modified) - ANYONE !!! the region of Russia for the citizens of the Russian Federation is his state, in which he has the same rights and obligations !!! good Why is the Crimea not included in the zone of responsibility of the Russian Federation? am
    2. About Power ... finally - according to the Law lol - it is they - Power - "hired managers", and we - the PEOPLE - their "employers" - if by law ... good So ... according to the Laws ... I emphasize - according to the Laws - day and night they SHOULD take care of our welfare repeat When was the last time you saw that you and your family are cared for? winked
  42. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 22: 55 New
    -1
    Quote: Andrey.AN
    It was not only you who were brazenly thrown away, having thrown pensions for five years, they threw everyone who does not have a super-income position, they threw about a million of everyone who did not have time. Such a scammer is only glad to be underdeveloped or officials who have a robust armchair. Could jot down a long list of deviations from presidential oaths on the constitution, but they are distracting.

    Well, I honestly wrote - I have only two complaints against the Power - for the rest I have already gotten out wassat But with these two - well, no way ... am a scam of pure water ... and what to do - I have not yet understood ... recourse
  43. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 August 2020 23: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: gsev
    Quote: Corona without virus
    If I am "for" Great Russia, but "against" the Power, which spreads rot on its own people

    Aung San Suu Kyi managed to remove the generals from undivided power, although her country was able to win the war with the PRC and strangle Islamic separatism during this acute political struggle. For some reason, oppositionists in Russia often wish their country and their people defeat from external enemies. This is probably because Aung San Suu Kyi calmly renounced the title of honorary citizen of Canada and Paris for the sake of the interests of her people.

    While the voting is still going on and the people are figuring out whether I am an oppositionist or not there, I will give "the latest reports from the fronts." wassat
    HOW (if - underline the necessary bully ) everyone remembers, I wrote about two months ago in some topic that our company was closed due to "quarantine", I hang out in the country and ACTIVE !!! I'm looking for a new place of work ... I've probably already phoned 100+ companies, who, even in such a difficult time as now, are still looking for employees ... Roughly, I find a vacancy, I call, then the following dialogue:

    - I - hello, here I am calling you on such and such a vacancy
    - Do I have experience in similar positions?
    - I am 15 years old
    - I - your age?
    - I am 51 years old
    - To me - "We are very grateful to you that you called us, but you are NOT suitable for us, all the best" laughing lol

    And it’s me, at only 51 years old, I can’t get a job in my specialty !!! wassat About how if I suddenly get a job at 61 - it's not even funny !!!! crying
  44. nikvic46
    nikvic46 9 August 2020 06: 35 New
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    There are many parties, but none of them wants to be friends with the people. Some are looking for sponsors. Others sit on the budget. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is no longer a proletarian party, and not because there are no workers there. It has lost the traditions of the Bolsheviks, who worked with workers on the ground. And this was not a study of how to wave a cobblestone. first of all, know your rights. If a modern worker looks into the Labor Code, he will see in which cases he can suspend work without prejudice to himself. This is not a gift. This is the result of the struggle of workers in the 90s. They were imprisoned and even killed. I don’t want to talk about other parties. Something flashes in them. But this is often for PR.
  45. maiman61
    maiman61 9 August 2020 07: 44 New
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    And here is the question. Let's say that Grudinin came to power, then ALL opposition parties SHOULD be in solidarity with him, including the Putinites? I can imagine that the Putinites enthusiastically support Grudinin in everything, whatever he does! After all, they are for a stable state.
  46. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 9 August 2020 09: 14 New
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    Quote: maiman61
    And here is the question. Let's say that Grudinin came to power, then ALL opposition parties SHOULD be in solidarity with him, including the Putinites? I can imagine that the Putinites enthusiastically support Grudinin in everything, whatever he does! After all, they are for a stable state.

    Your question is from the realm of fantasy. Because Grudinin will never be the President of Russia. And Putin is the President by the will of the Russian people. No matter how you - his implacable opponents - hated him and were against his ANY actions viewed through a black magnifying glass.
    I will not be surprised if, after what has been said, I am bombarded with "minuses": after all, here is the place of gathering of life-long "honest fighters" - "Bolsheviks" - against Putin, who violently "drown" all those who disagree with them. yes yes yes
    1. iouris
      iouris 9 August 2020 10: 40 New
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      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      Putin is the President by the will of the Russian people.

      Well, I said: the opposition does not exist.
      Putin is not only the president, "Putin is Russia" (this is not me, this is V. Volodin).
  47. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 9 August 2020 11: 09 New
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    Quote: iouris
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    Putin is the President by the will of the Russian people.

    Well, I said: the opposition does not exist.
    Putin is not only the president, "Putin is Russia" (this is not me, this is V. Volodin).

    As far as I know, you are a normal person. But why flirt? Putin is a man with many flaws. It is far from perfect. BUT he is a patriot, has done and is doing a lot of useful things for Russia. If we weigh both negative and positive, then the positive will outweigh. Just because he took Russia away from the abyss of final decay and enslavement, he will need to erect a monument (later)! But equating Putin with Russia is a clear exaggeration of sycophants: Putin will leave one day, and ETERNAL Russia will remain. And, of course, Putin is being replaced. I just want the person who replaced him to be no less a patriot and no more stupid.

    And the opposition, NORMAL opposition, MUST be in every self-respecting state, so that the government does not sleep and does not soar in the clouds! Only those who furiously and indiscriminately scold ANY actions of the authorities NOT the opposition. Who are they? Well, figure it out for yourself.
    1. iouris
      iouris 9 August 2020 12: 26 New
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      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      opposition, NORMAL opposition MUST be in every self-respecting state

      You see, the "state" is a machine for suppressing one class by another (very small in number). "Democracy" is impossible, since 5% of "people" have more capital than "the rest of the people" (about 95%). The long-known (since the beginning of the 80th century) "Pareto principle" says that this distribution was once in a ratio of 20% to 95% (approximately). Capital has power, and power is used to redistribute capital (within the ruling class). What is given to the other XNUMX%? Exactly as much as is necessary to preserve the existing system of management and distribution of benefits. And no opposition, no leader (including ... Lukashenka) is able to change this order. If there is opposition, it is only within the ruling class, among different groups, since their interests are competing. References to patriotism don't matter.
    2. iouris
      iouris 9 August 2020 20: 15 New
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      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      As far as I know, you are a normal person. But why flirt? Putin is a man

      1) You cannot know this. Maybe I'm a bot.
      2) You should not humiliate others by giving them your subjective assessments (even positive ones). Here, formally, everyone is equal, there should be no hierarchical subordination.
      3) I am not joking, I just repeated what V. Volodin said.
      4) I am not familiar with Putin the man. "Putin" is a position. The same Volodin told us that Putin is Russia. Well, then that's the way it is. Don't you believe)? (Don't answer, freedom of conscience is guaranteed by the constitution).
  48. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 9 August 2020 12: 50 New
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    Quote: Where we are, there is victory
    - "but" against "Power, which spread rot on its own people" !!!
    What power are you hinting at?
    The Russian government is no worse than any other and acts in accordance with the requests of the Russian people.

    I hint at Russian Power laughing
    I won't even go far - let's take the last six months with "under-quarantine" ....
    10-15 ++ million new unemployed people in six months - is this normal in your opinion ?! am
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 14: 28 New
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      Where are these figures about 10-15 million? From the ceiling? Does he see an artist like that? And with regards to power, it could be worse. See what's going on in the country as a standard of capitalism. We are going the same way, so be glad we haven't caught up with the USA yet. Capitalism has demonstrated its utter insignificance in the fight against the pandemic. With the enormous resources and power of the world economy, it is a terrible shame to fail to provide people with the means of protection and treatment in time.
  49. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 9 August 2020 12: 56 New
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    Quote: user1212
    Quote: Corona without virus
    If I am “for” Great Russia, but “against” the Power, which is spreading rot on its own people, am I an oppositionist, or not?

    Give an example of a government that builds a great state, but does not spread rot on its people. The history of mankind is big, at least one such should be found. But for some reason, no. Genghis Khan, who built the largest empire in the world, how many of his own did he cut? The USSR and the Russian kingdom, the French, English, Spanish colonial empires, the Reich, the Qing Empire ... All to one degree or another imposed obligations on people and strictly enforced the observance of not the most just laws. Transferring to our time, why is there not a single successful company in which complete "democracy" and "creative freedom" reign? The same Tim Cook, who got Apple out of the ass, was famous for a very tough manner of leadership, and Google, in which they introduced slovenliness as a corporate strategy, for 20 years has not been able to release a single intelligible product (androyd 5 differs from android 10 less than AKM from AK-15)

    Example: the USSR during Stalin's period ... Stalin spread rot on his people, but he also built a Great Power - he went from a plow to an atomic bomb ... And now what ?! am Only probably the laziest government of foreign countries did not impose sanctions against Russia ... And I have a QUESTION: "Are we trembling creatures or have the right ?!" (c) from the classics of Russian literature

    Why "one-sided game" ?! Are we already a third-rate country in Africa ???
    1. Shilka
      Shilka 9 August 2020 13: 10 New
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      Quote: Corona without virus
      USSR Stalin's period ... Stalin spread rot on his people, but he also built a Great Power - he went from plow to atomic bomb ... And now what ?! am Only probably the laziest government of foreign countries did not impose sanctions against Russia ... And I have a QUESTION: "Are we trembling creatures or have the right ?!" (c) from the classics of Russian literature

      This is a good question that is constantly spread around the world .. hi
      Quote: Corona without virus
      Why "one-sided game" ?! Are we already a third-rate country in Africa ???

      We are the ones who have the ability to break their backbone and stand our ground!
      And they are terribly afraid of this, trying to destroy us from the inside, the souls of our grandchildren and children ..
      And we do not give it to them .. And we keep the memory!

      We can repeat .. soldier
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 14: 39 New
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      The harsh methods of Stalin and the communists in general were caused by the dire circumstances in which the country was. Backward industry, agriculture and science. Economic blockade and sanctions of the advanced capitalist states. Preparing for the imminent war. And the communists did all this not for the sake of the mythical Great State, but for the sake of the people. For the sake of a bright future for future generations. And what we have now is not Putin's merit by and large, but the merit of those communists and the Soviet people in general. I do not deny the individual merits of Putin, but the whole question is that the further the more they begin to outweigh his mistakes and, in general, the initially incorrectly chosen course. Ardent adherents of which he remains to this day. And yes, Putin is not only Putin, it is the ruling class that nominated him and whose interests he represents.
    3. iouris
      iouris 9 August 2020 20: 03 New
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      Quote: Corona without virus
      Are we already a third-rate country in Africa ???

      There is no place for us in the classification system.
  50. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 9 August 2020 13: 29 New
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    Quote: 30 vis
    Decipher what kind of Russia you are. And what kind of power ..

    And in response, silence, no arguments or explanations. Stupidly, the minuses are molding .. It is understandable to say nothing, so the spatter of saliva flew ...