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Military pensions in Russia and in the West: what are the similarities and differences of the pension system

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A military pension is a worthy remuneration for a former soldier for many years and conscientious military work. Different countries have different military pension systems. But they also have common features.


Military pensions in Russia


In Russia, as in other countries of the world, servicemen have a special status, and the pension system is the main measure of social support for those who left the ranks of the armed forces and security forces with military service due to seniority or in the event of disability. The foundations of pension provision for servicemen were laid back in Soviet times.

As the main conditions for the appointment of a military seniority pension, one can name at least 20 years of service (at the same time, calendar years may be less, taking into account service in special risk units, difficult climatic conditions, etc.), age 45 and older with the presence of a total work experience of 25 calendar years and 12,6 years of military service including. The size of a military pension is determined by military service, position, rank, the amount of money allowance, the availability of conditions for the appointment of allowances. It should be noted that if, after leaving the armed forces, a military pensioner continued to work in civilian structures, the presence of a military pension is not an obstacle to receiving a civilian pension.

Military retirees, on average, retire 20 years earlier than most civilian workers and employees. And this is quite fair given the difficult conditions of service in the military. Do not forget that not only pilots, submariners or paratroopers, but also signalmen, food service specialists, motorists and representatives of all military specialties without exception risk their lives, carry out orders, and serve in very difficult conditions. Therefore, it should not be surprising or outrageous that a logistician, a medical specialist, or a financier also retires on a military seniority pension at a much earlier age than civilian specialists.

How things are in other countries


Don't think that Russia's military pension provision is unique. Almost all countries in the world provide an opportunity for military personnel to retire earlier, and military pensions are also high there. In the United States, persons who have served in the armed forces for at least 20 years, as well as those who are dismissed due to disability, enjoy the right to retirement benefits after leaving the armed forces.


The US military knows that after leaving the service, they will receive good money

Officers are eligible for retirement after 10 years of service in officer positions. The same applies to warrant officers, sergeants, and privates if they have served in officer positions. If a disability was acquired by a soldier not due to the performance of official duties, then in order to retire on a disability pension, he must have a length of service of 8 years of service.

The size of the pension is usually 50% of the money allowance, but with a length of service of 30 years, this figure rises to 75% of the money allowance. Also, military pensioners have a number of benefits, including free travel for them and their families around the country, the right to unemployment benefits for 2 years after leaving the service. If you have the right to receive any other pension, a military pensioner can choose the one that suits him best from a financial point of view.

In the French Armed Forces, you can retire after 15 years of service. Officers who have not reached the age limit and have not served 25 years, begin to receive a military pension only upon reaching the age of 50.

Professional soldiers of the German Bundeswehr are paid severance pay upon dismissal from the armed forces. They have the right to apply for a military pension after 10 years of military service. If you have 10 years of service, the pension is set at 35% of the salary, 2% is charged for each subsequent year, and 25% for each year after 1 years of service.

Thus, an officer or non-commissioned officer who has served in the army for 30 years will receive a pension in the amount of approximately 70% of his salary by rank and position. It is also worth noting that military personnel who have served 20 years or more have a number of benefits related to housing and utility costs.

As you can see, in different countries of the world, the pension provision of military personnel has common features, but there are also some nuances. Although it is customary among civilian pensioners in Russia to envy military pensioners, I would like to note that the military pension system is not without its problems. Servicemen who have served in low ranks, for the most part, receive relatively small pensions, which, perhaps, are higher than those of many civilian specialists, but they are far from "space" ones.
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  1. Snail N9
    Snail N9 4 August 2020 11: 15
    -7
    Military retirees, on average, retire 20 years earlier than most civilian workers and employees. And this is quite fair given the difficult conditions of service in the military.

    That is, given the "solidary" pension system in the Russian Federation enshrined in the updated Constitution, from that time (20 years earlier) they sit on the neck of the rest, working and paying taxes ... Yeah, very "fair" ....
    1. tanit
      tanit 4 August 2020 11: 29
      18
      sit on the neck of the rest, working and paying taxes

      And imagine that "they" can work and pay taxes themselves? How does it not work out?
      1. vVvAD
        vVvAD 4 August 2020 13: 02
        10
        Yes, and then receive a civil pension.
        I, of course, understand that the military will throw stones at me (they will completely minus me), but here is my view on the problem of a purely civilian person:
        It would be fair to choose a pension, as in the United States, and in terms of accrual - an annually calculated interest, as in Germany. And also with the motivation of the turnover of the composition in the form of a decrease in the annually added percentage - where it is necessary, depending on the interest of the state.
        In terms of the length of service before retirement, it seems to me, 3 factors should be taken into account: how well a person in his position can perform his job qualitatively for health reasons (the interest of the state, raises the bar), the correlation of the chance of death or disability compared to civilian indicators (lowers the bar) ... Accordingly, these indicators will differ according to the types and types of troops, positions, specifics of service. Those. so that it was impossible to leave the rear units after 10 calendar years of service. Or, say, in the form of a restriction in the form of calendar years. In general, I am a supporter of a flexible approach, smooth scales, etc.: this is both a good motivator and insurance against fatal accidents for those who have not been praised for N years, months, days before the due pension or allowance, which is unfair.
        The size of the pension upward should also be influenced by the frequency of changes in the geographical change of the place of service (and this is a family, a wife, who, as a rule, cannot count on a career) with the following obligatory addition: I consider the existing pension system not conducive to strengthening family values ​​and sometimes even morally demoralizing, because, firstly, having a material advantage both during service and after, it is the military who will have an advantage in the division of children during the divorce proceedings, although they themselves may initiate a break and / or have a young mistress and lead not the most moral Lifestyle. Since wives traditionally follow their spouses, I think it is simply humanly just either a part of the future military pension (as a percentage) to accrue to the wife, starting from a certain period of life together during the period of the husband's military service and until its end, but only the one who has such a period is higher (the difference is not more than 10-25% should be considered separately), or this part of the pension should be withdrawn (in this case, I admit an increase in the percentage with an increase in the duration of the marriage and consider it necessary to introduce the concept of "pension of the spouse of a military man (s) ") so that the military understands that the thoughtless rebuilding of the family" building "will affect their well-being not for the better - but only if the spouses live together within the agreed time frame.
        Have you read it? Well, now throw it :-)
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 4 August 2020 13: 07
          -2
          And you check your calculation on yourself first, and then offer others. hi
          1. vVvAD
            vVvAD 4 August 2020 13: 29
            +4
            Here I have been waiting dear wink
            You understand that I have no opportunity to test this either on myself or on anyone else. And I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth. Like you, I express my opinion.
            In general, it seems to me that in the modern age of computing technology, rigid thresholds (with the exception of minimum ones) in the economy are not fair in principle, and not only with regard to the military, pensions, etc.
            There is an amendment to the constitution regarding the indexation of pensions, but it is about nothing - here is its text:
            Article 75, part 6 "In the Russian Federation, a system of pension provision for citizens is formed on the basis of the principles of universality, fairness and solidarity of generations and its effective functioning is supported, and pensions are indexed at least once a year in accordance with the procedure established by federal law."
            Firstly, what will be in this federal law is unknown, and secondly, it seems that the overwhelming majority of pensioners, both civilian and military, are indifferent to inflation on petroleum products (except perhaps except for output products - gasoline, fuels and lubricants, etc.) , luxury goods, air travel, prices for foreign tours (we are still talking about inflation on them, not about the price level) and much more, which lowers the average annual inflation rate, on the basis of which pensions are indexed, but which does not reduce inflation for really necessary things: food, consumer goods, the same fuel for personal cars, utility services, etc.
            And as for the increase in pensions (in terms of purchasing power parity) and the possibility of a man in civilian life to live up to it in fact - I am generally silent.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 4 August 2020 13: 38
              +1
              Now I’ll see my pension. ” Yes, and retired at 1969.
              1. vVvAD
                vVvAD 4 August 2020 14: 11
                +1
                I unambiguously agree about the funded pension. And she could also become inherited. But this is our state ...
                Please accept my regret if it means anything to you.
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 4 August 2020 14: 16
                  +1
                  By the way, it is necessary for pensioners to look at the report of the state FIU during the caronvirus that he did not make bad money on the market collapse.
                  1. For example
                    For example 4 August 2020 15: 43
                    +4
                    A military pension is a worthy remuneration for a former soldier for many years and conscientious military work.


                    Is pensions to other people something else? request

                    Judging by the size of pensions, everyone else is receiving unworthy remuneration
            2. vVvAD
              vVvAD 5 August 2020 16: 00
              +2
              In general, economics, like sociology, uses mathematical methods (for example, the same probability theory and calculations from higher mathematics), i.e. accurate, allowing to achieve a high degree of reliability of the study and forecast). Why is there such a gigantic gap in reliability between sociological and economic forecasts? And everything is simple: sociologists are engaged in sociology, and brokers and officials are engaged in economics. In short, anyone other than specialists in the exact sciences.
            3. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 11 August 2020 09: 15
              0
              The military does not receive pensions through the pension system. Military pensions are part of the military spending of the state
        2. dedusik
          dedusik 4 August 2020 20: 43
          +4
          The civilian pension of the military is minuscule, in relation to the military, and even then it is paid
          The procedure for calculating the size of the second pension for military personnel differs from the usual rules for calculating the amount of insurance payments. According to part 1 of Art. 16 of Law No. 400-FZ of December 28.12.2013, 2020, citizens who served in the military or equivalent to it, who are already receiving security for length of service or disability, the amount of the fixed payment is not included in the amount of the insurance pension (in 5686,25, its size, for example, will be XNUMX rubles).

          Yes, plus everything you need to be 65 years old + collect the required number of insurance points, and, as mentioned above, while working, they pay taxes like everyone else.
          Well, and one more nuance - a civilian can work at least a dozen jobs, and a military man, while serving, is prohibited from engaging in other activities besides service, except for teaching
          1. dedusik
            dedusik 4 August 2020 22: 09
            +2
            Let's say a soldier retired at 45 and went to work with a salary of 25 thousand a month. Has accumulated a civilian work experience of 20 years, the civil pension received by him will be only 4318,91 rubles.
            1. dedusik
              dedusik 4 August 2020 22: 25
              +2
              Even for a bottle of Armenian brandy Ararat Nairi 20 is not enough bully
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 4 August 2020 11: 30
      -5
      Quote: Snail N9
      sit on the neck of the rest, working and paying taxes ...

      You yourself understood what you said? What population and on what neck?
      In a common stall and, work, work and work.
    3. Woodman
      Woodman 4 August 2020 11: 31
      +5
      Quote: Snail N9
      sit on the neck of the rest, working and paying taxes ...

      Especially in light of the fact that here "in certain circles", so to speak, it is customary to justify in every possible way "self-employed" and working for a salary "in envelopes" ... But this is "a completely different matter", right? They don't affect the size of the pension, right?
      In their desire to poke some commentators have completely "lost the shores". Well, or completely lie.
      1. papazar4
        papazar4 6 August 2020 07: 48
        +3
        Abolish the reduction factor of military pensioners or the end of Russia
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      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 4 August 2020 11: 40
        +3
        Yes, there are enemies all around. They will be bombed like the former Yugoslavia, which for some reason has been "bombed," and is striving for all the bombers in the EU ... Orwell wrote about this for a long time ...
    5. Hagen
      Hagen 4 August 2020 12: 07
      +2
      Quote: Snail N9
      sit on the neck

      Take them off your neck, there will be another on your neck, not the fact that it is lighter laughing
    6. Captain45
      Captain45 4 August 2020 12: 12
      16
      Quote: Snail N9
      That is, given the "solidary" pension system in the Russian Federation enshrined in the updated Constitution, from that time (20 years earlier) they sit on the neck of the rest, working and paying taxes ... Yeah, very "fair" ....

      You haven't served a day in the course, that's why you reason ...
    7. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 4 August 2020 12: 55
      +9
      Of course, nonsense is easier to carry than a log. If there was a decent pension, I would have "sat down" on my neck, and so ... from 1999 to the present, I haven't skipped a single day.
    8. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 4 August 2020 12: 56
      14
      Quote: Snail N9
      Yeah, very "fair" ....

      The problem is not military pensioners. The problem is in the pension system as a whole.
      Under the USSR, people worked for the state, and the state paid them a pension. In fact, in the form of pensions, people received part of the products of industry and agriculture.
      In the 90s, almost all state property was handed out to private hands. Freely and without encumbrances, in the form of financing those very pensioners. Sources for funding pensions have dried up. The only adequate solution would be to pay pensions from the budget to those who earned them under the Union, completely for those who have already retired, and partially for those who work. Well, in the rest ... Take an example from the United States. What we have accumulated ourselves, then we burst. Well, the state's help to the poorest.
      However, the most social state in the world saw those pensioners in their grave. The care of those whose pensions it gave to the Abramovichs to different people was successfully shifted onto the shoulders of the working people, plus an extremely inadequate tax system has been created in Russia. Focused on profits from raw material business, squeezing money out of the poor, and creating the most favorable conditions for the rich. An adequate budget, with such a system, is basically unrealistic. That is, in fact, all the roots of Russia's pension problems. Revision of the income tax, even according to the American, even according to the European, even according to the Chinese models, will give from 1.5 to 2 trillion. Little? More than the PFR budget deficit in the area of ​​pensions. And you can not raise the penny, but lower it. Or 3 aircraft carriers for the Navy, annually. Or 300 Su-35 for the Aerospace Forces, also annually. Even if purchased at prices for Indonesia. About the same amount can be obtained for personal income tax, if we introduce at least Chinese standards for it.
      Those. The whole problem of pensions in Russia is that, in terms of importance to the state, pensioners are much lower than Sechin's dogs. Sechin will send dogs to landoons to an exhibition, boasting, and what to take from a pensioner? This is the problem, not the military.
    9. Fitter65
      Fitter65 4 August 2020 13: 07
      13
      Quote: Snail N9
      sit on the neck of the rest, working and paying taxes.

      Let's start with the fact that the military also pay taxes, this time. If you were not attracted to military service in order to have a good pension by old age, then these are your two problems.
    10. Birch fresh
      Birch fresh 4 August 2020 13: 26
      13
      I sit straight on my neck. Prapor, 24 years of service. Pension 13900.
      So I work and pay taxes.
      By the way, he did not serve in a warehouse - he did not acquire apartments and cars with dachas.
      1. prior
        prior 4 August 2020 15: 01
        +9
        Engineer. 46 years of experience. Pension 16 300. I did not receive uniforms and rations. 2 years of military service. I continue to work. I pay taxes.
        Somehow this country is not very grateful to either ensigns or engineers.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 5 August 2020 09: 04
          +7
          Quote: prior
          Engineer. 46 years of experience. Pension 16 300. I did not receive uniforms and rations. 2 years of military service. I continue to work. I pay taxes.
          Somehow this country is not very grateful to either ensigns or engineers.

          Moreover, back in 2012, Medvedev's government without any hesitation got into the pocket of military pensioners by setting a 0,54% reduction coefficient for retirement. In fact, none of the military pensioners receives their earned pension in full. This Medvedev initiative, inherited by Mishustin, is still working. During its operation, each military pension lost 20% of pension payments. By and large, the state has ceased to fully fulfill its obligations to the military. I don't know if the government and the commander-in-chief would have been satisfied with the circumstance if the military and employees equated with them, after the introduction of this coefficient, began to perform combat and service tasks by 54%, after which they stuck bayonets into the ground and stomped into the barracks.
          1. Aag
            Aag 5 August 2020 17: 16
            +3
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Quote: prior
            Engineer. 46 years of experience. Pension 16 300. I did not receive uniforms and rations. 2 years of military service. I continue to work. I pay taxes.
            Somehow this country is not very grateful to either ensigns or engineers.

            Moreover, back in 2012, Medvedev's government without any hesitation got into the pocket of military pensioners by setting a 0,54% reduction coefficient for retirement. In fact, none of the military pensioners receives their earned pension in full. This Medvedev initiative, inherited by Mishustin, is still working. During its operation, each military pension lost 20% of pension payments. By and large, the state has ceased to fully fulfill its obligations to the military. I don't know if the government and the commander-in-chief would have been satisfied with the circumstance if the military and employees equated with them, after the introduction of this coefficient, began to perform combat and service tasks by 54%, after which they stuck bayonets into the ground and stomped into the barracks.

            You forgot to mention the buried benefits for V. pence and their family members ... monetization (with rising inflation), deferred deadlines (some of the benefits are now available upon reaching retirement age, ... which has also been shifted) ...
    11. Aag
      Aag 5 August 2020 08: 43
      +2
      Quote: Snail N9
      Military retirees, on average, retire 20 years earlier than most civilian workers and employees. And this is quite fair given the difficult conditions of service in the military.

      That is, given the "solidary" pension system in the Russian Federation enshrined in the updated Constitution, from that time (20 years earlier) they sit on the neck of the rest, working and paying taxes ... Yeah, very "fair" ....

      You are not going there idlers ...
      Let me answer in more detail later, sorry, -work ..
      Pensioner MO. hi
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 4 August 2020 11: 20
    +2
    And how much do military pensioners get now? Mom in Kazakhstan retired at 50, a builder, receives 136000 tenge or 23900 rubles, 2 years were not enough for me to reach the length of service, in Tajikistan they gave three preferential payments per year, otherwise I would have retired at 32.
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 4 August 2020 13: 16
      +4
      Quote: Pessimist22
      And how much do military pensioners get now?

      Senior warrant officer, 6 net, 45 years of service, in the calendars 31 years 10 months and 10 days, of which 26 in areas equated to RKS pension at the moment 27963 rubles. Of course, whoever does not have "northern", "nuclear" and other benefits, it is correspondingly less ...
  3. Tests
    Tests 4 August 2020 11: 22
    14
    Considering the unique bureaucratic pensions of state and, until recently, municipal civil servants in the Russian Federation, the Supreme has not fulfilled the laws he himself signed since 2014, never once, in any year, on the indexation of "military pensions" ("faces", and every I do not take into account the "risking the life and health of the prosecutor's office" officials) to envy the pensions of those who actually served, in Russia only those who have not even tried to figure it out in this matter ... Maybe I am mistaken, I tried to figure it out, but how- then quickly abandoned the case. It's always easier to bawl ...
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 11 August 2020 09: 23
      0
      Quote: Tests
      "faces"


      You are not looking for enemies there. Military pension for FSB employees is all on a general basis. The same ponzhayka and other delights. The only plus is that the official salaries are higher than those of the MO.
      But the pension of military prosecutors and military judges is still a pest! There, they just do not use a lowering ...
  4. andrewkor
    andrewkor 4 August 2020 11: 28
    +4
    The most privileged pensioners in Uzbekistan are security officials of various types. I, a simple worker from the former TAPOiCH, have 39 years of experience, a pension of $ 150, which is very good for Uzbekistan. My father-in-law, major, military representative, twice as much.
  5. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 4 August 2020 11: 34
    13
    The author does not touch upon the essence of pension systems and may be correct, because the topic is broad, but I want to give a damn about the solidary pension system, which makes everyone poor in retirement.

    This idea all my life to give money to the state and then expect a decent life from it somehow did not come true from the word at all. The state distributes money at its own discretion and not always for pure purposes (you will vote for me and I will give you a penny) and the graters begin - why is it so much for me and you have more, etc.

    In the end, the state rips you off and leaves you beggars. I want personal retirement accounts that my family can inherit if I die.

    And for all kinds of help and solidarity with others, I pay heavy taxes and from there the state can distribute.
  6. iouris
    iouris 4 August 2020 11: 34
    +5
    The need to compare pensions in the United States and the Russian Federation is not relevant. It is a bad idea to show off your high pension in our difficult time for the state: they can correct it.
    1. dauria
      dauria 4 August 2020 12: 23
      -4
      The need to compare pensions in the USA and the Russian Federation is not relevant

      You can compare salaries.
      Senior pilot 22-24 thousand dollars per year
      Deputy com. shelf (in our opinion) - 36 thousand dollars per year
      Police officer - up to 22 thousand per year.
      Nurse with a license from $ 86 to $ 100 thousand per year.

      In the United States, they serve for scanty wages and benefits for an early guaranteed pension.
      Judging by the fact that in the civil service (not the army) we now have young people in a shaft - somewhere there is a strong bias. By the way about the birds. On Sakhalin, old people in the USSR with all the allowances came out to 400. Local hard workers laughed at such a "salary".
      In the center, the alignment was approximately the same - he received comrades as a turner on a 6th-grade deal (260-280).
      1. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 4 August 2020 12: 49
        +8
        Do not lie. I've lived on Sakhalin all my life, 400 in Soviet times were a very good salary, few people received more. Of the hard workers, perhaps the highest grade welded, but there is work, God forbid.
        1. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 4 August 2020 13: 01
          +1
          Well, the foreman of electricians seemed to receive 500.
        2. dauria
          dauria 4 August 2020 13: 05
          -3
          Do not lie. I've been living on Sakhalin all my life

          Well, it means that boastful guys lived in Novo-Aleksandrovsk, Anivsky district in the 88th year. We talked about 600 rubles. I did not see their leaflets, but the coefficients strongly depended on how long I lived there. laughing
          Hello to the country of burdocks and dandelions. How is it now, the fern is harvested for the Japanese?
        3. Aag
          Aag 5 August 2020 17: 35
          0
          Quote: Sahalinets
          Do not lie. I've lived on Sakhalin all my life, 400 in Soviet times were a very good salary, few people received more. Of the hard workers, perhaps the highest grade welded, but there is work, God forbid.

          Please be calm, there are different situations ...
          I have a photo of my friend's Komsomol card. In 1988, a mechanic after a vocational school, Bratsk district, Irkutsk region: salary 400 rubles. True, in the summer months. At the same time, a lieutenant in the ZabVO (I have) 325 rubles. Engineers with 20 years of experience in the Baltics have 220-260 rubles.
          In the 95th: the command regiment of the Strategic Missile Forces, ZabVO, p / p-k 4400r (I don’t remember, maybe there were millions, not the essence); driver of a city shuttle bus, Moscow 5000-6000r.
      2. K298rtm
        K298rtm 4 August 2020 20: 30
        0
        In 1980. the official salary of the submarine group was equal to the salary of a tram car washer in Moscow (130 rubles)
        1. dauria
          dauria 4 August 2020 21: 16
          +2
          In 1980. official salary


          But other ? You are already saying everything. Salary + title (without distance and length of service, there according to terms) for summer in 1984 ZabVO 130 + 120. 250 p. It seems decent. True, the wives are not arranged in almost half, there is simply nowhere. They paid decently in the DRA. There are 2 times the salary of the title (for some reason minus 50 rubles) and 273 checks of the VPT up to the captain inclusive. That was exactly how it was. Believe it or not.
          1. Andrey NM
            Andrey NM 6 August 2020 07: 03
            0
            Quote: K298rtm
            In 1980. the official salary of the submarine group was equal to the salary of a tram car washer in Moscow (130 rubles)

            Quote: dauria
            But other ? You are already saying everything. Salary + title (without distance and length of service, there according to terms) for summer in 1984 ZabVO 130 + 120. 250 p. It seems decent. True, the wives are not arranged in almost half, there is simply nowhere.

            Then let's add another 50% "northern" or 100% "Kamchatka" to the salary + title, 80% polar, marine up to 50%, etc. and the like. In general, it worked well. But they just don't say that if once a month the submariner then had one day off, then it's great, if you went ashore a couple of times a week, that's already good. And a year under 200 days at sea under water? And let's also remember the S-80, K-19, K-279, K-219, K-141, "Losharik" and others ...
      3. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 5 August 2020 11: 50
        +2
        Quote: dauria
        Senior pilot 22-24 thousand dollars per year

        Something you have is incorrect, maybe this is for the title .. in the United States, the average (without taxes) for non-military ZP-49000 per year ..
        and in the US Air Force, captains receive from $ 47 to $ 563 per year.
  7. gv2000
    gv2000 4 August 2020 11: 36
    -2
    Quote: Snail N9
    Yeah, very "fair" ....

    Yeah. And they also sit around the working and paying taxes during the service and like doing nothing. For what only they are paid! True, no one bombs the working and paying population (like Yugoslavia, Libya and others), does not force them into camps, does not impose occupation orders ... But this goes without saying. So I fully understand the indignation of the "hard workers". But no matter how you go to the store - everything is China. They can't even make paper clips themselves, but everything is there.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 4 August 2020 12: 11
      0
      Quote: gv2000
      True, no one bombs the working and paying population (like Yugoslavia, Libya and others), does not force them into camps, does not impose occupation orders ... But this goes without saying. So I fully understand the indignation of the "hard workers".

      The population is not bombed because there are such tough guys on their necks that it is more expensive to bomb the population under them ... As I understand it, are you kidding? wink
    2. Varyag71
      Varyag71 4 August 2020 12: 29
      0
      You don’t understand anything, otherwise you wouldn’t write this nonsense.
    3. Aag
      Aag 5 August 2020 17: 48
      0
      Quote: gv2000
      Quote: Snail N9
      Yeah, very "fair" ....

      Yeah. And they also sit around the working and paying taxes during the service and like doing nothing. For what only they are paid! True, no one bombs the working and paying population (like Yugoslavia, Libya and others), does not force them into camps, does not impose occupation orders ... But this goes without saying. So I fully understand the indignation of the "hard workers". But no matter how you go to the store - everything is China. They can't even make paper clips themselves, but everything is there.

      Well, you see, this is not the fault of the hard workers ...
      In the same way, as the service people tear their navels, in spite of everything, maintaining their defenses ...
      ... In general, I think that all sorts of talking heads with painted lips in colonel's, general's shoulder straps are a strong annoying factor, either for servicemen or for hard workers. For each his own ... spit ...
      1. gv2000
        gv2000 6 August 2020 14: 42
        0
        Quote: AAG
        For each his own ... spit ...

        The fact of the matter is that they spit on everyone in uniform.
        1. Aag
          Aag 6 August 2020 15: 36
          0
          Quote: gv2000
          Quote: AAG
          For each his own ... spit ...

          The fact of the matter is that they spit on everyone in uniform.

          Don't give a damn about civilians?
  8. Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 4 August 2020 11: 37
    +1
    and signalmen, food service specialists, motorists and representatives of all military specialties without exception risk their lives, carry out orders, and serve in very difficult conditions.

    Here he laughed.
    Well actually yes. The rear operators really take a risk .. when the products are taken out of the warehouses.
    1. tanit
      tanit 4 August 2020 11: 47
      +9
      ALEXANDER Alekseevich Korenev. 23 years old, contract-based sergeant, drafted on April 22.04.2004, 135 from the city of Shakhty, Rostov Region, 08.08.2008 MTR, radiotelegraph operator. Killed on XNUMX in the city of Tskhinval in the "Upper town" of the peacekeepers.
      NIKOLAI Rurikovich Dmitriev. 39 years old, private soldier, drafted on 03.11.2007, VK Konstantinovsky and Ust-Donetsk districts of Rostov region, 71 MSR, radiotelephone mechanic. Died on 11.08.2008, near the village. Argvitsi received a shrapnel wound incompatible with life.
      Signalers, logisticians ...
    2. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 4 August 2020 13: 02
      +1
      Constipation of thoughts, diarrhea of ​​words.
    3. K298rtm
      K298rtm 4 August 2020 20: 32
      +1
      We called the rear simply - anti-submarine.
  9. Asad
    Asad 4 August 2020 12: 13
    +4
    When he served as an urgent in Norilsk, he was surprised, one warrant officer at the point of the world did not see white, and the other in the garrison in the grocery warehouse slept off! And I never wore an outfit! And the length of service is the same.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 August 2020 12: 56
      -1
      Quote: ASAD
      When he served as an urgent in Norilsk, he was surprised, one warrant officer at the point of the world did not see white, and the other in the garrison in the grocery warehouse slept off! And I never wore an outfit! And the length of service is the same.

      Young man! The pension of an ensign of the 9th grade and the 6th grade with the same length of service is different and there is no need here la-la ...
  10. Captain45
    Captain45 4 August 2020 12: 20
    +1
    It’s interesting to me - the new version of the Constitution states that pensions should be increased annually. So, in accordance with the Constitution, we will be paid the promised 2% annually, or will they find reasons again - Syria, Donbass, Libya, Venezuela, what else is there on the globe? Whom will we help? Civil pensioners, albeit little by little, are raised annually. And what about the military, are they not people? Don't need millions, give back what you deserve.
  11. Varyag71
    Varyag71 4 August 2020 12: 24
    -6
    And where and how do they risk their lives, follow orders, serve in very difficult conditions as a logistician, a medical specialist or a financier? I will ask you to expand the topic in more detail.
    1. tanit
      tanit 4 August 2020 12: 42
      +3
      Afonkin Sergey Viktorovich, 40 years old, deputy head of the branch of the Military Medical Academy, Moscow
      Killed. Fighting the virus. Medical specialist.
      1. tanit
        tanit 4 August 2020 12: 49
        +9
        "Servicemen of medical units at their own expense opened a memorial in memory of the Russian nurses Nadezhda Durachenko and Galina Mikhailova who died in Syrian Aleppo in 2016." (news of August 4, 2020)
      2. Varyag71
        Varyag71 5 August 2020 07: 37
        +2
        These are units.
        But at my factory there are military representatives. We settled down very well. The bellies are large, wrinkled in shape. A working day, like in a civilian life. And some of them roll out the Toyota Land Cruiser 200. So what are their difficult conditions?
        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 6 August 2020 07: 08
          0
          If the military representative "sits" at the factory, then the hard workers, respectively, have no work. This means that the company is idle without orders. Then what are you doing there?
      3. Varyag71
        Varyag71 5 August 2020 07: 48
        +1
        What virus? Covid? And how many ordinary nurses and doctors died, no luck to study?
        1. tanit
          tanit 5 August 2020 09: 42
          +1
          Quote: Varyag71
          These are units.

          In the war, which was the Great Patriotic War, there were tens of thousands.
          Quote: Varyag71
          And how many ordinary nurses and doctors died, no luck to study?

          The question was about the military, no?
          Quote: Varyag71
          But at my factory there are military representatives.

          And you are not a storekeeper there, by any chance?
          1. Varyag71
            Varyag71 5 August 2020 10: 10
            -2
            Is there a war now?
            Safe man.
            1. tanit
              tanit 6 August 2020 07: 25
              +1
              Quote: Varyag71
              Is there a war now?

              And you have to pay only in war?
        2. Aag
          Aag 5 August 2020 18: 05
          0
          Gentlemen, gentlemen ...
          The subject of your dispute relates to the field of morality, upbringing and other universal values, and is not directly related to either military rank, position held, or affiliation with one or another service!
          Yes, there were times when people could not receive financial allowances for the previous month so that they could fly to the funeral of relatives, but if you share it with the chief of finance, you could get vacation pay before the vacation!
          Someone from the DB (combat duty) did not climb out, someone drove a car (both from the West and from the East) hiding behind a left certificate. Some of their money allowances were divided among those who tensed for them ...
          Therefore, this is somewhat different ...
    2. Russian officer
      Russian officer 4 August 2020 12: 56
      +8
      Today in Syria, a monument was unveiled to 2 nurses who died during the bombing by HSV militants.
    3. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 4 August 2020 13: 03
      +4
      Go serve and you will understand.
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 5 August 2020 07: 38
        0
        He gave 10 years to the army and the FSKN for 2 years.
    4. K298rtm
      K298rtm 4 August 2020 20: 40
      +3
      On the boat there was only one nachmed. Of course, he does not carry a watch (... "in the field life, cats, priests and doctors live at ease, the rest are scheduled on watch"), but in case of a serious illness, only he can save someone from the crew (he personally cured me of severe pneumonia ( then truth no one knew the current virus), when we were under the ice very far, there was nowhere to land, operations were done on other units, etc.).
      1. Aag
        Aag 5 August 2020 18: 19
        0
        Quote: K298rtm
        On the boat there was only one nachmed. Of course, he does not carry a watch (... "in the field life, cats, priests and doctors live at ease, the rest are scheduled on watch"), but in case of a serious illness, only he can save someone from the crew (he personally cured me of severe pneumonia ( then truth no one knew the current virus), when we were under the ice very far, there was nowhere to land, operations were done on other units, etc.).

        I understand you very much, but you must agree that this is a personal and, what is important, positive experience.
        And imagine that the qualifications, experience, skills of your physician, well, not enough ...
        Would your opinion change?
        With all due respect to the doctors! What, and under what conditions, they did not have to deal with!
        (Greetings to Pavel Krainyukov from the 345th rp!)
        All officers, Happy Cadet Day! (Day of enrollment in the USSR Armed Forces). question: since what time? and now how?
    5. Aag
      Aag 5 August 2020 18: 41
      0
      Quote: Varyag71
      And where and how do they risk their lives, follow orders, serve in very difficult conditions as a logistician, a medical specialist or a financier? I will ask you to expand the topic in more detail.

      Anything can happen ... We had medical instructors who, after seeing the blood themselves, had to be brought to their senses ... Yes, the wives of officers, for whom there wasn’t enough other work (but there simply wasn’t!) There were secretaries, typists in positions of motorcyclists-scouts (according to the state of war). By the way, those who come to "work" earlier than others, and leave, at times, deep after midnight. "Protectionism" sometimes took place ... But, for generation next, this is far from office plankton. And, Returning to the topic of the article, their services to the country, to the people, were greatly "pochikala".
      After all, there are more deserved ones, such as Vasilyeva, etc.!))))
  12. tolancop
    tolancop 4 August 2020 12: 44
    12
    Quote: Snail N9
    Military retirees, on average, retire 20 years earlier than most civilian workers and employees. And this is quite fair given the difficult conditions of service in the military.

    That is, given the "solidary" pension system in the Russian Federation enshrined in the updated Constitution, from that time (20 years earlier) they sit on the neck of the rest, working and paying taxes ... Yeah, very "fair" ....

    Well, yes, when people in uniform SERVES without weekends and checkpoints for 12-16 hours a day - no one sees this .... And when they begin to receive a pension (and often not so great), immediately there are citizens who are envious. Well, in due time they would have gone under the shoulder straps and after 20 years they would also have received what they deserve. No, "... I'll go to choita ... and seven days a week ... and there is nowhere to go ... and where my wife has nowhere to work ... and there is nowhere to teach children ... and they will not be allowed to warm their ass in Turkey. ... ".
    The snail, before letting the gases into a puddle, at least studied the issue a little. The Ministry of Defense pays pensions to the military from the budget of the Ministry of Defense, to the police - the Ministry of Internal Affairs from the budget of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Both the military and the police, before "sitting on their necks" for 20 years (and many more) LIVED BY ORDER !!! Often in tmutarakan ... and other places of little use for life, which they did not choose for themselves and their families. And at 45, not everyone retires - they serve to the limit, sometimes a mound with a wreath. On the one hand, because they often do not know how to do anything else, and on the other hand, it is serious stress to change the lifestyle of those who have trumpeted in the ranks for more than 20 years ...
    And answer one question: When did our state show generosity to people? THERE WASN'T THIS. CUTTING and TAKING away everything that is possible - WAS, but simply GIVING - WAS NOT. And if the state is going to ensure that some of the citizens begin payments earlier than the rest, then it means without this there is no way. And by the way, ask how long a military pensioner lives on average. Not the one who flogged around the offices and made hemorrhoids, but those who are in the rain and snow ...
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 4 August 2020 14: 14
      +2
      And by the way, ask how long a military pensioner lives on average. Not the one who flogged around the offices and made hemorrhoids, but those who are in the rain and snow ...
      And you would like to ask how long a pensioner welder, a driver in the North (30 years working on winter roads at -40-50) lives, how long will a teacher and a geologist live?
      1. vostok68
        vostok68 4 August 2020 18: 28
        0
        Have you tried to live in the south under bullets and mines?
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 4 August 2020 19: 53
          +2
          Have you tried to live in the south under bullets and mines?
          He served in Transnistria (Dubossary) in 91-92, from May to September 14, Donbass. More questions?
          1. vostok68
            vostok68 5 August 2020 00: 10
            0
            What then are you asking such questions?
    2. Varyag71
      Varyag71 5 August 2020 07: 44
      +1
      It is not the state that pays pensions, but taxpayers. Not the state pays salaries to public sector employees, but taxpayers. The Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Defense and others do not have their own money - taxpayers spend money.
  13. Free wind
    Free wind 4 August 2020 12: 46
    +6
    The author does not want to reveal the subject. In terms of the number of military personnel per capita, we are in second place after North Korea in terms of the number of police. we are on the first, to the police and passport officers. Well, the rest of the prosecutors, judges, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the FSB, the UFSIN, the bailiff, Vokhr, VKUR, etc. Pensions, for example, to the military, in many countries come from the Ministry of Defense, and do not go into the pocket of pensioners. Well, it's better not to talk about the pensions of judges and prosecutors.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 4 August 2020 13: 02
      +1
      As far as I remember, we also have pensions from the Defense Ministry budget for the military.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 4 August 2020 14: 16
        +4
        As far as I remember, we also have pensions from the Defense Ministry budget for the military.
        Where do they get to the MO budget?
        1. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 4 August 2020 16: 19
          0
          From the budget of the Russian Federation, obviously.
      2. Free wind
        Free wind 4 August 2020 17: 02
        -4
        In the budget of the Ministry of Defense there are articles: there are no pension payments, there are no even somehow veiled payment items. As in other departments. All payments to retirees come from the pension fund. The protection of the president and the javo entourage, and the deputies and officials is a separate service. The National Guard was also added to the security forces. The fight against drugs and the tax police do not know which department they belong to. The same applies to beneficiaries, deputies of many stripes, many officials. Etc.
        1. Xscorpion
          Xscorpion 5 August 2020 20: 50
          0
          Study the issue before approving. Pension for military pensioners is paid by the Ministry of Defense from its budget. And the pension itself depends on the salaries of active servicemen at the moment. When the indexation of salaries to the military, this directly affects military pensions. Pensions are issued by the military registration and enlistment office, the military registration and enlistment office issues a pension certificate. Where does the pension fund come from?
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 11 August 2020 09: 32
          0
          Quote: Free Wind
          In the budget of the Ministry of Defense there are articles: there are no pension payments, there are no even somehow veiled payment items. As in other departments. All payments to retirees come from the pension fund.


          You have not figured out the question. All payments go through the budget of the Ministry of Defense or the relevant department where military service is provided.
    2. tanit
      tanit 4 August 2020 13: 29
      0
      Quote: Free Wind
      By the number of military personnel per capita, we are in second place after North Korea

      Yes, it's kind of a lie, no? request The latest figures are military per capita in 2018. Well, not 2nd place, alas.
      China 2 035 000 510 000 660
      2 India 1 395 100 2 096 000 1 585 950 5 077 050 1,1
      3 США 1 348 400 857 950 0 2 206 350 4,2
      4 North Korea 1 280 000 6 300
      5 Russia 900 000 2 000 000
      6 Пакистан 653 800 0 282 000 935 800 3,2
      7 South Korea 625 000 6 100 000
      8 Иран 523 000 350 000 40 000 913 000 6,4
      9 Vietnam 482 000 5 000 000 40
      10 Египет 438 500 479 000 397 000 1 314 500 4.5
      11 Мьянма 406 000 0 107 250 513 250 7,4
      12 Индонезия 395 500 400 000 280 000 1 075 500 1,5
      13 Таиланд 360 850 245 000 93 700 699 550 5,3
      14 Турция 355 200 378 700 156 800 890 700 4,4
      15 Brazil 334 500 1 340 000
      16 Колумбия 293 200 34 950 187 900 516 050 6,1
      17 Мексика 277 150 81 500 58 900 417 550 2,2
      18 Япония 247 150 56 000 13 740 316 890 2
      19 Шри-Ланка 243 000 35 900 62 200 341 100 10.8
      20 Саудовская Аравия 227 000 0 24 500 251 500 7,9
      21 Taiwan 215 000 1 657 000
      22 Украина 204 000 900 000 88 000 1 192 000 4,6
      23 Франция 202 700 72 300 103 400 378 400 3
      24 Эритрея 201 750 120 000 0 321 750 34,4
      25 Марокко 195 800 150 000 50 000 395 800 5,8
      26 Южный Судан 185 000 0 0 185 000 14,2
      27 Германия 178 600 27 900 500 207 000 2,2
      28 Израиль 176 500 465 000 8 000 649 500 21,3
      29 Италия 174 500 18 300 182 350 375 150 2,8
      30 Афганистан 174 300 0 148 700 323 000 5,1
      31 Бангладеш 157 050 0 63 900 220 950 1
      32 Великобритания 150 250 82 650 0 232 900 2,3
      33 Сирия 142 500 0 150 000 292 500 7,9
      34 Греция 141 350 220 500 4 000 365 850 13,1
      35 Эфиопия 138 000 0 0 138 000 1,3
      36 ДР Конго 134 250 0 0 134 250 1,6
      37 Алжир 130 000 150 000 187 200 467 200 3,2
      38 Филиппины 125 000 181 000 40 500 346 500 1.2
      39 Камбоджа 124 300 0 67 000 191 300 7,7
      40 Венесуэла 123 000 8 000 220 000 351 000 3,9
      41 Испания 121 200 15 450 76 750 213 400 2.5
      42 Нигерия 118 000 0 82 000 200 000 0.6
      43 Малайзия 109 000 296 300 24 600 429 900 3,5
      44 Ангола 107 000 0 10 000 117 000 3,7
      45 Польша 105 000 0 73 400 178 400 2,7
      46 Судан 104 300 85 000 20 000 209 300 2,8
      47 Иордания 100 500 100 000 15 000 215 500 9,8
      48 Непал 96 600 0 62 000 158 600 3,3
      49 Перу 81 000 188 000 77 000 346 000 2,6
      50 Чили 77 200 40 000 44 700 161 900 4,3
      51 Аргентина 74 200 0 31 250 105 450 1,7
      52 Сингапур 72 500 312 500 19 900 404 900 12,3
      53 Румыния 69 300 50 000 79 900 199 200 3,2
      54 Азербайджан 66 950 300 000 15 000 381 950 6,7
      55 ЮАР 66 350 15 050 0 81 400 1.2
      56 Ирак 64 000 0 145 000 209 000 1,6
      57 Канада 63 000 30 000 4 500 97 500 1,8
      58 ОАЭ 63 000 0 0 63 000 10,4
      59 Ливан 60 000 0 20 000 80 000 9,6
      60 Австралия 57 800 21 100 0 78 900 2.5
      61 Доминиканская Республика 56 050 0 15 000 71 050 5,2
      62 Cuba 49 000 1 159 000
      63 Узбекистан 48 000 0 20 000 68 000 1,6
      64 Беларусь 45 350 289 500 110 000 444 850 4,7
      65 Уганда 45 000 10 000 1 400 56 400 1,1
      66 Армения 44 800 210 000 4 300 259 100 14,7
      67 Оман 42 600 0 4 400 47 000 12,4
      68 Эквадор 40 250 118 000 500 158 750 2.5
      69 Казахстан 39 000 0 31 500 70 500 2,1
      70 Туркменистан 36 500 0 5 000 41 500 6,8
      71 Тунис 35 800 0 12 000 47 800 3,1
      72 Нидерланды 35 410 4 660 5 900 45 970 2,1
      73 Боливия 34 100 0 37 100 71 200 3,1
      74 Руанда 33 000 0 2 000 35 000 2,8
      75 Болгария 31 300 3 000 0 34 300 4,4
      76 Португалия 30 500 211 950 44 000 286 450 2,8
      77 Чад 30 350 0 9 500 39 850 2.5
      78 Бурунди 30 050 0 21 000 51 050 2,6
      79 Швеция 29 750 0 21 950 51 700 3
      80 Лаос 29 100 0 100 000 129 100 4,1
      81 Зимбабве 29 000 0 21 800 50 800 2,1
      82 Бельгия 28 800 5 000 0 33 800 2.5
      83 Сербия 28 150 50 150 3 700 82 000 4
      84 Венгрия 27 800 44 000 12 000 83 800 2,8
      85 Танзания 27 000 80 000 1 400 108 400 0,5
      86 Кот-д'Ивуар 25 400 0 0 25 400 1,1
      87 Уругвай 24 650 0 800 25 450 7,3
      88 Сальвадор 24 500 9 900 17 000 51 400 4
      89 Кения 24 100 0 5 000 29 100 0,5
      90 Норвегия 23 950 38 590 0 62 540 4.5
      91 Чехия 23 200 0 0 23 200 2,2
      92 Австрия 22 400 152 200 0 174 600 2,6
      93 Финляндия 21 500 227 500 2 700 251 700 3,9
      94 Швейцария 20 950 218 270 0 239 220 2.5
      95 Грузия 20 650 0 5 400 26 050 4,2
      96 Йемен 20 000 0 0 20 000 0.7
      97 Сомали 19 800 0 0 19 800 1,8
      98 Литва 18 350 6 700 11 300 36 350 6,5
      99 Гватемала 18 050 63 850 25 000 106 900 1.2
      100 Дания 16 100 45 700 0 61 800 2,9
      101 Мавритания 15 850 0 5 000 20 850 4,2
      102 Словакия 15 850 0 0 15 850 2,9
      103 Хорватия 15 650 0 3 000 18 650 3,6
      104 Кувейт 15 500 23 700 7 100 46 300 5,4
      105 Гана 15 500 0 0 15 500 0.6
      106 Замбия 15 100 3 000 1 400 19 500 0.9
      107 Кипр 15 000 50 000 750 65 750 12,3
      108 Гондурас 14 950 60 000 8 000 82 950 1,7
      109 Камерун 14 400 0 9 000 23 400 0.6
      110 Сенегал 13 600 0 5 000 18 600 0.9
      111 Мадагаскар 13 500 0 8 100 21 600 0,5
      112 Никарагуа 12 000 0 0 12 000 2
      113 Катар 11 800 0 5 000 16 800 5,1
      114 Буркина-Фасо 11 200 0 250 11 450 0.6
      115 Мозамбик 11 200 0 0 11 200 0,4
      116 Кыргызстан 10 900 0 9 500 20 400 1,9
      117 Малави 10 700 0 4 200 14 900 0.6
      118 Парагвай 10 650 164 500 14 800 189 950 1,5
      119 Bosnia and Herzegovina 10 500 0 0 10
      120 Джибути 10 450 0 2 650 13 100 12,1
      121 Мали 10 000 0 7 800 17 800 0.6
      122 Конго 10 000 0 2 000 12 000 2
      123 Намибия 9 900 0 6 000 15 900 4
      124 Монголия 9 700 137 000 7 500 154 200 3,2
      125 Гвинея 9 700 0 2 600 12 300 0.8
      126 Ирландия 9 100 2 480 0 11 580 1,8
      127 Новая Зеландия 9 000 2 300 0 11 300 2
      128 Ботсвана 9 000 0 0 9 000 4,1
      129 Таджикистан 8 800 0 7 500 16 300 1
      130 Того 8 550 0 750 9 300 1,1
      131 Сьерра-Леоне 8 500 0 0 8 500 1.4
      132 Бахрейн 8 200 0 11 260 19 460 5,8
      133 Македония 8 000 4 850 7 600 20 450 3,8
      134 Албания 8 000 0 500 8 500 2,6
      135 Словения 7 250 1 760 5 950 14 960 3,7
      136 Бенин 7 250 0 2 500 9 750 0.7
      137 Бруней 7 200 700 4 900 12 800 16,2
      138 ЦАП 7 150 0 1 000 8 150 1,3
      139 Эстония 6 600 12 000 15 800 34 400 5,3
      140 Латвия 5 310 7 850 0 13 160 2,7
      141 Нигер 5 300 0 5 400 10 700 0,3
      142 Молдова 5 150 58 000 2 400 65 550 1,5
      143 Габон 4 700 0 2 000 6 700 2,7
      144 Гвинея-Бисау 4 450 0 0 4 450 2.5
      145 Trinidad and Tobago 4 050 0 0 4
      146 Ямайка 3 950 980 0 4 930 1,3
      147 Папуа-Новая Гвинея 3 600 0 0 3 600 0,5
      148 Фиджи 3 500 6 000 0 9 500 3,8
      149 Гайана 3 400 670 0 4 070 4,6
      150 Косово 2 500 800 0 3 300 1,3
      151 Либерия 2 100 0 0 2 100 0,4
      152 Лесото 2 000 0 0 2 000 1
      153 Черногория 1 950 0 10 100 12 050 3
      154 Мальта 1 950 180 0 2 130 4,7
      155 Суринам 1 840 0 100 1 940 3,1
      156 Белиз 1 500 700 150 2 350 4,2
      157 Экваториальная Гвинея 1 450 0 0 1 450 1,9
      158 Тимор-Лешти 1 330 0 0 1 330 1
      159 Багамские острова 1 300 0 0 1 300 3,9
      160 Кабо-Верде 1 200 0 0 1 200 2,1
      161 Люксембург 900 0 600 1 500 1,5
      162 Гамбия 800 0 0 800 0,4
      163 Барбадос 610 430 0 1 040 2,1
      164 Сейшельские острова 420 0 0 420 4.5
      165 Антигуа и Барбуда 180 80 0 260 1,9
      166 Гаити 150 0 50 200 0
      167 Панама 0 0 22 050 22 050 0
      168 Коста-Рика 0 0 9 800 9 800 0
      169 Маврикий 0 0 2 550 2 550 0
      170 Исландия 0 0 250 250 0
      171 Ливия 0 0 0 0 0
      172 Палестина 0 0 0 0 0
  14. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 4 August 2020 12: 53
    +4
    As you can see, in different countries of the world, the pension provision of military personnel has common features, but there are also some nuances.

    The nuances here are that the salaries of officers in different countries are different.
    To those who are especially zealous and envious in terms of early retirement and a high level of monetary allowance, I can only say one thing - GO TO ... stop ARMY AND EXPERIENCE YOURSELF IN YOUR SKIN.
  15. faterdom
    faterdom 4 August 2020 12: 56
    +5
    Quote: Snail N9
    Military retirees, on average, retire 20 years earlier than most civilian workers and employees. And this is quite fair given the difficult conditions of service in the military.

    That is, taking into account the "solidary" pension system of this time (20 years earlier), enshrined in the updated Constitution, the "solidary" pension sistRF-us of this time (XNUMX years earlier) sit on the neck of the rest, working and paying taxes ... Yeah, very "fair" ...

    Uncle is not in the know, but allows himself cosmic generalizations ... Let it be known to him that pensions to security officials are paid not from the Pension Fund of Russia, but from the budgets of the respective ministries. And besides, their LEGAL !!! the size is cut by the decrees of the President (they started at 54%, stopped at 71%) Still enviable? Yes, in the last 10 years it has become possible to receive a piece of surcharges from the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, if there was a civilian experience of 5 years, but this has already been corrected - now it is necessary for 15 years (this is in addition to service). For this they can add 3-5 thousand. But if suddenly you are a veteran of hostilities, then on top of all that you are supposed to replace benefits by as much as three sixty-two (3062 rubles)! So, whoever wants to "sit on his neck" - so go ahead and with the song! We have a road for young people everywhere ...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 4 August 2020 13: 10
      +1
      Quote: faterdom
      Uncle not in the know

      My uncle did not serve in the army, he has the most vague ideas about what he is so confident about.
      Folk, we have, how impudent.
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 4 August 2020 13: 34
      +1
      Quote: faterdom
      So, whoever wants to "sit on his neck" - so go ahead and with the song! We have a road for young people everywhere ...

      Well, Duc in the wrong hands is always thicker ... lol
    3. Free wind
      Free wind 4 August 2020 17: 28
      -2
      Payments to power pensioners come from the pension fund, I have studied everything, there is no such thing in the budget of the Moscow region .. Payments for old age will be in any case, the social pension today is 9800 rubles. For example, a bandyugan who robbed people and the state all his life, did not work a day, and spent his whole life in prisons. Upon reaching the retirement age, she will still receive a social pension. From the security forces, to the pension fund, deductions from service allowances are not charged, well, like some other deductions, for example, in social insurance. In civilian life, you will receive the minimum sick leave for a couple of years as soon as you start working. So you were not informed correctly. more precisely, they did not tell the whole truth.
  16. mark_rod
    mark_rod 4 August 2020 13: 07
    +3
    The article is mostly blah blah blah. Where is the comparison of military pensions of different countries? Or is it scary to voice the obvious discrepancy between our pensions and the pensions of countries approximately equal to us? Recently, a retired police sergeant in Brazil answered about his retirement on CT. He gets 2000 US dollars a month! I am a lieutenant colonel of the Armed Forces and receive a pension of $ 370. Feel the difference, as they say.
    1. Aag
      Aag 5 August 2020 20: 23
      0
      Quote: mark_rod
      The article is mostly blah blah blah. Where is the comparison of military pensions of different countries? Or is it scary to voice the obvious discrepancy between our pensions and the pensions of countries approximately equal to us? Recently, a retired police sergeant in Brazil answered about his retirement on CT. He gets 2000 US dollars a month! I am a lieutenant colonel of the Armed Forces and receive a pension of $ 370. Feel the difference, as they say.

      A little aside from the topic of the article. The question has already been raised on VO. About career growth, well, and, accordingly, pensions for / employees ...
      Agree, in any army there are more sergeants than colonels. And sergeants are desirable literate, experienced, etc. (applies to all military ranks and positions) ... So, at least for / films, literature, at least for personal communication with representatives of the Armed Forces of other states (the United States, for example, during the period of Gorbachev's "disarmament"), it is not shameful for them, it is not unprofitable to retire as a sergeant, captain. If, according to the position held, the rank is less significant than the length of service, and impeccable service. How do you do that?
  17. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 4 August 2020 15: 51
    +7
    The fairest answer to all disputes is: who studied what! When I went to a military school in 80, a classmate chose an institute with a hostel in the regional center ("what for me a barracks for four years when there are chicks behind the wall and beer in a stall"). He and I studied well at school, and he also knew about the military pension in 25 years from social studies. Five years later, I lived with my family in the headquarters room at the radio technical point, and he and his family in my grandmother's apartment next to my parents. For 16 years I provided radar duty for 8 years in a privileged area, and after 25 hours at the plant's management, he performed a cultural program in his hometown. After XNUMX years I got an apartment and retired, and he divorced his wife and became a homeless person - now for some reason he is very jealous of me and scolds all the military ...
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 4 August 2020 18: 23
      -1
      So the military pension in 20 years, the military school is included in the seniority. A friend after college, rattled off in the army for 2 years and received shoulder straps, that was the law. Or, if there was a department, after 5 years I also received shoulder straps, and it is quite possible that I rammed it for two years anyway, as a lieutenant, of course, am I right? Since since 80, everyone was taken to the service. It seems only civilian lieutenants were not taken as submariners. Although, after the Astrakhan sailor, they were produced by letenants. Admission after grade 8. Graduation in 5 years, lieutenant at 19 !!!!! Yes, they could have got into submariners. Is there anyone with AMU? If your friend has passed this cup, then most likely health problems. How interesting is your friend, his wife was able to squeeze out his apartment? Either your Kent is a goof, the second degree of horniness, or a wench festivals with some nosy, let's say, military lawyer. Therefore, he hated all the military.
  18. Tests
    Tests 4 August 2020 20: 49
    +2
    Free wind (ALEXANDER), dear, in different places of the USSR in 1980 in different educational institutions it was completely different. After - AMU (Arkhangelsk Naval School) named after Captain Voronin did not take anyone to the Navy. After the Severodvinsk Polytechnic College (mechanics and corps workers), and they had a military department, they were taken to training camps and after a month of service and taking the Oath, they received a little reserve of the USSR Navy and went to SEVMASH and Zvezdochka. And the machine operators did not have a military department - for this specialty they took those who had problems with their eyesight - they went to serve urgently like everyone else. In SEVMASHVTUZ (it seems that it was then a branch of LCI - there are many graduates on the site - if anything, they will correct it) there was a military department, the guys, like in SPT, went to training camps, took the oath, received a reserve lieutenant of the USSR Navy and, also, to SEVMASH and "Star", who is in the brigade, who is in the department. After SPTU No. 1 and No. 28, that workers for SEVMASH and Zvyozdochka were trained, a graduate had to work for a year (many graduated from the DOSAAF driving school this year) ... Graduates of the Arkhangelsk Medical Institute were given reserve medical service lieutenants - and distributed throughout the North They were sent to the West of the USSR, but not to military service. After the Severodvinsky medical school, I don’t remember the guys in those years, but the girls were given military cards, they were reserve sergeants and they didn’t take anyone into the army ... And after the Arkhangelsk Pedagogical Institute, the guys immediately joined the army, but for 1 year ...
  19. faterdom
    faterdom 4 August 2020 23: 12
    +2
    Quote: Free Wind
    Payments to power pensioners come from the pension fund, I have studied everything, by the way

    Once again: it is not necessary to assert what I have no idea about. All military registration and enlistment offices, the Central Internal Affairs Directorate and the FSB have their own pension departments, which are responsible for military pensions. From the FIU, they only need a certificate that the name of the rector does not receive a state pension. To which, however, he has the right if he abandons the military. And until recently it made sense: until 2012, many military pensioners were paid extra for the so-called "presidential thousand", since it did not reach the minimum civil pension in the country !!! And something no Snailmen was worried about this!
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 11 August 2020 09: 40
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      Quote: faterdom
      All military registration and enlistment offices, the Central Internal Affairs Directorate and the FSB have their own pension departments, which deal with military pensions. From the FIU, they only need a certificate that the name of the rector does not receive a state pension.


      Exactly
  20. Mityasha
    Mityasha 5 August 2020 07: 21
    0
    Quote: Free Wind
    Drug Enforcement and Tax Police

    there is no tax police, no drug control. They have sunk into oblivion 15-5 years ago.
  21. tolancop
    tolancop 5 August 2020 10: 36
    +3
    Quote: Mityasha
    Quote: Free Wind
    Drug Enforcement and Tax Police

    there is no tax police, no drug control. They have sunk into oblivion 15-5 years ago.

    The fact that there has been no tax police since 2003, and that he has long forgotten the Drug Control since 2016. Or maybe he never knew .... And the former tax and drug police officers receive their pensions from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, where the pension funds of these departments were transferred during their liquidation.
  22. tolancop
    tolancop 5 August 2020 10: 47
    +3
    Quote: 72jora72
    And by the way, ask how long a military pensioner lives on average. Not the one who flogged around the offices and made hemorrhoids, but those who are in the rain and snow ...
    And you would like to ask how long a pensioner welder, a driver in the North (30 years working on winter roads at -40-50) lives, how long will a teacher and a geologist live?

    I don't know how long a pensioner-welder will live in the North. And how long the teacher and the geologist will live there. I also don’t know But, the welder definitely has a preferential experience because of the harm. I don't know about the teacher and the geologist, I won't lie. But I know EXACTLY that both a geologist and a teacher (a separate conversation about a welder) are not made by a court verdict. Volunteers are unambiguous. The military and police are also volunteers - they know what they are doing. And if it seems to someone that the life of the military and police is all raspberries - let them try and not whine. And, by the way, over the past 20 years, in terms of benefits, the military has been greatly reduced, and the police have been stripped altogether. Incl. and these categories "optimization" touched quite tangibly. People went to work on the same terms, but the state changed the conditions of the game along the way. Incl. advocates of "justice" can rejoice, the state "shoes" not only civilians, but also servicemen.
    1. Aag
      Aag 5 August 2020 20: 38
      +1
      I spent a long time sprinkling comments on a similar topic, - flew away due to the discharge of the smartphone's battery ... All officers - Happy Cadet Day! (For information: August 5 is the day of enrollment of VVUZ applicants in the list of the Armed Forces (SA of the USSR), - now, I don't know how Regarding the topic of the article, - the day of the beginning of calculating the length of service, length of service. drinks
      1. Aag
        Aag 5 August 2020 20: 42
        +1
        ⭐️⭐️⭐️ * Cadet Day is traditionally celebrated on August 5. *
        Earlier on this day, an order from the Ministry of Defense was signed on enrolling in cadets or transferring to the next course. The happiness of the cadets knew no bounds!
        Studentship is an unforgettable time for every student.
        And if this is a military school, then a unique atmosphere reigns there. The military brotherhood cannot be changed, it cannot be forgotten, nothing can replace it.
        Early wakes, lights out, when you fall off your feet, watches, guards, standing on a bedside table, meals on a schedule, you have to get involved in this, and at first you seem hungry all the time.
        What else?
        Exercise, from which you cannot slope, cleaning the territory, field training, from which you return dirty and tired.
        Do you think this is a difficulty?
        Not. You get used to it. Some of this even gives positive results.
        Living on a schedule makes you appreciate every minute.
        But to combine study and service is more difficult. Here you are on guard, and today you have practical work on some subject, which must be passed. 10 or more outfits come out per month. That is, you are sorely lacking 24 hours a day.
        The area attached to your platoon must be clean around the clock, regardless of whether it is snowing or autumn leaves. Well, it doesn't matter, but in the fresh air ... But behind the concrete walls ... And there, behind them, life is in full swing! Well, how can you not go AWOL ?!
        But the outfits in the dining room were remembered for thousands of dirty dishes, forks, spoons, glasses, and peeling potatoes until 4 in the morning.
        Thus, the first and second year you are drilled with the thought of leaving school, in the third year it becomes easier, apparently you get used to it.
        And you remember all this with such warmth ... After all, there was friendship, there were young people. In spite of everything, it was fun and great!
        Yesterday's schoolchildren become military personnel on this day. Naturally, this is a great joy for them, because non-random people enter military schools. To pass the strictest selection, some prepare for service from childhood.
        This is a holiday for all officers of the country!
  23. tolancop
    tolancop 5 August 2020 11: 48
    +3
    Quote: Free Wind
    In the budget of the Ministry of Defense there are articles: there are no pension payments, there are no even somehow veiled payment items. As in other departments. All payments to retirees come from the pension fund. The protection of the president and the javo entourage, and the deputies and officials is a separate service. The National Guard was also added to the security forces. The fight against drugs and the tax police do not know which department they belong to. The same applies to beneficiaries, deputies of many stripes, many officials. Etc.

    Again, "citizen sovramshi" ...
    1. Where do the pension payments to employees come from (funding, payer) is indicated in Articles 10 and 11 of the Federal Law No. 4468-1 "On Pension Provisions for Persons Who Did Military Service ..." In short:
    "Article 10. The payment of pensions to persons specified in Article 1 of this Law and their families is provided at the expense of the federal budget. At the same time, financing of the costs of paying pensions is carried out in a centralized manner."... Not a word about the FIU .... I don’t know the mechanism, perhaps there is a targeted transfer from the federal budget to the relevant departments. Then in the budgets of departments there really will be no articles for pensions. But the FIU is out of business for sure.
    "Art. 11" Pension provision of persons specified in Article 1 of this Law and their families, depending on the last place of service of these persons, is carried out:
    a) by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ...
    b) .. by the Ministry of Internal Affairs .... "
    ... Further down the list. FIU is NOT on the list!
    2. "... The National Guard has also been added to the security forces .." ... The National Guard was added, the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs decreased.

    Regarding the addition / decrease. The total number of military personnel and police officers (recipients of military pensions) in Russia has decreased quite dramatically over the past 20 years. I don’t know about the army, but the police were in full swing both the reduction of the staff of the people in uniform (there were 20 operas in the department, 12 remained), and the transfer of positions to the civil service (he was an ensign in the state, became ... no one without salaries and length of service).
    Have reduced to the point that citizen Medvedev was surprised "there are only 2 patrol policemen for the entire Kiev station?" Then, he himself is the author of this ... I can't find a word, he, of course, forgot ... Then he sat out a little surprise and ... continued to reduce everything and everyone, incl. the police.
    1. Aag
      Aag 5 August 2020 20: 53
      0
      We again begin to argue who feeds whom, who protects whom?
      Apparently, because we cannot ask those who have warmed us all up on this, according to the topic of the article, topic?
  24. Lew
    Lew 5 August 2020 16: 59
    0
    one nuance .. in no country do they cut pensions !!
  25. bbss
    bbss 5 August 2020 22: 04
    0
    Quote: Varyag71
    logistician, medical specialist or financier

    Have you seen a lot of them? Well, let's say you've seen the financial battalion? :-))))
  26. Tests
    Tests 5 August 2020 22: 16
    +4
    tolancop (tolancop), dear, I will get into your polemic with the dear 72jora72 (Sergey). In my native Arkhangelsk region last year, a lot of men, according to the statistics who know everything, died at the age of 58, not living up to the "normal" retirement PRE-REFORM age.
    And if you go further, as I always say, it is necessary specifically for five-year plans and specific cities and regions. After all, our country is very different. Sergey cited welders as an example in the Far North. Article 30 of the Federal Law No. 400 "On Insurance Pensions" left "preferential retirement for men at 1 and 2 years old" on lists 50 and 55. Again, there is a difference, the welder cooks in the fresh air at the pier in the NAO, in Varandey, for example, and there is bad weather - it rains, then the snow is wet. A welder in a beam drinks tea - and costs 7 hours in the report card. And the welder of SEVMASH or "Zvezdochka" in Severodvinsk is 7 hours inside the order in the shops, or inside the boat near the reactor (the boat came from the first stage of factory tests and is on the water), there you can not save a day on the weather. Or in an airless chamber, in a suit, like an astronaut, a welder cooks titanium ... And then - whether or not the welder used protective equipment, how often he drunk, how he ate, how and where he rested, since even when welding on the street, the minimum additional leave for harmfulness - 6 days, in Severodvinsk beyond the Far North - another 24 days, for work in closed rooms and for a reactor you can get 18 more days. Well, the important thing is what genetics, how did you undergo medical examination, what did the doctor eat and drink? said or boasted: "I will never eat pills!" Everything is like everyone else ...
    My cousin's husband in the forests of the Arkhangelsk region grew up on milk, fish, elk and fresh air. And I spent 2 years on the Valdai underground in the Strategic Missile Forces. Then he moved to Severodvinsk - he is a high-altitude installer, a welder, and a gas cutter. Workshop 55 of SEVMASH, the Severnoye Siyaniye household, hospital No. 58 of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency of Russia, a drama theater, a crane for loading rockets onto the Akuly - this is his work in Severodvinsk. All cosmodromes, Novaya Zemlya, the entire Kola region - his business trips. In the 80s, he and his partner hung upside down in Mirny, the cabal mast did not move away at the start, the launch was canceled, he released the rocket for filming from the ground, with a walkie-talkie on his back, for 2 hours. In the 90s, when the defense industry was almost killed , he and his team made a roof over the Luzhniki Stadium and restored the Ostankino Tower after the fire, and also mounted breweries and built shopping centers in Moscow. Its last object is the Arkhangelsk new TV tower. There is a medal "For Space Exploration" - there is a veteran of labor. They live with their little sister in a round dacha near Severodvinsk, his lungs and bronchi are in order, but he began to go deaf in one ear. And my sister is his wife, for more than 10 years she ran through the forests as a forest manager. And they, forest managers, like geologists, received a preferential pension according to the old law, and according to the current cannibalism ... My wife, a teacher, received a pension, like most women in Severodvinsk, at 50 years old. Far North. In the 90s, there were no children, she did not have a full load of 18 hours a week. Therefore, she did not receive a preferential pedagogical pension for 25 years of teaching experience, unlike my colleagues, that they worked in the Vologda Oblast, but they had a full load and girls at the age of 47-48 received the pedagogical pension. And the fact that in the first years after college my wife's workload was 32 hours a week - nobody cares. In the current FZ-400, benefits for teachers, doctors, sailors, pilots, and many other categories, with a danger to the health and life of workers, remained ...
    In the Arkhangelsk region, our lovely "beggars" judges decided, since there is a preferential length of service for 1 year for 1,5 for the Far North, then those who worked in the Organized Crime Control Department are not entitled to a benefit for 1 year for 1 year and 3 months, and night hours during daily shifts refused to accept the increased size. The clever guys in the Arkhangelsk Regional Court said - there will not be enough money in the budget for everyone, the city judges believed that night pay should be paid, the regional ones - no ... But welders and preferential work experience for harm, and preferential work experience for the Far North were considered, from 19 to 22 there were evening hours, with increased pay, from 22 to 06 in the morning - as in the Labor Code and the Labor Code it is written - night hours with increased pay ... Our judges are not dependent, including on the law, but not on the Chairman of the Regional Court .. ...
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 7 August 2020 11: 54
      +1
      Testov (Eugene), but I have no particular polemic with anyone. A working and serviceman was pressed down to the utmost from all sides. But I don’t understand why servicemen are treated like parasites. I agree that not all servicemen DESERVE, they were different, incl. and those that instead of a pension should be sent to the zone, but there are not so many of them in the total mass. But, reading some opuses, I am outraged that their authors, roughly speaking, instead of an idea "... and give me, I, too," profess "a person ... and take away from them so that they would not be better than me." I don’t understand this !!! Rather, I understand, but .... some kind of madhouse.
  27. gv2000
    gv2000 6 August 2020 14: 38
    0
    Quote: Hagen
    I understand, are you kidding?

    Yes. But rather sarcasm.
  28. tank64rus
    tank64rus 10 August 2020 07: 11
    +1
    In my opinion, not in one country the military is not paid a cut pension from the earned, as in Russia. The pension system in the Russian Federation defies description with normal words.
  29. Victor Morozov_2
    Victor Morozov_2 13 August 2020 19: 05
    0
    Here is the author, like others, write about the size of the pension: Based on the position, rank, etc. But it is never written based on the position ON THE DAY OF DISCHARGE FROM THE ARMY. But it is not always at the time of dismissal that an officer has the highest position in his career. Officers sometimes ask for a transfer to a lower position - for health reasons, for example, or in connection with a difficult family situation. In this sense, the legislation is not fair to the military. After all, civilians for calculating pensions submit certificates of earnings for any 5 years of work. Why is it wrong with the military ?!
  30. corsair
    corsair 15 August 2020 17: 45
    0
    Author, you have submitted a complete vinaigrette for discussion. Read the Federal Law "On Pensions for Servicemen ...", and then sculpt your opuses.
  31. Victor Morozov_2
    Victor Morozov_2 7 October 2020 15: 01
    0
    Author, why vague wording ?! "The size of the military pension is determined by .... position, ..." What position? At the time of dismissal, or what? If so, then you need to indicate this, if you undertook to explain. Fu!