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KAZ "Afghanit" tank T-14 "Armata" is highly effective against the American ATGM TOW and Javelin

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One of the important differences of the new generation armored vehicles is a modern active protection complex, which actually combines a system of reconnaissance of targets and sources of threat with a destruction system. As previously reported, on Russian tanks T-14 "Armata" is being installed by KAZ "Afganit".


It is based on a radio-optical radar with AFAR, similar to those used on the radars of the fifth generation Su-57 fighters - with the implemented low-temperature co-fired ceramic (LTCC) technology. This technology makes it possible to achieve high mechanical strength at a relatively low cost of use. In addition, the technology makes it possible to create radars with AFAR, which are resistant to sudden and significant temperature changes - the linear dimensions do not change, which, accordingly, prevents signal distortion.

According to some reports, the Afghanit complex is not just a classic KAZ. Its radar is also capable of acting as an element of onboard fire control equipment. Such multitasking and versatility has already been appreciated by foreign experts, who note that the Russian "Afghanit" has advantages over similar systems implemented on armored vehicles, for example, of German and American production.



An important problem solved in the case of the use of "Afghanit" is the task of protecting the tank (BMP) from secondary fragments. We are talking about fragments that are formed when the KAZ ammunition interacts with a projectile (rocket, grenade) attacking an armored vehicle. For quite a long time, the active protection systems used could not protect the tank by 100 percent, since the resulting secondary fragments when the KAZ was triggered and the target hit in the form of an enemy projectile could damage, for example, optical means, tank antennas. The task was solved with the help of a new, more efficient, approach to overlapping KAZ projections of a new generation tank.

One of the tasks being solved today is the stable operation of the radars of the "Afganit" active protection complex when they get hit by water, dirt or dust. After all, it is one thing when it comes to the appearance of a small layer of moisture on equipment, and another thing when a layer of viscous soil has flown off.
By and large, the solutions already found would be sufficient, allowing the radar to work effectively in the S- and L-bands with a radio-transparent layer up to 25 mm and in the C-band from 15 mm. It is in the C-band that the influence of water, dust and dirt can play a negative role, therefore the choice of the operating frequency range of the radar is carried out, when using which even a noticeable layer of mud adhered during the performance of a combat mission does not paralyze the work of the Afghanit.

We can say that the KAZ "Afghanit" is highly effective against the American TOW and Javelin ATGMs. At the same time, earlier in the American press there was material that "Afghanit" was allegedly unable to protect the T-14 "Armata" tank from ATGMs attacking from above, as well as protection from attacks from ATGMs at a short distance. These statements, taking into account the improvement of the characteristics of KAZ radars and built-in dynamic protection systems, look like nothing more than an attempt to pass off what is desired in the United States for reality.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 2 August 2020 14: 23 New
    +7
    The only question is who and when checked the impact on the "armature" ATGM TOU and "Javelin".
    And if all this is purely theory, then why are only two ATGMs listed?
    1. The Word of the Word
      The Word of the Word 2 August 2020 14: 35 New
      18
      It was definitely not a problem to check at TOU. More than enough of them have been captured in Syria. Afganit's actions against the Javelins could be verified using imitation tools with identical performance characteristics (at the final site)
      1. DominickS
        DominickS 2 August 2020 14: 42 New
        12
        From our chubaty friends, retroactively, buy a couple of Javelins and check.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 2 August 2020 14: 55 New
          +7
          You can already buy from China
          1. Uncle Izya
            Uncle Izya 3 August 2020 18: 38 New
            -1
            Yes, they do not need hypersonic ATGMs and they do not need explosives due to the speed, the same bops
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 3 August 2020 20: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Uncle Izya
              Yes, they do not need hypersonic ATGMs and they do not need explosives due to the speed, the same bops

              already wrote that BOPS shot down "Afghanite".
              1. Uncle Izya
                Uncle Izya 3 August 2020 21: 04 New
                0
                I didn’t mean it
        2. Zoomlion
          Zoomlion 2 August 2020 22: 49 New
          +1
          Knowing them, most likely that they have already bought from them)
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 2 August 2020 14: 36 New
      10
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The only question is who and when checked the impact on the "armature" ATGM TOU and "Javelin".

      KAZ is being tested by firing with imitators and real ammunition, standing on a model of a combat vehicle. You don't need to drive a real tank for this. Expensive thing too. And the fact that it (Russian KAZ) also covers the upper hemisphere is simply fantastic. As the development progresses, the system will appear on other armored vehicles.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 2 August 2020 18: 56 New
        -4
        And the fact that it (Russian KAZ) also covers the upper hemisphere is simply fantastic.


        In my opinion, it is - fantastic. Something is not visible, where Armata has destructive elements that could hit the ATGM attacking from above.

        Probably this means that both the TOW and Javelin attack in a straight line into the frontal projection of the tank.
      2. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 3 August 2020 00: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        KAZ is being tested by firing with imitators and real ammunition, standing on a model of a combat vehicle. You don't need to drive a real tank for this. Expensive thing too. And the fact that it (Russian KAZ) also covers the upper hemisphere is simply fantastic. As the development progresses, the system will appear on other armored vehicles.

        The upper hemisphere there is protected only by aerosol grenades. A couple of years ago I uploaded video information from open sources, including from the manufacturer, but the moderator deleted everything without explanation. I won't bother myself anymore. This proves once again what kind of resource it is. The flag is in your hands.
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 August 2020 20: 02 New
        0
        155mm Tow and Cornet will pierce any tank .... the consequences are important and what will happen to the crew
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 3 August 2020 20: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Zaurbek
          155mm Tow and Cornet will pierce any tank ..

          video on which "155mm Tou" did not pierce the T-90 yourself find?
          I have not seen such fiasco on a cornet, but with at least 1 case.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 3 August 2020 21: 06 New
            -1
            Fresh rockets gouged
    3. Observer2014
      Observer2014 2 August 2020 15: 01 New
      -23
      The leader of the Redskins hi
      The only question is who and when checked the impact on the "armature" ATGM TOU and "Javelin".

      Because if you plant a "Cornet" for example. Or shoot from different angles with an RPG-7 en masse, the fashionable braid will instantly fly off. The guys in the armored capsule will not have time to make a sound. lol Well, he attacks the "Javelin" from above. An infection flies at the target's thermal imprint. So dviglo and dies. In splendid isolation.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 2 August 2020 15: 07 New
        10
        Against Javelin and COEP, the right one can help.
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 2 August 2020 15: 14 New
          -8
          Quote: garri-lin
          Against Javelin and COEP, the right one can help.

          Perhaps, if this COEP is made to move behind the threat, and not to shine in one direction. I need additional knowledge, I don't own it, don't take the commentary for the truth: hi
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 2 August 2020 15: 45 New
            +2
            Therefore, I wrote "correct"
    4. CorvusMag
      CorvusMag 2 August 2020 15: 46 New
      +5
      After the supply of Javelins, the non-brothers don't think they need to fly to Syria, everything is nearby, everything is close at hand. It's just a matter of payment.
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 3 August 2020 20: 27 New
        0
        Quote: CorvusMag
        It's just a matter of payment.

        The United States also thought about it and sent it to Poland for storage bully
    5. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 August 2020 15: 47 New
      +1
      now everything can be done through simulations. Of course, this is not a guarantee, but the picture is quite common to have. the same means of protection are always sharpened with the means of potential opponents.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 2 August 2020 17: 31 New
        +1
        To carry out the simulation, you need to have accurate data on the parameters of the enemy's weapons.
  2. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 August 2020 14: 24 New
    +6
    If this is so ... then we need to build a large plant and rivet and equip, in addition to Armata, and T90M ... and first, show a beautiful video.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 2 August 2020 14: 30 New
      +9
      Quote: Zaurbek
      If this is so ... then you need to build a large plant and rivet and equip, in addition to Armata, and T90M ... and first, show a beautiful video

      No rollers needed. In general, there are fewer details. A half-naked blade seems more dangerous than a naked one ... laughing
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 2 August 2020 14: 42 New
        +5
        This is not so .... modern systems should also have commercial success. How many kits will the Russian Army buy? Round...
        1. Saxahorse
          Saxahorse 2 August 2020 19: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Zaurbek
          How many kits will the Russian Army buy? Round...

          Good for every tank and infantry fighting vehicle in the ranks and in reserve. Today ATGMs have become the main threat to armored vehicles, there is no armor that they do not penetrate. Only KAZ ..
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 3 August 2020 00: 14 New
            +1
            Saxahorse, RPG-30 Hook, 1000 RPG-30 already in the Russian army since 2013. It is alleged that the "Hook" is pierced by KAZ. True, you have to approach 200m ... (article on VO - RPG-30 "Hook" dated April 30, 2013). 83000 rubles - for the "Hook".
      2. mdsr
        mdsr 2 August 2020 15: 09 New
        -10
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        In general, there are fewer details. A half-naked blade seems more dangerous than a naked one ...

        Yeah, especially if your blade is broken in half. yes In films, it rolls smile
    2. mdsr
      mdsr 2 August 2020 15: 27 New
      -5
      Quote: Zaurbek
      If so..

      Is it SO? Where in the article did you see that it is actually SO? This?
      You can talk aboutthat the KAZ "Afghanit" is highly effective against the American ATGM TOW and Javelin.
      You may or may not speak. There is no evidence in the article request ... Our magazines .. lugs say that it is effective, the American ones say that it is not. But what do we actually have? On the T-90M, the Ministry of Defense decided not to install KAZ Afganit, but limited itself to the modernized Arena, which does not protect the upper hemisphere from words at all. There can be many reasons for this, ranging from not confirming the specified performance characteristics by Afganit, to the need to replace imported Afghanit components with domestic ones, as well as the already announced reason for the very high cost of this KAZ.
      Quote: Zaurbek
      and for starters, show a beautiful video.

      This is just possible, there are no problems with this. You will have a beautiful video yes
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 2 August 2020 17: 33 New
        0
        mdsr-KAZ Afgonit is completely made of Russian nodes and elements, there is nothing "not our", nothing at all, that is, nothing at all! !!
        1. mdsr
          mdsr 2 August 2020 20: 55 New
          -2
          Quote: Thrifty
          mdsr-KAZ Afgonit is completely made of Russian nodes and elements, there is nothing "not our", nothing at all, that is, nothing at all! !!

          Thrifty, honest pioneer word you give? lol
          1. Miron
            Miron 10 August 2020 03: 55 New
            0
            What about yes
            (to calm the Cerberus, I make the comment longer)
      2. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 3 August 2020 00: 02 New
        0
        The arena just protects from an attack from above, they asked the developers themselves about this and explained that the first version did not protect, but then they modernized and the current version, which is proposed, affects the attackers from above
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 3 August 2020 00: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Boris Chernikov
          The arena just protects from an attack from above, they asked the developers themselves about this and explained that the first version did not protect, but then they modernized and the current version, which is proposed, affects the attackers from above

          There is a problem - it protects something, but at the same time it can beat all the devices ...
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 3 August 2020 00: 08 New
            0
            or maybe not beat) no need to give out your thoughts as facts - the field of fragments goes above the tank
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 3 August 2020 00: 10 New
              0
              Quote: Boris Chernikov
              or maybe not beat) no need to give out your thoughts as facts - the field of fragments goes above the tank

              These are not my thoughts, but the shortcomings that were quite voiced by the military themselves, which is why the latest modifications of arenas were not considered for equipping new equipment and all new lines of machines (armata, kurganets, boomerang) are equipped with either Afghanite, or advanced versions of thrush, or both and so.
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 3 August 2020 00: 28 New
                -1
                and where do we have tanks with a thrush? and who from the military voiced and when?) The arena was developed earlier, but the contract for KAZ for the T-14 was decided to update, therefore, a different principle, but for old T-72/80/90 tanks, just Arena-M is being considered, last year even a photo surfaced from the test site
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 3 August 2020 00: 59 New
                  0
                  Quote: Boris Chernikov
                  and where are the tanks with the thrush?

                  Have you read my comment carefully? Thrush is used on Kurgan, if you are interested ...
                  Quote: Boris Chernikov
                  The arena was developed earlier, but the contract for KAZ for the T-14 was decided to update, therefore, another principle

                  The T-14 was originally designed for a different, much more powerful type of KAZ, and the arena was designed specifically for installation on existing vehicles, and not on specially designed ones.
                  Quote: Boris Chernikov
                  but for old T-72/80/90 tanks, Arena-M is being considered, last year even a photo surfaced from the test site

                  This topic has just died out, if the train is moving there. then that's good. And if the issue with the damage to the tank from the operation of the arena in the upper hemisphere was decided - it's generally excellent))) Then, in general, nothing prevents the elements of the arena from using the elements of the arena on the same T-14 to defeat ATGMs attacking "from a hill"))
                  1. Boris Chernikov
                    Boris Chernikov 3 August 2020 01: 03 New
                    -1
                    yes ...) on Kurganets there is Drozd, but they talk about Afghanite everywhere)) for a secret). And yes .. stop reading nonsense about "damage from the Arena for tank equipment" - there is a specially designed zone of destruction so that the fragments would pass by. Nobody will put the arena on the T-14 ... sooner mini-missiles for the Afghanite will be placed in the cells for the smoke pipes
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 3 August 2020 11: 54 New
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                      Quote: Boris Chernikov
                      yes ...) there is Drozd on Kurganets, but they talk about Afghanite everywhere)) for a secret)

                      Well, there is a thrush and an Afghanite))) An Afghanite, I suppose, is just more active in PR)
                      Quote: Boris Chernikov
                      And yes .. enough to read nonsense about "damage from the Arena for tank equipment" - there is a specially designed impact zone so that the fragments would pass by.

                      Eh, my friend, it's not that simple! In addition to the fragments from the perceptor shell itself, there are also fragments from the destroyed rocket, grenade, etc., so we must also take into account their trajectory! Our Zhevto-Blakitnye non-brothers, trying to reproduce the old Soviet KAZ (called the "barrier"), which should theoretically work in the upper hemisphere, got nafig beaten devices ...
                      If ours solved this problem, then everything is cool. Information is not enough, of course, about the new arena, but in many respects it is for the better)
                      Quote: Boris Chernikov
                      Nobody will put the arena on the T-14 ..

                      Why then? The T-14 has a fully digital board that can work with any domestic electronic systems, so that the elements of the arena can be integrated if desired, and limited only to the interception system, since it already has its own detection system.
                      Quote: Boris Chernikov
                      rather, mini-rockets for the Afghanite will be placed in the cells for smoke pipes

                      The question is how rational and technically feasible it will be in the foreseeable future.
                      1. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 3 August 2020 20: 37 New
                        -1
                        I repeat, do not pass off your thoughts as the truth)
                      2. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 3 August 2020 23: 42 New
                        0
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        I repeat, do not pass off your thoughts as the truth)

                        Dear, however, we do not know, because it is top secret information and a deadline is set for its disclosure ...
                        So you and I can only get information from very scanty open sources, where warriors often pour out distorted data with a specialist ...
                      3. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 3 August 2020 23: 47 New
                        -1
                        there is such a thing .. logic - and when a modern tank is being developed, only a very short-sighted "expert from the couch" will believe that measures to protect the tank from modern means of attack have not been developed. So please, your "oh, I was not told personally as a tank knocks down missiles from above, it means he cannot, it means that the boobies have not thought about it, but I thought ".. keep with you .. really .. do not consider yourself smarter than a whole KB, or rather several KB
                      4. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 4 August 2020 14: 39 New
                        0
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        there is such a thing .. logic

                        Logic is one thing, but the actual state of affairs is completely different, according to the logic of the Su-24, it should also fly accompanied by a fighter, only it did not fly, and that made the Turks bolder ...
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        only a very short-sighted "couch expert" would consider that measures to protect the tank from modern means of attack have not been developed.

                        They will be developed without fail, the only question is which ones and to what extent? You can, for example, go along the path of covering an entire EW tank unit, without the availability of protective equipment for each individual tank, you can follow the path of implementing KAZ on each vehicle.
                        There is only one question - what is realized in the metal. I remember Arena-E well, and the statements that it works in the upper hemisphere too, though I was greatly alarmed by the moment that it was the export version that was offered. Although there may be a variation with the same T-90M - first they showed the export MS, and then the "internal" M.
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        So please, your "oh, they didn't tell me personally how the tank knocks down missiles from above, so it can't, so the boobies haven't thought about it, but I just thought" .. keep it with you .. really .. don't consider yourself smarter than a whole KB, but more precisely a few KB

                        Dear, I do not consider myself smarter than KB! Moreover, I have some idea what the design bureau may face in its work. So it may happen that some of the asects cannot be implemented.
                        But if everything is implemented, then it is excellent, because the arena is still the only KAZ that painlessly mounts on our tanks, except for promising ones.
                      5. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 4 August 2020 23: 57 New
                        -1
                        and in the end, "I don't believe that KB did it" ... hmm ... a walking joke)
  3. Miron
    Miron 10 August 2020 04: 08 New
    0
    Well, here it is, or instruments, or the crew.
    Your argument vividly reminded me of the debates related to the Israeli "Trophy" system of 2006-2008. While Yehudi Barak stood against death, Gaby Ashkenazi, the chief of staff, dug the earth with his nose in order to introduce it.
    The argument of the head of the Israeli Defense Ministry sounded something like this: "Imagine, we land a landing on the merkava, the merkava rushes into battle against Hamaz, Hamaz fires an ATGM, and your ***** Trophy is blowing our honest paratroopers to smithereens."
    The argument was devastating, the Israeli Knesset was quietly shaking with horror over the dead paratroopers, the system was vetoed. This went on for a couple of years, until one nosy blogger offered a counterargument "and why is this bad. Let's go back to the place where Hamaz shoots at the Merkava and remove" Trophy "from it, what happens to the landing party on the tank - that's right - he was killed, but this after all, not all, we are carefully looking at the ATGM, what happens next - oh, horror, what a nightmare, all the tankers are killed, too. " Then the smiling representatives of the Jewish people approved the "Trophy" system for military trials.
    12 years have passed, and after about 10 billion dollars has gone into the sand, the Pentagon purchased 2500 Trophy kits for installation on the Abrams tanks that were sent to the Eastern Front.
    Echoes of this long-standing debate (12 years have passed) are heard in your objections "what a horror, because of your Afghani all the sensors will be damaged !!!"
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 2 August 2020 15: 51 New
    -1
    no one will hang them on combat vehicles. ideal is a system that can be mounted directly in parts. and the complexes themselves are stored separately from the machines. at least at this stage in the development of these systems.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 2 August 2020 16: 30 New
      0
      There is no need for anything ... there should be vehicles of constant readiness in deployed units ...
      1. Miron
        Miron 10 August 2020 04: 19 New
        0
        You must Fedya, you must.
        And not only heavily armored.
        Such a system, in combination with several somewhat different plans, should stand on ships and reinforced goats, and, where required, in wearable modules, to cover the first persons from being hit by high-precision weapons.
        These systems should become the first echelon of armor, everything that moves, and has onboard power generation systems up to 100 megawatts.
        Everything else must be covered with systems based on new physical principles.
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 3 August 2020 00: 03 New
      0
      no, there is a bunch of equipment, wires and sensors, everything will be installed during modernization
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  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 2 August 2020 14: 47 New
    11
    Maybe on VO, maybe on another resource I read an article by a specialist in the USSR who shot almost everything that is possible from ATGMs of a potential enemy. As it was all taken out for testing.
    1. paco.soto
      paco.soto 2 August 2020 15: 28 New
      +3
      Somehow it was all taken out for testing.®
      Let me share the links: about the seizure during conflicts and the second about illegal purchases by the Bolsheviks, but now it is much easier to purchase weapons.
      https://m.tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201412200924-z0al.htm/amp/

      https://m.lenta.ru/articles/2016/04/16/rifle_revolution/amp/
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 3 August 2020 00: 03 New
      0
      they took something in battle, bought something in black..type "they shot at the exercises", but in real life they went to our
  • svp67
    svp67 2 August 2020 15: 04 New
    +5
    KAZ "Afghanit" tank T-14 "Armata" is highly effective against the American ATGM TOW and Javelin


    Here are just those "Javelins" in the armies of NATO and their allies are full, and "Armat" with "Afghanit" is somehow vanishingly small
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 2 August 2020 15: 17 New
      +7
      Much more dangerous is that China has started selling its Javelin-Red Arrow ... and it doesn't care who the buyer is.
      1. kot423
        kot423 2 August 2020 15: 43 New
        0
        Why is it more dangerous than selling javelin 404 mattresses? Or is it possible for an "exclusive hegemon", others not? So they put and put more and more on the striped ones, the EU is already calling on their components and technologies to get rid of the weapons, because they do not dictate their wishes.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 2 August 2020 16: 33 New
          +2
          The fact that a bunch of scumbags for 2 kopecks and not being afraid to die will shoot at everything that moves to the last. As in Syria, it happened and is happening with Tou2 and Cornets .... with these 2nd generation Pturah, you can't go there on any tanks without KAZ. And with the 3rd generation, their efficiency will increase significantly and the required level of training will also. And this will give more ATGM operators ...
          1. kot423
            kot423 2 August 2020 16: 40 New
            0
            Hmm ... Now project your entire comment above onto my original question "why selling by China is more dangerous than selling a mattress in 404" and try to answer it again.
            PS I'm not saying that the sale of such weapons to just anyone is good, but your statement in another "It is much more dangerous what China started" ..
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 2 August 2020 17: 10 New
              -1
              The fact that Ukraine is a state and there is an army ... and not 100500 razngmastnyh groups, whose fighters cut their heads ... and eat the liver and do not have centralized control.
              1. kot423
                kot423 2 August 2020 17: 14 New
                -1
                The fact that Ukraine is a state and there is an army ...

                Thanks for the uplifting.
                and not 100500 razngmast groupings,

                Those. "auto maidans, basics, another 100500 pieces of all sorts of shit with different names, but the same color" - isn't that it? Or is all this Ze and K controlled?
              2. +5
                +5 2 August 2020 18: 57 New
                +1
                Ukraine .. State ??? Come on ... The pale-faced Sahibs came up with the term `` failed state '' for such unfinished ones ... zone 404 on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR meets this definition by 120%
                1. Miron
                  Miron 10 August 2020 04: 26 New
                  0
                  We must not forget that all this is not just that, but the result of the direct intervention of the Western military, which actively sponsors both the fascist movements in Ukraine and their armed bands. At the same time, systematically physically destroying the population of the East of Ukraine, which retained its statehood, having gone under the care of mother Russia, of which she was a part until 1919.
                  Moreover, after almost 7 years, we can already say that Western Europe was the instigators of the capture of Ukraine by the Nazis. They are looking for revenge for the defeat in the Great Patriotic War and considered Ukraine too weak to resist, but they miscalculated.
                  And now they are accumulating costs.
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 2 August 2020 17: 16 New
      +1
      You might think they will go to them in tanks in the event of a war, they will burn out together with countries and with javelins, but in local conflicts it makes sense.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 2 August 2020 20: 12 New
        0
        They will close them in boilers, bomb the accumulations of equipment.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 2 August 2020 15: 08 New
    +6
    This complex should be installed on active tanks, not on front ones.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 29 New
      0
      Quote: mag nit
      This complex should be installed on active tanks, not on front ones.

      The first - the T-14 tank is not a parade, but undergoing tests, the second - this complex will not fit into existing vehicles - there is nowhere, there is a maximum arena ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 2 August 2020 15: 23 New
    +3
    There is no such can, which cannot be opened with a special knife !!
    There is no such force that cannot be overcome with even greater force!
    Quality does not mean that there is no need to have quantity.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 31 New
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      There is no such force that cannot be overcome with even greater force!

      That is why an approaching projectile (force) will be fought by a collision with a counter-projectile (even greater force, given the oncoming courses).
      And the quantity will be when the quality reaches an acceptable level ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 2 August 2020 18: 48 New
        0
        Getting into a high-speed, strong "pin" is already aerobatics!
        As soon as, they will immediately start launching several "pins" at the same time.
        Eternal struggle, spear - shield!
        So far, no one has learned how to make a shield that can protect against everything, especially when there is a lot of it. That is why military service is dangerous and ...
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 51 New
          -1
          Quote: rocket757
          Getting into a high-speed, strong "pin" is already aerobatics!

          So even in Soviet times, they learned to get ...
          Quote: rocket757
          As soon as, they will immediately start launching several "pins" at the same time.

          But this is problematic - you will have to make a double-barreled tank))))
          More than that, an Afghanite can hit more than 10 targets at the same time.
          Quote: rocket757
          So far, no one has learned how to make a shield that can protect against everything, especially when there is a lot of it.

          There is a small problem here - we are not making a shield, but we knock down someone else's spear with our spear)))
          So this is a confrontation between a spear and a spear)))) laughing
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 2 August 2020 20: 08 New
            0
            The criterion of truth is practice !!!
            In another way, NO.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 2 August 2020 23: 53 New
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              The criterion of truth is practice !!!
              In another way, NO.

              For this, tests are carried out))) Of course, a real battle is better, but who will decide on it? Although, the T-14 has already been tested in unmanned mode, so everything is possible))
          2. Miron
            Miron 10 August 2020 04: 35 New
            0
            10 is very small. And then the crew may have the effect "since you cannot be killed, you can not kill the enemy"
            These are all very difficult questions to which there are no rational answers.
            Nobody knows how the next war will turn out. We have no right to lose in it.
        2. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 3 August 2020 00: 05 New
          0
          this is not aerobatics, but good electronics
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 3 August 2020 08: 59 New
            -1
            Let there be electronics, since in that process, in your opinion, apart from good electronics, nothing else is required.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 3 August 2020 11: 54 New
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              Let there be electronics, since in that process, in your opinion, apart from good electronics, nothing else is required.

              Well, nothing, except electronics, can now perform such a task)))
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 3 August 2020 13: 34 New
                0
                To clarify, especially, electronics, inspired.
                To counteract blunt but highly destructive mechanical stress, a COMPREHENSIVE counteraction device is required.
                Ballistic computer (electronics) + high-precision, high-speed, drive (mechanics) + device launching (firing) an opposing object!
                Classic complex device.
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 3 August 2020 14: 21 New
                  0
                  So the thing is that the mechanical aspect is not such a big problem now, how to react in time! And this is for electronics ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 3 August 2020 14: 50 New
                    0
                    I can argue back, PRECISE MECHANICS, PRECISE COUNTERACTION, this is a very difficult task, unlike a good ballistic computer, for example. To detect the object of the attack is a real task, but it is already being successfully and often solved.
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 3 August 2020 16: 11 New
                      0
                      Again, for the mechanics to work accurately, you need to give it precise instructions on what the electronics are doing.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 3 August 2020 18: 47 New
                        0
                        I am not opposing one to the other, it would be stupid.
                        A comprehensive solution, just like that.
                      2. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 3 August 2020 23: 43 New
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        I am not opposing one to the other, it would be stupid.
                        A comprehensive solution, just like that.

                        It's clear)))) BUT only in our case with the electronic part is a little more complicated than with the mechanical one, alas ...
  • ximkim
    ximkim 2 August 2020 15: 41 New
    -13
    There will be no T-14 !! Watch less parades .. Why not? Since one parade!
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 31 New
      -1
      Quote: ximkim
      There will be no T-14 !! Watch less parades .. Why not? Since one parade!

      When the T-14 is equipped with the first division, what will you shout?
      And then they already shouted that no T-14 will be at the parade)))) laughing
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 2 August 2020 15: 43 New
    +4
    Afghanite does not cover the upper hemisphere.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 2 August 2020 17: 36 New
      0
      Victor Sergeev - are you absolutely sure of this? That is, the tests were not carried out? And I heard something completely different - our KAZ holds the upper hemisphere, like any other place of the equipment on which it is tested! !!
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 2 August 2020 20: 05 New
        0
        The Afghanit shells are located at an angle and are capable of fighting only against horizontally flying missiles, all KAZ are powerless against almost vertically attacking ammunition.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 3 August 2020 00: 06 New
          0
          1) they do not attack vertically, but at an angle of 40-60 degrees they attack.
          2) the protection of the tank in Armata is solved comprehensively, i.e. there are KAZ and DZ and smoke boxes with EMP elements ..
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 3 August 2020 18: 17 New
            +1
            Aerosols are a good thing, but I think it will not be very useful against Jewelin, and at the same time they will blind their own systems, something fundamentally new is needed, maybe that's why Armata does not go to the troops en masse?
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 3 August 2020 20: 38 New
              -1
              Javelins have long learned to dazzle, as it were (and yes, just a Javelin does not tolerate aerosols very well), so he tries to work according to coordinates after exposure ... therefore, the order and such, shot out the smoke and change of position .. In general, read the materiel, and then write, so it will be better
              1. Professor
                Professor 3 August 2020 21: 12 New
                +2
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                Javelins have long learned to dazzle, as it were (and yes, just a Javelin does not tolerate aerosols very well), so he tries to work according to coordinates after exposure ... therefore, the order and such, shot out the smoke and change of position .. In general, read the materiel, and then write, so it will be better

                You yourself should teach the materiel before writing nonsense about exposure and aerosols.
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 3 August 2020 23: 23 New
                  -1
                  well, don't write anything, so that there is no nonsense)
                2. Miron
                  Miron 10 August 2020 04: 40 New
                  -1
                  it has two channels, infrared and optical + inertial navigator, which has some ability to memorize the coordinates of the target + the database of the target's appearance.
                  In principle, if you learn how to create illusions and shield the target with a screen of microparticles, you can deceive it. Including the operator, who will have to accompany the target, and not "shoot and forget". That is, the operator who fires from the ATGM remains vulnerable.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 10 August 2020 20: 05 New
                    +2
                    target shape database? fool
                    Well, you can't write such nonsense ... You should at least read articles about Javelin on IN articles. For whom did I try so hard to spread them?
        2. Professor
          Professor 3 August 2020 21: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          The Afghanit shells are located at an angle and are capable of fighting only against horizontally flying missiles, all KAZ are powerless against almost vertically attacking ammunition.

          Yah? The windbreaker covers the entire upper hemisphere. The Americans, having made sure of this, took it into service.
          1. Miron
            Miron 10 August 2020 04: 42 New
            -1
            Doesn't cover.
            The Americans bought it for the reason that apparently they plan to start a war, but they could not do their own, having spent at least 10 billion on research.
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Afghanite does not cover the upper hemisphere.

      Because. that it is covered by an "umbrella" - it is not a KAZ, but Soft-Kill, as our partners say, is quite effective against IR warheads.
      But the AFAR common to the "Afghanite" and the "umbrella" is in fact a full-time AFAR machine, and the Afghani also has a separate AFAR.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 2 August 2020 15: 46 New
    -5
    Quote: garri-lin
    Therefore, I wrote "correct"

    yes good
  • Zeev zeev
    Zeev zeev 2 August 2020 15: 57 New
    +4

    For a long enough time, the active protection systems used could not protect the tank by 100 percent, since the resulting secondary fragments when the KAZ was triggered and the target hit in the form of an enemy projectile could damage, for example, optical means, tank antennas

    Strange, but when using the Israeli KAZ "Meil ha-Ruach" there were never any problems with the defeat of the antennas or optics of the tank by secondary fragments. And the dirt on the radars doesn't really bother you ...
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 2 August 2020 16: 31 New
      0
      Something tells me that in places where "dirt" is dirt, and not "light dusting" "Meil ha-Ruach" is not found ...
      1. Zeev zeev
        Zeev zeev 2 August 2020 17: 05 New
        +3
        Something tells me that you don't know what dirt is in Israel, when, after a light rain, "light dust" turns into a disgustingly sticky and heavy substance on boots, wheels and tracks.
        1. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 2 August 2020 17: 15 New
          0
          Something I do not see on the footage of the tank splattered to the very tower.
          1. Zeev zeev
            Zeev zeev 2 August 2020 17: 24 New
            +3
            Something like that?

            I can search if it is necessary, but it will be rather "Merkava 2/3".
            Or like this.
    2. mvg
      mvg 2 August 2020 17: 03 New
      +1
      with the defeat of antennas or tank optics by secondary fragments. And the dirt on the radars does not really interfere ...

      Firstly, you have a problem with dirt, only dust. The wavelength is 15-25 mm, just rain and mud.
      Secondly, in 2006 you were hit by single ATGMs such as Kornet and Fagot, neither snipers nor BOPSs. A successful machine gun burst can remove the radar from one side and create a "dead zone"
      1. Zeev zeev
        Zeev zeev 2 August 2020 17: 17 New
        +4
        First, we have rains and mud (and very diverse), and floods.
        Secondly, in 2006, "Windbreakers" were not in service from the word at all, but they hit our tanks with volleys of two or three ATGMs or RPGs from different distances and directions.
      2. +5
        +5 2 August 2020 18: 41 New
        -3
        Cornets in 2006 were isolated and at the very end ... At first, high losses and failures were attributed to them ... But the cameras of phones and YouTube plugged this version .... Competitions and ancient bassoons stopped the Jewish army ... And land mines. .. And holes in the ground ...
        1. Zeev zeev
          Zeev zeev 2 August 2020 19: 03 New
          +3
          Not isolated, and not at the end. The first "Cornets" were captured in a week, but in general it was. And the high losses of tanks (5 irretrievably lost vehicles and 31 tankers), as well as the losses of the infantry, are associated with the disgusting high command and the vague strategy of the Israeli government.
          1. +5
            +5 2 August 2020 19: 12 New
            -2
            6 and 50-60 knocked out ... you are right about the mistakes, but initially there was a howl that it was not their own fault, but "thousands of Cornets flew over their heads", and Carrot strong and super ... but the Hezbollons had cameras in their phones, and losses per hit and penetration in the "most protected tank in the world" did not differ much from "Teshek with flying towers" ... For the entire second Chechen war, there were irrevocably 1 tanks ...
            1. Zeev zeev
              Zeev zeev 2 August 2020 19: 27 New
              +3
              5 destroyed (three on land mines, two from ATGM) and 45-50 damaged. And "Merkava" showed itself perfectly. Half of the hits did not lead to the penetration of armor, even when penetrating, there were not always killed.
    3. Miron
      Miron 10 August 2020 04: 45 New
      0
      Nobody knows. The only documented fact of the Trophy's success was against the 1st generation Kornet ATGM, when the head burned through the upper frontal projection armor, but could not pass into the reserved space, and led to the destruction of the crew by fire elements. They all had to be treated for burns, but the Ministry of Defense recognized the experience as a "success", since the crew remained alive, and the car did not require repair.
      The story did not end there, after learning that the tank survived Hamaz, in his "style" decided to prove his combat capabilities by hitting the next ATGM on a school bus, killing dozens of Israeli schoolchildren on their way to school.
      If I were you, I would not push for special successes in the murder of people. For every even the smallest success, too many lives were given to innocent people. Less words are better.
      In this regard, the article itself confuses me a lot. Russia has a very similar experience. And someone itching to knock on the chest.
  • Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 2 August 2020 15: 58 New
    -12
    From the cannon that the Germans installed on the Challenger, it won't save a fig
    1. kot423
      kot423 2 August 2020 16: 11 New
      +5
      Uh-huh, and all the tanks of Russia at once, then they come back, packed in the BC, and will wait for the next ones.
      Another blah blah blah from nouname ...
    2. +5
      +5 2 August 2020 16: 18 New
      +1
      Why shoot a new super cannon at a tank from which your brothers pulled out the hatch with their hands and threw grenades there?
  • +5
    +5 2 August 2020 16: 14 New
    0
    ATGM is not difficult, the USSR still knew how ... But from OBPS it is already much more difficult. Well, protection should be provided against attacking power supply units from above.
    The Afghanite either can do it all (most likely) ... or is not needed at all ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 August 2020 16: 41 New
      -1
      ATGM TOW has a missile attacking with a tandem shock core, flying over a KAZ tank will definitely not intercept it, since the active defense martyrs are fixed.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 37 New
        -2
        Quote: Vadim237
        ATGM TOW has a missile attacking with a tandem shock core, flying over a KAZ tank will definitely not intercept it, since the active defense martyrs are fixed.

        Mortars are fixed, but the interceptor projectile can maneuver so dashingly - deviating one meter in the horizontal plane and 60 cm in the vertical one, so if the missile does not go down the hill, then it will intercept it. And for those who go completely from above (Java, spike, etc.) with IR warheads - there is an "umbrella" - here it looks directly into the upper hemisphere)))
      2. +5
        +5 2 August 2020 18: 45 New
        0
        Mortars ...
        2 TOU cores hit in one place because the BP UYa is low, the top of Russian tanks is thick, the pole of the NDZ ...
        Stlpudov Afganit closes the upper hemisphere, this is logical and they talked about it ...
        We don't need another KAZ ... The enemy for Armata will not have slippers ...
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 47 New
          0
          Quote: 5-9
          Stlpudov Afganit closes the upper hemisphere

          Not Afghan, but an umbrella))) But this does not change the essence)
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 35 New
      0
      Quote: 5-9
      But from OBPS it is already much more difficult.

      Well, it is precisely against the BOPS that the Afghanite is made, what do you think, why does it have such huge charges?
      1. +5
        +5 2 August 2020 18: 47 New
        -2
        Well, yes ... Subsonic ATGMs even Israelis learned to shoot with Veterok ... 30 years after the scoop ..
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 49 New
          -1
          Quote: 5-9
          Well, yes ... Subsonic ATGMs even Israelis learned to shoot with Veterok ... 30 years after the scoop ..

          Afghanit is essentially a continuation of the development of the Soviet line of KAZ, sharpened to intercept serious high-speed targets, such as BOPS or supersonic ATGMs (the ancestor was sort of like the thrush-2, if I remember correctly)
        2. Thrifty
          Thrifty 2 August 2020 19: 30 New
          +2
          5-9 you minus for the "scoop" and it is a pity that now is not the same as before, for such a statement is not sent to the "bathhouse" !!! negative
          1. +5
            +5 3 August 2020 09: 31 New
            +1
            actually it was sarcasm over the Israeli achievements that some here are so proud of, but it doesn't matter ...
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 2 August 2020 16: 32 New
    0
    Tolko realniy boy pokazhet na shto sposoben Afganit.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 38 New
      0
      Quote: CastroRuiz
      Tolko realniy boy pokazhet na shto sposoben Afganit.

      Why, a lot can be understood from full-scale tests - to fire a mock tank with this system with all types of ammunition. And a real battle - I agree - will reveal ALL the nuances.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 2 August 2020 16: 35 New
    +2
    Interestingly, tests were carried out against the RPG-30 "Hook". It was against such systems that it was developed.
    The RPG-30 "Hook" anti-tank grenade launcher (GRAU index 7П53) is a single-use, two-tube weapon. In a cylindrical container of larger diameter is located 105-mm tandem cumulative anti-tank grenade PG-30. Below is a container of smaller diameter in which the simulator of the target is located. Its purpose is to activate the enemy’s active defense means when approaching the target and to ensure the conditions under which the main tandem ammunition can destroy the target without hindrance.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Strashila
      Interestingly, tests were carried out against the RPG-30 "Hook". It was against such systems that it was developed.

      Most likely yes))) It's not a problem at all to work out a hook on the landfill)))
  • mortido
    mortido 2 August 2020 16: 37 New
    0
    The title of the article does not correspond to most of the text, only in the last paragraph and then without any specifics, some general phrases
  • Operator
    Operator 2 August 2020 16: 55 New
    -1
    Radiooptic radar - what kind of animal? laughing

    By the way, the optical seeker "Javelina" in rain, snow and dust does not see anything at all.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Operator
      By the way, the optical seeker "Javelina" in rain, snow and dust does not see anything at all.

      And the "umbrella" system will create these very rain and dust for it on a clear and sunny day)))
      Quote: Operator
      Radio-optical radar - what kind of animal is this?

      Most likely, the journalists did not understand the tovarischi, and it meant something like a "radio-optical complex" that the machine's OMS integrates data from the optical and radio observation channels))))
  • Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 2 August 2020 17: 12 New
    -3
    We would have put at least a normal COEP for light and medium armored vehicles, and then we would have already "promoted" with KAZ.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 2 August 2020 17: 37 New
    -3
    "After all, life will show, because life will teach ..." Vysotsky.

    Were there any tests? not. Have there been any similar cases? not. Were there theoretical calculations? apparently yes.
    This means that it is virtually resistant against TOW and Javelin ATGMs ....
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Alex2000
      Were there any tests? not.

      Oh yes, but you know everything)))) The military should tell you everything))))
      Let it be known to you - such systems are necessarily tested against all available means of destruction, and it is not a problem to get TOW and Java now ...
      1. Aleks2000
        Aleks2000 2 August 2020 23: 21 New
        0
        Not a word in the article. Even nature-experiments, as it were, with analogues (which is often done) - not a hint.
        On the contrary, the theoretical part of the calculations is underlined ...
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 2 August 2020 23: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Alex2000
          Not a word in the article. Even nature-experiments, as it were, with analogues (which is often done) - not a hint.
          On the contrary, the theoretical part of the calculations is underlined ...

          That is, do you seriously think that if the third-rate article does not say about the tests, then they did not exist? Then you are fundamentally wrong! Any such system is tested by shelling from everything that is possible and impossible, from all possible and impossible angles, and by shelling to complete exhaustion, so that in the end everything is smashed to smithereens. This is the only way to identify vulnerabilities or even just the real limits of the system's capabilities, and also understand whether they correspond to the design ones! Without this, not only adoption is not possible, but even the development itself!
          1. Aleks2000
            Aleks2000 3 August 2020 23: 57 New
            -1
            I don't think so. But once it is written, it is written.

            But you can also go from the opposite. "if the third-rate article does not say about the tests," then in fact, it means that they were, but the scientists hide everything.))) This is such a cunning plan of Putin))))
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 4 August 2020 14: 41 New
              0
              Quote: Alex2000
              I don't think so. But once it is written, it is written.

              A lot is also written on the fence)))
              Quote: Alex2000
              But you can also go from the opposite. "if the third-rate article does not say about the tests," then in fact, it means that they were, but the scientists hide everything.))) This is such a cunning plan of Putin))))

              Oha, have you heard the phrase "classified information", "classified information"? Just heard about the "cunning plan"? Where did you read about him?
              1. Aleks2000
                Aleks2000 5 August 2020 00: 04 New
                0
                If you want, you can even fasten a global conspiracy of aliens. Who's in the way?

                But this is purely yours, not a word in the article.
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 2 August 2020 17: 49 New
    +4
    We can say that the KAZ "Afghanit" is highly effective against the American TOW and Javelin ATGMs.
    Where did the author get the idea of ​​effectiveness against Javelin? dreamed or imagined? or are there any statements from the developers? then a link to the studio, otherwise it looks like the author gives his Wishlist as reality
    it was previously stated that Afghanite in the upper hemisphere does not knock anything down, with a threat from above only all sorts of aerosols and smokes
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 45 New
      0
      Quote: _Ugene_
      Where did the author get the idea of ​​effectiveness against Javelin? dreamed or imagined? or are there any statements from the developers? then a link to the studio, otherwise it looks like the author gives his Wishlist as reality
      it was previously stated that Afghanite in the upper hemisphere does not knock anything down, with a threat from above only all sorts of aerosols and smokes

      Afftyr just dumped everything in a heap - naturally Afghanite does not work in the upper hemisphere, an umbrella works there - the very smoke ducts looking up (you can google the armata tower from above - they are clearly visible there)
      It's just that the author, for some reason, attributed the AFARs of the tank itself to the Afghani, although this is an element of the OMS of the vehicle itself, the data from which will be used by the Afghani, and the umbrella, and for aiming the gun, etc.
      Afftyri such afftyry laughing
    2. +5
      +5 2 August 2020 18: 51 New
      -1
      Where did you get the idea that a light ersatz-ATGM, a replacement for an RPG, represented by Javelin, worries someone during military construction? Given that the Americans themselves recognized the concept erroneously and ordered the Swedish Gustav?
      Only the saucepans are put on him
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 57 New
        0
        Quote: 5-9
        Where did you get the idea that a light ersatz-ATGM, a replacement for an RPG, represented by Javelin, worries someone during military construction? Given that the Americans themselves recognized the concept erroneously and ordered the Swedish Gustav?
        Only the saucepans are put on him

        It doesn't matter who is there - a javelin or someone else - the principle of protection from a missile attacking a tank from above and having an IR warhead is important.
        1. +5
          +5 2 August 2020 19: 15 New
          0
          Above - yes. But protection from IR or optics is interference. Although Afghanit is a complex, and not just the defeat of an attacking ammunition ..
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 2 August 2020 19: 17 New
            0
            Quote: 5-9
            Above - yes. But protection from IR or optics is interference. Although Afghanit is a complex, and not just the defeat of an attacking ammunition ..

            And Afghanite from above will not work - this is what the umbrella does - it puts a smoke screen, impenetrable in the infrared range.
            1. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 2 August 2020 21: 13 New
              0
              physical destruction of an approaching rocket and a smoke screen, although impenetrable in the infrared range, is not at all the same, in the first case the rocket is destroyed, i.e. the probability of hitting a tank with this missile is zero, and in the second case, how lucky
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 2 August 2020 23: 55 New
                0
                Quote: _Ugene_
                physical destruction of an approaching rocket and a smoke screen, although impenetrable in the infrared range, is not at all the same, in the first case the rocket is destroyed, i.e. the probability of hitting a tank with this missile is zero, and in the second case, how lucky

                This is understandable, but KAZ operating in the upper hemisphere in the world is not yet and is not expected, so we have to use "soft-kill", as our "partners" say)))
  • Klingon
    Klingon 2 August 2020 18: 05 New
    -1
    What about crowbars? with them, this KAZ may have TC problems. new crowbars are especially promising from 130mm. drums fly at supersonic speed, unlike subsonic Tau and darts.
    and of course, before the appearance of the KAZ, it will take another 5 years on our tanks.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 46 New
      -3
      Quote: Klingon
      What about crowbars? this KAZ may have problems with them

      Just to fight crowbars, Afghanite was created in the first place! With javelins flying up from above, an umbrella will fight, and hefty maneuvering Afghanite interceptor shells will catch BOPS flying "from the side"))
    2. +5
      +5 2 August 2020 18: 53 New
      -1
      The schoolchildren were not told that even the caliber BPS from the time of the Spanish war flew strongly with supersonic sound?
      And what are the Russian subsonic ATGMs? Often not a spike ...
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 2 August 2020 18: 58 New
        0
        Quote: 5-9
        And what are the Russian subsonic ATGMs? Often not a spike ...

        Moreover, the Afghanite was originally made to fight against supersonic targets!
    3. 3danimal
      3danimal 3 August 2020 07: 41 New
      -1
      Practically with hypersonic - up to 1700 m / s, at a distance of 2 km.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 3 August 2020 11: 57 New
        0
        Quote: 3danimal
        Practically with hypersonic - up to 1700 m / s, at a distance of 2 km.

        Afghanite intercepts targets flying at a speed of 2 km / s ...
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 3 August 2020 15: 33 New
          0
          If the tower is turned towards the incoming BOPS. In a meeting battle, it is quite effective.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 3 August 2020 16: 14 New
            0
            Quote: 3danimal
            If the tower is turned towards the incoming BOPS. In a meeting battle, it is quite effective.

            So consider it and it will be turned - if the enemy entered from the side of the Afghanite's blind zone - that is, from behind (a sector of about 150 degrees), then this is the fault of the tank or unit commander ...
            So the Afghanite completely covers the frontal and side projections of the car.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 3 August 2020 16: 21 New
              0
              Afghanite overlaps in front of 120 degrees and there is a blind spot in the center (where the cannon is).
              Shot to the side - will not have time, left / right behind - as well.
              But in a one-on-one oncoming battle - it increases the chances.
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 3 August 2020 16: 27 New
                0
                Quote: 3danimal
                Afghanite overlaps in front of 120 degrees and there is a blind spot in the center (where the cannon is).
                Shot to the side - will not have time, left / right behind - as well.

                You are mistaken - Afghanite interceptor shells are capable of maneuvering deviating from a straight line by 100 centimeters in horizontal plane and 60 cm in vertical plane. Thus, Afghanite horizontally overlaps the sector at about 210-220 degrees, leaving only the aft part of the tower unprotected. And vertically - it covers the entire tower and another piece of the side. At the same time, there is a nuance - in battle, armats in the same formation will exchange data with each other and analyze where the enemy shells are flying. Roughly speaking, if armata # 1 can shoot down a projectile flying into it, then it will shoot him down, but if the armata # 2 next to it cannot shoot down a projectile flying at it, then armata # 1 (if possible) will shoot it down, even if the first this shell does not threaten the tank. There is even an opportunity to intercept shells flying, for example, at a nearby T-90, which itself cannot defend itself.
                Therefore, the tests take so long - it is necessary that all this work flawlessly.
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 3 August 2020 16: 46 New
                  0
                  Do you think that tanks will go in a tight chain, a'la German tanks in the movies? request
                  It is unclear where the information about the "maneuvering" shells comes from. These are grapeshot shots, in fact. Like the Arena, only they are fired not up-side of the approaching threat, but forward. At a certain distance - undermining. Several shots to the right and left of the cannon under the tower.
                  And you talked about something like the American Quick Kill.
                  1. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 3 August 2020 16: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    Do you think that tanks will go in a tight chain, a'la German tanks in the movies?

                    On the contrary! If the machines go the way you described, and how they were never used in reality, then using KAZ in this case will not only be ineffective, but also like death)))
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    It is unclear where the information about the "maneuvering" shells comes from. These are grapeshot shots, in fact. Like the Arena, only they are fired not up-side of the approaching threat, but forward.

                    This information was leaked repeatedly. The Afghanite has nothing to do with the arena - it is a descendant of the thrush-2 system, which had just maneuvering interceptor ammunition. As for the buckshot principle, it has not been confirmed for the Afghani, there are good reasons to assume that the striking element there is not buckshot, but a shock core. Moreover, the arena strikes incoming ammunition at a very short distance; for an Afghani, this distance can reach almost a couple of tens of meters.
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    only they are not fired up-side of the approaching threat, but forward.

                    Only after the shot can they deviate from a straight trajectory, as I described above.
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    Several shots to the right and left of the cannon under the tower.

                    Namely, and they thus cover everything in front and on the sides of the tower.
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    And you talked about something like the American Quick Kill.

                    That's right, because the Americans also developed similar systems, but at a certain time they put a bolt on them (so you have to buy a windbreaker from Israel), and we finished them at a snail's pace during the 90s - 00s, first as part of the work over object 195 under the Improvement-88 program, and then more advanced options were put on the armature))) Everything is "simple" bully
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal 3 August 2020 22: 11 New
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                      Quick Kill was all-round, with a vertical launch of a miniature interceptor missile and a subsequent turn on the target (a'la "Thor"). This made it more versatile (including missiles attacking from above), but also complex.
                      Afghanite interceptor shells are capable of maneuvering deviating from a straight line by 100 centimeters in the horizontal plane and 60 cm in the vertical

                      The deviations you specified will only cover the dead zone of the gun and provide a more accurate hit on a horizontally flying threat. Against Javelin and Spyke, it won't help.
                      Thus, Afghanite horizontally overlaps a sector of about 210-220 degrees

                      It looks like you added centimeters to degrees request
                      1. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 3 August 2020 23: 40 New
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                        Quote: 3danimal
                        Quick Kill was all-round, with a vertical launch of a miniature interceptor missile and a subsequent turn on the target (a'la "Thor"). This made it more versatile (including missiles attacking from above), but also complex.

                        Well, the Americans generally like to complicate everything))) Ours took a simple path - the system works only for shells and missiles flying along a flat trajectory and striking the side / frontal projection of the car. But at the same time, for maximum efficiency, interceptor shells can maneuver.
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        The deviations you specified will only cover the dead zone of the gun and provide a more accurate hit on a horizontally flying threat. Against Javelin and Spyke, it won't help.

                        I have written many times that the main goal of an Afghan is BOPS, and an "umbrella" will deal with Jawas and spikes, which will blind their IR and tele-guidance heads with a doom curtain installed above the tank.
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        It looks like you added centimeters to degrees

                        I just sketched out a diagram in 30 seconds very schematically and not exactly, see how centimeters can be turned into degrees)))

                        Everything, of course, depends on the speed with which the interceptor projectile maneuvers, but you can roughly understand)))
                      2. 3danimal
                        3danimal 4 August 2020 00: 31 New
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                        I just sketched out a diagram in 30 seconds very schematically and not exactly, see how centimeters can be turned into degrees)))

                        Wrong. The length of the cones will be significantly longer, because the maneuver is already after shooting.
                        In addition, it is not entirely clear how the projectile maneuvers - aerodynamically / or gas-dynamically (as did Quick Kill).
                        and the "umbrella" will cope with the Javs and spikes, which will blind their IK and tele-guidance heads with a doom curtain installed above the tank.

                        Curtains can be effective. But there is a good chance that these missiles implement the principle of the same HARM: I do not see the target - I hit the intended place of its position. Or will the tank instantly stop / take off after shooting off the cloud?
                      3. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 4 August 2020 14: 32 New
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                        Quote: 3danimal
                        Wrong. The length of the cones will be significantly longer, because the maneuver is already after shooting.

                        You are right - the range of destruction for an Afghan is sometimes called almost 70 meters (if you consider that the BOPS is affected, it looks exaggerated, but not so unrealistic), so yes - the cones are much longer, although it all depends on the speed at which the projectile will maneuver.
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        In addition, it is not entirely clear how the projectile maneuvers - aerodynamically / or gas-dynamically (as did Quick Kill).

                        This is a question, of course, the gas-dynamic principle is also implemented on some products (the same escander)
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        Curtains can be effective. But there is a good chance that these missiles implement the principle of the same HARM: I do not see the target - I hit the intended place of its position.

                        Of course, the latest javelin modifications have 100% such a lotion.
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        Or will the tank instantly stop / take off after shooting off the cloud?

                        It is quite possible, by the way - the cloud covers the area much larger than the tank itself, so that it can change its position.
                      4. 3danimal
                        3danimal 4 August 2020 17: 51 New
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                        This is a question, of course, the gas-dynamic principle is also implemented on some products (the same escander)

                        The problem is the difference in size. (You could also cite the ICBR as an example, there is only gas-dynamic control smile )
                        There is a more compact version, missiles of the R-73 family. But they are incomparably larger than Afghanit's shot.
                        I did not find information on the possible maneuvers of the latter's shots. And Drozd-2 works “in a classical, straightforward manner with detonation and destruction by shrapnel.
                        "Weapon system
                        Consists of defensive shots. At a distance of destruction, a fuse is triggered and a projectile is undermined, the high-explosive fragmentation field of which hits the target.
                        Caliber - 95 mm "
                        https://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/176636.html

                        The Americans had successes with maneuvering shots, there is a video from a number of tests (where in a few seconds a miniature rocket was launched vertically, turned towards the target and launched towards it, as if hitting). But it turned out to be too expensive, redundant, against the background of cheaper (and put on stream) "classic" "Trophy".
                      5. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 4 August 2020 18: 34 New
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                        Quote: 3danimal
                        The problem is the difference in size.

                        There is just no problem here - it is much easier to implement this on a small scale than in a huge Iskander, for example. Simply put - if you know how to make a battleship main battery cannon, then you will definitely make a rifle)))
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        I did not find information on the possible maneuvers of the latter's shots.

                        And you just won't find this information, the most recent publication on Bmpd (if I'm not mistaken) was quickly worn out. As for thrush-2, there were several options for ammunition.
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        where in a matter of seconds a miniature rocket launched vertically, turned towards the target and launched towards it, as if hitting

                        That's the problem, that for the Amers this counter-missile went vertically at first, and then had to maneuver and intercept a target that was going along a completely different trajectory. In our case, the mortar was initially directed towards the intended approach of the enemy shell. And the counter-ammunition deviates from the normal very modestly - + - 1 meter in the horizontal plane and + -60 cm in the vertical plane. So it's not nearly as fancy as that of amers)))
                      6. 3danimal
                        3danimal 4 August 2020 19: 41 New
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                        if you know how to make a main battery gun of a battleship, then you will definitely make a rifle)))

                        Invalid comparison. Note that the miniaturization of guided weapons went ... not very quickly.
                        the counter-ammunition deviates from the normal very modestly - + - 1 meter in the horizontal plane and + -60 cm in the vertical one.

                        Can you provide a link to the source of this information?
                  2. 3danimal
                    3danimal 4 August 2020 18: 03 New
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                    Here's what I found in the same profile LJ.
                    https://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/836959.html
                    Article from 05.2018.
                    Society "Special Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering" applied to the Arbitration Court of the Kurgan region with a statement of claim against the society "KBP im. Academician A.G. Shipunova "on the recovery of a forfeit for failure to fulfill obligations under the contract dated September 27.09.2011, 4211 No. 17 in the amount of 048 rubles. and the obligation to fulfill the obligations under the contract: to make prototypes of the active protection complex for conducting autonomous preliminary tests of the components of the prototype, preliminary and interdepartmental tests of the prototype; to develop operational documentation.

                    And on VO they continue to assume what incredible properties this thing has request
                  3. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 4 August 2020 18: 43 New
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                    An interesting article, two things are interesting in it:
                    - the first - in the article there is not a word about Afghanite in the text, the author, of course, writes about Afghanite in the title, but there is not a single mention in the article that it is about this system.
                    Secondly, there is an interesting mention: MF ROC "Kurganets-25KAZ", that is, we are talking about adapting the system to a specific machine ... Moreover, the same Kurgan has two active protection systems - Afghanite and thrush. At the same time, it is completely unclear which of the two systems is being discussed in the article. What is important - the links provided by the author lead to sites with eternal preventive work ...
                    Therefore, study the material carefully! Especially in any LJ-shechkah ...
                    The same GurKhan - Khlopotov has long ceased to inspire confidence with his either empty fabrications, or incomprehensible cries of "sentry! Everything is lost", or laudatory defirambs to absolutely obvious and mediocre things ...
                  4. 3danimal
                    3danimal 4 August 2020 19: 45 New
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                    But. Then where to get information? And how reliable
                    + - 1 meter in the horizontal plane and + -60 cm in the vertical
                    ? Need a link request
                  5. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 4 August 2020 19: 58 New
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                    Quote: 3danimal
                    But. Then where to get information? And how reliable

                    Like any infa about secret technology - you can't trust 100%, you can only 50% - either reliable or not)))
                    Alas, the specificity of the topic ...
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    ? Need a link

                    I say - on Bmpd in the 16th (if I remember correctly), they described in great detail, but the publication was rubbed very quickly. We also had a person on our site who worked directly on the fittings - he gave out very useful information (which was later confirmed in many ways), but after 2015 he disappeared ...
  • RainFall
    RainFall 2 August 2020 19: 14 New
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    Active protection can be carried by humans, so many tanks are protected (T-72, T-80, T-90, 2S25 Octopus)
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 2 August 2020 19: 54 New
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    Too little is known about KAZ "Afghanit"! Moreover ... there is also false data ... or data that contradict each other! If this is a KAZ with a counter-ammunition based on a "strike core", then it can be quite effective against cumulative anti-tank missiles with the ability to counter BOPS. And such a KAZ can be given the ability to defend the "upper sector"! But, along with this, infa is "observed", suggesting a completely different KAZ ... that is, of a different type! Or "criticism" of "Arena" ... From the very creation of this KAZ, it turned out to be underestimated! For there is no problem to give the "Arena" the ability to hit the AT-ammunition attacking from the top! As the saying goes, "any whim for your money!" Everything rests on money, which is "sweeter than gingerbread, sweeter than a girl ..."! And the statements of the "experts" about the "chronic" shortcomings of the "Arena" ... are "to sound the bells without looking at the calendar ..."!
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 August 2020 23: 57 New
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      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Too little is known about KAZ "Afghanit"!

      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      there is also inaccurate data ... or data that contradicts each other!

      And thank God! So everything is classified well)))
      But there is one exact infa - KAZ was created specifically with an eye to countering BOPSs, and how he implements this counteraction - let it remain secret for a very long time)))
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 3 August 2020 07: 25 New
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        Quote: Albert1988
        KAZ was created specifically with an eye to countering BOPS

        Yes .... the ability to shoot down BOPS is one of the main requirements for "Afghanit" ...
        Quote: Albert1988
        and how he carries out this opposition - let it remain secret for a very long time)))

        Alas ... the method is pretty easy to figure out! There are not so many of them! One, two ... and got it wrong! Moreover, this method was somehow mentioned.! But the "people" did not argue a lot on this topic ... and I decided to keep quiet! Regarding the conflicting information about the principle of operation of the KAZ, I am ready to confirm my opinion now. By the way, there have been reports that the "Armata" may be equipped with 2 types of KAZ ... one must act against attacking from the top of AT-ammunition.! Perhaps it will be other counter ammunition, other launchers ...
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 3 August 2020 12: 03 New
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          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Alas ... the method is pretty easy to figure out! There are not so many of them! One, two ... and got it wrong!

          Even if there are exactly two of them - a shock core and a carpeted stream, then a simple question still remains - which one is implemented?
          Although purely "logically" it is supposed to be a shock core, otherwise why would an interceptor projectile maneuver so actively ...
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          By the way, there have been reports that the "Armata" may be equipped with 2 types of KAZ ... one must act against attacking from the top of AT-ammunition.! Perhaps it will be other counter ammunition, other launchers ...

          No wonder - there is an "Afghanite" operating on BOPS and missiles flying towards the tank along a "classic" trajectory, but there is an "umbrella" smoke system (small smoke pipes looking up):

          (circled)
          These mortars create a smokescreen that blinds the IR heads of javelins, spikes, etc ...
          1. Klingon
            Klingon 3 August 2020 12: 36 New
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            have spikes teaming! the operator still sees roughly where he was directing the rocket a second ago
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 3 August 2020 14: 19 New
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              Quote: Klingon
              have spikes teaming! the operator still sees roughly where he was directing the rocket a second ago

              Electronic warfare will work against TV guidance))
              But even in this case, the umbrella will put a smoke screen through which the operator will not see anything, and the tank will change its position at that moment.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 2 August 2020 20: 53 New
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    Quote: Albert1988
    Quote: ximkim
    There will be no T-14 !! Watch less parades .. Why not? Since one parade!

    When the T-14 is equipped with the first division, what will you shout?
    And then they already shouted that no T-14 will be at the parade)))) laughing

    Quote: Albert1988
    Quote: ximkim
    There will be no T-14 !! Watch less parades .. Why not? Since one parade!

    When the T-14 is equipped with the first division, what will you shout?
    And then they already shouted that no T-14 will be at the parade)))) laughing

    The tank is frontal. Well, the statements are the same about the tank: about the filling of the tank, that this is all that it smokes and makes noise (with a smell and is audible at insistence) that you are welcome (we will not shoot), that how it will be produced, the GDP will say, that is sold to everyone.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 August 2020 23: 56 New
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      Quote: ximkim
      The tank is frontal. Well, the statements are the same about the tank: about the filling of the tank, that this is all that it smokes and makes noise (with a smell and is audible at insistence) that you are welcome (we will not shoot), that how it will be produced, the GDP will say, that is sold to everyone.

      A set of letters that mean little ...
      And to express thoughts?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 3 August 2020 00: 55 New
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    I am still worried about one question. Why do not our guns do on the principle of firing a forgotten. One person here has already clearly answered me. Imagine a modern battle. Dozens and maybe hundreds of fires are all in smoke and plus add rain. They will get where they need to or will fly away into milk, or even better, into the aft projection of their own tank. Otherwise, I see only firing with guns at a single armored object.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 3 August 2020 10: 07 New
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      Thank you no more. On VO today an article in Vooruzheniye. As everything is fast. Respect to the author. hi
  • onstar9
    onstar9 3 August 2020 03: 27 New
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    I heard that the Germans have anti-tank missiles stuffed with tungsten fragments, which explode before reaching the tank and the tungsten demolishes all the instruments and equipment on the tower. How to deal with this, because he will blow all the radars off the tower. And KAZ will not help here, because the rocket explodes even before it reaches the tank.
    1. RainFall
      RainFall 3 August 2020 04: 15 New
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      add intercept distance, more distance
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 3 August 2020 07: 34 New
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        Will not work with Afghanite. We need a KAZ, aiming a warhead in any direction. Similar to Quick Kill.
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 3 August 2020 12: 06 New
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      Quote: onstar9
      KAZ will not help here, because the rocket explodes even before it reaches the tank.

      I will disappoint you - KAZ knocks down the rocket strongly BEFORE approaching the tank, and Afghanit does it very far, because he needs to shoot down BOPSs, and you cannot work on them at close range ...
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 3 August 2020 04: 59 New
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    At the same time, earlier in the American press there was material that the Afghanit was allegedly unable to protect the T-14 Armata tank from ATGM attacking from above.
    These statements, taking into account the improvement of the characteristics of KAZ radars and built-in dynamic protection systems, look like nothing more than an attempt to pass off what is desired in the United States for reality.

    Juggling with words. As a result, the author himself said that when an ATGM attacked from above on a tank equipped with a HORIZONTALLY shooting "Afghanite" (shots are located under the tower), all hope is for dynamic protection (Contact-5, probably). But the same Javelin and Spyke have a tandem warhead, with a good / significant penetration of armor behind the remote zone. And what about the "cardboard" armor of the roof of ALL tanks?
    1. RainFall
      RainFall 3 August 2020 06: 30 New
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      Quote: 3danimal
      armor of the roof of ALL tanks

      All tanks, create a portable system. The portable system is detached. A portable system can protect soldiers too.
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 3 August 2020 06: 59 New
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        I understand, but there is no such thing in Afganit request (Moreover, when firing from behind, he will have to turn the tower - he may not have time / may not be able to).
        The “Quick kill” system being developed in the USA is more suitable here. It is versatile and can attack Delhi from any direction. It is also very complicated and expensive. smile
        1. RainFall
          RainFall 3 August 2020 07: 48 New
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          Quote: 3danimal
          ate from any direction
          Tor system. It can be made very, very, very small. A small torus can be added to the tank. Or a small torus can be portable too. Small Thor attacks in all directions
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 3 August 2020 08: 34 New
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            Following your logic, you can “easily” create Tor and nano sizes.
            The Americans were working on Quick Kill. He acted in a similar way, with an ultra-fast reaction time (incomparable with a larger Thor).
            It turned out to be too expensive, they decided to buy Israeli "classic" KAZ "Trophy".
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 3 August 2020 12: 06 New
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      There is an "umbrella" on top ....
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 3 August 2020 08: 48 New
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    Its basis is a radio-optical radar with AFAR, similar to those used on the radars of the fifth generation Su-57 fighters.

    Is this not replicated in the media by ROFAR? smile
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 3 August 2020 12: 07 New
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      Quote: 3danimal
      Is this not replicated in the media by ROFAR?

      Usual AFAR, ROFAR is only in development so far ...
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 3 August 2020 15: 35 New
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        This is understandable, but
        Its basis is a radio-optical radar
        request
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 3 August 2020 16: 16 New
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          Quote: 3danimal
          This is understandable, but

          And this already the author of the article did not understand anything - the armata computer integrates data from the radio channel (ordinary AFARs) and optical channels (ordinary optics), who wrote the article heard a ringing, but did not know where he was ...
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 3 August 2020 16: 17 New
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            Obviously so request
  • stone
    stone 3 August 2020 10: 02 New
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    "According to some reports, the Afghanit complex is not just a classic KAZ. Its radar is also capable of acting as an element of onboard fire control equipment. Such multitasking and versatility has already been appreciated by foreign experts, who note that the Russian Afghanit has advantages over similar systems. implemented on armored vehicles, for example, German and American production. "

    About the windbreaker on the Merkavas and Namers, apparently the author does not know. Of the American and German ones, only the Israeli Trophies have been implemented on the Abrams, and the radar there is just built into the fire control system. For example, aims a gun at the launch site of the ATGM.

    "One of the tasks being solved today is the stable operation of the radars of the Afghanit active protection complex when they get hit by water, dirt, dust."

    Trophy radars ("Rada" firms) look more secure than on Armata
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 3 August 2020 12: 09 New
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      Quote: stone
      Trophy radars ("Rada" firms) look more secure than on Armata

      Considering that they cost almost exactly the same))))
      Quote: stone
      German ones have implemented so far only the Israeli Trophy on the Abrams and the radar there is just built into the fire control system. For example, aims a gun at the launch site of the ATGM.

      The author confused a lot of things, the difference is different - on the armatures the radar is an integral part of the OMS, and on the merkavs / abrashs, etc. - an optional attachment, only on the K2 Korean radar is the standard one ...
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  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 3 August 2020 10: 09 New
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    Thank you no more. On VO today an article in Vooruzheniye. As everything is fast. Respect to the author. hi
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 4 August 2020 11: 31 New
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    It is clear that praising your product is probably the right thing to do, you understand marketing. Everyone is doing this, even the concerns "Mercedes" and "Lexus-Toyota", and they do not need advertising) Columnists and authors are hired, commentary reviews are written, and so on. Just wondering, is there any information from independent sources? Or can independent reviews be considered "unfriendly" opinions, competitors, for example?