The incident with the plane of the Polish President Duda: the pilots made a flight without controller commands

Against the background of Polish accusations against Russia that the Tu-154 of President Kaczynski was allegedly "loaded with TNT" during maintenance in the Russian Federation, information about the plane of the current Polish president appeared.

An article was published in Wirtualna Polska, which says that the pilots of "board number 1" a few days ago violated the instructions when transporting the head of state. It is reported that the Embraer 175 aircraft with Andrzej Duda on board flew from Babimost airport (near the city of Zielona Gora, Poland) at a time when there was no dispatcher at his workplace. In the Polish press they write that no one gave permission to take off to the pilots of "board number 1", and they, in violation of one of the basic instructions, nevertheless began the flight.

It was noted that these actions could lead to serious consequences, because at that moment, for example, another plane could come in for landing or some work could be carried out on the runway.

Now, both pilots are allegedly suspended from work, investigations are underway under the supervision of the State Commission, which is investigating aviation accidents.

The Polish media emphasize the fact that the incident was not registered immediately. The data that the plane with President Duda on board began to take off without the appropriate permission of the dispatcher was recorded only a week after that incident.

This situation drew attention to itself due to the fact that Polish pilots are not for the first time ignoring controllers' commands. When the Tu-154 with Lech Kaczynski on board landed in Smolensk, the pilots did not fulfill the instructions of the dispatchers to leave for an alternate airfield due to the sharply deteriorating weather. Now Polish pilots decide to take off at a time when the controller is not even “on the tower”. In such a situation, Polish conspiracy theorists, who do not consider it necessary to notice the obvious, can only find the "external causes" of the same catastrophe near Smolensk. The version with "TNT embedded in Russia" has already been criticized in Poland itself, asking the commission a fair question: "Why, in this case, did the Russians have to wait until board # 1 will fly to Russia?"

Comments

[Thrifty]

Polyakhia somehow ignores the fact that the plane with Kachinsky and others like him took off without even making a request for the weather in Smolensk, so that many are guilty but all who are guilty of this accident are the Poles themselves!

[Observer2014]

The incident with the plane of the Polish President Duda: the pilots made a flight without controller commands

Probably in this case, duty-free made a bookmark on the plane with whiskar

[Tatyana]

It was necessary for a long time to demolish the FALSE memorial cemetery to the Poles near Smolensk, which, according to the version of Goebbels himself, were allegedly shot by units of the NKVD, but in fact were shot by the Germans themselves.
There are unknown buried Soviet soldiers and officers of the Red Army who died in fierce battles with the Nazi-German invaders near Smolensk.
И to our HEROESburied there, not there no commemorative sign of their burial there.

There would be no such fake memorial to the Poles near Smolensk - and Kaczynski did not die either, because there would be nothing for him to fly there. And so the Poles punished themselves.

Myths of the Copper.


Viktor Ilyukhin The truth about Katyn! • 3 Feb. 2014

[Livonetc]

What is there to think.
Everything has been invented for a long time.
It was the Russians who disabled the dispatcher by giving him free vodka.
Hiley Likely.

[rocket757]

Instructions, rules and other necessary things! It was not written in vain, however.

[Egoza]

Quote: rocket757

Instructions, rules and other necessary things! It was not written in vain, however.

Well, this is written for the smart, who thinks with their heads. And PANAM - nobody is a decree! They are PANAS, who shouted to their king: "Not permissible", and here is some kind of dispatcher! They will yell and spit at each other, proving who is in charge, until they crash into a birch. And then there will be a claim to Russia: "We poked birches here!"

[rocket757]

Sloppiness and the like, an international phenomenon. Who has more, who has less, everyone has.

[Lopatov]

Quote: rocket757

Instructions, rules and other necessary things! It was not written in vain, however.

The largest plane crash in history in terms of the number of victims (Los Rodeos, 583 fatalities) occurred precisely because the pilots of one of the Boeings began takeoff without a dispatcher's command

[rocket757]

Blood, blood and instructions are written.

[dedusik]

Quote: rocket757

Instructions, rules and other necessary things! It was not written in vain, however.

However, written in blood

[Alien From]

Polish pride can only be smashed against a birch ..., they are not a dispatcher ...

[tralflot1832]

Was the drunken general in the cockpit again?

[rotmistr60]

They deliberately commit violations, and then for many years look for traces of explosives in the wreckage, in order to shift the blame on others by habit. At the word Poland, the body strains and automatically a nasty feeling for this country arises.

[APASUS]

I wonder how the Russian trail will be attracted by the incident of the Duda plane? After all, the Poles are saints, and everything that does not happen with their presidents, all the intrigues of the Russians

[tihonmarine]

Quote: APASUS

After all, the Poles are saints, and everything that does not happen to their presidents, all the intrigues of the Russians

Soon they will agree that the Russians also shot down Sikorsky's plane.

[tihonmarine]

"Why, in this case, did the Russians have to wait until board # 1 will fly to Russia?"

It would also be if the "bandits" were eliminating their rivals and recording it on a video camera, and then broadcasting "Look, this is our work!"

[Prisoner]

Maybe they'll add a blue flashing light and a serena on board, so that the rest of the devices would be pressed against the "roadside". Study the rules for organizing and performing flights, then there will be no glitches about explosives.

[Olddetractor]

The version with "TNT embedded in Russia" has already been criticized in Poland itself

TNT is in their heads. And it was not founded in Russia. He was always there. This is an explosive mixture of one's own superiority with hatred of other peoples: Jews, Ukrainians, Russians ...
And eternal self-interest

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Olddetractor

TNT is in their heads.

And, after all, traces of explosives on the wreckage could well have been.
There, in the woods, and not that can be found.
So, when they fell, they picked themselves out of the land, "an echo of the past war ..."

[Poetry]

Ah, well, everything is clear. Two, somewhat remotely similar to Petrov and Bashirov, treated the dispatcher to a coffee, into which purgen was sneakily mixed. And how exactly they calculated everything, scoundrels! ..

[iouris]

It has been shown that a catastrophe is a chain of events that ended with a collision with a birch. Recommendations were given. Thus, the conclusions of the IAC commission, which investigated the causes of the plane crash near Smolensk and pointed out the flagrant violations in the training of the aircraft and the crew of board No. 1, are still ignored. And these people run the Polish state.

[askort154]

iouris ..Thus, the conclusions of the IAC commission, which investigated the causes of the plane crash near Smolensk and pointed to flagrant violations in the training of the aircraft and the crew of board No. 1, are still ignored. And these people run the Polish state.

Quite right. When in 2010, I read the conclusions of the IAC commission, I was amazed at the organization of flight operations in Poland. Such a crew to allow the first person of the state to be transported, is sheer recklessness, or someone's intent.
In Soviet times, even for the transportation of USSR deputies and members of the government, single crews with higher professional training, with a special permit - letters "A", "K" and "M" were allowed. And the top officials of the state were transported only by 235 aircraft, today A / C "Russia". Having studied the composition of the Polish crew and their "professional training", we would not have allowed him to transport the "governor of Uryupinsk". I know what I am writing about, I myself prepared the crews for such tolerances. So, the 10-year Polish "assaults" on Russia in the "assassination of their president" is an extravagant policy of the Poles-warriors for domestic consumption, but more for obtaining status in Europe. Poland is becoming the main "sword" of Europe in its confrontation with Russia. In Brussels, it was decided, from 2021, to cut subsidies to the "Young NATO" countries by 42 billion euros, most of which was received by Poland. Now, the outraged Balts, led by Poland, decided to show Brussels that they can change their sponsor, zealously providing their territories for the US bases, pulling their blanket from Germany and France onto themselves.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: askort154

and pointed out the flagrant violations in the training of the Armed Forces and the crew of board No. 1, are still ignored ... in Soviet times, even for the transportation of USSR deputies and members of the government, only individual crews with higher professional training were allowed

In the Union, many procedures were carried out to the highest standard. Now the technique, approach, methods have changed - but the Poles should just be ashamed: LOTe uses Embraers, which means there is easy access to flight technologies, instructors and all this. "Down the drain"... Ordinary flight, no need to be heroic - you just need to do everything according to the rules, but as they said earlier ...

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Quote: cniza

Lord, how much can you ...

these will do anything to avoid admitting to a total violation of the rules for performing flights in the state squadron

Nobody even remembers CASAy when it went below the minimum with the leadership of the Pshekian Air Force ... we returned from the conference on flight safety

[sg7s]

A colleague, supported ... There was a flight at the PIC - something about one and a half, when approaching (he himself flew to the northern one more than once) - there are 100/1200 minutes, and the yachk went to them, well - LEAVE for the second, how many they say, don't kill people - no ... Moreover. there the relief profile is sharply negative; RV squealed at the last moment (and how he yells, everyone knows, you will go deaf) and 15 meters was already in the wires (I go along this road to work, I drove to the cops, my wife was a doctor, everyone was gathered, someone survived jumali. ..) I didn't look to the right (I was driving from the Pechersk), but to the left - I saw the wires were hanging, but at first they said that I had blown up on the a / d plane ...

[askort154]

sg7s ...... there are min 100/1200, and the yachk went to them, well - LEAVE for the second ..

The most competent correction of an error on the glide path is "go-around".
When the crew of the Yak-40 (apparently performing the role of the "leader") warned that it was "bad here", it hit the "psyche" of the crew, given that this crew had a small raid on the Tu-154. The co-pilot did not even change the airfield pressure at the transition level. The commander was in a stupor.
He found himself in a "knockdown", under the burden of the responsibility of making a decision: - "go to the spare", which was recommended to him by the dispatcher, or stupidly perform the "task" - to land. Moreover, he was under pressure from the "senior boss" who was illegally present in the cockpit. The commander stupidly went to fulfill his "order". As a result, they did not cope with the piloting technique, having lost control over the position of the aircraft on the glide path, and instead of going to the "second", got "a mouthful of the ground".

[sg7s]

Vooot, finally, I heard the version ... We didn’t change the pressure (judging by the flight), look (748 by 11 just 132 meters, western approach, there from the ravine. there is no radar, no ils, well, you and I would also count, only at a higher level, I would put RV at my minimum - 60/800 and go to Minsk) and got there, there is a failure, politics - then ... - there are no trifles in AVIATION ...

[askort154]

sg7s ...there from the ravine. the height decreases sharply

There are many such airfields. Just offhand: Saratov, Irkutsk, Kharkov, Chita, Ulan-ude, not to mention the "foreign" ones, where there are even more "inconvenient" ones. The professionalism of the crew consists in performing the flight, ensuring its complete safety, in spite of emerging emergency situations. You and I understand this, unlike politicians.

[sg7s]

damn it, listen. Irkutsk is in general some kind of "damned", there they either threw the shamans, or ... The guys are reluctant to even say ... Sunset - normal, well, within the city, but there are such people. But ... how many corpses. .. Kharkov in my time was called simply "Kharkiv" ... exactly west-east and two lanes - civil and industrial (one of my friends confused, the dispatcher - after "So-and-so-landing." "Where are you?", Well, sat down at the factory, and after landing in kharkov, peskodralom not aays ... And Saratov - ok, what are the questions ... Well, if something has not grown there, everyone has skeletons ... who flew in our time (well, at least hours 8-9 thousand)

[sg7s]

Yes, they were normal (for just a drive, not drives, there is one drive), BUT inexperienced, well, 50-squeaked - for gases, a carcass - "M" -ka, just give me ore - presses into a chair ... Who was in the cockpit - he himself was in the cockpit with such people - one redhead was worth what, not a decree, do your job ...

[Graz]

claims to the pilots are understandable and in many respects fair, but the question is whether the dispatcher should not constantly be on duty on the tower and not alone, especially when the head of state is likely to fly out (I am not an expert in this, maybe I am confusing that)

[Lopatov]

Quote: Graz

but the question is, shouldn't the dispatcher be constantly on duty at the tower and not alone

This airport has two arrivals and two departures a day, why keep dispatchers there all the time?

[iouris]

Quote: Graz

but the question is, shouldn't the dispatcher be constantly on duty at the tower

Answer.
1) The aerodrome is inactive, i.e. course glide paths did not work on it, the crew controlled the glide path according to the American GPS (in enemy airspace).
2) The dispatcher forbade landing and he could do nothing more.
3) PIC on board # 1 is not obliged to listen to the dispatcher.
4) The commander-in-chief of the Polish Air Force stood behind the PIC and directed the decision-making. Two years earlier, the PIC on board # 1, who refused to land the plane in Tbilisi during the "events", was dismissed).
5) The President of the Russian Federation gave permission to fly in (well, very much it was necessary for Kaczynski to visit Katyn before the vote - the "team" convinced him of this, the "team" was very important, and all responsibility for the disaster and organizational flaws in the government unit formally fell on the head of the Polish government, and ...).
6) Not a single head of state (except for the Russian Federation) attended the funeral of the victims. This indirectly shows the attitude to those statements of Kaczynski-President to Germany, England and further down the list. The Kaczynskis were born into a family of "Polish patriots" who participated in the resistance in formations subordinate to the government in London; he declared at every opportunity that the "allies" (not the USSR) had betrayed Poland).
What is still not clear?

[sg7s]

ss of ANY plane must listen to the dispatcher (if he is not a suicide), how did you react, at min 100, does your RV work at 15 meters? Well. put it on 60 (I would do it and leave with God), come in a second time, go to Minsk or Vnukovo ...

[sg7s]

Yes, the dispatcher "hijacked" them ... Listen to the radio, everything is available ...

[Crash]

And these people are still selling F-35s. That's where the monkeys with the grenade ... They don't know how to fly civilians ...

[sg7s]

"On civilians" - we know how, not everything, really ... No need to drive at all ...

[Crash]

"On civilians" - we can, not everything, really ...

Then at least on board # 1 put those who can And these - to pollinate the corn

[Crash]

And generally speaking. When reading such news, more and more often in my head there is a request to the site administrators: ADD A SMILE FACEPALM!

[Captain45]

It is reported that the Embraer 175 aircraft with Andrzej Duda on board flew from Babimost airport (near the city of Zielona Gora, Poland) at a time when there was no dispatcher at his workplace. In the Polish press they write that no one gave permission to take off to the pilots of "board number 1", and they, in violation of one of the basic instructions, nevertheless began the flight.
It was noted that these actions could lead to serious consequences, because at that moment, for example, another plane could come in for landing or some work could be carried out on the runway.(C)
If history teaches anything, it is only that it teaches nothing. Well, a birch to help them

[gvozdan]

Do not just wait for the flight to the Russian Federation, but also wait for the flight to Smolensk. It remains only to find the striking elements in the form of five-pointed stars with a sickle and a hammer

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

The problem with the Poles' trips to Smolensk is easy to solve, it is necessary to put next to a monument to the fallen heroes of the Red Army in the style of liberators trampling Nazi Germany's henchmen, I think that they will run away like devils from incense.

[Operator]

Babimost is a cursed place

Well, what else can you say about Polish pilots and their leadership, besides the classic: ".....", - S. Lavrov (C)

[notingem]

Soon Duda's plane will fly away without Duda and pilots but with dispatchers

[alex neym_2]

Guys! Learn history! The bomb was planted as early as 179 ... some year and psheks are still looking for it !!!

[Narak-zempo]

"Why, in this case, did the Russians have to wait until board # 1 will fly to Russia?"

Elementary Watson.
The Russians could not enter the president's plane in Poland because it was guarded by the Polish special services, the entire Polish people and Matka Boska herself. And as soon as he crossed the border, the insidious Russians immediately planted a mine. Right in the air

[notingem]

Baba Yaga is watching. Fuck will leave the battle stupa