Ukraine is modernizing its MiG-29 fighters with Israel's help

Israel will modernize the Ukrainian MiG-29 fighters. According to the Defense Express portal with reference to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the Israeli company Elbit Systems has received documents from Jerusalem allowing modernization of Ukrainian aircraft.

As the newspaper writes, the need for an Israeli company to obtain permits is caused by the need to take into account the requirements of the Ukrainian side on the technological component of aircraft modernization. The documents spell out the peculiarities of the interaction of the parties, as well as the compatibility of various fighter systems, and those responsible for their integration.

Nothing is reported about the modernization itself, the portal writes that the improvements will make it possible "to make a qualitative leap in increasing the combat capabilities of the MiG-29." In particular, the fighter should receive a new radar and weapons control system that would allow "work on the ground."

Ukraine's intention to modernize 11 MiG-29 fighters was announced at the end of last summer. It was immediately emphasized that the work would be carried out by specialists from the Israeli company Elbit Systems. At the same time, it was argued that the modernized fighters would receive fundamentally new capabilities and the latest weapons for conducting air combat.

At the same time, some military experts questioned the ability of Israeli specialists to carry out a high-quality and functional modernization of Soviet fighters. Earlier, Elbit Systems, together with German specialists, has already tried to modernize the MiG-29 in Romania under the Sniper program. As a result, this program did not have development and success, and all the modernized MiG-29s were removed from service.

However, wait and see how the fate of the Ukrainian modernized fighters will develop.

Comments

[Kuz]

They are preparing for Donbass. Oh well...

[tol100v]

Quote: Maz

Jewish creatures.

And there is nothing more to answer!

[Professor]

Quote: Maz

Israel has a "good" track record: Georgia - technology and military experts, the result? Georgians killed Russians, Azeybarjan - modernization of equipment, UAVs, Orthodox Armenia and a bunch of Russians living there under sights ,, Is Ukraine now to kill Russian people from these planes again? Now, So that the Sumerians kill the Russians. Shaw and talk, partners, damn it. A couple of such partners and enemies do not need. Why should I love you Aronchik? Zeevchik, Krasnodarchik, Voyakchik, professor and others with "non-comrades"? Today my sister's husband died in Donetsk; he was fifteen years younger than me. He spent the entire war in the basement, getting water from puddles. He sent his children and wife to Crimea. and then neither war nor peace. Shelling. Nightmares. The heart could not stand it. Do not be offended guys, now it's personal. As one Jew said, they say I am not from Israel. Don't confuse me with them. Jewish creatures. forgive me moderator.

Interested in "a bunch of Russians living in Armenia"? You confused with Bat Yam. There are practically no Russians left in Armenia for a long time. In my native Gyumri, out of 4 Russian schools, only one remained, and that one was in a military town.

And you outlived your sister's husband by 15 years thanks to the Israeli medicine, the services of which you use for free out of the kindness of our soul.

Georgians did not invade Russia, but fought on their own land and for their land.

In Azerbaijan, which is actively arming Israel, there are many more Russians than in Armenia. And how many Russians live in Ukraine ...

So take it easy.

PS
Is your daughter still among the Jews? Is her Haver Moroccan or Arab? And what did you think about when you took her out of Ukraine to Israel?

PPS
Elbit has a rich and successful experience in upgrading Soviet technology. So if the news is not fake, then Ukraine will have combat-ready aircraft.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: professor

Georgians did not invade Russia, but fought on their own land and for their land.

Oops! So the land is not Georgian. And Abkhazian and Ossetian. If the Georgians happily used the right to self-determination of the people to leave the USSR, they had to be at least completely consistent and recognize the right to self-determination of peoples within Georgia and build a state based on the principles of mutual respect. However, the Georgians wanted to build their own mini-empire and simultaneously carry out Georgianization to unify the population. On what and burned.

[Professor]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Quote: professor

Georgians did not invade Russia, but fought on their own land and for their land.

Oops! So the land is not Georgian. And Abkhazian and Ossetian. If the Georgians happily used the right to self-determination of the people to leave the USSR, they had to be at least completely consistent and recognize the right to self-determination of peoples within Georgia and build a state based on the principles of mutual respect. However, the Georgians wanted to build their own mini-empire and simultaneously carry out Georgianization to unify the population. On what and burned.

Well yes. In the UN, however, they do not agree with your point of view and do not recognize the separatists. They are stupid to this day believe that this is George.

[antivirus]

while it is necessary to cook apple jam, then let's see who will glorify their country, not in the past tense.

The UN can be rebuilt in the barracks of any country, DO NOT AGREE YET TO WHOM TO GIVE RIGHT

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: professor

They are stupid people still think

And what to take from them? People who piously profess double standards do not have the right to vote. Why do you deny what is sacred? The right of peoples to self-determination? And then it turns out as something strange here I see, here I do not see and there the fish was wrapped.
The principles applied by the UN, as a minimum, should not have a double interpretation and special cases ..... In fact, the separatists Georgians were destroying the USSR, for some reason they are not happy that they are being destroyed by the separatists Abkhaz and Ossetians. I'm surprised. Don't you?

[Professor]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Why do you deny what is sacred? The right of peoples to self-determination?

In no case. However, your constitution denies such a right. Moreover, your Criminal Code severely punishes the calls of nations for self-determination.

Quote: Cyril G ...

The principles applied by the UN, as a minimum, should not have a double interpretation and special cases ..... In fact, the separatists Georgians were destroying the USSR, for some reason they are not happy that they are being destroyed by the separatists Abkhaz and Ossetians. I'm surprised. Don't you?

By replacing "Georgia" with "Russia" and "Ossetians" with "Chechens" you will put yourself in a dead end.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: professor

By replacing "Georgia" with "Russia" and "Ossetians" with "Chechens" you will put yourself in a dead end.

No professor in a dead end, you will drive yourself and look extremely stupid there. Why do you ask?
I will gladly tell you.
So the collapse of the USSR begins. The Georgians say that they say they have the right under the constitution. That's right - there is. Break off. At the same moment what happens? Ossetians and Abkhazians also declare that they have the right too, because they have devils. The first war begins in which the Georgians, by tradition, have already been hung up ...

And the wild cry and moan deaf
Rushed deep into the valley -
The battle did not last long:
Timid Georgians fled!

...............................

Dashing horse, you are lord
Taken out of battle like an arrow
But the evil bullet Ossetian
He caught up in the darkness!

Quote: professor

Replacing "Georgy" with "Russia" and "Ossetians" with "Chechens"

Cannot be replaced from the word at all. For in 1993 a new constitution was adopted in which the phrase "On the Right of Nations" was immediately eliminated. So at the time of the collapse of the USSR, the Abkhaz had the right to demand the above right. And the war in Chechnya began at the end of 1994.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: professor

Well yes. In the UN, however, they do not agree with your point of view and do not recognize the separatists. They are stupid to this day believe that this is George.

Professor about the war in South Ossetia, the truth still leaked in the Western media sometimes.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281990.stm

[akarfoxhound]

Now "your" The UN will approve or approve of everything that is across Russia, including the bombing of a sovereign state for its own state for the democratic benefit. Now, if suddenly any region would "cheer up" in disconnecting from the Russian Federation, you would in your UN, for the most part, squeal with pleasure in the general approval of self-determination. With the same, similar theme in the mattress satellite - nizya, panimash separatism, especially when the separating pro-Russian are tuned in.

[lopvlad]

Quote: professor

In the UN, however, they do not agree with your point of view and do not recognize the separatists.

made fun of.

[KCA]

But the UN, as it were, does not notice the actual occupation of Adjara by Turkey, without a war, however, financially, in Batum, the names of streets are already written in Turkish

[Zeev zeev]

Chechnya also seceded from the Russian Federation. Based on the referendum, which is interesting.

[Cyril G ...]

So the Russians did not seem to be eager to destroy the USSR and did not drown for it. So you missed again. It was about something else. Why are the separatists Georgians so terribly dissatisfied that they were destroyed by the separatists Abkhaz and Ossetians.

[Zaurbek]

Who destroyed the USSR? Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian .... the rest were presented with a fact.

[lopvlad]

Quote: ZeevZeev

Chechnya also seceded from the Russian Federation.

and in 2003, on the basis of a referendum with more than 80% of the ZA, it again became part of Russia.

[Zeev zeev]

Why, they wouldn't agree after two wars.

[Zaurbek]

One way or another, Chechnya became part of the Russian Federation back. Go and see how it is now. It should be noted that in 94 and 2001 Ukrainian militants were actively present there ...

[Arpad]

Quote: Zaurbek

One way or another, Chechnya became part of the Russian Federation back

anyway ?
And what about the right of nations to self-determination?
i.e. Ossetians - gut, Chechens - not gut.
And what about the Tatars?

February 7, 1992 Tatar SSR - the Republic of Tatarstan was renamed into the Republic of Tatarstan [5], which was not consistent with the Constitution of the RSFSR before May 16, 1992 [6] (--- (Donbass does not remind? - my question ). On March 21, 1992, a referendum on the status of the Republic of Tatarstan was held. To the question: "Do you agree that the Republic of Tatarstan is a sovereign state, a subject of international law, building its relations with the Russian Federation and other republics, states on the basis of equal treaties?" aboutanswered positively by 61.4% of voters[7].

22 May was adopted by the Supreme Council on the status of Tatarstan as a sovereign state.

On November 30, 1992, a new Constitution of the Republic of Tatarstan is introduced, declaring it a sovereign state[9].

That this referendum in Tatarstan on self-determination, the most humane supreme court in the world, did not admit

On April 19, 2001, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation recognized the provisions on the sovereignty of Tatarstan as inconsistent with the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

Double standarts ????
Nah.

[Zaurbek]

Standard one: The USSR collapsed. Communist idiology disappeared and national and religious tensions began on the remnants of the USSR. Some republics have collapsed, some have not collapsed. The RF Armed Forces did not arrange ethnic cleansing in Chechnya, the Chechens were quietly doing business throughout the RF. They suppressed those who resisted, cut the money for which the REVOLUTIONARY resisted. They gave power to the Chechens themselves .... They also do business throughout the Russian Federation.
Weak countries do not live independently and no one guarantees their integrity. In any case, there will be someone's protectorate and this protectorate may not suit the neighboring state.

[Arpad]

Quote: Zaurbek

Standard one: The USSR collapsed. Communist idiology disappeared and national and religious tensions began on the remnants of the USSR.

Well, in your opinion, they have the right to do so, within the framework of self-determination.

Quote: Zaurbek

The RF Armed Forces did not arrange ethnic cleansing in Chechnya, the Chechens were quietly doing business throughout the RF. Suppressed those who resisted, cut the money for which the REVOLUTIONARY resisted

and Tatrstan?

Quote: Zaurbek

Weak countries do not live independently and no one guarantees their integrity

and who do you refer to weak countries and in general, what do you care about this?

Quote: Zaurbek

In any case, there will be someone's protectorate and this protectorate may not suit the neighboring state.

And?
that is, a state that does not like the decision of an independent country has the right to act with its neighbor as it pleases.
Interesting. Then why are you pulling on amers?

[Zaurbek]

Not. Whoever was able to separate, separated. Was Kosovo able to separate itself from the Serbs without NATO? Can some people help the rebels and others not? Note - the Russian Federation's neighbor was not bombed throughout the territory ...

[Arpad]

Quote: Zaurbek

Not. Whoever was able to separate, separated.

Tatrstan and Chechnya failed.

Quote: Zaurbek

Was Kosovo able to separate itself from the Serbs without NATO?

And Ossetia, Abkhazia and the LPR did.
They were helped.

Quote: Zaurbek

Can some people help the rebels and others not?

of course you can, but what about the proverb about a speck and a log?

Quote: Zaurbek

Note that the Russian Federation's neighbor was not bombed throughout the territory.

I don't quite understand what you mean.
if Russia bombed neighboring countries.
Firstly - yes, and secondly - it is necessary to bomb 7 You can, after all, fire with artillery, enter ichtamnets, etc., etc.

[Zaurbek]

Yes, someone could, and who could not. This applies to all countries. But first of all, those countries suffer where power is weak. And by the way, nobody forced Georgia to kill peacekeepers. And no one forced Ukraine to make a revolution and question the presence of the fleet in Crimea.

[good]

Just don't drive a blizzard
All national autonomies within Russia were in a privileged position, even under tsars and emperors, as soon as they became subjects,
even the peasants were not serfs
And after 1917, even more so
Everyone has their own language, their own schools, their own traditions, their own religion, their own culture
self-determine as you want, no one forbids
Many writings did not have normal or did not have their own at all.
And he did not exterminate anyone like in North America for the sake of land, did not move on the reservation and did not replace with blacks
Look at the history of France or Germany, they didn’t take a steam bath, everyone who was against was soaked and replaced.
The Germans stupidly deduced the Slavs and Prussians as a species, France became unitary with the help of a sword, Spain too.
Who is stronger is right, alas.
Those who wanted to lose their subjectivity have already lost, allegedly fighting the Russian threat and self-determining, a small state always has to make a choice either to be on an equal footing with Russia or in Russia, or to lie under Russia's enemies. Alas, no options. Only they are stupid and think they will be allowed on equal terms in Europe or somewhere else.
And big Russia has no alternative, it falls to us to disappear along with everyone who makes up this country and we have to survive at any cost, so it's better not to fall under the arm.

[Zaurbek]

No need to drive a blizzard ... minorities .... specifically the Caucasus was oppressed under the tsarist regime and expelled from their places of residence. Among the peoples of the Caucasus, the revolution was greeted very warmly and it was the Soviet government that gave some rights, alphabet and some kind of development to small nations. They did not differ much from the position of the Indians and did not differ under the King.

[good]

The wild division (90% consisted of Muslim volunteers of the Caucasus of various nationalities) of 1914 was apparently already forgotten and the Bashkir cavalry in Paris back in 1814
They had to fight in the Caucasus with those who threatened security and the loss of communication with the Caucasus and the Georgian lands that entered the empire, and the Turks and the Persians there stirred up the British, too.
And after the defeat of the imamat Shamil and his family were not executed, but gave him all the privileges and released him on the Hajj.

Everything has always been and is now simple, self-define as you want, just not against Russia. Sooner or later Russia will have to react to threats, it is much easier and more useful not to be enemies.

[Zaurbek]

Yes. Attracted ... and that's it.

[Lekz]

You were deceived, there was no referendum. From the word at all. There was a vote of some rabble on the topic of a "congress of the Chechen people." We have such "congresses" at every entrance and everyone strives to speak on behalf of the Russian people. Some even single-handedly strive to present the people.

[Zaurbek]

The people of the USSR, generally voted with the union treaty and the preservation of the USSR

[Lekz]

The All-Union referendum on the preservation of the USSR was held on March 17, 1991. 76,43% of 79,5% of those who had the right to vote voted for the preservation of the USSR.

[Sailor]

And this is your whole essence rotten.

[Glennie]

Who is to blame for you?

[Zaurbek]

Always guilty myself. The USSR itself is to blame for its disintegration, Ukraine itself is to blame for its own. The Russian Federation itself organized the independence of Chechnya and fought against it with great blood.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Maz

Israel has a "good" track record: Georgia - technology and military experts, the result? Georgians killed Russians, Azeybarjan - modernization of equipment, UAVs, Orthodox Armenia and a bunch of Russians living there under sights ,, Is Ukraine now to kill Russian people from these planes again? Now, So that the Sumerians kill the Russians. Shaw and talk, partners, damn it. A couple of such partners and enemies do not need. Why should I love you Aronchik? Zeevchik, Krasnodarchik, Voyakchik, professor and others with "non-comrades"? Today my sister's husband died in Donetsk; he was fifteen years younger than me. He spent the entire war in the basement, getting water from puddles. He sent his children and wife to Crimea. and then neither war nor peace. Shelling. Nightmares. The heart could not stand it. Do not be offended guys, now it's personal. As one Jew said, they say I am not from Israel. Don't confuse me with them. Jewish creatures. forgive me moderator.

Yes, Maz, sausage you are not sickly!
Well, well, you our sufferer, are you toiling in a foreign land?
Why are you tormenting yourself so, poor thing?
Also, sit, I suppose, in the basement, you get water from puddles?
Why don't you flee from the Jewish captivity at breakneck speed?
Eh?
And, of course, money from creatures of the Jews are doing well. How could it be without them?
Do they not burn the pens? Doesn't burn.
Is there enough for bread, even with butter? Enough.
The Promised Land has seen many and will survive one more.
L-rd be your judge.

[paco.soto]

my sister's husband died in Donetsk, he was fifteen years younger than me ©
My human condolences to you.

[indy424]

they don't take offense at the poor, maz. the main thing is that your head does not burst from righteous anger. wear a fur zipper on the shoulder strap, if of course you find it among the Jewish creatures in the country

[Incvizitor]

In the early 1950s, when the Zionists betrayed humanity and began to drown for the FSA and the West themselves equated themselves with terrorists, and any supply of weapons to their enemies was completely logical and correct.

[Zaurbek]

Which enemies of Israel is Russia supplying tons of weapons?

[outsider]

- Syria. Iran. Hezbollah.

[Zaurbek]

Iran has long been producing weapons itself, which it supplies to its allies. And the last S-300 was installed, to say that it threatens Israel from the territory of Iran, which has no common borders with Israel ...
Syria is not an independent state, but with weapons from the Russian Federation they destroyed the militants who were supplied with weapons and medicines by Israel as well. Forgive us.
Israel, for example, has modernized tanks and other weapons in Georgia. For instance. They shot at peaceful peacekeepers from the Russian Federation and killed them.

[outsider]

- Thousands of Jews in Israel over the past 60 years have been killed precisely with weapons made in the USSR and supplied to the Arabs. Killed under the leadership of Soviet military specialists.

[Zaurbek]

Look for the roots of this evil in the struggle for independence and in a quarrel with Comrade. Stalin.
Which, in the same way, recognized Israel itself as a state ...... and allocated you the Jewish Autonomous Region ..... which no country in the world has done.

[outsider]

- And where did Stalin allocate the Jewish Autonomous Region to the Jews ?! In Crimea? (Which would become a new California for the USSR). He singled out the Jewish Autonomous Region in the Magadan region! Imagine that Stalin would give the Circassians the Circassian Autonomous District on the Kolyma River? Would you like it as a Circassian? Would it seem correct and fair? Why not in Yakutia? Or not in Chukotka ?!
Comrade Stalin had a very peculiar sense of black humor ...

[Zaurbek]

I repeat the question: what other country or people allocated a whole subject to the Jews (can you give statistics for the last 4000 years)? With national language, etc. We, as Circassians, were scattered - in the Russian Federation into 3 regions (Adygea, Karachay-Cherkessia, Kabardino-Balkaria and Krasnodar Territory) ... and on the road Israel, Turkey, Jordan, Syria, Kosovo. On the contrary, we were scattered (no more than three)

[outsider]

- Yes, it was not a "subject", but a place of exile for the Trotskyists- Stalin considered all Jews to be Trotskyists - and was preparing to destroy them all in 1953. Thanks to Comrade Beria for my happy life, that he poisoned him on time! Out of selfish interests, of course, but still - thanks!
The JAO would become a "subject" in Crimea - and this would be the most prosperous region of the Soviet Union in its entire history! Such a "Soviet Israel in miniature", Soviet and socialist.
But for the proposal to move the Jewish Autonomous Region there, even Molotov's wife thundered for 5 years in the camps! And the whole Jewish anti-fascist committee was simply destroyed.
https://www.yadvashem.org/ru/education/educational-materials/learning-environments/families/additional-materials/jac.html

[Zaurbek]

Now it is still a subject ...

[outsider]

- And who the hell needs it ?? There were Jews there 10 years ago (from memory) Up to 1% (one percent) - what is this "Jewish" autonomous region ?? It has long been anything but Jewish ... The place has become vacant, can you write a letter to Putin and ask him to set up a ChAO, the Circassian Autonomous Region, in this place? Since the ungrateful Jews dumped everything from there ...

[Zaurbek]

They won't settle us compactly ...

[outsider]

- What is so terrible and dangerous about you for the government? Which is not even afraid of Chechens?

[Bar1]

I wonder how the Jews know how to upgrade someone else's plane? Adapt another radar, but figure out how to use non-native bombs ?!
Is there a leak of information on the aircraft documentation?

[NIKN]

They already have experience and not bad.

MiG-21 93 modified in Israel for Romania

[tol100v]

Quote: NIKNN

They already have experience and not bad.

What they have, what the Merikos, Always sounds: We are the first and we can! Yes, steal and appropriate! They can ...!

[outsider]

I wonder how the Jews know how to upgrade someone else's plane?

- These Jews - they are such Jews! They know a lot ...

[Zaurbek]

The Turks are perfectly modernizing the Mi-8, the Americans immediately equipped all the Mi17 supplied with their own avionics.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Bar1

I wonder how the Jews know how to upgrade someone else's plane? Adapt another radar, but figure out how to use non-native bombs ?!
Is there a leak of information on the aircraft documentation?

of course have.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Kuz

They are preparing for Donbass. Oh well...

There are two points in this situation: the first is that the modernization of MIGs by Ukrainians has not yet led to anything good, except for the loss of pilots and equipment. Secondly, today, I suppose, if they rock the Donbas from above, I would not be surprised if "unexpectedly" TOPs and Knights may appear there.

[Zaurbek]

Some TOP already shot down a Tochka-U missile in Donbas ... there was a report on TV.

[Alien From]

Oh yes, the Jews will rip off the last skin from non-brothers)

[Cyril G ...]

Yes, and they will strip off the skin and cut off the bacon ...

[loki565]

They have already modernized the Su25 for the Georgians, so they are going to write them off)))

[Zaurbek]

They write them off for the uselessness of attack aircraft .... but the Russian Federation could well have bought them. since we cannot produce new Su25

[lis-ik]

Quote: Alien From

Oh yes, the Jews will rip off the last skin from non-brothers)

A controversial issue. It is not for nothing that they say, "a Ukrainian was born, a Jew hanged himself."

[Albert1988]

Quote: lis-ik

It is not for nothing that they say, "a Ukrainian was born, a Jew hanged himself."

"Where villain passed, there a Jew has nothing to do "...
"When villain was born, the Jew wept "...

If it’s banal to steal, then this is to the "settlers", but as a gesheft on the poor-minded, it’s the Jews are masters, but who needs a kickback from this deal in Ukraine ...

[Andrey.AN]

In vain you think so, from my position it looks that the Jews are not at all averse to serving for the good, history interferes, it contains only debts, except for the fascist genocide, they don’t write a damn about how they paid, for the Promised Land, in front of those from whom they took away, I wonder would be to read. And then some one will say - I got it on the neck for your house, shouldn't he go to the one from whom I received it? They are recognized as worthy only when they behave themselves.

[Bulgarian]

May help Palestinians modernize Qassam missiles

[Zaurbek]

Iran is helping them in this, which in turn copies everything that it can ... including the unique Cornet and TOU

[Marconi41]

This is not good. The Israelis are capable of improving the combat capabilities of this aircraft. Hopefully ours will also throw in the LDNR something more worthwhile than the ancient Soviet military air defense.

[Ilshat]

I suppose, regardless of the results of modernization, the kakly will not dare to use aviation against the LPNR.
Because they won't get it for nothing.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Marconi41

This is not good. The Israelis are capable of improving the combat capabilities of this aircraft. Hopefully ours will also throw in the LDNR something more worthwhile than the ancient Soviet military air defense.

Well, ours can throw in the latest V and VT, not only the LDNR, but also Iran, for example ... it will be a glorious hunt, for someone the last ...

[outsider]

- Again the Buk air defense system?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Outsider

- Again the Buk air defense system?

Again, where is this from? The militias have long and thoroughly registered the Torahs, with which they landed a bunch of dill, and the beech is the schizophnatasia of the gentlemen, who are trying with all their might to retouch the chewy-black ears sticking out of the tragedy with the Boeing ...

[3danimal]

I hope ours will leave the southeast of Ukraine and stop supporting local gangs. It will become easier for all Russians - the billions that are thrown in there annually will cease to be "absorbed", "vacationers" will die. And most of the sanctions will be lifted (from which one "benefit" ).

[Marconi41]

Quote: 3danimal

And most of the sanctions will be lifted (from which one "benefit"

Oh, these tales!
Oh, these storytellers!

[3danimal]

Can you argue point by point?
(I understand, on TV they say that "they are from harm")

[Kuz]

Could have repaired on Sokol.

[outsider]

- In Israel, the level of avionics is higher.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Bulgarian

May help Palestinians modernize Qassam missiles

Who can prohibit the Russian Federation? Like anything else in the field of military-technical cooperation.

In July 2015, Vladimir Kozhin, aide to the President of the Russian Federation for military-technical cooperation, announced that Iran would receive modernized S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems from Russia. On November 9, 2015, the contract entered into force. On April 11, 2016, the representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Islamic Republic of the Islamic Republic Hussein Jaber Ansari spoke about the receipt by Iran of the first batch of S-300 under a contract with Russia.
On May 10, it became known that the Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems delivered to Tehran were adopted at the Iranian air defense base of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps "Hatam al-Anbiya". On September 21, the Iranian military demonstrated Russian S-300s at a parade in Tehran.

[figwam]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Who can prohibit the Russian Federation? Like anything else in the field of military-technical cooperation.

How long have you had a common border with Iran? In addition, there are defensive weapons, and there are offensive ones.

[borberd]

Quote: figvam

How long have you had a common border with Iran?

Since then, when Iran pinned itself to Syria ... on our border with it.

[figwam]

Quote: borberd

Ever since Iran got into Syria

And how the S-300 air defense systems sold to Iran threaten Israel?

[borberd]

Nothing like the Syrian ones at the moment.

[figwam]

Quote: borberd

Nothing like the Syrian ones at the moment.

Therefore, if the outskirts receive attack aircraft, then in response someone, somewhere will receive something that will threaten you, everything is simple.

[borberd]

We are constantly finding your weapons from our enemies. So nothing will change.

[figwam]

Quote: borberd

We already constantly find your weapons from our enemies

Even your militants in Syria are fighting with our weapons, nothing can be done about them, they are the most reliable and cheapest.

[borberd]

Our militants are fighting in Syria only in your visions. There are enough militants from all sides and from yours too, not only from ours. We are not participants in the Syrian civil war.

[figwam]

Quote: borberd

We are not participants in the Syrian civil war.

Oh, I forgot, you always have nothing to do with it)))

[borberd]

Quote: figvam

Oh, I forgot, you always have nothing to do with it)))

Exactly .

[Incvizitor]

Look at yourself missiles of calibers and Iskander do not find in the end.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: figvam

And how the S-300 air defense systems sold to Iran threaten Israel?

Air defense covers ground troops.
Beh air defense is practically impossible to conduct ground operations. (until the 20th century it was possible, but now it is not very good)
since the Iranian Air Force cannot fulfill the role of an air defense (they will not pull it, like their fellow Arabs in past wars), then only missiles remain.

continue the chain?

[figwam]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

Air defense covers ground troops.

Iranian S-300PMU2 cover strategic facilities on their territory from your missiles.

Quote: Maki Avellievich

continue the chain?

For those who are in an Israeli tank, I repeat, put on strike weapons, you will receive the same in return.

[kapitan92]

Who can prohibit the Russian Federation? Like anything else in the field of military-technical cooperation.

1. Volyn massacre - March-July 1943
2. Lviv pogrom - July 1941
3. Executions at Babi Yar - 1941
4. Liquidation of the Rivne Jewish ghetto - July 1942
5. Massacre in Khatyn - March 22, 1943
6. Murder of Lviv professors - July 1941
7. Tragedy of Janowa Valley - April 1943
8. Massacre in Lipniki - March 1943
8. Massacre in Lipniki - March 1943
10. The extermination of Jews in Chudnov - October 1941
11. Massacre in Dubno - October 1942
11. Massacre in Dubno - October 1942
13. Ethnic cleansing of Central and Western Ukraine at the beginning of the German occupation - 1941
14. Burning of Belarusian villages in the Polotsk region - March 1943
15. Slaughterhouse in a Polish monastery near the village of Podkamen - March 1944
16.Massacres and ethnic cleansing in the postwar years - 1945-53
This is not a complete list!
Few Bandera slaughtered Poles and Jews, since you quickly forgot everything.
And the cheap slogan: "business, nothing personal" will never work here !!!

[Arpad]

Quote: kapitan92

This is not a complete list!
Few Bandera slaughtered Poles and Jews, since you quickly forgot everything.
And the cheap slogan: "business, nothing personal" will never work here !!!

strange, for a couple of hundred years - Russians and Ukrainians were together, families, children, wars, the country - all together.
but as soon as they go not where the elder brother is pointing, everyone immediately turned into Bandera. and your blood enemies.
so you teach others how to behave with them.
And what, you didn’t think about this massacre before? Maybe Bandera's supporters appeared only yesterday?
But all this seemed to become outdated for many years, you lived with it remarkably.
And then, all of a sudden ... what has changed?
that before that Bandera and anti-Semites suited you?
deal with yourself, and then teach others.

[svp67]

At the same time, some military experts questioned the ability of Israeli specialists to carry out a high-quality and functional modernization of Soviet fighters.

Considering how many former "specialists" there are in Israel who designed and made these MiGs ... I would not be so sure of the failure of the modernization work. I am more interested in the question of price. Does Israel understand how much it will have to pay for this cooperation?

[Grazdanin]

Quote: svp67

Does Israel understand how much it will have to pay for this cooperation?

What will they pay? So far, only they are paid.

[svp67]

Quote: Grazdanin

What will they pay? So far, only they are paid.

Well, how to say, they also have where to "pour salt on the tail"

[Grazdanin]

And where? What will they get for this?

[svp67]

Quote: Grazdanin

And where? What will they get for this?

Well, their opponents, suddenly, will have more advanced weapons.

[Grazdanin]

Previously, this did not work, now even more so.

[svp67]

Quote: Grazdanin

Previously, this did not work, now even more so.

And no one says that this Israeli development will work, but that they are for us, then we can create problems for them ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Grazdanin

And where? What will they get for this?

Well, their opponents, suddenly, will have more advanced weapons.

Well, this is definitely not an argument. The Russian Federation does not limit itself at all in the sale of weapons in the BV. Giving has ceased already well.

[svp67]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The Russian Federation does not limit itself at all in the sale of weapons in the BV.

Let's just say, within the framework of certain agreements, with the same Israel. Do not remember how long Russia "dynamized" Syria with the S-300? And there are more examples.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The Russian Federation does not limit itself at all in the sale of weapons in the BV.

Let's just say, within the framework of certain agreements, with the same Israel. Do not remember how long Russia "dynamized" Syria with the S-300? And there are more examples.

Well, Israel seems to be selling something to Ukraine for the first time since 2009. During this time, the Russian Federation has sold billions of weapons to the Arabs and Iran.

[borberd]

Quote: svp67

Do not remember how long Russia "dynamized" Syria with the S-300?

Dynamila for a while. Not free ... And at the same time, Syria, with the tacit consent of the Russian Federation, was handing over "cornets" to Hezbollons.

[avib]

There are absolutely zero former specialists in Israel. Jews in the USSR were never allowed to do something even slightly "with admission".

[svp67]

Quote: avib

There are absolutely zero former specialists in Israel. Jews in the USSR were never allowed to do something even slightly "with admission".

Ha, ha ... don't be funny ..., yes, after the formation of Israel, they were treated with caution, but they were not banned en masse

[avib]

Israel was "formed" in 1948. Mig 29 - much later. Just as Jews were not taken from the end of the sixties to "serious" specialties in "serious" universities, they did not allow anything the slightest bit serious in the defense industry.

[outsider]

Who created the Soviet atomic bomb? Jews.
Who created the fastest Soviet MiG-25 fighter? - Jew.
Who created the fastest Soviet T-4 Sotka bomber? - Jew ...
All decades, despite the Stalinist anti-Semitic purges, despite a new round of state anti-Semitism in the USSR after the Six Day War, in all Soviet more or less costing design bureaus and research institutes "a Jew sat on a Jew and drove him to a Jew" ...

[AU Ivanov.]

Ioffe, Khariton, Zeldovich ... They didn't allow it, you say?

[avib]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

Ioffe, Khariton, Zeldovich ... They didn't allow it, you say?

Where is Ioffe, Khariton, Zeldovich and where is Mig 29? Not those times. Ioffe, Khariton, Zeldovich were already well-known scientists in the 60s. After a 6-day war, Jews were even no longer accepted to more or less serious universities. So the Jews did not take any military / defense secrets to Israel. There was nothing to take out.
Want a simple example? My father (gold medal at school, winner of republican and prize-winner of all-Union Olympiads in physics and mathematics) just at the end of the 60s from a small provincial town went to Moscow to enter MEPhI. I passed written mathematics with a grade of 5 (when entering a university in the USSR, if you remember, the written exam is anonymous). There were less than a dozen of such applicants who passed perfectly, and then the father passes oral mathematics at 2 - you can always fill up if you want, the fifth column. If anyone is interested in what anti-Semitism is in the USSR, this is it.
And my father graduated from the provincial polytechnic, of course with honors, but the country, in my opinion, has lost a good scientist.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: avib

After a 6-day war, Jews were even no longer accepted to more or less serious universities.

Come on, over there I had two senior Jewish teachers at the VVMU. This is in the early 90s ...

[forest1]

Zeldovich theorist. There is no need to admit it - the theoretician's weapons are calculators, pencils and paper and brains, of course. Could he really not have been allowed to reach the paper with pencils

[Dym71]

Quote: avib

Jews in the USSR were never allowed to do something even slightly "with admission".

Well, well, go on

[forest1]

Zeldovich theorist. He was admitted to textbooks on physics, to notebooks and pencils. Almost all of us here are admitted to the same. At one time he calculated on the basis of nuclear physics data about the fundamental possibility of creating a hydrogen bomb together with a Sakharov bomb. People who are well versed in nuclear physics can still do this using ordinary textbooks. By the way, Stalin then began to promote Sakharov. Although the main violin was Zeldovich. But Sakharov had a correct nationality.

[Grazdanin]

composer Jan Frenkel to verses by Inna Goff, performed by Joseph Kobzon, the song "Russian Field"

[Xenofont]

Oh, don't lie so brazenly! He worked in a research institute in the 80s with such admissions, Mom, do not worry, and there were many Jews in serious positions.

[Hexenmeister]

Considering how many former "specialists" are in Israel who designed and made these MiGs.

Considering that the MiG-29 has been in the army for almost 40 years, the youngest of the "former specialists" are already retired, and they will not determine the "face" of this modernization. In addition, since we are going to modernize the radar, we need more modern weapons, freshly painted R-27s are unlikely to fit this role.

[The leader of the Redskins]

The Jews have extensive experience in modernizing a variety of equipment. Both the former USSR and foreign samples. Moreover, everyone recognized that the modernization was successful.

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Moreover, everyone recognized that the modernization was successful.

No, not always ... And they have plenty of failures ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

Maybe unfinished projects? Those that passed in full always satisfied the operator.

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

e, that passed in full, the operator was always satisfied.

Well, yes, the Georgians were so happy in the 2008 war ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

It's strange that you remembered two (!) Modernized aircraft. Do you believe in miracles - weapons?
But for some reason they forgot about "ksirs", "Lavi" ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Moreover, everyone recognized that the modernization was successful.

No, not always ... And they have plenty of failures ...

I agree. It could not be otherwise.

[Avior]

It is Elbit who specializes in the modernization of old Soviet aircraft, not necessarily military

[loki565]

The Jews have extensive experience in modernizing a variety of equipment. Both the former USSR and foreign samples. Moreover, everyone recognized that the modernization was successful.

Tell this to the Georgians, otherwise they are going to write off their modernized Su 25)))

[Avior]

There are problems elsewhere
Spare parts and meaningless content after 2008 - they are meaningless against Russia
They say it directly
http://military-informant.com/analytic/gruziya-otkazalas-ot-shturmovikov-su-25.html

[tralflot1832]

And how much is Israel on the globe of Ukraine?

[loki565]

Considering how many former "specialists" there are in Israel who designed and made these MiGs ... I would not be so sure of the failure of the modernization work. I am more interested in the question of price. Does Israel understand how much it will have to pay for this cooperation?

The same office modernized the Su25 for Georgians, well, where are they now ???)))

[Grazdanin]

That which is dead cannot die.

[K-612-O]

By the way, the SMT program also began with Israel, but Migovtsy later decided to finish it themselves.
He smiled about the opportunity to work on the ground. 29th already knew how

[Iris]

Does Israel understand how much it will have to pay for this cooperation?

I would not attach too much importance to this event.
Considering that our Ministry of Defense is actively training regular officers from Palestinian militants, and not on a commercial basis, which would be at least logical, but on budgetary funds, the price issue may turn out to be a little not in our favor.

[Albert1988]

Quote: svp67

Considering how many former "specialists" there are in Israel who designed and made these MiGs ... I would not be so sure of the failure of the modernization work.

There is already one sad experience ... And it's not only and not so much in the specialists, but in the element base, which may not be so suitable that in the birdie you will have to replace ALL the filling, and this will be more expensive than buying a completely new car ...

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: svp67

which these MiGs designed and made ... I would not be so sure of the failure of the modernization work.

Modernization of the Romanian MiG-29 ended in zilch

[Grazdanin]

The Polish ones seem to have successfully modernized.

[Cyril G ...]

There modern radar did not touch as far as I remember -

The modernization included the installation of a new on-board computer, a navigation system, a MIL-STD-1553 data exchange bus, an access module for software for projectiles and missiles, an upgraded GPS system and new multifunctional screens. The aircraft were also fitted with a miniature camera on the right side of the cockpit, which helps identify intercepted aircraft.

[Grazdanin]

Yeah, so Israel has a suitable radar station with AFAR, maybe they didn't get the money, maybe they just didn't say about it.

[Cyril G ...]

This modern, which is mentioned above, cost 2.7 million bucks overboard. How much is a radar with AFAR with installation !!!? When developing a modernization program for the Su-27SM3, ours were even greedy to change Cassegrain to FAR Perot. Although we have 12 newly built Su-27SM3s. And serve them for 20-25 years more.

[Hexenmeister]

even change Cassegrain to FAR Perot

But the display units were installed, and this is immediately a "plus" to the generation number

[Cyril G ...]

It's fashionable ... By the way, they are modernizing the Su-30K in Baranovichi for Angola, they say, Pero was installed ...

[Hexenmeister]

They say they put the Pen ...

It seems to me that this is not the main thing, any modernization of "old" fighters should also be accompanied by an update of the list of weapons for a modern one, otherwise it will be like painting an old rusty fence, it looks fresh, but under the paint ...

[Cyril G ...]

The Su-27SM3 did it. The board began to work with the R-77, in addition it became possible to use guided weapons on the ground.

[Hexenmeister]

Guided weapons on the ground are understandable, which is good, but implementation in the R-77 unit for the late nineties would still be suitable, but how much time has passed since then, and they were not put into operation in the 90s.

[Cyril G ...]

R-77, let's say, at a sufficient level, isn't it?

[Hexenmeister]

The problem is the number of simultaneously attacked targets while maintaining vision.

[Cyril G ...]

So again we come to the conclusion that the problem is in the radar. Н-001 VP accompanies 10 targets and provides an attack of 2 targets. If we added FAR Perot during modernity, then 2 more targets would be added.

[Hexenmeister]

That's what we are talking about! But in fact they modernized it, but they did not reach the level corresponding to the time of publication. Only with this one "Pen" definitely would not have done, it would have been seriously necessary to change everything.

[Cyril G ...]

Let's do so, the Americans on the radar did seriously modernize the original 63 stations and went through a bunch of updates and eventually got AFAR. At the same time, not to say that the opportunities there have greatly increased. Modern is modern. The latest version of the 77rd did not reach the level of the 63th and the latest version of the 27rd ... On the Su-3x, in my opinion, with modernity, the CMXNUMX should have been equipped with Bars.

[Hexenmeister]

the original 63 stations went through a bunch of updates

You are all right, but these were several successive upgrades. And for the Su-27 with N-001, the whole stage that the Americans did was skipped! And to do the modernization of the level of a skipped stage, at a time when it has already been passed and forgotten, is not correct, unless you consider that at least something will be a little better.

[Cyril G ...]

I agree, and therefore it is clear and decisions have been made on the Su-27 - minimal modernity is at least somehow sufficient for a secondary theater of operations, the rest of the finance for the purchase of a new one.

[Dikson]

It's like at Avtovaz - reflectors and moldings are stuck - here is a new model of Zhiguli at a new price !!! ))

[Albert1988]

Quote: Dikson

It's like at Avtovaz - reflectors and moldings are stuck - here is a new model of Zhiguli at a new price !!! ))

Your data on AvtoVAZ products are a little outdated ... Just a little bit ... 15 years ...

[K-612-O]

And ours is not there, although I repeat, after 5 years our hassles finished themselves and SMT came out

[Pavel57]

It seems that one needs to spend, others master the money.

[voyaka uh]

Hornets F-18 would be suitable for Ukraine.
Americans write them off on the sly. But new ones are also being released. There are spare parts.
Airplane with cheap service. Reliable. Works on the ground
and can stand up for himself in air battles.
And the MiG-29 is good only for close air combat. Narrow specialization.

[Grazdanin]

Why not F16? Cheaper in operation, new ones can be ordered from Turkey, used a huge amount in the world.

[Cyril G ...]

The only sensible option for them, albeit with seamounts on the way.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Grazdanin

Why not F16? Cheaper in operation, new ones can be ordered from Turkey, used a huge amount in the world.

Not an option, absolutely - you will have to redo EVERYTHING - from pilot training programs to ground handling, there is a lot of money for that ...

[voyaka uh]

The F-16 requires very high quality service. And thorough training of pilots.
The F-16 is packed with sophisticated avionics. You can "squeeze" a lot out of it.
More than Hornet. But the costs will be much higher.

[Albert1988]

Quote: voyaka uh

The F-16 requires very high quality service. And thorough training of pilots.

We read - it requires a lot of pennies, which are dumb ...

[Grazdanin]

Do they have other options? They will not buy weapons in Russia in the next few decades.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Grazdanin

Do they have other options?

There is a realistic option - they will sit out on the old decaying Soviet, and what then nobody cares about, because they will grab and dump like a Rabbit)))

[loki565]

Hornets F-18 would be suitable for Ukraine.
Americans write them off on the sly. But new ones are also being released. There are spare parts.
Airplane with cheap service. Reliable. Works on the ground
and can stand up for himself in air battles.
And the MiG-29 is good only for close air combat. Narrow specialization.

I doubt that the Ukrainian infrastructure will suit them, but changing everything is expensive and time-consuming

[Grazdanin]

They still have to buy Western aircraft. American in terms of price / quality ratio are the best.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Grazdanin

American in terms of price / quality ratio are the best.

Next time write "sarcasm" after such statements ...

[Grazdanin]

What sarcasm? Previously, aircraft made in the USSR were competitors, now they choose other suppliers of fighters only for political reasons.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Grazdanin

What sarcasm? Previously, aircraft made in the USSR were competitors, now they choose other suppliers of fighters only for political reasons.

Are you kidding again?

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: voyaka uh

Airplane with cheap service. Reliable.

Ask the Poles how they liked the transition from Soviet cars to Western ones. Cheap and reliable - not the case, yes.

[K-612-O]

MiG 29 perfectly worked on the ground from the moment of birth, Nursy, Kaby, ur, everything was in the nomenclature

[Reserve buildbat]

The P-36 would be perfect for a Jew. There are machine guns, enough for executions of civilians, the speed is low, it is convenient to aim. Construction with "extensive use" of wood and fabric - low radar signature. Transplant Fighters under the fence

[Cristall]

Quote: voyaka uh

Airplane with cheap service

Flu is cheaper.
Moreover, a wagon. True, you need to take new ones there. But the Swedes offer options.
F 18 Ukraine was transferred from the reserve of Canada. Expensive - even with free shipping.
Everything around needs to be changed.
A moment is more expensive than Grippen in maintenance, but everything is already there. The entire infrastructure is geared towards Mig and Su.
But in the future, a small number of multifunctional aircraft will still have to be purchased.
Let the UAV bear the brunt.

[voyaka uh]

With Grippen, political problems will begin at the stage of sales.
Sweden does not like to sell weapons to potential war zones.
Such is their peaceful socialist government.
Like: "buy our weapons, but there is no need to fight! Let's live in peace"
Influenza itself is pretty good, though.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Cristall

But in the future, a small number of multifunctional aircraft will still have to be purchased.
Let the UAV bear the brunt.

And now a realistic option - military aviation in Ukraine is gradually ceasing to exist ... UAVs that are suitable only for beards in the desert to bomb even in Donbass will not make the difference ..

[Albert1988]

Quote: voyaka uh

Hornets F-18 would be suitable for Ukraine.
Americans write them off on the sly. But new ones are also being released. There are spare parts.

Ukriana has no money and technical capabilities to buy even old "hornets" ...
And how much will have to be added to pilot retraining ...

[muham]

Quote: voyaka uh

Hornets F-18 would be suitable for Ukraine.

That is why the Russian government will not oppose the project with the state of Israel.

[prior]

It is not the modernization itself that is important.
It is important to get money for upgrades and upgrades.
And the planes? Huh. That you sho ?!

[ultra]

Quote: avib

Jews in the USSR were never allowed to do something even slightly "with admission".

What do we smoke?

[avib]

Quote: ultra

Quote: avib

Jews in the USSR were never allowed to do something even slightly "with admission".

What do we smoke?

We don't smoke anything.
Well, refute. Only with facts.
By the way, does anyone really think that immigrants from the USSR were taken and admitted to something secret in Israel like that? A permit to enter Israel is not yet a certificate of security. The special services are on the alert.

[ultra]

and what has Israel to do with it?

[Hydrography Bay Golden Horn]

But Israel's avionics is one of the best

[Andylw]

Israeli avionics is excellent (much better than ours), if they still put their braos and afar, it will be cooler than our mig-35
But the price is too big for Ukraine - $ 40 million per plane

[Albert1988]

Quote: AndyLW

will be cooler than our MIG-35

And 3 times more expensive ...

[Reserve buildbat]

And on what basis do all and sundry people "modernize" Russian aircraft? Should we impose sanctions on Jews and the like? And skakuas simply cut off from Russia. The Iron Curtain on the border and the deportation of all "migrant workers" under threat of execution.

[Nikolaevich I]

Niht ferstein! MiG-29-Russian production ... to modernize these aircraft have the right to Russia and have permission from Russia! Well, okay "dupeloit" Banderlog ... but Israel signed international obligations to respect the rights of manufacturers and patent owners! What the hell, then?

[Cyril G ...]

Poles and Ukrainians quite officially announced their rejection of technical assistance to the Russian Federation in the military sphere ... So that the Poles do not fall, they are now exclusively their own evil Buratins

[Professor]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Niht ferstein! MiG-29-Russian production ... to modernize these aircraft have the right to Russia and have permission from Russia! Well, okay "dupeloit" Banderlog ... but Israel signed international obligations to respect the rights of manufacturers and patent owners! What the hell, then?

Shabbat Shalom. What patents? What are you talking about? This time.
What are the rights of producers in a non-existent country? These are two.
Airplanes are the property of Ukraine and she has the right to do with them whatever comes to her mind. Everything is legal. These are three.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: professor

Shabbat Shalom. What patents?

Gut shabes. Why mention patents? But there are copyright holders of "trade marks" ... and they are in Russia! This time

Quote: professor

What are the rights of producers in a non-existent country?

Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. For this she paid dearly ... It's two.

Quote: professor

Airplanes are the property of Ukraine and she has the right to do with them whatever comes to her mind.

Well, well ... your feedback is very important to us ... it might come in handy! We buy "Spikes", or something else Israeli ... we disassemble it to screws and microchips ... we study, produce ... maybe we add something ... we supply ... not even to ourselves, but to those who like us , but to whom we can not supply "Soviet Russo" ... And sho? Why not ? Bought ... it means ours! We do what we want! These are three.

[Professor]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Gut shabes. Why mention patents? But there are copyright holders of "trade marks" ... and they are in Russia! This time

Past. Israel does not manufacture aircraft under the MiG trademark. Israel is only modernizing them. It's like putting a radio tape recorder on a car. No manufacturer approval required. At most, the manufacturer will interrupt the warranty service.

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. For this she paid dearly ... It's two.

Again by. The USSR has 15 legal successors. For example, rights to territory, minerals, airspace, water resources, etc. Kirghiz SSR passed to Kirghizia, not RF. It would be another matter if 14 republics left the USSR, and the Russian Federation remained. But de jure and de facto, the Russian Federation collapsed the USSR on a par with Ukraine and Belarus. RF did not continue the Constitution of the USSR. She didn't even leave banknotes. The coat of arms, anthem, flag and ALL other attributes of statehood are different from the Soviet ones.

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Well, well ... your feedback is very important to us ... it might come in handy! We buy "Spikes", or something else Israeli ... we disassemble it to screws and microchips ... we study, produce ... maybe we add something ... we supply ... not even to ourselves, but to those who like us , but to whom we can not supply "Soviet Russo" ... And sho? Why not ? Bought ... it means ours! We do what we want! These are three.

Duc you are ALREADY doing it.

You can rip off the Spike design, but you cannot technologically reproduce it. Well, you yourself know.

[Reserve buildbat]

And the territory of the Jew is the property of the Arab states. Which UN? You spit on her decisions, it's time to spit on you

[Cristall]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

MiG-29-Russian production

they have a Soviet

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Russia has the right to modernize these aircraft and have permission from Russia

not necessary. The military can do whatever they want to do.
This is what transporters need for cargo abroad. Ana and the civilian Eli need it.

[Uncle Izya]

Where will they get the engines?

[Dikson]

Another "partnership without borders" ..? There are so many righteously indignant here .. Has the money for the release of the Kalashnikovs already been collected from all over the world? Ukraine is a sovereign state, be that as it may, and it decides for itself what to spend money on .. They can order modernization for the Cote Divoire republic too .. why are you indignant? Judge for yourself, how will they order modernization from us, if we are officially an aggressor country for them? And with Israel, what they have, what we have is peace, friendship and chewing gum .. What spare parts our Rosoboronexport will sell to Israelis for modifying Ukrainian Migs - no one will ever tell you. So there is no cause for concern. People make money. Don't bother them ...)

[Professor]

Quote: Dikson

Has the money for the release of the Kalashnikovs already been collected from all over the world?

Why on earth? Kalashnikov was not patented, but if it was, the patent expired in the late 1960s.

[Dikson]

Professor .. what are we talking about ... first to profuse everything .. and then be indignant and indignant .. Unfortunately, this is our reality ..

[Dysindich]

After modernization, it will no longer be a MIG. (The same happened with the Su-25) What happens, we'll see. But hardly anything worthwhile. However, in the conditions of modern Ukraine, this is an option from the category, something is better than nothing.

[Good forester]

And this hang glider will be called not for a moment, but ukriz-129.

[Python 57]

And how many weapons did the Russians supply to the Arabs? Forgot ?

[muham]

Quote: Python 57

And how many weapons did the Russians supply to the Arabs? Forgot ?

You did not understand the main thing, they gave the Arabs and here for money.

[Dzafdet]

Electronics will be replaced, and where will they get the engines? or they have not developed a resource?

[Cyril G ...]

They had some kind of stock of engines in the repair fund. The total resource of RD-33 thousand 4 hours.
The Air Force flew little. The self-drilled colonel on the Su-27 has flown 20 hours over 500 years of service. So they can really stretch out for 10-15 years on the stocks they have, and then you will see that Ukraine, as it were, and the Air Force do not make sense ... SAM, a simple truth of the type C-125U. But I'm the one grinning viciously. But in reality, if there is the will and money of the air defense missile system based on the R-27 air missile, they will make it. Fortunately, there is reason to believe that this complex performed by the Ukrainians is fighting the Houthis. And a bunch of hit targets are already there.

[muham]

Quote: Dzafdet

Electronics will be replaced, and where will they get the engines? or they have not developed a resource?

Russia will sell it, otherwise there will be F-18 or 16. which is better?

[Dzafdet]

Quote: professor

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Niht ferstein! MiG-29-Russian production ... to modernize these aircraft have the right to Russia and have permission from Russia! Well, okay "dupeloit" Banderlog ... but Israel signed international obligations to respect the rights of manufacturers and patent owners! What the hell, then?

Shabbat Shalom. What patents? What are you talking about? This time.
What are the rights of producers in a non-existent country? These are two.
Airplanes are the property of Ukraine and she has the right to do with them whatever comes to her mind. Everything is legal. These are three.

Which non-existent country? THE USSR ?
https://vk.com/club98173134?z=photo-98173134_457245886%2Falbum-98173134_00%2Frev

[Professor]

Quote: Dzafdet

Quote: professor

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Niht ferstein! MiG-29-Russian production ... to modernize these aircraft have the right to Russia and have permission from Russia! Well, okay "dupeloit" Banderlog ... but Israel signed international obligations to respect the rights of manufacturers and patent owners! What the hell, then?

Shabbat Shalom. What patents? What are you talking about? This time.
What are the rights of producers in a non-existent country? These are two.
Airplanes are the property of Ukraine and she has the right to do with them whatever comes to her mind. Everything is legal. These are three.

Which non-existent country? THE USSR ?
https://vk.com/club98173134?z=photo-98173134_457245886%2Falbum-98173134_00%2Frev

Uh-huh. It has been gone for almost 30 years.

[muham]

Quote: professor

Uh-huh. It has been gone for almost 30 years.

And Ukraine was not part of it? And therefore it has the right?

[Professor]

Quote: muham

Quote: professor

Uh-huh. It has been gone for almost 30 years.

And Ukraine was not part of it? And therefore it has the right?

The USSR has 16 successors left. Ukraine is one of them.

[muham]

Quote: professor

Quote: muham

Quote: professor

Uh-huh. It has been gone for almost 30 years.

And Ukraine was not part of it? And therefore it has the right?

The USSR has 16 successors left. Ukraine is one of them.

QED

[Professor]

Typo. Not "16", but "15".

[Vasyan1971]

Earlier, Elbit Systems, together with German specialists, has already tried to modernize the MiG-29 in Romania under the Sniper program. As a result, this program did not have development and success, and all the modernized MiG-29s were removed from service.

But the Israelis "mastered" denyuzhka? So the main goal has been achieved.

[Viktor Sergeev]

It can be seen with the Jews it is better to modernize, half of the money is for modernization, the second is divided.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: professor

Did you attend this? Maybe you were the organizer of the demonstrations under the slogan "Peace in exchange for territories"? Arrange an educational program for you, my not a young foe?

Not at all ...

In 1978, at the summit in Camp David (USA), a preliminary agreement was concluded, and in 1979 in Washington, Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat signed a peace treaty between Israel and Egypt.

I'm not that young ...

[APASUS]

Israel can change avionics, install a radar and a new sighting system, but it will not add a resource to the machines that are the youngest in 25 years

[iouris]

Quote: "... some military experts have questioned the ability of Israeli specialists to carry out a high-quality and functional modernization of Soviet fighters." End of quote.
Experts, please report how many KB employees have emigrated?

[outsider]

At the same time, some military experts questioned the ability of Israeli specialists to carry out a high-quality and functional modernization of Soviet fighters.

- Funny people! "Questioned" ...
http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig212.html

[paco.soto]

Neutral opinion: if I read the forum, this is how the "Israelis" took the battle and won with a devastating score against the "anti-Israelites".

[Vladimir Rostovsky]

I read the comments of the Israelis - very interesting thoughts that make you think and rethink something for yourself, a lot of things can be learned for general development and everything culturally without becoming personal. I read their opponents - hurray patriotism from all cracks, the transition to personalities, xenophobia, hatred, calls for violence, etc. etc. You guys look ridiculous!

[paco.soto]

think and rethink something for yourself, a lot of things can be learned for general development and everything culturally without becoming personal. I read their opponents - hurray ©
As-once this and ya took into account when reading the forum. And he called the discussion a battle - on youth.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: paco.soto

Neutral opinion: if I read the forum, this is how the "Israelis" took the battle and won with a devastating score against the "anti-Israelites".

And this is because it is very hot in Israel and there are no HATS!

[Shahno]

Quote: Outsider

Does the ILO (of which Israel is a member) know that there is a 12-hour working day in Israel, or are these your personal fantasies my young "friend"?

- All repatriates know this - most went through it in the first years of their life in Israel.

Yes, most of the poor repatriates (well, except for those I know in Herzliya Pituach) worked most of the day for the first year or two after the move. A kind of "cannon fodder", someone stayed there. This is the price of an admission ticket to "paradise" ... or not to "paradise".

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Shahno

Yes, most of the poor immigrants

Have you met wealthy immigrants in 1990? All the wealth of $ 100 per person and any garbage that was brought it seemed that we could not live without it. Yes, I had to work for 10-12 hours. But it paid off, a year later he bought both an apartment and a car. And very quickly I began to work for 8 hours and today I live a normal life, like an ordinary average citizen of Israel.

[surf dude]

Nice contract, monetary. There is experience in modernization, resources are there, why not earn a little? And note - make money, do not cut, steal, roll back, etc.

[5-9]

New radar and weapons? For only 11 aircraft? Only a ready-made solution, probably, those are the Romanian unfortunate option .... The Urinians once again confirm that an intelligent person cannot be a Urinian!
Although there is no money for this and will not be ..

[good]

well done Jews :)
will work, and then the planes will write off and all or they will write off themselves :)

[Dzafdet]

Quote: professor

Quote: Lara Croft

Does the ILO (of which Israel is a member) know that there is a 12-hour working day in Israel, or are these your personal fantasies my young "friend"?

Google next time and you won't look so silly.
https://pravo.israelinfo.co.il/answers/usl/78234
Question
What is the norm for hours with an irregular working day? What does irregular working hours mean in Israel?

Response
With a 5-day working week, the working day is 8.6 hours (8 hours 36 minutes), the working week = 43 hours; with a 6-day working week, the working day is 8 hours, the working week = 45 hours; per month - rate of 186 hours. The work shift can be 9 hours if the employee has used the break for at least 24 minutes, but not more than 12 hours.
All hours above the specified hours are overtime hours. Paid: the first 2 hours - 125%, the next - 150%, no more than 4 additional hours.
In total, they work 12 hours a day .. In hi-tech, even more. There, as a rule, the payment is not hourly, but global.

Quote: Lara Croft

He was urged to do this ... and the eternal "kindness" of Israeli Jews has nothing to do with ...

Did you attend this? Maybe you were the organizer of the demonstrations under the slogan "Peace in exchange for territories"? Arrange an educational program for you, my not a young foe?

Two revolutions that you staged are enough for us. and now everything is in the hands of the Jews. I think the abscess will soon burst and a large group of gentlemen will flee to Israel. The couple have already escaped ...

[Lekz]

Maybe Iran also has something in need of modernization. It is worth helping to "work the land".