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Ukraine is modernizing its MiG-29 fighters with Israel's help

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Ukraine is modernizing its MiG-29 fighters with Israel's help

Israel will modernize the Ukrainian MiG-29 fighters. According to the Defense Express portal with reference to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the Israeli company Elbit Systems has received documents from Jerusalem allowing modernization of Ukrainian aircraft.


As the newspaper writes, the need for an Israeli company to obtain permits is caused by the need to take into account the requirements of the Ukrainian side on the technological component of aircraft modernization. The documents spell out the peculiarities of the interaction of the parties, as well as the compatibility of various fighter systems, and those responsible for their integration.

Nothing is reported about the modernization itself, the portal writes that the improvements will make it possible "to make a qualitative leap in increasing the combat capabilities of the MiG-29." In particular, the fighter should receive a new radar and weapons control system that would allow "work on the ground."

Ukraine's intention to modernize 11 MiG-29 fighters was announced at the end of last summer. It was immediately emphasized that the work would be carried out by specialists from the Israeli company Elbit Systems. At the same time, it was argued that the modernized fighters would receive fundamentally new capabilities and the latest weapons for conducting air combat.

At the same time, some military experts questioned the ability of Israeli specialists to carry out a high-quality and functional modernization of Soviet fighters. Earlier, Elbit Systems, together with German specialists, has already tried to modernize the MiG-29 in Romania under the Sniper program. As a result, this program did not have development and success, and all the modernized MiG-29s were removed from service.

However, wait and see how the fate of the Ukrainian modernized fighters will develop.
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  1. Kuz
    Kuz 31 July 2020 16: 02
    11
    They are preparing for Donbass. Oh well...
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 31 July 2020 18: 40
        0
        Quote: Maz
        Jewish creatures.

        And there is nothing more to answer!
      2. Professor
        Professor 31 July 2020 18: 56
        20 th
        Quote: Maz
        Israel has a "good" track record: Georgia - technology and military experts, the result? Georgians killed Russians, Azeybarjan - modernization of equipment, UAVs, Orthodox Armenia and a bunch of Russians living there under sights ,, Is Ukraine now to kill Russian people from these planes again? Now, So that the Sumerians kill the Russians. Shaw and talk, partners, damn it. A couple of such partners and enemies do not need. Why should I love you Aronchik? Zeevchik, Krasnodarchik, Voyakchik, professor and others with "non-comrades"? Today my sister's husband died in Donetsk; he was fifteen years younger than me. He spent the entire war in the basement, getting water from puddles. He sent his children and wife to Crimea. and then neither war nor peace. Shelling. Nightmares. The heart could not stand it. Do not be offended guys, now it's personal. As one Jew said, they say I am not from Israel. Don't confuse me with them. Jewish creatures. forgive me moderator.

        Interested in "a bunch of Russians living in Armenia"? You confused with Bat Yam. There are practically no Russians left in Armenia for a long time. In my native Gyumri, out of 4 Russian schools, only one remained, and that one was in a military town.

        And you outlived your sister's husband by 15 years thanks to the Israeli medicine, the services of which you use for free out of the kindness of our soul.

        Georgians did not invade Russia, but fought on their own land and for their land.

        In Azerbaijan, which is actively arming Israel, there are many more Russians than in Armenia. And how many Russians live in Ukraine ...

        So take it easy.

        PS
        Is your daughter still among the Jews? Is her Haver Moroccan or Arab? And what did you think about when you took her out of Ukraine to Israel? fool

        PPS
        Elbit has a rich and successful experience in upgrading Soviet technology. So if the news is not fake, then Ukraine will have combat-ready aircraft.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 20: 20
          21
          Quote: Professor
          Georgians did not invade Russia, but fought on their own land and for their land.

          Oops! So the land is not Georgian. And Abkhazian and Ossetian. If the Georgians happily used the right to self-determination of the people to leave the USSR, they had to be at least completely consistent and recognize the right to self-determination of peoples within Georgia and build a state based on the principles of mutual respect. However, the Georgians wanted to build their own mini-empire and simultaneously carry out Georgianization to unify the population. On what and burned.
          1. Professor
            Professor 31 July 2020 20: 27
            23 th
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Quote: Professor
            Georgians did not invade Russia, but fought on their own land and for their land.

            Oops! So the land is not Georgian. And Abkhazian and Ossetian. If the Georgians happily used the right to self-determination of the people to leave the USSR, they had to be at least completely consistent and recognize the right to self-determination of peoples within Georgia and build a state based on the principles of mutual respect. However, the Georgians wanted to build their own mini-empire and simultaneously carry out Georgianization to unify the population. On what and burned.

            Well yes. In the UN, however, they do not agree with your point of view and do not recognize the separatists. They are stupid to this day believe that this is George. lol
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 31 July 2020 20: 48
              +5
              while it is necessary to cook apple jam, then let's see who will glorify their country, not in the past tense.

              The UN can be rebuilt in the barracks of any country, DO NOT AGREE YET TO WHOM TO GIVE RIGHT
            2. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 20: 56
              13
              Quote: Professor
              They are stupid people still think


              And what to take from them? People who piously profess double standards do not have the right to vote. Why do you deny what is sacred? The right of peoples to self-determination? And then it turns out as something strange here I see, here I do not see and there the fish was wrapped.
              The principles applied by the UN, as a minimum, should not have a double interpretation and special cases ..... In fact, the separatists Georgians were destroying the USSR, for some reason they are not happy that they are being destroyed by the separatists Abkhaz and Ossetians. I'm surprised. Don't you?
              1. Professor
                Professor 1 August 2020 08: 37
                +3
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Why do you deny what is sacred? The right of peoples to self-determination?

                In no case. However, your constitution denies such a right. Moreover, your Criminal Code severely punishes the calls of nations for self-determination.

                Quote: Cyril G ...
                The principles applied by the UN, as a minimum, should not have a double interpretation and special cases ..... In fact, the separatists Georgians were destroying the USSR, for some reason they are not happy that they are being destroyed by the separatists Abkhaz and Ossetians. I'm surprised. Don't you?

                By replacing "Georgia" with "Russia" and "Ossetians" with "Chechens" you will put yourself in a dead end.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 4 August 2020 20: 04
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  By replacing "Georgia" with "Russia" and "Ossetians" with "Chechens" you will put yourself in a dead end.


                  No professor in a dead end, you will drive yourself and look extremely stupid there. Why do you ask?
                  I will gladly tell you.
                  So the collapse of the USSR begins. The Georgians say that they say they have the right under the constitution. That's right - there is. Break off. At the same moment what happens? Ossetians and Abkhazians also declare that they have the right too, because they have devils. The first war begins in which the Georgians, by tradition, have already been hung up ...

                  And the wild cry and moan deaf
                  Rushed deep into the valley -
                  The battle did not last long:
                  Timid Georgians fled!

                  ...............................
                  Dashing horse, you are lord
                  Taken out of battle like an arrow
                  But the evil bullet Ossetian
                  He caught up in the darkness!


                  Quote: Professor
                  Replacing "Georgy" with "Russia" and "Ossetians" with "Chechens"


                  Cannot be replaced from the word at all. For in 1993 a new constitution was adopted in which the phrase "On the Right of Nations" was immediately eliminated. So at the time of the collapse of the USSR, the Abkhaz had the right to demand the above right. And the war in Chechnya began at the end of 1994.
            3. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 31 July 2020 21: 22
              +6
              Quote: Professor
              Well yes. In the UN, however, they do not agree with your point of view and do not recognize the separatists. They are stupid to this day believe that this is George.

              Professor about the war in South Ossetia, the truth still leaked in the Western media sometimes.
              http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281990.stm
            4. akarfoxhound
              akarfoxhound 31 July 2020 21: 54
              +5
              Now "your" hi The UN will approve or approve of everything that is across Russia, including the bombing of a sovereign state for its own state for the democratic benefit. Now, if suddenly any region would "cheer up" in disconnecting from the Russian Federation, you would in your UN, for the most part, squeal with pleasure in the general approval of self-determination. With the same, similar theme in the mattress satellite - nizya, panimash separatism, especially when the separating pro-Russian are tuned in.
            5. lopvlad
              lopvlad 31 July 2020 23: 29
              0
              Quote: Professor
              In the UN, however, they do not agree with your point of view and do not recognize the separatists.


              made fun of.
            6. KCA
              KCA 1 August 2020 06: 43
              0
              But the UN, as it were, does not notice the actual occupation of Adjara by Turkey, without a war, however, financially, in Batum, the names of streets are already written in Turkish
          2. Zeev zeev
            Zeev zeev 31 July 2020 21: 39
            -4
            Chechnya also seceded from the Russian Federation. Based on the referendum, which is interesting.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 21: 42
              +6
              So the Russians did not seem to be eager to destroy the USSR and did not drown for it. So you missed again. It was about something else. Why are the separatists Georgians so terribly dissatisfied that they were destroyed by the separatists Abkhaz and Ossetians.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 1 August 2020 08: 39
                +4
                Who destroyed the USSR? Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian .... the rest were presented with a fact.
            2. lopvlad
              lopvlad 31 July 2020 23: 31
              +3
              Quote: ZeevZeev
              Chechnya also seceded from the Russian Federation.


              and in 2003, on the basis of a referendum with more than 80% of the ZA, it again became part of Russia.
              1. Zeev zeev
                Zeev zeev 1 August 2020 06: 37
                +3
                Why, they wouldn't agree after two wars.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 1 August 2020 08: 41
                  +3
                  One way or another, Chechnya became part of the Russian Federation back. Go and see how it is now. It should be noted that in 94 and 2001 Ukrainian militants were actively present there ...
                  1. Arpad
                    Arpad 1 August 2020 08: 58
                    +2
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    One way or another, Chechnya became part of the Russian Federation back

                    anyway ?
                    And what about the right of nations to self-determination?
                    i.e. Ossetians - gut, Chechens - not gut.
                    And what about the Tatars?
                    February 7, 1992 Tatar SSR - the Republic of Tatarstan was renamed into the Republic of Tatarstan [5], which was not consistent with the Constitution of the RSFSR before May 16, 1992 [6] (--- (Donbass does not remind? - my question ). On March 21, 1992, a referendum on the status of the Republic of Tatarstan was held. To the question: "Do you agree that the Republic of Tatarstan is a sovereign state, a subject of international law, building its relations with the Russian Federation and other republics, states on the basis of equal treaties?" aboutanswered positively by 61.4% of voters[7].

                    22 May was adopted by the Supreme Council on the status of Tatarstan as a sovereign state.

                    On November 30, 1992, a new Constitution of the Republic of Tatarstan is introduced, declaring it a sovereign state[9].

                    That this referendum in Tatarstan on self-determination, the most humane supreme court in the world, did not admit
                    On April 19, 2001, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation recognized the provisions on the sovereignty of Tatarstan as inconsistent with the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

                    Double standarts ????
                    Nah.
                    wink
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 1 August 2020 09: 04
                      0
                      Standard one: The USSR collapsed. Communist idiology disappeared and national and religious tensions began on the remnants of the USSR. Some republics have collapsed, some have not collapsed. The RF Armed Forces did not arrange ethnic cleansing in Chechnya, the Chechens were quietly doing business throughout the RF. They suppressed those who resisted, cut the money for which the REVOLUTIONARY resisted. They gave power to the Chechens themselves .... They also do business throughout the Russian Federation.
                      Weak countries do not live independently and no one guarantees their integrity. In any case, there will be someone's protectorate and this protectorate may not suit the neighboring state.
                      1. Arpad
                        Arpad 1 August 2020 11: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        Standard one: The USSR collapsed. Communist idiology disappeared and national and religious tensions began on the remnants of the USSR.

                        Well, in your opinion, they have the right to do so, within the framework of self-determination.
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        The RF Armed Forces did not arrange ethnic cleansing in Chechnya, the Chechens were quietly doing business throughout the RF. Suppressed those who resisted, cut the money for which the REVOLUTIONARY resisted

                        and Tatrstan?
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        Weak countries do not live independently and no one guarantees their integrity

                        and who do you refer to weak countries and in general, what do you care about this?
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        In any case, there will be someone's protectorate and this protectorate may not suit the neighboring state.

                        And?
                        that is, a state that does not like the decision of an independent country has the right to act with its neighbor as it pleases.
                        Interesting. Then why are you pulling on amers?
                      2. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 1 August 2020 11: 32
                        0
                        Not. Whoever was able to separate, separated. Was Kosovo able to separate itself from the Serbs without NATO? Can some people help the rebels and others not? Note - the Russian Federation's neighbor was not bombed throughout the territory ...
                      3. Arpad
                        Arpad 1 August 2020 11: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        Not. Whoever was able to separate, separated.

                        Tatrstan and Chechnya failed.

                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        Was Kosovo able to separate itself from the Serbs without NATO?


                        And Ossetia, Abkhazia and the LPR did.
                        They were helped.
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        Can some people help the rebels and others not?

                        of course you can, but what about the proverb about a speck and a log?
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        Note that the Russian Federation's neighbor was not bombed throughout the territory.

                        I don't quite understand what you mean.
                        if Russia bombed neighboring countries.
                        Firstly - yes, and secondly - it is necessary to bomb 7 You can, after all, fire with artillery, enter ichtamnets, etc., etc.
                      4. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 1 August 2020 11: 46
                        0
                        Yes, someone could, and who could not. This applies to all countries. But first of all, those countries suffer where power is weak. And by the way, nobody forced Georgia to kill peacekeepers. And no one forced Ukraine to make a revolution and question the presence of the fleet in Crimea.
                      5. good
                        good 1 August 2020 13: 46
                        0
                        Just don't drive a blizzard
                        All national autonomies within Russia were in a privileged position, even under tsars and emperors, as soon as they became subjects,
                        even the peasants were not serfs
                        And after 1917, even more so
                        Everyone has their own language, their own schools, their own traditions, their own religion, their own culture
                        self-determine as you want, no one forbids
                        Many writings did not have normal or did not have their own at all.
                        And he did not exterminate anyone like in North America for the sake of land, did not move on the reservation and did not replace with blacks
                        Look at the history of France or Germany, they didn’t take a steam bath, everyone who was against was soaked and replaced.
                        The Germans stupidly deduced the Slavs and Prussians as a species, France became unitary with the help of a sword, Spain too.
                        Who is stronger is right, alas.
                        Those who wanted to lose their subjectivity have already lost, allegedly fighting the Russian threat and self-determining, a small state always has to make a choice either to be on an equal footing with Russia or in Russia, or to lie under Russia's enemies. Alas, no options. Only they are stupid and think they will be allowed on equal terms in Europe or somewhere else.
                        And big Russia has no alternative, it falls to us to disappear along with everyone who makes up this country and we have to survive at any cost, so it's better not to fall under the arm.
                      6. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 2 August 2020 08: 55
                        0
                        No need to drive a blizzard ... minorities .... specifically the Caucasus was oppressed under the tsarist regime and expelled from their places of residence. Among the peoples of the Caucasus, the revolution was greeted very warmly and it was the Soviet government that gave some rights, alphabet and some kind of development to small nations. They did not differ much from the position of the Indians and did not differ under the King.
                      7. good
                        good 3 August 2020 10: 05
                        0
                        The wild division (90% consisted of Muslim volunteers of the Caucasus of various nationalities) of 1914 was apparently already forgotten and the Bashkir cavalry in Paris back in 1814
                        They had to fight in the Caucasus with those who threatened security and the loss of communication with the Caucasus and the Georgian lands that entered the empire, and the Turks and the Persians there stirred up the British, too.
                        And after the defeat of the imamat Shamil and his family were not executed, but gave him all the privileges and released him on the Hajj.

                        Everything has always been and is now simple, self-define as you want, just not against Russia. Sooner or later Russia will have to react to threats, it is much easier and more useful not to be enemies.
                      8. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 3 August 2020 10: 14
                        0
                        Yes. Attracted ... and that's it.
  • Lekz
    Lekz 2 August 2020 14: 38
    0
    You were deceived, there was no referendum. From the word at all. There was a vote of some rabble on the topic of a "congress of the Chechen people." We have such "congresses" at every entrance and everyone strives to speak on behalf of the Russian people. Some even single-handedly strive to present the people.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 3 August 2020 10: 15
      0
      The people of the USSR, generally voted with the union treaty and the preservation of the USSR
      1. Lekz
        Lekz 7 August 2020 17: 36
        +1
        The All-Union referendum on the preservation of the USSR was held on March 17, 1991. 76,43% of 79,5% of those who had the right to vote voted for the preservation of the USSR.
  • Sailor
    Sailor 1 August 2020 03: 41
    -2
    And this is your whole essence rotten.
  • Glenni
    Glenni 31 July 2020 19: 09
    +2
    Who is to blame for you?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 1 August 2020 11: 35
      0
      Always guilty myself. The USSR itself is to blame for its disintegration, Ukraine itself is to blame for its own. The Russian Federation itself organized the independence of Chechnya and fought against it with great blood.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 31 July 2020 20: 30
    -6
    Quote: Maz
    Israel has a "good" track record: Georgia - technology and military experts, the result? Georgians killed Russians, Azeybarjan - modernization of equipment, UAVs, Orthodox Armenia and a bunch of Russians living there under sights ,, Is Ukraine now to kill Russian people from these planes again? Now, So that the Sumerians kill the Russians. Shaw and talk, partners, damn it. A couple of such partners and enemies do not need. Why should I love you Aronchik? Zeevchik, Krasnodarchik, Voyakchik, professor and others with "non-comrades"? Today my sister's husband died in Donetsk; he was fifteen years younger than me. He spent the entire war in the basement, getting water from puddles. He sent his children and wife to Crimea. and then neither war nor peace. Shelling. Nightmares. The heart could not stand it. Do not be offended guys, now it's personal. As one Jew said, they say I am not from Israel. Don't confuse me with them. Jewish creatures. forgive me moderator.

    Yes, Maz, sausage you are not sickly!
    Well, well, you our sufferer, are you toiling in a foreign land?
    Why are you tormenting yourself so, poor thing?
    Also, sit, I suppose, in the basement, you get water from puddles?
    Why don't you flee from the Jewish captivity at breakneck speed?
    Eh?
    And, of course, money from creatures of the Jews are doing well. How could it be without them?
    Do they not burn the pens? Doesn't burn.
    Is there enough for bread, even with butter? Enough.
    The Promised Land has seen many and will survive one more.
    L-rd be your judge. hi
  • paco.soto
    paco.soto 31 July 2020 22: 38
    +5
    my sister's husband died in Donetsk, he was fifteen years younger than me ©
    My human condolences to you.
  • indy424
    indy424 31 July 2020 23: 32
    +1
    they don't take offense at the poor, maz. the main thing is that your head does not burst from righteous anger. wear a fur zipper on the shoulder strap, if of course you find it among the Jewish creatures in the country
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    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 1 August 2020 01: 08
      -8
      In the early 1950s, when the Zionists betrayed humanity and began to drown for the FSA and the West themselves equated themselves with terrorists, and any supply of weapons to their enemies was completely logical and correct.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 1 August 2020 08: 42
      -1
      Which enemies of Israel is Russia supplying tons of weapons?
      1. Outsider
        Outsider 2 August 2020 01: 52
        0
        - Syria. Iran. Hezbollah.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 2 August 2020 08: 47
          0
          Iran has long been producing weapons itself, which it supplies to its allies. And the last S-300 was installed, to say that it threatens Israel from the territory of Iran, which has no common borders with Israel ...
          Syria is not an independent state, but with weapons from the Russian Federation they destroyed the militants who were supplied with weapons and medicines by Israel as well. Forgive us.
          Israel, for example, has modernized tanks and other weapons in Georgia. For instance. They shot at peaceful peacekeepers from the Russian Federation and killed them.
          1. Outsider
            Outsider 3 August 2020 12: 27
            0
            - Thousands of Jews in Israel over the past 60 years have been killed precisely with weapons made in the USSR and supplied to the Arabs. Killed under the leadership of Soviet military specialists.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 3 August 2020 14: 58
              0
              Look for the roots of this evil in the struggle for independence and in a quarrel with Comrade. Stalin.
              Which, in the same way, recognized Israel itself as a state ...... and allocated you the Jewish Autonomous Region ..... which no country in the world has done.
              1. Outsider
                Outsider 3 August 2020 15: 16
                0
                - And where did Stalin allocate the Jewish Autonomous Region to the Jews ?! In Crimea? (Which would become a new California for the USSR). He singled out the Jewish Autonomous Region in the Magadan region! lol Imagine that Stalin would give the Circassians the Circassian Autonomous District on the Kolyma River? Would you like it as a Circassian? Would it seem correct and fair? Why not in Yakutia? Or not in Chukotka ?!
                Comrade Stalin had a very peculiar sense of black humor ...
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 3 August 2020 15: 25
                  0
                  I repeat the question: what other country or people allocated a whole subject to the Jews (can you give statistics for the last 4000 years)? With national language, etc. We, as Circassians, were scattered - in the Russian Federation into 3 regions (Adygea, Karachay-Cherkessia, Kabardino-Balkaria and Krasnodar Territory) ... and on the road Israel, Turkey, Jordan, Syria, Kosovo. On the contrary, we were scattered (no more than three)
                  1. Outsider
                    Outsider 3 August 2020 16: 00
                    0
                    - Yes, it was not a "subject", but a place of exile for the Trotskyists- Stalin considered all Jews to be Trotskyists - and was preparing to destroy them all in 1953. Thanks to Comrade Beria for my happy life, that he poisoned him on time! Out of selfish interests, of course, but still - thanks! lol
                    The JAO would become a "subject" in Crimea - and this would be the most prosperous region of the Soviet Union in its entire history! Such a "Soviet Israel in miniature", Soviet and socialist.
                    But for the proposal to move the Jewish Autonomous Region there, even Molotov's wife thundered for 5 years in the camps! And the whole Jewish anti-fascist committee was simply destroyed. belay repeat
                    https://www.yadvashem.org/ru/education/educational-materials/learning-environments/families/additional-materials/jac.html
                  2. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 3 August 2020 20: 04
                    0
                    Now it is still a subject ...
                  3. Outsider
                    Outsider 3 August 2020 22: 31
                    0
                    - And who the hell needs it ?? There were Jews there 10 years ago (from memory) ~ 1% (one percent) - what is this "Jewish" autonomous region ?? It has long been anything but Jewish ... The place has become vacant, can you write a letter to Putin and ask him to set up a ChAO, the Circassian Autonomous Region, in this place? Since the ungrateful Jews dumped everything from there ... wink lol
                  4. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 3 August 2020 23: 04
                    0
                    They won't settle us compactly ...
                  5. Outsider
                    Outsider 4 August 2020 00: 59
                    0
                    - What is so terrible and dangerous about you for the government? Which is not even afraid of Chechens? wink lol
  • Bar1
    Bar1 31 July 2020 18: 09
    +5
    I wonder how the Jews know how to upgrade someone else's plane? Adapt another radar, but figure out how to use non-native bombs ?!
    Is there a leak of information on the aircraft documentation?
    1. NIKN
      NIKN 31 July 2020 18: 32
      +7
      They already have experience and not bad.

      MiG-21 93 modified in Israel for Romania
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 31 July 2020 18: 44
        0
        Quote: NIKNN
        They already have experience and not bad.

        What they have, what the Merikos, Always sounds: We are the first and we can! Yes, steal and appropriate! They can ...!
    2. Outsider
      Outsider 31 July 2020 23: 54
      0
      I wonder how the Jews know how to upgrade someone else's plane?

      - These Jews - they are such Jews! They know a lot ... laughing lol
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 1 August 2020 08: 43
      0
      The Turks are perfectly modernizing the Mi-8, the Americans immediately equipped all the Mi17 supplied with their own avionics.
    4. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 1 August 2020 10: 34
      +1
      Quote: Bar1
      I wonder how the Jews know how to upgrade someone else's plane? Adapt another radar, but figure out how to use non-native bombs ?!
      Is there a leak of information on the aircraft documentation?

      of course have.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 31 July 2020 23: 08
    +2
    Quote: Kuz
    They are preparing for Donbass. Oh well...

    There are two points in this situation: the first is that the modernization of MIGs by Ukrainians has not yet led to anything good, except for the loss of pilots and equipment. Secondly, today, I suppose, if they rock the Donbas from above, I would not be surprised if "unexpectedly" TOPs and Knights may appear there.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 1 August 2020 09: 13
      0
      Some TOP already shot down a Tochka-U missile in Donbas ... there was a report on TV.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 31 July 2020 16: 03
    +8
    Oh yes, the Jews will rip off the last skin from non-brothers)
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 16: 05
      +6
      Yes, and they will strip off the skin and cut off the bacon ...
    2. loki565
      loki565 31 July 2020 16: 30
      +8
      They have already modernized the Su25 for the Georgians, so they are going to write them off)))
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 1 August 2020 08: 44
        +3
        They write them off for the uselessness of attack aircraft .... but the Russian Federation could well have bought them. since we cannot produce new Su25
    3. lis-ik
      lis-ik 31 July 2020 16: 51
      +3
      Quote: Alien From
      Oh yes, the Jews will rip off the last skin from non-brothers)

      A controversial issue. It is not for nothing that they say, "a Ukrainian was born, a Jew hanged himself."
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 1 August 2020 00: 18
        0
        Quote: lis-ik
        It is not for nothing that they say, "a Ukrainian was born, a Jew hanged himself."

        "Where villain passed, there a Jew has nothing to do "...
        "When villain was born, the Jew wept "...

        If it’s banal to steal, then this is to the "settlers", but as a gesheft on the poor-minded, it’s the Jews are masters, but who needs a kickback from this deal in Ukraine ...
    4. Andrey.AN
      Andrey.AN 31 July 2020 23: 36
      0
      In vain you think so, from my position it looks that the Jews are not at all averse to serving for the good, history interferes, it contains only debts, except for the fascist genocide, they don’t write a damn about how they paid, for the Promised Land, in front of those from whom they took away, I wonder would be to read. And then some one will say - I got it on the neck for your house, shouldn't he go to the one from whom I received it? They are recognized as worthy only when they behave themselves.
  • Bulgarian
    Bulgarian 31 July 2020 16: 05
    21
    May help Palestinians modernize Qassam missiles
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 1 August 2020 08: 46
      +4
      Iran is helping them in this, which in turn copies everything that it can ... including the unique Cornet and TOU
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 31 July 2020 16: 08
    +4
    This is not good. The Israelis are capable of improving the combat capabilities of this aircraft. Hopefully ours will also throw in the LDNR something more worthwhile than the ancient Soviet military air defense.
    1. Ilshat
      Ilshat 31 July 2020 16: 55
      +6
      I suppose, regardless of the results of modernization, the kakly will not dare to use aviation against the LPNR.
      Because they won't get it for nothing.
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 31 July 2020 21: 42
      0
      Quote: Marconi41
      This is not good. The Israelis are capable of improving the combat capabilities of this aircraft. Hopefully ours will also throw in the LDNR something more worthwhile than the ancient Soviet military air defense.

      Well, ours can throw in the latest V and VT, not only the LDNR, but also Iran, for example ... it will be a glorious hunt, for someone the last ...
    3. Outsider
      Outsider 1 August 2020 00: 03
      -2
      - Again the Buk air defense system?
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 1 August 2020 00: 24
        +3
        Quote: Outsider
        - Again the Buk air defense system?

        Again, where is this from? The militias have long and thoroughly registered the Torahs, with which they landed a bunch of dill, and the beech is the schizophnatasia of the gentlemen, who are trying with all their might to retouch the chewy-black ears sticking out of the tragedy with the Boeing ...
    4. 3danimal
      3danimal 1 August 2020 16: 09
      -1
      I hope ours will leave the southeast of Ukraine and stop supporting local gangs. It will become easier for all Russians - the billions that are thrown in there annually will cease to be "absorbed", "vacationers" will die. And most of the sanctions will be lifted (from which one "benefit" smile ).
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 1 August 2020 16: 57
        +1
        Quote: 3danimal
        And most of the sanctions will be lifted (from which one "benefit"

        Oh, these tales!
        Oh, these storytellers!
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 1 August 2020 23: 05
          0
          Can you argue point by point?
          (I understand, on TV they say that "they are from harm")
  • Kuz
    Kuz 31 July 2020 16: 09
    +5
    Could have repaired on Sokol.
    1. Outsider
      Outsider 1 August 2020 03: 59
      +1
      - In Israel, the level of avionics is higher.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 31 July 2020 16: 10
    +6
    Quote: Bulgarian
    May help Palestinians modernize Qassam missiles

    Who can prohibit the Russian Federation? Like anything else in the field of military-technical cooperation.

    In July 2015, Vladimir Kozhin, aide to the President of the Russian Federation for military-technical cooperation, announced that Iran would receive modernized S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems from Russia. On November 9, 2015, the contract entered into force. On April 11, 2016, the representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Islamic Republic of the Islamic Republic Hussein Jaber Ansari spoke about the receipt by Iran of the first batch of S-300 under a contract with Russia.
    On May 10, it became known that the Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems delivered to Tehran were adopted at the Iranian air defense base of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps "Hatam al-Anbiya". On September 21, the Iranian military demonstrated Russian S-300s at a parade in Tehran.





    1. figwam
      figwam 31 July 2020 16: 16
      +1
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Who can prohibit the Russian Federation? Like anything else in the field of military-technical cooperation.

      How long have you had a common border with Iran? In addition, there are defensive weapons, and there are offensive ones.
      1. borberd
        borberd 31 July 2020 21: 09
        +2
        Quote: figvam
        How long have you had a common border with Iran?

        Since then, when Iran pinned itself to Syria ... on our border with it.
        1. figwam
          figwam 31 July 2020 21: 26
          +2
          Quote: borberd
          Ever since Iran got into Syria

          And how the S-300 air defense systems sold to Iran threaten Israel?
          1. borberd
            borberd 31 July 2020 21: 42
            -1
            Nothing like the Syrian ones at the moment.
            1. figwam
              figwam 31 July 2020 21: 47
              +4
              Quote: borberd
              Nothing like the Syrian ones at the moment.

              Therefore, if the outskirts receive attack aircraft, then in response someone, somewhere will receive something that will threaten you, everything is simple.
              1. borberd
                borberd 31 July 2020 21: 51
                0
                We are constantly finding your weapons from our enemies. So nothing will change.
                1. figwam
                  figwam 31 July 2020 21: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: borberd
                  We already constantly find your weapons from our enemies

                  Even your militants in Syria are fighting with our weapons, nothing can be done about them, they are the most reliable and cheapest.
                  1. borberd
                    borberd 31 July 2020 22: 01
                    -3
                    Our militants are fighting in Syria only in your visions. There are enough militants from all sides and from yours too, not only from ours. We are not participants in the Syrian civil war.
                    1. figwam
                      figwam 31 July 2020 22: 03
                      +4
                      Quote: borberd
                      We are not participants in the Syrian civil war.

                      Oh, I forgot, you always have nothing to do with it)))
                      1. borberd
                        borberd 31 July 2020 22: 04
                        -3
                        Quote: figvam
                        Oh, I forgot, you always have nothing to do with it)))

                        Exactly .
                2. Incvizitor
                  Incvizitor 1 August 2020 01: 20
                  0
                  Look at yourself missiles of calibers and Iskander do not find in the end.
          2. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 1 August 2020 11: 00
            +1
            Quote: figvam
            And how the S-300 air defense systems sold to Iran threaten Israel?

            Air defense covers ground troops.
            Beh air defense is practically impossible to conduct ground operations. (until the 20th century it was possible, but now it is not very good)
            since the Iranian Air Force cannot fulfill the role of an air defense (they will not pull it, like their fellow Arabs in past wars), then only missiles remain.

            continue the chain?
            1. figwam
              figwam 1 August 2020 11: 45
              +2
              Quote: Maki Avellievich
              Air defense covers ground troops.

              Iranian S-300PMU2 cover strategic facilities on their territory from your missiles.
              Quote: Maki Avellievich
              continue the chain?

              For those who are in an Israeli tank, I repeat, put on strike weapons, you will receive the same in return.
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 31 July 2020 20: 34
      +8
      Who can prohibit the Russian Federation? Like anything else in the field of military-technical cooperation.

      1. Volyn massacre - March-July 1943
      2. Lviv pogrom - July 1941
      3. Executions at Babi Yar - 1941
      4. Liquidation of the Rivne Jewish ghetto - July 1942
      5. Massacre in Khatyn - March 22, 1943
      6. Murder of Lviv professors - July 1941
      7. Tragedy of Janowa Valley - April 1943
      8. Massacre in Lipniki - March 1943
      8. Massacre in Lipniki - March 1943
      10. The extermination of Jews in Chudnov - October 1941
      11. Massacre in Dubno - October 1942
      11. Massacre in Dubno - October 1942
      13. Ethnic cleansing of Central and Western Ukraine at the beginning of the German occupation - 1941
      14. Burning of Belarusian villages in the Polotsk region - March 1943
      15. Slaughterhouse in a Polish monastery near the village of Podkamen - March 1944
      16.Massacres and ethnic cleansing in the postwar years - 1945-53
      This is not a complete list!
      Few Bandera slaughtered Poles and Jews, since you quickly forgot everything.
      And the cheap slogan: "business, nothing personal" will never work here !!! negative
      1. Arpad
        Arpad 1 August 2020 09: 45
        0
        Quote: kapitan92
        This is not a complete list!
        Few Bandera slaughtered Poles and Jews, since you quickly forgot everything.
        And the cheap slogan: "business, nothing personal" will never work here !!!

        strange, for a couple of hundred years - Russians and Ukrainians were together, families, children, wars, the country - all together.
        but as soon as they go not where the elder brother is pointing, everyone immediately turned into Bandera. and your blood enemies.
        so you teach others how to behave with them.
        And what, you didn’t think about this massacre before? Maybe Bandera's supporters appeared only yesterday?
        But all this seemed to become outdated for many years, you lived with it remarkably.
        And then, all of a sudden ... what has changed?
        that before that Bandera and anti-Semites suited you?
        deal with yourself, and then teach others.
  • svp67
    svp67 31 July 2020 16: 11
    +7
    At the same time, some military experts questioned the ability of Israeli specialists to carry out a high-quality and functional modernization of Soviet fighters.
    Considering how many former "specialists" there are in Israel who designed and made these MiGs ... I would not be so sure of the failure of the modernization work. I am more interested in the question of price. Does Israel understand how much it will have to pay for this cooperation?
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 31 July 2020 16: 14
      -7
      Quote: svp67
      Does Israel understand how much it will have to pay for this cooperation?

      What will they pay? So far, only they are paid.
      1. svp67
        svp67 31 July 2020 16: 17
        +7
        Quote: Grazdanin
        What will they pay? So far, only they are paid.

        Well, how to say, they also have where to "pour salt on the tail"
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 31 July 2020 16: 19
          -4
          And where? What will they get for this?
          1. svp67
            svp67 31 July 2020 16: 25
            +3
            Quote: Grazdanin
            And where? What will they get for this?

            Well, their opponents, suddenly, will have more advanced weapons.
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 31 July 2020 16: 28
              -3
              Previously, this did not work, now even more so.
              1. svp67
                svp67 31 July 2020 16: 29
                +3
                Quote: Grazdanin
                Previously, this did not work, now even more so.

                And no one says that this Israeli development will work, but that they are for us, then we can create problems for them ...
            2. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 31 July 2020 16: 29
              0
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Grazdanin
              And where? What will they get for this?

              Well, their opponents, suddenly, will have more advanced weapons.

              Well, this is definitely not an argument. The Russian Federation does not limit itself at all in the sale of weapons in the BV. Giving has ceased already well.
              1. svp67
                svp67 31 July 2020 16: 31
                +8
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                The Russian Federation does not limit itself at all in the sale of weapons in the BV.

                Let's just say, within the framework of certain agreements, with the same Israel. Do not remember how long Russia "dynamized" Syria with the S-300? And there are more examples.
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 31 July 2020 16: 41
                  -1
                  Quote: svp67
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  The Russian Federation does not limit itself at all in the sale of weapons in the BV.

                  Let's just say, within the framework of certain agreements, with the same Israel. Do not remember how long Russia "dynamized" Syria with the S-300? And there are more examples.

                  Well, Israel seems to be selling something to Ukraine for the first time since 2009. During this time, the Russian Federation has sold billions of weapons to the Arabs and Iran.
                2. borberd
                  borberd 31 July 2020 21: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: svp67
                  Do not remember how long Russia "dynamized" Syria with the S-300?

                  Dynamila for a while. Not free ... And at the same time, Syria, with the tacit consent of the Russian Federation, was handing over "cornets" to Hezbollons.
    2. avib
      avib 31 July 2020 16: 16
      15 th
      There are absolutely zero former specialists in Israel. Jews in the USSR were never allowed to do something even slightly "with admission".
      1. svp67
        svp67 31 July 2020 16: 19
        +5
        Quote: avib
        There are absolutely zero former specialists in Israel. Jews in the USSR were never allowed to do something even slightly "with admission".

        Ha, ha ... don't be funny ..., yes, after the formation of Israel, they were treated with caution, but they were not banned en masse
        1. avib
          avib 31 July 2020 16: 58
          11 th
          Israel was "formed" in 1948. Mig 29 - much later. Just as Jews were not taken from the end of the sixties to "serious" specialties in "serious" universities, they did not allow anything the slightest bit serious in the defense industry.
          1. Outsider
            Outsider 1 August 2020 00: 10
            +2
            Who created the Soviet atomic bomb? Jews.
            Who created the fastest Soviet MiG-25 fighter? - Jew.
            Who created the fastest Soviet T-4 Sotka bomber? - Jew ...
            All decades, despite the Stalinist anti-Semitic purges, despite a new round of state anti-Semitism in the USSR after the Six Day War, in all Soviet more or less costing design bureaus and research institutes "a Jew sat on a Jew and drove him to a Jew" ...
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      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 31 July 2020 16: 22
        +5
        Ioffe, Khariton, Zeldovich ... They didn't allow it, you say?
        1. avib
          avib 31 July 2020 17: 10
          +2
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Ioffe, Khariton, Zeldovich ... They didn't allow it, you say?

          Where is Ioffe, Khariton, Zeldovich and where is Mig 29? Not those times. Ioffe, Khariton, Zeldovich were already well-known scientists in the 60s. After a 6-day war, Jews were even no longer accepted to more or less serious universities. So the Jews did not take any military / defense secrets to Israel. There was nothing to take out.
          Want a simple example? My father (gold medal at school, winner of republican and prize-winner of all-Union Olympiads in physics and mathematics) just at the end of the 60s from a small provincial town went to Moscow to enter MEPhI. I passed written mathematics with a grade of 5 (when entering a university in the USSR, if you remember, the written exam is anonymous). There were less than a dozen of such applicants who passed perfectly, and then the father passes oral mathematics at 2 - you can always fill up if you want, the fifth column. If anyone is interested in what anti-Semitism is in the USSR, this is it.
          And my father graduated from the provincial polytechnic, of course with honors, but the country, in my opinion, has lost a good scientist.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 17: 29
            +4
            Quote: avib
            After a 6-day war, Jews were even no longer accepted to more or less serious universities.


            Come on, over there I had two senior Jewish teachers at the VVMU. This is in the early 90s ...
        2. forest1
          forest1 31 July 2020 23: 00
          +1
          Zeldovich theorist. There is no need to admit it - the theoretician's weapons are calculators, pencils and paper and brains, of course. Could he really not have been allowed to reach the paper with pencils
      3. Dym71
        Dym71 31 July 2020 16: 28
        +5
        Quote: avib
        Jews in the USSR were never allowed to do something even slightly "with admission".

        Well, well, go on winked
        1. forest1
          forest1 31 July 2020 23: 09
          +1
          Zeldovich theorist. He was admitted to textbooks on physics, to notebooks and pencils. Almost all of us here are admitted to the same. At one time he calculated on the basis of nuclear physics data about the fundamental possibility of creating a hydrogen bomb together with a Sakharov bomb. People who are well versed in nuclear physics can still do this using ordinary textbooks. By the way, Stalin then began to promote Sakharov. Although the main violin was Zeldovich. But Sakharov had a correct nationality.
      4. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 31 July 2020 16: 35
        +8
        composer Jan Frenkel to verses by Inna Goff, performed by Joseph Kobzon, the song "Russian Field"
      5. Xenofont
        Xenofont 31 July 2020 18: 04
        +8
        Oh, don't lie so brazenly! He worked in a research institute in the 80s with such admissions, Mom, do not worry, and there were many Jews in serious positions.
    3. Hexenmeister
      Hexenmeister 31 July 2020 16: 17
      +4
      Considering how many former "specialists" are in Israel who designed and made these MiGs.
      Considering that the MiG-29 has been in the army for almost 40 years, the youngest of the "former specialists" are already retired, and they will not determine the "face" of this modernization. In addition, since we are going to modernize the radar, we need more modern weapons, freshly painted R-27s are unlikely to fit this role.
    4. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 31 July 2020 16: 18
      +3
      The Jews have extensive experience in modernizing a variety of equipment. Both the former USSR and foreign samples. Moreover, everyone recognized that the modernization was successful.
      1. svp67
        svp67 31 July 2020 16: 21
        +2
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Moreover, everyone recognized that the modernization was successful.

        No, not always ... And they have plenty of failures ...
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 31 July 2020 16: 23
          -6
          Maybe unfinished projects? Those that passed in full always satisfied the operator.
          1. svp67
            svp67 31 July 2020 16: 27
            +2
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            e, that passed in full, the operator was always satisfied.

            Well, yes, the Georgians were so happy in the 2008 war ...
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 31 July 2020 16: 54
              -4
              It's strange that you remembered two (!) Modernized aircraft. Do you believe in miracles - weapons?
              But for some reason they forgot about "ksirs", "Lavi" ...
        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 31 July 2020 16: 27
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Moreover, everyone recognized that the modernization was successful.

          No, not always ... And they have plenty of failures ...

          I agree. It could not be otherwise.
        3. Avior
          Avior 31 July 2020 16: 30
          +1
          It is Elbit who specializes in the modernization of old Soviet aircraft, not necessarily military
      2. loki565
        loki565 31 July 2020 16: 47
        -3
        The Jews have extensive experience in modernizing a variety of equipment. Both the former USSR and foreign samples. Moreover, everyone recognized that the modernization was successful.

        Tell this to the Georgians, otherwise they are going to write off their modernized Su 25)))
        1. Avior
          Avior 31 July 2020 18: 24
          +2
          There are problems elsewhere
          Spare parts and meaningless content after 2008 - they are meaningless against Russia
          They say it directly
          http://military-informant.com/analytic/gruziya-otkazalas-ot-shturmovikov-su-25.html
    5. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 31 July 2020 16: 24
      -2
      And how much is Israel on the globe of Ukraine? repeat
    6. loki565
      loki565 31 July 2020 16: 45
      -1
      Considering how many former "specialists" there are in Israel who designed and made these MiGs ... I would not be so sure of the failure of the modernization work. I am more interested in the question of price. Does Israel understand how much it will have to pay for this cooperation?

      The same office modernized the Su25 for Georgians, well, where are they now ???)))
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 31 July 2020 16: 50
        +2
        That which is dead cannot die.
    7. K-612-O
      K-612-O 31 July 2020 17: 25
      -1
      By the way, the SMT program also began with Israel, but Migovtsy later decided to finish it themselves.
      He smiled about the opportunity to work on the ground. 29th already knew how request
    8. Iris
      Iris 31 July 2020 20: 06
      +3
      Does Israel understand how much it will have to pay for this cooperation?


      I would not attach too much importance to this event.
      Considering that our Ministry of Defense is actively training regular officers from Palestinian militants, and not on a commercial basis, which would be at least logical, but on budgetary funds, the price issue may turn out to be a little not in our favor.
    9. Albert1988
      Albert1988 1 August 2020 00: 28
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Considering how many former "specialists" there are in Israel who designed and made these MiGs ... I would not be so sure of the failure of the modernization work.

      There is already one sad experience ... And it's not only and not so much in the specialists, but in the element base, which may not be so suitable that in the birdie you will have to replace ALL the filling, and this will be more expensive than buying a completely new car ...
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 16: 14
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    which these MiGs designed and made ... I would not be so sure of the failure of the modernization work.

    Modernization of the Romanian MiG-29 ended in zilch
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 31 July 2020 16: 26
      -1
      The Polish ones seem to have successfully modernized.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 16: 29
        +1
        There modern radar did not touch as far as I remember -
        The modernization included the installation of a new on-board computer, a navigation system, a MIL-STD-1553 data exchange bus, an access module for software for projectiles and missiles, an upgraded GPS system and new multifunctional screens. The aircraft were also fitted with a miniature camera on the right side of the cockpit, which helps identify intercepted aircraft.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 31 July 2020 16: 30
          -2
          Yeah, so Israel has a suitable radar station with AFAR, maybe they didn't get the money, maybe they just didn't say about it.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 16: 37
            +3
            This modern, which is mentioned above, cost 2.7 million bucks overboard. How much is a radar with AFAR with installation !!!? When developing a modernization program for the Su-27SM3, ours were even greedy to change Cassegrain to FAR Perot. Although we have 12 newly built Su-27SM3s. And serve them for 20-25 years more.
            1. Hexenmeister
              Hexenmeister 31 July 2020 16: 45
              +2
              even change Cassegrain to FAR Perot
              But the display units were installed, and this is immediately a "plus" to the generation number wink
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 16: 50
                +2
                It's fashionable ... By the way, they are modernizing the Su-30K in Baranovichi for Angola, they say, Pero was installed ...
                1. Hexenmeister
                  Hexenmeister 31 July 2020 16: 58
                  +1
                  They say they put the Pen ...
                  It seems to me that this is not the main thing, any modernization of "old" fighters should also be accompanied by an update of the list of weapons for a modern one, otherwise it will be like painting an old rusty fence, it looks fresh, but under the paint ...
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 17: 22
                    +4
                    The Su-27SM3 did it. The board began to work with the R-77, in addition it became possible to use guided weapons on the ground.
                    1. Hexenmeister
                      Hexenmeister 31 July 2020 17: 29
                      +1
                      Guided weapons on the ground are understandable, which is good, but implementation in the R-77 unit for the late nineties would still be suitable, but how much time has passed since then, and they were not put into operation in the 90s.
                      1. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 17: 32
                        +3
                        R-77, let's say, at a sufficient level, isn't it?
                      2. Hexenmeister
                        Hexenmeister 31 July 2020 17: 35
                        0
                        The problem is the number of simultaneously attacked targets while maintaining vision.
                      3. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 17: 40
                        +3
                        So again we come to the conclusion that the problem is in the radar. Н-001 VP accompanies 10 targets and provides an attack of 2 targets. If we added FAR Perot during modernity, then 2 more targets would be added.
                      4. Hexenmeister
                        Hexenmeister 31 July 2020 17: 46
                        +1
                        That's what we are talking about! But in fact they modernized it, but they did not reach the level corresponding to the time of publication. Only with this one "Pen" definitely would not have done, it would have been seriously necessary to change everything.
                      5. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 17: 50
                        +2
                        Let's do so, the Americans on the radar did seriously modernize the original 63 stations and went through a bunch of updates and eventually got AFAR. At the same time, not to say that the opportunities there have greatly increased. Modern is modern. The latest version of the 77rd did not reach the level of the 63th and the latest version of the 27rd ... On the Su-3x, in my opinion, with modernity, the CMXNUMX should have been equipped with Bars.
                      6. Hexenmeister
                        Hexenmeister 31 July 2020 17: 56
                        +1
                        the original 63 stations went through a bunch of updates
                        You are all right, but these were several successive upgrades. And for the Su-27 with N-001, the whole stage that the Americans did was skipped! And to do the modernization of the level of a skipped stage, at a time when it has already been passed and forgotten, is not correct, unless you consider that at least something will be a little better.
                      7. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 17: 59
                        +2
                        I agree, and therefore it is clear and decisions have been made on the Su-27 - minimal modernity is at least somehow sufficient for a secondary theater of operations, the rest of the finance for the purchase of a new one.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 31 July 2020 18: 02
    -1
    It's like at Avtovaz - reflectors and moldings are stuck - here is a new model of Zhiguli at a new price !!! ))
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 1 August 2020 00: 31
      0
      Quote: Dikson
      It's like at Avtovaz - reflectors and moldings are stuck - here is a new model of Zhiguli at a new price !!! ))

      Your data on AvtoVAZ products are a little outdated ... Just a little bit ... 15 years ...
  • K-612-O
    K-612-O 31 July 2020 17: 26
    +1
    And ours is not there, although I repeat, after 5 years our hassles finished themselves and SMT came out
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 31 July 2020 16: 22
    +2
    It seems that one needs to spend, others master the money.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 31 July 2020 16: 53
    +4
    Hornets F-18 would be suitable for Ukraine.
    Americans write them off on the sly. But new ones are also being released. There are spare parts.
    Airplane with cheap service. Reliable. Works on the ground
    and can stand up for himself in air battles.
    And the MiG-29 is good only for close air combat. Narrow specialization.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 31 July 2020 16: 57
      0
      Why not F16? Cheaper in operation, new ones can be ordered from Turkey, used a huge amount in the world.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 17: 25
        0
        The only sensible option for them, albeit with seamounts on the way.
      2. Albert1988
        Albert1988 1 August 2020 00: 33
        0
        Quote: Grazdanin
        Why not F16? Cheaper in operation, new ones can be ordered from Turkey, used a huge amount in the world.

        Not an option, absolutely - you will have to redo EVERYTHING - from pilot training programs to ground handling, there is a lot of money for that ...
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 1 August 2020 00: 53
          +6
          The F-16 requires very high quality service. And thorough training of pilots.
          The F-16 is packed with sophisticated avionics. You can "squeeze" a lot out of it.
          More than Hornet. But the costs will be much higher.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 1 August 2020 12: 14
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The F-16 requires very high quality service. And thorough training of pilots.

            We read - it requires a lot of pennies, which are dumb ...
        2. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 1 August 2020 09: 22
          0
          Do they have other options? They will not buy weapons in Russia in the next few decades.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 1 August 2020 12: 15
            0
            Quote: Grazdanin
            Do they have other options?

            There is a realistic option - they will sit out on the old decaying Soviet, and what then nobody cares about, because they will grab and dump like a Rabbit)))
    2. loki565
      loki565 31 July 2020 17: 04
      +3
      Hornets F-18 would be suitable for Ukraine.
      Americans write them off on the sly. But new ones are also being released. There are spare parts.
      Airplane with cheap service. Reliable. Works on the ground
      and can stand up for himself in air battles.
      And the MiG-29 is good only for close air combat. Narrow specialization.

      I doubt that the Ukrainian infrastructure will suit them, but changing everything is expensive and time-consuming
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 31 July 2020 17: 06
        0
        They still have to buy Western aircraft. American in terms of price / quality ratio are the best.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 1 August 2020 00: 33
          0
          Quote: Grazdanin
          American in terms of price / quality ratio are the best.

          Next time write "sarcasm" after such statements ...
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 1 August 2020 09: 21
            +1
            What sarcasm? Previously, aircraft made in the USSR were competitors, now they choose other suppliers of fighters only for political reasons.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 1 August 2020 12: 15
              0
              Quote: Grazdanin
              What sarcasm? Previously, aircraft made in the USSR were competitors, now they choose other suppliers of fighters only for political reasons.

              Are you kidding again?
    3. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 17: 24
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Airplane with cheap service. Reliable.


      Ask the Poles how they liked the transition from Soviet cars to Western ones. Cheap and reliable - not the case, yes.
    4. K-612-O
      K-612-O 31 July 2020 17: 28
      +2
      MiG 29 perfectly worked on the ground from the moment of birth, Nursy, Kaby, ur, everything was in the nomenclature
    5. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 31 July 2020 17: 38
      13 th
      The P-36 would be perfect for a Jew. There are machine guns, enough for executions of civilians, the speed is low, it is convenient to aim. Construction with "extensive use" of wood and fabric - low radar signature. Transplant laughing Fighters under the fence
    6. Cristall
      Cristall 31 July 2020 22: 44
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Airplane with cheap service

      Flu is cheaper.
      Moreover, a wagon. True, you need to take new ones there. But the Swedes offer options.
      F 18 Ukraine was transferred from the reserve of Canada. Expensive - even with free shipping.
      Everything around needs to be changed.
      A moment is more expensive than Grippen in maintenance, but everything is already there. The entire infrastructure is geared towards Mig and Su.
      But in the future, a small number of multifunctional aircraft will still have to be purchased.
      Let the UAV bear the brunt.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 August 2020 00: 10
        +5
        With Grippen, political problems will begin at the stage of sales.
        Sweden does not like to sell weapons to potential war zones.
        Such is their peaceful socialist government.
        Like: "buy our weapons, but there is no need to fight! Let's live in peace" laughing
        Influenza itself is pretty good, though.
      2. Albert1988
        Albert1988 1 August 2020 00: 35
        0
        Quote: Cristall
        But in the future, a small number of multifunctional aircraft will still have to be purchased.
        Let the UAV bear the brunt.

        And now a realistic option - military aviation in Ukraine is gradually ceasing to exist ... UAVs that are suitable only for beards in the desert to bomb even in Donbass will not make the difference ..
    7. Albert1988
      Albert1988 1 August 2020 00: 32
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Hornets F-18 would be suitable for Ukraine.
      Americans write them off on the sly. But new ones are also being released. There are spare parts.

      Ukriana has no money and technical capabilities to buy even old "hornets" ...
      And how much will have to be added to pilot retraining ...
    8. muham
      muham 1 August 2020 08: 11
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Hornets F-18 would be suitable for Ukraine.
      That is why the Russian government will not oppose the project with the state of Israel.
  • prior
    prior 31 July 2020 17: 06
    +2
    It is not the modernization itself that is important.
    It is important to get money for upgrades and upgrades.
    And the planes? Huh. That you sho ?!
  • ultra
    ultra 31 July 2020 17: 18
    +3
    Quote: avib
    Jews in the USSR were never allowed to do something even slightly "with admission".

    What do we smoke? wassat
    1. avib
      avib 31 July 2020 17: 38
      +1
      Quote: ultra
      Quote: avib
      Jews in the USSR were never allowed to do something even slightly "with admission".

      What do we smoke? wassat

      We don't smoke anything.
      Well, refute. Only with facts.
      By the way, does anyone really think that immigrants from the USSR were taken and admitted to something secret in Israel like that? A permit to enter Israel is not yet a certificate of security. The special services are on the alert.
      1. ultra
        ultra 31 July 2020 21: 07
        +2
        and what has Israel to do with it?
  • Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 31 July 2020 17: 20
    +1
    But Israel's avionics is one of the best
  • Andylw
    Andylw 31 July 2020 17: 26
    +2
    Israeli avionics is excellent (much better than ours), if they still put their braos and afar, it will be cooler than our mig-35
    But the price is too big for Ukraine - $ 40 million per plane
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 1 August 2020 00: 36
      +1
      Quote: AndyLW
      will be cooler than our MIG-35

      And 3 times more expensive ...
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 31 July 2020 17: 35
    10 th
    And on what basis do all and sundry people "modernize" Russian aircraft? Should we impose sanctions on Jews and the like? And skakuas simply cut off from Russia. The Iron Curtain on the border and the deportation of all "migrant workers" under threat of execution.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 31 July 2020 17: 41
    -3
    Niht ferstein! MiG-29-Russian production ... to modernize these aircraft have the right to Russia and have permission from Russia! Well, okay "dupeloit" Banderlog ... but Israel signed international obligations to respect the rights of manufacturers and patent owners! What the hell, then? belay
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 18: 02
      0
      Poles and Ukrainians quite officially announced their rejection of technical assistance to the Russian Federation in the military sphere ... So that the Poles do not fall, they are now exclusively their own evil Buratins
    2. Professor
      Professor 31 July 2020 19: 16
      +4
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Niht ferstein! MiG-29-Russian production ... to modernize these aircraft have the right to Russia and have permission from Russia! Well, okay "dupeloit" Banderlog ... but Israel signed international obligations to respect the rights of manufacturers and patent owners! What the hell, then? belay

      Shabbat Shalom. What patents? What are you talking about? This time.
      What are the rights of producers in a non-existent country? These are two.
      Airplanes are the property of Ukraine and she has the right to do with them whatever comes to her mind. Everything is legal. These are three.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 31 July 2020 23: 02
        -1
        Quote: Professor
        Shabbat Shalom. What patents?

        Gut shabes. Why mention patents? But there are copyright holders of "trade marks" ... and they are in Russia! This time
        Quote: Professor
        What are the rights of producers in a non-existent country?

        Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. For this she paid dearly ... It's two.
        Quote: Professor
        Airplanes are the property of Ukraine and she has the right to do with them whatever comes to her mind.

        Well, well ... your feedback is very important to us ... it might come in handy! We buy "Spikes", or something else Israeli ... we disassemble it to screws and microchips ... we study, produce ... maybe we add something ... we supply ... not even to ourselves, but to those who like us , but to whom we can not supply "Soviet Russo" ... And sho? Why not ? Bought ... it means ours! We do what we want! These are three.
        1. Professor
          Professor 1 August 2020 09: 28
          +6
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Gut shabes. Why mention patents? But there are copyright holders of "trade marks" ... and they are in Russia! This time

          Past. Israel does not manufacture aircraft under the MiG trademark. Israel is only modernizing them. It's like putting a radio tape recorder on a car. No manufacturer approval required. At most, the manufacturer will interrupt the warranty service.

          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. For this she paid dearly ... It's two.

          Again by. The USSR has 15 legal successors. For example, rights to territory, minerals, airspace, water resources, etc. Kirghiz SSR passed to Kirghizia, not RF. It would be another matter if 14 republics left the USSR, and the Russian Federation remained. But de jure and de facto, the Russian Federation collapsed the USSR on a par with Ukraine and Belarus. RF did not continue the Constitution of the USSR. She didn't even leave banknotes. The coat of arms, anthem, flag and ALL other attributes of statehood are different from the Soviet ones.

          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Well, well ... your feedback is very important to us ... it might come in handy! We buy "Spikes", or something else Israeli ... we disassemble it to screws and microchips ... we study, produce ... maybe we add something ... we supply ... not even to ourselves, but to those who like us , but to whom we can not supply "Soviet Russo" ... And sho? Why not ? Bought ... it means ours! We do what we want! These are three.

          Duc you are ALREADY doing it. wink

          You can rip off the Spike design, but you cannot technologically reproduce it. Well, you yourself know.
      2. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 1 August 2020 10: 56
        -2
        And the territory of the Jew is the property of the Arab states. Which UN? You spit on her decisions, it's time to spit on you laughing
    3. Cristall
      Cristall 31 July 2020 22: 47
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      MiG-29-Russian production

      they have a Soviet
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Russia has the right to modernize these aircraft and have permission from Russia

      not necessary. The military can do whatever they want to do.
      This is what transporters need for cargo abroad. Ana and the civilian Eli need it.
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  • Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 31 July 2020 17: 51
    -2
    Where will they get the engines?
  • Dikson
    Dikson 31 July 2020 18: 11
    +6
    Another "partnership without borders" ..? There are so many righteously indignant here .. Has the money for the release of the Kalashnikovs already been collected from all over the world? Ukraine is a sovereign state, be that as it may, and it decides for itself what to spend money on .. They can order modernization for the Cote Divoire republic too .. why are you indignant? Judge for yourself, how will they order modernization from us, if we are officially an aggressor country for them? And with Israel, what they have, what we have is peace, friendship and chewing gum .. What spare parts our Rosoboronexport will sell to Israelis for modifying Ukrainian Migs - no one will ever tell you. So there is no cause for concern. People make money. Don't bother them ...)
    1. Professor
      Professor 31 July 2020 19: 18
      -1
      Quote: Dikson
      Has the money for the release of the Kalashnikovs already been collected from all over the world?

      Why on earth? Kalashnikov was not patented, but if it was, the patent expired in the late 1960s.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 31 July 2020 19: 30
        0
        Professor .. what are we talking about ... first to profuse everything .. and then be indignant and indignant .. Unfortunately, this is our reality ..
  • Dysindich
    Dysindich 31 July 2020 18: 27
    -2
    After modernization, it will no longer be a MIG. (The same happened with the Su-25) What happens, we'll see. But hardly anything worthwhile. However, in the conditions of modern Ukraine, this is an option from the category, something is better than nothing.
  • Good forester
    Good forester 31 July 2020 18: 53
    -1
    And this hang glider will be called not for a moment, but ukriz-129.
  • Python 57
    Python 57 31 July 2020 19: 07
    +4
    And how many weapons did the Russians supply to the Arabs? Forgot ?
    1. muham
      muham 1 August 2020 07: 55
      +2
      Quote: Python 57
      And how many weapons did the Russians supply to the Arabs? Forgot ?
      You did not understand the main thing, they gave the Arabs and here for money.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 31 July 2020 19: 42
    0
    Electronics will be replaced, and where will they get the engines? or they have not developed a resource?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 19: 56
      +1
      They had some kind of stock of engines in the repair fund. The total resource of RD-33 thousand 4 hours.
      The Air Force flew little. The self-drilled colonel on the Su-27 has flown 20 hours over 500 years of service. So they can really stretch out for 10-15 years on the stocks they have, and then you will see that Ukraine, as it were, and the Air Force do not make sense ... SAM, a simple truth of the type C-125U. But I'm the one grinning viciously. But in reality, if there is the will and money of the air defense missile system based on the R-27 air missile, they will make it. Fortunately, there is reason to believe that this complex performed by the Ukrainians is fighting the Houthis. And a bunch of hit targets are already there.


    2. muham
      muham 1 August 2020 11: 38
      0
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Electronics will be replaced, and where will they get the engines? or they have not developed a resource?
      Russia will sell it, otherwise there will be F-18 or 16. which is better?
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 31 July 2020 19: 49
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Niht ferstein! MiG-29-Russian production ... to modernize these aircraft have the right to Russia and have permission from Russia! Well, okay "dupeloit" Banderlog ... but Israel signed international obligations to respect the rights of manufacturers and patent owners! What the hell, then? belay

    Shabbat Shalom. What patents? What are you talking about? This time.
    What are the rights of producers in a non-existent country? These are two.
    Airplanes are the property of Ukraine and she has the right to do with them whatever comes to her mind. Everything is legal. These are three.



    Which non-existent country? THE USSR ?
    https://vk.com/club98173134?z=photo-98173134_457245886%2Falbum-98173134_00%2Frev
    1. Professor
      Professor 31 July 2020 20: 24
      +1
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Quote: Professor
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Niht ferstein! MiG-29-Russian production ... to modernize these aircraft have the right to Russia and have permission from Russia! Well, okay "dupeloit" Banderlog ... but Israel signed international obligations to respect the rights of manufacturers and patent owners! What the hell, then? belay

      Shabbat Shalom. What patents? What are you talking about? This time.
      What are the rights of producers in a non-existent country? These are two.
      Airplanes are the property of Ukraine and she has the right to do with them whatever comes to her mind. Everything is legal. These are three.



      Which non-existent country? THE USSR ?
      https://vk.com/club98173134?z=photo-98173134_457245886%2Falbum-98173134_00%2Frev

      Uh-huh. It has been gone for almost 30 years. good
      1. muham
        muham 1 August 2020 07: 56
        -1
        Quote: Professor
        Uh-huh. It has been gone for almost 30 years.
        And Ukraine was not part of it? And therefore it has the right?
        1. Professor
          Professor 1 August 2020 08: 32
          -1
          Quote: muham
          Quote: Professor
          Uh-huh. It has been gone for almost 30 years.
          And Ukraine was not part of it? And therefore it has the right?

          The USSR has 16 successors left. Ukraine is one of them.
          1. muham
            muham 1 August 2020 08: 55
            -1
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: muham
            Quote: Professor
            Uh-huh. It has been gone for almost 30 years.
            And Ukraine was not part of it? And therefore it has the right?

            The USSR has 16 successors left. Ukraine is one of them.

            QED
            1. Professor
              Professor 1 August 2020 09: 33
              -2
              Typo. Not "16", but "15". hi
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 31 July 2020 20: 19
    0
    Earlier, Elbit Systems, together with German specialists, has already tried to modernize the MiG-29 in Romania under the Sniper program. As a result, this program did not have development and success, and all the modernized MiG-29s were removed from service.

    But the Israelis "mastered" denyuzhka? So the main goal has been achieved.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 31 July 2020 20: 19
    -2
    It can be seen with the Jews it is better to modernize, half of the money is for modernization, the second is divided.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 31 July 2020 20: 32
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Did you attend this? Maybe you were the organizer of the demonstrations under the slogan "Peace in exchange for territories"? Arrange an educational program for you, my not a young foe? wink

    Not at all ...
    In 1978, at the summit in Camp David (USA), a preliminary agreement was concluded, and in 1979 in Washington, Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat signed a peace treaty between Israel and Egypt.

    I'm not that young ...
  • APASUS
    APASUS 31 July 2020 21: 20
    +3
    Israel can change avionics, install a radar and a new sighting system, but it will not add a resource to the machines that are the youngest in 25 years
  • iouris
    iouris 31 July 2020 22: 38
    0
    Quote: "... some military experts have questioned the ability of Israeli specialists to carry out a high-quality and functional modernization of Soviet fighters." End of quote.
    Experts, please report how many KB employees have emigrated?
  • Outsider
    Outsider 31 July 2020 23: 47
    +3
    At the same time, some military experts questioned the ability of Israeli specialists to carry out a high-quality and functional modernization of Soviet fighters.

    - Funny people! laughing "Questioned" ... lol
    http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig212.html
  • paco.soto
    paco.soto 1 August 2020 00: 12
    +7
    Neutral opinion: if I read the forum, this is how the "Israelis" took the battle and won with a devastating score against the "anti-Israelites".
    1. Vladimir Rostovsky
      Vladimir Rostovsky 1 August 2020 09: 29
      +7
      I read the comments of the Israelis - very interesting thoughts that make you think and rethink something for yourself, a lot of things can be learned for general development and everything culturally without becoming personal. I read their opponents - hurray patriotism from all cracks, the transition to personalities, xenophobia, hatred, calls for violence, etc. etc. You guys look ridiculous!
      1. paco.soto
        paco.soto 1 August 2020 13: 36
        +1
        think and rethink something for yourself, a lot of things can be learned for general development and everything culturally without becoming personal. I read their opponents - hurray ©
        As-once this and ya took into account when reading the forum. And he called the discussion a battle - on youth.
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 2 August 2020 11: 48
      +1
      Quote: paco.soto
      Neutral opinion: if I read the forum, this is how the "Israelis" took the battle and won with a devastating score against the "anti-Israelites".

      And this is because it is very hot in Israel and there are no HATS! hi
  • Shahno
    Shahno 1 August 2020 09: 26
    +1
    Quote: Outsider
    Does the ILO (of which Israel is a member) know that there is a 12-hour working day in Israel, or are these your personal fantasies my young "friend"?

    - All repatriates know this - most went through it in the first years of their life in Israel.


    Yes, most of the poor repatriates (well, except for those I know in Herzliya Pituach) worked most of the day for the first year or two after the move. A kind of "cannon fodder", someone stayed there. This is the price of an admission ticket to "paradise" ... or not to "paradise".
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 2 August 2020 12: 02
      +1
      Quote: Shahno
      Yes, most of the poor immigrants

      Have you met wealthy immigrants in 1990? All the wealth of $ 100 per person and any garbage that was brought it seemed that we could not live without it. Yes, I had to work for 10-12 hours. But it paid off, a year later he bought both an apartment and a car. And very quickly I began to work for 8 hours and today I live a normal life, like an ordinary average citizen of Israel.
  • surfdude
    surfdude 1 August 2020 10: 52
    +2
    Nice contract, monetary. There is experience in modernization, resources are there, why not earn a little? And note - make money, do not cut, steal, roll back, etc.
  • 5-9
    5-9 1 August 2020 12: 48
    -2
    New radar and weapons? For only 11 aircraft? Only a ready-made solution, probably, those are the Romanian unfortunate option .... The Urinians once again confirm that an intelligent person cannot be a Urinian!
    Although there is no money for this and will not be ..
  • good
    good 1 August 2020 13: 51
    -1
    well done Jews :)
    will work, and then the planes will write off and all or they will write off themselves :)
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 1 August 2020 22: 00
    -4
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Lara Croft
    Does the ILO (of which Israel is a member) know that there is a 12-hour working day in Israel, or are these your personal fantasies my young "friend"?

    Google next time and you won't look so silly.
    https://pravo.israelinfo.co.il/answers/usl/78234
    Question
    What is the norm for hours with an irregular working day? What does irregular working hours mean in Israel?

    Response
    With a 5-day working week, the working day is 8.6 hours (8 hours 36 minutes), the working week = 43 hours; with a 6-day working week, the working day is 8 hours, the working week = 45 hours; per month - rate of 186 hours. The work shift can be 9 hours if the employee has used the break for at least 24 minutes, but not more than 12 hours.
    All hours above the specified hours are overtime hours. Paid: the first 2 hours - 125%, the next - 150%, no more than 4 additional hours.

    In total, they work 12 hours a day .. In hi-tech, even more. There, as a rule, the payment is not hourly, but global.

    Quote: Lara Croft
    He was urged to do this ... and the eternal "kindness" of Israeli Jews has nothing to do with ...

    Did you attend this? Maybe you were the organizer of the demonstrations under the slogan "Peace in exchange for territories"? Arrange an educational program for you, my not a young foe? wink


    Two revolutions that you staged are enough for us. and now everything is in the hands of the Jews. I think the abscess will soon burst and a large group of gentlemen will flee to Israel. The couple have already escaped ...
  • Lekz
    Lekz 2 August 2020 14: 42
    -2
    Maybe Iran also has something in need of modernization. It is worth helping to "work the land".