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Minsk handed over lists of Russians detained in Belarus to Kiev

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Minsk handed over lists of Russians detained in Belarus to Kiev

Belarus handed over to Ukraine a list of detained Russians, all of them will be checked for participation in hostilities in the Donbass. This was stated by the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmitry Kuleba.


According to Kuleba, the Ukrainian law enforcement agencies are currently "actively working" on the list provided. It has already been established that there are "definitely not seven citizens of Ukraine, but much more."

We received a list of citizens detained by Belarus, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Belarus turned to us with a request to transfer the specified document to the competent authorities of Ukraine for verification for the commission of crimes by these persons in our state and participation in hostilities

- said the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, adding that Kiev does not recognize a second citizenship and everyone who has a Ukrainian passport are citizens of Ukraine.

At the same time, the ombudsman for human rights in Russia, Tatyana Moskalkova, said that there is no substantiated and sufficient evidence of the guilt of Russian citizens detained in Belarus. The Ombudsman recalled that the ombudsman can act only upon receipt of an appropriate appeal, but so far such an appeal has not been received.

Earlier, the Russian Foreign Ministry criticized Minsk's version of the detention of Russian citizens in Belarus.

The odious interpretation by the Belarusian side (...) does not stand up to criticism. (...) the specified group followed in transit through Minsk to Istanbul, having on hand all the necessary documents, including air tickets. All logistics on the territory of Belarus were provided by a Belarusian company. For unknown reasons, the group did not make it to their flight Minsk-Istanbul and had to stay in Belarus while waiting for the purchase of new air tickets by the Belarusian company

- stated in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The Russian Foreign Ministry demanded "to immediately provide access for consular officers to Russian citizens," and also "to stop whipping up negativity."
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  1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 31 July 2020 12: 13 New
    63
    It turns out that the Belarusian side decided to go all-in.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 31 July 2020 12: 20 New
      20
      To understand what Lukashenka is seeking. Yesterday he said that in connection with the possibility of provocations and the penetration of gangs into the republic during the pre-election time, he will turn off the Internet in the country, partly communications and introduce other restrictions ...
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 31 July 2020 12: 22 New
        40
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        To understand what Lukashenka is seeking.

        One gets the impression that he is in panic.
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 31 July 2020 12: 26 New
          68
          Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
          One gets the impression that he is in panic.

          He has schizophrenia.
          1. Veleslav17
            Veleslav17 31 July 2020 12: 36 New
            68
            Long. Only the Russians saw it now. And so on the site - he constantly pushed eulogies. And how I or other Belarusians wrote the truth about him. Immediately they wrote down to zmagars, and the admins banned. Now sip - don't choke.
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 31 July 2020 12: 41 New
              30
              Quote: Veleslav17
              Long. Only the Russians saw it now. And so on the site - he constantly pushed eulogies. And how I or other Belarusians wrote the truth about him. Immediately they wrote down to zmagars, and the admins banned. Now slurp - look don't choke

              We saw it very well. And they never missed all the pearls of the Old Man. In vain you are on us ...
              1. Veleslav17
                Veleslav17 31 July 2020 12: 44 New
                33
                It's just that now such a circus has begun ........ You finally saw it. And we have had such a circus for the last 15 years. Nobody argues that Lukashenka didn’t let the largest enterprises of Belarus collapse and he put things in order - he is a fine fellow in this. But that was in the first three of his terms - then political and economic stagnation began. And everything goes on, God knows where. But he and his officials make a face - as if it should be so and they have everything under control. It's funny already.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 31 July 2020 12: 43 New
              -12
              Quote: Veleslav17
              Now slurp - look don't choke.

              Have you tried to filter this dubious news through your mind? The list of detainees has been on the BelTA website for a long time, and everyone in Ukraine has long been aware of it, as elsewhere in the world.
              You are being bred like children by stuffing like this article. The result is obvious, you are being led like children and splashing furious saliva.
              1. cmax
                cmax 31 July 2020 13: 11 New
                17
                Invar 72. Where the news is doubtful. In the fact that at first they printed only a surname list of 32 people? Data on the citizenship of these people was transferred to Ukraine! Filter yourself without splashing saliva!
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 31 July 2020 14: 02 New
                  +6
                  Quote: cmax
                  Data on the citizenship of these people was transferred to Ukraine!

                  The citizenship of these people is confirmed on any federal channel of the Russian Federation. wink
                  Facts - 1) The names of the detainees have long been on the official website of the Republic of Belarus.
                  2) The citizens of the detained were recognized by Russian officials.
                  Conclusions - the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry decided to splash gasoline into the already complicated relations between Belarus and the Russian Federation. And judging by the comments here, the Banderlog succeeded. request
                  Continue to reflect further. good
                  1. Region68
                    Region68 31 July 2020 16: 06 New
                    +2
                    How can you determine by their last names what kind of people they are?
                  2. Observer2014
                    Observer2014 31 July 2020 18: 17 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Quote: cmax
                    Data on the citizenship of these people was transferred to Ukraine!

                    The citizenship of these people is confirmed on any federal channel of the Russian Federation. wink
                    Facts - 1) The names of the detainees have long been on the official website of the Republic of Belarus.
                    2) The citizens of the detained were recognized by Russian officials.
                    Conclusions - the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry decided to splash gasoline into the already complicated relations between Belarus and the Russian Federation. And judging by the comments here, the Banderlog succeeded. request
                    Continue to reflect further. good

                    It was necessary to reflect before this foolishness with the "Russian PMC" of the most official Belarus. Why did they start this garbage in the media at all? Now sit back and make excuses. Russia. Until such news finally spoiled his imba.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 31 July 2020 20: 35 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Observer2014
                      where did they fly

                      Shevchenko very competently and critically examined the options for their location in Belarus.
                      Where they flew along
                      The "official" version is that military aircraft are flying from Moscow. hi
                  3. cmax
                    cmax 31 July 2020 19: 12 New
                    +3
                    Ingvar 72
                    Onlinee.by
                    ...........
                    Meanwhile, Ukraine received from Belarus a list of detained Russians and will hand it over to the competent law enforcement agencies “for study,” writes TASS. Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba said this today.

                    The list was handed over by the Belarusian side the day before during the meeting of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Belarus Vladimir Makei with the interim head of the Ukrainian Embassy in Belarus Pyotr Vrublevsky. Minsk, Kuleba specified, asked to check the detainees "regarding crimes, their participation in hostilities" in Donbass. Also, the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry said that Belarus did not make any accusations against Ukraine.

                    “You need to go through the list, for each individually, study thoroughly the legal status of each person, and then it will be possible to move on to more specificity,” the minister said.

                    Added

                    The General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine informed the competent authorities of Belarus about the intention to extradite 28 people (nine of them are Ukrainian citizens), who are suspected of participating in a terrorist organization. Also, the Ukrainian authorities are asking to arrest the detainees, according to the website of the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine.

                    Now the Ukrainian side is preparing the documents that are needed to send requests for the extradition of these persons
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 31 July 2020 20: 37 New
                      0
                      And again, all the information according to the data of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry. laughing
              2. K-612-O
                K-612-O 31 July 2020 13: 21 New
                26
                One thing is a list copied from a peacekeeper, and another thing is an official paper with passport data, etc. And as a result, there will be an official request for extradition, which
                the potato king can satisfy, in my opinion he is completely frostbitten.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 31 July 2020 13: 53 New
                  -3
                  Quote: K-612-O
                  A list copied from a peacemaker is one thing,

                  BelTA is not a Peacemaker.
                  Quote: K-612-O
                  passport paper, etc.

                  Do you have information that the passport data of the detainees was handed over to the Ukrainian side? belay do not share the source? wink
                  1. K-612-O
                    K-612-O 31 July 2020 14: 19 New
                    +5
                    BelTA just copied and pasted it, even with commas and errors.
                    And the transfer of the lists was announced by an official, the head of the UkroMID.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 31 July 2020 14: 45 New
                      -7
                      Quote: K-612-O
                      BelTA just copied and pasted it, even with commas and errors.

                      Are you out of your mind? belay BelTA is the state (!) Informational channel of the Republic of Belarus. That is, the original source.
                  2. cmax
                    cmax 31 July 2020 14: 21 New
                    +2
                    Ingvar 72. You go up the stairs to the second-tenth floor of the house in your apartment or try to get in through the window. I think the logic is clear to you. So here in the request should be not only information about the Name of F .., but also citizenship. The source is correct. Not, but "possibly" gave the Ukrainians the nicknames of these guys instead of citizenship. You probably know better.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 31 July 2020 14: 46 New
                      0
                      Quote: cmax
                      The source is correct.

                      Is UkroMID the source correct? belay
                      1. K-612-O
                        K-612-O 31 July 2020 15: 49 New
                        +8
                        Interestingly, what will you say when the donetsk guys will be given away? Will all the rules be too?
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 31 July 2020 17: 02 New
                        -5
                        Quote: K-612-O
                        when the Donetsk guys will betray

                        If it issues. Which I doubt very much.
                      3. bayard
                        bayard 31 July 2020 18: 16 New
                        +9
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        If it issues. Which I doubt very much.

                        In vain.
                        Those of your guys who fought with us as volunteers are sitting in YOU.
                        So the "dad" decided.
                        No ?!
                        Yes !!!
                        And that is exactly what he intended.
                        Otherwise, they would quietly extradite to Russia without noise, hysterics and panic.
                        Showy.
                        Your Fuhrer is SICK.
                        It's hard.
                      4. cmax
                        cmax 31 July 2020 18: 35 New
                        +7
                        Bayard. I agree with you.
                      5. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 31 July 2020 20: 41 New
                        0
                        Quote: bayard

                        In vain.

                        Let's argue. I say that it won't. I'm ready to bet a liter of tequila. I accept bets from everyone. In order not to just stir the air. wink
                        PS I have been living in Togliatti since 1972. wink and "you are sitting" is not for me. Please come to me with logic, not emotions. hi
                      6. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 31 July 2020 22: 36 New
                        +2
                        I agree. Will not give out. But nerves will tremble, will begin to bargain for preferences, political and financial.
                        This is a hostage setup.
                      7. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 1 August 2020 06: 07 New
                        +2
                        Hi Ilyich! hi With a set-up it is possible, but the guys really got there. request
                    2. bayard
                      bayard 1 August 2020 01: 01 New
                      0
                      No, Igor, I will not argue, because I have already made some inquiries and it seems that this business is not just muddy, but also extremely tricky, and the guys were just playing blindly.
                      Not in Belarus, with the help of the Belarusian special services, they just managed to stop them, and perhaps just save the guys' lives ... Otherwise, after a while we would see their bodies with real Russian passports and PMC certificates ... in Turkish bravura reports about the destruction of "Russians mercenaries "in Libya ... For they were driving right into the clutches of the Turkish special services ... although the majority thought that they were going to Venezuela, Sudan and other decent places ... and they were taken to Tripoli ... to serve the PNS ... supposedly ...
                      But in fact, their corpses would be very useful to Turkish (and not only) propaganda ...
                      So, most likely, he will not betray (the Russian Foreign Ministry has already fully engaged in the "rescue operation"), but will outplay this situation to its advantage.
                    3. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 1 August 2020 06: 04 New
                      +1
                      Quote: bayard
                      but will play this situation to his advantage

                      Even if this particular scenario is real (which is not a fact), then playing in your favor is not the height of cynicism. Especially in politics. hi
                    4. your1970
                      your1970 2 August 2020 19: 12 New
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      then after a while we would see their bodies with real Russian passports and PMC certificates ... in Turkish bravura reports about the destruction of "Russian mercenaries" in Libya

                      And this is what is why I am always against PMCs. They are illegal and this interferes with attempts to do something through OFFICIAL channels

                      Z. Y. And if he gives it to Ukraine? What then?
                    5. bayard
                      bayard 2 August 2020 19: 50 New
                      0
                      Quote: your1970
                      ... And if he gives it to Ukraine? What then?

                      It will receive a set of sanctions, like Turkey, howl, sing about its former love ... I think that everything is being done to prevent this from happening.
  • CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 31 July 2020 16: 16 New
    -1
    The list of detainees has long been on the BelTA website

    Here I am about the same.
    Another injection of unverified information is my personal opinion ..
    And when I hear these speeches:
    Belarus handed over to Ukraine a list of detained Russians, all of them will be checked for participation in hostilities in the Donbass. This was stated by the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmitry Kuleba.

    and supposedly performed by Ukrainian officials, frankly speaking, I can’t believe it even once.
    But the reaction of most users "amuses".
    Anything can happen in Belarus now, but until the situation clears up at the official level .... Well, why push it up?
    No ... Feces on the fan, T-shirt on the chest in half and foam in monique ...
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 31 July 2020 14: 48 New
    -1
    Quote: Veleslav17
    Long. Only the Russians saw it now. And so on the site - he constantly pushed eulogies. And how I or other Belarusians wrote the truth about him. Immediately they wrote down to zmagars, and the admins banned. Now sip - don't choke.

    Taking off my hat...
    Now they will start spreading rot on their idol ...
  • krops777
    krops777 31 July 2020 15: 19 New
    11
    Long. Only the Russians saw it now. And so on the site - he constantly pushed eulogies.


    There are anti-Putin communists here, fans of the dad, they regularly put him in opposition to Putin, but the bulk of everything perfectly understands what's what.
  • serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 31 July 2020 18: 16 New
    +2
    Now everyone has just shoved their compliments ... up the ass. They sit in silence, digest. Only in my opinion there is nothing.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 31 July 2020 13: 00 New
    10
    Quote: NIKNN
    He has schizophrenia.

    \ Consequences of the postponed coronavirus. recourse

    And if I didn’t expect such a Vile.

    "Cuckoo" flew away from him forever ...
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 31 July 2020 13: 01 New
    +9
    Quote: NIKNN
    He has schizophrenia.

    In sports and other types of games, this condition is called "tilt".
    That is, when the situation develops rapidly and unpredictably, the player, under the influence of emotions, begins to act spontaneously. The more it aggravates its position.
  • mdsr
    mdsr 31 July 2020 13: 01 New
    21
    Quote: NIKNN
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    One gets the impression that he is in panic.

    He has schizophrenia.

    Not at all. He realized long ago that Russia decided to lead the opposition so that it would not work out, as with Ukraine. Tsepkalo and Babariko were 100% our candidates. He did not allow them to go to the elections. But he allowed Tikhanovsky's wife, who teamed up with the teams of Tsepkalo and Babariki, because alone, she had no chance. In fact, she is now our main candidate. It is not openly affiliated, but it is. The children of the Tikhanovsky, Tsekalo and Babariko are now in Moscow. There is also Tsepkalo himself. Lukashenka does not have the support of the people, but there are security officials. Now the whole question is how strong Russia has ties with the power bloc so that they turn in Lukashenka at the right time. This is the kind of game going on in Belarus. The arrested PMC employees became hostages of this game.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 31 July 2020 15: 37 New
      -6
      Quote: mdsr
      Not at all. He realized long ago that Russia decided to lead the opposition so that it would not work out, as with Ukraine. Tsepkalo and Babariko were 100% our candidates

      Simply put, the conditional Chubais with the company opened their mouths to the Belarusian assets. Do I understand correctly? But when he wrote that Babarik was affiliated with the Russian Federation and Gazprom, there were cons.
      1. mdsr
        mdsr 31 July 2020 16: 03 New
        +6
        The main goal is to get rid of Lukashenka, who has finally lost the confidence of the people, who is hindering integration issues, and the deployment of Russian bases in Baranovichi and near the strategic Suwalki corridor separating the Kaliningrad region from Belarus. In fact, Lukashenka has bankrupted himself in front of everyone. In such a desperate situation, he may decide to unexpectedly surrender the republic to the West in exchange for guarantees of personal safety. This is unacceptable for Russia. Therefore, it was decided to remove it before the situation begins to develop according to the Ukrainian scenario. I hope that everything will turn out as planned.
        1. demos1111
          demos1111 31 July 2020 19: 29 New
          +3
          On Bangalore Square in Minsk, where the rally took place, I did not see a single Russian flag.
          Mostly Polish ones.
        2. A good one
          A good one 31 July 2020 23: 18 New
          -5
          Quote: mdsr
          The main goal is to get rid of Lukashenka, who has finally lost the confidence of the people, who is hindering integration issues, and the deployment of Russian bases in Baranovichi and near the strategic Suwalki corridor separating the Kaliningrad region from Belarus. In fact, Lukashenka has bankrupted himself in front of everyone. In such a desperate situation, he may decide to unexpectedly surrender the republic to the West in exchange for guarantees of personal safety. This is unacceptable for Russia. Therefore, it was decided to remove it before the situation begins to develop according to the Ukrainian scenario. I hope that everything will turn out as planned.

          Tayotu do not forget to buy yourself a dove, red banner yes
        3. lopvlad
          lopvlad 1 August 2020 18: 20 New
          0
          Quote: mdsr
          In such a desperate situation, he may decide to unexpectedly surrender the republic to the West in exchange for guarantees of personal safety. This is unacceptable for Russia.


          Why such complex combinations that risk turning into a split like in Ukraine, during which you have to run and have nowhere to run except Russia? It's easier to surrender to Moscow under the guarantees of life-long rule of Belarus by Lukashenko himself and his heirs. Moreover, the problems in the form of debts to Moscow will immediately disappear.
    2. Terrible
      Terrible GMO 31 July 2020 16: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: mdsr
      But he allowed Tikhanovsky's wife, who teamed up with the teams of Tsepkalo and Babariki, because alone, she had no chance. In fact, she is now our main candidate

      You just do not tell local members of the forum. They are already agents of the West and the main Russophobic candidate has written her down.

      Quote: mdsr
      Tsepkalo and Babariko were 100% our candidates.

      The only thing in favor of this theory is that Viktor Babariko worked for Belgazprombank. For example, a lot of years were a diplomat in the United States. But he is not an "agent of the State Department"?

      Quote: mdsr
      Children of the Tikhanovskys,

      Exported to Europe to relatives through the channels of sympathizers. By the way, journalists.

      Quote: mdsr
      Children of Tsekalo

      It's right. However, it is difficult to take it somewhere else. We are isolated as a "plague" country.

      Quote: mdsr
      Babariko's children

      Babariko's children are in Belarus. The daughter is free (she flew in from Australia and will not be detained, they are afraid. The foreigners were detained, but they were immediately released), and the son is in the KGB pre-trial detention center.
    3. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 31 July 2020 18: 19 New
      0
      Did you listen carefully to our ambassador? Look and listen, and then write about PMCs.
      1. mdsr
        mdsr 31 July 2020 18: 30 New
        -6
        Quote: serezhasoldatow
        Did you listen carefully to our ambassador? Look and listen, and then write about PMCs.

        Do you mean nonsense about the private security company? wassat
        1. serezhasoldatow
          serezhasoldatow 4 August 2020 12: 31 New
          -1
          Nonsense are liberasts, hamsters and anal ducks, khodor seals, Vlasovites, Bandera and other evil spirits.
  • sailor roman
    sailor roman 1 August 2020 16: 46 New
    0
    I agree, pronounced
  • Volkov
    Volkov 31 July 2020 12: 38 New
    15
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    One gets the impression that he is in panic.

    Or he is trying to use the possibility of transferring the detainees as a lever of pressure on Moscow in the framework of the game of independence. The extradition of citizens of the Russian Federation to third countries is a rather serious step that they will not let on the brakes.
    1. Johann Klassen
      Johann Klassen 31 July 2020 13: 52 New
      +6
      I really don't want the Republic of Belarus to be a part of the European Protectorate "Ost" - "Anti-Russia".
      For such a scenario, "heads" should fly, including in the "Moscow authorities".
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 31 July 2020 14: 50 New
        -7
        In Moscow organs, the heads are either cut off
      2. lopvlad
        lopvlad 1 August 2020 19: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Johann Klassen
        so that the Republic of Belarus would also be a part of the European Protectorate "Ost" - "Anti-Russia".


        it is impossible to balance forever between the West and Russia, now the world economy has collapsed and everything is in crisis.
        The time has come to choose either a real, and not on paper, an alliance with Russia as part of a single state or to the West, following the example of Ukraine, but no matter what option Lukashenka chooses, it will not work out on his own without agreement in the political arena.
        So Lukashenka is rushing about as Khmelnitsky used to rush about. The main thing during these rushes is not to do something that even in Russia they will refuse to accept him, because for the West he, as a dictator, will remain.
  • Tavi
    Tavi 31 July 2020 14: 08 New
    +2
    it seems to me, or someone is deliberately substituting him in this way ... they drove him to Zugzwang - and everything that will only aggravate him further ... or no matter how he goes into another blackmail: Russia help to stay in power, otherwise I'll give it up detained in Ukraine.
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 31 July 2020 14: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Tavi
      it seems to me, or someone is deliberately substituting him in this way ... they drove him to Zugzwang - and everything that will only aggravate him further ... or no matter how he goes into another blackmail: Russia help to stay in power, otherwise I'll give it up detained in Ukraine.

      It's just that someone had a `` fruitful debut idea ''
  • Vend
    Vend 31 July 2020 12: 24 New
    +7
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    To understand what Lukashenka is seeking.

    Well, probably another price cut for something
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 31 July 2020 16: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Wend
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      To understand what Lukashenka is seeking.

      Well, probably another price cut for something

      He achieves one thing - not to ask: "Sasha, where's the money?"
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 1 August 2020 03: 45 New
      0
      He has elections very soon, I think he is not up to prices.
  • mdsr
    mdsr 31 July 2020 12: 35 New
    14
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Understand what Lukashenka wants

    Sit in your chair. He is afraid that Russia will side with the people of Belarus when they take to the streets after the elections. This is the worst option for him. Without the support of Russia, he still has a chance to suppress the uprising. But if Russia officially recognizes Tikhanovskaya as president and begins to manage the protest and direct the people, then the security forces may betray the cockroach. It is clinging now in Moscow. Babariko is 100% Russian. It is through their wives that the united opposition of Belarus and Tikhanovskaya is controlled.
    From this point of view, the "delay" in the departure of PMC employees before the presidential elections looks logical and correct.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 31 July 2020 12: 50 New
      +1
      For him to go to the yanyk in Rostov to dump with the stolen quite normal option, though he probably still wanted to attach his son.
      1. For example
        For example 31 July 2020 13: 03 New
        -10
        Quote: mdsr
        he still has a chance to suppress the uprising.

        During these couple of days, the uprising revolutionaries became more active here.
        Does the weather affect? laughing

        And as usual tryndyat on behalf of the people !!! Not less!

        You would have quick-tempered children to calm down your ardor.

        If you are really from Belarus, then solve your problems at home.
        And if you are not from Belarus, then no fucking creep into other people's business.
        1. cmax
          cmax 31 July 2020 13: 19 New
          +7
          For example ... you yourself will be from what. Not an ay-ty company, they got such on Belarusian sites. Parrots .. without Lukashenka we will disappear, etc.
          etc. It disappears with him. It's time for this eternal general secretary to retire.
        2. Johann Klassen
          Johann Klassen 31 July 2020 14: 12 New
          10
          Sorry, uncle.
          In all honesty, sooner or later in Belarus, changes are still needed.
          After all, the President of the Republic of Belarus A.G. Lukashenko is also a man, and alas, not eternal.
          The capitalists do not need the former "Soviet industrial giants", not only in Belarus, but also in the Russian Federation.
          But if the occupation of Belarus takes place, then there will be no industry at all.
          Only, as in the Great Patriotic War in the European Reich, for agricultural work.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 31 July 2020 16: 26 New
            +1
            And what is the use of "Former industrial giants" - they have not been producing money from the budget to maintain competitive products for a long time, and the wear and tear of fixed assets is more than 80% easier to close and in another place new modern constructions to produce competitive products that meet the requirements of today and tomorrow ...
            1. Brturin
              Brturin 1 August 2020 00: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              elsewhere, new modern constructions for the production of competitive products that meet the requirements of today and tomorrow.

              So for this, an investor is needed (the condition here is lower in MTZ - they must come with their own money. So that this does not fall on the budget in any way), but the sales market is important for him - if Belarus is one thing, and if Russia, then .. and looking at such events will dare to come ???
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 31 July 2020 18: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: Johann Klassen
            The capitalists do not need the former "Soviet industrial giants", not only in Belarus, but also in the Russian Federation.

            Have the capitalists really already demolished Norilsk Nickel with GAZ and KamAZ? wink
            The same MZKT at creepy Russian oligarchs will definitely survive - no capitalist wants to lose this opportunity to grab a piece of the military-budget pie.
        3. RVAPatriot
          RVAPatriot 31 July 2020 14: 49 New
          +1
          And where are you from??? News about RB ?? Yes. So what the fuck .. you "If you really are from Belarus, then solve your problems at home." Where is it discussed here that we will solve problems elsewhere ??? Chatterbox !!!
        4. Terrible
          Terrible GMO 31 July 2020 16: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: For example
          And as usual tryndyat on behalf of the people !!! Not less!

          You would have quick-tempered children to calm down your ardor.

          If you are really from Belarus, then solve your problems at home.

          Because we are the PEOPLE, not the people as Lukashenka calls us.
          And you know, we decide. We collect signatures, distribute campaigning on how to conduct the most fair elections, and become observers. Everything is exclusively according to the law.

          Quote: For example
          And if you are not from Belarus, then no fucking creep into other people's business.

          Then the same should be observed when discussing our realities on the part of users from the Russian Federation? In any topic, they are already frightened by zmagars, the State Department, the Maidan, the puppeteers, how can we be without Luka, about cookies and so on.
      2. Inorus
        Inorus 31 July 2020 13: 33 New
        +5
        Quote: Incvizitor
        For him to go to the yanyk in Rostov to dump with the stolen quite normal option, though he probably still wanted to attach his son.

        Is Rostov a dump or something ... why is he needed there ..
      3. boris epstein
        boris epstein 31 July 2020 13: 38 New
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        Does Russia need to dump Luke in Rostov? Yanyk is not gold, but in Ukraine before him, Bandera forces were formed and consolidated. Before the Maidan, the United States pumped $ 5,5 billion into them, almost all the leaders of Western Europe in 2013 visited the Maidan. In Belarus, the zmagars do not have such forces, and YET there is no money from the West either. Zmagarov Luka is not afraid, nor is he afraid of what he should be afraid of in the first place - the announced Lithuania-Poland-Ukraine triangle. After all, then Belarus may lose the western part, received under the USSR in 1939. And if he joins to organize the Lithuania-Poland-Belarus-Ukraine square, he will get even worse than now. Dominate in the triangle, and potentially (with Belarus) in the square will not be Belarus, but Poland.
      4. Dizel200
        Dizel200 31 July 2020 14: 36 New
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        Rostov does not shine for him, probably an alternate airfield in Ukraine
    2. awdrgy
      awdrgy 31 July 2020 13: 31 New
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      This is the question: Will the people in Belarus live better if it becomes a part of today's Russia? I think we need to take into account the mentality of its population. Take even the household level. Will their small businesses (for example, traders) like the dominance of people from Central Asia and the Caucasus in the markets? Will the purchase of real estate land and lakes and their long-term rent by the rich and arrogant by their standards (yes and according to my example, too) Russians? Will the purchase of their enterprises (and this will definitely not be instantaneous) not by local people like it? Will they like the service in the multinational army? Will they like the restrictions on trade with Europe? Will they like the bureaucratic and administrative apparatus that does nothing for people really from the word at all, but only "assimilating" the budget and picking it up on time (and in the future, generously diluted not with local)? Will they like hospitals like in Russia - these ruins without specialists with crumbling allegedly European-style repairs done somewhere by Gaster (who can imagine the Belarusian ones will understand what I mean) Will they like the fact that in the villages they will have to lock the house with a key when you leave? (But these are trifles of course) And what in return? Gasify all even blind corners? -It is unlikely because it is not profitable Will they raise the salaries of state employees by 10-20 percent? Well, but prices will rise as if by magic, Gasoline will become cheaper? -Two years ago they had cheaper than ours, and this despite the fact that we are extracting a resource and we sell it to them and of better quality (my consumption fell below the passport by 0 2 liters and was higher by 0 4 than according to the passport, but this lyrics is natural) Will the salary in the agricultural sector grow? It’s when large Russian companies buy it. Just goodbye free housing free feed free agricultural products for workers Hello chemicals and cucumbers grown in jars on an incomprehensible solution This is how ambiguous everything is
      1. exalibor
        exalibor 31 July 2020 14: 30 New
        +9
        Quote: awdrgy
        This is the question: Will the people in Belarus live better if it becomes a part of today's Russia?

        Yes, I think it will not be worse - if in Belarus the salary is 250-300 USD and more than half must be paid for communal apartments and food, and the rest can be distributed to clothes or rest ...
        Quote: awdrgy
        Will their small businesses (for example, traders) like the dominance of people from Central Asia and the Caucasus in the markets?

        you might think from now no))))
        Quote: awdrgy
        Will the rich and, by their standards, arrogant (and by my example, too) Russians like the purchase of real estate of land and lakes and their long-term rent?

        and how does this lease differ from the lease of local officials to whom he distributed rivers (for example, the whole of Pripyat is leased by 3 brothers - his confidants) and lakes? or lease of land for hunting to the Arabs near Minsk for 50 years ... where there have already been cases of shooting at people who entered this rented land
        Quote: awdrgy
        Will the purchase of their enterprises (and this will definitely not be instantaneous) be liked by non-local ones?

        Why not? how will it differ from the fact that people like slaves plow for a meager salary at state-owned enterprises, and even try to get a job there - and you are right as a slave - because contracts are concluded for 1 year, and then, without any explanation, you simply will not sign a contract next year and everything is legal?
        Quote: awdrgy
        Will they like the bureaucratic and administrative apparatus that does nothing for people really from the word in general, but only "assimilating" the budget and picking it up in time (and in the long run, generously diluted by non-locals)

        you might think local officials are doing something for people? and they do exactly the same - so nothing will change for ordinary people ...
        Quote: awdrgy
        Will they like hospitals like in Russia, these ruins without specialists with allegedly crumbling European-style repairs in some places performed by Gaster (who can imagine Belarusian ones will understand what I mean)

        But what's the point of beautiful hospitals if there is no one to treat there? it's better not to get there, especially if medicine is free ... doctors simply have no time to treat people - they are sewn up in writing various reports for ministries ...
        Quote: awdrgy
        And will they like the fact that in the villages they will have to lock the house with a key when you leave? (But these are trifles of course)

        they are still being locked - those days have already passed ...
        Quote: awdrgy
        And what in return? Gasify all even blind corners? -It is hardly because it is not profitable

        so and so everything is already gasified for the most part ... only there is no special sense - villages are already dying, and it is already becoming cheaper to heat with firewood than gas ... this gas is bought from Russia cheaper, and people are sold at European prices
        Quote: awdrgy
        Will the salaries of public sector employees be raised by 10-20 percent? Well, only the prices will rise as if by magic, will the gasoline become cheaper? -Two years ago they had cheaper than ours, and this despite the fact that we extract the resource and sell it to them and of better quality (my consumption fell below the passport by 0 2 l and was higher by 0 4 than according to the passport, but this lyrics is natural)

        10-20% is also money, and our prices are already higher than yours, including gasoline, but it is of better quality, but this is all the advantage of Belarus
        Quote: awdrgy
        Will agricultural wages rise? Yes, when it is bought up by large Russian companies

        do you know how she is there now? people only have enough to pay for housing and food is already obtained from their own farm ... so there will definitely not be any deterioration for people ...
        Quote: awdrgy
        Only goodbye free housing free feed free agricultural products for workers Hello chemicals and cucumbers grown in jars on an incomprehensible solution

        and where did you get the idea that housing, feed and agricultural products are now free? and everything is grown without chemicals ???

        So excuse me, but for example for me everything is clear ...
        1. awdrgy
          awdrgy 31 July 2020 14: 50 New
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          So the communal apartment is $ 125 or rubles?))) - "you might think there is no one out of now))))" - And the qualification for non-residents too?))) (Albeit unofficial) - "how does this lease differ from the lease of local officials" ? -Probably something is different because someone studied with someone, served, played in a neighboring yard (that is, there are some "horizontal" connections) - "they are still being closed with a key - those times have already passed ..." - not everywhere where I was 2 years ago I didn’t close Sorry I don’t know how to italicize On the rest of the points I also have to object because naturally everything has its own nuances
          - "This is how everything is ambiguous" and - "So excuse me, but for example for me everything is unambiguous ..." is somewhat similar, isn't it?))
          1. exalibor
            exalibor 1 August 2020 06: 40 New
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            Quote: awdrgy
            So the communal apartment is 125 rubles or rubles?)))

            I only pay for gas in a private house (90m2) in which no one is registered and the boiler is set to a temperature in the house of 15 degrees in the winter month I pay 150 USD, and besides that I have to pay for other utilities ... also describe them?
            Quote: awdrgy
            probably something different because someone studied with someone, served, played in a neighboring yard (that is, there are some "horizontal" connections)

            what difference does it make to me who has any connections? if a lake, river or forest is rented and I can't go there !!! and it's on its own land ... so at the moment it's purple for me who will rent it
            1. awdrgy
              awdrgy 1 August 2020 23: 35 New
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              "I only pay for gas in a private house (90m2) in which no one is registered and the boiler is set to a temperature in the house of 15 degrees in the winter month I pay 150 USD, and besides that I have to pay for other utilities ... they also need to be described ? "- And my parents pay about $ 300 for heating with an electric boiler in the winter months in the Russian Federation in a house of 110 square meters, unless, of course, keep it on the 2nd floor (this will not be very warm, to put it mildly) But the neighbor is the one who Well, with a mansion, gas is heated and does not even know (exaggerate) how much he pays because I do not care for money (stolen from), so what? And vice versa, the mother-in-law with 102 sq m in winter nifiga does not wear a T-shirt around the house (and when the grandchildren do not come, they do not heat at all for most of the month (she just keeps the system in "+" so that it does not defrost)) and pays for this "pleasure "6000 r But I pay about 6200 rt for a kopeck piece, about 200 Belarusian rubles, but if you add a radio phone and an Internet, then about 8000 or from 90 to 120, about And you have the same numbers only in Belarusian rubles And this is in the absence own resources! (Not sickly huh?) So that for those who do not live richly, everything is ok and for those who want richer dad presses So? And we have it the other way around And I very much doubt that the majority of Belarusians are for it the other way around And if you want to scroll through your house and drown for a penny, put a warm floor from solar panels (but that's what I mean) So we would have your problems as they say But all this is learned only later, when it is "a little late." And as for "your own land", maybe someone considers the territory of your "private house" to be their land? And it turns out for the "neighbor's lake" we see, but for our 20 acres, no (But this is already I hit the "Marx" and that's another story) It would be more correct - you won't hear when you try to enter the neighbor's territory (in in most cases, which you know) the phrase, "Who are you, let's see you" with an unclear accent? -Until you hear So the biggest military secret is that this is only the first stage and we have not even the second
              1. your1970
                your1970 2 August 2020 19: 34 New
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                Quote: awdrgy
                And my parents pay about $ 300 for heating with an electric boiler in the winter months in the Russian Federation in a house of 110 square meters, unless, of course, keep on the 2nd
                you don't have windows 21 000 per month pay for heating for 110 square meters ????
                Throw out nafig such a boiler - it will be warmer WITHOUT it ...
                1. awdrgy
                  awdrgy 3 August 2020 11: 52 New
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                  Let's figure it out somehow And given the fact that we built the house ourselves without hiring anyone, because we don't steal, we don't master it, and we are not attached, then your statement is generally not justified by anything And at best it is bare theoretical calculations and (or) comparison with something cool, modern (built for a lot of money) And we have the windows and the insulation is laid and the walls are not in one brick (although I do not argue there are jambs in construction, like everyone who builds himself) Yes, but if we throw out the boiler, then we will have to to heat with wood, which we did before (and by the way, nifiga is not warmer) That's just in connection with the "excellent" demographic situation in the country that affected our family (and specifically, while someone was stealing and sawing, many lived in zucchini and did not give birth very much) there are not so many male working hands as it should be Roughly speaking, I am not a terminator to work in three jobs (just for the sake of providing for a family of 4 people, T e not even three children as it should be normal!) also to deal with firewood Although it is cheap vle yes, but I don't have 32 hours in a day, and I'm already 32
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 3 August 2020 12: 26 New
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                    I have my own old soviet semi-detached house, 1974, 98 sq m, gas, 2 per month are spent on heating. The second half of the house is heated with electricity, 200 sq. M, about 72 comes out a month ... his wife's brother ... He has cockroaches about gas, he doesn't want to gasify.
                    How do you get out
                    Quote: awdrgy
                    about 300 y e (!!!!!!!!!)for heating with an electric boiler
                    a month - I don't understand repeat
                    You can cut Zero from 300 bucks ... Or close the windows ...

                    At our work in a room with a total area of ​​262 sq m, an electric boiler consumes 9 000 a month, and we open doors and vents when -10 - because it is hot, and the authorities forbid to regulate it ...

                    And you have 20 and it's cold ...
                  2. awdrgy
                    awdrgy 3 August 2020 12: 48 New
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                    - "I have my own old Soviet house with two apartments, 1974, 98 sq. M., Gas, 2 per month are spent on heating" -My mother-in-law comes out in the region of 200 (gas is 6000 sq. I definitely don't understand her boiler (although her son put a new one for her, which seems to be more economical than the old Soviet one), but I know about the amount because my wife helps my mother, and I naturally unobtrusively asked what the finances were going on and just as unobtrusively checked whether such a sum was really there. I myself was a witness to this, because since March the grandchildren have been living with their grandmother, and given that the spring this year is not very warm, it was drowned until the beginning or even the middle of May.Naturally, it wasn’t a whole day anymore, but so it was heated at a minimum Result-102 with kopecks per month outside the temperature is already above zero) Of course, if it were not for the grandchildren, she would not have drowned and there would be an ice skier in the house at + 2000- + 12, depending on the outside temperature
                  3. your1970
                    your1970 3 August 2020 20: 09 New
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                    Quote: awdrgy
                    My mother-in-law leaves around 6000 (
                    -this delirium - her heat flies into the atmosphere in indescribable quantities. Even when we had old wooden windows in the early 2000s, it didn’t take so much gas (even though it’s possible to count gasoline at least by dollar for salary). After installing plastic windows (of which not a siphonite), heating costs dropped sharply
                    Я over the winter (!!!!) I pay a little more (within 10 thousand) than you do in a month - and we have winter with strong winds and average minus 20-25 (sometimes more). The boiler is an ordinary double-circuit "Conord" - the simplest rural option
                    Spring summer autumn gas - with a stove and a bath, it burns up 250 rubles a month and that's a lot
                    You either have a breshet counter or a sieve house or Oymyakon ...
                    In the middle lane so the gas does not fly away
                  4. awdrgy
                    awdrgy 4 August 2020 14: 37 New
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                    exalibor (Alexander) August 1, 2020 06:40 AM
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                    Quote: awdrgy
                    So the communal apartment is 125 rubles or rubles?)))

                    - "I only pay for gas in a private house (90m2) in which no one is registered and the boiler is set to a temperature in the house of 15 degrees in the winter month I pay 150 USD" - The price there (in Belarus) is about 6-8 rubles per cubic meter for our money (of course, with flow measuring devices) during the heating season We have about 5-7 depending on the region and it turns out 6000 is about 90 in the winter month (for 102 sq m) you have 98 sq m and it turns out about 3000 which will be where then 45th The task is to determine anonymously which of them is raving?) By the way, after the installation of plastic windows, it did not get any warmer, since they did not siphon out of wooden ones either because they were glued for the winter (but I will not say this about our house for my mother-in-law, since the quality of pasting on a pair is not yet I did not check the changed wooden windows))) In general, I can say this: When in the 0s I worked in Moscow, I had a conversation with a brow from Ukraine and he boasted of such house insulation in which he had one Canadian for 4000 Baku (this is a big Canadian but that's all same) enough to support the winter in the Sumy region to have "Africa" ​​in a two-storey building of about 200 sq. m. So he bragged for a reason, but to show what a correct and hard-working pepper he is and how good he is with the money that he could afford such insulation. Our Canadian was smaller than him and then cost about 1500 Baku (it was enough to heat a couple of adjacent rooms and not have a minus temperature in the rest) Therefore, everything is known in comparison
                  5. your1970
                    your1970 4 August 2020 23: 07 New
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                    I understand, pay further, your right ... At least 50 a month is the master's business

                    I pay on average 2200 in winter a month and it suits me perfectly.

                    Z. Y. It is possible and easier to find ways to throw money away. .....
                    But normal people with such spending on heating, either change the boiler or insulate the house
                  6. awdrgy
                    awdrgy 13 August 2020 23: 04 New
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                    I absolutely agree with you. Let me and "that guy" and all those who could not insulate will be abnormal))
                  7. your1970
                    your1970 14 August 2020 07: 26 New
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                    Quote: awdrgy
                    I absolutely agree with you. Let me and "that guy" and all those who could not insulate will be abnormal))

                    Remind you Your words
                    Quote: awdrgy
                    And my parents pay about $ 300 for heating with an electric boiler in the winter months in the Russian Federation in a house of 110 square meters, unless, of course, keep on the 2nd

                    According to them, your parents pay $ 22 a month. For 000 months - from November to March it is 110 000
                    Quote: awdrgy
                    unless, of course, keep on 2-echke (it will not be very warm to put it mildly)

                    We see a very strange situation - on the one hand, parents spend crazy money on heating, on the other hand, they cannot find 50 (with work!) For insulation with banal foam.
                    Heating costs for 10 years - 1 versus 100 (roughly !!)
                    Quote: your1970
                    The second half of the house is heated with electricity, 72 sq m, about 3 400


                    You specify what is 300 for whole the season or your parents have an oligarch's son - who allows them to throw loot to the wind

                    Once again - 50 for one-time insulation and enough to save 000 million (spent over 1 years of operation)

                    Well, or you need to "red" kick
                  8. awdrgy
                    awdrgy 15 August 2020 00: 31 New
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                    Read carefully, everything that you wrote concerns the parents' house, which is normally insulated but heated by electricity due to the lack of other alternatives And yes, it is expensive. about 6000 Note that I am not the owner of any of the other (as in fact I am not and where I live, but this is the lyrics) Your logic is not clear to me How can the income of my mother-in-law and my parents per capita be connected so to speak, the insulation of each of the houses, their heating methods and the amount of payment for it?
                  9. your1970
                    your1970 15 August 2020 12: 50 New
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                    Electricity
                    Quote: your1970
                    The second half of the house is heated with electricity, 72 sq m, about 3 400...brother-in-law.

                    Quote: your1970
                    At our work in a room with a total area of ​​262 sq m, an electric boiler consumes 9 000 a month, and we open doors and vents when -10 - because it is hot, and the authorities forbid to regulate it ...


                    Gas
                    Quote: your1970
                    I pay on average 2200 in winter a month and it suits me perfectly.
                    - in the summer, it comes out in the range of 300 -350 rubles per month
                    Gas THREE more expensive for you ...

                    Electricity
                    Quote: awdrgy
                    my parents pay about $ 300 for heating with an electric boiler in the winter months in the Russian Federation in a house of 110 square meters

                    120 ue at work (where no one cares about saving) 262sq.m. against your 300 to 110
                    That is, in TWO more than once

                    Something is wrong with your insulation

                    The connection between income, expenses and insulation is direct. Either you warm up and expenses fall, or they have big incomes and they don't care about spending
                  10. awdrgy
                    awdrgy 15 August 2020 20: 53 New
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                    I managed to insulate it as it turned out (although in construction I understand something, sales diploma somewhere lying around but not the point) You, on the contrary, everything is cool, we return to the old rams on the topic- "The task is to determine anonymously which of them is delusional?)" - "And you buy an elephant?")) We are abnormal, why are there? And normal, correct guys pay little Or say, "if you are so smart, why are you so poor?" a room of 16 sq m awesomely insulated (for a small child) and having only one external wall but simply with "excellent" heating from our boiler room (although it still did not deny it reached +15 in the floor area) including occasionally a two-kilometer heater during the day to flood in a month I gave 300 rubles instead of 860 rubles and this was even before the conflict with Ukraine (that is, at those prices) The dispute is pointless because you are trying to show me (or someone) that what I see myself and what surrounds me is illusion and untruth
                  11. your1970
                    your1970 16 August 2020 18: 36 New
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                    Quote: awdrgy
                    The dispute is pointless because you are trying to show me (or someone) that what I see myself and what surrounds me is an illusion and not true

                    The situation is simple - if I spent 6000 on heating, it would mean that I earn minimum 25-000. Alas, my salary is less ... but at the same time it allows you to keep a comfortable temperature in the house at +30 in any frost and spend 000 thousand with a penny ...
                    To spend, as you described to your parents, 300 USD (20) a month and even so it's cool - well, apparently their pensions are big.
                    We have masters who made heating systems with such heating costs (and with the unfortunate 100 sq.m. - not Pugachev castle !!!!) - the bosses would have been torn off in the very first winter, or their legs would have been broken right up to the arms

                    I was not too lazy to ask a friend - he has a 2-storey house (the yard is small, I had to build up) 160 sqm, gas.
                    3800 a month in winter a house (+ a sauna on a wick). But his boiler is expensive (65 000 years ago it cost) - he keeps his temperature there, turns it on / off, a bunch of sensors monitor the weather
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 31 July 2020 14: 30 New
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    And you can also add such trifles as renaming the police to the police (to put it mildly, not very pleasant because they remember the times of the Second World War) The presence on the streets of people of an unusual appearance and culture who are engaged in some kind of "their" affairs about which the locals do not quite know, but when trying to find out ( in general, it's better not to do them) The presence of the capital is not close by with its elite in it, but somewhere there where to go is not that scary, but at least it is unpleasant to stand in lines in sedimentation tanks under cameras in front of metal detectors Yes And while there you can still hear the phrase- "Slavs-Slavs will agree" But in Russia no longer (and this is also a fad) And so the Slavic peoples should be united, but it is too early, unfortunately
  • Johann Klassen
    Johann Klassen 31 July 2020 14: 30 New
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    Amusing and interesting, and most importantly right.
    Or maybe we'd better split up in Russia too?
    And we will live richly and happily, without Moscow, which has long been a "state within a state."
    Let's live like in Bahrain.
    In the 90s, Muscovites acted in the style of "Chechen terrorists", bankrupting and privatizing enterprises.
    And leaving people without wages and pensions.
    But even today there is not a damn job in the provinces.
    And enterprises that survived the occupation and robbery are sold under the hammer.
    Only for some reason, the former state property, which became "Joint Stock Companies", is not needed by anyone today for nothing.
    Such are the pies with kittens.
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy 31 July 2020 14: 58 New
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      - “Maybe we'd better split up in Russia too?” - So Belarus is not divided like. But if you put the question like this, Can Russia join Belarus? At first I laughed when I heard this and then I thought it was a good idea
    2. Roman_vh
      Roman_vh 31 July 2020 15: 50 New
      +3
      May I ask? When have you seen a Muscovite alive? Bahraini Iti ....
  • demos1111
    demos1111 31 July 2020 19: 47 New
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    No, we'd like the blockade better here. And complete paralysis of the economy.
    By the way, our medicine is worse than in Russia. For all the doctors have moved from the Gome region to the Bryansk region.
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy 2 August 2020 00: 33 New
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      Let me disagree with your statement about the quality of medicine, because my child was provided with highly qualified medical assistance in Belarus (the region is not Minsk, but about the same "depressive" as the Gomel region, I apologize for such a comparison, but this is about Minsk) And much more qualified than in Russia (the region is also not Moscow, but a province. True, the province is so "strong" financially) I would especially like to note that the help is free Well, what you like is really your choice for as long as you are And I'm glad that I had the pleasure to communicate with such amazing benevolent and decent people like Belarusians
  • Arpad
    Arpad 1 August 2020 06: 56 New
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    Quote: awdrgy
    This is the question: Will the people in Belarus live better if it becomes a part of today's Russia?

    By the way, the question is on the merits, why did you decide that Belarusians really want to go to Russia.
    Do they have any alternative?
    Honestly . as an example, from the point of view of the quality of life - Russia somehow does not roll.
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy 2 August 2020 00: 13 New
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      Belarusians, like other adequate people around the world, understand that by uniting with a kindred people of a single culture they will become stronger (including the quality of life) Is it a separate question whether it is a union or a single state. And one of the examples of this is conventionally the "Anglo-Saxon world" or its time is conventionally "Germanic world" (it really went on the wrong path Or behaved? -This is another question) Therefore, there really is no alternative, but there is a possibility of postponement if the conventionally "center of power" around which it is customary to unite people of a certain culture is experiencing a crisis ( no matter how different they are) A new center of power may of course appear from the society of culturally related peoples, but for the Eastern Slavs it is not yet visible If we look at the issue from a different angle For example - "a separate person is higher than the society from which he came out" then this is not a Slavic approach and such a person is no longer a Slav, albeit not genetically but spiritually, and therefore his opinion ceases to matter for society, ie in our understanding, he becomes an antisocial outcast and, if possible, leaves for the West to seek a better life among the spiritually related representatives of other cultures (which, however, does not cancel his periodic appearance on our horizon pursuing various goals from nostalgic "spiritual" torments to attempts to justify their worldview, fueled by a certain selfish interest) And in its absence, it tries to "drive the blizzard at home" ramming))
  • Arpad
    Arpad 1 August 2020 06: 53 New
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    Quote: mdsr
    ... But if Russia officially recognizes Tikhanovskaya as president and begins to manage the protest and direct the people, then the security forces may betray the cockroach. It is clinging now in Moscow. Babariko is 100% Russian. It is through their wives that the united opposition of Belarus and Tikhanovskaya is controlled.

    that is, you are saying that Russia is preparing a coup in Belarus?
    In principle, everything is like the United States in Ukraine, just the opposite?
    And who distributes the bagels in this case?
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 31 July 2020 12: 54 New
    +3
    do not need to understand anything. they have nothing to show, and in this way they decided to prove at least something. petty and petty.
  • Annihilator
    Annihilator 31 July 2020 13: 40 New
    +2
    The number of supporters of the coup d'état in Russia at VO will decrease significantly, when he will cut them off :)))
  • Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 31 July 2020 13: 56 New
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    sorry .. scoundrel .. why do we need an enemy ?? when there is such a "friend"!
  • DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 31 July 2020 15: 33 New
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    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    To understand what Lukashenka is seeking.

    I suppose. relatively calm atmosphere and lack of provocations.
    All logistics on the territory of Belarus were provided by a Belarusian company. For unknown reasons, the group did not get on its flight Minsk-Istanbul and had to stay in Belarus while waiting for the purchase of new tickets by the Belarusian company

    The company is not named.
    The reason for missing the Minsk-Istanbul flight and the delay was not named.
    It seems that they were detained correctly.
    And then, whatever you do, - everywhere is joy; letting go - and the opposition and the West will squeal about lying under Russia, to plant - the same will squeal about cowardice and cruelty, and even Russia will join.
    It looks like a well-directed provocation.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 31 July 2020 15: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Understand what Lukashenka wants

    Eternal and undivided power. And for this, the people should not even think about why state borders suddenly lay inside Russia, dividing a single people into several parts. Especially such questions climb into the head of any "unreliable" citizens when comparing salary levels, for example. And here is one way out - "identity" through the imposition of an alternative history (the forcible introduction of a separate language alien to the population, including) and hatred / fear of the rest of Russia stretching across the border. Here the Belarusian "elite" and their Ukrainian "colleagues" are twin brothers, and this brings them closer.
  • avg
    avg 31 July 2020 16: 38 New
    -3
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    To understand what Lukashenka is seeking. Yesterday he said that in connection with the possibility of provocations and the penetration of gangs into the republic during the pre-election time, he will turn off the Internet in the country, partly communications and introduce other restrictions ...

    Fuck knows what he wants, and each of us can answer by stopping buying Belarusian goods. Personally, I will.
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 31 July 2020 18: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: avg
      Fuck knows what he wants, and each of us can answer by stopping buying Belarusian goods. Personally, I will.

      It coincides with the anecdote: "I don't know where Chilivo is, and what is going on there, but if Corvalan is not released tomorrow, I will not go to work!"
      The main thing is that you do not reduce the volume of purchases of Western goods - Western economies need your support. Belarus will do without you.
      "-" to you. hi
      1. avg
        avg 31 July 2020 21: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
        The main thing is that you do not reduce the volume of purchases of Western goods - Western economies need your support. Belarus will do without you.

        I buy domestic. We will see how Belarus will manage without me and will start with traders in the local market. Judging by your ignorance of the anecdotes of the Soviet period, it's too early for you to teach me. And he sounded somewhat different: "Until Louis is not released from the carnival ..."
        Now to the point. Do you condemn the absolutely boorish behavior of Lukashenka, which led to the current crisis in relations? stop
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 31 July 2020 21: 52 New
          -4
          Quote: avg
          Now to the point. Do you condemn the absolutely boorish behavior of Lukashenka, which led to the current crisis in relations?

          I do not see Lukashenka's rudeness in relation to Russia.
          I don’t see it even with regard to the Russian authorities.
          I see toughness in relation to the greedy appetites and actions of the Russian oligarchy that has grown into power.
          Moreover, I approve of this harshness.
          Without it, Belarus would have long been in the same opera as Ukraine. hi
          1. avg
            avg 31 July 2020 22: 58 New
            +5
            Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
            I do not see Lukashenka's rudeness in relation to Russia.

            Of course, if these (far from all) statements are not rudeness, then what are they talking about?
            Russia owes it already because Belarus protects it from NATO ... Russia trembles on its hind legs in front of the Americans and others ... to do there ... Kaliningrad, whether the Russian leadership likes it or not, is the area of ​​responsibility of Belarus. Belarus, and Kazakhstan as well, they have always been under someone's whip, as I often say. Someone pushed us, someone tried to bring us to their knees. Especially in Belarus. All these wars are not ours.
            Have you heard anything similar from Putin? Personally, I'm tired of it.
  • halpat
    halpat 31 July 2020 20: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    To understand what Lukashenka is seeking. Yesterday he said that in connection with the possibility of provocations and the penetration of gangs into the republic during the pre-election time, he will turn off the Internet in the country, partly communications and introduce other restrictions ...

    But father is a typical tyrant of this Khrushchev type.
    And he achieves only one thing: the hereditary transfer of power and wants to live up to this moment.
    If he is promised in the West to be anointed as Emperor of All Belarus with the right to inherit the title, he will sell / surrender everyone in bulk (Russia, Kazakhstan, and so on) the next second after he is convinced that this is true.
    The Americans ought to work with the Pope. Old Man doesn't care who will "anoint" him :))
    American presidents themselves are not good - their age is too short,
    the English queen could recognize him as her distant Belarusian relative ... also somehow shaky.
    only the adoption of Catholicism and the papal bull of the anointing!
    so it turns out.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 31 July 2020 12: 28 New
    22
    Not in VaBank, but to screw up the RF. The situation can get better with the detainees. But there will be a request for extradition from Ukraine, and this is a hassle with the court about the extradition or non-extradition of citizens to Ukraine. And the Russian Federation is not the most caring state on this topic.
    In an amicable way, we need a request to issue them back and, what would be thought better, blocking exports across their border and imports through ours.
    1. figwam
      figwam 31 July 2020 12: 51 New
      +7
      Quote: Zaurbek
      But there will be a request for extradition from Ukraine

      Until this moment, only the USA was engaged in theft of our citizens from third countries, now the student is doing the same. And who was dad now between a rock and a hard place, now he has nowhere to go.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 31 July 2020 12: 56 New
        +2
        This is not stealing .... there is no initial request from the third country ..... this is the initiative of the dad.
        1. figwam
          figwam 31 July 2020 12: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          This is not stealing .... there is no initial request from the third country ..... this is the initiative of the dad.

          And we do not know this, maybe the request was made earlier.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 31 July 2020 13: 00 New
            +4
            Judging by the development of events, the arrest and informing of Kiev about the citizens are the work of the Belarusians.
            1. figwam
              figwam 31 July 2020 13: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Judging by the development of events, the arrest and informing of Kiev about the citizens are the work of the Belarusians.

              Well, this can be a game for the audience, so as not to expose the outskirts, but why onion does this is incomprehensible.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 31 July 2020 13: 04 New
                +1
                In any case, the position of the Russian Federation on this issue is important. And a comparison of relations with the Russian Federation and Ukraine for Belarusians ...
                1. figwam
                  figwam 31 July 2020 13: 08 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  In any case, the position of the Russian Federation on this issue is important.

                  Peskov has already said that people should be released.
              2. Gost2012
                Gost2012 31 July 2020 13: 09 New
                +1
                Ukrainians did not even know about these people until we told them
                1. figwam
                  figwam 31 July 2020 13: 17 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Gost2012
                  Ukrainians did not even know about these people until we told them

                  But for some reason it was reported to the outskirts, and not to Lithuania or Kazakhstan, which means there was a request from there.
                  1. Gost2012
                    Gost2012 31 July 2020 13: 29 New
                    +3
                    Yes, there was no request, we sent information to them ourselves - we took such people here, look, maybe you have a number. This was done deliberately. Specially that was done.
            2. Sklendarka
              Sklendarka 31 July 2020 16: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Judging by the development of events, the arrest and informing of Kiev about the citizens are the work of the Belarusians.

              This is the type I gave the command to knit !!! ????
    2. Terrible
      Terrible GMO 31 July 2020 16: 10 New
      -1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      In an amicable way, you need a request to issue them back

      Your authorities are waiting for three days. Then you need to either release or blame those already arrested.
      Any move is a failure for the AG.
      If he doesn’t release it, the Russian Federation will not understand. If he does not give it to Ukraine, they will remember it. And the EU too.
      In any case, you will have to get out in front of the Belarusians on the gossies. they have already been called militants, terrorists for the Maidan and tied to those who had been imprisoned for a long time on political charges during these 2-3 months.
  • iouris
    iouris 31 July 2020 12: 35 New
    +1
    The total mechanical energy of a closed system of bodies, between which only conservative forces act, remains constant.
    Action will cause opposition (unless the third force is affected). Lukashenka as a medium causes the action of third forces.
  • Most kind
    Most kind 31 July 2020 12: 42 New
    -14
    These are not Belarusians in the abank, ours are sending them another loan, just through Kiev, and who else wants to volunteer, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation has prepared a concern
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 31 July 2020 12: 51 New
    +8
    It seems that Lukashenka did not understand what he can get on his cheek! And the Kremlin needs to prevent the transfer of these people to the Kiev dictatorship at ANY PRICE, otherwise they will not be alive for long!
    1. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 31 July 2020 13: 28 New
      +7
      And the Kremlin needs to prevent the transfer of these people to the Kiev dictatorship at ANY PRICE

      I'm ready for the minuses, but in my opinion, there is a high probability that they will be exchanged like pawns in a big political game. It will be a pity for the guys.
      If I am wrong, I will gladly repent.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 31 July 2020 12: 55 New
    10
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    the Belarusian side decided to go all-in

    This is not all-in, this is a declaration of war. What Lukashenka is counting on is not clear at all. I moved out completely.
  • alone
    alone 31 July 2020 13: 14 New
    +3
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    It turns out that the Belarusian side decided to go all-in.

    Lukashenka has nothing to lose, so he acts openly
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 31 July 2020 13: 22 New
    +5
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    It turns out that the Belarusian side decided to go all-in.

    We are waiting for the next Maidan already in Minsk. Soon new cries about "non-brothers", an association with Europe. Etc. Sorry for people. repeat
  • Mikhalych
    Mikhalych 31 July 2020 14: 32 New
    0
    It turns out that the Belarusian side decided to go all-in.

    It turns out that the northern fur-bearing animal will visit his father in the elections
  • demos1111
    demos1111 31 July 2020 15: 57 New
    +1
    Not. It turns out that Russia has shrunk.
    What would the Tsar (Romanov) do, what would Stalin do? I would give 24 hours and, after the expiration, would bring in troops, and then leave them exactly on the gifts of the Russian people.
    And so only on paper, we do not abandon ours. Vova Putin may not be a bad ruler, but for today he is very soft both with an internal enemy and with an external one.
    1. your1970
      your1970 2 August 2020 19: 45 New
      0
      Quote: demos1111
      What would the Tsar (Romanov) do, what would Stalin do? I would give 24 hours and after the expiration I would introduce troops, and then leave them exactly on the gifts of the Russian people

      And if the population is VS? What then ??? An occupation???!!!!!!
      What will we do, if, for example, a partisan action against US starts there ???
      What then ???????
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  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 31 July 2020 16: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    It turns out that the Belarusian side decided to go all-in.

    I went along the path of breaking-quarrel with Russia .. Eh! Belarusians! The Union State ... One activist sat on two chairs in Ukraine ... Now he is hiding in Russia ... Give him out on svidomites! Maybe Lukashenka will connect his head to the thinking process.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 31 July 2020 23: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    It turns out that the Belarusian side decided to go all-in.

    It turns out that Luke has become a rat.
  • Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 31 July 2020 12: 13 New
    +5
    Minsk handed over lists of Russians detained in Belarus to Kiev

    I watch the EurAsEC grows stronger and majestic.)
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 31 July 2020 13: 14 New
      -2
      Here the fault is exclusively of the leadership of the Russian Federation. It was never necessary to play luli-turquoise with dad, Armenians and Ukrainians. It is necessary like China and the Africans - they gave money ... and they took something in return. And the elite must study and teach children in the Russian Federation. Both the military and the GB must work. And our people do not understand what they were doing there. They stole gas together, or smuggled through them.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 31 July 2020 13: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Here the fault is exclusively of the leadership of the Russian Federation. It was never necessary to play luli-turquoise with dad, Armenians and Ukrainians.

        What would you do in the place of the leadership of the Russian Federation?
        Quote: Zaurbek
        It is necessary like China and the Africans - they gave money ... and they took something in return.

        And what about China and the Africans, explain, otherwise I don’t know? And one more thing, China does not border on Africa, unlike ..
        repeat
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 31 July 2020 13: 53 New
          +3
          China did so - gave money on credit Client did not give it away and China took deposits with minerals
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 31 July 2020 13: 58 New
            -2
            Quote: Zaurbek
            China took away deposits with minerals

            Well, here I don't know if I took it or not. But from Russia, they always take away, and the loan, and what the loan was given. Here the leadership burns not childishly ... request
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 31 July 2020 15: 37 New
              +1
              The only hope is that earlier they gave away the people's money ... and now everyone else's.
          2. your1970
            your1970 2 August 2020 19: 48 New
            0
            Quote: Zaurbek
            money on credit The client did not give it away and China took the deposits with minerals

            If tomorrow the locals cut out all the Chinese nafig, then what will China do? To fight?
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 2 August 2020 20: 09 New
              0
              There are bases for this ... a couple of villages will be poured with napalm. Previously, their own substations, GSM, will also turn off the Internet.
              1. your1970
                your1970 2 August 2020 21: 35 New
                0
                Quote: Zaurbek
                There are bases for this ... a couple of villages will be poured with napalm.

                Give an example, if not difficult ... Whom China poured with napalm?
                Quote: Zaurbek
                Previously, their own substations, GSM, will also turn off the Internet.
                Well, yes ... Only the local population may not notice this ... It's not in Russia or Europe to cut off the connection, it's Africa
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 2 August 2020 23: 17 New
                  0
                  The main thing here is that they would not post it on the social network .... and the Hindus are doing genocide no worse than others.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 31 July 2020 12: 14 New
    +8
    It's not clear what's going on what why did Lukashenka suddenly decide to give such gifts to Ukraine?
    1. NIKN
      NIKN 31 July 2020 12: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: The same Lech
      It's not clear what's going on what why did Lukashenka suddenly decide to give such gifts to Ukraine?

      What is there not to understand? The rallies are financed and organized by the West. Lukashenka is not held in high esteem there. So he proves that he does not interfere with them, bourgeois. Only this will not solve anything, only the deterioration of relations is not for the election period, it will be longer.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 31 July 2020 12: 35 New
        +8
        What is there not to understand? The rallies are financed and organized by the West. Lukashenka is not held in high esteem there.

        What do our transit countries have to do with the elections in Belarus?
        Why is Lukashenko aggravating his already bad situation? what
      2. Terrible
        Terrible GMO 31 July 2020 16: 13 New
        0
        Quote: NIKNN
        The rallies are financed and organized by the West.

        You decide who organizes. laughing The KGB made it clear - this is the hand of the Kremlin laughing
    2. gurzuf
      gurzuf 31 July 2020 12: 38 New
      0
      Probably he expects to spend the rest of his life with his Kolenka somewhere in the Troeschyna, and not in the Rostov region.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 31 July 2020 12: 42 New
        +5
        In my opinion, Lukashenka, as an ally of Russia, is very unreliable ... constant shuffling from one side to the other is an integral feature of Lukashenka ... therefore, you need to do business with him only by firmly holding his Faberge ... otherwise it will not work ... he will put a pig on us as well as Yanukovych.
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 31 July 2020 13: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: The same Lech
          therefore, it is only necessary to do business with him by holding him firmly by the Faberge ...

          In general, nothing is clear. Who the pug barks at if his entire economy is tied to Russia. Before whom he serves, if in the west, he has prospects, only in The Hague. Or in the simplicity of his soul, he thinks that the West will forgive him everything? My gods, how many stupid people are, but when stupid politicians, petty, and even with universal ambitions, it is worse from a hundred thousand times. We were expecting a coup in Ukraine in the fall, and a coup in the summer in Belarus.
        2. gurzuf
          gurzuf 31 July 2020 14: 06 New
          0
          ... he will put a pig on us just like Yanukovych. Well, if something like Yanukovych ... then Minsk will be ours?
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 31 July 2020 12: 51 New
      0
      Rather, to the West, "Ukraine" is now nothing of itself.
    4. sabakina
      sabakina 31 July 2020 12: 56 New
      0
      Quote: The same Lech
      It's not clear what's going on what why did Lukashenka suddenly decide to give such gifts to Ukraine?

      Maybe a villa was promised in Florida? recourse
    5. Brturin
      Brturin 31 July 2020 13: 11 New
      0
      Quote: The same Lech
      why suddenly Lukashenka

      All of a sudden? In March, when asked why Belarus does not restore air traffic with Crimea, VVP - “Do not put the President of Belarus in a difficult situation. He wants to build such good-neighborly relations with Ukraine, I think this is the whole point, and not in economic expediency or in the absence of such for carriers "
    6. Tank hard
      Tank hard 31 July 2020 13: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech
      It is not clear what is happening with why Lukashenka suddenly decided to make such gifts to Ukraine?

      Yes, everything is clear. waiting for the Belarusian Maidan, here's one curious, "father" as well as shelter in Russia as Yanukovych and Akaev, when he is chased?
  • cniza
    cniza 31 July 2020 12: 14 New
    12
    Has Old Man lost his last brains?
  • zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 31 July 2020 12: 16 New
    10
    The dad decided to "marry at any cost."
  • Pereira
    Pereira 31 July 2020 12: 16 New
    14
    It looks like the old man has played out.
    1. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 31 July 2020 12: 19 New
      +9
      Yes, no matter how lost ...
  • 1536
    1536 31 July 2020 12: 17 New
    27
    How many Russian citizens should be simultaneously arrested abroad for the Government to finally wake up and take some practical steps to stop this tram rudeness and provocations?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 31 July 2020 12: 19 New
      -8
      The government finally woke up and took some practical steps to stop this tram rudeness and provocations?

      How do you imagine the methods of influence of the Russian government on Lukashenka?
      We have the same type of union state ... everything should be done within the framework of the CIS. smile
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 31 July 2020 12: 21 New
        +1
        Very simple. Detain several citizens of Belarus, pull them up to ISIS (an organization banned in the Russian Federation) and exchange them for ours. Quite an adequate answer.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 31 July 2020 12: 23 New
          +1
          Detain several citizens of Belarus, pull them up to ISIS (an organization banned in the Russian Federation) and exchange them for ours.

          It won't work ... Lukashenka will shout about betrayal of Russia as an ally. what
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 31 July 2020 12: 28 New
            0
            Alas, we were not the first to start.
          2. bar
            bar 31 July 2020 12: 38 New
            +5
            Lukashenko will scream of betrayal of Russia as an ally

            He squealed already. Russia attempted a coup in Belarus. What allies are there. The move is for Russia, will take something concrete or once again wipe out Batkin's spit.
        2. gurzuf
          gurzuf 31 July 2020 12: 39 New
          +2
          With someone like this disgusting dad, that's right.
        3. prior
          prior 31 July 2020 13: 50 New
          -2
          You are already ready to attract citizens of Belarus who are not involved in ISIS. Or shoot him right away?
          And it would be enough for PMKashniks to fly on AEROFLOT flights and not be late for the flight.
          And there would be no problem.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 31 July 2020 14: 11 New
            0
            PMKshniks followed in transit and did not commit any actions in relation to Belarus. That is, they are not involved. They were detained. So: what is the question - this is the answer. Adequate answer.
            1. Region68
              Region68 31 July 2020 20: 00 New
              +1
              How do you know
            2. Arpad
              Arpad 1 August 2020 07: 00 New
              -3
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              PMCs were in transit

              In general, transit means being in the airport building, waiting for the next flight.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 1 August 2020 10: 19 New
                0
                I went, like that, to Barcelona. With an overnight stay in a German motel. This is also a transit.
        4. Tank hard
          Tank hard 31 July 2020 13: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Very simple. Detain several citizens of Belarus, pull them up to ISIS (an organization banned in the Russian Federation) and exchange them for ours. Quite an adequate answer.

          Here, after all, what an ambush ... Start to put pressure on the "father", the nationalist opposition will raise its head and another "Maidan", not to put pressure on him, all one Maidan but later. Here the pitchforks climb from all sides. request
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 31 July 2020 12: 29 New
        +9
        Quote: The same Lech
        How do you imagine the methods of influence of the Russian government on Lukashenka?

        mass from purely economic to very unpopular, only will is needed
        Lukash that counts that his filthy (literally) eggs (I'm talking about chicken eggs from Belarus) are needed in Europe
        or is there a queue of Germans for MTZ products? !!!
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 31 July 2020 14: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          or there is a queue of Germans for MTZ products

          Europe clearly showed their neighbors when the proposal for import substitution was followed by a letter from the EU ambassador - "In our opinion, this will be a significant violation of the specified foundations of equal treatment and non-discrimination"
          As for MTZ - Chairman of the Council of Ministers Roman Golovchenko- "to attract financing from these manufacturers here. All global manufacturers want to participate in tenders. One of the conditions of the plant is that they must come with their own money. So that this does not fall on the budget in any way" https: / /regnum.ru/news/economy/2994208.html. We will see who comes "with their money".
          Russia apparently decided to invest on its territory - the press service of the governor of the Rostov region reported that the investment policy of Rostselmash provides for the construction of a tractor plant, paint and varnish production, as well as the production of aggregates and equipment with a total investment of 19 billion Russian rubles until 2024.
          https://news.tut.by/economics/693012.html
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 31 July 2020 13: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: The same Lech
        We have the same type of union state ... everything should be done within the framework of the CIS.

        In fact of the matter is that of the "union" type. Disconnect the impudent gas, let it spin. I repeat, the entire economy of Belarus is tied to Russia, methods of influence, a lot. That is, on his part, he takes Russian citizens hostage (he also threatens to extradite them to Ukraine), and Russia must fulfill some of its "allied" obligations.
        1. mdsr
          mdsr 31 July 2020 16: 30 New
          -1
          Quote: orionvitt
          Disconnect the impudent gas, let it spin.

          How sharp and determined you are laughing Lukashenka is sitting on both a gas and an oil pipe.
          Here the Kremlin has a different idea - to remove the cockroach by the hands of the Belarusians themselves. wink
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 31 July 2020 16: 41 New
          0
          Old Man has already stolen the bank branch of Gazprom - and you are talking about some kind of extradition.
  • GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 31 July 2020 12: 17 New
    12
    And this is our "ally" ....
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 31 July 2020 12: 26 New
      +4
      As it turned out, the first group of Russians had already been sent abroad from Minsk two weeks earlier. And the detained "militants" were the second group awaiting the same dispatch.


      https://politobzor.net/219524-lovushka-dlya-lukashenko-minsk-pereputal-metody-raboty-ssha-i-rossii-na-vyborah.html?utm_campaign=auction belay

      It looks like Lukashenka has set himself up in full.
    2. bar
      bar 31 July 2020 12: 39 New
      +7
      And this is our "ally" ....

      With allies like that, no enemies are needed ...
  • Strashila
    Strashila 31 July 2020 12: 20 New
    +6
    "Belarus handed over to Ukraine a list of detained Russians, all of them will be checked for participation in hostilities in the Donbass."
    1. prior
      prior 31 July 2020 13: 56 New
      +1
      And I suppose you personally participated in this and personally handed the lists to the SBU?
      The journalists published the names of the detainees in the media, which is enough to find out citizenship.
      And now other journalists are writing about the transfer of the lists. And this is not a fake for an hour, not a gasoline in the fire?
  • yfast
    yfast 31 July 2020 12: 23 New
    -6
    No one, except, perhaps, the commander, the boys in White Russia did not want to. Not always the shortest route to Honolulu is through the pre-election agitated Lukashenka.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 31 July 2020 12: 24 New
    12
    Father must give up. As before on Saakeshvle and Porshenka. There is no more daddy, and let him not pack his suitcases to Rostov. Herself ...
    1. Sanche
      Sanche 31 July 2020 13: 25 New
      +2
      Finally it came. As it happened earlier with the "brothers", so with the "father" it will come
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    3. mdsr
      mdsr 31 July 2020 14: 04 New
      -4
      Quote: faterdom
      Father must give up. As before on Saakeshvle and Porshenka. There is no more daddy

      You, I see, still do not understand. So, the current protest movement in Belarus is controlled by Moscow. Tsepkalo, Tikhanovsky and Babariko are our candidates. "Late for the flight" PMC employees had to stay until the end of the election battles and, at a certain moment, take part in them. The cockroach decided to be ahead of the curve. Now these people are in his hostages.
      Quote: faterdom
      let him not pack his suitcases to Rostov. Sama-sama

      This will be an offer to him, from which he cannot refuse, at a certain moment. I hope that all our plans will be implemented and the issues with the cockroach and Belarus will be resolved in our favor, as planned.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 31 July 2020 14: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: mdsr
        You may still not understand, but now, the current protest movement in Belarus is controlled by Moscow. Tsepkalo, Tikhanovsky and Babariko are our candidates. "Late for the flight" PMC employees had to stay until the end of the election battles and, at a certain moment, take part in them. The cockroach decided to be ahead of the curve. Now these people are in his hostages.

        No, I don't understand that. What kind of "great minds" came up with such an "operation"? laughing
        1. mdsr
          mdsr 31 July 2020 14: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Tank Hard
          What kind of "great minds" came up with such an "operation"?

          On the contrary, they had a good alibi for being on the territory of Belarus. This is for people they "missed the flight" laughing and in their explanations to the Belarusian authorities, they referred to the need to settle the newly arisen questions with the host side. Well, nothing, there is no war without losses. Operation "Belarusian Summer" continues. We will see many more interesting things soon fellow
  • anjey
    anjey 31 July 2020 12: 24 New
    10
    Old Man is playing a bad game, just not for himself, but for Western sponsors. To get the status of a half-dictator there? And to outplay them, the pro-Western opposition? Moreover, he wants to troll and blackmail Russia, flirting with Banderostan, taking Russian citizens hostage.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 31 July 2020 12: 24 New
    +9
    Podlenko ..
  • parusnik
    parusnik 31 July 2020 12: 25 New
    0
    But in fact: the Union State of Russia and Belarus transferred the lists of citizens of the union state to Ukraine ..
    1. prior
      prior 31 July 2020 14: 29 New
      0
      I don’t believe the specialists leaked the information before the end of the investigation.
      Most likely, the journalists bought the lists from the registration books and stamped them in the media.
      And then each of these lists turns, how profitable.
      For example: If the guys were flying to Turkey with Russian passports, how can you get Ukrainian citizenship out of a Russian passport?
      Oh, and everything is dull ...
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 31 July 2020 12: 26 New
    +4
    and lukash in general demolished the attic?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 31 July 2020 12: 50 New
      +6
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      and lukash in general demolished the attic?

      It will take down when so many people came to a rally against Lukashenka. And there is no one else to expect help.
      1. Angelo Provolone
        Angelo Provolone 31 July 2020 13: 08 New
        0
        coronavirus, however
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 31 July 2020 13: 59 New
          0
          that's how it is you are lying the other day admitted that he had been ill
          1. figwam
            figwam 31 July 2020 14: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            that's how it is you are lying the other day admitted that he had been ill

            He suffered on his feet, apparently with consequences.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 31 July 2020 16: 34 New
              0
              Quote: figvam
              apparently with consequences.

              and for a long time
      2. prior
        prior 31 July 2020 14: 44 New
        -6
        Photo of most likely opposition media, BELSAT - that's for sure. And it is not a fact that all those gathered for the rally will vote against the current president.
        But.
        These guys are strange Russians. After all, if the opposition blows away Lukashenka, so unloved by them, it means the end of the union state and that the missiles of NATO countries will be stationed near Smolensk tomorrow. To Moscow 15 minutes by flight. Well, after all, beauty, really.
        But everyone stubbornly drowns Lukashenka.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 31 July 2020 15: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: prior
          But everyone stubbornly drowns Lukashenka.

          They don't drown, but he is already 66 years old. Well, he will serve one more term, and then you will still have to put another one. And all the same, instead of him, there will be a pro-Russian president.
          1. prior
            prior 31 July 2020 15: 43 New
            +1
            My brother lives in Minsk. And he is also not happy with Lukashenka. But when I asked him: "Do you want such a turnover of presidents as in Ukraine?" Instead of answering, he thought hard.
            Or maybe Kolya is not the worst option, at least you won't have to break the country for yourself?
            1. Darkesstcat
              Darkesstcat 31 July 2020 15: 49 New
              +1
              And return the money spent by sponsors for the campaign.)
            2. Arpad
              Arpad 1 August 2020 07: 03 New
              -3
              Quote: prior
              "Do you want such a turnover of presidents as in Ukraine?"

              why is it so bad?
          2. Arpad
            Arpad 1 August 2020 07: 02 New
            -3
            Quote: tihonmarine
            They don't drown, but he is already 66 years old

            Indeed. Putin is much younger - he is 67 yes
        2. demos1111
          demos1111 31 July 2020 16: 15 New
          +6
          NATO missiles will not be stationed near Smolensk, just as they are not standing near Odessa either.
          But the fact that you, like me, will have nothing to eat in Minsk is a fact.
          About Gomel, Orsha, Borisov, I generally keep quiet.
          We sit here and think, and what generally Belarusians can offer the European market besides whores and drank ... owls?
          Maybe the new bulbs will tell you?
          1. Arpad
            Arpad 1 August 2020 07: 05 New
            -3
            Quote: demos1111
            But the fact that you, like me, will have nothing to eat in Minsk is a fact.
            About Gomel, Orsha, Borisov, I generally keep quiet.
            We sit here and think, and what generally Belarusians can offer the European market besides whores and drank ... owls?

            Ie you assert. that everything that Belarus produces is crap, at best suitable for third world countries?
        3. Terrible
          Terrible GMO 31 July 2020 16: 21 New
          0
          Quote: prior
          Photo most likely opposition media, BELSAT

          Do not believe the photo, look for others. For example from Here buy. The sky was full of copters. Don't you want to believe the media? There is a statement from the Ministry of Internal Affairs who, with a heartbeat, acknowledged that only 18-20 thousand passed through the detectors. They didn’t even count those who didn’t squeeze through the “suddenly” set fences.
          Quote: prior
          And it is not a fact that all those gathered for the rally will vote against the current president.

          Well, the Ministry of Internal Affairs will definitely not vote at the rally. Fearfully
        4. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 31 July 2020 16: 36 New
          0
          Quote: prior
          Photo of most likely opposition media, BELSAT - that's for sure. And it is not a fact that all those gathered for the rally will vote against the current president.

          have any complaints about the photo?
          well, like installation, not there, at the wrong time?
          1. prior
            prior 31 July 2020 17: 15 New
            -1
            "have any complaints about the photo?"
            No.
            Our peoples love the show, in Khabarovsk, in Minsk, in other places.
            I think the pro-Lukashenka media would not have published a photo of the rally of the opposing side with a large number of participants. Therefore, he noted that most likely this is a photo of the opposition media.
  • Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 31 July 2020 12: 31 New
    0
    In my opinion, the Belarusian Maidan is notably shaking Lukashenka. It looks like some kind of hysteria or even panic. And besides, this is generally the behavior of a non-union state.
    1. mdsr
      mdsr 31 July 2020 14: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Malkavianin
      And besides, this is generally the behavior of a non-union state.

      The main ally decided to make a real ally out of his younger brother, and not a paper one. I believe this is correct. It has long been overripe. I wrote about the need for this back in 2015. And now, the time has come for this. I hope everything will be done without blood, well, or a little blood.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 31 July 2020 12: 34 New
    -1
    Yes, calm down ukrpropoganda in action. Wait for the statement of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Father needs to keep his face. Even there is nothing to comment on. What do you want from the Black Sea diggers?
  • maksud13
    maksud13 31 July 2020 12: 38 New
    0
    Quote: parusnik
    But in fact: the Union State of Russia and Belarus transferred the lists of citizens of the union state to Ukraine ..

    1) Lists have already been published on the Internet
    2) These lists were passed on to the ambassadors of Russia and Ukraine at a meeting at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Belarus, since some of the detainees had both Ukrainian and Russian passports.
    3) I am sure that there was a similar appeal to the competent authorities of Russia with a request to commit crimes - this is a common practice
    4) If a Belarusian or a group of Belarusians gets caught preparing anti-government protests, won't the reaction of the competent authorities be the same? Unless, I agree, everything will be much quieter - without the election hype
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 31 July 2020 13: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: maksud13
      If a Belarusian or a group of Belarusians is caught preparing anti-government protests, won't the reaction of the competent authorities be the same?

      and someone ... got caught on this in Belarus? belay
      1. maksud13
        maksud13 31 July 2020 13: 19 New
        -4
        And you don’t alter, I didn’t write that Russians were “caught” in Belarus !! That's a bad habit of juggling !!
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 31 July 2020 13: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: maksud13
          And you don’t alter, I didn’t write that Russians were “caught” in Belarus !!

          why is your
          If a Belarusian or a group of Belarusians is caught preparing anti-government protests, is not the same will there be a reaction from competent authorities?
          ?
          "Same" is not about Belarus? fool
    2. Gost2012
      Gost2012 31 July 2020 13: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: maksud13
      on the preparation of anti-government speeches


      and who fell for such training?
      it looks like you ... in your face, it will rain
  • Vladyka Ecumenical
    Vladyka Ecumenical 31 July 2020 12: 42 New
    +3
    This is about the fact that Belarusians are our brothers, Ukrainians are our brothers, everyone in the world is such good partners and friends, everyone wishes us all the best and other snot ...
    By the way, Belarusians have always been closer to the Ukrainians, always, and the ties were closer and closer in mentality. They will also always consider Crimea as Ukrainian. And in the case of kipesh, they will accept a minimum of neutrality, or even be mildly against Russia.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 31 July 2020 12: 42 New
    +3
    Lukash is heading straight for a new aggravation of relations. I got into these PMC games, we can say a sacred question for us now and one of our favorite toys)
    He will soon receive a response in the form of pesticides found in Belarusian potatoes or carcinogens in Belarusian milk and an epic investigation of Belarusian corruption on Channel One ^ __ ^
    1. shed
      shed 31 July 2020 12: 52 New
      -1
      and if they don’t understand the hot water, I understand you correctly, stupid person
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      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 31 July 2020 13: 37 New
        +5
        The Union is bursting at the seams, unfortunately ... In principle, wherever you look in the former CIS, our military facilities were leaving everywhere year after year, sometimes they were squeezed out by lease, sometimes politically - probably with Belarus it is necessary to prepare for this ahead of time. For many years now, I have not seen a real development of the situation in a positive way - neither with the Union State, nor simply with integration - on the contrary, there are some kind of conflict situations with more and more epic passions. The old man is increasingly showing the qualities of a hysterical mother in foreign policy, and although this makes it possible to "solve questions" - the string cannot twist indefinitely. Such an image of an ally is clearly not what we would like to see (but in fact, we now need a spectacular "ceremonial" ally).

        So behind all this talk about alliance and brotherhood - in the neighbor. for years we will gradually creep out of Belarus, Belarus will gradually squeeze us out. But at the same time, formally everything will be like old for a very long time.
        1. panov_panov
          panov_panov 31 July 2020 14: 11 New
          +4
          Unfortunately for the existence of the former republics of the USSR, most of which have never had statehood, the leaders of these ethno formations are a priori always negative in the image of Russia, a prison of peoples, invaders, colonizers, enslavers. This is inevitable, otherwise how to explain to your population why they left the USSR if it was better to live there)) If you start reading the history textbooks of these independent states, your ears curl up into a tube, and your eyes begin to crawl out of their orbits, what has been written there)).
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 31 July 2020 14: 17 New
            0
            Quote: panov_panov
            Unfortunately for the existence of the former republics of the USSR, most of which have never had statehood, the leaders of these ethno formations are a priori always negative in the image of Russia, a prison of peoples, invaders, colonizers, enslavers. This is inevitable, otherwise how to explain to your population why they left the USSR if it was better to live there)) If you start reading the history textbooks of these independent states, your ears curl up into a tube, and your eyes begin to crawl out of their orbits, what is written there)

            Totally agree with you. hi
          2. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 31 July 2020 15: 09 New
            +2
            It's just not clear to me why bother with them, while with a written bag. No, I understand, in words, brothers and a historical and cultural balblabla, but who prevents themselves from sculpting a comfortable information and cultural environment and owning minds, completely hammering the bolt on all this feeding from the hand and endless games with ceremonial meetings and epic shutdowns and openings of gas valves. We wish from these states some kind of leavened vassalage that smells of ancient Persia, they want from us a golden rain, pouring down on the fields of their jambs every time the next king goes wild.

            But if you look at all these things from above - I mean from the top of history - we observe that at moments of history that are really necessary for us - we cannot reach what is not part of our country / empire - we cannot effectively control, use, modernize - without experiencing the growing resistance of local elites who are pulling money and preferences from us.
            This is me talking about military infrastructure facilities - all these over-the-horizon radars, military bases, objects of space control and infrastructure, gas pipes - in a number of directions we were forced to leave and build replacements on our own or bypassing them.
            This is me and the notorious "import substitution" - when the cooperative enterprises of our neighbors simply turned out to be even less accessible than foreign ones, for even less clear reasons.

            It seems to me that it is time for our country to rethink our foreign policy towards the former republics of the USSR - we spent a lot of money on emptiness and beautiful integration dead ends, and unfortunately we continue to spend in some kind of maniacal desire to preserve a beautiful external picture and this crumbling parody of the EU.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 31 July 2020 18: 24 New
              +3
              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              It seems to me that it is time for our country to rethink our foreign policy towards the former republics of the USSR - we spent a lot of money on emptiness and beautiful integration dead ends, and unfortunately we continue to spend in some kind of maniacal desire to preserve a beautiful external picture and this crumbling parody of the EU.

              I agree with you. And the first step is to give ALL Russians in the republics of the former USSR what should have been given for a very long time - Russian citizenship, to everyone and without any conditions, if possible, help with relocation, housing, work. it is necessary that everyone can see that Russia does not give a damn about its own. So that people know that they are remembered and they are the children of their Mother. In the meantime, citizenship is distributed to every Depardieu and the like, there will be no sense. hi
              1. demos1111
                demos1111 31 July 2020 20: 20 New
                0
                It seems that you are reasoning correctly. But there is one but. My grandfather got a disability in the war, defending this land, his brother lies between Mogilev and Gomel.
                You decided to give these lands to the Poles? Or how are you going to keep them if we, the Russians, will dump you in Russia.
                No, another option is closer to me personally, I have two allies, an army and a navy, (the Russian army and the Russian navy). I know this, and I would like Belarusians, Georgians, Lithuanians, Poles and so on to know it.
                They want for the good, we can for the good, they want for the bad, Count Suvorov will help them. And no pardon.

                And what you are suggesting is flight. And surrender.
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 31 July 2020 21: 11 New
                  +1
                  Quote: demos1111
                  You decided to give these lands to the Poles? Or how are you going to keep them if we, the Russians, will dump you in Russia.

                  Are you proposing to fight the Belarusians ?! This is Belarus, not Russia. There are maps generally recognized by the world and the UN of the country. Do you offer Russia to occupy Belarus ?! And the opinion of citizens who consider themselves Belarusians, and their country is independent, you asked ?! If you personally do not want to return to Russia, this is your right, but there is no point in fighting for you. And I mean those Russians. to whom Russia is important. who were abandoned in the countries of Central Asia, for example, who want to have Russian citizenship, but who must obtain it on the same grounds. as citizens of Azerbaijan, Armenia and others, Armenian, Azeri, Kazakh nationalities. This is somewhat humiliating for the Russians, in my opinion.
                  Quote: demos1111
                  And what you are suggesting is flight. And surrender

                  Enchanting nonsense.
                  1. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 1 August 2020 11: 20 New
                    +1
                    But what about those who have only one Russian parent?
                    1. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 1 August 2020 16: 23 New
                      0
                      Quote: Sergej1972
                      But what about those who have only one Russian parent?

                      If he considers himself Russian, is recorded as Russian, then he is Russian. request
                2. Arpad
                  Arpad 1 August 2020 07: 10 New
                  -3
                  Quote: demos1111
                  No, another option is closer to me personally, I have two allies, an army and a navy, (the Russian army and the Russian navy). I know this, and I would like Belarusians, Georgians, Lithuanians, Poles and so on to know it.

                  Are you a citizen of Belarus?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 31 July 2020 12: 43 New
    0
    - Kiev does not recognize the second citizenship and everyone who has a Ukrainian passport are citizens of Ukraine.
    This means that 140 Crimeans who have received Ukrainian passports, Russia also should not recognize dual citizenship.
    1. cniza
      cniza 31 July 2020 13: 06 New
      -1
      In Russia, dual citizenship is not prohibited ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 31 July 2020 13: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        In Russia, dual citizenship is not prohibited.

        On this occasion, you can and prohibit.
        1. cniza
          cniza 31 July 2020 14: 16 New
          +1
          What for ? it does not interfere ...
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 31 July 2020 14: 22 New
        +1
        You are confusing dual citizenship, which is very rarely widespread in the world, and a person having a different citizenship. On the territory of the Russian Federation, a citizen of the Russian Federation, even if he has at least ten foreign citizenships, is considered exclusively as a citizen of the Russian Federation. Nobody, in case of committing crimes, will not summon the consul or consuls of foreign states. On the other hand, for an American who also has Russian citizenship, no one will call the Russian consul for protection. But if, for example, a citizen of the Russian Federation with a different citizenship ends up on the territory of a third country, there may be different options.
        1. Arpad
          Arpad 1 August 2020 07: 13 New
          -2
          Quote: Sergej1972
          You are confusing dual citizenship, which is very rare in the world

          very common
          Quote: Sergej1972
          On the territory of the Russian Federation, a citizen of the Russian Federation, whether he has at least ten foreign citizenships, is considered exclusively as a citizen of the Russian Federation

          as in any country. any citizen of this country, even if he has 10 others
          Quote: Sergej1972
          Nobody, in case of committing crimes, will not summon the consul or consuls of foreign states.

          will be eligible.
          Quote: Sergej1972
          But if, for example, a citizen of the Russian Federation with a different citizenship ends up on the territory of a third country, there may be different options.

          i.e. 7
          if a citizen of Russia and, say, having US citizenship. will be on the territory of Zimbabwe 7 I. what ?
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 1 August 2020 11: 30 New
            +1
            Probably, it will depend on how he will position himself and the consulate of which country he will turn for help. It is popular here about the differences between dual citizenship and second citizenship.https: //immigrantinvest.com/blog/dual-citizenship/
            Now I have refreshed my memory, read the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Law on Citizenship. Unfortunately, in our Constitution and the Law on Citizenship there is an expansive concept of dual citizenship, which, in my opinion, is incorrect. From the Law: "Article 6. Dual citizenship
            1. A citizen of the Russian Federation who also has other citizenship is considered by the Russian Federation only as a citizen of the Russian Federation, with the exception of cases provided for by an international treaty of the Russian Federation or federal law.
            2. The acquisition by a citizen of the Russian Federation of another citizenship does not entail the termination of the citizenship of the Russian Federation. "Http://www.consultant.ru/cons/cgi/online.cgi? Req = doc & base = LAW & n = 351276 & fld = 134 & dst = 100039,0 & rnd = 0.9163945271661731 # 017538230226924356
            It turns out that dual citizenship and second citizenship are dumped in one heap. And even in Soviet times, the teachers told us that dual citizenship and second citizenship, that is, a citizen has a different citizenship, is not exactly the same thing.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 31 July 2020 14: 26 New
      +2
      On the territory of the Russian Federation, these Crimeans are considered exclusively Russian citizens, the presence of Ukrainian or other citizenship does not matter. Except, of course, for a number of restrictions related to the civil service. If they commit crimes, no one here will allow them to provide consular and other support from Ukraine. But when they enter the territory of Ukraine, the Ukrainian authorities will be considered exclusively citizens of Ukraine, and the fact that they have Russian citizenship will not matter to the Ukrainian authorities. In general, these people should consider whether to sit on two chairs.
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 31 July 2020 20: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Sergej1972
        In general, these people should consider whether to sit on two chairs.

        Maybe not everyone wants two, as I don’t know now, but in 2017 - As Pavel Krasheninnikov, head of the State Duma Committee on State Construction and Legislation, explained, “it is now impossible to obtain a certificate of renunciation of citizenship from Ukraine,” and noted that “this is a known fact” ... https://topwar.ru/120277-duma-razreshila-ukraincam-poluchat-pasport-rf-bez-spravki-ob-otkaze-ot-grazhdanstva-ukrainy.html
      2. Arpad
        Arpad 1 August 2020 07: 15 New
        -2
        Quote: Sergej1972
        On the territory of the Russian Federation, these Crimeans are considered exclusively Russian citizens, the presence of Ukrainian or other citizenship does not matter.

        are considered Russian citizens, only people with Russian citizenship.
        Quote: Sergej1972
        If they commit crimes, no one here will allow them to provide consular and other support from Ukraine.

        Ukraine does not recognize dual citizenship, i.e. to get a Russian one, you must, in general, leave the Ukrainian one.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 1 August 2020 10: 30 New
          +1
          The Russian Federation and most countries of the world do not recognize dual citizenship. But you are confusing terms. Read legal literature. Dual citizenship and a citizen having a different citizenship are two different things. I repeat. A Crimean with a Russian passport is an exclusively Russian citizen for the Russian authorities. Regardless of whether he is a citizen of Ukraine and the fact that the authorities of the latter do not give way to his request to renounce Ukrainian citizenship.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 31 July 2020 12: 45 New
    +3
    And who pulled Prilepin by the tongue with his confessions? Circus with horses ... Old Man will hand them over ... to please the EU and other human rights activists ..
    1. cniza
      cniza 31 July 2020 13: 05 New
      -1
      If he surrenders, it will be the beginning of his end ...
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 31 July 2020 14: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: Dikson
      And who pulled Prilepin by the tongue with his confessions?

      Yes, everyone who needs it already knew.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 31 July 2020 14: 28 New
      +2
      Nobody condemns Prilepin. On the contrary, it is believed that he saved the guys.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 31 July 2020 18: 52 New
        0
        About saved - it is still unknown .. Not his level for resolving the situation ...
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 31 July 2020 12: 47 New
    +1
    It looks like dad hates the people a little, wants to become a teran.
    1. cniza
      cniza 31 July 2020 13: 04 New
      -2
      He plays with fire, or rather played too ...
  • shed
    shed 31 July 2020 12: 48 New
    -8
    I do not understand everyone here is working out $, so much stench, turn on the brains if they are
    1. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 31 July 2020 15: 15 New
      +1
      turn on brains if you have them

      I understand there is only one with brains here? Well, decipher for the narrow-minded the secret of the global design of the greats.
  • Courier
    Courier 31 July 2020 13: 01 New
    -4
    Growing geopolitical influence.
    Superpower, epta good
  • Angelo Provolone
    Angelo Provolone 31 July 2020 13: 07 New
    -3
    old duren
  • askort154
    askort154 31 July 2020 13: 12 New
    0
    Belarus handed over to Ukraine a list of detained Russians, all of them will be checked for participation in hostilities in Donbass.

    Luka the blackmailer has lost his shores. Ditch Belarus, like his colleagues're coming out.
    Apparently he feels shaky before the elections. If he loses, he will, following the example of the American Democrats, accuse Russia of interfering in the elections, declaring them invalid, hoping that the West will take his side. In short, the last dictator in Europe decided to go to the bank, realizing that Russia no longer responds to his constant blackmail, and he has long become disgusted with her. They will not play hockey and ski with him, and they will not sell fuel cheaper than Smolensk either.
    His "cutest sidekicks" will now be in Ukraine. fool
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 31 July 2020 13: 23 New
    +1
    Set up, if the chvkashniks lived openly in the hotel and were not afraid of anything, and suddenly arrests and so on, then something went wrong with the agreements. And dad was given an extra trump card to fan the scandal against the background of his (Presidential) elections.
  • maksud13
    maksud13 31 July 2020 13: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    "Same" is not about Belarus?

    Please re-read what you yourself quoted "not same will response from competent authorities"
    Quote: Gost2012
    and who fell for such training?
    it looks like you ... in your face, it will rain

    Reread, plz, what I wrote - if Belarusians are caught in preparation ... I did not write anything else ...
    And, if your thinking works like that, then who is your doctor ??? wassat
  • maksud13
    maksud13 31 July 2020 13: 33 New
    +6
    Quote: Alexey-74
    Set up, if the chvkashniks lived openly in the hotel and were not afraid of anything, and suddenly arrests and so on, then something went wrong with the agreements. And dad was given an extra trump card to fan the scandal against the background of his (Presidential) elections.

    1) It’s wrong that they didn’t fly to Istanbul, having tickets ... How strange ... The flight to Istanbul on July 25.07 was at 8.30 am, judging by the video, they checked into the hotel either at about 6 am. And for what unnamed reasons they did not have time ???
    2) Flights to Istanbul - daily and on the next. a day now there are at least 5-10 tickets - you could fly in batches.
    3) I myself do not think that the infiltration of a group of PMCs would be so stupid, if in fact there was a task to participate in any events in Belarus. So most likely there is a setup for the AHL.
    1. Tavi
      Tavi 31 July 2020 14: 20 New
      +1
      there is clearly someone else's game, 2 options - if the game is AHL and something went wrong ... or a multi-move against him (and he took the bait) and now he does not know what to do with it.
  • bulava
    bulava 31 July 2020 13: 50 New
    0
    Well, now it’s probably time to look for backup options. I would not like to lose Belarus. Moreover, both according to the Ukrainian scenario, and simply because Father suddenly began to suspect everyone around of conspiracies and other nasty things
    1. Romulus
      Romulus 31 July 2020 15: 35 New
      0
      [quote = bulava] I would not like to lose Belarus.
      the last "ally", it will be sad ..
  • +5
    +5 31 July 2020 13: 57 New
    -3
    Well, first of all, this is the Ukrainian skakuasy, he said, but you can't believe the banderlog ...
    But dad has been bombing something lately ..
  • Inorus
    Inorus 31 July 2020 14: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: faterdom
    Father must give up. As before on Saakeshvle and Porshenka. There is no more daddy, and let him not pack his suitcases to Rostov. Herself ...

    For me personally, dad died after after spitting about "not our wars"
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  • Dikson
    Dikson 31 July 2020 14: 23 New
    +1
    .. Judging by the comments here .. - "Slavic brotherhood" is just a myth created for the sake of political trends ..))) Guys .. In two or three years we will move the capital to the Urals .. For there will be missiles in Ukraine, in Belarus there will be missiles ... We have a complete kaput with foreign policy ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 31 July 2020 14: 31 New
      -1
      This will not happen, as they say, you will not wait, but the boundaries of some may shrink or disappear altogether ...
      1. Romulus
        Romulus 31 July 2020 14: 48 New
        0
        Vitya you are a champion in terms of rating growth, when I’m not afraid of being banned, then you set a site record for “marshals” in 2014, can you really do it yourself ... Smirnov)))) writing nonsense and having such a hype ... .))
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 31 July 2020 18: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Dikson
      there will be rockets in Belarus.

      And why are they now neither in Lithuania nor in Latvia ... maybe the Belarusians themselves can ask whether they are ready to live in such a neighborhood ...
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 31 July 2020 18: 50 New
        0
        In Lithuania and Latvia, in fact, there are pairs on the DB .. and what they have on the external sling, they don’t report to us ..) And there Murmansk and St. Petersburg are not so far away .. cannon fodder..
  • tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 31 July 2020 14: 25 New
    +1
    Yes, it is not clear why Lukashenka needs this. God forbid he betrays the Russians to the Ukrainians, everything could end sadly. The feeling is that my father has dementia, in an acute form.
  • Lekz
    Lekz 31 July 2020 14: 30 New
    0
    It is necessary to inform Lukashenko that he will not break off with a place of residence in Russia. Let him attend to the future place of salvation while there is time. And it seems that there is already very little left.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 31 July 2020 14: 30 New
    +2
    The old man will play out to the point that they can remember the territories transferred in 1924 and 1926. from the RSFSR to the BSSR and in 1939 from Poland to the BSSR.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 31 July 2020 14: 39 New
    0
    Kirdyk Lukashenka. Rostov does not shine for him. Overwhelmed on the spot!
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 31 July 2020 14: 39 New
    0
    Set up so set up. The next brothers are no longer brothers. Who is our Dear Leader to be friends with? Or he can spit on everything, and throw Kuzhuketovich into the taiga, or to the Solovki monastery. Somehow everything will be settled by itself.
  • mark_rod
    mark_rod 31 July 2020 14: 44 New
    -2
    Quote: Volkov
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    One gets the impression that he is in panic.

    Or he is trying to use the possibility of transferring the detainees as a lever of pressure on Moscow in the framework of the game of independence. The extradition of citizens of the Russian Federation to third countries is a rather serious step that they will not let on the brakes.

    Is it true? And what will our rulers do? The Foreign Ministry will express concern, but will the GDP, as always, remain silent in a rag with the hope that it will resolve itself?
  • Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 31 July 2020 14: 52 New
    0
    In connection with such actions of Lukash, it is necessary to loudly show that we are not going further
  • Sibguest
    Sibguest 31 July 2020 14: 52 New
    +4
    "Hello" to everyone: adequate, not very, and quite ... hmmm ...
    I do not understand - why waste the obvious?
    Lukashenko is not just in a panic on the eve of the elections (as if it was not the presidential chair that was being pulled out from under his butt, but the stool from under the gallows, and he was with a noose around his neck) - he had long ago become a schizophrenic. With his mentality as a collective farm chairman and hypertrophied lust for power, such a "arrival" is inevitable.
    Good luck to all Belarusian brothers! Hold on.
    1. Terrible
      Terrible GMO 31 July 2020 16: 26 New
      -1
      Quote: Sibguest
      it is not the presidential chair that is pulled out, but the stool from under the gallows, but he - with a noose around his neck

      Well .... as if everything is correct. People have not forgotten the disappearance of his competitors, so the information surfaced from one of the possible participants. Naturally, the authorities will not check, and I will not say whether this "conscientious" citizen is still alive.

      Quote: Sibguest
      Good luck to all Belarusian brothers! Hold on.

      Thank. Rare words on this forum hi
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 31 July 2020 20: 21 New
        -2
        Good luck to all Belarusian brothers! Hold on.


        Thank. Rare words on this forum




        Brothers - they are ...
  • Kapkan
    Kapkan 31 July 2020 14: 56 New
    -1
    I will not give an assessment to the Belarusians again. It is too hard-hitting and very painful for loyal local commentators.
    But on the topic I can suggest this.
    The report is finished.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 31 July 2020 20: 05 New
      -3
      I will not give an assessment to the Belarusians again. It is too hard-hitting and very painful for loyal local commentators.


      True, few people like it ... but it is necessary
  • huntsman650
    huntsman650 31 July 2020 15: 08 New
    -2
    Staging, everything is coordinated with the Kremlin! Panic aside !!!
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 31 July 2020 20: 04 New
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      Staging, everything is coordinated with the Kremlin! Panic aside !!!


      Troll??
      1. huntsman650
        huntsman650 31 July 2020 21: 46 New
        -1
        Are you trolling me)))? Confused)))? Olezha)))
  • demo
    demo 31 July 2020 15: 13 New
    +1
    “Perhaps any politician will always have several episodes of political biography that he prefers not to remember. But what he did remains in history - it never disappears without a trace. History is not only human memory, but also numerous written sources stored in public and personal libraries and archives, and no matter how hard politicians - especially dictators - try to whitewash and exaggerate their role in current events and even rewrite the country's political history - they will never fully achieve their goal.
    Today we offer our readers an article by the deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the Republic of Belarus of the XII convocation Alexander Lukashenko "Dictatorship: Belarusian version?", Published in May 1991, a few months before the August putsch. In it, the future president appears as a politician zealously advocating democratic values ​​and the sovereignty of our country. Most of the people who were even sophisticated in politics, whom we gave it to read, believed that it was undoubtedly written by some member of the parliamentary opposition of the Belarusian Popular Front.

    It is good that history judges a person not by words - no matter how sweet they are - but by deeds, and someone will leave a trace in it, and someone will simply inherit ... "

    “I don’t remember something that the leadership of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Belarus so purposefully and massively stuffed us Communist deputies with instructions and demands, and in some places tried and tries to even intimidate. In Mogilev, the secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Belarus, Comrade A. Kamai, did not hesitate to tell us, the communists, that if the opposition wins and those who support it in Belarus, we will be sent to the Kolyma. It seems to me, Alexei Stepanovich. In general, it already comes to the ridiculous when they constantly repeat the same thing: the opposition in the Supreme Soviet is a monster, and those who support it among the inhabitants of Belarus are destructive elements. Whatever you say, but I think that these are already the last arguments of those in power.Although, if you look without looking back at the fact that the party power has devalued, and it does not mean anything to most of our people, we should all start working at this session for our people. This people would see and understand everything. Moreover, there is nowhere to retreat. "

    Alexander LUKASHENKO,
    Deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the XII convocation

    That's all Sasha.
    Deceitful, resourceful, ready for anything, just to achieve their selfish goals.
    And having reached the pinnacle of power, he does not want to part with it.

    https://www.currenttime.tv/a/lukashenko-25/30063378.html
    http://www.data.minsk.by/opensociety/1.99/6.html
  • Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael 31 July 2020 15: 14 New
    -3
    It's time to demolish Old Man ... With a kind, soulful word, love ... with fire and sword. And time is short, maybe. The greatness of the country does not come from the groans and anxieties of the Foreign Ministry, but from victories on the battlefield, from the peaceful change of unwanted regimes, discoveries and developments ...
  • Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael 31 July 2020 15: 24 New
    -4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdVGzZBLnaQ
  • Tarasios
    Tarasios 31 July 2020 15: 30 New
    0
    On the one hand - Lukashenko is specific - I don’t even know how to say it correctly, did he sixty? - in front of official Kiev, and on a personal initiative. Logically, since Kiev is a puppet of the United States, it is a "gear" - with an eye on the "pat on the cheek" from the United States, they say, "seer good, Sanya." At the same time, the United States is "in contradiction" with China, which has recently been the "best friend and partner" of Belarus. At the same time, Lukashenko, albeit interspersed with "indignations", regularly beats himself in the chest, they say, Minsk is Moscow's loyal and main partner.
    It looks like the declared "multi-vector" version of Lukashenka is evident;)
    PySy: those who sent a group of PMCs to look at the sights of Minsk architecture must have calculated such simple layouts and Lukashenka's behavior. Therefore, everything is going according to plan. I should have known more, for which one? .. We are waiting, we are watching ...
    1. Comrade Michael
      Comrade Michael 31 July 2020 15: 35 New
      -3
      All plans end as soon as the movement begins with a high degree of uncertainty ...
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    1. Terrible
      Terrible GMO 31 July 2020 16: 28 New
      0
      Quote: stock buildbat
      This is banditry, terrorism, etc., but for now we will omit it.

      While it was about Belarusians, you were silent. You yourself knew whom you were feeding and supporting all these years. He existed only on HUGE money from Russia.
      In Poland poured less than Russia.
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        1. Olezhek
          Olezhek 31 July 2020 20: 23 New
          -2
          Lukashenko has already captured a Russian and extradited to Azerbaijan



          everyone has a short memory