Israel is reforming the Air Force MTR. Does Russia need such a reform?

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Israel is reforming the Air Force MTR. Does Russia need such a reform?

Have you ever noticed how deeply the thought is driven into our heads that our army is in some way inferior to foreign ones and we are simply obliged to copy what exists in the West? In foreign and some of our media, materials periodically appear about how good it is “overseas” and why we just need to urgently change everything and do the same. Moreover, such materials are thrown into the media, the main readers of which are ordinary people, often far from understanding military issues.

There are especially many "interesting materials" about those areas of the army's life that are little known to the general public. How many specialists appeared, for example, after the tragedy with "Losharik"! Moreover, those whose knowledge surpasses the knowledge of even the crews of these submarines! Any kindergartner knows about the practice of using MTR. And almost all of the commentators of such materials “served in the special forces”.



Recently, several well-known Russian publications published material about the reform of the Air Force special forces in the Israeli army. This is not an "ode" to Israel's special forces, but material for thought for our generals and military experts. A kind of call to create in our army also specialized MTRs for the types of troops. Well, how can our VKS in a modern situation operate without their own special operations forces?

True, I was stung in some places in these materials. Serious enough. For example, this:

"Especially considering the actions of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria and the losses they suffered there."
“Many pilots were lost, among other things, because of this (we are talking about the absence of special forces of the Aerospace Forces to rescue crews). Unfortunately, losses among the flight personnel in such conditions have occurred in modern times: in 2018 in Syria, pilot Roman Filipov died during a combat mission. "
"After that, the crew of the combat aircraft knew that it was not some abstract commander of special forces that was at war on the ground and was waiting for his help, but a specific Vasily or Sergei, with whom they had recently communicated."


The essence of the reform of the MTR of the Israeli Air Force


In short, the Israelis will eliminate the "dual power" in the command of the Israeli Air Force special forces. The Air Force special forces units located at various air bases were organizationally subordinate to the commanders of these bases, but the tasks were set by the KAAM (the headquarters of the special air forces of the Air Operations Directorate of the Air Force Headquarters.

It was decided that the KAAM would be reorganized into the Kanaf-7 aircraft wing under the command of the former head of the KAAM. The full name of the new unit: 7th Air Wing of the MTR of the IDF Air Force. Located at the Palmachim airbase. MTR will be completed by conscripts. By the way, this is presented by the authors of the material as one of the positive aspects. After all, cost savings.

Only in passing is it mentioned that conscripts serve in Israel for three years, and not one, as we do. And the training of specialists there lasts not three or four months, but twenty! The Israelis are great in this regard. In 2022, they plan to open a special school for training fighters. Can you imagine the capabilities of a training unit in which fighters are trained for a year and a half? And how long did our professional contract soldier serve on conscription?

The composition of the new wing is also interesting. Naturally, information about this was taken from open sources, and we remember how Israel maintains secrecy. In short, the new air wing unites all previously existing units of the ground forces of the Air Force MTR. Additionally, a reconnaissance unit with unclear tasks is being created.

Specifically, "Kanaf-7" will include the "Shaldag" detachment (main tasks: air guidance and reconnaissance), detachment 5700 (search, selection and preparation for operation of airfields, primarily field ones), the Air Force rescue and evacuation detachment, combat support helicopters and transport helicopters. In addition, the new structure may have its own agent network.

Why copy what was originally intended for a particular theater of operations?


OAIs are originally intended to operate in a certain theater of operations. And they act accordingly. The war in Syria has opened the eyes of many in Russia. People saw the methods of waging such a war, the attitude towards the civilian population, the importance of modern military equipment and weapons. But Israel lives in these conditions almost all the time. Maybe the devil-may-care attitude of the Israeli military to the civilian population comes from here.

Attentive readers have probably noticed that in the material I often call the special forces units units. Although the same aircraft wing "Kanaf-7" is commanded by a colonel. What is the reason? In the number of personnel. For example, Squad 5700 has less than 100 people. Slightly more - other units.

By the way, this is probably what ensures the high secrecy of the Israeli special forces units. The easiest way to hide is where there are many similar things. A small detachment among many others. And the results of the work can always be attributed to these, which are heard.

The question is natural: what is it that the Israelis can do and what we cannot? But nothing. Moreover, some of the developments of our special forces are used there quite actively. Why create structures that are deliberately inoperative in our conditions? It's one thing to fight the Arabs and have narrow professionals for just such a war. Another thing is to be ready to fight in different theaters, while having a narrow specialization (just as a specialization).

After reading the material, it became clear to me that the author had served or is serving in the Air Force. And the whole story about the new air wing was written in order to show readers the importance of rescuing the crews of planes and helicopters shot down over enemy territory. Even the example with Roman Filipov is cited precisely as a negative example of the work of rescuers. Now, if they were Israelis, then everything would be fine ...

Alas, even supermen are not gods. They do not possess the ability to teleport. Bullets do not bounce off them. And in a cinematic way, they cannot knock down a couple of hundred enemies in one line. Not all MTR operations end in victory. Simply because the foolish adversary is only found in Hollywood. Fools live little in war.

And in the situation with Roman Filipov, there was simply no chance of salvation.

Study, but take only the best


It is imperative to study a potential enemy, as well as a potential ally. Life is complicated. Events that turn everything upside down and vice versa happen all the time. Nobody knows where and with whom they will meet next time. And no one knows what this meeting will be like.

It seems to me that it's time to stop blindly worshiping everything foreign. How many times have our soldiers and officers proved to the world that we are the best. How many times has this very world seen that the Russian "do as I do" is stronger than the Western "do as I said"!

As for the creation of a special special forces for the Aerospace Forces, I consider this idea untenable. Without suspecting it, the author of the material about the Israeli MTR is pushing us towards the decision that the IDF is leaving: towards decentralization and dual power in the MTR. So, to the destruction of the structure.
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  1. +11
    29 July 2020 15: 14
    Well, actually it is very intelligently written. I will not cling to the little things that cut my eyes, but the main thing is noted absolutely right. Each country creates its own armed forces based on demographic and economic opportunities and, of course, taking into account the assessment of political and military threats on its borders. For example, it is absurd to demand from the Netherlands or Belgium the same costs for the aircraft as Israel, Vietnam and Azerbaijan. As for the RF Armed Forces, they are being built as a lever of pressure from one superpower, unlike the Israeli Armed Forces, which solve exclusively local problems in their region, and therefore the structures of these Armed Forces can hardly be an example for each other.
    1. +2
      29 July 2020 16: 32
      Yes, a lot is true .. BUT it does not suit us a priori, TVD is gigacilometers wider, the difference in tasks, goals, but just a range of temperatures ... And, most importantly, we are not Ashkenazi (ss, pressed, I was ready to gnaw with my teeth .. Although he remained alive, thanks to the helicopter pilots (garages, 88, Major Kozlov (squadron commander) - in the legs ... in the legs. I thought. Khan to all of us ....)
    2. +6
      29 July 2020 17: 10
      I have already written more than once that a real fact is taken and propaganda thoughts are inserted into it.
      Maybe the devil-may-care attitude of the Israeli military towards the civilian population is from here.
      NO ONE AND NOT WHEN I have never heard such a thing and said such nonsense in Israel.
      But, at the same time, the important is hushed up, but from this no one will become weaker and no one
      will become stronger.
      Specifically, "Kanaf-7" will include the "Shaldag" detachment
      And this is far from a simple unit.
      The Kingfishers were on a par with the most elite units of the Israeli army.
      "Shaldag" in translation from Hebrew - kingfisher. The detachment is stationed at the Palmachim airbase. This is a unit whose tasks are target reconnaissance and guidance, air traffic control, crew rescue and other types of support for air force operations.
      The squad is selected from among 18-year-old recruits. They are taught to drop from helicopters and aircraft of different types and from different heights, mine explosives and hand-to-hand combat techniques. The most valuable skill is the ability to navigate the terrain (both with the help of a compass and map, and without them). In preparation, special attention is paid to the ability to navigate and survive in the desert,
      The most important attention is paid to tactical and special training. For example, fighters are thrown out at night in an unfamiliar wooded area with the task of marching 50 kilometers long, reaching a given point and installing a special sensor on a specific vehicle. On the way, the fighters are waiting for the ambush of the "enemy", the command constantly throws in new introductions, and the target vehicle is well guarded. In addition, fighters can land in the desert right during the "khamsin" sandstorm. Their task is to cross the conditional state border, go to a given area and find a camouflaged enemy field airfield, determine its coordinates and transfer it to the headquarters for an aviation strike.
      It is clear that suitable for one country does not have to be copied for another.
      But, you always have to write the truth.
      1. +1
        1 August 2020 09: 17
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        But, you always have to write the truth.
        In Russia? Staver? Jamet.
    3. -3
      29 July 2020 21: 01
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      As for the RF Armed Forces, they are being built as a lever of pressure for one superpower, in contrast to

      The thought is filed so clumsily that you don't even understand what it is about?
      If I understood it correctly, then the question arises - who was the Russian Armed Forces crushed so badly? Which country? Is it really the USA? Maybe Israel? Or the Balts?
  2. +5
    29 July 2020 15: 20
    As for the creation of a special special forces for the Aerospace Forces, I consider this idea untenable.
    You just need to create a good PSS (search and rescue service), providing it with the necessary equipment and equipment and which, if necessary, strengthened by special forces groups .., it is imperative to undergo joint training, but separate special forces units as part of the aerospace forces also see no reason to do it. The size of our army is not very large anyway, and the staff is still being inflated ...
    On = good, at the time of combat missions it would be nice to have MSS groups, by helicopters already in the air, in order to reduce the response time, but no one will definitely do this ...
  3. +1
    29 July 2020 15: 39
    A bit off topic.
    Does Russia need holdings / corporations "UAC" or "Russian Helicopters"?
    It is unrealistic to imagine that Boeing and Lockheed would jointly (at someone's behest) develop, for example, a 6th generation aircraft.
    1. +2
      29 July 2020 18: 46
      An acquaintance complained that before the merger, his enterprise had creaky loans, but they were given it. After the merger, they recalculated the credit rating to the average for the hospital for the entire holding and began to refuse.
  4. +8
    29 July 2020 15: 55
    In Israel, initially there were special forces that belonged not only to separate branches of the armed forces (artillery, air force, navy), but also to separate districts, and even to separate brigades (analogous to a reconnaissance company in a Soviet division). And each special unit had its own specialization. Only recently have these regional special forces been merged into a commando brigade. Time and war will show how correct this decision to unite is. As well as the creation of the "7th Air Wing".
  5. 0
    29 July 2020 16: 02
    Quote: knn54
    A bit off topic.
    Does Russia need holdings / corporations "UAC" or "Russian Helicopters"?
    It is unrealistic to imagine that Boeing and Lockheed would jointly (at someone's behest) develop, for example, a 6th generation aircraft.


    Yeah, tell me what your money is.
  6. 0
    29 July 2020 16: 27
    Alexander, I agree on the main point - dual power in the army is unacceptable, as well as excessive control, especially when it comes to subdivision, which exists precisely for permanent work, first of all, in the rear of a potential enemy. Here, indeed, you need to wisely take the best from the experience of foreign special forces divisions, but in no way stupidly copy other people's ideas, decisions, and desires. First of all, in such subdivisions there is a place for specialists-kontractinikov, for them it is actually a way of life forever. Conscripts, only if they meet certain physical and psychological criteria, can be taken into such divisions, preferably with the possibility of concluding a long-term contract later for the continuation of the service as an ordinary regular spetsnaz soldier.
  7. +18
    29 July 2020 17: 12
    Yesterday, under an article on research into hypersonic flight processes conducted in the United States, I wrote that the quality of materials on the site is rapidly declining, the authors do not understand at all that they are writing or inventing all sorts of fables. My comment was deleted. However, removing critical comments will not improve the quality of the content, especially by authors such as Mr. Staver, who completely perverted the essence of the article "The experience of Israel's special forces could be useful for Russian military aviation" by Sergei Kozlov.
    Note, "might come in handy." But we'll come back to this later. For a start, about the author.
    "After reading the material, it became clear to me that the author was or is serving in the Air Force."
    You do not understand anything, Mr. Staver. You at least bothered to test your "understandings".

    In the photo, senior lieutenant of the GRU special forces Sergei Kozlov with his wife. 1986, Kandahar, 173rd separate detachment of special forces of the GRU General Staff. This is for those who doubt the competence of the author.
    And the second thing. In Kozlov's article there is not a word about any "admiration for the West". The article is exclusively about whether it is possible to learn something useful for the Russian Air Force from the Israeli experience. And what's wrong with that? What is wrong with analyzing the experience of an army that fights almost constantly?
    Those who wish to see the article in the original, without any fabrications of local amateur authors, can find it on the net by title.
    1. -12
      29 July 2020 20: 46
      Yesterday, under an article on research into hypersonic flight processes conducted in the United States, I wrote that the quality of the materials on the site is rapidly falling, the authors do not understand at all that they are writing or inventing all sorts of fables

      That is, there are fewer Russophobic articles, and articles glorifying Western weapons - this means
      the quality of materials on the site is rapidly falling, the authors do not understand at all that they are writing or inventing all sorts of fables

      ))))
      1. +13
        29 July 2020 20: 58
        In principle, your comment could have been ignored. But still interesting.
        Do you think that a technical article written by an illiterate amateur and completely misinterpreting the essence of the issue is patriotic, but written competently and professionally is Russophobic?
        Or, sucking out of the finger, as in this article, is patriotism. And the objective coverage of the issue is Russophobia?
        Can propaganda bend the gray matter this way?
        1. -15
          29 July 2020 21: 23
          Or, sucking out of the finger, as in this article, is patriotism. And the objective coverage of the issue is Russophobia?
          Can propaganda bend the gray matter this way?

          Judging by the statements - you are pushed away from grants, that's why you are mad ...
          1. +7
            29 July 2020 21: 37
            Judging by the statements
            Judging by the statements - in hoc statu desperato.
      2. 0
        1 August 2020 09: 23
        Quote: lucul
        the quality of materials on the site is rapidly falling, the authors do not understand at all that they are writing or inventing all sorts of fables
        And in short - Michael power,
  8. +1
    29 July 2020 17: 48
    Author not in topic
    SO he wrote about special forces with the function of evacuating pilots
    MTR is completely different
  9. 0
    29 July 2020 17: 50
    By the way, special forces with the evacuation function of Russian pilots are simply necessary
  10. +6
    29 July 2020 19: 19
    Maybe the devil-may-care attitude of the Israeli military to the civilian population comes from here.

    This is the author of what civilian population? Arabic? On the roof of which, before the arrival of a high-precision ammunition, first a warning blank flies, or ... lol Yes, no, the author cannot assume a devil-may-care attitude towards his native Jewish population. belay
  11. +6
    29 July 2020 23: 27
    As far as I remember, the American "pilot rescue" forces - the so-called PJ (their abbreviation PJ) have always belonged to the special forces.
    And this has been known to me since the end of the 80s.
    And now they are subordinated precisely to the forces of the MTR.
    And they count as parts. which have the largest number of combat awards.
    It is the most respected special forces among all types of US and NATO MTR.
    They prepare for battle and work:
    in water, North Atlantic and Indian Ocean ...
    in the ice of the Arctic Ocean.
    in the mountains, in deserts, in the forest and taiga, in the tundra and desert ...
    In the village and metropolis.
    Knowing that in 99% of cases they will evacuate into enemy territory.

    Prepare for anywhere in the world.
    Where any American aircraft can be lost and an American pilot needs to be evacuated.

    So why don't we learn from this experience ????
    Israeli, American, English?

    If they have thousands of times more experience in evacuating their pilots. than we have ???
    If you say. that we are Russians and so we can, I'll give you a deuce for the "cap and long-range cap" ...
    Experience is always experience.
    And it must be studied and accepted.

    And not to earn your own, with the lives of pilots and rescuers ...
  12. -1
    1 August 2020 16: 45
    Does the Israeli army even have anything worth copying?
    Judging by the state of health care in this country against the background of the coronavirus, now in Israel the situation is approaching in a state very close to the United States. And how they praised their clinics in advertising and simply beckoned to be treated for almost the entire planet. "Achievements" in the army are no exception.
    And the fact that Israel is reforming something there in its army, it is with them, like in many other armed forces - the usual development of the dough. Until the army shows itself to be real combat achievements, all talk about its advanced military thought is an ordinary concussion of the air, and completely useless.
    As one military analyst said: The awareness of Israeli "military power" for the Russian Armed Forces does not exist in principle and is not considered a priori even as a hypothesis, because this whole state is just one air raid, albeit massive, but only one ..
    1. -1
      3 August 2020 08: 25
      the situation is approaching as very close to the USA

      How is it approaching sideways? 1500 diagnosed per day, 320 seriously ill patients and 512 deaths in 4 months?
      1. -1
        4 August 2020 05: 27
        As a percentage of the entire population and beds, which are already lacking, although the situation is not yet so massive.
        1. 0
          4 August 2020 07: 35
          At the beginning of the first wave, there was a panic that there would not be enough mechanical ventilation. There were 1800 of them. Now there are 4500 of them, but there are less than 100 in use, and this is not only patients with the crown, but all those in need. So there are no problems with places in hospitals, but some journalists are beating up and shouting, if you do not introduce total quarantine, it will be like in the United States. But the situation is far from that
          1. -1
            5 August 2020 23: 59
            Yeah, there is generally an earthly paradise, only the people are revolting, but this is just a journalist's lies, and the video about fights with the army is staged by Mosfilm. laughing
            1. 0
              6 August 2020 00: 20
              I have not seen any fights with the army, with the police
    2. 0
      3 August 2020 12: 38
      - "Desperate Housewife" (one of Lara Fabian's songs is so called laughing lol)
  13. 0
    3 August 2020 12: 31
    Maybe the devil-may-care attitude of the Israeli military to the civilian population comes from here.

    - Not a single army in the world, nowhere and never treated the civilian population like the soldiers of the IDF. The author is not from this planet at all ...