Unnecessary pipes, or the Sunset of the gas column country

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What are the benefits and interests of modern engaged media? They are capable of giving out information in such a way that everything looks like a peremog. And you start to look more attentively - it is not clear. And if you analyze it thoughtfully, it is sheer joy in the best canons and traditions of our neighbors in the West.

More than strange things made me think about what was happening with Russian pipelines. news immediately from the north and south. In general, in the end, looking to the east is absolutely not harmful.



The picture is strange, but very logical. And not particularly joyful for a Russian's eye.

So, I'll start from the north.

Nord Stream 2


Oh, this Denmark ... A country whose area is smaller than the territory of many regions of the same center of Russia (not even talking about large territories in the east) puts such a spoke in its wheels that you start to respect it.

It is clear that Denmark is not the biggest counterbalance to the rearing Germany, dreaming of how she (Germany) will throw off all these transit countries and start to use gas itself. Naturally, getting it with a huge (as expected) discount.

Denmark is against it. And after all, how beautifully the descendants of Hamlet put a spoke in the wheels ... Either they drowned ammunition in thousands of tons (where they got it - that's the question!), Now the cod with their spawning ... No, the spawning of cod is a necessary thing. The only strange thing is that in 2018 and 2019 the pipeline was driven without bothering with cod, but in 2020 cod turned out to be more important. And it is near the island of Bornholm.

Okay, the ammunition has been emptied, the cod will celebrate its caviar, the season of autumn storms will pass ... Or it is clear that when Baba Yaga (more precisely, Donald-not-the-drake) is against, then the combined desires of Merkel and Putin may not be enough. Cod, you know, it is sometimes more important ... and stronger.

In general, the future of the SP-2 is not so doubtful, but ... It will be pulled for a very long time. Simply because SP-2 itself is politicized to the utmost. Whatever the representatives of Germany and Russia say about the opposite, there is definitely no more politicized construction, if not in the world, then in Europe.

So all this will drag on for a long time, the only question is, at whose expense. Meanwhile, the cost of SP-2 is approaching 10 billion. It is clear that not rubles, but euros. Too much for a pipeline that is still empty in the water.

Utopia turns out in the literal sense. And if you count everything ...

However, about the accounts - at the very end.

"Turkish Stream"


The fact that Erdogan is still a “partner” has been said and written by many at one time. The author was no exception and, unfortunately, was right. The strange things happening in the south speaks with confidence that the Turkish president is allowing him to be friends with him. On certain and very favorable terms for yourself.

An excellent example is the frankly spineless and semi-treacherous sale of the S-400 to him, in all the intricacies of which NATO experts will now perfectly understand. But if it had not been for this sale, Turkey's capricious leader would not have let the pipeline be built.

And here's an interesting result for you: in 2020, Russia, the first in terms of exports to Turkey, “suddenly” dropped immediately to fifth place. Azerbaijan, Iran, Qatar and Algeria took the lead. The fact was attested by the Turkish EPDK, the state energy regulator.

He also recorded a 72% decrease in Russian gas supplies to Turkey, while LNG from the United States increased by 300%. And already "on the way" to the five leaders.

But the successes of the USA and Azerbaijan somehow do not interest us very much. But the fact that, according to the RF FTO, Gazprom's exports in the first quarter of 2020 collapsed (you can't put it another way) by 24,4%, to 46,6 billion cubic meters, is a fact. And specifically to Turkey - up to 0,2 billion cubic meters. And this, we will note, despite the introduction of the "Turkish Stream".

Yes, there is a crisis all over the world, yes, Turkey is starting to consume less gas, but ... Why Russian? Not American, not Azerbaijani, but Russian? Turkey and I are “friends-partners”. How so?

And like this. Russian gas turned out to be uncompetitive. And since Turkey is a monopoly consumer of gas and Erdogan was not persuaded to transit to Europe, now Turkey can consume as much gas from Russia as it needs. Adding weight to more profitable contracts, and even twisting hands at a price, because TP has no more users.

This is not called monopoly, but monopsony. When there is one buyer and several sellers. And then such a buyer (in our case, Turkey) begins to dictate the terms in full.

Which is what happened. Gas from Gazprom turned out to be completely uncompetitive. And in Europe, by the way, things are no better. On European hubs in June, gas was quoted at $ 45 per thousand cubic meters at TTF (Netherlands) and $ 63 per thousand at Baumgarten (Austria). With the declared price of zero profitability of $ 100 per thousand cubic meters for Gazprom, taking into account the cost of production, mineral extraction tax, transportation and customs duties.

Russian gas turned out to be of no interest to Turkey. Meanwhile, the construction of the "Turkish Stream" cost Russia $ 20 billion.

Sberbank CIB analyst Alex Fack calculated in 2018 that Turkish Stream will not pay off in the next 50 years and will bring Gazprom $ 13 billion in losses. But in 2018, things didn't look so sad.

But all this pales in comparison with what is happening in the east.

"The Power of Siberia"


This is a very publicized and very expensive window dressing. Super peremog, so to speak. Compared to which "streams" are rural pipelines from village to village. Gazprom reluctantly says that the SS cost $ 55 billion, but independent experts say the amount is $ 100 billion.

If we accept that the truth is somewhere in between, then let it be $ 75 billion. And what did Russia get for this money? Nothing. A very beautiful picture, the price of which is zero. More precisely, minus $ 75 billion.

This project does not give ANYTHING on the gas market. In 2020, the pumping plan, according to Gazprom itself, was only 5 billion cubic meters. And it's not a fact that so much will be pumped, but it's not even a matter of reducing consumption in the world.

The fact is that in order to reach the promised 38 billion cubic meters per year, it takes about 10 years and a lot of money in excess of the spent. Just because the resources of one Chayandinskoye field (Yakutia, Lensky district, opened in 1983) will not be enough to provide such volumes, according to the project, it is necessary to connect the Kovykta field (Irkutsk region, discovered in 1987) to it.

Digression: I draw your attention to the fact that both deposits were discovered during the Soviet era, we continue to eat up the Soviet legacy. But the exploration was carried out crookedly, so that many wells today turned out to be "dry". With all the ensuing consequences.

So, according to the plan, it is necessary not only to put these two fields into operation, it is necessary to connect these fields with a new pipe, fill in new wells, put compressor stations all the way ...

By the way, the "path" is 900 kilometers.

And then, in 10 years, if the Chinese still need it ... The key is “if need be,” because there are a lot of nuances.

But in 2018, Energy Minister Novak, reporting to the State Duma, honestly admitted that Power of Siberia is not a commercial project and we will not see any profit soon, if any.

Until then, Gazprom is lying. Moreover, since 2014, when the media of a certain nature amicably full of headlines about what a great project Russia and China will carry out. This was the first and most important lie, because China was not going to build ANYTHING.

The second was a lie that China would give $ 20-25 billion for the project. Did not give. And not because he decided to "throw", but because he did not promise a single word. Not a single hieroglyph in the contract, not a single stroke of the pen. And since he did not promise, then he did not.

This whole thing was built from the first to the last penny with the money of Russian taxpayers. This is an interstate project, isn't it? So the budget. The development of which we are engaged in by everyone who can reach it.

Accordingly, who received at least some profit from the pipeline? That's right, those who built it. Nobody needs a pipeline for taxpayer money. Specifically, according to the "SS" - all the preferences of both Mr. Timchenko and Rotenberg Sr.

Russia? Okay, let's be serious.

China at the other end of the pipe is also a monopsony buyer. Gas from Power of Siberia cannot be sold to anyone except the Chinese. Neither Mongols nor Koreans. ANYONE. The pipeline has ONE buyer, and then he will dictate his terms to the seller. And the seller will agree to these conditions, otherwise the pipeline will be empty.

It is already worth it, since Siberian gas is a backup option for China. China receives the main gas from the Pacific region in the form of LNG, which is more profitable.

And since China is reducing the volume of consumed gas, including pipe gas, here our neighbors can twist Gazprom’s hands as they please. More precisely, Erdogan will be jealous.

The world's bulk of cheap gas. There is a lot of LNG in the world. And this is where interesting things turn out.

Profit is not something that is not expected, it is simply not expected, since the world is experiencing a fall in prices and a surplus of natural gas. Against this background, we suddenly have an unfinished empty Nord Stream 2, a half empty Nord Stream 1, an empty Turkish Stream, an empty Power of Siberia.

But Gazprom and Mr. Miller personally are not going to stop there. Having gone wild with SS, instead of providing the pipeline with gas and risking finding new consumers at least within the country, Miller and the company announced the construction of Power of Siberia-2! From other deposits, for example, China, through the territory of Mongolia.

Interesting, huh? China is reducing the level of gas purchases, Gazprom cannot provide even what was agreed upon, therefore it is necessary to threaten another 1,5 trillion rubles for one more pipe!

Where is the money? Oh yes, money ...

No one has got gas prices up there since August 1, no?

It's good to live and have fun in Russia. If you have the opportunity. Indeed, can we really not afford to spend another one and a half trillion miserable rubles on another pipe that nobody needs?

After all, people will work. People will make money. Good people. Millers, Rotenbergs, Timchens ...

In general, the policy of Gazprom and the state (do not forget about the state's share in this organization) is no longer even surprising. All these epoch-making construction projects, just like in Soviet times, cause a feeling of bewilderment. And the understanding that money is simply wasted on worthless PR projects that turn into empty pipes and losses.

To repay which is the lot of taxpayers.

A beautiful chain turns out. Representatives of the authorities are having fun, concluding epoch-making agreements, engaged media have fun telling all sorts of fables (like about China, which was supposed to "give money"), Gazprom has fun, placing orders for unnecessary and, moreover, not supplied with gas pipelines, playing all the games.

And the people are paying for all this disgrace. Which once again raise prices. But which once again, with shouts of "Glory!" expresses confidence in the whole matter.

Indeed, we live in interesting times ...

And what do we end up with? Calculator, your way out!

Nord Stream 2 - $ 10 billion, or 700 billion rubles.

Turkish Stream - $ 20 billion, or 1,4 trillion rubles.

Power of Siberia - $ 55 billion, or 3,85 trillion rubles.

Power of Siberia-2 - $ 21 billion, or 1,5 trillion rubles.

Total entertainment with empty pipes will cost the Russian taxpayer $ 106 billion, or 7,45 trillion rubles.

Without the slightest hope of profit. No chance of improving domestic life in the country. Simply spent, and rather mediocre.

And most importantly, there is no chance that this outrage will ever stop.

Meanwhile, it is worth considering what can happen in a gas station country if its oil and gas are not needed by anyone. Moreover, one should think about it today, until tomorrow the construction of another useless pipeline begins.
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  1. -60
    28 July 2020 10: 10
    It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.
    1. +89
      28 July 2020 10: 14
      Quote: bober1982
      It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.

      I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins? wassat Is this the main thing for you?
      1. -44
        28 July 2020 10: 21
        Quote: Svarog
        I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins? Is this the main thing for you?

        Read G. Klimov, he clearly explained.
        1. +53
          28 July 2020 10: 57
          I absolutely agree with the author! Itself has often paid attention to this.
          And I will say even more.
          With regard to the gas and oil industry of the Russian Federation, everything that has been said above looks like a deliberate bankruptcy by the Russian leaders of the entire gas and oil industry of Russia and then with its complete and final "resale" for a penny (simply transferring) to foreign owners in terms of the CONTINUATION of the collective West (USA) COLNIZATION of Russia.
          1. +1
            28 July 2020 11: 46
            There was such a country in the USSR ...
            There was a Gas Pipe Agreement ...
            We have built gas pipelines, everything is great ...
            Neither Timchenko nor Rotenbergs were observed, of course ...
            And then the oil crisis of the 70s happened and gas fell in price for the company with oil ...
            And for two years the USSR pumped gas to Europe for free, quite practically - the operating costs barely covered
            And even the social camp ...
            1. Ren
              +10
              28 July 2020 12: 27
              Quote: your1970
              And then the oil crisis of the 70s happened and gas fell in price for the company with oil ...
              And for two years, the USSR pumped gas to Europe for free, quite practically - the operating costs barely covered

              And if you look:
              Net proceeds from sales of PJSC "Gazprom":
              2017 - 6 billion rubles;
              2018 - 8 billion rubles;
              2019 - 7 billion rubles;
              Paid taxes, except for income tax (and these are pensions, social services, medicine, roads, etc., in addition to dividends to the state, also paid to the budget):
              2017 - 1 billion rubles;
              2018 - 1 billion rubles;
              2019 - 1 billion rubles.
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                  1. +22
                    28 July 2020 15: 21
                    Stunning article. I knew that everything was bad (with Gazprom). But not that much! While reading, my tongue stuck to the sky with grief. What are these ... doing to the country!

                    Thanks to Roman once again for the way he uncovers the ulcers on the body, carefully hidden by Putin's propaganda of imaginary well-being.
                    1. +17
                      28 July 2020 16: 36
                      also such unformed thoughts wandered. I didn’t quite grasp the author’s statement about a more profitable LNG thesis did not disclose us all were assured that the pipe was not in competition and suddenly we were moved everywhere
                      1. +18
                        28 July 2020 18: 49
                        This is how it all began

                        and this is how it ends
                      2. +2
                        28 July 2020 22: 50
                        I remember that article last October. As a flock of withered "old-school pennies" with Prigozhin's tame "Scandinavian mountain dwellers, stony in the sunlight," them, a Homo sapiens and impartiality, having estimated the most probable options, expressed confidence that "there will be no carnival." Where are they now? Done from the strain! The stoned ones are still storming the "hated Omerigi and Geyropes" on other branches through the "broken bottom", while others have felt the "mighty hand of Miller" in their own pocket and the bonus "prostate massage" from the prostate. Which is well deserved. With which I congratulate them. From the heart!
                      3. -8
                        28 July 2020 23: 05
                        Yes raised by the amount of annual inflation
                      4. +6
                        29 July 2020 10: 06
                        Yes raised by the amount of annual inflation

                        And where does inflation come from ???
                      5. -3
                        29 July 2020 20: 01
                        and where does the gas come from?
                      6. -3
                        31 July 2020 10: 43
                        Unfortunately, prices are rising for everything, not just gas. Don't get hung up on this. Traditionally, prices for housing and communal services increase in July. This year from August. Thus, a cubic meter of gas will rise in price from 6,02 rubles to 6,13 rubles (together with vat). For 11 kopecks! Is this 1,827% Is it a lot or a little? In relative units less than 2%, this is not much. If you look at it in absolute terms, if a family consumes 30 cubic meters of gas per month, this is just over THREE rubles! Well, why all this screeching about gas ??
                        You can also calculate how much richer Gazprom will become if it puts this three rubles in its pocket (which is clearly not the case, since something will go to the local budget, something to the treasury in the form of taxes, etc.). It will be about 150-200 million rubles, that is, 2-3 million dollars.
                        Well, for Gazprom, this is nothing ..
                    2. +11
                      28 July 2020 22: 33
                      A couple of months ago, $ bk316 with snot in all obscene places tried unsuccessfully to prove to me that the "gas valve" could not be unprofitable. Director of a company, just a minute. My condolences to those Persons Deceived by the Bully, who will shatter him.
                    3. 0
                      29 July 2020 14: 52
                      Roman wrote a long article in some part with some pretty good reasoned conclusions about the various pipelines. I approve, I liked it !! We will monitor the further development of these projects.
                      But again, one of the main arguments about the decrease in turnover by 24% in the first quarter was not justified correctly by the author. Yes, the turnover fell, but why? There were several reasons for this.
                      The largest consumer of our gas is the EU and the main decline has affected this direction. Why:
                      1. At the end of 2019, everyone considered the option of stopping transit through Ukraine, and all EU storage facilities were almost completely filled with gas.
                      2. Warm winter did not allow to spend these reserves and there were surpluses in storage facilities.
                      3. General economic stagnation of production all over the world began to show itself at the beginning of the year and gas consumption fell everywhere.
                      And starting from February, they begin to stop production in Asia (China went on vacation in the last week of January and smoothly switched to karatnin, from which it didn’t come out until the end of the 1st quarter. I know from my work), and then production slowed down around the world. ...
                      I would like to draw Roman's attention to an undisclosed topic that is not very popular in the media and, of course, in VO: when will Gazprom, or Rosneft, or the Russian currency have good days, for example: income growth or ruble growth. When they finish building Nord Stream 2 or something. Write a detailed article that everything is not so bad on the territory of our Motherland and we have something to be glad about !!! Good luck !!
                  2. +28
                    28 July 2020 16: 05
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Skomorokhov wrote the correct article

                    I agree Kamrad. The article is correct. Do not add, do not subtract. Everything is right in the article.
                  3. +3
                    28 July 2020 18: 16
                    HERE we are all huge experts on gas, oil and pipes.
                    https://ach.gov.ru/promo/analytical-report-federal-budget-2019-3/index.html
                  4. +13
                    28 July 2020 22: 25
                    Indeed, the Author today, like Prometheus, has ignited a great many farts. Their "zeal" in the "impotence of Siberia" to direct them, you see, there would be no need for an "additional" 900 km, and the Chinese "sticks in wheels" were blown away by pressure. And then these characters ate on "bean" complementary foods from the "chief cook", and all the "attempts" and "breakthroughs" to the wind. lol
                    1. -8
                      28 July 2020 23: 09
                      just for you and ignited laughing
                  5. +2
                    28 July 2020 23: 54
                    And there is no need to refute anything. Time will tell.
                    1. GAF
                      +1
                      30 July 2020 19: 46
                      Quote: mister-red
                      And there is no need to refute anything. Time will tell

                      That's it. The pipelines are not going anywhere. The USSR built and still work properly. In a few years, the world's largest Amur gas processing complex will start operating. And what about gas with China - time will tell. So far: "In China, the share of coal generation in the country's energy balance has decreased from 68% in 2012 to 59% in 2018, but with the growth of alternative generation, coal continues to grow.
                      So, recently, Chinese state banks have allocated over 35 billion dollars for the development of coal energy and 44 billion for financing projects to reduce CO2, including solar panels and wind turbines.
                      For failure to fulfill obligations to reduce CO2, China may run into serious sanctions and an increase in duties on the export of its goods. So gas will be needed, among other things, to eliminate smog in their own cities ...
                  6. -3
                    29 July 2020 13: 01
                    There is nonsense in every line from the author of the alarmist-provocateur, even to refute laziness. You can dance dances with a tambourine, because during a pandemic in the summer, planes do not fly, factories are standing, boiler houses are not heated all over the world. But the pipe is not being built for the short term, the moth authors cannot understand this in any way.
                    And who benefits from? So it is profitable for thousands of workers, the development of Siberia is profitable, for millions of whose houses gas is profitable. Now, if Gazprom fired all the nafig during the crisis, people were out of work, the author would probably have a personal brain injury.
                    Although something for a certain public to justify this beads throw ...
                    1. +8
                      29 July 2020 21: 12
                      "for millions of whose houses gas is profitable"
                      do you mean chinese? because gas did not come to ours along the route of the pipe. even China does not have enough of it. Let me remind you, "Total entertainment with empty pipes will cost the Russian taxpayer $ 106 billion, or 7,45 trillion rubles." damages, damages only. what is there against this background, a thousand workers, joyfully earned their pennies?
                  7. -5
                    29 July 2020 14: 45
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    and Skomorokhov wrote the correct article.

                    wassat wassat wassat
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                2. -11
                  28 July 2020 23: 07
                  Truly, solid tryndezh
                3. -8
                  29 July 2020 01: 09
                  The author does not get used to spreading misinformation on VO.
                  He has something to fill his "empty pipes" laughing
              2. +28
                28 July 2020 13: 07
                According to information in December 2018 years we were told that:
                1) Gazprom and Rosneft belong to the Russian Federation,
                2) and Rosneftegaz, an intermediary company between them, manages state oil and gas assets.
                But for some reason, Rosneftegaz does not want to share it with the state. In addition, on the one hand, Rosneftegaz owns huge funds, but for some reason it owns them in secret from us, hiding information about itself.
                To say more about founder Rosneftegaz liquidated and it is not clear who exactly owns the company.
                As a result, questions arise
                Who, then, owns the shares of Rosneftegaz?
                Who sits on its board of directors?
                And what is the charter of Rosneftegaz companies?

                This most relevant information, in essence, is hidden from the people until today.

                Who Really Owns Gazprom and Rosneft | Pravda glazarezhet
                • 12 dec. Oct 2018
                1. +18
                  28 July 2020 13: 53
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  This most relevant information, in essence, is hidden from the people until today.

                  Who Really Owns Gazprom and Rosneft | Pravda glazarezhet
                  • 12 dec. Oct 2018

                  Greetings Colleague! I am pleased to note that you have already begun to give a correct assessment of Putinism, which is Rosssey's gravedigger!
                  1. +7
                    28 July 2020 23: 16
                    Tatiana, by the way, provided very indicative information. For which a BIG THANKS to her! Not otherwise, here is the "fairy tale" ... The ends, of course, in the water.
                    Fragment from the movie "Last year's snow was falling.", (1983)
                2. +20
                  28 July 2020 14: 53
                  Rosneftegaz has only 10 employees. The company was created in 91 to replace the profile Soviet ministries, was liquidated and revived.

                  “At the moment, Rosneftegaz, created as a 100% state-owned company, is a company with an unclear owner. Its relationship with the government speaks in favor of the fact that it does not belong to the state.
                  Indeed, Rosneftegaz owns stakes in the following companies:
                  PJSC "Rosneft" 50%
                  PJSC "Gazprom" - 10,97%
                  OJSC Rosgazifikatsiya - 74,55%
                  PJSC Inter RAO - 27,63%
                  7% of the Caspian Pipeline Consortium.
                  The company is going to receive or has already received control over 70% of RusHydro. FAS allowed Rosneftegaz to buy as much as 89% of the majority shareholder of the Zvezda shipyard.
                  Rosneftegaz has stakes in another 75 smaller commodity companies and receives dividends from them. The profits from these enterprises at Rosneftegaz, according to experts, are astronomical. Rosneftegaz is the largest owner of Russia's natural resources.
                  And with all this, for a long period of time, this allegedly state-owned company kept 75% of the profit for itself, paying the state, allegedly to its owner, only 25%. In 2015, the Russian government received nothing from Rosneftegaz at all, losing the lawsuit.
                  In fact, Rosneftegaz looks like the president's pocket company. He considers it to be a kind of strategic reserve, says that it is not a way to withdraw money from the budget, but is just such a tricky part of the budget structure:
                  “Yes, there is such a reserve as the money of Rosneftegaz. And we finance some things from there when the government forgets that there are priorities to pay attention to. "
                  Didn't he himself appoint such a government? It's amazing that he almost dispersed it - almost ...
                  Putin believes that the company's merit is that it sponsors a number of projects, even if these projects are the property of Rosneftegaz itself, and the company receives profits from these projects.
                  Is this good or bad? Considering what kind of government we had, good. Trusting money to Medvedev means not respecting yourself. Considering the failed policy with gas pipelines - bad. For it is Putin who decides where to pull the pipe.
                  So it turns out that the boyars are bad, and the tsar is not good, and Rosneftegaz did not help.
                  In general, there is a strong impression that Putin is trying to play some of his own internal economic hunger game, assigning the government the role of a child who, no matter what amuse himself, so as not to cry.
                  1. Ren
                    +2
                    29 July 2020 07: 29
                    Quote: depressant
                    At present, Rosneftegaz, created as a 100% state-owned company, is a company with an unclear owner.

                    Owner - FEDERAL STATE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AGENCY
                    OGRN - 1087746829994
                    TIN - 7710723134
                    Gearbox - 771001001
                    1. +2
                      29 July 2020 12: 41
                      Quote: Ren
                      Quote: depressant
                      At present, Rosneftegaz, created as a 100% state-owned company, is a company with an unclear owner.

                      Owner - FEDERAL STATE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AGENCY
                      OGRN - 1087746829994
                      TIN - 7710723134
                      Gearbox - 771001001

                      What exactly do you mean by the owner of the RF property in the form of FAUGI? How many and what shares and how does he dispose of the former - pre-privatization - property of Russia?
                      1. Ren
                        0
                        29 July 2020 12: 50
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        What exactly do you mean by the owner of the RF property in the form of FAUGI? How many and what shares and how does he dispose of the former - pre-privatization - property of Russia?

                        The question was that the person indicated: At the moment, Rosneftegaz is a company with an unclear owneralthough this information is transparent and public. It is not difficult to check any counterparty now. I indicated which legal entity is 100% owner - FAUGI.
                        Please enlighten:
                        How many and what shares and how does he dispose of the former - pre-privatization - property of Russia?
                      2. 0
                        29 July 2020 13: 19
                        Quote: Ren
                        I indicated which legal entity is 100% owner - FAUGI.
                        The fact of the matter is that people do not quite understand what is happening behind the façade of FAUGI. What kind of "gasket" is this that the same LADY started talking about continuing privatization in the Russian Federation? Let me remind you in the form of a historical REFERENCE.

                        The State Committee of Russia for State Property Management was created in the early 1990s to carry out economic reform in Russia on the transition from a planned economic system to a market economy through the denationalization of the socialist economy and the formation of a class of private owners that did not exist in the USSR through the gradual privatization of state property.
                        The State Committee of the RSFSR for Property Management (GKI of the RSFSR) was formed in July 1990. The committee exercised the powers of the owner in relation to enterprises belonging to the RSFSR. Since January 21, 1991, the committee has distinguished federal property, property of the republics that are part of the RSFSR, autonomous regions, autonomous districts, territories, as well as municipal property.
                        In 1997, the State Property Committee of the RSFSR was transformed into the Ministry of State Property of the Russian Federation (Ministry of State Property of Russia).

                        The program of privatization of state and municipal enterprises in Russia for 1992 provided for 4 methods of privatization: auction, commercial competition, lease with the right to purchase, corporatization.
                        At its first stage, privatization checks were used.
                        By mid-1994, joint stock companies were established in the course of voucher privatization. At the same time, voucher privatization eliminated the monopoly of state property in the national economy and made it possible to introduce the foundations of a multi-structured market economy.
                        In the same period, a system of institutional investors was also created in the form of voucher investment funds to attract FOREIGN - MONEY - investments into the Russian economy and the entry of the domestic economy into the existing system of world economic relations.
                        Monetary privatization made it possible to withdraw a significant part of state property from under the state directive management and to involve it in the market turnover. including the land market under the privatization objects.
                        In 1998, the goal of PRIVATIZATION in the Russian Federation was to radically increase the efficiency of the functioning of Russian enterprises and the national economic complex as a whole, by creating a wide layer of effective owners, actively attracting investments in the real sector of the Russian economy, restoring the functioning of the stock market, and optimizing the structure of state property. The approach to the privatization of enterprises has now become differentiated and dependent on their liquidity. And, as a result, privatization has become, first of all, an instrument for the implementation of structural policy and development of the country's economy.
                        By Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of March 9, 2004 N 314 "On the System and Structure of Federal Executive Bodies" the Ministry of State Property of the Russian Federation was transformed into the Federal Agency for Federal Property Management.
                3. +27
                  28 July 2020 18: 23
                  According to information in December 2018, we were told that:
                  1) Gazprom and Rosneft belong to the Russian Federation

                  That's right, if we imagine that our natural resources would really belong to the state, then money would be found for everything and the standard of living would be no worse than any European country and the retirement age would not be raised and pensioners would travel abroad. Yes, there is a lot that can be done with income from our resources .. The richest country in the world with a poor population .. Paradox ..
                  But we do not have the state, but LLC .. and the management of the Gauleiters .. That is why everything is so.
                  1. -18
                    28 July 2020 23: 03
                    Didn't everything belong to the people and the state under the USSR? And that pensioners traveled abroad?
                    1. +25
                      28 July 2020 23: 16
                      Quote: forpost
                      Didn't everything belong to the people and the state under the USSR? And that pensioners traveled abroad?

                      The USSR contained half of the world, while its own citizens were on full social security, the USSR had the largest army in the world ..
                      Now we do not support anyone, the population pays for everything itself, the army is 3,5 times smaller in number .. Where is Zin's money?
                      1. +7
                        28 July 2020 23: 29
                        You "broke the template" for him now. There will be no answer, just a "smokescreen" in the style of "North American contrasting animal".
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                      3. +6
                        29 July 2020 00: 04
                        Ask Prigogine to feed you something else. And the problem will disappear. Also, take a shower - it, among other things, also soothes.
                      4. +1
                        29 July 2020 04: 18
                        Alexey, there is a message for you - take a look in PM.
                      5. -13
                        29 July 2020 08: 48
                        Shoot yourself and there will be no need to remember about the goodies
                      6. -11
                        29 July 2020 08: 50
                        Only you have a curtain that smokes, look at you something is cracked
                      7. -20
                        28 July 2020 23: 48
                        In the USSR, the population lived under 300 million hands, no? The USSR did not contain half the world. I don't see much difference in social security then and today.
                4. Ren
                  +2
                  29 July 2020 07: 38
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  The founder of Rosneftegaz himself has been liquidated and who exactly owns the company is not clear.

                  Owner - FEDERAL STATE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AGENCY
                  OGRN - 1087746829994
                  TIN - 7710723134
                  Gearbox - 771001001
              3. +2
                28 July 2020 22: 58
                Quote: Ren
                Net proceeds from sales of PJSC "Gazprom":

                2017- 4313. 2018- 5.180 Net profit 2017 100 billion rubles 2018 955 billion rubles How can you pay for something that isn't there? Https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazprom
              4. +1
                28 July 2020 23: 03
                https://youtu.be/ddDpdfXlMxY
              5. -1
                29 July 2020 01: 29
                MOSCOW, May 14. / TASS /. Five European energy companies - Gazprom's partners in the Nord Stream 2 project - have already invested almost a billion euros in its implementation, that is, almost the entire capital expenditure budget for the project in the amount of € 8 billion has already been invested.

                Especially touches the concern for taxpayers ... European laughing
                Skomorokhov made fun of, he hasn't laughed like that for a long time
                1. -1
                  29 July 2020 18: 00
                  Only made you laugh ?! Yes, almost every article of his about "how bad they are" causes laughter. He describes everything so well and emotionally that you immediately stop believing him. And so in everything, from byaki Gazprom, ending with "the cannibal Stalin." And the fact that the root lies in capitalism (not even in home-grown, but in general) is not a word. Apparently a taboo was imposed on him.
                  1. -3
                    29 July 2020 20: 12
                    makes you laugh. He describes everything so well and emotionally that you immediately stop believing him.
                    That yes laughing he also squeezed the same article into KONT, it seems that he took a sickly row, but obviously he cannot cope with it, he got a kick and is forced to work out the quality in quantity bully
              6. +8
                29 July 2020 07: 12
                Taxes paid, other than income tax

                And now let's look at the income of the consolidated budget of the Russian Federation from taxes on personal income. persons:
                2017 - 3 billion rubles.
                2018 - 3 billion rubles.
                2019 - 3 billion rubles.
                To them, you can easily add income from VAT charges, because the costs for them are ultimately always paid by the consumer. And this:
                2017 - 5 billion rubles.
                2018 - 6 billion rubles.
                2019 - 7 billion rubles.
                The total amount that citizens put into the country's budget in 2019 - 11051,8 billion rubles! Practically in 8 times more than the state recovered from PJSC "Gazprom"!

                A reasonable question arises: whose contribution is greater and do we really need all these "effective managers"?

                PsAll figures are taken from the official website of the Ministry of Finance and are available at the link: https://minfin.gov.ru/ru/statistics/conbud/execute/?id_65=93449-yezhegodnaya_informatsiya_ob_ispolnenii_konsolidirovannogo_byudzheta_rossiiskoi_federayan_byudzheta_rossiiskoi_federayan
                1. +5
                  30 July 2020 00: 10
                  Quote: Dante
                  The total amount that citizens put into the country's budget in 2019 - 11051,8 billion rubles! Almost 8 times more than the state recovered from PJSC "Gazprom"!

                  A reasonable question arises: whose contribution is greater and do we really need all these "effective managers"?

                  Not only unnecessary, but CATEGORICALLY HARMFUL for the country!
                2. 0
                  2 August 2020 02: 15
                  Is this a call to return to Luddism?
                  Like let's destroy everything (Gazprom) and we will live, oh, how rich and fun!
                  Or for each individual a separate pumping station for oil and gas and two meters of pipe?
                  What are you campaigning for?
                  And, by the way, what about taxes from pumping chairs and pipe meters, who will pay and from what?
              7. -1
                30 July 2020 14: 31
                I agree with your
            2. +23
              28 July 2020 16: 12
              Quote: your1970
              There was such a country in the USSR ...
              There was a Gas Pipe Agreement ...

              I am very sorry, but in no case should the USSR and the Russian Federation be spoken of.
              The USSR is a superpower and the second economy in the world, and the Russian Federation is a "gas station" (in a broad sense) and a country that ebnoputinism has thrown into the category of third world countries, but with a nuclear club inherited from the USSR.
              The only thing that Putin's RF can do is lay pipes to please friends of a friend, cut the budget, plunder the national heritage and rob its own citizens.
              1. -27
                28 July 2020 18: 20
                That superpower could not even provide the population with basic goods, people washed their heads with the master's soap, sugar according to coupons. we went to Moscow time for baby food, even bread after 17:00 could not be bought. The USSR imported even the most basic goods, from grain to those very pipes, and for some reason Putin's friends managed to organize the production of pipes and grain. moreover, the USSR drove oil and gas to the west, but could not even feed people with the proceeds.
                1. +12
                  28 July 2020 21: 02
                  Quote: Telnet
                  That superpower could not even provide the population with basic goods, people washed their heads with the master's soap, sugar according to coupons. we went to Moscow time for baby food, even bread after 17:00 could not be bought. The USSR imported even the most basic goods, from grain to those very pipes, and for some reason Putin's friends managed to organize the production of pipes and grain. what is more, the USSR drove oil and gas to the west, but it could not even feed people with the proceeds.

                  Now I read you and I understand that I read the latest opinions of the Vlasovites negative These Vlasovites. Who was really a traitor in the Second World War. And who came to power in the 90s. You are Vlasovites am
                  1. -21
                    28 July 2020 22: 15
                    and I see a worthless creature who has screwed up the Motherland, who has nothing to answer the facts.
                    1. +2
                      28 July 2020 22: 23
                      Quote: Telnet
                      and I see a worthless creature who has screwed up the Motherland, who has nothing to answer the facts.

                      What are your facts? To put a song, the anthem of the Vlasovites? bully
                      1. -10
                        28 July 2020 22: 53
                        I have listed specific facts. have anything to say?
                      2. +4
                        28 July 2020 23: 00
                        Quote: Telnet
                        I have listed specific facts. have anything to say?
                        What other facts do you have there? We’ll discuss the Vlasov anthem as verse? Vlasov will try to call am
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                      4. +9
                        28 July 2020 23: 15
                        Quote: Telnet
                        but the fact that. fart loudly with indignation?
                        as it is in the Soviet way. fuck up the country and keep stinking.

                        Besides rudeness, is there anything else?
                      5. -13
                        28 July 2020 23: 29
                        I have listed above the facts that do not allow us to classify the USSR as a superdrzhava. repeat?
                        and the superpower could not even provide the population with basic goods
                        - people washed their heads with the master's soap
                        - sugar, soap according to coupons
                        - went for baby food in Moscow time
                        - you can't buy bread after 17:00, after lunch there is a queue even at the bakery for 20+ minutes

                        the USSR imported the most primitive goods, but the basic wealth at least at the level of Egypt, the third world country could not. The USSR imported both food products and pipes and sophisticated oil and gas equipment. computers illegally copied what he could, bought for more serious objects through third countries. at our factory Ibm personnel were purchased.
                      6. +11
                        29 July 2020 03: 51
                        Are you definitely writing about the USSR?
                        Sugar and soap on coupons when the USSR was practically gone.
                        Do all your memories of the USSR pass from 1987 to 1991?
                        That is, the apartments are free, medicine and education are no longer counted before 1987?
                        Just don't write about your grandfather, who lived his whole life with his family, in the amount of 72 people, in a communal apartment of 18 sq / m.
                      7. -3
                        31 July 2020 21: 37
                        Do you see the cons? Scatter off the forum
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                      9. +8
                        28 July 2020 23: 36
                        hi And you want to spend your time on this "one-day"? Spit!
                      10. +3
                        28 July 2020 23: 52
                        Quote: lexus
                        And you want to spend your time on this "one-day"? Spit!

                        And that's true, only time to waste.
                      11. -4
                        28 July 2020 23: 52
                        of course they will spit, there is nothing to answer the facts
                      12. -7
                        29 July 2020 00: 36
                        "And so everyone is on edge. Khabarovsk." Excuse me, what do you have to do with him? "Everything is on edge" - So just to blurt out something.
                      13. 0
                        29 July 2020 03: 53
                        The answer is - like any other sane Russian.
                        Or is Khabarovsk China for you?
                  2. +6
                    28 July 2020 23: 04
                    Quote: Observer2014
                    And who came to power in the 90s. You are Vlasovites

                    And the flag, by the way, is very similar.
                  3. +2
                    30 July 2020 10: 19
                    What the hell are you talking about? If there are no arguments, say so. A reasonable person always looks at things objectively and draws sound conclusions and does not seek to throw mud at his opponent.
                2. +10
                  28 July 2020 22: 41
                  Quote: Telnet
                  That superpower could not even provide the population with basic goods, people washed their heads with the master's soap, sugar according to coupons. we went to Moscow time for baby food, even bread after 17:00 could not be bought. The USSR imported even the most basic goods, from grain to those very pipes, and for some reason Putin's friends managed to organize the production of pipes and grain. moreover, the USSR drove oil and gas to the west, but could not even feed people with the proceeds.

                  Where did you get this nonsense?
                  1. +3
                    28 July 2020 22: 47
                    alekseykabanets (Alexey)
                    Quote: Telnet .... Where did you get this nonsense from?
                    The fact of the matter is that this is not nonsense, but a deliberate persecution of our great past. hi
                    1. +11
                      28 July 2020 22: 55
                      Quote: Observer2014
                      The fact of the matter is that this is not nonsense, but a deliberate persecution of our great past.

                      After all, I lived at that time, I remember how I washed my hair, I remember about large-diameter pipes and American (as far as I remember) sanctions, because the USSR itself began to make pipes. There were several dairy kitchens in my city, (200 thousand) as far as I remember they were free. Why make idiots out of us?
                      1. -9
                        28 July 2020 23: 19
                        then that you pissed away the country and people should understand - why that misunderstanding was exchanged for sausage, so as not to allow this again.
                        in riga soap according to coupons, milk after 14 can no longer be bought, there were only triangles in the Swedish tetrapak, but the industry of the ussr could not properly glue them because they were always leaky and sour milk.
                        and no need to lie about dairy kitchens, I was a first-grader, the USSR took 20 kopecks for milk, which was given during a long break.

                        the USSR purchased pipes and oil and gas equipment. CIA described in detail where and what it bought
                        https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000497186.pdf
                      2. +7
                        28 July 2020 23: 45
                        Quote: Telnet
                        in riga soap according to coupons, milk after 14 can no longer be bought

                        What year? I was in Vilnius in 1986-87, there were no problems with food and household goods. The coupons began later, when the renegades from the CPSU began to disintegrate the USSR.
                        Quote: Telnet
                        there were only triangles in a German tetrapack, but the industry of the USSR could not properly glue them because they were always full of holes and sour milk.

                        Maybe you have heard about the CMEA? The USSR did the same with triangular bags and tetrapacks. Do you know the leak rates in the dairy industry? These norms were not passed under the USSR, and they do not go beyond now. Even today you can see a carton of milk with a leak on the counter.
                        Quote: Telnet
                        and no need to lie about dairy kitchens, I was a first-grader, the USSR took 20 kopecks for milk, which was given during a long break.

                        If you are not an alternatively gifted character, then you should understand the difference between dairy cuisine and school meals, by the way, we were fed a full lunch at a big break. To lie that milk cost 20 kopecks at school. not necessary.
                        Quote: Telnet
                        the USSR purchased pipes and oil and gas equipment

                        Did you buy everything straight? And what kind of vomit is there on your link?
                        Quote: Telnet
                        then that you pissed away the country and people should understand - why that misunderstanding was exchanged for sausage, so as not to allow this again.

                        Your infantilism (Puchkov has a very apt statement, for you like you) surprises me, do you have everyone like that in Riga?
                      3. -7
                        29 July 2020 00: 06
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        What year? I was in Vilnius in 1986-87, there were no problems with food and household goods.

                        86-87 coupons for sugar and soap, 88 meat. and this is a showcase of the capital, in the Russian outback there were coupons already in the mid-70s, you can't write off the hump

                        From an anonymous letter from Kharkov received by the CPSU Central Committee in August 1975.

                        There are many factories in our city, every second living in it is a worker, and what can you buy in our stores? Nothing but vodka.
                        I had a wedding in January. This is the brightest day in life. And they began to prepare for it in advance. Let's go to the shop. Even sprat or saury (which in Moscow in any store in bulk) cannot be found on fire during the day. But what canned food, because you can't put them on the table alone. There is no hope for fresh vegetables and fruits in January. Let's make a fresh fish salad! And in the store, instead of fish, fresh-frozen sprat, which is so stale that Vaska's cat does not eat it. And the eggs? Last year in the summer there were a lot, and then, apparently, everyone ate them. And my fiance and I went for eggs to the city of Volzhsk, which is two hours from Kazan by train. It's good that it's so close. We see that in Volzhsk, meat is free on the shelves (pork, and beef, and chickens, and even turkeys), there has never been such a picture in Kazan. We stand and complain against each other that they took little money. After all, meat is hard to get at the bazaar in Kazan. Well, they somehow scraped it into one chicken. They wanted to knock out at the box office, but they asked us for some coupons ...

                        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/599324

                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Maybe you have heard about the CMEA? The USSR did the same with triangular bags and tetrapacks. Do you know the leak rates in the dairy industry? These norms were not passed under the USSR, and they do not go beyond now. Even today you can see a carton of milk with a leak on the counter.

                        you will not see this in riga. and in the USSR they flowed precisely because they were produced in the USSR. the line was purchased, but there it is necessary that the technology be maintained, the glue is not loosened, but the USSR ...

                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Did you buy everything straight? And what kind of vomit is there on your link?

                        it is called a historical document. not a blazer, not slogans of hamsters. historical document
                      4. +7
                        29 July 2020 00: 14
                        Quote: Telnet
                        and no need to lie about dairy kitchens, I was a first-grader, the USSR took 20 kopecks for milk, which was given during a long break.

                        Dairy kitchens are for babies, actually. What does milk have to do with school.
                        And did you drink almost a liter of milk? A liter bottle of milk cost about 35-40 kopecks, of which the mortgage price of a bottle was 20 kopecks. Don't take everyone for idiots.

                        soap in riga according to coupons

                        Overhaul however.
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                      6. -2
                        29 July 2020 09: 05
                        Yes. I have an alibi and I have the right to judge. after all, they pissed away not someone else's and distant country, but mine. but the trouble is not even that they pissed away mediocrely, but that they did not stop and continue to pull to the bottom.
                      7. +1
                        29 July 2020 14: 31
                        There is a simple logic here. They lived without war for 70 years, then they began to criticize the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, then they began to worship the achievements of capitalism, then they exchanged the Motherland itself for McDonald's and jeans. Then 30 years passed and people still think they voted for the union ...
                  2. -6
                    28 July 2020 22: 54
                    have something to dispute? try it.
                    1. +8
                      28 July 2020 23: 01
                      Quote: Telnet
                      have something to dispute? try it.

                      First, self-respecting adults use the pronoun you.
                      Second: what exactly to dispute? Write with a quote, so that it would be clear and your interlocutor saw what you wrote to him.
                      1. -4
                        28 July 2020 23: 33
                        adults and respectful people will not refute the facts with the phrase "Where did you get this nonsense?"
                      2. +5
                        28 July 2020 23: 50
                        Quote: Telnet
                        adults and respectful people will not refute the facts with the phrase "Where did you get this nonsense?"

                        Your so-called "facts" are the lies and delirium of a gray mare on a moonless night. See my comments above. As a child, did your mother teach you how to speak politely?
                3. +6
                  29 July 2020 00: 05
                  Quote: Telnet
                  That superpower could not even provide the population with basic goods, people washed their heads with the master's soap, sugar according to coupons. we went to Moscow time for baby food, even bread after 17:00 could not be bought. The USSR imported even the most basic goods, from grain to those very pipes, and for some reason Putin's friends managed to organize the production of pipes and grain. moreover, the USSR drove oil and gas to the west, but could not even feed people with the proceeds.

                  How old are you that you write such crap.?
                  For me, for example, 56. I washed my head with shampoo, and there were many of them and natural ones. By the way, they also washed it for the household, but there was a rumor that it had a good effect on the hair.
                  Bread was always available at any time and inexpensively .. Sugar on coupons is a restructuring. Baby food was piled up in all stores, again, except for the perestroika years. In the course, because the first child was born in 87th. Yes, from time to time there was a shortage of something: toilet paper, sausage for example. But not all the time. Good clothes and shoes were in short supply at full shelves.
                  By the way, they did not buy pipes, there was a barter deal for large-diameter pipes for the gas pipeline, the so-called gas-pipe contract.
                  Yes, Russia is making progress. The USSR bought grain abroad, and Russia threw off all the freeloaders and became the largest grain exporter. Chickens are already being exported.
                  1. -6
                    29 July 2020 00: 21
                    I am younger, but I remember the bottom into which the country was turned. my family bought 2 loaves for 22 kopecks. two! now it's probably a monthly rate. meat in the sense that is now being invested was not at all. bones were and wastes of meat, how something was prepared from those bones remained a mystery to me. but I remember the first McDonald's. after the Soviet canteen, that soy shit made an indelible impression. smooth potatoes. I could not believe that this happens. I bought 10 kg per week, of which 3-4 kg was rot.
                    the USSR paid for pipes and other oil and gas equipment in the well, there are CIA reports
                    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000497186.pdf
                    1. +1
                      29 July 2020 07: 48
                      Dear Telnet. "... the bottom into which the country was turned I remember ..." - Your phrase. This bottom appeared during the transition from socialism to capitalism "with a human face." There are authors of the ideology of the transition to market relations in the country: "... The population must clearly understand that the government does not guarantee a place of work and a standard of living, but guarantees only life itself ..." (Analytical note of the Association of Socio-Economic Sciences (ASEN), prepared in March 1990 and published in the June (No. 6, 1990) issue of the journal “Century XX and the World.” ASEN was created in 1989 and headed by A. Chubais. The note is an intellectual substantiation of the program of market reform of the new ( turned out to be the last) of the USSR government under the leadership of V. Pavlov, who replaced the government of N. Ryzhkov in January 1991)
                      1. -2
                        29 July 2020 11: 44
                        Quote: AA17
                        This bottom appeared during the transition from socialism to capitalism "with a human face."

                        Well, again, it's not true. the bottom was pierced long before the hump. at adropov, the perimeter of our plant was patrolled by militia with dogs. dogs carl. raided shops. the bottom line was that the cantor’s divided the area into sectors, climbed out through the holes in the fence past the checkpoint and combed the shops in search of food. the police caught them with the dogs.
                        people are looking for food, and the socialist state raids them with dogs. but people really have nothing to feed their children with. by 17:00 the shelves are stupidly empty.

                        perestroika is only a consequence. people could not already exist in such shit. the fact that perestroika was led by largely rotten little people is also an inevitable consequence of the flawed Stalinist system. only rot without principle could occupy a warm place in the steel-built system. in the party everything was built around special canteen, special rations and departmental sanatoriums. These fucks and humps were not brought from Mars, the Communist Party purposefully cultivated this rot and imparted rotten values ​​from school. and it's not about specific characters, the whole population of a rotten country was changing the country for sausage. quite deliberately changed.
                    2. 0
                      3 August 2020 23: 08
                      There was meat, otherwise how would I eat meatballs as a schoolboy. Moreover, it is not so rare.
                      No, I am not from a family of party nomenklatura - I grew up without a father, my mother is an engineer.
                      By the way, we received 2 apartments during my school years - first a one-room apartment in Khrushchev, and then a 2-room apartment in Novstroy.
                      The bones were a soup set. The chickens were cyanotic, but without hormones. Potatoes and vegetables in general, yes, no one would buy this now. We usually bought potatoes not in the store, brought them to the enterprise by cars from Beorussia and Ukraine, bought several bags at once. Usually the potatoes were good, but there were problems with harnessing.
                      However, everything was at the bazaar. And there were also Koptorgov shops, where heaps of everything, even smoked sausage. But for 8-10 rubles. In general, the deficit is a consequence of low prices.
                      And in the stores, they sold a ham and pensioners stood behind it. Now many retirees can afford it?
                      And I was surprised by all the same pensioners who bought very heavy cream in small tregol bags, it seems 250g each - in the first place they were expensive, and in the second they were somehow not very good for health in old age. I tried to drink one time, I couldn't, it was too cloying. At that time they did not put in coffee or tea, so they just drank it. Now the cream is not even put where the usual milk is, but separately, with a shelf life of almost a couple of years.
                      By the way, we started to make bread better than under the USSR just 10 years ago, the competition is forcing. And before that, you can't compare.
                      And don't forget about the communal apartment, which cost a penny. I was always surprised when it slipped in foreign films that again the bills have to be paid, everything is expensive. I could not understand in any way that they were paying for everything there. Now I know.
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                  3. 0
                    2 August 2020 18: 30
                    My mother still advises me to wash my head with laundry soap. And she herself had a huge collection of very different soaps. Her hobby was collecting such soap. I liked the colored labels and the smell. All this collection of Soviet soap was spent somewhere in the 90s.
                4. +6
                  29 July 2020 00: 49
                  Dear Telnet. "... that superpower could not even provide the population with basic goods ...". What you have listed is not the most important thing. You are just very young, and if you are not young, then your Memory has disappeared. That Superpower earned respect in the WORLD. European countries behaved ingratiatingly in negotiations on world problems. The United States respected the military potential of the USSR and did not behave as brazenly as it is now. That Superpower provided free housing for most of its population. In that Superpower, medicine, education, vouchers to sanatoriums, vouchers to pioneer camps were free, housing and communal services were of symbolic importance, for children free sports sections and free classes in various circles at the Palaces of Pioneers. That Superpower defeated Nazi Germany in the 1941-1945 war. under the leadership of I.V. Stalin. She was the first in the world to launch a satellite into Space, to put a spaceship with a Man into Earth orbit. Manufactured products in the USSR accounted for more than 20% of world GDP. And you: "... could not even provide the population with basic goods, people washed their heads with the master's soap, sugar according to coupons. They went to Moscow time for baby food, even bread after 17:00 could not be bought. The USSR imported even the most basic goods ... ". How did you get it small, pale and mean.
                  P.S. “I don’t like generalizations. And the categorical expression“ anti-Soviet always Russophobe ”always jarred me.
                  But, damn it, why did absolutely all the anti-Soviets that I met on my way turn out to be Russophobes? There have been no exceptions yet. "(C)
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                5. 0
                  1 August 2020 01: 22
                  It's strange I washed my head with shampoo and bought sugar without coupons and there were heaps of bread in a nearby bakery .. are you talking about Pakistan Cholet?
                6. +1
                  2 August 2020 12: 13
                  when were you born? here I live in a city that used to be a pillar of the radio-electronic industry, where everything was produced, from transistors, resistors and microcircuits, to complex equipment using this component base, there were scientists developing and building automated lines, producing unique electric motors that were reliable and did not require maintenance , produced their own TVs, etc. .. even dozens of aircraft were produced, with domestic avionics .. and now? where is it all?
              2. +1
                28 July 2020 23: 56
                Quote: Malyuta
                a country that eboputinism threw in the category of third world countries, but with a nuclear club,

                I am embarrassed to ask - where did Yeltsinism throw Russia away, don't you remember?
              3. -6
                29 July 2020 00: 30
                You have a gas station instead of a gray matter in your skull - apparently a serious pathology.
              4. 0
                29 July 2020 14: 51
                You forgot to add that Russia took the first place in grain exports in 19/20. Not with all the "gas station". Also on the construction of nuclear power plants in the world, also in the top)
            3. +6
              28 July 2020 18: 56
              Quote: your1970
              There was such a country in the USSR ...
              There was a Gas Pipe Agreement ...
              We have built gas pipelines, everything is great ...
              Neither Timchenko nor Rotenbergs were observed, of course ...
              And then the oil crisis of the 70s happened and gas fell in price for the company with oil ...
              And for two years the USSR pumped gas to Europe for free, quite practically - the operating costs barely covered
              And even the social camp ...

              belay FAQ-oh-oh? !!!
              This is from what sources did you find out that in 1973, the "oil crisis" caused by the "oil embargo", which was introduced by the Arab countries against the countries that supported Israel in the "Six Day War" - led to a drop in oil prices ??
              On the contrary, prices have increased significantly. It was after this "crisis" that the USSR "got on the oil needle".
              The fourth Arab-Israeli war caused an embargo on the supply of Middle East oil to Western countries, The Soviet Union became an almost monopoly supplier of energy resources and earned a lot of petrodollars from this.

              The situation developed at lightning speed. Already on October 8, 1973, on the second day of the Yom Kippur War, negotiations on the price of oil between the Arab organization of exporting countries, AOPEC, and the main consumers were curtailed in Vienna. Eight days later,Our oil prices soar to $ 7,15 / barrel, although during the sixties it was kept at $ 3-4 / barrel. On October XNUMX, King Faisal of Saudi Arabia announced the cessation of oil supplies to the United States, Western Europe and South Africa. The decision was supported by other Arab countries, including Japan in the list of countries under the oil embargo.

              https://finance.rambler.ru/markets/41523924/utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink


              After the energy crisis of 1973, the USSR quickly increased the volume of oil exports to Western countries, which, unlike allies in the socialist camp, were paying in hard currency. From 1970 to 1980, this figure increased 1,5 times - from 44 to 63,6 million tons. After another five years, it reached 80,7 million tons. 3 And ​​all this against the background of rapidly growing oil prices.

              The volume of foreign exchange earnings of the USSR from oil exports are amazing. If in 1970 the revenue of the USSR was $ 1,05 billion, then in 1975 it was already $ 3,72 billion, and by 1980 it had increased to $ 15,74 billion. Almost 15 times! This was a new factor in the country's development.

              https://rg.ru/2016/04/25/rodina-neft.html

              This statistic shows average annual prices for certain types of OPEC oil

              Shl. But in 1986, the same "Saud" significantly dropped oil prices and the collapse of the economy began to develop in the USSR.
              1. +2
                28 July 2020 19: 28
                You have forgotten the main thing - the Gas Pipe Agreement was credit... If it hadn't been for the price spike in 1973, we still don't know how much gas would have pumped for nothing ...
                1. +2
                  28 July 2020 20: 06
                  Quote: your1970
                  You have forgotten the main thing - the Gas Pipe Agreement was credit... If it hadn't been for the price spike in 1973, we still don't know how much gas would have pumped for nothing ...

                  Quote from the tutorial
                  loans provided by Western European banks to cover imports of equipment, pipes and various materials as part of the gas-pipes deal. This deal ensured the supply of Soviet natural gas to the FRG, Austria, Italy, France and other countries. Under this program, the USSR received loans for $ 11 billion, which began to be repaid in 1984.

                  source:
                  Popova G.V. State credit and public debt: Textbook. manual / RSEU "RINH". - Rostov-n / D, 2004 .-- p. 269 ​​.-- ISBN 5 - 7972 - 0750 - 8.
                  https://bib.convdocs.org/v19793/?cc=1&page=4
                  1. +1
                    28 July 2020 22: 25
                    and not only pipes. CIA report
                    SOVIET ECONOMIC DEPENDENCE ON THE WEST, 1982

                    During the 1970s the USSR bought about $ 5 billion worth of oil and gas equipment from the West - about $ 800 million worth from United States alone. (These figures exclude large-diameter pipe, discussed on page 19) The Soviets continue to purchase Western eqipment to minimize the fall of production in declining fields ...
                    ...
                    The Soviets plan to nearly double the amount of drilling for oil and gas in 1981-1985 and to increase it futher in the late 1980s, but their drilling productivity is poor by international standarts. Western rings, drill pipe, tool joints, drill bits, blow-out preventors, and drilling - fluid technology alreadfy provide substanial aid to Soviet drilling efforts.
                    ...
                    Gas Pipeline Equipment. Althought the CEMA countries produce most of their own oil pipeline equipment the USSR relies extensively on the West for gas pipeline equipment - large-diameter pipe and valves, compressors, and pipelayers. The USSR imported 10-12 million tons of pipe in the past decade at a cost of $ 4-5 billion.
          2. +18
            28 July 2020 12: 09
            This topic received more or less widespread attention 2 years ago with:
            "On May 22, Sberbank CIB fired analyst Alexander Fek, who in his report criticized the management of Gazprom for ineffective decisions. The document, prepared by Fack with the participation of another Sberbank CIB analyst Anna Kotelnikova, hit the media on May 21, although it is intended for wide distribution. was not - only the company's clients were supposed to see it. It said that the main benefit from the construction of gas pipelines abroad would be received not by Gazprom shareholders, but by contractor companies associated with friends of Russian President Vladimir Putin. "
            If you look at the situation logically - and so it turns out. But here the main "merit" probably belongs to the state, which uses Gazprom for political purposes as well. But it doesn't seem to be very effective, to put it mildly.
          3. -9
            28 July 2020 12: 41
            Quote: Tatiana

            With regard to the gas and oil industry of the Russian Federation, everything that has been said above looks like a deliberate bankruptcy by the Russian leaders of the entire gas and oil industry of Russia and then with its complete and final "resale" for a penny (simply transferring) to foreign owners in terms of the CONTINUATION of the collective West (USA) COLNIZATION of Russia.


            How has oil and gas processing changed over 18 years?

            Below the video is a list of factories from the video. There are 17 of them, it turns out at the giant plant every year.


            To understand the scale - the cost of two stages of modernization of the Omsk refinery is 600 billion rubles, and the construction of the Tatarstan oil refining complex in Nizhnekamsk is estimated at 384 billion rubles.
          4. -15
            28 July 2020 12: 56
            A list of petrochemical plants built from scratch over the past 18 years, each of which was worth hundreds of billions of rubles.

            Oil refinery Khabarovsk,
            Refinery Northern Kuzbass,
            Refinery Anzhersky,
            Yayskiy Refinery
            Omsk Refinery,
            Omsk Polypropylene Plant
            Refinery Antipinsky,
            Orsk Refinery
            Gazprom neftekhim Salavat,
            Refinery Bitumen
            Bashneft-UNPZ,
            Bashneft-Novoil
            Lukoil-Permnefteorgsintez
            Nizhnekamskneftekhim
            Tatarstan Oil Refining Complex (TANECO)
            Kuibyshev Refinery
            Novokuibyshevsk Refinery
            Syzran Refinery
            Saratov Refinery
            LUKOIL-Volgogradneftepererabotka
            Lukoil-Nizhegorodnefteorgsintez
            Tuapse Refinery
            Refinery Afipsky
            Ilskiy refinery
            RusVinyl
            Refinery Novoyaroslavsky
            Ryazan Refinery
            NOVATEK-Ust-Luga
            Oil refinery Kirishsky,
            Novoshakhtinsky refinery
            Moscow Refinery
            Novourengoy gas chemical complex,
            SIBUR-Khimprom
            GPP Permsky
            GPP Astrakhan
            ZapSibNeftekhim,
            Tobolsk Petrochemical Plant
            Refinery Stavrolen,
            Komsomolsky refinery
            Angarsk Refinery
            Achinsk Refinery
            Refinery Gazprom Neft Orenburg

            From the USSR we got an industry in which, for example, the output of gasoline was about 70%, the rest is fuel oil - waste of petrochemical production. Fuel oil was burned in boilers and power plants, killing nature; it was exported in large volumes. More than 30% of the produced oil - fuel oil, waste
            Today Russia does not export fuel oil and almost does not produce it. Fuel oil production in 2019 amounted to 47,3 million tonnes, which is the lowest figure in more than 50 years.

            Finished products, such as diesel fuel, gasoline, polymers, took its place in the export of oil products. Because the global restructuring of the industry made it possible to achieve oil refining at many refineries. On average, the oil refining depth in 100 was 2019%, (the average European level), whereas in 82,7 it was 1999%.

            The volume of oil refining in 2019 amounted to 290 million tons. - 3rd place in the world: after the United States (approximately 800 million tons in 2019) and China (more than 650 million tons), but ahead of India (250 million tons) . That is, today we process about 60% of the oil produced in the country inside the country.

            And, what pleases, we do not stop there. Today we have already exceeded the indicators of the USSR in oil and gas processing, and we have done this at a new technological level, having built a new industry - much more efficient. But a number of giant factories are being built in the country today, which will soon lead our country to the absolute leaders in many areas of oil refining, allowing in many cases to abandon the export of crude oil, replacing it with products of deep processing. This is an obvious strategy for our country, which has been actively pursued over the past 18 years.
            1. +21
              28 July 2020 13: 16
              A list of petrochemical plants built from scratch over the past 18 years, each of which was worth hundreds of billions of rubles.
              You don't need to lie. Offhand checked the Syzran oil refinery, put into operation in 1942.
              1. -14
                28 July 2020 13: 29
                Quote: Undecim
                A list of petrochemical plants built from scratch over the past 18 years, each of which was worth hundreds of billions of rubles.
                You don't need to lie. Offhand checked the Syzran oil refinery, put into operation in 1942.

                From 2012 to 2016, this enterprise underwent a complete modernization ... in fact, we received a new enterprise - what is wrong? for example, I posted the video above ... they compare what it was, what it became ..
                And this is news from 16

                1. +18
                  28 July 2020 13: 31
                  You don’t understand the difference between “built from scratch” and “completely modernized”? Or are you kidding?
                  1. -16
                    28 July 2020 13: 37
                    Quote: Undecim
                    You don’t understand the difference between “built from scratch” and “completely modernized”? Or are you kidding?

                    Well, if you cling to words, then yes, there is a difference, but in fact the output is a completely new enterprise ... Are wording more important to you? Or a running enterprise? And the question was (comrade Tatyana) that everything in the oil and gas industry is leading to bankruptcy, I posted data that this is not so, you clung to the wording ...
                    1. +7
                      28 July 2020 13: 43
                      Now you have already begun to play up, it seems like someone clings to the words. You wrote directly and unambiguously: "Built from scratch." This means - from scratch. It turned out that it was not completely empty and not from scratch. Do you remember Bulgakov? "I congratulate you, citizen of a mess ... lied!"
                      1. -12
                        28 July 2020 13: 46
                        Quote: Undecim
                        Now you have already begun to play up, it seems like someone clings to the words. You wrote directly and unambiguously: "Built from scratch." This means - from scratch. It turned out that it was not completely empty and not from scratch. Do you remember Bulgakov? "I congratulate you, citizen of a mess ... lied!"

                        My friend, if the old "Khrushchev" is demolished and a new house is being built in its place, this does not mean that the new house was not built from scratch ...
                        Do you see the fact of bankruptcy of these enterprises? Here Comrad Tatiana sees!
                      2. +17
                        28 July 2020 13: 50
                        My friend, as a person who built and reconstructed houses and factories, I can tell you that you are engaged in verbiage.
                      3. -16
                        28 July 2020 13: 55
                        Quote: Undecim
                        My friend, as a person who built and reconstructed houses and factories, I can tell you that you are engaged in verbiage.

                        Let me do verbiage, if you like it so much ... But the fact that the factories are not bankrupt, I hope you won't deny? How would you comment on the comrade Tatiana? Will she be verbiage or not? Where is your adherence to principles? Builder...
                      4. +12
                        28 July 2020 14: 05
                        This is a completely different question - the influence of propaganda on the minds of citizens. As a result, people are afraid of Babai in childhood, and when they grow up, of the Collective West.
                      5. -7
                        28 July 2020 14: 13
                        Quote: Undecim
                        This is a completely different question - the influence of propaganda on the minds of citizens. As a result, people are afraid of Babai in childhood, and when they grow up, of the Collective West.

                        Now you have started playing ... laughing The only thing is that at least I came out with some information, and you just for "hook" ... Well, okay, these are now such Internet battles in fashion ...
                      6. +3
                        28 July 2020 14: 22
                        In my opinion, my answer is very clear and clearly shows my attitude to the comment, which you mentioned. Or do you only accept the wording of the police protocol?
                      7. -3
                        28 July 2020 14: 36
                        Ornateness on one issue and stoop to parsing the meanings of words on another issue do not imply the same commentator's approach ...
                        However, I don't care ... I gave out information - those who are really interested in the problems of the oil and gas sector of the economy may be interested, but for those who are just like a thorn in the eye, just for irritation, which is no longer a bad thing .. it turns out - in fact I killed two birds with one stone !!! Thank you for the conversation and goodbye. .. At least you were polite, for which I respect you.
                      8. 0
                        28 July 2020 23: 41
                        You have an iron grip, Viktor Nikolaevich. My regards. hi
                      9. -2
                        28 July 2020 20: 21
                        Quote: Nasr
                        Let me do verbiage, if you like it so ...

                        Dear Evlampy, as a person who has been building and reconstructing houses and factories for more than a dozen years, I can tell you that you are absolutely right, and it is your opponent who is engaged in verbiage: to carry out a deep modernization of the antediluvian crumbling wreck, in most cases, is not cheaper, but much more expensive and harder than building a factory from scratch.

                        For you have to first demolish, dismantle, cut, take out, dispose of, rehabilitate, and only then build, assemble and adjust.
                      10. -4
                        28 July 2020 15: 55
                        Don't you understand that since 42, only the land under the enterprise has remained? Everything related to production is new. You play it up, adjusting the facts to fit your theory.
                      11. 0
                        28 July 2020 20: 30
                        Quote: Xenofont
                        that since 42, only land remained under the enterprise?

                        land crammed with rubbish of old communications, flooded, dirtied, poisoned, loaded with thousands of tons of dilapidated dangerous structures that need to be found, excavated, cut, dismantled, taken out, disposed of, and only then, in fact, build - anew.
                      12. -1
                        28 July 2020 21: 32
                        Exactly. The work is huge, and everyone who believes that the Soviet legacy could function forever and endlessly is either naive or trying to discredit the current industry. The government, for one reason or another, is interested in development, albeit a point one.
                  2. +14
                    28 July 2020 15: 41
                    Quote: Nasr
                    List built from scratch petrochemical plants over the past 18 years.

                    Quote: Undecim
                    You don't need to lie. Offhand checked the Syzran oil refinery, put into operation in 1942.

                    Checked out a couple too. The result is the same!
                    Orsk Refinery was commissioned on December 24 1935 years.
                    Omsk Refinery in 1955 year.

                    So the above list of factories, they say, built from scratch, It turned out to be pure bullshit.
                    1. -5
                      28 July 2020 15: 53
                      Quote: Stas157

                      Orsk Refinery was commissioned on December 24 1935 years.
                      Omsk Refinery in 1955 year.

                      .


                      I attached a video, but you haven't watched it: watching Orsk 1,47 min. Omsk 0,33 min., Syzran Refinery 5,37 min .. I think it will become clear from the video what I was talking about ...

                    2. +4
                      28 July 2020 23: 57
                      Stas, you rarely spoil us with your sparkling comments. Whatever the different "NasRati" say, I know firsthand how these "zeros" are born. The Ryazan Refinery, for example, was "modernized" with used equipment from the Netherlands, and as far as I remember, this "best deal" made Dutch / Shell incredibly happy. I dare to believe that other refineries are no exception. There, probably, some "Chevrons" and "Totals" got rich.
                  3. -3
                    28 July 2020 22: 58
                    It is cheaper to build from scratch more often, or don't you understand? Or are you kidding?
                    1. -3
                      29 July 2020 21: 50
                      "More often it is cheaper to build from scratch or do you not understand? Or are you fooling?"
                      and what is there in this list built from scratch? all-Soviet legacy
                      1. 0
                        29 July 2020 23: 51
                        I don’t know, I said that it’s cheaper to build something new, or do I not understand?
              2. +3
                28 July 2020 20: 43
                and the Tuapse Refinery was launched in 1929 .. Elampy wrote
                "List of greenfield petrochemical plants in the last 18 years."
                Then he began to speak-re-instruction is a new one .. and who is engaged in verbiage?
                1. -4
                  29 July 2020 00: 47
                  In fact, everything that was demolished and new ones were built.
                  1. +1
                    29 July 2020 09: 13
                    Tuapse Refinery "The refinery reconstruction project began in 2017." in fact, nothing has been demolished yet, they are only reconstructing and demolishing nothing yet, in fact, everything is working soviet today, although construction is underway. I will repeat the question, who is engaged in verbiage, having said that this is a new plant built from scratch, operating today? during the reconstruction, only the columns themselves and the main equipment are changed, and the plant is somewhat larger, so talking about "from scratch" in any scenario will not work, in fact ..
                  2. -1
                    29 July 2020 21: 53
                    "In fact, everything that was demolished and built new."
                    and you try to demolish an entire refinery and build a new one. in the current realities this is impossible - no one and no reason. and they will build for 20 years
              3. -4
                29 July 2020 00: 42
                "I checked the Syzran oil refinery offhand, commissioned in 1942". And he still works on equipment for 42 years?
              4. +1
                29 July 2020 21: 46
                "A list of petrochemical plants built from scratch over the past 18 years. Each of these plants was worth hundreds of billions of rubles.
                You don't need to lie. Offhand checked the Syzran oil refinery, commissioned in 1942. "
                LLC Stavrolen-Prikumskiy plastics plant-1975. probably the overwhelming majority was built in the ussr, then it was only modernized slowly
            2. +14
              28 July 2020 13: 39
              Almost the entire list is Soviet enterprises. Built 50-80 years ago, including the Kuibyshevsky refinery, the Novokuibyshevsky refinery, the Syzran refinery, the Moscow refinery and many, many others.
              1. -14
                28 July 2020 13: 41
                Quote: forty-eighth
                Almost the entire list is Soviet enterprises. Built 50-80 years ago, including the Kuibyshevsky refinery, the Novokuibyshevsky refinery, the Syzran refinery, the Moscow refinery and many, many others.

                Yes, but they have been completely rebuilt .... as if a new apartment building had been built on the site of the old "Khrushchev" building ...
                1. -1
                  29 July 2020 22: 05
                  And what, they were all rebuilt yesterday? They were modernized for the entire service life, including in Soviet times. the fact that some of them have been rebuilt in the past 18 years does not mean anything yet
              2. -8
                28 July 2020 15: 57
                Yes, nothing Soviet remained of them. Have you heard about the depreciation of fixed assets?
                1. -1
                  29 July 2020 22: 09
                  "Yes, there is nothing Soviet from them"
                  they themselves stayed. if they had not been built under the Soviets, they would never have been built now
            3. +24
              28 July 2020 13: 51
              Well, why don't gas and petrol prices fall with so many refineries? With such a number of refineries, there should be an overproduction crisis and a fall in prices! Why is this not happening in Russia? Did we lie? Capitalism in Russia is the wrong system? Or are factories only on paper? Or maybe all products are traded for currency? Why is there no crisis of overproduction and price declines?
              1. -11
                28 July 2020 13: 53
                Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                With such a number of refineries, there should be an overproduction crisis and a fall in prices!

                Who told you that? Why do you sacredly believe in this?
              2. 0
                29 July 2020 09: 15
                but because 90 percent of what is produced, for example, by the Tuapse Oil Refinery is exported .. they pay more there, so capitalism in this case is just that system ..
            4. +5
              28 July 2020 15: 34
              The Khabarovsk refinery has also been standing for a long time, it belongs to the NNK Alliance, it has been modernized, yes, there seems to be Turkish equipment, 95 gasoline seems to be nothing, but it costs a lot
              1. -6
                28 July 2020 16: 03
                Quote: Most Kind
                The Khabarovsk refinery has also been standing for a long time, it belongs to the NNK Alliance, it has been modernized, yes, there seems to be Turkish equipment, 95 gasoline seems to be nothing, but it costs a lot

                Request to review the video on the Khabarovsk refinery, I have already posted it here several times ... you will understand everything about what is at stake ... The video begins with the Khabarovsk refinery
            5. +13
              28 July 2020 16: 44
              Quote: Nasr
              A list of petrochemical plants built from scratch over the past 18 years, each of which was worth hundreds of billions of rubles.

              You look funny, basically these factories were inherited from the USSR and were privatized for pennies by eboputinism. In addition, the indicated amounts for "reconstruction" can be safely divided by 2, since the second part has already successfully "left" for offshore.
              And now the question is, why is there such shitty gasoline / diesel fuel at the super-duper reconstructed factories and at the same time so expensive?
              Evlampy, enough to wrap cotton wool in your ears, there are grown-up UNCLE ...
              1. +4
                29 July 2020 00: 17
                Remember the story of importing equipment with feathers and faeces inside for a poultry farm at the height of the bird flu? It would be surprising if such a "trick" was not attempted in the oil and gas sector. And others, others.
              2. -5
                29 July 2020 00: 53
                "There are grown-up UNCHES .." Nope - there are senile people and all sorts of whiners. And at the expense of gasoline I refueled in the Astrakhan region of the Volgograd Moscow Voronezh region - the fuel is normal.
            6. 0
              1 August 2020 01: 38
              Most of all, the prices for gas stations are great - a cool strategy
            7. 0
              2 August 2020 18: 35
              You can't get a job off the street in everything related to oil. Even though you will be a specialist three times. Take only out of acquaintance.
          5. -12
            28 July 2020 13: 32
            Quote: Tatiana
            looks like a deliberate bankruptcy by Russian leaders of the entire gas and oil industry in Russia and then with its full and final "resale" for a penny (simply transfer) to foreign owners

            why so hard?
            why Putin has suspended the transfer of Yukos (Rosneft) to multinational companies? to pass in 20 years?
            looks like .... you have a very short memory!
            1. +6
              29 July 2020 00: 20
              Forgot Tatiana with the "duty" question to "bestow" - from Ukraine or not. FSE memory! laughing
              1. 0
                3 August 2020 10: 59
                Quote: lexus
                Forgot Tatiana with the "duty" question to "bestow" - from Ukraine or not.

                did not forget! just, the Americans turned off the Internet for me))))))))))))
            2. -1
              1 August 2020 01: 44
              You would give a wallet from which you can take money
          6. -2
            28 July 2020 22: 43
            I absolutely agree with the author! Itself has often paid attention to this.
            And I will say even more ...


            No. You don't have to agree with the highly respected Author. And emotionally talk about things that you don't understand very well. Even if you are a "marshal".

            Let's start with the main thing. From cod.

            The only strange thing is that in 2018 and 2019, the pipeline was driven without bothering with cod, but in 2020, cod turned out to be more important. And it is near the island of Bornholm.


            Just "bother". Because, unlike you, dear Author, they knew that the Baltic cod spawns from May to October only in three regions - in the Bornholm, Gdansk and Gotland depressions. The Gdansk Hollow lies away from the "thread", but the builders passed the islands of Gotland and Bornholm in the autumn-winter-spring period.

            http://www.fish-seafood.ru/news/detail.php_ID=43773.html

            Where and when was SP2 stopped? That's right, in the Bornholm island area ... December 23, 2019. When can you formally continue construction? That's right, in November 2020.

            Further...

            Denmark is against it. And after all, how beautifully the descendants of Hamlet put a spoke in the wheels ... They sank thousands of tons of ammunition (where they got it - that's the question!) ...


            And here is the answer. The Danes did not sink any ammunition. These are the Anglo-American allies in 1945, thus getting rid of captured German chemical weapons. Part of it was flooded just in the areas of the Bornholm and Gotland troughs. It is even strange that the author who writes so actively on this site does not know such things.

            Details can be found, for example, here ...
            https://lv.sputniknews.ru/world/20170330/4314934/Baltijskoe-more-himoruzhie-VOV-utilizacija.html

            Quoting the Author

            So all this will drag on for a long time, the only question is, at whose expense. Meanwhile, the cost of SP-2 is approaching 10 billion.


            You can hardly be considered an expert in this matter. So far, the facts indicate that 93% of the pipeline has been built. If it is possible to convince the Danes that the spawning area has been passed, then construction will begin in September, if not, in November. Completion time 2-3 months.

            Recent data

            On July 6, 2020, the Danish energy agency DEA authorized the continuation of the pipeline construction, taking into account the use of new pipe-laying vessels. Piping can be resumed on 3 August 2020. [79]

            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BA_%E2%80%94_2#2019

            At whose expense? It is clear for whom - the Swiss company Nord Stream 2 AG. Your money, dear author, will definitely not be needed.

            I will clarify the cost. Approaching 9.5 billion euros. As planned from the beginning.

            Utopia turns out in the literal sense. And if you count everything ...


            "Utopia" is just what you get. You are drowning in unreliability (let's say). The reality is different.
            Now let's count. Arithmetic never scared me.

            The construction operator is the Swiss company Nord Stream 2 AG.

            Nord Stream 2 AG is a project company established for the planning, construction and subsequent operation of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. The company is headquartered in Zug, Switzerland. PJSC Gazprom is the founder of Nord Stream 2 AG

            https://www.nord-stream2.com/ru/kompaniia/aktsioner-i-investory/

            The project cost is 9,5 billion euros, of which half is financed by European companies Engie, OMV, Shell, Uniper and Wintershall. Thus, Gazprom's expenses will amount to 4.75 billion euros. Taking into account the latest events - about 5 billion euros.

            But the Author, together with his friend Calculator, produced something completely different.

            And the people are paying for all this disgrace... Which once again raise prices. But which once again, with shouts of "Glory!" expresses confidence in the whole matter.

            Indeed, we live in interesting times ...

            And what do we end up with? Calculator, your way out!

            Nord Stream 2 - 10 billion dollars, or 700 billion rubles.


            Author! Show your finger for what "disgrace" and what kind of "people" are paying? Pays by Gazprom and European firms. And where did you expect "10 billion dollars, or 700 billion rubles"?

            I don't even want to reflect on the rest of the article.

            I suggest the Author look here
            https://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81+%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC&oq=%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81+%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B9&aqs=chrome.1.0l8.11390j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
            and look at the price of Gazprom shares over the past 5 years.

            Why is the rate today, 27.06.20/2014/2015, higher than it was in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, XNUMX and in the first half of XNUMX?
            Why was the rate soaring by 60% in the second half of 2019, when Gazprom's expenses were at their maximum?
            And most importantly, why don't majority and minority shareholders run if your article has anything to do with reality?
            1. +5
              28 July 2020 23: 10
              Quote: crashing
              of which half are financed by European companies Engie, OMV, Shell, Uniper and Wintershall.

              It's just a pity that these respected companies "finance" loans to Gazprom at% and which Gazprom should return regardless of whether the pipeline is completed, it will work, and even more so make a profit. "Financiers" risk absolutely nothing, regardless of the fate of the pipeline. All risks are Gazprom
              1. -1
                29 July 2020 00: 02
                It's just a pity that these respected companies "finance" loans to Gazprom at% and which Gazprom should return regardless of whether the pipeline is completed, it will work, and even more so make a profit. "Financiers" risk absolutely nothing, regardless of the fate of the pipeline. All risks are Gazprom


                This is not true. It is not Gazprom financed, but Nord Stream 2 AG. Interestingly, Gazprom finances it on the same terms.
                https://ria.ru/20170615/1496567230.html
                1. +3
                  29 July 2020 00: 18
                  Quote: crashing
                  Financed not by Gazprom, but by Nord Stream 2 AG

                  Who is the only owner of 100% of the shares of Nord Stream 2 AG. Is it not Gazprom? Loans are to be repaid to him. They are given under the guarantees of Gazprom. So the financial risks are exclusively Gazprom. But the proceeds (not to be confused with profit) will be shared with the very creditors. This is in addition to the return of loans. Pay for lobbying these companies in the matter of promotion the project
                  1. -4
                    29 July 2020 07: 20
                    Quote: Liam
                    Quote: crashing
                    Financed not by Gazprom, but by Nord Stream 2 AG

                    Who is the only owner of 100% of the shares of Nord Stream 2 AG. Is it not Gazprom?


                    Exactly. Therefore, Gazprom will be in charge of the revenue, profit, and the gas pipeline itself. In accordance with applicable law.

                    For example, the details of the financial agreements between the project participants are not known to me. I will not fantasize. But no one will pay anyone for "lobbying" there. "Lobbying" exactly what?
                    1. +1
                      1 August 2020 10: 41
                      And also to dispose of expenses ... In general, you screwed up a little, saying that Gazprom's expenses are only half, while the return of loans is even more than just a return of half of the amount ...
              2. +6
                29 July 2020 00: 26
                All risks of Gazprom

                "They drowned" and "Gazprom" gladly delegated them to the inhabitants. You will see "bonuses" in payment for utilities very soon. Whether you like it or not, you will have to materially support the "people's non-standing".
                1. -3
                  29 July 2020 07: 40
                  Quote: lexus
                  All risks of Gazprom

                  "They drowned" and "Gazprom" gladly delegated them to the inhabitants. You will see "bonuses" in payment for utilities very soon. Whether you like it or not, you will have to materially support the "people's non-standing".


                  I am a grown boy and have been living on my own for a long time. Without mom and dad. Therefore, I pay my own payments. And I know that I don't pay anything to Gazprom. And I pay the local organization about 65 rubles for gas. Per month.

                  What robbers! Even if now it will be 100, I will somehow survive.
            2. 0
              29 July 2020 22: 16
              "So far, the facts indicate that 93% of the gas pipeline has been built."
              even if 99,99% is built, the pipeline will not work.
              "And most importantly, why the majority and minority shareholders do not run,"
              why should they run, they are well fed here too
            3. +1
              1 August 2020 01: 47
              Didn't know that cod spawns 11 months a year, very interesting
          7. +1
            29 July 2020 14: 56
            God loves Putin ... jumped off the oil needle ... and with all the foolishness landed on the gas strap ... tin ... maybe back on the needle?Wise Miller advises to deepen this topic ..
        2. +23
          28 July 2020 11: 22
          I don't like either homosexuals or Vlasov's Klimov.
          1. -10
            28 July 2020 11: 25
            Quote: Sergej1972
            I don't like either homosexuals or Vlasov's Klimov.

            I don’t like Lenin, but I studied in good faith.
            1. +14
              28 July 2020 11: 40
              Those who do not love Lenin on the territory of the USSR generally have no one and nothing good for their country and people, only that 70 years under Soviet power, that 30 years after their capture of the USSR, only stupid, irrational malice AGAINST everything Soviet.
              1. -12
                28 July 2020 11: 42
                Oh, Irina, and who loved him on the territory of the USSR, only Inessa Armand
                1. +3
                  28 July 2020 11: 48
                  Ha, that's the cowardly essence of Lenin's enemies, whenever they talk and write about THEM, they "turn the arrows" to others. Yes, Lenin's enemies on the territory of the USSR DO NOT have good power, good System, good economy, ideology, history of their country, they have no great people and real heroes, all their "great people" and "heroes" are anti-Soviet and Russophobic. And you do not have yourself, you are all cowardly "not to blame" for what you did both under Soviet power, and after you captured the USSR, and to responsibility for the seizure and dismemberment of the USSR into your "independence".
              2. -22
                28 July 2020 13: 41
                Quote: tatra
                irrational malice AGAINST everything Soviet.

                it is the Soviet government who killed from 1917-1922 about 11 million. of our descendants (grandmothers / grandfathers / fathers / mothers), 2 million of our descendants left their native land. in Russia at that time there were 4 million homeless children !!!!!! FOUR MILLION CHILDREN WITHOUT PARENTS !!!!!!
                so there is no need to idealize the USSR ...
                1. -12
                  28 July 2020 15: 14
                  it is the Soviet government who killed from 1917-1922 about 11 million. of our descendants (grandmothers / grandfathers / fathers / mothers), 2 million of our descendants left their native land. in Russia at that time there were 4 million homeless children !!!!!! FOUR MILLION CHILDREN WITHOUT PARENTS !!!!!!


                  You are still modest, according to some very reliable sources this figure of losses during the years of the civil war is 20 million people.
                  1. +5
                    28 July 2020 23: 18
                    Was the Soviet government at war with the Soviet government?
                    Or someone else killed?
                    You have a strange civil war with one participant !?
                    It seems like the "white" terror was the beginning of the chronology
                    1. 0
                      3 August 2020 11: 11
                      Quote: Revival
                      It seems like the "white" terror was the beginning of the chronology

                      chronologically, the first was the coup d'etat of the Bolsheviks - the rest is a consequence.
                      1. 0
                        3 August 2020 11: 22
                        According to chronology, at first there was, just, the February coup, without the Bolsheviks, and then in October the Revolution with the Bolsheviks
                2. +4
                  28 July 2020 16: 00
                  Well, you got excited with the descendants. Mozha, ancestors. And your descendants, children and grandchildren, take care of them.
                  1. -7
                    28 July 2020 16: 15
                    Quote: Xenofont
                    Well, you got excited with the descendants. Mozha, ancestors

                    I agree ... as if not to crack ...
              3. -3
                28 July 2020 17: 02
                Let's go without fetishes. The bronzing nature of the late USSR, apparently, did not teach anything. There is a mummy, where more reverence?
                1. -5
                  28 July 2020 17: 20
                  Quote: andrew42
                  Let's go without fetishes.

                  Duc I'm writing about it!
            2. +3
              28 July 2020 12: 16
              The conclusion suggests itself that I did not study well .. since you don’t love ..
            3. +9
              28 July 2020 17: 22
              Quote: bober1982
              I don’t like Lenin, but I studied in good faith.

              you can love Lenin or not, but he created the theory of the socialist revolution. According to his theory, the October Revolution took place and a revolutionary situation is brewing again.
              1. +2
                29 July 2020 00: 33
                My compliments, Dear Sylvester! hi
                They are from him, Lenin, like devils from incense, hiss and nag in the cracks.
        3. +45
          28 July 2020 11: 44
          It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals
          Pederasts, not pederasts, but their authorities were able to provide them with a decent standard of living, having no oil, no gas, no timber, no gold and diamonds, no natural resources at all. And the ruling oligarchy in Russia, having all this in colossal quantities, can only provide poverty at the level of African countries. How? Well, is this how they do it? Everyone knows the answer.
          And these homosexuals surrendered to you? There, they have freedom of choice. Do you want to be a homosexual - please, you want to be a lesbian - please, if you want to be bisexual - please. This is the choice of the person himself. Nobody will chase them for this, so they do not hide their orientation. But these are still a minority. The overwhelming majority of people are not interested in this. They don't find anything attractive about it. And it's hard to disagree with them smile.
          I believe that our president would be even a homosexual, even a black man, even a man of all colors of the rainbow, if he could provide our citizens with the standard of living of Danes or Belgians, freedom of speech, freedom of choice, freedom of expression and respect for human dignity. And the circus that is happening in our country is simply disgusting and ashamed to watch.
          1. -20
            28 July 2020 13: 42
            Quote: mdsr
            their authorities were able to provide them with a decent standard of living,

            prove this slogan in numbers.
            1. +1
              28 July 2020 22: 19
              Quote: NEOZ
              prove by numbers

              Google would help you, but if you yourself suddenly do not master, then if you please:
              RF / Denmark:
              Ease of doing business (place in the rating) - 28/4 (https://russian.doingbusiness.org/ru/rankings?region=europe-and-central-asia);
              GNI per capita in dollars - 11260/63240 (https://data.worldbank.org/country/RU?locale=ru);
              Life expectancy - 73/81 (https://data.worldbank.org/country/denmark?view=chart);
              Gini coefficient - 37,5 / 28,7 (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI)
              Average pension in dollars - 285/2800 (https://visasam.ru/emigration/europe-emigration/znizn-i-ceny-v-danii.html);
              Average salary in euros 500/3500.
            2. +3
              29 July 2020 00: 35
              What's the point? You are on any numbers, like ... on a new gate.
          2. -15
            28 July 2020 13: 44
            Quote: mdsr
            And the ruling oligarchy in Russia, having all this in colossal quantities, can only provide poverty at the level of African countries.

            can you give a comparative analysis of the standard of living of the Russian Federation and advanced African countries?
            otherwise it's just a slogan.
          3. -5
            28 July 2020 16: 51
            Quote: mdsr
            How? Well, is this how they do it? Everyone knows the answer.

            - of course ... They pay taxes stupidly - physicists are more than 50% of the income ...
            And there is also NOT by profitable
            "from October 1, 2011 in Denmark there is a tax on fat, or rather on the saturated fat content of food. For 1 kg of this harmful component, residents of the country and its guests pay extra 16 Danish kroner.

            In 1999 was introduced environmental tax for athletes... All members of the respective clubs, sections and circles must pay it. At the same time, adherents of sports related to movement (football, basketball, golf, baseball, etc.) financially compensate for the wear and tear of the playgrounds and the ground below them. The amount of this fee is for a person over 25 years old 150 kroons, under the specified age - 25 kroons. "
          4. -1
            28 July 2020 22: 26
            Quote: mdsr
            the president would at least ... if he could provide our citizens with the standard of living of the Danes
            Let's nevertheless, from theoretical considerations, assess the boundaries of the possible and dot the i's - and if a rainbow-skinned bilezbosexual, and even a chubby atheist in a T-shirt with an American flag printed on it, will you also agree if the condition you specified is met? lol
          5. 0
            14 October 2020 12: 50
            That's already what, but there is enough gas in the North Sea. And Denmark actively pumps it for their own consumption, along with Norway, the Netherlands and England
        4. +1
          28 July 2020 16: 58
          Klimov is of course interesting. But in this case, degeneralogy is offtopic. Is that to raise the issue of domestic degenerates. Danish is definitely not in business here.
      2. +24
        28 July 2020 10: 23
        The beaver is simply interested in the topic of same-sex marriage, why did you attack him. Interest in this topic is not entirely clear.
        1. -20
          28 July 2020 10: 39
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          Interest in this topic is not entirely clear.

          Well, why not? A very curious topic, even from biblical times.
          As soon as it is touched in a negative tone, the howl immediately begins, why would it be.
          And why did you upload a photo of this Satanist? Found an idol for yourself?
          It is believed that Freud's blasphemous tongue rotted in the mouth of its owner (cancer of the larynx), was dying - stinking very strongly, a living stinking corpse. As he lived, he died, father Freud.
          1. +8
            28 July 2020 12: 25
            As Professor Preobrazhensky said, devastation is in our heads. I am not interested in this topic, especially in a publication about Gazprom.
            1. -12
              28 July 2020 12: 31
              Quote: Bashkirkhan
              I am not interested in this topic, especially in a publication about Gazprom.

              McCain: Russia is a gas station that pretends to be a country.
              And, how does the author of the article differ from the former downed pilot? And how do you have to hate your (?) Country to call it so contemptuously.
              1. +16
                28 July 2020 13: 48
                Quote: bober1982
                McCain: Russia is a gas station that pretends to be a country.
                And, how does the author of the article differ from the former downed pilot? And how do you have to hate your (?) Country to call it so contemptuously.

                And what's not true ?! The Russian Federation is a new feudal kleptocratic country that sells its resources and plunders its people in favor of bureaucratic oligarchic clans.
                Babeur, disprove it!
                1. -10
                  28 July 2020 14: 16
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  The Russian Federation is a new feudal kleptocratic country that sells its resources and plunders its people in favor of bureaucratic oligarchic clans.

                  Old McCain, turned in his coffin, with envy.
              2. -6
                28 July 2020 15: 45
                And, how does the author of the article differ from the former downed pilot? And how do you have to hate your (?) Country to call it so contemptuously.


                Actually, the article is, as always, one-sided, the author cites the costs of building gas pipelines, but not a word from the fact that tens of thousands of people are involved in the construction, who receive salaries to feed their families, thousands of those processes are organized, a huge infrastructure has been built, with a temporary lack of demand, the guard is already shouting and Praises American LNG. I have been observing the work of Skomorokhov for a long time and even received warnings for harsh statements about him (you know censorship) you will not refuse him this, but still I hope that someday there will be objective articles, but for now, alas.
                1. +3
                  28 July 2020 20: 30
                  That's right, let the whole country, from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka, dig one trench, and first dig and then bury
                  And what, everything in your opinion, everything is in business, salaries, infrastructure.
                  And at the exit?
                2. 0
                  29 July 2020 22: 24
                  "with a temporary lack of demand, the guard is already screaming"
                  gas pipelines are built under a contract, where does demand or lack thereof?
                3. 0
                  2 August 2020 13: 35
                  that's interesting tens of thousands .. who is this? who designed it? supplied equipment for pipe welding? automation? it seems to me that out of these tens of thousands, our compatriots are not so many
              3. +10
                28 July 2020 17: 25
                Quote: bober1982
                McCain: Russia is a gas station that pretends to be a country.

                isn't McCain right? Remember how the authorities fussed after the fall in oil prices? On VO, such battles were like each of us had a well in the yard
          2. +5
            28 July 2020 13: 01
            what a tinted obscurantist ... and there will be more and more ... "O tempora! O mores!"
            1. -15
              28 July 2020 13: 08
              Quote: TAMBU
              what a tinted obscurantist ... and there will be more and more ... "O tempora! O mores!"

              Somehow you did it out of place, how can obscurantism be associated with the decline of morals?
              1. +6
                28 July 2020 13: 13
                really ... the hypocrisy of religious communities and morality ... how can this be connected?
      3. +1
        28 July 2020 10: 24
        Quote: Svarog
        I don’t understand why (censored) has a (censored) question in the first place? Is this the main thing for you?

        Psychologists explain: "Latent ... pulls at a subconscious level." bully
      4. +18
        28 July 2020 10: 29
        Quote: Svarog
        I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins?

        Who shouts loudest - stop the thief? Vooot. This is it.
        1. -10
          28 July 2020 12: 10
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Quote: Svarog
          I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins?

          Who shouts loudest - stop the thief? Vooot. This is it.

          That is, those who most criticize the current government and praise the Soviet government are the destroyers of the Soviet Union? Bravo! good
        2. -10
          28 July 2020 13: 45
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Who shouts loudest - stop the thief? Vooot. This is it.

          is this acceptable behavior in your society?
      5. +17
        28 July 2020 10: 34
        Quote: Svarog
        I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins?

        I will try to explain as far as I understand it. The Zaputins are incorrigible optimists. They never hang their noses. They walk down the street with their heads held high. The enlightened gaze is directed upward. And there is a rainbow in the sky ...
        If not gas, then we will sell gold. Not gold, so wood. Not a forest, so the amendments on serfdom can be adopted.
        1. +15
          28 July 2020 10: 44
          And there - rainbow in the sky...

          You ... with this ... take a closer look ... some members of the forum do not perceive the rainbow as a rainbow ... lol
          1. +6
            29 July 2020 00: 51
            It is gratifying, Boyan, and you finally took off your rose-colored glasses. Remember that "π" come and go, but the Russian people remain and will never leave their brothers in trouble. Take care of Alyosha! hi
            1. 0
              29 July 2020 05: 08
              He did not take off a damn thing, but he continues to see the Russian Federation as a fascist country.
            2. 0
              29 July 2020 09: 01
              It is gratifying, Boyan, and you finally took off your rose-colored glasses.

              Alexey, I didn’t put them. Extremes in views are not mine.
              Remember that "π" come and go, but the Russian people remain and will never leave their brothers in trouble.

              The Russian people themselves are in trouble! The parasites drink his blood! It's time to rise and get rid of!
              Take care of Alyosha!

              I wrote somewhere on the forums about the improvement of the park around. Backlit fountains, mini-train to the top, benches, attractions, it turned out very beautifully! There is also a Roman aqueduct and a memorial of the Russian wars / 1877-78 /.
        2. -13
          28 July 2020 13: 47
          Quote: serpent
          The Zaputins are incorrigible optimists. They never hang their noses.

          this is great!
          ps
          it's better to be a Putin than to constantly whine like they whine in a neighboring country ...
          1. +7
            28 July 2020 15: 49
            When the groundless euphoria is over, a severe hangover will come ...
            1. -12
              28 July 2020 16: 20
              Quote: serpent
              When the groundless euphoria is over

              why groundless?
              Russians live the best in the CIS, and at the level of Eastern European countries. we build planes / ships. we get medals at the Olympiads, we returned the Crimea. I think that this is very good, given that this country collapsed 30 years ago, and now it is 50% of the former country ... very good ... but it will be even better !!! GDP will not let us down !!!!!!
              1. +1
                28 July 2020 21: 41
                Quote: NEOZ
                Russians live the best in the CIS

                This is, of course, a "level"! Solid, you will not say anything ... Still Russia with its territory, reserves of gas, oil, metals, etc. etc. lived worse than Kyrgyzstan, for example. Fine, George ...
                Quote: NEOZ
                we build planes / ships.

                We are building something ... But in what quantity and quality? NB: As for quality, I mean the civil aircraft industry.
                Quote: NEOZ
                we get medals at the olympiads

                Under white flags. And then some more medals are taken back.
                Quote: NEOZ
                returned Crimea

                Well ... Crimea is certainly good. And it would be even better to make a high-quality and affordable vacation in Crimea.
                Quote: NEOZ
                very good ... but it will be even better !!! GDP will not let us down !!!!!!

                Uryayayayayayayayaya !!!!!
          2. +10
            28 July 2020 17: 30
            Quote: NEOZ
            it's better to be a Putin than to constantly whine like they whine in a neighboring country ...

            you go from behind, you will overtake. Let's look at autumn, when the ruble will fly into space along with the income of the population. There is nothing to nod to Ukraine - we will catch up with such an "effective" leadership.
            It is planned to make clarifications to the Budget Code that not only property, but also money can be confiscated in favor of the FIU, if it was not possible to prove the legality of their receipt. And what evidence can there be with "Basmanny justice"? As your idol used to say: "you torture yourself to swallow dust"
            1. +5
              29 July 2020 01: 08
              "you will be tortured to swallow dust"

              Zhora NEOZ will not be tortured. The "dust" they consume is "magic"! fellow
      6. +14
        28 July 2020 10: 35
        Quote: Svarog
        Why the question of pederasts is in the first place among the Zaputintsy?

        So the main intruder Volodin, the most famous of these - maybe that's why, in the subconscious mind, this question pops up among the locals
        1. +1
          29 July 2020 01: 15
          So the main confused person Volodin

          Herrman Href, Proherov, Minelonov and many others. A very long list.
      7. +4
        28 July 2020 10: 39
        Quote: Svarog
        I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins? wassat This is the main thing for you

        Well, what's strange? With such rotten braces as theirs, everything needs to be feared, especially buggers lol .
        1. +4
          28 July 2020 13: 42
          Quote: mdsr
          Well, what's strange? With such rotten braces as theirs, everything needs to be feared, especially buggers

          Theirs have nothing to fear, they are relatives.
          1. +2
            29 July 2020 01: 21
            Ø has long hinted, they say, it's time for "turnstiles" to be scrapped.

        2. -11
          28 July 2020 13: 48
          Quote: mdsr
          Well, what's strange? With such rotten staples as theirs,

          what are yours? Ukrainian?
          1. +14
            28 July 2020 15: 14
            Quote: NEOZ
            Quote: mdsr
            Well, what's strange? With such rotten staples as theirs,

            what are yours? Ukrainian?

            Volga-Bulgarian wink have you heard of such? smile
            1. -5
              28 July 2020 17: 21
              Quote: mdsr
              Volga-Bulgarian

              why drown for Ukrainian?
          2. -7
            28 July 2020 21: 50
            They have their own, Banderlozh braces, mixed with clean manure and poorly molded.
      8. +6
        28 July 2020 10: 47
        They just realize that the punishment may not be heavenly! laughing And much more "earthly"!
      9. +9
        28 July 2020 10: 56
        Quote: Svarog
        I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins? wassat Is this the main thing for you?

        To whom, what hurts, he speaks about that.
      10. 0
        28 July 2020 11: 09
        "Whoever hurts, he talks about that" (folk wisdom)
      11. 0
        28 July 2020 12: 28
        Well, after all, they are similar to you - both in their gut and in their mind ... And by their devotion to the hand of the giver ...
      12. -14
        28 July 2020 13: 06
        Quote: Svarog
        I don’t understand why the Zaputins

        and who are you?
        1. +12
          28 July 2020 14: 21
          Quote: NEOZ
          Quote: Svarog
          I don’t understand why the Zaputins

          and who are you?

          The same question is for you. Are you drowning the good-looking Wrotenbergs here? We did not have time to go to the branch, we had already written to everyone. Calluses on your fingers will not appear?
          1. -12
            28 July 2020 15: 23
            Quote: mdsr
            The same question is for you. Are you drowning the good-looking Wrotenbergs here?

            I am drowning for citizens who work in the interests of the Motherland, including the persons you mentioned.
            1. +4
              28 July 2020 17: 32
              Quote: NEOZ
              I drown for citizens who work in the interests of the Motherland

              for example ..... The beginning is pretentious!
              1. +3
                29 July 2020 01: 38
                Remember the movie "Cops in Deep Stock"? There one of the main characters created the program "ass face". Zhora NEOZ "polished" the technology to perfection. True, the option to recognize "idols" by face has disappeared. lol
        2. -5
          28 July 2020 21: 53
          They are not for anyone, they are always against. A clean clinic and nothing will help here.
      13. +4
        28 July 2020 13: 10
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: bober1982
        It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.

        I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins? wassat Is this the main thing for you?

        Yes, if you dig, then we have no less homosexuals, based on the population size. It's just that they are still afraid to advertise
      14. -9
        28 July 2020 14: 38
        Quote: Svarog
        Why the question of pederasts is in the first place among the Zaputintsy?

        I see it bothers you a lot? Or zadorkovtsam zu came to protect homosexuals and Nazis?
        1. +4
          29 July 2020 01: 46
          Are you sir (d) worried about yourself?
      15. +3
        28 July 2020 20: 53
        hi Do you think for what kind of "marinade" they are all torn into "geyropes", that they dragged the covidloo from there? And "zapOD" is cursed according to the principle "beats - it means he loves!" The wrong stream was called "blue". lol
      16. -6
        28 July 2020 21: 57
        After the change of the owners of the site to the citizens of the promised country, Skomorokhov began, let's say, to justify his surname .. Is it possible that a small shekel is ready to pour water on the enemy's mill (and some of them are enemies and don't need fairy tales)? It's all sad .. "The house is gone" (S.)
        rs: Ban what is there .. It makes no sense to be here ..
        1. +3
          29 July 2020 01: 56
          "Throw" it under yourself - and the fan is more intact, and there will be fewer "kennopushki".
      17. -3
        28 July 2020 22: 56
        It is not clear why some people see some Zaputins. It's time to be treated
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      19. 0
        29 July 2020 07: 53
        understandably, Putin is associated with traditional values, and buggers are the destruction of the family. as well as for Trump, those who voted more for traditional values.
        but why are liberals so tolerant of this? because the State Department teaches that way, or is it just a little of that? wassat
      20. -1
        29 July 2020 08: 09
        He's just worried about himself. How is it possible with them, but with us his rights have been infringed.
      21. +1
        29 July 2020 17: 57
        All these epoch-making construction projects, just like in Soviet times, cause a feeling of bewilderment.

        Roman, give at least one example from the epoch-making construction projects of the USSR, which we do not use now. Do not take into account the sold and ruined factories, cosmodromes.
        They all bring profit to "our" capitalists, and a big one! Or other capitalists, but also big. Without many construction projects and accomplishments of the Soviet period, the current Russia would simply be impossible. She wouldn't be there anymore.
    2. +31
      28 July 2020 10: 26
      On European hubs in June, gas was quoted at $ 45 per thousand cubic meters at TTF (Netherlands) and $ 63 per thousand at Baumgarten (Austria). With the declared price of zero profitability of $ 100 per thousand cubic meters for Gazprom, taking into account the cost of production, mineral extraction tax, transportation and customs duties.

      Watch your hands:
      1. We drop the ruble by 20-30% and even $ 45 turns into a huge profit for Gazprom.
      2. The poor people will not rebel, it is verified, it will be busy with survival.
      1. +26
        28 July 2020 10: 32
        Quote: Civil
        2. The poor people will not rebel, it is verified, it will be busy with survival.

        Ugums. But the story tells how the same poor people in 1905 annealed, having fun with a fire show in not quite poor manors.
        1. +7
          28 July 2020 13: 40
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Ugums. But the story tells how the same poor people in 1905 annealed, having fun with a fire show in not quite poor manors.

          Well, I'll have to repeat it, otherwise they don't understand.
          1. -7
            29 July 2020 00: 58
            What are you going to repeat there-pitiful scraps of communists.
            1. -1
              31 July 2020 19: 38
              Pitiful lumps are what you and other liberals have instead of brains and conscience.
      2. +5
        28 July 2020 11: 21
        1. We drop the ruble by 20-30% and even $ 45 turns into a huge profit for Gazprom.
        Why do the nonesh bourgeoisie need so many rubles? You can't get them out of the cordon, unlike bucks. Inside the country, they have already crushed everything for themselves ..
        1. +20
          28 July 2020 12: 14
          Paul3390, there are numerous schemes for withdrawing rubles in the form of currency abroad. Here you, having come to the bank, can easily buy currency for rubles. Large companies do the same. Moreover, if you buy currency in a small amount, then you are charged a substantial commission. If the volume of the purchase is large, which is typical for companies, then the commission is small (cheaper in bulk). The company opens a foreign currency account (or it already had one) and deposits the purchased currency on it. And then he provides an agreement with a foreign company, allegedly for the purchase by that company abroad of what is vital for your Russian company. And the bank, without question, transfers your currency abroad to the account of a foreign company, which - oh, miracle! oh surprise! - it turns out to be yours, because it is registered for a wife, brother, sister, matchmaker - further down the list, choose whoever you want. And since rubles, converted into currency, are most often acquired by direct theft of state funds, or by bribes, kickbacks - whatever they have in their arsenal, then this money will never be returned to Russia. For fear that law enforcement officers will get to the bottom ... I almost wrote "and will demand their share." In general, for fear of losing the stolen goods. I can imagine how much public funds were stolen and withdrawn abroad during the construction of gas pipelines - JV, JV-2, TP, SS. In any case, in the first two months of this year, $ 20 billion has already been withdrawn ...
          Thus, the rich need rubles. They need them to buy currency in order to withdraw it to their places of residence abroad.
          1. +4
            28 July 2020 12: 48
            Thus, the rich need rubles. They need them to buy currency in order to withdraw it to their places of residence abroad.
            Duc - and where to get the currency, if the foreign exchange earnings in the country falls catastrophically?
            1. +9
              28 July 2020 12: 58
              The Central Bank regularly sells gold abroad, of course, for foreign currency. Recently there was a message about such a sale. He also trades in foreign securities, which he has in abundance. Now there are difficulties with the sale of American ones, they are no longer very quoted, but nothing will turn out - native oligarchs need help.
        2. +4
          28 July 2020 13: 13
          Quote: paul3390
          1. We drop the ruble by 20-30% and even $ 45 turns into a huge profit for Gazprom.
          Why do the nonesh bourgeoisie need so many rubles? You can't get them out of the cordon, unlike bucks. Inside the country, they have already crushed everything for themselves ..

          Gazprom makes a profit in dollars, the tax is converted into rubles, the rest goes to shareholders. If shareholders are paid in rubles, they go to the exchange and exchange for dollars.
        3. -1
          29 July 2020 05: 37
          You can even deduce it, just for the rubbish, which the ruble threatens to turn into, it will be possible to buy currency only for a box of cigarettes for a million cubic meters of gas.
      3. -16
        28 July 2020 13: 08
        Quote: Civil
        We lower the ruble by 20-30%

        why not 200-300%?
        Quote: Civil
        The poor people will not rebel

        the fact is that Russians are not even beggars ...
        1. +12
          28 July 2020 14: 06
          Quote: NEOZ
          the fact is that Russians are not even beggars ...

          Have you been outside the Moscow Ring Road for a long time? Take a trip, about a hundred kilometers from large cities, it is better - farther, stop by small cities, chat with people, ask how much they get. Please note: I don't even advise you villages.
          1. -15
            28 July 2020 15: 03
            Quote: CT-55_11-9009
            Have you been outside the Moscow Ring Road for a long time?

            occasionally
            Quote: CT-55_11-9009
            better - farther away, go to small towns, chat with people, ask how much they get.

            what for? - there are different settlements, life there is not sugar, there are such settlements everywhere, in all countries.
            Quote: CT-55_11-9009
            Please note: I don't even advise you villages.

            and I strongly recommend that you study the statistics of the well-being of citizens of the Russian Federation in comparison with the countries of Europe / America / Asia / Africa.
            ps
            and in general, on what basis should you live better? Think about it....
            1. +5
              29 July 2020 02: 04
              and in general, on what basis should you live better?

              That is, you should live better exclusively? Will it crack anywhere? I do not urge you to think - in your case it is completely hopeless and useless.
              1. 0
                3 August 2020 11: 06
                Quote: lexus
                That is, you should live better exclusively?

                you thought of it - which shows your level of intelligence.
                I am the same people as everyone else, neither better nor worse.
                Quote: lexus
                I do not urge you to think - in your case it is completely hopeless and useless.

                to make a diagnosis is such a thing ...
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      1. +14
        28 July 2020 11: 07
        Quote: Tatiana
        I absolutely agree with the author! Itself has often paid attention to this.

        Novel! hi Thank you for the article.
        And the people are paying for all this disgrace. Which once again raise prices

        fellow
        I will not wang, but we will be "robbed" more than once under the current government! hi
        1. -17
          28 July 2020 13: 10
          Quote: kapitan92
          I will not wang, but we will be "robbed" more than once under the current government!

          who are you? how?
          the level of well-being of Russians has grown many times over from 2000-2020.
          you are so robbed sho you get rich? or are you from Ukraine?
          1. +8
            28 July 2020 13: 37
            Quote: NEOZ
            who are you? how?
            the level of well-being of Russians has grown many times over from 2000-2020.

            Well, now let's spread the facts or are you a Zaputin balabol propagandist?
            1. -12
              28 July 2020 13: 56
              Quote: Stroporez
              Now come on lay out the facts

              I'm ready to lay out the facts, it's simple.
              after answering my two asked questions, namely:
              who are you?
              how?
              ps
              I am ready to answer for my words, and you?
              1. +7
                28 July 2020 13: 59
                Quote: NEOZ
                I'm ready to lay out the facts, it's simple.
                after answering my two asked questions, namely:
                who are you?
                how?
                ps
                I am ready to answer for my words, and you?

                Everything is clear, you troll, into the furnace!
                1. -11
                  28 July 2020 15: 06
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Everything is clear, you troll, into the furnace!

                  here you are definitely Ukrainian!
                  "What about us?" - Yes?
                  those. you can ask me for words, but you CANNOT answer for your own !!!!
                  moreover, I am ready to substantiate every word I say!
                  are you ready?
                  1. +3
                    28 July 2020 17: 14
                    Change the methodology. Stroporez - Khabarovsk, if I'm not mistaken. Do you have comrade Lavrenty on your avatar? - May he visit you in the coming dream :)
                  2. +10
                    28 July 2020 17: 34
                    Quote: NEOZ
                    here you are definitely Ukrainian!

                    when the arguments end, remember the nationality. There are no bad nations, there are just shit among the people
                    1. +3
                      29 July 2020 02: 11
                      Zhora is with them, albeit just a "organ". "There" the record is stuck.
          2. +11
            28 July 2020 13: 48
            Quote: NEOZ
            welfare Russians has grown many times over from 2000-2020.

            Here you are as right as ever. The Russians, the Vrotenberg brothers, Timchenko, Prigozhin, Usmanov, Vekselberg and another 100 dollar billionaires from the Forbes list, are very grateful fellow zeroed and his bucket for multiply increased income.
            But I personally, as I received about $ 500 at the beginning of the XNUMXs, and I receive it now. The same can be said about the vast majority of citizens
            1. -16
              28 July 2020 13: 53
              Quote: mdsr
              The Russians are the brothers Vrotenberg, Timchenko, Prigozhin, Usmanov, Vekselberg and another 100 dollar billionaires

              envy is a sin ...
              Quote: mdsr
              And here I am, personally, how I received about $ 500

              then you are a loser personally! - in terms of making money.
              you look at the whole of the Russian Federation.
              1. +8
                28 July 2020 17: 12
                Somehow representatives of the middle class come up to me and say:
                - as you finish, do not throw away the bottles.
                1. -9
                  28 July 2020 17: 17
                  Quote: kitty
                  Representatives of the middle class come up to me somehow

                  well, like that in Ukraine ...
                  ps
                  a homeless person in his environment sees only homeless people, the rich man of the rich ... I suggest you look more broadly.
              2. +2
                28 July 2020 17: 36
                Quote: NEOZ
                you look at the whole of the Russian Federation.

                In general, for the first quarter of 2020, the average salary in Russia, according to statistics published by Rosstat, was 48,3 thousand rubles.
                According to Rosstat, more than 20 million of our compatriots have been “thrown” below the poverty line. This is over 15% of the population of Russia. According to the survey, a family is considered poor if each member has less than 15000 rubles a month.
                1. -1
                  3 August 2020 11: 24
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  This is over 15% of the population of Russia.

                  this is a normal figure for capitalist countries ...
                  in Ukraine this figure is 33% ...
    4. +5
      28 July 2020 11: 23
      Quote: bober1982
      It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.

      Why are the damned homosexuals living much better than God's chosen people, who shove their penis where they should?
      1. 0
        28 July 2020 11: 34
        Quote: Aleksandre
        Why damned buggers live much better than God's chosen people

        Whom do you mean by God's chosen people? After all, these are Jews.
        There is no other such people, and there never was.
        Do you understand this? What are you talking about, about God's chosen people.
        1. +6
          28 July 2020 13: 11
          Quote: bober1982
          Whom do you mean by God's chosen people? After all, these are Jews.

          No, these are the ones who will go to heaven. The rest will just die wassat
          1. -5
            28 July 2020 13: 21
            Quote: Aleksandre
            No, these are the ones who will go to heaven. The rest will just die

            You are an interesting conversationalist, I say sincerely.
            But, I will take the liberty of saying that you are mistaken.
            They will die, as you put it, I’ll agree here exactly who will go to heaven, nobody knows and cannot know. Death is the beginning of a new future real life, what this new life will be like, nobody knows.
            Very briefly.
            1. +2
              28 July 2020 13: 35
              Quote: bober1982
              You are an interesting conversationalist, I say sincerely.
              But, I will take the liberty of saying that you are mistaken.

              But you do understand that in this case I am not mistaken (it happens, it happens, to be honest), but just joking? wassat It's just that the talk on the topic that "we are, uhhh, what are we, purely Dratanyans, but behind the hill there are monkeys, perverts and generally low-moral personalities," have just been disgusted.
              1. -4
                28 July 2020 14: 29
                Quote: Aleksandre
                and generally low moral personalities. "

                Well, who else are they? Much worse than the low moral personality you mentioned.
                1. 0
                  28 July 2020 14: 39
                  Quote: bober1982
                  Well, who else are they? Much worse than the low moral personality you mentioned.

                  In what, let me be curious, are they so low and worthless compared to the Great Russians, for example?
                  1. -1
                    28 July 2020 14: 57
                    Quote: Aleksandre
                    they are so low and worthless compared to the great Russians

                    This is good, now we have learned who is called the chosen people of God and have passed (reached) the Great Russian chauvinism.
                    Have you read Lenin? this one put everything on the shelves and chewed it up, it was well known.
      2. +10
        28 July 2020 12: 40
        Why do the damned (censored) live much better than God's chosen people, who shove their genitals where they need to?

        Because, to live well depends on the head, and not on the pipisk ... lol
        1. +2
          28 July 2020 13: 10
          Quote: pytar
          Because, to live well depends on the head, and not on the pipisk ... lol

          What are we talking about ...
      3. -12
        28 July 2020 13: 13
        Quote: Aleksandre
        Why damned buggers live much better than God's chosen people

        what exactly is better? give examples / figures.
        and we will discuss specific numbers and examples.
        without specifics, it's just a slogan!
        1. +5
          28 July 2020 13: 32
          Quote: NEOZ
          what exactly is better? give examples / figures.
          and we will discuss specific numbers and examples.
          without specifics, it's just a slogan!

          Even Poles live 2 times better than Russians, and give you all examples. Eat it yourself and see it, and if you can't google it, maybe your brightening will come
          1. -10
            28 July 2020 14: 00
            Quote: Stroporez
            Even Poles live 2 times better than Russians,

            the slogan is not based on anything.
            Quote: Stroporez
            and give you all the examples.

            sure! It's one thing to shout slogans, and another to give facts / arguments / arguments in favor of your opinion.
            Quote: Stroporez
            Eat it yourself and see it, and if you can't google it, maybe your brightening will come

            traveled, googled ... not impressive ...
          2. -13
            28 July 2020 14: 02
            Quote: Stroporez
            Eat yourself and see

            do you go for strawberries in poland?
            I knew it ... from 404 ...
            1. +10
              28 July 2020 14: 16
              Quote: NEOZ
              do you go for strawberries in poland?
              I knew it ... from 404 ...

              fool laughing I drove all over Geyropa by car and was in Poland incl. and I responsibly declare that no one lives worse than the Russian Federation (Maskvastan and Peter are beyond the scope of comparisons)
              PySy. And more, kremlebotic, I won't tell you anything laughing
              1. -10
                28 July 2020 15: 09
                Quote: Stroporez
                I drove all over Geyropa by car and was in Poland, incl.

                ))))))))))))))))) Holy Visa-Free rules !!!!!!!!!!
                Quote: Stroporez
                maskwastan

                typical expression of a Ukrainian ...
                1. +4
                  29 July 2020 02: 24
                  I look at your fool and I remember a wonderful movie. Bravo!

                  Fragment from the movie "Ivan Vasilievich Changes His Profession" (1973)
          3. +2
            28 July 2020 17: 19
            It's not even about the current comparison of consumption levels. experienced and not so. The point is the hopelessness of the hospice prepared for our people, against the background of a noisy feast of "patriotic" oligarchs and social parasites inside the Moscow Ring Road, catching crumbs from their tables.
        2. 0
          28 July 2020 17: 23
          20 million are officially recognized as beggars.
          14 tyrov per month is now classified as middle class ....
          your argument would be more weighty if you substantiated it ...
      4. -3
        28 July 2020 17: 18
        Quote: Aleksandre
        live much better than God's chosen people

        see my comments, there is an answer to this question
    5. +7
      28 July 2020 12: 15
      It's not clear why

      Beaver, breathe out .. in the article it is written in Russian - why ..
      1. +5
        28 July 2020 13: 34
        Quote: Roman123567
        Beaver, breathe out .. in the article it is written in Russian - why ..

        And his breath stopped, he still wanted to push the slogan for the scare, but the power was not enough laughing
    6. DPN
      +1
      28 July 2020 13: 13
      but what bites hurts and you can't beat it, the little one makes the BEAR to respect YOURSELF.
    7. +6
      28 July 2020 13: 26
      Quote: bober1982
      then the country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.

      When Miller's teams arrived at Muskwa, they were called the Blue Wave.
      The Duma and the government also have a lobby of rear-wheel drive doves.
      1. -6
        28 July 2020 14: 48
        Quote: Stroporez
        arrived at maskwa

        Moscow, dear Stroporez, learn the words to the song ....... How does the Motherland begin
        1. +2
          28 July 2020 17: 20
          Moscow is no longer the same. It was the heart of the Motherland, it became the gastrointestinal tract.
    8. -8
      28 July 2020 13: 40
      The author seems to have been working for "grants" for a long time, so he gives out what the grant-givers demanded, does not pull for reality ...
    9. -7
      28 July 2020 14: 41
      Shhhh! He can.
    10. +3
      28 July 2020 16: 33
      and you have no more thoughts and problems ????? except for buggers in Denmark ????
    11. +5
      28 July 2020 18: 36
      How could it be that yesterday, the whole kremlebotnaya mass literally streamed myrrh about gas in Europe, promised to freeze everyone and bend over, and then suddenly oops and crap again .......... good




    12. 0
      29 July 2020 10: 03
      It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.

      Are you offended for your colleagues?
    13. 0
      24 August 2020 00: 24
      Is there anything left in your head except pederasts or have they seized everything around?
    14. 0
      11 October 2020 14: 42
      I can assume that the author is partial to the above category.
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    1. +21
      28 July 2020 10: 17
      Quote: KCA
      Well, show off your political career

      Unfortunately, adequate ones are not allowed there wassat They put them in jail, start criminal cases, make life unbearable ... all you have to do is gain popularity among the people and hint about participating in the presidential elections.
      1. -15
        28 July 2020 13: 16
        Quote: Svarog
        Unfortunately, adequate ones are not allowed there

        maybe they are not quite adequate?
        Quote: Svarog
        They put them in jail, start criminal cases, make life unbearable ..

        how do you want? maybe somewhere else? - give examples where it is wrong!
        ps
        do you have a wrong perception of the world, are you Ukrainian?
    2. +11
      28 July 2020 10: 47
      Quote: KCA
      and comrade Sechin d fuck, all his advisers are the same, Putin, the same, de-beat?

      Of course not, we all know they are geniuses fellow There, at the Ozerkovskys, everyone is so gifted. Maybe the climate there is special or some kind of radiation? No, of course, it's just that they all perfectly know Jewish science. Kabbalah.
      1. -11
        28 July 2020 13: 18
        Quote: mdsr
        No, of course, it's just that they all perfectly know the Jewish science of Kabbalah.

        divide people into races?
    3. +3
      28 July 2020 11: 14
      Why de Bill at once? Secondly, he is a good translator from Portuguese. And firstly, his goal is to enrich his personal and his own code.
    4. +15
      28 July 2020 12: 24
      Putin, then, de-beat? Why aren't you the president, but he?

      Is the president an indicator of mental development ??
      Debil can not be president or what ?? So Gorbachev could sell his homeland ?? Yeltsin could be a moron ?? And Putin suddenly became a saint ?? And who are usually hired as advisers? Friends !! Or Putin brought Bear with him for great mental merits ??
    5. -4
      28 July 2020 12: 28
      Quote: KCA
      Well, you know better, but comrade Sechin is fucking, all his advisers are the same, Putin, then, de-beat? Why aren't you the president, but he? Well, show off your political career

      I like it, I don't like it ... Why do you stoop to insults? If you are such a hero, then write it on the wall and stand by your side.
      I also think that VVP has done its job and deserves a rest. But why insult so much?
      1. +5
        28 July 2020 13: 55
        Quote: BecmepH
        I like it, I don't like it ... Why do you stoop to insults?

        good Bravo! At the present time, only sarcasm saves drinks
    6. +6
      28 July 2020 14: 11
      Quote: KCA
      Well, you know better, but comrade Sechin is fucking, all his advisers are the same, Putin, then, de-beat?

      What surprises you so much?
      Cunning, hypocrisy, cunning, duplicity has nothing to do with the coefficient of mental and intellectual abilities.
      Even bears are taught not to ride a bicycle.
  3. -17
    28 July 2020 10: 17
    Another opinion of a written "expert" from the clip. ("It, of course, is so. It, of course, is familiar to the matter, but now, if something happened where, then here it is for you - please !!!")
    And what confirms the expert level?
    1. +15
      28 July 2020 11: 02
      Do you need a Harvard diploma to get into your "expert pool"? Or will HSE do it?
      An article in the "Opinions" section, not "Analytics".
      And the article is probably the best on this issue.
      1. -15
        28 July 2020 11: 05
        Quote: Mole
        An article in the "Opinions" section, not "Analytics".

        An expert opinion is an opinion. In the absence of expert knowledge, "opinion" is propaganda. And propaganda is ideology, and ideology is a false consciousness.
        1. +6
          28 July 2020 11: 15
          But in fact, dear, have something to say? Without demagoguery?
          1. +9
            28 July 2020 12: 23
            Quote: Harry Cuper
            But in fact, dear, have something to say?

            They basically can't, weaklings. They immediately begin to discuss the opponent, but not the essence. So you don’t need to strain Mosk, put a stamp, and well done. A stereotyped commentary by a trolley worker.
          2. +1
            28 July 2020 13: 30
            Quote: Harry Cuper
            But in fact, dear, have something to say?

            At least about cod may not be worth it - As explained in the press service of the operator, the restriction associated with fish spawning (from July to August) refers to construction work in the Bornholm Basin area. “Both lines of the pipeline have already been laid in the restricted fishing area of ​​the Bornholm Basin. There are no seasonal restrictions on further construction in Denmark, ”said Nord Stream 2 AG. https://www.rbc.ru/society/27/07/2020/5f1eb0c19a79472c5cad24ab?from=newsfeed
            SP-2 - financing of Gazprom 50%
          3. -3
            28 July 2020 17: 19
            If I begin to speak "in essence" without understanding the problem of "trumpets and sunsets", I will join the demagogues. But I suspect that there are experts in the world in the field of gas export.
        2. +15
          28 July 2020 11: 24
          Quote: iouris
          Quote: Mole
          An article in the "Opinions" section, not "Analytics".

          An expert opinion is an opinion. In the absence of expert knowledge, "opinion" is propaganda. And propaganda is ideology, and ideology is a false consciousness.

          Publish your article, in which you will prove the falsity of this from an "expert" position. Thus, enlighten the consciousness of the layman.
          1. -2
            28 July 2020 18: 19
            Quote: Mole
            Publish your article in which you will prove the falsity of this from an "expert" position.

            The author did not prove that "pipes are unnecessary"
            The author did not provide evidence that the Russian Federation is a "gas station" country.
            The author did not formulate what should be understood by "The decline of the country".
            The author does not refer to publications of other authors, whose scientific and expert qualifications have been confirmed.
            Based on the analysis of the title, structure, style and content of the publication, I have expressed the opinion that the author is not an expert in the field of natural gas production and export and politics.
            I do not participate in international article writing competitions, I only sometimes critically evaluate some publications (in style and in substance).
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        3. 0
          28 July 2020 11: 54
          Quote: iouris
          An expert opinion is an opinion. In the absence of expert knowledge, "opinion" is propaganda.

          Exactly so: the statistics for the first quarter confirmed the assumptions about the fall in demand for gas in the world, but also indicates that Russian gas SAVES share on the European market.

          By the Power of Siberia: Russian pipeline gas 2020 to China ended up withthe most profitable for Gazprom - was sold at the highest price in the foreign market. Which does not fit in any way with the "kopecks" allegedly paid by China.

          Deputy Chairman of Gazprom Elena Burmistrova: "due to a number of factors, including a shorter transport leg, Russian gas supplies will more attractive compared to the delivery of gas from Central Asia.

          Miller:
          “Today, Gazprom supplies gas to China via the Power of Siberia gas pipeline. And in just how many years we will increase its volume up to 38 billion cubic meters m... The growth of supplies via the Power of Siberia will outpace the dynamics of both imports of liquefied natural gas and supplies of Central Asian gas to China There are proposals on the negotiation table with Chinese partners to increase gas supplies via the Power of Siberia gas pipeline by 6 billion cubic meters - up to 44 billion cubic meters gas per year, organization of gas supplies from the Far East and the "western" route... “All together, this makes it possible to talk about the export of pipeline gas to China in the foreseeable future. in the amount of over 130 billion cubic meters. m, which is comparable to our current supply to traditional markets "
          https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/07/06/gaz-iz-sily-sibiri-okazalsya-samym-vygodnym-i-dlya-kitaya-i-dlya-gazproma
          1. +2
            28 July 2020 22: 12
            Quote: Olgovich
            By the Power of Siberia: Russian pipeline gas in 2020 to China turned out to be the most profitable for Gazprom - it was sold at the highest price on the external market.

            Announce the price and quantity
        4. +3
          28 July 2020 12: 27
          In the absence of expert knowledge, "opinion" is propaganda.

          Well, don't advocate here for those who saw money on these pipes ..
        5. -8
          28 July 2020 13: 06
          primary nonsense based on the substitution of concepts and even categories ...
    2. +1
      28 July 2020 13: 17
      Quote: iouris
      Another opinion of a written "expert" from the clip. ("It, of course, is so. It, of course, is familiar to the matter, but now, if something happened where, then here it is for you - please !!!")
      And what confirms the expert level?

      Common sense. Nobody has canceled arithmetic yet
    3. -10
      28 July 2020 13: 19
      Quote: iouris
      Another opinion of a written "expert" from the clip.

      kindergarten....
      Quote: iouris
      And what confirms the expert level?

      the presence of a sofa ... from him everything is more visible ...
  4. +25
    28 July 2020 10: 18
    One of the few obyektivnye statues in the Russian-net, respect to the author! hi
    The GDP strategy of an "energy superpower" has failed by all 120%! The author correctly noted that the propaganda in rus-media presents a completely distorted picture of what happened! We expect a flurry of negative comments and drawbacks from the side of the pro-Gazprovom forum users! bully
    1. -4
      28 July 2020 10: 50
      I agree, but there is one caveat:
      to analyze thoughtfully is sheer joy in the best canons and traditions of our neighbors in the West.
      Judging by the latest litigation in the courts and the contracts concluded, the neighbors "on the left" are really in control.
      On the gas fronts.
      1. +5
        28 July 2020 12: 13
        I remembered a case. My daughter, she was 6 years old then, she still went to the kindergarten with her angelic voice and told me a poem:
        An emo girl sitting on a pipe
        Dreaming of death in my head
        The pipe explodes under it,
        Gazprom - Dreams Come True!

        I laughed to tears, I thought I would tear my stomach
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      1. -12
        28 July 2020 11: 19
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        go better harvest tomato

        And they have already given no tomatoes, ketchup and that of Russian production in the networks. In short, complete economic success and independence after joining the EU. How they joined! laughing
        1. +9
          28 July 2020 12: 31
          they have already given no tomatoes, ketchup and the one of Russian production in the networks. In short, complete economic success
          It would be appropriate to say this only when we ourselves have almost everything Chinese.
          Despite the fact that the resource base is not comparable ..
          So you should first look at your log in the eye ..
          1. -14
            28 July 2020 12: 37
            Quote: Roman123567
            It would be appropriate to say this only when we ourselves have almost everything Chinese.

            However, this is a fact. You can't really find your own tomatoes in Bulgaria, the nets are packed with Russian ketchup and dumplings with a sad job.
            Quote: Roman123567
            Despite the fact that the resource base is not comparable ..

            But does a Bulgarian citizen express his "authoritative" opinion about Russia and its economy? Why don't we take a look at the country of the victorious European integration. wink
            Quote: Roman123567
            So you should first look at your log in the eye ..

            This is for the Bulgarian citizen, do not get confused. wink
            1. +9
              28 July 2020 12: 57
              You can't really find your own tomatoes in Bulgaria,

              But we have gas in every village .. and gasoline flows like a river from all cracks ..

              does a Bulgarian citizen express his "authoritative" opinion about Russia and its economy?
              And he says it right ..

              Why should we

              Because "we ourselves have almost everything Chinese ..
              Despite the fact that the resource base is not comparable ..
              So it's worth first looking at your beam in the eye .. "

              I can make it even easier to explain - it's a shame even to compare ourselves with Bulgaria, and to reproach them for something when we ourselves, being surrounded by money, live a little better than them ..

              If one in a puddle breeds a bucket of crucians, and the other, having a lake, is able to get two buckets .. then which of them has the right to laugh and express an opinion ..
              1. -12
                28 July 2020 13: 05
                Quote: Roman123567
                Because "we ourselves have almost everything Chinese.

                Even in the US and Europe, globalization. feel Didn't you know? wink
                1. +5
                  28 July 2020 13: 13
                  Even in the US and Europe, globalization.
                  Did I blame Bulgaria for the fact that they have Russian ketchup ?? Mdya ..
                  1. -10
                    28 July 2020 13: 16
                    Quote: Roman123567
                    Did I blame Bulgaria for the fact that they have Russian ketchup ?? Mdya ..

                    No, you accuse Russia of the fact that there are many Chinese goods. Mdya request
                    1. +3
                      28 July 2020 13: 24
                      you accuse RF

                      I am writing to the one who accuses Bulgaria that "it is worth first to look at your beam in the eye"
                      1. -10
                        28 July 2020 13: 53
                        Quote: Roman123567
                        I am writing to the one who accuses Bulgaria that "it is worth first to look at your beam in the eye"

                        Are you either not a citizen of the Russian Federation, or you hate Russia so much that you are ready to praise Bulgaria to the detriment of your own country? Apparently those who give you a plus are the same. request
                      2. +11
                        28 July 2020 14: 59
                        You are either not a citizen of the Russian Federation, or you hate Russia so much ...

                        You wrote this to Roman, but to me it looks like ... laughing
                      3. -10
                        28 July 2020 15: 04
                        Quote: pytar
                        You wrote this to Roman, but to me it looks like ..

                        I understand that you are protecting yours, but be careful with brandy, abuse does not lead to good. laughing
                      4. +5
                        28 July 2020 15: 30
                        I understand that you are protecting yours, but be careful with brandy, abuse does not lead to good.

                        You don’t understand anything or you pretend you don’t understand .. In any case, you are absolutely unaware of Bulgarian affairs! Especially with algokols! We drink quite a lot, but you rarely see drunk! Because we drink according to our tradition - slowly, always having a snack. Well, get drunk right before the rollback, it happened to me only a couple of times, in my entire long life! laughing So, don't judge others by yourself ... Yes
                      5. +2
                        28 July 2020 17: 39
                        Quote: pytar
                        You don't understand anything, or you pretend not to understand ..

                        it's useless to argue with him. He's in the tank request
                      6. -1
                        28 July 2020 18: 57
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        it's useless to argue with him. He's in the tank
                        And why with a small letter? This is disrespect for the "interlocutor", Boyan in this case. Although who am I ?! laughing
            2. +5
              28 July 2020 14: 54
              You can't really find your own tomatoes in Bulgaria, the nets are packed with Russian ketchup and dumplings with a sad job.

              Daniel von Messer, you're lying here! negative Maybe there is Russian ketchup, I've only seen it in the Beryozka chain! But it is expensive there, because the goods are from a country outside the EU, the duties are high! I am buying kvass from Berezka! Belarusian for me is very tasty! In fact, most of the goods sold in "Birch" are made in Germany or the Baltic states! It's written on the packaging! There are dumplings in supermarkets, both Russian and ... you will be surprised, there are also Bulgarian ones! Moreover, the Bulgarian is fresher, since they are delivered immediately in the networks, and not brought from a thousand kilometers!
            3. +10
              28 July 2020 15: 03
              But does a Bulgarian citizen express his "authoritative" opinion about Russia and its economy?

              I am a Bulgarian citizen married to Russia. laughing I often visit the Russian Federation! I see, I can compare! Russian are good people! Our closest people! But in this truly great country, something is wrong ... sad
              1. -12
                28 July 2020 15: 07
                Quote: pytar
                I am a Bulgarian citizen married to Russia

                Stop overusing. laughing
                1. +4
                  28 July 2020 15: 33
                  Stop overusing.

                  I use it without evil and I'm not going to stop! laughing
              2. +4
                28 July 2020 17: 55
                Quote: pytar
                I am a Bulgarian citizen married to Russia.

                Although you are a Bulgarian citizen, you love Russia more than some here .. our so-called opponents .. hi
                To a great country, what is wrong is happening ... sad

                And the Great Country was occupied by crooks ... but this phenomenon is temporary ... just like everything else hi
                1. +7
                  28 July 2020 20: 14
                  Although you are a Bulgarian citizen, you love Russia more than some here .. our so-called opponents ..

                  Dear Vladimir! hi It turns out that citizenship is not important and not even nationality! For me, many of those here mowing under the masks of a "patriot", in fact, harmful to Russia! They are anti-Russian in essence! I don’t know because of stupidity or because of money, is this done ?!
                  For me personally, Russia and Bulgaria are two parts of one whole. One cultural and historical space, one and the same civilizational code. I have repeated this many times. Some even call Bulgaria a little Russia, and Russia a big Bulgaria.
                  And the Great Country was occupied by crooks ... but this phenomenon is temporary ... just like everything else

                  Russia is karmically doomed to be a Great country! Bearer of high moral values, justice and freedom! This is the only country in the world that has the strength to carry such a heavy product! Sometimes she succeeded, sometimes she didn't. According to my observations, for 20-25 years now, Russia has been methodically, step by step taken out of this path! Deliberately, deliberately taken away into some kind of swamp! And this is done not so much by external enemies / they have always been, it is normal /, but by those who are inside! These are those who usurped power and, under highly patriotic slogans, are digging the coffin of Russia!
                  I am convinced that they will not succeed! As history shows, whoever digs a coffin falls into it himself!
                  I am convinced, because I know - the real Russian is the majority, and the real Russian never gives up! The ego can be deceived, he is too gullible, but the delusion will not last long ... and then the deceivers will fly to the chm. !
                  1. +2
                    28 July 2020 20: 24
                    Quote: pytar
                    I am convinced, because I know - the real Russian is the majority, and the real Russian never gives up! The ego can be deceived, he is too gullible, but the delusion will not last long ... and then the deceivers will fly to the chm. !

                    Very true words .. I absolutely agree with you ... deceived does not mean stupid, it is naive, this is our people .. but when the veil falls from the eyes .. it will not seem a little ... to those who cheat.
                    Sincerely,
                    Vladimir. hi
                  2. +3
                    29 July 2020 02: 47
                    They are anti-Russian in essence! I don’t know because of stupidity or because of money, is this done ?!

                    Reduced social responsibility - definitely not from a great mind, but the "call" of the intestines and the thirst for profit forces him to go to "work" again and again. drinks
                    1. 0
                      29 July 2020 09: 05
                      They have an ugly "job" ... sad
          2. +13
            28 July 2020 12: 58
            It would be appropriate to declare this only when we ourselves have almost everything Chinese ... despite the fact that the resource base is not comparable ... So it is worth looking at your log in the eye first ...

            When their garden has nothing, some start peeping at someone else's ... Normal. lol
            You dear Roman, I put a plus, for an amazing comment! hi Although these are directed to whom, they are unlikely to question ... what
            1. -11
              28 July 2020 13: 07
              Quote: pytar
              When their garden has nothing, some start peeping at someone else's ... OK

              Well, yes, Russia has nothing of its own, everyone envies Bulgaria. A rich, economically independent "not outskirts" of the EU. wink
              1. +2
                28 July 2020 13: 17
                Russia just has everything .. in terms of the "garden" .. and even more ..
                But it grows as much as those who never had a vegetable garden.
                And we even sell them something from our garden ..
                But at the end we have approximately equal pension / minimum wage.

                There are two options .. or we ourselves do not "grow" anything .. or we "grow" a lot, but it all flows away somewhere in the other direction ..
                1. -8
                  28 July 2020 13: 54
                  Quote: Roman123567
                  There are two options .. or we ourselves do not "grow" anything .. or we "grow" a lot, but it all flows away somewhere in the other direction ..

                  Well, there is one option, for example, we sell wheat. Bad too? laughing
              2. +3
                28 July 2020 14: 43
                Well, yes, Russia has nothing of its own, everyone envies Bulgaria.

                Not all Mr. Daniel von Messer, not all ... Russians do not have envy!
                A rich, economically independent "not outskirts" of the EU.

                Yes, as I look around everyone complains, but everyone has everything! As I always remember! fellow On the streets there is nowhere to find parking from cars! People constantly leave the shops, they are great loaded with bags! Coffee is complete with visitors! It's like a quarantine ... At sea, everyone has either already been or is going. This year, our people are resting with us, although there are traffic jams on the border with Greece! The Ministers of Internal Affairs had to call!
                This is in the "outskirts" of the EU ...
                1. -4
                  28 July 2020 14: 49
                  Quote: pytar
                  Russians do not have envy!

                  It is inherent in everyone, but you did not understand the irony, because Russian is not your native language. request
                  1. +2
                    28 July 2020 15: 36
                    It is inherent in everyone, but you did not understand the irony, because Russian is not your native language.

                    Our languages ​​are close, I perfectly understand the irony! Your "note" is not ironic, but rather evil ... No.
                    1. -3
                      28 July 2020 15: 44
                      Quote: pytar
                      Your "note" is not ironic, but rather evil ...

                      Skomorokhov wrote a "note" here, and I was just a comment. So the languages ​​are close, though. but different. And you do not understand me, and even if not everyone is given. wink
                      1. +2
                        28 July 2020 16: 41
                        And you do not understand me, and even if not everyone is given.

                        By the cons that you "earned" I judge that not only I "do not understand". The problem is clearly yours ... No.
                      2. -2
                        28 July 2020 18: 59
                        Quote: pytar
                        By the cons that you "earned" I judge that not only I "do not understand". The problem is clearly yours.

                        Are you here because of the minuses ?! The question is rhetorical. laughing
                      3. -1
                        28 July 2020 19: 26
                        Are you here because of the minuses ?! The question is rhetorical.

                        No, Daniel, I'm here because of communication with normal Russian people, of which there are many! They are the unbending backbone on which Russia is held, and has held on throughout its difficult thousand-year history!
        2. +14
          28 July 2020 12: 55
          And they already have no tomatoes

          Ha, ha !!! Just at the moment I am having a snack with delicious Bulgarian tomatoes, cucumbers, onions and feta cheese! Best in the world! Shopska salad is called!
          1. -11
            28 July 2020 13: 02
            Quote: pytar
            Ha, ha !!! Just at the moment I am having a snack with delicious Bulgarian tomatoes, cucumbers, onions and feta cheese!

            And we couldn't find it. And they did not knock on the houses of private traders (such as summer residents in the Russian Federation). There is no such industrial base for processing and production of Bulgarian agricultural products as in the USSR. In networks like "Janet" (a tape in the Russian Federation), they did not notice anything particularly Bulgarian. There is even ketchup - "Maheev" request
            1. +5
              28 July 2020 14: 17
              And we couldn't find it. And they didn't knock on the houses of private traders (such as summer residents in the Russian Federation). ... In networks like "Janet" (a tape in the Russian Federation), they did not notice anything particularly Bulgarian. There is even ketchup - "Maheev"

              Colleague, this year there really is a problem with tomatoes and some other vegetables. Probably due to the too rainy period in the spring. In our region, everything is more or less normal. There are Bulgarian agricultural markets, and vegetable gardens too. I buy ketchup only "Olineza". Ego is in all stores. It uses only natural Bulgarian vegetables.


              There is no such industrial base for processing, production of Bulgarian agricultural products, as in the USSR.

              I remember well how it was under socialism. He lived half his life with him. In the summer for the brigade, then we load the trains. Everything for the USSR! At that time, our stores were empty. A pitiful picture ... Country producer of agricultural products could not provide themselves with vegetables! All seasons now have it all! Native and imported. This is despite the export, which in 2019 brought approx. 5 EUR! Think about this figure - five billion euros ! Our territory is only 110 thousand. sq. km. - 2/3 mountains or hills! hi
              1. -8
                28 July 2020 14: 27
                Quote: pytar
                Colleague, this year there really is a problem with tomatoes. Probably due to too rainy period in spring

                Well, they admitted at least partially, albeit with a reservation. laughing And we did not see ketchup in the pictures, did not come across. feel
                Quote: pytar
                He lived half his life with him. In the summer for the brigade, then we load the trains. Everything for the USSR!
                At that time, our stores were empty. A pitiful picture ... Country producer of agricultural products could not provide themselves with vegetables!

                Yeah, listen to you, the USSR would not have survived without Bulgaria's help. Bulgaria gave the last pants to the USSR. Straight to tears!
                Quote: pytar
                All seasons now have it all! Native and imported.

                Imported, native .. feel
                Quote: pytar
                This is despite the export, which in 2019 brought approx. 5 EUR! Think about this figure - five billion euros in profit! Our territory is only 000 thousand. sq. km. - 000/000 mountains or hills!

                What a success! Where is Russia before you? feel
                1. +4
                  28 July 2020 15: 18
                  Well, they admitted at least partially, albeit with a reservation. laughing And we have not seen ketchup in the pictures, have not come across.

                  Write to Google BG - "Ketchup Olineza". 19 thousand. results! You can also buy online. I have in all the shops in town! 500 grams costs Wed. 2,19 BGN / ~ 93 rubles /. There are also a bunch of Bulgarian brands, and there are other brands, for example Deroni, which also use Bulgarian vegetables. Yes
                  That's why I say that you are either lying or do not know anything! Yes
                  Yeah, listen to you, the USSR would not have survived without Bulgaria's help. ... Straight to tears!

                  I didn't say anything like that! You yourself came up with, "straight to tears"! laughing Need a handkerchief? crying
                  Imported, native ..

                  Yes! You didn't know that Bulgaria is in the middle climate. strip? You hike, not only do not know anything, but you have never even looked at the map! Our agriculture is seasonal! We import something, export something! Everything is always there!
                  What a success! Where is Russia before you?

                  Well, you do not hesitate to compare the richest country in natural resources in the world with the supposedly poorest of the EU! lol And I must say, the comparison is not unambiguous in the benefits of the richest ... Strange, right? bully
                  1. -9
                    28 July 2020 15: 27
                    Quote: pytar
                    Write to Google BG - "Ketchup Olineza". 19 thousand. results! You can also buy online. I have in all the shops in town! 500 grams costs Wed. 2,19 BGN / ~ 93 rubles /. There are also a bunch of Bulgarian brands, and there are other brands, for example Deroni, which also use Bulgarian vegetables.
                    That's why I say that you are either lying or do not know anything!

                    Quote: pytar
                    I didn't say anything like that! You yourself came up with, "straight to tears"! Need a handkerchief?

                    Quote: pytar
                    Yes! You didn't know that Bulgaria is in the middle climate. strip? You hike, not only do not know anything, but you have never even looked at the map! Our agriculture is seasonal! We import something, export something! Everything is always there!

                    Quote: pytar
                    Well, you do not hesitate to compare the richest country in natural resources in the world with the supposedly poorest of the EU! And I must say, the comparison is not unambiguous in the benefits of the richest... Strange, isn't it?

                    Eck at the "Russophile" Boyan burns out! laughing Is it strange? No, it's not strange. "Russophiles" - they are. feel
          2. +8
            28 July 2020 14: 01
            Quote: pytar
            Ha, ha !!! Just at the moment I am having a snack with delicious Bulgarian tomatoes, cucumbers, onions and feta cheese! Best in the world! Shopska salad is called!

            good Bon appetit, Bulgarian comrade. I also now have a salad of homemade tomatoes and cucumbers drinks
            1. +4
              28 July 2020 14: 29
              Bon appetit, Bulgarian comrade. I also now have a salad of homemade tomatoes and cucumbers

              Thank! To the salad, it goes well ...

              This is not the topic of the article under which we are writing, but I think there are things more important than oil and gas! drinks
      2. +17
        28 July 2020 12: 52
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        you would be a respected Romanian .. ugh, a Bulgarian would be silent in a rag, we’ll figure it out with our own affairs somehow, go better harvest tomatoes

        Not respected Andrey, you obviously have nothing to say, so go to rudeness! lol And note, the Russian members of the forum got rid of you great! negative Which clearly shows that the majority of Russians are quite adequate people! It does not depend on nationality! Yes
        1. +1
          28 July 2020 17: 42
          Dear Bulgarian comrade! Do not be offended by Zaputin's pseudo-patriots. This is their job. For 20 years of power, the result is awful, so they include a fool, or they flirt and are rude on a personal level. Their hidden ideal is the new nobility and slaves. They are such "patriots" that as soon as they are offered "Patria about Muerta", they immediately choose the third - "mani" and "ebrod" (abroad).
          1. +1
            28 July 2020 19: 47
            Dear Bulgarian comrade! Do not be offended by Zaputin's pseudo-patriots.

            Dear Andrey! hi I understand. This irrepressible urya-category in the minority, but it is loud and gives the impression of mass character. In fact, normal sane Russians are much more! They are the normal Russians. People are the unbending ridge on which Russia is held! They have always been, are and will be! Therefore, Russia will always be! good
          2. -3
            28 July 2020 19: 58
            Quote: andrew42
            Dear Bulgarian comrade! Do not be offended by Zaputin's pseudo-patriots. This is their job. For 20 years of power, the result is awful, so they include a fool, or they flirt and rude in their personal plan

            Oops !!!!! The main thing is to kick Putin ?????
            On this basis, the Bulgarian- anti-Soviet (!!!!!) immediately becomes "dear"!!!!!
            Quote: pytar
            In the summer for the brigade, then we load the trains. Everything for the USSR! At that time, our stores were empty. Poor picture ... Country producer of agricultural products could not provide themselves with vegetables! All seasons now have it all!

            The USSR ate poor Bulgaria, so it comes out from the words of "respected"
            You at least looked - take someone as a companion
    3. +7
      28 July 2020 10: 57
      Quote: pytar
      We expect a flurry of negative comments and drawbacks from the side of the pro-Gazprovom forum users!

      Regular - not regular, but before the "virus" Gazprom was selling 200 billion cubic meters per year to the West hi
      1. -3
        28 July 2020 11: 17
        sic transit gloria mundi laughing
      2. +3
        28 July 2020 13: 01
        Regular - not regular, but before the "virus" Gazprom was selling 200 billion cubic meters per year to the West

        It's right! hi But here you have to look at the trends! They are unfavorable for Gazprom. Not in the last place because of the ego is unwise investment policy.
        1. +2
          28 July 2020 23: 04
          Quote: pytar
          Regular - not regular, but before the "virus" Gazprom was selling 200 billion cubic meters per year to the West

          It's right! hi But here you have to look at the trends! They are unfavorable for Gazprom. Not in the last place because of the ego is unwise investment policy.

          Trends are “not favorable” not only for the energy supplier, but also for their consumers. It is not for nothing that consumption has dropped so much. And what about investment policy - was it normal before the "virus"? After all, 200 billion cubic meters of gas per year were sold and buyers asked for more ...
          1. -2
            28 July 2020 23: 29
            Quote: major147
            Trends are “not favorable” not only for the energy supplier, but also for their consumers.

            A bunch of negative factors have stuck! Cumulative effect! And it is unclear when the situation will change. And it could get worse ...
            And what about investment policy - was it normal before the "virus"? After all, 200 billion cubic meters of gas per year were sold and buyers asked for more ...

            There were a number of mistakes made! I will say about 5 fundamental ones that came to my mind now, as I thought about your question:
            1. Pipelines are certainly good, and it is cheaper to push gas through them ... but ... there is no flexibility, this is a hospital! It is suitable for a stable environment where conditions do not change for a long time! And they, these conditions, have changed! The whole world enters turbulence, it is not known for how long and with what result!
            2. Gazprom and Ross. the leadership did not take into account the probabilistic scale of countermeasures from competitors! They were not ready to go to the Kremlin, in fact they are going into a dead end!
            3. "Greed does not lead to good!" - Gazprom acts as a monopolist! He's trying to break through the concrete wall instead of looking for the gate! Gazprom bosses / understand the Kremlin /, not inclined to compromise and retreat. They want everything, and as a result they lose a lot! I can give a concrete example from the South Stream. At one time, it was quite feasible, despite the obstructions from Brussels and Washington, if Gazprom agreed to transfer ownership of part of the pipeline to a company that was not formally related to it.
            4. "Show-off and business, things are incompatible!" - From Gazprom / read the Kremlin / they love to make a fuss, they will show off their grandiose plans! Understand - "we are so cool, we turn the world on our finger"! Megaproject, feats of alal! For comparison, look at China! How he implements truly gigantic projects, quietly, imperceptibly, without attracting attention! Learn from the Chinese gentlemen, or in 50 years you will speak Chinese yourself!
            5. Nothing in this world is eternal, nothing is immutable! Gas is good, but technology is developing so quickly that tomorrow they might invent something more environmentally friendly and cheaper! Everything is possible, nature itself makes humanity in a hurry!
            1. +3
              28 July 2020 23: 35
              Quote: pytar
              Gazprom and Ross. the leadership did not take into account the probabilistic scale of countermeasures from competitors!

              Gazprom is ready to fight honestly with competitors, but not ready for the meanness of the "partners".
              https://politexpert.net/207135-bolgarskii-politolog-raskryl-plan-razvoda-evropy-s-rossiiskim-tureckim-potokom?utm_source=finobzor.ru
              It's time to sleep, tomorrow we will continue. hi
              1. -2
                29 July 2020 08: 52
                Gazprom is ready to fight honestly with competitors, but not ready for the meanness of the "partners".

                In the world of big money, there is no "fair competition". Politics is part of these games. Sergei, you cannot idealize Gazprom either. They are no better than their "partners".
                Thanks for the links. I know Plamen Paskov personally. I argued with him several times. In some ways he is right, in some things he is wrong. The economy is not ego power, he is strong on historical topics, even though he is a veterinarian by education.
                1. +3
                  29 July 2020 12: 48
                  Quote: pytar
                  In the world of big money, there is no "fair competition".

                  Well, if fair competition does not exist, why are we discussing everything here? Two crooks, one of whom sells and the other buys? If there are no moral principles, then there is nothing to discuss. Law of the jungle!
                  The link was given by me, since Plamen showed a general modern trend, the agreement is not worth the paper on which it is written!
                  1. +1
                    29 July 2020 17: 38
                    Well, if fair competition does not exist, why are we discussing everything here? ... The law of the jungle!

                    Discussing unfair competition. Both to the West and to the East, there are swindlers! Law of the jungle!
                    The link was given by me, since Plamen showed a general modern trend, the agreement is not worth the paper on which it is written!

                    In the given case, Plamen was correctly oriented. I said these things even when the protests began. By the way, the construction of the "Balkan Stream" continues, without installation! Yesterday I was at the site on my official duties. All is good!
                    https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/30724-prem-er-bolgarii-proinspektiroval-stroitel-stvo-balkanskogo-potoka
                    1. +2
                      29 July 2020 21: 27
                      Quote: pytar
                      In the given case, Plamen was correctly oriented. I said these things even when the protests began.

                      I'm not talking about the protests in Bulgaria, you can figure it out there yourself. I mean that the EU leadership is two-faced people. Well, the Russian gas pipeline has not yet been declared war, and the same Azerbaijani pipeline has all the privileges. I don't even want to talk about the Americans.
                      1. 0
                        29 July 2020 22: 03
                        I mean that the EU leadership is two-faced people.

                        All leaderships are two-faced people. Otherwise, they would not be engaged in politics. lol
                      2. +1
                        29 July 2020 22: 46
                        Quote: pytar
                        I mean that the EU leadership is two-faced people.

                        All leaderships are two-faced people. Otherwise, they would not be engaged in politics. lol

                        I agree. Politics is a dirty business!
    4. 0
      28 July 2020 13: 06
      The GDP strategy of an "energy superpower" has failed by all 120%!

      Where did the USSR get SLE from? And what did you download to the ATS and CMEA countries? And what did you get from them?
      Do you know why this article? Again raise S R A H, then raise the level of site traffic.
      1. +5
        28 July 2020 14: 06
        Quote: Okolotochny
        Where did the USSR get SLE from? And what did you download to the ATS and CMEA countries? And what did you get from them?

        Well, write an article about it, if you have something to say and the level of education allows. And we will be happy to discuss it.
        Quote: Okolotochny
        Do you know why this article? Again raise S R A H, then raise the level of site traffic.

        That her, red-haired we stagger, you know, red-haired tongue
        1. 0
          28 July 2020 14: 16
          Well, write an article about it, if you have something to say and the level of education allows. And we will be happy to discuss it.

          So there were already so many of them, on VO including, in the comments to various articles as well. Various statistical data. Although I understand you don't read that, you are afraid of different breaks in different places, including the brain. How much did the USSR provide itself with food? Could you give the data or find it yourself? And I also remember grandmothers crying when they received humanitarian aid - NATO dry rations. Remind you of this? Would be silent already in a rag.
          1. +3
            28 July 2020 14: 57
            Quote: Okolotochny
            How much did the USSR provide itself with food? Could you give the data or find it yourself?

            In the USSR, there was a food security program, which meant providing citizens with minimal products in case imports became impossible. This concerned vital products: flour, potatoes, meat, onions, carrots, cabbage, etc. And this program was provided. There is nothing like this in Russia. What besides grain does Russia provide for itself?
            Quote: Okolotochny
            And I also remember grandmothers crying when they received humanitarian aid - NATO dry rations. Remind you of this? Would be silent already in a rag.

            What other NATO dry rations? What are you talking about?
            Quote: Okolotochny
            Would be silent already in a rag.

            I would be silent if people like you did not tell tales here
            1. +1
              28 July 2020 16: 16
              The USSR had a food security program that meant providing citizens with minimal products in case import becomes impossible.

              Key word IMPLIED. Now, know-it-all look at the growth of food imports in the USSR since the 60s. For dry rations, so then you probably were still in the manger. Ask your elders for the late 80s and early 90s. And do not poke, still young. As always, there are zero facts, but sheer communist verbiage, like the author of the opus.
              1. -1
                28 July 2020 17: 54
                Quote: Okolotochny
                The USSR had a food security program that meant providing citizens with minimal products in case import becomes impossible.

                Key word IMPLIED. Now, know-it-all look at the growth of food imports in the USSR since the 60s. For dry rations, so then you probably were still in the manger. Ask your elders for the late 80s and early 90s. And do not poke, still young. As always, there are zero facts, but sheer communist verbiage, like the author of the opus.

                I am 1965. I have lived all my life in the Kaluga Region, but I don’t remember NATO rations.
                1. +1
                  28 July 2020 20: 11
                  In the USSR, there was a food security program, which meant providing citizens with minimal products in case imports became impossible. The program was good - only in practice it did not work in 1986, they bought 46 million tons of grain from the USA and Canada, bought meat, sugar and many other things, but even this country was critically lacking.
              2. +3
                29 July 2020 03: 33
                Okolotochny, better try to explain why your idol hanged the Order of the First-Called to the marked. It is obvious to everyone that it is precisely for betrayal of the Motherland, humiliation of the People, including through the products thrown into the landfill with an artificially created shortage of them in stores. To make it easier to destroy the Great Country and pull it apart through rat holes. Your prison brothers in life on "hogs" eat up, steadfastly transferring the "burdens of service" from someone else's "hut" into their own. You get confused early in your testimony - bear with us a little before the Court.
            2. +5
              28 July 2020 18: 18
              Quote: mdsr
              What other NATO dry rations? What are you talking about?

              Humanitarian aid - early 90s. Including dry rations of the Bundeswehr.
              I just don't remember whether the USSR was still alive during the distribution of rations, or already decomposed into mold and lime honey.
              1. +1
                28 July 2020 21: 20
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Quote: mdsr
                What other NATO dry rations? What are you talking about?

                Humanitarian aid - early 90s. Including dry rations of the Bundeswehr.
                I just don't remember whether the USSR was still alive during the distribution of rations, or already decomposed into mold and lime honey.

                No, Alexei, after the collapse of the USSR, I remember in 1992 they were handed out at school.
                1. +3
                  29 July 2020 07: 31
                  Quote: Clear
                  after the collapse of the USSR, I remember in 1992 they were handed out at school.

                  In 1989, my father received them ... once a month.
              2. +5
                29 July 2020 07: 30
                Quote: Alexey RA
                I just don't remember, the USSR was still alive during the distribution of rations,

                Bundeswehr rations began to be issued in 1989 and their main recipients were WWII veterans, in the same year Germany began to pay 1000 marks to former Ostarbeiters and prisoners of concentration camps.
            3. +3
              28 July 2020 20: 13
              Quote: mdsr
              What other NATO dry rations? What are you talking about?

              Yeah winked ... Now some overweight people deny this, that it was - that was, you cannot erase the words from the song ...
              On October 24, 1992, President George W. Bush signed the so-called FREEDOM Support Act, which primarily concerned Russia. But, he urged to consider the sent goods not as charity, but as "investments in the security of the West and the whole world and stability for decades to come." I also connected NATO to this.
              These were, not only gratuitous deliveries, a lot was released on some kind of preferential loans.
              I must say, food parcels came to the court: in those years there were examples when whole families sat on the same buckwheat for several weeks.

              Two packs of matches made from German army rations (one pack opened)
    5. -8
      28 July 2020 13: 25
      Quote: pytar
      One of the few obyektivnye statues in the Russian-net, respect to the author!

      go to Ukrainian sites, there is a lot of such suitability!
      Quote: pytar
      The GDP strategy of an "energy superpower" has failed by all 120%!

      Was it such a strategy? maybe it was the strategy of Germany (SP / SP2)?
      superpower cannot be raw material! even a child can understand it! and GDP is also understandable!
      Quote: pytar
      We expect a flurry of negative comments and drawbacks from the side of the pro-Gazprovom forum users!

      Whose are you talking about? proukaine?
      1. -2
        28 July 2020 13: 57
        Quote: NEOZ
        Whose are you talking about? proukaine?

        This is not surprising, because not so long ago, Bulgaria opened the country for visiting citizens of Ukraine, but not for citizens of Russia. wink
        1. -1
          28 July 2020 15: 11
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Bulgaria opened the country for visiting citizens of Ukraine,

          We don't need a Turkish coast! KRYMNASH !!!!!
        2. -1
          28 July 2020 15: 44
          Bulgaria opened the country to Ukrainian citizens, but not Russian citizens

          Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, we accept everyone as family! fellow The problem at the moment, with the level of infection in the Russian Federation. Most recently, out of 11 who came, Russians working in Russia. companies, 4 were infected. The whole group had to be quarantined, the work was reinstalled, these 4 are in the hospital, one has already been cured. Obviously of. Ross. statistics show underestimated data. Well, it will pass! Yes
          1. +1
            28 July 2020 15: 49
            Quote: pytar
            The problem at the moment, with the level of infection in the Russian Federation.

            Yeah, is everything good in Ukraine with the infection? It is not true to say badly, "Russophile" Boyan. wink
            1. -2
              28 July 2020 16: 32
              Yeah, is everything good in Ukraine with the infection?

              I personally do not know how it is with the infection. The Ministry of Health deals with this. I know more or less about the situation in the Russian Federation. But this is also within the competence of the Ministry of Health.
              It is not true to say badly, "Russophile" Boyan.

              Russophobe Daniel von Messer says lies ... negative
          2. +1
            28 July 2020 16: 19
            Boyan, what is interesting, you are drowning during the Soviet times, in other articles you disown them. You will decide what is long and what is short.
            1. -3
              28 July 2020 18: 01
              Boyan, what is interesting, you are drowning during the Soviet times, in other articles you disown them.

              Alexey, there was good, there was bad. Someone thinks that the first is more, someone the second! And someone sees everything only in white and black. I am not a Daltonist. The picture is multicolored! hi
              1. -2
                28 July 2020 19: 01
                Quote: pytar
                I am not a Daltonist.

                To tears! laughing
                1. -4
                  28 July 2020 19: 53
                  Tank Hard (Daniel von Messer) Today, 14: 27
                  Straight to tears!

                  Tank Hard (Daniel von Messer) Today, 19: 01
                  To tears!

                  Daniel you shed many tears here crying ! A whole river! Flood! belay
                  1. -3
                    29 July 2020 07: 36
                    Quote: pytar
                    A whole river! Flood!

                    I will also cry over your grave. wink
                    The Russophobe Daniel von Messer says lies.

                    Bulgaria allowed citizens of Ukraine and the United States to enter the country (now the main country in terms of the number of patients with the virus), but Russian citizens were not allowed to enter Bulgaria. So they respect and love Russia in Bulgaria. And who is telling a lie? But the "Russophile" Boyan will now begin to sing the song as he is "married to Russia", and in extreme cases he can always say this:
                    I personally do not know how it is with the infection. MZ deals with this

                    It's good that not MI6. laughing
                    1. -2
                      29 July 2020 09: 16
                      I will also cry over your grave.

                      But how will it be with this, only the Lord knows! Keep crying, otherwise your dreams, wet with crying, may not come true ... laughing
                      Bulgaria allowed citizens of Ukraine and the United States to enter the country, but Russian citizens were not allowed to enter Bulgaria. So they respect and love Russia in Bulgaria.

                      I don't know how viral the situation is in Ukraine, but a very small number of people come from the United States. Covid-19 and love are opposite things! Better that he doesn't fall in love with you Daniel! wassat
                      But "Russophile" Boyan will now begin to sing a song like he is "married to Russia"

                      Yes Yes! This is a love marriage! love Envy! Yes
                      It's good that not MI6.

                      Who knows? Maybe MI6 is in the know! bully
                      1. +2
                        29 July 2020 11: 19
                        Quote: pytar
                        Envy!

                        Who to envy ?! Were under the Turks, then served the Germans, now serve the USA and the Germans, soon you may be under the Turks again. feel Serving and betraying is the fate of some. request
                      2. -3
                        29 July 2020 11: 51
                        Who to envy ?! Were under the Turks, then served the Germans, now serve the USA and the Germans, soon you may be under the Turks again. Serve and betray, this is the fate of some.

                        A pitiful attempt by Daniel von Messer to be rude to one nation! negative Your jump has failed! The base is rotten. No. This concludes my communication with you. You can continue crying alone ... Yes
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          3. +1
            28 July 2020 16: 28
            Quote: pytar
            we all accept as family!

            would be with money, right?
            just write, we are glad to everyone who has money!
            and then the United States forbade us to sit on the pipe ... and live better, oh, how you want.
            1. -3
              28 July 2020 18: 10
              would be with money, right?

              Russians come to visit me every year! drinks These are my friends and acquaintances, of course money is out of the question! But the tourist business, like any business, has normal money.
              just write, we are glad to everyone who has money!

              I am glad to my friends, and who has a tourist business, happy tourists! fellow
              otherwise the United States forbade us to sit on the pipe ... but live better, oh, how you want

              Well ... if "your pipe is FSE", "how will you live?"?!?! belay I am a good person Yes , I can calm you down a little - the pipe is not yours for a long time No. , I mean the People ...
      2. -3
        28 July 2020 21: 03
        Quote: NEOZ
        go to Ukrainian sites, there is a lot of such suitability!

        Only if in Russian! I understand Surdzhik somehow, but Zap-Ukrainian in any way.
        Of the Ukrainian on YouTube, I watched only Gordon a couple of times and another, I don't remember the name. Not impressed. request
        At the same time, you probably know that Gazprom possesses a colossal information resource! And uses the ego mainly for propaganda / concealment of the mistakes of the Gazprom management and the Most important ...
        Whose are you talking about? proukaine?

        Don't understand what you mean ?! On the oil and gas theme, I was impressed only by Mikhail Krutikhin! An excellent expert, I agree with him on almost everything! Here the thing is ... I have been working in the field of infrastructure for more than 20 years, including gas. I contacted specialists from Gazprom. I must say, the technical and engineering staff deserve respect! Top class professionals! They will do the impossible! good
        But higher in the hierarchy .. horror ... negative At the top they deal more with politics than with labor matters!
    6. +1
      30 July 2020 00: 40
      There is no strategy, there is opportunism.
      Is Bulgaria refusing to buy gas from an "energy superpower"?
      Winter is coming soon. Winter will come - 120% (although I don’t understand where the extra 20% comes from in Bulgaria? Perhaps Merkel is paying extra?).
      1. 0
        30 July 2020 09: 54
        Is Bulgaria refusing to buy gas from an "energy superpower"?

        Of course not! Diversification is just being carried out, Gazprom's share is decreasing. Monopolist, ceased to be a monopolist. As a result, the gas giant itself has lowered prices. At the beginning of the year, they also returned to consumers previously overpaid money on bills. It is always best for the consumer to have several options.
        Winter is coming soon. Winter will come

        Our winters are short and not so cold. Snow is delayed for only a week, and sometimes for 2-3 days. The essence of gasification in BG began after the 90s. Previously, no one had gas. Rarely, someone bought something in cylinders. And nothing! We lived normally and without gas! request Almost all cities with a population of more than 10 thousand. gasified. With all that, interest in gas is weak, household consumers are only 4-5%.
        The government is trying to stimulate consumption, they have developed a program under which the government pays 30% of the connection costs.
        although I don’t understand where the extra 20% comes from in Bulgaria? Perhaps Merkel is paying extra?

        The mentality of the Bulgarian people is thrifty! They always leave savings, reserve like. We say "bet on the rabble days" ("white" money for "black" days, just in case, like)!
  5. +15
    28 July 2020 10: 20
    Does Miller not have a very large salary with such achievements? Why is the salary of an ordinary Gazprom employee 20-30 thousand rubles, while the managers get the same amount per day, or even per hour? Isn't this the reason for the ineffectiveness of the managers. What's the difference, the state will give money anyway.
    1. +10
      28 July 2020 10: 33
      Quote: Balu
      Does Miller not have a very large salary with such achievements? Why is the salary of an ordinary Gazprom employee 20-30 thousand rubles, while the managers get the same amount per day, or even per hour?

      What did you think, "Ozerkovskys" think about how much the Hasprom workers get there, or what kind of pension is there for the slaves? Yes, they spat on us because of the backs of the Putin Guards.
      1. -4
        28 July 2020 14: 15
        Quote: mdsr
        What did you think, "Ozerkovskys" think about how much the Hasprom workers get there, or what kind of pension is there for the slaves? Yes, they spat on us because of the backs of the Putin Guards.

        zp in gazprom are good, you just can't get there, you have to be either very smart or with relatives working there.
        ps
        What education do you have? I see you are an expert in everything.
        1. +4
          28 July 2020 15: 03
          Quote: NEOZ
          salary in gazprom good

          About Africa? Yes, I agree. On average, 25-30 thousand are received by the workers of the gas compressor station, not far from our city, where we changed the water supply system. Honestly, to say that I was tortured to run with these outfits there is to say nothing. I swore that I will never go to work on the territories of Gazprom's GKS again. I'd rather quit
          Quote: NEOZ
          you just don't get there, you have to be either very smart or with relatives working there.

          I agree that you can't get a job without connections. But this is solely due to the lack of other work.
          Quote: NEOZ
          What education do you have?

          Higher. Civil engineer. I work in my specialty.
          Quote: NEOZ
          I see you are an expert in everything.

          Contact wink
          1. 0
            28 July 2020 15: 32
            Quote: mdsr
            About Africa? Yes, I agree.

            can you make a comparative analysis of salaries in Gazprom and African countries?
            Quote: mdsr
            25-30 thousand employees of the gas compressor station receive

            Well, how much should they get for looking at the pressure gauge in three days?
            Quote: mdsr
            But this is solely due to the lack of other work.

            army per contract - from 45000 rubles.
            Ministry of Internal Affairs / Ministry of Emergency Situations / Healthcare, but there is plenty of work, there would be a desire ... and education ...
          2. -3
            28 July 2020 16: 32
            Quote: mdsr
            Higher. Civil engineer. I work in my specialty.

            and 500 bucks ??? - 35000 rubles ???
            are you laughing or what?
            the loader in the "pyaterochka" store earns more !!!!!!!
    2. 0
      28 July 2020 11: 18
      This is a rhetorical question.
    3. -4
      28 July 2020 14: 08
      Quote: Balu
      Why is the salary of an ordinary Gazprom employee 20-30 thousand?

      you're lying!!!
      my friend works as an engineer in gazprom ... his salary is 400t.r.
      1. +7
        28 July 2020 15: 10
        Quote: NEOZ
        my friend works as an engineer in gazprom ... he has 400 salary

        Well, it's complete nonsense. Why are you firing SO?
        1. -2
          28 July 2020 15: 46
          Quote: mdsr
          Well, it's complete nonsense.

          aircraft pilot - 600t.r. not nonsense?
          electrical engineer in airplanes - 320t.r. not nonsense?
          engine maintenance technician - 150t.r. not nonsense?
          purchase department:
          head * department (80 people subordinate) - from 460t.r. (floating, from production)
          * deputies (3 pcs.) - 200-250t.r.
          ordinary employees - from 35-80t.r.
          these are real salaries ... but you may not believe it ....
          1. -1
            28 July 2020 17: 47
            So let's rename Russia to Gazpromia. We will all move there with pleasure - to live and work. I would also remember the players with their salaries, our stars from the premier clubbers.
    4. 0
      28 July 2020 14: 10
      Quote: Balu
      Why is the salary of an ordinary Gazprom employee 20-30 thousand?

      Well, then they would study as pilots, there salary of 450-600t.r. !!!!!!!
      all the more so now there is a shortage of personnel!
    5. -3
      28 July 2020 14: 12
      Quote: Balu
      And the menageries get the same amount per day, or even per hour?

      managers receive the same amount as their counterparts in other countries in comparable positions.
      1. +7
        28 July 2020 15: 09
        Quote: NEOZ
        managers receive the same amount as their counterparts in other countries in comparable positions.

        Then why don't their employees receive a salary comparable to their foreign colleagues?
        1. -3
          28 July 2020 15: 50
          Quote: mdsr
          Then why don't workers get salaries comparable to their foreign colleagues?

          because ordinary workers are sold in the domestic market (in accordance with the level of wages in the country), and not internationally.
          1. +2
            29 July 2020 03: 58
            because ordinary workers are sold in the domestic market (in accordance with the level of wages in the country), and not internationally.

            That is, you consider it normal to divide citizens into "ubermensch" and "untermenshe". Everything is very clear. Then "treat with understanding" when the latter will explain to you with a pickaxe on the "globe" that all people are equal. In what "market" you are sold, it is also quite obvious. Just don't overstrain yourself prematurely.
            1. -1
              3 August 2020 11: 01
              Quote: lexus
              That is, you consider it normal to divide citizens into "ubermensch" and "untermenshe". Everything is very clear.

              stupid to resist the laws of nature ...
  6. +2
    28 July 2020 10: 23
    And besides gas and oil, we have nothing to sell, but there is still competitive armament and the rest is all imported, the best cars are tractors cranes excavators televisions refrigerators washing machines telephones. In space and aircraft construction and everywhere we are lagging behind. Here's Putin's breakthrough and entry into the top five economies in the world. In terms of living standards, we compete with the tribes of Africa, and then some bypass us. Such a feeling that we have an organized disorder and as long as Putin is in power it will continue
    1. -10
      28 July 2020 10: 56
      but before the Putin regime we seemed to be selling something else ??? and were everywhere ahead of the rest ???
      1. -6
        28 July 2020 11: 28
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        but before the Putin regime we seemed to be selling something else ??? and were everywhere ahead of the rest ???

        And they either did not study in a Soviet school or, in general, came from countries of a "universal" orientation, that is. just do not know anything about the country of the RI-USSR-RF or banal, they say a lie. request
        1. +2
          28 July 2020 12: 34
          before the Putin regime, we seemed to be selling something else

          they either did not study at a Soviet school

          Only those who did not study in the Soviet school can write this in real life.
          Otherwise they would have known that at that time the country "even" knew how to make plates for itself .. and wrote the price tag at the bottom ..
          1. -8
            28 July 2020 12: 42
            Quote: Roman123567
            Otherwise they would have known that at that time the country "even" knew how to make plates for itself .. and wrote the price tag at the bottom ..

            Come on, the button accordion has already been broken on this topic. Neither oil and gas were the main products for sale abroad? Yeah, apparently Lada crowded Volkswagen and Toyota in the markets of decaying capitalism? wink
            1. -3
              28 July 2020 13: 04
              Neither oil nor gas were main product for sale abroad?


              Buying and selling are two NON-BREAKING factors.
              Simply put, a sale is a purchase with a minus sign .. Debit is a credit ..
              Then, I repeat, the country "even" knew how to make plates for itself .. which we are buying now ..
              1. -7
                28 July 2020 13: 12
                Quote: Roman123567
                Buying and selling are two NON-BREAKING factors.

                What is it for? Well, okay, the USSR sold oil and gas, like the Russian Federation, and what did the USSR buy from the bourgeoisie? Tell us?
                1. 0
                  28 July 2020 13: 29
                  and what did the USSR buy from the bourgeoisie?

                  And I told about it - the country "even" knew how to make plates for itself .. To paraphrase - then we bought orders of magnitude least of all .. because we could do something ourselves .. Now we sell only oil / gas ourselves .. but we buy everything from panties, nails and pencils to airplanes, etc.
                  1. -5
                    28 July 2020 14: 01
                    Quote: Roman123567
                    And I told about it - the country "even" knew how to make plates for itself ..

                    Read you here, so the USSR only knew how to make plates. Neither Burana, nor aircraft, nor engines for them, but only plates. laughing
                    But you still haven't answered my question:
                    , and what did the USSR buy from the bourgeoisie? Tell us?

                    Eh? wink
                    1. 0
                      29 July 2020 01: 14
                      Unfortunately, Buran, to some extent, repeated the fate of other super-complex and expensive projects of the USSR, they were created in single copies, and realizing that they would be very expensive to operate, and the very use of any specific benefit does not simply turn them down.
                  2. 0
                    29 July 2020 01: 10
                    "Starting from panties, nails and pencils, ending with airplanes, etc. - All this is already in Russia, they themselves produce and localize foreign production of a full cycle on the market, our products are not alone - the last word for the client that he decides to buy, he will buy.
                    1. +1
                      29 July 2020 07: 42
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      "Starting from panties, nails and pencils, ending with airplanes, etc. - All this is already in Russia, they themselves produce and localize foreign production of a full cycle on the market, our products are not alone - the last word for the client that he decides to buy, he will buy.

                      They will start to minus you. Your opinion is not included in the plans of those who need to slander Russia in any way. They do not even hate the country's leadership, but the country itself. However, read the messages carefully, you will see for yourself.
      2. 0
        28 July 2020 13: 28
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        but before the Putin regime we seemed to be selling something else ??? and were everywhere ahead of the rest ???

        So, offhand: fertilizers, tractors, fish, machine tools, chemistry. Just understand that now the market is divided and it is very difficult to offer something really competitive. The cost of production is heating the premises in winter, and somewhere in Taiwan they do it in a simple hangar. until recently, space launches were sold, now we will probably slowly lose the market
    2. +1
      28 July 2020 11: 19
      You are not right. There is also gold, ores, timber for sale. And this ... the soldiers can still be supplied
      1. -4
        28 July 2020 11: 42
        Quote: Harry Cuper
        You are not right. There is also gold, ores, timber for sale. And this ... the soldiers can still be supplied

        Aber Sie haben das leider nicht und solchen Wunsch gibt es, nicht wahr? wink laughing
        1. 0
          28 July 2020 17: 35
          in English moth *** er, in English laughing
      2. 0
        2 August 2020 19: 07
        It won't work with soldiers. Demographic crisis.
    3. +4
      28 July 2020 11: 28
      The export of agricultural products actually exceeds the export of weapons in value.
      1. +4
        28 July 2020 12: 17
        Well, yes, as soon as serious money from the budget went to agriculture, and from export, respectively, currency, a man with the speaking surname "Patrushev" immediately became the minister of agriculture.
      2. +6
        28 July 2020 12: 32
        Quote: Sergej1972
        Agricultural exports

        Yes you are right. It's just not so long ago that I watched an interview with the head of the Russian grain union, where he convincingly argued that domestic grain prices should be equated to world prices.
        I am not against the export of oil, gas, weapons, grain and timber, but this should not happen to the detriment of the state and the population.
    4. -4
      28 July 2020 14: 17
      Quote: Sether
      In terms of living standards, we compete with the tribes of Africa, and then some bypass us.

      give statistics. Enough to write slogans ... writer ...
  7. +9
    28 July 2020 10: 25
    These guys will always be in the black.
  8. -15
    28 July 2020 10: 27
    Ha!
    The author has a strange position. He wrote the whole article about how bad it is to be a gas station, how bad it is to be a gas station, and here at the end, you have fear and horror, what will happen if no one buys? Nothing will happen. Everything will remain the same.
    And if the pipes are not built, but simply to distribute all the money to areas of the economy that do not bring currency to the treasury, what will happen? Yes, the same, nothing! Only at the same time, a lot of money will also flow abroad in the form of tourist trips, transfers to offshore companies.
    In general, everything is as always. It would be better if they gave it out. And so it was distributed to those for whom hundreds of thousands of people work. And saving the restaurants, they yelled the most about the difficulties in the coronavirus, there is little sense. Closes - opens again.
    Well, a Russian person does not like his country. What can we say. He dreams of dumping everything and preferably farther away, where a foreign people created everything for themselves, and the Russians dream of doing nothing here, but enjoying the benefits there, with money that should have been spent not on pipes. ))
    1. +2
      28 July 2020 13: 32
      Quote: mark2
      Ha!
      The author has a strange position. He wrote the whole article about how bad it is to be a gas station, how bad it is to be a gas station, and here at the end, you have fear and horror, what will happen if no one buys? Nothing will happen. Everything will remain the same.
      And if the pipes are not built, but simply to distribute all the money to areas of the economy that do not bring currency to the treasury, what will happen? Yes, the same, nothing! Only at the same time, a lot of money will also flow abroad in the form of tourist trips, transfers to offshore companies.
      In general, everything is as always. It would be better if they gave it out. And so it was distributed to those for whom hundreds of thousands of people work. And saving the restaurants, they yelled the most about the difficulties in the coronavirus, there is little sense. Closes - opens again.
      Well, a Russian person does not like his country. What can we say. He dreams of dumping everything and preferably farther away, where a foreign people created everything for themselves, and the Russians dream of doing nothing here, but enjoying the benefits there, with money that should have been spent not on pipes. ))

      The question is not whether to build or not build, but in calculating a strategy. Build tankers and liquefied gas terminals instead of pipes and send to any point. Turkey wants to Turkey. China wants to China.
      1. 0
        28 July 2020 20: 18
        The question is not whether to build or not build, but in calculating a strategy. Build tankers and liquefied gas terminals instead of pipes and send to any point. Turkey wants to Turkey. China wants to China.

        So this is the calculation of the strategy. If you live in an apartment, you are supplied with water through a pipe and not brought up in barrels every day. the pipe is cheaper. They do not want to buy today, well, they will turn off the tap, and tomorrow they want it - they will open it. and tankers with terminals are more expensive. Tankers and terminals take years to build, and leased tankers also cost a lot. and the pipe is a couple of years old and ready, with all the infrastructure changes.
        1. +2
          28 July 2020 22: 19
          Quote: mark2
          and the pipe is a couple of years old and ready, with all the infrastructure changes.

          And then dances with a tambourine begin around the countries in which the pipes are laid
    2. -6
      28 July 2020 14: 21
      Quote: mark2
      The author has a strange position.

      it is Ukrainian ... Ukrainian experts usually express their thoughts in such a primitive way.
      Quote: mark2
      Well, a Russian person does not like his country.

      and he is not Russian.
      Quote: mark2
      Only at the same time, a lot of money will also flow abroad in the form of tourist trips, transfers to offshore companies.

      100%
    3. 0
      28 July 2020 17: 38
      it is interesting to watch the members of the forum - the Academician came out of Nakhodka, everyone here was ready to go to protect him ... every day a summary of the positioning of the national property in spite of the west construction of the century ... right now the topic has calmed down the people turned in the opposite direction)))))
  9. +10
    28 July 2020 10: 28
    Anyone who builds their program solely on the sale of natural resources is at risk and very much. So far, the salvation is that the country is rich in various, demanded resources, but this is not forever.
    Moreover, due to political problems, any cooperation with Russia will be trying to undercut.
    Anyway, you can live and not bad if you set the correct guidelines for your own development and follow them.
    But what do we really see? This is not an idle question.
    1. +2
      28 July 2020 12: 12
      Building a program solely on the sale of technology products is also risky. China and FSE will appear. Then prove to the whole world that they stole everything there.
      1. +1
        28 July 2020 12: 20
        Each area has its own advantages and risks.
        Ideally, harmonious development is necessary, in all possible directions ...
        Is this possible in real life ??? it doesn’t matter, you should strive for that.
    2. +5
      28 July 2020 12: 34
      Quote: rocket757
      Anyone who builds their program only on the sale of natural resources is at risk and very much

      Victor, they compensated their risks with real estate and bills abroad.
      1. 0
        28 July 2020 12: 40
        I'm not talking about grabbing hands, greedy mouths. This can be discussed separately, although everything has long been defined there.
        I'm talking about the development of the industry, industry in general. There, after all, it is also clear what needs to be done so that many are not left behind.
        1. +5
          28 July 2020 12: 49
          Quote: rocket757
          I'm talking about the development of the industry, industry in general.

          Development takes place only in the extractive industry, and then in certain sectors. Precisely those that are sharpened for the export of raw materials. Otherwise, the resources of the Soviet heritage are being squeezed out.
          I now work at an enterprise, a daughter of a well-known company - equipment of the 70s. All modernization is fake. There are no banal bolts, we are looking for old ones. The only thing that has been completely changed is the fire alarm. There is a banal squeeze.
          1. +3
            28 July 2020 13: 03
            I do not work on a collective farm, by the nature of my work I visit many enterprises ... we, as they say now, have a large industrial cluster. Chemistry, metallurgy, metalworking and more. More than a dozen large enterprises alone.
            Problems are everywhere, but most of the enterprises are working, renovating ... for sure, worse than it should have been, but I have not heard that somewhere they live at the expense of cannibalism, dismantle one thing in order to repair the other.
            They are also closing very old production facilities. From the point of view of new, for new equipment. Very compact ...
            Something like this. I understand that this is not the case everywhere, but you should not sprinkle ashes on your head.
            As long as we are alive and working, it means we can change something, for the better.
    3. -7
      28 July 2020 14: 26
      Quote: rocket757
      But what do we really see? This is not an idle question.

      and what do you see? share your observations.
      Quote: rocket757
      Anyone who builds his program only on the sale of natural resources

      on what basis is this conclusion made?
      Quote: rocket757
      that the country is rich in various, demanded resources

      it's not salvation at all! look at Iranian oil and the high-tech product embargo.
      1. +2
        28 July 2020 14: 53
        Have you ever read what was written and why, or just thought of it yourself?
        Quote: NEOZ
        and what do you see? share your observations

        The question is clear, the answer is that the country has not recovered after the devastating 90s, there are several reasons for this, obviously there are some to blame. W.t.ch. a significant part of the blame lies with the administrative structures of the state, with the persons who were in charge ... we will attach the list when the time comes.
        Now there is some stirring, work, there is .... let's look at the result.
        Everything is on the scales of history. Weigh everything, and then "hand out earrings to the sisters."
        I don't answer the rest. By yourself, by yourself.
        1. +1
          28 July 2020 22: 25
          Quote: rocket757
          answer - the country did not recover from the devastating 90s

          The USSR recovered after the war for the same 20 years, made an atomic bomb, built a missile air defense system, launched a man into space, and you are talking about Russia
          1. 0
            28 July 2020 22: 38
            Consider, we are talking about different states !!! In the USSR, the Leaders stood at the head of the PEOPLE, who were restoring the country, all together!
            And in present-day Russia, the same, consider who the country was destroyed, it and the people were robbed, and remained in power! What kind of restoration could we talk about. It is now, for some reasons beyond their control, they are forced to somehow invest in their production, otherwise they will fly over the hill or even fly out, almost with bare sirloin and without support. Then their local "colleagues" pluck to the bone. This is where everything goes.
  10. -2
    28 July 2020 10: 30
    A specific article ... From the general series of articles about the fact that the boss has disappeared ... Reject the gentleman, comrades!
    1. +5
      28 July 2020 11: 21
      Not yet, not all is lost. But with such guidance it will definitely disappear. It's a question of time.
      1. -7
        28 July 2020 11: 24
        Quote: Harry Cuper
        Not yet, not all is lost. But with such guidance it will definitely disappear. It's a question of time.

        What kind of leadership should there be in Russia? Suggest when criticizing. Otherwise, there is no need to shake the air.
        1. +7
          28 July 2020 11: 27
          Are you seriously laughing laughing? The clearing is covered with asphalt, evolutionary changes are no longer possible.
          1. -11
            28 July 2020 11: 31
            Quote: Harry Cuper
            Are you seriously laughing laughing? The clearing is covered with asphalt, evolutionary changes are no longer possible.

            Very seriously ... If you criticize, then you see a different evolution. Otherwise, why then shake the air.
            1. +3
              28 July 2020 12: 23
              Perhaps we should start by recognizing that capitalism and democracy are either there or not. And the "special way" and some "sovereign" (understand - completely subordinate to the ruling elite, without the restrictions imposed by the social contract) socio-economic systems are a banal deception of citizens for selfish purposes.
            2. +1
              28 July 2020 12: 35
              Grudinin offered a real program.
              1. -3
                28 July 2020 12: 51
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Grudinin offered a real program.

                I did not like this head of the collective farm who suddenly became a communist. It's like an orange. In general, it is difficult to see anyone. I would have looked at Kochergin, but there are cockroaches with monarchism. For me, this topic should be closed in Russia (monarchism), as it did not withstand the test of history.
                1. +4
                  28 July 2020 12: 54
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  I did not like this head of the collective farm who suddenly became a communist

                  Maybe we'll discuss his program, otherwise I don't like Putin's program (or rather its absence). wink
                  1. -4
                    28 July 2020 12: 57
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Maybe we can discuss his program,

                    Well, if there is a profile branch. I would listen to the arguments.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    otherwise I don’t like Putin’s program (or rather its absence)

                    I'm also not happy.
              2. +3
                28 July 2020 17: 52
                Grudinin had the imprudence to blurt out about nationalization in the heat of the moment. The Zaputins had their bellies twisted for 2 days, and then Grudinin was discredited in all directions from all speaking mouths. Grudinin acted inadvertently, and got off lightly.
            3. -1
              28 July 2020 12: 37
              If your plate stinks, you don't have to be a chef yourself and advise on how to cook correctly in order to have the right to criticize ..
              1. -5
                28 July 2020 13: 37
                Quote: Roman123567
                If your plate stinks, you don't have to be a chef yourself and advise on how to cook correctly in order to have the right to criticize ..

                If your plate stinks, it means that you yourself bought expired food and prepared food!. And if you went to have lunch in a cafe-dining room, the restaurant is obliged to return your money ... and apologize ... So, you need and can criticize ... Indicating the necessary actions to correct the error .. And not poke like a first grader and gag ...
        2. +2
          28 July 2020 13: 38
          Quote: 30 vis
          Quote: Harry Cuper
          Not yet, not all is lost. But with such guidance it will definitely disappear. It's a question of time.

          What kind of leadership should there be in Russia? Suggest when criticizing. Otherwise, there is no need to shake the air.

          At a minimum, the management should calculate the risks and upset companies with state participation. If Gazprom were a private structure and built on its own money, for God's sake. And now it is building on the money of future retirees, the funded part of whom the state has frozen. And Sberbank was bought in order to it was possible to put a paw on the population's deposits.
        3. -2
          28 July 2020 14: 28
          Quote: 30 vis
          Suggest when criticizing. Otherwise, there is no need to shake the air.

          Americans really do not want to see the GDP at the helm of the Russian Federation ... like this comrade, by the way!
          1. -8
            28 July 2020 14: 42
            The vast majority of residents of the Hero City of Sevastopol are satisfied with Putin. And me too! I, Sevastopol.
            1. 0
              28 July 2020 22: 27
              Quote: 30 vis
              The vast majority of residents of the Hero City of Sevastopol are satisfied with Putin. And me too! I, Sevastopol.

              In addition to Sevastopol and Moscow, there are other regions with St. Petersburg.
              1. 0
                29 July 2020 10: 40
                Quote: Pilat2009
                Quote: 30 vis
                The vast majority of residents of the Hero City of Sevastopol are satisfied with Putin. And me too! I, Sevastopol.

                In addition to Sevastopol and Moscow, there are other regions with St. Petersburg.

                Where normally thinking people live, and not only the apologists of sicilism-communism ... critics and all the scummers. hi
        4. +8
          28 July 2020 17: 44
          Quote: 30 vis
          Suggest when criticizing. Otherwise, there is no need to shake the air.

          1. 0
            28 July 2020 18: 02
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: 30 vis
            Suggest when criticizing. Otherwise, there is no need to shake the air.


            You perfectly understood everything! hi Get off the hook for the critics. belay And frankly say that this is not right, but it will be right to do so! You can't .. There are only two reasons. The first reason is that there is no normal plan for the evolution of society. The second reason is banal cowardice to take responsibility.
  11. +1
    28 July 2020 10: 39
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: bober1982
    It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.

    I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins? wassat Is this the main thing for you?

    Do you think you managed to delight someone here with your logic? The man was simply exaggerating. He just wanted to say that Denmark is not independent in its decisions even once and acts like an ordinary sorry ... just now. there is also no talk about Denmark embodying its interests in this way. So why respect her?
    1. +6
      28 July 2020 12: 28
      For a consistently high standard of living of citizens in the absence of special natural resources, no?
      Nor does it deserve it: “Denmark turns out to be the happiest country in the world, according to a UN study. One of its main findings in the current World Happiness Report is that countries with lower levels of social inequality are generally happier.
      The top five, apart from Denmark, included Switzerland. Iceland, Norway and Finland. All these countries have well-developed social security systems. "?
      1. -5
        28 July 2020 14: 30
        Quote: unaha
        For a consistently high standard of living of citizens in the absence of special natural resources, no?

        do you know Denmark's price for a high standard of living?
        would you like to pay such a price for a high standard of living?
        1. +1
          28 July 2020 14: 54
          "you know the price of Denmark for a high standard of living" - specify what price are we talking about?
          1. -3
            28 July 2020 16: 08
            Quote: unaha
            specify what price we are talking about?

            complete loss of sovereignty (supranational governance / banking system / army / education, etc.), a ban on high-tech developments.
            Denmark's external debt of GDP is 244% !!!!!!!! those. Denmark consumes 2,5 times more than it earns !!!!
            in other words, the welfare of the Danes depends on the country that constantly lends them money (US dollars).
            that's all your Denmark ...
            1. +2
              28 July 2020 18: 51
              Where did you get these numbers? Denmark's public debt to GDP is about 34%. External debt 139%. Quite a lot, but the country serves him without problems.
              "complete loss of sovereignty" - where does this follow? In following the general "western" course towards the Russian Federation? So they are allies, it would be strange if they did not follow (you are not surprised by the position of Belarus with which we seem to be allies, regarding Crimea, for example?).

              "ban on high-tech developments" - perhaps you can confirm something? I have little idea how this prohibition could be implemented in a market economy.
              "In Denmark, you can quickly and without start-up capital register your own company, having only 1 kroon (9 rubles), while it is exempt from paying taxes until its working capital exceeds 50 thousand kroons (about 500 thousand rubles).
              A company can be registered online within 15 minutes by submitting an electronic application and filling out all the necessary documents. Thanks to this initiative, 2016 new startups were registered in 12. "- how do you imagine that evil representatives of the State Department held a conversation with everyone and banned something? Aren't you funny yourself?

              “Denmark is among the ten most innovative countries in the world, according to the annual report published by the World Intellectual Property Organization entitled“ Global Innovation Index. ”During the preparation of the ranking, 79 different indicators were used in such categories as“ government institutions ”,“ human capital ” , "Infrastructure" and so on. According to the ranking, Denmark is ranked 10th in the list of the most innovative countries in the world. "
              Of course, one can argue with such an assessment, but now "high-tech" is determined not only by "hardware". And maybe not so much.
            2. +3
              28 July 2020 22: 38
              Quote: NEOZ
              complete loss of sovereignty

              Forgive me what century do you live in? at 21 or at 17? Why does Denmark need an army? She has been living quietly for the last 75 years. What is bad with her education? By the way, our banking system is also subordinated to the ICF and the USA. All banks report on cash flows, transmit information about legal entities and individuals individuals, all transactions go through foreign servers
      2. +1
        28 July 2020 20: 28
        This happy country has a fat tax belay -15 CZK per kg of fat contained in the product (for physicists who buy the product in the store!) And the tax on athletes involved in sports 160 CZK under 60 and 25 after 60.
        Plus favorite - VAT and excise taxes
        This is offhand, to those 50% of direct income tax ...
        They are happy - from the fact that they are left at least something, at least a little ...
        1. +1
          28 July 2020 22: 46
          Quote: your1970
          160 CZK under 60 and 25 after 60.

          Per year or per month? Yes, let them have taxes of 50%:
          The Danish Kingdom is a state with an economy built on the provision of social spheres of life of citizens. High-quality education and a well-functioning health care system require large investments in the federal and municipal budgets.
          Taxes in Denmark, in comparison with other countries, result in very large amounts, but this is only due to the high levels of income of the population and favorable living conditions. It should be noted that Danes have a deep sense of civic responsibility, which is explained by their attitude to the fair deduction of necessary payments
          Striving for a healthier nation, resulted in a 2018 tax on sugar, fat and ice cream in Denmark

          Would you like to introduce a tax on palm oil?
          1. 0
            29 July 2020 03: 08
            Quote: Pilat2009
            Would you like to introduce a tax on palm oil?

            Want!!!! Only Trouble is, its population pays, not the manufacturer ...
            Quote: Pilat2009
            It should be noted that Danes have a deep sense of civic responsibility, which is explained by their attitude to the fair deduction of necessary payments

            Let's assume that our average salary is 100 (at current prices, this is important !!)
            Are you sure that our population will happily - having paid taxes in the amount of 75-80 ??? !!!
            1. 0
              29 July 2020 08: 37
              Incorrect ratio, with the average income of Danes in the region of 5000 euros, this is under 400000 rubles before taxes. Personal income tax up to 50%, i.e. up to 200 tr. Lot.
              OUR population will definitely not be happy)))
              But the Danes apparently have a different attitude and level of trust in the state. If I were sure that the taxes paid are for the benefit, and not for companies and individuals close to the budget, I would also be more loyal.
              1. +1
                29 July 2020 11: 53
                1) Personal income tax in Denmark - not TO, but FROM 50% and plus a progressive scale
                2) our tax collects 20% of the budget.
                Our population does not pay taxes. For example, individuals pay tax on transport only 67%, real estate tax 78%, personal income tax -....... wave your hand without looking.

                3)
                Quote: unaha
                I can be sure that the taxes paid are good
                - taxes in Denmark are paid without reasoning or discussing !!!!!!
                And we have - "yes I am, yes probably, yes maybe,"
    2. -1
      28 July 2020 12: 45
      talk that Denmark is this way embodies their interests, also does not go

      What are theirs ??
      Let's say he gets a penny / contract for this instead of sanctions from the States .. so that the Danes live better .. Whose interest is it considered ??
      And if she allowed to pull the pipe .. to please us .. would they say that she is a prostitute again ?? So in any case she had to choose - to pull or not to pull .. And they just chose what was in their interests !!
      Or "their interests" are when pipes are pulled / sawed for the sake of the profit of several confidants, and the rest of the people - sanctions and slogans about "we are together" ??
      1. -3
        28 July 2020 14: 36
        Quote: Roman123567
        And if she let the pipe be pulled ...

        you do not know the question well.
        Denmark cannot prohibit pulling the pipe, but can suspend it under a formal (justified) pretext.
        by suspending, Denmark does not receive any benefits - accordingly, it does not work in its own interests.
        when allowing, acts in accordance with international rules for the passage of cargo ships.
  12. +9
    28 July 2020 10: 42
    Structures associated with Gazprom bought out the last major contractor of the monopoly, Stroytransneftegaz, from Gennady Timchenko, Alexey Mityushov and their partners. The deal was closed back in May, its amount is unknown. Stroytransneftegaz is Gazprom's second largest contractor after Stroygazmontazh, which the monopoly structures acquired from Arkady Rotenberg at the end of 2019. https://t.me/papagaz/6844
    That is to say, the organizations that were left without work are also bought out by the dying Gazprom from respected people. And all Gazprom's losses, as usual, will be covered by the budget
    No one has got gas prices up there since August 1, no?
    fellow
    1. +3
      28 July 2020 13: 40
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Structures associated with Gazprom bought out the last major contractor of the monopoly, Stroytransneftegaz, from Gennady Timchenko, Alexey Mityushov and their partners. The deal was closed back in May, its amount is unknown. Stroytransneftegaz is Gazprom's second largest contractor after Stroygazmontazh, which the monopoly structures acquired from Arkady Rotenberg at the end of 2019. https://t.me/papagaz/6844
      That is to say, the organizations that were left without work are also bought out by the dying Gazprom from respected people. And all Gazprom's losses, as usual, will be covered by the budget
      No one has got gas prices up there since August 1, no?
      fellow
      and buys more expensive than sold
    2. -6
      28 July 2020 14: 37
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      And all Gazprom's losses, as usual, will be covered by the budget

      Do you know how the budget is formed? and how much Gazprom's money is in it ...
  13. +4
    28 July 2020 10: 44
    Quote: Balu
    Does Miller not have a very large salary with such achievements? Why is the salary of an ordinary Gazprom employee 20-30 thousand rubles, while the managers get the same amount per day, or even per hour? Isn't this the reason for the ineffectiveness of the managers. What's the difference, the state will give money anyway.

    Don't you guess? Because all their people go to the menageries! These are Putin's friends, their children, sons, godfathers and people they just need! And they will all receive a million dollars an hour like the Millers Sechins, Rotenbergs, Timchenkos ... And their losses for ... th, they are always in chocolate! That is why winners live in poverty! And the defeated over there Europe all lives and rejoices looking at us fools ...
    1. -13
      28 July 2020 11: 07
      Envy silently!
      1. +8
        28 July 2020 12: 36
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Envy silently!

        Will the next comment be "Shut up and die"? wink
    2. -8
      28 July 2020 14: 38
      Quote: vit670
      Don't you guess? Because all their people go to the menageries!

      and you wanted people to be yours?
    3. +1
      28 July 2020 20: 42
      Quote: vit670
      That is why winners live in poverty! And the defeated over there Europe all lives and rejoices looking at us fools ...

      Of the vanquished lived better than us already in 60s - under the USSR...
      Was it Miller / Sechin too?
  14. -14
    28 July 2020 10: 47
    Did the author decide to become a multi-user? Maybe for some reason he burns, like Makarevich, for example? )))
    It is interesting to see how he has recently thrown himself into topics that he is not very aware of, but where you can throw it on the fan.
    1. +11
      28 July 2020 11: 13
      Quote: Tagan
      Did the author decide to become a multi-user?

      The author raises uncomfortable questions, more precisely, uncomfortable for putriots.
      Quote: Tagan
      Maybe for some reason he burns, like Makarevich, for example? )))

      His articles make the Putriots really burn, don't you agree?
      Quote: Tagan
      It is interesting to watch how he has lately thrown himself into topics that he is not very aware of.

      You don't need to be a Hasprom accountant or an auditor of the Accounts Chamber not to be able to analyze all these sawing construction projects of the century. All the main figures for them are publicly available. A fifth-grader can also compare them with current gas prices and calculate the payback period.
      1. -5
        28 July 2020 14: 43
        Quote: mdsr
        The author raises uncomfortable questions, more precisely, uncomfortable for putriots.

        what questions? why are they not convenient? ... the reasons for the construction of gas pipelines are clear, difficulties in implementation too .... no questions ... only the Ukrainians have questions - will they have transit?
      2. -4
        28 July 2020 14: 44
        Quote: mdsr
        His articles make the Putriots really burn, don't you agree?

        may burn from the comments of Ukrainians who pretend to be Russian.
      3. -6
        28 July 2020 14: 48
        Quote: mdsr
        You don't need to be a Hasprom accountant or an auditor of the Accounts Chamber not to be able to analyze all these sawn construction projects of the century.

        you talk like a Chubais whose 30 million did not fit into the market.
    2. 0
      28 July 2020 11: 23
      Burns up at you, my dear. And essentially you have nothing to argue.
    3. -3
      28 July 2020 14: 39
      Quote: Tagan
      Did the author decide to become a multi-user?

      Ukrainian experts ... they are
  15. -2
    28 July 2020 10: 52
    Calculator, your way out!
    Nord Stream 2 - $ 10 billion, or 700 billion rubles.
    Turkish Stream - $ 20 billion, or 1,4 trillion rubles.
    Power of Siberia - $ 55 billion, or 3,85 trillion rubles.
    Power of Siberia-2 - $ 21 billion, or 1,5 trillion rubles.
    Total entertainment with empty pipes will cost the Russian taxpayer $ 106 billion, or 7,45 trillion rubles.

    It is immediately clear that the author of the article, as an experienced thimbler, snatches out those numbers that do not explain anything to a common man in the street and begins to manipulate them. In this case, he summed up all the long-term costs of Gazprom for the construction of various gas pipelines, but forgot to indicate what kind of net profit Gazprom received in the same period. In order not to tire readers too much, here are the official statistics on income for 2017 alone:
    In 2017, the gas holding's revenues from gas exports amounted to $ 38,147 billion. It is reported by Rambler.
    Further: https://finance.rambler.ru/realty/41681560/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
    In 2018, they increased even more:
    Gazprom's revenues from gas exports in 2018 grew by 28,8%. It is reported by Rambler.
    Further: https://finance.rambler.ru/realty/41681560/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
    Even if one third of these revenues are used for the construction of new gas pipelines, it is easy to calculate that in eight years of operation of the existing transport system, all construction costs will be paid off. But Skomorokhov, of course, does not want to see this, he looks more like a propagandist in his reasoning.
    1. -4
      28 July 2020 11: 17
      Income without development costs is not very long !!! It turns out this way according to any laws.
      Periods are different, this is also not news, the whole history of the development of society, states, industry reminds of this.
      1. +13
        28 July 2020 12: 15
        Words that explain everything:
        1. +2
          28 July 2020 12: 28
          Are you sure that Matvienko said exactly that?
          The very principle, the understanding of what and to whom belongs to the state, what and how to do, who and for what should be responsible ... this is understandable. Only I am a principled opponent of THIS SYSTEM, and I evaluate its servants objectively, according to their deeds. My balance is almost always negative in their direction.
          Britain has its own SYSTEM, essentially the same as ours today ... with its own rules, laws and laws. Let their own citizens talk about it.
          1. -1
            28 July 2020 14: 17
            Quote: rocket757
            Are you sure that Matvienko said exactly that?

            Matvienko may not say something, for example, call the citizens of his country trolls and she will not get anything for it. feel
            1. +1
              28 July 2020 14: 39
              When / if he says, then there will be something to talk about. Facts.
              1. -2
                28 July 2020 14: 44
                Quote: rocket757
                Data.

                During a public discussion of the concept of the draft law on the prevention of domestic violence, the website of the Federation Council was subjected to "massive occupation" by opponents of this initiative, said the speaker of the Federation Council Valentina Matvienko.

                She spoke about this at a press conference following the autumn session of the Federation Council.

                “We are faced with an organized campaign. We were just trolled... The direction of comments, suggestions, or complete denial of the law was written in carbon copy. It was clear that this was an organized campaign. This is an attempt to manipulate public opinion, ”Matvienko said.

                According to her, this was done by unscrupulous citizens, imposing their point of view through the "massive occupation of the Federation Council website."

                The Speaker of the Federation Council noted that the working group is currently analyzing all received messages. “All proposals that are constructive from a legal point of view will be taken into account,” the chairwoman said.

                Matvienko said that the proposal to discuss the concept of the law "shook the society" and, according to polls, 70% support the need for such a law.

                “This obliges us to fulfill this public demand. The discussion will continue for a long time, ”said the speaker of the Federation Council.

                At the same time, she added that now the legislation has enough measures to regulate more serious crimes.

                “They punish for already committed grave deeds, we want to make preventive measures so as not to allow such facts to happen,” Matvienko said.

                1. +2
                  28 July 2020 15: 24
                  And what do you want to show that "our servants of the people" serve those to whom they really are servants, and not the people of OUR COUNTRY?
                  If I understood you correctly.
                  So I always write about this and do not hide my attitude to this SYSTEM, never in anything. I am a Soviet man, this system, with all its ... attributes, will never be mine for me.
                  So what did you want ... to say?
                  After all, I wanted to hear confirmation of what was WRITTEN, and not wagging in a topic that I have long understood.
                  We have capitalism, they are the ruling class. This state serves their interests, with all the consequences for the rest of the population.
                  1. 0
                    28 July 2020 15: 39
                    Quote: rocket757
                    if I understood you correctly.

                    I do not know this. For me, as they call me here, a zaputintsy, an oligarch, an individual living in Lvov, a hurray-patriot, a fascist, x about xl (and who else they called me), it is difficult to understand many members of the forum. They drown behind the base in Armenia and are silent when they remove the monument to Russian soldiers in Sochi. How do you understand? They asked for a fact about Matvienko, provided the fact. And what did you understand, I do not know.
                    1. -1
                      28 July 2020 15: 47
                      I asked to clarify, to show when she called the state, the sovereign!
                      If there is lies in the little things, it is already interesting for me. They will lie in little, wait for the truth is no longer worth it. Like this.
                      Verbal balancing act is interesting to a very peculiar contingent, i.e. not to us.
                      About "our" officials and others, I have my own established opinion and there is no reason to change it.
                      1. +2
                        28 July 2020 17: 19
                        June 2018 Then she said so https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3662861
                      2. 0
                        28 July 2020 17: 39
                        That's right. There is such a phrase.
                        We will not argue about the meaning, because THIS power is not my own, I do not expect anything good from them.
      2. -7
        28 July 2020 14: 47
        Quote: rocket757
        Income without development costs is not very long !!! It turns out this way according to any laws.

        How then is it "legal" to explain that we have been supplying gas through pipes laid back in 47 for 1973 years, and still make a profit:
        The first Soviet gas came to Germany in 1973 [16], which turned out to be very timely due to the onset of the world oil crisis.



        Quote: rocket757
        Periods are different, this is also not news, the whole history of the development of society, states, industry reminds of this.

        Now there is also a crisis, but our founders of Marxism-Leninism warned about their cyclical nature, so I see no reason to think that everyone in Europe will refuse gas. At least not in the next twenty years - that's for sure.
        1. -2
          28 July 2020 15: 37
          I do not understand! He specifically pointed out that DEVELOPMENT costs are needed ... everything seems to be clear. Gas, oil is pumped, sold because Development has been going on throughout all the previous years and continues now! What's not clear here. It was necessary to paint exactly WHAT?
          Quote: ccsr
          I see no reason to think that everyone will refuse gas in Europe. At least not in the next twenty years - that's for sure.

          They will not refuse until it is possible to replace many industries, technologies, which I cannot do without using natural gas.
          The question is not in the various frantic Gretas, there is nothing to effectively replace. You can move it at the expense of other suppliers, but it's expensive, that's the whole story.
  16. +3
    28 July 2020 10: 52
    A country whose area is less than the territory of many regions of the same center of Russia (not even talking about large territories in the east)

    So Greenland is part of Denmark and the largest island in the world. Only the area of ​​this island alone is almost equal to the area of ​​the Krasnoyarsk Territory, the second largest constituent entity of the Russian Federation
    1. -1
      28 July 2020 12: 31
      "So Greenland is part of Denmark and the largest island in the world. Only the area of ​​this island alone is almost equal to the area of ​​the Krasnoyarsk Territory, the second largest constituent entity of the Russian Federation" - it is an autonomous country within the Danish kingdom, with a population of 56 thousand for the entire island. And gradually advancing towards independence.
  17. -1
    28 July 2020 10: 53
    After all, people will work. People will make money. Good people. Millers, Rotenbergs, Timchens

    The author - you would at least ask - Arkady Rotenberg got rid of his construction asset "Stroygazmontazh" in December 2019.

    You need to study the news deeper before writing the gag:
    The main contractor of Gazprom, Stroygazmontazh, has changed its owner. According to unofficial data, Arkady Rotenberg sold it for about 75 billion rubles. the structure of Gazprombank and the Gazprom monopoly, which unites its construction assets.

    Stroygazmontazh was established in 2008 on the basis of five assets (Lengazspetsstroy, Krasnodargazstroy, Spetsgazremstroy, Volgogradneftemash and Volgogaz)

    I'm not Rotenberg's lawyer - but you don't write nonsense.
  18. +10
    28 July 2020 10: 54
    Thanks a lot to the author for the material. Although, of course, it becomes sad when reading such articles. But on TV all day and night an epic advertisement about "The Power of Water, the Power of the Earth, the Power of Siberia" ...

    Oh, if we could count all these trillions spent in tanks, planes, helicopters and ships, for which there is always not enough money ... Or even better, in factories ... But it’s better not to count, otherwise it will become completely sad.
    1. -8
      28 July 2020 11: 09
      Quote: Anton Temnukhin
      But it is better not to count, otherwise it will become completely sad.

      Do not be sad, Anton, otherwise life will rush by (in despondency)
      Summer, good weather, cherry, fresh compote, beach, village, sofa with a cat, football starts soon - you see how many little joys in life.
      1. 0
        28 July 2020 11: 23
        At the expense of imminent joys, is that still a question ??? The virus, however, can throw some more pod!
        But at the expense of the sun, the village and the sofa, this is of course, this is a joy ... but what about work? Not everyone is lucky to lie on the couch and, moreover, have a job, acc. get paid.
        It will have to go through ... although, where did ours not disappear? Let's break through!
        1. -3
          28 July 2020 11: 28
          Quote: rocket757
          The virus, however, can throw some more pod!

          Moreover, you need to take advantage of the moment, while it is there, you can pet the cat on the couch on weekends or after work.
          1. 0
            28 July 2020 11: 38
            He's such a cat ... shot. He wants to eat every day. We'll have to transfer it from "salmon in its own juice" to carp caught in a local pond!
            1. +1
              28 July 2020 11: 40
              Quote: rocket757
              He is such a cat ... frame

              A person is weak, but that's okay, it happens to everyone.
              The main thing is to humble pride.
    2. -3
      28 July 2020 11: 31
      Quote: Anton Temnukhin
      But on TV all day and night an epic advertisement about "The Power of Water, the Power of the Earth, the Power of Siberia" ...

      It's good for you to retire, around the clock. feel
      1. +1
        28 July 2020 11: 39
        Ha, it depends on WHAT pension. If it's personal, then it's not bad, but if ...
    3. +2
      28 July 2020 13: 50
      an epic advertisement about "Power of water, power of earth, power of Siberia" ...
      - "Gazprom dreams come true" ...
    4. +1
      28 July 2020 18: 02
      Fraud is that. in which the current political elite has achieved the highest results. Fraud fills the entire "vertical of power" and management with content. Some people who are unable to master this science are punctured on "macaroshkas", but on the whole the selection of eyewitchers is stable.
  19. +6
    28 July 2020 10: 56
    On the one hand, it seems to be insulting for the State, but looking at Miller's face, for some reason, there is a feeling of gloating.
  20. +1
    28 July 2020 10: 59
    Quote: pytar
    One of the few obyektivnye statues in the Russian-net, respect to the author! hi
    The GDP strategy of an "energy superpower" has failed by all 120%! The author correctly noted that the propaganda in rus-media presents a completely distorted picture of what happened! We expect a flurry of negative comments and drawbacks from the side of the pro-Gazprovom forum users! bully

    This is purely your opinion (about objectivity). Are you a great expert in this matter? Tell whose propaganda presents an undistorted picture. Maybe ukrosmi?
    1. -1
      28 July 2020 12: 49
      whose propaganda presents an undistorted picture.

      Draw..
      Which does not justify our propaganda in any way ..
  21. -2
    28 July 2020 11: 02
    Quote: Sether
    And besides gas and oil, we have nothing to sell ...

    You?
    1. +2
      28 July 2020 11: 27
      "Comrade" is not from here, if not physically, then by nature.
      Gas, oil, our EVERYTHING, but not really, as it turned out.
      The country is like that, there are a lot of things in it.
      If we have a mess, then it is also great, but there is much more to everything else !!! And especially OUR PEOPLE. Great always, everywhere, in everything.
    2. -2
      28 July 2020 11: 29
      And you, in fact, too. It is unlikely that you trade in timber, minerals, gold
    3. +1
      28 July 2020 11: 33
      Quote: Tagan
      You?

      And I laughed! laughing
  22. -4
    28 July 2020 11: 21
    Again this "analyst" from the Voronezh province.) They say that he is an influential figure on this resource.
    1. +1
      28 July 2020 19: 57
      Yes, that's why the author has some rogue in his Voronezh region, everything falls apart and dies - and then suddenly
  23. 0
    28 July 2020 11: 23
    By the 30th year, the Netherlands closes its Gronigen gas field. In 2016, Germany received 31% of all imported gas from there. Americans want to pump in their low-quality and expensive LNG, thus making the cost of German industrial products even more expensive (in fact, removing a competitor). It is clear that German business will try to prevent this. Germany really needs the Nord Stream, otherwise the industry will simply bend. And Denmark, by the way, can take good revenge on the United States because of their attempts to squeeze Greenland. As for the Power of Siberia, there is also a long-term contract with China for a huge amount of money and gas. At the expense of Russia there can not be left in any way - deposits above the roof. As for the Turkish Stream, we'll see. Austria also really wants Russian gas - if the Turks do not take it away (here I do not know if there is an agreement with the Turks like "take or pay"), then the Austrians will tear it off with hands and feet. By the way, during the construction of the gas transmission system, Russia was far from the only investor.

    The problem is that Russia will live without Germany, will continue to build cars, factories, nuclear power plants, launch rockets into space, etc., but somehow Germany would not become an agrarian "power" without Russia.
    1. -2
      28 July 2020 11: 57
      Quote: From Germany
      The problem is that Russia will live without Germany, will continue to build cars, factories, nuclear power plants, launch rockets into space, etc., but somehow Germany would not become an agrarian "power" without Russia.

      One US citizen (they say) once expressed the idea that by stopping the supply of hydrocarbons to Europe, Russia would "collapse" the European economy. I forgot his name, unfortunately. request
    2. 0
      28 July 2020 13: 00
      Quote: From Germany
      As for the Turkish Stream, we'll see. Austria also really wants Russian gas

      Austria wants gas, including in order to transport it to Italy ... In addition to the Turkish stream, TONAP also came to Turkey from Azerbaijan, the main consumer of which is Italy (10 billion out of 16 billion) and here it is not possible to load this too. .....
      ! The Trans-Anatolian Gas Pipeline (TAP) was allowed to postpone the start of gas to Italy for a year - until the end of 2021 ... TAP head of foreign affairs Vugar Veisalov “The project has faced several obstacles that are outside of its control. These are mainly regulatory obstacles, strict safety requirements, suspension of construction due to litigation, unpredictable geotechnical and natural events and the consequences of Covid-19 "
      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/07/15/konkurentu-tureckogo-potoka-razreshili-otlozhit-pusk-gaza-v-evropu-na-god
  24. 0
    28 July 2020 11: 25
    It is a pity that Putin is neither dream nor spirit about this ...
    1. 0
      28 July 2020 11: 30
      It's not the main thing for him
  25. +9
    28 July 2020 11: 30
    My friend from Krasnodar lives in his house, but he heats it up with anything. When with electricity, when with solid fuel. He does not even dream of gas, because bring a pipe into the house from the highway, which, within sight, will cost him more than 300 tr. This is if we talk about the official part of the payment. And if you want to speed up the process, go through the acceptance, then throw more bablish here.
    1. +6
      28 July 2020 12: 41
      Quote: 7,62x54
      My friend from Krasnodar

      My friend is the same in Krasnodar, he drowns with electricity.
  26. +4
    28 July 2020 11: 32
    Quote: Sergej1972
    I don't like either homosexuals or Vlasov's Klimov.

    no gazpröm, no miller and rotenberg.
  27. +7
    28 July 2020 11: 32
    A few words about "construction of useless pipelines" (according to the author).

    The construction of a pipeline implies a certain payback period - this is 10-15-20 years, depending on the calculation of the project economics, like any industrial facility.

    The demand for resources (in this case, gas) fluctuates seasonally and, depending on the supply, is well known.
    Both an optimistic scenario and a pessimistic one are included in the project - the payback periods are shifted accordingly.

    What does the pipeline give in terms of the economy?
    - pipes, valves, compressor - i.e. the domestic capacities connected with the redistribution of metal are loaded - each of the redistributions, these are taxes to the budget, these are the salaries of workers, this is the turnover of money

    - construction machines (pipelayers, excavators, self-propelled welding units, shot-blasting complexes, dump trucks for filling gates in swamps, etc.) - yes, most of the equipment is imported, since domestic equipment is not famous for its reliability, and it is necessary to hand over the plots on time, but there are many domestic ones.
    In this regard, the offshore pipelayer is the worst option, since the money goes abroad, in contrast to construction on its territory, where most of the money will be repeatedly turned into taxes (property, VAT, income tax).
    Again, builders receive salaries and pay 13% of personal income tax (PIT), and 42% from the salary fund per legal entity - we also do not forget.

    The author naively believes that one company is able to build the power of siberia?
    In fact, the gene contractor is not able to cope with the entire volume of construction, he takes the simplest (in terms of technology and topology) pieces of the pipeline for himself, the rest is "distributed" for subcontracting to dozens of smaller companies who are ready to work for a fraction of the time to survive ...

    That is, the construction of the pipeline also revives the metallurgical redistribution along the chain from the mine to the TPZ, mechanical engineering, and logistics chains.
    This brings tax refunds to the budget.

    The turnover of funds is the most important incentive for any state in large infrastructure projects.
    He did not give money - they lie dead weight on the accounts, he gave money, this set in motion the industry, which created the added value of the goods and paid additional taxes on this added value - as a result, construction - brings up to 75% of taxes to the budget - of course, when they plunder - far less. But this is not a "Vostochny cosmodrome" - you cannot afford to freeze on the construction of pipelines - Gazprom's requirements for contractors are tough both in terms of quality and timing.

    The main thing is to track the effectiveness of spending budget funds, well, here's a question for other bodies.


    In general, the conditions in which the pipelines are laid cannot be called "resort", up to minus 40-42 degrees, the guys work.
    1. -2
      28 July 2020 13: 38
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      What does the pipeline give in terms of the economy?

      You are asking the right question. But the answer is paradoxical. The author is not drowning for an efficient economy, but is trying to expose the entire management system in modern Russia to be untalented and thieving. That's all. He does not care how the gas is produced, how it is transported, how the funds involved are turned around. According to him
      All these epoch-making construction projects, just like in Soviet times, cause a feeling of bewilderment.

      All these "bewilders" today make up 40% of the country's budget. Someone wants the oil and gas industry to make an equal contribution to the country's welfare tomorrow. But there is "someone's" opinion that this is bad. Here is the novel and instills this opinion in the heads of readers. Whether Roman himself believes in all this is irrelevant. The very fact of striving to destroy what is still working is important.
  28. -2
    28 July 2020 11: 33
    There are two types of people: managers, who have the will and ability to control processes and destinies, and there are ordinary people, led, entrusting their destinies to the first.
    Among the latter, of course, there are outstanding scientists, people who know how to live with numbers. (Let's call them Professors). They, yes, have academic knowledge and know what to do.
    ..
    Professors see everything and understand everything, and they shout, criticize, criticize .. they are confident in their knowledge. But let them run any more or less serious organization, they will "drown" this organization, more management is not only numbers and knowledge of the current state of affairs ..
    ..
    In short, thanks to the author for the work, but not everything is so simple.
    ........
    Sorry, but it doesn't always work to be short.
    1. -7
      28 July 2020 11: 57
      As I already wrote here, the people on the territory of the USSR all 100 years after the October Revolution are divided into Soviet and anti-Soviet. The Soviet people did EVERYTHING better than the Russian people did before the October Revolution, and the anti-Soviet people for all these 100 years have emanated anger, hatred, maniacal criticism against what the Soviet people did, but they themselves do not know and do not know how to do well for their own country and people.
      1. -1
        28 July 2020 12: 03
        Quote: tatra
        The Soviet people did EVERYTHING better

        Quote: tatra
        what did the Russian people do before the October Revolution

        Quote: tatra
        , and the anti-Soviet people all these 100 years have emanated anger.

        Quote: tatra
        against what the Soviet people did,

        Quote: tatra
        but ITSELF neither knows nor knows how to do well for his country and people.

        This is a masterpiece set of phrases! fellow wassat
  29. +2
    28 July 2020 11: 47
    Article - Mriya non-brothers.
  30. +11
    28 July 2020 12: 05
    The article is funny, I want to cry. One involuntarily comes to the conclusion that the task of the authorities is to destroy Russia before that by snatching everything that is possible from it. The project of the collapse of the USSR is being repeated, only for Russia. And it is not the liberals who are destroying it, but the government, which is trying to bring the people to a state of revolution. You think in vain all the children of the elite abroad, and relatives at the first nix will rush there, led by the one who deprived us of our pensions.
    1. -3
      28 July 2020 12: 30
      Quote: Alex66
      One involuntarily comes to the conclusion that the task of the authorities is to destroy Russia before that by snatching everything that is possible from it. The project of the collapse of the USSR is being repeated, only for Russia.

      There is one "problem" you have. Yeltsin has already given such an opportunity -
      "Take as much sovereignty as you can swallow."

      Rossel has already printed "francs" for the "Ural Republic".
      Why stop this, build up the armed forces, annex Crimea?
      Something does not fit with you. feel
      1. +5
        28 July 2020 13: 43
        No, under Yeltsin, they thought that they were entering as equal partners of England, France, the United States, and then BAC and Yugoslavia and the trial in The Hague over Milosevic, here they realized that brigades were needed to protect the people who had been wrested from the people from Western partners and from the people, suddenly he woke up and wants to return. So there is a settling of security officials, propagandists, officials and the robbery of the people continues, the billionaires are not touched.
        1. -2
          28 July 2020 14: 39
          Quote: Alex66
          No, under Yeltsin, they thought that they were entering as equal partners of England, France, the United States, and then BAC and Yugoslavia and the trial in The Hague over Milosevic, here they realized that brigades were needed to protect the people who had been squeezed out of them from Western partners and from the people, suddenly he woke up and wants to return.

          So-so theory.
          Quote: Alex66
          the robbery of the people continues, the billionaires are not touched.

          And in which country are they touched? Curious. feel
          1. +3
            28 July 2020 15: 27
            But I saw no arguments against the theory. Billionaires are touched where the power does not belong to them.
            1. 0
              28 July 2020 15: 54
              Quote: Alex66
              Billionaires are touched where the power does not belong to them.

              Where?
              1. 0
                29 July 2020 07: 37
                I don't even know where the power does not belong to the billionaires, it seems they control power everywhere, in Russia that is for sure (they do not introduce a progressive tax), maybe China, there I heard they are sometimes shot.
                1. -1
                  29 July 2020 07: 54
                  Quote: Alex66
                  I don't even know where the billionaires do not own power, they seem to control power everywhere,

                  Here.
                  Quote: Alex66
                  maybe China, there I heard they are sometimes shot.

                  For a long time there are a lot of rich people ..
    2. +6
      28 July 2020 13: 47
      And it is not the liberals who destroy it, but the government, which is trying to bring the people to a state of revolution
      .... And who is in power? Socialists or something ... laughing GDP and its entourage somehow do not pull on S. Allende. smile Yes, you have noticed with what talented people VVP brought life together - whoever you look at, all are now successful entrepreneurs and business tycoons.
  31. -1
    28 July 2020 12: 10
    Quote: bober1982
    It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.

    I suppose that in "respect" to Denmark is sarcasm. "Sarcasm? - No, you haven't heard!"
  32. +2
    28 July 2020 12: 14
    As always - bravo for a quality article !!
    Short, informative, not boring, and to the point.
  33. +8
    28 July 2020 12: 35
    The author did not count everything. And the cut? Let's take 106% from 30 billion (some say 40, maybe), here's 32 billion dollars grabbed by officials, executives, various roofs, the state is understandable, given that Gazprom. So these will not worry about the money spent, they learned it.
    In general, of course, political mistakes are at the core and for a long time. And the lost Ukraine, and the position of open confrontation with the United States, and inadequate assessment of the prospects for hydrocarbon resources. The phrase at some international forum in the 10s like "... there will be no more cheap oil ..." turned out to be very erroneous. Then, someday, prices will rise, but when and how much. It is high time to get off the oil needle in politics as well, but the authorities seem to have lost the edge of reality, they live in their own world. For such "efficiency" of work in a normal country, not only would the authorities be deprived of, but also sent to jail. But in official Russia this is recognized as another victory.
  34. +1
    28 July 2020 12: 44
    Total entertainment with empty pipes will cost the Russian taxpayer $ 106 billion, or 7,45 trillion rubles.

    It's just impossible to comment ........ it turns out solid *******************! And it seems that instead of debriefing and conclusions will be like in Utesov's song - all is well, all is well!
  35. -5
    28 July 2020 12: 50
    Quote: bober1982
    It is not clear why the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals

    And what do you think? bully
  36. 0
    28 July 2020 12: 50
    Quote: unaha
    For a consistently high standard of living of citizens in the absence of special natural resources, no?
    Nor does it deserve it: “Denmark turns out to be the happiest country in the world, according to a UN study. One of its main findings in the current World Happiness Report is that countries with lower levels of social inequality are generally happier.
    The top five, apart from Denmark, included Switzerland. Iceland, Norway and Finland. All these countries have well-developed social security systems. "?

    Denmark knows. And that's it. I would have looked at what this situational "happiness" would have become if Denmark had announced some kind of independent agenda. And so you have to wave. Otherwise, happiness will not be seen.
  37. +3
    28 July 2020 12: 54
    Quote: Harry Cuper
    Burns up at you, my dear. And essentially you have nothing to argue.

    There would be an essence. Or by this very essence they wanted to say something besides in the style of "you yourself ... k"?
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  39. +3
    28 July 2020 13: 01
    Quote: Harry Cuper
    And you, in fact, too. It is unlikely that you trade in timber, minerals, gold

    You don't have to trade timber to ask a question of interest, right?
  40. +1
    28 July 2020 13: 15
    Quote: mdsr
    Quote: Tagan
    Did the author decide to become a multi-user?

    The author raises uncomfortable questions, more precisely, uncomfortable for putriots.
    Quote: Tagan
    Maybe for some reason he burns, like Makarevich, for example? )))

    His articles make the Putriots really burn, don't you agree?
    Quote: Tagan
    It is interesting to watch how he has lately thrown himself into topics that he is not very aware of.

    You don't need to be a Hasprom accountant or an auditor of the Accounts Chamber not to be able to analyze all these sawing construction projects of the century. All the main figures for them are publicly available. A fifth-grader can also compare them with current gas prices and calculate the payback period.

    Yes, yes, we have already heard this from the series "every cook can rule the state". A fifth-grader, respectively, an economist, like two fingers on the asphalt.)))
  41. +2
    28 July 2020 13: 20
    Total entertainment with empty pipes will cost the Russian taxpayer $ 106 billion, or 7,45 trillion rubles.

    Roman, could you show in the budget list for 2020 or in another year the articles of financing someone's "flow" from the state budget? I would like to remind you that "A journalist must:
    ...
    - Check the accuracy of information coming from any source and avoid unintended errors. Intentional distortion of facts is unacceptable under any circumstances ..... "(DECLARATION OF PRINCIPLES OF CONDUCT OF JOURNALISTS
    Adopted at the Second World Congress of the International Federation of Journalists in Bordeaux, April 25-28, 1954; amended at the XVIII IFJ World Congress in Helsinki, June 2-6, 1986.)
    1. +1
      28 July 2020 19: 50
      He has all the information sucked out of his finger, seasoned with any jaundice. The article has nothing in common with reality. So the impulse of delirium for one day - well, as always in Skomorokhov's articles.
  42. +2
    28 July 2020 13: 34
    Quote: pytar
    And they already have no tomatoes

    Ha, ha !!! Just at the moment I am having a snack with delicious Bulgarian tomatoes, cucumbers, onions and feta cheese! Best in the world! Shopska salad is called!

    Did you think to surprise someone here? According to your nepolzhivny media, we probably eat up the last hedgehog.
    Appreciate that Russia is condescending towards you at the moment, despite not very friendly steps on your part.
    Otherwise we'll see what salads the Turks will offer you.
  43. -1
    28 July 2020 13: 39
    The author is great. Cool in judgments and smart words. How is it, "monopsony"? Simple, great. Two questions plague me. Well it turns out "Gazprom" and a whole legion of those associated with them simply suffer from idiocy? They pull gas pipelines to foreign borders without asking whether gas is needed there or not. And what is interesting is this gas swing with a price and volume "live" for more than a dozen years, but these, well, ours, who are just like crazy, do not insure the price in the contract, nor the volumes as if they heard about gas yesterday. well, purely for the sake of a signature. And what is interesting is that for "camouflage" they are sculpting international kosorsyums, which means covering up with this "international" fig leaf like joint investments that only our people's money from the PFR budgets and from our pockets got it. Well, after all, scoundrels and in one bottle. The most interesting thing is that it would be okay for ours (well, it's a familiar thing with ours). Well, they would have pulled to the border and poured into the void. At the same time, they also convinced people on the other side of the border who, as it turns out, do not need gas at all, to dig their own soil, bury pipes in it, install pumping stations, well, in short, they fuss heartily, and for their own money. Well, look what's going on! Just a theater of mutual absurdity. Well, American LNG. 300% growth! Wow! And from what volume? And what about real deliveries or contracts? Well, then you can walk through the rest of the numbers ... But is there any sense? It makes no sense, not about that article ... Again.
  44. +4
    28 July 2020 13: 40
    Russia is on the right path, everything will be fine, we were told about this a long time ago, about 30 years ago, and we'll get there a little bit ... laughing
    1. +6
      28 July 2020 15: 43
      Well, yes, a couple of generations are so expensive and in the place of Russia continuous Central Asia is formed ...
  45. -6
    28 July 2020 13: 44
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Harry Cuper
    But in fact, dear, have something to say?

    They basically can't, weaklings. They immediately begin to discuss the opponent, but not the essence. So you don’t need to strain Mosk, put a stamp, and well done. A stereotyped commentary by a trolley worker.

    In fact, the author took and examined the process in statics. And in statics, processes can be considered either out of stupidity or on request. The author does not seem stupid. So why doesn't he view the process in dynamics? There are many examples - game theory (chess, poker ...) Fighting duel - when action and reaction and again action ...
  46. +1
    28 July 2020 13: 49
    Traditionally, lying is not tossing bags. The construction of the Turkish Stream cost $ 7 billion (not 20 indicated by the "author" of the fraudulent article) https://iz.ru/706142/2018-02-08/gazprom-povysil-otcenku-stoimosti-turetckogo-potoka
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3542275
    But all these publications of course spread pro-Kremlin lies and only the "author" knows the truth.

    As for the "Power of Siberia", oh, you must, the "author" does not like to lie either, only the amount should be written more $ 55 billion is normal, but we'd better write $ 100 billion, for the beauty of the text.
    http://wexel.ru/45231-Stoimost-Sily-Sibiri-prevysila-1-trln-rubleiy.html
    https://meduza.io/short/2018/04/28/sila-sibiri-teper-stoit-bolshe-trilliona-rubley-grafik
    But these also lie about the cost, only the "author" knows everything.

    Nord Stream 2 is being built by an international consortium and half of it is paid by Western companies that consume gas.
    https://forum-msk.info/threads/severnyj-potok-2-stoimost-proekta-i-ego-okupaemost.4199/

    The "author" is good at throwing on the fan. Is he capable of more?
    1. +5
      28 July 2020 14: 02
      Quote: savage1976
      The construction of the Turkish Stream cost $ 7 billion (not 20 indicated by the "author"

      If the TP is not needed and it is money wasted, then what are the Bulgarians investing in building at their own expense (1,1 billion euros pipeline + 197 compressor) its continuation
      Bulgartransgaz and the Saudi Arkad Consortium signed a final contract for the supply of materials, development of an investment project, development and commissioning of the Bulgarian section of the extension of the 2nd line of the Turkish Stream MGP. The contract is worth 1,1 billion euros and must be completed within 615 days of its conclusion. Bulgartransgaz also signed a contract worth € 197,5 million with a consortium of German FerroStaal and two Bulgarian companies for the construction of 2 compressor stations (CS), which will increase the pipeline's throughput capacity from 2 billion m3 / year to the planned capacity of 3 billion m12 /year.
      https://neftegaz.ru/news/finance/620588-bulgartransgaz-mozhet-sekonomit-na-stroitelstve-gazoprovoda-bolgarskiy-potok/
      The Bulgarian operator noted that it is going to repay loans from payments for gas transit.
      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/07/13/bolgariya-ishchet-dengi-na-dostroyku-tureckogo-potoka
      1. +1
        28 July 2020 14: 18
        And they are apparently also stupid, they are building pipes to buy gas in Russia from Gazprom and then sell it to Russia and Gazprom, well, Psaki said the same. Interestingly, Psaki and the author are relatives?
  47. +7
    28 July 2020 13: 50
    No words, only emotions. Wouldn't it be better to gasify villages and hamlets, summer cottages and SNT in Russia for reasonable (small) money? There are many of these non-gasified places where they heat with wood, fuel oil, liquefied gas or electricity. This would advance the development of the country so much that it is difficult to imagine. After all, in order to conduct gas, say, to a country house of some SNT, it is necessary that such a house meet certain requirements. But on the other hand, who would give up the comforts available? This means that the volume of private construction, repair, "renovation" of private houses will increase, and not at the expense of the state, but at the expense of the citizens themselves, who will invest in the economy of their own country. Plus, the production of all kinds of gas instrumentation, columns, stoves, valves, etc., which now, in my opinion, are mostly bought from all Czechs / Swedes, can be done by our industry, entrepreneurs. But the main thing is that the quality of life of Russian citizens will improve. And there, you see, it will be possible to think about the development of abandoned lands, settlements, the construction of new ones, which are so lacking for 1/6 of the land. Are the Germans, who killed more than 27 million (!) Soviet people in the last century, are we today closer to the descendants of those who survived the attack of Nazi Germany on the USSR in 1941?
    “However,” who cares when “fighting youth” and some strange trillion-dollar spending are on the agenda. It is known from the physics course that if somewhere has left, therefore, somewhere has arrived ...
    1. +3
      28 July 2020 14: 53
      The best comment. I fully agree and express my support! Even in gasified regions, the level of gasification of apartment buildings does not exceed 50%. The CHPP runs on coal and fuel oil, when we have nowhere to go with much more environmentally friendly gas. The development of our own production facilities for industrial and household equipment to operate on gas fuel will bring much more dividends than digging pipes into the ground. But our government needs bucks, not happy and wealthy citizens.
      1. -2
        28 July 2020 19: 44
        Such a large-scale gasification requires tens of trillions of rubles, since gasification is not only pipes, but also the accompanying equipment of the storage facility, and to deliver LNG to remote settlements, new roads need to be built and fuel for gas carriers must be spent.In the end, such gas for the locals will become gold compared to that. the same coal or wood.
        1. -1
          29 July 2020 16: 08
          What you have listed is called infrastructure, and yes, people will have to pay wages for this work, expand production, build new hospitals and schools in developing cities, in which new industries will also appear and a market for services will appear. And this is all called state building. And there was already such an example in our history, the large-scale electrification of the entire country, and it was the scale of the project that turned electricity, outlandish for the province, into a ubiquitous and affordable good. Do you know many examples of states that have successfully developed and did not depend on anything for nothing? But we have what we have, for the same trillions of rubles we are building pipelines to the countries that I prefer to develop.
      2. +1
        28 July 2020 20: 18
        Quote: Flakk88
        Even in gasified regions, the level of gasification of apartment buildings does not exceed 50%

        Now carefully we read the legislation and are surprised to learn that gasification multi-apartment houses FORBIDDEN for more than 10 years.

        Moreover, there is a plan to replace gas stoves with electric stoves in old houses. Gas tends to explode .. ...
        1. 0
          29 July 2020 15: 51
          I will gladly study the legislative act to which you are referring, if it exists in nature, indicate the name of this document. And flour dust, coal dust and gasoline vapors tend to explode. And how a nuclear power plant can rumble, I would prefer never to know. So go by
    2. 0
      28 July 2020 21: 15
      Quote: 1536
      After all, in order to conduct gas, say, to a summer cottage of some SNT, it is necessary that such a house meet certain requirements. But on the other hand, who would give up the comforts available?

      And you correctly noted that it will be extremely problematic to gasify these houses precisely because of their non-compliance with the requirements ...
      Comfort??? Oh well.....
      And now remember what kind of showdowns are being repaired by citizens in such SNT when the question arises about it, for example, on the road ...... It comes to the scuffle, I took it apart twice ...
    3. 0
      26 October 2020 00: 06
      navalnenok you write as if this gas is state or Putin captured it in the 90s thanks to your masters and such venal creatures as you and Yeltsik or Garbach, you can't help but vkurse whose gas promises promotions ???? then don't write here !!!! Putin took the country without subsurface resources in the OPG and everything from the army and the navy to the factories and the entire infrastructure is ruined + unrealistic external debt !!!! and it lifted the weight and so quickly the bridge and the Crimea were intercepted by the army the navy we don’t buy grain as even under the USSR the gold stock was held in 3rd place for 20 years GOD SEND US PUTIN !!!!!! how much he has done and will do! May God grant him health! and I believe he will return and has already returned to the Russian Federation what was not in the 200 years of the reign of 2000 years! for that period in those and present conditions it is fantastic !!!!! Vyshe who is against stupid brainwashed zapodom! it will not work for you as in ukraine, do not get old, and you and the Belarusian will not be tempted wherever you go to the Russian Federation, and if all the same you pull an asshole-for-a-fight, you will definitely get pistols! how in all ages whoever comes to us with a sword on a sewn will be carried away !!!! disperse're coming out-bulk-zapadalizi-venality -skins !!!!! to tear you apart with your bare hands if necessary!
  48. +1
    28 July 2020 13: 57
    Quote: Roman123567
    talk that Denmark is this way embodies their interests, also does not go

    What are theirs ??
    Let's say he gets a penny / contract for this instead of sanctions from the States .. so that the Danes live better .. Whose interest is it considered ??
    And if she allowed to pull the pipe .. to please us .. would they say that she is a prostitute again ?? So in any case she had to choose - to pull or not to pull .. And they just chose what was in their interests !!
    Or "their interests" are when pipes are pulled / sawed for the sake of the profit of several confidants, and the rest of the people - sanctions and slogans about "we are together" ??

    They didn't choose it, they thought it for them. And they chose not personal interest, respectively. They will somehow need to "make friends" with Germany thanks to such "their" interests.
  49. +5
    28 July 2020 13: 59
    The geopolitical genius of Putin & Co is greatly exaggerated.
  50. +1
    28 July 2020 14: 00
    Quote: Roman123567
    whose propaganda presents an undistorted picture.

    Draw..
    Which does not justify our propaganda in any way ..

    Judging by the accentuation of the previous speaker, WHOSE. That's what I mean.
  51. -12
    28 July 2020 14: 00
    Quote: 1536
    No words, only emotions

    Russia is the most gasified country in the world: 70% of households now, 100% by 2030.

    It is possible to achieve total gasification of the country faster - to bulldoze all sorts of Zadrischensky from three and a half huts in the middle of nowhere.
    1. +6
      28 July 2020 19: 30
      Quote: Operator
      Quote: 1536
      No words, only emotions

      Russia is the most gasified country in the world: 70% of households now 100% by 2030.

      Information for reflection
      Current state.
      Gazprom is working on gasification throughout Russia.
      In November, the 2017 A. Molodtsov (*Assistant to the Head of the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation) announced the average gasification target for the Russian Federation - 85% by 2030 - 2032
      In 2019, network gas was supplied to another 140 settlements, and more than 1700 km of gas pipelines were laid as part of the Russian gasification program.
      At the end of 2018, the level of gasification in the regions of the Russian Federation as a whole increased to 68,5% - an increase of approximately 0,2%.
      At this rate, the average level of gasification of 85% announced by A. Molodtsov in 10 years will not be achieved.
      In December 2019, A. Novak, following a meeting of the State Council, reported that the level of gasification with natural gas as of January 1, 2019 in the Russian Federation in rural areas was 59,4%.
      The result of 2019 - the average gasification level of 70,1% or 1% was also not impressive, because 1,5% is needed to achieve the target.
      In 2019 for comparison:
      gasification level in Azerbaijan - 96%,
      gasification level in Armenia - 94%

      https://neftegaz.ru/news/gazoraspredelenie/521699-minenergo-rossii-namereno-dobitsya-uskoreniya-tekushchikh-tempov-gazifikatsii-regionov/


      It is possible to achieve total gasification of the country faster - to bulldoze all sorts of Zadrischensky from three and a half huts in the middle of nowhere.

      Yes Yes. And to fight poverty - “destroy the whole of Russia to hell, leaving only Rublyovka.”
      / sarcasm / wassat lol
      Well, on a global scale -
      1. +2
        28 July 2020 21: 06
        First, remember that gasification of both Armenia and Azerbaijan began in the deep USSR....... Much earlier than the RSFSR....
        And also remember that the areas of these states, as well as the distance of settlements from each other, in principle cannot be compared with the Russian Federation.....
    2. +3
      29 July 2020 02: 15
      Especially zadrishchensk like Novosibirsk and Krasnoyarsk. They heat their huts with coal.
  52. +8
    28 July 2020 14: 05
    Who is to blame for the fact that for the sake of building the Power of Siberia, the geological department of Gazprom, together with research institutes, increased the volume at the gas field almost 2 times? And then it turned out that it would not be possible to sell 55 billion cubic meters a year. But they spent 3.85 trillion. Rubles. Why was it necessary to sell Gazprom drilling to Rotenberg for 4 billion? And why was it sold back 10 years later to Gazprom now for 40 billion rubles? There are too many questions.
    Because of such dirty frauds, Russian gas is more expensive. 1 British fuel unit of Russian gas is three times more expensive than LNG of the same unit. Will you buy sausage yourself for exorbitant prices?
    1. -1
      29 July 2020 20: 12
      Why is it three times more expensive?
  53. +8
    28 July 2020 14: 14
    The Kremlin's pipe mania, like the pursuit of easy money, should have ended in huge losses. Gazprom analysts, and even managers, have long forgotten how to analyze competently, not to mention forecasting. Brains swollen with fat stopped working.
    1. +1
      29 July 2020 10: 10
      In the USSR, we made a connection to a private house for 100 rubles. We connected a pipe to the main gas pipeline that ran along the wiring in the house for the stove and water heaters. Today, a connection to a house is estimated at 500 rubles. But the people do not have that kind of money. They have a salary and have a source income, and even a futuristic one does not exceed 000 rubles. But in real life it is 40. And that is provided that there is work in the regions. And as a rule, there is none.
  54. +8
    28 July 2020 14: 30
    Apparently, many have already come to the assumption that only the “contractors” who build them make money on pipelines, and we know who the contractors are and whose friends they are. In 2016, one minority shareholder of Gazprom even complained about this to someone whose friends they were. They promised to “sort it out.” In 2018, there was an internal report for Troika-Dialog investors, parts of which were leaked to the press. It is written in a polemical style. And there is the same conclusion and many more interesting things. But Troika-Dialog by that time was under the control of Sberbank and the authors were simply fired. Some are now suggesting that even if these pipelines operate, either all or some of them - the strength of Siberia is often talked about - will continue to cause ongoing losses. Although that Troika report, as I understand it, stated that they could bring profit to Gazprom under certain conditions, investments in them are in any case less effective than investments in other things. But that report, of course, did not take into account the recent drop in oil prices and the debacle with the Chayandinskoye field.
  55. +9
    28 July 2020 14: 35
    Hello, I hope my comment will not get lost in the endless discussions of the intimate lives of Europeans and the praise of deceased and existing regimes. The author really correctly described the current situation, correctly pointing out the affiliated media. It is Gazprom that owns a controlling stake in all the main federal channels, which explains the demonstration of completely unnecessary “Power of Siberia” advertising to the average viewer on TV. Regarding the situation with this gas pipeline, the author is completely right, but perhaps he does not know, or perhaps he is deliberately protecting the public from the information that the Chinese do not need the SS at all.

    I suggest that the author and commentators familiarize themselves with an interesting lecture on this topic, from the 8th minute we are talking about the gas industry in particular and the SS too. 2015, the beginning of the energy price crisis. Everything was known already then. But what is becoming obvious today is deliberately kept silent in the media.
    1. +5
      28 July 2020 19: 22
      Quote: Flakk88
      Regarding the situation with this gas pipeline, the author is completely right, but perhaps he does not know, or perhaps he is deliberately protecting the public from the information that the Chinese do not need the SS at all.

      Then why are they building a sequel to it?
      China on Tuesday began construction of the southern section of the Russian-Chinese gas pipeline "Eastern Route" (a continuation of the "Power of Siberia" gas pipeline), which will connect Yongqing County, Langfang Urban District in the northeastern province of Hebei and the central city of Shanghai. This was reported by the Xinhua agency... The project will be ready by June 2025, after which the Yangtze Delta region (Shanghai and its environs) will receive about 18,9 billion cubic meters annually. m of “blue fuel”... Previously, the agency reported that in the first six months of operation of the northern section connecting the northeastern provinces of China Heilongjiang and Jilin, Russia supplied 1,58 billion cubic meters to China via the gas pipeline. m of natural gas. The middle section, stretching from Jilin Province to Hebei Province, will be launched by the end of 2020. https://tass.ru/ekonomika/9065571
      1. 0
        29 July 2020 16: 16
        Only it doesn’t mention that the Chinese are building a gas pipeline on their territory on the basis of a contract paid for by Russia.
        1. 0
          29 July 2020 18: 23
          Quote: Flakk88
          The Chinese are building a gas pipeline on their territory based on a contract paid for by Russia

          if this is so, then help the author of the article in listing the gas pipelines (then there is clearly one line missing - the “Eastern route” [The power of Siberia ends at the border of Russia] the length is no less than 5111 km, and will be built until 2025) and the amount of Gazprom’s investments you can call it (it is known from the Power of Siberia), the amount may not be small....
  56. +2
    28 July 2020 14: 38
    The novel, of course, correctly illuminated the issue. But in current affairs
    It’s always like this: first takeoff, then landing. Now the world economy is going
    to decline, and energy resources no longer have the priority they once did. But
    after a decline, a rise is inevitable - this has always been the case, otherwise the Earth
    would be left without earthlings. And the demand for oil and gas will go up.
    This is where pipelines will continue to regularly generate income.
    I note that the author finished his heartbreaking article,
    essentially nothing. Because it was only necessary to show off the simple
    and with understandable indignation - he flashed. But I could
    continue your thought further: why did we build
    conglomerates for the production of large diameter pipes in
    the most advanced technological platforms - should they be closed?
    People will be thrown out into the street, and then all connected will close
    with this production there are many enterprises with hundreds of thousands
    work places? After all, they don’t need pipes, they don’t take Russian gas?
    Roma, could you give some good advice on what to do in this case?
    Personally, I highly doubt it. But you're like that rooster -
    crowed, and then at least the sun doesn’t rise and there’s no new day
    advance. But it did shine. And I admired myself...
    1. +8
      28 July 2020 15: 02
      Those. Do you really think that while the Americans take first place in the number of missile launches, and the Chinese completely capture the world consumer electronics market, we need to rejoice at the achievements of our oligarchs in the production of large-diameter pipes and burying them in the ground without any expediency? And all this with the support of the government with appropriate subsidies and coverage of these “successes” in the lured media. The problem is obvious, but you can not think but crow in the comments.
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  58. -2
    28 July 2020 15: 33
    The left-wing emos got off to a good start...
  59. -4
    28 July 2020 15: 47
    Another opus of a universal specialist with an owl on a globe - learn the materiel, author, and don’t fool people’s minds.
    PS
    Gas from the Power of Siberia cannot be sold to anyone except the Chinese. Neither the Mongols nor the Koreans. NO ONE. The pipeline has ONE buyer, and he will then dictate his terms to the seller.

    Complete and defiantly frank incompetence of the author in one phrase!
    ZZY And these people are saying something about picking their nose...
    1. +2
      28 July 2020 18: 30
      After reading the title, I immediately understood Mokhov or Skomorokhov
  60. +5
    28 July 2020 17: 05
    No matter how much they puffed out their cheeks, the Russian bourgeoisie again showed that they do not know how to run a household.
    Diagnosis: the head is from one place. They only know how to rob their own population. However, if the population itself has been voting for them in every election for 30 years, it means they need it....... I don’t know of another country like this.
    1. 0
      28 July 2020 18: 14
      I observe the same “hedgehogs and cactus” paradox.
    2. -1
      29 July 2020 15: 02
      Fly to Africa or South America and get to know other countries) Don’t whistle, there won’t be any money!
  61. +2
    28 July 2020 18: 27
    Thanks to the author. As I understand it, the main criticism is not even that the “pipes” will not pay for themselves today and in the foreseeable future. This is half the trouble. In some cases, there are also political dividends that can be transformed into future economic ones - I’m talking about SP-1 / SP-2. We need Germany! As a neutral economic partner, without sanctions and quirks. For this reason, it is worth playing long and big. But the trouble is that Friends (you know whose) - -Contractors do not bear any personal financial responsibility for current losses on projects - the treasury will cover everything! At the same time, losses are formed to a large extent by the cutting of budget funds, starting with contracts at the lowest level, and upward in geometric progression. As for jobs: yes, slaves are given food, how could we not do without it. All the same, even through taxes they will return from their salaries to finance the appetites of contractors, who are “Russia’s Property.”
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  63. +5
    28 July 2020 18: 47
    However, you are evil, Roman.
    “Comrades” are so “... caring for the people, the compote is not pouring into your mouth” (S. Filatov), ​​and here you face them about the table.
    And they just got ready to build a bridge to Sakhalin, they are already figuring out how to cut the budget..., oh, distribute it.
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  65. -1
    28 July 2020 19: 34
    "Without the slightest hope of profit. Without a chance to improve internal life in the country. Simply spent, and rather ineptly." The author you are pure Valenok is not the same as in the sale of gas in everything. Why did you even think that these pipelines will not bring anything in the future? You know what the price of LNG in the world will be tomorrow and no matter how you turn it, the Power of Siberia is part of the project, the other part is the infrastructure accompanying this gas pipeline, and also the Amur Gas Processing Plant, which will produce industrial gases that not only Russia but also the whole world needs it, and if they are building the Power of Siberia 2, then China needs this gas pipeline - the world economy will recover and the demand for gas will go up and its price will follow - there are no political projects, everyone counts the money just like that, no one will build anything will.
  66. -2
    28 July 2020 19: 42
    Because the money is not your own, but state money! If Turkey (China, Germany, etc.) needs cheap gas, let them build a pipeline to our border. As Lavrov said: stupid people, damn it...
    1. +3
      28 July 2020 20: 58
      Quote: Skeleton
      Because the money is not your own, but state money! If Turkey (China, Germany, etc.) needs cheap gas, let them build a pipeline to our border. As Lavrov said: stupid people, damn...

      And they say - the costs of construction and operation will cover the difference between your pipeline and US LNG... Them It’s more profitable in this situation to use LNG rather than build something somewhere...
  67. +4
    28 July 2020 22: 22
    All this is the result of a highly publicized policy of public-private partnership, in which most of the profits go to private individuals, and all expenses and losses are reimbursed from the state budget. A private trader from a large economy should be driven away, and not flirted with. Only then will it make sense.
    Alexander Malchukov.
  68. +2
    28 July 2020 22: 52
    Everything is according to the canons of military art, so that there is no obvious and only direction for gas supplies in which Gazprom is interested. “Everything for victory, everything for the front,” and the rear in the sense of provision on a residual basis, and coal also means jobs for now... bully
  69. +1
    28 July 2020 22: 59
    On September 1.09.20, 23 there will be another report from Gazprom. A XNUMX% annual drop in shares. We’ll see there. You can’t fool stock market speculators. negative
  70. -1
    28 July 2020 22: 59
    capitalism, happiness, fuck....-???
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  72. -1
    29 July 2020 00: 15
    ""Turkish Stream" - 20 billion dollars, or 1,4 trillion rubles.
    "Power of Siberia" - $55 billion, or 3,85 trillion rubles. "Gazprom Deputy Chairman Andrei Kruglov estimated the cost of building the Turkish Stream at $6 billion. Previously, the company planned to spend on this
    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/business/22/06/2017/594ba32b9a7947e4776b6c9f
    The author's numbers are out of whack....."
    About the Power of Siberia, Wiki gives 1,1 trillion....
    It looks like the author is multiplying numbers by pi... bully
    1. +1
      29 July 2020 15: 29
      To the “Power of Siberia”, the author forgot to add here the development of two fields - Chayandinskoye (in Yakutia), Kovyktinskoye (in the Irkutsk region) and the construction of the Amur gas processing plant with a capacity of 42 billion cubic meters. m per year worth 950 billion rubles. The author actually pulled out data that was interesting to him, and not objectively!
  73. -1
    29 July 2020 01: 03
    in the gas station country,
    Well, Obama's son laughing
  74. kig
    +1
    29 July 2020 03: 45
    Russia is a geopolitical adversary of the United States and Europe. At least they are sure of it. And receiving oil and gas from the enemy is fraught with all sorts of unpleasant surprises, anyone understands this, and therefore it is quite logical that Europe wants to diversify its sources of resources. It is illogical that those who planned the gas pipelines and thought that Europeans would endlessly jump for joy do not understand this. Gazprom proudly reported that 40% of gas consumed in Europe is Russian gas. And someone there scratched his butt and realized that this was too much. But our planners did not understand this. Here is the result. Everything was heading towards this, but the virus only pushed the situation forward.
  75. 0
    29 July 2020 07: 02
    “I won’t catch up, at least I’ll warm up.” I have no opinion, although I read others. But at the last moment I changed my mind. This conglomerate is at the same time independent and state-owned. The affectionate calf of two queens sucks. It would seem that it would be easier for the head of Gazprom to become the owner the same Zenit. The budget of this team, I won’t be mistaken, is 9 billion rubles. And each player receives many times an ordinary Gazprom employee. This smear in the economy will not lead to anything good. The state will cover all costs. Moreover, the shareholders are all familiar faces .
  76. +3
    29 July 2020 08: 54
    I immediately noticed the lie; the author could have corrected the gas estimate to Austria. (43) Everything is in open sources. When the author starts lying almost immediately, the article is trashed. I can agree with only one thesis, the Power of Siberia was precisely a political deal. Is the author supposed to be from a non-brotherly place? I went over the rest of the theses, well, no need to write it down so boldly, I was just wasting my time
  77. +5
    29 July 2020 09: 14
    The entire article is based on the thesis - “LNG is cheaper than natural gas through pipes.”
    BUT! The thesis in the article has never been proven. The author prays to him as an icon.
    But the thesis itself about the cheapness of LNG is, to put it mildly, controversial:
    LNG - Liquefied Natural Gas. To liquefy it, you need to do WORK on it! Moreover, in order to pump gas through pipes, it must be compressed to a pressure of 70 atmospheres, but to make it liquid up to 170 (both numbers from memory). Gas is not a liquid; to compress it you need to spend six times more energy (squinting your left eye) than pumping it through pipes. Well, okay, the energy source for this is natural gas itself. Although this is debatable, especially if you ask the "greens", screaming about warming. Then, during work, something wears out somewhere. It should be expected that with higher pressure the wear will be higher.
    Further even funnier: What is the service life of pipes? They've been in use for 50 years and don't really require replacement. How long does an LNG tanker last? Yes, he’s already 25 years old “for happiness”! Moreover, even on one flight the gas tends to “evaporate”. These losses can be “utilized” in the tanker’s engine, but the FURTHER THE TANKER SAILS, THE LESS GAS IT WILL CARRY. Nothing can be done about it.
    But even when the tanker delivers LNG to the site, the operation is not over yet - the gas must be LIQUEFIED and... PUSHED INTO THE PIPES AGAIN.
    But there are also issues of NAVIGATION SAFETY, which directly affect the rhythm of deliveries. And the influence of sea weather conditions on this entire operation.
    In short, “the further into the forest, the thicker the partisans” and more and more questions arise about the cost of LNG. REAL VALUE.
  78. +2
    29 July 2020 09: 47
    What impresses and convinces me most are numbers, and in this article the numbers reflect only one side of the balance - “expense”. I would like to see (to complete the picture) the “income” from these “commercial” enterprises. I do not dispute the conclusions presented by the author (I am not immersed in this topic deeply enough), but you must agree that by citing expenses and not reporting income, the information looks at least incomplete and one-sided. The same applies to the difference in the price of liquefied gas and pipeline gas: I would like to see specific figures, but not instant fixation, but fluctuations at least within the last six months. The article contains a lot of emotions, but few numbers, and this always causes a slight mistrust. Well, the fact that those with power ALWAYS, EVERYWHERE and AT ALL TIMES used it for personal enrichment is stupid and even ridiculous to argue with.
  79. +1
    29 July 2020 10: 00
    Why do they only put you in a corner for mistakes and not remove you from office?
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  81. +2
    29 July 2020 13: 15
    The author does not understand anything at all in terms of making management decisions on all these gas pipelines. But he knows exactly how to excite the reader, because he is a professional provocateur.
  82. +1
    29 July 2020 13: 41
    Quote: Vadim237
    Such a large-scale gasification requires tens of trillions of rubles, since gasification is not only pipes, but also the accompanying equipment of the storage facility, and to deliver LNG to remote settlements, new roads need to be built and fuel for gas carriers must be spent.In the end, such gas for the locals will become gold compared to that. the same coal or wood.

    That is why the state exists, to resolve such issues. What do you think, dear fellow, about the introduction of, say, the steam engine, the construction of railways, etc. Were human achievements costly? However, they fought for them and ultimately did not lose. Eventually, conventional boiler houses can be converted to gas.
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  86. -2
    30 July 2020 06: 05
    Quote: bober1982
    It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.

    Yes, these, as you put it, homosexuals have put Russia in such a position that it is worth thinking about the sexual orientation of the country’s leadership. They really like it all. Zeroed and company. How masochists continue and continue to make problems for their bottom. But what does the people of Russia have to do with it? Maybe you can stop putting up with such scum....?
  87. 0
    30 July 2020 09: 16
    The period of the reign of Vova, the heir of Bori, will be raked by all citizens of the Union for a very long time, painfully and expensively. I said this from the beginning until now.
    In fact, something unique happened. They managed to build something that turned out to be worse than the very stagnating Union, prepared for demolition.

    Regarding the pipe, there is simply a completely different concept of promoting interests. The Union spent money on creating all sorts of “Cubes”. Increasing your own sphere of influence. The Russian Federation spends the same money on the construction of pipes for the sale of fuel to countries included in other spheres of influence. So the concept here is stupid from the start. Selling a product to a current or potential enemy... well... good luck with that.
  88. 0
    30 July 2020 10: 36
    Well written, well done, to the point and caustic
  89. 0
    30 July 2020 11: 02
    Every year our king is in power, Russia receives $100 billion in direct losses. In addition to the adventures of state-owned companies, which are ALL unprofitable, there is also:
    - maintenance of 300 thousand of the National Guard (although 50 thousand is enough, but you need to have 300 so that if something happens there are enough ghouls to shoot the rebellious people)
    - national projects, they’re just a feeder and nothing more
    - Games of being a superpower, which is not and is not necessary. We are the largest country in the world, but there are only 145 million of us, which is less than 2% of the planet's population. There are 330 million Americans, but the whole world is working hard on them, the Chinese are a yard and a half away. Our wealth is territory, but Putin's superpower games could lead to the collapse of the country. They collected lands for a thousand years...
    And this one can drain everything in just a few minutes.
  90. 0
    30 July 2020 13: 00
    Meanwhile, it is worth considering what can happen in a gas station country if its oil and gas are not needed by anyone. Moreover, one should think about it today, until tomorrow the construction of another useless pipeline begins.

    Well, in fact, this money should not be invested in the economy.
    These money will be used for more necessary things - the construction of palaces, yachts, the purchase of real estate and expensive helicopters...
    Big guys know better how to spend people's money, and people will continue to pay for gas and electricity and everything else. wassat hi
  91. +1
    31 July 2020 01: 58
    I have long believed that the prosecutor’s office should deal with Miller; he failed everything possible.
  92. -1
    31 July 2020 11: 10
    The fairy tale about effective managers is over. They all screwed up, Gazprom even screwed up something that is difficult to screw up in all areas. We tried to mean it. Deripaska has complete diarrhea. I am silent about Gref; it would be better if he were born back together with Nabiulina and all the effective ones. They can only steal effectively. The States constantly give Russia direct prostate massage. It’s a shame, you understand.
    feel
  93. -1
    31 July 2020 14: 30
    You can ask the author: what is taxpayers' money? Does he really think that something can be built with his taxes? I would at least count the gallery.
  94. 0
    1 August 2020 13: 49
    I wonder when they will “get it” that it’s time to gasify the village and the province, for reasonable money. For now, I can only call Gazprom and its structures “fans of Elton John.” Sometimes I go to the village, between St. Petersburg and Moscow (Valdai region). We asked about gas supply. They modestly asked for a “lemon” from each house if there were “at least 20 houses.” This is only for the supply of a common pipe, 3 km from the substation. So much for “Gazprom in every home.”
    1. 0
      1 August 2020 15: 23
      More precisely, not fans, but partners of E. John. Sounds in keeping with modern trends.
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  96. 0
    1 August 2020 15: 18
    The article is very reminiscent of revelations in the style of the editorial staff of Navalny’s FBK. Or maybe the chief editor is the same. The style and style of presentation of the topic is very similar. Only the authors change.
  97. 0
    1 August 2020 20: 42
    What is it actually written about? The fact that Gazprom and its partners have built/are building an infrastructure for selling their product (gas). Shouldn't it have been built? Now, even without interpreters, it is clear that the energy situation is still the same. But everything is changing. And when the time comes to trade, pipelines will come in handy; you won’t have to waste time building them.
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  99. 0
    2 August 2020 02: 17
    Another expert in everything.
    The author better calculate your salary right now.
    That is, we urgently need to merge from the market and simultaneously collapse the economy within the country with all the enterprises involved in the cooperation, jobs and taxes?

    Think about alternatives and promote if you care as long as Gazprom and others can earn money and provide jobs within the country, just don’t drive the blizzard.
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