Unnecessary pipes, or the Sunset of the gas column country


What are the benefits and interests of modern engaged media? They are capable of giving out information in such a way that everything looks like a peremog. And you start to look more attentively - it is not clear. And if you analyze it thoughtfully, it is sheer joy in the best canons and traditions of our neighbors in the West.


More than strange things made me think about what was happening with Russian pipelines. news immediately from the north and south. In general, in the end, looking to the east is absolutely not harmful.

The picture is strange, but very logical. And not particularly joyful for a Russian's eye.

So, I'll start from the north.

Nord Stream 2


Oh, this Denmark ... A country whose area is smaller than the territory of many regions of the same center of Russia (not even talking about large territories in the east) puts such a spoke in its wheels that you start to respect it.

It is clear that Denmark is not the biggest counterbalance to the rearing Germany, dreaming of how she (Germany) will throw off all these transit countries and start to use gas itself. Naturally, getting it with a huge (as expected) discount.

Denmark is against it. And after all, how beautifully the descendants of Hamlet put a spoke in the wheels ... Either they drowned ammunition in thousands of tons (where they got it - that's the question!), Now the cod with their spawning ... No, the spawning of cod is a necessary thing. The only strange thing is that in 2018 and 2019 the pipeline was driven without bothering with cod, but in 2020 cod turned out to be more important. And it is near the island of Bornholm.

Okay, the ammunition has been emptied, the cod will celebrate its caviar, the season of autumn storms will pass ... Or it is clear that when Baba Yaga (more precisely, Donald-not-the-drake) is against, then the combined desires of Merkel and Putin may not be enough. Cod, you know, it is sometimes more important ... and stronger.

In general, the future of the SP-2 is not so doubtful, but ... It will be pulled for a very long time. Simply because SP-2 itself is politicized to the utmost. Whatever the representatives of Germany and Russia say about the opposite, there is definitely no more politicized construction, if not in the world, then in Europe.

So all this will drag on for a long time, the only question is, at whose expense. Meanwhile, the cost of SP-2 is approaching 10 billion. It is clear that not rubles, but euros. Too much for a pipeline that is still empty in the water.

Utopia turns out in the literal sense. And if you count everything ...

However, about the accounts - at the very end.

"Turkish Stream"


The fact that Erdogan is still a “partner” has been said and written by many at one time. The author was no exception and, unfortunately, was right. The strange things happening in the south speaks with confidence that the Turkish president is allowing him to be friends with him. On certain and very favorable terms for yourself.

An excellent example is the frankly spineless and semi-treacherous sale of the S-400 to him, in all the intricacies of which NATO experts will now perfectly understand. But if it had not been for this sale, Turkey's capricious leader would not have let the pipeline be built.

And here's an interesting result for you: in 2020, Russia, the first in terms of exports to Turkey, “suddenly” dropped immediately to fifth place. Azerbaijan, Iran, Qatar and Algeria took the lead. The fact was attested by the Turkish EPDK, the state energy regulator.

He also recorded a 72% decrease in Russian gas supplies to Turkey, while LNG from the United States increased by 300%. And already "on the way" to the five leaders.

But the successes of the USA and Azerbaijan somehow do not interest us very much. But the fact that, according to the RF FTO, Gazprom's exports in the first quarter of 2020 collapsed (you can't put it another way) by 24,4%, to 46,6 billion cubic meters, is a fact. And specifically to Turkey - up to 0,2 billion cubic meters. And this, we will note, despite the introduction of the "Turkish Stream".

Yes, there is a crisis all over the world, yes, Turkey is starting to consume less gas, but ... Why Russian? Not American, not Azerbaijani, but Russian? Turkey and I are “friends-partners”. How so?

And like this. Russian gas turned out to be uncompetitive. And since Turkey is a monopoly consumer of gas and Erdogan was not persuaded to transit to Europe, now Turkey can consume as much gas from Russia as it needs. Adding weight to more profitable contracts, and even twisting hands at a price, because TP has no more users.

This is not called monopoly, but monopsony. When there is one buyer and several sellers. And then such a buyer (in our case, Turkey) begins to dictate the terms in full.

Which is what happened. Gas from Gazprom turned out to be completely uncompetitive. And in Europe, by the way, things are no better. On European hubs in June, gas was quoted at $ 45 per thousand cubic meters at TTF (Netherlands) and $ 63 per thousand at Baumgarten (Austria). With the declared price of zero profitability of $ 100 per thousand cubic meters for Gazprom, taking into account the cost of production, mineral extraction tax, transportation and customs duties.

Russian gas turned out to be of no interest to Turkey. Meanwhile, the construction of the "Turkish Stream" cost Russia $ 20 billion.

Sberbank CIB analyst Alex Fack calculated in 2018 that Turkish Stream will not pay off in the next 50 years and will bring Gazprom $ 13 billion in losses. But in 2018, things didn't look so sad.

But all this pales in comparison with what is happening in the east.

"The Power of Siberia"


This is a very publicized and very expensive window dressing. Super peremog, so to speak. Compared to which "streams" are rural pipelines from village to village. Gazprom reluctantly says that the SS cost $ 55 billion, but independent experts say the amount is $ 100 billion.

If we accept that the truth is somewhere in between, then let it be $ 75 billion. And what did Russia get for this money? Nothing. A very beautiful picture, the price of which is zero. More precisely, minus $ 75 billion.

This project does not give ANYTHING on the gas market. In 2020, the pumping plan, according to Gazprom itself, was only 5 billion cubic meters. And it's not a fact that so much will be pumped, but it's not even a matter of reducing consumption in the world.

The fact is that in order to reach the promised 38 billion cubic meters per year, it takes about 10 years and a lot of money in excess of the spent. Just because the resources of one Chayandinskoye field (Yakutia, Lensky district, opened in 1983) will not be enough to provide such volumes, according to the project, it is necessary to connect the Kovykta field (Irkutsk region, discovered in 1987) to it.

Digression: I draw your attention to the fact that both deposits were discovered during the Soviet era, we continue to eat up the Soviet legacy. But the exploration was carried out crookedly, so that many wells today turned out to be "dry". With all the ensuing consequences.

So, according to the plan, it is necessary not only to put these two fields into operation, it is necessary to connect these fields with a new pipe, fill in new wells, put compressor stations all the way ...

By the way, the "path" is 900 kilometers.

And then, in 10 years, if the Chinese still need it ... The key is “if need be,” because there are a lot of nuances.

But in 2018, Energy Minister Novak, reporting to the State Duma, honestly admitted that Power of Siberia is not a commercial project and we will not see any profit soon, if any.

Until then, Gazprom is lying. Moreover, since 2014, when the media of a certain nature amicably full of headlines about what a great project Russia and China will carry out. This was the first and most important lie, because China was not going to build ANYTHING.

The second was a lie that China would give $ 20-25 billion for the project. Did not give. And not because he decided to "throw", but because he did not promise a single word. Not a single hieroglyph in the contract, not a single stroke of the pen. And since he did not promise, then he did not.

This whole thing was built from the first to the last penny with the money of Russian taxpayers. This is an interstate project, isn't it? So the budget. The development of which we are engaged in by everyone who can reach it.

Accordingly, who received at least some profit from the pipeline? That's right, those who built it. Nobody needs a pipeline for taxpayer money. Specifically, according to the "SS" - all the preferences of both Mr. Timchenko and Rotenberg Sr.

Russia? Okay, let's be serious.

China at the other end of the pipe is also a monopsony buyer. Gas from Power of Siberia cannot be sold to anyone except the Chinese. Neither Mongols nor Koreans. ANYONE. The pipeline has ONE buyer, and then he will dictate his terms to the seller. And the seller will agree to these conditions, otherwise the pipeline will be empty.

It is already worth it, since Siberian gas is a backup option for China. China receives the main gas from the Pacific region in the form of LNG, which is more profitable.

And since China is reducing the volume of consumed gas, including pipe gas, here our neighbors can twist Gazprom’s hands as they please. More precisely, Erdogan will be jealous.

The world's bulk of cheap gas. There is a lot of LNG in the world. And this is where interesting things turn out.

Profit is not something that is not expected, it is simply not expected, since the world is experiencing a fall in prices and a surplus of natural gas. Against this background, we suddenly have an unfinished empty Nord Stream 2, a half empty Nord Stream 1, an empty Turkish Stream, an empty Power of Siberia.

But Gazprom and Mr. Miller personally are not going to stop there. Having gone wild with SS, instead of providing the pipeline with gas and risking finding new consumers at least within the country, Miller and the company announced the construction of Power of Siberia-2! From other deposits, for example, China, through the territory of Mongolia.

Interesting, huh? China is reducing the level of gas purchases, Gazprom cannot provide even what was agreed upon, therefore it is necessary to threaten another 1,5 trillion rubles for one more pipe!

Where is the money? Oh yes, money ...

No one has got gas prices up there since August 1, no?

It's good to live and have fun in Russia. If you have the opportunity. Indeed, can we really not afford to spend another one and a half trillion miserable rubles on another pipe that nobody needs?

After all, people will work. People will make money. Good people. Millers, Rotenbergs, Timchens ...

In general, the policy of Gazprom and the state (do not forget about the state's share in this organization) is no longer even surprising. All these epoch-making construction projects, just like in Soviet times, cause a feeling of bewilderment. And the understanding that money is simply wasted on worthless PR projects that turn into empty pipes and losses.

To repay which is the lot of taxpayers.

A beautiful chain turns out. Representatives of the authorities are having fun, concluding epoch-making agreements, engaged media have fun telling all sorts of fables (like about China, which was supposed to "give money"), Gazprom has fun, placing orders for unnecessary and, moreover, not supplied with gas pipelines, playing all the games.

And the people are paying for all this disgrace. Which once again raise prices. But which once again, with shouts of "Glory!" expresses confidence in the whole matter.

Indeed, we live in interesting times ...

And what do we end up with? Calculator, your way out!

Nord Stream 2 - $ 10 billion, or 700 billion rubles.

Turkish Stream - $ 20 billion, or 1,4 trillion rubles.

Power of Siberia - $ 55 billion, or 3,85 trillion rubles.

Power of Siberia-2 - $ 21 billion, or 1,5 trillion rubles.

Total entertainment with empty pipes will cost the Russian taxpayer $ 106 billion, or 7,45 trillion rubles.

Without the slightest hope of profit. No chance of improving domestic life in the country. Simply spent, and rather mediocre.

And most importantly, there is no chance that this outrage will ever stop.

Meanwhile, it is worth considering what can happen in a gas station country if its oil and gas are not needed by anyone. Moreover, one should think about it today, until tomorrow the construction of another useless pipeline begins.
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  1. bober1982 28 July 2020 10: 10 New
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    It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.
    1. Svarog 28 July 2020 10: 14 New
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      Quote: bober1982
      It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.

      I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins? wassat Is this the main thing for you?
      1. bober1982 28 July 2020 10: 21 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins? Is this the main thing for you?

        Read G. Klimov, he clearly explained.
        1. Tatyana 28 July 2020 10: 57 New
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          I absolutely agree with the author! Itself has often paid attention to this.
          And I will say even more.
          With regard to the gas and oil industry of the Russian Federation, everything that has been said above looks like a deliberate bankruptcy by the Russian leaders of the entire gas and oil industry in Russia and then with its complete and final "resale" for a penny (simply transferring) to foreign owners in terms of CONTINUING the collective West (USA) COLNIZATION of Russia.
          1. your1970 28 July 2020 11: 46 New
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            There was such a country in the USSR ...
            There was a Gas Pipe Agreement ...
            We have built gas pipelines, everything is great ...
            Neither Timchenko nor Rotenbergs were observed, of course ...
            And then the oil crisis of the 70s happened and gas fell in price for the company with oil ...
            And for two years the USSR pumped gas to Europe is free, quite practically - the operating costs barely covered
            And even the social camp ...
            1. Ren
              Ren 28 July 2020 12: 27 New
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              Quote: your1970
              And then the oil crisis of the 70s happened and gas fell in price for the company with oil ...
              And for two years, the USSR pumped gas to Europe for free, quite practically - the operating costs barely covered

              And if you look:
              Net proceeds from sales of PJSC "Gazprom":
              2017 - 6 billion rubles;
              2018 - 8 billion rubles;
              2019 - 7 billion rubles;
              Paid taxes, except for income tax (and these are pensions, social services, medicine, roads, etc., in addition to dividends to the state, also paid to the budget):
              2017 - 1 billion rubles;
              2018 - 1 billion rubles;
              2019 - 1 billion rubles.
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                  1. Stas157 28 July 2020 15: 21 New
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                    Stunning article. I knew that everything was bad (with Gazprom). But not that much! While reading, my tongue stuck to the sky with grief. What are these ... doing to the country!

                    Thanks to Roman once again for the way he uncovers the ulcers on the body, carefully hidden by Putin's propaganda of imaginary well-being.
                    1. Kisa 28 July 2020 16: 36 New
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                      also such unformed thoughts wandered. I didn’t quite grasp the author’s statement about a more profitable LNG thesis did not disclose us all were assured that the pipe was not in competition and suddenly we were moved everywhere
                      1. Grading 28 July 2020 18: 49 New
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                        This is how it all began

                        and this is how it ends
                      2. Lexus 28 July 2020 22: 50 New
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                        I remember that article last October. Like a flock of withered "old-school pennies" with Prigozhin's tame "Scandinavian mountain dwellers, turning to stone in the sunlight" them, a Homo sapiens and impartiality, having estimated the most probable options, expressed confidence that "there will be no carnival." Where are they now? Done from the strain! The drunken ones are still storming the "hated Omerigi and Geyropes" on other branches through the "broken bottom", while others have felt the "mighty hand of Miller" in their own pockets and the bonus "prostate massage" from the pancreas. Which is well deserved. With which I congratulate them. From the heart!
                      3. forpost 28 July 2020 23: 05 New
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                        Yes raised by the amount of annual inflation
                      4. Vikxnumx 29 July 2020 10: 06 New
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                        Yes raised by the amount of annual inflation

                        And where does inflation come from ???
                      5. forpost 29 July 2020 20: 01 New
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                        and where does the gas come from?
                  2. kiborg 31 July 2020 10: 43 New
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                    Unfortunately, prices are rising for everything, not just gas. Don't get hung up on this. Traditionally, prices for housing and communal services increase in July. This year from August. Thus, a cubic meter of gas will rise in price from 6,02 rubles to 6,13 rubles (together with vat). For 11 kopecks! Is this 1,827% Is it a lot or a little? In relative units less than 2%, this is not much. If you look at it in absolute terms, if a family consumes 30 cubic meters of gas per month, this is just over THREE rubles! Well, why all this screeching about gas ??
                    You can also calculate how much richer Gazprom will become if it puts this three rubles in its pocket (which is clearly not the case, since something will go to the local budget, something to the treasury in the form of taxes, etc.). It will be about 150-200 million rubles, that is, 2-3 million dollars.
                    Well, for Gazprom, this is nothing ..
              2. Lexus 28 July 2020 22: 33 New
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                A couple of months ago, $ bk316 with snot in all obscene places tried unsuccessfully to prove to me that the "gas pipeline" could not be unprofitable. Director of a company there, just a minute. My condolences to those Persons Deceived by the Bully, who will shatter him.
              3. Sfurei 29 July 2020 14: 52 New
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                Roman wrote a long article in some part with some pretty good reasoned conclusions about the various pipelines. I approve, I liked it !! We will monitor the further development of these projects.
                But again, one of the main arguments about the decrease in turnover by 24% in the first quarter was not justified correctly by the author. Yes, the turnover fell, but why? There were several reasons for this.
                The largest consumer of our gas is the EU and the main decline has affected this direction. Why:
                1. At the end of 2019, everyone considered the option of stopping transit through Ukraine, and all EU storage facilities were almost completely filled with gas.
                2. Warm winter did not allow to spend these reserves and there were surpluses in storage facilities.
                3. General economic stagnation of production all over the world began to show itself at the beginning of the year and gas consumption fell everywhere.
                And starting from February, they begin to stop production in Asia (China went on vacation in the last week of January and smoothly switched to karatnin, from which it didn’t come out until the end of the 1st quarter. I know from my work), and then production slowed down around the world. ...
                I would like to draw Roman's attention to an undisclosed topic that is not very popular in the media and, of course, in VO: when will Gazprom, or Rosneft, or the Russian currency have good days, for example: income growth or ruble growth. When they finish building Nord Stream 2 or something. Write a detailed article that everything is not so bad on the territory of our Motherland and we have something to be glad about !!! Good luck !!
            2. Sergey Nemov 28 July 2020 16: 05 New
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              Quote: Stroporez
              Skomorokhov wrote the correct article

              I agree Kamrad. The article is correct. Do not add, do not subtract. Everything is right in the article.
            3. To be or not to be 28 July 2020 18: 16 New
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              HERE we are all huge experts on gas, oil and pipes.
              https://ach.gov.ru/promo/analytical-report-federal-budget-2019-3/index.html
            4. Lexus 28 July 2020 22: 25 New
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              Indeed, the Author today, like Prometheus, has ignited a great many farts. Their "zeal" in the "impotence of Siberia" to direct them, you see, there would be no need for an "additional" 900 km, and the Chinese "sticks in wheels" were blown away by pressure. And then these characters ate on the "bean" feeding at the "chief chef", and all the "attempts" and "breakthroughs" to the wind. lol
              1. forpost 28 July 2020 23: 09 New
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                just for you and ignited laughing
            5. mister-red 28 July 2020 23: 54 New
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              And there is no need to refute anything. Time will tell.
              1. GAF
                GAF 30 July 2020 19: 46 New
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                Quote: mister-red
                And there is no need to refute anything. Time will tell

                That's it. The pipelines are not going anywhere. The USSR built it and is still working properly. In a few years, the world's largest Amur gas processing complex will start operating. And what about gas with China - time will tell. So far: "In China, the share of coal generation in the country's energy balance has decreased from 68% in 2012 to 59% in 2018, but with the growth of alternative generation, coal continues to grow.
                So, recently, Chinese state banks have allocated over 35 billion dollars for the development of coal energy and 44 billion for financing projects to reduce CO2, including solar panels and wind turbines.
                For failure to fulfill obligations to reduce CO2, China may run into serious sanctions and an increase in duties on the export of its goods. So gas will be needed, among other things, to eliminate smog in their own cities ...
            6. Pissarro 29 July 2020 13: 01 New
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              There is nonsense in every line from the author of the alarmist-provocateur, even to refute laziness. You can dance dances with a tambourine, because during a pandemic in the summer, planes do not fly, factories are standing, boiler houses are not heated all over the world. But the pipe is not being built for the short term, the moth authors cannot understand this in any way.
              And who benefits from? So it is profitable for thousands of workers, the development of Siberia is profitable, for millions of whose houses gas is profitable. Now, if Gazprom fired all the nafig during the crisis, people were out of work, the author would probably have a personal brain injury.
              Although something for a certain public to justify this beads throw ...
              1. aglet 29 July 2020 21: 12 New
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                "millions to whose houses gas is profitable"
                do you mean chinese? because gas did not come to ours along the route of the pipe. even China does not have enough of it. Let me remind you - "Total entertainment with empty pipes will cost the Russian taxpayer 106 billion dollars, or 7,45 trillion rubles." damages, damages only. what is there against this background, a thousand workers, joyfully earned their pennies?
            7. Paranoid50 29 July 2020 14: 45 New
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              Quote: Stroporez
              and Skomorokhov wrote the correct article.

              wassat wassat wassat
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          2. forpost 28 July 2020 23: 07 New
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            Truly, solid tryndezh
          3. flicker 29 July 2020 01: 09 New
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            The author does not get used to spreading misinformation on VO.
            He has something to fill his "empty pipes" laughing
        2. Tatyana 28 July 2020 13: 07 New
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          According to information in December 2018 years we were told that:
          1) Gazprom and Rosneft belong to the Russian Federation,
          2) and Rosneftegaz, an intermediary company between them, manages state oil and gas assets.
          But for some reason, Rosneftegaz does not want to share it with the state. In addition, on the one hand, Rosneftegaz owns huge funds, but for some reason it owns them in secret from us, hiding information about itself.
          To say more about founder Rosneftegaz liquidated and it is not clear who exactly owns the company.
          As a result, questions arise
          Who, then, owns the shares of Rosneftegaz?
          Who sits on its board of directors?
          And what is the charter of Rosneftegaz companies?

          This most relevant information, in essence, is hidden from the people until today.

          Who Really Owns Gazprom and Rosneft | Pravda glazarezhet
          • 12 dec. Oct 2018
          1. Sling cutter 28 July 2020 13: 53 New
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            Quote: Tatiana
            This most relevant information, in essence, is hidden from the people until today.

            Who Really Owns Gazprom and Rosneft | Pravda glazarezhet
            • 12 dec. Oct 2018

            Greetings Colleague! I am pleased to note that you have already begun to give a correct assessment of Putinism, which is Rosssey's gravedigger!
            1. Lexus 28 July 2020 23: 16 New
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              Tatiana, by the way, provided very indicative information. For which she THANKS A LOT! Not otherwise, here is the "fairy tale" ... The ends, of course, in the water.
              Fragment from the movie "Last year's snow was falling.", (1983)
          2. depressant 28 July 2020 14: 53 New
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            Rosneftegaz has only 10 employees. The company was created in 91 to replace the specialized Soviet ministries, was liquidated and revived.

            “At the moment, Rosneftegaz, created as a 100% state-owned company, is a company with an unclear owner. Its relationship with the government speaks in favor of the fact that it does not belong to the state.
            Indeed, Rosneftegaz owns stakes in the following companies:
            PJSC "Rosneft" 50%
            PJSC "Gazprom" - 10,97%
            OJSC Rosgazifikatsiya - 74,55%
            PJSC Inter RAO - 27,63%
            7% of the Caspian Pipeline Consortium.
            The company is going to receive or has already received control over 70% of RusHydro. FAS allowed Rosneftegaz to buy as much as 89% of the majority shareholder of the Zvezda shipyard.
            Rosneftegaz has stakes in another 75 smaller commodity companies and receives dividends from them. The profits from these enterprises from Rosneftegaz, according to experts, are astronomical. Rosneftegaz is the largest owner of Russia's natural resources.
            And with all this, over a long period of time, this allegedly state-owned company kept 75% of the profit for itself, paying only 25% to the state, allegedly to its owner. In 2015, the Russian government received nothing from Rosneftegaz at all, losing the lawsuit.
            In fact, Rosneftegaz looks like the president's pocket company. He considers it to be a kind of strategic reserve, says that it is not a way to withdraw money from the budget, but is just such a tricky part of the budget structure:
            “Yes, there is such a reserve as the money of Rosneftegaz. And we finance some things from there when the government forgets that there are priorities to pay attention to. "
            Didn't he himself appoint such a government? It's amazing that he almost dispersed it - almost ...
            Putin believes that the company's merit is that it sponsors a number of projects, even if these projects are the property of Rosneftegaz itself, and the company receives profits from these projects.
            Is this good or bad? Considering what kind of government we had, good. Trusting money to Medvedev means not respecting yourself. Considering the failed policy with gas pipelines - bad. For it is Putin who decides where to pull the pipe.
            So it turns out that the boyars are bad, and the tsar is not good, and Rosneftegaz did not help.
            In general, there is a strong impression that Putin is trying to play some of his own internal economic hunger game, assigning the government the role of a child who, no matter what amuse himself, so as not to cry.
            1. Ren
              Ren 29 July 2020 07: 29 New
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              At present, Rosneftegaz, created as a 100% state-owned company, is a company with an unclear owner.

              Owner - FEDERAL STATE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AGENCY
              OGRN - 1087746829994
              TIN - 7710723134
              Gearbox - 771001001
              1. Tatyana 29 July 2020 12: 41 New
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                Quote: Ren
                Quote: depressant
                At present, Rosneftegaz, created as a 100% state-owned company, is a company with an unclear owner.

                Owner - FEDERAL STATE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AGENCY
                OGRN - 1087746829994
                TIN - 7710723134
                Gearbox - 771001001

                What exactly do you mean by the owner of the RF property in the form of FAUGI? How many and what shares and how does he dispose of the former - pre-privatization - property of Russia?
                1. Ren
                  Ren 29 July 2020 12: 50 New
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                  Quote: Tatiana
                  What exactly do you mean by the owner of the RF property in the form of FAUGI? How many and what shares and how does he dispose of the former - pre-privatization - property of Russia?

                  The question was that the person indicated: Rosneftegaz is currently a company with an unclear owneralthough this information is transparent and public. It is not difficult to check any counterparty now. I indicated which legal entity is 100% owner - FAUGI.
                  Please enlighten:
                  How many and what shares and how does he dispose of the former - pre-privatization - property of Russia?
                2. Tatyana 29 July 2020 13: 19 New
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                  Quote: Ren
                  I indicated which legal entity is 100% owner - FAUGI.
                  The fact of the matter is that people do not quite understand what is happening behind the façade of FAUGI. What kind of "gasket" is this that the same LADY started talking about the continuation of privatization in the Russian Federation? Let me remind you in the form of a historical REFERENCE.

                  The State Committee of Russia for State Property Management was created in the early 1990s to carry out economic reform in Russia on the transition from a planned economic system to a market economy through the denationalization of the socialist economy and the formation of a class of private owners that did not exist in the USSR through the gradual privatization of state property.
                  The State Committee of the RSFSR for Property Management (GKI of the RSFSR) was formed in July 1990. The committee exercised the powers of the owner in relation to enterprises belonging to the RSFSR. Since January 21, 1991, the committee has distinguished federal property, property of the republics that are part of the RSFSR, autonomous regions, autonomous districts, territories, as well as municipal property.
                  In 1997, the State Property Committee of the RSFSR was transformed into the Ministry of State Property of the Russian Federation (Ministry of State Property of Russia).

                  The program of privatization of state and municipal enterprises in Russia for 1992 provided for 4 methods of privatization: auction, commercial competition, lease with the right to purchase, corporatization.
                  At its first stage, privatization checks were used.
                  By mid-1994, joint stock companies were established in the course of voucher privatization. At the same time, voucher privatization eliminated the monopoly of state property in the national economy and made it possible to introduce the foundations of a multi-structured market economy.
                  In the same period, a system of institutional investors was also created in the form of voucher investment funds to attract FOREIGN - MONEY - investments into the Russian economy and the entry of the domestic economy into the existing system of world economic relations.
                  Monetary privatization made it possible to withdraw a significant part of state property from under the state directive management and to involve it in the market turnover. including the land market under the privatization objects.
                  In 1998, the goal of PRIVATIZATION in the Russian Federation was to radically increase the efficiency of the functioning of Russian enterprises and the national economic complex as a whole, by creating a wide layer of effective owners, actively attracting investments in the real sector of the Russian economy, restoring the functioning of the stock market, and optimizing the structure of state property. The approach to the privatization of enterprises has now become differentiated and dependent on their liquidity. And, as a result, privatization has become, first of all, an instrument for the implementation of structural policy and development of the country's economy.
                  By Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of March 9, 2004 N 314 "On the system and structure of federal executive bodies" the Ministry of State Property of the Russian Federation was transformed into the Federal Agency for Federal Property Management.
        3. Svarog 28 July 2020 18: 23 New
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          According to information in December 2018, we were told that:
          1) Gazprom and Rosneft belong to the Russian Federation

          That's right, if we imagine that our natural resources would really belong to the state, then money would be found for everything and the standard of living would be no worse than any European country and the retirement age would not be raised and pensioners would travel abroad. Yes, there is a lot that can be done with income from our resources .. The richest country in the world with a poor population .. Paradox ..
          But we do not have the state, but LLC .. and the management of the Gauleiters .. That is why everything is so.
          1. forpost 28 July 2020 23: 03 New
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            Didn't everything belong to the people and the state under the USSR? And that pensioners traveled abroad?
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              Quote: forpost
              Didn't everything belong to the people and the state under the USSR? And that pensioners traveled abroad?

              The USSR contained half of the world, while its own citizens were on full social security, the USSR had the largest army in the world ..
              Now we do not support anyone, the population pays for everything itself, the army is 3,5 times smaller in number .. Where is Zin's money?
              1. Lexus 28 July 2020 23: 29 New
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                You "broke the template" for him now. There will be no answer, only a "smokescreen" in the style of "North American contrasting animal".
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              3. Lexus 29 July 2020 00: 04 New
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                Ask Prigogine to feed you something else. And the problem will disappear. Also, take a shower - it, among other things, also soothes.
              4. hydrox 29 July 2020 04: 18 New
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                Alexey, there is a message for you - take a look in PM.
              5. forpost 29 July 2020 08: 48 New
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                Shoot yourself and there will be no need to remember about the goodies
          2. forpost 29 July 2020 08: 50 New
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            Only you have a curtain that smokes, look at you something is cracked
        4. forpost 28 July 2020 23: 48 New
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          In the USSR, the population lived under 300 million hands, no? The USSR did not contain half the world. I don't see much difference in social security then and today.
  2. Ren
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    The founder of Rosneftegaz himself has been liquidated and who exactly owns the company is not clear.

    Owner - FEDERAL STATE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AGENCY
    OGRN - 1087746829994
    TIN - 7710723134
    Gearbox - 771001001
  • WIKI 28 July 2020 22: 58 New
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    Quote: Ren
    Net proceeds from sales of PJSC "Gazprom":

    2017- 4313. 2018- 5.180 Net profit 2017 100 billion rubles 2018 955 billion rubles How can you pay for something that isn't there? Https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazprom
  • Sam-07 28 July 2020 23: 03 New
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    https://youtu.be/ddDpdfXlMxY
  • flicker 29 July 2020 01: 29 New
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    MOSCOW, May 14. / TASS /. Five European energy companies - Gazprom's partners in the Nord Stream 2 project - have already invested almost a billion euros in its implementation, that is, almost the entire capital expenditure budget for the project in the amount of € 8 billion has already been invested.

    Especially touches the concern for taxpayers ... European laughing
    Skomorokhov made fun of, he hasn't laughed like that for a long time
    1. Akuzenka 29 July 2020 18: 00 New
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      Only made you laugh ?! Yes, almost every article of his about "how bad they are" causes laughter. He describes everything so well and emotionally that you immediately stop believing him. And so in everything, from byaki Gazprom, ending with "the cannibal Stalin." And the fact that the root lies in capitalism (not even in home-grown, but in general) is not a word. Apparently a taboo was imposed on him.
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        makes you laugh. He describes everything so well and emotionally that you immediately stop believing him.
        That yes laughing he also squeezed the same article into KONT, it seems that he took a sickly row, but obviously he cannot cope with it, he got a kick and is forced to work out the quality in quantity bully
  • Dante Alighieri 29 July 2020 07: 12 New
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    Taxes paid, other than income tax

    And now let's look at the income of the consolidated budget of the Russian Federation from taxes on personal income. persons:
    2017 - 3 billion rubles.
    2018 - 3 billion rubles.
    2019 - 3 billion rubles.
    To them, you can easily add income from VAT charges, because the costs for them are ultimately always paid by the consumer. And this:
    2017 - 5 billion rubles.
    2018 - 6 billion rubles.
    2019 - 7 billion rubles.
    The total amount that citizens put into the country's budget in 2019 - 11051,8 billion rubles! Practically in 8 times more than the state recovered from PJSC "Gazprom"!

    A reasonable question arises: whose contribution is greater and do we really need all these "effective managers"?

    PsAll figures are taken from the official website of the Ministry of Finance and are available at the link: https://minfin.gov.ru/ru/statistics/conbud/execute/?id_65=93449-yezhegodnaya_informatsiya_ob_ispolnenii_konsolidirovannogo_byudzheta_rossiiskoi_federayan_byudzheta_rossiiskoi_federayan
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      Quote: Dante
      The total amount that citizens put into the country's budget in 2019 - 11051,8 billion rubles! Almost 8 times more than the state recovered from PJSC "Gazprom"!

      A reasonable question arises: whose contribution is greater and do we really need all these "effective managers"?

      Not only unnecessary, but CATEGORICALLY HARMFUL for the country!
    2. Vlad.by 2 August 2020 02: 15 New
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      Is this a call to return to Luddism?
      Like let's destroy everything (Gazprom) and we will live, oh, how rich and fun!
      Or for each individual a separate pumping station for oil and gas and two meters of pipe?
      What are you campaigning for?
      And, by the way, what about taxes from pumping chairs and pipe meters, who will pay and from what?
  • Beregovic_1 30 July 2020 14: 31 New
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    I agree with your
  • Malyuta 28 July 2020 16: 12 New
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    Quote: your1970
    There was such a country in the USSR ...
    There was a Gas Pipe Agreement ...

    I am very sorry, but in no case should the USSR and the Russian Federation be spoken of.
    The USSR is a superpower and the second economy in the world, and the Russian Federation is a "gas station" (in a broad sense) and a country that Ebnoputinism has thrown into the category of third world countries, but with a nuclear club inherited from the USSR.
    The only thing that Putin's RF can do is lay pipes to please friends of a friend, cut the budget, plunder the national heritage and rob its own citizens.
    1. telnet 28 July 2020 18: 20 New
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      That superpower could not even provide the population with basic goods, people washed their heads with the master's soap, sugar according to coupons. we went to Moscow time for baby food, even bread after 17:00 could not be bought. The USSR imported even the most basic goods, from grain to those very pipes, and for some reason Putin's friends managed to organize the production of pipes and grain. moreover, the USSR drove oil and gas to the west, but could not even feed people with the proceeds.
      1. Observer2014 28 July 2020 21: 02 New
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        Quote: Telnet
        That superpower could not even provide the population with basic goods, people washed their heads with the master's soap, sugar according to coupons. we went to Moscow time for baby food, even bread after 17:00 could not be bought. The USSR imported even the most basic goods, from grain to those very pipes, and for some reason Putin's friends managed to organize the production of pipes and grain. what is more, the USSR drove oil and gas to the west, but it could not even feed people with the proceeds.

        Now I read you and I understand that I read the latest opinions of the Vlasovites negative These Vlasovites. Who was really a traitor in the Second World War. And who came to power in the 90s. You are Vlasovites am
        1. telnet 28 July 2020 22: 15 New
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          and I see a worthless creature who has screwed up the Motherland, who has nothing to answer the facts.
          1. Observer2014 28 July 2020 22: 23 New
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            Quote: Telnet
            and I see a worthless creature who has screwed up the Motherland, who has nothing to answer the facts.

            What are your facts? To put a song, the anthem of the Vlasovites? bully
            1. telnet 28 July 2020 22: 53 New
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              I have listed specific facts. have anything to say?
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              Quote: Telnet
              I have listed specific facts. have anything to say?
              What other facts do you have there? We’ll discuss the Vlasov anthem as verse? Vlasov will try to call am
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            4. aleksejkabanets 28 July 2020 23: 15 New
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              Quote: Telnet
              but the fact that. fart loudly with indignation?
              as it is in the Soviet way. fuck up the country and keep stinking.

              Besides rudeness, is there anything else?
            5. telnet 28 July 2020 23: 29 New
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              I have listed above the facts that do not allow us to classify the USSR as a superdrzhava. repeat?
              and the superpower could not even provide the population with basic goods
              - people washed their heads with the master's soap
              - sugar, soap according to coupons
              - went for baby food in Moscow time
              - you can't buy bread after 17:00, after lunch there is a queue even at the bakery for 20+ minutes

              the USSR imported the most primitive goods, but the basic wealth at least at the level of Egypt, the third world country could not. The USSR imported both food products and pipes and sophisticated oil and gas equipment. computers illegally copied what he could, bought for more serious objects through third countries. at our factory Ibm personnel were purchased.
            6. blackice 29 July 2020 03: 51 New
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              Are you definitely writing about the USSR?
              Sugar and soap on coupons when the USSR was practically gone.
              Do all your memories of the USSR pass from 1987 to 1991?
              That is, the apartments are free, medicine and education are no longer counted before 1987?
              Just don't write about your grandfather, who lived his whole life with his family, in the amount of 72 people, in a communal apartment of 18 sq / m.
            7. notingem 31 July 2020 21: 37 New
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              Do you see the cons? Scatter off the forum
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      2. Lexus 28 July 2020 23: 36 New
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        hi And hunt you time for this "one day" to spend? Spit!
      3. aleksejkabanets 28 July 2020 23: 52 New
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        Quote: lexus
        And hunt you time for this "one day" to spend? Spit!

        And that's true, only time to waste.
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        of course they will spit, there is nothing to answer the facts
    2. Vadim237 29 July 2020 00: 36 New
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      "And so everyone is on edge. Khabarovsk." Excuse me, what do you have to do with him? "Everything is on edge" - So just to blurt out something.
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      The answer is - like any other sane Russian.
      Or is Khabarovsk China for you?
  • aleksejkabanets 28 July 2020 23: 04 New
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    And who came to power in the 90s. You are Vlasovites

    And the flag, by the way, is very similar.
  • Andrey Stavropolsky 30 July 2020 10: 19 New
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    What the hell are you talking about? If there are no arguments, say so. A reasonable person always looks at things objectively and draws sound conclusions and does not seek to throw mud at his opponent.
  • aleksejkabanets 28 July 2020 22: 41 New
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    Quote: Telnet
    That superpower could not even provide the population with basic goods, people washed their heads with the master's soap, sugar according to coupons. we went to Moscow time for baby food, even bread after 17:00 could not be bought. The USSR imported even the most basic goods, from grain to those very pipes, and for some reason Putin's friends managed to organize the production of pipes and grain. moreover, the USSR drove oil and gas to the west, but could not even feed people with the proceeds.

    Where did you get this nonsense?
    1. Observer2014 28 July 2020 22: 47 New
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      aleksejkabanets (Alexey)
      Quote: Telnet .... Where did you get this nonsense from?
      The fact of the matter is that this is not nonsense, but a deliberate persecution of our great past. hi
      1. aleksejkabanets 28 July 2020 22: 55 New
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        The fact of the matter is that this is not nonsense, but a deliberate persecution of our great past.

        After all, I lived at that time, I remember how I washed my hair, I remember about large-diameter pipes and American (as far as I remember) sanctions, because the USSR itself began to make pipes. There were several dairy kitchens in my city, (200 thousand) as far as I remember they were free. Why make idiots out of us?
        1. telnet 28 July 2020 23: 19 New
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          then that you pissed away the country and people should understand - why that misunderstanding was exchanged for sausage, so as not to allow this again.
          in riga soap according to coupons, milk after 14 can no longer be bought, there were only triangles in the Swedish tetrapak, but the industry of the ussr could not properly glue them because they were always leaky and sour milk.
          and no need to lie about dairy kitchens, I was a first-grader, the USSR took 20 kopecks for milk, which was given during a long break.

          the USSR purchased pipes and oil and gas equipment. CIA described in detail where and what it bought
          https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000497186.pdf
        2. aleksejkabanets 28 July 2020 23: 45 New
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          Quote: Telnet
          in riga soap according to coupons, milk after 14 can no longer be bought

          What year? I was in Vilnius in 1986-87, there were no problems with food and household goods. The coupons began later, when the renegades from the CPSU began to disintegrate the USSR.
          Quote: Telnet
          there were only triangles in a German tetrapack, but the industry of the USSR could not properly glue them because they were always full of holes and sour milk.

          Maybe you have heard about the CMEA? The USSR did the same with triangular bags and tetrapacks. Do you know the leak rates in the dairy industry? These norms were not exceeded under the USSR, and they do not go beyond now. Even today you can see a carton of milk with a leak on the counter.
          Quote: Telnet
          and no need to lie about dairy kitchens, I was a first-grader, the USSR took 20 kopecks for milk, which was given during a long break.

          If you are not an alternatively gifted character, then you should understand the difference between dairy cuisine and school meals, by the way, we were fed a full lunch at a big break. To lie that milk cost 20 kopecks at school. not necessary.
          Quote: Telnet
          the USSR purchased pipes and oil and gas equipment

          Did you buy everything straight? And what kind of vomit is there on your link?
          Quote: Telnet
          then that you pissed away the country and people should understand - why that misunderstanding was exchanged for sausage, so as not to allow this again.

          Your infantilism (Puchkov has a very apt statement, for you like you) surprises me, do you have everyone like that in Riga?
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          What year? I was in Vilnius in 1986-87, there were no problems with food and household goods.

          86-87 coupons for sugar and soap, 88 meat. and this is a showcase of the capital, in the Russian outback there were coupons already in the mid-70s, you can't write off the hump

          From an anonymous letter from Kharkov received by the CPSU Central Committee in August 1975.

          There are many factories in our city, every second living in it is a worker, and what can you buy in our stores? Nothing but vodka.
          I had a wedding in January. This is the brightest day in life. And they began to prepare for it in advance. Let's go to the shop. Even sprat or saury (which in Moscow in any store in bulk) cannot be found on fire during the day. But what canned food, because you can't put them on the table alone. There is no hope for fresh vegetables and fruits in January. Let's make a fresh fish salad! And in the store, instead of fish, fresh-frozen sprat, which is so stale that Vaska's cat does not eat it. And the eggs? Last year in the summer there were a lot, and then, apparently, everyone ate them. And my fiance and I went for eggs to the city of Volzhsk, which is two hours from Kazan by train. It's good that it's so close. We see that in Volzhsk, meat is free on the shelves (pork, and beef, and chickens, and even turkeys), there has never been such a picture in Kazan. We stand and complain against each other that they took little money. After all, meat is hard to get at the bazaar in Kazan. Well, they somehow scraped it into one chicken. They wanted to knock out at the box office, but they asked us for some coupons ...

          https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/599324

          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Maybe you have heard about the CMEA? The USSR did the same with triangular bags and tetrapacks. Do you know the leak rates in the dairy industry? These norms were not exceeded under the USSR, and they do not go beyond now. Even today you can see a carton of milk with a leak on the counter.

          you will not see this in riga. and in the USSR they flowed precisely because they were produced in the USSR. the line was purchased, but there it is necessary that the technology be maintained, the glue is not loosened, but the USSR ...

          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Did you buy everything straight? And what kind of vomit is there on your link?

          it is called a historical document. not a blazer, not slogans of hamsters. historical document
      2. mister-red 29 July 2020 00: 14 New
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        and no need to lie about dairy kitchens, I was a first-grader, the USSR took 20 kopecks for milk, which was given during a long break.

        Dairy kitchens are for babies, actually. What does milk have to do with school.
        And did you drink almost a liter of milk? A liter bottle of milk cost about 35-40 kopecks, of which the mortgage price of a bottle was 20 kopecks. Don't take everyone for idiots.

        soap in riga according to coupons

        Overhaul however.
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      4. telnet 29 July 2020 09: 05 New
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        Yes. I have an alibi and I have the right to judge. after all, they pissed away not someone else's and distant country, but mine. but the trouble is not even that they pissed away mediocrely, but that they did not stop and continue to pull to the bottom.
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        There is a simple logic here. They lived without war for 70 years, then they began to criticize the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, then they began to worship the achievements of capitalism, then they exchanged the Motherland itself for McDonald's and jeans. Then 30 years passed and people still think they voted for the union ...
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    have something to dispute? try it.
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      have something to dispute? try it.

      First, self-respecting adults use the pronoun you.
      Second: what exactly to dispute? Write with a quote, so that it would be clear and your interlocutor saw what you wrote to him.
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        adults and respectful people will not refute the facts with the phrase "Where did you get this nonsense?"
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        Quote: Telnet
        adults and respectful people will not refute the facts with the phrase "Where did you get this nonsense?"

        Your so-called "facts" are the lies and delirium of a gray mare on a moonless night. See my comments above. Did your mom teach you how to speak politely as a child?
  • mister-red 29 July 2020 00: 05 New
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    Quote: Telnet
    That superpower could not even provide the population with basic goods, people washed their heads with the master's soap, sugar according to coupons. we went to Moscow time for baby food, even bread after 17:00 could not be bought. The USSR imported even the most basic goods, from grain to those very pipes, and for some reason Putin's friends managed to organize the production of pipes and grain. moreover, the USSR drove oil and gas to the west, but could not even feed people with the proceeds.

    How old are you that you write such crap.?
    For me, for example, 56. I washed my head with shampoo, and there were many of them and natural ones. By the way, they also washed it for the household, but there was a rumor that it had a good effect on the hair.
    Bread was always available at any time and inexpensively .. Sugar on coupons is a restructuring. Baby food was piled up in all stores, again, except for the perestroika years. In the course, because the first child was born in 87th. Yes, from time to time there was a shortage of something: toilet paper, sausage for example. But not all the time. Good clothes and shoes were in short supply at full shelves.
    By the way, they did not buy pipes, there was a barter deal for large-diameter pipes for the gas pipeline, the so-called gas-pipe contract.
    Yes, Russia is making progress. The USSR bought grain abroad, and Russia threw off all the freeloaders and became the largest grain exporter. Chickens are already being exported.
    1. telnet 29 July 2020 00: 21 New
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      I am younger, but I remember the bottom into which the country was turned. my family bought 2 loaves for 22 kopecks. two! now it's probably a monthly rate. meat in the sense that is now being invested was not at all. bones were and wastes of meat, how something was prepared from those bones remained a mystery to me. but I remember the first McDonald's. after the Soviet canteen, that soy shit made an indelible impression. smooth potatoes. I could not believe that this happens. I bought 10 kg per week, of which 3-4 kg was rot.
      the USSR paid for pipes and other oil and gas equipment in the well, there are CIA reports
      https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000497186.pdf
      1. AA17 29 July 2020 07: 48 New
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        Dear Telnet. "... the bottom into which the country was turned I remember ..." - Your phrase. This bottom appeared during the transition from socialism to capitalism "with a human face." There are authors of the ideology of the transition to market relations in the country: "... The population must clearly understand that the government does not guarantee a place of work and a standard of living, but guarantees only life itself ..." (Analytical note of the Association of Socio-Economic Sciences (ASEN), prepared in March 1990 and published in the June (No. 6, 1990) issue of the magazine “Century XX and the World.” ASEN was created in 1989 and headed by A. Chubais. The note is an intellectual substantiation of the turned out to be the last) of the government of the USSR under the leadership of V. Pavlov, who replaced the government of N. Ryzhkov in January 1991)
        1. telnet 29 July 2020 11: 44 New
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          Quote: AA17
          This bottom appeared during the transition from socialism to capitalism "with a human face."

          Well, again, it's not true. the bottom was pierced long before the hump. at adropov, the perimeter of our plant was patrolled by militia with dogs. dogs carl. raided shops. the bottom line was that the cantor’s divided the area into sectors, climbed out through the holes in the fence past the checkpoint and combed the shops in search of food. the police caught them with the dogs.
          people are looking for food, and the socialist state raids them with dogs. but people really have nothing to feed their children with. by 17:00 the shelves are stupidly empty.

          perestroika is only a consequence. people could not already exist in such shit. the fact that perestroika was led by largely rotten little people is also an inevitable consequence of the flawed Stalinist system. only rot without principle could occupy a warm place in the steel-built system. in the party everything was built around special canteen, special rations and departmental sanatoriums. These fucks and humps were not brought from Mars, the Communist Party purposefully cultivated this rot and imparted rotten values ​​from school. and it's not about specific characters, the whole population of a rotten country was changing the country for sausage. quite deliberately changed.
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        There was meat, otherwise how would I eat meatballs as a schoolboy. Moreover, it is not so rare.
        No, I am not from a family of party nomenklatura - I grew up without a father, my mother is an engineer.
        By the way, we received 2 apartments during my school years - first a one-room apartment in Khrushchev, and then a 2-room apartment in Novstroy.
        The bones were a soup set. The chickens were cyanotic, but without hormones. Potatoes and vegetables in general, yes, no one would buy this now. We usually bought potatoes not in the store, brought them to the enterprise by cars from Beorussia and Ukraine, bought several bags at once. Usually the potatoes were good, but there were problems with harnessing.
        However, everything was at the bazaar. And there were also Koptorgov shops, where heaps of everything, even smoked sausage. But for 8-10 rubles. In general, the deficit is a consequence of low prices.
        And in the stores, they sold a ham and pensioners stood behind it. Now many retirees can afford it?
        And I was surprised by all the same pensioners who bought very heavy cream in small tregol bags, it seems 250g each - in the first place they were expensive, and in the second they were somehow not very good for health in old age. I tried to drink one time, I couldn't, it was too cloying. At that time they did not put in coffee or tea, so they just drank it. Now the cream is not even put where the usual milk is, but separately, with a shelf life of almost a couple of years.
        By the way, we started to make bread better than under the USSR just 10 years ago, the competition is forcing. And before that, you can't compare.
        And don't forget about the communal apartment, which cost a penny. I was always surprised when it slipped in foreign films that again the bills have to be paid, everything is expensive. I could not understand in any way that they were paying for everything there. Now I know.
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      My mother still advises me to wash my head with laundry soap. And she herself had a huge collection of very different soaps. Her hobby was collecting such soap. I liked the colored labels and the smell. All this collection of Soviet soap was spent somewhere in the 90s.
  • AA17 29 July 2020 00: 49 New
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    Dear Telnet. "... that superpower could not even provide the population with basic goods ...". What you have listed is not the most important thing. You are just very young, and if you are not young, then your Memory has disappeared. That Superpower earned respect in the WORLD. European countries behaved ingratiatingly in negotiations on world problems. The United States respected the military potential of the USSR and did not behave as brazenly as it is now. That Superpower provided free housing to most of its population. In That Superpower, medicine, education, vouchers to sanatoriums, vouchers to pioneer camps were free, housing and communal services were of symbolic importance, for children free sports sections and free classes in various circles at the Palaces of Pioneers. That Superpower defeated Nazi Germany in the 1941-1945 war. under the leadership of I.V. Stalin. She was the first in the world to launch a satellite into Space, to launch a spaceship with a Man into Earth orbit. Manufactured products in the USSR accounted for more than 20% of world GDP. And you: "... could not even provide the population with basic goods, people washed their heads with the master's soap, sugar according to coupons. They went to Moscow time for baby food, even bread after 17:00 could not be bought. The USSR imported even the most basic goods ... ". How did you get it small, pale and mean.
    P.S. “I don’t like generalizations. And the categorical expression“ anti-Soviet always Russophobe ”always jarred me.
    But, damn it, why did absolutely all the anti-Soviets that I met on my way turn out to be Russophobes? There have been no exceptions yet. "(C)
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    It's strange I washed my head with shampoo and bought sugar without coupons and there were heaps of bread in a nearby bakery .. are you talking about Pakistan Cholet?
  • telobezumnoe 2 August 2020 12: 13 New
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    when were you born? here I live in a city that used to be a pillar of the radio-electronic industry, where everything was produced, from transistors, resistors and microcircuits, to complex equipment using this component base, there were scientists developing and building automated lines, producing unique electric motors that were reliable and did not require maintenance , produced their own TVs, etc. .. even dozens of aircraft were produced, with domestic avionics .. and now? where is it all?
  • mister-red 28 July 2020 23: 56 New
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    a country that eboputinism threw in the category of third world countries, but with a nuclear club,

    I am embarrassed to ask - where did Yeltsinism throw Russia away, don't you remember?
  • Vadim237 29 July 2020 00: 30 New
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    You have a gas station instead of a gray matter in your skull - apparently a serious pathology.
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    You forgot to add that Russia took first place in grain exports in 19/20. Not with all the "gas station". Still on the construction of nuclear power plants in the world, also in the top)
  • Freeman 28 July 2020 18: 56 New
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    Quote: your1970
    There was such a country in the USSR ...
    There was a Gas Pipe Agreement ...
    We have built gas pipelines, everything is great ...
    Neither Timchenko nor Rotenbergs were observed, of course ...
    And then the oil crisis of the 70s happened and gas fell in price for the company with oil ...
    And for two years the USSR pumped gas to Europe is free, quite practically - the operating costs barely covered
    And even the social camp ...

    belay FAQ-oh-oh? !!!
    From what sources did you learn that in 1973, the "oil crisis" caused by the "oil embargo", which was imposed by the Arab countries against the countries that supported Israel in the "Six Day War" - led to a drop in oil prices ??
    On the contrary, prices have increased significantly. It was after this "crisis" that the USSR "got on the oil needle".
    The fourth Arab-Israeli war caused an embargo on the supply of Middle East oil to Western countries, The Soviet Union became an almost monopoly supplier of energy resources and earned a lot of petrodollars from this.

    The situation developed at lightning speed. Already on October 8, 1973, on the second day of the Yom Kippur War, negotiations on the price of oil between the Arab organization of exporting countries, AOPEC, and the main consumers were curtailed in Vienna. Eight days later,Our oil prices soar to $ 7,15 / barrel, although during the sixties it was kept at $ 3-4 / barrel. On October XNUMX, King Faisal of Saudi Arabia announced the cessation of oil supplies to the United States, Western Europe and South Africa. The decision was supported by other Arab countries, including Japan in the list of countries under the oil embargo.

    https://finance.rambler.ru/markets/41523924/utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink


    After the energy crisis of 1973, the USSR quickly increased the volume of oil exports to Western countries, which, unlike allies in the socialist camp, were paying in hard currency. From 1970 to 1980, this figure increased 1,5 times - from 44 to 63,6 million tons. After another five years, it reached 80,7 million tons. 3 And ​​all this against the background of rapidly growing oil prices.

    The volume of foreign exchange earnings of the USSR from oil exports are amazing. If in 1970 the revenue of the USSR was $ 1,05 billion, then in 1975 it was already $ 3,72 billion, and by 1980 it had increased to $ 15,74 billion. Almost 15 times! This was a new factor in the country's development.

    https://rg.ru/2016/04/25/rodina-neft.html

    This statistic shows average annual prices for certain types of OPEC oil

    Shl. But in 1986, the same "Saud" significantly dropped oil prices and the collapse of the economy began to accelerate in the USSR.
    1. your1970 28 July 2020 19: 28 New
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      You have forgotten the main thing - the Gas Pipe Agreement was credit... If it hadn't been for the price spike in 1973, we still don't know how much gas would have pumped for nothing ...
      1. Freeman 28 July 2020 20: 06 New
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        Quote: your1970
        You have forgotten the main thing - the Gas Pipe Agreement was credit... If it hadn't been for the price spike in 1973, we still don't know how much gas would have pumped for nothing ...

        Quote from the tutorial
        loans provided by Western European banks to cover imports of equipment, pipes and various materials as part of the gas-pipes deal. This deal ensured the supply of Soviet natural gas to the FRG, Austria, Italy, France and other countries. Under this program, the USSR received loans for $ 11 billion, which began to be repaid in 1984.

        source:
        Popova G.V. State credit and public debt: Textbook. manual / RSEU "RINH". - Rostov-n / D, 2004 .-- p. 269 ​​.-- ISBN 5 - 7972 - 0750 - 8.
        https://bib.convdocs.org/v19793/?cc=1&page=4
        1. telnet 28 July 2020 22: 25 New
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          and not only pipes. CIA report
          SOVIET ECONOMIC DEPENDENCE ON THE WEST, 1982

          During the 1970s the USSR bought about $ 5 billion worth of oil and gas equipment from the West - about $ 800 million worth from United States alone. (These figures exclude large-diameter pipe, discussed on page 19) The Soviets continue to purchase Western eqipment to minimize the fall of production in declining fields ...
          ...
          The Soviets plan to nearly double the amount of drilling for oil and gas in 1981-1985 and to increase it futher in the late 1980s, but their drilling productivity is poor by international standarts. Western rings, drill pipe, tool joints, drill bits, blow-out preventors, and drilling - fluid technology alreadfy provide substanial aid to Soviet drilling efforts.
          ...
          Gas Pipeline Equipment. Althought the CEMA countries produce most of their own oil pipeline equipment the USSR relies extensively on the West for gas pipeline equipment - large-diameter pipe and valves, compressors, and pipelayers. The USSR imported 10-12 million tons of pipe in the past decade at a cost of $ 4-5 billion.
  • unaha 28 July 2020 12: 09 New
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    This topic received more or less widespread attention 2 years ago with:
    "On May 22, Sberbank CIB fired analyst Alexander Fek, who in his report criticized the management of Gazprom for ineffective decisions. The document, prepared by Fack with the participation of another Sberbank CIB analyst Anna Kotelnikova, hit the media on May 21, although it is intended for wide distribution. was not - only the company's clients were supposed to see it. It said that the main benefit from the construction of gas pipelines abroad would be received not by Gazprom shareholders, but by contractor companies associated with friends of Russian President Vladimir Putin. "
    If you look at the situation logically - and so it turns out. But this is probably the main "merit" of the state, which uses Gazprom for political purposes. But it doesn't seem very effective, to put it mildly.
  • Nasrat 28 July 2020 12: 41 New
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    Quote: Tatiana

    With regard to the gas and oil industry of the Russian Federation, everything that has been said above looks like a deliberate bankruptcy by the Russian leaders of the entire gas and oil industry in Russia and then with its complete and final "resale" for a penny (simply transferring) to foreign owners in terms of CONTINUING the collective West (USA) COLNIZATION of Russia.


    How has oil and gas processing changed over 18 years?

    Below the video is a list of factories from the video. There are 17 of them, it turns out at the giant plant every year.


    To understand the scale - the cost of two stages of modernization of the Omsk refinery is 600 billion rubles, and the construction of the Tatarstan oil refining complex in Nizhnekamsk is estimated at 384 billion rubles.
  • Nasrat 28 July 2020 12: 56 New
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    A list of petrochemical plants built from scratch over the past 18 years, each of which was worth hundreds of billions of rubles.

    Oil refinery Khabarovsk,
    Refinery Northern Kuzbass,
    Refinery Anzhersky,
    Yayskiy Refinery
    Omsk Refinery,
    Omsk Polypropylene Plant
    Refinery Antipinsky,
    Orsk Refinery
    Gazprom neftekhim Salavat,
    Refinery Bitumen
    Bashneft-UNPZ,
    Bashneft-Novoil
    Lukoil-Permnefteorgsintez
    Nizhnekamskneftekhim
    Tatarstan Oil Refining Complex (TANECO)
    Kuibyshev Refinery
    Novokuibyshevsk Refinery
    Syzran Refinery
    Saratov Refinery
    LUKOIL-Volgogradneftepererabotka
    Lukoil-Nizhegorodnefteorgsintez
    Tuapse Refinery
    Refinery Afipsky
    Ilskiy refinery
    RusVinyl
    Refinery Novoyaroslavsky
    Ryazan Refinery
    NOVATEK-Ust-Luga
    Oil refinery Kirishsky,
    Novoshakhtinsky refinery
    Moscow Refinery
    Novourengoy gas chemical complex,
    SIBUR-Khimprom
    GPP Permsky
    GPP Astrakhan
    ZapSibNeftekhim,
    Tobolsk Petrochemical Plant
    Refinery Stavrolen,
    Komsomolsky refinery
    Angarsk Refinery
    Achinsk Refinery
    Refinery Gazprom Neft Orenburg

    From the USSR we got an industry in which, for example, the output of gasoline was about 70%, the rest is fuel oil - waste of petrochemical production. Fuel oil was burned in boilers and power plants, killing nature; it was exported in large volumes. More than 30% of the produced oil - fuel oil, waste
    Today Russia does not export fuel oil and almost does not produce it. Fuel oil production in 2019 amounted to 47,3 million tonnes, which is the lowest figure in more than 50 years.

    Finished products, such as diesel fuel, gasoline, polymers, took its place in the export of oil products. Because the global restructuring of the industry made it possible to achieve oil refining at many refineries. On average, the oil refining depth in 100 was 2019%, (the average European level), whereas in 82,7 it was 1999%.

    The volume of oil refining in 2019 amounted to 290 million tons. - 3rd place in the world: after the United States (approximately 800 million tons in 2019) and China (more than 650 million tons), but ahead of India (250 million tons) . That is, today we process about 60% of the oil produced in the country inside the country.

    And, what pleases, we do not stop there. Today we have already exceeded the indicators of the USSR in oil and gas processing, and we have done this at a new technological level, having built a new industry - much more efficient. But a number of giant factories are being built in the country today, which will soon lead our country to the absolute leaders in many areas of oil refining, allowing in many cases to abandon the export of crude oil, replacing it with products of deep processing. This is an obvious strategy for our country, which has been actively pursued over the past 18 years.
    1. Undecim 28 July 2020 13: 16 New
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      A list of petrochemical plants built from scratch over the past 18 years, each of which was worth hundreds of billions of rubles.
      You don't need to lie. Offhand checked the Syzran oil refinery, put into operation in 1942.
      1. Nasrat 28 July 2020 13: 29 New
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        Quote: Undecim
        A list of petrochemical plants built from scratch over the past 18 years, each of which was worth hundreds of billions of rubles.
        You don't need to lie. Offhand checked the Syzran oil refinery, put into operation in 1942.

        From 2012 to 2016, this enterprise underwent a complete modernization ... in fact, we received a new enterprise - what is wrong? for example, I posted the video above ... they compare what it was, what it became ..
        And this is news from 16

        1. Undecim 28 July 2020 13: 31 New
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          You don’t understand the difference between "built from scratch" and "completely modernized"? Or are you kidding?
          1. Nasrat 28 July 2020 13: 37 New
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            You don’t understand the difference between "built from scratch" and "completely modernized"? Or are you kidding?

            Well, if you cling to words, then yes, there is a difference, but in fact the output is a completely new enterprise ... Are wording more important to you? Or a running enterprise? And the question was (comrade Tatyana) that everything in the oil and gas industry is leading to bankruptcy, I posted data that this is not so, you clung to the wording ...
            1. Undecim 28 July 2020 13: 43 New
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              Now you have already begun to play up, it seems like someone clings to the words. You wrote directly and unambiguously: "Built from scratch." This means - from scratch. It turned out that it was not completely empty and not from scratch. Do you remember Bulgakov? "I congratulate you, citizen, you shit ... lied!"
              1. Nasrat 28 July 2020 13: 46 New
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                Quote: Undecim
                Now you have already begun to play up, it seems like someone clings to the words. You wrote directly and unambiguously: "Built from scratch." This means - from scratch. It turned out that it was not completely empty and not from scratch. Do you remember Bulgakov? "I congratulate you, citizen, you shit ... lied!"

                My friend, if the old "Khrushchev" is demolished and a new house is being built in its place, this does not mean that the new house was not built from scratch ...
                Do you see the fact of bankruptcy of these enterprises? Here Comrad Tatiana sees!
              2. Undecim 28 July 2020 13: 50 New
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                My friend, as a person who built and reconstructed houses and factories, I can tell you that you are engaged in verbiage.
              3. Nasrat 28 July 2020 13: 55 New
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                My friend, as a person who built and reconstructed houses and factories, I can tell you that you are engaged in verbiage.

                Let me do verbiage, if you like it so much ... But the fact that the factories are not bankrupt, I hope you won't deny? How would you comment on the comrade Tatiana? Will she be verbiage or not? Where is your adherence to principles? Builder...
              4. Undecim 28 July 2020 14: 05 New
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                This is a completely different question - the influence of propaganda on the minds of citizens. As a result, people are afraid of Babai in childhood, and when they grow up, of the Collective West.
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                Quote: Undecim
                This is a completely different question - the influence of propaganda on the minds of citizens. As a result, people are afraid of Babai in childhood, and when they grow up, of the Collective West.

                Now you have started playing ... laughing The only thing is that at least I came out with some information, and you just for "hook" ... Well, okay, these are now such internet battles in vogue ...
              6. Undecim 28 July 2020 14: 22 New
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                In my opinion, my answer is very clear and clearly shows my attitude to the comment, which you mentioned. Or do you only accept the wording of the police protocol?
              7. Nasrat 28 July 2020 14: 36 New
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                Ornateness on one issue and stoop to parsing the meanings of words on another issue do not imply the same commentator's approach ...
                However, I don't care ... I gave out information - those who are really interested in the problems of the oil and gas sector of the economy may be interested, but for those who are just like a thorn in the eye, just for irritation, which is no longer a bad thing .. it turns out - in fact I killed two birds with one stone !!! Thank you for the conversation and goodbye. .. At least you were polite, for which I respect you.
              8. Lexus 28 July 2020 23: 41 New
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                You have an iron grip, Viktor Nikolaevich. My regards. hi
        2. Olgovich 28 July 2020 20: 21 New
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          Quote: Nasr
          Let me do verbiage, if you like it so ...

          Dear Evlampy, as a person who has been building and reconstructing houses and factories for more than a dozen years, I can tell you that you are absolutely right, and it is your opponent who is engaged in verbiage: to carry out a deep modernization of the antediluvian crumbling wreck, in most cases, is not cheaper, but much more expensive and harder than building a factory from scratch.

          For you have to first demolish, dismantle, cut, take out, dispose of, rehabilitate, and only then build, assemble and adjust.
  • Xenofont 28 July 2020 15: 55 New
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    Don't you understand that since 42, only the land under the enterprise has remained? Everything related to production is new. You play it up, adjusting the facts to fit your theory.
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    that since 42, only land remained under the enterprise?

    land crammed with rubbish of old communications, flooded, dirtied, poisoned, loaded with thousands of tons of dilapidated dangerous structures that need to be found, excavated, cut, dismantled, taken out, disposed of, and only then, in fact, build - anew.
  • Xenofont 28 July 2020 21: 32 New
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    Exactly. The work is huge, and everyone who believes that the Soviet legacy could function forever and endlessly is either naive or trying to discredit the current industry. The government, for one reason or another, is interested in development, albeit a point one.
  • Stas157 28 July 2020 15: 41 New
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    Quote: Nasr
    List built from scratch petrochemical plants over the past 18 years.

    Quote: Undecim
    You don't need to lie. Offhand checked the Syzran oil refinery, put into operation in 1942.

    Checked out a couple too. The result is the same!
    Orsk Refinery was commissioned on December 24 1935 years.
    Omsk Refinery in 1955 year.

    So the above list of factories, they say, built from scratch, It turned out to be pure bullshit.
    1. Nasrat 28 July 2020 15: 53 New
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      Quote: Stas157

      Orsk Refinery was commissioned on December 24 1935 years.
      Omsk Refinery in 1955 year.

      .


      I attached a video, but you haven't watched it: watching Orsk 1,47 min. Omsk 0,33 min., Syzran Refinery 5,37 min .. I think it will become clear from the video what I was talking about ...

    2. Lexus 28 July 2020 23: 57 New
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      Stas, you rarely spoil us with your sparkling comments. Whatever the different "NasRati" say, I know firsthand how these "zeros" are born. The Ryazan refinery, for example, was "modernized" thanks to used equipment from the Netherlands, and as far as I remember, this "best deal" made Dutch / Shell incredibly happy. I dare to believe that other refineries are no exception. There, probably, some "Chevrons" and "Totals" got rich.
  • forpost 28 July 2020 22: 58 New
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    It is cheaper to build from scratch more often, or don't you understand? Or are you kidding?
    1. aglet 29 July 2020 21: 50 New
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      "More often it is cheaper to build from scratch or do you not understand? Or are you fooling?"
      and what is there in this list built from scratch? all-Soviet legacy
      1. forpost 29 July 2020 23: 51 New
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        I don’t know, I said that it’s cheaper to build something new, or do I not understand?
  • 2 Level Advisor 28 July 2020 20: 43 New
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    and the Tuapse Refinery was launched in 1929 .. Elampy wrote
    "List of greenfield petrochemical plants in the last 18 years."
    Then he began to speak-re-instruction is a new one .. and who is engaged in verbiage?
    1. Vadim237 29 July 2020 00: 47 New
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      In fact, everything that was demolished and new ones were built.
      1. 2 Level Advisor 29 July 2020 09: 13 New
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        Tuapse Refinery "The refinery reconstruction project began in 2017." In fact, nothing has been demolished yet, they are just reconstructing and demolishing nothing yet, in fact, everything is working soviet today, although construction is underway. I will repeat the question, who is engaged in verbiage, saying that this is a new plant built from scratch, operating today? during the reconstruction, only the columns themselves and the main equipment are changed, and the plant is somewhat larger, so in any case it will not work to talk about "from scratch", in fact ..
      2. aglet 29 July 2020 21: 53 New
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        "In fact, everything that was demolished and built new ones."
        and you try to demolish an entire refinery and build a new one. in the current realities this is impossible - no one and no reason. and they will build for 20 years
  • Vadim237 29 July 2020 00: 42 New
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    "Offhand checked the Syzran refinery, commissioned in 1942". And he still works on equipment for 42 years?
  • aglet 29 July 2020 21: 46 New
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    "A list of petrochemical plants built from scratch over the past 18 years. Each of these plants was worth hundreds of billions of rubles.
    You don't need to lie. Offhand checked the Syzran oil refinery, commissioned in 1942. "
    LLC Stavrolen-Prikumskiy plastics plant-1975. probably the overwhelming majority was built in the ussr, then it was only modernized slowly
  • forty-eighth 28 July 2020 13: 39 New
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    Almost the entire list is Soviet enterprises. Built 50-80 years ago, including the Kuibyshevsky refinery, the Novokuibyshevsky refinery, the Syzran refinery, the Moscow refinery and many, many others.
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      Quote: forty-eighth
      Almost the entire list is Soviet enterprises. Built 50-80 years ago, including the Kuibyshevsky refinery, the Novokuibyshevsky refinery, the Syzran refinery, the Moscow refinery and many, many others.

      Yes, but they are completely rebuilt ... as if a new apartment building was built on the site of the old "Khrushchev" building ...
      1. aglet 29 July 2020 22: 05 New
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        And what, they were all rebuilt yesterday? They were modernized for the entire service life, including in Soviet times. the fact that some of them have been rebuilt in the past 18 years does not mean anything yet
    2. Xenofont 28 July 2020 15: 57 New
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      Yes, nothing Soviet remained of them. Have you heard about the depreciation of fixed assets?
      1. aglet 29 July 2020 22: 09 New
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        "Yes, there is nothing Soviet from them"
        they themselves stayed. if they had not been built under the Soviets, they would never have been built now
  • SOVIET UNION 2 28 July 2020 13: 51 New
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    Well, why don't gas and petrol prices fall with so many refineries? With such a number of refineries, there should be an overproduction crisis and a fall in prices! Why is this not happening in Russia? Did we lie? Capitalism in Russia is the wrong system? Or are factories only on paper? Or maybe all products are traded for currency? Why is there no crisis of overproduction and price declines?
    1. Nasrat 28 July 2020 13: 53 New
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      Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
      With such a number of refineries, there should be an overproduction crisis and a fall in prices!

      Who told you that? Why do you sacredly believe in this?
    2. 2 Level Advisor 29 July 2020 09: 15 New
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      but because 90 percent of what is produced, for example, by the Tuapse Oil Refinery is exported .. they pay more there, so capitalism in this case is just that system ..
  • Most kind 28 July 2020 15: 34 New
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    The Khabarovsk refinery has also been standing for a long time, it belongs to the NNK Alliance, it has been modernized, yes, there seems to be Turkish equipment, 95 gasoline seems to be nothing, but it costs a lot
    1. Nasrat 28 July 2020 16: 03 New
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      Quote: Most Kind
      The Khabarovsk refinery has also been standing for a long time, it belongs to the NNK Alliance, it has been modernized, yes, there seems to be Turkish equipment, 95 gasoline seems to be nothing, but it costs a lot

      Request to review the video on the Khabarovsk refinery, I have already posted it here several times ... you will understand everything about what is at stake ... The video begins with the Khabarovsk refinery
  • Malyuta 28 July 2020 16: 44 New
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    Quote: Nasr
    A list of petrochemical plants built from scratch over the past 18 years, each of which was worth hundreds of billions of rubles.

    You look ridiculous, basically these factories were inherited from the USSR and were privatized for pennies by ebnoputinism. In addition, the indicated amounts for "reconstruction" can be safely divided by 2, since the second part has already safely "left" for offshore.
    And now the question is, why is there such shitty gasoline / diesel fuel at the super-duper reconstructed factories and at the same time so expensive?
    Evlampy, enough to wrap cotton wool in your ears, there are grown-up UNCLE ...
    1. Lexus 29 July 2020 00: 17 New
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      Remember the story of importing equipment with feathers and faeces inside for a poultry farm in the midst of the bird flu? It would be surprising if such a "trick" was not attempted in the oil and gas sector. And others, others.
    2. Vadim237 29 July 2020 00: 53 New
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      "There are grown-ups UNCLE .." Nope - here are senile and all sorts of whiners. And at the expense of gasoline I refueled in the Astrakhan region of the Volgograd Moscow Voronezh region - the fuel is normal.
  • SARANCHA1976 1 August 2020 01: 38 New
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    Most of all, the prices for gas stations are great - a cool strategy
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    You can't get a job off the street in everything related to oil. Even though you will be a specialist three times. Take only out of acquaintance.
  • NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 32 New
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    Quote: Tatiana
    looks like a deliberate bankruptcy by Russian leaders of the entire gas and oil industry in Russia and then with its complete and final "resale" for a penny (simply transfer) to foreign owners

    why so hard?
    why Putin has suspended the transfer of Yukos (Rosneft) to multinational companies? to pass in 20 years?
    looks like .... you have a very short memory!
    1. Lexus 29 July 2020 00: 20 New
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      They forgot Tatiana with the "duty" question to "bestow" whether she is from Ukraine or not. FSE memory! laughing
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        They forgot Tatiana with the "duty" question to "bestow" whether she is from Ukraine or not.

        did not forget! just, the Americans turned off the Internet for me))))))))))))
    2. SARANCHA1976 1 August 2020 01: 44 New
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      You would give a wallet from which you can take money
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    I absolutely agree with the author! Itself has often paid attention to this.
    And I will say even more ...


    Not. You don't have to agree with the respected Author. And emotionally talk about things that you don't know very well. Even if you are a "marshal".

    Let's start with the main thing. From cod.

    The only strange thing is that in 2018 and 2019, the pipeline was driven without bothering with cod, but in 2020, cod turned out to be more important. And it is near the island of Bornholm.


    Just "bother". Because, unlike you, dear Author, we knew that the Baltic cod spawns from May to October in only three regions - in the Bornholm, Gdansk and Gotland depressions. The Gdansk Basin lies away from the "thread", but the builders passed the islands of Gotland and Bornholm in the autumn-winter-spring period.

    http://www.fish-seafood.ru/news/detail.php_ID=43773.html

    Where and when was SP2 stopped? That's right, in the Bornholm island area ... December 23, 2019. When can you formally continue construction? That's right, in November 2020.

    Further...

    Denmark is against it. And after all, how beautifully the descendants of Hamlet put a spoke in the wheels ... They sank thousands of tons of ammunition (where they got it - that's the question!) ...


    And here is the answer. The Danes did not sink any ammunition. These are the Anglo-American allies in 1945, thus getting rid of captured German chemical weapons. Part of it was flooded just in the areas of the Bornholm and Gotland troughs. It is even strange that the author who writes so actively on this site does not know such things.

    Details can be found, for example, here ...
    https://lv.sputniknews.ru/world/20170330/4314934/Baltijskoe-more-himoruzhie-VOV-utilizacija.html

    Quoting the Author

    So all this will drag on for a long time, the only question is, at whose expense. Meanwhile, the cost of SP-2 is approaching 10 billion.


    You can hardly be considered an expert in this matter. So far, the facts indicate that 93% of the pipeline has been built. If it is possible to convince the Danes that the spawning area has been passed, then construction will begin in September, if not, in November. Completion time 2-3 months.

    Recent data

    On July 6, 2020, the Danish energy agency DEA authorized the continuation of the pipeline construction, taking into account the use of new pipe-laying vessels. Piping can be resumed on 3 August 2020. [79]

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BA_%E2%80%94_2#2019

    At whose expense? It is clear for whom - the Swiss company Nord Stream 2 AG. Your money, dear author, will definitely not be needed.

    I will clarify the cost. Approaching 9.5 billion euros. As planned from the beginning.

    Utopia turns out in the literal sense. And if you count everything ...


    "Utopia" is exactly what you get. You are drowning in unreliability (let's say). The reality is different.
    Now let's count. Arithmetic never scared me.

    The construction operator is the Swiss company Nord Stream 2 AG.

    Nord Stream 2 AG is a project company established for the planning, construction and subsequent operation of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. The company is headquartered in Zug, Switzerland. PJSC Gazprom is the founder of Nord Stream 2 AG

    https://www.nord-stream2.com/ru/kompaniia/aktsioner-i-investory/

    The project cost is 9,5 billion euros, of which half is financed by European companies Engie, OMV, Shell, Uniper and Wintershall. Thus, Gazprom's expenses will amount to 4.75 billion euros. Taking into account the latest events - about 5 billion euros.

    But the Author, together with his friend Calculator, produced something completely different.

    And the people are paying for all this disgrace... Which once again raise prices. But which once again, with shouts of "Glory!" expresses confidence in the whole matter.

    Indeed, we live in interesting times ...

    And what do we end up with? Calculator, your way out!

    Nord Stream 2 - 10 billion dollars, or 700 billion rubles.


    Author! Show your finger for what "disgrace" and what kind of "people" are paying? It is paid by Gazprom and European firms. And where did you expect "10 billion dollars, or 700 billion rubles"?

    I don't even want to reflect on the rest of the article.

    I suggest the Author look here
    https://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81+%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC&oq=%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81+%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B9&aqs=chrome.1.0l8.11390j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
    and look at the price of Gazprom shares over the past 5 years.

    Why is the rate today, 27.06.20/2014/2015, higher than it was in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, XNUMX and in the first half of XNUMX?
    Why was the rate soaring by 60% in the second half of 2019, when Gazprom's expenses were at their maximum?
    And most importantly, why don't majority and minority shareholders run if your article has anything to do with reality?
    1. Liam 28 July 2020 23: 10 New
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      Quote: crashing
      of which half are financed by European companies Engie, OMV, Shell, Uniper and Wintershall.

      It's just a pity that these respected companies "finance" loans to Gazprom at% and which Gazprom must return regardless of whether the pipeline is completed, it will work, and even more so make a profit. "Financiers" risk absolutely nothing, regardless of the fate of the pipeline. All risks are Gazprom
      1. bolt 29 July 2020 00: 02 New
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        It's just a pity that these respected companies "finance" loans to Gazprom at% and which Gazprom must return regardless of whether the pipeline is completed, it will work, and even more so make a profit. "Financiers" risk absolutely nothing, regardless of the fate of the pipeline. All risks are Gazprom


        This is not true. It is not Gazprom financed, but Nord Stream 2 AG. Interestingly, Gazprom finances it on the same terms.
        https://ria.ru/20170615/1496567230.html
        1. Liam 29 July 2020 00: 18 New
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          Financed not by Gazprom, but by Nord Stream 2 AG

          Who is the only owner of 100% of the shares of Nord Stream 2 AG. Is it not Gazprom? Loans are to be repaid to him. They are given under the guarantees of Gazprom. So the financial risks are exclusively Gazprom. But the proceeds (not to be confused with profit) will be shared with the very creditors. This is in addition to the return of loans. Pay for lobbying these companies in the matter of promotion the project
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            Quote: Liam
            Quote: crashing
            Financed not by Gazprom, but by Nord Stream 2 AG

            Who is the only owner of 100% of the shares of Nord Stream 2 AG. Is it not Gazprom?


            Exactly. Therefore, Gazprom will be in charge of the revenue, profit, and the gas pipeline itself. In accordance with applicable law.

            The details of the financial agreements between the project participants, for example, are not known to me. I will not fantasize. But no one will pay anyone for "lobbying" there. "Lobbying" exactly what?
            1. 2 Level Advisor 1 August 2020 10: 41 New
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              And also to dispose of expenses ... In general, you screwed up a little, saying that Gazprom's expenses are only half, while the return of loans is even more than just a return of half of the amount ...
      2. Lexus 29 July 2020 00: 26 New
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        All risks of Gazprom

        “They drowned,” and Gazprom gladly delegated them to the inhabitants. You will see "bonuses" in payment for utilities very soon. Whether you like it or not, you will have to materially support the "national nonstoyanie".
        1. bolt 29 July 2020 07: 40 New
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          All risks of Gazprom

          “They drowned,” and Gazprom gladly delegated them to the inhabitants. You will see "bonuses" in payment for utilities very soon. Whether you like it or not, you will have to materially support the "national nonstoyanie".


          I am a grown boy and have been living on my own for a long time. Without mom and dad. Therefore, I pay my own payments. And I know that I don't pay anything to Gazprom. And I pay the local organization about 65 rubles for gas. Per month.

          What robbers! Even if now it will be 100, I will somehow survive.
    2. aglet 29 July 2020 22: 16 New
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      "So far, the facts indicate that 93% of the gas pipeline has been built."
      even if 99,99% is built, the pipeline will not work.
      "And most importantly, why the majority and minority shareholders do not run,"
      why should they run, they are well fed here too
    3. SARANCHA1976 1 August 2020 01: 47 New
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      Didn't know that cod spawns 11 months a year, very interesting
  • Trotil42 29 July 2020 14: 56 New
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    God loves Putin ... jumped off the oil needle ... and with all the foolishness landed on the gas strap ... tin ... maybe back on the needle?Wise Miller advises to deepen this topic ..
  • Sergej1972 28 July 2020 11: 22 New
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    I don't like either homosexuals or Vlasov's Klimov.
    1. bober1982 28 July 2020 11: 25 New
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      I don't like either homosexuals or Vlasov's Klimov.

      I don’t like Lenin, but I studied in good faith.
      1. tatra 28 July 2020 11: 40 New
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        Those who do not love Lenin on the territory of the USSR generally have no one and nothing good for their country and people, only that 70 years under Soviet power, that 30 years after their capture of the USSR, only stupid, irrational malice AGAINST everything Soviet.
        1. bober1982 28 July 2020 11: 42 New
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          Oh, Irina, and who loved him on the territory of the USSR, only Inessa Armand
          1. tatra 28 July 2020 11: 48 New
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            Ha, that's the cowardly essence of Lenin's enemies, always when they talk and write about THEM, they "turn the arrows" to others. Yes, Lenin's enemies on the territory of the USSR DO NOT have good power, good System, good economy, ideology, history of their country, they have no great people and real heroes, all their "great people" and "heroes" are anti-Soviet and Russophobic. And you do not have yourself, you are all cowardly "not to blame" for what you did under Soviet power, and after you captured the USSR, and to responsibility for the seizure and dismemberment of the USSR into your "independence".
        2. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 41 New
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          Quote: tatra
          irrational malice AGAINST everything Soviet.

          it is the Soviet government who killed from 1917-1922 about 11 million. of our descendants (grandmothers / grandfathers / fathers / mothers), 2 million of our descendants left their native land. in Russia at that time there were 4 million homeless children !!!!!! FOUR MILLION CHILDREN WITHOUT PARENTS !!!!!!
          so there is no need to idealize the USSR ...
          1. krops777 28 July 2020 15: 14 New
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            it is the Soviet government who killed from 1917-1922 about 11 million. of our descendants (grandmothers / grandfathers / fathers / mothers), 2 million of our descendants left their native land. in Russia at that time there were 4 million homeless children !!!!!! FOUR MILLION CHILDREN WITHOUT PARENTS !!!!!!


            You are still modest, according to some very reliable sources this figure of losses during the years of the civil war is 20 million people.
            1. Revival 28 July 2020 23: 18 New
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              Was the Soviet government at war with the Soviet government?
              Or someone else killed?
              You have a strange civil war with one participant !?
              It seems like the "white" terror was the beginning of the chronology
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                It seems like the "white" terror was the beginning of the chronology

                chronologically, the first was the coup d'etat of the Bolsheviks - the rest is a consequence.
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                  According to chronology, at first there was, just, the February coup, without the Bolsheviks, and then in October the Revolution with the Bolsheviks
          2. Xenofont 28 July 2020 16: 00 New
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            Well, you got excited with the descendants. Mozha, ancestors. And your descendants, children and grandchildren, take care of them.
            1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 16: 15 New
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              Well, you got excited with the descendants. Mozha, ancestors

              I agree ... as if not to crack ...
        3. andrew42 28 July 2020 17: 02 New
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          Let's go without fetishes. The bronzing nature of the late USSR, apparently, did not teach anything. There is a mummy, where more reverence?
          1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 17: 20 New
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            Let's go without fetishes.

            Duc I'm writing about it!
      2. Roman123567 28 July 2020 12: 16 New
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        The conclusion suggests itself that I did not study well .. since you don’t love ..
      3. New Year day 28 July 2020 17: 22 New
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        I don’t like Lenin, but I studied in good faith.

        you can love Lenin or not, but he created the theory of the socialist revolution. According to his theory, the October Revolution took place and a revolutionary situation is brewing again.
        1. Lexus 29 July 2020 00: 33 New
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          My compliments, Dear Sylvester! hi
          They are from him, Lenin, like devils from incense, hiss and nag in the cracks.
  • mdsr 28 July 2020 11: 44 New
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    It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals
    Pederasts, not pederasts, but their authorities were able to provide them with a decent standard of living, having no oil, no gas, no timber, no gold and diamonds, no natural resources at all. And the ruling oligarchy in Russia, having all this in colossal quantities, can only provide poverty at the level of African countries. How? Well, is this how they do it? Everyone knows the answer.
    And these homosexuals surrendered to you? There, they have freedom of choice. Do you want to be a homosexual - please, you want to be a lesbian - please, if you want to be bisexual - please. This is the choice of the person himself. Nobody will chase them for this, so they do not hide their orientation. But these are still a minority. The overwhelming majority of people are not interested in this. They don't find anything attractive about it. And it's hard to disagree with them smile.
    I believe that our president would be even a homosexual, even a black man, even a man of all colors of the rainbow, if he could provide our citizens with the standard of living of Danes or Belgians, freedom of speech, freedom of choice, freedom of expression and respect for human dignity. And the circus that is happening in our country is simply disgusting and ashamed to watch.
    1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 42 New
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      their authorities were able to provide them with a decent standard of living,

      prove this slogan in numbers.
      1. Digital error 28 July 2020 22: 19 New
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        prove by numbers

        Google would help you, but if you yourself suddenly do not master, then if you please:
        RF / Denmark:
        Ease of doing business (place in the rating) - 28/4 (https://russian.doingbusiness.org/ru/rankings?region=europe-and-central-asia);
        GNI per capita in dollars - 11260/63240 (https://data.worldbank.org/country/RU?locale=ru);
        Life expectancy - 73/81 (https://data.worldbank.org/country/denmark?view=chart);
        Gini coefficient - 37,5 / 28,7 (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI)
        Average pension in dollars - 285/2800 (https://visasam.ru/emigration/europe-emigration/znizn-i-ceny-v-danii.html);
        Average salary in euros 500/3500.
      2. Lexus 29 July 2020 00: 35 New
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        What's the point? You are on any numbers, like ... on a new gate.
    2. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 44 New
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      And the ruling oligarchy in Russia, having all this in colossal quantities, can only provide poverty at the level of African countries.

      can you give a comparative analysis of the standard of living of the Russian Federation and advanced African countries?
      otherwise it's just a slogan.
    3. your1970 28 July 2020 16: 51 New
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      How? Well, is this how they do it? Everyone knows the answer.

      - of course ... They pay taxes stupidly - physicists are more than 50% of the income ...
      And there is also NOT by profitable
      "from October 1, 2011 in Denmark is a tax on fat, or rather on the saturated fat content of food. For 1 kg of this harmful component, residents of the country and its guests pay extra 16 Danish kroner.

      In 1999 was introduced environmental tax for athletes... All members of the respective clubs, sections and circles must pay it. At the same time, adherents of sports related to movement (football, basketball, golf, baseball, etc.) financially compensate for the wear and tear of the playgrounds and the ground below them. The amount of this fee is for a person over 25 years old 150 kroons, who has not yet reached the specified age - 25 kroons. "
    4. Digital error 28 July 2020 22: 26 New
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      the president would at least ... if he could provide our citizens with the standard of living of the Danes
      Let's nevertheless, from theoretical considerations, assess the boundaries of the possible and dot the i's - and if a rainbow-skinned bilezbosexual, and even a chubby atheist in a T-shirt with an American flag printed on it, will you also agree if the condition you specified is met? lol
  • andrew42 28 July 2020 16: 58 New
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    Klimov is of course interesting. But in this case, degeneralogy is offtopic. Is that to raise the issue of domestic degenerates. Danish is definitely not in business here.
  • Bashkirkhan 28 July 2020 10: 23 New
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    The beaver is simply interested in the topic of same-sex marriage, why did you attack him. Interest in this topic is not entirely clear.
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      Interest in this topic is not entirely clear.

      Well, why not? A very curious topic, even from biblical times.
      As soon as it is touched in a negative tone, the howl immediately begins, why would it be.
      And why did you upload a photo of this Satanist? Found an idol for yourself?
      It is believed that Freud's blasphemous tongue rotted in the mouth of its owner (cancer of the larynx), was dying - stinking very strongly, a living stinking corpse. As he lived, he died, father Freud.
      1. Bashkirkhan 28 July 2020 12: 25 New
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        As Professor Preobrazhensky said, devastation is in our heads. I am not interested in this topic, especially in a publication about Gazprom.
        1. bober1982 28 July 2020 12: 31 New
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          I am not interested in this topic, especially in a publication about Gazprom.

          McCain: Russia is a gas station that pretends to be a country.
          And, how does the author of the article differ from the former downed pilot? And how do you have to hate your (?) Country to call it so contemptuously.
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            Quote: bober1982
            McCain: Russia is a gas station that pretends to be a country.
            And, how does the author of the article differ from the former downed pilot? And how do you have to hate your (?) Country to call it so contemptuously.

            And what's not true ?! The Russian Federation is a new feudal kleptocratic country that sells its resources and plunders its people in favor of bureaucratic oligarchic clans.
            Babeur, disprove it!
            1. bober1982 28 July 2020 14: 16 New
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              The Russian Federation is a new feudal kleptocratic country that sells its resources and plunders its people in favor of bureaucratic oligarchic clans.

              Old McCain, turned in his coffin, with envy.
          2. krops777 28 July 2020 15: 45 New
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            And, how does the author of the article differ from the former downed pilot? And how do you have to hate your (?) Country to call it so contemptuously.


            Actually, the article is, as always, one-sided, the author cites the costs of building gas pipelines, but not a word from the fact that tens of thousands of people are involved in the construction, who receive salaries to feed their families, thousands of those processes are organized, a huge infrastructure has been built, with a temporary lack of demand, the guard is already shouting and Praises American LNG. I have been observing the work of Skomorokhov for a long time and even received warnings for harsh statements about him (you know censorship) you will not refuse him this, but still I hope that someday there will be objective articles, but for now, alas.
            1. Arpad 28 July 2020 20: 30 New
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              That's right, let the whole country, from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka, dig one trench, and first dig and then bury
              And what, everything in your opinion, everything is in business, salaries, infrastructure.
              And at the exit?
            2. aglet 29 July 2020 22: 24 New
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              "with a temporary lack of demand, the guard is already screaming"
              gas pipelines are built under a contract, where does demand or lack thereof?
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              that's interesting tens of thousands .. who is this? who designed it? supplied equipment for pipe welding? automation? it seems to me that out of these tens of thousands, our compatriots are not so many
          3. New Year day 28 July 2020 17: 25 New
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            McCain: Russia is a gas station that pretends to be a country.

            isn't McCain right? Remember how the authorities fussed after the fall in oil prices? On VO, such battles were like each of us had a well in the yard
      2. TAMBU 28 July 2020 13: 01 New
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        what a tinted obscurantist ... and there will be more and more ... "O tempora! O mores!"
        1. bober1982 28 July 2020 13: 08 New
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          what a tinted obscurantist ... and there will be more and more ... "O tempora! O mores!"

          Somehow you did it out of place, how can obscurantism be associated with the decline of morals?
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            really ... the hypocrisy of religious communities and morality ... how can this be connected?
  • pytar 28 July 2020 10: 24 New
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    I don’t understand why (censored) has a (censored) question in the first place? Is this the main thing for you?

    Psychologists explain: "Latent ... pulls at a subconscious level." bully
  • Lannan Shi 28 July 2020 10: 29 New
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    I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins?

    Who shouts loudest - stop the thief? Vooot. This is it.
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      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Quote: Svarog
      I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins?

      Who shouts loudest - stop the thief? Vooot. This is it.

      That is, those who most criticize the current government and praise the Soviet government are the destroyers of the Soviet Union? Bravo! good
    2. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 45 New
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      Who shouts loudest - stop the thief? Vooot. This is it.

      is this acceptable behavior in your society?
  • snake 28 July 2020 10: 34 New
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    I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins?

    I will try to explain as far as I understand it. The Zaputins are incorrigible optimists. They never hang their noses. They walk down the street with their heads held high. The enlightened gaze is directed upward. And there is a rainbow in the sky ...
    If not gas, then we will sell gold. Not gold, so wood. Not a forest, so the amendments on serfdom can be adopted.
    1. pytar 28 July 2020 10: 44 New
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      And there - rainbow in the sky...

      You ... with this ... take a closer look ... some members of the forum do not perceive the rainbow as a rainbow ... lol
      1. Lexus 29 July 2020 00: 51 New
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        It is gratifying, Boyan, and you finally took off your rose-colored glasses. Remember that "π" comes and goes, but the Russian people remain and will never abandon their brothers in trouble. Take care of Alyosha! hi
        1. hydrox 29 July 2020 05: 08 New
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          He did not take off a damn thing, but he continues to see the Russian Federation as a fascist country.
        2. pytar 29 July 2020 09: 01 New
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          It is gratifying, Boyan, and you finally took off your rose-colored glasses.

          Alexey, I didn’t put them. Extremes in views are not mine.
          Remember that "π" comes and goes, but the Russian people remain and will never abandon their brothers in trouble.

          The Russian people themselves are in trouble! The parasites drink his blood! It's time to rise and get rid of!
          Take care of Alyosha!

          I wrote somewhere on the forums about the improvement of the park around. Backlit fountains, mini-train to the top, benches, attractions, it turned out very beautifully! There is also a Roman aqueduct and a memorial of the Russian wars / 1877-78 /.
    2. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 47 New
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      The Zaputins are incorrigible optimists. They never hang their noses.

      this is great!
      ps
      it's better to be a Putin than to constantly whine like they whine in a neighboring country ...
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        When the groundless euphoria is over, a severe hangover will come ...
        1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 16: 20 New
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          When the groundless euphoria is over

          why groundless?
          Russians live the best in the CIS, and at the level of Eastern European countries. we build planes / ships. we get medals at the Olympiads, we returned the Crimea. I think that this is very good, given that this country collapsed 30 years ago, and now it is 50% of the former country ... very good ... but it will be even better !!! GDP will not let us down !!!!!!
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            Russians live the best in the CIS

            This is, of course, a "level"! It's solid, you can't say anything ... Still Russia with its territory, reserves of gas, oil, metals, etc. etc. lived worse than Kyrgyzstan, for example. Fine, George ...
            Quote: NEOZ
            we build planes / ships.

            We are building something ... But in what quantity and quality? NB: As for quality, I mean the civil aircraft industry.
            Quote: NEOZ
            we get medals at the olympiads

            Under white flags. And then some more medals are taken back.
            Quote: NEOZ
            returned Crimea

            Well ... Crimea is certainly good. And it would be even better to make a high-quality and affordable vacation in Crimea.
            Quote: NEOZ
            very good ... but it will be even better !!! GDP will not let us down !!!!!!

            Uryayayayayayayayaya !!!!!
      2. New Year day 28 July 2020 17: 30 New
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        Quote: NEOZ
        it's better to be a Putin than to constantly whine like they whine in a neighboring country ...

        you go from behind, you will overtake. Let's look at autumn, when the ruble will fly into space along with the income of the population. There is nothing to nod to Ukraine - we will catch up with such an "effective" leadership.
        It is planned to make clarifications to the Budget Code that not only property, but also money can be confiscated in favor of the FIU, if it was not possible to prove the legality of their receipt. And what evidence can there be with "Basmanny Justice"? As your idol used to say: "you will be tortured to swallow dust"
        1. Lexus 29 July 2020 01: 08 New
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          "you will be tortured to swallow dust"

          Zhora NEOZ will not be tortured. The "dust" they consume is "magic"! fellow
  • Stirbjorn 28 July 2020 10: 35 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    Why the question of pederasts is in the first place among the Zaputintsy?

    So the main intruder Volodin, the most famous of these - maybe that's why, in the subconscious mind, this question pops up among the locals
    1. Lexus 29 July 2020 01: 15 New
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      So the main confused person Volodin

      Herrman Href, Proherov, Minelonov and many others. A very long list.
  • mdsr 28 July 2020 10: 39 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins? wassat This is the main thing for you

    Well, what's strange? With such rotten braces as theirs, everything needs to be feared, especially buggers lol .
    1. Sling cutter 28 July 2020 13: 42 New
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      Quote: mdsr
      Well, what's strange? With such rotten braces as theirs, everything needs to be feared, especially buggers

      Theirs have nothing to fear, they are relatives.
      1. Lexus 29 July 2020 01: 21 New
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        Ø has long hinted, they say, it's time for "turnstiles" to be scrapped.

    2. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 48 New
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      Quote: mdsr
      Well, what's strange? With such rotten staples as theirs,

      what are yours? Ukrainian?
      1. mdsr 28 July 2020 15: 14 New
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        Quote: NEOZ
        Quote: mdsr
        Well, what's strange? With such rotten staples as theirs,

        what are yours? Ukrainian?

        Volga-Bulgarian wink have you heard of such? smile
        1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 17: 21 New
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          Quote: mdsr
          Volga-Bulgarian

          why drown for Ukrainian?
      2. Xenofont 28 July 2020 21: 50 New
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        They have their own, Banderlozh braces, mixed with clean manure and poorly molded.
  • The leader of the Redskins 28 July 2020 10: 47 New
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    They just realize that the punishment may not be heavenly! laughing And much more "earthly"!
  • aleksejkabanets 28 July 2020 10: 56 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins? wassat Is this the main thing for you?

    To whom, what hurts, he speaks about that.
  • Harry cuper 28 July 2020 11: 09 New
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    "Whoever hurts, he talks about that" (folk wisdom)
  • Well, after all, they are similar to you - both in their gut and in their mind ... And by their devotion to the hand of the giver ...
  • NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 06 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    I don’t understand why the Zaputins

    and who are you?
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      Quote: NEOZ
      Quote: Svarog
      I don’t understand why the Zaputins

      and who are you?

      The same question is for you. Are you drowning the good-looking Wrotenbergs here? We did not have time to go to the branch, we had already written to everyone. Calluses on your fingers will not appear?
      1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 15: 23 New
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        Quote: mdsr
        The same question is for you. Are you drowning the good-looking Wrotenbergs here?

        I am drowning for citizens who work in the interests of the Motherland, including the persons you mentioned.
        1. New Year day 28 July 2020 17: 32 New
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          I drown for citizens who work in the interests of the Motherland

          for example ..... The beginning is pretentious!
          1. Lexus 29 July 2020 01: 38 New
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            Remember the movie "Cops in Deep Stock"? There one of the main characters created the program "ass face". Zhora NEOZ "polished" the technology to perfection. True, the option to recognize "idols" by face has disappeared. lol
    2. Xenofont 28 July 2020 21: 53 New
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      They are not for anyone, they are always against. A clean clinic and nothing will help here.
  • Pilat2009 28 July 2020 13: 10 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: bober1982
    It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.

    I don’t understand why the question of pederasts is in the first place among Zaputins? wassat Is this the main thing for you?

    Yes, if you dig, then we have no less homosexuals, based on the population size. It's just that they are still afraid to advertise
  • Serg65 28 July 2020 14: 38 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    Why the question of pederasts is in the first place among the Zaputintsy?

    I see it bothers you a lot? Or zadorkovtsam zu came to protect homosexuals and Nazis?
    1. Lexus 29 July 2020 01: 46 New
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      Are you sir (d) worried about yourself?
  • Lexus 28 July 2020 20: 53 New
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    hi Do you think for what kind of "marinade" they are all torn into "geyropes", that they dragged the covidloo from there? And "zapOD" swear on the principle of "beats - it means he loves!" The wrong stream was called "blue". lol
  • max702 28 July 2020 21: 57 New
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    After the change of the owners of the site to the citizens of the promised country, Skomorokhov began, let's say, to justify his surname .. Is it possible that a small shekel is ready to pour water on the enemy's mill (and some of them are enemies and do not need fairy tales)? It's all sad .. "The house is gone" (S.)
    rs: Ban what is there .. It makes no sense to be here ..
    1. Lexus 29 July 2020 01: 56 New
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      "Throw" under you - and the fan is more intact, and there will be fewer "konopushki".
  • forpost 28 July 2020 22: 56 New
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    It is not clear why some people see some Zaputins. It's time to be treated
  • STi__v 29 July 2020 07: 19 New
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    Well yes. This question of homosexuals themselves is always very annoying. You are right, this is the main thing for homosexuals.
  • serzh.kost 29 July 2020 07: 53 New
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    understandably, Putin is associated with traditional values, and buggers are the destruction of the family. as well as for Trump, those who voted more for traditional values.
    but why are liberals so tolerant of this? because the State Department teaches that way, or is it just a little of that? wassat
  • xoma58 29 July 2020 08: 09 New
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    He's just worried about himself. How is it possible with them, but with us his rights have been infringed.
  • Akuzenka 29 July 2020 17: 57 New
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    All these epoch-making construction projects, just like in Soviet times, cause a feeling of bewilderment.

    Roman, give at least one example from the epoch-making construction projects of the USSR, which we do not use now. Do not take into account the sold and ruined factories, cosmodromes.
    They all bring profit to "our" capitalists, and a big one! Or other capitalists, but also big. Without many construction projects and accomplishments of the Soviet period, the current Russia would simply be impossible. She wouldn't be there anymore.
  • Civil 28 July 2020 10: 26 New
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    On European hubs in June, gas was quoted at $ 45 per thousand cubic meters at TTF (Netherlands) and $ 63 per thousand at Baumgarten (Austria). With the declared price of zero profitability of $ 100 per thousand cubic meters for Gazprom, taking into account the cost of production, mineral extraction tax, transportation and customs duties.

    Watch your hands:
    1. We drop the ruble by 20-30% and even $ 45 turns into a huge profit for Gazprom.
    2. The poor people will not rebel, it is verified, it will be busy with survival.
    1. Lannan Shi 28 July 2020 10: 32 New
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      Quote: Civil
      2. The poor people will not rebel, it is verified, it will be busy with survival.

      Ugums. But the story tells how the same poor people in 1905 annealed, having fun with a fire show in not quite poor manors.
      1. Sling cutter 28 July 2020 13: 40 New
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        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Ugums. But the story tells how the same poor people in 1905 annealed, having fun with a fire show in not quite poor manors.

        Well, I'll have to repeat it, otherwise they don't understand.
        1. Vadim237 29 July 2020 00: 58 New
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          What are you going to repeat there-pitiful scraps of communists.
          1. paul3390 31 July 2020 19: 38 New
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            Pitiful lumps are what you and other liberals have instead of brains and conscience.
    2. paul3390 28 July 2020 11: 21 New
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      1. We drop the ruble by 20-30% and even $ 45 turns into a huge profit for Gazprom.
      Why do the nonesh bourgeoisie need so many rubles? You can't get them out of the cordon, unlike bucks. Inside the country, they have already crushed everything for themselves ..
      1. depressant 28 July 2020 12: 14 New
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        Paul3390, there are numerous schemes for withdrawing rubles in the form of currency abroad. Here you, having come to the bank, can easily buy currency for rubles. Large companies do the same. Moreover, if you buy currency in a small amount, then you are charged a substantial commission. If the purchase volume is large, which is typical for companies, then the commission is small (cheaper in bulk). The company opens a foreign currency account (or it already had one) and deposits the purchased currency on it. And then he provides an agreement with a foreign company, allegedly for the purchase by that company abroad of what is vital for your Russian company. And the bank without question transfers your currency abroad to the account of a foreign company, which - oh, miracle! oh surprise! - it turns out to be yours, because it is registered for a wife, brother, sister, matchmaker - further down the list, choose whoever you want. And since rubles, converted into currency, are most often acquired by direct theft of state funds, or by bribes, kickbacks - everything else they have in their arsenal, this money will never be returned to Russia. For fear that law enforcement officers will get to the bottom ... I almost wrote "and will demand their share." In general, for fear of losing the stolen goods. I can imagine how much public funds were stolen and withdrawn abroad during the construction of gas pipelines - JV, JV-2, TP, SS. In any case, in the first two months of this year, $ 20 billion has already been withdrawn ...
        Thus, the rich need rubles. They need them to buy currency in order to withdraw it to their places of residence abroad.
        1. paul3390 28 July 2020 12: 48 New
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          Thus, the rich need rubles. They need them to buy currency in order to withdraw it to their places of residence abroad.
          Duc - and where to get the currency, if the foreign exchange earnings in the country falls catastrophically?
          1. depressant 28 July 2020 12: 58 New
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            The Central Bank regularly sells gold abroad, of course, for foreign currency. Recently there was a message about such a sale. He also trades in foreign securities, which he has in abundance. Now there are difficulties with the sale of American ones, they are no longer very quoted, but nothing will turn out - native oligarchs need help.
      2. Pilat2009 28 July 2020 13: 13 New
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        Quote: paul3390
        1. We drop the ruble by 20-30% and even $ 45 turns into a huge profit for Gazprom.
        Why do the nonesh bourgeoisie need so many rubles? You can't get them out of the cordon, unlike bucks. Inside the country, they have already crushed everything for themselves ..

        Gazprom makes a profit in dollars, the tax is converted into rubles, the rest goes to shareholders. If shareholders are paid in rubles, they go to the exchange and exchange for dollars.
      3. hydrox 29 July 2020 05: 37 New
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        You can even deduce it, just for the rubbish, which the ruble threatens to turn into, it will be possible to buy currency only for a box of cigarettes for a million cubic meters of gas.
    3. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 08 New
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      Quote: Civil
      We lower the ruble by 20-30%

      why not 200-300%?
      Quote: Civil
      The poor people will not rebel

      the fact is that Russians are not even beggars ...
      1. CT-55_11-9009 28 July 2020 14: 06 New
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        Quote: NEOZ
        the fact is that Russians are not even beggars ...

        Have you been outside the Moscow Ring Road for a long time? Take a trip, about a hundred kilometers from large cities, it is better - farther, stop by small cities, chat with people, ask how much they get. Please note: I don't even advise you villages.
        1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 15: 03 New
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          Quote: CT-55_11-9009
          Have you been outside the Moscow Ring Road for a long time?

          occasionally
          Quote: CT-55_11-9009
          better - farther away, go to small towns, chat with people, ask how much they get.

          what for? - there are different settlements, life there is not sugar, there are such settlements everywhere, in all countries.
          Quote: CT-55_11-9009
          Please note: I don't even advise you villages.

          and I strongly recommend that you study the statistics of the well-being of citizens of the Russian Federation in comparison with the countries of Europe / America / Asia / Africa.
          ps
          and in general, on what basis should you live better? Think about it....
          1. Lexus 29 July 2020 02: 04 New
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            and in general, on what basis should you live better?

            That is, you should live better exclusively? Will it crack anywhere? I do not urge you to think - in your case it is completely hopeless and useless.
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              That is, you should live better exclusively?

              you thought of it - which shows your level of intelligence.
              I am the same people as everyone else, neither better nor worse.
              Quote: lexus
              I do not urge you to think - in your case it is completely hopeless and useless.

              to make a diagnosis is such a thing ...
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    1. kapitan92 28 July 2020 11: 07 New
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      Quote: Tatiana
      I absolutely agree with the author! Itself has often paid attention to this.

      Novel! hi Thank you for the article.
      And the people are paying for all this disgrace. Which once again raise prices

      fellow
      I won't wang, but we will be "robbed" more than once, under the current government! hi
      1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 10 New
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        Quote: kapitan92
        I won't wang, but we will be "robbed" more than once, under the current government!

        who are you? how?
        the level of well-being of Russians has grown many times over from 2000-2020.
        you are so robbed sho you get rich? or are you from Ukraine?
        1. Sling cutter 28 July 2020 13: 37 New
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          Quote: NEOZ
          who are you? how?
          the level of well-being of Russians has grown many times over from 2000-2020.

          Well, now let's spread the facts or are you a Zaputin balabol propagandist?
          1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 56 New
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            Now come on lay out the facts

            I'm ready to lay out the facts, it's simple.
            after answering my two asked questions, namely:
            who are you?
            how?
            ps
            I am ready to answer for my words, and you?
            1. Sling cutter 28 July 2020 13: 59 New
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              Quote: NEOZ
              I'm ready to lay out the facts, it's simple.
              after answering my two asked questions, namely:
              who are you?
              how?
              ps
              I am ready to answer for my words, and you?

              Everything is clear, you troll, into the furnace!
              1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 15: 06 New
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                Quote: Stroporez
                Everything is clear, you troll, into the furnace!

                here you are definitely Ukrainian!
                "What about us?" - Yes?
                those. you can ask me for words, but you CANNOT answer for your own !!!!
                moreover, I am ready to substantiate every word I say!
                are you ready?
                1. andrew42 28 July 2020 17: 14 New
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                  Change the methodology. Stroporez - Khabarovsk, if I'm not mistaken. Do you have comrade Lavrenty on your avatar? - May he visit you in the coming dream :)
                2. New Year day 28 July 2020 17: 34 New
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                  Quote: NEOZ
                  here you are definitely Ukrainian!

                  when the arguments end, remember the nationality. There are no bad nations, there are just shit among the people
                  1. Lexus 29 July 2020 02: 11 New
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                    Zhora is with them, albeit just a "organ". "There" the record is stuck.
        2. mdsr 28 July 2020 13: 48 New
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          Quote: NEOZ
          welfare Russians has grown many times over from 2000-2020.

          Here you are as right as ever. The Russians, the Vrotenberg brothers, Timchenko, Prigozhin, Usmanov, Vekselberg and another 100 dollar billionaires from the Forbes list, are very grateful fellow zeroed and his bucket for multiply increased income.
          But I personally, as I received about $ 500 at the beginning of the XNUMXs, and I receive it now. The same can be said about the vast majority of citizens
          1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 53 New
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            Quote: mdsr
            The Russians are the brothers Vrotenberg, Timchenko, Prigozhin, Usmanov, Vekselberg and another 100 dollar billionaires

            envy is a sin ...
            Quote: mdsr
            And here I am, personally, how I received about $ 500

            then you are a loser personally! - in terms of making money.
            you look at the whole of the Russian Federation.
            1. Kisa 28 July 2020 17: 12 New
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              Somehow representatives of the middle class come up to me and say:
              - as you finish, do not throw away the bottles.
              1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 17: 17 New
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                Quote: kitty
                Representatives of the middle class come up to me somehow

                well, like that in Ukraine ...
                ps
                a homeless person in his environment sees only homeless people, the rich man of the rich ... I suggest you look more broadly.
            2. New Year day 28 July 2020 17: 36 New
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              Quote: NEOZ
              you look at the whole of the Russian Federation.

              In general, for the first quarter of 2020, the average salary in Russia, according to statistics published by Rosstat, was 48,3 thousand rubles.
              According to Rosstat, more than 20 million of our compatriots have been “thrown” below the poverty line. This is over 15% of the population of Russia. According to the survey, a family is considered poor if each member has less than 15000 rubles a month.
              1. NEOZ 3 August 2020 11: 24 New
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                Quote: Silvestr
                This is over 15% of the population of Russia.

                this is a normal figure for capitalist countries ...
                in Ukraine this figure is 33% ...
  • Aleksandre 28 July 2020 11: 23 New
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    Quote: bober1982
    It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.

    Why are the damned homosexuals living much better than God's chosen people, who shove their penis where they should?
    1. bober1982 28 July 2020 11: 34 New
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      Quote: Aleksandre
      Why damned buggers live much better than God's chosen people

      Whom do you mean by God's chosen people? After all, these are Jews.
      There is no other such people, and there never was.
      Do you understand this? What are you talking about, about God's chosen people.
      1. Aleksandre 28 July 2020 13: 11 New
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        Quote: bober1982
        Whom do you mean by God's chosen people? After all, these are Jews.

        No, these are the ones who will go to heaven. The rest will just die wassat
        1. bober1982 28 July 2020 13: 21 New
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          Quote: Aleksandre
          No, these are the ones who will go to heaven. The rest will just die

          You are an interesting conversationalist, I say sincerely.
          But, I will take the liberty of saying that you are mistaken.
          They will die, as you put it, I’ll agree here exactly who will go to heaven, nobody knows and cannot know. Death is the beginning of a new future real life, what this new life will be like, nobody knows.
          Very briefly.
          1. Aleksandre 28 July 2020 13: 35 New
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            You are an interesting conversationalist, I say sincerely.
            But, I will take the liberty of saying that you are mistaken.

            But you do understand that in this case I am not mistaken (it happens, it happens, to be honest), but just joking? wassat It's just that the talk on the topic that "we are, uhhh, what are we, purely Dratanyans, but behind the hill there are monkeys, perverts and generally low-moral personalities," have already been disgusted.
            1. bober1982 28 July 2020 14: 29 New
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              Quote: Aleksandre
              and generally low moral personalities. "

              Well, who else are they? Much worse than the low moral personality you mentioned.
              1. Aleksandre 28 July 2020 14: 39 New
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                Quote: bober1982
                Well, who else are they? Much worse than the low moral personality you mentioned.

                In what, let me be curious, are they so low and worthless compared to the Great Russians, for example?
                1. bober1982 28 July 2020 14: 57 New
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                  Quote: Aleksandre
                  they are so low and worthless compared to the great Russians

                  This is good, now we have learned who is called the chosen people of God and have passed (reached) the Great Russian chauvinism.
                  Have you read Lenin? this one put everything on the shelves and chewed it up, it was well known.
    2. pytar 28 July 2020 12: 40 New
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      Why do the damned (censored) live much better than God's chosen people, who shove their genitals where they need to?

      Because, to live well depends on the head, and not on the pipisk ... lol
      1. Aleksandre 28 July 2020 13: 10 New
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        Quote: pytar
        Because, to live well depends on the head, and not on the pipisk ... lol

        What are we talking about ...
    3. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 13 New
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      Quote: Aleksandre
      Why damned buggers live much better than God's chosen people

      what exactly is better? give examples / figures.
      and we will discuss specific numbers and examples.
      without specifics, it's just a slogan!
      1. Sling cutter 28 July 2020 13: 32 New
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        Quote: NEOZ
        what exactly is better? give examples / figures.
        and we will discuss specific numbers and examples.
        without specifics, it's just a slogan!

        Even Poles live 2 times better than Russians, and give you all examples. Eat it yourself and see it, and if you can't google it, maybe your brightening will come
        1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 14: 00 New
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          Quote: Stroporez
          Even Poles live 2 times better than Russians,

          the slogan is not based on anything.
          Quote: Stroporez
          and give you all the examples.

          sure! It's one thing to shout slogans, and another to give facts / arguments / arguments in favor of your opinion.
          Quote: Stroporez
          Eat it yourself and see it, and if you can't google it, maybe your brightening will come

          traveled, googled ... not impressive ...
        2. NEOZ 28 July 2020 14: 02 New
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          Quote: Stroporez
          Eat yourself and see

          do you go for strawberries in poland?
          I knew it ... from 404 ...
          1. Sling cutter 28 July 2020 14: 16 New
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            Quote: NEOZ
            do you go for strawberries in poland?
            I knew it ... from 404 ...

            fool laughing I drove all over Geyropa by car and was in Poland incl. and I responsibly declare that no one lives worse than the Russian Federation (Maskvastan and Peter are beyond the scope of comparisons)
            PySy. And more, kremlebotic, I won't tell you anything laughing
            1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 15: 09 New
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              Quote: Stroporez
              I drove all over Geyropa by car and was in Poland, incl.

              ))))))))))))))))) Holy Visa-Free rules !!!!!!!!!!
              Quote: Stroporez
              maskwastan

              typical expression of a Ukrainian ...
              1. Lexus 29 July 2020 02: 24 New
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                I look at your fool and I remember a wonderful movie. Bravo!

                Fragment from the movie "Ivan Vasilyevich changes his profession" (1973)
        3. andrew42 28 July 2020 17: 19 New
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          It's not even about the current comparison of consumption levels. experienced and not so. The point is the hopelessness of the hospice prepared for our people, against the background of a noisy feast of "patriotic" oligarchs and social parasites inside the Moscow Ring Road, catching crumbs from their tables.
      2. Kisa 28 July 2020 17: 23 New
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        20 million are officially recognized as beggars.
        14 tyrov per month is now classified as middle class ....
        your argument would be more weighty if you substantiated it ...
    4. NEOZ 28 July 2020 17: 18 New
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      Quote: Aleksandre
      live much better than God's chosen people

      see my comments, there is an answer to this question
  • Roman123567 28 July 2020 12: 15 New
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    It's not clear why

    Beaver, breathe out .. in the article it is written in Russian - why ..
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      Beaver, breathe out .. in the article it is written in Russian - why ..

      And his breath stopped, he still wanted to push the slogan for the scare, but the power was not enough laughing
  • DPN
    DPN 28 July 2020 13: 13 New
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    but what bites hurts and you can't beat it, the little one makes the BEAR to respect YOURSELF.
  • Sling cutter 28 July 2020 13: 26 New
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    then the country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.

    When Miller's teams arrived at Muskwa they were called the Blue Wave.
    The Duma and the government also have a lobby of rear-wheel drive doves.
    1. bober1982 28 July 2020 14: 48 New
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      arrived at maskwa

      Moscow, dear Stroporez, learn the words to the song ....... How does the Motherland begin
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        Moscow is no longer the same. It was the heart of the Motherland, it became the gastrointestinal tract.
  • Vlad T 28 July 2020 13: 40 New
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    The author seems to have been working for "grants" for a long time, so he gives out what the grant-givers demanded, he does not pull for reality ...
  • NOTaFED 28 July 2020 14: 41 New
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    Shhhh! He can.
  • sh3roman 28 July 2020 16: 33 New
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    and you have no more thoughts and problems ????? except for buggers in Denmark ????
  • Grading 28 July 2020 18: 36 New
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    How could it be that yesterday, the whole kremlebotnaya mass literally streamed myrrh about gas in Europe, promised to freeze everyone and bend over, and then suddenly oops and crap again .......... good




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    It is not clear why, the author respects Denmark, this is a country of open homosexuals, the first in the world to recognize same-sex unions, back in 1989.

    Are you offended for your colleagues?
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    1. Svarog 28 July 2020 10: 17 New
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      Well, show off your political career

      Unfortunately, adequate ones are not allowed there wassat They put them in jail, start criminal cases, make life unbearable ... all you have to do is gain popularity among the people and hint about participating in the presidential elections.
      1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 16 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Unfortunately, adequate ones are not allowed there

        maybe they are not quite adequate?
        Quote: Svarog
        They put them in jail, start criminal cases, make life unbearable ..

        how do you want? maybe somewhere else? - give examples where it is wrong!
        ps
        do you have a wrong perception of the world, are you Ukrainian?
    2. mdsr 28 July 2020 10: 47 New
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      and comrade Sechin d fuck, all his advisers are the same, Putin, the same, de-beat?

      Of course not, we all know they are geniuses fellow There, at the Ozerkovskys, everyone is so gifted. Maybe the climate there is special or some kind of radiation? No, of course, it's just that they all perfectly know Jewish science. Kabbalah.
      1. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 18 New
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        No, of course, it's just that they all perfectly know the Jewish science of Kabbalah.

        divide people into races?
    3. Harry cuper 28 July 2020 11: 14 New
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      Why de Bill at once? Secondly, he is a good translator from Portuguese. And firstly, his goal is to enrich his personal and his own code.
    4. Roman123567 28 July 2020 12: 24 New
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      Putin, then, de-beat? Why aren't you the president, but he?

      Is the president an indicator of mental development ??
      Debil can not be president or what ?? So Gorbachev could sell his homeland ?? Yeltsin could be a moron ?? And Putin suddenly became a saint ?? And who are usually hired as advisers? Friends !! Or Putin brought Bear with him for great mental merits ??
    5. BecmepH 28 July 2020 12: 28 New
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      Well, you know better, but comrade Sechin is fucking, all his advisers are the same, Putin, then, de-beat? Why aren't you the president, but he? Well, show off your political career

      I like it, I don't like it ... Why do you stoop to insults? If you are such a hero, then write it on the wall and stand by your side.
      I also think that VVP has done its job and deserves a rest. But why insult so much?
      1. mdsr 28 July 2020 13: 55 New
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        I like it, I don't like it ... Why do you stoop to insults?

        good Bravo! At the present time, only sarcasm saves drinks
    6. Sling cutter 28 July 2020 14: 11 New
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      Well, you know better, but comrade Sechin is fucking, all his advisers are the same, Putin, then, de-beat?

      What surprises you so much?
      Cunning, hypocrisy, cunning, duplicity has nothing to do with the coefficient of mental and intellectual abilities.
      Even bears are taught not to ride a bicycle.
  • iouris 28 July 2020 10: 17 New
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    Another opinion of a written "expert" from the clip. ("It, of course, is so. It, of course, is familiar to the matter, but now, if something happened where, then here it is for you - please !!!")
    And what confirms the expert level?
    1. mole 28 July 2020 11: 02 New
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      Do you need a Harvard diploma to get into your "panel of experts"? Or will HSE come down?
      An article in the "Opinions" section, not "Analytics".
      And the article is probably the best on this issue.
      1. iouris 28 July 2020 11: 05 New
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        Quote: Mole
        An article in the "Opinions" section, not "Analytics".

        An expert opinion is an opinion. In the absence of expert knowledge, "opinion" is propaganda. And propaganda is ideology, and ideology is a false consciousness.
        1. Harry cuper 28 July 2020 11: 15 New
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          But in fact, dear, have something to say? Without demagoguery?
          1. Ingvar 72 28 July 2020 12: 23 New
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            Quote: Harry Cuper
            But in fact, dear, have something to say?

            They basically can't, weaklings. They immediately begin to discuss the opponent, but not the essence. So you don’t need to strain Mosk, put a stamp, and well done. A stereotyped commentary by a trolley worker.
          2. Brturin 28 July 2020 13: 30 New
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            But in fact, dear, have something to say?

            At least about cod may not be worth it - As explained in the press service of the operator, the restriction associated with fish spawning (from July to August) refers to construction work in the Bornholm Basin area. “Both lines of the pipeline have already been laid in the restricted fishing area of ​​the Bornholm Basin. There are no seasonal restrictions on further construction in Denmark, ”said Nord Stream 2 AG. https://www.rbc.ru/society/27/07/2020/5f1eb0c19a79472c5cad24ab?from=newsfeed
            SP-2 - financing of Gazprom 50%
          3. iouris 28 July 2020 17: 19 New
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            If I begin to express myself "in essence" without understanding the problem of "trumpets and sunsets", then I will join the demagogues. But I suspect that there are experts in the world in the field of gas export.
        2. mole 28 July 2020 11: 24 New
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          Quote: iouris
          Quote: Mole
          An article in the "Opinions" section, not "Analytics".

          An expert opinion is an opinion. In the absence of expert knowledge, "opinion" is propaganda. And propaganda is ideology, and ideology is a false consciousness.

          Publish your article in which you will prove the falsity of this from an "expert" position. Thus, enlighten the consciousness of the layman.
          1. iouris 28 July 2020 18: 19 New
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            Publish your article in which you will prove the falsity of this from an "expert" position.

            The author did not prove that "pipes are unnecessary"
            The author did not provide evidence that the Russian Federation is a "gas station" country.
            The author did not formulate what should be understood by the "decline of the country".
            The author does not refer to publications of other authors, whose scientific and expert qualifications have been confirmed.
            Based on the analysis of the title, structure, style and content of the publication, I have expressed the opinion that the author is not an expert in the field of natural gas production and export and politics.
            I do not participate in international article writing competitions, I only sometimes critically evaluate some publications (in style and in substance).
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        3. Olgovich 28 July 2020 11: 54 New
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          An expert opinion is an opinion. In the absence of expert knowledge, "opinion" is propaganda.

          Exactly so: the statistics for the first quarter confirmed the assumptions about the fall in demand for gas in the world, but also indicates that Russian gas SAVES share on the European market.

          By the Power of Siberia: Russian pipeline gas 2020 to China ended up withthe most profitable for Gazprom - was sold at the highest price in the foreign market. Which does not fit in any way with the "kopecks" allegedly paid by China.

          Deputy Chairman of Gazprom Elena Burmistrova: "due to a number of factors, including a shorter transport leg, Russian gas supplies will more attractive compared to the delivery of gas from Central Asia.

          Miller:
          “Today, Gazprom supplies gas to China via the Power of Siberia gas pipeline. And in just how many years we will increase its volume up to 38 billion cubic meters m... The growth of supplies via the Power of Siberia will outpace the dynamics of both imports of liquefied natural gas and supplies of Central Asian gas to China There are proposals on the negotiation table with Chinese partners to increase gas supplies via the Power of Siberia gas pipeline by 6 billion cubic meters - up to 44 billion cubic meters gas per year, organization of gas supplies from the Far East and the "western" route... “All together, this makes it possible to talk about the export of pipeline gas to China in the foreseeable future. in the amount of over 130 billion cubic meters. m, which is comparable to our current supply to traditional markets "
          https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/07/06/gaz-iz-sily-sibiri-okazalsya-samym-vygodnym-i-dlya-kitaya-i-dlya-gazproma
          1. Pilat2009 28 July 2020 22: 12 New
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            By the Power of Siberia: Russian pipeline gas in 2020 to China turned out to be the most profitable for Gazprom - it was sold at the highest price on the external market.

            Announce the price and quantity
        4. Roman123567 28 July 2020 12: 27 New
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          In the absence of expert knowledge, "opinion" is propaganda.

          Well, don't advocate here for those who saw money on these pipes ..
        5. TAMBU 28 July 2020 13: 06 New
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          primary nonsense based on the substitution of concepts and even categories ...
    2. Pilat2009 28 July 2020 13: 17 New
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      Quote: iouris
      Another opinion of a written "expert" from the clip. ("It, of course, is so. It, of course, is familiar to the matter, but now, if something happened where, then here it is for you - please !!!")
      And what confirms the expert level?

      Common sense. Nobody has canceled arithmetic yet
    3. NEOZ 28 July 2020 13: 19 New
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      Quote: iouris
      Another opinion of a written "expert" from the clip.

      kindergarten....
      Quote: iouris
      And what confirms the expert level?

      the presence of a sofa ... from him everything is more visible ...
  • pytar 28 July 2020 10: 18 New
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    One of the few obyektivnye statues in the Russian-net, respect to the author! hi
    The GDP strategy of an "energy superpower" has failed by all 120%! The author correctly noted that the propaganda in rus-media presents a completely distorted picture of what happened! We expect a flurry of negative comments and drawbacks from the side of the pro-Gazprovom forum users! bully
    1. The leader of the Redskins 28 July 2020 10: 50 New
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      I agree, but there is one caveat:
      to analyze thoughtfully is sheer joy in the best canons and traditions of our neighbors in the West.
      Judging by the latest litigation in the courts and the contracts concluded, the neighbors "on the left" are really in control.
      On the gas fronts.
      1. AK1972 28 July 2020 12: 13 New
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        I remembered a case. My daughter, she was 6 years old then, she still went to the kindergarten with her angelic voice and told me a poem:
        An emo girl sitting on a pipe
        Dreaming of death in my head
        The pipe explodes under it,
        Gazprom - Dreams Come True!

        I laughed to tears, I thought I would tear my stomach
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      1. Tank hard 28 July 2020 11: 19 New
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        go better harvest tomato

        And they have already given no tomatoes, ketchup and that of Russian production in the networks. In short, complete economic success and independence after joining the EU. How they joined! laughing
        1. Roman123567 28 July 2020 12: 31 New
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          they have already given no tomatoes, ketchup and the one of Russian production in the networks. In short, complete economic success
          It would be appropriate to say this only when we ourselves have almost everything Chinese.
          Despite the fact that the resource base is not comparable ..
          So you should first look at your log in the eye ..
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            Quote: Roman123567
            It would be appropriate to say this only when we ourselves have almost everything Chinese.

            However, this is a fact. You can't really find your own tomatoes in Bulgaria, the nets are packed with Russian ketchup and dumplings with a sad job.
            Quote: Roman123567
            Despite the fact that the resource base is not comparable ..

            But does a Bulgarian citizen express his "authoritative" opinion about Russia and its economy? Why don't we take a look at the country of the victorious European integration. wink
            Quote: Roman123567
            So you should first look at your log in the eye ..

            This is for the Bulgarian citizen, do not get confused. wink
            1. Roman123567 28 July 2020 12: 57 New
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              You can't really find your own tomatoes in Bulgaria,

              But we have gas in every village .. and gasoline flows like a river from all cracks ..

              does the Bulgarian citizen express his "authoritative" opinion about Russia and its economy?
              And he says it right ..

              Why should we

              Because "we ourselves have almost everything Chinese ..
              Despite the fact that the resource base is not comparable ..
              So it's worth first looking at your beam in the eye .. "

              I can make it even easier to explain - it's a shame even to compare ourselves with Bulgaria, and to reproach them for something when we ourselves, being surrounded by money, live a little better than them ..

              If one in a puddle breeds a bucket of crucians, and the other, having a lake, is able to get two buckets .. then which of them has the right to laugh and express an opinion ..
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                Quote: Roman123567
                Because "we ourselves have almost everything Chinese.

                Even in the US and Europe, globalization. repeat Didn't you know? wink
                1. Roman123567 28 July 2020 13: 13 New
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                  Even in the US and Europe, globalization.
                  Did I blame Bulgaria for the fact that they have Russian ketchup ?? Mdya ..
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                    Quote: Roman123567
                    Did I blame Bulgaria for the fact that they have Russian ketchup ?? Mdya ..

                    No, you accuse Russia of the fact that there are many Chinese goods. Mdya request
                    1. Roman123567 28 July 2020 13: 24 New
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                      you accuse RF

                      I am writing to the one who accuses Bulgaria that "it is worth first to look at your beam in the eye"
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                        Quote: Roman123567
                        I am writing to the one who accuses Bulgaria that "it is worth first to look at your beam in the eye"

                        Are you either not a citizen of the Russian Federation, or you hate Russia so much that you are ready to praise Bulgaria to the detriment of your own country? Apparently those who give you a plus are the same. request
                      2. pytar 28 July 2020 14: 59 New
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                        You are either not a citizen of the Russian Federation, or you hate Russia so much ...

                        You wrote this to Roman, but to me it looks like ... laughing
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                        Quote: pytar
                        You wrote this to Roman, but to me it looks like ..

                        I understand that you are protecting yours, but be careful with brandy, abuse does not lead to good. laughing
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                        I understand that you are protecting yours, but be careful with brandy, abuse does not lead to good.

                        You don’t understand anything or you pretend you don’t understand .. In any case, you are absolutely unaware of Bulgarian affairs! Especially with algokols! We drink quite a lot, but you rarely see drunk! Because we drink according to our tradition - slowly, always having a snack. Well, get drunk right before the rollback, it happened to me only a couple of times, in my entire long life! laughing So, don't judge others by yourself ... yes
                      5. New Year day 28 July 2020 17: 39 New
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                        You don't understand anything, or you pretend not to understand ..

                        it's useless to argue with him. He's in the tank request
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                        it's useless to argue with him. He's in the tank
                        And why with a small letter? This is disrespect for the "interlocutor", Boyan in this case. Although who am I ?! laughing
  • pytar 28 July 2020 14: 54 New
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    You can't really find your own tomatoes in Bulgaria, the nets are packed with Russian ketchup and dumplings with a sad job.

    Daniel von Messer, you're lying here! negative Maybe there is Russian ketchup, I've only seen it in the Beryozka chain! But it is expensive there, because the goods are from a country outside the EU, the duties are high! I am buying kvass from Berezka! Belarusian for me is very tasty! In fact, most of the goods sold in "Beryozka" are made in Germany or the Baltic states! It's written on the packaging! There are dumplings in supermarkets, both Russian and ... you will be surprised, there are also Bulgarian ones! Moreover, the Bulgarian ones are fresh, since they are delivered immediately in the networks, and not brought from a thousand kilometers!
  • pytar 28 July 2020 15: 03 New
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    But does a Bulgarian citizen express his "authoritative" opinion about Russia and its economy?

    I am a Bulgarian citizen married to Russia. laughing I often visit the Russian Federation! I see, I can compare! Russian are good people! Our closest people! But in this truly great country, something is wrong ... sad
    1. Tank hard 28 July 2020 15: 07 New
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      I am a Bulgarian citizen married to Russia

      Stop overusing. laughing
      1. pytar 28 July 2020 15: 33 New
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        Stop overusing.

        I use it without evil and I'm not going to stop! laughing
    2. Svarog 28 July 2020 17: 55 New
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      I am a Bulgarian citizen married to Russia.

      Although you are a Bulgarian citizen, you love Russia more than some here .. our so-called opponents .. hi
      To a great country, what is wrong is happening ... sad

      And the Great Country was occupied by crooks ... but this phenomenon is temporary ... just like everything else hi
      1. pytar 28 July 2020 20: 14 New
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        Although you are a Bulgarian citizen, you love Russia more than some here .. our so-called opponents ..

        Dear Vladimir! hi It turns out that citizenship is not important and not even nationality! For me, many of those here mowing under the masks of a "patriot", in fact, harmful to Russia! They are anti-Russian in essence! I don’t know because of stupidity or because of money, is this done ?!
        For me personally, Russia and Bulgaria are two parts of one whole. One cultural and historical space, one and the same civilizational code. I have repeated this many times. Some even call Bulgaria a little Russia, and Russia a big Bulgaria.
        And the Great Country was occupied by crooks ... but this phenomenon is temporary ... just like everything else

        Russia is karmically doomed to be a Great country! Bearer of high moral values, justice and freedom! This is the only country in the world that has the strength to carry such a heavy product! Sometimes she succeeded, sometimes she didn't. According to my observations, for 20-25 years now, Russia has been methodically, step by step taken out of this path! Deliberately, deliberately taken away into some kind of swamp! And this is done not so much by external enemies / they have always been, it is normal /, but by those who are inside! These are those who usurped power and, under highly patriotic slogans, are digging the coffin of Russia!
        I am convinced that they will not succeed! As history shows, whoever digs a coffin falls into it himself!
        I am convinced, because I know - the real Russian is the majority, and the real Russian never gives up! The ego can be deceived, he is too gullible, but the delusion will not last long ... and then the deceivers will fly to the chm. !
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          I am convinced, because I know - the real Russian is the majority, and the real Russian never gives up! The ego can be deceived, he is too gullible, but the delusion will not last long ... and then the deceivers will fly to the chm. !

          Very true words .. I absolutely agree with you ... deceived does not mean stupid, it is naive, this is our people .. but when the veil falls from the eyes .. it will not seem a little ... to those who cheat.
          Sincerely,
          Vladimir. hi
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          They are anti-Russian in essence! I don’t know because of stupidity or because of money, is this done ?!

          Reduced social responsibility - definitely not from a great mind, but the "call" of the intestine and the thirst for profit forces him to go to "work" again and again. drinks
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  • pytar 28 July 2020 12: 58 New
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    It would be appropriate to declare this only when we ourselves have almost everything Chinese ... despite the fact that the resource base is not comparable ... So it is worth looking at your log in the eye first ...

    When their garden has nothing, some start peeping at someone else's ... Normal. lol
    You dear Roman, I put a plus, for an amazing comment! hi Although these are directed to whom, they are unlikely to question ... what
    1. Tank hard 28 July 2020 13: 07 New
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      When their garden has nothing, some start peeping at someone else's ... OK

      Well, yes, Russia has nothing of its own, everyone envies Bulgaria. A rich, economically independent "not outskirts" of the EU. wink
      1. Roman123567 28 July 2020 13: 17 New
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        Russia just has everything .. in terms of "vegetable garden" .. and even more ..
        But it grows as much as those who never had a vegetable garden.
        And we even sell them something from our garden ..
        But at the end we have approximately equal pension / minimum wage.

        There are two options .. either we ourselves do not "grow" anything .. or we "grow" a lot, but it all flows away somewhere in the other direction ..
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          There are two options .. either we ourselves do not "grow" anything .. or we "grow" a lot, but it all flows away somewhere in the other direction ..

          Well, there is one option, for example, we sell wheat. Bad too? laughing
      2. pytar 28 July 2020 14: 43 New
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        Well, yes, Russia has nothing of its own, everyone envies Bulgaria.

        Not all Mr. Daniel von Messer, not all ... Russians do not have envy!
        A rich, economically independent "not outskirts" of the EU.

        Yes, as I look around everyone complains, but everyone has everything! As I always remember! fellow On the streets there is nowhere to find parking from cars! People constantly leave the shops, they are great loaded with bags! Coffee is complete with visitors! It's like a quarantine ... At sea, everyone has either already been or is going. This year, our people are resting with us, although there are traffic jams on the border with Greece! The Ministers of Internal Affairs had to call!
        This is in the "outskirts" of the EU ...
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          Russians do not have envy!

          It is inherent in everyone, but you did not understand the irony, because Russian is not your native language. request
          1. pytar 28 July 2020 15: 36 New
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            It is inherent in everyone, but you did not understand the irony, because Russian is not your native language.

            Our languages ​​are close, I perfectly understand the irony! Your "note" is not ironic, but rather evil ... no
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              Your "note" is not ironic, but rather evil ...

              Skomorokhov wrote a "note" here, and I was just a comment. So the languages ​​are close, though. but different. And you do not understand me, and even if not everyone is given. wink
              1. pytar 28 July 2020 16: 41 New
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                And you do not understand me, and even if not everyone is given.

                By the cons that you "earned" I judge that not only I "do not understand". The problem is clearly yours ... no
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                By the cons that you "earned" I judge that not only I "do not understand". The problem is clearly yours.

                Are you here because of the minuses ?! The question is rhetorical. laughing
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                Are you here because of the minuses ?! The question is rhetorical.

                No, Daniel, I'm here because of communication with normal Russian people, of which there are many! They are the unbending backbone on which Russia is held, and has held on throughout its difficult thousand-year history!
  • pytar 28 July 2020 12: 55 New
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    And they already have no tomatoes

    Ha, ha !!! Just at the moment I am having a snack with delicious Bulgarian tomatoes, cucumbers, onions and feta cheese! Best in the world! Shopska salad is called!
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      Ha, ha !!! Just at the moment I am having a snack with delicious Bulgarian tomatoes, cucumbers, onions and feta cheese!

      And we couldn't find it. And they did not knock on the houses of private traders (such as summer residents in the Russian Federation). There is no such industrial base for processing, production of Bulgarian agricultural products, as in the USSR. In networks like "Janet" (a tape in the Russian Federation), they did not notice anything particularly Bulgarian. There is even ketchup - "Maheev" request
      1. pytar 28 July 2020 14: 17 New
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        And we couldn't find it. And they did not knock on the houses of private traders (such as summer residents in the Russian Federation). ... In networks like "Janet" (a tape in the Russian Federation), they did not notice anything particularly Bulgarian. There is even ketchup - "Maheev"

        Colleague, this year there really is a problem with tomatoes and some other vegetables. Probably due to the too rainy period in the spring. In our region, everything is more or less normal. There are Bulgarian agricultural markets, and vegetable gardens too. I buy ketchup only "Olenez". Ego is in all stores. It uses only natural Bulgarian vegetables.


        There is no such industrial base for processing, production of Bulgarian agricultural products, as in the USSR.

        I remember well how it was under socialism. He lived half his life with him. In the summer for the brigade, then we load the trains. Everything for the USSR! At that time, our stores were empty. A pitiful picture ... Country producer of agricultural products could not provide themselves with vegetables! All seasons now have it all! Native and imported. This is despite the export, which in 2019 brought approx. 5 EUR! Think about this figure - five billion euros ! Our territory is only 110 thousand. sq. km. - 2/3 mountains or hills! hi
        1. Tank hard 28 July 2020 14: 27 New
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          Colleague, this year there really is a problem with tomatoes. Probably due to too rainy period in spring

          Well, they admitted at least partially, albeit with a reservation. laughing And we did not see ketchup in the pictures, did not come across. repeat
          Quote: pytar
          He lived half his life with him. In the summer for the brigade, then we load the trains. Everything for the USSR!
          At that time, our stores were empty. A pitiful picture ... Country producer of agricultural products could not provide themselves with vegetables!

          Yeah, listen to you, the USSR would not have survived without Bulgaria's help. Bulgaria gave the last pants to the USSR. Straight to tears!
          Quote: pytar
          All seasons now have it all! Native and imported.

          Imported, native .. repeat
          Quote: pytar
          This is despite the export, which in 2019 brought approx. 5 EUR! Think about this figure - five billion euros in profit! Our territory is only 000 thousand. sq. km. - 000/000 mountains or hills!

          What a success! Where is Russia before you? repeat
          1. pytar 28 July 2020 15: 18 New
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            Well, they admitted at least partially, albeit with a reservation. laughing And we have not seen ketchup in the pictures, have not come across.

            Write to Google BG - "Ketchup Olineza". 19 thousand. results! You can also buy online. I have in all the shops in the city! 500 grams costs Wed 2,19 BGN / ~ 93 rubles /. There are also a bunch of Bulgarian brands, and there are other brands, for example, Deroni, which also use Bulgarian vegetables. yes
            That's why I say that you are either lying or do not know anything! yes
            Yeah, listen to you, the USSR would not have survived without Bulgaria's help. ... Straight to tears!

            I didn't say anything like that! You yourself came up with, "straight to tears"! laughing Need a handkerchief? crying
            Imported, native ..

            Yes! You didn't know that Bulgaria is in the middle climate. strip? You hike, not only do not know anything, but you have never even looked at the map! Our agriculture is seasonal! We import something, export something! Everything is always there!
            What a success! Where is Russia before you?

            Well, you do not hesitate to compare the richest country in natural resources in the world with the supposedly poorest of the EU! lol And I must say, the comparison is not unambiguous in the benefits of the richest ... Strange, right? bully
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              Quote: pytar
              Write to Google BG - "Ketchup Olineza". 19 thousand. results! You can also buy online. I have in all the shops in the city! 500 grams costs Wed 2,19 BGN / ~ 93 rubles /. There are also a bunch of Bulgarian brands, and there are other brands, for example, Deroni, which also use Bulgarian vegetables.
              That's why I say that you are either lying or do not know anything!

              Quote: pytar
              I didn't say anything like that! You yourself came up with, "straight to tears"! Need a handkerchief?

              Quote: pytar
              Yes! You didn't know that Bulgaria is in the middle climate. strip? You hike, not only do not know anything, but you have never even looked at the map! Our agriculture is seasonal! We import something, export something! Everything is always there!

              Quote: pytar
              Well, you do not hesitate to compare the richest country in natural resources in the world with the supposedly poorest of the EU! And I must say, the comparison is not unambiguous in the benefits of the richest... Strange, isn't it?

              Eck at the "Russophile" Boyan burns out! laughing Is it strange? No, it's not strange. "Russophiles" - they are. repeat
    2. mdsr 28 July 2020 14: 01 New
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      Ha, ha !!! Just at the moment I am having a snack with delicious Bulgarian tomatoes, cucumbers, onions and feta cheese! Best in the world! Shopska salad is called!

      good Bon appetit, Bulgarian comrade. I also now have a salad of homemade tomatoes and cucumbers drinks
      1. pytar 28 July 2020 14: 29 New
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        Bon appetit, Bulgarian comrade. I also now have a salad of homemade tomatoes and cucumbers

        Thank! To the salad, it goes well ...

        This is not the topic of the article under which we are writing, but I think there are things more important than oil and gas! drinks
  • pytar 28 July 2020 12: 52 New
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    you would be a respected Romanian .. ugh, a Bulgarian would be silent in a rag, we’ll figure it out with our own affairs somehow, go better harvest tomatoes

    Not respected Andrey, you obviously have nothing to say, so go to rudeness! lol And note, the Russian members of the forum got rid of you great! negative Which clearly shows that the majority of Russians are quite adequate people! It does not depend on nationality! yes
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      Dear Bulgarian comrade! Do not be offended by Zaputin's pseudo-patriots. This is their job. For 20 years of power, the result is awful, so they include a fool, or they flirt and are rude on a personal level. Their hidden ideal is a new lordship and slaves. They are such "patriots" that as soon as they are offered "Patria about Muerta", they immediately choose the third - "mani" and "ebrod" (abroad).
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        Dear Bulgarian comrade! Do not be offended by Zaputin's pseudo-patriots.

        Dear Andrey! hi I understand. This irrepressible urya-category in the minority, but it is loud and gives the impression of mass character. In fact, normal sane Russians are much more! They are the normal Russians. People are the unbending ridge on which Russia is held! They have always been, are and will be! Therefore, Russia will always be! good
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        Dear Bulgarian comrade! Do not be offended by Zaputin's pseudo-patriots. This is their job. For 20 years of power, the result is awful, so they include a fool, or they flirt and rude in their personal plan

        Oops !!!!! The main thing is to kick Putin ?????
        On this basis, the Bulgarian- anti-Soviet (!!!!!) immediately becomes "dear!!!!!
        Quote: pytar
        In the summer for the brigade, then we load the trains. Everything for the USSR! At that time, our stores were empty. Poor picture ... Country producer of agricultural products could not provide themselves with vegetables! All seasons now have it all!

        The USSR ate poor Bulgaria, so it comes out from the words of "respected"
        You at least looked - take someone as a companion
  • major147 28 July 2020 10: 57 New
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    We expect a flurry of negative comments and drawbacks from the side of the pro-Gazprovom forum users!

    Regular - not regular, but before the "virus" Gazprom was selling 200 billion cubic meters per year to the West hi
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      sic transit gloria mundi laughing
    2. pytar 28 July 2020 13: 01 New
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      Regular - not regular, but before the "virus" Gazprom was selling 200 billion cubic meters per year to the West

      It's right! hi But here you have to look at the trends! They are unfavorable for Gazprom. Not in the last place because of the ego is unwise investment policy.
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        Quote: pytar
        Regular - not regular, but before the "virus" Gazprom was selling 200 billion cubic meters per year to the West

        It's right! hi But here you have to look at the trends! They are unfavorable for Gazprom. Not in the last place because of the ego is unwise investment policy.

        Trends are “not favorable” not only for the energy supplier, but also for their consumers. It is not for nothing that consumption has dropped so much. And what about investment policy - was it normal before the "virus"? After all, 200 billion cubic meters of gas a year were sold and buyers asked for more ...
        1. pytar 28 July 2020 23: 29 New
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          Trends are “not favorable” not only for the energy supplier, but also for their consumers.

          A bunch of negative factors have stuck! Cumulative effect! And it is unclear when the situation will change. And it could get worse ...
          And what about investment policy - was it normal before the "virus"? After all, 200 billion cubic meters of gas a year were sold and buyers asked for more ...

          There were a number of mistakes made! I will say about 5 fundamental ones that came to my mind now, as I thought about your question:
          1. Pipelines are certainly good, and it is cheaper to push gas through them ... but ... there is no flexibility, this is a hospital! It is suitable for a stable environment where conditions do not change for a long time! And they, these conditions, have changed! The whole world enters turbulence, it is not known for how long and with what result!
          2. Gazprom and Ross. the leadership did not take into account the probabilistic scale of countermeasures from competitors! They were not ready to go to the Kremlin, in fact they are going into a dead end!
          3. "Greed does not lead to good!" - Gazprom acts as a monopolist! He's trying to break through the concrete wall instead of looking for the gate! Gazprom bosses / understand the Kremlin /, not inclined to compromise and retreat. They want everything, and as a result they lose a lot! I can give a concrete example from the South Stream. At one time, it was quite feasible, despite the obstructions from Brussels and Washington, if Gazprom agreed to transfer ownership of part of the pipeline to a company that was not formally related to it.
          4. "Show-off and business, things are incompatible!" - From Gazprom / read the Kremlin / they really like to make a fuss, boast about their grandiose plans! Understand - "we are so cool, we turn the world on our finger"! Megaproject, feats of alal! For comparison, look at China! How he implements truly gigantic projects, quietly, imperceptibly, without attracting attention! Learn from the Chinese gentlemen, or in 50 years you will speak Chinese yourself!
          5. Nothing in this world is eternal, nothing is immutable! Gas is good, but technology is developing so quickly that tomorrow they might invent something more environmentally friendly and cheaper! Everything is possible, nature itself makes humanity in a hurry!
          1. major147 28 July 2020 23: 35 New
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            Gazprom and Ross. the leadership did not take into account the probabilistic scale of countermeasures from competitors!

            Gazprom is ready to fight honestly with competitors, but not ready for the meanness of the "partners".
            https://politexpert.net/207135-bolgarskii-politolog-raskryl-plan-razvoda-evropy-s-rossiiskim-tureckim-potokom?utm_source=finobzor.ru
            It's time to sleep, tomorrow we will continue. hi
            1. pytar 29 July 2020 08: 52 New
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              Gazprom is ready to fight honestly with competitors, but not ready for the meanness of the "partners".

              In the big money world, there is no "fair competition". Politics is part of these games. Sergey, you cannot idealize Gazprom either. They are no better than their "partners".
              Thanks for the links. I know Plamen Paskov personally. I argued with him several times. In some ways he is right, in some things he is wrong. The economy is not ego power, he is strong on historical topics, even though he is a veterinarian by education.
              1. major147 29 July 2020 12: 48 New
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                In the big money world, there is no "fair competition".

                Well, if fair competition does not exist, why are we discussing everything here? Two crooks, one of whom sells and the other buys? If there are no moral principles, then there is nothing to discuss. Law of the jungle!
                The link was given by me, since Plamen showed a general modern trend, the agreement is not worth the paper on which it is written!
                1. pytar 29 July 2020 17: 38 New
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                  Well, if fair competition does not exist, why are we discussing everything here? ... The law of the jungle!

                  Discussing unfair competition. Both to the West and to the East, there are swindlers! Law of the jungle!
                  The link was given by me, since Plamen showed a general modern trend, the agreement is not worth the paper on which it is written!

                  In the given case, Plamen was correctly oriented. I said these things even when the protests began. By the way, the construction of the "Balkan Stream" continues, without installation! Yesterday I was at the site on my official duties. Everything's Alright!
                  https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/30724-prem-er-bolgarii-proinspektiroval-stroitel-stvo-balkanskogo-potoka
                  1. major147 29 July 2020 21: 27 New
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                    Quote: pytar
                    In the given case, Plamen was correctly oriented. I said these things even when the protests began.

                    I'm not talking about the protests in Bulgaria, you can figure it out there yourself. I mean that the EU leadership is two-faced people. Well, the Russian gas pipeline has not yet been declared war, and the same Azerbaijani pipeline has all the privileges. I don't even want to talk about the Americans.
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                      I mean that the EU leadership is two-faced people.

                      All leaderships are two-faced people. Otherwise, they would not be engaged in politics. lol