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Czech historian calls the Soviet Union a colonial empire

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Czech historian calls the Soviet Union a colonial empire

There is no need to debate whether socialism in Eastern Europe was a dictatorship or a totalitarian regime. This makes no sense, since no distinctive East European socialism has ever existed, but there were only satellite countries of the USSR, which followed the policy of their "big brother".


This is how the Czech historian Petr Hlavacek argues in an article published by Forum 24.

According to Hlavacek, in the civilizational and cultural plan, the Czech Republic and Russia have little in common. In the opinion of the historian, Slavic unity is a myth, since the Czech история and culture to a greater extent is closely related to Western civilization, which, as he believes, was completely alien to the Russians.

The historian thinks that Russia, not being a part of European civilization, tried to "mimic", interpreting Western values ​​in its own way. One example of this, he calls the Russian perception of communism, which later took shape in the Marxist-Leninist ideology. This ideology became an instrument of the USSR's colonial policy towards its eastern European neighbors.

The author believes that the Soviet Union played the role of a colonial empire for Eastern Europe. However, he did not mention that during the so-called post-war "occupation" of the Czech Republic and a number of other European countries, the USSR made colossal efforts to restore their economy and statehood itself. For some reason, it is not customary to recall this in the countries of the former Eastern Bloc.
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  1. Gar
    Gar 26 July 2020 15: 45 New
    21
    Another verbiage pearl. Russia has never been a colonial power, and integrated all the acquired territories and developed the economy, while not infringing on the rights of the local population of the aristocracy.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 26 July 2020 15: 53 New
      18
      Quote: Gar
      Another verbiage pearl. Russia has never been a colonial power

      No need to throw beads in front of pigs. You won't prove anything to them. Russophobes, lured by the State Department, will not pay any attention to your attempts to somehow reason with them. It is better to act in accordance with the Russian proverb - "The dog barks - the wind carries"
      1. Voyager
        Voyager 26 July 2020 16: 17 New
        +8
        According to this logic, we, as before, are losing the information war
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 26 July 2020 16: 42 New
          +3
          Czech historian calls the Soviet Union a colonial empire

          You have to be exactly the Empire. It is high time.
          And put cancer of those who arrange riots.
          Don't give a damn about the conquered lands.
          Kaliningrad should become an example.

          Europe came with the war. As a result, the Czech Republic, Poland and other aggressors were captured by our troops.
          These lands were to become part of our country.

          Don't fucking play democracy and other national crap.

          As a result, we have what we have - and the Czechs bark and the "states" of Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan and other misunderstandings on Russian lands.

          So, damn it, we're fucking mice.
          1. Revival
            Revival 26 July 2020 17: 11 New
            +3
            Although mainly on political topics I am your opponent, but on this issue, probably not.
            In my personal opinion, he just told the truth.
            The Czechs, in particular, were generally not against Hitler and therefore did not consider it a liberation.
            Here, rather, we made a mistake in our actions in relation to the Czech Republic during its occupation, and not only to it. Big mistake ...
            1. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 27 July 2020 17: 35 New
              +1
              Here, rather, we made a mistake in our actions in relation to the Czech Republic during its occupation, and not only to it. Big mistake ...

              Western Ukraine Stalin's biggest mistake
        2. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 26 July 2020 18: 06 New
          -3
          How do we lose? My family and I understand everything. So we are not losing, rather the opposite.
        3. Vlad T
          Vlad T 26 July 2020 18: 22 New
          -5
          It's strange to read this from the RF Ministry of Defense. A glaring lack of knowledge of history, because the Czechs have always been for the commonwealth of the Slavs because they lived in the neighborhood with Germany and always lived in danger. Because the Czechs in WWI created a whole Czech corps for the war with Austria-Hungary.This is tens of thousands of Czech fighters, to liberate Czechoslovakia with Slavic Russia ... ... Such a throw-in against the Czechs, as a petty dirty trick, having lost the intelligence war to the services of the United States and Britain, is indecent behavior, because breaking off relations with Czechoslovakia is tantamount to losing a natural ally. The question arises as to why the SRV RF constantly suffers loud failures, who is in charge, because it seems, by failures, that there is a whole farm of moles in the SVR ...
          1. Kisa
            Kisa 26 July 2020 20: 19 New
            0
            hmm controversial - the German-speaking population with the emergence of the Republic of Czechoslovakia in 1918 is almost three million Germans who lived at that time in Bohemia, Moravia and Czech Silesia and after the signing of the Munich Agreement, the Third Reich annexed / reunited the Sudetenland. Its residents welcomed this decision with enthusiasm - growing unemployment and oppression by the Czechoslovak authorities played a role in this ...
            1. Nikolai Korovin
              Nikolai Korovin 27 July 2020 22: 17 New
              0
              This enthusiasm was quickly replaced by bewilderment. In Germany, there were already serious difficulties with food, and those who flooded to look at the new acquisition of the Reich, playing with scissors prices, which in the Sudetenland were at first much lower, according to eyewitnesses, swept everything cleaned off the shelves. Hitler was already in full swing creating the NZ in case of a big war, and the Czechs and Sudeten Germans still ate well. Conflict situations between the Czech and German populations and "oppression" by the Czech authorities before "reunification" were fanned by German propaganda in the usual style of Dr. Goebbels, making an elephant out of a fly. By the way, the Czech population in the Sudetenland was also very significant. According to Goebbels, the local Czechs oppressed the Germans, i.e. they were, apparently, about half of the population of the region. The Czech Republic as a whole was generally very Germanized since 1618, in contrast to Slovakia, which this process affected later and weaker.
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 26 July 2020 22: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: Vlad T
            The question arises as to why the SRV RF constantly suffers loud failures, who is in charge, because it seems, by failures, that there is a whole farm of moles in the SVR ...

            Any action generates opposition ... The Czech Republic is quite friendly to Russia. But, as they say, what can not be done for the money offered .. So they write .. And in Russia all sorts of fighters against the "Putin regime" write, and in the Czech Republic with the local regime, and in the United States, local fighters against the "Trump regime" and in Papua New Guinea ... So, that has nothing to do with the SVR ... Democracy, the settlement of words .. Let them write ... Whoa!
      2. Tatyana
        Tatyana 26 July 2020 16: 41 New
        +1
        This Czech historian Petr Glavachek has only one revanchist, aggressively PARASITIC ideology regarding Russia as the successor to the USSR. Namely - "Everything that the Czech Republic owed to the USSR / Russia, we, the Czechs, forgive you, the Russians! But you, the Russian" colonialists ", remained to the Czech Republic!"

        It was such Czech Nazis as the pseudo-historical revanchist Pavel Glavachek who demolished the monument to Soviet Marshal Konev in Prague-6.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 26 July 2020 17: 02 New
          +3
          If Russia does not react at all to the Czech revanchists of Russia, as some suggest, then all Europeans will go far in the sense of ignoring Russia's national interests and national security.
          For fascization in the Czech Republic, and in other countries, in historical terms, is happening quite quickly. Namely, for example, in the Czech Republic we have:

          1. The Czech Republic is under the external control of the United States.
          2. The Czech Republic is a solid component of NATO and the European Union. "
          3. In the Czech Republic, October 21. In 2017, the ULTRA-RIGHT ANO movement ("Action of dissatisfied citizens") of billionaire Andrei Babish with a purely pro-American orientation won the parliamentary elections. 1,5 million Czechs out of 8 million voted for him. And these ultra-rightists, under the patronage of Washington, are gaining power in Prague in power - and in particular, it was they who demolished the monument to Marshal Konev in Prague-6!
          4. In fact, the President of the Czech Republic Milos Zeman sits in power practically on 2 chairs and according to the principle "ours and yours."
          5. Also. Czech Republic during WWII and WWII was not just an ally of Hitlerite Germany, but was precisely the forge of weapons for the Third Reich - its military-industrial complex plants stopped only on May 5, 1945. And they will work for the war against Russia now.
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 26 July 2020 17: 49 New
            +2
            Czech historian
            it even sounds ridiculous ... although, yes, a prostitute can get such an education, but her job will remain the same ...
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          2. Vlad T
            Vlad T 27 July 2020 13: 59 New
            -1
            Tatyana, you were not educated in the United States, since such calculations? ... Hmm, - an obvious anti-Russian, anti-Slavic stuffing ... It makes no sense to disassemble and expose, propagandists do not perceive logic ...
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 27 July 2020 17: 15 New
              -1
              Are you by any chance promoting your Latvian website "Vladas Puzas" here?
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              1. Vlad T
                Vlad T 27 July 2020 21: 03 New
                -1
                Firstly, this is in Lithuanian, and secondly, do not attribute what is not ... Since 1990, millions of Russians have emigrated from Russia due to the fault of liberals and economic reasons, draw conclusions ...
                1. Vlad T
                  Vlad T 27 July 2020 21: 11 New
                  -1
                  Tatiana (Officer's daughter ...) Adding, such warnings are given by most developed sites, including Russian ones, .... Now you have completely proven your belonging to the anti-Russian trolls, and even deceitful ones, with obvious abilities of a provocateur and too much for professional provocation looks like......
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 28 July 2020 09: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: Vlad T
                    Firstly, this is in Lithuanian, and secondly, do not attribute what is not ...
                    This is a good fix for you. For Lithuania is geographically even closer to the Russophobic Poland than Latvia, and closely borders on Poland, hostile to Russia.
                    By the way, Poland is also a supposedly Slavic state, only with a completely different religion.
                    Therefore, I repeat to you, Vladas Puzas, my question.
                    Are you by any chance promoting your own Llit website "Vladas Puzas" here?
                    Slapukai
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                    Privalomi slapukai yra būtini mūsų interneto svetainės ir elektroninių paslaugų veikimui užtikrinti. Šie slapukai veikia visuomet ir jiems nėra reikalingas Jūsų sutikimas.
                    Kai kurie slapukai yra trečiųjų šalių. Jūs galite sutikti su funkcinių ar funkcinių ir rinkodaros slapukų naudojimu. Slapukų pasirinkimą galite valdyti nustatymuose. Uždarius šį langą bus įrašomi tik privalomi slapukai. Daugiau informacijos Slapukų politikoje.
                    Vladas Puzas

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                    Quote: Vlad T
                    Since 1990, millions of Russians have emigrated from Russia due to the fault of liberals and economic reasons, draw your conclusions ...

                    So I draw conclusions.
                    It looks like it is you, Vladas Puzas, the "officer's son" here.
                    1. Vlad T
                      Vlad T 28 July 2020 10: 44 New
                      -1
                      Such cited notifications are sent by well-known sites with thousands of visitors. Problem, I do not have a website and I can not send it .. Secondly, my nickname (pseudonym) is assigned in BOLD font, usually it would be printed in the same font as the text. The text was not fully translated in order to hide the essence and purpose of the text, but he warns that there may be hidden files - what is the problem here ... Conclusion: dirty work and efforts to muddle ... Such diligence is seen as an answer to my first comment for you, that you are a troll and an agent hostile to Russia, but the main one, did not refute the charges, but pounced on the slops ... You showed your essence ...
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 28 July 2020 11: 14 New
                        0
                        I am not interested in your personal business, although it also gives personal information about you.
                        I am interested in the country you represent, which country you are a citizen of, your nationality, age, to have a complete picture of why you think so - and nothing more.
                        In principle, everything is already clear to me about you.
                        So you can "rest".
                      2. Vlad T
                        Vlad T 28 July 2020 11: 18 New
                        -1
                        Well, yes, we need data for a questionnaire for development ... Dull agents went ...
                      3. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 28 July 2020 11: 24 New
                        0
                        Nobody needs you, "the officer's son"!
      3. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 27 July 2020 22: 24 New
        0
        Czech workers fared better than German ones. The volume of production of ammunition in the Czech Republic during the Great Patriotic War amounted to about 35% of all that Germany spent on our front. Czech trucks were popular among the Wehrmacht, tanks were much smaller, and aircraft were not listed.
  2. venik
    venik 26 July 2020 17: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Piramidon
    No need to throw beads in front of pigs. You won't prove anything to them.

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    good drinks
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    Quote: Piramidon
    It is better to act in accordance with the Russian proverb - "The dog barks - the wind carries"

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    Or the Eastern proverb: "The dog barks, but the caravan is GOING!" By the way - this is exactly what makes the most Oppressive impression (on the dog!) .....
  3. volodimer
    volodimer 26 July 2020 18: 33 New
    +1
    That namesake is right ... and the saying is not ours, and does not sound like that ... In one thing, you are right ... ssa .. if we are on any such "historians" from the "high hill". And here our historians can tell how this expression was born. And about "much" we can also this "historian" ... They love to lie under a German in their colonial empire, and the Russians are bad colonists ... they did not oppress, did not exterminate, but fed, helped, developed ... well, absolutely wrong colonizers ...
    1. Kisa
      Kisa 26 July 2020 20: 36 New
      +1
      I will not speak patriotically, but that Czech pepper is right - the whole CMEA all East Europe dreamed of fleeing from that liberation then. 10 years after the war, the Prague spring began Czechoslovakia Hungary Poland 50-60s ... they did not realize their happiness there. Or we drove a few tanks out into the street ??? they still lived gorgeous compared to the Soviet Union ... Western Europe also started from ruins ...
  4. Vlad T
    Vlad T 26 July 2020 18: 36 New
    -3
    Truth wins, and in order to win, you need to be truthful. We still have propaganda from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, it doesn’t allow many to look at it with an open mind. For all the countries of the Warsaw Pact, the USSR was a victorious empire, dictating living conditions. That these conditions were often both good and correct, you cannot be so forcibly sweet - this must be realized ... And the Czech is right, for him the USSR is only like an empire that dictated the conditions of life ... I am not a liberast, but one hundred percent ... As for the anti-Slavism of the Czechs, it is a vile lie - who knows the history of the Czechs and their people ...
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 July 2020 19: 16 New
      +1
      Respect! hi All to the point! And there is nothing to add! good
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 26 July 2020 19: 18 New
      +1
      Do not blah blah!
      The Czech Republic is the essence of the German land of Bohemia, everything else is from the evil one!
      Are they tired of broadcasting from the backyard, they want to crawl into the gentlemen?
      Will not work! The EU is slowly crumbling ...
      1. Vlad T
        Vlad T 26 July 2020 19: 45 New
        -3
        You were a two-man or a liar that you lie openly, there are no two students here ... Bohemia, only a small northwestern part of the Czech Republic, look at the map ... Where do such dunno-provocateurs come from, from enemies, not otherwise ...
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 26 July 2020 21: 34 New
          +1
          Is this Puzasy among Russia’s friends?
          I saw such friends in the grave: I prefer to see an open enemy than to communicate with a scoundrel from the Tribals.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 26 July 2020 22: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: hydrox
            Is this Puzasy among Russia’s friends?
            I saw such friends in the grave: I prefer to see an open enemy than to communicate with a scoundrel from the Tribals.

            You know, my friend is a Latvian ... A descendant of a red Latvian rifleman! In Russia, you can be Ethiopian by origin. But the most Russian person in her history. For example A.S. Pushkin ...
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 26 July 2020 23: 37 New
    0
    Quote: Gar
    Russia has never been a colonial power, and integrated all the acquired territories and developed the economy, while not infringing on the rights of the local population of the aristocracy.

    The Poles confused Russia and the Anlo-Saxon organized criminal group.
  • Mytholog
    Mytholog 26 July 2020 15: 45 New
    +8
    Recently, a fresh stream of Russophobia has been gushing out from the Czech Republic.
    Balm for the wounds of the CIA, otherwise the Poles and the Balts began to run out of steam.
    And from Ukraine, in general, one can hear Bender's stupidity ...
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 26 July 2020 15: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Mytholog
      Recently, a fresh stream of Russophobia has been gushing out from the Czech Republic.

      Why, only recently? It has been in their blood for a long time.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 July 2020 15: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Mytholog
      Recently, a fresh stream of Russophobia has been gushing out from the Czech Republic.

      And what do you want from the Germans.
      1. Mytholog
        Mytholog 26 July 2020 16: 04 New
        +4
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And what do you want from the Germans.

        By the way, no such nonsense is heard from the Germans. They prefer to keep quiet.
        Well, apart from the exhibition in Potsdam recently. But there was clearly no German will.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 26 July 2020 16: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Mytholog
          By the way, no such nonsense is heard from the Germans.

          Germans, Austrians, Czechs are one and the same.
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            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 26 July 2020 20: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: ism_ek
              The Czech Republic became independent just 100 years ago.

              And until this 500 years it was Bohemia, and spoke German. That Czech, that Sumerka, Mova, created after WWI.
      2. Revival
        Revival 26 July 2020 17: 13 New
        0
        Exactly. I will not develop my thought ..
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 26 July 2020 15: 48 New
    +1
    The author considers ...

    Yes? And I, for example, count to five. So what? lol
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 July 2020 15: 59 New
      +7
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      Yes? And I, for example, count to five. So what?

      Nothing, a very literate person, that's all.
      1. Revival
        Revival 26 July 2020 16: 56 New
        0
        I gave both of you a favor!
        Dexterous serve, deft grab!))
  • Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 26 July 2020 15: 48 New
    -9
    However, he did not mention that during the so-called post-war "occupation" of the Czech Republic and a number of other European countries, the USSR made colossal efforts to restore their economy and statehood itself.

    In the 15 years after the collapse of the social bloc, the Czech Republic has developed in a way that it did not develop in 45 years of communism.
    1. Alexander Sosnitsky
      Alexander Sosnitsky 26 July 2020 16: 11 New
      +3
      My father Sosnitsky Vasily Andreevich, who passed through many European countries with the 6th Guards Rivne Order and Banner Division, especially admired the Czech Republic and its people. I suspect that I may have relatives there, when he was standing in the Prague city near Prague, 70 km southeast (I can not find him on the map now). Before Hitler, the Czechs produced much more per capita than Germany. Therefore, you do not need to substitute concepts. today the Czech Republic is nothing compared to what it was.
      1. Simon schempp
        Simon schempp 26 July 2020 16: 37 New
        -5
        today the Czech Republic is nothing compared to what it was.

        Well, for this I must say thank you to the "blessed" period of socialism.
        1. Alexander Sosnitsky
          Alexander Sosnitsky 26 July 2020 21: 51 New
          -1
          You did not understand. For the most part, the Czechs got up to play games with fascism and, like everyone else, got what they deserved. The USSR alone, without any investment, rebuilt thanks to its socialism, and even earlier, single-handedly defeated the whole of fascist Europe, in short, the whole of Europe. Then Churchill's speech was unforgettable, no one pulled his tongue, and the Cold War, which the USSR once again won alone, and then failed to cope with its wealth as a workers 'and peasants' Bolshevik power, conceived by the Bolsheviks who had arrived from subversive Europe with a Kaiser wagon of gold for Finnish railway station (see April theses). Well, the RK state has no brains, it is not spelled out, so they got the dancing Yeltsin, too, to the delight of the same Europe. Where is socialism, which came from the West, and where is Russia, the antagonist of the West? Therefore, I again ask you not to substitute concepts and not hang your ... on Russia. You have two choices: either you prov or blacks or db. Please inform.
    2. Operator
      Operator 26 July 2020 16: 11 New
      0
      Learn arithmetic - 1990 years have passed since 30, not 15 years.

      Plus, everything that the West has invested in the Czech Republic over three decades will now have to be worked out in full until the return of the Sudetenland to Germany - which we will warmly support, since the rest will be ours bully
      1. Simon schempp
        Simon schempp 26 July 2020 16: 28 New
        -7
        Learn arithmetic - 1990 years have passed since 30, not 15 years.

        I know how many years have passed.
        I say that in 15 years of capitalism, the Czech Republic has achieved more than in 45 years of socialism.
        now have to work out in full until the return of the Sudetenland to Germany


        It's just nonsense. This will not happen. The Czech Republic has become part of the developed world, and no one will reproach them with a piece of bread.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 26 July 2020 16: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: Simon Schempp
          I say that in 15 years of capitalism, the Czech Republic has achieved more than in 45 years of socialism.

          Well, at least the fact that the Czech Republic was Czechoslovakia, and now these are separate states.
        2. Operator
          Operator 26 July 2020 17: 18 New
          +1
          For 15 years, the entire Czech industry passed into the hands of the Germans, who began to invest in it, which is absolutely natural for the owners.

          Learn to call your former country correctly - Bohemia laughing
        3. pytar
          pytar 26 July 2020 17: 44 New
          -1
          I say that in 15 years of capitalism, the Czech Republic has achieved more than in 45 years of socialism.

          Until 1938, Czechoslovakia was one of the top 10 most developed industrial countries. After 1945, despite the fact that the CSR looked better against the background of other socialist countries, due to the inefficiency of the socialist economy, it began to lag behind. In addition, they suppressed the "Prague Spring", which proved that the totalitarian system was unsuitable for evolution. After the advent of democracy, the Czech Republic integrated into the international economic system. Vesma is successfully developing, since the Czechs have a natural craving for technology! This Slavic people know how to work as it should! hi
          now have to work out in full until the return of the Sudetenland to Germany

          This man is clearly far from reality ...
          And you are a plus! good
          1. Junior Private
            Junior Private 26 July 2020 18: 20 New
            -2
            "After the advent of democracy, the Czech Republic integrated into the international economic system. Vesma is developing successfully, since the Czechs have a natural craving for technology! This Slavic people know how to work."
            Yes Yes Yes. I was always amazed at adults who do not understand the obvious things. What you call "integrate into the international economic system" actually means that Democracy poured a lot of money into the Czech Republic and bought you with all the giblets (but whose Skoda?). And now you work for your uncle, and you rejoice in democracy and that they do not forget to feed you. As a result of buying and selling, your country has no political will, weight and independence. From a free socialist country with the support of the USSR, the Czech Republic (and not only) turned into a privatized natural colony. Open your eyes.
            1. pytar
              pytar 26 July 2020 19: 14 New
              -1
              I was always amazed at adults who do not understand the obvious things.

              It amazes me, too, how some people cannot accept a different view! It is even more amazing when they consider their opinion more correct than those of those who live in a given country!
              If the Czechs were as bad as you believe, they would all ransack you! Unfortunately for you, this is not observed, which is the most weighty evidence that you are wrong!
              Democracy piled up a lot of money and bought you with all the giblets ... now you work for an uncle ... that they do not forget to feed you. ... your country has no political will, weight and independence. From a free socialist country with the support of the USSR, the Czech Republic (and not only) turned into a privatized natural colony.

              Leonid, who do you work for? Aunt? Is it socialism or communism? What's yours? What "free" country was the Czech Republic if they could hardly tolerate you? With what parallel world are you writing all this?
              Open your eyes.

              Wipe your glasses, windows and look around! You have a tough oligarchy, you belong to it with giblets! Before you run into others, organize your country yourself! And then your lectures look tragicomic!
              1. Junior Private
                Junior Private 26 July 2020 20: 36 New
                +1
                Let's essentially. It is even possible with the expansion of "geography": which of the countries of the former Warsaw Bloc is politically INDEPENDENT? The presence of outside control automatically classifies the country as a colony.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 26 July 2020 21: 10 New
                  -1
                  As your guarantor said - "All countries of the world are interdependent! No absolutely independent countries!" And so that you understand the difference, I will say this: the OVD bloc was assembled on an ideological principle. He always had a centrifugal mood. Over time, they intensified. Ideology collapsed and the OVD collapsed. Now there are none or they are very weak. Conclusion - there are 2 types of addictions - 1. acceptable or 2. unacceptable for most of society. Draw your own conclusions. hi
                  1. Junior Private
                    Junior Private 26 July 2020 21: 40 New
                    +1
                    There can be only one conclusion - when capitalism comes to power, sooner or later it will take the last pants off the majority. Compare this to the communist "roof". And the EU will not feed everyone for a long time for beautiful eyes. hi
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 26 July 2020 23: 23 New
                      +1
                      There can be only one conclusion - when capitalism comes to power, sooner or later it will take the last pants off the majority. Compare this to the communist "roof".

                      Capitalisms are different! Scadinavian straight socialist! Socialisms are also different. The Chinese bears little resemblance to socialism, while the North Korean is not at all similar. All extremes are flawed. The Soviet was doomed to extinction. It lacked internal competition and democracy. No society can develop without competition, no matter how beautiful the ego slogans are.
                      And the EU will not feed everyone for a long time for beautiful eyes.

                      For several years before, I was an opponent of the EU! From the standpoint of the past tense, I can say one thing - the EU is the best thing that happened to Europe in its entire history! And not because it "feeds", but because it gives great opportunities in all spheres of life! Not without jambs, but where are they not? If the EU collapses, it will be a terrible tragedy for all European nations!
                      1. hydrox
                        hydrox 27 July 2020 08: 43 New
                        +2
                        This is how your EU decays ...
                        It is unviable, like any egoistic Libyan regime.
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 27 July 2020 10: 21 New
                        -1
                        This is how your EU decays ...

                        "Decomposing", but the pancake ... smells good! lol There was such a joke during socialism! And while they waited for the decay of the West, socialism rotted ...
                        It is unviable, like any egoistic Libyan regime.

                        You are an obvious "expert" on the topic, of which there are many ... bully
                    2. Junior Private
                      Junior Private 27 July 2020 11: 42 New
                      +2
                      Of course, the EU is the best, so England is leaving it. Strange, isn't it? And when a couple more breadwinners leave, what will you eat?
                    3. pytar
                      pytar 27 July 2020 12: 22 New
                      -1
                      Of course, the EU is the best, so England is leaving it. Strange, isn't it?

                      The presence of Great Britain in the EU was strange! It always looked unnatural to me! Great Britain has its own commonality - Commonwealth realms... The British Queen is the head of many of the member states! Didn't you know?
                      And when a couple more breadwinners leave, what will you eat?

                      My land, fertile! This is the place where the Lord himself put his palms! We will feed ourselves and help others! yes
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 26 July 2020 19: 04 New
        -2
        You don't know history from the word "absolutely". Minus you.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 26 July 2020 16: 38 New
    -6
    until the return of the Sudetenland to Germany - which we will warmly support, since the rest will be ours


    Operator, are you always carrying a blizzard or is there an exacerbation?

    You got only the middle class, with a salary of 150 euros and that's all that shines for you. And if you peep wrong, then your Roszhandarmeria will correct your brains.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 27 July 2020 08: 54 New
      +3
      Kaiser, you have a very poor understanding of what is happening now in Russia: although everything is calm from above, tectonics that has not existed since the October Revolution is seething inside.
      For example, try to track what is happening in the last six months with the privatized asset No. 1 (NorNickel) - I think that until the end of the year it will not be able to hold out in private ownership. And do not pay attention to the privatization plans of the former Government: we have on our nose a new reformatting of our Government with the complete removal of the liberda from the economic power of the Russian Federation - so privatization is highly unlikely.
  • Volodin
    Volodin 26 July 2020 16: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: Simon Schempp
    In the 15 years after the collapse of the social bloc, the Czech Republic has developed in a way that it did not develop in 45 years of communism.

    It's just that the period of the main payments on German loans has not come yet ...
    And by the way, what happened to the development of the Czech Republic in the next 15 years?
    1. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 26 July 2020 16: 35 New
      -2
      It's just that the period of the main payments on German loans has not come yet ...

      And what will it change?
      And by the way, what happened to the development of the Czech Republic in the next 15 years?

      Active development continued. In 2005, GDP per capita in the Czech Republic was one third of that of France. Today, the Czech Republic's GDP is already half that of France.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 27 July 2020 09: 00 New
        +1
        Simon, the global crisis is just beginning, and European exports are several times more expensive than Chinese ones - so the Czech Republic has absolutely no chance of surviving under the dominance of Chinese imports.
        And since all Czech industry belongs to Germans, Czech jobs will be closed first of all, and only then German ones.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 July 2020 16: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Volodin
      And by the way, what happened to the development of the Czech Republic in the next 15 years?

      So far, the Czech Republic follows the GDP level of Portugal and Romania, but still much more than Ukraine.
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        1. Simon schempp
          Simon schempp 26 July 2020 18: 31 New
          0
          Slave Psychology

          No, well, this is just ridiculous.
          When the Czech government is planning some kind of tax crap. Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets and Czech bureaucrats gave the back. When the pension reform was introduced in Russia, 98,5% of Russians were left behind in their burrows.
          By God, you don’t call anyone slaves.
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        2. volodimer
          volodimer 26 July 2020 19: 08 New
          +1
          Bulgarians harnessed to the Czechs ... Boyan, Eugene? Share your achievements! I remember your Izotovskie komplektuhi for our-your ES computers, about the food industry ... AAA! Far East, we lived on your products! Juices, jams, lecho, ... Even shitty "Mastic", hellish swill wassat
          All the Kurds of the Soviet Union remember: Rhodope, Stewardess, Inter, Opal, BT, Tu ... I'll get tired of cleaning up here ...
          Perhaps some of this is produced under the Phillips Morris label, but most likely it is no longer tobacco, but tasteless rubbish.
          The USSR is gone, what have you achieved?
          Union did not give you life?
          And what about the Czech Republic ... Yes, only Skoda, as a subsidiary of VW ... And beer ... which is different in each country. I tried the Irish "Sapporo", it's creepy, compared to the Japanese "Sapporo", the technology is the same, but the water is different. By the way, both countries are completely capitalist and one cannot say that the "scoop is to blame" for this.
          А Simon schemppu, I can say that we have a lot of fans to dream, how it would be ... Specifically about you, everything is clear, you are one of those "Czechs" for whom the collapse of "Protektorát Čechy a Morava" was a disaster ...
          1. pytar
            pytar 26 July 2020 20: 25 New
            +2
            Bulgarians harnessed to the Czechs ...

            Not for the Czechs, but against propaganda! bully Although the topic does not apply to my country, despite how distorted the situation in Eastern Europe is in Russia, I was indignant and decided to write a couple of comments. Sometimes I visit the Czech Republic, the country is beautiful, the people are good! Slavs! drinks
            Share your achievements!

            When the article about Bulgaria appears, I will speak out. I suppose Eugene will write something.
            1. volodimer
              volodimer 26 July 2020 21: 05 New
              +2
              Boyan, tell me that I don't think so about Bulgaria ... In short, when she was in the CMEA, she had not only a developed agriculture that supplied the entire USSR, which I wrote about, but also industrially Bulgaria was far away not in last place. The same CDs with music in the late 90s, I bought Bulgarian, not Chinese ... Was Bulgaria in the outskirts of Europe under the Soviet Union?
              For some reason, everyone thinks that only external factors prevent them from being successful. Some, for example, believe that if we had not fought in 1877-78 ... and why ... Better prepared for the capture of Constantinople and would have chosen a convenient moment. ..
              1. volodimer
                volodimer 26 July 2020 21: 11 New
                +1
                е
                if we had not fought in 1877-78 ... and why ... better prepared for the capture of Constantinople and would have chosen a convenient moment ...

                Do not think that I am sorry ... Our ancestors fought together ... I have no other choice for them.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 26 July 2020 23: 14 New
                  0
                  There was hardly any other choice. It was a just, righteous undertaking! All the problems later appeared due to the fact that some / I will not indicate who / went away from the purposes of conduct and justice. One way or another, our peoples are inextricably linked! Politicians come and go, but nations remain. hi Everything will be fine!
              2. pytar
                pytar 26 July 2020 23: 07 New
                0
                Dear Volodymyr, hi / am I spelling the name correctly? /, since the topic is not the right one, I will write briefly:
                The planned socialist economy could not exist under the new market conditions. I had to rebuild and in this they achieved very good results. The pandemic has brought some negative correctives, but this is the case all over the world. I will recommend one article on VO, it is from 2018 but gives an idea of ​​the situation. There are also my comments, if you are interested read.
                https://topwar.ru/140445-buduschee-ekonomiki-bolgarii-vyglyadit-optimistichno.html
                Some, for example, believe that if we had not fought in 1877-78 ... and why ... better prepared for the capture of Constantinople and would have chosen a convenient moment ...

                Constantinople would have been yours, since 1913 without a single shot in the Russian side, but Russia made a major political mistake, and now ... the most holy for all Orthodox cathedral "St. Sophia", Erdogan recently turned into jamia.
                A good, extremely oblique article for ru-net on the topic:
                https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2017/10/20/738689-bratushki-bratoubiitsami
          2. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 27 July 2020 11: 22 New
            +1
            Hi Volodimer (or Vladimir?), Sorry, I don't know exactly how to pronounce your name ...

            Bulgarians harnessed to the Czechs ... Boyan, Eugene?


            Yes, I'm not harnessing the Czechs, but the Operator's stupid statements infuriated me a little. If there is a normal conversation about Eastern Europe - ok, I will be pleased. But only spitting in this direction, it's hard to understand.

            Share your achievements!


            Yes, I am an economist - I can write War and Peace about the development of Bulgaria and before 1944 and during the period of socialism and now. All with numbers and examples. Yes, nobody here is interested in this - it is easier to think that without the USSR everything fell apart in Eastern Europe and we are kirdyk.

            But everything is not so - at equal prices, we surpassed the best years of socialism back in 2007 (in terms of nominal GDP), the percentage of industry we have is 32% with kopecks, and in Germany it is 38% (2019), export is positive, the average GDP growth is about 3,5% (but this is not enough), the average salary is 700 euros and the annual growth is 12-13% over the past 5 years. The country's debt is the lowest in the EU, after Luxembourg. The IMF - we just get money from them, there are no debts and interest is accrued from our participation there. And so on and so forth.

            Our problems are not at all with the economy. It is growing even with the new crisis in 2020. We have problems with corruption and politicians. This is unacceptable for EU standards. So with this we bang our heads, change the system and hope that there will be new politicians that will be better. And the Czechs are really developing at a tremendous pace and we have nothing to think about them. They have always been in the center of Europe and have always been an industrial power, so they will not be lost now.
        3. Vincenzo
          Vincenzo 26 July 2020 21: 25 New
          +1
          Andrey, you are a humorist !!! First, we note that the authorities still treat the people of Russia as serfs !!! The referendum was the last proof of this !!! GDP, in principle, does not care what people think !!
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 27 July 2020 09: 11 New
            0
            Boyan, very bad.
            Why do you forget that more than half of your citizens wander around Europe and the surrounding area in search of earnings, not remembering your nationality and not giving a damn about the citizenship of YOUR country?
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 27 July 2020 11: 33 New
              +1
              that more than half of your citizens wander around Europe


              Hydrox .... :))) not half, but 2 million is ... And Europe is one power, with free movement of people and goods, so if I work in Sofia or Brussels or London, it doesn't matter. Half of my clients are located somewhere in Europe.

              not remembering your nationality and not giving a damn about the citizenship of YOUR country


              Dear - in Bulgaria, half a million Russians have property, permanent residence, and every year tens of thousands receive the country's passports. The Slavs integrate well everywhere and earn excellent money. And their children are already born citizens of the country in which they are located and normally they are no longer Bulgarians or Russians, although they remember the roots and know the language. As for our passport - it is already valuable as an EU document and we fly to half the world with it, and in Europe I wander around with only one ID card - for example, I have not had a passport for probably 15 years ... I just get on a plane and for 8 euros I go to Berlin.

              So your people are also fleeing to Europe or to other places at the speed of light and whoever they can. These are normal migrations - nothing bad.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 27 July 2020 11: 50 New
                0
                Sorry, but OUR people are NOT running.
                These are our former citizens, but they have problems with the Criminal Code (theft, fraud, illegal privatization and even corruption and murder).
                And they leave to you not for permanent residence, but flee from our justice, fearing punishment for criminal cases and deeds.
                1. Keyser soze
                  Keyser soze 27 July 2020 13: 33 New
                  +1
                  Sorry, but OUR people are NOT running.
                  These are our former citizens, but having problems with the Criminal


                  Hydrox .... runs the color of your nation. Your engineers, doctors, teachers run to Western universities to teach. I know enough Russians in Bulgaria and in the EU and even in Shchaty. All of them are not oligarchs and vors at all, but ordinary people who work for a salary. The same thing happens to us - our best children go to study at EU universities and may come back, fortunately, it is not far away, or maybe not.
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 27 July 2020 16: 22 New
                    +1
                    Yes, there is such a thing: people are leaving who have a good education and upbringing, but do not have enough will to fight the petty abominations of our life, who believe that they can find a job that is better paid and for whom a small closed one is enough for a comfortable stay the little world of your home.
                    And yes, you can seek happiness abroad at 35-45 years old, but for a Russian it is absolutely impossible to run at 50-60 years old, by this age we are already growing into Russia and its vastness - it does not have this feeling NO ONE of those who live abroad RUSSIA.
                    And this feeling tends to be additional and constant inner suffering for a Russian person abroad.
                    1. Keyser soze
                      Keyser soze 27 July 2020 21: 59 New
                      +1
                      but for a Russian it is absolutely impossible to run at 50-60 years old, by this age we are already growing into Russia and its expanses -


                      Yes, no one needs us and you are no longer needed at 50-60 ... I am 50 and if I didn’t have my own company, no one would have hired me. Big companies hire young people for cheap. At this age, I can not give a damn about the boss and the money and the big comrades and everything in general ... I don't have enough native dolboyas, but I don't care for foreign ones, working in a foreign land - thanks, but I don't want to.
                    2. hydrox
                      hydrox 28 July 2020 08: 27 New
                      +2
                      You see, you were able to organize your business, but there are never more than 10-15% of the population with such a brain device - so I, with the position of a researcher and a bunch of patents, could not get a job over the hill, and now I am retired.
          2. pytar
            pytar 27 July 2020 11: 36 New
            0
            Why do you forget that more than half of your citizens wander around Europe and the surrounding area in search of earnings ...

            I do not forget. Most of our guest workers are poorly educated from the Roma community. They are very mobile, doing what they do all over Europe. In general, Bulgarian citizens working for foreign countries send about 1 billion euros to their homeland. in year! At the same time, and for comparison, guest workers withdrew from the Russian Federation in 2018 alone, almost 12 billion dollars!
            not remembering your nationality and not giving a damn about the citizenship of your country?

            You are wrong. In fact, most of them retain their Bulgarian citizenship.
            It should be borne in mind that the EU is essentially like one big country with different regions, like the Russian Federation. And how in the Russian Federation workers from one region go to work in another. hi
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 27 July 2020 11: 53 New
              +1
              Forgive me, but these are people who do not have a homeland. The Russians who make such a crossing over the border are somehow erased from the memory of those who remain in Russia.
              By the way, Ukraine has already been punished for cosmopolitanism by simply limiting their movement across the EU. Keep in mind that with the intensification of the crisis, your compatriots and other Young Europeans will face the same fate with job cuts - this is still ahead for you.
              It will be easier for us - we will simply reduce the quotas for hiring gasarbeiters.
              1. pytar
                pytar 27 July 2020 12: 11 New
                +1
                Forgive me, but these are people who have no homeland.

                Sorry, but they and I don't think so! Historically, it so happened that long ago / for centuries / large Bulgarian diasporas found themselves in foreign states. They still retain their Bulgarian identity, and are proud of their origin!
                The Russians who make such a crossing over the border are somehow swept out of the memory of those who remain in Russia.

                This is beyond chauvinism and narrowly organized mentality, into a part of Russian society! It is not right!
                Keep in mind that with the intensification of the crisis, your compatriots and other Young Europeans will face the same fate with job cuts - this is still ahead for you.

                First - no "Young Europeans". Europe is up to the Urals. Second, many are returning because of the crisis. This poses a problem, but more or less successfully, the authorities are trying to solve it. An hour ago, the premier announced a second social pocket, in the amount of about 1 euros, to fight the crisis caused by the pandemic. There was the first package, also billions of euros! If Bulgaria were not a member of the EU, it would not have been able to accumulate such a margin of safety!
                It will be easier for us - we will simply reduce the quotas for hiring gasarbeiters.

                I have relatives, Russians. I often visit Russia. I assure you - Bulgaria is coping with the crisis much better than Russia! And this despite the fact that Russia is the richest country in the world, and Bulgaria is considered the poorest country in the EU!
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 27 July 2020 12: 31 New
                  +1
                  Quote: pytar
                  Europe is up to the Urals.

                  Yes, to the Urals, but in a crisis, the quota is determined by Russia, not the EU - jobs are needed for Russians.
                  Quote: pytar
                  I assure you - Bulgaria is coping with the crisis much better than Russia!

                  Your crisis has not yet begun: when it starts, you will feel it right away!
                  One thing is clear: your compatriots will soon increase and real estate will increase in value, but these will be people who are out of tune with the law and, yes, they will not be poor.
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                  2. hydrox
                    hydrox 28 July 2020 08: 32 New
                    +1
                    You would have shouted less nonsense about fascism in Russia, otherwise you, the Young Europeans, will have to be judged by one of the two under the article of the Criminal Code and assigned to felling or pushing a wheelbarrow with gravel - we will now have a lot of infrastructure jobs!
                  3. pytar
                    pytar 28 July 2020 09: 07 New
                    0
                    oh, how scared !!! laughing
                  4. hydrox
                    hydrox 28 July 2020 09: 13 New
                    +1
                    Then keep: As you were the Nazi mats in the Great Patriotic War, so you stayed with them.
                    End of communication
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    3. hydrox
      hydrox 27 July 2020 12: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: pytar
      In general, Bulgarian citizens working for foreign countries send about 1 billion euros to their homeland. in year!

      Somehow you are strange about compatriots ...
      We believe that Russians should live in Russia, work in Russia, leave added value in the country, pay taxes in the country and form social funds for public consumption (social insurance, health care, education, culture ...) and, in general, ensure LIFE in the country. - you have the opposite.
      1. pytar
        pytar 27 July 2020 12: 44 New
        +1
        Somehow you are strange about compatriots ...

        And to me your attitude to your sonar monitors looks strange!
        A Bulgarian remains a Bulgarian as long as he himself is considered that! Every Bulgarian carries in his heart of Bulgaria, wherever he is!
        DE E BULGARIA? - FEED WHILE. IN SIRTSETO FAST - NYAMA DA SKRIA. IN MEASTO ZAKTANO, HEAT AND HOLY FOOT ON PRETSIT MI DISH ...
        "Where is Bulgaria? - You ask! I will answer openly - to the left, in the heart! To a wrapped, warm, holy place, where my ancestors breathe ..!"

        Having lived for 5 centuries as strangers on the land of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, we always kept her in our hearts! And only thanks to this they have survived as a People! Homeland is not limited by borders! She is a state of Soul!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 26 July 2020 15: 49 New
    +3
    One can be indignant, angrily say it is not true that this is really so, but what the Czech historian Petr Hlavacek is reasoning about is no secret, it is spelled out in Russian history textbooks ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 26 July 2020 15: 50 New
    +7
    ... The USSR made colossal efforts to restore their economy and statehood itself. For some reason, it is not customary to recall this in the countries of the former Eastern Bloc.

    We must remember forever that a good deed is punishable !!!
    That's all, write off to the sump and do not repeat the same mistakes.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 July 2020 16: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      We must remember forever that a good deed is punishable !!!

      I think everything is simpler, "No matter how much the wolf you feed, it still asks for the forest."
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 July 2020 16: 41 New
        0
        There were enough of those who believed that they were by no means released ... so sho there are not wolves, there are more byashki, with the appropriate ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 26 July 2020 17: 18 New
          +3
          Nothing, time flies quickly and events can repeat in history, then we will remember everything ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 26 July 2020 18: 18 New
            +1
            Do we need it? We tick off the box, sho there are such as they are, and not those that we were told about, once!
            Let them quack, or bleat at home and don't shit under our door, and everything will be good for them!
            1. cniza
              cniza 26 July 2020 18: 26 New
              +1
              That's just the point, they shit under the door ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 26 July 2020 18: 48 New
                +1
                It’s easy to do - to knock this door shut, we have other doors, there are enough routes. Let them, from the other side, themselves, themselves, smell their amber.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 26 July 2020 21: 04 New
                  +2
                  Maybe this is an option, but somehow the fences cannot solve everything ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 26 July 2020 21: 37 New
                    +1
                    We need something from those zealous, so Schaub very, very? I doubt it.
                    To please all sorts of syavkas, not to respect yourself.
                2. hydrox
                  hydrox 27 July 2020 09: 20 New
                  +1
                  Robyaty, do not swear, there is no point in this :: better listen to the ticking mechanisms in various Kremlin towers and try to understand what else the GDP should have time to do before the end of September. By the way, the schedule of necessary actions is noticeably shifting to the right (a purely integral feeling of being late), and business with NorNickel continues to stand still ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 27 July 2020 09: 59 New
                    0
                    Thinking .... and then what?
                    For me, OUR people are not there at all, only to change now, in principle, nothing will work ... the people are not ready for that.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 26 July 2020 15: 52 New
    +9
    Schizophrenic delirium. Perhaps it is worth rolling out the Geyrope account for everything that was built by the USSR, and at the same time making them pay reparations for the losses of the USSR in the war against fascist Europe. There was no liberation, there was the destruction of European fascism.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 July 2020 16: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      There was no liberation, there was the destruction of European fascism.

      This is how we Soviet and Russian people think, but abroad did not think so and do not think so, since May 10, 1945. And they have nothing to show, they say "We did not ask to release you, we did not ask you to build, we did not ask you to help, and why are you trying to get in on us."
      I have heard these words more than once and still listen. And even recently, one guest worker from Lviv told me something like this.
      I have already stopped writing about it, the urapatriots will just get sick, I don't want to argue with them.
      1. pytar
        pytar 26 July 2020 18: 09 New
        +1
        This is how we Soviet and Russian people think, but abroad did not think so and do not think so, since May 10, 1945.

        Dear Vlad, hi I will try to explain my point of view, why there is such a discrepancy in perceptions and mutual misunderstanding! No claim to "first instance" of course!
        By 45, the USSR liberated the East. Europe from Nazism and Fascism! It is a fact! But freedom undermines the right to decide its own fate! Yes? East Europe did not get this right! Half a century, pro-Soviet henchmen ruled there, it was incorporated / the term is interesting ... lol/ alien socio-political system! She kept on the "SA cheeks"! In fact, there was an occupation of these countries, it is from their point of view! Peoples of the East. Europe has never been accepted by this system. Therefore, after the departure of the USSR, it fell apart as quickly as a card pack!
        From the point of view of many Russians, and some of the East. Europeans think so, the USSR, having lost a million victims in the war against Nazism and fascism, had every right to impose its own order on the East. Europe! It was in the ego's best interest! So that East. Europe was under his influence!
        But the social system according to the Soviet model was compromised and disintegrated, the USSR has been gone for a long time, and modern Russia is a capitalist state. In today's Europe, there is much more socialism than in the Russian Federation!
        In short - everyone is right for themselves. It is unlikely that it will turn out that opinions somehow began to coincide. And no one has the right to climb from his charter into someone else's monastery! This is counterproductive. yes
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 26 July 2020 20: 21 New
          0
          Quote: pytar
          For half a century, pro-Soviet henchmen ruled there, it was incorporated / the term is interesting ... / someone else's socio-political system! She kept on the "SA cheeks"! In fact, there was an occupation of these countries, it is from their point of view! Peoples of the East. Europe has never been accepted by this system. Therefore, after the USSR left, it fell apart as quickly as a card pack!

          It should be so. This is what we see now, give them all the will, then the USSR would have received it on May 10, 1945. And it was at that time to have such as now enemy formations were not needed. And it's good that these 50 years they were not hostile. And in general, why was it necessary to free someone in order to get this "doll" as you said. Luche would leave you all, so that you all cook in your own sauce. How many people did the USSR put down for your freedom?
          1. pytar
            pytar 26 July 2020 21: 02 New
            0
            It should be so.

            But the East Europeans did not like this! They didn’t like the party bosses and that general political system was brought in from outside! Correspondingly, they tried to change it, to do it with the "human image"! Your tanks didn't give them!
            Luche would leave you all, so that you all cook in this sauce of yours.

            This is your hardening, contradict from the first! Does it bother you?
            How many people did the USSR put down for your freedom?

            Millions! But freedom did not bring. It came about something that was not clear that did not allow people to live according to their charter!
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 27 July 2020 08: 45 New
              0
              Quote: pytar
              This is your hardening, contradict from the first! Does it bother you?

              Of course it does not bother me, since childhood I was raised by my great-grandfather, grandfathers. And I always spoke and I speak. "Do not do good deeds, it will cost you sideways." For whom and for what our Russian people died, liberating Europe, what would you then spit in the face of the grandchildren and children of the liberators. And I'll say it again, sort it out in Europe yourself, but without Russia. Come to visit, we will meet as guests.
              1. pytar
                pytar 27 July 2020 10: 29 New
                +1
                Of course it does not bother me, since childhood I was raised by my great-grandfather, grandfathers.

                Clear. They were brought up so that they would not be confused by obvious contradictions in judgments. It's more convenient to justify everything, life is better ... yes
                "Do not do good deeds, it will cost you sideways"

                A good deed becomes not so good when a bad deed mediates for it ... That's when it gets along sideways. yes
                For whom and for what our Russian people died, liberating Europe, what would you then spit in the face of the grandchildren and children of the liberators.

                1. Millions died Soviet people! Of all the nationalities of the USSR! 2. The grandchildren and children of the liberators abandoned socialism, and some of them write on the eternal flame ...
                And I'll say it again, sort it out in Europe yourself, but without Russia.

                Don't give! Constantly, some kind of claims are sent from you!
                Come to visit, we will meet as guests.

                Similarly! drinks Every year I have a lot of Russian friends! I am always glad to them, moreover, we do not consider Russians as strangers! These are our people, our brothers! good
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 27 July 2020 11: 04 New
                  +1
                  Quote: pytar
                  I am always glad to them, moreover, we do not consider Russians as strangers! These are our people, our brothers!

                  Bulgarians, too, I always consider brothers.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 27 July 2020 11: 19 New
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                    Bulgarians, too, I always consider brothers.

                    There are things above all politics! Politics, propaganda - dirty business! There, impure interests rule. Often play off the next of kin! Interestingly, nothing like this is observed in the Anglo-Saxon world! We need to learn from them!
                    Russia and Bulgaria are karmically connected! These are two parts of one whole! Common civilizational code! The ego cannot be torn, it will be alive as long as there are Bulgarians and Russians! good
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 27 July 2020 11: 55 New
                      +1
                      Quote: pytar
                      Russia and Bulgaria are karmically connected! These are two parts of one whole! Common civilizational code! The ego cannot be torn, it will be alive as long as there are Bulgarians and Russians!

                      Everything is as you said. There is nothing to add.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 26 July 2020 15: 56 New
    +2
    According to Hlavacek, in the civilizational and cultural plan, the Czech Republic and Russia have little in common. In the historian's view, Slavic unity is a myth, since Czech history and culture is more closely connected with Western civilization, which, as he believes, was completely alien to the Russians.
    Glavachek is right, the Czech Republic has not been a Slavic country for 600 years, which was enslaved by Austria, and did not even have its own language, but spoke German (the owner should not speak the language of a slave). Russia has always been an empire, no matter how they call it, a principality, a kingdom, and it is the Russian empire with Russian culture and identity. "There is a Russian spirit here, here it smells of Russia!" The Germans must be given back, they could well set the brains of all the conquered peoples, not a single one was bypassed.
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 July 2020 18: 20 New
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      Glavachek is right, the Czech Republic has not been a Slavic country for 600 years

      Glavachek is wrong! Czech Republic is a Slavic country, one of many! They are all different, with their own national characteristics!
      Russia has always been an empire, no matter how they call it, a principality, a kingdom, and it is the Russian empire with Russian culture and identity.

      In empires, nationality is not important. They can only conditionally be perceived as national. Well, supposedly there is one nation - scrapie. And most of the present Slavic countries are mono-national states! The difference is significant, it is reflected in the mentality.
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 26 July 2020 22: 52 New
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      Bohemia (Czech Republic) in 1212 voluntarily entered the Holy Roman Empire - 706 years under the Germans ...
      1. Operator
        Operator 26 July 2020 23: 37 New
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        808 years of groveling, however - from the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation to the European Union.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 July 2020 08: 52 New
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          Quote: Operator
          808 years of crawling

          What a groveling there, they have long been reborn as Germans, just like the Slavs. In the area of ​​modern Berlin, two unions of Slavic tribes once lived: Sprevians along the Spree River and Stordorians along the Hafelyuk River, they have long been called Germans.
  • Vestnik
    Vestnik 26 July 2020 15: 57 New
    0
    Czech historian calls the Soviet Union a colonial empire

    And he received a grant from the V that Steppe Foundation ..
    We are waiting for the next historical opus "Russian slaves in the history of the Czech Republic"
    Nobel will get hehe
  • Operator
    Operator 26 July 2020 15: 59 New
    +1
    I completely agree with Glavaczek's opinion about Slavic unity as a myth - when Germany turns Slavic Czech Republic into German Bohemia again, we must not forget to reunite Moravia and Slovakia with Russia.
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 26 July 2020 16: 48 New
      -2
      we must not forget to reunite Moravia and Slovakia with Russia.


      You have been unable to annex Donbass for 6 years and your people are dying there, Russians and yours are all "zeroing" ...... but you flooded Moravia and Slovakia to join - don't you think this is schizophrenic? Are you OK?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 July 2020 17: 01 New
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      Quote: Operator
      Germany will turn Slavic Czech Republic into German Bohemia again

      Yes, she was as Bohemia and remained.
  • Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky 26 July 2020 16: 03 New
    -2
    The historian fell behind. He thinks in the limited artificial categories of the dominant Western ideology. "God is not in power, but in truth" - this is the essence of the Russian world, which once occupied the entire space from and to, originating not so much from the Aryans as from the northern Hyperborean culture to at least 1 million years, confirmed by multiple artifacts. This formula has been worked out for eternity and is unshakable, and the modern world ideology lasts a maximum of 3500 years. The deduction of the first is not clear today, but it will overcome all the others sooner or later. Others will die
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 26 July 2020 16: 03 New
    +2
    The Czechs are burning again! However, it is not surprising for a country that never shot at the Germans in 1938 (Well, how could they be the owners!) And then worked hard for the good of the Reich for 6 years. All the same, Joseph Stalin was immensely affectionate and soft-hearted towards THESE Western Europeans ... It was necessary to drive the entire eastern bloc through denazification according to the full scheme, and force them to restore the destroyed all over the USSR.

    this is a myth, since Czech history and culture is more closely related to Western civilization, to


    Only not connected, but was lowered to their level for uncomplaining execution. Ugh damn Europeans ...
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 26 July 2020 17: 44 New
      -1
      Look through the documents, how many and where the Czechoslovaks fought against the Germans since 1938. And in the same documents that the USSR sent trains with raw materials and food to Germany on June 22, 1941, although after that, trains with raw materials and food went to Germany from the occupied territories of the USSR. And these trains were loaded and sent by Soviet people who remained under occupation. You would then go there, you would take Berlin on June 22, 1941 at 15:00
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 26 July 2020 19: 29 New
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        Quote: L-39NG
        fought against the Germans.


        And how many fought with the Germans? I was not interested in colloborating peoples, but my sclerosis tells me that the Slovak air group fought against us. And if you really dig the documents !!! By the way, even the Poles in the RNAVY fought, the crews of several EVs and submarines. But the Czechs !? Yes, and trying to be rude is definitely not worth it, dear.
      2. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 26 July 2020 23: 08 New
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        Peter, she's such a trade ... in 1942 (if I remembered correctly) a German company (I can't say the name) sent generators for a hydroelectric station to ... the USSR, the order for generators was even before the Second World War, the goods were ordered through the "Swedish gasket" ( an intermediary firm) and formally the generators went to Sweden, but in Sweden, at a distant airfield, the generators were loaded onto Soviet aircraft. Naturally, the goods were paid for in gold and platinum, which were brought on the same planes. After the war in Germany, they found goods ordered by the USSR before the Second World War in warehouses and naturally took them away, only the Germans kept these goods in warehouses throughout the war (they were waiting for the customer to take the order).
  • newcomer
    newcomer 26 July 2020 16: 03 New
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    Did this "historian" really invent something new? Made an effort to analyze, study the facts? fool .Just took the western training manual and entered the Czech Republic where necessary. Does it remind you of anything? _ "The myth of the unity of the Slavs", "the accupation of Europe", "Western values", "the mimicry of the Russians" ... Why did the Czech Slovaks not pull the entot under the "accupation", I probably forgot. laughing .
    1. Revival
      Revival 26 July 2020 17: 09 New
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      In my personal opinion, he just told the truth.
      The Czechs, in particular, were generally not against Hitler and therefore did not consider it a liberation.
      Here, rather, we made a mistake in our actions in relation to the Czech Republic during its occupation, a big mistake ...
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 26 July 2020 17: 32 New
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        I guess their perception of Hitlerism is their wet problem. Did they tell you the truth? _ Well, if we dig in, then this "truth" of theirs about the perception of Hitlerism will come back to them.
        1. Revival
          Revival 26 July 2020 23: 38 New
          -1
          This is how it should have been, but it did not happen, and now there are Czech historians, including those with such a position ..
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 27 July 2020 00: 17 New
            -1
            Our task now is to stick their "truth" in one place. Just do it carefully, as with lyakhi, so that they would not smell and jump off. To document their nostalgia for the Reich, and then, for Nuremberg.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 26 July 2020 16: 11 New
    +3
    Czech historian calls the Soviet Union a colonial empire
    It's just that in the West there are no terms that can convey the political uniqueness of the ideology of the Russian people. And it doesn't matter if it was Tsarist Russia or the Soviet Union. Due to its limitations, political influence is called "colonization". During the "colonization" by the Russians, not a single people was destroyed, but on the contrary, many peoples made a civilizational and cultural leap through the millennia. As for the Czechs and the rest of the Poles, due to their pettiness, not having a civilizational potential, they will always be under someone. And let them rejoice that they were under the Russians, otherwise they could simply cease to exist. I don’t understand at all how they could have stuttered about such a thing, if one can simply compare. Was it really better under the Austro-Hungarians, or Hitler's Germany? However, not a word about this. The topic is closed, we can only talk about the "atrocities" of the Russians. By the way, how is it in the Czech Republic with hemography? If we compare the "totalitarian times" and the current "free-democratic"
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 26 July 2020 16: 13 New
    +1
    Historical science, like any friend, cannot be based on hypotheses (fabrications), but only on facts in their entirety, and this is precisely what the article does not contain - just propaganda nonsense. Throwing out the ideological aspect (the communist European International) in the actions of the USSR, which rightfully used its historical opportunity to change political realities in Europe and secure its borders, as it seemed once and for all, the author has to invent and ascribe certain imperial designs of the USSR. But we were building our own single market and the European Union, much freer for its members than the current one. No more, but no less. The author (supposedly a historian) does not even know this. Another dreamer from the Czech Republic. The grant-eater is looking for how to make senseless the concept of "colonization", because the British bourgeoisie is offended when they are called colonialists.
    1. pytar
      pytar 27 July 2020 12: 35 New
      0
      But we were building our own single market and the European Union, much more free for its members than the current one.

      It is not true!
      1.The economy of the CMEA countries was based on non-market principles! Administrative command system!
      2.I am now much easier go to Russia, like Russians easier come to the EU than in the days of socialism!
      In these times, there were restrictions on movement even within the socialist countries!
      1. iouris
        iouris 27 July 2020 14: 51 New
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        Quote: pytar
        In these times, there were restrictions on movement even within the socialist countries!

        But there were no migrants from Africa, no epidemics, no economic crises. Get ready: soon you will be introduced restrictions. The main thing is that there is no war (nuclear missile).
        1. pytar
          pytar 27 July 2020 16: 18 New
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          But there were no migrants from Africa, no epidemics, no economic crises.

          Much has not happened yet! The shops were empty, they were "choosing" one candidate for the secretary general for 100 years, etc. ... By the way, you have more Africans at times than we have / in BG / ... Do you have something against them?
          There was no epidemic due to the microbiological "pause" due to the invention of antibiotics. But the economic crisis was constant.
          Get ready: soon you will be introduced restrictions.

          And they will do the right thing! They will introduce, pass, cancel.
          The main thing is that there is no war (nuclear missile).

          Will not be. There are no candidates for suicide.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 26 July 2020 16: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Mytholog
    Quote: tihonmarine
    And what do you want from the Germans.

    By the way, no such nonsense is heard from the Germans. They prefer to keep quiet.
    Well, apart from the exhibition in Potsdam recently. But there was clearly no German will.

    there is nothing Russophobic on the German news. Recently, a little humor was mentioned about modifications in the Russian constitution and about "the now eternal Putin" and basically most of the news is occupied by the coronavirus and the showdown with local Nazis in the Bundeswehr, as well as the abuse of power by the police
  • beeper
    beeper 26 July 2020 16: 27 New
    -1
    Well, in, another desman (Czech Glavachek) was noted in the Kholuy "test Russophobia" in front of their owners from Germany and the USA! fool
    I would not be surprised if his ancestors, like the ancestors of the Prague headman-vandal, together with other occupiers - "civilized Europeans", actively participated in the colonial-murderous "Voyages to the East" together with Kaiser Wilhelm and Reichsfuehrer Hitler, looted themselves and took away gold The Russian Empire and the Soviet Union, sadistically mocked the prisoners and brutally killed the civilian population of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR!
    In vain, even in the fresh traces of their war crimes, these Czechs and Slovaks, all European accomplices and accomplices of Hitler, our Soviet authorities did not remind the whole world of THEIR EUROPEAN WINE WITHOUT A LONG TIME FOR THEIR ATTRACTIONS ON THE SOVIET LAND (like this, for example, the Israeli authorities did and are doing!)!
  • iouris
    iouris 26 July 2020 16: 33 New
    +3
    The colonial empire, on the contrary, in which the metropolis was exploited for the development of the colonies. Czech Republic is a protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia of the Third and Fourth Reichs. "Czech historians" are engaged in propaganda that "German historians" cannot (yet) afford. The purpose of this propaganda is to dehumanize Russians.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 26 July 2020 16: 52 New
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    They don't know what a real empire is. Could remember and compare with the position of the Slavs in the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
    1. iouris
      iouris 27 July 2020 14: 48 New
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      The "position of the Slavs" can be judged from the book by J. Hasek and the Czechoslovak film "The Adventures of the Good Soldier Švejk".
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 26 July 2020 16: 55 New
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    Poorly, Historic knows history ... Russia is the only country that did not have colonies ..
  • zenion
    zenion 26 July 2020 16: 59 New
    +3
    Of course, Czechoslovakia is closer to Europe, because they riveted weapons for Hitler. And the USSR is far from Europe, because the USSR riveted Hitler and Europe. It's funny to compare. But it will be even funnier if you remember that if in Czechoslovakia, they noticed someone in respect of the USSR, then he or they would live from the gate of the house to the place of execution. But the Red Army entered and the NKVD along with them, and it is strange that they did not look for Nazi accomplices and did not shoot. This can be confirmed by the book "30 Cases of Major Zeman", which was written in the wake of the events in Czechoslovakia. The Czechs hid SS, SD and Gestapo officers until their very end. The Germans were the first to separate Slovakia from the Czech Republic. Then the Germans did it a second time. You published the book "The Crystal Jug" about how the Czechs surrendered the country to Hitler and were terribly pleased with it. Also, the Czechs gave out two Czech intelligence officers who killed, or rather were involved in the death of Heydrich. Whom do the Czechs want to sell and under whom to lie. This structure lies beneath someone the most advanced in Western civilization. As Jaroslav Hasek described her, she remained the same.
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  • cniza
    cniza 26 July 2020 17: 09 New
    +3
    One example of this, he calls the Russian perception of communism, which later took shape in the Marxist-Leninist ideology.


    And this "historian" does not know who Karl Marx and F. Engels are and where did everything come from?
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 26 July 2020 18: 40 New
      +1
      He is not paid for this knowledge)))
      1. cniza
        cniza 26 July 2020 21: 02 New
        +1
        Well, yes, he has such a job, but it could be normal ...
  • depressant
    depressant 26 July 2020 17: 12 New
    +2
    Everything that was built by the Germans in Czechoslovakia, as well as the military property of the Wehrmacht, taken as trophies, the USSR, as a winner, could completely take it to its territory, but now, it shared it with the ungrateful Czechs.

    "First of all, it should be noted the transfer of equipment from German industrial enterprises to Czechoslovakia, as well as other captured property that was under the jurisdiction of the relevant bodies of the Soviet Army. In keeping with the wishes of Czechoslovakia, the Soviet Union considered it possible to transfer more than 20% of these trophies vital for the Czechoslovak Among the industrial enterprises transferred to the republic were the oil refinery in the city of Most 10, which was the largest producer of synthetic fuel in the country, the textile factory "Faula" in the city of Litomyšl (this enterprise was of great importance for Czechoslovak exports and could provide jobs for the population of nearby regions ), a plant for the production of electrical equipment "Philips", a motorbike plant "Velamos", chemical plants in Falknov and Handlov, six tanneries in Slovakia, equipment for mining and processing enterprises, and a number of others. During the liberation of Czechoslovakia, the Soviet command gave orders to its troops to secure large enterprises in the liberated territory, as well as to remove valuable equipment from the front line to the rear for its subsequent transfer to the Czechoslovak authorities. This saved hundreds of industrial and economic facilities of the country from destruction and plunder.

    The Soviet Union provided assistance to Czechoslovakia in restoring its transport communications. The engineering troops of the Red Army in a record short time - 5,5 months - almost rebuilt a bridge across the Danube in the Bratislava region with a length of 460 m (the old bridge in April 1945 was blown up by the retreating fascist troops). On February 3, 1946, the new bridge was inaugurated in the presence of members of the Czechoslovak government and representatives of the Soviet embassy.

    In June 1945, Soviet-Czechoslovak negotiations were held in Moscow, in which the heads of state and foreign trade ministers took part. Issues of resumption and further development of economic cooperation between the two countries were discussed. The Czechoslovak delegation appealed to the Soviet side with a request for assistance in returning to Czechoslovakia the ships of its Danube flotilla, and most importantly, the rolling stock of railways, 3/4 of which (about 78 thousand cars) was moved during the years of occupation to Germany and other countries. In connection with this request, the Soviet government decided to transfer for temporary use to the Czechoslovak Ministry of Railways 40 thousand cars and 2 thousand tanks belonging to the Soviet Union and located at that time in Czechoslovakia. In October 1945, a joint Soviet-Czechoslovak commission was created to check the use of rolling stock on the Czechoslovak railways to resolve issues of railway transport. All these measures made it possible to eliminate the transport difficulties that existed in the republic and ensure uninterrupted transportation in the autumn-winter period.
    During the June talks, an agreement was reached on mutual supplies of goods. Czechoslovakia received from the USSR such types of raw materials that were in short supply for it as iron ore, salt, cotton ... "
    Based on the article by L.P. Kolodnikov.

    And after that, someone there (I didn't remember the last name) opens his mouth.
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 July 2020 20: 44 New
      0
      ... and in 1968 they were trampled with tanks! You say, did the Germans trample them weakly? Do you know why the Czechs and Slovaks perceive the actions of the USSR so negatively in comparison with Germany? Nazi Germany came as an occupier! She did what was expected of the occupier! The USSR came as a liberator! Everyone in Czechoslovakia was sincerely happy, they really loved Soviet people! And suddenly 1968 ... tanks! Soviet tanks, through the streets of Czechoslovak cities! It was then that the Czechoslovakians realized that they were not released, but occupied! Our enemies have become!







      It is hardly worth judging who is right and who is wrong. You just need to accept the fact that people perceive the same events differently. hi
      1. depressant
        depressant 26 July 2020 23: 29 New
        +1
        Colleague, there were several tendencies that developed unsuccessfully and gave a tragic result.
        The first tendency was that after the end of the war, the United States was densely populated in Czechoslovakia with its Marshall Plan, but was able to instill in the minds of only a small part of the population groundless dreams of the possibility of building a capitalist paradise in a small country that no one in the West needed in the form of a highly developed economy. Even the FRG, according to this plan, was reviving much more slowly than the USSR - without any Western intervention. But the deed was done, the request for a Western way of life from a small but close-knit group of people in power appeared as the most preferable in comparison with the socialist one. And this despite the fact that Czechoslovakia was the only state in the world where the number of communists per 1000 people by 1968 was the largest. It was a completely communist country. However, by this time Khrushchev had already managed to expose the "cult of Stalin's personality", and under the influence of this second tendency, pro-Westerners in Czechoslovakia revived, began to gain credibility among the broad masses and openly propagate their ideas. The third tendency was that the party leadership of Czechoslovakia, defending itself against pro-Westerners, organized active repressions that were already "unfashionable" by that time - this was a terrible mistake! And the crime of our Brezhnev was his lethargy. The leadership of the USSR simply slept through the situation, did not extinguish it in the bud together with the Czechoslovak leadership in time, but it could, and not by military, but by peaceful means, through subtle, purposeful, constant and persistent diplomacy. Czechoslovakia was worth it! Instead, they waited for the aggravation of the situation, and someone advised Brezhnev, in such a clumsy manner, to crush in this country with tanks what was already ripening in some of the cunning, treacherous minds of the Soviet leadership itself, hiding under the veil of communist rhetoric. Is it because this advice was given because a peaceful resolution of the problem by all efforts, up to the arrival of our highest party hierarch in Czechoslovakia, would then force the Politburo and the Central Committee of the CPSU to slowly, intently and corrosively examine their own ranks, especially in the union republics, for a possible ideological betrayal? And so that such a glance does not happen, and advice was given to introduce tanks with a completely understandable, predictable end result. The pro-Westerners in Czechoslovakia were simply ahead of their time. They did what Gorbachev would then do. But they were too hasty, as if in a hurry giving away a secret ripening in the depths of the CPSU itself. The worldwide response to the Czechoslovak events for a long time distracted the party elite of the USSR from the beam in its own eye.
        1. pytar
          pytar 27 July 2020 08: 59 New
          +1
          Colleague, there were several tendencies that developed unsuccessfully and gave a tragic result.

          You have got a balanced, impartial analysis of the situation! Plus from me! good
      2. iouris
        iouris 27 July 2020 10: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: pytar
        It was then that the Czechoslovakians realized that they were not released, but occupied! Our enemies have become!

        Of course. Czechoslovakia, like Germany and the entire Europe united by Hitler, was not liberated, but "taken".
        The Skoda factories produced more tanks than Britain. Slovakia, Bohemia and Moravia are part of the Third Reich, its arsenal. Czechs and Slovaks fought against the USSR.
      3. iouris
        iouris 27 July 2020 11: 03 New
        +1
        People can perceive in different ways, but politics is a harsh thing. The winner wins to dictate. The Czechs did not rebel against Germany, but worked for her victory in the war with the USSR, the USA and Great Britain.
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 26 July 2020 17: 15 New
    -5
    Czech historian calls the Soviet Union a colonial empire


    In the colonial empire, all benefits are sucked from the provinces to the metropolis. The USSR was the same Lokhov empire, which directed the resources of the metropolis to build factories, hospitals and schools in the provinces, so that the former colonies would then spit on it.
  • Old26
    Old26 26 July 2020 17: 39 New
    +4
    The author believes that the Soviet Union played the role of a colonial empire for Eastern Europe. However, he did not mention that during the so-called post-war "occupation" of the Czech Republic and a number of other European countries, the USSR made colossal efforts to restore their economy and statehood itself. For some reason, it is not customary to recall this in the countries of the former Eastern Bloc.

    The author forgets that the colonial empires tried to exterminate those whom they conquered, trying to clear the living space for themselves. But if the Union had been doing this, then by 1991 there would have been no population in these countries. Some of them - pro-Soviet minded to the marrow (in rather small numbers) would live in these union republics, for example, in the Czech Soviet Socialist Republic, and some especially stubborn ones would gladly remove snow somewhere in Anadyr for rations ...
    And the colonial empire, due to altruistic motives, restored the industry of these countries, abandoned reparations in their favor ...

    Quote: Voyager
    According to this logic, we, as before, are losing the information war

    Unfortunately, information warfare has always been a weakness, incl. and Soviet reality. It was easier for us to "prohibit" than to develop information methods of such a war ourselves ...
  • demo
    demo 26 July 2020 18: 11 New
    +1
    When at the beginning of a work the author begins to say one thing, and at the end of it declares the diametrically opposite, then either the author has problems with logic, or the author has not matured to creativity.
    This is especially true in those types of scientific research where logic comes first.
    Having ended the Great Patriotic War with fascist Germany, the USSR had full both legal and actual right to ensure for its own security the arrival of those forces in power that could ensure the conduct of the most peaceful policy of their countries.
    Which was done.
    Not everything and not everywhere worked out the first time.
    But by a certain point in time, the countries of the "socialist community" began to resemble a friendly family of peoples.
    Almost fraternal countries.
    Only this Czech is right.
    Czechs, Slovaks, Romanians and others, to a greater extent, did not just gravitate towards the "Western way of thinking."
    They were flesh of flesh of precisely the Western form of mutual communication.
    Those. they did not even imagine that it was necessary to be honest and decent towards those who left them their own statehood, did not turn them into protectorates, did not send hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens to Siberian or polar camps just for the fact that they worked in the factories of the Reich and received a salary for their labor.
    The fact that someone, after something else, built factories and gave them as a gift, of course raises me to an unprecedented height of conceit.
    But it also drops into the abyss of understanding that:
    "Not a single good deed will be punished."
  • Courier
    Courier 26 July 2020 18: 15 New
    -6
    I was born in a Soviet city on the outskirts of the USSR. Uranium has been mined here for years and there are still mountains of uranium tailings.

    The USSR was a colonial empire, the countries of Eastern Europe were completely ruled from Moscow. Only a communist will deny this. Soviet tanks crushed people in Warsaw, Budapest and in Prague... Just like the British in India.
    There were colonies, these are the ATS countries and 14 union republics, and there was Moscow, which ruled everything, put governors in the colonies, changed borders, deported entire peoples wherever Moscow wanted

    Development in the Soviet colonies was exclusively for imperial purposes, my republic did not need any uranium, it was demanded by Moscow, as Britain mined diamonds in India.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 26 July 2020 19: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Courier
      Only a communist will deny this.


      Any sane person will deny this. Adequate of course.

      Quote: Courier
      my republic did not need any uranium,


      Which "republic"?
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 26 July 2020 18: 18 New
    +1
    The photo is good at the beginning of the article.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 26 July 2020 18: 28 New
    +4
    I hate these liars and hypocrites! Where have you seen that "colonies" live better than the metropolis ?!
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  • APASUS
    APASUS 26 July 2020 18: 42 New
    +2
    This is how the Czech historian Petr Hlavacek argues in an article published by Forum 24.

    Petr Hlaváček is not a historian, but an architect.
    Petr Hlavacek was born in Zlín in 1961. Graduated from the Faculty of Architecture of the Czech Technical University, where he has been teaching since 1990. From 1991 to 2008, Peter worked at the RUA architectural studio, which he founded together with the architect Hana Seho-Muntsova. In 1993, he was a visiting professor at the University of Michigan College of Architecture. In 2010, Petr became Deputy Dean for Development of the Faculty of Architecture at the Czech Technical University, and also founded the Headhand Architects studio. In the spring of 2015, Petr Hlavacek was elected director of the Prague Institute for Planning and Development, which is the city's main body in the field of architecture, development and urban planning. In his role as director, Petr focuses on expanding public participation and strengthening communication between PiS Prague, urban areas and the town hall.

    The Czech edition of Forum 24 looks like another trash heap like "Censor .net" in Ukraine. Why does VO turn into a mouthpiece for some inadequate media? There they have worse material on their page, where they smashed the Russians and Putin to smithereens:
    Putin sits in his bunker, while Russian society becomes unmanageable

    This nonsense that was not brought up for discussion?
  • Boris Afinogenov
    Boris Afinogenov 26 July 2020 18: 44 New
    +2
    I can already imagine how the leader of the European Union - Germany - is transferring his Mercedes to some Poznan or Brno - what happened to Antonov, having moved from Novosibirsk to Kiev.

    Or moving "Leclerc" to the conditional Bratislava.
    Let them create a tank building design bureau, for example, in Slovenia.

    The "colonial empire" did this by creating city-forming industries in its "colonies", but in a European family - no, can not?

    There, in the best case, they will create an assembly branch, because it is cheaper there to pay a Czech with a Pole than a German or a Frenchman.

    And let this figure better tell you why the salary in the Czech Republic and Poland is less than in France and Germany.
  • Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 26 July 2020 18: 46 New
    +3
    Czech Republic welcomed Hitler and forged weapons for him
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 26 July 2020 19: 15 New
    -1
    "... no distinctive East European socialism has ever existed ..."
    Well, compare the Union and the GDR, for example. They had a very, very distinctive socialism! "Historian", you see, such a historian that is not in the subject at all, just to screw up the Union. Ugh, damn it! negative
  • BAI
    BAI 26 July 2020 19: 34 New
    +2
    The trend in the Czech Republic is to make Russia nasty. This is a prerequisite for a political career. Some figure in an interview with Daria Aslamova (from the KP) said: "If this gives you trouble, I will say that Hitler is a good man."
  • K-50
    K-50 26 July 2020 19: 45 New
    +1
    The author believes that the Soviet Union played the role of a colonial empire for Eastern Europe.

    Probably we had some kind of wrong empire.
    The empire lives at the expense of the export of resources and wealth to the metropolis, and all the "satellites" of the USSR, on the contrary, raised their level at the expense of the Union, grew fat economically.
    So, well, it doesn't feel like an empire. request
  • Taras mp
    Taras mp 26 July 2020 20: 16 New
    +1
    I did not understand the Czechs, the Poles with the Balts bitten or is it stupefying the effect of the drug (Novice) ???
  • Taras mp
    Taras mp 26 July 2020 20: 21 New
    +1
    The insanity grew stronger .... What can you say, the more terrible the lies, the sooner they believe in it. Shorty Goebbels was right. Modern society believes that they do not even need to turn on the brain from the net ...
  • Tests
    Tests 26 July 2020 20: 26 New
    +2
    Strange Empire - USSR. Already in the 60s of the 20th century, he did not keep his troops in Romania, Bulgaria, Albania and Yugoslavia. In his "colonies", in addition to the army, aviation and navy, he developed heavy industry and agriculture, created a single power transmission network, and created a common market - CMEA. In the "colonies" of Czechoslovakia, GDR, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, he built nuclear power plants. And the "colonies" of the NRB allowed to cut the forest on the territory of the metropolis ... Imagine the picture: the Chinese are sawing English oaks and taking them to Hong Kong - well, it's very hard.
    1. pytar
      pytar 27 July 2020 09: 17 New
      -2
      Strange Empire - USSR. Already in the 60s of the 20th century, he did not keep his troops in Romania, Bulgaria, Albania and Yugoslavia.

      The "disobedient" dictator Ceausescu achieved the first thing, the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Romania! Back in 1953, Yugoslavia entered into an indefinite military agreement of mutual assistance with the United States. She was called "an unofficial member of NATO." Albania itself freed itself from the Nazis, there the Soviet troops did not enter at all. After the 50s, Enver Hoxha drove the Soviet fleet out of the VM-buzz in Flier.
      In his "colonies", in addition to the army, aviation and navy, he developed both heavy industry and agriculture, created a single power transmission network, and created a common market - CMEA. In the "colonies" of Czechoslovakia, GDR, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, he built nuclear power plants.

      For nothing, or what? The same enterprises produced products for the USSR. The USSR brought its economic and political system to the East. Europe and she worked for him. The USSR exported mainly energy resources, and in exchange received goods for various purposes. It was a closed system based on non-market principles! In the late 80s, Gorbachev demanded that the socialist countries pay the harshness they received in hard currency! And where can the socialist countries get their currency? They took a loan from Western banks, which was another reason for the collapse of socialism!
      And the "colony" of the NRB allowed to cut the forest on the territory of the metropolis ...

      Half of the timber extracted was given to the USSR, and they also built obyeks.
      Imagine a picture: the Chinese are sawing English oaks and taking them to Hong Kong - well, it's very hard.

      The Chinese are now quite successfully sawing Siberian forests and bringing them to China.
  • aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 26 July 2020 20: 54 New
    +3
    The Czechs lived well under the Germans. For their excellent work in the defense industry they were not touched and paid well - the well-fed will not resist. And how did it happen - the Red Army was called !!! Result: Vlasovites are liberators, and Marshal Konev is an occupier !!!
  • Charik
    Charik 26 July 2020 20: 58 New
    0
    Czech historian - I don't read further
  • vavilon
    vavilon 26 July 2020 21: 26 New
    0
    Very often on the site there are articles that quote that something, someone, somewhere said, but let them say what they want, why cite them, discuss and publish them.
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 July 2020 23: 36 New
      0
      Very often on the site there are articles that quote that something, someone, somewhere said, but let them say what they want, why cite them, discuss and publish them.

      Selectively looking from the wilds of the Internet, some incomprehensible authors, from the statute necessarily have a negative bias towards the USSR / Russia. The goal is to turn readers against all peoples / states around Russia! Why, ask? Because the authorities need external enemies! Otherwise, the citizens of the Russian Federation will start asking questions about the internal situation, what is wrong there, who is to blame, etc. ?!
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 26 July 2020 21: 34 New
    +2
    It's time to remember every day the Czechs 4 years of work for Hitler.
    Demand money from them for this.
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 26 July 2020 23: 30 New
      +2
      Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia March 16, 1939 - May 13, 1945 - 6 full years of conscientious work for the benefit of the 3rd Reich.
  • Tests
    Tests 26 July 2020 22: 45 New
    +1
    pytar (Boyan Ivanov), dear, you put up a photo, as young people say today - credits. Do you have a photo of the T-34 of the NRB army in 1968 on the territory of Czechoslovakia? A photo of armored personnel carriers and trucks, and a photo of soldiers and officers of the NRB army, performing their international duty in Czechoslovakia? Have the Czechs forgotten about them today? ...
    And why weren't the photos of the servicemen of the GDR army in Czechoslovakia posted? Have the Czechs forgotten about them today? ...
    About 5 divisions of the Polish People's Republic army, introduced into the territory of Czechoslovakia, did you know? There were more than 38 soldiers and officers. Have the Czechs forgotten about them today? ... After all, in 000, 1968 years have passed since the border between Poland and Czechoslovakia was approved, ending all disputes. Somehow it was forgotten by many that together with the troops of Germany Slovakia unleashed World War 10 against Poland. And before that Poland, together with Germany, tormented Czechoslovakia, for which it received a well-known name from Sir Winston Churchill ...
    Yes, and you don't have a photo of old friends of Czechoslovakia - the Hungarian People's Republic troops on the territory of Czechoslovakia in 1968? Have the Czechs forgotten about them today? There were more than 10 soldiers and officers ...
    Some kind of electoral memory for some "historians" ...
    1. pytar
      pytar 27 July 2020 00: 01 New
      -3
      Do you have a photo of the T-34 of the NRB army in 1968 on the territory of Czechoslovakia? A photo of armored personnel carriers and trucks, and a photo of soldiers and officers of the NRB army, performing their international duty in Czechoslovakia? Have the Czechs forgotten about them today? ...

      Dear Eugene, the Bulgarian contingent was not numerous, but I have a photo from them! Moreover, I personally know the participants in the events! One of them said so - "Having arrived in Czechoslovakia, we quickly realized that we were not welcome here!"
      BNA units accounted for only 0,6% (personnel), 0,43% (tanks, armored personnel carriers), of the entire group.
      After 1990, Bulgaria officially apologized for its involvement in this shameful event! Our Parliament, in 2000, adopted a law declaring the communist regime and its actions criminal!
      And why weren't the photos of the servicemen of the GDR army in Czechoslovakia posted? Have the Czechs forgotten about them today? ...

      Because the Gedeer soldier did not enter the territory of Czechoslovakia at all. The GDR refused at the last moment, only ten staff officers were sent. From ru-nete there are a lot of stories about how "Gedeerites respected Czechs"! Pure mythology.
      About 5 divisions of the Polish People's Republic army, introduced into the territory of Czechoslovakia, did you know? There were more than 38 soldiers and officers. Have the Czechs forgotten about them today?

      As it became clear, I know more than you. All the former country police officers involved in the suppression of the "Prague Spring" condemned these events. They apologized and do not conduct propaganda on this occasion.
      Some kind of electoral memory for some "historians" ...

      If you look through Yandex, you will find a large number of materials in Russian. lang., where the operation "Danube" is justified and exhibited, almost as a feat! That is why they answer in the Czech Republic / Slovakia!
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 27 July 2020 13: 49 New
        0
        What is the shame? It was done correctly in 1968.
        1. pytar
          pytar 27 July 2020 14: 38 New
          0
          What is the shame? It was done correctly in 1968.

          Shame in the fact that the SA has become an occupier! As a result, Czechs and Slovaks changed their attitude towards Russians. It was not necessary to trample people with tanks, but to reform socialism, to make it more attractive, more effective!
          1. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh 27 July 2020 18: 22 New
            -1
            The reason is simple. Hitler allowed Czechs to kill Jews and profit from them, but the USSR did not. The Czechs really liked National Socialism.
          2. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh 27 July 2020 18: 26 New
            -1
            To the Germans, the Czechs do not remember how the Germans fought the disaffected, but they remember the USSR. Now let the Czechs not be offended. I will remember them every time the quality work for Hitler.
          3. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh 27 July 2020 21: 07 New
            0
            Remind me, did Bulgaria attack the USSR on June 22, 1941?
  • bulava
    bulava 26 July 2020 23: 39 New
    +4
    And like the United States is not a colonial empire? Not to mention most of the European neighbors of the Czech Republic, who ruffled it both in the tail and in the mane for centuries.
  • Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 27 July 2020 01: 06 New
    +1
    Czechs are obvious "ikspeets" who are colonial empires and who are not. The Czechs themselves have been someone's colony all their lives, but they have remained it.
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 27 July 2020 04: 15 New
    -1
    Well, yes, well, yes - the Czech Republic is another "pillar" of world politics, the whole world "listens" to its opinion! laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
  • Romanenko
    Romanenko 27 July 2020 09: 27 New
    +2
    The more time has passed since the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, the more and more people write something like that, and it is not surprising that there are fewer and fewer eyewitnesses to "Soviet slavery", so you can lie more, more often and without being too shy in wording.
    Well, well, let's say Czechoslovakia (by the way, the Czech Republic is only half of it) under socialism carried the status of a partner in the Socialist Commonwealth, you can call it colonial dependence if you want to.
    Well, what now?
    How far has the country broken away and moved forward from that oppressed Czechoslovakia?
    Is it easier to breathe?
    Did the people get rich and bathe in luxury?
    No, what happened?
    What happened was that after leaving the Socialist Commonwealth, Czechoslovakia fell apart into the Czech Republic and Slovakia, and received Brussels and Washington as not partners and friends, but rather two metropolises instead of one.
    What is happening there now is very similar to the behavior of a dog sitting on a thick "friendly" chain in the booth.
    It doesn't really work to bite, but since a bowl of bones needs to be worked out, he tries to bark loudly and often towards his neighbor, who has not previously forbidden to walk.
    It is pathetic, sorry and insulting for Czechoslovakia, the fascists did not divide it, the war did not break it, and democracy lowered it to the level of a mongrel.
  • sav
    sav 27 July 2020 10: 36 New
    12
    Out in circulation, give their voice lol