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The young, "however," do not understand. Mikhail Leontiev and the new gerontocracy

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Source: svoboda.org


Minus 12 million voters


It is difficult to determine whether Mikhail Leontyev, a professional journalist and winner of the "Golden Pen of Russia" award, thought about the consequences of such statements. Verbatim:

“We will face the need to deprive young people of voting rights, probably in the near future. Because otherwise we will lose the country. It's true. Because these people do not know anything, this is almost Ukraine, monstrous ... Because young people are a painful condition that goes away with age ”.

Leontiev has an extensive track record and public experience. Therefore, it is believed that he thought over every word, that the scandalous statement was not impromptu. The option of voicing a certain collective opinion regarding the sanity of youth is not excluded. Reconnaissance in force, so to speak.

The consequences of such sayings of not the very last person in a large state corporation make one think. Perhaps it's worth starting with the fact that Mr. Leontyev actually spat on the school system. If by 2020, according to the top manager, young people have forgotten how to distinguish between good and evil, liars and righteous people, then the teachers and the entire Russian school are worthless.

We move further along the logical chain. By the age of 25, young people are unable to consciously choose the leaders of their own state and legislators. Not only do 100% of young people have a school behind them, but also a considerable share of citizens have higher education and experience in military service. Could state structures fail to form a critical civic position of a young man? Then questions to the consistency of these institutions: the Ministry of Education, the Ministry of Science and Higher Education, and the Ministry of Defense. Why did you work so badly for 25 years (at least) that Mikhail Leontyev compares our youth with the Ukrainian one?

By the way, the conclusions about the development of Ukrainian youth from a person who have been banned from entering Ukraine since 2006 look strange. It is much more professional to talk about what you understand and not to row one size fits all.


Source: ru.wikipedia.org

Unfortunately, Mikhail Leontyev on the radio did not fully disclose the reasons for this rejection of young people. There was an attempt on the air to link the imperfection of youth with ignorance of the national storiesbut this is honestly a cheap argument. History, as you know, is a very slippery discipline, and in such cases it is always necessary to clarify in whose presentation the story is. If in the version of Mr. Leontyev, then, of course, it would be better not to know her. And, most importantly: what should change in the "dark historians" by the age of 25? Should they see?

Leontyev's thesis "because these people do not know anything" is very extensive and does not give a clear idea of ​​the level of our youth. What should they know? The foundations of democracy, the right to freedom of speech, the right to peaceful protest - this is what modern youth have already understood, including through school subjects: social studies and law. Is not news for the younger generation and a special attitude in our country to these concepts. Obviously, this is the main idea - to restrict the right to vote to those who have already understood everything and put it on the shelves for themselves. People under 25 usually have two flaws: they have a heightened sense of justice and have little to lose. Having passed this age, many young people start a family, a permanent job, have children, and this makes them conform to a certain extent. Mikhail Leontyev, obviously, would like very much that such “accommodating” people would go to vote in the first place. And young people from 18 to 25 years old in our country, by the way, are about 12 million. And they are trying to exclude all of them from the electoral process.

Adults rule


Expressions discrediting the honor and dignity of an entire generation: it is with such a formulation that a hypothetical trial of Mikhail Leontyev could be started. Still, the situation when a 61-year-old man speaks so vilely of an entire generation and considers youth to be a disease looks like a reason for the proceedings. One of the problems of many "successful" people at this age is excessive egocentrism. Such people believe that it is their life experience, established views that come to the fore. Through the prism of their lives, they see the whole world, they consider themselves the very salt of the earth. Mikhail Leontyev, judging by his biography, was looking for his purpose in life until the age of 27. First he graduated from Plekhanov University, then unexpectedly became a cabinet maker and only in the late 80s realized that his true vocation was in journalism. Now it is clear why all young people under 25 seem to Leontyev to be inferior and incapable of making a conscious choice ...

If we tear ourselves away from the personality of the Rosneft press secretary, who desperately defends his assets with such statements, the situation will be even more dramatic. It is logical to assume that the ban on voting under 25 is somehow related to life expectancy in the country. By analogy with the extension of the retirement age. If we have an increase in life expectancy, then, quite likely, the period of growing up will also lengthen. Such a relationship is quite possible. The speed of technological progress is increasing, the world around is becoming more complicated and people need more and more time to fully analyze the situation. However, for our country, this is not entirely true. For many reasons, the average life expectancy in Russia lags behind developed countries and roughly corresponds to North Africa and South America. And with technological progress, as we know, not everything is in order in Russia: for many decades the country has been classified as a developing country. Therefore, we sweep aside the demographic reason for Leontyev's initiative.

The very reason for the introduction of the age limit for elections, obviously, is not fully understood by Leontiev. It is no coincidence that the notorious qualification in Russia coincides with the age of majority. Until the age of 18, a person is still under the care of parents, and after this age, theoretically, he should take care of himself. And taking care of yourself, among other things, lies in the ability to choose the government that will create appropriate conditions for young people: decent jobs, infrastructure, healthcare, and so on. Ideally, parties in the fight to get into legislative and executive bodies would have to take into account the interests of those who are between 18 and 25 years old. Otherwise, they will lose a considerable part of the electorate. Let's assume that Leontyev’s initiative will be supported and allowed to the polling stations from the age of 25. From this moment on, not a single party will be interested in the problems of this age category of the country's inhabitants: why is this if they do not vote? This will, in turn, lead to the marginalization of youth. If there are no legal levers of influence on the government, they will find illegal ones. How can one fail to remember that there are about 12 million people with the "disease of youth" in Russia!

The young, "however," do not understand. Mikhail Leontiev and the new gerontocracy

Source: istoriarusi.ru

But this, of course, is an extreme scenario for the development of the situation. It is much more likely that a new gerontocracy will appear in the Russian power structures, which our country has already gone through. Young people under the age of 25, who, as we have already found out, are not needed by anyone, will cease to be interested in state affairs, politics and become obsessed with their mercantile problems. This, in turn, will cause an acute shortage of personnel in the government and party structures, which the children of current leaders will not be able to fully satisfy. The average age in the country's leadership will grow rapidly, and Russia will plunge into an era of gerontocracy. Perhaps Mr. Leontyev is quite happy with this scenario.

Mikhail Leontyev can only advise him to understand one truth: as soon as in the young generation you start to see completely some idiots who know nothing, it's time to immediately get ready for retirement.

Popular cry


Leontiev, of course, got excited. He gave up such a juicy excuse to gloat over the recently overheated liberal and oppositional public. And here is a small selection of the most deliberate and verified answers to the press secretary of Rosneft.

“The press secretary of Rosneft proposes to deprive the youth of Russia of voting rights, because otherwise people like him will lose the country. Well, at least he honestly said ... Tomorrow he will propose to physically eliminate the youth of Russia. "

“An interesting initiative against the backdrop of a situation when senators and State Duma deputies proposed extending the youth age to 35 years. Who then will vote? However, taking into account the latest legislative innovations, it is no longer so important, almost to the point "no difference."

“Somehow unconstitutional ... It seems like children are now the main treasure of the country. And as soon as this property grows, it turns into social rubbish. "

“Apparently, a person who has classified his income cannot understand young people from ordinary working families, whose parents work for 15 rubles a month and are, in Putin's opinion, the middle class. About paid education that is unnecessary for employers, about a low standard of living - if you can find a job, and 000-30% of young people in Russia are unemployed. Probably, for all this, young people should love power, according to the official. But this is not the case. Because of the problems that the authorities do not intend to solve, young people are increasingly going to the opposition. "

“The State Duma just recently rode through the already dead electoral system, passing a law on three days of voting. It is clear that in specific Russian conditions this is an additional instrument of falsification. Now Leontiev… went on the same topic. Perhaps the issue of the final transfer of the voting institution to an imitation format is being resolved. Hence the sudden and feverish activity. Leontiev is, of course, right about youth. She is almost universally disloyal to the Kremlin regime. And something needs to be done with this ... "
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  1. passerby
    passerby 27 July 2020 04: 39 New
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    Another "leader" whose "people are not the same". He cannot, so to speak, appreciate the grandeur of his plans and the flight of thought. And the funny thing is that it does not even occur to him that discontent is not born from scratch and if it was born then there is a good reason for that and something needs to be done with this reason. But why bother with all sorts of nonsense, who is interested in the problems of young people and what these young people are dissatisfied with, you just need to deprive them of the right to vote and forget about young people and their problems.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 27 July 2020 04: 54 New
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      Fortunately, he is not a "doer", but just a talking head. That is precisely why he bears whatever he wants - no responsibility, no consequences.
      1. passerby
        passerby 27 July 2020 06: 15 New
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        Quote: military_cat
        Fortunately, he is not a "doer", but just a talking head. That is precisely why he bears whatever he wants - no responsibility, no consequences.


        It is clear that he is a talking head, but this is only worse. It turns out that this head speaks completely corresponds to the opinion of the one who pays her, and Sechin pays her, but who put Sechin at the head of Rosneft I think is clear. So it turns out that the opinion transmitted by this talking head is not his opinion, but the point of view of the leadership of our country. It turns out that instead of solving youth problems and improving the quality of education at the very top, the issue of depriving young people of the right to vote is being discussed.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 27 July 2020 08: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: bystander
          Well, who put Sechin at the head of Rosneft, I think it's clear.

          Shhhh, the one whose name can't be said out loud? belay You, damn it, are already as neighbors with in (on) ...., right on Smelyakov: "He goes with this name, he gets up with this name" laughing He will be eternal, like the Lord God, because you constantly think about him and thereby increase his vital power laughing
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 27 July 2020 09: 45 New
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          Quote: bystander
          It turns out that instead of solving youth problems and improving the quality of education at the very top, the issue of depriving young people of the right to vote is being discussed.

          Colleague, the thing is that Putinism "lost" the youth, having raised a generation in one part of the nauseating consumers, and in the other, radically opposed to the government.
          It should be noted that in the event of a worsening economic situation in the country, young nazi-consumers will very quickly join the radical part, merge with it in revolutionary ecstasy and blow Putinism to hell.
          The government is very afraid of young people, it has no influence on them, they do not know what to expect from it, and student protests are not far off.
          1. Arlen
            Arlen 27 July 2020 10: 41 New
            30
            In our country, there is a fairly large group of politically active, ambitious young people, which our authorities, in fact, have simply forgotten. They don't pay attention to her. They do not allow her to develop, Seliger does not count, in my opinion there is an ordinary crowd. There is no youth policy as such in the country. And what is left for young people to do in such conditions? What to do with your ambitions and energy? That's right, go into the protest movement. The future of our country is in the hands of young people, and specifically protest youth.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 27 July 2020 10: 54 New
              +8
              Quote: Arlen
              The future of our country is in the hands of young people, and specifically protest youth.

              Greetings, Friend, I agree with you! The youth of the 21st century can no longer and does not want to live in Putin's neo-feudalism of the beginning of the last century, the technologies of fooling them do not work, and they have no prospects under Putinism, therefore the revolution is as inevitable as the sunrise.
              1. sg7s
                sg7s 27 July 2020 14: 32 New
                +7
                let me disagree ... I judge by my daughter - medal, red, my opinion, etc. Well, there are no "moods" there - neither protest nor liberal ... Quiet as in a timber truck when I got stuck ... They saw you and me and our expectations and forecasts ... It's scary ...
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 27 July 2020 19: 02 New
                  +1
                  Is your daughter already working, or is her "happy childhood" still going on?
                  1. sg7s
                    sg7s 27 July 2020 20: 21 New
                    +2
                    It works, some kind of IT company, remotely, a good salary, EDS, Skolkovo residents and other garbage ... but ... absolute political infantilism ...
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 27 July 2020 20: 37 New
                      +4
                      Well this is almost a "happy childhood". Estessno, there will be political infantilism until Skolkovo collapses.
              2. Lexus
                Lexus 27 July 2020 17: 47 New
                +8
                Hello my friend! hi
                There is such a term - "absurdist" reigned. As an example, a once rich house with a dysfunctional family living in it, having lost a breadwinner, in which an absolutely worthless stranger "uncle" is registered. A kind of "freeloader" who a priori is not able to give anything, but only single-handedly eats, revels, and therefore constantly fumbles through his pockets, drags everything out of his home and spreads his hands. Children, if they want to survive, will have to grow up very quickly, in order, at least, to put the "survivor" out the door. Naturally, he will resist being removed from the "feeding trough" - it is imperative to unite in order to become stronger. Otherwise, you can become complete orphans once and for all. A Man has only one Mother, and a People has a Motherland. Both are wrong, but it is always necessary to remember that other "motherlands" have their own offspring.
              3. Lopatov
                Lopatov 27 July 2020 18: 56 New
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                Quote: Stroporez
                Agree with you! The youth of the 21st century can no longer and do not want to live in Putin's neo-feudalism of the beginning of the last century

                I really trudge from your company ...
                Now you started broadcasting for the youth ...
                Okay, when you tried to express the opinion of the people, but young people are already the level of senile dementia ...

                laughing laughing laughing
                1. Private-K
                  Private-K 28 July 2020 09: 02 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  I really trudge from your company ...

                  Doctor: "Now you have become acquainted with the typical reaction of the leftist" consciousness "to an external stimulus. As we can see, its main essence is protest as such, an emotional protest, almost unconscious in its essence.
            2. Financier
              Financier 2 August 2020 23: 55 New
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              It has always been that way. The future of our country is always in the hands of young people.
          2. DED_peer_DED
            DED_peer_DED 27 July 2020 12: 31 New
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            and student protests are just around the corner.


            Oh...

            Leontiev is right in assessing youth.
            He is wrong in another, the most important thing. In the fact that the entire population of Russia must be deprived of the "electoral rights". From small to large.
            Since the circus with the name "elections and popular vote" has long lost all meaning and is necessary only for the ruling elite to make a take-away "glossy cover" of its legitimacy.
            But the times of flirting with "slaves" are passing. The need for beautiful mines with a bad game is no longer visible. The authorities are becoming more arrogant and confident that they have already taken God by the beard. And the money for the "procedures" is a pity.
            Perhaps Leont'ev understands this, but he cannot openly say, since it will immediately become "impassable", so the thought spreads along the tree ...
            Leontyev, of course, is a "bug", but that is not the point here.
            I think it's not about young people at all.
            Like this.

            The average age in the country's leadership will grow rapidly, and Russia will plunge into an era of gerontocracy.

            Already...

            1. alecsis69
              alecsis69 30 July 2020 00: 33 New
              +1
              Take the example of the United States, where teenagers are eager to run for president.
          3. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 27 July 2020 12: 57 New
            +8
            in the event of a worsening economic situation in the country, young nihilists-consumers will very quickly join the radical part, merge with it in revolutionary ecstasy and blow Putinism to hell.
            Why not? Today, a literate consumer is being diligently cultivated! And this literate consumer can very easily switch to radicalism as a literate consumer! And the juvenile contributes to this. Although, of course, the goal of a juvenile is to educate and create your own selfishness. But who knows! It is very possible that selfishness can lead to radicalism! hi
          4. your1970
            your1970 27 July 2020 15: 39 New
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            Quote: Stroporez
            Putinism "lost" the youth, having raised a generation in one part of the indifferent consumers, and in the other, radically opposed to the government.

            Remind me please - how did the Communist Party of the Soviet Union raise indifference and radicals by 1991 ???? how SOVIET education raised fans of Rezun ??? How did the party apparatus of the CPSU profuse the people ??
            Quote: Stroporez
            they have no prospects under Putinism, so a revolution is as inevitable as a sunrise.
            - that's how it happened that the CPSU profiled the USSR ...
            And now * that "The youth of the 80s are running around, wringing their hands and crying -" We didn't know, we didn't understand, we were deceived, we were lured with chewing gum, we thought communism was bad ... "...
            The current 50 year olds (then 20 years old !!) just surrendered the country then ...

            And the current 20 year olds will surrender the Russian Federation .... The most important thing is that they then(30 years later !!!) snot on the walls did not smear- "We were lured !! we did not understand !!! We thought that" Putinism "is bad !!"

            Z. Y. The only thing I'm afraid is that Russia will not endure the third revolution in 100 years ... There are too many people who want to divide it ...
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 27 July 2020 18: 57 New
              +3
              Quote: your1970
              And now * that "The youth of the 80s are running around, wringing their hands and crying -" We didn't know, we didn't understand, we were deceived, we were lured with chewing gum, we thought communism was bad ... "...
              The current 50 year olds (then 20 years old !!) just surrendered the country then ...

              Exactly!
              1. alecsis69
                alecsis69 30 July 2020 00: 40 New
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                I think Leontyev had not a thoughtful statement, but a cry from the heart. They really don't know anything. For example, what is the difference between Martin Luther and Martin Luther King.
                Regarding the fact that by 30 they become comfortable, I think by 30 they just start to think about the consequences and stop thinking that they will live forever.
            2. flicker
              flicker 27 July 2020 23: 47 New
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              The most important thing is that they then (after 30 years !!!) do not smear the snot on the walls- "We were lured! We did not understand !!!

              The life of a generation is short (70-80 years). The life of a state can last for centuries (i.e., generation after generation).
              ---
              The people are not only the one who lives today, but to a much greater extent the one who must live tomorrow.
              And for this he needs the state.

              Therefore, anyone who begins to destroy the state (and only a distraught people can destroy their state) must get their own Tiananmen.
              ---
              The choice is not great, either to educate young people, or to wait for them to grow up (what Leontyev is talking about), or Tiananmen.
              ---
        3. Shahno
          Shahno 27 July 2020 15: 02 New
          -1
          The question is not discussed .... It is tasted. In case of reign up to 90 .. Here's how today's young people, who will then be 40 years old, will react to it.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 27 July 2020 07: 56 New
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        Quote: military_cat
        Fortunately, he is not a "doer", but just a talking head. That is precisely why he bears whatever he wants - no responsibility, no consequences.

        Mikhail abuses alcohol apparently .. But this is not just a talking head, this head listens attentively and reproduces the soaps that hover over Sechin .. and Sechin has a great influence on Putin .. So I won’t be surprised .. for the sake of power, they can even cancel vote..
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 27 July 2020 08: 37 New
          +8
          So I won't be surprised .. for the sake of power, they can even cancel the vote altogether ..
          ... Vladimir, why do we need a vote? "What is the point of burying secrets" (c)? .... Sweet feeling in government? laughing If we talk about the electoral qualification, then we need to talk not about age, but about property, if your salary is not 50 tyrov (salary, without allowances), you do not vote, according to the ancient Russian custom smile And that's it, the current state will solve all its pressing problems ... laughing Soon, I think it will be so ... Why, we have a voter? Nooo, we (in the sense of them) do not need a voter ... They put down roots ... We need to protect ourselves ...
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 27 July 2020 09: 41 New
            +5
            Quote: parusnik
            . Vladimir, why do we need a vote? "What is the meaning of burying secrets"

            In general, yes .. vote, do not vote .. laughing
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 27 July 2020 18: 07 New
              +1
              Greetings, Colleague! hi
              When the only "rattle" runs along the road, then either at exorbitant prices, or not on the way, or even behind the "steering wheel" of a Maniacello. Maybe all together, if "a sick pensioner drives."lol
          2. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 27 July 2020 13: 08 New
            +4
            Duc here and without laughing we can see what we are going to! Who allows the soldiers to develop the plans of the General Staff? So it is here! If you are so smart, why are you so poor ?! Who was allowed to develop the pension reform or constitutional amendments? So the idea of ​​a property qualification is very correct! The management pyramid has been created! I do not know the truth on how many levels it is distributed, but the structure is visible as in games. A person of the first level, tenth, two hundredth, ...! Not for nothing did Gref talk about strata! A person of the first level has a salary of 1 minimum wage. The tenth level is 10 minimum wages. And those who have 100 and above are generally unattainable!
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 27 July 2020 09: 29 New
          -13
          Quote: Svarog
          and Sechin has great influence on Putin
          Hypnotizing, giving bribes, or knowing where Putin's death is hidden? Has anyone ever believed in your awareness of the secret springs of the Kremlin's power at least once in your life? Some kind of Baba Babarikha.
        3. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 27 July 2020 10: 34 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          Mikhail is apparently abusing alcohol ..

          This is beyond doubt, he has a nickname for a long time - "press drunk" hi
        4. Normal ok
          Normal ok 27 July 2020 10: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: military_cat
          Fortunately, he is not a "doer", but just a talking head. That is precisely why he bears whatever he wants - no responsibility, no consequences.

          Mikhail abuses alcohol apparently .. But this is not just a talking head, this head listens attentively and reproduces the soaps that hover over Sechin .. and Sechin has a great influence on Putin .. So I won’t be surprised .. for the sake of power, they can even cancel vote..

          Nobody will cancel the voting. They will simply turn it into a meaningless formality. The corresponding law "On three-day voting" has already been adopted by the State Duma.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 27 July 2020 17: 39 New
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            Quote: Normal ok
            Nobody will cancel the voting.

            So there are ideals, so to speak - for those admitted to voting in the elections to the first Russian Duma, nikloashka and to such qualifications they applied that something turned out to be about 3% of the population admitted to the expression of will ...
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 27 July 2020 18: 40 New
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              Still, not 3%, but more was.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 28 July 2020 14: 16 New
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                In the Duma of the first convocation somewhere it was ..
                1. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 28 July 2020 16: 11 New
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                  There were also elections for the curia. Most of the male peasants had the right to vote in the peasant curia.
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 28 July 2020 16: 16 New
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                    Quote: Sergej1972
                    There were also elections for the curia. Most of the male peasants had the right to vote in the peasant curia.

                    "The elections were multi-stage, were held in four unequal curiae: 1) landowning, 2) urban, 3) peasant and 4) workers. The rate of representation was: one elector per 2 thousand population in the landowning curia, 4 thousand in the urban, by 30 thousand - in the peasant, by 90 thousand - in the worker. "
                    "Not all inhabitants of the empire had the right to vote. In order to have the right to vote, it is necessary to meet the following criteria at least a year before the elections:

                    for the landowning curia - to be the owner of 100 to 650 acres of land, depending on the area, to have real estate worth at least 15 thousand rubles.
                    in the city curia - to be the owner of city real estate and commercial and industrial establishments, a tenant or an employee.
                    for the peasant curia - to have home ownership;
                    for a worker curia - to be a worker in an enterprise with at least 50 male workers.

                    In addition, there were categories of the population that were generally deprived of voting rights. These included foreign nationals, persons under the age of 25, women, students, military personnel on active duty, wandering foreigners convicted of crimes, dismissed from office by the court (within 3 years after removal), being on trial and investigation, bankrupt (before determining the reason - everyone except the unfortunate), being under guardianship (in addition to minors, the guardianship included the deaf, the mentally ill and recognized as wasteful), deprived of the clergy for vices, expelled from the estate societies by their sentences, as well as governors, vice-governors, mayors and their assistants (in the territories entrusted to them) and police officers (working in the constituency). "
                    Well, will there be a lot?
                    By the way, pay attention to the youth) ...
                    1. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 28 July 2020 18: 04 New
                      +2
                      A lot, actually. The overwhelming majority of the peasants had home ownership, so they had the right to vote in their curia. The percentage of peasants eligible to vote within their curia was higher than the percentage eligible to vote within other curiae. Women and the military then practically did not participate in elections anywhere in the world. Foreigners, prisoners, and the mentally ill are not supposed to vote anywhere. Another thing is that the landowning curia had a strongly overestimated representation in comparison with its share in the population. And the peasant had understated representation.
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 29 July 2020 14: 26 New
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                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        Women and the military then practically did not participate in elections anywhere in the world. Foreigners, prisoners, and the mentally ill are not supposed to vote anywhere.

                        I wonder what you are talking about? Did we compare how it was in the world?
                        Have you tried to calculate (of course, approximately) how many electors there will be, and how many as a result it will be as a percentage of the adult population?
                      2. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 29 July 2020 14: 36 New
                        +3
                        Why not compare it with the electoral practice in other countries at that time? This is quite correct.
                      3. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 29 July 2020 14: 44 New
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                        Well, don't compare, just why are you writing to me about this comparison? It seems that the conversation was about the fact that now in Russia there are hints that it would be necessary to limit the number of those who are worthy to participate in elections, which is very similar to what happened in 1906.
  2. Kisa
    Kisa 27 July 2020 08: 02 New
    +4
    a golden feather to him in one place. for the 15th year, the American boom is about to be covered. counter-offer to strip this seer of the right to vote
  3. Dante Alighieri
    Dante Alighieri 27 July 2020 09: 58 New
    +2
    Fortunately, he is not a "doer", but just a talking head. That is precisely why he bears whatever he wants - no responsibility, no consequences.

    Why did you put Mishiko down so low? For a moment, he is one of the authors of the charter of United Russia. that is why, apparently, he is still held in office, despite the fact that the management has to constantly apologize for the statements of its subordinate.
    1. snucerist
      snucerist 27 July 2020 11: 31 New
      -1
      This "effective manager" just needs to drink less.
      Then he will not carry such nonsense. And he will begin to understand that with such statements he incites young people against the authorities.
      Who does he work for, this Cossack?
      1. Pardus
        Pardus 27 July 2020 14: 49 New
        +8
        Quote: snucerist
        Who does he work for, this Cossack?

        It can be said unequivocally that it is definitely not for the people of Russia and not for Russia.
  4. Pardus
    Pardus 27 July 2020 14: 44 New
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    Quote: military_cat
    Fortunately, he is not a "doer"

    Our leaders speak through his mouth yes
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 27 July 2020 08: 28 New
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    Quote: bystander
    Another "leader" whose "people are not the same."

    And what is interesting, practically all of these figures have the same national roots. Eternal guardians of the people.
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 27 July 2020 11: 15 New
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      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Eternal guardians of the people.

      Hello Igor! hi
      On one of the Internet portal, I came across an article: "Who of the rulers of Russia is really great?" The rulers who showed the maximum positive result of the government: Lenin, Stalin. In politics, the result is counted according to the fruits of government. And what can today's "guardians of the people" count towards the success of their rule? There is not even a youth policy. But there is a "flea market"!
      1. ninguem
        ninguem 27 July 2020 23: 01 New
        12
        Quote: Arlen
        there is no policy. But there is a "flea market"

        Because there is no politics, because our politicians make money on politics. How! wassat
  • siberalt
    siberalt 27 July 2020 09: 03 New
    14
    Look who the author is. Balabol Zhenya Fedorov ?! What parties in Russia is he talking about? We do not have political parties, but there are factions for the Duma and clans to raze Russia on the ground. The party defends the interests of any part of society, and not just for all good versus all bad. As for the age of voters, with the current lapdog in education, young people at 18 and 20 years old are entirely infants. It is interesting that Fedorov was so twitching just for Leontiev's reasoning. Here, it seems, personal grievances. Although, the topic is relevant.
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 27 July 2020 09: 37 New
      +3
      You might think that at their age you were fiery and inspired people who thought of nothing except the construction of communism and Marx's theory of surplus value. Schoolchildren, students, youth have always been the same.
      1. Dante Alighieri
        Dante Alighieri 27 July 2020 10: 09 New
        11
        While free burn
        While hearts for honor are alive,
        My friend, dedicate to the fatherland
        Souls are wonderful impulses!
        Comrade, believe: she will rise,
        Captivating Star of Happiness,
        Russia will wake up from a dream,
        And on the ruins of autocracy
        Write our names!

        Pushkin, when he wrote these lines to Chaadaev, was 19 years old!
      2. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 27 July 2020 12: 38 New
        +7
        Quote: Deniska999
        You might think that at their age you were fiery and inspired people who thought of nothing except the construction of communism and Marx's theory of surplus value. Schoolchildren, students, youth have always been the same.

        The upbringing factor was strong. Now it is simply - absent, as well as state ideology, in principle.
        Therefore, "it was and it became" the quantities are incommensurable.
        1. your1970
          your1970 27 July 2020 15: 44 New
          -1
          Quote: DED_peer_DED
          The upbringing factor was strong. Now it is simply - absent, as well as state ideology, in principle.
          Therefore, "it was and it became" the quantities are incommensurable.

          He was so strong that the USSR did not become .... Ideology apparently did not exist, huh ????? !!!
          1. boni592807
            boni592807 31 July 2020 20: 11 New
            0
            Colleague, his1970 (Sergey) 27 July 2020 15:44, , quoting your answer to:
            "The upbringing factor was strong. Now it is simply - absent, as well as state ideology, in principle.
            Therefore, "it was and it became" is incommensurable quantities.


            "He was so strong that the USSR was gone .... Apparently there was no ideology, right ????"

            What are you about!? belay
            If you were at least 25 years old at the time of the collapse of the USSR (you have been since 1970 - then in 1988 you only have school and then until 1991 - +3 years - that is, your consciousness has already been min. Since 1985 "pressed" by ideology "sell-buy", "acceleration and restructuring with a liberal-democratic face"), then you MUST remember WHAT and HOW it was.
            Just a few "hints": repeat
            1. Remember the x \ f "Beware of the car". Comedy, YES !!! But, about WHAT? If you delete the plot with the fighter Detochkin, then the basis is "commodity-money-commodity". Principle - "If you want to live, be able to trust!" Remember ?!
            2. If in dynamics - Cotton (Gdlyan), Diamond (not without the participation of Galina Brezhneva), there is even a film based on.
            3.A shop workers, and the "interesting" development of the commercial movement, etc. joint ventures in the 80s ". And where did the party and Komsomolsk workers (a significant part) in all republics go? They forgot about These" selfless "fighters for Ideology. Here is an example of changing shoes on the fly from the icon of the historian of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in his "irreconcilable" fighter. In general, "Nothing personal, just ...."
            4. The surnames Gorbachev and Yeltsin (and their other name is legion), do they tell you something? Who were in (at) the USSR and what was the result? Before that, the Kremlin elders were at an impasse and then left one after another, in the country "liberal spirit". By the way, it is far from a secret that a large number of children and grandchildren of the Vlasov and Banderaites (thanks to the "humanist" Khrushchev) actively worked in these organizations.
            5.How did the national republics live (how much they contributed) to the USSR. Those who were in the Baltic States remember THEIR love, not all, but enough.
            The process went on, and finally there was a critical mass in everything, especially in the main organ.
            The question is not what WAS (ideology)! And in how it developed, corrected, defended itself! . belay
            By the way, read what the real, not the exaggerated desident Zinoviev said about the death of the USSR. Helpful. hi
            recourse An example of China, when it was launched there, too, as in Moscow at that time, as in Kiev in 2014. The result of the Wu "kraina is known. In China (Tiananming) it is also known.
            What now? sad
            - Russia is the "leader" of developing countries,
            - Kiev - significantly "overtook" on the way to Europe
            - China is the 1st economy in the WORLD and a real contender for HEGEMONY in the same place. And they just watched the "successes" of the former elder brother (USSR) in socialism, they understood that the haste is HARMFUL, and the socialist national ideology (by the way, the theory of building socialism in one country is far from new. Tzu, this is USEFUL (kara-syo). And they beat "the tiger and the bear", the principle of the smart monkey worked. By the way, the Soviets overshadow the TRUE meaning of THIS phrase. And not idle speculations MOLO DEZHI!
            It is necessary, a colleague, to be interested in the history of your country, especially if you LIVED and live in the specified period. And not to reproduce the thoughts and words of "Captain Soros's children", Something like that! It was me that buzzed like an old man hi .
            R.S. Bearded ancdote. They asked a famous astrologer what awaits Russia. He replied: "She has 2 options for development - either terrible or incredible possible." So let it come true, as in the song from the radio station of the times of the USSR "We were born to make a fairy tale come true."
            It is a pity that the current young (thank God, not all of them) are more likely the children of Soros than Lieutenant Schmidt. True, life is a good teacher, and the grades are the same as in the 2nd 10th system: either 1 (there is) or 0 ... Usually the majority grow wiser ... hi
            1. your1970
              your1970 31 July 2020 21: 50 New
              0
              Judging by your post - about Gorbachev, elders, sell buy, etc. - the USSR was doomed automatically- just because duplicates Stalin was not and no, but Khrushchev and all subsequent ones were ruining the USSR ???
              The meaning of returning to him (to the USSR) then - if he (the USSR) can exist only in the event of the coming of power strictly defined personality(the probability is negligible) ??
  • Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 27 July 2020 11: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: bystander
    Another "leader" whose "people are not the same."

    Young people, in the guise of "effective managers", now rule the industries. And how it turns out ?
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 27 July 2020 12: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Bad_gr
      And how it turns out ?

      Disgusting.
      But, young people in production management, this is a choice of the current government, and not just a coincidence.
      Guess why?
    2. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 27 July 2020 13: 12 New
      +5
      And how it turns out ?
      It turns out like in a fairy tale! The further, the worse! laughing
      1. Pardus
        Pardus 27 July 2020 14: 57 New
        17
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        And how it turns out ?
        It turns out like in a fairy tale! The further, the worse! laughing

        Yeah ... Life is strange - cheaters are waiting for loyalty ...
        Liars are looking for the truth ... And the people live like in a fairy tale ...
  • iouris
    iouris 27 July 2020 12: 16 New
    +2
    It's not about young people, but about a country that is constantly being "lost". When the "gerantocrats" were young, they themselves did not know what they were doing and they were talking beautiful nonsense. And suddenly - they saw the light, they realized the problem, they were already articulating: we must do something!
  • Dimmedroll
    Dimmedroll 29 July 2020 19: 22 New
    0
    In fact, he said everything correctly, we are easier to manage. Young people under 25 cannot think critically. Therefore, different things can happen with the strange. No attachment is just an unbridled revolt of hormones.
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 27 July 2020 05: 09 New
    -1
    The author took and threw mud at an independently thinking person!
    Leontiev simply expressed his opinion and nothing more.
    Indeed, in Russia there is a lot that is incomprehensible with the official period of man's growing up. And the term "youth" has recently been increased from 30 to 35, probably due to the new pension legislation.
    The motherland permits marriage and gives a young man a machine gun at the age of 18 and already a priori considers him an adult, but it is possible to be elected to the lower-level deputies only upon reaching the age of 21, that is, the right to kill enemies and make new citizens from 18, and the right to sit from 21 of the year!
    And about the education of young people, I would also speak only in an obscene tone, because the modern system of not only school, but also higher education as such does not stand up to criticism.
    1. Evdokim
      Evdokim 27 July 2020 05: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Grim Skeptic
      that is, the right to kill enemies and make new citizens from 18, and the right to sit from the age of 21!

      You forgot, but they still want to deprive you of the opportunity to drink vodka until the age of 21.
      It feels like they want to babysit with them (the youth) until they retire !!!
      You can't live or have sex in half !!! hi
      1. Gloomy skeptic
        Gloomy skeptic 27 July 2020 05: 27 New
        -4
        I have not forgotten, but this is only talk so far, and for the time being, vodka and tobacco potion have been sold since the age of 18.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 27 July 2020 06: 31 New
          +3
          everything goes to this. all analytics of the alcoholic beverages market are already screaming about it. it's just that all the measures taken in recent years to reduce consumption really work, and although it's silly for me to rejoice in this at work, I nevertheless cannot help but notice this fact. the fact that from 21 years old it will only be a matter of time. while the lobby is still kicking, but they practically do not react to them.
          1. DED_peer_DED
            DED_peer_DED 27 July 2020 12: 46 New
            +1
            the measures taken in recent years to reduce consumption are really working and although it is stupid for me to rejoice in this at work, I nevertheless cannot fail to notice this fact.


            Here are the main "measures to reduce consumption" -

            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 27 July 2020 12: 52 New
              +1
              Sorry, but this is stupidity. You are not in the subject, I understand, but for me this is bread. in the nineties, even according to official statistics, consumption was much higher than now. and you think you remember the financial situation of people then. I'm talking about the mechanisms that started working in 09.
              1. DED_peer_DED
                DED_peer_DED 27 July 2020 13: 03 New
                +3
                Quote: carstorm 11
                and you think you remember the financial situation of people then. I'm talking about the mechanisms that started working in 09.

                And, do you remember the number of unemployed THEN (USSR) and now?
                Really, not on the stock exchange?
                And what about social guarantees from the state?
                And the prices?
                And taxes and other, hidden and not very extortions?
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 27 July 2020 13: 09 New
                  0
                  what does the USSR have to do with it? I talked about the nineties and let's go. we are now at the level of consumption of 70 years Union of times. I'm talking about clear things. about the statistics of alcohol consumption. what does the unemployed and social guarantees have to do with it?
                  1. DED_peer_DED
                    DED_peer_DED 27 July 2020 13: 13 New
                    +3
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    what does the unemployed and social guarantees have to do with it?

                    With our wallet. Then and now.
                    Comparing "blessed 2020" with the damned 90s in terms of the number of drunken and lost people, this is certainly cool.
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 27 July 2020 13: 14 New
                      +1
                      and so what? I compare the statistics of the state since the abolition of the state monopoly.
                      1. DED_peer_DED
                        DED_peer_DED 27 July 2020 13: 17 New
                        +1
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        and so what?

                        I have no more questions ...
                      2. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 27 July 2020 13: 24 New
                        +1
                        it is right. there is no point in arguing. but the fact is still the fact. the financial position of the nineties contributed to a wild rise in consumption. there is no money and they only drank more and more. this is the meaning of the conversation until you got in.
        2. ycuce234-san
          ycuce234-san 27 July 2020 22: 09 New
          +1
          everything goes to this. all analytics of the alcoholic beverages market are already screaming about it.


          Quite interesting (well, not without humor ...) it will look, for example, in this version: until the age of 21, drink-smoke "absolutely completely nizzyayayayayayayaya" and the parents or guardians are fined, 21 years - the acquisition of the "coveted" only in the personal accompaniment of an adult parent or guardian and according to his "adult" passport, in contrast to the "child's passport" 14-35 years to work, driving vehicles and equipment, doing some sports and traveling, etc.), use - similarly strictly in the presence and under the control and dosage of adults; accidentally drunk to addiction - a child of LTP, adults - legal sanctions. Finally, from 35 - it's already possible, but somehow I don't want to ...
          It remains only to come up with something effective with demographics and average median life expectancy. Probably, we should try to prohibit the presence of adults in youth non-alcoholic clubs, youth sports clubs ... wink
  • Region68
    Region68 27 July 2020 05: 26 New
    +9
    Is it Leontiev who thinks independently?
    Even if he thinks only about his pocket ..
    1. Gloomy skeptic
      Gloomy skeptic 27 July 2020 05: 31 New
      +3
      Would it suit you for him to think about your pocket ??? Everyone thinks about their pocket and you are NOT an EXCEPTION.
      1. Region68
        Region68 27 July 2020 05: 38 New
        11
        It would suit me that my country would stop sliding into fascism, the mouthpiece of which is all these Leontievs, Solovievs and others
        1. Gloomy skeptic
          Gloomy skeptic 27 July 2020 05: 43 New
          -13
          So organize a movement on this topic and name it as you see fit, although judging by your comments, you have no idea about the topic you are opposed to.
          Read the relevant literature, although what am I advising you here, in your words - the ethnic Jew Solovyov calls for fascism ??? I don't even know how to answer this.
          1. Region68
            Region68 27 July 2020 05: 55 New
            21
            The ethnic Jew Solovyov has a "fig in his pocket" in the form of real estate in Italy ..
            As long as people like you hawala what he says and pay for it, he will propagandize ..
            Then dump
            1. Gloomy skeptic
              Gloomy skeptic 27 July 2020 05: 58 New
              -22
              Envy is a bad counselor. Consider money only in your wallet. I do not hawai, I have my own opinion. But are you still looking for enemies? It's time to grow up already, although not everyone succeeds.
              1. Region68
                Region68 27 July 2020 06: 03 New
                22
                I AM? Yes, God be with you ... Soloviev and Leontyev are looking for enemies just ..
                And then I consider them ordinary careerists and opportunists and devices ..

                Which are worse than enemies, by the way
              2. Revival
                Revival 27 July 2020 07: 17 New
                26
                "Envy is a bad advisor. Count money only in your wallet."

                How true, apart from the fact that they count money in "my" wallet.
                And this is a completely different story ...
                1. Region68
                  Region68 27 July 2020 08: 49 New
                  10
                  + from our pocket they contain them
              3. pereselenec
                pereselenec 27 July 2020 14: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: Grim Skeptic
                Consider money only in your wallet.


                The money in my wallet is mine. The money in the purse of nightingale, jelly, necklace, and other propaganda murziloks is also mine. The state feeds the clowns out of the box for my taxes and dirties their rotten propaganda. That is why, of course, we, as people feeding Mr. Vecherny, will look very closely into his pocket and keep the question under control. Indeed, at any moment the circumstances of our existence can change dramatically. And then it will be possible to ask both Solovyov and his Internet hangers-on. wink
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 27 July 2020 07: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: Region68
              The ethnic Jew Solovyov has a "fig in his pocket" in the form of real estate in Italy ..

              It is not clear where children under 25 and Solovyov?
              1. Region68
                Region68 27 July 2020 08: 50 New
                +4
                Read the whole branch ... there it will be clear
            3. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 27 July 2020 08: 30 New
              +4
              Quote: Region68
              ethnic Jew Solovyov "fig in his pocket" in the form of real estate in Italy ..

              So this only has a Russian surname. wink
            4. stalki
              stalki 27 July 2020 09: 25 New
              -3
              "Fascism" you say, "a fig in your pocket" "? And then you use "ethnic Jew". Your comments are saturated with envy. You first curb your "demons", and then voice your "mature" opinion. Now the question of "mature" opinion is extremely relevant. With the level of modern education, which has fallen by several orders of magnitude, one can only dream of a reasonable choice. hi
              1. Region68
                Region68 27 July 2020 10: 45 New
                +1
                I mirrored my opponent's words .. no more, no less ..
                And it can be anything fascism ..
                "Leadership, solidarity, corporatism, enemies .."
                Read it, you will see that we have many signs of this development taking root.
                And anyone can promote it - not only true Aryans
                1. stalki
                  stalki 27 July 2020 13: 26 New
                  0
                  I noticed that anyone, and not the least bit surprised. Judging by the level of modern society, we are moving (I mean everyone on the planet without exception) along the path of self-destruction. And the most remarkable thing is that everyone is confident that they are right. It is appropriate to read "1984" here, or remember John Calhoun's "mouse paradise" experiment. So don't be under the illusion that you are different from others.
              2. Revival
                Revival 27 July 2020 15: 00 New
                +1
                And what suddenly envy, I, for example, see that budget money is allocated for his lewdness, and this does not suit me.
                The state has all the taxpayers' money, otherwise it is a khanate and a tribute, but then there is no need to talk about citizens
              3. passerby
                passerby 27 July 2020 16: 33 New
                -1
                I think it's not about envy, it's just very strange to hear slogans about the hostile West on the TV screen every day from people who have real estate in this very hostile West and constantly spend time there. This at least looks disingenuous. As for "mature opinion" and "level of education", as I understand from what Mr. Leontyev wrote, "maturity" of opinion and "level of education" of Russian citizens will be assessed by people like him who are "mature" and "educated" who have real estate in the West, preferring there to rest, be treated and teach their children and tell us how in this very West it is really bad and immoral. I'm not saying that the West wants us well, but the hypocrisy of these "talking heads" has already gotten to everyone, especially the youth, because they have not seen the same hypocritical "talking heads" with the CPSU badges that they told us about "decaying capitalism" while feeding, dressing, buying household appliances produced in countries of "decaying capitalism" in special distributors and beating out business trips to the capital of the country. We have already gone through this and seen it all, but young people do not, so we perceive it all with bitterness, and young people with rage.
                Quote: stalki
                Your comments are saturated with envy.
          2. saigon
            saigon 27 July 2020 07: 10 New
            11
            Ethnic Jew Hauptmann of the Wehrmacht Holinder, after the major received the iron cross for the battles on the Kursk Bulge, the ethnic Jew Milch was Goering's deputy at one time. Ethnic Jews quite served themselves to the Nazi regime of Germany, there were generals who had a dressing-paper right from Hitler himself, where Aloizovich personally assured the purity of their Aryan blood. Konstantin and what do you answer to that?
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 27 July 2020 08: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: saigon
              Ethnic Jew Hauptmann of the Wehrmacht Holinder, after the major received the iron cross for the battles on the Kursk Bulge, the ethnic Jew Milch was Goering's deputy at one time. Ethnic Jews completely served the Nazi regime in Germany, there were generals who had a paperbag right from Hitler himself, where Aloizovich personally assured the purity of their Aryan blood

              From among the prisoners of war of the Wehrmacht during the Second World War, more than 10 thousand persons of Jewish nationality were imprisoned in the USSR.
              1. besserbest
                besserbest 27 July 2020 09: 16 New
                0
                It was just that there were so many prisoners, and there were many more of them!
          3. pereselenec
            pereselenec 27 July 2020 14: 48 New
            -2
            Quote: Grim Skeptic
            Mind the relevant literature, although what am I advising you here, in your words-the ethnic Jew Solovyov calls for fascism ???


            We read 14 signs of fascism according to Lawrence Britt and stated:

            1. Vivid manifestations of nationalism - Doubtful
            2. Contempt for human rights - Yes
            3. Search for "scapegoats" - Yes
            4. The dominance of all the military - there is
            5. Widespread sexism - Yes
            6. Control over the media - Yes
            7. Obsession with national security - Yes
            8. The connection between religion and the ruling class - Gundyaev will not let you lie
            9. Protection of the power of corporations - Yes, Sechin and Miller won't let you lie
            10. Suppression of workers' associations - Yes
            11. Contempt for intellectuals and the arts - Controversial
            12. Obsession with crime and punishment - Yes
            13. Protectionism and corruption - yes
            14. Fraud of election results - yes
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 27 July 2020 08: 08 New
        12
        Quote: Gloomy Skeptic
        And you would be fine for him to think about your pocket??? Everyone thinks about their pocket and you are NOT an EXCEPTION.

        Well, don't be so loudly indignant. The colleague meant something else. That it is immoral to be a "patriot" for money, a corrupt journalist, in the worst sense of the term. Which are both Kiselev and Vecherny M., and this very Leontiev (who classified his income for obvious reasons).
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 27 July 2020 09: 18 New
      -7
      To understand the journalism guru Leontyev, you need to at least grow up and stop walking under the table. laughing Or, YOU, will they "bulk up" from the Internet?
      1. Revival
        Revival 27 July 2020 15: 02 New
        +2
        A journalism guru? Weathervane in general has never been honorable, so the question is to grow up or fall by the thrown bone
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 27 July 2020 05: 30 New
    0
    They pay him in Gazprom and he speaks.
    1. Gloomy skeptic
      Gloomy skeptic 27 July 2020 05: 32 New
      -24
      So go to Gazprom and you will be paid for what you say !!! What is the problem???
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 27 July 2020 05: 51 New
        16
        Leontyev does not understand that the age of the voter does not matter, as well as his vote ... it is important not how they vote, but how they think. request but in principle, current education presupposes degradation ... maybe this is what Leontyev wanted to say but could not?
        1. Gloomy skeptic
          Gloomy skeptic 27 July 2020 05: 53 New
          -2
          Perhaps you are right!
        2. Region68
          Region68 27 July 2020 05: 58 New
          -3
          How old are you?
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 27 July 2020 05: 59 New
            +5
            Quote: Region68
            How old are you?

            if the question is for me - 58.
            1. Region68
              Region68 27 July 2020 06: 01 New
              +1
              You .. Maybe you shouldn't spread about the degradation of current education to those who profuked the USSR, charged water in front of Chumak on TV and carried money to MMM?
              1. Grandfather
                Grandfather 27 July 2020 06: 12 New
                22
                Quote: Region68
                You .. Maybe you shouldn't spread about the degradation of current education to those who profuked the USSR, charged water in front of Chumak on TV and carried money to MMM?

                experience, even negative, is still an experience, and you need to learn from other people's mistakes. Yes, we profiled the USSR, and the current "children" can profuse Russia too.
                1. Region68
                  Region68 27 July 2020 06: 17 New
                  +4
                  So we don’t learn .. Again a rake ..
                  There was Brezhnev
                  Now Prezhnev ..
                2. Voyager
                  Voyager 27 July 2020 06: 22 New
                  -3
                  Leontiev is talking about this
                3. The comment was deleted.
              2. DED_peer_DED
                DED_peer_DED 27 July 2020 12: 54 New
                +3
                Quote: Region68
                ... charged water in front of Chumak on TV and carried money to MMM?

                And, do you know each of them by name? Do you have any lists available?
                Or so, just to blurt out.
                In your opinion, all 286 million people living in the USSR in 1989, was that the only thing they were doing?
                1. your1970
                  your1970 27 July 2020 15: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: DED_peer_DED
                  Or so, just to blurt out.
                  In your opinion, all 286 million people living in the USSR in 1989, was that the only thing they were doing?

                  Judging by the fact that the USSR died- it was these who did everything without exception
            2. besserbest
              besserbest 27 July 2020 09: 19 New
              -1
              Quite a boy, however! And I already have 7 great-grandchildren.
        3. saigon
          saigon 27 July 2020 07: 12 New
          +3
          In principle and most importantly, the modern EG system does not teach thinking.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 27 July 2020 18: 56 New
            0
            I would not say. Read the assignments for the second part of the history exam. And, by the way, the Unified State Exam, not the EG.
            1. saigon
              saigon 27 July 2020 19: 55 New
              0
              The tribe is studying with me, you know, to become an engineer, the exam means he passed the exam, and that's on the drawing, or whatever they call him now, they are doing something fierce.
              You can imagine the depth of the pitcher, the task is to draw the SHAFT, just a shaft in the old-mode axonometry. Brain explosion! The simplest task and without a computer horror
        4. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 July 2020 08: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: Dead Day
          Leontyev does not understand that the age of the voter does not matter, as well as his vote.

          In general, the meaning in his words is like the eternal "fathers and children", but to remove an adult from life in his state is too much. Of course, young people can be more easily persuaded to one side or the other than a person who has life experience. As one old school director said, “When we were children, we felt like adults, and now adults are like children,” but times are changing, outlooks on life are changing, but one cannot say that this is bad. And to put forward idiotic projects like Leontyev is unacceptable. Or he forgot that these guys, who were not 25 years old, died in Chechnya, and are now fighting in Syria. According to Leontiev, this is not forbidden, but it is impossible to vote, practically in his opinion, almost the entire army will lose the right to vote.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 27 July 2020 18: 59 New
            0
            I agree with you. But in many countries, military personnel did not have the right to vote until recently, and in some they still do not. And where they have the right to vote, they in the overwhelming majority of cases do not have the right to nominate their candidates and be party members.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 27 July 2020 20: 27 New
              0
              Quote: Sergej1972
              But in many countries, military personnel did not have the right to vote until recently, and in some they still do not.

              We will live as our fathers and grandfathers lived, we will not be equal to the poor.
      2. Revival
        Revival 27 July 2020 09: 16 New
        +1
        So not everything is without honor and conscience
    2. Region68
      Region68 27 July 2020 06: 06 New
      11
      In Rosneft)) Mishan, in some incomprehensible way, settled there
      1. bar
        bar 27 July 2020 08: 52 New
        0
        It is better to envy silently laughing
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 July 2020 20: 33 New
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        Quote: Region68
        In Rosneft)) Mishan, in some incomprehensible way, settled there

        Something is out of place, or the song of the ensemble "ABBA" came to mind
        Money money money
        Amused
        In the world of the rich.
        Money money money...
        Everything is shining
        In the world of the rich.
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 27 July 2020 06: 34 New
      0
      but the fact that he works for Rosneft does not bother you,
    4. bar
      bar 27 July 2020 08: 38 New
      0
      They pay him in Gazprom and he speaks.

      Actually, he is the vice president of Rosneft.
  • forest1
    forest1 27 July 2020 06: 21 New
    +2
    The author "did not take anyone and did not throw mud"
    The author "just expressed his opinion about an independently thinking person and nothing more."
    1. bar
      bar 27 July 2020 08: 45 New
      -1
      The author "just expressed his opinion about an independently thinking person and nothing more."

      On the whole, I agree with the "author" (throw down the minuses), and Navalnovskie ignoramuses confirm this. I only disagree that he strictly tied the "thinking person" to age. Even here on the site there is a large number of quite adult men, whose thinking process is replaced by a set of stamps and slogans. Unfortunately, with age, insanity comes instead of wisdom to many.
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 27 July 2020 10: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: bar
        I only disagree that he strictly tied the "thinking person" to age.
        Strictly (every young man) he did not tie, it seems, and statistically, young people are more characterized by courage than the inclination to analyze complex systems, which is politic. Caution comes with age. Courage in the army is in its place, under the supervision of the fathers-commanders. Courage + incompetence in politics is a nuclear mixture quite suitable to blow up a country from the inside using the technology of "color revolutions". Both the political and educational systems need to be changed.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 July 2020 20: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: sniperino
          Both the political and educational systems need to be changed.

          I completely agree with you here. During the Second World War, Kozhedub, Alelyukhin, Amet-Khan Sultan, my father went through three wars from the Finnish to the Japanese, and at the end of the war they were only 25 years old. Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya died at the age of 18, Alexander Matrosov died at the age of 19 - just children. The Soviet country brought them up like that.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 28 July 2020 15: 01 New
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            quite children. The Soviet country brought them up like this
            Not really. It is not in vain that young people are singled out into a special social group. Like sailors, children cannot consciously take mortal risk or certain death for the common good. In my opinion, these are young warriors-heroes, defenders of their country. Denis Davydov in 1812 was 28 years old and the heroes of the Patriotic War were less than the general's rank instead of the year of birth "?" have; only Colonel Figner (born 1987 - 25 years old) and staff captain Nadezhda Durova (29 years old); A. Nevsky was 19 years old at the Battle of the Neva, and 21 at the Battle of the Ice, and after 30 he took up politics, although he was a prince. Imagine that the USSR in the 30s - 40s would be headed by Trotsky, not Stalin: on whose side our soldiers could be? There are also brave guys among the invaders, but the language does not dare to call them heroes. There is nothing to do in politics under 30, nmv.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 28 July 2020 15: 44 New
              0
              Quote: sniperino
              Colonel Figner (born 1987)
              Of course, 1787.
            2. mister-red
              mister-red 28 July 2020 22: 28 New
              0
              Quote: sniperino
              Nevsky was 19 years old at the Battle of the Neva, and 21 at the Battle of the Ice.

              It's not worth going so far, in those days a man at the age of 19 was already an adult, a battle-hardened person who lived almost half of the life allotted to him. In our opinion it is about 35-40 years old.
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 29 July 2020 08: 09 New
                0
                Quote: mister-red
                It's not worth going so far, in those days a man at the age of 19 was already an adult, a battle-hardened person
                Worth it. First, the person has not changed morphologically. Secondly, psychology is a profitable business. Kurdish, Afghan and other youths are no less battle-hardened, but it would be better for them not to get involved in politics: they are quite children there. They are held back from this only by the strong power of the elders. In cities and countries where it is weakened, color revolutions take place. The shift in the age at which a young person acquires the right to political expression towards an increase, in theory, should lead to an increase in gerontocracy in politics and an increase in the political stability of society. A cheap and effective remedy against Maidans.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 July 2020 20: 36 New
        0
        Quote: bar
        In general, I agree with the "author" (throw down the minuses), and the Navalnovskie ignoramuses confirm this.

        It is difficult to disagree with you, but only among the bulk there are no less people over 25 years old. And by the way, there are also quite a few of them sitting here.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 27 July 2020 06: 32 New
    -2
    Quote: Grim Skeptic
    Leontiev simply expressed his opinion and nothing more.

    I think that with a good salary from PJSC Rosneft, he really has the opportunity not to look back at different party groups and other people's opinions. And besides, in fact, he, most likely, understands that the idea he proposed is bad, it will not work in reality. But as a journalist, he used the grotesque to stir public opinion. Much has already been said about the problems in the ideological content of the educational process, but things are still there ... But all the color revolutions, since the removal of Charles de Gaulle, occurred with the initiation of student unrest and riots. This is actually the most active and not very "wise" part of the population in any country. Therefore, if during the school period it is not pumped up knowledge on ideological disciplines with the ideological vector necessary for the state, then by the age of 20-25 we will get a kind of human mass capable of pouring in for an "interesting" idea introduced from outside. Leontyev is simply trying to warm up the degree of discussion to such a state in order to attract the attention of those who do not read newspapers and forums. Indeed, I believe there is a need to detonate some kind of information "bomb" in order to attract the attention of the highest level of government to the solution of the problem. Of course, if we want to have progressive progress without painful revolutionary transformations. IMHO
    1. besserbest
      besserbest 27 July 2020 09: 26 New
      -1
      "In the Russian Federation there are only magazines and zhurnalyushki" - read somewhere, and later became convinced of this myself. A. Abdulov (actor): "Give me a license to shoot JOURNALISTS!" We have an ideology of "Buy and Sell".
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 27 July 2020 16: 34 New
        0
        Quote: besserbest
        "In the Russian Federation there are only magazines and zhurnalyushki"

        I don't know such a country. My country is Russia, or the Russian Federation. You'd better say something on the merits of the topic. And one can find a lot of examples of the involvement of journalists in any country. And the actors for me are not very big authorities in terms of the state of society.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 27 July 2020 17: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: Hagen
          And the actors for me are not very big authorities in terms of the state of society.

          For venality, the actors of any journalist will be gagged in the belt ..
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 27 July 2020 06: 33 New
    -2
    in fact, 35 was almost always. any youth state programs were up to 35 years old in the last decade.
  • Errr
    Errr 27 July 2020 06: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: Grim Skeptic
    And the term "youth" has recently been increased from 30 to 35, probably due to the new pension legislation.
    "I'm not hinting at anything, I'm just singing a song" [don't kick me]. laughing
    Just a little bit of information on the topic:
    The World Health Organization has developed a new age classification: from 25 to 44 years old - young age, 44 - 60 years - average age, 60 - 75 years - old age, 75 - 90 years - old age, after 90 - long-livers.
    Up to 25 years of age are now, according to WHO, not even young people, but young people altogether. smile
    Only now people live in Russia less than in "developed" countries ... what
    It is difficult to disagree with Leontiev on this issue because the fruits of the "advanced" Euro-American pedagogy (the child is always right because he is innocent) dealt a colossal blow from the inside to the entire Russian society. Infantilism reigns supreme, and the lack of responsibility for a decision is fundamentally corrupting. Strange as it may sound, but all of the above applies to very age categories of the population. The most correct solution to this issue would be to deprive all irresponsible [not bearing real responsibility for the proposed solution] talkers from the right to vote without dividing into young and old.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 27 July 2020 08: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Herrr
      the fruits of the "advanced" Euro-American pedagogy (a child is always right because he is innocent) dealt a colossal blow from within to the entire Russian society. Infantilism reigns supreme, and the lack of responsibility for a decision is fundamentally corrupting.

      It is necessary to whip, to whip !!!! As long as it lies across the bench, and as it lies along, then FSE ... lol
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 27 July 2020 08: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: Herrr
      The most correct solution to this issue would be to deprive all irresponsible [not bearing real responsibility for the proposed solution]


      what does it mean to be responsible? if a bad President is all flogged with rods who was for him? that is, at least you propose to remove the secret of voting?
      Or will we develop criteria for those who have the right to vote? somewhere in ancient Rome this already happened - citizens and non-citizens .. though they later abandoned it in the end .. and something else in the world except the Tribals since the ancient world has not happened ..
      Something you my friend went to the wrong steppe .. Your proposal is * a colossal blow from the inside to the entire Russian society *
  • Cristall
    Cristall 27 July 2020 08: 38 New
    -3
    Quote: Grim Skeptic
    get new citizens from 18

    biologically even earlier
    here only to have a wife and even then it is also possible earlier.
  • Dante Alighieri
    Dante Alighieri 27 July 2020 10: 02 New
    +2
    The author took and threw mud at an independently thinking person!

    I am constantly justifying the need to deprive everyone over 70 of the right to vote, but for some reason when representatives of "that generation" hear something like that they call me a fool and provocateurs. Who are you from?
  • SOVIET UNION 2
    SOVIET UNION 2 27 July 2020 13: 20 New
    0
    [quote And the concept of "youth" was recently increased from 30 to 35, probably in connection with the new pension legislation.] [/ quote] And it's not in vain! You look and experience of 40 years will start counting from 35! Then the concept of youth will be raised to 50 years old and the length of service for retirement will be raised to 50! wassat Here the life expectancy will then burst up! We will live for 300 years! Those who disagree with this will die earlier! laughing
  • iouris
    iouris 27 July 2020 15: 55 New
    -1
    You contradict yourself: "on the one hand - on the other hand."
    Citizens bear military service and other duties, such as the production of soldiers. This has nothing to do with their ability to make responsible decisions. This ability must be confirmed. The question is: how? This is problem. But there is nothing wrong with Leont'ev's proposal: all the same, young people will turn into "gerontocracy", and the reverse process is impossible.
    From the fact that a part of citizens (probably about 90..95%) is not capable of making responsible decisions, it follows that it is useful to limit their electoral opportunities.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 27 July 2020 15: 59 New
      0
      Quote: iouris
      You contradict yourself: "on the one hand - on the other hand."
      Citizens bear military service and other duties, such as the production of soldiers. This has nothing to do with their ability to make responsible decisions. This ability must be confirmed. The question is: how? This is problem. But there is nothing wrong with Leont'ev's proposal: all the same, young people will turn into "gerontocracy", and the reverse process is impossible.
      From the fact that a part of citizens (probably about 90..95%) is not capable of making responsible decisions, it follows that it is useful to limit their electoral opportunities.

      Nothing terrible. But why ... And who will determine who to restrict? And who will determine the defining ones?
      Ps. My parents called me in shock, your protesters are dispersed, water cannons, everything is gone. You know what I told them. This is Israel and we are used to it ...
      1. iouris
        iouris 27 July 2020 19: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Shahno
        who will determine who to restrict?

        There is nothing complicated, historical examples: property, age, gender qualifications. But in China - some kind of "social rating".
  • parusnik
    parusnik 27 July 2020 06: 19 New
    12
    Leontiev expressed an opinion that wanders at the top. And so the age limit is growing: retirement, presidential candidates .. laughing It's time to end with democracy, spoiled, you know ... laughing
    1. Pardus
      Pardus 27 July 2020 15: 22 New
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      Quote: parusnik
      It's time to end democracy

      I will clarify: It's time to end with bourgeois democracy and go over to people's democracy yes
  • The popuas
    The popuas 27 July 2020 06: 22 New
    +4
    I would not forbid young people to vote, but pensioners! Because they have already lived, if the pension is small, it means that they voted so in their youth!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 27 July 2020 08: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: Popuas
      not young people were forbidden to vote, but pensioners

      What are you, who will forbid them, this is Putin's main electorate!
      1. Gunter prereen
        Gunter prereen 27 July 2020 09: 46 New
        -8
        I'm 40 and I'm for Putin. So, what is next. This is bad? Or do I not understand in life? Protestants like you can't see beyond their noses. I don't need a repetition of the 90s. And even more so the areal shouters in power.
        PS On the VO has become a bit too much liberal rag-tag!
        1. Revival
          Revival 27 July 2020 15: 07 New
          +3
          So what do you think will be Putin, there is the end of Russia, that is, the country has no prospects? I can imagine what anxiety you live in ...
          1. Gunter prereen
            Gunter prereen 27 July 2020 20: 05 New
            -1
            I live and work, and do not talk about another way and other nonsense. And yes, at the moment it is. And this is of course a problem. But I hope he will solve it too.
    2. Revival
      Revival 27 July 2020 09: 22 New
      +2
      Interesting thought in my personal opinion:
      We look at the fruits of voting "with our hearts" and really ...
      Here at least there is a healthy grain, here they say your choice, here are its consequences, all thanks are not necessary
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 27 July 2020 06: 33 New
    15
    You can throw stones at Mr. Leont'ev as much as you like and they will all be on target. But there will be no sense in it. Our young people are dull and dull. Do not believe me - listen to "Besogon". There with examples: "Why did Pushkin kill Lermontov in a duel with AK-47?" And young people with rapture in their voice answer such questions. And questions of young people at all kinds of demonstrations. The most popular - why did you leave? The answer is discouraging, I am for "Freedom!" What freedom, what freedom from what, why freedom - silence. Most likely freedom from work, housing, food and other human benefits. We experienced it in the early 90s, but they haven't yet. The author even made it to the army and the defense ministry. Not brought up! Is it possible to educate an academician in a year? If a young man served a number at school for 10 years, then in a year he cannot be taught literacy and sciences. At best, run, at least somehow, and shoot, although somehow. Generation "Z" has grown up from the word zero - zero without a stick and this is a fact. They have not seen anything in their lives except a cell phone! And don't talk about it, but you need to shout at every corner! I agree that Leontyev's statement is not very successful, but it is imperative to raise this issue. And it’s very good if there’s a scandal. I think that's what it is designed for!
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 27 July 2020 09: 03 New
      0
      and if you look differently? Why 10-12 years ago no one came out for "freedom"? even then young people were not brought up by the Soviet school. maybe something has just changed in the country since that time, so much so that they want to remove young people from voting, which did not interfere before?
      1. Region68
        Region68 27 July 2020 10: 53 New
        +4
        The answer was on Twitter from one guy ..
        * When Putin came to power I was 20 ..
        When he leaves I may be 56 * ..
        That is, he will live his whole life practically under Putin ... not seeing anything else

        People need change .. There's no getting around it ..
      2. Pardus
        Pardus 27 July 2020 15: 27 New
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        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        Why 10-12 years ago no one came out for "freedom"?

        How did it not come out? Think of 2010, 2011. Then the majority of the protest movement were young people.
    2. dauria
      dauria 27 July 2020 13: 35 New
      0
      And it’s very good if there’s a scandal. I think that's what it is designed for!


      In my opinion, everything is simpler. Leontyev needs a scandal. And that's all. He is nobody without scandals. Replaced with a girl with long legs Note - his "scandals" are not dangerous, do not cross the line, but give him a live and earn money. "Ah, young people" - yes, he doesn't care. And the "problems with voting" the authorities solve in other ways. A serious approach to "forming an opinion" without such nonsense. Elections with an unpredictable result will simply not be allowed. And Leontyev even plays into the hands. You can always say "Yes, you were stunned, this should not happen, young people are personalities and our future"
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 27 July 2020 06: 35 New
    +9
    "However" is not analytics. Those who used to laugh on television suddenly started thinking seriously about the youth. I will not save you from their advice. Even if the guy (girl) finishes the full course of the university, they will be 24 years old. And then you have to look for a job. Here's the catch: it's good if a parent pulls his child into life in his arms, and if not. Reputable companies, where Mikhail is the press secretary, also thought about this, or rather, they thought about the election results, and not about the young people themselves.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 27 July 2020 06: 43 New
    +2
    Perhaps it's worth starting with the fact that Mr. Leontyev actually spat on the school system.
    All the people spit on such a system and demand changes in the stop. request Where is the crime.
    Not only do 100% of young people have a school behind them, but also a considerable share of citizens have higher education and experience in military service. Could state structures fail to form a critical civic position of a young man?
    What a school, behind-the-ear ... it’s not citizens who graduate from the school, but consumers.
    they have a heightened sense of justice and have little to lose. Having passed this age, many young people start a family, a permanent job, have children and this makes them conformists to a certain extent.
    Family, is that bad? They have no responsibility for their actions. The state does not care, but if there were a family, they thought about the consequences of their actions.
    there are about 12 million people with the "disease of youth" in Russia!
    And, this has to do with it? fool Leontiev suggests adding awareness and responsibility to the elections. There will be voters, another 10 million. repeat
    It is logical to assume that ban to vote under 25 is somehow related to life expectancy in the country.
    negative How. Ban fool - limitation! or so prettier?
    From this moment on, not a single party will be interested in the problems of this age category of the country's residents:
    fool Only to parties that are not interested in the future of the country and who are fighting for votes and power.
    No, let's give the right to vote from grade 5 !!! Zhirinovsky, Navalny, Platoshkin, Prilepin will find their voices very useful. Or from kindergarten, who will defend their rights with us? fool
    Voter - age 25, served in the army, family, working = a stable state that will protect us, feed and warm us. hi
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 27 July 2020 09: 22 New
      +3
      I will reverse your logic - according to which, it turns out, people under 25 are citizens unworthy to vote ..
      and let's ban retirees from 65 to vote? not well, what? the already active "useful" period of life for the benefit of the country has passed, why should he decide how the country will continue to live? Or, on the contrary, let's only allow pensioners to vote, this category is almost 100 percent for stability?
      Do you understand in what vein your position sounds? there are citizens (true Aryans) for the government and non-citizens - as in the Tribalties - Russians without the right to vote, since they can start downloading the right ..
      So, in general, it's already easier to remove the elections and not bother, why are they, if the goal is to have "stability"
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 27 July 2020 09: 25 New
        -1
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        and let's ban retirees from 65 to vote? not well, what? already active "useful"

        And let's. hi I'm 65, and? Will I run to a protest rally? fool
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 27 July 2020 09: 31 New
          +1
          Why do you directly declare that you are better than young people? Because she doesn't do what you want? although the whole history of mankind has been so, and the country and life are driven by young people .. and only some of the pensioners, the rest are "not the same youth today" .. by the way, you are sure that among pensioners there is a much higher percentage of those who think, and not " zombie box "than among young people? life experience and mind are different things ..
    2. Revival
      Revival 27 July 2020 09: 27 New
      +2
      And if not family or did not serve?
      And from 50 not to admit to the elections?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 27 July 2020 09: 38 New
        -3
        Quote: Revival
        And if not family or did not serve?
        And from 50 not to admit to the elections?

        What should they do there? They have nothing to lose, nothing to defend, nothing to love. They have no concern for the welfare of the people and the stability of the state.
        Let them not be distracted, but deal with the arrangement of their personal life. hi
        1. Revival
          Revival 27 July 2020 09: 41 New
          +3
          Do you live among people?
          And why do you care about your parents, relatives?
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 27 July 2020 09: 59 New
            -1
            Quote: Revival
            Do you live among people?
            And why do you care about your parents, relatives?

            Why do you think they will be unhappy? belay People have a lot of rights, but they are in no hurry to use them and nothing, they live happily.
            Buy a car, a villa, go to Moscow, to France. Go to study, get married. But you never know ...
  • Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 27 July 2020 06: 49 New
    +6
    Lord, what kind of elections and electoral system! Vote at least from the age of three at least from thirty-three, the power will still be the one who is needed and gerontocracy is not far off. Another five years and forever chained to the gallery will be no better than the "Kremlin elders" of the 80s, if now he began to give pearls about the middle class and "those who have no analogs" to the world regularly.
  • lelik613
    lelik613 27 July 2020 06: 56 New
    +1
    Here is the answer: why were the exploiters deprived of influence on the elections?
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 27 July 2020 06: 57 New
    +9
    Mr. Leontyev actually spat on the school system.

    Here, Mr. Leontiev is absolutely right. For 30 years they have been drumming into us that the best education system in the West is from the bourgeoisie and that it is imperative to adopt it, making public education a service. As a result, the institutes come to institutes trained in guessing and forgetting everything after passing the exam, according to the results of studying history, Kolya from Urengoy appears and in increasing numbers ... Therefore, it remains only to spit on what we ourselves produce throughout all this the time from which they abandoned the Russian school and Soviet schooling.
    1. Revival
      Revival 27 July 2020 09: 29 New
      +2
      In my personal opinion, education has nothing to do with his speech.
      The idea is simpler, there are many dissatisfied among young people, you need to deprive your voice, that's it ...
      When this is not enough, the masks will be thrown off and it will be directly forbidden to vote for those who vote "incorrectly"
    2. your1970
      your1970 27 July 2020 16: 01 New
      -1
      Quote: The Truth
      Soviet school education.

      Which led to the collapse of the USSR ... No ???
      1. brat07
        brat07 27 July 2020 20: 44 New
        -1
        Quote: your1970
        Quote: The Truth
        Soviet school education.

        Which led to the collapse of the USSR ... No ???

        Soviet education led to the collapse of the USSR ??? !!! You have an "iron logic". "Iron" does not exist!

        And you, yourself, do not have a Soviet education ??
        My minus.
        1. your1970
          your1970 27 July 2020 21: 58 New
          0
          Was there at least one with a Bologna education among the Soviet Union's disintegrants and among the protesters with slogans "Down with the CPSU !!! With Harvard / Yale, maybe it was - about 5 CIA officers, no more ...
          And all the rest (99,999999999999%) - with him, with his native Soviet education, the Union was destroyed
          1. brat07
            brat07 28 July 2020 02: 39 New
            0
            Quote: your1970
            Was there at least one with a Bologna education among the Soviet Union's disintegrants and among the protesters with slogans "Down with the CPSU !!! With Harvard / Yale, maybe it was - about 5 CIA officers, no more ...
            And all the rest (99,999999999999%) - with him, with his native Soviet education, the Union was destroyed

            Sorry, but what you are setting out is:
            Casuistry - it means resourcefulness, cunning in proving dubious statements. Ability to substantiate false statements using formal reasoning.

            By the way, I have an education that I received in the USSR. I have never voted for Yeltsin, and in a referendum I voted for the preservation of the USSR. But according to your
            logic
            I am also one of
            disintegrators of the USSR
            ?
            Who are you then?
            Sorry for my harshness!
            1. your1970
              your1970 28 July 2020 10: 52 New
              0
              By normal logic, they are to blame ALL.... Polls.... And even those who
              Quote: brat07
              never voted for Yeltsin and voted in a referendum to preserve the USSR.
              ... and I - by itself ...
              All 16 million communists, 2-3 million Komsomol members, 3 million armies, 1 million KGB + militia in general violated their duties (including service!!!!!!) to defend the USSR !!!
              And it’s very convenient - "I’m not the boss, nothing depends on me, let someone there solve the issues, I’ll sit here in my hut on the edge ..."

              IF in Moscow, at least a million - two or 50 million - in the country came out in defense of the USSR ...
              If the head of the guard, defending the USSR, would have led this trinity into the courtyard in Belovezhskaya Pushcha and commanded "Fire at the enemies of Soviet power!"
              If......
              There are a lot of options, but all preferred to sit on the priest exactly
  • demo
    demo 27 July 2020 07: 02 New
    +5
    “We will face the need to deprive young people of voting rights, probably in the near future. Because otherwise we will lose the country. It's true. Because these people do not know anything, this is almost Ukraine, monstrous ... Because young people are a painful condition that goes away with age ”.

    I will not examine the question - whether this statement is true, due to the fact that I am not "the same youth."
    But I am most worried and interested in something else.
    How journalists in Russia, getting "on fat pastures" transform their conscience (initially very flexible) to a change in status.
    But even here there may be such an explanation - there is a selection of precisely those journalists who are ready to cave in exactly to those who "call the tune" today.
    Those. all a little bit clever journalists are given a clear social message - you can write and say whatever you want, but we will pay only for certain content.
    Kiselev, Soloviev, Leontiev and the like are people with a professional disease - astigmatism of conscience.
    1. Revival
      Revival 27 July 2020 09: 40 New
      0
      One amendment, it has become not always possible to write and talk about what you want.
      But, of course, they will not officially take it for this, although there is already an example when they took it for what was written
  • Courier
    Courier 27 July 2020 07: 41 New
    +1
    Leontyev simply voiced the opinion of citizens of the Soviet era. Those who say about Navalny's "schoolchildren" and young liberals who have forgotten history.

    Therefore, I see no reason to condemn Leontyev. On the contrary, I consider it legitimate, the introduction of electoral rights exclusively for Leontyev and similar members of state corporations.
    As they say, the Party, it knows better, we are small and young people, we do not understand politics.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 27 July 2020 07: 57 New
    -6
    The right to vote on issues that determine how we live should belong to people who have at least two dependent children. Only a mature citizen is able to more or less adequately assess what is happening and determine the future of his children.

    Citizens residing permanently in Russia for less than 10 years should not have the right to vote.

    Citizens residing abroad, incl. and on duty. Living culture influences decision making. Polling stations abroad should be eliminated.
    1. demo
      demo 27 July 2020 09: 54 New
      +5
      You made the list of those who should be disenfranchised.
      It must be entered into:
      - sailors, dangling in the sea for six months;
      - long-range aviation pilots off the American or other shores;
      - cosmonauts, do not know why flying in space;
      -submariners hiding in the enemy environment.

      You can continue.
      Truckers, cut off from home / small homeland and entering into an erotic relationship with "Platon" and its owners. Miners seeking a meeting with the Devil.
      And the list of those who should not be allowed to the ballot boxes can be extended. hi
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 27 July 2020 10: 26 New
        -7
        Quote: demo
        You made a list of those who should be disenfranchised

        I understand that one has only to start and the process will go. But!

        If those who live one day, and after them even a flood, I do not want a flood.
        If those who live for themselves, and even there the grass does not grow, I want to see a green lawn in front of the house and carefree children playing on it.

        The family is the original unit of society. It is she who must decide how they, and as a consequence, the whole society to live.

        ps
        Do you trust your young children to manage the family budget?
        1. demo
          demo 27 July 2020 10: 39 New
          +3
          I do not know your age, but I think that you are not small.
          But the obvious escapes your attention.
          Let's take a simple example.
          Young family.
          Have signed. They live for a year or two.
          They plow to their apartment.
          Earned.
          Furnished.
          But from this moment they cannot have children.
          And so for five years in a row.
          All the relatives are already walking gloomy.
          Are examined, treated.
          And nothing has changed.

          How to deal with them?
          Will we protect them from voting too?
          Or will we establish commissions to get acquainted with the background?

          By the way.
          I described the incident with my niece.
          Thank God to give birth in a couple of months.
          And so there were no children for eight years.

          Do not hurry. Think about it. Maybe your "dashing cavalry attacks" may not be carried out.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 27 July 2020 12: 00 New
            -2
            I do not argue. It is difficult for young families. In addition to family politics, the state policy is determined by young people, who are especially susceptible to the influence of the media, influence from outside.

            A family man, and even raising two or more children, will always think about the future of the society in which he wants his children to live. Everyone wishes his child happiness.

            I am sorry that the amendments to the Constitution did not include the limitation of the working day at 8 o'clock, for which our ancestors fought at 17, and a 40-hour week with two days off ... Once, Stalin wanted to establish a 5-6 hour working day , so that parents would have more time to spend with their children, to educate them. Today, although we are forced to work the sutra until the evening, the purchasing power of our wages has practically remained at the same level, both under developed socialism and under current capitalism. Under tsarism, one peasant managed to feed seven of them in the shops, but now two people working with one can hardly cope ...

            ps
            Difficulties with pregnancy can be different. Therefore, I omit this question. It's good that everything is over. I am 65 years old.
            1. Revival
              Revival 27 July 2020 15: 15 New
              0
              "A family man, and even raising two or more children, will always think about the future of the society in which he wants his children to live. Everyone wishes his child happiness."

              You don't have to mask your thought.
              Your thought is simple, he simply will not dare to rock the boat no matter what they do with him (pension reform, etc.), since children, etc.
              Convenient "stable voter". The dream is simple
        2. Arthur 85
          Arthur 85 27 July 2020 22: 31 New
          0
          Well, you got excited. And Leontiev with 25 years - too. But seriously: there should be electoral qualifications. And cruel. As in computer games. You are 18 years old, get 100 karma. Served? + 50%. Graduated from vocational school, technical school, university? + 50; 70; 100% For each year of work experience, karma is multiplied, say, by 1,05. For every year of idleness, karma falls. Bought a million worth of property? +50 Took a loan? -50 until you pay. They don't take loans from a big mind. Pay a lot of taxes - get a plus. Hiding from taxes? Get a minus ... And only the last factor in the equation should enter the children, otherwise all sorts of "Floyds" and the like marginalized you will choose a rapper 20 years old for president.
    2. Revival
      Revival 27 July 2020 10: 00 New
      +3
      As far as I understand, you will also send only those with 2 children and above to the war?
      And that will look like something duplicitous, you owe us everything, and we will decide how you live, whether you live in general and who you are in general. Class!
      Cherry, send a person to dangerous service abroad and after him emphasize that he has no trust and he is unreliable by default, well ...
      Do you at least think it over on more than one side before you write
      1. Dante Alighieri
        Dante Alighieri 27 July 2020 10: 38 New
        +3
        The right to vote on issues that determine how we live should belong to people who have at least two dependent children.

        Here the other day another report from the morning on TV saw how it is difficult for a mother of 4 children to live with many children and no one helps her. For reference: she herself was a pupil of a boarding school and gave birth to her first child at 18. So you propose to give the right to decide how to live for me to a 28-year-old guy with 2 higher educations who did not start a family for one simple reason: I am on friendly terms with my head and understand that children this is a huge responsibility that requires a certain material wealth, which, even with such initially higher starting positions, is very, very difficult to provide, not to mention the fact that job search in today's realities is still a quest.
        1. Revival
          Revival 27 July 2020 10: 50 New
          +4
          Your idea is clear, you propose to divide into garbage and conscious citizens?
          So you can go far, so look and we will reach the "measurements" with a ruler, there were already such "worthy"
          1. Dante Alighieri
            Dante Alighieri 27 July 2020 11: 08 New
            +2
            Your idea is clear, you propose to divide into garbage and conscious citizens?
            So you can go far, so look and we will reach the "measurements" with a ruler, there were already such "worthy"

            You said it, not me. It's time to remember a good saying: everyone thinks of others to the extent of their own depravity. I just demonstrated to the commentator, who proposed introducing a qualification, based on the number of dependent minor children, that the presence of these is not at all an indicator of the maturity of consciousness. No more and no less.
            1. Revival
              Revival 27 July 2020 15: 17 New
              +1
              Understood, accepted.
              I saw only one side of the meaning of the comment.
              Your appponent tries not to answer me, because as a result, the discussion constantly flies by, since the logic in his comments is so "weak" that during the discussion every time it becomes obvious its absence
        2. Pardus
          Pardus 27 July 2020 15: 34 New
          12
          Quote: Dante
          I am a 28 year old guy with 2 higher educations who did not start a family

          My condolences
          1. Dante Alighieri
            Dante Alighieri 27 July 2020 16: 41 New
            +1
            My condolences

            Oh, okay, you bury me, it may still be good, but it's not certain
    3. dSK
      dSK 28 July 2020 00: 53 New
      0
      Sale of "golden passports": coronavirus spurred Russians' interest in foreign citizenship
      A comparable growth in demand was recorded at UFG WM. This is the second wave of Russian demand for a foreign passport or residence permit (residence permit), the first one was recorded after 2014, says Alexey Ilyukhin, senior partner of the multi-family office of ITS Wealth.
      - Must not be eligible to vote
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 27 July 2020 08: 12 New
    0
    It seems that the old fart's cuckoo has moved out. The case when it is better to be silent than
    speak
    1. Pardus
      Pardus 27 July 2020 15: 36 New
      12
      Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
      The case when it is better to be silent than
      speak

      But for some reason this is not in the house for him ... Probably he, Leontiev, considers himself smart, intelligent yes
  • betta
    betta 27 July 2020 08: 16 New
    -4
    That's right, a successful person should have the right to vote: family, children, financial wealth. Years like this from 30 to 70. Everyone else still does not know life. And young people to hang noodles, no problem, and a heightened sense of justice will depend on these noodles.
    1. Revival
      Revival 27 July 2020 10: 52 New
      +3
      Financial wealth !?
      Are you offering the right to vote to give 20 percent of the population?
      Correct qualification, proven system, right?
      It seems like this has already happened before and not once
      1. betta
        betta 27 July 2020 12: 13 New
        0
        Exactly! The decisions must be made by the CONSISTENT people. Experienced, literate, who have proven with their lives that they are worth a lot. Youngsters, sick (on the head), who do not know how to get along in the family, gay and other unfinished decisions should not be made!
        1. Revival
          Revival 27 July 2020 13: 04 New
          +1
          Until recently, Arashukov was extremely wealthy, did he vote well and correctly?
        2. Revival
          Revival 27 July 2020 13: 05 New
          +1
          Those who do not know how to do something in the family is strong, so very few people can vote
          1. betta
            betta 27 July 2020 13: 40 New
            0
            And it is right! Specialists and worthy people must make decisions in all spheres of life. Only these are worthy and must answer in full, without pity.
            1. Revival
              Revival 27 July 2020 13: 51 New
              +2
              Yeah, only here responsibility is not assumed with us at the same time, they passed, they push the dream of "master and servant" from "Russia which they lost"
              1. betta
                betta 27 July 2020 15: 27 New
                0
                I agree. It's just that not the whole system is reflected in my statement, so it turned out to be clumsy.
  • exo
    exo 27 July 2020 08: 21 New
    +2
    Delirium. Young people are able to take what they see fit.
    Forbid her to speak her mind - play with fire
    1. Kart
      Kart 27 July 2020 08: 49 New
      +3
      And she has enough brains to dispose of all this?
      Probably not. And therefore, it will still be led by adult uncles. Not ours.
      1. unaha
        unaha 27 July 2020 09: 34 New
        +1
        "Only not ours" - i.e. "Ours" are deliberately incapable of leading, or they simply have nothing to offer, and few people are using the proposed propaganda noodles?
        1. your1970
          your1970 27 July 2020 16: 08 New
          0
          Quote: unaha
          "Only not ours" - i.e. "Ours" are deliberately incapable of leading, or they simply have nothing to offer, and few people are using the proposed propaganda noodles?

          There was such a country - the USSR ...
          The USSR did not become exactly according to your formula
  • alone
    alone 27 July 2020 08: 27 New
    +8
    I think that very soon we will all listen and read the pearls, before which Leontiev's thoughts will turn out to be an innocent joke.
    PS Youth is considered the locomotive of the development progress of any country and people. Without this, any country and nation will experience degradation. To deprive it of its voice means to deprive the country of its future.
    1. bar
      bar 27 July 2020 09: 05 New
      +1
      Youth is considered the locomotive of the development progress of any country and people.

      But the brain of this "driving force" and cannon fodder are always experienced "senior comrades".
      1. alone
        alone 27 July 2020 09: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: bar
        But the brain of this "driving force" and cannon fodder are always experienced "senior comrades".

        Well, how can we do without it. The main thing is that the "brain" is sane.
        1. bar
          bar 27 July 2020 09: 08 New
          0
          And this is how lucky.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 27 July 2020 08: 42 New
    0
    only one conclusion
    There are no ways to influence this group of citizens.
    If there are no ways to influence, then it is impossible to control.
    It means it is easier to deprive them of the opportunity to influence politics.
    This means that the state has completely lost the battle for fragile minds, and does not even want to admit it and correct it.
    To drag and not to let go. A primordially traditional method of solving a problem. Perhaps it will resolve itself.
    And it's expensive to fight and you have to think.
    Deny, do not allow, it's ours.
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 27 July 2020 08: 42 New
    +2
    Young people from 16 to 25 years old are easily managed with the help of social networks. Almost all social networks (mordbooks, tweeter, tiktok, YouTube) are ruled from behind the hill by the worst partners. Here is the answer.
    1. Revival
      Revival 27 July 2020 10: 56 New
      +3
      And the "youth" from 45 to 100 are easily controlled by the TV (nightingale, kiselev), they, too, are deprived of the right to vote?
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 27 July 2020 17: 28 New
        0
        Well, why should you speak so negatively about people from this interval? I haven't watched TV for seven years, I don't even know what is shown there. wink
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 27 July 2020 19: 22 New
          +2
          What are the extremes? I also spend a lot of time at the computer, and watch TV. Sometimes I do it at the same time, or I watch TV programs on my computer. Smart TV is generally at the intersection of television and the Internet. Now there are a lot of educational TV channels, their level is much higher than the level of any YouTube bloggers. And the movie is better to watch on the big TV screen. I sometimes listen to the radio, either through a computer or cable TV.)
      2. ZAV69
        ZAV69 27 July 2020 18: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Revival
        And the "youth" from 45 to 100 are easily controlled by the TV (nightingale, kiselev), they, too, are deprived of the right to vote?

        Is it that easy to operate? I'm now 50 and I don't watch TV. And there are a lot of people who get information from the network. And after 30 years, the people are full of skepticism, they try to double-check any information from several sources, they blindly trust neither the Internet nor TV.
        90% of young people hang out in social networks. Moreover, youthful maximalism is not an empty phrase. And social networks are ruled by mounds... There were already pretenders when the shkolota, at the call of the bulk, went to the actions, they also promised to sue the state for ten euros for imprisonment in the monkey house.
        So I perfectly understand Leontyev. Although I personally do not like this measure. I personally like the method of R. Harline from the Star Infantry better: served in the army - you have the right to vote, but this is not applicable here.
  • Kart
    Kart 27 July 2020 08: 49 New
    +4
    Young people under the age of 25, who, as we have already found out, are not needed by anyone, will cease to be interested in state affairs, politics and become obsessed with their mercantile problems.

    because of her age, she is in her own mercantile problems.
  • Clueless
    Clueless 27 July 2020 08: 58 New
    +2
    You can kill people from 18, but you can't vote. This person's logic is very interesting.
    But God forbid they do this, the youth in the country will stand on their hind legs, and along with them their parents. Power will be swept away in one fell swoop. You need to think when you broadcast such thoughts out loud.
  • Clueless
    Clueless 27 July 2020 09: 02 New
    -1
    Quote: ZAV69
    Young people from 16 to 25 years old are easily managed with the help of social networks. Almost all social networks (mordbooks, tweeter, tiktok, YouTube) are ruled from behind the hill by the worst partners. Here is the answer.


    You have the logic of a narrow-minded person. For with the same success it can be controlled by us. There is only one toolkit - and who uses it effectively is another question.
    And about management - young people already perfectly see what is happening in the country. A monarch for life has appeared, a pension has been raised, they dream of closing the Internet like China, all around in politics, in business in managing places, the children of officials, etc.
    Maybe it's time to just take care of your country? And not write that young people are not patriotic ... considering that the kids of these officials and managers in general put a bolt on Russia for a long time, because they study over the hill, real estate over the hill, etc.
    1. ZAV69
      ZAV69 27 July 2020 18: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Bad
      You have the logic of a narrow-minded person. For with the same success it can be controlled by us.

      I did not suggest doing THIS. I just issued a version. After the beginning of the 90s, youth policy was covered with a copper basin, and according to the constitution, any ideology seems to be prohibited, and since there is no ideology, then there is no youth policy, there is no governance. The only attempt at control is the creation of the Nashi movement. The movement is discredited and collapsed.
      Quote: Bad
      There is only one toolkit - and who uses it effectively is another question.

      But we cannot use this toolkit. Because he is not under our control. How many cases were there when the same goblin was banned in the book. The same YouTube has a peculiar method of recommending videos. And we don't have our own services.
      Quote: Bad
      Life monarch

      Where did you get it from? I will even say more, this thought was unobtrusively suggested to you.
      Quote: Bad
      pension raised,

      Actually, this is the recommendation of the IMF. Moreover, repeated. And all over the world it has already been raised.
      Quote: Bad
      they dream of closing the Internet like China,

      This is unrealistic. Moreover, in China, whoever is impatient can easily bypass this cool firewall.
      Quote: Bad
      all around that in politics, that in business in managing places, the children of officials, etc.

      What is wrong all over the world?
  • Clueless
    Clueless 27 July 2020 09: 04 New
    -2
    Quote: demo
    Kiselev, Soloviev, Leontiev and the like are people with a professional disease - astigmatism of conscience.


    "Conscience is wealth, and we are poor people" - this expression is obvious about them. By the way, the paradox is that I think they firmly believe in it, because when from year to year you suck blood from the state budget by tens of millions, it is easy to believe that everything is fine in the country, just people around are unhappy :)
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 July 2020 11: 28 New
      +2
      It's just that it has already begun to be brought in, has detached from real life ...
    2. Campanella
      Campanella 27 July 2020 14: 35 New
      0
      I will tell you Venik, Plyushchev, Filgenhauer, Larina and other shobla, but on the other hand, they also do not shine with high human qualities.
      Both those and others breed the people in their interests, which are far from the people.
  • Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 27 July 2020 09: 27 New
    -2
    There is no rejection here. Let me remind you that the age of the so-called childhood (adolescence) was increased up to 25 years. Well, if children grow up by this age, then they should receive the right to vote at the age of 25. It is quite correct and logical.
    1. Revival
      Revival 27 July 2020 11: 00 New
      +1
      And who increased it?
      And if to 60 would have increased then from 60 to vote?
      Wow, what a great providence increased, so right away, and the laws of the universe moved
      1. Gunter prereen
        Gunter prereen 27 July 2020 20: 12 New
        0
        The answer of a true liberal. Slightly that we immediately expand the scope. And if then, and if this, etc. rubbish. And if they increase it to 60, then we'll have to decide.
        1. Revival
          Revival 28 July 2020 01: 13 New
          0
          That's right, let in a little more emptiness in the comments when there is nothing to say
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 27 July 2020 09: 29 New
    -3
    Another person has been infected by the Cynovirus.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 27 July 2020 09: 37 New
    +2
    Well, the fact that young people have powdered their heads with a "new historical view" is a fact. Historical shuffling and the replacement of the historical worldview with the everyday-superficial has led to the fact that young people believe everything that the so-called liberal-democratic get-together brings them, deriving their benefit from this.
    For sausage, wheelbarrows, ham and the opportunity to hang out abroad, she does not see the obvious things that bring the country down.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 27 July 2020 11: 39 New
      0
      I was 2000 years old in 20, I voted for Putin, 2004 - 24 years old and I voted for Putin ... but in 2012 I was not (32 years old), in 2018 I spoiled the ballot - 38 years ...
      Why don't you know? just for the GDP I voted ONLY up to 25 years .. maybe it's not age? but the fact that young people more categorically assess the actions of the authorities and want it to be better, but do not think - "no matter how worse it is, I will go to the hole" and therefore this is the most difficult electorate for a politician - just DIFFICULT to manipulate?
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 27 July 2020 14: 27 New
        +1
        Definitely how is it?
        I think you meant youthful maximalism, the desire to make life better and faster.
        Experience usually puts brains in place.
        The first time I voted for Yeltsin, and after that I was always against and never for Putin, since Yeltsin brought him by the hand.
        Yeltsin personally asked questions at the end of the eighties at the party activists, when he was the first secretary of the Moscow City Conservatory.
        Then, on the wave of changes and our political immaturity, I did not understand and did not see in him a populist who was trying to gain power. But then remembering all this, I clearly saw a populist tracing paper.
        Young people are very convenient material for using for political purposes, this is an axiom, and when they attach the historically ideological aspect, they get a crowd of adherents.
        And in this sense, Soviet propaganda is a kindergarten compared to the Jesuit Western machine.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 27 July 2020 09: 38 New
    -2
    Leontiev, - a rooster, with a golden feather of Russia.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 27 July 2020 09: 42 New
    0
    Quote: exo
    Forbid her to speak her mind - play with fire

    The right to vote is only one of the opportunities to express your opinion.Forbid - limit. recourse
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 27 July 2020 09: 45 New
    +5
    Eh. Well, Leontyev said ... Now all the trolls will happily rub their hands and let's write that, they say, this person is close and it means that the bloody gebnya started to remove a whole generation from the elections, which means that everything is bad and it's time to return Khodarkovsky ... actually did he say that? Well, stated the well-known fact that any youth is a very "peculiar" electorate? Well, who would argue. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, it was the youth who were the bearers of the revolutionary idea. Students, cultivated by the leftist professors, ran to meetings, threw bombs at policemen and went to the gallows in the name of bright ideas. And other young people - lumpen, gopniks, gladly went to dispossess the rich, kill and most importantly - rob those who are more successful in a particular life. Remember the Red Guards - they killed their teachers and teachers, then more - they began to consider themselves the masters of life until their army calmed down. The question is not about them, what is going on in the minds of young men, and so everyone understands: two mutually exclusive dilemmas 1. do not stand out from the crowd of peers. 2. to do everything so that you are noticed, appreciated, and if they give you more money, then it is generally enchanting. Those who are busy with business have no time to engage in nonsense and run to Bolotnaya Square. The authorities should not flirt with them, nor be interested in informals and watered fighters, should not flirt with children who are stupefied from spermotoxicosis and hormonally unstable. The authorities must deal harshly with those adult uncles who use young fools for their own, very selfish purposes. Here is Navalny, arranges his provocations with the involvement of shkoloty and feels fine - and nothing, does not sit. But he is a calibrated provocateur like Gapon. If we impose on the abundance of grant-eaters the universal infantilism of our city idiots, then indeed, there is a danger. But, it seems to me that it is precisely those like Leontyev who should be engaged in putting into the heads of generations of baristas, barbers and other wow ... no, thoughts about preserving the state. If from all the youth channels there is a theme: From Rashka it is necessary to bring down, etc., then this is a question for the professionalism of such "gurus". If you are tired, if you cannot, then get up and leave, let those who can do it. And sitting and thinking irritably about the fact that we have the wrong young people, it really sucks. In war, as in war. Go away Misha, it's time!
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 July 2020 11: 20 New
      +1
      And sitting and thinking irritably about the fact that we have the wrong young people, it really sucks.


      At all times there were such figures who did not like young people, an eternal conflict.
  • 1536
    1536 27 July 2020 09: 59 New
    +1
    In the comedy A.S. Griboyedov's "Woe from Wit" has the following dialogues:
    "F a musov (Moscow master)
    [...] Learning is the plague, learning is the reason,
    What is now, more than when,
    Insane divorced people, and affairs, and opinions.

    H l e st about v a (acclimatization)
    And you will really go crazy from these from some
    From boarding houses, schools, lyceums, as you mean them,
    Yes from LANCard peer learning.

    K n i g i n i
    No, in St. Petersburg Institute
    Pe-da-go-gic, so it seems to be called:
    There they practice splits and unbeliefs
    Professors !! - our relatives studied with them,
    And went out! even now to the pharmacy, as an apprentice.
    Runs from women, and even from me!
    Chinov doesn't want to know! He's a chemist, he's a nerd
    Prince Fyodor, my nephew.

    Sk alo z u b ("promising" officer)
    I will delight you: everyone's rumor,
    That there is a project about lyceums, schools, gymnasiums;
    They will only teach in our way: one, two;
    And the books will be kept so for big occasions.

    F a m u s o v
    Sergei Sergeich (Skalozub), no. If you stop evil:
    Take all the books and burn them.
  • Sether
    Sether 27 July 2020 10: 06 New
    0
    All we do is everything for our children and for their future, they live after us and deprive them of their rights to change their future is simply stupid and incomprehensible. If anyone is deprived of the right to vote, it is the pensioners who have worked for their lives on retirement, and if they do not like something about the youth, then it is your fault that it was necessary to educate in due time. And even in the USSR there was a law if a person retired, then he was forbidden to work in a leadership position as a simple worker, please, but not in a leadership position, and it would be nice if there was such a law now to disperse all the elders from power and thought in order to refresh the brain so that there would be no senile morality
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 27 July 2020 11: 01 New
      +2
      And when was it under the USSR it was forbidden to work in a leading position upon retirement?
      Politburo to help you ...
      1. Sether
        Sether 27 July 2020 11: 56 New
        -1
        Politburo yes, but no in other structures
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 27 July 2020 19: 28 New
          +1
          There was no such prohibition. The managers of the retirement age simply did not draw up a pension, they received a salary. And only after finally retiring, they began to receive a pension.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 27 July 2020 10: 19 New
    0
    Nobody wants to admit their mistakes, let alone defeat.
    If they "on \ W \ istiki" ran away in striping, it's completely ridiculous.
    The younger generation, very many, will generally be nobody's ...
    The majority of life itself will attach to the place, but restless, future activists, too, will remain a lot.
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 July 2020 11: 18 New
      +2
      But education needs to be improved, especially secondary ... Greetings! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 July 2020 13: 52 New
        +1
        Hi soldier
        Education alone is not enough. Dunduk with education is no better than the same one without it, he can speak, express thoughts worse, but this is not important. They are in the internet stamps and other things, they think that it will make them ... more attractive. Hype, likes, tick-tok ... what else do they want from ???
        1. cniza
          cniza 27 July 2020 14: 51 New
          +2
          There is such a problem, but it is necessary to involve young people as early as possible in the affairs of society, then responsibility will appear faster.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 27 July 2020 15: 39 New
            +2
            It is already involved, but not there.
            It is a big mistake, if not to say a crime, to give OUR youth to "education" to anyone, anyway.
            A state, a society that allows such a thing is not viable!
            1. cniza
              cniza 27 July 2020 15: 40 New
              +2
              Yes, and they call you on every corner ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 27 July 2020 16: 43 New
                +1
                If only, it would be possible not to confuse children around the corner. They climb into every house, computer, slot. It is more difficult to fence here.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 27 July 2020 18: 16 New
                  +2
                  So the corner is conditional, one might say from each iron, washed ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 27 July 2020 18: 47 New
                    +1
                    Rinse and fill that / where it is not very thick and tight.
                    Gospodar the owners of everything and everyone, raised a whole generation of hype like tik tok and koleiurengoy! If not for those who have preserved common sense and kept the Soviet temper, it would have been much worse !!! we have brought up at least part of the youth in their right mind! but when everything ends, but to conduct educational work instead of the state, the entire society, the prospect is not joyful.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 27 July 2020 10: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Region68
    It would suit me that my country would stop sliding into fascism, the mouthpiece of which is all these Leontievs, Solovievs and others

    Can you give examples of sliding into fascism?
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 27 July 2020 10: 43 New
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    In some ways Leontyev is right. He has not yet served in the army any voting rights.
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 July 2020 11: 16 New
      +1
      Uh-huh, but the machine can be, think ...
      1. Sether
        Sether 27 July 2020 11: 58 New
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        By the way, whose interests will they defend with a gun without voting rights?
        1. cniza
          cniza 27 July 2020 12: 33 New
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          That's just the point, and Leontyev is already in the clouds ...
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 27 July 2020 10: 46 New
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    - "This, in turn, will cause an acute shortage of personnel in the government and party structures, which the children of current leaders will not be able to fully satisfy" Come on))) - they will satisfy and then they will be able to quite themselves. In general, he was "late" with the statement Those who believed in this vote have already died out There are a little naive old men left (not everyone reached after the pension reform) and those who benefit from it
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 27 July 2020 11: 02 New
    +3
    Everyone has mistakes and erroneous judgments. Including the highly "sitting" Leontiev.

    As for this issue, then, I believe, the age limit should NOT be changed. And to scold "bad" young people especially is also NOT worth it. But to offer the authorities to improve the upbringing and education of young people - WORTH.
    But it's easier to scold young people ... lol
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 July 2020 11: 15 New
      +1
      Of course, it is easier to criticize and scold young people, but I wonder how his children, if any ...
  • Stalker84
    Stalker84 27 July 2020 11: 02 New
    -1
    Kogscha then respected Leontyev. Somewhere before 2014, when he abruptly closed the popular portal "However" and moved to Rosneft. I left the subscribers of the site and began to express faithful thoughts. The essence of Leontyev's statement is clear to me. Old people who are in power in their own way are scared because young people do not understand and do not understand how to manage it effectively. For the tools they are used to from the late stagnation and this is the time of their youth do not work. The world is changing, but they stayed there, in that era, and they don't want to change anything and don't want to learn. Of the young, they are comfortable with people not like Diagterev, appointed to the post of governor, without a shadow of intelligence on their face. Mr. Leontyev, I'm 36, but I would rather be with the troubled and "ignorant" young man than with you and people like you. Lying konfrmisiami tightly clinging to power and selling conscience for 30 pieces of silver!
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 27 July 2020 11: 55 New
      -1
      Quote: Stalker84
      Kogscha then respected Leontyev. Somewhere in the year before 2014, when he abruptly closed the popular portal "However" and moved to Rosneft.

      How can you respect this absolutely muddy bird of democracy ??? ... It seems to me that all the speeches and speeches of Leoniev are flamboyant, although if he usually starts with pathos, then he will then spit such out of the blue that you are amazed !!!
      Because youth is a painful condition that goes away with age. "
      Leontiev himself realized that he had spun ??? )))
  • Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 27 July 2020 11: 10 New
    +1
    ... We will face the need to deprive young people of voting rights

    The consequences of this decision will be very sad.
    Taking into account the status of the person who voiced this opinion, this issue is probably being worked out.
  • cniza
    cniza 27 July 2020 11: 14 New
    +1
    Leontiev, of course, got excited. He gave up such a juicy excuse to gloat over the recently overheated liberal and oppositional public.


    Or maybe this is for him, well, in the sense of age - senile, although it is still too early, but seriously - the sooner a young person is attracted to public understanding and decision, the faster he grows up. The machine is trusted at the age of 18 ...
    1. brat07
      brat07 28 July 2020 01: 53 New
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      The machine is trusted at the age of 18 ...


      Yes, they trust the machine gun, but there is one-man command in the army.
      And no one there will ask your opinion.
      The soldier obeys orders
      their commanders! And in no other way, otherwise it is no longer an army.
      Therefore (IMHO) there should not be any "binding" to the age of 18 years.
      By the way, how old is a passport now?
  • srha
    srha 27 July 2020 11: 32 New
    +2
    How is the brain of a young person significantly different from an old one? Better energy, more neurons and fewer connections. What does it mean? And this means fewer connections between entities in a young brain, i.e. established connections in the world. Biological fact. What does it mean? Young thinks faster, but less coherently, since some connections are still weak or have not yet been developed at all. When is speed more important? In current affairs (tactics). And what is more important in state (strategy) management? Connectivity.

    I suppose a lot of resentment from the young, but think about it - build connections: for example, find out who leads the social groups of advanced mammals? Is it always the strongest? Why are wolves sometimes noticed at the head of the pack? And who is in charge of the elephant herd? Etc.

    By the way, about the right to vote. In general, the problem is not in the "young", but in the very bourgeois system of power sharing - democracy: you have the power to give (after all, they don’t even hide - give it all) your vote, and capital (monopoly) has the rest of the power.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 27 July 2020 11: 48 New
      -1
      Quote: srha
      Build connections: For example, find out who leads the social groups of advanced mammals? Is it always the strongest? Why are wolves sometimes noticed at the head of the pack? And who is in charge of the elephant herd?

      What a set of absurdities ??? Let me ask you the same questions - how many stars are there in the Andromeda galaxy ??? How many drops of water are in the Pacific Ocean ???
      Why do people have to answer such stupid questions ??? It doesn't matter old or young ... I think the one who does not answer this at all is smart because he does not fill his brains with any nonsense !!!
      And the elephant herd is controlled by the elephant ruler !!!
      1. srha
        srha 28 July 2020 23: 37 New
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        A set of supposedly absurdities is, for example, "Alice in Wonderland" by L. Carol, like "you have to run with all your might in order to stay in place," by the way, world-renowned as a touchstone for sharpening the mind. And I have simple questions on the facts noted by naturalists.
        By the way, you don't need to answer if you have more important things to do, well, don't pay attention to either Carol or these questions, but why offend others (with a personal antithesis - "that smart") in their legitimate interest?
        And again, by the way, there are about 1 trillion stars (VIKI), about 9 * 10 ^ (15) drops (otvet.mail.ru). Scientists considered both for a long time and for this they had to work very hard, learn to draw, invent huge telescopes, make geographical discoveries, etc. I answered your question, why do we need such questions? Hee, even the question "how many devils are at the end of the needle" brought closer to the concept of infinitesimal in the Middle Ages, i.e. diff. calculus and the discoveries of Newton.
        PS As for the elephant steward, you were a little mistaken - the elephant herd manages the herd of elephants - is that more correct?
        PPS Not I minus, because I agree that nonsense is not worth bothering with. The only question is, what is nonsense for a composer and a cook if they have a bunch of notes and recipes in front of them?
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 27 July 2020 11: 36 New
    +2
    Media and culture are not like that now. What sculpted, then got it!
    Now on the ORTHODOX channel SPAS - they are showing SOVIET films!
  • Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 27 July 2020 12: 12 New
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    Quote: parusnik
    if your salary is not 50 tyrov (salary, no allowances), you do not vote,

    I would say then the power of the khan. Budget employees pass by, security officials pass a decent part, and there are a lot of big salaries in large cities, and in cities people with a normal income are often skeptical about the PU and pocket DG. You can fly with a bang without youth. And not all millionaires support the current course. Especially who has their own business and not a state store.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 27 July 2020 12: 40 New
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    Quote: srha
    srha (Sergey)

    The biological basis of a person crawls through at any age. But in the young, in the absence of experience, a fountain of hormones beats.

    Well, on the topic of democracy - which system, in your opinion, is better than democracy, even with its flaws?
    1. srha
      srha 29 July 2020 01: 14 New
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      Hormones are, of course, a problem. But doctors have long found a solution for the necessary cases. Pay attention to how many tranquilizers (sedatives) are consumed in developed countries. By the way, a lot of other people's hormones come from modern processed food. And by the way, somehow modern youth, not all of them, but in general, it seems to me strongly inhibited - or is it the effect: "and the trees were greener before, and the water tastier"? Although, if we compare the tasks of the textbook (physics / mathematics) of the 10th grade of 1979 and the 11th grade of 2020 ...

      And on the topic of the system. Better for what? Without defining a goal, it is useless, since it is pointless - going to no one knows where, even going in the best way, you still don't know where you will get. Therefore, I will define the goal as the implementation of the versatile development of each person, through the consolidation of self-organizing social mechanisms that minimize various mechanisms of alienation of power. It is simpler - as much freedom as possible, and do not confuse it with anarchy, because freedom is a conscious necessity, and not the right to shove your neighbor with your elbows (or a pistol).

      And even now, after defining the goal, the question is not "better" in general, but a possible necessity. Indeed, for different conditions, different systems are "better". Example: during World War II, Great Britain canceled its democratic elections, as far as I remember they were not held from 2 to 1935 - they just wanted to survive in the struggle and chose a more suitable type of government at that time. And the USSR from June 1945, 30 to September 1941, 4 was ruled by the State Defense Committee.

      But nonetheless. From my point of view, the best thing is a direct representative vertical of power of the delegates of the People's Councils!

      The main point is that collectives elect their delegates from among their collectives to exercise supreme power at a higher level. And they form and control (but are not included in them) other authorities (executive, judicial) of their level and elect delegates to a higher level, etc. to the highest - the council of the country. Those. your delegate turns out to be personally familiar to you, is obliged to report to you and obey his team, which elected him, i.e. you have an easy way to both control him and revoke / re-elect him. And no media is needed for this. But the power itself turns out to be multi-stage, and without any general elections of popular deputies - there is only you and your personally acquaintance and your delegate who is obliged to report to you. Perhaps your delegate did not go to the district, regional or supreme council, but he has his own delegate there, and therefore through him and yours, because you delegated him with your needs.

      Well, the embodiment (mechanism) of this essence can be different.

      Something like that.
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 29 July 2020 09: 45 New
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        Real democracy ends at the level when people cease to know each other personally. Then a field for manipulation appears.
        1. srha
          srha 4 August 2020 11: 56 New
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          What I suggested is actually a dictatorship, but the Councils of Delegates, and I did not begin to describe the mechanism for selecting delegates, it is understood that it should select the best in reason (and should not be confused with Wasserman, i.e. know-it-all), through a number of restrictions ... Well, the Soviets do not need an alcoholic (parasite, thief, scoundrel, etc.) from the society of alcoholics.

          In general, democracy, at least some, is harmful. It is not in the army (not even funny), it is not in science (you cannot cancel Newton's law by voting), it is not in production (otherwise it will quickly degrade), it is not in education (otherwise there is no education), it should not be in a more complex the system that unites the above listed - society. And it is used now because democracy is the most convenient tool for the separation of power for capital: you have the power to cast your vote (and they urge - cast your vote), and they (capital) have all the rest of the power: executive, legislative, power, financial, judicial , economic, etc.

          Here, in the democratic Republic of Kazakhstan, this portal is banned - therefore I rarely visit here, and I do not even twitch for my power ...
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 27 July 2020 12: 43 New
    -2
    "Leontiev has an extensive track record and public experience. Therefore, it is believed that he thought over every word, that the scandalous statement was not impromptu."

    The thinking process is captured in the photo:


  • NordUral
    NordUral 27 July 2020 12: 58 New
    +6
    Sadly, this is a sold-out gold pen, the truth is that the level of education has dropped to a shameful level. But not children and young people should be blamed for this, but the government that is destroying the Soviet legacy in education at all levels.
    Not young people should be removed from the elections, but this power should be removed from power at the elections. And it is the youth who will have to do this, as they realize that this power is fatal for the country.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 27 July 2020 14: 03 New
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      Most of the topic is about education. What does it have to do with it? And if you really want to ... Young people grow up, carefully looking around them. What does education give a person here? At its best? A thief will never take an educated person even into small sixes. Thieves of the educated hate and fear. No bandit will take a bandit. The maximum of a career is to register what is stolen by a godfather, in the sense of a deputy. With the constant risk that the godfather, that is, the deputy, drunk will not cope with the bursting hatred and will fill up.
      And so in general - a sea of ​​work for a beggarly salary, complete powerlessness and helplessness in front of any, the smallest, scum. More in our country education does not give anything. Well, why on earth would the youth begin to gnaw the granite of science? It is very tasteless, this granite. And what, to kill youth in order to become a technician?
      Our youth are too smart to put their lives on it. Young people learn what their elders have done well - to steal, betray, sell. For some reason, Mr. Leontyev hopes that young people will be imbued with a patriotic spirit and will defend it. Why on earth ?!
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 27 July 2020 18: 59 New
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        Yes, Mikhail, you painted a landscape. For me, this is not so far.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 28 July 2020 09: 37 New
          +1
          But as? Among the intellectuals among the tough entrepreneurs, we had Durov (the bandit Usmanov took his business away from him with the support of the authorities, and he was expelled from the country) and several people in Beeline who renounced science for profit, and they are now gradually being pressed. Some guy got a serious sum for a server browser - they are now strangling him with all their might, trying to take away every penny.
          Who else owns everything else in the country? In-in, then this and it. And to plow on all these creatures all my life? Do you know what it is like to learn to be a real intellectual worker? This means - all youth to study around the clock. Do not drink, do not go for a walk, forget about the girls, all the time to risk that the brain simply cannot cope. For the fate of a powerless techno-slave ?! Hehe ...
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 28 July 2020 11: 54 New
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            Do you know what it is like to learn to be a real intellectual worker? This means - all youth to study around the clock. Do not drink, do not go for a walk, forget about the girls, all the time to risk that the brain simply cannot cope.

            Well, you drew passions, Mikhail. Maybe now it is beyond the strength of some. But in Soviet times he learned without such horrors under a terrible totalitarian regime.
            But about those who are at the top in power and business, I completely agree - thieves and bandits.
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 28 July 2020 12: 08 New
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              Yah? In so straightforwardly learned without straining? And they sat down on a salary of 120 colas in factory design bureaus - to spoil good equipment with their rationalization proposals for 25 rubles a piece. But those who pushed forward science and technology, they plowed like the damned always. Without this, science and technology will not move forward, you know. Although the presence of 120 rubles "engineers" of a cool life spoiled Soviet science and technology incredibly ...
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 28 July 2020 16: 55 New
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                I wrote that without horror, and not about stress. I happened to study in the evening, so it was not easy, as there was no wild horror from this.
                Although the presence of 120 rubles "engineers" of a cool life spoiled Soviet science and technology incredibly ...

                All over the world, the cheerful masses of engineers and technicians are those who bring to mind the ideas of generators, general and chief designers, GUIs, etc. descending.
                Although complete mediocrity took place.
                And about the rationalization proposal in your words there is some truth, but only a fraction.
                True, there are so many blank patents issued now that one is amazed.
                1. Mikhail3
                  Mikhail3 29 July 2020 11: 51 New
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                  Yes, we are arguing from scratch) You just talk a little about something else. I'm talking about what we need now in order to at least slightly reduce the gap, so that at least some chance appears. And you mean the most powerful power with an enormous margin of safety. Incomparable ...
                  1. NordUral
                    NordUral 29 July 2020 12: 44 New
                    +2
                    I'm talking about what we need now in order to at least slightly reduce the gap, so that at least some chance appears.

                    I agree with you on this. But with these we have no chance, no. This is what I talk about all the time.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 27 July 2020 13: 22 New
    +1
    If by 2020, according to a top manager, young people have forgotten how to distinguish between good and evil, liars and righteous,
    Yes, I have not forgotten how! But I learned! This is the same old principle, the oldest - don't listen to what the person says. Look what he does! This is how children learn basic concepts, processing a monstrous amount of information in a short time. And this is the only way to learn most effectively.
    Young people look at exactly what and how elders want to prosper. What did our tops do to become the tops? They betrayed everything they swore allegiance to. They sold everything that they stole, and they stole everything they could get. How are the upper classes behaving now? They rob, steal, betray, sell, lie and dishonest. What do you want from young people ?! She is simply copying the path of success shown to her by her elders!

    All this extremely clearly shows the intellectual level of our leaders. They seemed to be sincerely convinced that by behaving this way they would save the country! Moreover, look, they will strengthen it! Oh god god holy macaroni monster ...
  • Revival
    Revival 27 July 2020 14: 08 New
    +2
    It is simply amazing that what kind of nonsense they do not write, so a whole bunch of supporters and defenders will immediately jump out, just foaming at the mouth, "right", "give me a suspension from elections" and so on.
    So also the author of the statement will be surpassed a hundred times: like let only those who have three hands vote, at least 7 billion, others have nothing, have not grown up.
    I wonder if this is something with a head or a job like that?
  • Catfish
    Catfish 27 July 2020 14: 21 New
    +2
    We will face the need to deprive young people of voting rights,


    Come on, what is there to be limited to one youth, to deprive the hell of everyone of these voting rights, and at the same time to deprive everything in general. Yes, they do what they want and do without asking our opinion.
  • iouris
    iouris 27 July 2020 14: 25 New
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    Counting of votes - yes. But I cannot agree with either Leontyev or with those who attacked him on the point that elections are being held in our country. In general, there are no countries where the population can demand something. The institution of election of the head of state in a large country with a huge territory looks especially strange. The population will receive exactly as much as the authorities need to maintain power (provided that this power has (has not eaten) these resources). If the resources are consumed, then the power is transferred to an external force.
  • Million
    Million 27 July 2020 14: 28 New
    0
    mother - teacher of statistics at the Moscow Institute of National Economy named after Plekhanov, co-author of the textbook "Trade Statistics" Mira Moiseevna Leontieva (

    I think everything is clear here