The state tests of the new submachine gun "PPK-20" are completed

State tests of the new 9 mm submachine gun, developed as part of the Vityaz-MO R&D work, have been completed. This is reported by Kalashnikov-media.

The new submachine gun was created on the basis of the Vityaz-SN PP, which has been serially produced since 2005, taking into account the remarks and shortcomings identified during its operation.

The interdepartmental commission recognized the product as suitable for mass production and recommended that it be named "9 mm Kalashnikov submachine gun PPK-20" to perpetuate the memory of Viktor Mikhailovich Kalashnikov

- said in a press release.

It is stated that at the stage of development of a new submachine gun, the design and composition of the product were brought in line with the requirements of the tactical and technical assignment, the ergonomics of the PP and the equipment attached to it were improved, and a device for low-noise shooting was introduced into the composition. The reliability of the new PCB has been significantly improved compared to the base product.

In addition to the muffler, the PPK-20 includes: a belt with one-point and two-point fastening, a special bag for carrying magazines, related equipment and cleaning agents.

The performance characteristics of the PPK-20 are not given in the press release, but most likely they will not differ much from the characteristics of the Vityaz-SN PP, adopted by the RF Ministry of Internal Affairs in 2005. Currently, the Vityaz-SN submachine gun is in service with special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB and FSO.

Comments

[Uncle lee]

No matter how much Lefty did not assemble a Singer machine, it still turned out to be an AK!

[Vol4ara]

AHAHA, I thought about the same thing)))

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Uncle Lee

No matter how much Lefty did not assemble a Singer machine, it still turned out to be an AK!

Not just AK, but AKSU.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Alexey RA

and AKSU

And this time!

[Keldysh Mstislav]

The only ambiguity. Which cartridge is used. PM? PMM? 9x19Luger, 9x21?
The difference is so significant ...
It is clear that the other "Knights" - 9x19 ...

[zadorin1974]

The bison was originally developed for several cartridges 9x17,9x18,9x19, even the TT version 7,62x25. It all depends on the customer, for the Ministry of Internal Affairs it will most likely be 9x18 PMM. For specialists and army men, most likely Luger (but I tend to 9x21 in connection with the adoption of a new pistol Boa)

[Catfish]

And here "Bison", the conversation is only for "Knight".

[zadorin1974]

Because Konstantin, in the early 90s at Izhmash, to replace the AKSU for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, they began to develop a PP for a pistol (small-sized and low-impulse with a large stopping effect) cartridge. The PP "Bizon" with a screw magazine was obtained. The PP turned out to be quite good, but the magazine itself is heavy and unreliable (he himself held it in his hands, they didn't let him shoot). As a result, Izhevsk residents shoveled the receiver under a simple sector store, the result was PP 19-02 Bizon (there were 03,04,05 different cartridges) or the second name "Vityaz SN" Now this unit was hung with spillikins and voila-PPK 20)))))

[Catfish]

Yeah, and it turned out to be a completely different weapon with its own name.

[zadorin1974]

So above it is written for MO Bison for the money of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Vityaz for the money of MO, in my opinion everything is clear))))))

[Doliva63]

Quote: zadorin1974

The bison was originally developed for several cartridges 9x17,9x18,9x19, even the TT version 7,62x25. It all depends on the customer, for the Ministry of Internal Affairs it will most likely be 9x18 PMM. For specialists and army men, most likely Luger (but I tend to 9x21 in connection with the adoption of a new pistol Boa)

And why should the army team?

[zadorin1974]

Well, there are many options. The same military police are needed, the Special Forces can use it, but a lot of options. AKSU is certainly a good machine (I'm used to it), but there are unpleasant surprises.

[Doliva63]

Quote: zadorin1974

Well, there are many options. The same military police are needed, the Special Forces can use it, but a lot of options. AKSU is certainly a good machine (I'm used to it), but there are unpleasant surprises.

Unpleasant surprises at AKSU? What kind?
The special forces did not need AKSU either - why would he need it?
Military policemen are conditional army men, I don't take them into account. I think sooner or later they will be eliminated, like other insane "innovations".

[zadorin1974]

Well, I have a practice of dragging a short guy around another department, but I saw overheating of the barrel during firing (two machine guns and two pistols for the entire department for passing the test).

[Doliva63]

Quote: zadorin1974

Well, I have a practice of dragging a short guy around another department, but I saw overheating of the barrel during firing (two machine guns and two pistols for the entire department for passing the test).

You may not appreciate it, but I did 4-5 runs with him in a row on the test shooting exercise (designed exclusively for RPKS, AKS and AKMS) - this is when 35 rounds at a time in two magazines, there were no problems with overheating ... Sometimes we came across submachine guns with a whispering defect - but this was a factory defect. When it was necessary, they sewed a concealed carrying holster for AKSU without a store, went with them to the city in anticipation of provocations. Nice, reliable machine gun.

[Catfish]

Judging by the store in the presented photo, the 9x21 cartridge does not "smell" there.

[Pereira]

This machine is planned to replace what?

[loki565]

Probably instead of a bison

[Alexander Seklitsky]

AKS most likely

[zadorin1974]

It is high time for the Ministry of Internal Affairs and OVO to replace the AKSU, they are too powerful. At school I held Bizon with a screw. Such a bolda pulled the arm too hard, no one liked it. This is the doped Bizon SN.

But I like.

[Catfish]

This is not "Bison", this is "Knight".

[zadorin1974]

To you Constantine two for your attentiveness.

[Catfish]

And you are twenty-two. In one p / p there is a sector store and a receiver for it, and in the second there is a screw and where is the receiver? And in the photo that you posted there are two Bison grazing and the difference between them is only in the butts.
"Knight".

"Buffalo".

You catch the difference, you are our attentive.

[zadorin1974]

I catch it-I wrote everything to you above-Converted into a sector shop PP had two names and Bizon 19-02 (initial name) and a new Vityaz SN. Apart from the receiver, nothing has changed))

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Although PP-19-01 "Vityaz" belongs to the PP-19 model range, it never bore the name "Bizon". PP-19 "Bizon-2-01" is an export modification of the PP-19 "Bizon-2" for cartridges 9 × 19 mm and a screw magazine for 53 rounds

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Good afternoon. In your photo there are two PP-19 "Bizon-2", the lower one is an early modification with a folding stock up

The PP-19-01 "Vityaz" submachine gun with a 0-charge sectoral magpot 9 × 19 mm was developed on the basis of the PP-19 "Bizon-2-07" mm TT

[zadorin1974]

Dorbrogo Alexander. We were shown this line at school (retraining 2001). Representatives from Izhmash came to the shooting range with all the nomenclature. You could stroke everything, try several samples (Mostly 100 series) from there and I know (as the representatives explained)

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Here are just PP-19-01 "Vityaz" then, if it was only in the project, it was developed in 2004, the first version of the PP-19-01 "Vityaz" isp.10 - based on AKS-74U, with a wooden forend and a sight at 100/200 m, and PP-19-01 "Vityaz-SN" isp.20 - in 2008 on the basis of AK-105, with a black polyamide forend, sector sight, improved ergonomics.

So we introduced you to "Bison" and not "Vityaz"

[zadorin1974]

That's why I say that this Bizon-Vityaz was later called. Here only the auger magazine was for 64 rounds, the sector ones were for 20 and 30. By the way, the PP forend with a receiver for the sector magazine was one to one with the auger bison.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

I don't know what antiquity they showed you, but the use of box magazines was abandoned back in 1992 on the Bizon-1 prototype, since the receiver was partially cut off to accommodate the auger magazine

, to install a box magazine, it was required to install a special removable fore-end, as on the Tula PP-90M1

, which was considered superfluous, and all subsequent "Bizons" were produced only with auger magazines, except for the "Bizon-2-07" chambered for 7,62 × 25 mm TT, since the auger magazine for it turned out to be only 45 rounds and it was decided to make it only with a sector magazine for 32 rounds.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

I found here one descendant of PP-19 "Bizon-2-06" for a box magazine in 1999 - an experienced "KSO-1" (short-barreled service weapon).
The cartridge used is 9x17K. Magazine capacity 10 rounds.
USM allows firing only single shots.

Perhaps you had something similar. But this is just a reverse conversion of "Bizon" into a box store, and not a development into "Vityaz". The most important difference between Bizon and Vityaz is the receiver of different designs.

[zadorin1974]

It looks like it, but the store was bigger. In principle, almost twenty years have passed.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

he is the only one, I could not find others. And this one appeared only as an alteration of the export self-loading PP-19 "Bizon-2-06" chambered for 9x17 mm "Browning short" with a screw magazine for 64 rounds under our laws on service weapons: a magazine of no more than 10 rounds and a 9x17 mm cartridge Kurz ... But he was only experienced, since even before his appearance he lost to the service PKSK-10. Perhaps they brought it, they just made the stores bigger

[zadorin1974]

Don't bother Alexander. We were preparing for a tour from the trade union))))

[Alexander Drobyshev]

I don’t bother, I’m always interested in studying the history of rare weapons

[zadorin1974]

They just made us a good show then. There was something to see and touch. In Izhevsk on the day of the police in those days, often exhibitions for employees with new products from Izhmash were done (a lot of riot police). There were good times.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

I have a question for you. Have you ever crossed paths with a serial machine like in your hands, but only chambered for 7,62x39 mm? As in the photo.

or similar?

[zadorin1974]

No, I haven't even seen such people in the Kalashnikov Museum. It's some kind of monster))) The astronauts with the hundredth series traveled (packed) to us and the short ones behind our eyes (just in case))).

[Alexander Drobyshev]

About the fact that there are no such people in the Kalashnikov Museum, I already know, and if there is something similar somewhere in the storerooms (from time to time they find any unknown), then it looks quite different. Why did I ask, just on another forum, one stubborn for the third month has been hitting himself with a heel in the chest, that in 92 in the BB training at the base of the former police school they had the same "reprimands" 5,45 and 7,62, theirs they were given on a business trip in '95. There is no documentary evidence of course. And recently he was joined by a smart guy from the GSVG, who was a castle in 1985-1987, who allegedly had such a first year of service. I'm already tired of taking off to argue, I decided to check, maybe I'm a fool? And the kadavrik in the photo is an artifact of our weapons production - SKhP AKS-74U under a blank cartridge 7,62x39 mm

[zadorin1974]

With short men there I saw only gayts and investigation brigades. The locals only quoted AKM (there is a mentality of the size of Stechkin). BB units always have a long barrel. If I don't forget, I’ll ask a good man-military representative he served at the factory

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Thanks a lot in advance!!!

[Incvizitor]

The bison have healthy stores, they are not easy to carry and charge longer ...

[Catfish]

Instead of yourself. They fiddled with the "Vityaz" plastic and passed it off as a new product. As I say, the same eggs, only in profile.

[Journalist]

Quote: Sea Cat

They fiddled with the "Vityaz" plastic and passed it off as a new product. As I say, the same eggs, only in profile

This thought also slipped through ..

[fif21]

There is no point in discussing the picture without performance characteristics. AKM-74u chambered for 9X? with picatinny and it is not clear why with a folding stock. Is the recoil strong? 9X21? Some questions ...

[Alexander Drobyshev]

The Vityaz-MO submachine gun was originally developed for the 9x19 mm cartridge, PPK-20 is just a new name after revision

[Aag]

Quote: fif21

There is no point in discussing the picture without performance characteristics. AKM-74u chambered for 9X? with picatinny and it is not clear why with a folding stock. Is the recoil strong? 9X21? Some questions ...

I agree. In addition to the folding stock, it would be ... bewilderment if the stock were not folding (based on the purpose and possible performance characteristics).

[Mountain shooter]

Under 9 mm "Parabellum" ... why not under 9x21? The unit would be much more powerful.

[senima56]

Nice "machine" turned out!

[Keldysh Mstislav]

The urge to reduce the cost, unify the assembly elements is understandable. This is the cost. But PP weighing 3kg without cartridges? Yes, even for a pistol (not the most powerful ..) cartridge? ...
PP "Veresk" chambered for 9x21 weighs 1,6 kg with a magazine without cartridges ....

[Alexander Drobyshev]

On "Veresk", to achieve such a weight of the structure, a lightweight butterfly valve with gas exhaust had to be installed, if the "Vityaz", without changing the design, is chambered for 9x21 mm, then it will weigh even more, and the development of a new model is always a risk. In addition, the weight of Vityaz-MO is 2,85 kg, which does not differ much from similar ones: 3,25 kg (MP5 A3, MP5 A5 with an empty magazine for 30 rounds), 3,7 kg (Uzi with an empty magazine for 25 rounds), 2,25 kg (plastic UMP9 with a magazine for 30 rounds), 2,61 kg (Colt SMG 635 without a magazine), etc.

[Izotovp]

It is strange that a sample has not yet been presented under the .45 caliber. The platform allows the creation of a wide range of modifications. Although the AM-17 platform looks more promising.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Why do we need .45 ACP? America is closed to us, in Europe civilians use 9x21 mm IMI, .40 SW and, to a lesser extent, .45 HB, but theirs and the American are piled high, ours cannot even get into the Kalashnikov brand. The AM-17 platform is very interesting, but its profile is a Compact class weapon, and this is a highly specialized niche of weapons, in fact, it is just a replacement for the AKS-74U in the Aerospace Forces, well, and the replacement of the AMB-17 version of the 9A-91 assault rifle in the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

[Izotovp]

Firstly, for export to third countries, and secondly: maybe our assemblies and riot police should take a closer look at this caliber instead of 9x39.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

And you can ask, which third world countries to which we can sell weapons in large quantities use the .45 ACP cartridge en masse, and not the usual cartridges 9x18 mm PM, 7,62x25 mm Type 54 and 9x19 mm Luger? And why would our SOBR and riot police need a pistol cartridge, the only advantage of which is the imaginary large stopping effect of a bullet, then immediately .50 AE, which is trifling. Cartridges .40 SW and our 9x21 mm SP-12 (with an expansive bullet) are head and shoulders above .45 ACP, while allowing you to create a two-row pistol magazine of acceptable dimensions.

[Zaurbek]

It is a pity that such PPs are made under one cartridge. 9x21 and 7,62x25 would go well.

[Catfish]

The same eggs, only in profile.

[Emperor of the galaxy]

Quote: Keldysh Mstislav

The urge to reduce the cost, unify the assembly elements is understandable. This is the cost. But PP weighing 3kg without cartridges? Yes, even for a pistol (not the most powerful ..) cartridge? ...

Dear, do not forget that this product is intended for "structures" and based on the performance characteristics not for the "field"
And for "they came to the address and quickly asked for their surname" and or Navigate the bad ones in the room, while the good ones do not bother ... The weight is reliable, the recoil is less accurate, 9mm in a specific version can both sew armor and soft lead from the hooves ...
Conclusion, the journalists forgot to point out that the unit is specific and intended for specific structures for specific tasks. Py.Sy. We improved the ergonomics and the possibility of body kit ... which means they collected statistics and opinions of those who use it, then they brought it to life, which means that there is funding and a "service" that processes all this and does not sit on the priest exactly but fusses in response to "criticism" and " Wishlist "personnel of the departments.

[Aag]

Quote: Emperor Of the Galaxy

Quote: Keldysh Mstislav

The urge to reduce the cost, unify the assembly elements is understandable. This is the cost. But PP weighing 3kg without cartridges? Yes, even for a pistol (not the most powerful ..) cartridge? ...

Dear, do not forget that this product is intended for "structures" and based on the performance characteristics not for the "field"
And for "they came to the address and quickly asked for their surname" and or Navigate the bad ones in the room, while the good ones do not bother ... The weight is reliable, the recoil is less accurate, 9mm in a specific version can both sew armor and soft lead from the hooves ...
Conclusion, the journalists forgot to point out that the unit is specific and intended for specific structures for specific tasks. Py.Sy. We improved the ergonomics and the possibility of body kit ... which means they collected statistics and opinions of those who use it, then they brought it to life, which means that there is funding and a "service" that processes all this and does not sit on the priest exactly but fusses in response to "criticism" and " Wishlist "personnel of the departments.

It seems, I agree. But, the ending of the post ... from the category of desirable ones. IMHO, of course: 1) they exploit the name of Kalashnikov ("... in order to perpetuate the memory of Kalashnikov ..." from the article), just a brand! AK-47 I count extraordinary The personality of Mikhail Timofeich himself by the designers of thermal impulse machines (small arms) is assessed ambiguously. Well, come on, it's history ...
2) Time, of course, has passed (15-20 years), I remember familiar security officials (natives of the USSR Armed Forces) complained about the lack of adequate shotguns (!), And "rubber guns". Up to the point that having sent a cartridge into the chamber with a rubber bullet, it is possible to discharge only with a shot ...
3) Already wrote, -Kalashnikov has become a brand. So you have to comply! And not to raise it to the category of "scrapie". Who is in the subject, remember the AK-12, - what was the idea (showed the characteristics), and how was it adopted, went to the troops? Castrated? (Sorry, I don't remember, it was discussed here, or on a specialized site ...

[Jack O'Neill]

They just took and zatyunil Vityaz. Pistol grip with AK-12 by the way.
In short, we decided to tone down the old PP machines, calling it something new ...
And with 9x19mm it's time to sit down on 5.7mm

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Good afternoon, why? The penetrating effect of the 9x19 mm 7N21 cartridge is higher than that of the 5,7x28 mm SS190, stopping, too, wins only in size and weight, as well as low recoil. So their tasks are different: ours has a short break through a standard army body armor, and a 5,7 mm one - a light and compact "one hand" weapon capable of penetrating a standard anti-fragmentation body armor

[Double major]

Short Kalash chambered for Parabellum. Not interested.

[Lord of the Sith]

Nice PP. To replace Ksyusha?

[cat Rusich]

The shop acceptance shaft on PPK-20, on M-16 is criticized at every opportunity, on PP-19 Bizon it is not. "Shop acceptance mine" - GOOD or EVIL? Will one of the reasons for criticizing the M-16 disappear? PP-19 Bizon was developed in 1993 by V.M. Kalashnikov - the son of M.T.Kalashnikov and A.F. Dragunov - the son of E.F. Dragunov. Will immortalize A. Dragunov -?

[Kapkan]

Worse than the mine receiver of the Kalash magazine, there can only be a mine receiver in the M series.

[Gloomy skeptic]

More weapons, good and different! Good news, keep it up !!!

[Kapkan]

Worse than the mine receiver of the Kalash magazine, there can only be a mine receiver in the M series.

[hhurik]

Interestingly, at least something was done about the problem of breaking out the receiver guides after 4-5 thousand shots? In the civilian version, all users were spat.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

On "Kalashnikov-Media" video test "Saigi-9" under 9x19 mm https://kalashnikov.media/video/weapons/sayga-9-resursnyy-test