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Reform in Ukrainian: the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine proposes to reduce the number of tanks in companies

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In Ukraine, they are thinking about how to bring the regular number of troops in line with the country's legislation. At the meeting, which was chaired by the Chief of the General Staff, Lieutenant-General Sergei Korneichuk on behalf of the commander-in-chief, it was decided to reform in stages.


The head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine spoke about this in an interview with the "ArmiaInform" publication, owned by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

Korneichuk explained the idea of ​​reforming the military unit using the example of an artillery battery. In different armies of the world, they are equipped with four, six or eight guns. The APU has six-gun batteries. The calculation of each weapon consists of a staff of six people, but since there are not enough people, its number in practice is smaller.

Korneichuk suggested preserving two of the six guns and keeping four. Then their calculations will be completed in full. If necessary, the mothballed cannons are put back into operation, and their called-up reservists will serve them.

He suggested doing the same with tank divisions. He suggested the idea to reduce the number of tanks in companies from 10 to 8 or 9, and to mothball 1-2 tanks. Then the armored vehicles in combat units will not be idle due to the lack of crews.

These proposals were met with criticism in Ukraine, saying that they could "extremely negatively" affect the combat capability of the country's armed forces. The reduction in the number of tanks in a company, as noted, will not contribute to the gaining experience of young military personnel.

From the comments of experts in Russia:

This is a reform in Ukrainian: the word “mothball” as applied to tanks can be safely replaced by “steal and sell”. Something similar, unfortunately, took place in our country in the 90s.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 22 July 2020 14: 25 New
    +1
    The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine proposes to reduce the number of tanks in companies
    Better to reduce the number of General Staff officers!
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 22 July 2020 14: 35 New
      38
      Who is better for? what Better to "preserve" and sell armored vehicles and art, and increase the number of general staff, generals, admirals and high ranks of supply. One head is good, but many heads are already a mutation.laughing
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 22 July 2020 14: 43 New
        +7
        Quote: Captive
        Better to "preserve" and sell armored vehicles and art, and increase the number of general staff, generals, admirals and high ranks of supply.

        It is reasonable!
      2. halpat
        halpat 22 July 2020 14: 51 New
        +8
        Quote: Captive
        Who is better for? what Better to "preserve" and sell armored vehicles and art, and increase the number of general staff, generals, admirals and high ranks of supply. One head is good, but many heads are already a mutation.laughing

        This is a good plan for you !! By golly.
        An increase in the number of zhisniks with thick maracas on shoulder straps leads to an acceleration of their thought process - how to feed them (independent generals and admirals). And, accordingly, to the accelerated "conservation" of what else can be quietly sold :)
        this Korneichuk just reported the business plan, but did not take into account all those who wanted to feed themselves, as I understand it :)) so he ran into criticism :)
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 22 July 2020 15: 03 New
          +3
          I remembered how in the battalion all three foremen of the companies turned out to be countrymen from the Ukrainian SSR. They zadolbali company property from each other to steal! angry
      3. sav
        sav 22 July 2020 19: 31 New
        15
        If necessary, the mothballed cannons are put back into operation, and their called up reservists will serve them.

        Quote: Captive
        Better to "preserve" and sell armored vehicles and art

        Then the called up reservists must have can openers
      4. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 23 July 2020 15: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Captive
        For whom is it better? Better to "preserve" and sell armored vehicles and art

        you are sure? ukrovsky budget is not enough to maintain the army that they have now. in my opinion it is better when the enemy has a lot of broken tanks than half of their number, but combat-ready. let them underfinance what they have and then write off not part but everything! wink
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 22 July 2020 14: 42 New
      +5
      I think LDNR can help reduce these tanks
      1. halpat
        halpat 22 July 2020 15: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: 1976AG
        I think LDNR can help reduce these tanks

        LDNR will also work, and even most preferable. The buyer is picky and safe, repair base (spare parts and other - all of Russia and not far), no complaints :)

        These are not some Thais or Ethiopians, they always turn up their nose - it does not work this unpainted, but why is there no gun ...

        And pennies don't smell. smile
    3. Finches
      Finches 22 July 2020 15: 02 New
      +3
      All that is preserved can be sold a little ... The underlying reason for the reform is clear to me! And what about the increase in combat readiness? laughing
      1. credo
        credo 22 July 2020 15: 26 New
        +7
        Quote: Finches
        All that is preserved can be sold a little ... The underlying reason for the reform is clear to me! And what about the increase in combat readiness? laughing

        Sometimes good news comes even from Ukraine. This one is from this category. Personally, I am in favor of the "reform" of Korneichuk, I hope that Zelensky too, it’s very timely with a meager state budget.
        1. Finches
          Finches 22 July 2020 15: 28 New
          +1
          Let them reform - just neighing! laughing
          1. credo
            credo 22 July 2020 15: 32 New
            +3
            Quote: Finches
            Let them reform - just neighing! laughing

            No, I am quite serious and with both hands "for" if the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine wants to know the opinion of Russian citizens.
            1. Finches
              Finches 22 July 2020 15: 34 New
              +1
              Reforms are actually needed in order to do something more efficiently and profitably, with development ... And they do not have a reform - but a set of certain gestures in order to simply survive ... But then I support you - I am also for two hands!
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 23 July 2020 15: 41 New
                0
                Quote: Finches
                And they have not a reform - but a set of certain gestures just to survive ...

                right .. Pan Ataman has gold reserves of Nam request it is better if the reform is strangled by the ukropatriots and, as a result, not part of the ukroverrmacht will be covered, but the whole. wink
            2. 1976AG
              1976AG 22 July 2020 15: 56 New
              +2
              Quote: credo
              Quote: Finches
              Let them reform - just neighing! laughing

              No, I am quite serious and with both hands "for" if the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine wants to know the opinion of Russian citizens.

              Yeah, let us hold a referendum)
    4. Vestnik
      Vestnik 22 July 2020 16: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Better to reduce the number of General Staff officers!

      And especially admirals ..))))
    5. mark2
      mark2 22 July 2020 18: 00 New
      -1
      Right. Upgrade the gun crews of 2 guns and 1-2 tanks
    6. svp67
      svp67 22 July 2020 20: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Better to reduce the number of General Staff officers!

      Yes, and the army as a whole, too ... it is obvious that such a bloated state of Ukraine simply does not pull
  2. Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 22 July 2020 14: 25 New
    -9
    We differ from them only in that optimization (distorted what was once a normal word, dogs) has little to do with the army, but everything else is still like
    1. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 22 July 2020 14: 56 New
      +6
      Previously, we also had the so-called cropped military units, but now, at least in the one where I served on a conscription basis, all the police stations are fully staffed, the brigade has again become a full-fledged unit, and not as under the leadership of the 90s!
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 22 July 2020 15: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: kot28.ru
        Previously, we also had so-called cropped military units.

        This is just the right decision.
        If you use the example suggested by the dillman, you have an artillery battery of eight guns, in which only commanders and gunners are counted.

        Such a battery can easily be expanded into a full-fledged one simply by calling people from the reserve. The loader is orders of magnitude faster and easier to train than the gun commander.
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 July 2020 20: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          The loader is orders of magnitude faster and easier to train than the gun commander.

          How to take drivers from the national economy, but specialists need to be trained and trained
        2. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 23 July 2020 15: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Such a battery can easily be expanded into a full-fledged one simply by calling people from the reserve. The loader is orders of magnitude faster and easier to train than the gun commander.

          and the materiel? You understand that even when the artillery is just standing still, it still asks for food. wink
          Well, they called for the missing part of the calculations, well, they came, but what to shoot from when they didn't allocate money for the maintenance of materiel? request "hammering" with self-detonation?
          it's even worse with tanks ..
          it is better that the reform is ruined and the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to decompose evenly wink
  3. mintai_kot
    mintai_kot 22 July 2020 14: 28 New
    +8
    In Ukraine, "canned food" is not stored for a long time - they disappear, they completely disappear! Very good news for Donbass!
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado 22 July 2020 15: 04 New
      +2
      There will be news soon about the supply of tanks to Africa from an unnamed country. lol
  4. BAI
    BAI 22 July 2020 14: 33 New
    +4
    the word "canned" in relation to tanks can be safely replaced by "steal and sell"

    Let them do it. And hurry up!
  5. Avior
    Avior 22 July 2020 14: 34 New
    +1
    ... From expert comments ....

    How widely the word "experts" is now used.
    smile
  6. prior
    prior 22 July 2020 14: 35 New
    11
    The Ukrainian Armed Forces should completely abandon tanks. This will significantly reduce the cost of the army and extend the life of Ukraine as a state. Moreover, no one is going to fight her.
  7. cniza
    cniza 22 July 2020 14: 35 New
    10
    He suggested doing the same with the tank units. He suggested the idea to reduce the number of tanks in companies from 10 to 8 or 9, and to mothball 1-2 tanks. Then the armored vehicles in combat units will not be idle due to the lack of crews.


    Are they funny, or maybe just reduce the number of mouths? lol
    1. BAI
      BAI 22 July 2020 14: 55 New
      +5
      And what to do with the generals?
      1. cniza
        cniza 22 July 2020 15: 10 New
        +5
        Quote: BAI
        And what to do with the generals?


        I didn’t think request , oh - rent out, somewhere in Africa they will also earn extra money.
      2. HAM
        HAM 22 July 2020 15: 12 New
        +7
        Yes, not a problem ... There is no fleet, but there are admirals ... as many as 13 pieces ...
      3. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 23 July 2020 19: 36 New
        0
        And what to do with the generals?

        We must add generals. One head is good, but two are better.
    2. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 22 July 2020 16: 12 New
      +8
      Are they funny, or maybe just reduce the number of mouths?


      It won't help, they really have trouble with the tankers ..
      1. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 23 July 2020 19: 41 New
        0
        It's unpleasant to hear the Russians discuss how best to destroy the Russians.
  8. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 22 July 2020 14: 40 New
    +7
    yeah ... isn’t it easier to frame some units and not invent any garbage? Why castrate everyone at all?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 22 July 2020 14: 51 New
      +6
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Why castrate everyone at all?

      Certainly all! If only the veterinarians were calling everyone!
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 22 July 2020 15: 26 New
        +3
        Why veterinarians? As in an anecdote, the method of two bricks oncoming traffic. Fast, cheap, efficient.
        1. German Titov
          German Titov 22 July 2020 21: 29 New
          0
          Informative my friend, read the opinion of a specialist!
    2. beeper
      beeper 22 July 2020 14: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: carstorm 11
      yeah ... isn’t it easier to frame some units and not invent any garbage? Why castrate everyone at all?

      hi And what to do with the exorbitantly inflated staffs of ukrogeneralov and ukropolkovniki with their godfathers and military majors if the number of feeding "posts" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is reduced ?!

      Well, it was like in the "pre-euromaidan" Naval Forces (with numerous admirals and their attendants).
      With tightly welded (for decades, which did not prevent "mastering" over the years millions of dollars for the purchase as many as TWO full-weight sets of silver batteries for it!) to the berth with a rusty submarine "Zaporozhye" it was a "fleet" (with a corresponding budget and with a large "admiral-Kaperangovsky corps"), and without nominal "submarine forces" it was just a "flotilla", which had large overhead costs and the host, guzzling in three throats, idlers-parasites in ukroadmiralskih shoulder straps can not be "justified" - unless, supposedly, "a war with Russia", which all these highly paid parasites are raving about ?! winked
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 22 July 2020 15: 45 New
        +5
        Yes, I don't even touch it) this circus is generally little understood. just castrate everyone in a country that seems to be at war, this cannot but surprise)
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 July 2020 14: 48 New
    +4
    Actually a good start. It is necessary to "set" the number of tanks ... the rest for "conservation" - will be where to get spare parts tongue
  10. fn34440
    fn34440 22 July 2020 14: 53 New
    +2
    "The economy must be economical" - according to the precepts of Gorbach.
    Especially Ukrainian.
    Especially in the context of an actual technical default.
    Especially after the bloody Maidan.
    Especially after 4 years of rule by the bloody thief Poroshenko.
    Especially in the context of the Civil War unleashed by the West.
    Especially in complete bondage from the IMF and the striped Fed.
    Especially when NATO's intelligence service personnel are also in power.
  11. alean245
    alean245 22 July 2020 14: 55 New
    +3
    All exactly according to the joke "28 tanks in 7 companies, 13 units each ..."))))
  12. Alexander Seklitsky
    Alexander Seklitsky 22 July 2020 14: 56 New
    +6
    He suggested the idea to reduce the number of tanks in companies from 10 to 8 or 9, and to mothball 1-2 tanks. Then the armored vehicles in combat units will not be idle due to the lack of crews.
    It reminded me of an old humoresque .... What needs to be done in the country to make refrigerators burst with food ... small refrigerators need to be made correctly laughing good
  13. gurzuf
    gurzuf 22 July 2020 15: 31 New
    +1
    He suggested the idea to reduce the number of tanks in companies from 10 to 8 or 9, and to mothball 1-2 tanks. No need to preserve! stop Should be sold in the LPNR yes
  14. boris epstein
    boris epstein 22 July 2020 15: 43 New
    +3
    They follow the path of Hitler. Until 1943, the staff of a tank company was 22 tanks. In 1943, a reduced staff of 18 tanks was introduced. Korneichuk's idea says that the repair of tanks does not keep pace with losses. And there is no production of new ones at all. Documentation for horizontally opposed diesel engines of the 5TD-5TDF, 6TD-6TDF line has been lost, the diesel itself has not been brought to mind from birth (unreliable and capricious in repair and adjustment), almost all guns from tanks located at storage bases have either been sold or are already being repaired, and the attempt to produce their own tank gun has failed (the Voronezh 125-mm cannon is installed on the APU tanks), there is no supply of alloying additives from Russia for the production of armored steel (for repair, again, the tanks located at the storage bases are dispossessed).
  15. Thrifty
    Thrifty 22 July 2020 15: 44 New
    +4
    Alternatively, start making tanks three-gun, a kind of land battleships laughing three tanks per battalion laughing led by a five-gun "flagship" !!! lol
  16. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 22 July 2020 15: 52 New
    0
    From the comments of experts in Russia

    Oh, look these experts in the eye .. It's a pity that they are all "classified" by journalists.
  17. Maikcg
    Maikcg 22 July 2020 16: 06 New
    +4
    The tanks ran out to hide the incompleteness and cannibalism, the missing materiel will be "mothballed" on paper.
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 22 July 2020 16: 08 New
      +2
      It depends on where this part is, on the line of contact or in the rear. If you are on the front line, that's great!
      1. Maikcg
        Maikcg 24 July 2020 21: 02 New
        0
        Everywhere =) cannibalism and warrant officers.
  18. Irek
    Irek 22 July 2020 16: 32 New
    +1
    There is an admiral for each ship, a general for each tank. This is the reality in Userina.
  19. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 22 July 2020 20: 36 New
    +2
    Laughing:
    ... The calculation of each weapon consists of a staff of six people, but since there are not enough people, its number in practice is smaller.
    you can put anything in pots, they will believe everything. Is it so hard to find ammunition carriers? For this, special knowledge and skills are not needed. Take more, throw more. It is clear that the Armed Forces do not have enough personnel, but guns. And they are trying to hide it with tales of the alleged lack of personnel.
  20. German Titov
    German Titov 22 July 2020 21: 21 New
    +1
    Guys! Reduce the APU in the Donbass. Leave us "Dung", "Like" Donbass "and" to smithereens. "We" love it as we wash it. "For 6 years, such" seamstresses-minders "for the production of" zinc jackets "...
  21. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 22 July 2020 22: 31 New
    0
    Most likely "mothballed tanks" will become "donors" for other tanks in the company. Everything that can be "separated" from the tank without damaging the parts will be "separated" and used for the "benefit of the ensign bully "(or as warrant officers are now called in the Armed Forces of Ukraine).
  22. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 23 July 2020 04: 13 New
    0
    I fully support Korneichuk's idea! I propose to make batteries from 6 cannons to 2 cannons. These are not reforms, this slaughter of the APU.
  23. antivirus
    antivirus 23 July 2020 08: 47 New
    0
    These proposals were met with criticism in Ukraine, saying that they could "extremely negatively" affect the combat capability of the country's armed forces. Reducing the number of tanks in a company, as noted, will not contribute to the gaining experience of young military personnel.

    it is necessary to increase the APU - we still have to attack the Nevelskoy Strait
  24. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 23 July 2020 11: 17 New
    0
    Well, this problem has been standing at full height for 6 years. On paper, everything is just fine, in fact, the shortage is very strong. So in the 55th artillery brigade, real divisions 3, the fourth one is called "garbage" by the heroes of the ukross. There are dead equipment, unable to budge, and people are the same, even by the standards of the most powerful army of Geyropa.
  25. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 23 July 2020 13: 14 New
    0
    yes, in general, in U it is necessary to reduce the technique to a minimum. one tank in a platoon will be enough for them. and the platoon should be led by a lieutenant general. well, or at least a major general. Bombay units will be. as in the General Staff once the generals U used to say "WE ARE HEROICALLY RETREATING AND THE ENEMY IS SHADELY PURSUING US", you can bring this thesis to perfection
  26. makasan34
    makasan34 23 July 2020 14: 20 New
    +1
    quiet Ukrainian night, but tanks need to be hidden or sold
  27. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 23 July 2020 15: 37 New
    0
    So it won't affect anything. It is just that the understaffed units will become cropped.
  28. Drugov
    Drugov 23 July 2020 20: 57 New
    0
    Just wondering who does the General Staff see as a potential adversary? Except for Russia, of course)))