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Former Rada deputy: Ukraine actually abandoned Crimea and Donbass

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Over the past six years, Kiev has done everything possible to make Crimea and Donbass abandon the idea of ​​returning to Ukraine. At the same time, the Ukrainian authorities are persistently instilling in the country a feeling of hatred for the Donbass.


This was told by a former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, Yevgeny Muraev, in an interview with Ukrainian TV channel Nash.

The ex-deputy believes that Ukraine has actually abandoned the reintegration of Donbass and claims to return Crimea. He believes that Kiev simply does not want to take on social benefits for residents of these regions.


In order to make it impossible to return its former territories, Kiev uses a variety of methods. Among them are language and religious policies, as well as negative rhetoric directed at citizens living in these regions. Muraev believes that Ukraine has abandoned its citizens to fend for themselves:

Ukraine refused, referring to the conventions, something else, shifting from a sore head to a healthy one, just so as not to pay money to its citizens - to save money.


After visiting Donbass and talking with its residents, the former deputy came to the conclusion that they had run out of illusions in relation to the Kiev authorities. After all, these people know perfectly well where shells and mines are flying into their homes.
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  1. sav
    sav 19 July 2020 09: 47
    +4
    In Ukraine, they simply do not know what to do.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 19 July 2020 10: 08
      +3
      So they will be prompted. From across the ocean.
      1. Guba
        Guba 19 July 2020 10: 27
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        So they will be prompted. From across the ocean.

        Bloody clues something Dim ..
        Ukraine actually abandoned Crimea and Donbass

        From Donbass, when I started to fire from heavy artillery towns and cities ..
        From Crimea, when electricity and water were cut off ..
        And Russia does not refuse Kiev and is waiting for the right moment to ask ..
        WHY is this with us?
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 19 July 2020 10: 33
      +1
      Quote: sav
      In Ukraine, they simply do not know what to do.

      Yes, they all know. "Sho ne zim then I'll bite." That's the whole principle by which everything happens there.
  2. Alien From
    Alien From 19 July 2020 09: 49
    +5
    It's already sick of this Kiev!
    1. Guba
      Guba 19 July 2020 10: 33
      +6
      Quote: Alien From
      It's already sick of this Kiev!

      I would correct a little .. I'm sick not of Kiev, but of Bandera and others who have settled there as a result of a bloody coup.
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 19 July 2020 10: 42
        +7
        I also corrected, corrected ... And now I see - there is no point in correcting. And there is no point in dividing Ukrainians into "good" and "bad" (Bandera). All of them perfectly saw what kind of infection comes from Galicia. And none of them scratched themselves to stop her. Even when she had no strength. And now the Bandera members have become so insolent that they banned education in Russian. And again no one itches. This means that Ukraine is over. I no longer divide them into good and bad. And the bloody coup is a consequence of a degraded society. They themselves allowed it all.
        1. Guba
          Guba 19 July 2020 10: 52
          -3
          Quote: Pavel73
          All of them perfectly saw what kind of infection comes from Galicia. And none of them scratched themselves to stop her. Even when she had no power. And now the Bandera members have become so insolent that they banned education in Russian. And again, no one itches. This means that Ukraine is over. I do not divide them into good and bad. And a bloody coup is a consequence of a sinking society. They themselves allowed it all

          Nothing to argue .. Just sigh and grit your teeth.
          The mentality worked "My hut is on the edge and the bacon is better to hide .." hi
          And now it begins like this .. laughing

          so what to do with them?
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 19 July 2020 10: 59
            +2
            Yes ... There really is one point. Even those who are Galicians, on a subconscious level, have the fact that we all live side by side and on the same continent. And from war, anger and confrontation shitty to everyone. And they themselves are much worse than us. The main Bandera scum is the Ukrainian diaspora of the USA and Canada. So they shit from across the ocean, absolutely not answering for anything, and fearing nothing. It seems to me that the main provocateurs came in large numbers from there, too.
            1. Guba
              Guba 19 July 2020 12: 39
              -3
              Quote: Pavel73
              The main Bandera scum is the Ukrainian diaspora of the USA and Canada. Here they shit from across the ocean, absolutely not answering for anything, and fearing nothing. It seems to me that the main provocateurs came in large numbers from there, too.

              That's right, but the locals were also waiting for the moment .. They also came in large numbers to us in Russia, but only they did not kneel in front of them and ignored them in every possible way ..
              The same Solzhenitsyn (Russia thought he would meet him with Aviation) Or Pozner from TV sets in the 80-90s and now doesn’t get poison pouring water on everyone and everyone ..
              This is how things are going .. There will be MANY to answer!
              Putin of course poisoned terribly, supposedly do not try to undermine the system ..
              Well, there will be no Putin, there will be another who will clean up Russia and the territory, but already tougher .. Wait, I smell the genes.! wink
          2. Ros 56
            Ros 56 19 July 2020 13: 02
            +1
            Like that, chopping off one at a time, and not help, then the head. This is not me bloodthirsty, this is dialectics. Nobody offered to hold philosophical conversations with the Nazis about good and evil, they themselves went to this and the Banderlog is no better.
      2. Alien From
        Alien From 19 July 2020 11: 56
        +1
        Exactly!
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 July 2020 09: 55
    +4
    The news title does not match the information.
    Former Rada deputy: Ukraine actually abandoned Crimea and Donbass
    More than not clear. Crimea and Donbass are land that Ukraine will trade with great profit. And suddenly refuse, "dagom" (Winnie the Pooh)? fool
    Over the past six years, Kiev has done everything possible to make Crimea and Donbass abandon the idea of ​​returning to Ukraine
    This is understandable and a hedgehog. Muraev - well done, although of course not for ours.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 19 July 2020 15: 04
      -1
      And the deputy former...
      And the channel is such that even I, who is interested in affairs in Ukraine, did not hear ...
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 19 July 2020 20: 44
        -1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And the channel is such that even I, who is interested in affairs in Ukraine, did not hear ...

        Well sho, I'm sorry, to know your interest at the appropriate level. repeat
        My interests in business on the Ruin are limited to just the "NASH" channel, created by him, and there is only Muraev, who is the only one who gives hour-long programs in Russian. Although, of course, he sheds tears for independence, he calls for common sense. request Very clever right cute contra. They say he could have prevented the arrival of Zeleni, but he destroyed the coalition by withdrawing from it.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 19 July 2020 20: 52
          0
          Come on! So you haven't listened to Inter for a long time? There in Russian very often.
          But it’s easier for me - I know Ukrainian.
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 19 July 2020 20: 54
            0
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            So you haven't listened to Inter for a long time?

            Motto: "Never!" (from the word at all)
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 19 July 2020 20: 58
              0
              Well, then, let's not talk about levels. If you follow a minor channel and judge all media, then I'm sorry ...
            2. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 19 July 2020 21: 02
              0
              The channel began broadcasting in 2018? !! And you consider him a beacon in the kingdom of darkness? And it also belongs to Muraev ?!
              All. I have no more questions ....
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 20 July 2020 05: 59
                0
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                And do you consider him a lamp in the kingdom of darkness?

                hi I don’t count anything! Just one entry point is clear and adequate. And it’s not serious to look for the pearls of truth in a pile of informational (sorry) shit in the SMRAD system (decoding by Fursov AI). hi
                Well then, let's not talk about levels.
                Yes, just a joke of humor. What is the level with one channel? request
                and judge all the media
                Judge on SMRAD Ruins necessary? With the aim of? recourse
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 July 2020 09: 58
    +2
    The ex-deputy believes that Ukraine has actually abandoned the reintegration of Donbass and claims to return Crimea.
    Muraev stated the obvious.
    1. Guba
      Guba 19 July 2020 10: 30
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      The ex-deputy believes that Ukraine has actually abandoned the reintegration of Donbass and claims to return Crimea.
      Muraev stated the obvious.

      An example is taken from the Western ex .. After the resignation, I start to speak such sensible thoughts, they are really amazing)))))
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 19 July 2020 10: 34
        +1
        Guba Today, 10:30
        +1
        Quote: aszzz888
        The ex-deputy believes that Ukraine has actually abandoned the reintegration of Donbass and claims to return Crimea.
        Muraev stated the obvious.

        An example is taken from Western ex.After my resignation, I begin to speak such sensible thoughts, they are really amazing)))))
        It is what it is. However, in that pack there are also adequate non-comrades. I think the elections in Merikatosia will show a lot. Because the unnecessary one sits on the twine, and this cannot last long. Or fall down or disperse at the seams. wink
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 19 July 2020 20: 47
      0
      All wrong.
      Ukraine actually abandoned the reintegration of Donbass and claims for the return of Crimea.
      fool Ukraine does not need people, but it will never give up its territories; it also wants to take it from us.
  5. Irek
    Irek 19 July 2020 10: 00
    +1
    Whether it will still be, you will be left with what you came to the USSR with.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 19 July 2020 10: 13
      +2
      And here I do not agree. Our hand-guides are delaying something with LDNR. It was crucial to resolve the issue in 2014; then both Zhdanov and Odessa would not only be Russian.
      1. Guba
        Guba 19 July 2020 11: 02
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        And here I do not agree. Our hand-guides are delaying something with LDNR. It was crucial to resolve the issue in 2014; then both Zhdanov and Odessa would not only be Russian.

        I gave you a plus (I was like that myself) And yet, Thank God that we didn't go for it ..
        There would be a lot of blood and in general .. Ukraine now looks like a jar of spiders, it is interesting to watch. Let them feel everything that they have done and to remember for a hundred years. angry
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 19 July 2020 12: 03
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        had to decide

        History has no subjunctive mood.
        "Minced meat cannot be turned back
        And you can't restore meat from cutlets. "
        1. Guba
          Guba 19 July 2020 14: 08
          -1
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: 210ox
          had to decide

          History has no subjunctive mood.
          "Minced meat cannot be turned back
          And you can't restore meat from cutlets. "

          Heh heh .. good Exactly !
  6. beeper
    beeper 19 July 2020 10: 03
    +1
    Well, yes, the Kiev "maidan authorities" and their Washington masters REFUSED (and, right away !!!) FROM THE RESIDENTS of Crimea and Donbass!
    BUT NOT FROM THE TERRITORY OF Crimea and Donbass- about this Kiev constantly sting and pester! winked
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 July 2020 10: 07
    -2
    Yes, there are Kharkov and Odessa tongue IMHO, the "Novorossiya" project killed the Strelkov, climbed with his gang where they did not ask, and caused "early crystallization" in the then VNA brine. But history has no subjunctive mood ...
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 19 July 2020 11: 24
      -1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      the project "Novorossiya" was killed by Strelkov

      I remember the project "Novorossiya". Deng give and not clothes. This is just the Ragul project of Novorossia. Actually, on the raguli from the Ivan the Great bell tower, for all your inquiries, I cocoaed with surprise. Such houses were burnt and all different kinds of Moscow homeless people cleaned up long ago. Just business, nothing personal
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 19 July 2020 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Yes, there are both Kharkov and Odessa IMHO, the "Novorossiya" project killed the Shooters, climbed with his gang where they did not ask, and caused "early crystallization" in the then VNA brine.

      You are VERY wrong! If he was given the opportunity to reach the end, then Donetsk and Lugansk regions (at least) would be really free. And how many would join them ..... And the losses would be much less. At least due to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not have so much weapons and forces at that time.
  8. Poetry
    Poetry 19 July 2020 10: 14
    +2
    Of course, he’s no brother to us,
    The one who used to be dearer than everyone.
    Turns the snout, I'm not glad to see us,
    Swearing on his lips, no longer laughing.

    The one that was a brother to us
    The one who was nearby all the time
    With weapons, he later came to Donbass,
    Like a fascist, with a punitive detachment.

    The one with whom the enemies were in common,
    Who is with us of the same Faith
    Already changed shoes in other boots,
    Jumps already under the flags of Bandera.

    Now he’s like a dog of the chain,
    It has a lot of anger, and a lot of falsity,
    He does not remember: what is the price paid?
    Coins step in the German old march.

    Of course, this one is not our brother!
    The one that I write about in my lines.
    He spilled our blood already by the river,
    After all, this is our blood on his hands.

    Our brother was not an enemy vassal,
    Now he only wants our death,
    Not the brother who sold us for fat!
    People we are. And we are not brothers of these devils.

    2019 Kingisepp
  9. Tusv
    Tusv 19 July 2020 11: 01
    0
    Not actually A De jure and de facto. The question of borders. Personally, I insist to move the border from these oddballs to closer to Canada, where the islands are not inhabited in bulk. They brought Hohland, what else for peas and with the batogs of these Porasyuk
  10. georggy
    georggy 19 July 2020 11: 09
    +2
    Because both K and D have never been outskirts.
  11. Junior Private
    Junior Private 19 July 2020 11: 24
    +3
    Banderolozhtsy cannot refuse the "war with Russia", under which democracies allocate money, which is successfully cut from both the lender and the borrower. Ukraine is the most common business, and everyone who is financially interested in it frankly does not care about Ukrainians.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 19 July 2020 11: 43
      +1
      Quote: Junior Private
      Ukraine is the most ordinary business

      Not. It's getting worse. To return to the bosom of Russia, this economy destroyed by the Yankees and can be retired at 100 years
  12. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 19 July 2020 11: 40
    +3
    Quote: Guba
    Quote: aszzz888
    The ex-deputy believes that Ukraine has actually abandoned the reintegration of Donbass and claims to return Crimea.
    Muraev stated the obvious.

    An example is taken from the Western ex .. After the resignation, I start to speak such sensible thoughts, they are really amazing)))))

    well, with Muraev, we must pay tribute to him, the history of adequate thinking and healthy pragmatism is primordial, well, that is, he says sensible things initially and he needs to change his shoes unnecessarily)))) In Ukraine, he is considered a 5th column and a pro-Russian politician
  13. iouris
    iouris 19 July 2020 13: 40
    0
    Muraev, this has not been a question for a long time and there is no need to do this, you must deal with regime change in Kiev, but you, unfortunately, are not capable of this.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      19 July 2020 17: 14
      +1
      Changed already, but what's the point?
  14. 23424636
    23424636 19 July 2020 13: 46
    0
    Muraev says everything very competently. And it seems that the Dnepropetrovsk synagogue in power simply does not know how to row either to or from the Donbass. Well, accept these amendments to the Constitution and what’s next, what kind of elections are there, and what elections will establish the order for the further existence of the republics or their closure. That is. the very formulation of the question of the next step is not even predicted stupidly rested that Ukraine is only a unitary. but even to compare the west and east are two big differences. It's just that the people in power are busy making money quickly, and the rest is all a waste and so for 30 years.
    1. iouris
      iouris 20 July 2020 15: 03
      0
      Quote: 23424636
      Muraev speaks everything very competently

      Good job. Only he will not be able to do it, because this whole freak show (or politicum) has given everything that he could have long been given into the wrong hands. Muraev is a screen.
  15. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 19 July 2020 19: 00
    +1
    E. Muraev, is turning or has already turned into a "party oppositionist" - the party of the PLO is in the "opposition" and that is enough, but the "fight against the regime" is being conducted nominally. You can see how it fights against the PPSh regime (Sharia's party) - campaigning for the PPSh party in the provinces and Kiev, revealing the crimes of officials and Zero itself (V. Zelensky) ... The war in Donbass and "memories of Crimea" are needed by the authorities in Kiev as a justification for their existence and a distraction of the attention of the inhabitants of Ukraine.
    1. iouris
      iouris 20 July 2020 15: 08
      0
      All "propositioners" and "oppositionists" are puppets in the Karabas-Barabas theater. They are stupid, and therefore they continue to do what they do. But Karabas-Barabas has "everything under control." In American translation, control is "control".