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Former Rada deputy: Ukraine actually abandoned Crimea and Donbass

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Over the past six years, Kiev has done everything possible to make Crimea and Donbass abandon the idea of ​​returning to Ukraine. At the same time, the Ukrainian authorities are persistently instilling in the country a feeling of hatred for the Donbass.


This was told by a former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, Yevgeny Muraev, in an interview with Ukrainian TV channel Nash.

The ex-deputy believes that Ukraine has actually abandoned the reintegration of Donbass and claims to return Crimea. He believes that Kiev simply does not want to take on social benefits for residents of these regions.


In order to make it impossible to return its former territories, Kiev uses a variety of methods. Among them are language and religious policies, as well as negative rhetoric directed at citizens living in these regions. Muraev believes that Ukraine has abandoned its citizens to fend for themselves:

Ukraine refused, referring to the conventions, something else, shifting from a sore head to a healthy one, just so as not to pay money to its citizens - to save money.


After visiting Donbass and talking with its residents, the former deputy came to the conclusion that they had run out of illusions in relation to the Kiev authorities. After all, these people know perfectly well where shells and mines are flying into their homes.
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  1. sav
    sav 19 July 2020 09: 47 New
    +4
    In Ukraine, they simply do not know what to do.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 19 July 2020 10: 08 New
      +3
      So they will be prompted. From across the ocean.
      1. Guba
        Guba 19 July 2020 10: 27 New
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        So they will be prompted. From across the ocean.

        Bloody clues something Dim ..
        Ukraine actually abandoned Crimea and Donbass

        From Donbass, when I started to fire from heavy artillery towns and cities ..
        From Crimea, when electricity and water were cut off ..
        And Russia does not refuse Kiev and is waiting for the right moment to ask ..
        WHY is this with us?
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 19 July 2020 10: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: sav
      In Ukraine, they simply do not know what to do.

      Да всё они знают."Шо нэ зьим то понадкусую." Вот и весь принцип по которому всё там и происходит.
  2. Alien From
    Alien From 19 July 2020 09: 49 New
    +5
    It's already sick of this Kiev!
    1. Guba
      Guba 19 July 2020 10: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: Alien From
      It's already sick of this Kiev!

      I would correct a little .. I'm sick not of Kiev, but of Bandera and others who have settled there as a result of a bloody coup.
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 19 July 2020 10: 42 New
        +7
        Я тоже поправлял, поправлял... А теперь вижу - поправлять нет смысла. И делить украинцев на "хороших" и "плохих"(бандеровцев) тоже нет смысла. Все они прекрасно видели, какая зараза идёт из Галичины. И никто из них не почесaлся, чтобы ее остановить. Даже когда она не имела силы. А сейчас бандеровцы обнаглели настолько, что запретили образование на русском языке. И опять никто не чешется. Значит, с Украиной покончено. Больше я их на хороших и плохих не делю. И кровавый переворот - это следствие опустившегося общества. Они сами всё это позволили.
        1. Guba
          Guba 19 July 2020 10: 52 New
          -3
          Quote: Pavel73
          All of them perfectly saw what kind of infection comes from Galicia. And none of them scratched themselves to stop her. Even when she had no power. And now the Bandera members have become so insolent that they banned education in Russian. And again, no one itches. This means that Ukraine is over. I do not divide them into good and bad. And a bloody coup is a consequence of a sinking society. They themselves allowed it all

          Nothing to argue .. Just sigh and grit your teeth.
          Менталитет сработал "Моя хата с краю и сало лучше перепрятать.." hi
          And now it begins like this .. laughing

          so what to do with them?
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 19 July 2020 10: 59 New
            +2
            Да... Ту правда есть один момент. Даже у тех, которые галичане, на подкорках, на подсознательном уровне сидит тот факт, что мы все живём рядом и на одном континенте. И от войны, злобы и противостояния хреново-тo всем. Причем им самим куда хуже, чем нам. Главная бандеровская свoлочь - это украинская диаспора США и Канады. Вот они из-за океана гадят, абсолютно на за что не отвечая, и ничего не опасаясь. Сдается мне, что и на "майдан" главные провокаторы понаехали именно оттуда.
            1. Guba
              Guba 19 July 2020 12: 39 New
              -3
              Quote: Pavel73
              Главная бандеровская свoлочь - это украинская диаспора США и Канады. Вот они из-за океана гадят, абсолютно на за что не отвечая, и ничего не опасаясь. Сдается мне, что и на "майдан" главные провокаторы понаехали именно оттуда.

              That's right, but the locals were also waiting for the moment .. They also came in large numbers to us in Russia, but only they did not kneel in front of them and ignored them in every possible way ..
              The same Solzhenitsyn (Russia thought he would meet him with Aviation) Or Pozner from TV sets in the 80-90s and now doesn’t get poison pouring water on everyone and everyone ..
              This is how things are going .. There will be MANY to answer!
              Putin of course poisoned terribly, supposedly do not try to undermine the system ..
              Well, there will be no Putin, there will be another who will clean up Russia and the territory, but already tougher .. Wait, I smell the genes.! wink
          2. Ros 56
            Ros 56 19 July 2020 13: 02 New
            +1
            Like that, chopping off one at a time, and not help, then the head. This is not me bloodthirsty, this is dialectics. Nobody offered to hold philosophical conversations with the Nazis about good and evil, they themselves went to this and the Banderlog is no better.
      2. Alien From
        Alien From 19 July 2020 11: 56 New
        +1
        Exactly!
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 July 2020 09: 55 New
    +4
    The news title does not match the information.
    Former Rada deputy: Ukraine actually abandoned Crimea and Donbass
    Более чем не понятно. Крым и Донбасс это земля, которой Украина будет с большой выгодой торговать. И вдруг отказаться, "дагом"(Вини-Пух)? fool
    Over the past six years, Kiev has done everything possible to make Crimea and Donbass abandon the idea of ​​returning to Ukraine
    This is understandable and a hedgehog. Muraev - well done, although of course not for ours.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 19 July 2020 15: 04 New
      -1
      And the deputy former.
      And the channel is such that even I, who is interested in affairs in Ukraine, did not hear ...
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 19 July 2020 20: 44 New
        -1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And the channel is such that even I, who is interested in affairs in Ukraine, did not hear ...

        Well sho, I'm sorry, to know your interest at the appropriate level. repeat
        Мои интересы по делам на Руине, ограничиваются как раз, только каналом "НАШ", им и созданный,а там только Мураев, кто единственный дает часовые программы на русском. Хотя конечно, льет слезы за незалежность, но призывает к здравому смыслу. request Very clever right cute contra. They say he could have prevented the arrival of Zeleni, but he destroyed the coalition by withdrawing from it.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 19 July 2020 20: 52 New
          0
          Да ладно! То есть "Интер" давно не слушали? Там на русском очень часто.
          But it’s easier for me - I know Ukrainian.
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 19 July 2020 20: 54 New
            0
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            То есть "Интер" давно не слушали?

            Девиз: "Никогда!" (от слова совсем)
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 19 July 2020 20: 58 New
              0
              Well, then, let's not talk about levels. If you follow a minor channel and judge all media, then I'm sorry ...
            2. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 19 July 2020 21: 02 New
              0
              The channel began broadcasting in 2018? !! And you consider him a beacon in the kingdom of darkness? And it also belongs to Muraev ?!
              All. I have no more questions ....
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 20 July 2020 05: 59 New
                0
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                And do you consider him a lamp in the kingdom of darkness?

                hi I don’t count anything! Just one entry point is clear and adequate. And it’s not serious to look for the pearls of truth in a pile of informational (sorry) shit in the SMRAD system (decoding by Fursov AI). hi
                Well then, let's not talk about levels.
                Yes, just a joke of humor. What is the level with one channel? request
                and judge all the media
                Judge on SMRAD Ruins necessary? With the aim of? recourse
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 July 2020 09: 58 New
    +2
    The ex-deputy believes that Ukraine has actually abandoned the reintegration of Donbass and claims to return Crimea.
    Muraev stated the obvious.
    1. Guba
      Guba 19 July 2020 10: 30 New
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      The ex-deputy believes that Ukraine has actually abandoned the reintegration of Donbass and claims to return Crimea.
      Muraev stated the obvious.

      An example is taken from the Western ex .. After the resignation, I start to speak such sensible thoughts, they are really amazing)))))
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 19 July 2020 10: 34 New
        +1
        Guba Today, 10:30
        +1
        Quote: aszzz888
        The ex-deputy believes that Ukraine has actually abandoned the reintegration of Donbass and claims to return Crimea.
        Muraev stated the obvious.

        An example is taken from Western ex.After my resignation, I begin to speak such sensible thoughts, they are really amazing)))))
        It is what it is. However, in that pack there are also adequate non-comrades. I think the elections in Merikatosia will show a lot. Because the unnecessary one sits on the twine, and this cannot last long. Or fall down or disperse at the seams. wink
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 19 July 2020 20: 47 New
      0
      All wrong.
      Ukraine actually abandoned the reintegration of Donbass and claims for the return of Crimea.
      fool Ukraine does not need people, but it will never give up its territories; it also wants to take it from us.
  5. Irek
    Irek 19 July 2020 10: 00 New
    +1
    Whether it will still be, you will be left with what you came to the USSR with.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 19 July 2020 10: 13 New
      +2
      And here I do not agree. Our hand-guides are delaying something with LDNR. It was crucial to resolve the issue in 2014; then both Zhdanov and Odessa would not only be Russian.
      1. Guba
        Guba 19 July 2020 11: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        And here I do not agree. Our hand-guides are delaying something with LDNR. It was crucial to resolve the issue in 2014; then both Zhdanov and Odessa would not only be Russian.

        I gave you a plus (I was like that myself) And yet, Thank God that we didn't go for it ..
        There would be a lot of blood and in general .. Ukraine now looks like a jar of spiders, it is interesting to watch. Let them feel everything that they have done and to remember for a hundred years. angry
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 19 July 2020 12: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        had to decide

        History has no subjunctive mood.
        "Фарш невозможно провернуть назад
        И мясо из котлет не восстановишь".
        1. Guba
          Guba 19 July 2020 14: 08 New
          -1
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: 210ox
          had to decide

          History has no subjunctive mood.
          "Фарш невозможно провернуть назад
          И мясо из котлет не восстановишь".

          Heh heh .. good Exactly !
  6. beeper
    beeper 19 July 2020 10: 03 New
    +1
    Ну да, ОТКАЗАЛИСЬ( причём, сразу же!!!) киевские "майданные власти" и их вашингтонские хозяева ОТ ЖИТЕЛЕЙ Крыма и Донбасса!
    BUT NOT FROM THE TERRITORY OF Crimea and Donbass- about this Kiev constantly sting and pester! winked
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 July 2020 10: 07 New
    -2
    Yes, there are Kharkov and Odessa tongue ИМХО, проект "Новороссия" погубил Стрелков, со своей бандой полез, куда не просили, и вызвал "раннюю кристаллизацию" в тогдашнем рассоле ВНА. Но история не имеет сослагательного наклонения...
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 19 July 2020 11: 24 New
      -1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      проект "Новороссия" погубил Стрелков

      Помню помню проект "Новороссия". Денг дай а не шмотки. Это как раз рагульский проект Новороссии Собственно на рагулей с колокольни Ивана Великого на все ваши запросы я сурпулезно какал. Таких домсгорел и всяо разно московские бомжи давно зачистили. Просто бизнес,ни чего личного
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 19 July 2020 12: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Да там и Харьков, и Одесса ИМХО, проект "Новороссия" погубил Стрелков, со своей бандой полез, куда не просили, и вызвал "раннюю кристаллизацию" в тогдашнем рассоле ВНА.

      You are VERY wrong! If he was given the opportunity to reach the end, then Donetsk and Lugansk regions (at least) would be really free. And how many would join them ..... And the losses would be much less. At least due to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not have so much weapons and forces at that time.
  8. Poetry
    Poetry 19 July 2020 10: 14 New
    +2
    Of course, he’s no brother to us,
    The one who used to be dearer than everyone.
    Turns the snout, I'm not glad to see us,
    Swearing on his lips, no longer laughing.

    The one that was a brother to us
    The one who was nearby all the time
    With weapons, he later came to Donbass,
    Like a fascist, with a punitive detachment.

    The one with whom the enemies were in common,
    Who is with us of the same Faith
    Already changed shoes in other boots,
    Jumps already under the flags of Bandera.

    Now he’s like a dog of the chain,
    It has a lot of anger, and a lot of falsity,
    He does not remember: what is the price paid?
    Coins step in the German old march.

    Of course, this one is not our brother!
    The one that I write about in my lines.
    He spilled our blood already by the river,
    After all, this is our blood on his hands.

    Our brother was not an enemy vassal,
    Now he only wants our death,
    Not the brother who sold us for fat!
    People we are. And we are not brothers of these devils.

    2019 Kingisepp
  9. Tusv
    Tusv 19 July 2020 11: 01 New
    0
    Not actually A De jure and de facto. The question of borders. Personally, I insist to move the border from these oddballs to closer to Canada, where the islands are not inhabited in bulk. They brought Hohland, what else for peas and with the batogs of these Porasyuk
  10. georggy
    georggy 19 July 2020 11: 09 New
    +2
    Because both K and D have never been outskirts.
  11. Junior Private
    Junior Private 19 July 2020 11: 24 New
    +3
    Бандероложцы не могут отказаться от "войны с Россией", под которую демократии выделяют деньги, успешно распиливаемые со сторон и кредитора и заемщика. Украина - это самый обычный бизнес, и всем финансово заинтересованным в нем, откровенно плевать на украинцев.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 19 July 2020 11: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Junior Private
      Ukraine is the most ordinary business

      Not. It's getting worse. To return to the bosom of Russia, this economy destroyed by the Yankees and can be retired at 100 years
  12. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 19 July 2020 11: 40 New
    +3
    Quote: Guba
    Quote: aszzz888
    The ex-deputy believes that Ukraine has actually abandoned the reintegration of Donbass and claims to return Crimea.
    Muraev stated the obvious.

    An example is taken from the Western ex .. After the resignation, I start to speak such sensible thoughts, they are really amazing)))))

    well, with Muraev, we must pay tribute to him, the history of adequate thinking and healthy pragmatism is primordial, well, that is, he says sensible things initially and he needs to change his shoes unnecessarily)))) In Ukraine, he is considered a 5th column and a pro-Russian politician
  13. iouris
    iouris 19 July 2020 13: 40 New
    0
    Muraev, this has not been a question for a long time and there is no need to do this, you must deal with regime change in Kiev, but you, unfortunately, are not capable of this.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      19 July 2020 17: 14 New
      +1
      Changed already, but what's the point?
  14. 23424636
    23424636 19 July 2020 13: 46 New
    0
    Muraev says everything very competently. And it seems that the Dnepropetrovsk synagogue in power simply does not know how to row either to or from the Donbass. Well, accept these amendments to the Constitution and what’s next, what kind of elections are there, and what elections will establish the order for the further existence of the republics or their closure. That is. the very formulation of the question of the next step is not even predicted stupidly rested that Ukraine is only a unitary. but even to compare the west and east are two big differences. It's just that the people in power are busy making money quickly, and the rest is all a waste and so for 30 years.
    1. iouris
      iouris 20 July 2020 15: 03 New
      0
      Quote: 23424636
      Muraev speaks everything very competently

      Good job. Only he will not be able to do it, because this whole freak show (or politicum) has given everything that he could have long been given into the wrong hands. Muraev is a screen.
  15. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 19 July 2020 19: 00 New
    +1
    Е. Мураев, превращается или уже превратился в "партийного оппозиционера" - партия ОПЗЖ в "оппозиции" и этого достаточно, а "борьба с режимом" ведётся номинально. Можно посмотреть как борется с режимом ППШ (партия Шария) - агитация за партию ППШ на местах в глубинке и Киеве, выявление преступлений чиновников и самого "Зеро" (В. Зеленский)… Война на Донбассе и "воспоминания о Крыме" нужны власти в Киеве как оправдание своего существования и отвлечение внимания жителей украины.
    1. iouris
      iouris 20 July 2020 15: 08 New
      0
      Все "пропозиционеры" и "оппозиционеры" - марионетки в театре Карабаса-Барабаса. Они глупы, и потому продолжают делать то, что они делают. Но у Карабаса-Барабаса "всё под контролем". В переводе американского control - это "управление".