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Putin's article on the causes of World War II haunts the Western press

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An article by Russian President Vladimir Putin on the causes of World War II still haunts the Western press. Indeed, in his article, the head of the Russian state recalled very uncomfortable and unpleasant moments for the West, including the United States. Inconvenient facts have to be commented on in the press of Poland, Germany, the USA, and the Baltic republics.


Putin's article: the West is to blame for the war


In his article, Putin criticized the system of inter-war diplomacy based on the dominance of the victorious Western powers in international politics, primarily Britain and France. Although the very idea of ​​collective security and the creation of the League of Nations were progressive, in practice the West ignored the calls of the Soviet Union to sign pacts on Eastern Europe and the Pacific.

According to Putin, the League of Nations ignored the aggressive actions of Italy against Ethiopia, Japan against China, the civil war in Spain, the Anschluss of Austria and, finally, the Munich agreement, which resulted in the partition of Czechoslovakia.

It is worth noting here that история The Munich conspiracy is a painful topic for the West, as it perfectly shows who and how actually set the stage for Nazi aggression in Eastern Europe. Western powers, without a twinge of conscience, gave Hitler little Czechoslovakia to eat, and Poland also actively participated in the division of Czechoslovakia, which a year later itself became a victim of Nazi Germany’s aggression and is now trying to present itself as the most affected country in World War II. Meanwhile, the Western powers in 1938 had every opportunity to stop the division of Czechoslovakia, especially if they acted together with the USSR.

Hitlerite Germany did not yet have the resources to start a war on two fronts at once. But for the West at that time, it was a much more important task to direct Hitler east, against the Soviet Union, and for such a purpose the UK and France were ready to sacrifice "Czechoslovak democracy", Austria and anything else. Of course, it’s very inconvenient to talk about such behavior right now, because many questions immediately arise for Western countries, as well as for Poland, which at the beginning of World War II blames not only Germany, but also the Soviet Union.



Why the West is benefiting from a revision of World War II


If you think about it, then Vladimir Putin is absolutely right when he dwells on the role of the West itself in provoking the Second World War. The discourse on revising the outcome of the war in the West is popular precisely because the Western powers want to relinquish the moral responsibility that lies with them after the Munich agreement and present an “alternative”, but really just false history of events 80 years ago, in which Stalinism is identified with Hitlerism, and between the USSR and Germany put an equal sign.

After such "dehumanization" of the Soviet Union, Russia ceases to be regarded as a state that has "exclusive rights" to defeat Germany. Accordingly, the only and genuine winner of fascism begins to be considered only the Western world, which includes, as if in a mockery of common sense, even those countries that assisted Hitler.

It looks especially funny when Poland invites representatives of Germany to celebrations, and does not invite the Russian side, and no one in the West is surprised at such a strange choice: for Washington, London, Brussels, the main thing is current political interests, for the sake of which you can not only distort individual facts , but also completely rewrite the history of the twentieth century.
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  1. anjey
    anjey 16 July 2020 16: 16 New
    -2
    What's new in this article? For many in the world, these are common truths.
    1. Civil
      Civil 16 July 2020 17: 38 New
      -21
      about the causes of World War II haunts the Western press

      And it really does not give us rest ... the new Constitution has already fallen from my hands, that I can’t calculate how much I need to save for retirement by 70 years. Or by the year 72, judging by the dying fluttering of the remnants of the Soviet economy ...
    2. snake
      snake 16 July 2020 19: 07 New
      -15
      Quote: anjey
      What's new in this article?

      This one is nothing new. But it is believed that Putin is thus trying to get out of the sanctions, intimidating the West. They say - the West hounded Germany - got the Third Reich and World War. And now the West is jamming Russia with sanctions. Therefore, Putin is kind of hinting that "no need to joke with the war".
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 16 July 2020 19: 18 New
        +8
        What are the sanctions? Putin stirred up a hornet's nest. They understand very well that he showed their true role at that time.
        Here a more global goal is not to rewrite history And show the true instigators of the war and those who went to the East in the ranks of the Wehrmacht and whose industry worked for the Reich
        1. snake
          snake 16 July 2020 19: 23 New
          -3
          Quote: To be or not to be
          Here a more global goal is not to allow history to be rewritten

          Who should not be given? In the West, they will write as they want. And the films they need to be removed. You might think the Europeans would say: "Oh, wow! What a bad thing we are!" Russians are not blacks. They repent and won't kiss our feet.
          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 16 July 2020 19: 32 New
            +4
            earlier Suvorov reminded Europe of its place with campaigns Now, for now, at least so do not allow rewriting
            1. snake
              snake 16 July 2020 19: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: To be or not to be
              For now, at least so do not allow rewriting

              How "even so"? Monuments to Soviet soldiers and generals are being demolished throughout "grateful" Europe. They have already decided for themselves who won, whom they won, why and why they won.
      2. Rakovor
        Rakovor 16 July 2020 19: 34 New
        +9
        Did the West "hound" Germany? What are you talking about? The West fully supported Hitler in the flesh before his attack on Poland.
        1. snake
          snake 16 July 2020 19: 39 New
          -1
          Quote: Rakovor
          Did the West "hound" Germany? What are you talking about?

          About the humiliation of Germany after WWI.
    3. Yura
      Yura 17 July 2020 08: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: anjey
      What's new in this article? For many in the world, these are common truths.

      I read the comments at this moment, the conclusion is that the new here is that over the past 30 years, the position of the state by its President was officially officially reflected for the first time, this position is a reflection of the state’s further policy. The President of Russia expressed his point of view on the question of Western attempts to rewrite history, this point of view is supported by evidence, otherwise the demonization of Russia by the West would not be stopped, the result of which should be a further escalation of pressure on our country politically, economically, and subsequently militarily. Putin is not a historian, for this there are professional historians, professional archival workers, as well as analysts, our president is our face, whether someone likes it or not, it does not change anything. That is, the President of Russia contrasted the opinion of our country with the almost collective opinion of the West and the United States, which means that the country is able and ready to defend it - this is the meaning of his article and a warning to the West, which began to lie and believed in its own lies, forgetting how the Second World War ended how can it begin, but the third will end the same.
      1. Machito
        Machito 19 July 2020 13: 19 New
        +1
        As the investigators say: Look for who benefits from it. The USA benefited from WWII. They subsidized Germany and supplied the technical equipment of the USSR, including Christie tanks, in order to put us in war and nullify the whole of Eurasia, and become the hegemon themselves. The United States provoked Japan into the war by imposing an oil embargo on it, depriving their economy of fuel. Imagine what a howl will rise in Europe if we cut off the supply of gas, oil and coal to them?
        So, Putin needs to directly call a spade a spade: the Second World War was unleashed by the United States.
        1. Yura
          Yura 19 July 2020 13: 33 New
          0
          Quote: Bearded
          So, Putin needs to directly call a spade a spade: the Second World War was unleashed by the United States.

          Maybe it will come to this, which is what the United States is afraid of, while ours kept diplomatic tact, trying to adhere to the ethics of international relations, they are all rude, at this time all the edges have crossed, it's time to put them in their place, if they don't understand, Russia will do it harshly , I hope so
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 20 July 2020 10: 50 New
            -1
            Russia will make it tough, I hope so,
            Is it like their children and their families will be recalled from there? Or will he express concern again?
  2. Basil50
    Basil50 16 July 2020 16: 19 New
    10
    Well, the strange thing is that in Europe they lie about WWII. They, well, perhaps, apart from the British, were all Nazis. Who fought, who fed, who served the Nazis. So today's leaders of Europe will lie about their fathers-grandfathers who faithfully served Hitler and will try to forget about what these fathers-grandfathers did by destroying the SOVIET UNION and killing SOVIET PEOPLE only for the promise to cut them colonies with slaves.
    Of the entire Nazi ideology, the most attractive to Europeans was absolute impunity for bestiality, robbery and murder.
    By the way, today this idea is cultivated in Europe. No wonder they dream of dividing RUSSIA and the former republics. The Baltic states are also considered as slaves to the earth.
    1. LMN
      LMN 16 July 2020 16: 50 New
      +2
      Well, the strange thing is that in Europe they lie about WWII. They, well, perhaps, apart from the British, were all Nazis.

      How soft you are with the British .. recourse

      There are direct questions to England. Why, for example, the second man in Germany flew to England, not long before the start of WWII, and what he and Churchill talked about. And why England did not open a second front for so long.
      1. Avior
        Avior 16 July 2020 17: 55 New
        +4
        The second man flew to England after the outbreak of World War II to make peace with the British. But instead of concluding peace, he was planted and later handed over to the tribunal
        1. LMN
          LMN 16 July 2020 18: 11 New
          +1
          Negotiations were or not?

          What is the contradiction with my opinion?
          1. Avior
            Avior 16 July 2020 18: 21 New
            +4
            I just answered your question and tweaked the time
            You asked why you flew?
            1. The fact that he flew after the outbreak of war, and not before
            2 The purpose of his flight is known - to make peace with England
            3 I didn’t conclude, the English sent him as a criminal.
            1. LMN
              LMN 16 July 2020 18: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Avior
              I just answered your question and tweaked the time
              You asked why you flew?
              1. The fact that he flew after the outbreak of war, and not before
              2 The purpose of his flight is known - to make peace with England
              3 I didn’t conclude, the English sent him as a criminal.


              Apparently you initially did not understand the message of my message.
              Especially if this happened after the start of WWII.

              The very fact of the negotiations proves that another option is also allowed. It means they could not agree, they did not receive what they wanted.
              So what did they discuss?

              They put him in prison?)) He was arrested in England in 41 ?! belay
              Or after it became clear that the USSR would become the winner and it would decide who was guilty and who was not?
              1. Avior
                Avior 16 July 2020 19: 15 New
                +1
                You seem to have just a lack of information on the subject
                No one in England conducted any peace negotiations with him.
                The mission conceived by him was the most stupid one imaginable. Hitler, when he found out, ordered to hang immediately if he gets to the Germans.
                He was questioned by the British in order to pump information.
                He himself proved to be such a jerk that at first no one could believe that this was not some cunning, insidious plan, but an absurd invention of one fool.
                He himself was detained in England as a prisoner of war, a high-ranking official, it is clear how this is established, generals are distinguished between ordinary and ordinary prisoners.
                After the war and other prisoners of war accused of crimes, transferred to the tribunal.
                Everything is clear and understandable
                When you read Hess’s story, it’s just hard to believe that he turned out to be a complete moron with bloated conceit

                https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гесс,_Рудольф
                1. LMN
                  LMN 16 July 2020 19: 27 New
                  -2
                  You seem to have just a lack of information on the subject

                  And you probably have enough info?
                  It remains only to envy your sources.

                  Aren't you confused by the very fact of negotiations with Hitler, at a time when Germany actually already had a clear plan of attack on the USSR?

                  I don't know, unlike you, what they were talking about.
                  But given the fact that for the next few years Britain did not actively participate on the Eastern Front, it prompts certain reflections. hi
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 16 July 2020 19: 43 New
                    0
                    Were there negotiations with Hitler?
                    Well, it’s you who have gone very far from reality.
                    Hess framed Hitler with a flight.
                    The Japanese and Italians could have suspected Hitler of separate negotiations with the British over Singapore and the Mediterranean.
                    The United States could have suspected the British of wanting to make peace with the Germans. In the USSR, it was suspected for a long time that Hess had some kind of secret mission
                    Now the case has long been declassified, and from the documents it is clear that this is an absurd invention of a fool with ambitions.
                    Neither Hitler nor Gess was negotiating peace, so there’s nothing to discuss here.
                    England did not participate on the Eastern Front, she had her own.
                    They actively fought.
                    But on the other hand, you like conspiracy theories - well, everyone has their own addictions
                    hi
                    1. LMN
                      LMN 16 July 2020 20: 03 New
                      0
                      I still don't understand you.
                      What kind of conspiracy?
                      There is no desire to even debate, with your alternative approach ...

                      In the light of the policy that the RF is now advocating, your opinion deserves special attention. lol
                      You would be on federal channels)) Good luck! hi
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 16 July 2020 20: 49 New
                        -3
                        Conspirology is that you decided that the British negotiated peace with Hess, although there is no evidence from the word at all. But if this is your inner conviction, not built on facts, how can I reassure you?
                        Not only that, with Hess, you write that with Hitler!
                        If you have evidence of the negotiations of the British about the world, give a link, I will read it and I will discuss it with pleasure. And without this, what to discuss? Statements not supported by any facts?
                        These conspiracy theories roamed in the 90s and were based on the fact that not all Hessian Documents were declassified. About 5-10 years ago, they were declassified by fullness. And even the smallest evidence in them is negotiating with Hess. But many continue to retell them. I am not comfortable typing long texts from a small screen, and I see no reason to do this in a circle.
                        Do you have evidence of your statements about the negotiations - give me a link, I will answer.
                        Good luck
                        hi
                      2. LMN
                        LMN 16 July 2020 20: 54 New
                        -1
                        Do you want time on the federal channel?
                        You, as a storage medium, will get such an opportunity.

                        You are ready?
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 16 July 2020 21: 13 New
                        -2
                        We have a spoiled phone
                        I’m telling you one thing, I’ll answer another one, as if I weren’t answering me
                      4. LMN
                        LMN 16 July 2020 21: 25 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Avior
                        We have a spoiled phone
                        I’m telling you one thing, I’ll answer another one, as if I weren’t answering me

                        I offer you a direct connection with the population.
                        Why do you refuse?
                      5. Avior
                        Avior 16 July 2020 21: 43 New
                        -3
                        Load the oranges in barrels. Brothers Karamazov.
                        hi
                      6. LMN
                        LMN 16 July 2020 22: 29 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Avior
                        Load the oranges in barrels. Brothers Karamazov.
                        hi

                        We can write letters on VO, but on the TV channel Russia we speak weakly?))
                        What's the problem?
          2. anjey
            anjey 16 July 2020 21: 30 New
            +1
            Hess was not a fool, a simulator, yes, and they still didn’t let him out of Spandau, he was devoted to the Führer until the end of his life, this self-sacrificing flight carried a certain mission - we are fighting with you for cover, our main goal is Bolshevik Russia and you are not our enemies , we have common goals in the East, the Anglo-Saxons as always reinsured ten times, the more the Germans unofficially negotiated with the British before WWII, Hitler was unable to find the keys to the cunning Anglo-Saxon nutra, Hess was unrecognized and unofficial, but the most loyal Hitler’s envoy. And Hitler knew why and why he flew, betrayed to the marrow of his bones, to him Hitler, Hess ...
    2. Octopus
      Octopus 17 July 2020 07: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: LMN
      He was arrested at 41 in England ?!
      Or after it became clear that the USSR would become a winner

      Since May 13, the 41st year, Hess had the status of a prisoner of war.
      Quote: LMN
      The USSR will be the winner and it will decide who is guilty and who is not?

      The USSR, naturally, did not decide who was guilty and who was not. The very idea of ​​a "trial" over the leadership of another country, typically Soviet, surprised the British, but Roosevelt liked it.
      Quote: LMN
      The very fact of negotiations proves that another option is allowed.

      Naturally allowed. Hitler has said publicly many times that he does not need a war with England.
  • user1212
    user1212 17 July 2020 04: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Vasily50
    They, well, except perhaps the British, were all Nazis

    It's funny. The British are more Hitlerites than Hitler himself. Even the name "concentration camp" first appeared during the Boer War.
    Quote: Vasily50
    Of the entire Nazi ideology, the most attractive to Europeans was absolute impunity for bestiality, robbery and murder.

    This ideology has existed since the time of colonial empires. Hitler didn’t invent it
  • Alex66
    Alex66 16 July 2020 16: 35 New
    +9
    I would expect more from Putin in the article: who financed Adolf’s rise to power, who gave loans for the revival of industry and the army. It is no secret that for America the war turned out to be a salvation from the crisis, and the rest of the cap of the country expected it to be a war with the USSR in the first place. Now, if Putin shared classified information on these issues, it would be interesting.
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 16 July 2020 17: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: Alex66
      I would expect more from Putin in an article

      I think in this sense everything is still ahead. Here it is necessary to prepare the West for the main revelations.
      1. figwam
        figwam 16 July 2020 18: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Sergey39
        I think in this sense everything is still ahead.

        Yes, the more the West will spew lies, the more there will be facts about the actions of the parties in the pre-war time, it is not for nothing that Putin openly wondered about the secret parts of the pacts signed by the West with Hitler.
    2. A1845
      A1845 16 July 2020 17: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: Alex66
      who financed Adolf's rise to power
      who knew this will not tell anything
    3. Siberian54
      Siberian54 17 July 2020 07: 45 New
      -1
      There is an agreement of the states of the winners on the closure of the pre-war archives for 125 years .. The truth of the Russian Liberda revealed documents on the division of Poland ..
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 17 July 2020 08: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Siberian54
        There is an agreement of the states of the winners to close the pre-war archives for 125 years.

        What interesting news.
        1. Siberian54
          Siberian54 18 July 2020 08: 33 New
          0
          How do you explain that not a single winning country opens the Foreign Ministry archives of the thirties?
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 18 July 2020 08: 54 New
            +2
            Because any international treaties are approved by the Congress / House of Commons. And they are published.

            There were exceptions. With these exceptions, for example, Yalta, Roosevelt tried to sew high treason all Truman presidency.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 16 July 2020 16: 40 New
    +6
    Munich conspiracy, and present an “alternative”, but really just a false history of events 80 years ago
    This is what the West needs to be pecked constantly, daily and nightly.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 16 July 2020 16: 47 New
    -2
    "I am wise and great, read me, discuss me!" I can hear it all .. before claiming the laurels of a philosopher-thinker-historical guru - it would be worth first fulfilling at least part of the promises given to the people of our own country.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 16 July 2020 16: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      "I am wise and great, read me, discuss me!" I can hear it all .. before claiming the laurels of a philosopher-thinker-historical guru - it would be worth first fulfilling at least part of the promises given to the people of our own country.


      You yourself discuss it, he did not ask you, do not lie. And what you hear there is already a disease, you need to see a doctor. And you need to remind history so that your hands do not itch.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 16 July 2020 16: 55 New
        -8
        So I thought that on sabzh there is nothing to argue)
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 16 July 2020 16: 57 New
          +1
          And what objection to your sick fantasies? I told you, you need a doctor ... And teach a story, it will be useful
      2. Andy
        Andy 16 July 2020 17: 34 New
        0
        several years ago, answering a journalist from the Baltic states on his favorite and standard topic of occupation, he mumbled something inarticulate, showing complete ignorance of history, and then he wrote a hop and an article ... he already got this recipient of ancient amphoras
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 16 July 2020 17: 43 New
          +6
          Given that he is regularly asked questions about the occupation, it is impossible to say that he does not know this topic well. He has been asked such questions from the very first months of his presidency. I mumbled because I was so sick of this topic that it remains only to speak obscenities once Lavrov escaped. So I decided to lower the brakes. 20 years one and the same questions have been asked, how much is it possible?
          1. Andy
            Andy 16 July 2020 17: 52 New
            -2
            you contradict yourself. Above, say that they say that it should be reminded, but here they say that they say they are sick of explaining. if you, as head of state, are too lazy to clearly define your position, then the president’s chair does not suit you.
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 16 July 2020 18: 03 New
              +5
              No contradictions. Yes, I believe that this should be reminded constantly. But I am not Putin. I have my own opinion, he has his own. Top executives are required to be few and diplomats. And then the question is not that he is too lazy to indicate his position. he designated his position clearly and many times. Well zadolbali if! In this regard, it is significant how he gave an interview to an American journalist about three years ago. Unfortunately, I don’t remember her name. At some point, she simply freaked him out of herself with her stupid perseverance. What to do, he is still a living person.
            2. 1976AG
              1976AG 16 July 2020 18: 04 New
              +3
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiv3IQ1rIUY
              Interview Putin.
              1. Andy
                Andy 16 July 2020 18: 05 New
                0
                thanks, I will take a look
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 17 July 2020 08: 37 New
          -1
          Quote: Andy
          the standard topic of occupation, he mumbled something inarticulate

          So do not mumble something indistinct, but convey SPECIFIC "indistinct" words.
          1. Andy
            Andy 17 July 2020 08: 44 New
            0
            I had to watch the press conference of my idol. and take notes. rather than asking what he said
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 17 July 2020 09: 02 New
              -2
              Quote: Andy
              I had to watch the press conference of my idol. and take notes. rather than asking what he said

              belay lol
              It was YOU who stated about the "mumbled and indistinct", as it turned out, it was FALSE.

              I don’t know this.
          2. Andy
            Andy 17 July 2020 09: 03 New
            0
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ-clC43ifk любуйся заморышем. не знает что не в 39-м, а в 40м году. не знает что до пакта "молотова-риббентропа" подобные пакты были у германии с другими странами, что до этого был мюнхенский сговор и дележка челословакии. "историк" блин. но все равно мы себя осуждаем.
            1. Andy
              Andy 17 July 2020 09: 27 New
              0
              I wonder why I am forbidden to leave comments? it is at the same time a test for ban- will pass or not.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 17 July 2020 09: 28 New
              -3
              Quote: Andy
              He doesn’t know that not in the 39th, but in the 40th year.

              He clear and clear said that in 1918, as a result of Germany’s betrayal, they surrendered to the Baltic states, and in the 39th year Germany returned to the Baltic states of the USSR.
              Where declared .... mumble and slurred?
              Quote: Andy
              He knows that before the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, Germany had such pacts with other countries, that before that there was the Munich agreement and the carve-up of Cheloslovakia. "

              belay Where does this come from?
              1. Andy
                Andy 17 July 2020 09: 35 New
                0
                your "historian" writing articles confuses the 40th year of Estonia's entry into the USSR with the 39th. it's in the video. he does not know about the pacts of other countries, but he mentions that they have condemned themselves. but actually for what? he will hardly be able to say, another thing is to write an article ...
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 17 July 2020 09: 57 New
                  -5
                  Quote: Andy
                  your "historian" writing articles confuses the 40th year of Estonia's entry into the USSR with the 39th.

                  He does not confuse, but says in the context of EVERYTHING said: in 1918, as a result of German treason, they surrendered to the Baltic states, and in the 39th year, Germany RETURNED the Baltic states of the USSR.
                  Quote: Andy
                  ro pacts of other countries he does not know

                  There's no such thing.
                  Quote: Andy
                  he does not know, but he mentions that they themselves have condemned themselves. but actually for what? he is unlikely to be able to say, another thing is to write down an article ...

                  Your Ichich rejected secret agreements and branded it from the first days of the Thief. And here it is.
                  This was condemned.
                  1. Andy
                    Andy 17 July 2020 10: 03 New
                    0
                    Ale, the garage is 2.50 on entering 39 (!) in the USSR. probably he was drinking beer instead of studying as he says further
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 17 July 2020 10: 13 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Andy
                      Ale, garage - time 2.50 on entering 39 (!) in the USSR

                      the third time: in 1918, as a result of German treason, they surrendered to the Baltic states, and in the 39th year Germany VERNULA Baltic States the USSR
                      1. Andy
                        Andy 17 July 2020 10: 14 New
                        0
                        nda. and blind and deaf ... there’s nothing more to say
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 17 July 2020 11: 57 New
                        -5
                        Quote: Andy
                        nda. and blind and deaf ..

                        sympathize with you... hi
                        Quote: Andy
                        nothing to talk about

                        This is yes: you didn’t show either the mumbling, or the slurredness that you wrap up.
                        Empty CHAT.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 16 July 2020 17: 05 New
    +2
    The most interesting thing is that from the beginning they lashed themselves off with the Moscow Treaty of 1939, they say that they entered into a deal with Hitler, and now we prove that the West and the USA are to blame for starting a war, which is basically true ... It’s not clear what else it was necessary to whip yourself cheeks in front of the West ... and for a long time ...
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 16 July 2020 17: 16 New
      +6
      They hoped to establish good trade and economic relations with the West, but it turned out that the West did not need this. They need to divide and rule.
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 16 July 2020 18: 18 New
      -3
      The most interesting thing is that from the beginning they lashed themselves off with the Moscow Treaty of 1939, they say that they entered into a deal with Hitler, and now we prove that the West and the USA are to blame for starting a war, which is basically true ... It’s not clear what else it was necessary to whip yourself cheeks in front of the West ... and for a long time ...

      No one ever said that the USSR started the war. The whole world knew perfectly well - the aggressor of Hitler. In all cases.
      Recognized the existence of secret protocols.

      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 16 July 2020 18: 30 New
        +6
        “No one ever said that the war was unleashed by the USSR. The whole world knew perfectly well that Hitler was the aggressor. In all cases.
        Admitted to having secret protocols. "

        For some time now they began to assert that Hitler and Stalin were equally to blame for starting the war.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 16 July 2020 18: 50 New
          -2
          For some time now they began to assert that Hitler and Stalin were equally to blame for starting the war.

          I would not say that this is the collective opinion of the West.
          Vladimir Vladimirovich called the bastard and anti-Semitic pig Polish ambassador to the Third Reich, Jozef Lipsky:



          US Ambassador to Poland Georgette Mosbacher tweeted in response:


          (Dear President Putin, it was Hitler and Stalin who entered into a conspiracy to start World War II. This is a fact. Poland was the victim of this terrible conflict.)


          And we are already drawing far-reaching conclusions.
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 16 July 2020 18: 52 New
            +2
            No one said that this is the collective opinion of the West. Just such an interpretation began to sound more often.
  • Smirnoff
    Smirnoff 16 July 2020 17: 38 New
    11
    Who pleads guilty voluntarily?
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 16 July 2020 17: 53 New
    +3
    He went down to the bottom, flew with cranes, rode on viburnum. Now also a historian.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 16 July 2020 18: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: 7,62x54
      He went down to the bottom, flew with cranes, rode on viburnum. Now also a historian.


      If I had such an opportunity, I would also try all this.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 16 July 2020 19: 59 New
        -2
        The historian and his entourage are trying very hard to bring us all to the bottom. So one of your wishes is very feasible
      2. Octopus
        Octopus 17 July 2020 08: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: 1976AG
        I would also try all this.

        You sign up in the queue, they say, for the 36th year there is a coupon.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 17 July 2020 08: 50 New
      -1
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Now also a historian.

      He said nothing more than taught in conventional school.

      If for you this is .... a revelation, then your school was clearly special, for, yes ....

      so that we all end up at the bottom
      Why so?
      You swim beautifully. In the hole, yes ...
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 17 July 2020 08: 52 New
        +1
        You are directly working on a training manual, it is immediately visible. How much do trolls pay today?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 17 July 2020 09: 04 New
          -1
          Quote: 7,62x54
          You are directly working on a training manual, it is immediately visible. How much do trolls pay today?

          Can you refute something from the above, ignoramus?
          No?
          So what's your verbal garbage?
          1. 7,62h54
            7,62h54 17 July 2020 18: 45 New
            +3
            You are a liberal, and even a boor with a complete lack of at least primitive intelligence. Educated people do not behave like that. Minus you.
  • cniza
    cniza 16 July 2020 18: 02 New
    +5
    After such "dehumanization" of the Soviet Union, Russia ceases to be regarded as a state that has "exclusive rights" to defeat Germany. Accordingly, the only and genuine winner of fascism begins to be considered only the Western world, which includes, as if in a mockery of common sense, even those countries that assisted Hitler.


    And we don’t need to be silent, start criminal cases and prosecute all figures who begin to rewrite and blame the USSR and Russia.
    1. LMN
      LMN 16 July 2020 19: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: cniza
      After such "dehumanization" of the Soviet Union, Russia ceases to be regarded as a state that has "exclusive rights" to defeat Germany. Accordingly, the only and genuine winner of fascism begins to be considered only the Western world, which includes, as if in a mockery of common sense, even those countries that assisted Hitler.


      And we don’t need to be silent, start criminal cases and prosecute all figures who begin to rewrite and blame the USSR and Russia.


      On the one hand, I agree, and sometimes I really just want to take it and tough it out.

      But I have the opinion that Russia is now laying claim to one of the most democratic countries in the world!
      So many foreign agents, so much freedom of speech liberal, such control over the elections ... Can the authorities stop this all? Yes! At any moment. Also Navalny, well, is there no reason to close it? This is not done purposefully. what the Russian Federation was accused of, the Russian Federation used in its own interests.

      Now all this "democracy and freedom" is not hiding, but on the contrary, it sticks out for free viewing! laughing
      It's like a vaccination for the people))

      If we show by example that England is a "rat", then why engage in repression?
  • 123456789
    123456789 16 July 2020 20: 16 New
    -2
    Quote: 1976AG
    And what you hear there is already a disease, you need to see a doctor.

    A heifer comes to an appointment with a gynecologist, enters the office - there are three men in white
    robes.
    She grit - you know what a problem I have - I don't have an orgasm ...
    One says - well, let's try. She agrees and all three fry her
    I don't want to.
    How? - ask
    No way ...
    Yes, girl, then you really need to see a doctor!
    Who are you??????
    And here we whitewash, paint.
    Anecdote
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 16 July 2020 20: 31 New
    -2
    Well, after 7 years from the blessing of our distant education, our benefactor - Barin Gref, as well as the chief specialist in history. Even in Russia itself, they will forget how and why the war started. Everything goes to this. They themselves extort the history of the USSR.
  • 123456789
    123456789 16 July 2020 20: 49 New
    0
    about the causes of World War II

    The reasons were the global crisis of imperialism, the contradictions between labor and capital, etc., etc.
    And who declared war to someone?
    Hitler - England and France or are they Hitler?
    So they unleashed the Second World War in 1939!
    But the USSR became a victim of Hitler aggression in 1941 and has nothing to do with the outbreak of World War II!
    1. Bagatur
      Bagatur 16 July 2020 22: 29 New
      -10
      And what did the USSR do at the expense of its neighbors? Forget it Poland, Finland, the Baltic states .... The USSR also took its share!
      1. user1212
        user1212 17 July 2020 04: 22 New
        +5
        Quote: bagatura
        And what did the USSR do at the expense of its neighbors? Forget it Poland, Finland, the Baltic states ....

        And what did these neighbors do after the revolution to remind?
  • Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 16 July 2020 21: 45 New
    -3
    On the one hand, Putin, as a historian, is not interested, the weakness of this side is that it is in history that all acting potentials are contained, and not elsewhere.
  • Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 16 July 2020 22: 01 New
    0
    All things come from motive, motive in history, not from scratch.
  • Bagatur
    Bagatur 16 July 2020 22: 25 New
    -10
    Anexia Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia according to world law? USSR aggression over Finland is what? If Poland bit a Czech corpse, is it an excuse for the USSR to divide the country with Hitler?
    1. user1212
      user1212 17 July 2020 04: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: bagatura
      Anexia Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia according to world law?

      Was there a war? Someone captured them? Or did they join on a voluntary basis? Yes, not everyone agreed with this, but not everyone agreed with the exit of the Baltic states from the USSR. Can we call it illegal?
      Quote: bagatura
      USSR aggression over Finland is what?

      Before the war of 39, Finland fought with us twice 1918-1920 and 1921-1922. This is exactly the aggression of Finland, at 39 we just returned our
      1. Bagatur
        Bagatur 17 July 2020 10: 09 New
        -5
        Stalin wanted us to incite the 1940 agreement of "mutual assistance" and the Red Army in the country. After what happened in the Baltics, the idiots didn’t find it, and they’ll give him the country! Except for the communists, of course, but they have always been and remained traitors!
        1. user1212
          user1212 17 July 2020 13: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: bagatura
          Stalin wanted us to incite the 1940 agreement of "mutual assistance" and the Red Army in the country

          Now also NATO troops in the country. Is this also an occupation?
          Quote: bagatura
          Except for the communists, of course, but they always were and remain traitors!

          The current power in the Baltics is treacherous and Nazi, it is a fact
          1. Bagatur
            Bagatur 17 July 2020 21: 57 New
            -5
            We have no NATO troops on a permanent deployment! If they let the Red Army in 1940, then what happened in 1944! Thank! Keep the communism for you! Congratulations to the new autocratic king!
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 17 July 2020 08: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: bagatura
      Anexia Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia according to world law?

      Everything was done according to the AGREEMENTS, on the basis of the decisions of MOST Latvia.
      Go to the SCHOOL, yes ...
      1. Bagatur
        Bagatur 17 July 2020 10: 03 New
        -6
        As we say in Bulgaria entered the USSR "kindly". We know very well such agreements with a pistol on the forehead!
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 17 July 2020 10: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: bagatura
          As we say in Bulgaria entered the USSR "kindly". We know very well such agreements with a pistol on the forehead!

          Decisions were made by the PARLIAMENTS of the Baltic countries ELECTED in the elections.

          Are the elections undemocratic? And WHERE were they democratic? Under the fascist Ulmanis?
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  • 123456789
    123456789 16 July 2020 23: 03 New
    0
    Quote: bagatura
    And what did the USSR do at the expense of its neighbors? Forget it Poland, Finland, the Baltic states .... The USSR also took its share!

    In Polish - they look like a goat on a poster. In Polish - they look out in a tight police elephant - where, supposedly, and what is this geographical news?
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 17 July 2020 06: 36 New
    +1
    Only the victories of the Red Army at Stalingrad and Rzhev forced the Allies to open a second front. Before that, the Allies were just observers. If the USSR was counted as a participant in the anti-Hitler coalition only since 1944. Although all the hardships of the war fell on our country. In 1945 there was no dispute about who was the winner. And while our troops were in East Berlin, there were also no particular disputes. They did not consider themselves winners since the collapse of the USSR. Do-it-yourself giving strategic directions is worse than betrayal.
    1. Octopus
      Octopus 17 July 2020 08: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: nikvic46
      And while our troops were in East Berlin, there were no particular disputes either.

      You are right about this. A new look at the history of WWII is a view primarily of Eastern Europe. While she managed to shut up her mouth - an interpretation convenient for the USSR, the USA and Britain was simultaneously managed to hold. But to invent an interpretation that is also convenient for Poland is obviously impossible.
      Quote: nikvic46
      They consider themselves winners since the collapse of the USSR.

      Just "them" - Britain and the United States - have no interest in this matter. Those countries are not interested in raising the history of WWII, too much can come out that they would not like.

      But, unfortunately for all of them, Eastern Europe as a whole appeared, and Poland in particular, which began the struggle for status not at all a winner, but the main victim of WWII. Prior to this, the main victim of WWII, who would have thought, was Israel, and this status was very advantageous.

      Naturally, if the main victim of WWII is Poland, then the USSR and its, so to speak, successors, have big problems with the image.
      1. Firelake
        Firelake 17 July 2020 16: 39 New
        0
        They want reparations. Which was abandoned. Now I think tearing the hair on the head and zhoppe. But then the elder brother (USSR) said so, and now the problem of European subsidies has arisen.
        Only money seriously.
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 17 July 2020 19: 30 New
    +1
    [quoteArticle of Putin on the causes of the Second World War haunts the Western press] [/ quote] Give links to the bubbling of the Western press. There they heard, and then landed Abramovich’s yachts and answered the whole breadth of the Russian soul, brothers, team, we’re walking !!! they’re !!! They wanted to tax us, and we legitimized them with pension reform and the increase in VAT. There were no tipsy people to robbing taxes and again chose the king’s family.
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 18 July 2020 05: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Sergey39
    I think in this sense everything is still ahead. Here it is necessary to prepare the West for the main revelations.

    hopefully too. open all archives, read, gentlemen. west, I understand, all this is dew, but at least for our youth it will be clearer that we had no allies, the name was, but there were no allies. so the second front was opened when a Russian soldier put Germany in the "cancer" pose ..... at least say so [media = https: //tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201601200831-dclg.htm]
  • bzbo
    bzbo 19 July 2020 00: 04 New
    0
    The fourth partition of Poland will be on Atoms