“He thought more about the Nobel Prize”: Pushkov accused Gorbachev of “geopolitical surrender”

Mikhail Gorbachev, who was the president of the USSR, could have prevented the unification of the FRG and the GDR, as well as the entry of the united Germany into NATO, but at that time he had already “capitulated”. This was stated by the head of the Commission Federation Information Policy and Media Relations Commission Alexei Pushkov, making an appropriate entry in his Telegram channel.

Thus, Alexei Pushkov reacted to the message of the Speaker of the Government of Germany, Steffen Seibert, dedicated to the 30th anniversary of the event in Arkhyz, during which Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev “suddenly agreed” to the membership of a united Germany in NATO.

According to Pushkov, at that time much still depended on Moscow and it could influence geopolitical processes. Gorbachev could set the conditions for unification and even demand neutral status from Berlin, speaking out against the membership of a united Germany in NATO. The German authorities were waiting for Moscow’s decision, but instead of setting any conditions, Gorbachev decides to unilaterally withdraw Soviet troops from Germany, where they were legally. According to Pushkov, Gorbachev at that moment was more interested in the Nobel Peace Prize, and not in the interests of the country.

But he (Gorbachev - approx.) Has already embarked on the path of geopolitical surrender and, apparently, was interested in receiving the Nobel Peace Prize more than the country's national interests

- wrote Pushkov.

According to him, Mikhail Gorbachev received the Nobel Prize "for services to the Western Alliance" on October 15, 1990, shortly after this consent to Germany’s NATO membership.

Comments

[Vend]

Yes, it’s not at all clear what he was thinking. In his hands was the largest country in the world. and he didn’t have the mind to keep her.

[To be or not to be]

"Vyacheslav Matuzov and Igor Shishkin talk about why the USSR was collapsed, what 'values' were promoted by the people responsible for this, and why their actions are not explained only by the love of money. Everything about the traitors to the homeland who destroyed the Union."

[Olgovich]

Quote: To be or not to be

All about the traitors to the motherland who destroyed the Union. "

The talk is specifically about Gorbachev: he could not allow the membership of a united Germany in NATO, the Germans were WAITING for this condition and would agree to it.

He could leave our troops in Germany, even at separate bases, that's right suffered by the blood of MILLIONS our soldiers and no one ever challenged him.

How many problems Russia would not have had today if there had been a neutral Germany and Russia's bases there!

And this abomination crossed out many of the results of the Victory, there is no forgiveness or understanding for him!
Scoundrel!

[Terenin]

. But he (Gorbachev - approx.) Has already embarked on the path of geopolitical surrender and, apparently, was interested in receiving the Nobel Prize

Yes, already everything, everyone has long been clear, like "God's day", but Pushkov is "obvious"

[veritas]

“He thought more about the Nobel Prize”: Pushkov accused Gorbachev of “geopolitical surrender”

The fact that Gorbachev is Judas is a fact with which no one argues. And why are we paying him such a pension of 600 thousand rubles? Pushkov, as a deputy, would be better off initiating a discussion of this topic in the Duma and raising the issue of condemning Gorbachev.

[figwam]

He united Germany and destroyed the USSR, a clever pro-Western.

[4ekist]

Everything was done by him as planned. And for this he still receives a presidential pension from the Russian Federation.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Wend

Yes, it’s not at all clear what he was thinking. In his hands was the largest country in the world. and he didn’t have the mind to keep her.

There was not enough money, subordinates thought about how to transfer from the black Volga to Maybakhi, etc. )))
Now, if he asked for compensation for the GDR - and the Bundeswehrs were quite ready to pay it - perhaps the story would go differently

[Vend]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote: Wend

Yes, it’s not at all clear what he was thinking. In his hands was the largest country in the world. and he didn’t have the mind to keep her.

There was not enough money, subordinates thought about how to transfer from the black Volga to Maybakhi, etc. )))
Now, if he asked for compensation for the GDR - and the Bundeswehrs were quite ready to pay it - perhaps the story would go differently

I do not consider this an argument, China also did not have enough money, but they kept the country, and the system and advanced countries. So it was possible to withstand the USSR.

[Krasnodar]

China is a capitalist country with a poor social network (25% of the population receives a pension of 3000 ₽ per month, they began to receive it recently), CPC billionaires, and private property in large-scale industries. In addition to the Communists in power, they did not save anything))

[Vend]

Quote: Krasnodar

China is a capitalist country with a poor social network (25% of the population receives a pension of 3000 ₽ per month, they began to receive it recently), CPC billionaires, and private property in large-scale industries. In addition to the Communists in power, they did not save anything))

Are you not familiar with China's poverty alleviation program? Take a curious look, a very interesting program and big capital will be brought up there. Seventeen forestry companies have signed memorandums of cooperation in the fight against poverty with several provinces for a total of $ 250 million. The Chinese authorities have set the goal of reducing the poverty level in the country to 2%, and subsequently completely reducing this indicator to zero.

[Krasnodar]

250 million dollars? Aren't you funny? For a billion 200 million or how many inhabitants are there? And pensions rise to 4000-5000 rubles per month? In several provinces? )))

[Vend]

Quote: Krasnodar

250 million dollars? Aren't you funny? For a billion 200 million or how many inhabitants are there? And pensions rise to 4000-5000 rubles per month? In several provinces? )))

And you read the program. There will be no reason to laugh

[Krasnodar]

Ok - and there now ... uh ... totalitarian oligarchic capitalism under the leadership of billionaire Marxists who drew attention to the hegemon - "master of the country"? )))

[smart fellow]

The average monthly pension in China in 2016 was about 2353 yuan (about 23,2 thousand rubles, in Russia this figure is 13,7 thousand rubles), although the exact size differs significantly in different provinces. The highest average pension in Tibet (4071 yuan), the lowest (which is still higher than the average Russian level) - in the city of Chongqing (1817 yuan). The difference in the amount of pension payments depends on the level of salaries, the number of people and the volume of subsidies of the center.
carnegie.ru/commentary/76657

[Krasnodar]

However, not everyone receives a pension: out of 230,8 million people over 60, according to CEIC, only 152,7 million people receive payments from the state. This difference is due to the specific registration system in China, hukou, which was created to control the movement of the population within the country. It rigidly divides the Chinese into townspeople and rural residents and does not allow villagers to legally work in cities, which means that they can also rely on social insurance.

Therefore, the pension is received mainly by the townspeople, and the rural population (which in 2016 amounted to 43,2% of the population of the PRC) in old age often has to rely on themselves or the minimum basic pension. In 2017, the amount of payments to peasants was a ridiculous amount - 125 yuan.

https://carnegie.ru/commentary/76657

If you quote, then bring the article to the end

[smart fellow]

China data is aging very quickly. The rural population is declining, the urban population is growing. The starting level was very low. In China, this year they plan to end poverty, and in Russia about 20 million poor people - Golikova promises to reduce their number by half in the coming years. But in what way did not inform. COVID to the rescue?

[Krasnodar]

This was the reason why you quoted only the first piece of text
If billionaires with a CCP membership card decide to end poverty and they succeed - respect and respect! Totalitarian capitalism in China will begin to acquire the likeness of Western European, in about 20 years it will come closer to the social security of Italy. Two things are not clear to you:
1) their development vector is Singaporean, not the USSR in any way. Capitalist totalitarianism - instead of the party, Lee Kwan Yu steers the CCP.
2) Modern China is a terrible dream for the population of the Russian Federation - out of 230 million pensioners, 152 receive a pension - that is, one third lives at the expense of children, whom they have only one each, of the remaining pension recipients about 40 percent receive 125 yuan - about 2 thousand rubles.
As for their programs - the question is, what is poverty in China? A third of the salary of a French cleaning lady or a quarter?

[smart fellow]

Chinese pensioners enjoy many benefits: they are provided with free medical care (including various kinds of acupuncture and massage), visits to diagnostic rooms that are equipped in each district, the right to eat in public canteens for a nominal fee - by registration, free visits to museums and qigong classes and tai chi in the parks. Demands from Chinese retirees are small. And the benefits of travel agencies allow them to travel around the world. No wonder Chinese pensioners have recently been seen abroad no less often than Japanese.
rg.ru/2018/07/25/kak-ustroena-pensionnaia-sistema-v-sovremennom-kitae.html

[Krasnodar]

So I saw Russian tourists at the Negresco Hotel in Nice - and with models and not granddaughters at the same time
What do you think - a third of Chinese pensioners who do not receive a pension at all, or 40% who receive 3000 rubles a month, travel abroad? Eating at subsidized canteens? And, once again, what does Chinese capitalism have to do with socialism? )))
As for “more than Japanese” - there are more pensioners in China than in Japan in general

[halpat]

This labeled ... aged Gul from the planet Katruk disgusts me.

[Podvodnik]

and he didn’t have the mind to keep her.

To lead such a country, you need state thinking. And he had a thinking.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wend

Yes, it’s not at all clear what he was thinking.

He thought about the handouts of 100 thousand green raccoons, which he received the same from the western owners. A proven fact. Although I think there were other handouts.
It is not clear why he had not yet been dragged by the nostrils like a rabid dog to Moscow and had not been torn to pieces by people.

[venik]

Quote: Wend

Yes, it’s not at all clear what he was thinking. In his hands was the largest country in the world. and he didn’t have the mind to keep her.

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He was thinking about the "Shnobel Prize"! An ordinary "cabinet intriguer" who imagines himself (beloved) "a great politician of all times and peoples" ..... And about this cattle also "VO" writes! There is nothing more to do "site moderators" ??? No news?

[Kisa]

good but weak-witted .... it always seemed that Raisa Maksimovna from him a pitchfork

[aszzz888]

According to him, Mikhail Gorbachev received the Nobel Prize "for services to the western alliancem "October 15, 1990, shortly after the given consent to Germany's membership in NATO.

Presumably, and not only for this. He still licks his ass to the mericatos.

[SRC P-15]

He slept and saw himself touting western pizza.

[Andrey VOV]

Thanks to his "efforts" even the company that made that pizza went bankrupt ..... talent damn it ...

[parusnik]

According to him, Mikhail Gorbachev received the Nobel Prize "for services to the Western Alliance"

.... The stump is clear ...

[apro]

The systemic crisis of the USSR ... put forward to the main post a man who could only completely destroy a power. Around him were also degenerates who had nothing to do with communism ... this was a mutual desire ... to legalize power and mattresses alone, and secondly to promote their influence.
It is strange only today to hear it from the beneficiaries of the destruction of the USSR ... this is also their business ...

[iouris]

Quote: apro

The systemic crisis of the USSR ... put forward a man to the main post

"Systemic crisis of the USSR" - is it a person or an organization (Names? Passwords? Appearances?)?

[apro]

Quote: iouris

"Systemic crisis of the USSR" is a person or an organization

This is a society that has lost civilizational skills ... exchanging them for doing nothing. A full belly. Trinkets ... and other delights of a semi-colony.

[iouris]

Clear. Nobody is to blame. And I know why: because betrayal is not the most serious crime, but "the ability to foresee." Get ready, it will be interesting soon.

[apro]

Quote: iouris

Clear. Nobody is to blame

Society in the face of threats. It either consolidates and repels. Or tries to adapt. And there is always a part of society that is a private example of attitude towards life. To society. It is able to impose one or another survival strategy on society. Sometimes it sometimes fails .... and the price survival is sometimes too high for society.

[iouris]

You understand "society" as a homogeneous unstructured crowd of sheep. Society is divided into classes. "Society" is formed in a class state. The destruction of the old state leads to the disintegration of the old "society". Neither you nor your acquaintances will be able to resist those who have seized the state - the machine of suppression. When you try to resist the ruling class, you will surely be crushed. The state and society are formed "from above".

[apro]

Quote: iouris

The state and society are formed "from above".

I completely agree with you. But the creation of a nation-wide state. A new type of state implies universal responsibility and participation in the affairs of the state. And in some cases, the development of society is not enough to fulfill this function, which led to self-elimination during the destruction of the USSR.

[iouris]

Punctuation marks are incorrectly placed for you.
The creation of a state of the whole people presupposes the presence of a special political party, the presence of a special goal for the party - the building of communism, the need for a transitional stage - the dictatorship of the proletariat (at least). In all other cases, all states are destroyed and the fascist dictatorship of transnational corporations is introduced. This process has already started. Thank you, Gorby.

[iouris]

We were not told the truth about why the USSR was dissolved, what are the socio-economic consequences of this and who was and who became the ultimate beneficiary. And most importantly: what is the final point of this process (as they intended). Premonitions are very bad. But it’s time for Pushkov to at least be re-elected. If this is not possible, then our prospects are bad.

[4ekist]

And what can I say. Everyone already understood everything.

[iouris]

Quote: 4ekist

Everyone already understood everything.

Everyone cannot understand everything. Better tell what exactly you understood (if you have SOMETHING to tell). Society is obliged to find out HOW exactly the "elite" betrayed "their" people in order to study their past, understand the present and the chances of survival (and not just the dollar rate for tomorrow).

[orionvitt]

Quote: iouris

what exactly did you understand (if you have SOMETHING to tell)

Social and political processes in complex systems, which are the leading powers of the world, are not expressed in "two words". This is not Ukraine with different tribals, which can be seen through and through, and in two sentences, you can describe the entire political background of such type of "state formations". About the USSR, these are multivolume works and studies, hundreds of scientists (and in different fields of science), which have already been written and how much more will be written is not known, the topic is vast. In China, for example, a whole institute is engaged in the problem of the collapse of the USSR, they study, so as not to repeat other people's mistakes.

[iouris]

It’s clear that the matter is dark. Or are you an employee of this institute?

[Alexander X]

For me, Mecheny is a traitor to the Motherland, the people. There is no justification and forgiveness to him. And I tell my grandson about two traitors of his people and country.

[Incvizitor]

For me, this is a nonsense who has never had a homeland and who, like a jellyfish, swayed on the waves of the ocean of rotten western capitalism (like EBN in fact), there, of course, in the end and the Union, to put it mildly, has already rotted, but he did not try to put things in order.

[iouris]

Quote: Incvizitor

Union mildly rotten

It is not about the Union itself. The point is the formation in the USSR of an exploiting class in the nomenklatura environment, whose ideologists, after the death of Stalin, decided to appropriate public property. And since our state is governed not by parties, but by the Cheka (whatever it is called), the counter-revolution was carried out by this very "body".

[rotmistr60]

But he (Gorbachev - approx.) Has already embarked on the path of geopolitical surrender and, apparently, was interested in receiving the Nobel Peace Prize more than the country's national interests

Rebuilt, coalуfought, destroyed a huge country, received an award, fled Russia, advertised pizza, not forgetting to periodically teach from behind a cordon how to govern the country and build international relations. Therefore, if it remains in the memory of generations, then as a marked traitor.

[4ekist]

Who will remember him, who needs this squalor (except liberalists)?

[mag nit]

The communist Pushkov also worked for Gorbachev, and prepared texts for him. So maybe the reason is not in Gorbachev?

[APASUS]

Pushkov covered Gorbachev:

But he (Gorbachev - approx.) Has already embarked on the path of geopolitical surrender

Direct betrayal of the interests of the country, the people of this country - called geopolitical surrender! It is necessary to call everything by their proper names, for nothing Gorbachev fled to Germany, in Russia they didn’t forgive him, so he knows what he’s done!

[Last centurion]

he is a traitor. if briefly. and will remain for centuries as a traitor.

[Million]

Let Judas live, maybe he will live to see the trial. Although Putin will not do this

[fa2998]

Quote: Wend

Yes, it’s not at all clear what he was thinking.

He thought about his wallet! Now in this "west" - a respected person, he lives for his own pleasure!

[Knell wardenheart]

How does my physiognomy remind me of the elusive full Moon O_O
Z. Only in our country, a responsible politician about * everything can walk like a gogol in my opinion ..

[Ros 56]

What difference does he think about. It is just a traitor and he must be punished.

[Doccor18]

Mikhail Gorbachev

It is disgusting to talk about this person. A traitor, he is a traitor.
Hanging itza is the only reward for such ..

[Kibl]

Shoot the ushlepka, bury it, then dig it out and shoot it again. Uuuuu tagged reptile, I hate it!

[Maks1995]

But why then does the Kremlin pay him an awesome pension?
Humpbacked then, behold, but in reality his teacher is inviolable to the authorities.

Or maybe Kazakhs are there for him or Belarusians are paying?

[bad]

The mere place of present residence speaks of who he is - a traitor.

[orionvitt]

The Nobel Peace Prize, in our time, is already like the stigma of a renegade and an enemy of everything human. Where is the world going?

[ver_]

... and who is awarding this prize? - enough * black square * to recall Malevich - deep government ..

[Comrade]

But when will he finally die? !!!

[georggy]

Take away this mug.
Rabbi Harvester

[nikvic46]

I think Gorbachev and Yeltsin worked in tandem, just played to the audience about the contradictions. One started, the other finished. Interestingly, when the Bialowieza Treaty was signed, there was no particular condemnation in the press. This is now all in hindsight. However, it was also very offensive for BN, and oddly enough from Vadim Maksimov in Pravda.

[PValery53]

Governance of the state was for M. Gorbachev - "not a single hat".

[paco.soto]

Neutral opinion: I read the forum and do not want to politicize. I remember those years, Once in the 91st to the 92nd we were taken out by the SGV. And I remember our then officer's deep reflections over the "glass of the piano" as it will be now for us.
Morning beard senile stingy tear

[Olddetractor]

Quote: paco.soto

I remember those years, Once in the 91st to the 92nd we were taken out by the SGV. And I remember our then officer's deep reflections over the "glass of the piano" as it will be now for us.
Morning beard senile stingy tear

The sovereign is weak and crafty,
A bald dandy, the enemy of labor,
Unintentionally warmed by glory,
We reigned then

[wow]

To die, dig and burn and sing down the wind to dispel and REMAIN!