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Denomination: the pros and cons. Why can not categorically reject other people's ideas

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In recent days, there have been talks (even at the level of benches at the entrances) about the imminent denomination of the ruble. The know-it-all brownies are discussing with might and main how it will be and what it can lead to. Moreover, the number of "facts" known only to them grows with the speed of a courier train. To a simple question, where do the fireballs come from, where does this information come from, there is a quite reasonable answer: read the Internet.


Indeed, such an idea was thrown into the information space a few days ago. And it looks very enticing, especially for the generation of veterans. Those who remember Soviet times. We remove two zeros and get ... the Soviet dollar exchange rate. Those "proud" 70 kopecks per dollar!

On the one hand, nothing extraordinary happened. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Moreover, he is not an outsider, an economist and a well-known analyst among specialists, Alexander Razuvaev. And the goals of the denomination he declares are quite reasonable. Eliminate "excess cash" and reduce government spending on money production.

On the other hand? On the other hand, we have memory. Yes, it is the memory of those who survived the denomination in the nineties. For these people, denomination is not just a renaming, but this is how this beautiful word is translated from Latin, it is a rise in the price of new goods, a rounding up of the cost of goods, the price of which did not end with zeros ... And there is no positive effect on the life of ordinary people from such a renaming It was.

What can be if the idea is supported


From the experience of the past denomination, it is safe to say that there will be less good than bad. Let's remember what happened and think about whether this situation will happen again today.

So let's start with the prices of goods. According to the idea of ​​the then leadership, they were supposed to fall exactly 1000 times. But what happened in reality? Prices have even gone up. In the new numbers, it didn’t look so obvious, but it grew! Both new products and old ones. For those "not zeros" of the old prices. And then they began to grow by a ruble or two constantly.

But even this was not the main negative phenomenon of that time. Frightened people, who were deceived many times, saw that their deposits in banks were devalued. Further - quiet panic. Deposits were withdrawn from accounts, accounts were closed. And the money was spent on the purchase of some things. The people acted according to the principle "money is paper, and a thing is always a thing." And this gave rise to problems for a large number of banks, right up to the closure. And then there was a default ...

The specialists will probably correct me. The denomination was then carried out in conditions of hyperinflation. When prices rose almost daily. Therefore, no effect was observed. This is probably true. But then, in conditions of economic stability, why do we need a denomination at all?

A large amount of cash in the population? What nonsense? We live in the 21st century. Tell me who and when was the last time you saw someone make a serious cash purchase? The country has long switched to non-cash payments. Today any citizen of the Russian Federation has a card.

Will the denomination solve any economic problems? Even me, an outsider, understands that she will not solve any problems. The only thing that comes to mind is probing public opinion on the very idea of ​​denomination. How will the people react ...

But even here there are doubts. The economic situation today is not the brightest for most people. No matter how hard the state tries to smooth out the rough edges associated with the pandemic, any Russian family today has money problems. Why should the state exacerbate these problems? You can wait a while for the situation to stabilize again, and then it is painless to carry out the denomination.

True, there is one thought that I sometimes come across in the statements of economists. The thought is as old as the world. I'm talking about the oil and gas needle, on which we are still sitting. 60% of foreign exchange earnings in the Russian Federation last year we received precisely from the export of oil, gas and oil products. Moreover, which is again important, half of the money came to us from Europe.

It is easy to imagine what will happen to our ruble if this market for some reason collapses or the demand for hydrocarbons decreases. And the prerequisites for this already exist. The EU is actively looking for options to replace oil with other (more environmentally friendly) energy sources. But even then it is not clear what the denomination has to do with it. In case of loss of the European market, we can talk about the devaluation of the ruble.

In short, I have no exact answer to the situation. Perhaps the author of the idea himself will express his opinion on this matter.

The reaction of the Central Bank of Russia is predictable


Since the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is responsible for conducting the denomination, the main person who can clarify the situation is its chairman Elvira Nabibulina. I must say that the Central Bank reacted quite quickly, thereby reducing the degree of tension in the situation. So, the main thing from Nabibulina's speech:

“We have everything in order with denominations and with a number of banknotes. There is no reason to change anything here. People can always use cash, their own funds in banks. We are not considering any restrictions, we are not planning any changes. "

This statement was made two days ago in the Federation Council. Which gives us reason to believe the words of our chief banker. Moreover, the chairman of the Central Bank spoke not only about denomination, but about monetary reform in general.

Conclusion


You need to be cool about what is happening in the country and the world today. The tension is growing in all areas. The political component of the world is changing, the economic component is changing, the moral and moral component is changing. Everything in our world is interconnected.

And it is not worth blaming specialists in various fields of any intrigues against the people. It's just that experts look a little further than others and see a little more than others. Therefore, they offer options for salvation from the coming adversity today. These are the right or wrong options, experts will again decide. In the coming months, if not years, the world will face tough times. Breaking the old and building a new home for humanity is a painful process.

That is why I will not make categorical conclusions, categorical statements. What looks somewhat exotic today may be the only correct decision tomorrow. What is relevant today will tomorrow become an infinitely outdated brake on development. So we will monitor the situation. Our strategic task is the same: to restore the economic, military and political power of the country. This is the main thing ...
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  1. Civil
    Civil 16 July 2020 15: 05 New
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    There was not a single monetary reform without deceiving the population.
    1. veritas
      veritas 16 July 2020 15: 21 New
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      Quote: Civil
      There was not a single monetary reform without deceiving the population.

      That’s for sure, the first thing that came to mind was robbery again.
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 16 July 2020 15: 42 New
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        "The 1961 monetary reform: Khrushchev's blow to the USSR .... The fact is that then, in the sixty-first, few people paid attention to one oddity:
        before the reform, the dollar was worth four rubles, and after its implementation, the exchange rate was
        appointed at 90 cents. Many naively rejoiced that the ruble became more expensive than the dollar, but
        if you exchange old money for new one to ten, then the dollar should have cost not 90, but
        only 40 kopecks. The same thing happened with the gold content: instead of
        get a gold content equal to 2,22168 grams, the ruble received only 0,987412 g
        gold
        Thus, as a result of the 1961 reform, the ruble was underestimated 2,25 times, and
        the purchasing power of the ruble in relation to imported goods, respectively, in
        decreased as many times.
        Moreover, prices with this "denomination" jumped up. Tenfold change
        prices not regulated by the state (in the markets for the production of personal subsidiary plots
        etc.), according to contemporaries, did not happen - from the active population
        there was a change in the official gold content of the ruble, and market prices often
        changed not 10, but only 4,5 times, which meant more than a twofold increase in prices "
        http://www.fa.ru/org/div/museum/SiteAssets/Pages/1917-2017/
        or
        Monetary reform of 1961: Khrushchev’s blow to the USSR www.fa.ru ›org› div ›museum› SiteAssets ›Pages
        PDF
        19 Aug 2018

        And then there was bread ... corn and queues for it from 2-3 o'clock in the morning and a number in the chemical pencil on his hand in a few numbers - the boy stood
        1. nikvic46
          nikvic46 16 July 2020 16: 07 New
          0
          "And then there was ... corn and queues for it from 2-3 o'clock in the morning ..." I don't know what hole you lived in, but in 1961 there were already rolls in the bakery store. If you want to write something bad, come up with something more believable.
          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 16 July 2020 16: 23 New
            +5
            God forbid you eat corn bread
            Three mines, two copper and one gold Middle Ural near Sverlovsk Nature-Switzerland was called and the place name is Ural Switzerland (though the Mines are flooded ..)
            But in fact, this is a problem for Nikita and his kukurization of Stryna and what it led to ..
            "In the fall of 1962, the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Union Council of Ministers issued a decree" On restoring order in the expenditure of bread resources ", limiting the sale of bread to 2,5 kilograms per person. The country simply ceased to have enough grain for grinding. White bread and wheat flour in many regions left the counters, mixed corn and pea flour into the black bread left in the bakeries. Soviet newspapers were full of recipes for making pies and casseroles from black and white rusks "
            https://lenta.ru/articles/2013/10/12/corn
            We then baked corn bread before that beautiful white at 28 kopecks and black at 14 kopecks ...
            1. nikvic46
              nikvic46 16 July 2020 18: 56 New
              +9
              "God forbid you, there is cornbread." I probably answered you rudely. I ate cornbread and seasoned the tomato with corn oil. But is this the main thing in a past life? A family lived next to me, whose lot was bread and mustard. But when we meet and remember our childhood, you might think we ate only cakes. Such freedom that we had, now only rural boys.
              1. To be or not to be
                To be or not to be 16 July 2020 19: 01 New
                +3
                Yes, I'm not talking about the street and the boys of the street. It was a wonderful childhood.
                About power and its unpunished dope
            2. Nikolai Korovin
              Nikolai Korovin 16 July 2020 21: 30 New
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              So it recovered. For 14 cents - this is peeled, a loaf of 800 grams, for 16 cents - coarse rye, a kilogram loaf, very useful. Borodinsky cost 18 kopecks. What is now being sold as Borodino did not lie nearby. 28 kopecks - a healthy loaf, wholemeal. Probably a pound or even more. A bit grayish. Threaded loaf 13 kopecks - two hundred and fifty grams - three hundred. A little larger, I forgot what it was called - 18 kopecks, with two longitudinal stripes. The Khrustobulka that we lost (urban, it’s the former French) - 7 kopecks. The thing is dangerous. You’ll come across, it’s hot, just from the bakery - you won’t resist, and you’ll eat it right away. And then scolded, why do not you dine. Today's youth do not know what normal bread is, and how beautifully it satisfies hunger. Yes, there was still sit. This is an extravaganza. Loafs were also good with raisins. And now all of some obscure delights, it is expensive - but the quality is still clearly not the same. A loaf of fresh hot bread, laid out on a wooden tray, is much more useful than slicing in polyethylene.
          2. yuratanja1950
            yuratanja1950 17 July 2020 16: 57 New
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            Quote: nikvic46
            I don’t know what hole you lived in, but in 1961 there were already rolls in the bakery


            Hmm ... This "hole" was called the USSR ... And the cities outside the Moscow Ring Road, both in Soviet times and at the present time, were and still are considered "holes" by Muscovites (often not even indigenous) ...
            I confirm the information from "To be or not to be" about corn and also about the so-called "Trans-Baikal" bread and queues, if not from 2-3 in the morning, then from 4-5 in the morning - that's for sure ...
            By the way, there was this in the "granary" of the Soviet Union - the Kuban ... Krasnodar Territory, the city of Armavir (in which I have not lived for half a century) - who is on the site of the year of birth of some sort of 1950 (+ -), answer, confirm. .. By the way, matches disappeared at the same time and they were sold at the “push-cloud” at the price of 1 ruble per 1 box ...! 1 ruble instead of 1 kopeck !!! Already then people made fortunes on matches and soap ...

            Well, as my grandmother (in the same Armavir) said: and the radish, granddaughters, in the bazaar as a bundle cost 15 kopecks, it costs 15 kopecks ...

            I "got involved" in a conversation with support only for the reason that our country, as it was, and remained large, and the problems in different corners of it people have different ...

            The bottom line - the main one - is that not a single adventure with denominations for the people ends in good ...
            But now there is already talk about issuing some bonds for borrowing money from the people ... All this has long been covered by our people ... And if in the 40-50s these government loan bonds could be justified, then Already now, with the modern thieves-nouveau riche in business, there is no way to justify it ... hi
        2. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 16 July 2020 21: 16 New
          +2
          You confuse something with 1991, in my opinion. I was already quite large, I do not remember the bursts of numbers. Then citizens would not allow themselves to draw numbers. It was in 1991 that the electorate behaved somewhat inappropriately. For example, in a supermarket they throw ham in a shell through a hole in the wall into a self-service display case - crush, grab everyone without waiting in line, everyone strives to grab a bigger piece. Like from a hungry land. Reminiscent of feeding a herd - I won’t say who.

          Shortage of bread and purchase in Canada were, if I am not mistaken, in 1963. Apparently, they bought feed grain. White bread has become some kind of gray. The lines did not go beyond the reasonable - as usual. A fairly significant queue in grocery stores in the Soviet era was always, if you remember; well, maybe a little more steel than they were. For a relatively short time. In October 1964, dear Nikita Sergeyevich was removed, and everything seemed to be working out.

          I can’t say how much prices rose then. It was not large enough to be consciously monitored at that time. But I must note that since 1961, prices for the main types of bread, for example, have remained unchanged for almost thirty years. I was assigned to buy bread and milk from the age of 7, so you won’t be fooled here. The price of milk and returnable containers did not change either. Hand in two empty bottles - get full. For some reason, difficulties with the collection did not arise. The production of glass containers is a rather complicated and energy-intensive process. Half a liter of sunflower oil - keep ready a fifty dollars for the machine, also for many years. If we take the current 100 rubles = 1 Soviet ruble, it turns out more expensive than now. But, of course, the oil was more natural. Good bread was much cheaper. There was simply no bad thing. Now you take something sometimes and don’t understand - is it bread or something else in general.

          There were, of course, cons in supply. It often happened that you were standing in line for something - and it ended. Interruptions with eggs, for example, were even in Moscow. But still, what happened was natural. There was no fear that palm oil would be slipped. True, for example, potatoes of 10 cents a kilo were often just bad. I had to buy in paper bags at 30 cents a kilogram - about how it turns out now. This usually did not cause any complaints. But nevertheless, for all that, most people were sincerely convinced that they were doing a useful and important thing. And when the hockey or even football team played, the streets were empty. Cheering for Canadians caused sincere bewilderment. It costs quite a lot, in my opinion. I’m not sure that this is better now.

          But here's what is true - I remember my grandmother complained: I called an electrician - you won’t give 30 kopecks, as you gave three rubles before the "reform"; come on a ruble. Apparently, her pension was very small - her seniority was incomplete, she did not hold high positions. This overspending on the call of an electrician was sensitive.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2020 07: 20 New
            0
            . If we take the current 100 rubles = 1 Soviet ruble, it turns out more expensive than now. But,
            Of course, the Soviet ruble was more expensive. Then the average salary was about 150 rubles, now about 70 thousand, that is, the Soviet ruble is approximately 500 current rubles.
            1. frog
              frog 17 July 2020 12: 08 New
              +1
              Absolutely stupid question, already forgive generously .... And where in Russia is the average salary of 70 tyrov? And yet we are talking about the average salary, more where Anadyr, let’s say, it is bigger. But there and a kilo of potatoes costs ...... a little more expensive repeat
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2020 15: 44 New
                -1
                In Petersburg. I don’t think that somewhere the salary is less.
                1. frog
                  frog 17 July 2020 15: 52 New
                  -1
                  Well, to find out who did not like the question of salary, we will not, let goodness be with the wretched lol
                  And as for the average salary ..... In N. Novgorod, let’s say, an assistant professor at a single rate at the university has significantly less. As, however, and an engineer of the highest category, working in the field of ..... legal proceedings wink So do not think in vain .... But this is not a claim at all, so, comment .....
        3. serezhasoldatow
          serezhasoldatow 19 July 2020 22: 41 New
          0
          Exactly, a loaf of white bread is 24 kopecks, but it was necessary to stand at least half a day. Stood, stood and bought ice cream for 24 kopecks. Well at home, army crackers were. And cornbread ...
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 16 July 2020 15: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: Civil
      There was not a single monetary reform without deceiving the population.

      Putinism will show you how to do this constantly, cynically and to the applause of the teletubbies.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 15: 35 New
        -20
        Quote: Stroporez
        Quote: Civil
        There was not a single monetary reform without deceiving the population.

        Putinism will show you how to do this constantly, cynically and to the applause of the teletubbies.

        Bread cutter, but there will be no denomination ... we will smear it on a bottle? for example wink laughing
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 16 July 2020 16: 13 New
          +7
          Speaking of a bottle and .. denomination of 1961 .. And laughter and tears .. but he heard and saw as a kid ..
          There lived a working-miners' family. Of course they lived hard .. The denomination passed. And One wife gives her husband a new triple and says, go buy two loaves of brown bread. That’s seeing such embarrassment on the couch and grabbed the triple and legs into the store After a while it’s no. But two loaves of brown bread are served up vodka, a monster. Then the neighbors explained to her that it was a new triple. Before the brown bread reform, the bread cost 1 ruble 40 kopecks. And now it costs 14 kopecks. So he bought a bottle on delivery and gave it to himself ... What started there ....
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 18: 44 New
            -7
            Quote: To be or not to be
            Speaking of a bottle and ..

            ... and about no need to go into it laughing

            There were always enough idiots. Are you talking about this?
            1. To be or not to be
              To be or not to be 16 July 2020 19: 05 New
              +5
              no, not about that, but the life of the common people Lived. labored. gave birth to us. brought up and ... laughed
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 19: 06 New
                -6
                Quote: To be or not to be
                Lived. labored. gave birth to us. brought up and ... laughed

                Now is not it? Do not tell more ...
                1. To be or not to be
                  To be or not to be 16 July 2020 19: 24 New
                  +8
                  Now it’s not like that. People used to be kinder. For example, they came in late at night and asked to spend the night. allowed. fed. they put him to bed in the morning and spent sechas on 5 locks on the iron door and at home a dog fighting
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 19: 29 New
                    -5
                    Quote: To be or not to be
                    Sechas 5 locks on the iron door and the house dog fighting

                    Not everywhere like that, do not exaggerate.

                    At the call of my friends, for example, I spend the night ... yes, anyone. Then, for the inconvenience, I will present to those acquaintances, if only ...
                  2. your1970
                    your1970 16 July 2020 22: 33 New
                    +4
                    Quote: To be or not to be
                    Not so now. People used to be kinder.
                    - people were equal + they especially had nothing to take from thieves. Well, there weren’t crystal vases with Mishka to steal from the wall ...
                    nevertheless, even then there were people - who couldn’t stand the water, not just spend the night ...
                    In 1987 they rode in a convoy - they carried shells from warehouses from afar in the Urals. The village ... they asked for water to get drunk - they didn’t give it, in the next house they didn’t give it, and so along the whole street ... and their water bye bye ...
                    The elder of the column (major, Gagauz — as I remember now, small, dry, by the name of my Galaguz) at the end of the street unfolds the column and we are along the street - in the gardens, then - on the second side - also in the gardens .....
                    Can you imagine - what happened to the gardens after passing through them 12 Urals (with full load) at a speed of 60 km / h ....

                    Of course, it was not good to offend the Soviet peasants - but there was some justice in this ... By the way - no men came out, women didn’t give water
                    1. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2020 07: 22 New
                      0
                      Guys would give. Women they are, bitch. angry
                2. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 16 July 2020 22: 29 New
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                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Now is not it? Do not tell more ...

                  Not so, before with an 8-hour working day and a 5-day working week, how much time was given to the children? And now?
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 17 July 2020 10: 07 New
                    -1
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Now is not it? Do not tell more ...

                    Not so, before with an 8-hour working day and a 5-day working week, how much time was given to the children? And now?

                    I’ll tell you a secret, now parents with children spend more time in Times more .... During the USSR, they fed you in the morning and you ran to school, then learned, then climb construction sites or play robbers into Cossacks outside garages ... You got home when it got dark .... You got your ears twisted for bad behavior who is not lazy .....
                    And now, they’re being taken to school, driven from school, sitting at home on a gadget ..... What street do you want with demons? There is a granny !!!!
                    So do not lala about the lack of time ..... "You have a gadget / iPhone on and shut up, dad wants to drink beer with football" - so more precisely will be......
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 17 July 2020 11: 47 New
                      +9
                      Quote: your1970
                      So do not lala about the lack of time ..... "You have a gadget / iPhone on and shut up - dad wants to drink beer with football" - it will be more accurate ...

                      If so in your family, this does not mean that it is the same in other families.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 17 July 2020 11: 56 New
                        0
                        Previously, children were not home until dark - now parents. Or did you sit at home in Soviet times?
        2. Blacksmith 55
          Blacksmith 55 16 July 2020 17: 27 New
          +2
          I remember a little reform of 61 years. We went to change money, changed it in the MTS office. One kid (6 years old) brought the ruble, came out in tears, complains: I gave them a ruble, and I only got 10 kopecks. ))))))).
      2. Thunderbringer
        Thunderbringer 16 July 2020 15: 57 New
        -1
        Indeed, since times in the world are generally difficult times, let's break everything at ourselves, as usual.
        Instead of Putinism, there will be some kind of plateoshkism.
        We will live ... True, again not soon, in 50 years.
      3. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 19 July 2020 22: 42 New
        -1
        You are at home, in Ukraine ... try.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 16 July 2020 16: 21 New
      +9
      Quote: Civil
      There was not a single monetary reform without deceiving the population.

      That's for sure. Here is the material for those who did NOT KNOW:
      https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/07/14/86272-denominatsiya-ili-konfiskatsiya
      You can wail very interesting things here. As for the denomination at present, after the pension reform, VAT increase, taxation of deposits of more than 1 million rubles, denomination is not the worst, but a natural measure.
    4. Sergey39
      Sergey39 16 July 2020 17: 33 New
      -8
      This denomination about denomination was launched for the sole purpose: to cause dissatisfaction of citizens with the supreme power and lead to disobedience. In the West, they really do not like the changes taking place in Russia and are trying in every possible way to prevent it. That's why Razuvaev launched this topic? Or got it on its paw or just.
      1. pin_code
        pin_code 17 July 2020 07: 42 New
        +3
        and so citizens are already written from the bounty of the supreme power, others even repent. do not make people laugh.
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 16 July 2020 15: 07 New
    -1
    [Quote] [/ quote]
  3. Doccor18
    Doccor18 16 July 2020 15: 12 New
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    Denomination: the pros and cons ...

    You can denominate as many times as you like. What is the use of this?
    The national currency is strong when the national economy is strong ...
    1. your1970
      your1970 16 July 2020 22: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Doccor18
      Denomination: the pros and cons ...

      You can denominate as many times as you like. What is the use of this?
      The national currency is strong when strong national economy...
      That is, in 1924,1947,1961, XNUMX, XNUMX was the national economy so-so?
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 16 July 2020 15: 15 New
    +5
    A pointless, currently expensive procedure.
    We, of course, have a lot going on abruptly, but the goal is somehow what it should be.
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 16 July 2020 15: 28 New
      +6
      but the goal must be somehow

      Any denomination is accompanied by the replacement of money. And here it is possible to confiscate "extra" money in the opinion of the government from the population. Cash up to, say, 100000, deposits up to a million - according to the denomination coefficient (for example, 100 old for 1 new one) and everything that is higher is already 200 or 300 to 1. Also, for large deposits, you can demand to prove the origin and compliance with the declared income ... Thus, for those close to the body, everything will be a bunch, and those who are not with us (that is, the entire "middle" class and others who have joined the money) will shave their heads smile
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 July 2020 16: 09 New
        +8
        If I believed that they would take away the unjustly acquired ... but I don’t even want to be ironic in that steppe.
        Raven, crow, eye will not peck!
        The majority of the population, except for a hole in their pocket, has nothing.
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 16 July 2020 16: 31 New
          +6
          Unjustly acquired for a long time beyond the reach of the Russian fiscal. Others cut it (see Cyprus, London ...). Benefits for those in power - to crush the entire economy for themselves, squeezing out small competitors in non-criminal ways, to crush the gray sector for a while, to carry out a hidden devaluation of the ruble, to force the population to "print" currency stash, create the appearance of fiscal prosperity ... so there will be denominations! If carried out wisely, all the negatives will be raked by slaves, without even knowing the scale of the scammer, and the bar will be covered in chocolate.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 16 July 2020 22: 23 New
            +2
            The bar, always in chocolate, like the rest, has a hole in his pocket.
    2. Cube123
      Cube123 16 July 2020 16: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      ... but the goal is somehow to be.

      And the goal is simple - personal PR and an attempt to stir up attention to your own person. Read the source:

      https://alpari-news.ru/expert-opinion/banku-rossii-stoit-podumat-o-denominaczii-rublya/

      The only reason this is proposed is to return a penny in circulation. I remember that Yeltsin had already promised in the 90s that he would make the people bend over for a penny.

      In general, another nonsense from Razuvaev. I know him for twenty years and I don’t know any of his forecasts that would be justified laughing
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 July 2020 22: 21 New
        +1
        Shaw is nonsense, but the truth is, DON'T DESTINY, ETERNAL, only you have to perceive them in different ways.
  5. Jcvai
    Jcvai 16 July 2020 15: 19 New
    +2
    Somewhere I already heard it ... aah, in the proverb about moving beds in a brothel ... although, the questions arrived for furniture manufacturers and movers in it did not arise.

    In fact, with regard to currency, it is only important that the state can provide guarantees to its owners. It used to be easier due to the "gold standard". Now everything is at the level of "giving a grudge" from politicians.
  6. Pereira
    Pereira 16 July 2020 15: 33 New
    +8
    This is all empty reasoning.
    Denomination means the return of cents. Who needs them?
    Instead of 100 rubles will there be ruble coins or ruble bills?
    Existing ATMs and payment terminals will digest them?
    This problem worries me more.
    1. Alf
      Alf 16 July 2020 19: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Pereira
      Existing ATMs and payment terminals will digest them?

      Of course, they will digest, but here is how much their owners will raise on this ...
    2. volodimer
      volodimer 17 July 2020 19: 25 New
      0
      And now, let's just announce the costs of producing new means of payment, those same notorious coins and banknotes ... Even if they are produced (note the costs here) in a smaller volume, then it’s still gigantic expenses (again costs) for reconfiguration or redistribution or replace ALL !!!! ATMs and payment terminals (just awesome expenses). Even at this stage: the game is not worth the candle, and the accompanying moral and political problems are even greater.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 16 July 2020 15: 43 New
    +2
    Which gives us reason to believe the words of our main banker.
    ... Let's believe, the chief banker, where to go .. Just the chief, he also promised a lot to not touch the Constitution and not raise the retirement age .. However, as they say, a hurricane comes unexpectedly ... " . And then, bang and the second shift! Farewell, beloved teachers for two weeks! "(C)
  8. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 16 July 2020 15: 54 New
    +6
    Unfortunately... recourse
    "Is there life on Mars, is not there - science does not know about it" (c) wassat
    If the Authority wants to make a denomination, it will do it, if it does not want it, it will not do it ... And it does not care about the opinion of the people and the objective circumstances ... lol
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 16 July 2020 16: 00 New
    -1
    The latest demonization was a cover for incompetent management before the default.
    And Khrushchev spent the denomination, actually devaluing the ruble twice.

    (Anecdote of the Khrushchev era - earlier, 10 rubles you could have lunch 2 times, but now one.)
  10. strelokmira
    strelokmira 16 July 2020 16: 12 New
    +1
    Well hello 1998. Gone from the 90s in them and returned
  11. nikvic46
    nikvic46 16 July 2020 16: 12 New
    +1
    Well, of course, the authorities were worried. But what is now measured in trillions will turn into billions. I know a lot of people who carry cash. And they don’t pay a penny or a ruble to them. The main thing is that there are more of those and others.
  12. Alex66
    Alex66 16 July 2020 16: 23 New
    +4
    "... my friends again do not have enough, evil England has frozen accounts, deputies cannot pay for the education of children at Harvard, help is needed. Please understand."
  13. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 16 July 2020 16: 43 New
    +6
    This would be another crazy and costly idea in the stream of crazy and costly ideas of recent years.
    I would have to spend a lot of money printing paper money at least 5 denominations, and metal money at least 6 denominations. Both in the first and in the second case, these would be colossal circulations - in the case of paper banknotes, these would also be requirements for improving the protection of the banknote, which would play a role in increasing the price of the enterprise.
    It would also be necessary to spend money on the withdrawal of old-style cash denominations, their storage and disposal. News about the denomination in any form and under any sauce would have a certain depressing effect on our foreign partners with positive ruble assets-dangling transactions and (probably) would cause another wave of skepticism within the country associated with the storage and accumulation of money in rubles (taking into account the% deposits that have broken through the bottom and inflation, which khe..khe .. "higher than planned").

    So I don't see any advantages to this "idea". Another highlight in the work of an executioner, perhaps))
  14. bad
    bad 16 July 2020 16: 54 New
    +8
    We remove two zeros and get ... the Soviet dollar. Those “proud” 70 cents per dollar

    That's just the ruble since then depreciated by about 100000 times, taking into account the past denomination (loaf - was 25 kopecks. Now 25 rubles., Beer - 37 kopecks / 40-50 rubles.)
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 16 July 2020 17: 42 New
      +3
      It was 25 kopecks, now 25 rubles, it will be 25/100 = 25 kopecks. This is just not scary.
      It is scary that there is an unobvious catch. It’s not clear what the kid’s share is. And without a kid, our authorities cannot work. They were not taught.
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 17 July 2020 00: 14 New
        0
        It is scary that there is an unobvious catch. It’s not clear what the kid’s share is.
        This situation is reminiscent of the anecdote of a thieving ensign with a wheelbarrow full of manure. It may well be that someone has a business for the production of special paper, paints. Or recycling paper and non-ferrous metals. And the weight of cash within the country is not even measured in hundreds of tons. And all this volume will need to be re-released very quickly. Get the standard price + surcharge for urgency.
  15. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 16 July 2020 16: 55 New
    +3
    The article is "not about anything"! Well, one "miracle of the Great Monitu" blurted out nonsense, not really getting drunk, but after all, almost immediately, explanations and refutations followed! For example, I immediately "took note of them", because there is no point in "denomination" now! It is necessary to react to rumors "wisely" (!) ... because there are so many rumors now that there will not be enough mental hospitals in the country, if you react to everything seriously!
    1. Alf
      Alf 16 July 2020 19: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      because there is no point in "denomination" now

      Precisely, here Pavlov also swore in the evening that "all the rumors about the exchange of money do not correspond to reality," and in the morning he made surprised eyes - How, what do you mean, but I did not know, but who dared ...
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 16 July 2020 20: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Alf
        Pavlov also swore in the evening

        Anything has happened ... But everything flows, a lot changes ... We are changing, little by little, and we ... are becoming less "Soviet obedient" ... I hope that the times have come when insolence like Pavlovskaya or Yeltsin's will not pass so "harmless" for the ruling regime, as before! There is some, but, nevertheless, opposition ... opposition channels on YouTube! Although the ruling regime swears at the opposition, it can no longer completely ignore it ... I hope!
        1. Alf
          Alf 16 July 2020 20: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          There is some kind of, but, nevertheless, opposition ... opposition channels on YouTube!

          And Vaska listens, but eats.
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Although the ruling regime is swearing at the opposition, it can no longer completely ignore it ...

          What is this neglect expressed in? Only in twisting the counters of likes and dislikes after the performances of the most.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 17 July 2020 11: 32 New
            0
            Well, this is your opinion ... but I have already expressed my opinion ...
  16. AB
    AB 16 July 2020 16: 58 New
    +3
    Reading all this, I just want to do conspiracy theories. Beginning. As you can see, the state missed our money. First they say that it is a denomination, and then it turns out that it is a monetary reform. The population has too much cash, so it must be taken away! According to the principles of the 1991 Pavlovian. Then in exchange was no more than 1000 rubles per person. Now they suggest like removing two zeros, but it turns out that not to remove, but to add to the thousand of 1991. As a result, 100.000 are subject to exchange. The alignment is real, our State has always proceeded from the principle "if you don't, you won't live." The treasury needs to be replenished, otherwise, you understand, you have given a lot of money to the distressed millionaires for coronavirus losses. True, they also condescended to the common people, got crumbs. But the people are not a corporation, they will live somehow, and what the hell do they want to keep under the mattress!
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 16 July 2020 17: 12 New
      0
      Reading all this, I want to do conspiracy thesis.
      ... Smoke, there can be no fire ... One figs, they thought up something ...
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 16 July 2020 17: 31 New
        0
        Well, so somewhere it is. The Russian Central Bank, being an accountable structure of the IMF, is obliged to periodically reduce the money supply in the country, which should not be (according to the "budget rule") more than the value of the currency received "legally" by the Central Bank in different ways. The fact that the Central Bank periodically increases the dollar rate, and there is one way to reduce the money supply, by changing its purchasing power. You may ask, where does this surplus money supply come from if the country has a “budget rule”? And it is actually produced by the Central Bank itself and banks at the expense of the refinancing rate and loan rates. That is, all these bank "interest" is the increment in the money supply. Additional currency to cover these "interest" is brought in in different ways - individuals, banks, companies, etc. That is, a certain part of the money "unaccounted for" by the budget rule circulates in the country, and they want to "zero" this money.
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 16 July 2020 17: 49 New
          +3
          Tell me, who and when was the last time you saw a person making a serious cash purchase? The country has long switched to cashless payments. Any citizen of the Russian Federation has a card today.

          I with both hands for cash !!! I do not believe in the triumph of cashless trading in any way !!! When paying in cash, there are some small disadvantages, but they just drown in the mass of glitches, absurdities and scams arising when paying for goods with a card !!!

          Banks cynically throw their customers telling them about the convenience of using the card and without saying a word about the mass of inconvenience when using it !!! An ATM can always fail, a card can be lost or damaged, scammers can steal money from a card, you can forget the pin code and the mass of everything still small and inconvenient ...
          But the biggest minus of using a card is that between the buyer and the seller there is always a constantly lying bank that pursues its goals and usually manages to deceive the first and second !!!
          1. your1970
            your1970 16 July 2020 22: 47 New
            -1
            Quote: Selevc
            I with both hands for cash !!! I do not believe in the triumph of cashless trading in any way !!!
            we have traders moan - what they have to pay a percentage for cash collection and crediting .....
            Guess once - to whom they transfer the money they give for cash ??? !!!
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 16 July 2020 17: 53 New
          0
          Speaking of the IMF, it seems they recommended raising their retirement age ....
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 16 July 2020 17: 45 New
      +1
      The world government decided that commoners had too much money. Therefore, the second wave of the virus is inevitable. Perhaps it will start from Italy. And then they got off too easily.
      Perhaps the denomination for the second wave is timed.
  17. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 16 July 2020 19: 29 New
    0
    So prices are growing at a tremendous pace, even with denomination, even with denunciation, even with reorganization. Though with a sequestration (God forgive me). And there will be growth. Or is someone doing this?!.
    The process itself ... Technically, returning a trifle to release ...
    But I don’t have a change! ... Why are you telling me everything about the big ones ?!
    Recently, I generally switched to calculating on a card.
    Although the American dollar is seventy cents! This is a powerful answer to Chamberlain.
    True, I don’t quite understand why everywhere these messages are about the prices of currency, oil? ...
    I get a salary in rubles. I spend it in them.
    I can’t influence the world oil market at all.
    Why do I need this information on each channel, every day?!.
    1. Alf
      Alf 16 July 2020 20: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Benzorez
      Why do I need this information on each channel, every day?!.

      And this is not for you, this is for Vadim237.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 16 July 2020 21: 13 New
        0
        What does it mean not for Us ?! With my sick / crooked little hands, I create real material values ​​for the state. Anyone can touch them. Every single day.
        And it would seem I have the right to know "what is how much / bandy" ...
        For some reason, people are being "loaded" with exchange rates, oil, gas ...
        Ninety percent of the population has nothing to do with it ...
        Personally, I’m much more interested in prices for panels from AMg, shipbuilding steel, ship / copper / shielded cable, etc.
        Let the media report endlessly! In the morning, at lunch and in the evening.
        1. Alf
          Alf 16 July 2020 21: 16 New
          +1
          What does it mean not for Us ?! Ninety percent of the population has nothing to do with it ...

          So I say this, that this information is for those remaining 10 percent of the population of Russia who use this information to make money from the air. And the opinion of the other 90% is completely indifferent to the authorities, as well as the question of their survival.
  18. Hypatius
    Hypatius 16 July 2020 20: 02 New
    0
    This is from the point of view of the layman, denomination is not needed, and even harmful to the country. But, consider the order of others' thinking and actions:
    1. To replace the "government of the Russian Federation" a new firm of the "government of Russia" with a new emblem was organized. Consider strangers set up a new trust.
    2. Under the pretext of amendments, a vote was taken to amend the Constitution. But, in the opinion of strangers, this is the new "Constitution 2020". The rest will then believe it, just like in 1993.
    3. In confirmation of paragraphs 1 and 2, a new date of Independence has already been proposed (cjsc "RF or Russia?" From the RSFSR-USSR).
    4. Under the pretext of denomination, new "signs of rubles" are issued under a non-existent currency code.
    PS Already, 2 weeks ago, I said here that the new company will need new ersatz money.
    So that everything is logical and interconnected, but from an alien point of view. IMHO.
  19. Tagan
    Tagan 16 July 2020 20: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Snail N9
    Well, so somewhere it is. The Russian Central Bank, being an accountable structure of the IMF, is obliged to periodically reduce the money supply in the country, which should not be (according to the "budget rule") more than the value of the currency received "legally" by the Central Bank in different ways. The fact that the Central Bank periodically increases the dollar rate, and there is one way to reduce the money supply, by changing its purchasing power. You may ask, where does this surplus money supply come from if the country has a “budget rule”? And it is actually produced by the Central Bank itself and banks at the expense of the refinancing rate and loan rates. That is, all these bank "interest" is the increment in the money supply. Additional currency to cover these "interest" is brought in in different ways - individuals, banks, companies, etc. That is, a certain part of the money "unaccounted for" by the budget rule circulates in the country, and they want to "zero" this money.

    People mixed up in a bunch, horses ... Bullshit, in general
  20. Tagan
    Tagan 16 July 2020 20: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    because there is no point in "denomination" now

    Precisely, here Pavlov also swore in the evening that "all the rumors about the exchange of money do not correspond to reality," and in the morning he made surprised eyes - How, what do you mean, but I did not know, but who dared ...

    Denomination in one day is not done. And this is a very costly affair. It’s one thing when inflation is frantic, the salary of an ordinary cleaning woman with six zeros and packs of cash that did not fit in her pockets, but buy horseradish on them. Now it makes no sense at all.
    1. Alf
      Alf 16 July 2020 20: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Tagan
      Now it makes no sense at all.

      Ancient Roman lawyers derived the formula-Seek someone profitable.
      At first glance, the beneficiaries are not visible, but this is scary ...
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 16 July 2020 21: 15 New
        0
        And on the second?
        Maybe it will still manage somehow? .. Without victims.
        Oh please. I beg you very much.
        1. Alf
          Alf 16 July 2020 21: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Benzorez
          And on the second?

          The same is not visible. But! It means only one thing - that some link has been missed by us, but it is, it cannot but be.
          1. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 17 July 2020 20: 29 New
            0
            Here- strongly agree.
            I know from work experience. If everything is going very well, then we are somewhere pr ... whether. Do not go to your grandmother.
  21. Tagan
    Tagan 16 July 2020 20: 50 New
    0
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: Tagan
    Now it makes no sense at all.

    Ancient Roman lawyers derived the formula-Seek someone profitable.
    At first glance, the beneficiaries are not visible, but this is scary ...

    Too multi-tier system, even for the beneficiaries themselves.
  22. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 16 July 2020 21: 32 New
    -1
    Gref and Siluanov's delusional dream is to give up cash. To do this, the liberals threw about denomination. The previous denomination was associated with the liberals Chubais (Ministry of Finance) Dubinin (Central Bank) ... then in less than 9 months 1998 was defaulted.
  23. bandabas
    bandabas 16 July 2020 23: 10 New
    0
    Shaw, again? Once upon a time there was a dog ....
  24. evgen1221
    evgen1221 17 July 2020 07: 04 New
    0
    Rumors at the bench level ??? - so this is the first time that this infa, as a stuffing on Yandex Zen, has passed, the other media have supported the choir further, And where are the shops? In my town no one judges about this garbage because it’s not even vkurse. It’s just that someone is setting the stage and this supposedly public opinion will hide.
  25. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 19 July 2020 22: 50 New
    0
    I read the comments and ... I felt a little uncomfortable. Have the men, who form the basis of this site, turned into bazaar women. There is no discussion of this issue. Achineah rushes from all sides and is established as truth. Ashamed brothers.
  26. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 31 August 2020 13: 19 New
    0
    Until the ruble becomes one of the reserve currencies in the world economy, nothing needs to be changed.