"It's time to intervene": Haftar called on the Egyptian army to war in Libya

Turkey refused a ceasefire in Libya, saying on Monday that any negotiations that did not provide for a resolution to the conflict would not benefit the Government of National Accord, supported by Ankara.

The Turkish Foreign Minister demanded that the "rebels" demonstrate their willingness to cooperate, transferring under the control of the "legal administration" a number of strategically important facilities, including the city of Sirte and Al-Jafrah Air Base.

Given the difficult situation at the front for the Libyan National Army led by Khalifa Haftar, as well as the intention of Ankara and its local forces to continue the offensive, Marshal Haftar requested external military assistance. The Libyan House of Representatives, sitting in Tobruk, also called on the Egyptian armed forces to intervene in the war to protect the country's national security.

After this development, Egypt received official permission from the Libyan side for military intervention

- writes the publication Defense Arabic.

Earlier, Cairo announced its readiness to begin a military operation in a neighboring country if a request is made. Apparently, now the hands of the Egyptian troops are untied.

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[Victor_B]

Egypt vs Turkey!
Modern warfare.
War on foreign territory.
We will see ...

After this development, Egypt received official permission from the Libyan side for military intervention

and on the other hand

received official permission from the Libyan side for military intervention

received Erdogan.

[bayard]

It seems that the batch will be serious - Erdogan bit a bit.
But ... logistics ...
Egypt threatens to sink Turkish ships and transports. Their fleets are proportionate, but Egypt can use its aircraft without refueling.
If the truth is about the delivery and the beginning of the deployment of 3 S-125 divisions from Ukraine by the Turks, then we must hurry with the suppression of the deploying air defense systems of the Turks in Libya - repeat attacks following the example of recent ones. Because if the air defense systems are deployed and ready for war, the Turks will be able to transfer their F-16s to the theater of war and everything will become ... much more serious.

But watching will be interesting.
And the demand for weapons will make this war very attractive for its manufacturers - moderate in price, but reliable and efficient.

[mdsr]

Quote: bayard

Their fleets are proportionate

The Turkish fleet is much stronger, like the Turkish Air Force.

[bayard]

Quote: mdsr

Turkish fleet is much stronger

What?
Both there and there the basis is made up of the old American frigates of the O.H. Parry type, there are submarines, Harpoon missiles. So the fleets are quite comparable to themselves, especially since Egypt will operate closer to its shores - under the cover of its aviation.
And soon he (Egypt) will have onshore PKK "Bal" and "Bastion" - they have already been ordered. A year ago .

Quote: mdsr

like the Turkish Air Force.

This is also a considerable question.
Let’s omit the pilot training - the Turks probably have higher training, but trained pilots ... after the last cleanings, there’s hardly more than half of the fleet (and helicopters too).
The F-16 Turks.
Not the most recent modifications.
The Egyptians:
- brand new "Rafali",
- brand new MiG-29M2,
- "Mirage-2000" (roughly equivalent to the F-16
- delivery of the Su-35 has begun.
- A bunch of old MiG-21s and their Chinese clones, which are quite suitable for striking the ground.
In addition, Havtar has a lot of old, but quite effective tactical missiles, against which Turkish air defense is powerless.

And further .
Do not forget that Erdogan challenged not only Libya and Egypt, but also:
- France
- Greece
- United Arab Emirates
- CA
- Syria
- Iraq
- Armenia (just)
.... Do not tear the bloomers on the twine on this?
If the Turks provoke a naval war in the Mediterranean Sea ... everything that floats at Erdogan will be deprived of this ability in the shortest time and will decorate the bottom landscapes. By joint efforts of all of the above.
Apparently in Turkey they forgot that they exist on historical lands:
- Armenians
- Greeks
- Syrians
- Kurds
- Georgian (yes, Stalin at one time after WWII wanted to return to the Georgian SSR its historical lands illegally captured by Turkey).
Is the Turkish leadership afraid that their state will simply disappear from the map?
In the schools / sects of Gulen for several decades you were brainwashed about greatness and revenge for the new Empire ...
But you missed that Gulen ... is an ethnic Armenian whose parents were killed during ethnic cleansing.
Turks.
And then, as a child, he vowed to devote his life to the destruction of the Turkish state.
He led you to this.
Always led.
A long time ...
And now - you are at the very threshold of a completely new reality for you. A new quality of existence ... or nonexistence ...
He brought you to the slaughter.
And the consequences of the coming your state will not survive.
He simply will not.
Gulen decided so.
You even unconsciously all his puppets of the destruction system he created.
I'm sorry .
Personally, I would choose Azerbaijanis when choosing between Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
Until recently, between Turks and Greeks, I would choose a Turk ... Strange as it may seem for some ...
But you made your choice yourself.
And I sincerely regret you.

But watching, perhaps, will be interesting.
Moreover, if the Azerbaijanis do not push their sides, everything will be very good - they will get Karabakh back, and even without war. Armenians will simply return to their historical lands.

Sad

[Grazdanin]

You have a complete misunderstanding of the layouts.
Turkey is not alone there. She was invited by the official government of the country, she is absolutely legal in Libya, unlike everyone else. Great Britain supports, Italy neutrality in favor of the PNS, Algeria openly supported the PNS. Turkey has one of the strongest fleets in that region, by pennants, by tonnage, with modern weapons. The Turks fleet 2-3 times more powerful than the Egyptian. Algeria’s land army is more powerful than Egypt, if they enter Libya, Algeria will not stay away, they don’t need Egypt’s tanks on its border.
For each lira spent, Turkey received compensation in dollars in ten times the amount.
For Egypt France and the Saudis from the UAE. How the Saudis are fighting, we know. The army of Egypt is a bunch of traders. Generals think more about the lord than about war. More than half of Egypt's economy is controlled by the military. Many people don’t like it. There are many internal problems that escalate as a result of the conflict. We don’t forget about the problems with the Ethiopian dam.
If he speaks about Armenians, everything is very sad for them there. Azerbaijan militarily surpasses completely, Armenia has all the hope for Russia.
In logistical terms, there are no problems either, Egypt needs to send troops across the desert, Turkey by sea, the distances are the same.
In the air between Turkey and Algeria over Egypt, complete superiority.

So until Egypt’s PNS army reaches Benghazi, Egypt will continue to dance at the border. Sirte, Al-Jufra and Sabha will give. You don’t need much more, the conflict will be frozen, there will be no big war, no one needs it.

[bayard]

Quote: Grazdanin

She was invited by the official government of the country, she is absolutely legal in Libya, unlike everyone else.

Let me disagree with you. The PNS is an administration set up by foreign interventionists; nobody has chosen it.
Unlike the Libyan Parliament - the popularly elected, who appointed Havtar to his post.
So the legitimacy of the PNS is completely illusory.
And they recognized it at the UN, because at that time there was no other authority in the destroyed Libya.
The PNS now, like Yeltsin, who was furious in 1993, has been ousted from power by the Supreme Council in compliance with all procedures.
In Benghazi - THE LEGAL PARLIAMENT.
In Tripoli, the impostors supported by the interventionists.
And Turkey in this scenario is another interventionist.

And what modern weapons did you find in the Turkish fleet?
Old American Perries?
So in Egypt there are such.
Just like that.
The air defense of such a frigate is a single-beam anti-aircraft missile system, a group raid is basically not able to reflect.
Especially from different angles.

I do not believe in the intervention of Algeria - the main calm of the borders is to him.
And in order to realize its advantage in aviation (except for training, it is very doubtful), this aircraft must be delivered there, covered and provided with information coverage (AWACS).
The Turks have modern AWACS aircraft, but can they safely place them there?
At the same time, Egypt has 7 "Hokai", the airfields are closer and there is a possibility to be based on the Libyan ones.
Erdogan takes arrogance.
But there is not so much real resource behind this impudence as you painted.
Egypt financially support (and pay all expenses) the UAE and the CA. Technically, they (from their warehouses) and France, as well as Russia, are in accordance with previously signed contracts.
If a serious cut begins, the Turks will not have enough resources.
But it seems that someone from the interest is in need of a war in the region - a big, long one and without a clear winner.
Who do you think?
Maybe ... England?

Italy’s neutrality is not in favor of the PNS - they have contracts and agreements with migrants with the PNS about migrants, but they build the fleet in their shipyards and combat training aircraft specifically for Egypt. And with France, they already frayed about everything.

About Egypt’s internal problems, you don’t get carried away too - in Turkey they are no less, and the throne under Erdogan staggers much more strongly than under Sisi.

And the Karabakh issue will be solved simply - when Turkey collapses, the Armenians will simply leave Karabakh.
To yourself .
To Armenia.
A real, not a former republic of the USSR.

Everyone will tear Turkey - both inside and out - all the grateful victims of its long historical arbitrariness.
And they will regain their statehood.
Even the Kurds.
I don’t know where the Turks are going. Perhaps they will become a new ethnic minority.
But I'm not gloating at all.

[Grazdanin]

Better about Haftar and don’t remember. US citizen and CIA Public Agent.
If you want to believe in the problems of Turkey, I cannot forbid you. But the current situation in favor of Turkey, Egypt is hysterical not because of its strength, but because of its weakness.
The Turks have already completed their tasks, even if they remain in their current positions. There are bases. It would be nice to push the front, but you can wait.
Wait and see.

[bayard]

Quote: Grazdanin

Better about Haftar and don’t remember. US citizen and CIA Public Agent.

So what's wrong with Libya?
Maybe the CIA will support its agent ...
I’m not writing him to the patriots of Russia.
I don’t mention Russia's interests here at all.
In addition to trade, and even then - with Egypt.

[Grazdanin]

And there are no interests of Russia, maximum selfish interests of the Russian government.

[CSKA]

Quote: Grazdanin

Algeria’s land army is more powerful than Egypt, if they enter Libya, Algeria will not stay away, they don’t need Egypt’s tanks on its border.

But this is very controversial. What is your opinion based on?

[babylon]

It could be the beginning of the end of Turkey
Where they came from there and will leave if they don’t calm down

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: mdsr

The Turkish fleet is much stronger, like the Turkish Air Force.

Yes, not really .. there are a little more frigates quantitatively, and there are approximately equal numbers of corvettes and RTOs ... How will the card lie ?!

[Charik]

Uncle you It’s interesting to observe, and if Turks and Egyptians mix up there and then Europeans, we’ll have to get into

[bayard]

Why do we need it?
What are our interests there?
To build a railway?
All oil fields were painted by the French, Italians and other Europeans?
What shall we do at their holiday of life?
Simple - as in WWI from "solidarity" with France?
So that later grateful Europeans will arrange another revolution for us?
Not really - SAMI.
And we will help Egypt by supplying weapons. So they began to supply the Su-35 (photos of the first two in Egypt were given), soon the coastal "Points" and "Bastions" will fit, the S-400 is also expected, It is possible that the MiG-35, T-90MS will be assembled from our vehicle sets, we supply radars, "Armor", "Buki" ...
But with my troops to go there ...
WHAT FOR ?
To the Turks blocked the straits for us?
Trade collapsed not only with them (it is planned to increase trade with Turkey to $ 100 billion), but also in general maritime trade through the Black Sea ports?
For what ?
There are so many sons in Russian families, and Russia suffers from overpopulation?
Turks quarreled with the Arab world (a significant part of it)?
These are their affairs and problems.
Turks ate with France, Greece and the EU in general?
These are the problems of NATO, the EU and Turkey.
Turks entered Libya and squeeze oil from France and other Europeans?
These are the problems of Libyan neighbors and Europeans.
Where did you see the problems and interests of Russia in this scenario?
Russia may have only one interest - the expansion of the arms market for our defense industry. Interest and profit are likely here.
In direct intervention in the conflict - NO.

[Charik]

Why do we need it, because Russia participates in most wars, and this one will be with us, and even Turkey, in which Russia fought with it, how many times?

[bayard]

Quote: Charik

, and even Turkey in it with which Russia fought, how many times?

And when is the last one?
And I remind you - where the young Soviet state saved Turkey from defeating it by Greece (and England and France helping it). They helped with weapons, ammunition, equipment and money (!!!) - with gold.
And they saved Ataturk Turkey.
In gratitude for what, Turkey during WWII, as its Hitler did not pull us into a war against us ... dodged, but did not join Hitler's coalition.
If it were not for Stalin’s mistakes in his policy towards Turkey in the first post-war years, when he demanded the straits from her and our military bases in them ... as well as part of the Turkish territory bordering the Georgian SSR ..., Turkey would never joined NATO and would not be our adversary.
They went too far with pressure ... what can you do - the inspiration of the Great Victory dizzy and played a cruel joke.
Only clinical or inveterate villains participate in all wars. A sane state always remembers its interests, weighs the pros and cons, the expected benefits and inevitable costs.
There is no profit for us in the Libyan adventure - only losses and damaged relations.
Do you have enough of the Syrian conflict with our participation?
Or is everything so comfortable and excessively rich in Russia?
And if you personally are impatient to fight, a PMC named after "Comrade Wagner" is waiting for you. It just provides security for the Italian oil company in Libya.
At the same time and earn.
But they are fighting there.

[lucul]

Egypt vs Turkey!
Modern warfare.
War on foreign territory.
We will see ...

Economically, Turkey will not pull this war (with Libya and Egypt), there is a big problem with logistics. Unless, of course, Turkey, someone does not sponsor .....

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: lucul

Economically, Turkey will not pull this war (with Libya and Egypt), there is a big problem with logistics. Unless, of course, Turkey, someone does not sponsor .....

Egypt has problems with the economy no less than Turkey. but this is precisely what may work as a factor for both sides of the conflict.

[bayard]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

Egypt has problems with the economy no less than Turkey.

Egypt has good sponsors.

[mdsr]

Quote: lucul

there is a big problem with logistics.

There is no big problem with logistics there. By sea, where Turkish ships and submarines patrol, 1500 km to the Libyan port. First of all, they will transfer the F-16 regiment to Al-Vatan airbase. Then, under their cover, the transfer of ground forces by sea will begin. The Turks have more than enough transport ships for this. The Egyptian Navy will be locked in advance at its ports.

[lucul]

First of all, they will transfer the F-16 regiment to Al-Vatan airbase.

Yeah, only he can not swim)))
Or have you, in Tsakhal, already calculated everything? .....

[mdsr]

Quote: lucul

, only he can not swim

And who do you think will bring down a flying aviation regiment of armed fighters?

Quote: lucul

in Tsakhal, have you already calculated everything?

You have a persecution mania. Which waved? Already, that?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: mdsr

And who do you think will bring down a flying aviation regiment of armed fighters?

is he there? in the sense of "flying" or, as usual, on paper?

[unhappy]

No problem
The airbase was not bombed by Egypt. The rich country from the Persian Gulf has determination, means of delivery and destruction of ships. Erdogan wants war, he will get it.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: lucul

Unless, of course, Turkey, someone does not sponsor .....

Sponsors. PNS themselves are not poor, and there is also the British gas company Qatar. Is it in vain that Erdogan recently flew to them?

[Mavrikiy]

Haftar called on the Egyptian army to war

Yes, sitting on a hot stove is better through a heat-resistant gasket.

[Stalllker]

Yeah made in egypt

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Stalllker

Yeah made in egypt

Yes, the reed mat can break out, but then. but for now .....

[Jack O'Neill]

Earlier, Cairo announced its readiness to begin a military operation in a neighboring country if a request is made. Apparently, now the hands of the Egyptian troops are untied.

Do not toss the bags with your tongues. And the owner will not allow Egypt to do this, Lukoshenko doesn’t need it that way ...

[carstorm 11]

will allow. no one will allow just Turkey to win there. there simply should not be a winner. which means you have to oppose something.

[Jack O'Neill]

Trump has an agreement with Lukoshenko, so Lukoshenko will not allow Egypt to go on the attack. But everyone will support Turkey.

[Fungus]

No one will support her

[Jack O'Neill]

Wait and see.

[bayard]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Trump has an agreement with Lukoshenko

Trump is not up to Lukashenko.
And not even to Turkey and Libya - he has a white population black boots kissing.
And we urgently need to look for 16 trillion dollars to pay reparations to Africans.
And elections.
There is no one to help the Sultan ... except in Ukraine.
But it is not exactly .

[alexmach]

Trump noncha is not up to Lukashenko

But by the way, yes - you will think that something like this happened in the world this spring. A virus and black riots, and then suddenly everyone was not up to the former "main lines of the struggle for world peace" .. Well, not quite everyone, but many ..

[bayard]

Quote: alexmach

But by the way, yes - you think that this happened there in the world this spring

It happened right away - from the first of January.
The killing of Suleimani at the Iraqi airport.
Putin's announcement of constitutional reform and the resignation of Medvedev.
As a reaction to this - a world-wide obscurantism with the DESTRUCTION of ECONOMIES.
The launch of black racism and pogroms in the United States with a very distinct prospect of civil war and the collapse of the state.
Turkish intervention in Libya.
And there are many other interesting things that cannot be counted.
... Including the "Star of the Apocalypse" that shone in the skies for over a month.
In short, as the Rothschilds and other reptilians promised us:
"IT WILL BE FUN AND SCARY".
Comes true ...

[Vasyan1971]

The Libyan House of Representatives, sitting in Tobruk, called on the Egyptian armed forces to intervene in the war to protect the country's national security.

The funnel spins up, involving more and more "patients".
Who else remembers "zero" from which this whole bloodbath began?

[codetalker]

We need more mass ... Erdogan will again have to call peaceful rebels from Idlib. Looking forward to a new compression of the “de-escalation zone”?)

[DEVIL LIFE'S]

Personally, I am sorry for people who were civilians on the front line, or who remained under bombardment. It’s sad when strong people solve their problems by destroying your house. Brace yourself for the Libyans. It was necessary to give an earlier base for the Russian VKS.

[bayard]

Quote: DEVIL LIFE`S

It was necessary earlier to give a base for the Russian VKS.

So Havtar suggested, and more than once - in the Benghazi region.
Russia does not have such interests there to get into this fuss.
But for PMCs, this is a business ...
Ka-pi-ta-lizm.
And business is voluntary.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: DEVIL LIFE`S

Personally, I am sorry for people who were civilians on the front line or who remained under bombardment

They themselves are to blame. You need to understand where you live.

[divanka2021]

quarrel at the bar, forelocks crack at the slaves, and this applies not only to distant southern countries,
while everyone will endure the doctrine of the elite and the games of the bosses, it will continue like this, they could build a bright future and peace in the world long ago, but apparently many more cuffs need to be filled until they reach

[rotmistr60]

"Legal administration"

If this "legality" had been accepted unconditionally by everyone, then perhaps there would have been no war.

Egypt received official permission from the Libyan side for military intervention

If Turkey did not send in its troops and intervene in the conflict, then Egypt would calmly observe the development of events from the side. I wonder who the next will be officially involved?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rotmistr60

..... If Turkey did not send its troops and did not intervene in the conflict, then Egypt calmly watched from the side for the development of events. I wonder who the next will be officially involved?

Egypt has long-standing accounts for Turkey.

[Charik]

from Europe - the first France

[Hydrography Bay Golden Horn]

Turkey will even defeat Egypt with limited forces, Turkey has good Generals

[Eugene-Eugene]

Field Marshals in one word

[Hydrography Bay Golden Horn]

Well, everyone outplayed ours
Prigogine is a so-so adviser to the campaign, he has a lot of losses everywhere

[Eragon]

Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn

Turkey will even defeat Egypt with limited forces, Turkey has good Generals

Well, yes, with great experience. The only question is where did it come from?

[etherion]

Only in battle does a person gain the meaning of his existence.

[Gloomy skeptic]

Quote: Etherion

Only in battle does a person gain the meaning of his existence.

This is if you survive in the first.

[Retvizan 8]

Well, Erdogan and the adventurer!

[yfast]

Quote: mdsr

The Egyptian Navy will be locked in advance at its ports.

What is it like? Just will not exit the ports? Take off from airfields?

[Yves762]

Funny.
Although it may end up cutting the country into "zones of occupation", given that the legitimate power there ended with the death of Gaddafi (blessed memory ... .)

[Livonetc]

And the last adequate ruler in Turkey was apparently Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
Turkey takes on an unbearable burden.
New imperial nationalism will bring the Turks to yet another historic failure.

[5-9]

Erdogan - Mengrel .. therefore, he and his pan-Islamism are more profitable for us than pan-Turkism ...

[Sova]

Quote: bayard

Egypt threatens to sink Turkish ships and transports.

Interestingly 5 point of NATO will be involved?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: sova

Interestingly 5 point of NATO will be involved?

definitely not. Turks are such a "respected" member of the alliance that all other members of the alliance will be happy to see the division of Turkey, and will definitely take part in this section

[Gloomy skeptic]

Most likely the Egyptians are haunted by the results of the actions of Russian troops in Syria. So they decided to show themselves and scare others! But against the Turks, they are weak, although they can be driven forward by anger in the genes for oppression in those days when their lands were part of the Ottoman Empire.

[gorenina91]

"It's time to intervene": Haftar called on the Egyptian army to war in Libya

The Egyptian army is noticeably weaker than the Turkish ...- and the Turkish army is well professionally trained ... -Turkey produces its drones (and knows how to use them professionally enough); and also ...- Turkey, under license at its factories, collects F-16 fighter jets and produces its own tanks ... -Yes and the USA ... will clearly be on the side of Turkey (and most likely - will provide arms support)
-And Egypt, obviously hopes for the recently purchased Mistral, which France ...- did not dare to deliver Russia ... -Well, and France and a whole coalition ... of Haftar’s supporters will support Egypt ...
-But, personally, I think that things will not come to direct military clashes between Egypt and Turkey ...

[5-9]

The Turks in Syria so robbed both the Kurds and the SAA. Egypt "produces" Abrams. The conflict is at its border, not overseas.
Oh yes, droneless missiles with 250 kg of missiles each ... it certainly decides ... especially if the enemy has Rafali with S-300VM ...

[Kostadinov]

It is a pity for the Turks and Egyptians, and in the first place the Libyans. Someone needs war, but not the peoples of these countries.
I doubt that Algeria wants the victory of the Islamists in Libya. Moreover, the USA, England, France, Russia and China do not want it. So I doubt that Erdogan will have at least one ally. But can I be mistaken?

[5-9]

I’m not a cannibal, but I really want to look at the result of the collision of Leo-2 in Turkish pens with Abrams in Egypt ...

[Doliva63]

Quote: 5-9

I’m not a cannibal, but I really want to look at the result of the collision of Leo-2 in Turkish pens with Abrams in Egypt ...

Are tank battles planned there? Kursk arc does not give rest?

[Tota]

Now let's see how seriously Egypt made statements in support of the legitimately elected parliament of Libya

[Selevc]

Oh, all these conflicts of the East - today they tear vests on themselves, tomorrow they will hug and kiss their gums and the day after tomorrow they will growl at each other again - and so on to infinity ...
On these all Turkish, Libyan, Egyptian, Arab endless wars, their two-faced and coldly cynical European friends silently make big money ...