Baku does not rule out conflict developing with Armenia into full-fledged military operations

Azerbaijan does not exclude the escalation of the conflict on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border into full-scale hostilities. This was announced by the Ambassador of the Republic in Russia Polad Bulbul-oglu, reports "Moscow Says".

According to the ambassador, Azerbaijan intends to achieve the return of Nagorno-Karabakh, so the armed conflict could escalate into full-scale hostilities. He emphasized that peace talks have not yielded any results for a long time, and only a military solution to the conflict remains.

(...) Azerbaijan will never reconcile with the loss of 20% of its territory. The conversation does not even go about Nagorno-Karabakh, the conversation does not mean that someone wants to expel people of Armenian nationality from there. The conversation is that 20% of the territory of Azerbaijan is occupied. What do you think, a ten millionth, rich, developed infrastructure, armed country will allow to occupy its territory for an infinite amount of time? It's impossible

- said Polad Bulbul-oglu.

The ambassador noted that while "the territory of Azerbaijan is" occupied, armed conflicts on the border are inevitable. All attempts by the "big countries" to freeze the conflict do not lead to anything.

As long as Azerbaijani territory is occupied, such incidents are inevitable. (...) Unfortunately, large countries, our neighbors, are trying to freeze this conflict so that it continues indefinitely. Negotiations cannot go for the sake of negotiations. Negotiations should produce results. (...) We have said this many times that the Azerbaijani people will never accept the loss of their territories. (...) such conflicts will continue and in one day can develop into a large-scale war, which will be a disaster for the entire region

"he said, adding that Baku will not allow the creation of a" second Armenian state on the territory of the South Caucasus. "

Meanwhile, Turkey declared its support for Azerbaijan in the conflict with Armenia.

What Armenia is doing is unacceptable. Let her come to her senses. We will support Azerbaijan to maintain its territorial integrity. Azerbaijan is not alone

- Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said.

In turn, the Russian Foreign Ministry issued an official statement calling on the parties to restraint and ceasefire.

The Russian Foreign Ministry expresses serious concern about the sharp aggravation of the situation on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border on July 12. According to incoming information, hostilities continue. Used artillery. There are killed and wounded. We offer our condolences to the families and friends of the victims. We consider unacceptable further escalation that threatens the security of the region. We urge the warring parties to exercise restraint and adhere strictly to the ceasefire

- The Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Recall that on July 12, an armed conflict broke out on the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan, which lasted all day and all night with interruptions. Losses reported on both sides. Baku and Yerevan are blaming the escalation of the conflict.

Comments

[Graz]

Turks must be officially warned so that even their nose is not shown there

[Oleg kubanoid]

our base in Armenia ..

[Slavs]

In Armenia, our border guards ...

[Slavs]

I wonder what the downsides are? )))

[Atlant-1164]

I read it somewhere ..
“Serpent believe more than Jew, trust more than Greek, but never trust an apian.”
George Orwell

[lis-ik]

Quote: Atlant-1164

but never trust the apian. "

I agree, almost. Had business relations with both peoples, Azerbaijanis were a little more decent in transactions, although Armenians often behaved in a businesslike manner. It is very difficult for me to make a comparison. I wish everyone peace and prosperity in their territories.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

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Quote: Atlant-1164

Serpent believe more than Jew, trust more than Greek, but never trust an apian

I have the "good fortune" to have an Armenian family in my neighbors, you will not wish that to an enemy

[bayard]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I have the "good fortune" to have an Armenian family in my neighbors, you will not wish that to an enemy

Sorry .
I also have considerable experience in communicating with both of them. Moreover, I served then in Azerbaijan, when this conflict began at the RIC of the Air Defense Division and I remember the beginning of this swine very well.
The Armenians began.
Declaring Nagorno-Karabakh its territory and including it in the plan of economic development of the republic.
In the end, the 1989
And the bastard Gorbachev ... supported this initiative.
But this happened after the Armenians expelled all (!) Azerbaijanis from their republic!
In the winter!
Through the mountain passes!
On foot!
And they could carry out of things only what they could in their hands.
And a lot of people just froze on those passes.
It was because of this that Sumgait later exploded.
And even earlier - in 1985, on a square in Yerevan, at a rally, Armenians publicly burned their Soviet passports.
Dashnaks revived from non-existence.

And after all these events, when the central authority in the Kremlin did not react in any way, the last straw was the declaration of N. Karabakh as Armenian territory.
With the still alive Soviet Union!

In January 1990, a rebellion took place in Azerbaijan, an uprising .... in the whole republic. The first secretary (I don’t remember what to call) fled to Moscow ... And the so-called. Popular Front of Azerbaijan.
And he announced ... mobilization to protect his land.
It was the Soviet Union.
And Gorbachev ... supported in this dispute ... the Armenians.
Publicly.
And then the expulsion of Armenians from Azerbaijan began.
Everyone was ...
We hid the Armenian population in our military units and organized their evacuation to other regions of the USSR.
But morally we were on the side of the Azerbaijanis - the truth was obviously on their side.
And on the territory of N. Karabakh, militants from Armenia appeared in ... imported equipment ... attacks began on military units ... there was an attempt to assault the high-altitude air defense unit of the Air Defense Forces.
At night .
But the full moon and SNOW allowed the bandits to be detected at a sufficient distance to raise an alarm and fight back.
The criminals were repelled, taking away the dead and wounded.
But not all.
On one such person they found a Dashnak certificate (an organization of Armenian terrorists that has existed since the late 19th century). By the way, Pashinyan, as far as I know, is also related to this terrorist organization.
But the union press did not utter a word about the crimes of Armenian terrorists. And there were LOTS of them.
And in Armenia "constitutional order" was not established.
While the rebellion in Azerbaijan was crushed quickly and decisively.
And even after the suppression of the rebellion in Azerbaijan, the attacks of the Armenians continued. In their caches were found Israeli Uzi submachine guns, imported plastids, foreign detonators ... A terrorist attack on the explosion of an oil and gas pipeline was prevented (at the very last moment). The bandits flew in (!!!) on two Mi-8 helicopters from Armenia, landed a sabotage group that managed to tie up the pipes with explosives ... and only at the last moment two of our on-duty Mi-24 officers (Sangachal squadron) arrived at this crime - they are detonators did not have time to connect, they remained in a backpack, thrown nearby.
The criminals retreated to Stepanakert and sat right in the square ... and fled, leaving the cars behind.
I myself took part in the prevention of this terrorist attack - this was during my watch.

Therefore, I am very sorry that Russia still supports Armenia in this wrong matter.
This is unreasonable.
And unfair.
Armenia is obliged to return the occupied territories of Azerbaijan (not part of N. Karabakh, but to sit at the negotiating table on the status of N. Karabakh itself.
Indeed, at the time the conflict began, up to 85% of Armenians lived in N. Karabakh itself.
But you need to remember WHEN these Armenians appeared there!
And why are so few indigenous people left on these primordial Azerbaijani lands.
We need to remember what genocide the Armenians who fled from Turkey committed to Russian citizens of Azerbaijanis, taking revenge for their defeat in Turkey (defeat of their rebellion).
They took revenge on the Azerbaijanis! To the citizens of RI !!! (though the Empire then just ordered a long life) ...
They carved several districts there!
And settled on their land.
And for all the time of the Soviet Government, NOBODY asked for it.
And did not remind.
Moreover, they - the Armenians were given the opportunity to create their own union republic within the USSR!
And they decided to seize N.Karabakh also by an explicit procedure ...

These are the roots and drains of this long-standing feud.
Her culprits are Armenians.
From the very beginning .
Long before 1990
And as a partner - trade and geopolitical, Azerbaijan is much more interesting and profitable for Russia.

If Armenia does not return the occupied territories, Russia should not give ANY security guarantee to the Armenians in Karabakh.
Yes, Russia does not have a legal right to this - this is the territory of Azerbaijan. And all guarantees were given - to Armenia.

I repeat once again - it is necessary to immediately return the captured regions of Azerbaijan NOT part of N. Karabakh.
This is the first - an obligatory step.
Next - negotiations with pressure on the Armenian side.
Only in this way will this conflict be resolved.
If the Armenians need land, let them fight with Turkey - their Armenia is there.

[tagil45]

I support, friend. In Odessa region they seize land, in the villages they ruin houses and open them up. And the authorities-Russia-aggressor.

[tagil45]

If the Armenians need land, let them fight with Turkey - their Armenia is there.

[major147]

Quote: bayard

But the union press did not utter a word about the crimes of Armenian terrorists.

I perfectly remember the chronicle on TV of Russia, how the Armenians with weapons attack the military unit.
To the Rostov region. where many Armenians rescued from Crimea by Catherine II live, during the "parade of sovereignties" emissaries from the Caucasus came with the idea of ​​raising the locals. But they were "sent". In general, Don Armenians do not like Caucasians. Like "we left and remained Armenians, and they stayed and became Turks."

[All the memories]

Thank you brother for your kind words. I want to note that, unlike Armenia, Azerbaijan has many thousands of Russians. There are hundreds of Russian schools in Baku alone. My children study in Russian.
Of course, no one needs this war. But the Armenians do not want to live with Azerbaijanis. And ruined the beautiful Union

[Civil]

Well, what's the point in this slaughter? Karabakh cannot be completely repulsed by them; the Armenian lobby in the USA is the third after gays and Jews. In Russia, almost half of the large businessmen are Armenians. All will press against Azerbaijan. Yes, the Turks will speak out for the Azerbaijanis. But the blood in the end will not be clear why, pouring both peoples. The whole civilized world is uniting or looking for ways to increase tourism with trade, and the Transcaucasian republics share the land, you first bring the territories that are in a divine form. Laughter damn it, for the sake of grazing flocks of sheep to kill people. Middle Ages.

[APASUS]

Quote: Civil

Well, what's the point in this slaughter?

The point is that Russia will have to make a choice and we will have another neighbor with resentment. Do you not consider the issue in this plane? And who needs the Americans to help with weapons and other things, just to get another ally against the Russians

[Pereira]

we have another neighbor with resentment

We have all the neighbors with resentment. Everyone wants something from us.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Pereira

We have all the neighbors with resentment

And the most offended neighbor is across the Bering Strait.

[Pereira]

Through Perekop.

[major147]

Quote: Pereira

Through Perekop.

Those are just "offended" .....

[primala]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: Civil

Well, what's the point in this slaughter?

The point is that Russia will have to make a choice and we will have another neighbor with resentment. Do you not consider the issue in this plane? And who needs the Americans to help with weapons and other things, just to get another ally against the Russians

Armenia should become part of the Russian Federation. And the topic will close. There is no other way for the Armenians.
Press Georgia without fail so as not to block the passage.

[Oquzyurd]

Alla, you would have cooked borscht, and necessarily press a little garlic to it to make it tasty. I hate borscht, but there are fans of this dish.

[primala]

Good evening, dear man. Not to borsch today. The country is in danger)))
A comment made one laugh in the subject. (below). The mood lifted. As for accession, I remembered Ossetia ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: primaala

Armenia should become part of the Russian Federation.

This is impossible, the mentality is different.
Still, we are closer to the Azerbaijanis who voted to preserve the USSR.

[primala]

Quote: Spade

Quote: primaala

Armenia should become part of the Russian Federation.

This is impossible, the mentality is different.
Still, we are closer to the Azerbaijanis who voted to preserve the USSR.

... without the right to a subsidy. Otherwise, it will continue endlessly between them.
To be honest, not for those, and not for those. For the sake of our peace. We organize a tourism zone)))

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: primaala

We organize a tourism zone)))

Have you already organized in Chechnya?

[primala]

I know one thing. And convinced. If the Caucasus (ethnic groups) decide to slowly harm Russia, the outcome for them will be disastrous. No no. NOT from the Russian army.
They will be devoured with giblets by those who so desires to push their foreheads with us. Tobish Russian Slavs.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: primaala

They will be devoured with giblets by those who so desires to push their foreheads with us. Tobish Russian Slavs.

Frankly, very curious. What kind of TE?

[primala]

Frankly, very curious. What kind of TE?
======================
The Caucasus without Russia where to go and with whom ??? The answer is the outcome on the surface.
The mentality is not that of these peoples. Everyone fancies himself bei.
Those who cause confusion, they will devour them.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: primaala

The mentality is not that of these peoples. Everyone fancies himself bei.

Well, why do we need it then? Oil transit has stopped, it seems, Georgia is not your partner, and the pig is like a goose, there is no need to punch a corridor to them. So why do we need the Caucasus with national problems, can you explain?

[Oquzyurd]

Azerbaijan was a donor to the USSR, and for 70 years it gave much more than it took. Only at the end (perestroika) did Azerbaijan receive such an economic blow that there was no time for donation. The subsidy is the lot of Armenia, from the first day of the creation of this entity by the Republic of Ingushetia, at first they parasitized on the body of Russia, then the Soviet Union took the baton, now the Russian Federation. They settled down well, however.

[brr1]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Azerbaijan was a donor to the USSR, and for 70 years it gave much more than it took. Only at the end (perestroika) did Azerbaijan receive such an economic blow that there was no time for donation. The subsidy is the lot of Armenia, from the first day of the creation of this entity by the Republic of Ingushetia, at first they parasitized on the body of Russia, then the Soviet Union took the baton, now the Russian Federation. They settled down well, however.

And in figures there is information confirmed? Or is this classified information?

[Oquzyurd]

It’s no secret that there were tables of production and per capita expenditures of the Union republics. 50-60-70 years. As I saw them in some newspaper, I don’t remember exactly which one. Now you will only find them in the archives, they will not be inserted in the internet, since this will paint a complete picture, and this does not correspond to the interests of some comrades who are determined to show the Union republics only in a negative respect, such as they were all parasites. But something remained. https://www.politforums.net/historypages/1514072113.html
there is a table here, not of the best period of the USSR, the years of perestroika and collapse. Even here you can see that in the initial year of perestroika, Azerbaijan produced 11 thousand rubles per capita, and consumed 7,4 thousand rubles. (1985, then a sharp decline , up to the collapse of the country) With the deduction of the years of perestroika, the rest of the years Azerbaijan always produced more than consumed. For comparison, Armenia, an economy that relied on huge subsidies (not deservedly), made even more per capita in rubles (due to the same subsidies) but consumed much more, sucking the USSR, like a flare on the body of a cow. Armenia produced 12,7 thousand rubles per capita, and consumed as much as 32,1 thousand rubles per capita (1985, then also a relative decline in production, but consumed until the end of the USSR (sucked) almost at the same high level.

[brr1]

When I studied at Hogwarts (sorry the diploma was lost, but it was), we provided the whole world with magic wands, but then they were all lost. There are no papers left, but all of our in the know

[Oquzyurd]

Do not talk nonsense, I gave you a link and there is data per capita since 1985.
https://www.politforums.net/historypages/1514072113.html Не выгодном свете производства и потребления Армении да? Решили мимо присКакать,типа не видели?

[brr1]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Do not talk nonsense, I gave you a link and there is data per capita since 1985.
https://www.politforums.net/historypages/1514072113.html Не выгодном свете производства и потребления Армении да? Решили мимо присКакать,типа не видели?

Do you have countries besides Turkey, Armenia, and Azerbaijan? The economies of all republics were closely interconnected and worked as one mechanism; they were not closed within themselves. What was Azerbaijan producing besides oil and vegetables with fruits, without which others could not do?

[Oquzyurd]

It’s about subsidies, and I said, I gave an example that Azerbaijan did not live on the account of subsidies, but rather was a donor. I gave an example of the difference how your Armenia lived (parasitized).
And so, Oil in the USSR, for a long time Azerbaijan was the main supplier for all republics. And during the Second World War, diesel provided 72%, and gasoline 78% of all consumption of tanks, wheeled vehicles and aircraft. From large industrial enterprises, the chemical industry in Sumgait and Baku, provided the country with various chemical products. The Ganja aluminum plant was a very large producer of raw materials for the enterprises of the USSR. The Baku plant of air conditioners, provided the whole country with household air conditioners, was exported to 42 countries of the world. In addition, The Baku refrigerator plant, under the brand name "Apsheron" and "Chinar", was also in the homes of citizens of the USSR, along with "Orsk" and "Zil Moscow" .... etc. In agriculture, no one even suspects that Azerbaijan produced more grapes and wine than Georgia and Moldova combined. (1.3 million tons was the weight of the harvested grapes per year) Besides, after Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan was the second cotton producer in the USSR. ( about (+ -) 1 million tons per year), etc.

[brr1]

Quote: Oquzyurd

It’s about subsidies, and I said, I gave an example that Azerbaijan did not live on the account of subsidies, but rather was a donor. I gave an example of the difference how your Armenia lived (parasitized).
And so, Oil in the USSR, for a long time Azerbaijan was the main supplier for all republics. And during the Second World War, diesel provided 72%, and gasoline 78% of all consumption of tanks, wheeled vehicles and aircraft. From large industrial enterprises, the chemical industry in Sumgait and Baku, provided the country with various chemical products. The Ganja aluminum plant was a very large producer of raw materials for the enterprises of the USSR. The Baku plant of air conditioners, provided the whole country with household air conditioners, was exported to 42 countries of the world. In addition, The Baku refrigerator plant, under the brand name "Apsheron" and "Chinar", was also in the homes of citizens of the USSR, along with "Orsk" and "Zil Moscow" .... etc. In agriculture, no one even suspects that Azerbaijan produced more grapes and wine than Georgia and Moldova combined. (1.3 million tons was the weight of the harvested grapes per year) Besides, after Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan was the second cotton producer in the USSR. ( about (+ -) 1 million tons per year), etc.

Tales of the Vienna Forest is everything. Verbiage. With which of the former republics do not talk, they all tell tales how they fed the whole union. This is the first. Secondly, I don’t care about Armenians as well as Azerbaijanis. I am simply against Turkey and its hangers-on. Like any on this site, except for a group of supposedly Turkophiles, but in fact they are simply clowns of mummers from whom a group of collective farm special propaganda carries a mile away. The Jewish lobby on the site is still more educated, more professional, and more coddled.

[tech3030]

I think Baku oil has made a very large share in the economy of the USSR.

[Lopatov]

Quote: primaala

Otherwise, it will continue endlessly between them.

It will be.

[Oquzyurd]

In fact, Azerbaijanis are close to everyone, and this is due to the tolerant mentality of the nationalities and ethnic groups of Azerbaijan, accustomed to living together in peace and harmony. Individuals of the people of Azerbaijan are capable and so educated that they can live in a multinational society. Note that, despite this, Usually, we are treated from the outside, to put it mildly, otherwise, biased in a bad sense. Your words are a relatively rare case that you think Azerbaijanis are more close than Armenians.

[MstislavHrabr]

Armenians have a more ancient history and traditions of an independent state (Urartu, etc.). But they are closer to us because the Orthodox ... Azerbaijanis arose as a fragment of an empire (one empire with us since the Mongols) That is, we were originally 2 parts of the same country ... But they are not supporters of equal relations, they believe that they should be more important (or that the one who is stronger than that and the main one is BEY), besides they are Muslims and this leaves its mark ... Only some new Genghis Khan can unite us with them

[Oquzyurd]

"But they are not supporters of equal relationships," On the contrary, supporters of real equality, but they do not intend to obey, it will be more accurate. so that they obey, the equality of tinsel. And they are "loved" not because they are "Orthodox", who have the main Catalikos (from the word Catholic), the branch of the religion Gregorian, but in the circles of real clergy they are generally considered Heretics. You can check, I'm not lying.

[MstislavHrabr]

To me our so-called. heretics (Old Believers) are as close as other Orthodox Christians. The main thing is that they do not impose their religion on others ... By the way, the "Golden Horde" collapsed precisely because the khans began to impose on everyone (Buddhists, Orthodox Christians, etc.) Islam as the only and obligatory religion for all ...

[Oquzyurd]

And to me, by the way, the religious aspect of countries and peoples is not influential throughout Azerbaijan, and we don’t get hung up on the religious affiliation of one or another. This can be understood in minutes if you look at the level of relations between Azerbaijan and different countries, and religion in these countries. Azerbaijan is open and far from a country of religious fanaticism. Yes, we are Muslims, but deep down we are still Huremites (followers even in the Middle Ages wore symbolic wooden swords and daggers so as not to accidentally kill a person) professing equal rights to everything. They are sometimes called the most democratic people in the world. ..

[bayard]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Yes, we are Muslims, but deep down we are still Huremites (followers even in the Middle Ages wore symbolic wooden swords and daggers so as not to accidentally kill a person) professing the equal rights of all. They are sometimes called the most democratic people in the world ..

Huramits - a branch of Zoroastrianism ... in those days, you and I were of the same faith. after the Arab defeat, Babek remained at war with the invaders, and Bayan (sort of like his brother) led most of the people north ...
You see, we also had the same names then. ... and you - those who remained there, did not have a Turkic admixture from the Seljuk Turks. They later came.
During my service in Azerbaijan, young guys - warrant officers from local people came up to me and said, "The old people told us that we used to be like you."
- What? - I ask.
- Absolutely - they say - like you. Light brown.
They laughed then, but later found out that it was so.

[major147]

Quote: Oquzyurd

And to me, by the way, the religious aspect of countries and peoples is not influential throughout Azerbaijan

For the sake of objectivity, I want to note that to this day there are exclusively Russian villages on the territory of Azerbaijan. I haven’t heard of such people in Armenia.

[Oquzyurd]

I will add that these villages, as an exception, were allowed to maintain the collective farm management of the economy, as the residents of these villages wanted. Moreover, according to the decree of the late Aliyev senior, banks provide loans to these farms at low interest rates. In Baku, shops were allocated for direct implementation. products produced in these villages. That is, the country is trying to ensure that these villages live well, so as not to give the enemies a reason to throw mud at Azerbaijan, like they offend the Russians. Although, so that they do not, no matter how they behave, it does not matter if necessary, hate, spit and kick, especially in TV programs and in shows of famous characters, along with a bunch of ikspyrts, fans of "Ararat".

[bayard]

Quote: Oquzyurd

You can check, I'm not lying.

You're not lying, Jeyhun.
It's true .
Armenians - Monophysites, condemned at the First Ecumenical Council heresy.
So nothing brings us closer to them.
Another thing is the Turks.
These are ours.
Both blood kinship (although not very close, but direct), and mentality closer.
So, in this ugly business of Russia, it is Azerbaijan that must be supported ... but it can be seen in the power circles that there is a strongly Armenian lobby.
So the main thing you do not break firewood with Russia, but the land must be returned.

[bayard]

Quote: MstislavHrabr

Armenians have a more ancient history and traditions of an independent state (Urartu, etc.).

Come on, what antiquity do Armenians have?
What Urartu?
The Armenians are one of the tribes of Israel who was brought into slavery by the Assyrians on the ground of the Urartu state, THEREOF BY THEM (the surviving inhabitants of Urartu went to the North. These are Lezghins, caskets ...
And the Armenians are Jews (strangers translated from Egyptian) from the tribe of Assurov, and have nothing to do with Urartu.
At the same time, the legendary state of Aria / Aristan / Arran existed on the territory of Azerbaijan (North and South - in Iran). It was founded by the community of Zarathushtra (originated from Datia - northern India, the state of Paradata), and this name was also preserved as ... Iran (the second name given to this land ... by the Aryans of Zarathushtra (we read the "Veles Book") and means Paradise Land - Iriy = Paradise). To the south, the Parsis lived then (or Farses - the people of the Farsi, which is why the language of modern Iran is Farsi). After a while, under the leadership of the Aryans, both states united and created the Empire. The Greeks called this empire Persia, they themselves proudly called themselves Iran, emphasizing their Aryan origins ... at least - the nobility.
"I am Darius, son of Darius, grandson of Arius" - is written on the tomb of Darius-2 ...
Ethnic Arians lived in the north of the Empire, and the province was called Arran.
After the Arab defeat, the Avars (as the Transcaucasian Arians were called by that time) went north. They were brought out by a prince named ... Bayan. Not that he sang songs - the name among the Russian nobility was too popular ... Part of the Avar remained in the North Caucasus, in Dagestan, including , and most of them went further, they were now called Avars, created their own kaganate on ... the territory of present-day Ukraine, but after 300 years they were defeated in the war with Byzantium and the rest of them remained in the Balkans. These are Albanians.
And the rest of the Avars in Transcaucasia later mixed with the Seljuk Turks who came from the Caspian Sea ... that is how the AZERBAIJANIS appeared.
They really professed one of the directions of Zoroastrianism for a long time and they were called Khuramits (fire-worshipers), because on Absheron in the cave burning unquenchable gases emanating from the earth. And in Zoroastrianism it is supposed to maintain a sacred fire ... in that cave he himself burned unquenchably.
So, by antiquity of both of its branches - both Avar and Turkic, Azerbaijanis are much more ancient than the former Egyptian slaves.
And by blood, they are not just closer to us ... the fact is that nothing is related to us at all with the Armenians.
By the way, the Armenians are not at all rightful, they are MONOPHYZES. Heresy condemned at the very first Ecumenical Council.
So do not drag this nation perpendicular to us in kinship or proximity.
And Azerbaijanis, albeit distant, are relatives.
and on both branches.
That's it.

[major147]

Quote: bayard

sacred fire ... in that cave he himself burned unquenchably.

I had the honor to see.

[bayard]

Quote: major147

I had the honor to see.

In that same 1988, I came to serve in Azerbaijan after graduating from a military school. I heard about that cave, but I never visited it myself.
It's a pity .

[All the memories]

Historians have proven that Chechens are close to Urartu. Many ancient inscriptions have been deciphered by the Chechen language.

[bayard]

Quote: Vsepomni

Historians have proven that Chechens are close to Urartu.

And not only .
Avars, Lezgins, caskets, Ossetians - after the defeat of Asiria, the inhabitants of Urartu (translated from the first language roughly "standing / standing in front of God") went north to the Caucasus (on both slopes, most of them to the north). In Urartu, Zoroastrianism was practiced - on the top of one of the mountains of that area, the ruins of a huge temple complex with the remains of statues of seven deities of the Zoroastrian pantheon (Seven Uncreated Immortals) were recently discovered.
I heard that the Chechens in the Middle East are called "shysheni" ... at the same time in the Far East there was a warlike people on the border with the Chinians - SHUSHENI, while the Chinians (the Chinese for us) called them according to their speech apparatus CHZHUR-CHZHENI.
The Soviet academician G. Grinevich and the contemporary Russian academician Chudinov were engaged in deciphering the writing of the Chzhur-chzhen (very convincing and visual deciphering). The language turned out to be close to Russian / Ancient Aryan, closer even to modern Russian than to Avestan or Sanskrit.
I don’t know how Urartu was written, I didn’t come across their written monuments (I will have to search on the Internet), but the written language between the rivers and the Proto-Babylonian civilization (like the Cretan, Pelazgian, Etruscan) are different types of writing (alphabet) of the same language. Or rather his dialects.
I didn’t work with the Chechen language, but if you take the Turkic language, then in fact it’s like ... encryption of Russian / Aryan words with swapped syllables. It turns out very funny - we played like that in childhood, inventing codes and "new languages".
Chechens are Vainakh people. That is - the military people, the warrior people. But this simply doesn’t happen among peoples, and even the name of the group (Vainakh peoples), says that before it was not a people, but the CONDITION. Or KASTA. In the same meaning as:
- COSSACK
- TURK
- TATARIN
In all of the above cases, these are not peoples, but the CONDITION IS A BORDER GUARDIAN WAR.
Great Empire.
And these peoples / estates lived just on the borderline of two worlds - the Aryan and the Dravidian.
ARIUS - good, pious.
DRAVID is a different kind (of a person).
And since the Chechens have retained their self-designation by caste - voyakhi (warriors), there is no need to translate anything for either the Russian or the Chechen.
The modern religions that divided us are actually very young and in essence are weak, simplified replicas of the ancient FAITH, when all our peoples were united.
Later "scholars" called it Zoroastrianism, and the law itself was called YASNA.
For the Russian ear, everything is CLEAR, TRANSPARENT, CLEAR without any translation.
And the followers of this FAITH were called:
jars
yasuns
asami
Well, and more, if more completely - by Mazdo-Yasnians.
MAZDA - in Avestan \ Old Aryan - MIND.
FAITH OF CLEAR (unclouded) MIND.
But it was a long time ago ...
In the Muslim culture, an invaluable monument of that ancient FAITH and KNOWLEDGE has survived since that time - the Great Work of the Great Man (albeit slightly edited by the author) "The Book of Kings" - "Shah Name" of the brilliant Ferdowsi.
It is both a textbook for educating young people and just a masterpiece of refined literature.
"The Book of Kings" is an integral part of the lost fullness of the Avesta - its historical part. Edited so as to be preserved in the conditions of Islam.
This book just oozes with wisdom ... and perfectly fits the music ...
There is no better textbook for educating young people than "Shah Name".
Use a sim diamond, there is a magnificent translation into Russian with Farsi.

[Victorio]

Quote: Spade

Quote: primaala

Armenia should become part of the Russian Federation.

This is impossible, the mentality is different.
Us nevertheless closer Azerbaijaniswho voted for the preservation of the USSR.

===
well yes. Of the 3.5 million Russian Azerbaijanis, more than half live in Moscow. Armenians are actively living in the south. Of course, everyone is equal in the country, but it would not hurt the Russians to learn from the Caucasians to hold on to each other.

[Lopatov]

Apparently, in my post you missed the most important thing.
And about "hold on to each other" ..... The Ironman says about the Kudar people "come in large numbers here." I heard it more than once, not two or three.

[APASUS]

Quote: primaala

Armenia should become part of the Russian Federation. And the topic will close. There is no other way for the Armenians.
Press Georgia without fail, so as not to block the passage

Why, what will we get besides another hemorrhoids?
We see perfectly what we got in the Crimea, and the better Armenia is in this respect, and nothing. This is exactly the same breakthrough that needs to be restored, supplied and also protected, while it is still in a state of military conflict! And also a specific mentality, they are essentially captive allies, they could have left, but only enemies were around (remember it was the Armenians who introduced the Americans to the S-300, when they delivered ours, such a friendly message from the Armenians)

[vindigo]

What for they are needed.

[All the memories]

If you let the Armenians in, they will ruin you

[tech3030]

Russia, as represented by politicians, as always expresses concern ...

[A good one]

Quote: Civil

Laughter damn it, for the sake of grazing flocks of sheep to kill people. Middle Ages.

It’s funny to you, but I’m getting married. Apparently they decided for themselves that a positive resolution of territorial issues is the basis for the restoration of their statehood.

[novel66]

Well, Viktorovich, this has its own truth, but no one wants to concede ... and so, yes, the borders must be clearly defined. my regards

[A good one]

Quote: novel xnumx

Well, Viktorovich, this has its own truth, but no one wants to concede ... and so, yes, the borders must be clearly defined. my regards

Good health, Roman
Each one really has his own truth, they are small nations, there was little attention to them at one time. Yes, and heating from the side is still.

[g1v2]

The point is that the status quo does not suit both sides and they both really want to fight. Azerbaijan is not happy with the loss of a fifth of its recognized territory and they are ready to try to recapture at least something. Armenians are not happy that the NKR became a suitcase without a handle. That is, they can live in it, but they cannot develop, build an airport and infrastructure. Attach to your territory too. They were members of the CSTO, provided that the NKR was not recognized as their territory. Both sides hope that during the war they will be able to change the status quo in their favor. There is only one obstacle - the RF, which they cannot ignore.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Civil

Laughter damn it, for the sake of grazing flocks of sheep to kill people. Middle Ages.

There is no laughing matter. In a state bordering on Russia, the matter is going to war, and who needs a war near by, and who else but two sides will be tied to this war. One thing is certain, they will not be friends of Russia. You need to extinguish the fire by any means, to prevent the war from starting.

[major147]

Quote: tihonmarine

and who needs war

To tell who needs a war next to Russia?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: major147

To tell who needs a war next to Russia?

And about that, only the USA is needed.

[fiberboard]

Everything is not so simple if they shared sheep’s grazing. And what will the large Armenians of Russia do, send our children to fight for Armenia? The guarantor, of course, can crack a similar number. Just what can it cause in the country? There is no people’s love in the country for either the guarantor or the Armenians. Why do we fight for someone’s interests? Let them solve their problems themselves.

[bayard]

Quote: Civil

Laughter damn it, for the sake of grazing flocks of sheep to kill people. Middle Ages.

There is very fertile land.
And the climate.
You can plant trees with cuttings - they germinate.
It is necessary to put pressure on Armenia - then it will be good.
It is Russia that needs to be pressed - justice requires this.
True, the wisdom of the Russian leadership on this issue has very great doubts.

[Yura]

Quote: Gorecc

and Turkey does not have the right

Are you a Turk or something?

[gorecc]

but it seems?) no, I'm not a Turk, and not even an Azik

[Rakovor]

It is clear, "the great Ukrainian"))

[gorecc]

again past .. I give a hint, I'm a citizen of Russia, tobish Russian)
although I don’t understand where is my nationality at all, regardless of this I always try to be objective and reason soberly ..

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Gorecc

again past .. I give a hint, I'm a citizen of Russia, tobish Russian)
although I don’t understand where is my nationality at all,no matter what, I always try to be objective and reason soberly.

Objectively?! Soberly ?! However, there are great doubts about this. Do not you own this saying -

Russia can poke its nose in Libya, Syria, and Turkey does not have the right to poke its nose in the backyard of Russia... that these are imperial ambitions, or hypocrisy and double standards?

Tell me objectively and soberly, is it not observed in the same Syria and Libya the nose of the same Turkey? Or is your sight shot down and you don't see anyone there except Russia? Is it imperial ambition, or hypocrisy and double standards? What kind of vegetable did the Turkish special services make in Chechnya in the first and second military companies, without knocking entering the backyard of the Russian Federation back in the 90s, establishing a corridor for the bearded rabble from Jordan through Georgia and the Pankisi Gorge to Chechnya. For those "pranks" they have not yet been fully asked.

[1976AG]

Well, in general, the turmoil in Chechnya was staged by the American special services, so many thousands of victims are on their conscience. And if you are a citizen of Russia, why do you say “ask OWNs there”? So who are “yours” for you?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 1976AG

Well, in general, the American secret services made a mess in Chechnya

Expand the thought, please.

[1976AG]

Well, what do you need to deploy? Tell who arranges color revolutions around the world? Or maybe Arabs and Negroes are indigenous to Chechnya?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 1976AG

Well, what do you need to deploy? Tell who arranges color revolutions around the world?

No, thanks. It is about Chechnya that you tell us about how the Americans convinced Dudaev to drive oil transit at world prices, and how the same Americans urged Alkash of All Russia to disagree with this. And also tell us about the national pogroms in Chechnya, when the Russians wrapped guts on fences. Also striped prompted?

[1976AG]

How exactly did the curators convince you to tell you, but the fact that the Americans kill the people, organize riots and send mercenaries is this the first time you hear about this? Why didn’t they focus on Arabs and Negroes in Chechnya? Does it spoil your version of events?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 1976AG

Why didn’t they focus on Arabs and Negroes in Chechnya? Does it spoil your version of events?

In no case. Arabs' money, Khattab ... And what do you forget about our current allies, Turks? And about the Americans in more detail, please. And then I know about the British, but I don’t remember about them in Chechnya.

[1976AG]

And since when did the Turks become our allies? What do you need more about Americans? Forgot who owns the CIA? What are you so? Remember about England, but not about the states ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 1976AG

And since when did the Turks become our allies?

But aren’t we building them a nuclear power plant for our money, and aren’t we selling them the S-400? The gas pipeline is still there, its a swing. And, that’s right, the money doesn’t smell ... So. They do not smell, they stink of them.

Quote: 1976AG

What do you need more about Americans?

And what I wrote.
Or was it American Bom who was sitting in the basement of Dudayev’s palace, and not our deputy Kovalev, offering to give up to ours?

[1976AG]

If you consider allies all with whom we have trade and economic relations, then then we have almost the whole world allies. You do not confuse these things. As for someone sitting in the basement, this just does not mean anything. Traitors have always been, are and unfortunately will be. It would be better to ask who they work for. Although this is also not difficult to understand. It is enough to ask a question to whom it is profitable.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 1976AG

It is enough to ask a question to whom it is profitable.

And it was beneficial to our nouveau riche, whose money flowed between their fingers, and we don’t have to drag Americans here.

[1976AG]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: 1976AG

It is enough to ask a question to whom it is profitable.

And it was beneficial to our nouveau riche, whose money flowed between their fingers, and we don’t have to drag Americans here.

That is, the Americans, who for decades have been developing plans for the destruction of the USSR, and after the collapse of the Union tried to ruin Russia, are conflicts unprofitable on the territory of Russia ??? And they have nothing to do with it ?? It’s not me who drags the Americans in, they climb everywhere where they don’t ask them! And by the way, why are you so zealously defending them? Do you work for them for an hour too?

[Mordvin 3]

What are you writing about? At that time, Yeltsin was sitting a whole Codla from the CIA.

Quote: 1976AG

conflicts in Russia are disadvantageous ???

No, they were not profitable at that time. Somehow they gathered vigorous loaves on the territory of Russia.

Quote: 1976AG

And by the way, why are you so zealously defending them? Do you work for them for an hour too?

Have a drink castors.

[1976AG]

It’s like you don’t understand what you are writing. Instead of looking at the cause of the event, you stare at its effect. You see Yeltsin’s Kodlu from the CIA, but why, in principle, people like him do not want to understand the power. What they did not want the collapse of Russia is just the rarest nonsense! Did they draw maps on which Russia was divided between other countries? Wasn't the American secretary of state saying that it is unfair when enormous wealth belongs only to Russia? About plans for the descent into Russia, I just do not say anything. It seems that you are awake from a long sleep and you won’t understand how everything works in our life. And I'll leave castor to you - you need it)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 1976AG

and why, in principle, there were people like him in power who you don’t want to understand.

And why do you think? Yolkin was an unwanted candidate when he came to the bridegroom in the USA in the 89th.

Quote: 1976AG

What they did not want the collapse of Russia is just the rarest nonsense!

What are you writing? Bush went nuts when a drunk called him and told him that the USSR no longer existed.

Quote: 1976AG

Did they draw maps on which Russia was divided between other countries?

Cards, please. With release dates.

Quote: 1976AG

Wasn't the American secretary of state saying that it is unfair when enormous wealth belongs only to Russia?

Putin: "I am not familiar with this, say Albright" ...

Quote: 1976AG

About plans for the descent into Russia, I just do not say anything.

What kind of plans are these? It is to Russia?

Quote: 1976AG

It seems that you are awake from a long sleep and you won’t understand how everything works in our life.

Quote: 1976AG

I’ll leave castor for you - you need it

Well, drink activated carbon or something. Just don’t write later that the evil mattresses slipped it to you.

[1976AG]

Yes, Bush didn’t lose his fear of the collapse of the USSR, but because he could not believe what had finally happened. Unfortunately I can’t get the cards from the Pentagon. But if you want, you can find copies of them on the World Wide Web. Putin does not remember this statement Albright? Or maybe he does not know about the desire of the states to control the Northern Sea Route? And about castor oil with coal .... Dear, do not tell me what to do and I won’t tell you where to go.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 1976AG

Yes, Bush didn’t lose his fear of the collapse of the USSR, but because he could not believe what had finally happened.

So you do not confuse the collapse of the USSR with the collapse of Russia.

Quote: 1976AG

Putin does not remember this statement Albright?

These are his words. I can find the video.

Quote: 1976AG

But if you want, you can find copies of them on the World Wide Web.

Oh no. You stated, you and lay out.

[1976AG]

What surprise you with plans for an attack on Russia? Since you are taking Putin’s remarks, remember how he repeatedly said that missile defense systems in Europe are directed against Russia. Or do you also not remember this? Or maybe they are directed against the USSR? Some kind of memory you have is selective. And you will find the cards yourself, this is not a problem.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 1976AG

missile defense systems in Europe are directed against Russia. Or do you also not remember this?

I do remember. However, it’s good how to blame internal problems on external enemies. The residents of Khabarovsk must also be kicked into the street by Americans.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mordvin 3

The residents of Khabarovsk must also be kicked into the street by Americans.

Khabarovsk residents were driven to the street by stupidity. Kicks. For to demand the termination of the investigation in relation to a possible killer is beyond human adequacy.

[1976AG]

Don't jump off the topic. It was about the aggressive policy of the states towards Russia. And a long-term aggressive one. And here the residents of Khabarovsk ??? Or are you ready to go on any topic, if only God forbid not to put amers in an unfavorable light? So remember about the deployment of missile defense, probably also remember NATO's eastward advance. We were surrounded on all sides by bases, well, this is probably also because they "want peace in the world." And they wish us only the best !!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 1976AG

state policy towards Russia. Moreover, many years of aggressive. And here the residents of Khabarovsk ??

You started this about Chechnya and the American special services. Where did I jump from the topic?

[1976AG]

And where does the residents of Khabarovsk ???

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 1976AG

And where does the residents of Khabarovsk ???

And what have the Chechens got to do with it? Explain to me, tell us how the State Department pushed members to cut off their kicks with our kicks.

[1976AG]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: 1976AG

And where does the residents of Khabarovsk ???

And what have the Chechens got to do with it? Explain to me, tell us how the State Department pushed members to cut off their kicks with our kicks.

Are you having a headache? I talked about the fact that the West benefits from inciting conflicts within Russia and along the perimeter of borders. And this crap about the members is what you yourself came up with.

[andrew42]

There is an allegory "if the stars are lit, then someone needs it." Your position "The USSR has collapsed itself" - it will not interest any sane person anymore, these are the old State Department mantras for "Russian Indians". And in general, Bush Sr. is purple "ofigel" or not. I was glad and surprised by the deadlines, that's for sure. Well, just Chernomyrdin was resurrected in your words, he was a fan of slaves to blame: "We destroyed the country ... We destroyed the economy ..." years, taking into account all the pain points (and which state does not have them). If the USSR waged a conceptual war of the same intensity against the masters of the United States, then the States would have cracked like a rotten nut long ago. However, Mishka-Yegupop decided to make us "friends" with the worst enemy. The result was predictable, there was no need to go to a fortune-teller - such lessons are taught in the simplest everyday life, not just in geopolitics.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Gorecc

But at the same time, he is convinced that Turkey has no right, and should not climb into the Caucasus, which for a moment is not thousands of kilometers from Turkey, but literally under their nose.

It seems that you deliberately consider the Caucasus as implicitly existing outside Russia and focus on the fact that Turkey borders on it. Well, not a small part of the Caucasus is an integral part of Russia. Moreover, Turkey, unlike us, does not border with Azerbaijan. Ethnically, Azerbaijan is probably nevertheless closer to Iran, but Turkey is trying to strengthen its position there using Azerbaijanis to play both against Russia and against Iran. Do you think that the strengthening of Turkey near Iran is in the interests of Iran? Not. It does not meet our interests either. Is it not better for Ankara to take a neutral position, rather than come up with provocative slogans to support Baku’s actions in relation to Karabakh, so as not to receive retaliatory countermeasures from the Russian Federation and Iran.

[gorecc]

you just have to understand one thing. If Russia has its interests in distant Libya and Syria, and it is present there. How can you demand from Turkey that it does not interfere in the affairs of the Caucasus, which is at their side and directly affects their interests? It is clear that in the Caucasus, Russia also has its own vital interests, and its position will be clearly stronger than Turkish, but this does not cancel all of the above ...

Moreover, Russia, unlike Turkey, does not border with Armenia, and what next?
And yes, if I am not mistaken, Turkey borders on Nakhachivan, and this is the territory of Azerbaijan, so it turns out Turkey borders on both countries, unlike Russia ..

on paper, they may be closer to the Iranians, but in fact, if you ask who your best friends are, the Azerbaijanis will answer you - Turks! Turkey and Azerbaijan have much closer allied ties than Azerbaijan-Iran.
in Turkey they consider Azerbaijan their ally, and of course they will support them, at least morally and verbally. Considering that Russia plays on the side of Armenia, I do not see anything surprising and criminal here ..

[MstislavHrabr]

A citizen of the Russian Federation is not a nationality.

[Yura]

Imperial ambitions say, aren't these:

The Russian Foreign Ministry expresses serious concern about the sharp aggravation of the situation on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border on July 12. According to incoming information, hostilities continue. Used artillery. There are killed and wounded. We offer our condolences to the families and friends of the victims. We consider unacceptable further escalation that threatens the security of the region. We urge the warring parties to exercise restraint and adhere strictly to the ceasefire

[gorecc]

Well, in general, I answered the comrade above, who arrogantly declared that the Turks did not even dare to poke their nose there ... although Turkey borders on both countries, and Azerbaijan is a brotherly country to Azerbaijan at all .. but Mr. Graz argues as if the Turks are climbing into disassembly Far East between Koreans)))
Russia is a party to the conflict, since in the 90s it openly supported Armenia, which last but not least led to the victory of the Armenians and the occupation of Azerbaijani lands, let's not forget about the military base in Gyumri .. and now yes, Russia calls for peace and restraint ..if Azerbaijan has since become much stronger militarily and politically and is now eager for revenge and the return of its lands, but Russia again puts sticks in its wheels and wants to maintain the status quo, which is beneficial for Armenia.

[Xenofont]

An indisputable fact is that the Turks shamelessly climb to where there is a Turkic population and the absence of a border is not an obstacle for them. Tatarstan, Altai, Central Asia, not to mention Libya.

[Stavros]

So you take a look at the Turkish maps, half of Russia as part of Turkey.

[WOLF330]

And on the Armenian floor of Russia as part of Armenia

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: KURT330

And on the Armenian floor of Russia as part of Armenia

And you show your

[WOLF330]

I will show, at the first opportunity

[brr1]

Quote: KURT330

I will show, at the first opportunity

when the Turkish hosts allow?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Stavros

take a look at turkish maps

Show

[g1v2]

In fact, it was the Russian Federation that stopped the Armenians from finally defeating Azerbaijan. And she insisted that ARMENIA ENTERS THE CSTO WITHOUT NKR. Now we have good relations with both sides, of course we don’t need a war in the Caucasus. As for Turkey, everything is so simple. The Caucasus is our zone of influence and we will prevent any attempts by the Turks to get into it - let them play in Libya and Iraq.
The status quo is not beneficial to both parties and they both want war. However, both sides do not have the strength to win. There will only be new bloodletting. If Azeri will call on the Turks, then they will quarrel with us, which will be obviously stupid. Moreover, the Turks do not border with the NKR. and the borders of Armenia itself are under our protection. In the end, we can after all recognize the NKR as part of Armenia, if that. Given that Azerbaijan and I still have normal mutual understanding and cooperation within the North-South corridor, it is doubtful that Azeri will want to quarrel with us.

[gorecc]

Well, yes, at first they supported the Armenians, and then nobly saved the Azeris from the final defeat ...
Syria and Libya is also, as it were, a zone of influence of Turkey, but Russia got there .. that means if Turkey can afford it, it will fit into the Caucasus, whether you like it or not.
Armenia certainly does not want a war, unlike Azerbaijan, which over the past decades has greatly pumped up muscles in military terms, and in economic terms they surpass Armenia by several times. To at least somehow balance the balance of power, Moscow is pushing equipment to the Armenians on credit, but the Azerbaijanis are buying up a bunch of modern equipment for cash.
To call a spade a spade, Russia "protects" Armenia, and only for this reason Azerbaijan has not yet embarked on a full-scale military operation to return its occupation lands ..

[g1v2]

The Turks may try to get into our zone of influence, but they will obviously meet the otvetka. Given that the Sultan got into all the turmoil in the region - Libya, Syria, Iraq, the Qatari conflict, the conflict over gas drilling on the shelf of Cyprus, he was once again cut off with the Greeks, and now also with all Greek churches because of St. Sophia Cathedral , it will be mega-stupid. Turkey has now formed enemies - a wagon and a small cart. Also quarrel with us, why? Moreover, we can reverse the majority of the conflicts in which the Turks are stuck, not in his favor. We have normal pragmatic relations with the Sultan, and I don’t think that he will be so stupid.
You seem to be from Azerbaijan. This is not the first time that I have met hat-inspiring moods from your fellow citizens in comments. Of course you bought a lot of weapons, but nothing that could create serious superiority over the Armenians. Again, they are in positions that have been strengthened for years - you will need to attack, which means you need serious superiority in forces and means. The territory of Armenia itself is under the protection of the CSTO, which means that the conflict will be localized by them to the NKR, where the Armenians do not have serious objects that they might be afraid to lose. But on your part, the whole territory is under attack. Armenians have Iskanders, albeit export ones, which means they can strike at targets throughout your country. The forces in armored vehicles and artillery are comparable. Why do you have such hatred moods with you - xs. Most likely there will be logging in several villages in which many people will die and there may be serious economic losses on your part - the Armenians have a choice of targets for the strike. And again, one should not forget that the Armenians behind the NKR have civilians, women and children. Azeri has not remained there for a long time. That is, the Armenians have something to rest on.
Well, as for poverty, this is not a minus for the Armenians. On the contrary, you can recruit a lot of cannon fodder in the army cheaply. And as history shows, the poor and the evil have routed the rich, but the relaxed. In general, see. I think so. that the GDP will again burn hotheads on both sides, and after a short conflict and steam release everything will freeze again.

[Lopatov]

Quote: g1v2

The territory of Armenia itself is protected by the CSTO, which means the conflict will be localized by the NKR,
Armenians have Iskanders, albeit export ones, which means they can strike at targets throughout your country

If "Iskander" is used, then all "CSTO protection" will simply disappear.
This will be an act of aggression of Armenia against Azerbaijan. Which has the right to self-defense.

[g1v2]

In Armenia, almost a large part of the army is considered the NKR army and is located there. There will be no strikes from the very territory of Armenia. If suddenly from the territory of the NKR the "NKR forces" are suddenly hit with Iskanders or dots, then officially Armenia itself will be out of business. Plus, over Armenia itself, our air defense umbrella. The air defense of Armenia is its integrated part.

[Lopatov]

Quote: g1v2

Armenia has almost the largest part of the army considered the NKR army

Russia did not provide Iskander to the NKR army

Quote: g1v2

Plus, over Armenia’s own air defense umbrella. Armenian air defense is its integrated part.

These are different things.
"Air Defense Umbrella" just above our airbase

[Yeraz]

Quote: g1v2

which means they can strike at targets throughout your country.

why is it all over? If you put Iskander directly on the front line, only the edge of the outskirts of Baku is reachable. Of course, Iskander will not directly put on the demarcation line, but deeper. Therefore, in any case, Iskander does not reach any object on the territory of Azerbaijan.

[g1v2]

270 km from Stepanokert to Baku. The range of Iskander is 500 km. Even a greatly reduced version is at least 300 km. From Stepanokert to any point in Azerbaijan gets with a serious margin. Armenian Armed Forces will not strike from their territory. Officially, the NKR army will clearly shoot Iskanders. Moreover, it will not be easy to suppress them for Azerbaijan. Over NKR, the sky covers a significant part of the air defense of Armenia.

[WOLF330]

They themselves believed in what they said?

[Poor]

not a big addition:
In August 1920, the Ottoman government agreed to sign the Sevres Peace Treaty. Thanks to US President Woodrow Wilson, Armenia got a historic chance to join the vast lands in eastern Anatolia with Trebizond, Erzurum and Lake Van. However, the Turkish liberation movement, raised by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, prevented this. Turks beat off invading Armenian troops and they themselves went on the offensive. At the same time, the RSFSR and the Azerbaijan SSR began a war with Dashnak Armenia. In December 1920, the independence of Armenia came to an end - the Armenian SSR was formed in its place. The winners - the Bolsheviks and Kemalists - faced the problem of establishing mutual borders.

[Yura]

Quote: Gorecc

and Turkey does not have the right to poke

Turkey here supports one against the other, thereby stimulating the development of the conflict.

Meanwhile, Turkey declared its support for Azerbaijan in the conflict with Armenia.

What Armenia is doing is unacceptable. Let her come to her senses. We will support Azerbaijan to maintain its territorial integrity. Azerbaijan is not alone

[gorecc]

so Russia also supports Armenia .. whose military base is in Gyumri? who on credit supplies the expanders-e and other buns to the Armenians?) it turns out Russia also stimulates the development of the conflict ..

[1976AG]

Quote: Gorecc

so Russia also supports Armenia .. whose military base is in Gyumri? who on credit supplies the expanders-e and other buns to the Armenians?) it turns out Russia also stimulates the development of the conflict ..

If Russia stimulated the conflict, Azerbaijan would not exist long ago.

[gorecc]

oh well, Ukraine is standing still, Georgia is also..a Azerbaijan would certainly evaporate, willingly believe))

[1976AG]

That’s why they stand because we stop them from killing each other. Have we attacked our peacekeepers in Georgia?

[1976AG]

Do you seriously think that a handful of ragged men have been fighting the Russian army for the sixth year?)

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Gorecc

What are imperial ambitions, or hypocrisy and double standards?

it means you got lost

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Gorecc

double standarts?

There is only one standard - inciting hatred between nations for the sake of their own backward ambitions - is not permissible.
Namely, inciting hatred and incitement to shed blood, Turkey was engaged in Syria and is engaged in Transcaucasia.

[Slavs]

Perhaps, just at the instigation of Turkey, the conflict is being inflated ... They are much to shit behind their backs ... They take offense at Libya, Syria ... Yes, and they recall old insults ...
Porridge is brewing very on time ... Just like with a natural phenomenon called coronavirus ... At the right time, in the right place.

[Stavros]

I agree with you, I wrote about it yesterday, to see Erdogan’s affairs in Syria and Libya are not important, so I decided to stir up a little chaos near the Russian border. Aliyev will make a big mistake if he takes this.

[Doctor]

Aliyev will make a big mistake if he takes this.

Can. He needs only confidence in the support of Turkey and at least the neutrality of Russia. The theme of Karabakh is voiced by him in any case, for example, the Valdai Club:

[gorecc]

the conflict will swell even without Turkey, because Azerbaijan wants to return its occupied lands. Or do you think if the Turks are silent, the Azerbaijanis will immediately forget about their blood feud with the Armenians and their occupied territories?)
Russia supports Armenia much more than Turkey Azerbaijan ..

[Shiden]

Sergey, tell me. You carefully read what the ambassador of Azerbaijan said. After all, this conflict is already 30 years old. And things are still there. Maybe it’s time for Russia not to declare peace statements by selling arms to both parties but to seek compromises. But it turns out the United States, Turkey, Israel, England, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, NATO, Ukraine are to blame and the list goes on and Russia only declares about the successes of the Foreign Ministry. held negotiations between Armenia and Azerbaijan through the mediation of Moscow. And the results are zero. And I understand Azerbaijan when they are driven as the Moses of the Jews who like this attitude.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Shiden

After all, how many negotiations took place between Armenia and Azerbaijan through the mediation of Moscow. And the results are zero.

Why is it "zero"?
Have you "missed" the fact that a full-scale war never happened? Or is it not an achievement for you?

[Shiden]

Well, right, if both sides are selling arms so that not one of the parties has an advantage, then there will be no war. But there will be no peace either. You don’t think that the Russian Foreign Ministry does all this just to report on the work done, and the result is no longer their concern.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Shiden

Well, right, if both sides are selling arms so that not one of the parties has an advantage, then there will be no war.

It will not.
And the absence of war is wonderful.

Quote: Shiden

But there will be no peace either.

And there will be no peace until Azerbaijan regains the occupied territories, or until Armenia destroys Azerbaijan.

Why did you decide that Russia is obliged to help one of the parties in this matter?

[Shiden]

But to find a peaceful compromise without war means not how. All negotiations were conducted with the participation of Russia, in your opinion, this is help or political interest. If you don’t inflate the ball to infinity, it will burst anyway.

[Slavs]

Vitaliy, do you play chess? There is the so-called Big Game in geopolitics. The interests of ordinary people in the conflict zone are dust on the board ... Unfortunately. So if the figures started to move, then this is someone's interest ... The region we are talking about is the underbelly of Russia ... And if it flares up, we will rake it ... This is not a conspiracy theology, but a fact.
My opinion and I do not pretend to the truth.

Quote: Shiden

Maybe it’s time for Russia not to declare peace declarations by selling weapons to both sides, but to seek compromises

The fact that civilians did not die there and did not have full-blown databases until today and there was a compromise, don’t you?

[Shiden]

Sorry, but the game can’t be played forever, when it ends. If you compare people with dust, you may know that some dust tends to explode from a small spark. Here again stamps are sent about the machinations of enemies. Well, if the Ministry of Foreign Affairs only gives and as a matter of fact there is no progress on this issue, then the world community will be raking.

[Slavs]

Quote: Shiden

the game cannot be played forever when it ends

It will end with the existence of humanity ...

Quote: Shiden

If you compare people with dust

I do not compare ... For those who engage in political intrigues, we are all dust ... Do not take it out of context.

Quote: Shiden

again went stamps about the machinations of enemies

Read the history of Russia ... Around us are some friends ...

Quote: Shiden

the world community will be raking

They have already raked the entire post-Soviet space after 91, and a series of "Arab springs" and colored revolutions ... your world community is raking in Libya, Syria ... Let it be better to deal with the Turks in Berlin and the blacks in Washington ...

[Garris199]

How is it 30 years old, and the war of 1918-1920? Legs grow, at least from there.

[Basil50]

the frontier
There, in the photo Bulbul -ogly, he is close to the power structures of his country and does not hide openly Nazi beliefs. For him, in addition to the Turks, the American-British-French are also allies. It is worth listening to statements not only about today's events.

[Russia]

Quote: Graz

Turks must be officially warned so that even their nose is not shown there

Rather, through non-official channels, some cornerstones, lines and dash-lines should be there. So that the Turks have the opportunity to retreat beautifully.

[Hunter 2]

Our CSTO Obligations ... All diplomacy in the Battle! Prevent - Hot southern guys to the slaughter.

[A good one]

Indeed, I welcome Alex

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Not bad

Indeed, I welcome Alex

And Mine - to you with a brush! from this conflict began the collapse of the USSR!
That's why it hurts ...

[Krasnodar]

Greetings! This is a very sensitive topic. I did not delve into the history of the conflict, but it seems to me that where the two will sort it out, the third and fourth are superfluous. This is an ethnic conflict over land, you need to let the parties agree on their own through compromises ... when they are acceptable to the parties. In short, you should not climb there.

[Hunter 2]

Albert, welcome Buddy! How do you not know ... that two "small" hooligans can be stopped only by the "Big" Uncle. Everything is so mixed up here ... CSTO - Armenia as part of the Union. Azerbaijan - GeoStoronnik (if you wouldn’t want to) plus, an excellent buyer of weapons (for money), so everyone needs to wag their fingers!

[Krasnodar]

As for the big uncle - he can do it only nishtyak and buns, hooking on which simply threatens to take these things - and it hurts. At the moment, the Russian Federation has a greater influence on Armenia, but spoiling relations with them is superfluous. Therefore, it is better not to meddle, having agreed with Turkey on its non-intervention.

[K-612-O]

The conflict began with the Baku massacre, when the Azerbaijanis slaughtered the Baku Armenians, and then it started.

[Oquzyurd]

"The conflict began with the Baku massacre" What a shameless comment that has nothing to do with the truth. The conflict since 1988, the events in Baku in 1990. During these 2 years, do you even know what happened to Azerbaijanis in Armenia and in Nagorno-Karabakh?

[K-612-O]

I confess that it’s not Baku but Sumgait, but Azerbaijanis began to pour blood, and atrociously

[WOLF330]

How not ashamed to lie! You should at least look at the chronology of the conflict since 1987. And the first shed blood by the way is Azerbaijani.

[Russia]

Quote: Krasnodar

This is an ethnic conflict over land, you need to let the parties agree on their own through compromises ... when they are acceptable to the parties. In short, you should not climb there.

Indeed, I welcome Albert Of course, it’s not worthwhile to climb but others climb, from here and all the buns.

[Krasnodar]

Greetings! It is necessary to negotiate with them, if necessary, strengthen the contingent of the Russian troops in Armenia, but do not climb by ourselves.

[A good one]

If the squirrel brush, then I will. Not enough brushes to make local landscapes
describe, place the stress yourself, according to the arrangement.

[novel66]

squirrels - for watercolors, for oil - bristles!

[Mavrikiy]

Baku does not rule out conflict developing with Armenia into full-fledged military operations

But this, for us, is more important than the Indo-Chinese showdown.

[apro]

Quote: Mavrikiy

But this, for us, is more important than the Indo-Chinese showdown

And what's important? Both states cannot be called either close in spirit .No allies. Their interests do not coincide with the Russians from the word completely. And the vectors of their development have gone to the side since 1991. What should I catch up with? It is their problem and solve it.

[TAMBU]

have you heard anything about the CSTO?

[apro]

Quote: TAMBU

have you heard anything about the CSTO?

And? ... Does this organization solve something? Has it solved any problems? At least repelled investments in the member states?

[TAMBU]

well ... in theory it should ... it's me that "like" allies ...

[apro]

Quote: TAMBU

well ... in theory it should ... it's me that "like" allies ...

With such allies, enemies are not needed ... the Ares did not ask when they started this mess. And uncles to decide?

[TAMBU]

on the one hand, I agree. on the other, the Turks shot down our plane and in response only tomatoes. collective agreement because.

[K-612-O]

Well, an emergency meeting gathered. But here another question Ilham looked at what had come to power in Armenia and realized that this burdock would be rubbed off if anything, plus Turkish handles cannot be ignored against the background of Libyan ultimatums. It is possible that they want to impose border conflict on us and against this background will put pressure on our positions in Libya and Syria.
Erdogan he is such a joker.

[apro]

Quote: K-612-O

It is possible that they want to impose border conflict on us

Does the border of rf pass between Armenia and Azerbaijan?

[K-612-O]

To begin with, we have a border with Azerbaijan, and in Armenia, our base and airfield. Both Armenia is a member of the CSTO and we and the participating countries are obligated to protect them. You do not include kindergarten

[apro]

Quote: K-612-O

You do not include kindergarten

And why did they take the country with territorial problems as allies? Which they could not solve for 30 years. And there are no solutions besides the military. Why create a problem out of the blue?

[K-612-O]

Otherwise, there would be no Armenians left on this territory, if you want the second genocide of an entire people who lived on this land long before the Azerbaijanis.

[apro]

Quote: K-612-O

Otherwise in this territory

I am personally interested in the problems of the territory of Russia. And the problems of the Russian people. First of all.
Armenians and Azerbaijanis declared their independence from the bloody USSR. And therefore must solve their problems independently. On mutually beneficial conditions.

[K-612-O]

You did not confuse them with the Balts? All of Transcaucasia fell off after the conspiracy of three Bukhariks.

[apro]

Quote: K-612-O

after the conspiracy of three bukhariks.

This is a matter of bygone days. And the situation today is not relevant. The reality today is different. That those that others. Wanted independence. They got it. So they are in the hands of cards. Solve your problems yourself.

[K-612-O]

Yeah, these things are still hitting us. Millions of people grind these things

[apro]

Quote: K-612-O

Yeah, these things are still hitting us. Millions of people grind these things

Russian.you wanted it ...

[WOLF330]

And in what book did they read that the Armenians lived there for a long time among Azerbaijanis? Why lie so impudently? Griboedov resettled them there 200 years ago, books should be read and not thumped with the Armenians!

[Zeev zeev]

I heard. During the April war of 2016, members of the CSTO (Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Belarus) supported Azerbaijan.

[apro]

Good luck in the battle ... to both sides ...

[Magic archer]

People! And where can you find the history of this conflict? Who is right there, who is to blame? I was interested in both the acquaintances of Armenians and the Azerbaijanis. The result. Guilty and consider each other, without any facts. The conflict, as I understand it, is old. But I read that there are dry facts, the end of the 80s

[Roman123567]

But there is no middle ground .. Each side has its own 100% truth ..
About the same as with Ukraine ..))

[parusnik]

The conflict, as I understand it, is old

.... Very old ... really. Over the centuries, they have driven each other out of these lands and are far from peaceful, some will come to cut out those who live there, those who lived there return, cut out those who settled there ... And so to the present ..

[K-612-O]

But historically, Karabakh is the territory of the Armenian kingdom with one of the most ancient Christian temples.
And why can’t you write?

[K-612-O]

You can here https://nauka.club/istoriya/karabakhskiy-konflikt.html.
And there are a lot of materials.

[Oquzyurd]

I recommend that you study the "Gulistan Treaty of 1813", then "Türkmenchay Treaty of 1828". I ask you to pay attention to the names of the parties to the agreements (if you find an Armenian name, you will be given a Nobel Prize) Then read Griboyedov how he settled Armenians in Karabakh. Everything is written in black The conflict begins from those times. Of course, the Armenians will remember Noah, Pompey, and Achilles to cover up their dirty deeds on the seizure of foreign lands. But in reality, the documents of which can be studied and drawn conclusions are 1813,1828, XNUMX, and Griboyedov. There are many things. yet, but they are enough to understand the essence of the conflict.
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................
About the favorite topic of Armenians, as if the Bolsheviks presented "Armenian Karabakh" to Azerbaijan.
Unfortunately, the world continues to talk about the "transition" of this primordial Azerbaijani province from Armenia to Azerbaijan with the light hand of Stalin. It is surprising that independent media sources and even politicians from third countries speak about this, who are too lazy to even get acquainted with the very text of the minutes of the meeting of the Caucasian Bureau of the Central Committee of the RCP (b) of July 5, 1921.

Meanwhile, this document is stored in the archive, was published several times, and after the Armenian, if I may say so, "historians" questioned even the reliability of the quotation, even the document's snapshot had to be published.

The plenum was attended by: member of the Central Committee I.V. Stalin as chairman of the plenum without the right to vote, seven members of the Caucasian Bureau with the right to vote Georgians G.K.Ordzhonikidze, F.I. Makharadze, I.D. Orahelashvili, Bulgarian S.M. Kirov, Armenians A.M. Nazaretyan, A.F. Myasnikov (Myasnikyan) and Azerbaijani N.N. Narimanov. The plenum was also attended by non-voting Azerbaijan’s People’s Commissar Huseynov and Secretary of the Caucasus Bureau of Figatner. Two Armenians and one Azerbaijanian with the right to vote.
Let us recall that this is happening in the middle of 1921, when the power in the country is completely in the hands of the capable and strong V.I. Lenin, and very few people know about an ordinary member of the Central Committee of the RCP (b) I.V. Stalin. Only a year later, due to the leader's illness, Stalin would be formally appointed as general secretary, whose functions at that time were very limited and decisions were always made strictly collegially. In this context, the pitiful attempt of the Armenians to attribute the "unjust" decision on Karabakh to the personality of Stalin, little known at that time, and to link the "torment" of the Armenians of Karabakh with the name of the tyrant against the background of the condemnation of the dictator that unfolded in perestroika times looks at least ridiculous from a historical point of view. Armenians will be very curious to know that People's Commissar for National Minorities Stalin and People's Commissar Chicherin have always advocated the transfer of Karabakh to Armenia.

It is interesting that the question of revising the decision on the transfer of Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia, adopted on the eve of July 4, was raised by I.D.Ordzhonikidze and (attention!) Armenian A.M. Nazaretyan. By the way, this was not the first case of the recognition of the Armenians themselves about the futility of re-subordination of Karabakh to Armenia. Two years before the plenum of the Caucasian Bureau, Anastas Mikoyan on May 22, 1919, in a letter to V.I. Lenin noted: "The Dashnaks, agents of the Armenian government, are seeking the annexation of Karabakh to Armenia. But for the population of Karabakh, this would mean losing the source of their life in Baku and contacting Erivan, with which they have never been associated with anything. (highlighted by me - VS) ". (The Central Party Archive of the Institute of Marxism-Leninism under the Central Committee of the CPSU - CPA IML, f. 461, op.1, ed. 4525, l.1.)

The plenum decided the following: “Based on the need for peace between Muslims and Armenians and the economic ties of upper and lower Karabakh, its permanent ties with Azerbaijan, Nagorno-Karabakh should (LEAVE) remain within the ASSR, giving it broad regional autonomy with administrative center in the city of Shusha, which is part of the autonomous region. "

He who has eyes - let him read! The archival document clearly says to leave (LEAVE) Karabakh within Azerbaijan, and not transfer it. (NOT TRANSFER) You can only leave what was there before. Even this simple document testifies that Karabakh has always been a part of Azerbaijan! Skillfully manipulating words, replacing the word "leave" with "transfer", the Armenians naively believe that they will be able to mislead the whole world for a long time and convince that before the plenum of the Caucasus Bureau in 1921, Karabakh was part of Armenia.

On July 4, 1921, Narimanov, Makharadze and Nazaretyan voted for leaving Karabakh within Azerbaijan. Against - Ordzhonikidze, Myasnikov, Kirov and Figatner. Stalin did not vote! However, given the urgency of the issue, the discussion was not completed that day, and the adoption of the final decision was postponed to the next day. As noted above, the plenum on the initiative of Ordzhonikidze and Nazaretyan returned to the consideration of this issue. By the majority of votes, Karabakh was left (LEFT) within Azerbaijan. The protocol notes that four voted “for”, three abstained. And not a single vote against. (CPA IML, file 64, file 2, item storage 1, sheet 122-122 ob.)

That's the whole story with Stalin's "taking" of Karabakh from the Armenians and its "transfer" to the Azerbaijanis.

[K-612-O]

The whole history of the redivision of these lands did not begin in the 19th century! Then the Persians once again took these territories from the Ottomans (ancestors of Azerbaijanis). You better tell the history of Azerbaijan since when did this people identify? But Armenian writing is at least 2 thousand. years, clay and copper tablets found. What are the original Azerbaijani lands then? Plutarch and Ptolemy identified these lands as the Armenian kingdom, and this was long before even the Mongol Tatars. So it is precisely the Turkic peoples there who are just aliens.

[Stavros]

I see you want to finally bring the Azerbaijani marshals to hysteria.)

[K-612-O]

Well this is what no proven historical data

[Victorio]

Quote: K-612-O

The whole history of the redivision of these lands did not begin in the 19th century! Then the Persians once again took these territories from the Ottomans (ancestors of Azerbaijanis). You better tell the history of Azerbaijan since when did this people identify? But Armenian writing is at least 2 thousand. years, clay and copper tablets found. What are the original Azerbaijani lands then? Plutarch and Ptolemy identified these lands as the Armenian kingdom, and this was long before even the Mongol Tatars. So it is precisely the Turkic peoples there who are just aliens.

===
you can add whole Armenian dynasties ruling Byzantium

[andrew42]

The antiquity of an ethnos is not an argument. This is so to speak, rising above the forest. Any ethnos represents what it is today, including with its current internal content. Relying on "antiquity" in a dispute is trivial passion, if not stupidity.

[Victorio]

Quote: andrew42

The antiquity of an ethnic group is not an argument. This is so to speak, rising above the forest. Any ethnos represents what it is today, including with its current internal content. Relying on "antiquity" in a dispute is a banal passion, if not stupidity.

===
??? this is a historical fact, for someone and for some reason

Quote: K-612-O

What are the original Azerbaijani lands then? Plutarch and Ptolemy identified these lands as the Armenian kingdom, and this was long before even the Mongol Tatars. So it is precisely the Turkic peoples there who are just aliens.

[andrew42]

Well then, get into a time machine, blow into antiquity, and shake this "historical fact" there. You can love your culture, be proud of your ancestors - it's good, but blaming your opponents / rivals for "ancestors' merits" is silly and ridiculous. As for any territory, for millennia someone has always lived there, and everyone is different. According to your logic of "ancient claims", the Russians should rush to recapture Pomerania from the FRG. What? - There is the legal patrimony of Rurik - Wismar, Rostock, the Pena River, the island of Rügen. Using "ancient facts" you can always find a reason for a modern war.

[Victorio]

Quote: andrew42

Well then, get into the time machine, blow into antiquity, and shake there with this "historical fact"

===
? I somehow did not ask your advice what should I do

Quote: andrew42

but blame your opponents / rivals for the "merits of ancestors"

===
and who was there blaming? I- no, and the comrade in front of me pointed to a historical fact, no more. I agreed.

Quote: andrew42

According to your logic of "ancient claims", the Russians should rush to recapture Pomerania from the FRG. What? - There is the legal fiefdom of Rurik .....,

===
again by, this is your logic, since you expose it. I don’t have anything like that at all.

[Doctor]

I recommend to study

I studied. In this part, everything is true and seems to be true. However, as Andrey K-612-O correctly says (post below):

The whole history of the redivision of these lands did not begin in the 19th century! ...
Plutarch and Ptolemy something that these lands were identified as the Armenian kingdom, and this was long before even the Mongol Tatars.

It would be interesting to hear the opposite side.

[fa2998]

I was there in 88 on a military "business trip." The borders of the union republics (as before the provinces) were drawn in Moscow. Moreover, they were drawn, taking into account that these territories would exist in a ONE state. As soon as Moscow's "grip" weakened, local nationalists decided quietly aside. And the former, purely administrative borders became state borders. And insults began, and wars.
Vyborg "left" with the Finns, along with Ukraine-Donbass and Crimea. There are many disputed territories in Transcaucasia, as well as in Central Asia. And the Ural (Yaik), Pavlograd, Petropavlovsk, Uralsk and many others remained in Kazakhstan ...

[Rakovor]

Where did Vyborg go? Maybe I missed something in this life?))

[fa2998]

Vyborg left in 1918. He was conquered in 1939. In the past, our sovereign "added" Vyborg and the surrounding area to the Finnish principality (as part of Russia).

[Tank hard]

Quote: Magic Archer

People! And where can you find the history of this conflict? Who is right there, who is to blame? I was interested in both the acquaintances of Armenians and the Azerbaijanis. The result. Guilty and consider each other, without any facts. The conflict, as I understand it, is old. But I read that there are dry facts, the end of the 80s

Quote: Magic Archer

People! And where can you find the history of this conflict? Who is right there, who is to blame? I was interested in both the acquaintances of Armenians and the Azerbaijanis. The result. Guilty and consider each other, without any facts. The conflict, as I understand it, is old. But I read that there are dry facts, the end of the 80s

Many believe that Karabakh is Azerbaijani territory. It seems like the main cause of the conflict. The rest is yourself.

[Alex Justice]

The Papuans have been fighting each other for hundreds of years. I asked one why you do not like neighbors. Answer: they are stupid. The same question to the neighbor. Answer: they are stupid. Now they are fighting over money. America pays them for mining and everyone wants money.
On the road there is a hole and a twig in it. This means the road is controversial. Whose road, he receives money for it. Probably still fighting because of her.

[shubin]

Is this the same Polad Bulbul-oglu?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: shubin

Is this the same Polad Bulbul-oglu?

Yeah. “Do not be afraid, I'm with you”, EMNIP

[lis-ik]

Quote: shubin

Is this the same Polad Bulbul-oglu?

That is the very one.

[Poetry]

The same one. Only the songs are different.

[Thrifty]

As a singer and artist, Palad Bulbul Oglu (son, in Azerbaijani) I appreciate and respect! But, as a politician .... He, in his own words, wants to resolve the issue by force! One question for Azerbaijanis is how much do you need to bury your sons, brothers, husbands, fathers in this war, what digital sacrifices are you willing to make in order to understand the meaninglessness of a forceful solution to this problem? Now you have patriotism on the rise, but you already received 4 years ago hundreds of coffins with your countrymen! And, it still has not sobered you?

[WOLF330]

So you get these coffins in heaps day and night, well then this? Or maybe I'm wrong?

[yuliatreb]

Well, it is clear that the children of politicians are no strangers to dying, they are always the first to rush into battle, only for this reason there will be no peaceful solution to the territorial issue. Well, the United States will try to throw fuel on the fire, it is like a mother to them, they need instability in the Central Asian region like air.

[Livonetc]

Road to nowhere.
Karabakh cannot be returned to them.
But a lot of blood will be shed on both sides.
And in vain.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Livonetc

Road to nowhere.
Karabakh cannot be returned to them.
But a lot of blood will be shed on both sides.
And in vain.

It probably sounds stupidly, but they divided it or something, or they would have given Azerbaijan a little more.

[Livonetc]

Purely personal - I like Azerbaijan as a state, and people like it more.
However, on the one and on the other hand, a lot of cruelty and atrocities were shown in the conflict.
Now people of mainly Armenian nationality live on this territory.
There are no options for an agreement.
As a hypothesis - the formation of a certain state formation with a neutral status with the return of internally displaced persons and the payment of compensation to victims.
And this way will take decades
However, for this you need to start moving towards, and so far there are no signs of readiness for reconciliation.

[Zeev zeev]

Two thirds of the territory of the Armenian Nagorno-Karabakh Republic were never part of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region of the Azerbaijan SSR. That is, they are simply occupied by the Armenians in Azerbaijan.

[ANB]

. That is, they are simply occupied by the Armenians in Azerbaijan.

Yes, all about this. The Armenians grabbed the excess in order to return and keep Karabakh to themselves during the negotiations. But Azerbaijanis needed everything. Also in its own right. Such porridge is brewed there.
When the earthquake happened, the people of Armenians, of course, felt sorry, but slowly said that this was their punishment for the war. After all, they started it all when the collapse of the Union was still not visible at all. Gorbachev had no desire to stop this all.
I hope Putin has enough of it.
And so this swara has been going on for a couple of hundred years.

[A good one]

It can be seen that the steam is being let down in such a way, Azerbaijan, as it were, with Turkey, Armenia does not forget to cling to Europe, then Russia, that is, it is that ball in the police whistle. In the part who blows it.

[Gloomy skeptic]

Quote: apro

And what's important? Both states cannot be called either close in spirit .No allies. Their interests do not coincide with the Russians from the word completely. And the vectors of their development have gone to the side since 1991. What should I catch up with? It is their problem and solve it.

I agree with you almost completely! I will just add that Russia should simply NOT GET INTO this showdown AT ALL not to get involved. Otherwise, talks and negotiations will start again and this sluggish war will last for years, but do we need it by our side? How many conversations were held in Minsk about another conflict, but things are still there! And if these mountain iris actively start waving their fists and losses appear, then maybe they themselves will come to their senses, because these are not the "batyrs" to at least somehow defeat someone, someday and somehow!

[Roman123567]

The ambassador of Azerbaijan spoke in Russian quite clearly and clearly ..
Turkish Foreign Ministry also does not hide its intentions ..
And only the Russian Foreign Ministry expresses serious concern..

[Livonetc]

Russia has a military base in Armenia.
Azerbaijan and Armenia are allies of Russia.
We are not Turks Roman.
Russia brings peace to people, not threatens with weapons

[Roman123567]

Russia brings peace to people, not threatens with weapons

Oh, well, that's what such speeches are for ..))
You can recall cartoons from Putin, with a very clear bias .. you can recall the conflict in the Donbass, arranged exclusively for the conflict .. You can, of course, still argue about all this for a long time .. But to say 100% that we are all so white and fluffy ..

Shl .. Russia is not some kind of spherical horse in a vacuum .. these are the same people, at the helm of the country .. born on the same planet as those that are "not Russia" ..
Even the ideological USSR was not a saint in many ways, what can we say about the current crooks whose goals are far from good ..

[WOLF330]

Well, keep your base there. Who is against it? Azerbaijan requires its lands, specifically Karabakh and the adjacent occupied areas. What kind of justice is it when bias is there? Azerbaijanis will return these lands sooner or later.

[K-612-O]

And what should we answer in your opinion? The Armenians, if anything and so on, may shy away from Iskander in Baku, the question is that in Yerevan, a bearded amoeba sits and cannot squeeze out anything, but a democratic

[Roman123567]

And we had to answer In your?

"in my opinion" - it's good that I don't need to resolve these issues .. because I don't get paid for it ..
I just noticed that the two sides spoke quite specifically .. directly threateningly .. and ours cost, already frayed, concern ..

[Zeev zeev]

Do you understand that this game can be played together? And Azerbaijan also has missiles that can shoot not only in Stepanakert, but also in Yerevan. How many are there from the same Tavuz to Yerevan? Two or three hundred kilometers? The Belarusian "Polonaise will get it. And the Israeli EXTRA and LORA missiles too. So if the Armenians so want to threaten the Azerbaijani cities, they should be prepared for the fact that a response to the Armenian will not keep you waiting."

[WOLF330]

Well Duc from Nakhichevan generally 80 km directly.

[Zeev zeev]

Well, in Nakhichevan still need to deliver missiles.

[Oquzyurd]

Everything is there, and not a few.

[WOLF330]

In Nakhichevan, not a corps is standing, but a separate Combined Arms Army.

[primala]

Quote: K-612-O

And what should we answer in your opinion? The Armenians, if anything and so on, may shy away from Iskander in Baku, the question is that in Yerevan, a bearded amoeba sits and cannot squeeze out anything, but a democratic

briefly and in the case outlined)))

[Tank jacket]

After exhaustion in hostilities, Azerbaijan and Armenia risk losing their territories in favor of Turkey. Turks as peacemakers will come later and stay forever ...

[Moskovit]

Turkey climbed into Syria, Iraq, Libya. No matter how you tear yourself to the Sultan.
In place of Armenia and Azerbaijan, I would divide Karabakh into two parts, so that everyone gets theirs and calm down.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Moskovit

Turkey climbed into Syria, Iraq, Libya. No matter how you tear yourself to the Sultan.

Necessarily torn, however. we'll see.

[Mountain shooter]

I see Azerbaijan is militant! They can spin the wheel of war to really great bloodshed.
The Armenians, too, do not intend to concede ... And then the Turks "fit in" too ... They certainly will not bring peace!

[Alexey-74]

Our base in Armenia. It is necessary to introduce a large peacekeeping contingent, to pull apart both sides and make it clear to the Turks - there is nothing to do there.

[Nikolai Petrov]

I am certainly not an adviser and not a Vanga, but the persimmon traders have nothing to catch. They will not get support from the Persians, the Persians remember how Azerbaijan offered kosher Soviet airfields to strike Iran. And about the cries of the persimmons about "South Azerbaijan". However, Mammads will become Iranian citizens faster.

[Zeev zeev]

Azerbaijan does not need Iran’s help or Russia’s help, because these two countries are old friends of Armenia. But Baku hopes (and not without reason) that they will be supported by other countries of the Caspian region.

[Nikolai Petrov]

[i] [/ i], Dear, answer the question: When did Azerbaijan appear on the Earth’s body? Not a mistake, with a small letter.

[WOLF330]

Color dreams are a sign of schizophrenia!

[the finish]

Here you have the whole point of provocation with UAZ ...

[Stavros]

Already have a video with UAZ, drove past the post of Armenian, most likely turned the wrong way.

[Nikolai Petrov]

Stalin is not far from you. A week after the NKVD, they would hug and kiss that the Armenians were with the Azerbaijanis, that the Azerbaijanis were with the Armenians. Next to you from Lavrov. What do you share ?! All donated by Russian Ivan.

[Hydrography Bay Golden Horn]

Armenia will lose

[K-612-O]

Why didn’t you lose 25 years ago? Then Baku broke off teeth about Karabakh.

[Vadim237]

Armenia does not make any comparisons with Azerbaijan in military expenditures - and 25 years ago, everyone had the same old Soviet weapons and in fact there were no armies that were so armed on their knees.

[Doctor]

Armenia will lose

Already lost.
Out of 10 -12 (minimum) millions of Armenians in the world, 2 remain in Armenia. And the outflow continues.

[Freedim]

It is necessary to give Karabakh to Russia .. Then it will not hurt anyone.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: FreeDIM

It is necessary to give Karabakh to Russia ..

It has been proposed more than once.

Quote: FreeDIM

Then it will not hurt anyone.

And if it does, then somehow sideways.

[Alex Justice]

Then they will mock to return, as the Japanese

[Vadim237]

Russia doesn’t need Karabakh.

[uranium]

Quote: Magic Archer

People! And where can you find the history of this conflict? Who is right there, who is to blame? I was interested in both the acquaintances of Armenians and the Azerbaijanis. The result. Guilty and consider each other, without any facts. The conflict, as I understand it, is old. But I read that there are dry facts, the end of the 80s

First you need to read Griboedov who resettled Armenians from Persia in Zangezur and Karabakh. Of course, I have the disadvantages from the Armenian side, but a normal adequate user will read independent sources and draw conclusions, but the bitter truth is that it’s not like everyone speaks on TV.

[K-612-O]

The bitter truth is that until the 4th century AD there was an Armenian kingdom, then the Persians and Byzantines divided it and only in the 12-13th century did the Tatar-Mongols appear there, and only then the Ottomans, the ancestors of Azerbaijanis.
And when Artsakh became Russian, they really began to return the Armenians there.

[uranium]

The bitter truth is that
Indians have the same extension to India as Khai to the territory of Armenia, the geographical name has nothing to do with hai.
After all, the Armenians identify themselves and call themselves exclusively hai. Is there somewhere mention of the state of Hayastan, or maybe I missed something?

[K-612-O]

The camp belongs to Turkism and the Armenian state could not be with the end of the camp, for starters.
Does the name of King Tigran 2 say nothing?
Tsar of Great Armenia from 140 BC e. to 55 g. e.

[Zeev zeev]

From 140 to 55 AFTER? Did Tigran the Second live long? It's been 115 years since ...

[K-612-O]

Sorry, I'm writing from the phone. Until missed. But the fact remains. The Armenian kingdom was even before the newcomers of the Turkic peoples.

[Zeev zeev]

No questions. The Armenian kingdom was, of course, even the Great Armenian kingdom. And Great Israel from the Nile to Euphrates was. At the time of King Shlomo (Solomon), about three thousand years ago. And that is characteristic, it was long before the newcomers Arabs who captured the Promised Land only in the 7th century. But ... For the sake of peace with neighbors, Israel gave up the Sinai Peninsula, taken in battle in 1967. With Sharm El Sheikh, oil rigs and direct access to the Red Sea. And with all the drawbacks of this decision (and there’s more dofig), with all that the Jews received in the Sinai Torah, the government in Jerusalem and the Knesset (parliament) took this step.

[ANB]

. The Knesset (Parliament) took this step.

And it's a pity we went.

[Zeev zeev]

It's a pity. But let's go, guided by the interests of the country.

[WOLF330]

So all Armenian surnames are made up of Turkisms

[uranium]

Well, if you refer to Movses Khorensky, then I'm sorry)))

[sanya]

I think Russia's interest in doing nothing at the first stage ...
And then both sides will make different requests.
That the Armenians that the Azerbaijanis of Russia and Russia do not like so let them fight
then crawl on their knees

[Polite Moose]

Quote: sanya

I think Russia's interest in doing nothing at the first stage ...

When the "stage" begins, it will be too late to do something. Both Armenia and Azerbaijan are states friendly to Russia. If the conflict escalates into a war, Russia will have to choose sides while gaining hostility from the other. Do we need it? I believe that it is necessary to prevent the development of the conflict at any cost. By all means to force Armenians and Azerbaijanis to come to an agreement and resolve this territorial dispute.

Quote: sanya

That the Armenians that the Azerbaijanis of Russia and Russia do not like so let them fight

Guess three times where refugees will rush if they really break out.

[Doctor]

Guess three times where refugees will rush if they really break out.

Judging by the map, the Azerbaijanis are in Georgia, Iran and Dagestan, and the Armenians are in Georgia, Iran and Turkey!

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Arzt

Judging by the map

If only on the map, then yes.

[ANB]

In Russia, they will break everything. We already have more of them than in our homeland.

[sanya]

What are friendly ??? What are you talking about?

Do not accept refugees
And some who can be sent to their homeland

[Klingon]

Erdogan is better off in the good Caucasus. for your own health is better.

[Shuttle]

Here is a strange thing. In the 87th, motorized rifles from a neighboring regiment rode to this Karabakh-bah-bah to calm down. More than 30 years have passed and how would a new conflict? Not. This is an old, purulent, smelly redistribution of property. To expel the bourgeois from both sides, and the proletarians will somehow agree among themselves.

[Zaurbek]

Earth must be returned. It’s bad to be an occupier.

[fa2998]

Quote: shubin

Is this the same Polad Bulbul-oglu?

And who else to send as ambassador to Moscow that would be "heard"?

[Charik]

Russian Foreign Ministry expresses serious concern - the plate is stuck

[Herman 4223]

The situation will bomb, and Armenia is our ally. Let’s give it a crush, we will again defend a severe war in the Caucasus, maybe we will face Turkey.
I’m holding my fists for our diplomats so that they will resolve the situation and prevent an explosion.

[iouris]

Both Armenia and Azerbaijan are our country, and Polad Bulbul-oglu is our singer. As a child, I myself sang in the choir an Azerbaijani song about chickens. I remember that it contained the following words: "Jib-jib-jaryarim ..." An Armenian girl was the soloist.

[Herman 4223]

The country is ours, but the government is not there.

[Lekxnumx]

Svezhak from the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, the guys from the front sent a couple of videos. Now I’ll trim and can add. The main thing is not to burn the guys

[Neohumanoyd]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Civil

Laughter damn it, for the sake of grazing flocks of sheep to kill people. Middle Ages.

You need to extinguish the fire by any means, to prevent the war from starting.

I would not want to extinguish such fires with the corpses of our soldiers, as in 1987-92 .... But we later turned out to be extreme ..... I am against .... Read carefully, watch a video about those conflicts .... Unpleasant fragment of history ....

[Vadim237]

Russia will not intervene - only the Foreign Ministry.

[Andrey Vasilievich]

Quote: Atlant-1164

I read it somewhere ..
“Serpent believe more than Jew, trust more than Greek, but never trust an apian.”
George Orwell

My neighbors are Azerbaijanis. I will not say bad things about them.

[ANB]

Armenians fry the most delicious kebab in the Caucasus. Azerbaijan has the most delicious tomatoes. And together it’s a fairy tale in general. When will these horned ones stop butting and agree?

[Fon elia]

History has shown that this conflict will not be resolved in favor of any of the parties. Only the arrival of peacekeepers in the region can stop the war. And only as part of a single state. For 200 years, these territories were joined to Russia. Her and resolve the problem.

[Seminole]

There will be no full-fledged military operations. It’s just that the Azerbaijani side so far can’t put up with swallowing what, due to its oversight, has presented us with several important tactical combat posts. Apparently the guys liked to leave these posts regularly and go down for a walk, shoot at the boars ... We thought ... well, since there are dividing minefields, who can cross them will come closer to our posts. However, what happened happened. And when this time the guys were returning from a glorious hunt in their UAZ ... the Armenians blocked their path with warning fire from their own posts. They threw their UAZ and ran back to their own. And after half an hour, these posts and neighboring Armenian villages began to violently bomb these posts in attempts to recapture them back. That's essentially the whole story.

[Andrey Vasilievich]

Quote: K-612-O

Otherwise, there would be no Armenians left on this territory, if you want the second genocide of an entire people who lived on this land long before the Azerbaijanis.

Do not lie. There are maps of tsarist times, people living in Transcaucasia are not marked, and there are fewer Armenians than Azeris on that territory. You will be able to google, I hope.

[Andrey Vasilievich]

Quote: K-612-O

The camp belongs to Turkism and the Armenian state could not be with the end of the camp, for starters.
Does the name of King Tigran 2 say nothing?
Tsar of Great Armenia from 140 BC e. to 55 g. e.

Stop telling these tales about the "BC" kingdoms. Paper, of course, will endure everything, but you also need to think with your own head.

[tolmachiev51]

- "The Russian Foreign Ministry expresses serious concern about the sharp aggravation of the situation on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border on July 12" - when will you stop "making up" worried "faces" and start resolving the issue !!! ???.

[iouris]

Quote: tolmachiev51

when you have already stopped "making up" worried "faces" and start solving the issue !!! ???

This is not a "question" but a problem. A problem is a problem that under the given conditions has no solution. This conflict will end when both sides are so weakened that neither side can wage a war, either one side will be defeated, or both sides will lose their statehood and enter the same empire. There are two such empires.

[Sarcasm]

Quote: primaala

Quote: APASUS

Quote: Civil

Well, what's the point in this slaughter?

The point is that Russia will have to make a choice and we will have another neighbor with resentment. Do you not consider the issue in this plane? And who needs the Americans to help with weapons and other things, just to get another ally against the Russians

Armenia should become part of the Russian Federation.

Good man, you are from what region, city? I am from Kuban, I suggest that you resettle all our Armenians in your city and region, you can take Galitsky and his stadium to yourself, and on top of that we will give and add, but you will be recorded as a saint / saint in all the holy places in the Kuban ...

[vindigo]

I am joining. I am also from the Kuban. If she likes the Armenians so much, let them take them to herself.