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Germany invited Europe to impose sanctions against Russia

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Germany invited Europe to impose sanctions against Russia

Germany intends to impose sanctions against Russia, the government of Germany is currently considering such a possibility. As DPA reported, Germany turned to other European countries with this proposal, but a decision has not yet been made.


It is reported that the German government has proposed other European countries to jointly impose sanctions against Russia. The reason is allegedly carried out by Russia in 2015, a cyber attack on the German Bundestag. The government of Germany believes that the "Russian military intelligence service of the GRU" was involved in the cyber attack.

On May 5, the Federal Prosecutor's Office of Germany issued an arrest warrant for Russian citizen Dmitry Badin, who, as a member of the hacker group ART28, allegedly led a cyber attack on the German Bundestag in April-May 2015.

- writes Deutsche Welle.

It is noted that if other European countries accept the proposal of Germany and impose sanctions against Russia, this will be the first stories a case of limiting cyber attacks. Until today, such sanctions have not been imposed, although the law itself was adopted in 2017.

The possibility of imposing sanctions for a cyber attack, during which the correspondence of the German Chancellor Angela Merkel was downloaded, and which Russia is accused of, was reported at the end of May this year. On May 28, 2020, the Russian ambassador in Berlin, Sergei Nechaev, was called up to the German Foreign Ministry, where he was warned of the possible imposition of restrictions on cyber attacks.

Meanwhile, Moscow categorically rejects suspicions of involvement in this and other cyber attacks, since neither in this nor in other cases was evidence of Russia's involvement presented.
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  1. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 12 July 2020 14: 12
    29

    I wonder what this time they’ll come up with.
    1. Smolin
      Smolin 12 July 2020 14: 28
      -45 qualifying.
      This sanction is not against RUSSIA as a whole!
      These sanctions (if they are still imposed) will be directed against several people in the GRU,
      (responsible for cyber attack). They will be denied entry to the countries of the European Union.
      1. Rusland
        Rusland 12 July 2020 14: 59
        25
        Quote: Smolin
        This sanction is not against RUSSIA as a whole!
        These sanctions (if they are still imposed) will be directed against several people in the GRU,
        (responsible for cyber attack). They will be denied entry to the countries of the European Union.

        And what, "these few people" are not Russia? Are you yourself Russia or a European neighborhood?
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 12 July 2020 15: 12
          14
          It is noted that if other European countries accept the proposal of Germany and impose sanctions against Russia
          Well, there will be no problems with support, for many, the national tradition has begun to spit in Russia ... and for some, the general meaning and possibility of existence ...
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 12 July 2020 15: 59
            +3
            It is reported that the German government has proposed other European countries to jointly impose sanctions against Russia. The reason is allegedly carried out by Russia in 2015, a cyber attack on the German Bundestag. The government of Germany believes that the "Russian military intelligence service of the GRU" was involved in the cyber attack.

            Something is wrong with the foreign policy of Berlin. Namely.

            One side. Berlin is likened to London at the time of British premiere in the United Kingdom by Theresa May.
            It was May then who shouted to the whole world about the need to impose joint sanctions of the countries of Europe and the USA against Russia in the British-fabricated case of allegedly poisoning the Russian GRUSHINS by Skripal. Skripals, whom no one saw after the poisoning and who now live safely in New Zealand under alien names and surnames on lifting means from London itself.

            And on the other hand. Not understood absolutely not friendly and the PROVOCATION act on the part of Germany in relation to the Russian Federation - pWe mean the clearly INTENTIONAL act of Berlin on the eve of the completion of Russia's construction of the SP-2 gas pipeline!
        2. Smolin
          Smolin 12 July 2020 15: 14
          0
          I'm sorry for these too several people in the GRU like you. It's a pity to tears! Now they won’t be able to walk along the Champs Elysees! Oh Horror !! They won’t be able to buy real estate and withdraw their honestly earned money to EU countries !!!
          (Hit the living below the belt !!)
          Already a tear is falling into my eyes, so their poor are sorry ... We can not even imagine how now they can live without all this !!! ... But still, dear forum users please calm down ..This is only a proposal for sanctions and most likely nothing will happen.)
          1. Konstantin Shevchenko
            Konstantin Shevchenko 12 July 2020 15: 31
            -9
            And most importantly, they will not pick strawberries in Poland and trade the anus near the Champs Elysees. Do you consider yourself an expensive or cheap formuchnik?
          2. Rusland
            Rusland 12 July 2020 15: 42
            +3
            Quote: Smolin
            I'm sorry for these too several people in the GRU like you. It's a pity to tears! Now they won’t be able to walk along the Champs Elysees! Oh Horror !! They won’t be able to buy real estate and withdraw their honestly earned money to EU countries !!!
            (Hit the living below the belt !!)
            Already a tear is falling into my eyes, so their poor are sorry ... We can not even imagine how now they can live without all this !!! ... But still, dear forum users please calm down ..This is only a proposal for sanctions and most likely nothing will happen.)

            A lot of text, and the essence is immediately visible. yes Cry on, only hands need to be washed more often when you brush away a mean tear and other things under your nose. wink
            1. fleks
              fleks 12 July 2020 15: 47
              -17 qualifying.
              Your essence is also visible, voted for the amendment.
              1. Rusland
                Rusland 12 July 2020 15: 56
                +4
                Quote: fleks
                Your essence is also visible, voted for the amendment.

                Was he peeking with the naked eye? wink
            2. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 12 July 2020 16: 45
              -2
              Quote: Rusland
              when you whisk a mean tear and other things under your nose.

              A coronovirus tvk and transmitted laughing
              1. Rusland
                Rusland 12 July 2020 16: 51
                -1
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Quote: Rusland
                when you whisk a mean tear and other things under your nose.

                A coronovirus tvk and transmitted laughing

                Greetings, Friend hi He is the same as we are, with two arms and legs, and on top is a reproducer, to eat, broadcast, and, well, pick up the Crown, good health to him. Well, with you drinks
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 12 July 2020 16: 54
                  -2
                  Quote: Rusland
                  well, and pick up the crown, good health to him. Well, with you

                  Do not know who crowned him? lol
            3. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 12 July 2020 16: 50
              -2
              Quote: Rusland
              only hands should be washed more often when you brush away a mean tear and other things under your nose.

              And fse crowns with the virus will disappear. Hands should be washed
          3. Simargl
            Simargl 12 July 2020 18: 06
            +9
            Quote: Smolin
            I also feel sorry for these few people in the GRU
            Given that the GRU was dissolved in 1992, these few people are likely to have been retired for a long time ...
            ... but do their work out of habit ?!
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 12 July 2020 18: 58
              +3
              Quote: Simargl
              Given that the GRU was dissolved in 1992

              No matter. They will still remember the KGB, or maybe even SMERSH, because everyone in the west read Jan Fleming. . What is it, Cheka, that's where it all came from. laughing
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 12 July 2020 19: 19
                0
                Quote: orionvitt
                They will still remember the KGB, or maybe even SMERSH, because everyone in the west read Jan Fleming. . What is it, Cheka, that's where it all came from.
                Trends ... oprichnina ...
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        4. IL-64
          IL-64 12 July 2020 15: 43
          -3
          Are you Russia yourself, or so, a European neighborhood?

          Are you definitely not a Jew? repeat
          What a manner to pass on personality angry
          1. Rusland
            Rusland 12 July 2020 15: 49
            -3
            Quote: IL-64
            Are you Russia yourself, or so, a European neighborhood?

            Are you definitely not a Jew? repeat
            What a manner to pass on personality angry

            I realized what I wrote, teacher. yes
            1. IL-64
              IL-64 12 July 2020 15: 50
              0
              Already understood who wrote.
              1. Rusland
                Rusland 12 July 2020 15: 52
                -5
                Quote: IL-64
                Already understood who wrote.

                Well, let's not be nervous, writer. yes
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 12 July 2020 18: 08
            +2
            Quote: IL-64
            Are you Russia yourself, or so, a European neighborhood?

            Are you definitely not a Jew? repeat
            What a manner to pass on personality angry

            I am the Jew. I'll start to get personal:
            - How do you explain to yourself the unprovoked aggressiveness towards people of your gender? What associations do you have when you see the rise of an air defense missile during guidance? Do you find a cognitive dissonance in the fact that the Spasskaya Tower is feminine?
        5. harpsichord
          harpsichord 12 July 2020 16: 40
          -5
          These few people unnecessarily (well, what secrets in the talking room) spit in someone else's soup, and the whole country may have troubles. They will not sell, for example, some kind of compressor or engine - and who is better off from this?
          1. Smolin
            Smolin 12 July 2020 16: 56
            -11 qualifying.
            The German government believes that the Russian military intelligence was involved in the attack on the Bundestag five years ago.
            The German government believes that the Russian military intelligence service GRU was involved in the cyber attack on the Bundestag. On May 5, the Federal Prosecutor's Office of the Federal Republic of Germany issued an arrest warrant for Russian citizen Dmitry Badin, who "as a member of the hacker group ART28, allegedly led the cyber attack on the German Bundestag in April-May 2015".

            Source of information link:
            https://www.dw.com/ru/германия-предложила-ес-ввести-санкции-против-россии-за-кибератаку/a-54143368
          2. Rusland
            Rusland 12 July 2020 17: 08
            0
            Guardian for the cleanliness of someone else’s soup, if you went home to the house, the pig wrote a statement there, I want to become a boar, the gimlet is already trying on. yes
          3. Charik
            Charik 12 July 2020 22: 34
            -1
            Khokhlam on rubber motors
        6. Charik
          Charik 12 July 2020 22: 33
          -1
          according to the profile picture, a European geyparad
        7. Hagen
          Hagen 13 July 2020 08: 06
          +1
          Quote: Rusland
          And what, "these few people" are not Russia?

          In the formed "love" triangle of the United States - Germany - Russia, Germany today is in a very unstable position - it is necessary to establish economic ties with the Russian Federation, to end SP-2, while somehow aggravating relations with the United States must be avoided. And here some chess moves can be considered that allow Merkel to demonstrate political loyalty to the United States, i.e. to quarrel loudly with Russia with a quiet, almost covert, agreement with the same Russia on more pressing issues. Politics is a murky and cynical thing, not everything is done transparently, even in relation to an official ally.
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 12 July 2020 16: 06
        +8
        Something new to come up with weak? These are sanctions AGAINST RUSSIA! And yet, we do not have the GRU, there is the General Staff !!! You losers! You don’t know how to properly impose sanctions, you can’t drive a disinfectant or conduct subversive work! winked
      3. 4ekist
        4ekist 12 July 2020 16: 15
        +3
        The government of Germany believes that she was involved in a cyber attack ......

        What is the difference to whom the sanctions for cyber attacks will be directed. In the same way, the Russian Federation can impose sanctions against EU countries for cyber attacks during voting, on the banking sector, defense enterprises, etc. This has long been done.
      4. forpost
        forpost 12 July 2020 16: 36
        +1
        and how do they recognize several people in gru?
      5. Alexey from Perm
        Alexey from Perm 12 July 2020 17: 34
        -1
        well, then let them enter, do not mind
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      7. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 July 2020 19: 26
        +4
        Quote: Smolin
        These sanctions (if they are still imposed) will be directed against several people in the GRU,

        And that the Americans both listened and read Merkel’s correspondence, and lowered them below the baseboard, so it’s silent about it, it turns out the Big Master has the right to rummage through the dirty linen of Germany,;.
      8. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 12 July 2020 20: 32
        0
        Quote: Smolin
        These sanctions (if they are still imposed) will be directed against several people in the GRU,

        And where are the sanctions against fenders for wiretapping merkel
        She already Germany does not know where to go
      9. Shuttle
        Shuttle 12 July 2020 20: 40
        0
        Quote: Smolin
        This sanction is not against RUSSIA as a whole!
        These sanctions (if they are still imposed) will be directed against several people in the GRU,
        (responsible for cyber attack). They will be denied entry to the countries of the European Union.

        These "several people from the GRU" if they really exist, then under their own names never went for the flags. If anything, they generally wipe the hands with alcohol at some watch factory. So the Germans decided to bang their heads across Russia. And the Russians do not care, and the Pentagonists are pleased. The Germans got out. What can I say. :)
      10. doubovitski
        doubovitski 12 July 2020 21: 37
        +2
        Quote: Smolin
        This sanction is not against RUSSIA as a whole!
        These sanctions (if they are still imposed) will be directed against several people in the GRU,
        (responsible for cyber attack). They will be denied entry to the countries of the European Union.

        If I sanction you, smeared in the face, and I won’t be anything for it, because it seems to me that you were making an insulting face to me, and, moreover, my friends will support me, then what can I do the same with you already without inventing a reason, or against anyone? You are our tolerant.
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 12 July 2020 15: 04
      +9
      Quote: Grazdanin
      I wonder what this time they’ll come up with.

      And why, then, are silent about the proven actions to wiretap the NSA ?! Weak?
      1. Pravodel
        Pravodel 12 July 2020 15: 15
        +6
        Why prove something? The main thing is Russia. And against Russia, evidence is needed.
  2. marchcat
    marchcat 12 July 2020 14: 13
    +9
    It seems that they still exist
    two of Germany and western fiercely hate Russia!
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 July 2020 14: 51
      +2
      It seems that there are still two Germanys and the Western fiercely hates Russia!

      Frau Merkel East German. And so in general, German is not particularly emotional. Neither love nor hatred is invested.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 12 July 2020 18: 07
        +1
        Quote: pytar
        Frau Merkel East German.
        Definitely not a Polish girl?
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 12 July 2020 16: 25
      +1
      Quote: marchcat
      It seems that they still exist
      two of Germany and western fiercely hate Russia!

      I think they are imitating violent activities against "aggressive Russia", because the Americans seem to have pinned their tails hard, demanding compensation for their protection in very large amounts. I think that everything will crumble, as with the expulsion of our diplomats in the Skripal case - now no one will even remember this event, because it was an imitation of violent activity, but in fact it was a mess, because new embassies came to replace the expelled ones, and perhaps even better than the old ones.
  3. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 12 July 2020 14: 15
    +3
    So much for the results of our expectation that the Europeans will lift the sanctions .. stop waiting for this already, as they say, hope for the best, get ready for the worst. We should be tougher with European interests in our country and in the CIS - stop aloof.
    1. businessv
      businessv 12 July 2020 14: 19
      -5
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      We should be tougher with European interests in our country and in the CIS - stop aloof.
      Our government cannot agree to this because they live there, and here they earn. Therefore, we will silently observe how the liberals and the oligarchs express sincere bewilderment, such as "why are we?" and deep concern if sanctions are imposed!
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 12 July 2020 14: 32
        +4
        Quote: businessv
        Our government cannot do this because

        Strange. And what did our government do right after the introduction of the first sanctions against the Russian Federation?
        The word is ... embargo ... have not you heard? Not?
        And two .. I’m going to be like a lapdog and bark at each irritation .. not worth it ..
        1. businessv
          businessv 12 July 2020 14: 53
          -6
          Quote: dvina71
          And two .. I’m going to be like a lapdog and bark at each irritation .. not worth it ..
          And three: how does the essence of your post differ from my meaning? I really didn’t mention the ban on food imports, unlike you, but in my opinion this ban has beneficially affected our agriculture. hi
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 12 July 2020 15: 36
            +6
            Quote: businessv
            Is your post different from the meaning of mine?

            The fact that our government immediately responded to pressure. Without regard to relatives and property ..
            Also, the actions of the Russian leadership do not fit into the family-related paradigm, but since 98. It all started with the repeal of the Law on the joint development of minerals, those who did not fall under this law were pushed by beavers .. yes yes .. they threatened their ecological niche .. Further more .. 08,14,15 .. this is the year of the direct military response of the Russian Federation to Western attacks.
        2. harpsichord
          harpsichord 12 July 2020 16: 41
          -10 qualifying.
          Our government imposed sanctions against its own people - banned the import of food. By itself. True, it didn’t hurt.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 12 July 2020 16: 45
            +5
            Quote: harpsichord
            Our government imposed sanctions against its own people - banned the import of food.

            Starve without parmesan .., sympathize ...
            1. harpsichord
              harpsichord 12 July 2020 16: 50
              -12 qualifying.
              Well no. I am in the Czech Republic, there is. I’m talking about these
              http://realtribune.ru/news/people/4616?utm_source=finobzor.ru
              Import substitution without competition - shit on the table. Is not it? Or you need to know how much milk is in milk. butter - butter, cheese - cheese?
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 12 July 2020 17: 05
                +2
                Quote: harpsichord
                Or you need to know how much milk is in milk. butter - butter, cheese - cheese?

                Do not. Dairy legislation in the Russian Federation is slightly weaker than German.
                \ For drinking milk can be found here .., and not in the garbage can of youtuber.
                http://docs.cntd.ru/document/1200103303
                For violation of the requirements of the Federal Law 88-F3, the fines are not small.
                In times of free export of milk ... the milk in the refrigerator just dried ...
                Souring now ...
                1. harpsichord
                  harpsichord 12 July 2020 18: 25
                  -12 qualifying.
                  Right now. Articles of the sea, threw Google - for example.
                  https://www.rosbalt.ru/piter/2020/02/13/1827835.html - молока в продаже нет.
                  or
                  https://www.rosbalt.ru/piter/2020/04/13/1838106.html - и творога нет.
              2. Rusland
                Rusland 12 July 2020 18: 10
                0
                Quote: harpsichord
                Well no. I am in the Czech Republic

                It looks like our message with a tablecloth and the road came in handy, the main thing is not to crack like a turnip. I caught someone and for something, well, sit and rejoice, we don’t need your piece of butter. yes
                1. harpsichord
                  harpsichord 12 July 2020 18: 27
                  -8
                  Yes, it’s understandable — the prigoys feed you well, but I feel sorry for all the others.
                  1. Rusland
                    Rusland 12 July 2020 18: 44
                    -1
                    Quote: harpsichord
                    Yes, it’s understandable — the prigoys feed you well, but I feel sorry for all the others.

                    Come on, Mother Teresa. How long have I wiped my mouth with the sleeve of my jacket? Sit there, not here. One less "full and satisfied". yes
                    1. harpsichord
                      harpsichord 12 July 2020 18: 56
                      -7
                      God be with you, botofarm. I understand - I’ll be back after commissioning, they’ll drag me right away. It was already. But not a damn thing - a lot of adjustments have to be done. and bot farms are not for these matters. So take a walk.
                      1. Rusland
                        Rusland 12 July 2020 19: 05
                        0
                        Quote: harpsichord
                        God be with you, botofarm. I understand - I’ll be back after commissioning, they’ll drag me right away. It was already. But not a damn thing - a lot of adjustments have to be done. and bot farms are not for these matters. So take a walk.

                        Come on, remember the gods, whether this is your due, you live well, okay, but what they press on is your problem, that means you’re angry with the tongue, you don’t watch, you drink. Meli Emelya - your week. Let yours walk, and we work here. yes
                      2. harpsichord
                        harpsichord 12 July 2020 19: 27
                        -7
                        So it’s one thing to work. and the other is the power to lick. Not nasty? Yes to raise a glass for officer honor and the Homeland. The homeland doesn’t spit? Well, like in Khabarovsk ...
                      3. Rusland
                        Rusland 12 July 2020 19: 48
                        -2
                        Quote: harpsichord
                        So it’s one thing to work. and the other is the power to lick. Not nasty?

                        It’s disgusting to read you, it’s good to drink, but the Russians don’t disgrace, if not forelock, it’s like sweeping streets near Kiev. wink
                      4. harpsichord
                        harpsichord 12 July 2020 19: 50
                        -6
                        Yeah. Well, if there is nothing to say. let's do an alcoholic - the major will set off.
                        shameful.
                      5. A good one
                        A good one 12 July 2020 19: 52
                        0
                        Quote: harpsichord
                        Yeah. Well, if there is nothing to say. let's do an alcoholic - the major will set off.
                        shameful.

                        Interestingly, and who is oink-oink with a spongy accent? It looks like the future is fat. laughing
                      6. harpsichord
                        harpsichord 12 July 2020 19: 55
                        -6
                        Looks like a future White Exodus. Maybe Germany or France will accept who swims ... but not all
                      7. harpsichord
                        harpsichord 12 July 2020 19: 55
                        -8
                        Or maybe Turkey?
                  2. A good one
                    A good one 12 July 2020 19: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: harpsichord
                    Well, if you have nothing to say

                    We do not know how to grunt, sorry my joy. request
                  3. harpsichord
                    harpsichord 12 July 2020 19: 56
                    -8
                    They will expel you from the bot farm - everyone knows how.
                  4. A good one
                    A good one 12 July 2020 20: 02
                    0
                    Quote: harpsichord
                    They will expel you from the bot farm - everyone knows how.

                    C'mon, you yourself are from that farm with a piglet, like a coat of arms, at the entrance gate.
                  5. harpsichord
                    harpsichord 12 July 2020 20: 11
                    -10 qualifying.
                    Bye, labeled. Himself, yourself ... pigsties ... piglets ... grunt ...
                    Damn, the level of education and culture is not just below the baseboard ...
                    How do you pass certification? Or or...
                    Bye, labeled. It's time to watch sports. They don’t pay me for supporting the need for bot farms and any kind of oink.
    2. A good one
      A good one 12 July 2020 19: 24
      -1
      Quote: harpsichord
      So take a walk

      My joy, the Eureka decoy, albeit making a living. You are my specialist irreplaceable. Yes, live and rejoice, a lot of purchases you have earned, that's just your soul and the smell from it ... I am silent, as if the admins were not offended after a hot weekend. No.
    3. harpsichord
      harpsichord 12 July 2020 19: 37
      -8
      All of you are Eureka, but Promezan ... not. guys. no need to translate arrows.
      The country is at a standstill thanks to nullified and near.
      1. Worse. than in Zimbabwe and Congo.
      http://realtribune.ru/news/people/4616?utm_source=finobzor.ru
      2. They got in where they didn’t ask - the Americans didn’t want to bury ISIS with their own hands, it's a pity people and grandmothers. Libya - definitely. Friendship with China - well - well.
      3. Hal Harvey “Respect science, respect nature, respect each other” For society and government. Where is our science? That's right, in the West. Where is our technology? Right, in the West.
      Where is our people?
      You can not answer.
      And shut up your mouth - for the time being, as history shows. Then all sorts of White outcomes ... or the 37-38th ...
    4. A good one
      A good one 12 July 2020 19: 58
      +1
      Quote: harpsichord
      Where is our people?

      Look, you know better from Europe. request
    5. harpsichord
      harpsichord 12 July 2020 20: 02
      -7
      Point blank means Khabarovsk, NAO, army units and other scales and cities you do not see and ask to look? Yes, you will soon find it yourself - wait. I really do not want to, but what to do when forced ...
    6. A good one
      A good one 12 July 2020 20: 08
      +2
      Moderators remove this freak, Khabarovsk already recalled, he has a new training manual. hi
  • ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 12 July 2020 19: 40
    +4
    Quote: harpsichord
    Well no. I am in the Czech Republic, there is.

    Modest, you can see beer for a jerk, and vodka under a herring. It’s going to be banned.
    1. harpsichord
      harpsichord 12 July 2020 19: 52
      -6
      Let be. There will be no need to pay a bot farm. they themselves will ask for slave. Already been. And without beer.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 12 July 2020 14: 47
    +1
    No, we had a plan to sit out the euro sanctions without much noise, there apparently was an agreement in the style of "we will scold you and throw the sanctions, but if it is quiet and without the development of the situation (I'm talking about 2014), then over time we will quietly back ". The classic cunning in the style of both yours and ours - it seems like they chided authoritarian Russia and did not lose face in front of the collective West, at the same time they did it predictably so that Russia did not kick its hoof and the "Russian Spring" did not go over the edge of the pan.
    We probably then said "Okay, let's do it." Apparently there were expectations that this would allow us to arrange some kind of legalization. But something went wrong - and all our expectations of the lifting of European sanctions or a split in the eurozone on this issue - all went to pieces. Ukrainian Nazis quieted down, the collapse of statehood did not happen. For 6 years the situation has changed, and not in our favor. To win this game we need to make our moves - and not wait for "a deal is a deal".
    All these are just my assumptions, perhaps everything is much more primitive, so to speak ..
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 12 July 2020 14: 57
      +4
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      No, we had a plan to sit out the euro sanctions without much ado

      Closing the Russian market for European cx products is this you call quietly?
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      We probably said, "Okay, let's do it." Apparently there were expectations that this would allow us to arrange some kind of legalization

      Where is this insider? We didn’t sort of special facilities ..
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 12 July 2020 15: 22
        -3
        That is, in your opinion, it comes out very logical - that we have "like mutual sanctions with Europe" - and at the same time, while these sanctions are still fanatically investing in laying pipes there? :)
        You see, there is something that is in sight, a kind of performance for the "progressive public", with the right words and canonical condemnations - but there is real politics taking place behind closed doors, without journalists. Everything is there in other phrases, things are called by their proper names and there is a bargaining and image maneuvering.
        The Germans kakbe are hinting to us - you must put more pieces on the board, hand over something so that we can return to the original plan of the agreement - and our figures are now sour and handing over on the outer board means losing on the inner one - so we are pushing back, trying to push the situation benefit "in fact" - through the construction of Sev.Potok-2, various sittings (like that time and the deteriorating international situation are playing on us), all these Asian maneuvers and ostentatious flaunting in the style of "what, it's even better to live!" ...

        We look at this game differently - for Europeans it is a chess game, for us it is a game of blinkers.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 12 July 2020 16: 48
          +2
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          That is, in your opinion, it comes out very logical - that we have "like mutual sanctions with Europe" - and at the same time, while these sanctions are still fanatically investing in laying pipes there? :)

          First ... express yourself more locally ... it's hard to read your sheets ..
          And yes ... logical. We are not pulling a pipe from there .. For you this may be strange, but you can and should sell your goods under sanctions. Moreover, to the organizers of the sanctions.
          You have something like flies and cutlets .. all in a bunch ..
    2. Tuzik
      Tuzik 12 July 2020 14: 59
      0
      What moves?
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 12 July 2020 15: 58
        +2
        In my opinion, our moves should be to put in order the remains of the CIS - not formal but actual. If necessary, we must interrupt this entire structure and integrate mechanisms into it that definitely give us the opportunity to create less favorable conditions for European business in the CIS markets, if such a need really arises. Similarly, by the way, how do they operate towards European solidarism in relations with us for EU members.
        All this should in no way be another "bogey" - we must lay the foundation of a structure that, in favorable conditions, would contribute to the growth of our value as a partner for the EU - in unfavorable ones - would serve as a space for our companies and our economy in the first place ...

        Our next move would be the ostentatious laying of the foundation of our future resource policy in the European direction. If we can make a product from our resources that is profitable and costs less than its European counterparts, we must work through these options and invest in them, step by step - to systematically create greater benefits for the Eastern European suppliers who interact with us. Starting with a small number of directions, you need to cling to success and gradually expand, which is called creating inexorable tension in the necessary direction.

        Finally, we need to learn how to better interact with the United States - specifically, to learn how to play a subtle game on the contradictions of US and EU interests. While in Europe we are sure that we have lost a common language with the states - they will fill the best price for the agreements, how this confidence will subside - they will agree more readily.
        1. Tuzik
          Tuzik 12 July 2020 16: 29
          0
          Thanks for the answer. Surely this is being undertaken but is facing a powerful counteraction.
        2. dvina71
          dvina71 12 July 2020 16: 49
          0
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          Finally, we need to learn how to better interact with the United States - specifically, to learn how to play a subtle game on the contradictions of US and EU interests

          What about laying a gas pipeline and closing the European gas market for American gas carriers? Not a game of controversy?
          1. harpsichord
            harpsichord 12 July 2020 16: 59
            -10 qualifying.
            Drank dibs. For they will pay off in a thousand years.
    3. businessv
      businessv 12 July 2020 15: 03
      -5
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      All these are just my assumptions, perhaps everything is much more primitive, so to speak ..
      A negotiated agreement is quite possible, all the more so a lot of joint projects with Germany - what is the Nord Stream worth! And no one has to wait for a win in this case, in view of the control of situevina by the whales. They will not let one of the countries steer for themselves, and even more so, they will not allow us to improve relations with the Germans - it is not beneficial for them.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 12 July 2020 15: 41
        0
        Our blue dream is to merge in a symbiotic ecstasy with European elites. In this design, we (probably) see an increase in our weight in world politics without huge organizational efforts - apparently this was a kind of grandiose foreign policy plan (if it existed at all) of the last two decades.
        We offer Europe stable and exclusive supplies of our resources and broad scientific and technical cooperation in those areas in which our competence is greater than (or equal to) European. We do not impede European economic interests in the east and in the CIS. In exchange, Europe agrees to formalize our sphere of influence and a certain freedom of construction within it. We open our markets to European goods and companies - while not conducive to American ones. In return, Europe allows us to freely purchase technologies / lines of interest to us and produced by European companies.

        In the future, in such a structure, a certain merger of the Central European and our elites and the mutual penetration of business should have taken place - which would give our elites the right to assert that they "gave birth" to some effective and viable project for "New Russia" and strengthened the future for their children and political receivers, through the creation of economic stability and cultural exchange.

        If something like this existed, it was beautiful on paper! In fact, after the start of the EU’s development, Europe turned out to be not so bold and ambitious as in the 90s and early 2000s (with all these Chirac-Schroeder-Berlusconi), the role of China in global trade has grown - and the issues of intra-European unity and the effectiveness of joint policies have become more complicated (in .th migration) = in general, Europe has rejected bold adventures and clearly prefers to go quieter to get further. At this moment, our paths diverge - and for a long time.
        It seems to us that these are temporary difficulties, Europeans believe that this policy is the basis of their survival in the 21st century.
        All these are just assumptions, I emphasize ..
      2. harpsichord
        harpsichord 12 July 2020 16: 45
        -8
        The flow under the latest EU directive will not pay off even in a thousand years. These flows ... no words
        http://realtribune.ru/news/economics/4629?utm_source=finobzor.ru
        https://www.rosbalt.ru/world/2020/07/11/1853220.html
        You need to think with your head, and not with defective managers like Rogozin
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 12 July 2020 14: 16
    +4
    Or maybe still blow ?!
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 12 July 2020 14: 55
      +2
      Quote: Cyril G ...
      Or maybe still blow ?!

      Perhaps.
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 12 July 2020 15: 31
      -5
      Quote: Cyril G ...
      Or maybe still blow ?!

      I would simply stop supplying them with hydrocarbons through pipes, let them heat them with environmentally friendly manure. Greta Thunberg to help them. But who will listen to me? This is probably the only opportunity to develop the country by selling hydrocarbons "for inexpensive". repeat
  • Junior Warrant Officer
    Junior Warrant Officer 12 July 2020 14: 16
    -10 qualifying.
    We can’t introduce a pipe to them either, but they ....
    Some with VO have almost declared Germany an ally to us, but here such a setup ...
    Yes, this is not a setup - sanctions are for our benefit!
    Thank you comrades fascists for the sanctions, and we will recoup you for this with an annual parade.
    You sanction us, and we’re a parade,
    You stick us in the economy, and we salute you!
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 12 July 2020 14: 26
      +1
      German does not mean fascist. watch your tongue.
      1. Junior Warrant Officer
        Junior Warrant Officer 12 July 2020 14: 28
        -5
        Oh yes, I completely forgot ... In the new manuals, Ukrainians are fascists, and Germans are our partners.
        Excuse me sir again.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 12 July 2020 14: 30
          +5
          not. just if you are an infantile child and you don’t understand the difference, then you need to teach people like you. just for the simple reason that more than 500 thousand Germans live in our country. and I am one of them. as for the Ukrainians, you do not confuse a normal Ukrainian and that trash that shines with torches there and shells people. I personally distinguish the difference between them. I also advise you to understand it.
          1. Junior Warrant Officer
            Junior Warrant Officer 12 July 2020 14: 33
            -7
            So in (in) Ukraine, 40% percent of Russians live, and this is 20 million.
            Several million Ukrainians live in Russia ...
            Nevertheless, they are fascists for the vast majority of the inhabitants of the site ...
            So our Germans are the right Germans, and the Nazis imposing sanctions on us.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 12 July 2020 14: 34
              +8
              are you 8 years old or something? you’re talking about some kind of nonsense ... there’s a bunch of Ukrainians on VO. no one has ever called normal people like that here.
              1. kot28.ru
                kot28.ru 12 July 2020 14: 49
                +6
                There are normal Ukrainians, but there is, like this typical gunpowder with an independent hi
            2. Ramzaj99
              Ramzaj99 12 July 2020 14: 49
              +1
              Quote: Junior Warrant Officer
              So in (in) Ukraine, 40% percent of Russians live, and this is 20 million.

              Of these 40%, 39% have already been brainwashed, what to call Russian is the worst insult .....
            3. sleeve
              sleeve 12 July 2020 14: 50
              +7
              What kind of stream? Site not mistaken?
          2. harpsichord
            harpsichord 12 July 2020 17: 02
            -8
            Those with torches 0,1%. And Russia does not have them - the Solovyovs are even glad to make a product for them, but it has the whole country. This task is worth making a belt of enemies around the country that NATO will tear before.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 12 July 2020 14: 35
        -6
        Quote: carstorm 11
        German does not mean fascist. watch your tongue.

        I have the word fascist associated with Mussolini))
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 12 July 2020 14: 37
          -1
          quite a vivid image!
        2. businessv
          businessv 12 July 2020 15: 09
          -1
          Quote: Krasnodar
          I have the word fascist associated with Mussolini))

          So it’s not in vain - fascism was born there and gained weight! Hitler strongly supported Mussolini and his undertakings, and since there cannot be two supernations, they had to separate the concepts. So they did. Mussolini got fascism, and Hitler - Nazism. smile
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 12 July 2020 15: 21
            +4
            Nazism and fascism are very different things. Fascism does not provide for the superiority of one nation over another. This is the priority of state interests over everything else, under totalitarian, as a rule, leadership. Nazism provides for a racial struggle, which is not characteristic of fascism. The Italians who poisoned Ethiopians with gas on the battlefield were convinced that they brought them equal rights and deliverance from feudalism.
            1. businessv
              businessv 12 July 2020 15: 38
              0
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Nazism and fascism are very different things.

              There are more differences between them than similarities and fascism appeared earlier, Hitler brought many of his ideas into it, but I was talking specifically about nations, not about similarities, or differences.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 12 July 2020 16: 53
                +1
                Germans and Italians? )) Very different hi
            2. A good one
              A good one 12 July 2020 16: 43
              0
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Nazism and fascism are very different things.

              Yes, really different, though they are still sticks, in terms of their purposes and consequences. hi
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 12 July 2020 16: 52
                +1
                I agree - flawed ideologies.
        3. ccsr
          ccsr 12 July 2020 16: 30
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          I have the word fascist associated with Mussolini

          But Hitler is associated only with the Holocaust - you are such wise citizens of the two states, you only remember your grief, and on the mountain of others you spit on the Nazis.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 12 July 2020 16: 51
            +1
            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: Krasnodar
            I have the word fascist associated with Mussolini

            But Hitler is associated only with the Holocaust - you are such wise citizens of the two states, you only remember your grief, and on the mountain of others you spit on the Nazis.

            : No, Hitler is associated with people who are concerned about the national origin of the opponent)).
      3. fleks
        fleks 12 July 2020 15: 56
        0
        What is the difference. Nazi fascist. We decided that the former is more harmonious for the Russian ear and the current does not change the whole essence. Our grandfathers fought with the Germans. And what they have in their heads, nevermind
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 12 July 2020 16: 54
          +3
          With Germans, Romanians, Hungarians, Italians, Slovaks, Spaniards, etc.
          1. fleks
            fleks 12 July 2020 19: 37
            0
            Add more Poles Lithuanians Estonians Danes Spaniards ....... the smartest or what?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 12 July 2020 20: 30
              0
              He listed the Spaniards, the rest were at the level of statistical error, including the French defending the Reichstag.
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 12 July 2020 15: 02
      -2
      Some with VO have almost declared Germany an ally to us, but here such a setup ...

      In fact, here Germanophilic pact lovers already cherish the wet dreams of a new connection between Russia and Germany for the destruction of the Anglo-Saxons.
      Forgotten who in the most bloody wars fought Nevsky, Apraksin, Brusilov and Zhukov.
      1. Junior Warrant Officer
        Junior Warrant Officer 12 July 2020 15: 04
        -2
        How pleasant it is at this time of resurrection to find here an adequate person who understands what I said above. Thank you very much, have a nice day, have a nice weekend!
    3. A good one
      A good one 12 July 2020 16: 37
      +1
      Quote: Junior Warrant Officer
      Thank you comrades fascists for the sanctions, and we will recoup you for this with an annual parade.
      You sanction us, and we’re a parade,
      You stick us in the economy, and we salute you!

      Ai well done, another gypsy with the exit remained. yes Or is something interfering with this action?
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  • Kars
    Kars 12 July 2020 14: 24
    -2
    So what will the ban on BMW and Mercedes be?
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 12 July 2020 14: 37
      -1
      Quote: Kars
      So what will the ban on BMW and Mercedes be?

      it’s only you ..hhhh .. such a fool is tossing around .. Trampling your claws.
      BMW and MB are produced in Russia ..
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        1. dvina71
          dvina71 12 July 2020 14: 55
          +1
          Quote: Junior Warrant Officer
          BMW and Mercedes supported the LGBT community by placing their "rainbow" on their logo, and we voted for the amendments to the constitution against Ls 3,14.

          In Russia there is a restriction of gay propaganda on children .. For a long time, have children of BMW and Mears bought from us?
          1. Junior Warrant Officer
            Junior Warrant Officer 12 July 2020 14: 59
            -7
            I agree that children only need to ban ice cream with the name rainbow.
      2. Kars
        Kars 12 July 2020 16: 46
        0
        And the profit also goes to Russia?
        In this case, too lazy to find out what percentage of local components.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 12 July 2020 17: 12
          0
          Quote: Kars
          And the profit also goes to Russia?

          In .. I know x about xl and .. immediately about the profit ..
          The profits are still in question, but the local workers must pay the salary, they must pay taxes on their salaries. They must pay for the land, they must pay for the heat, they need the electricity ..
          Quote: Kars
          In this case, too lazy to find out what percentage of local components.

          Not ... not too lazy. Under Russian law, localization should be at least 60% .. Possible relief during the first 2 years ..
          Volkswagen has placed the production of ICE and gearbox in Russia .. so that the Germans have only electronics and electric equipment left, but the Bosch Siemens will fight for its share ..
          Yes ... another ICE is produced in Russia.
          Matsuda, Ford .., builds a Hyundai plant ..
          And now tell us the news of the automotive industry of Ukraine ..
          How many Krazov collected ..60?
          1. Kars
            Kars 12 July 2020 18: 35
            -2
            Actually, we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation, and not the author of Ukraine.
            But in 60% of the localization, I just do not believe. The same internal combustion engines can also be assembled from imported spare parts.
            And it is strange to be proud of the localization of Ford, some Japanese company, and not the successes of KAMAZ.
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 12 July 2020 23: 49
              +1
              Quote: Kars
              Actually, we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation, and not the author of Ukraine.

              So that's the point. The Russian Federation under sanctions. At the same time produces about 2 million cars a year. It produces various components for these cars. Including ICE and gearbox. You can believe in localization or not .., but you didn’t move your finger for the sake of the automobile industry of Ukraine. The question arises .. who is under sanctions ..
        2. harpsichord
          harpsichord 12 July 2020 17: 57
          -5
          Stop about Russia
          http://realtribune.ru/news/people/4616?utm_source=finobzor.ru
  • Crash
    Crash 12 July 2020 14: 27
    +2
    Yes, I did not download your correspondence! I need your Merkel ...
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 July 2020 14: 28
    +1
    Who cares about evidence? They have already recognized "Hailey Likely" as the queen of proofs ... If there is any doubt, no doubt! And with such "partners", with a shifted consciousness, one must treat them as inadequate patients ... Caution.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 12 July 2020 14: 30
    +1
    For a long time, it doesn’t matter to us anymore .... and whoever burns there, this is pf-e.
    There was espionage, is and will be, from all sides ... so the cat and the mouse didn’t eat all the cheese.
  • demo
    demo 12 July 2020 14: 35
    +3
    Here is an activity map on the Internet.
    Since 2015, a lot of water has flowed.
    But today we are far from in the forefront.
    Germany picked up a banner from her tired hands.
    And he will continue to swing it.

    https://cybermap.kaspersky.com/ru
  • parusnik
    parusnik 12 July 2020 14: 42
    +2
    But despite these German sanctions, the Nord Stream -2 gas pipeline to Germany will be laid ... a contract ...
  • Poetry
    Poetry 12 July 2020 14: 43
    0
    There is a keyword: SUGGESTED.
    1. businessv
      businessv 12 July 2020 15: 13
      0
      Quote: Poetiszaugla
      There is a keyword: SUGGESTED.

      This applies only to the dates: Presumably by the end of the current year.
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 12 July 2020 15: 24
        0
        "presumably led a cyber attack on the Bundestag ..." This is about a specific dude, presumably.
  • Brancodd
    Brancodd 12 July 2020 14: 44
    +3
    Surprisingly, for some reason in Russia this new Reich is out of the question. We have a taboo in the media - no criticism about Germany. Does the Chancellor demand "the return of the exported valuables" or "we do not want to see Russians among the shareholders of EADS", or an ultimatum "if you take Mariupol ..." or incite the Americans to Serbia, or applause in the Bundestag to this Kolya from Urengoy. Well, the Ukraine project is, first of all, a German project. The Fourth Reich took place and is again directed against us, it is necessary to draw conclusions ...
    You need to understand that the goals of Germany are different from the goals of the United States (Anglo-Saxons in general). Germany used the US as fools while it was possible.
    Germany does not represent any alliance or even equal coexistence with Russia. Not part of their plans. All our nonsense type axis Berlin - Moscow - Beijing - an absolute chimera.
    Of the inhabitants of the GDR, the USSR tried to make normal people, and it almost worked out. But on the whole, the general mood, which of course they try to openly not show, is revenge and revenge. My good friend, a German professor, Slavic professor, was in great stress in 1999 and, in his opinion, the whole company against Serbia is an act of revenge for the Third Reich. Ultimately, the goal is Russia.
    All our so-called cooperation with them is a project that works according to their rules and in their interests. For example, it was Germany that stopped the South Stream, and not US congressmen at all, as is customary in our opinion. When they twisted the arms of Bulgaria, they allowed us to build flows in the Baltic, which, in fact, Germany now controls. This economic interaction cannot be changed. It can only be torn. Even with an understanding of serious losses.
    1. businessv
      businessv 12 July 2020 15: 26
      +3
      Quote: Brancodd
      in his opinion, the whole company against Serbia is an act of revenge for the Third Reich. Ultimately, the goal is Russia.
      Well, you spun famously, colleague! The states insisted on the bombing. Please do not forget that there are a lot of striped bases in Germany and that the bases are there in accordance with the surrender act signed after WWII and nobody is going to withdraw them from there, just as they are not going to give Germany independence in making strategic decisions.
      Well, the Ukraine project is, first of all, a German project.
      If you forgot, then I recall that the cookies on the Maidan were not distributed by Merkel, but Nuland and Biden was pushing speeches in the parliament, so this project is purely striped and is managed by the independent state. My friend, who lives in Cologne, speaks of the extreme irritation of most German people with state interference in their lives, politics and economics.
      1. Brancodd
        Brancodd 12 July 2020 17: 10
        -1
        Well, you spun famously, colleague! The states insisted on the bombing. Please do not forget about the presence in Germany of a mass of striped bases and that the bases

        Oh, don't jump to conclusions. If you recall the events before 1999, then you will see that it was the German elites who fanned the fire. By the way, the demand for recognition of Croatia by the rest of the European Union "until the morning." Otherwise, Germany threatened unilateral recognition of Croatia. They are not puppets, but play their own game. No tanks yet ...
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 12 July 2020 14: 45
    0
    writes Deutsche Welle.

    As usual - they are driving the wave. request
  • Avior
    Avior 12 July 2020 14: 46
    +3
    The world is somehow mixed up.
    It turns out that the Germans are against the introduction of sanctions by the States, they themselves want to introduce them.
    1. Tuzik
      Tuzik 12 July 2020 15: 06
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      The world is somehow mixed up.
      It turns out that the Germans are against the US imposing sanctions, they themselves want to introduce them.

      laughing good
  • Rostislav
    Rostislav 12 July 2020 15: 03
    -1
    Was it the Germans who decided to bend in front of the penguins for supporting Nord Stream 2? Like, we are also ready to bark at Russia and flatten sanctions, but don't deprive us of gas?
    No one bothers with evidence anymore.
  • poquello
    poquello 12 July 2020 15: 28
    0
    crap! Merkel proposed to make Germany a lawless state, whom I want - I blame him, while in the world a couple of the USA and England.
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 12 July 2020 15: 33
    +1
    Someone in the restroom of the German government farted loudly.
    Someone in Deutsche Welle said that Russia, which is going to be punished, is to blame for the explosions in Germany.
    Someone in the editorial board of VO posted this sensational news.
    And the discussion started in the comments ...
  • Klingon
    Klingon 12 July 2020 15: 56
    +2
    right now the first ones are harnessed to psheki of course! And Mackerel obviously forgot how the NSA hacked her personal phone, probably she already has dementia
  • Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 12 July 2020 16: 01
    -1
    Here it is the essence of the fascist face.
  • Harry cuper
    Harry cuper 12 July 2020 16: 16
    -5
    When reputation is lost no longer needed
  • cniza
    cniza 12 July 2020 16: 22
    +1
    On May 5, the Federal Prosecutor's Office of Germany issued an arrest warrant for Russian citizen Dmitry Badin, who, as a member of the hacker group ART28, allegedly led a cyber attack on the German Bundestag in April-May 2015.


    It looks like their US has bitten ... and again, presumably ...
  • A good one
    A good one 12 July 2020 16: 24
    0
    Quote: Smolin
    Already a tear is falling into my eyes, so their poor are sorry ... We can not even imagine how now they can live without all this !!! ... But still, dear forum users, please calm down.

    My joy, a gag as if from myself, no need to jump out of panties to surprise members of the forum. laughing
    In "calm down" the soft sign would be nice to use. Well, this is me, as a senior on the true path, I teach you.
  • 5-9
    5-9 12 July 2020 16: 44
    0
    Those. Someone really does not want Germany to enter the Eurasian Economic Zone instead of Japan as a consumer-industrial component ...
    1. harpsichord
      harpsichord 12 July 2020 16: 57
      -5
      What Eurasian zone - all the money is not on technology, but on flows. which are already like manure, but for cuts.
      1. 5-9
        5-9 12 July 2020 17: 28
        +1
        Kysh, ragulskaya crest ... You didn’t even understand what it was about ...
        1. harpsichord
          harpsichord 12 July 2020 17: 40
          -4
          It is advisable to pull pants from the knees, coming into society
        2. harpsichord
          harpsichord 12 July 2020 17: 46
          -3
          Dreams of a business alliance with Germany. France without accepting the rules of civilized behavior in the world is utter stupidity. "Some - who" arranges small fights for another reason - it shows toughness. when Poseidons and other nasty things are lacking.
          1. 5-9
            5-9 12 July 2020 17: 53
            0
            Ragulyam forgot to tell that it’s not about union, but about joining as a junior partner ...
            It’s clear that today it’s a pitchfork on the water .... Tsarism also thought about the Straits and Palestine before the WWII and how it came out ... But the discourse is just that
            1. harpsichord
              harpsichord 12 July 2020 18: 19
              -4
              Duc to be a senior partner. it is necessary to build railways in France and Germany, and not to throw coal into the furnaces of steam locomotives. There are enough blacks, the world is big.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 12 July 2020 16: 50
    -2
    The photo is not a case of the former "Reichstag". Something inspired ...
  • Irek
    Irek 12 July 2020 17: 40
    -1
    Our liberde to the joy.
  • Suslin
    Suslin 12 July 2020 17: 42
    +1
    Once again, a "democratic" Europe is applying sanctions under a far-fetched pretext. Probably it is necessary to fulfill the instructions of Washington, otherwise they will be deprived of the sweet.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 12 July 2020 17: 48
    0
    And the Germans are riding a roof.
  • zontov79
    zontov79 12 July 2020 18: 00
    +1
    And they don’t want to impose US sanctions, for wiretapping of Angela Shmerkel?
  • bar
    bar 12 July 2020 18: 34
    +2
    I propose the following sanctions to introduce for the genocide of goldfish in the aquarium of Honduras in 2000. And it doesn’t matter that the aquarium is not there, and the fish too.
  • Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 12 July 2020 18: 56
    +3
    Some crap!
    The cyberattack was in 2015. The law was passed in 2017. The sanctions were invented in mid-2020 !!!
  • 1536
    1536 12 July 2020 19: 04
    +1
    In the summer, the Germans are drawn to attack Russia.
  • pexotinec
    pexotinec 12 July 2020 19: 26
    +2
    Against America for wiretapping weakly enter?
  • RuSFr
    RuSFr 12 July 2020 19: 36
    +1
    The German government again obeyed commands from across the ocean.
    All this can cost the Germans and the whole of Europe ...
  • harpsichord
    harpsichord 12 July 2020 20: 14
    -5
    Quote: Rusland
    Yes, the Russians do not disgrace


    Yeah. Look, who do you think is dishonorable ... not blue brothers - sisters in Salisbury ...
    Parenting however. Mom do not cry.
    Oh well. Write letters.
  • beeper
    beeper 12 July 2020 21: 05
    +2
    Well yes, all these years, the Americans brazenly listened to the cell phone and cyber-read the entire correspondence of the Bundescan Chancellor Merkel! yes
    What, albeit with a huge delay, were caught by the German security service so that Angelka had to urgently change her phone, to an encrypted one, which is without amero-spy "bookmarks"! winked
    But the Germans have little guts to declare "sanctions" against the United States, but they want to recoup Russia for their failure, they are supposedly to blame for this ?!
    fool
  • Esaul
    Esaul 12 July 2020 21: 45
    +1
    In response, I propose introducing sanctions against Germany for the treacherous attack of June 22, 1941.
  • Cetron
    Cetron 12 July 2020 22: 00
    +1
    Is GRU guilty again? Well this is for intelligence, failure after failure. Maybe it’s time for those involved to send work as a kyle or a saw to where it’s cold in the coat even in summer. And do not care about sanctions, for which they will always be found.
  • Shurik_2
    Shurik_2 12 July 2020 22: 51
    +2
    The guard, again double standards. When the NSA got into Frau Merkel’s phone, she didn’t even dare to sneeze, and then someone rummaged and that’s all, the guard is robbed, sanctions against them. Grandmother is aging, she falls into insanity.
  • Joker62
    Joker62 13 July 2020 03: 20
    0
    I wonder what this time they’ll come up with.

    And to read carefully is not fate? Or just watch cartoons?
    Here is a small quote for you:
    Quote: Grazdanin
    On May 5, the Federal Prosecutor's Office of Germany issued an arrest warrant for Russian citizen Dmitry Badin, who, as a member of the hacker group ART28, allegedly led a cyber attack on the German Bundestag in April-May 2015.

    And no need to ask stupid and naive questions.
    Be healthy, reader and do not read between the lines ...
  • Joker62
    Joker62 13 July 2020 03: 24
    +1
    Quote: Cetron
    Is GRU guilty again? Well this is for intelligence, failure after failure. Maybe it’s time for those involved to send work as a kyle or a saw to where it’s cold in the coat even in summer. And do not care about sanctions, for which they will always be found.

    Yes, the intelligence officers — the GRU, the FSB and the SVR — are always and everywhere to blame for the geyropeytsy.
    Wherever you spit, everywhere they seem to have traces of our intelligence.
    Most likely they have long developed an advanced disease like paranoia ....
    Insanity only grows stronger, no worse than concrete castings ....
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 13 July 2020 04: 07
    -1
    Can we still consider the sanctions against the German pirate attack in the period 1941-1945?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 July 2020 06: 51
    -1
    It can be seen that the Germans are covered with idiocy like striped. On the one hand, they nearly fought with the striped for the completion of the SP-2, on the other hand, sanctions on the Russian Federation. Some sort of raskoryak turns out, as if the pants did not tear.
  • And why do you need
    And why do you need 13 July 2020 07: 22
    0
    Sanctions against the people of Russia or against the rulers? With 100% of eligible voters, 50-60% of voters come. And .... they choose a candidate with a result of 60 -70%. So .... How many voters are for? Or "about whom the bell tolls"?
    1. iouris
      iouris 13 July 2020 14: 39
      -1
      "Do not ask for whom the bell tolls; it rings for you."
      1. And why do you need
        And why do you need 13 July 2020 15: 32
        0
        Kremlebot? Set towers in the avatar so you don’t even read
  • iouris
    iouris 13 July 2020 13: 07
    0
    They would suggest immediately introducing sanctions on gas.
  • Tarasios
    Tarasios 14 July 2020 07: 45
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    Europe needs a reason to introduce another restriction for Russia in order to benefit. Nothing new.