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Court in the case of MH17: new facts appear, and they are not in favor of Ukraine

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New circumstances continue to emerge in the high-profile case of the crash of a Boeing flight MH17 in the Donbass. Although the next hearing will be held in August, it is possible that the court will have to take into account new circumstances.


President of the court Hendrick Steinhays said on July 3 that the new court hearings will only take place on August 31, 2020. During a new court session, the court plans to announce a decision regarding the demands of the prosecutor's office in defense of Oleg Pulatov, one of four accused of involvement in the crash of the plane. The defendants Igor Girkin, Sergey Dubinsky, Oleg Pulatov and Leonid Kharchenko were summoned to court on August 31, but it is easy to assume that not one of them will appear at the hearing.

As you know, Girkin (Strelkova), Dubinsky and Kharchenko are tried in absentia, but Oleg Pulatov is represented by a group of lawyers, and it is his defense that works professionally. So, requests were submitted as to why the scene of the accident for months remained unattended, which created an objective opportunity for falsification of evidence.

The court has already satisfied the following requirements of Pulatov’s defense: to allow lawyers and a Russian expert to inspect the wreckage of the aircraft at an air base in the Netherlands, to appoint an Almaz-Antey expert to analyze reports from Dutch experts, and to re-analyze images from American satellites.

In addition to considering requests from Pulatov’s defense, on August 31, the court plans to discuss the important issue of compensation for damage to the families of those killed in the flight Amsterdam-Kuala Lumpur. However, until the perpetrators of the plane crash have been identified, it is hardly possible to assign to one of the parties the obligation to compensate the damage caused to the relatives of the deceased. So it can be assumed that the final decision on damages is still quite a long way off.

Meanwhile, public opinion is clearly not in favor of the “Russian version” of the disaster. So, a book was published in Malaysia, in which the catastrophe is described as a good reason for the United States and the European Union to introduce economic sanctions against Russia.

Scandalous material about the crash of a Malaysian plane appeared in China. According to Chinese journalists, based on a survey of eyewitnesses, the crash could have occurred as a result of the operation of the Security Service of Ukraine. So, one of the eyewitnesses said that just before the crash he watched as a military aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force suddenly changed course. This plane was seen in the area before the disaster occurred.


Ultimately, a court in the Netherlands agreed to consider the arguments of Almaz-Antey, which could confirm the non-involvement of Russia, the DPR and the LPR in the tragedy.

Against this background, Ukraine is trying to urgently rectify the situation. So, in early July 2020, the SBU announced the detention in Kiev of a citizen who may be involved in a plane crash in the Donbass. This man, according to Ukrainian counterintelligence agents, managed an agent network that planned a number of terrorist acts and sabotage in Ukraine, and in 2014-2020. served as one of the curators of the Donetsk militia through the GRU (Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces). The office of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine announced that the intelligence department of the DPR military department was allegedly involved in organizing the plane crash.

In any case, the final decision is made by the court. But we see that certain steps are already being taken towards clarifying the true causes of the disaster. No matter how biased the court in the Netherlands, but under the influence of evidence and public opinion, not only in Russia but also in other countries, he will still have to listen to the arguments of various sides of the process.
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  1. BAI
    BAI 10 July 2020 12: 40 New
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    new facts appear, and they are not in favor of Ukraine
    Who cares? The culprit was appointed before the plane crashed.
    1. credo
      credo 10 July 2020 13: 07 New
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      Quote: BAI
      new facts appear, and they are not in favor of Ukraine
      Who cares? The culprit was appointed before the plane crashed.

      The difference, of course, is significant, at least for Russia and its citizens.
      As for the Anglo-Saxon world and its henchmen, then here every bast is in line - Russia and Russians in any situation should always be put in a bad light so that the Anglo-Saxon-controlled population and countries always remember that there are countries in the world, as they are called "rogue countries "and they must always be fought, wasted money, strength and nerves, at the same time day and night reminding that the fair-faced and good Anglo-Saxons are bombed and poisoned and killed, only for the sake of higher justice and wonderful thoughts, and of course for the sake of world peace.
      For six years, the Anglo-Saxons have been hammering this “truth” to their people and the world and will be hammering for another six years, and in twelve years the court will make a decision and acquit Russia and the Russians, but the lesson against us will be learned and brainwash the population of US-controlled countries it will be very difficult and even difficult to do. Psychology and instinct will work automatically.
    2. military_cat
      military_cat 10 July 2020 13: 10 New
      +7
      I would like to clarify what kind of "emerging new facts" we are talking about. I see publications of journalists with standard sorting of versions and satisfied requests for re-examinations, which may give new facts, or maybe not. Alas, none of this is a fact.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 July 2020 13: 36 New
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        Quote: military_cat
        I would like to clarify which "emerging new facts" are in question

        Yeah, and only at the beginning of July they detained "a certain citizen," there was no such citizen for six years, and suddenly "a citizen appeared in front of the SBU," as if he had specially run out with the banner "I am a participant in the Boeing crash." When will Ukraine cease to amaze the world?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 10 July 2020 13: 47 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          When will Ukraine cease to amaze the world?

          When ceases to exist as a misunderstanding
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 10 July 2020 14: 09 New
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            When ceases to exist as a misunderstanding

            Something tells me that you are quite right on this issue.
        2. DeKo
          DeKo 10 July 2020 14: 51 New
          +6
          Ukraine will cease to amaze the whole world when it enters the EU. Like areas of Poland and Hungary
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 10 July 2020 18: 32 New
            0
            Quote: DeKo
            Ukraine will cease to amaze the whole world when it enters the EU. Like areas of Poland and Hungary

            Galicia and Volhynia Poland, Bukovina Romania, Uzhgorod Hungary.
            Southeast is likely to Russia. yes
            And where will all the Berdichevs and Zhmerynks go? Not to Israel! wassat
            1. DeKo
              DeKo 10 July 2020 23: 41 New
              +2
              In place of Berdichev, an independent state, S.R.U. Free Republic of Ukraine
        3. boss
          boss 11 July 2020 00: 35 New
          +2
          Ohhh, is this not the Ukrainian dispatcher resurrected?
          All recordings of conversations between pilots and dispatchers should be recorded in black boxes and on the ground. there is no dispatcher - is it over?
          No Records - Are You Over?
          Hmmm
          I DO NOT BELIEVE.
          And the court believes
          1. Avior
            Avior 11 July 2020 10: 28 New
            -1
            You blindly believe that you heard six years ago from the corner of your ear.
            These records have been everywhere for a long time already, They were published back in 2014, and there are long ago everywhere, right up to Wikipedia
            . In Appendix G to the final report, negotiations of Dnepropetrovsk controllers with the crew of flight MH17, as well as with their colleagues from the Rostov flight information area, were published.

            Negotiation Recording
            Abbreviations
            MH17: One of the pilots
            DNP: Dnepropetrovsk Air Traffic Control Center
            RST: Rostov Air Traffic Control Center
            Time (UTC) On Air Text Message (Translation)
            13:08:00 MH17 to DNP Dnepr-Radar, Malaysian one seven, flight level 330. (English)
            DNP to MH17 Malaysian one seven, Dnepr-Radar, good afternoon, radar contact. (eng.)
            MH17 to DNP Malaysian one seven. (eng.)
            13:19:21 DNP to RST Yes.
            RST to DNP So, Dnipro, Rostov alone. Can you give Malaysian a heading to Rostov, to the RND point, where do we have three pieces?
            DNP to RST Malaysian seventeenth?
            RST to DNP Yes, then we will return it to TIKNA.
            DNP to RST Good .....
      2. syndicalist
        syndicalist 10 July 2020 14: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: military_cat
        I would like to clarify what kind of "emerging new facts" we are talking about.

        They wrote to you clearly
        So, a book was published in Malaysia, in which the catastrophe is described as a good reason for the United States and the European Union to introduce economic sanctions against Russia.
        1. ender
          ender 10 July 2020 15: 51 New
          -2
          this book is a terry conspiracy theology, where the author accuses the Jews, Masons and Illuminati of everything))


          1. Revolver
            Revolver 10 July 2020 18: 38 New
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            Quote: ender
            author blames Jews, Masons, and Illuminati on a standard basis

            Since Malaysia is a state in which Islam is the official state religion and the basis of legislation, Jews are to blame for all troubles, despite the fact that there is not a single Jew in the whole country.
            1. forpost
              forpost 10 July 2020 19: 44 New
              +1
              What is this statement based on?
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 10 July 2020 19: 53 New
                +1
                On the facts. At least something on the cover of the booklet says "YAHUDI", i.e. Jews, although whichever air defense system was noted, ukrovsky or militia, there were guaranteed no Jews at the console.
                1. boss
                  boss 11 July 2020 00: 39 New
                  0
                  You’re a nationalist.
                  Right in the pedigree see.
                  Or would a Jew not be able to do this?
                2. Avior
                  Avior 11 July 2020 10: 38 New
                  -1
                  Dajaal on the cover is a Muslim version of the Christian antichrist :)
                3. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 11 July 2020 14: 41 New
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                  Quote: Nagan
                  guaranteed there were no Jews at the console.

                  sho? belay definitely not gonna wear it? belay How do you know? laughing
            2. Simargl
              Simargl 11 July 2020 02: 25 New
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              Quote: Nagan
              despite the fact that there is not a single Jew in the whole country.
              They surround them. The ring is pulled together. Fearfully.
          2. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 11 July 2020 14: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: ender
            this book is a terry conspiracy theology, where the author accuses the Jews, Masons and Illuminati of everything))

            hmmm .. and the investigation of the Netherlands then what? How is a conspiracy of Masons, Jews and portholes better than an investigation team building an evidence base based on a photo of Buk found on the Internet by a group of British high school students? lol
            1. ender
              ender 11 July 2020 17: 11 New
              -3
              then the court will make a decision and find out ..
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 12 July 2020 00: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: ender
                then the court will make a decision and find out ..

                one such "court" has already been seen. farce in Serbia ...
                the only thing we will see is whether there is a court in the Netherlands or just a bunch of clowns, such as the commission conducting the investigation laughing
      3. snucerist
        snucerist 10 July 2020 19: 22 New
        -3
        Also surprised.
        Why such an article? What are the new facts?
        "So, one of the eyewitnesses said that just before the crash he watched as a military aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force suddenly changed course."
        This is all from the same series as "with my own eyes ... seen ... at an altitude of 10000 meters ..."?
        Really, the arguments should at least not cause laughter.
        Bored, gentlemen.
    3. Normal ok
      Normal ok 10 July 2020 14: 13 New
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      Quote: BAI
      new facts appear, and they are not in favor of Ukraine
      Who cares? The culprit was appointed before the plane crashed.

      I, PERSONALLY saw that day on IN “victorious” news that another Ukrainian aircraft was “landed”. Nothing else but Boeing fell that day. "News" was then deleted. I do not need other evidence.
      1. maykl8
        maykl8 10 July 2020 14: 28 New
        +7
        And I saw about an hour before the crash of an airplane at the Antiquarian Forum, where Strelkov was publishing at that time a misinformation that the IL-76 took off from an airfield in Western Ukraine and headed for Donbass, but there was no airplane in real life. But the MH-17 was on schedule.
      2. KCA
        KCA 10 July 2020 14: 37 New
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        We have a witness, but we won’t show it to you, the reinforced concrete arguments of high-likly got to VO, here you have a wonderful memory, remember articles for 2014, I would like that, can you remember it literally?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 10 July 2020 15: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: KCA
          We have a witness, but we won’t show it to you, the reinforced concrete arguments of high-likly got to VO, here you have a wonderful memory, remember the articles for 2014

          It is doubtful that anyone remembers what was on the site in 2014.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 July 2020 18: 35 New
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            "It is very doubtful that someone remembers what was on the site in 2014" ////
            -----
            TASS remembers. Here is a screenshot just taken:
            1. forpost
              forpost 10 July 2020 19: 56 New
              +3
              The flight of the Boeing 777-200ER board 9M-MRD took place at FL330 (10 meters). An-050 even in a nightmare will not get there, and cruising speed is more than half. Confused in any way. And also this - "According to eyewitnesses" laughing
            2. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 11 July 2020 10: 20 New
              +2
              TASS remembers ... well, what does he remember, the main thing is another lie from the territory of 404. I will explain why, the An-26 has a ceiling of up to 7 km. but this is only with fuel and without cargo, it was known that he had a gap with the cargo for landing at an altitude of 6300, in the first he would not have reached it, and secondly, the cargo would be dropped at maximum altitude so that it would not have been carried somewhere, so if and they got it just on the landing from MANPADS, just as before, from the MANPADS they had flown over the An-30 Slavyansk, which carried out reconnaissance of the area at the level of one and a half kilometers. also from the MANPADS IL-76 was shot down during the approach, so that the DNR simply didn’t have anything to do with high-altitude interceptions .. and you remember TASS ... they all remember how ukrov aviation was torn from MANPADS
      3. mister-red
        mister-red 10 July 2020 15: 23 New
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        This speaks of poor mind. This is not evidence for anyone but the poor.
        The situation could have been elementary - they found out that the plane crashed, other than Ukrainian it does not fly there, and they gave the news. And the military on the spot also rejoiced. Then they learned what exactly fell and removed everything.
        But the facts that speak completely different
        1. there is no complete recording of conversations of dispatchers
        2. no one interrogated the dispatchers
        3. Americans have not shown satellite images. From Chegoba, huh? Not. That’s what they would say.
        4. The very thought of dragging a complex across the border to smell something there is stupid. And again, where are the pictures, Zin? Americans missed both there and back? Well stupid!
        5. To rush out of one car without target designation is ten times the dumbest idea.
        Total p.3-4 says that there were complete type. I would rather call the idiots Ukrainians than Russian.
        6. Where is the data from Ukraine about the fate of the rocket with the number given by the investigators, but which was supposed to be in Ukraine? It would be something, would have been given long ago.
        Etc.
        PS Insanity is not treated. This is a diagnosis.
        1. Holgerton
          Holgerton 10 July 2020 16: 41 New
          -11
          Why do not you think that no other country has satellite imagery except the United States? For example, Russia has its own satellites, as well as the European Union. But no one is eager to show the pictures because there will be many questions what this satellite did there, no one wants to reveal their intelligence capabilities, and there is also a banal distrust of satellite images, if they do not suit one of the parties, then the respectively displeased side will refuse recognize them and call them fake, and then the sense in their display will be “zero”. This is especially true after allegedly "reliable" satellite images of the Ukrainian Su-25 and MiG-29 near the Boeing 777, which subsequently turned out to be fake and all immediately disowned them, and there was so much noise ...
          Therefore, not seeing any confident prospects that the pictures will really have at least any value in this dispute, neither side is in a hurry to reveal the capabilities of its reconnaissance equipment, which will depreciate all efforts to maintain secrecy about the equipment for billions of dollars.
          1. mister-red
            mister-red 10 July 2020 22: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: Holgerton
            Why do not you think that no other country has satellite imagery except the United States? For example, Russia has its own satellites, as well as the European Union.

            This is called wishful thinking. Russia does not have many satellites, many times less than the United States. The EU also has. Therefore, the first is the United States. And secondly, because the then Vice President of the United States, no one pulled his tongue when he said that in 3 days the United States will be presented with pictures. Further inferences are your fantasies no more.
            1. Holgerton
              Holgerton 10 July 2020 22: 52 New
              -3
              At the moment, only you give the wish for the reality, because the matter is not in the number of satellites, reconnaissance satellites, especially photo reconnaissance, have the ability to correct their orbits. At the time of the downfall, quite active hostilities were already going on, can it not be that Russia has never even monitored the situation at its borders with the same satellites of sensing the earth's surface or strategic photo intelligence? Do not dishonor the General Staff of the Russian Federation.
              The same Germans and French have their pictures, but they are often cited as an example of those who are really interested in determining the truth and are ready to "merge" Ukraine, but even without them, your "first" does not work.
              And secondly, since the then vice president didn’t keep his promise, why not just take Russia and show off his pictures, which immediately show who is responsible for this tragedy, or there’s a catch that You forgot?
              Further conclusions are your fantasies no more.
              1. mister-red
                mister-red 12 July 2020 21: 11 New
                -1
                Quote: Holgerton
                The same Germans and French have their pictures, but they are often cited as an example of those who are really interested in determining the truth and are ready to "merge" Ukraine, but even without them, your "first" does not work.

                Can I link to pictures of Europeans?

                Quote: Holgerton
                And secondly, since the then vice president didn’t keep his promise, why not just take Russia and show off his pictures, which immediately show who is responsible for this tragedy, or there’s a catch that You forgot?


                By the way, I thought about it. And my opinion is that it was so important for Russia to keep satellites there. Actually, why and why? What could they show and how to help?
                Not if there are many satellites, why not. But there are few of them.

                But "the American constellation of satellites has over a thousand spacecraft and is therefore comparable in size to the constellation of satellites of all other states.

                And it is for the United States that this region is very important, because it would be very nice to have satellite images of the "invasion" of Russian troops. But they are not, as there are no pictures during the crash.

                In the debate, you ... are not strong, sir. Do not torture the keyboard.
                And read some book on this topic. In any living debate you would be ridiculed.
                1. Holgerton
                  Holgerton 12 July 2020 23: 13 New
                  -1
                  I did not see a single argument in favor of the fact that I was wrong about the satellites. And the arguments for the likeness:
                  And my opinion is that it was so important for Russia to keep satellites there. Actually, why and why? What could they show and how to help?

                  well, they’re completely unconvincing, ala, “Ukraine is a zone of strategic interests of Russia, and in general it is originally Russian, etc., etc., but we won’t monitor it at all simply because there aren’t even satellites, for such a grandiose shooter, a reason for which has not been the last 5-7 years. "
                  And it is for the United States that this region is very important, because it would be very nice to have satellite images of the "invasion" of Russian troops. But they are not, as there are no pictures during the crash.

                  You have just demonstrated your ignorance of the topic. At least simply because both the United States and NATO have repeatedly stated "the crossing of military equipment columns across the border from Russia to Ukraine" and 100500 attached pictures are googled elementarily.
                  But "the American constellation of satellites has over a thousand spacecraft and is therefore comparable in size to the constellation of satellites of all other states.

                  For important optical reconnaissance, and according to your words “this region is very important for the United States,” US intelligence uses KH (Key Hole) satellites, and their grouping is much smaller than devices, according to various sources, from 30 to 50 satellites.
                  In the debate, you ... are not strong, sir. Do not torture the keyboard.
                  And read some book on this topic. In any living debate you would be ridiculed.

                  In a polemic, alas, Milsdar, I am not strong. You had to torment the keyboard for two days in order to release your long-awaited answer.
                  In any living thing, I would certainly be ridiculed)) but, alas and ah, the irony, the merciless bitch you are telling me about this to a person who took two days and two nights, to this sim. hi
                  1. mister-red
                    mister-red 13 July 2020 00: 47 New
                    -1
                    You have just demonstrated your ignorance of the topic. At least simply because both the United States and NATO have repeatedly stated "the crossing of military equipment columns across the border from Russia to Ukraine" and 100500 attached pictures are googled elementarily.

                    Listen, I'm with you as an adult, and you are like a first-grader. I wrote about the pictures of the invasion of troops, and you tell me about the technique. These are different things. Yes supply something. And not only quilted jackets. So what? Where are the pictures of the Russian Armed Forces?
                    If this is not so, why the OSCE does not see them point blank in Donbss.

                    alas and ah, the irony, you merciless bitch, verbally tells me about this man who took two days and two nights,

                    I’m building a house, in the evenings I don’t always have the strength to sit still at a computer. I still worked today, Sunday, until the evening.

                    Do not write more, I will not answer.
        2. evgenii67
          evgenii67 10 July 2020 18: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: mister-red
          But the facts that speak completely different
          1. there is no complete recording of conversations of dispatchers
          2. no one interrogated the dispatchers
          3. Americans have not shown satellite images. From Chegoba, huh? Not. That’s what they would say.
          4. The very thought of dragging a complex across the border to smell something there is stupid. And again, where are the pictures, Zin? Americans missed both there and back? Well stupid!
          5. To rush out of one car without target designation is ten times the dumbest idea.
          Total p.3-4 says that there were complete type. I would rather call the idiots Ukrainians than Russian.
          6. Where is the data from Ukraine about the fate of the rocket with the number given by the investigators, but which was supposed to be in Ukraine? It would be something, would have been given long ago.

          As always, there are more questions than answers, but the stubborn ones "have iron proof" in the form of news release. Those. everyone knows that all the media often lie, but for the sake of sensation they present information without checking it.
          1. Avior
            Avior 11 July 2020 10: 55 New
            -5
            If the media lie in such matters in concert, then there should automatically be an official investigation into the circumstances of this lie in the media. And on much smaller occasions, things open. And here is a high-profile case, in fact, a confession of mass murder, and the investigation into the circumstances of 6 years has not been torn off.
      4. Holgerton
        Holgerton 10 July 2020 16: 14 New
        -6
        The news was not only in VO, it reached even Channel One, if I remember correctly, and after the news about the downed Boeing 777 it immediately evaporated, only now you can still find the saved screenshots and videos, the question arises - why did everyone need it abruptly change shoes
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 10 July 2020 20: 29 New
          +6
          Quote: Holgerton
          the question arises - why did everyone need to change their shoes sharply?

          Then, that the case, in the framework of the “designated terpils,” goes into the category of hopeless, and the real customer of the destruction of the aircraft, in the person of “Obamo-Clintonoids,” has been out of work for almost four years. The current administration in the White House is clearly in trouble without Ukraine, which, moreover, the American chieftain strongly dislikes for playing against him in favor of Hilary and was tied up with Biden, which can be controlled in the upcoming elections and using the Boeing business. If the "independent court decides" so that it is the Ukrainian side, which Biden supported by wiping his pants in Kuev, that was involved in the plane crash, then as an electoral competitor, he will not compete at all. No matter how, it was he who oversaw this territory and the entire shobla, who seized power in Ukraine. Closer to November, much more interesting information will probably come to light in this case, unless the “main democrats” win back the compensation.
          1. Holgerton
            Holgerton 10 July 2020 21: 46 New
            -1
            Well, in your place on Trump, I would not have taken such power, in itself, even with the support of his party, he can do little.
            This is our president, this is more of a "controlling" position, while in the US it is more of a "controlled" position. And something tells me that it’s not just that the Pentagon went so much east (right up to the borders of Russia) that some ordinary (let's be honest, Trump is far from the most outstanding of the last US presidents) temporary “jacket” just took canceled all their plans a second coming should happen.
            For big fish like Trump (especially such as Trump) there is always the State Department and a couple of interested giants of the American military-industrial complex. Although Trump demonstrates support for the American military industry, recently his decisions have less and less correlated with the interests of the military and the military industrial complex, especially if, as you say, it is about giving up Ukraine, then for such a decision he could inadvertently repeat Kennedy’s fate, since you will agree that if Ukraine is not with the United States, then with Russia, the political course will be friendly to Russia, and therefore the purchase of weapons in the long term will be carried out by the Russian defense industry (or Chinese, which is more likely).
            But even so, if Trump is ready to “sacrifice” Ukraine, then STRATCOM is not ready, the good old allies from Western Europe began to greet more and more, and the new ones from Eastern and Northern Europe have either not yet gained strength or have not undergone modernization. And Ukraine is very helpful, at least because of geography, and as a buffer, and as a bridgehead, and access to the sea.
            In general, what am I referring to, I am not the first to say this, but without Ukraine and to a lesser extent without Belarus, Russia does not have the required economic stability. It has sufficient stability to prevent stagnation, but not for the planned development in the medium term. Without these two countries, Russia does not have the two most “logical” zones of influence and natural markets. Despite the fact that Ukraine has a potential that for the United States will be stretched over time, but for Russia, on the contrary, it will help in terms of economic efficiency. This is essentially one of those post-Soviet countries, which, with competent cooperation, can bring more benefits to Russia itself, unlike Belarus, which, on the contrary, is the main beneficiary in bilateral relations.
            Consequently, as long as STRATCOM decided to hack off with China, it needs to slow down Russia, and what could be better than depriving it of its main potential ally right at hand, and even with its removable economic ties? (China is not our ally, but rather the third wheel for the US-RF-China triangle, while India is changeable and irresponsible and does not fit in geography)
            For the Pentagon, supporting Ukraine is almost the best deal of the century, servicing it cost a year for the price of only one destroyer, which simply by its presence creates obstacles to entire sectors of the Russian Federation. And if there wouldn’t be any reinforcement of the conflict on the part of the United States, then within two or three years we would have started peace, friendship, chewing gum and mutually beneficial cooperation with Ukraine again.
            Even Trump must understand this, since he is such an ardent champion of the struggle with the Chinese Communists. Even for him, giving up Ukraine is not only an opportunity to get a second term, but also a shot in the leg, since then the third player in the person of Russia will fully return to the big game.
            And so, as they say, mamo, sho mamo. With the rest of your statements in court and in Biden, I agree.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 11 July 2020 10: 11 New
              +1
              In principle, you did not badly describe the interests of the United States in Ukraine, but there is one thing ..., namely, that these interests are obvious to Russia, and therefore the tasks of seizing the Crimea and organizing a resistance zone on the territory of LDNR were timely solved, which is clearly confused the US plans. Given that Ukraine is a truly anti-Russian product, it can be assumed that usually the traditional guarantor of the integrity and economic stability of Ukraine, Russia today is clearly not interested in maintaining this very integrity and stability, and therefore work will be carried out aimed at the collapse of this non-state, which in turn will increase US costs for the continuation of its anti-Russian Ukrainian project. When the mattresses climbed into Ukraine, they wanted to get everything “non-stop” and clearly did not expect active opposition from Russia. In addition, it becomes more difficult for the United States to play long in this direction. in contrast to what happened 6 years ago, mattresses had graters with China, which, as an adversary and an economic competitor, is in the category of primary goals for weakening than Ukraine and Russia.
      5. Serg koma
        Serg koma 10 July 2020 16: 16 New
        +7
        Quote: Normal ok
        I, PERSONALLY saw that day on VO "victory" news

        And I remember the statement pi_N-doSii - "irrefutable evidence" immediately after the crash. Where are they? Why do not six years show for a compelling "denunciation of the evil Russia", but only impose sanctions? Maybe Hollywood refused the proposed scenario, and besides the "funny pictures" and cartoons there are no "one hundred percent proofs"? And as the version:
        There is evidence, and they lie under the cloth, because dill tried to bring down, and publish their pin_do_ will become more expensive for myself. So, after a few years, only a limited circle of people (probably not "narrow" specialists) are brought to court some kind of misinformation that can be easily exposed at public review.
      6. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 10 July 2020 16: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Normal ok
        I, PERSONALLY saw that day on VO "victorious" news that another Ukrainian plane was "landed".

        Can I have a link?
        1. ver_
          ver_ 10 July 2020 17: 24 New
          +1
          ... then it was that over the landing strip they shot down Ahn with the paratroopers ...
      7. igor67
        igor67 10 July 2020 19: 31 New
        -3
        Quote: Normal ok
        Quote: BAI
        new facts appear, and they are not in favor of Ukraine
        Who cares? The culprit was appointed before the plane crashed.

        I, PERSONALLY saw that day on IN “victorious” news that another Ukrainian aircraft was “landed”. Nothing else but Boeing fell that day. "News" was then deleted. I do not need other evidence.

        On this day, Operation Cast Lead began in Israel, and yes, the article about the downed plane was discussed, but it was deleted.
      8. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 11 July 2020 14: 43 New
        0
        Quote: Normal ok
        I, PERSONALLY saw that day on VO "victorious" news that another Ukrainian plane was "landed".

        reference pliz hi
    4. iouris
      iouris 10 July 2020 14: 27 New
      0
      The state that will disappear will be appointed guilty.
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 10 July 2020 14: 50 New
        -4
        And on the Russian TASS (and others) there is still news from July 17, 2014 "Militiamen of the proclaimed DPR shot down the An-26 plane of the Ukrainian Air Force"
    5. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 10 July 2020 20: 11 New
      0
      It's only the beginning...
  2. nPuBaTuP
    nPuBaTuP 10 July 2020 12: 42 New
    0
    We will certainly hope for it ...... because Hope dies last .....
    1. Region68
      Region68 10 July 2020 14: 32 New
      -4
      What is hope? Babkin?
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 10 July 2020 18: 36 New
        +6
        I, PERSONALLY saw that day on VO "victorious" news that the next Ukrainian plane was "landed". Nothing else but Boeing fell that day. "News" was then deleted. I do not need other evidence.

        Yes, there was such “news” in the media, and indeed it was later cleaned up. And it is precisely on this that, in general, 100% confidence of the Western media and judges that the militias shot down the plane is based. In evidence, records of telephone and radio conversations of militia commanders are given in which they discuss a downed plane. Indeed, there are such records. They are on youtube (at least there were). However, in these recordings, someone is simply interested in the fact that there he “fell” and burns, and in response, in a cheerful voice, they say that they overwhelmed yet another dill. However, the person who says this so confidently didn’t really know what exactly had fallen and wishful thinking — on the wave of euphoria about the overwhelmed previous Ukrainian side. I just thought what else could fall there, except for another dill aircraft. Unfortunately, this is now replicated as some kind of 100% proof of the involvement of militias in the downed board. In addition, as evidence of the presence of militia means of destruction of aircraft at altitudes of more than 5000 meters, the case of the downing of the Ukrainian An-26 at an altitude of supposedly 6000 meters is cited. Here, too, it is incomprehensible how and at what height, in fact, they shot him down. Some say one thing, others another. But the proof that the BUK of the militias has nothing to do with it is the so-called rocket, which everyone presents as the main material evidence — absolutely intact and even not at all deformed, which simply cannot be when falling from a height of 10000 meters.
      2. iouris
        iouris 10 July 2020 20: 13 New
        0
        Quote: Region68
        What is hope? Babkin?

        Krupskaya!
  3. cniza
    cniza 10 July 2020 12: 43 New
    15
    According to Chinese journalists, based on a survey of eyewitnesses, the crash could have occurred as a result of the operation of the Security Service of Ukraine.


    These are performers, and organizers overseas ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 July 2020 14: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: cniza
      These are performers, and organizers overseas ..

      The organizers are not fools to do dirty things with their own hands.
  4. Courier
    Courier 10 July 2020 12: 51 New
    +2
    The Almaz-Antey report also says that the Boeing was hit by a Buk, and not an air-to-air missile.
    That is, any "eyewitnesses" can be safely removed.
    1. And
      And 10 July 2020 13: 11 New
      +6
      The report claims that if The Boeing was shot down precisely by “Buk”, it could be done only from the Zaroschensky area using Buk or Buk-M1 missiles 9M38 or 9M38M1.
      1. KCA
        KCA 10 July 2020 14: 38 New
        +8
        Long withdrawn from service of the Russian Federation
        1. And
          And 10 July 2020 15: 27 New
          +2
          So.
    2. Holgerton
      Holgerton 10 July 2020 16: 19 New
      -4
      But when there were "eyewitnesses" who allegedly saw either the Su-25, or the MiG-29 shooting down the MH17, then everyone vied with each other to cite this as the main evidence. Then it turned out that the pictures were fake and even Ernst from the First channel of the fool turned on.
  5. Karaul73
    Karaul73 10 July 2020 12: 52 New
    -10
    What are military aircraft near a downed Boeing? What nonsense! Nevertheless, it is clear that they shot down a rocket from the ground. But where they fired from is a big question. You need to deal with this thoroughly and not biased. With the involvement of as many experts as possible.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 10 July 2020 12: 59 New
      -6
      Another hype header. I’ve already "pricked up my ears", in the hope that the cover of the sacrament will open slightly, and in the article the next "planes ..", "witnesses" and "book from Malaysia" ...
      One gets the impression that we are being prepared in advance for a loss in court, what would I say later - there was a lot of evidence against it, but the court did not want to take it into account! ... But there is zero evidence so far! Well, apart from the big headlines ..
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 10 July 2020 13: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        One gets the impression that we are being prepared in advance for a loss in court, what would I say later - there was a lot of evidence against it, but the court did not want to take it into account! ... But there is zero evidence so far!

        Your keyboard / sensor is not covered, after what you called it SOMETHING - COURT belay ?...
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 10 July 2020 14: 00 New
          -6
          And the author of the article is not covered? And the TV presenters language is not taken away? Or do you personally have a complaint to me?
          1. Normal ok
            Normal ok 10 July 2020 14: 08 New
            -7
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            And the author of the article is not covered? And the TV presenters language is not taken away? Or do you personally have a complaint to me?

            Insurgent, a participant in the information war, what do you want from him?
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 11 July 2020 08: 09 New
              +3
              Quote: Normal ok
              Insurgent, - participant of the info-war

              Yes, and the Ukronazists will be its defeated victims. Any objections?
          2. Insurgent
            Insurgent 11 July 2020 08: 08 New
            +4
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Do you personally have a complaint with me?

            A simple question, not fraught with any secret background, you perceive as "a peak to you personally" ... STRANGE.
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            And the author of the article is not covered? And the TV presenters language is not taken away?

            I repeat - STRANGE... The reaction is excessively violent yes
            A question was asked personally to you about the well-being of your inanimate keyboard / sensor, and you are hiding behind the "author of the article" and the "TV presenters" ...
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 11 July 2020 08: 37 New
              -2
              But you are me with this question addressed? You did not write "why the author calls this farce a court"?
              I replied according to the article and its title. I do not do flood. But you chose me and reproached me.
              Or do you think I should get up and apologize? So they say and so, the author writes the devil knows what, but Insurgent - steps in step!
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 11 July 2020 10: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                Or do you think I should get up and apologize?

                Why ? It would be enough just not to hysteria in response ...
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                you chose me and rebuked me

                Exaggerate the importance of your comment yes , therefore, obviously, such a nervous reaction ..
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 10 July 2020 13: 07 New
      +4
      Of course, it is necessary to understand, but even simple logic helps - why would the militia need to spend one of only four missiles supposedly available to them on a letak, which snaps at an altitude of 10 km and therefore does not threaten them? What is the meaning of such an act for them? In addition, they didn’t - obviously were aware that civilian planes were actually there. And without reliable identification - I’m not pushing the button somehow.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 10 July 2020 13: 16 New
        -10
        Quote: paul3390
        In addition, they didn’t - obviously were aware that civilian planes were actually there. And without reliable identification - I’m not pushing the button somehow.

        And in Iran did not know about it?
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 10 July 2020 18: 03 New
          +5
          The Iranians flunked a low-flying plane near their military base with the threat of a momentary American strike .. There is a difference!
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 11 July 2020 01: 31 New
            0
            Such a difference is solely in the fact that Iran itself pleaded guilty. Otherwise, you would have argued with exactly the same arguments that Iran, of course, did not shoot anyone down.
            1. Roman_vh
              Roman_vh 11 July 2020 16: 27 New
              0
              You don’t get so nervous. Iran is an independent country; it does not need our support. Anyway, why did you bite it here? Well, Americans would have shot down a board over the Persian Gulf, it’s at least somehow similar.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 10 July 2020 13: 33 New
        +6
        Quote: paul3390
        why would the militias need to spend one of only four missiles supposedly available to them on a letak, which snaps at an altitude of 10 km and therefore -

        Despite the fact that they had only a launcher.
        How to aim a missile at a target? Attach a fly? laughing
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 10 July 2020 20: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Despite the fact that they had only a launcher.

          PU "Buk" has its own radar. With a limited field of view and range, but it has. And if next to the PU there is a person with binoculars or just good vision, then there is some kind of target designation. It is unrealistic to distinguish a Boeing from an IL or AN in such conditions.
          But the Boeing there should not have finally been, from the word "completely." How and why Ukrainian dispatchers drove him away from the civilian corridor and even above the combat zone, this is a question that was not, is not, and most likely there will be no answer.
          1. Roman_vh
            Roman_vh 11 July 2020 16: 32 New
            +1
            You are again for the money fish. To get from what the republics might have had, one must have an experienced crew. A pilot calculation can distinguish a civilian side, following at a level of 10 km from a transporter, vomiting even by 7mi.
          2. Mimoprohodil
            Mimoprohodil 12 July 2020 16: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            But the Boeing there should not have finally been, from the word "completely." How and why Ukrainian dispatchers led him away from the civilian corridor and exactly above the combat zone
            Boeing flew constantly along this route, even in 2013
    3. aleks26
      aleks26 10 July 2020 13: 25 New
      +7
      Quote: Sentry73
      Nevertheless, it is clear that they shot down a rocket from the ground. But where they fired from is a big question.

      That day was clear weather, visibility million in a million. ZR Beech leaves behind a thick, dark smoky trail. The area where all this happened is densely populated. But NOBODY saw a trace of a rocket !!! 10 kilometer, almost vertical, smoky trail !!! Was there a rocket at all?
      1. ender
        ender 10 July 2020 15: 59 New
        +1
        thick, dark smoky trail

        [media=blob:https://www.youtube.com/ec56b2ea-a06a-4708-9081-575bf0aac790]

        1. aleks26
          aleks26 10 July 2020 16: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: ender
          thick, dark smoky trail

          So what? Nobody noticed this "beauty"? Is everyone suddenly blinded? There the villages are poked every 30-40km. In the Urals, the comet fell, so a day later the whole YouTube was littered with photo / video materials from auto-recorders. And here not a googo.
          1. ender
            ender 10 July 2020 16: 48 New
            +2
            still see the dark trail?

            and yes, all this "beauty" will fly away quickly enough

          2. ender
            ender 10 July 2020 16: 59 New
            +1
            and to the question - "clear weather, visibility million in a million."

            This video was shot right after the fall.



            Dense clouds clearly visible?
            1. aleks26
              aleks26 10 July 2020 17: 19 New
              -1
              Quote: ender
              Dense clouds clearly visible?

              Yes, against such a background is even more noticeable. And cloud cover at an altitude of 3-4 km. So the first 2000-4000 meters of flight of the Buk missile should have been perfectly visible. Well, the wind wasn’t hurricane. So 1-2 minutes. by anyone it would be visible, even VERY short-sighted and cross-eyed.
        2. aleks26
          aleks26 10 July 2020 16: 53 New
          0

          Well, even if it’s not dark, it’s impossible not to notice this!
          1. aleks26
            aleks26 10 July 2020 17: 00 New
            0
            In the Urals, when the comet fell, the very next day the entire Internet was littered with photo / video materials from auto-recorders. And here, or Ukrainians do not use them? Was everyone blind?
            1. ender
              ender 10 July 2020 17: 03 New
              0
              In the Urals, when the comet fell, the very next day the entire Internet was littered with photos / videos


              you will live in the war zone for a week or two - you will understand the difference
            2. military_cat
              military_cat 11 July 2020 01: 07 New
              +1
              At the trial, the investigating team showed photos of the smoky trail that the witness gave her in RAW file format from the camera and the camera itself for examination. But you still say that this is Photoshop, right?
    4. KCA
      KCA 10 July 2020 14: 40 New
      +4
      And where is it written that shot down the plane? The option that the plane flew in that area and suddenly received an order to return to the base, so that not to fall under the rocket is fantastic and not real?
    5. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 10 July 2020 14: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Sentry73
      Nevertheless, it is clear that they shot down a rocket from the ground.


      Nothing is clear there ..
    6. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 July 2020 15: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Sentry73
      What are military aircraft near a downed Boeing? What nonsense!

      Why argue, was not. Radars both military and airport radars exist for this, also American satellites fix everything. Based on this, conclusions must be drawn. And in six years, using tongue seyaas is useless. While there is no evidence, only the statement "One woman said."
  6. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 10 July 2020 12: 56 New
    +2
    In any case, the final decision is made by the court.

    No matter how biased the court in the Netherlands

    That says it all
  7. rotfuks
    rotfuks 10 July 2020 13: 00 New
    +4
    Chinese journalists generally disagree with the findings of the investigation. . In the European media, materials also appeared about a strange coincidence. All air incidents of recent years associated with civilian airliners and air defense systems are somehow connected with Ukraine. This cannot be a coincidence. The world has long been not unipolar, and some early adopters the status of a global gendarme.
  8. Cympak
    Cympak 10 July 2020 13: 02 New
    0
    I don’t know what and where the author “smokes”, but the situation in the court on MH17 in the Netherlands is not in Russia's favor. And what they write in some media outlets is “not attached” to the results of the trial.
    I do not expect anything good from the Dutch court, “wang” that our country is waiting for new billion-dollar payments to victims, new personal sanctions and further isolation of Russia in the international field :(
  9. Alien From
    Alien From 10 July 2020 13: 12 New
    +3
    These guys are time-consuming specialists, just to strip the whitewashed, not work, merge the saloids!
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 10 July 2020 13: 16 New
    +5
    The whole article is a free summary of the author. I want specific facts and references. Because what I read, everything goes very clearly to the indictment of one side, and this is not Ukraine.
  11. NordUral
    NordUral 10 July 2020 13: 30 New
    +2
    The author of the old gossip went over.
  12. NEOZ
    NEOZ 10 July 2020 13: 36 New
    -3
    The whole world knows who shot down MH17 ...
    everything is visible on the flyradar!
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 10 July 2020 14: 51 New
      +2
      Only here who was sitting watched the flyradar for a long time not seen and not heard. As well as Ukrainian dispatchers. Fascists from the Yankees cleared all tails.
      1. Avior
        Avior 11 July 2020 11: 07 New
        -1
        Come here
        https://flightradars24.ru/flightradar24/
        Now the SBU will clean you up too, you also watched the flyradar.
        How can I write without understanding what I mean?
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 13 July 2020 11: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Avior
          Now the SBU will clean you up too, you also watched the flyradar.

          )))))))))))))))))))))))
          Quote: Avior
          How can I write without understanding what I mean?

          this is Mishgan, he can !!!!
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 10 July 2020 13: 46 New
    0
    All this is strange .... maybe the bamboo ended at the “court”, but they didn’t bring a new one, so the “judges” got angry at the “supplying” ones, the moment of enlightenment came, and then all the circumstances of the court are not so obvious to them ??? Nothing, soon a fresh "bamboo" ride and then !!!!! watch out!
  14. AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 10 July 2020 13: 49 New
    +1
    MH-17 was shot down by someone who was interested. And there is only one beneficiary - Ukraine.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 10 July 2020 14: 41 New
      0
      And the United States undoubtedly ...
    2. ender
      ender 10 July 2020 16: 03 New
      -3
      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      MH-17 was shot down by someone who was interested.



      and Iran, therefore, was profitable to bring down the UIA Boeing. interesting opinion ..
      1. iouris
        iouris 10 July 2020 20: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: ender
        and Iran, therefore, was profitable to bring down the Boeing UIA

        Iran was expecting a retaliatory strike by the United States, all were platooned. There is the stupidity of the commander of the aircraft, who, despite the situation, decided to fly, and the error of the operator, who reacted with the spinal cord.
        1. ender
          ender 10 July 2020 20: 33 New
          -1
          yes, and we know about this only because Iran has pleaded guilty. Otherwise, the argument would be exactly the same
          1. iouris
            iouris 10 July 2020 20: 37 New
            +1
            Iran admitted that its air defense was shot down by a plane, and guilt and political responsibility are completely different. States destroyed an important Iranian statesman and war was expected.
            1. ender
              ender 10 July 2020 20: 59 New
              0
              everyone should be responsible for what they have done. and refer to the machinations of enemies - no big mind
          2. Roman_vh
            Roman_vh 11 July 2020 16: 40 New
            +1
            Go past. What are you all Iran teasing. You have been told more than once that these are, after all, two big differences.
            1. ender
              ender 11 July 2020 17: 09 New
              -1
              two big differences.


              but how. not otherwise it is not Russian experts from the first minutes that they started broadcasting about the "Malaysian Boeing scenario"


        2. Avior
          Avior 11 July 2020 11: 04 New
          -1
          FAC is not alive, does not mean that you can write nasty things about him.
          The airport is open, everyone is flying, but the IRGC did not report to him about its plans to fight the USA in details.
  15. Normal ok
    Normal ok 10 July 2020 14: 06 New
    -11
    What nonsense. It is enough to read any foreign media to understand - this is a fake.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 10 July 2020 18: 51 New
      +1
      It is enough to look at any Western media to understand that this is fakeosmi.
  16. Karaul73
    Karaul73 10 July 2020 14: 24 New
    -3
    Quote: paul3390
    Of course, it is necessary to understand, but even simple logic helps - why would the militia need to spend one of only four missiles supposedly available to them on a letak, which snaps at an altitude of 10 km and therefore does not threaten them? What is the meaning of such an act for them? In addition, they didn’t - obviously were aware that civilian planes were actually there. And without reliable identification - I’m not pushing the button somehow.

    And if they just framed the board? They threw off that a military transporter or a scout was flying. And then they fanned this.
    1. Region68
      Region68 10 July 2020 15: 12 New
      -2
      Who should they like?
  17. muham
    muham 10 July 2020 14: 41 New
    -1
    So, one of the eyewitnesses said that just before the crash he watched as a military aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force suddenly changed course.
    This yeah, this of course, the unheard-of behavior of a military aircraft - suddenly changed course, what’s going on with the companions?
    1. Avior
      Avior 11 July 2020 11: 01 New
      -2
      Russian radar data confirmed that this plane was not there
  18. paco.soto
    paco.soto 10 July 2020 14: 45 New
    +2
    Maybe someone is interested in a Russian-language notarized exact review of the trial - I can share the address of the resource.
    1. Avior
      Avior 11 July 2020 11: 00 New
      -2
      What does this mean?
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 14 July 2020 21: 24 New
        -5
        Quote: Avior
        What does this mean?

        legal comments.
        Although all this depends on the point of view.
        PS Two minuses for the question ...
        Once again, confirmation that minus is solely for Nick / emotions but not at all for the essence, logic, and even facts ..
        why do we need these emotional "likes" if the resource positions itself as a military review, and not as an entertainment portal ..
        Good comments on the case are most often flawed.
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 July 2020 21: 50 New
          -1
          there are a couple of minus signers who constantly minus me so that I don't write
          they affect the overall rating slightly.
          I am a supporter of the fact that the amount of opportunity to put minuses and pluses is limited, say, no more than five per day.
  19. Vestovoi
    Vestovoi 10 July 2020 14: 45 New
    -2
    As I understand the United States, they are waiting for a convenient moment to dump the terrible truth about this provocation against Russia!
  20. 123456789
    123456789 10 July 2020 14: 52 New
    +1
    Against this background, Ukraine is trying to urgently rectify the situation. So, in early July 2020, the SBU announced the detention in Kiev of a citizen who may be involved in a plane crash in the Donbass. This man, according to Ukrainian counterintelligence agents, managed an agent network that planned a number of terrorist acts and sabotage in Ukraine, and in 2014-2020. served as one of the curators of the Donetsk militia through the GRU (Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces). The office of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine announced that the intelligence department of the DPR military department was allegedly involved in organizing the plane crash.

    You said - I believed, you repeated - I doubted, you began to insist and I realized that you were lying.
    Chinese wisdom.
  21. fider
    fider 10 July 2020 14: 55 New
    +1
    Whoever knocks down - it is necessary to establish the truth.
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 July 2020 20: 18 New
      0
      Quote: fider
      it is necessary to establish the truth.

      "Jumping on one leg and aiming the other leg in the leg, Berlaga mistily explained:
      “I did this not in the interests of truth, but in the interests of truth.” (Golden Calf)
  22. Andrea
    Andrea 10 July 2020 14: 59 New
    +3
    Non-closure of airspace is the root cause, everything else is a natural consequence.
    The cart must be behind the horse!
    From the point of view of international law, you can protect your security in any way, so the cart must be put in place.
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 July 2020 20: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrea
      Non-closure of airspace is the root cause

      The root cause is the coup in Kiev and the civil war. If even deeper, the root cause is the desire of the United States and Germany to finally put an end to the “Putin regime”.
      1. Tuzik
        Tuzik 10 July 2020 20: 38 New
        0
        Yanyk’s greed, arrogance and stupidity also do not forget.
  23. Gato
    Gato 10 July 2020 15: 00 New
    +3
    Waiting for new films of Derkach. About sabotage in the Crimea is already there, about MH17 can also be?
  24. Karaul73
    Karaul73 10 July 2020 16: 00 New
    -1
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    Quote: Sentry73
    Nevertheless, it is clear that they shot down a rocket from the ground.


    Nothing is clear there ..

    It’s clear to the specialists of Almaz Antey, but you don’t. I trust them more.
    1. paco.soto
      paco.soto 10 July 2020 16: 56 New
      -1
      It’s clear to the specialists of Almaz Antey, but you don’t. I trust them more. ©
      The “political instrumental minimum” familiar with all his voice: trust the party’s line and only then “move to the southern garrison”
  25. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 10 July 2020 16: 28 New
    0
    Court in the case of MH17: new facts appear, and they are not in favor of Ukraine

    I don’t know what fact nudes appeared there ...
    Netherlands authorities to sue Russia in ECHR over MH17
    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/07/2020/5f085cce9a7947976589f567?from=from_main_3
    1. impostor
      impostor 10 July 2020 18: 49 New
      +1
      In this case, the addicts will have to prove that human rights have been violated on the territory of Russia, and this, I'm afraid, the Khokhs will not like very much
      1. Tuzik
        Tuzik 10 July 2020 20: 26 New
        0
        And what's so complicated? Just add the word occupied to the territories
        1. impostor
          impostor 10 July 2020 20: 53 New
          0
          If to add this word was as simple as two fingers on the asphalt, then Petroshenko would not shake the colander from the UN rostrum
  26. igor67
    igor67 10 July 2020 19: 32 New
    -3
    a strange article if today everywhere other news is being discussed the Justice Ministry responded to the plans of the Netherlands to file a lawsuit against Russia because of MH17
    The Justice Ministry said that before accepting the Dutch complaint for consideration, the ECHR would have to assess its acceptability with the participation of the parties, and this could take several years

    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/07/2020/5f0885b49a7947ae589fbab6
    1. Avior
      Avior 11 July 2020 10: 58 New
      -1
      Usually ECHR for such cases expedited procedure
  27. Cop
    Cop 10 July 2020 19: 40 New
    +1
    Listen to the author, I understand that you most likely paid for this article. Well, if you took the money, then approach writing the article responsibly. Sound really new circumstances. And then
    Ultimately, a court in the Netherlands agreed to consider the arguments of Almaz-Antey, which could confirm the non-involvement of Russia, the DPR and the LPR in the tragedy.
    Is this a new circumstance? This is an ordinary judicial procedure. Or that
    ..... On August 31, the court also plans to discuss the important issue of damages to the relatives of those killed in the flight Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur.
    Is this also a new circumstance? In my opinion, always during litigation, someone is trying to get compensation from someone. But this ...
    .... announce the decision on the requirements of the prosecutor's office in defense of Oleg Pulatov
    What are the requirements ...? Call his "accomplices" in court? And this is generally a masterpiece
    ... influenced by evidence and public opinion ...
    You want to say that .... public opinion can influence a court decision? Well then, this is for the court then ... Please, next time, take a more responsible approach to writing articles .....
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 14 July 2020 21: 30 New
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      Quote: Cop
      Next time, please take a more responsible approach to writing articles .....

      judging by the name, he could not accordingly approach the article. He had another task.
      Information noise / war. And he did not say anything new.
      Yes, and savvy legally bad. And did not even consult. Didn't even make a request.
      In general, more noise than war. There are too few arguments, but creating a wave is enough. The main consolidation of the effect "The court is unfair. We do not recognize it, Ukraine is to blame."
      Too politicized topic, to trust that Russian articles that Ukrainian ..
      And international ones are more often used for their own purposes. There are very few neutral ones.
  28. harpsichord
    harpsichord 10 July 2020 23: 28 New
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    The court in the Netherlands is not one of the "most humane courts in the world." Therefore, it will figure it out. Well, we all unfortunately already know the truth.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezJ8kYzXe-I
  29. harpsichord
    harpsichord 10 July 2020 23: 35 New
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    By the way, in fact
    https://topwar.ru/172960-sud-po-delu-mn17-pojavljajutsja-novye-obstojatelstva-i-oni-ne-v-polzu-ukrainy.html
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Kpysnvw1Y
  30. paco.soto
    paco.soto 11 July 2020 00: 35 New
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    Kak, to continue the topic: French nightly news on TV says that the Netherlands filed a lawsuit in the main European court and the UN against Russia
    So far I have found only this:
    https://www.government.nl/latest/news/2020/07/10/the-netherlands-brings-mh17-case-against-russia-before-european-court-of-human-rights
    1. Avior
      Avior 11 July 2020 10: 57 New
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      Relatives of those killed against Russia long ago sued for obstructing an investigation
      Perhaps this is what they write about this business.
      1. paco.soto
        paco.soto 11 July 2020 12: 35 New
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        This is another lawsuit - state. It is not clear why in six years.
        1. Avior
          Avior 11 July 2020 13: 03 New
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          Perhaps they did not want to shine some facts before the trial
  31. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 11 July 2020 04: 58 New
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    As soon as they begin to "secret", then things are bad! but the regional committee command must be carried out. Time! -will "pull" it for another 10 years then the verdict of the perpetrators could not be established. For our lawyers, the killer version - why did the plane over the war zone!? the rest is just consequences.