LDNR: instead of ideology - a circus for budget money

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We are not guilty ...


In June, "Military Review" wrote about how the director of the Lugansk secondary school No. 8 Lyudmila Bryantseva designed her Facebook account in a frame with the inscription in Ukrainian, "Dyakoy Mom!" and distinct symbols of the Russophobic and nationalist party “Ukrainian Galician Party”. Has Bryantsev been dismissed and have any sanctions been applied to her? This will become known at the beginning of the new school year. But now it’s already clear that local “public men” are doing their best to disown Bryantseva, claiming that the whole school director could work independently, not being a member of the structure, membership in which is mandatory for all civil servants and state employees.

Soon after the publication, the Lugansk functionaries of the public movement “Peace of the Luhansk Region” disseminated information that Lyudmila Bryantseva allegedly was not a member of the OD. As if this completely invalidates the support of Ukrainian nationalism by the headmaster! The attempt to clean the ranks in hindsight is logical and understandable, however, in this situation, obviously did not play into the hands of those who tried to whitewash the movement.



The whole thing is that working in a position, much less a managerial one, and not being a member of the Mir Mir Luhansk Oblast OD (in the case of the DPR, the Donetsk Republic OD) is practically impossible. There are isolated cases, but almost 100% we are talking about a trivial bribe or the presence of connections among senior officials in the government or in the leadership of the movement itself. That is, claiming that the disgraced headmistress Lyudmila Bryantseva was not a member of the organization, in which all budget employees and managers are without exception, representatives of the social movement once again set themselves up.

Hooray CPSU!


By themselves, the social movements of the LPR and the DPR are an attempt to replace thoughtful ideology with loud slogans and circumvent the semantic lacunae dictated by the Minsk agreements and the realities of the difficult situation in the republics. In principle, no one began to reinvent the wheel, but something was created that resembles the ever-memorable Party of Regions, which, if scratched, can easily be compared with the CPSU.

“Peace to the Luhansk region” and “Donetsk Republic” are also obligatory for all those working on the republican kosht, they are also engaged mainly in meaningless cultural events and aimless boltology, hold endless rallies and are absolutely sterile in terms of ideology or just some kind of socially useful activity, not counting rare insights when local activists are doing something really useful: they help veterans, look after memorials, etc.

The very case when, instead of promoting the formation and development of civil society, officials took the path of least resistance, giving rise to a still-born ersatz, which, unfortunately, causes the majority of the population to be rejected and perplexed. Why spend budget money on this if the treasury is already empty?

Strange people


Formalism, empty budget consumption and other shortcomings traditional for such structures are quite understandable and even a little excusable, given the situation. Another is unforgivable: in the ranks of these organizations there are a lot of incomprehensible people whose loyalty to the republics is very doubtful. Moreover, the headmaster of the school, specially or by sheer thought of honoring Ukrainian nationalists, is still not so scary. There are "frames" that are much more dangerous.

In the LPR and DPR under the auspices of social movements and on budget money, there are a number of groups in social networks whose policies are clearly directed against the government of the republics and Russia. From the more or less objective “Lugansk insider” in the LPR to the completely chauvinist “For the Power is a shame” in the DPR. Moreover, the latter, eating at the expense of the republic, not only actively pours mud on LDNR and Putin, but also openly calls for the destruction of LDNR in order to “then build something better, new.”

A reasonable question arises: how much longer will all these strange people and organizations uniting them smoke the skies of the republics? Is there really nothing more to spend the available funds on? And will not these social movements be a refuge for the enemies of the republics and Russia? Won't they, radiating false patriotism, harm as much as possible, working for the good of Ukraine?
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  1. +16
    10 July 2020 15: 08
    draining at all levels .. The Russian authorities have repeatedly declared the territorial integrity of Ukraine. The local elite is already adapting to Ukraine. And ordinary people are thrown into the furnace of war and uncertainty. "Russian Spring" died quietly.
    1. +11
      10 July 2020 15: 17
      Ideology and AO MMM incompatible things .. what kind of pop, such and coming
      1. +4
        10 July 2020 15: 21
        Quote: lonely
        ..which pop, such a parish

        request
        Such is life, loot rules the world
        1. +4
          10 July 2020 15: 31
          This is the trouble, that Russia does not express a clear position on LDNR, in any case specifically. According to the Minsk agreements, this is the territory of Ukraine, judging by the position of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, and the people of LDNR clearly do not think so.
          1. 0
            10 July 2020 15: 37
            Russia is always very clear on Ukraine. A coup d'etat took place there. LDNR is a part of Ukraine. Minsk agreements.
          2. +3
            10 July 2020 15: 37
            Quote: AlexGa
            Russia does not express a clear position on LDNR

            why? Both GDP and Peskov have repeatedly declared the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

            Quote: AlexGa
            and the people of LDNR definitely do not think so.

            and who is the people listening and where? No more than 200 thousand Russian passports have been received! What is this talking about? People do not see prospects and do not believe anyone.
            1. +3
              10 July 2020 15: 47
              With such things, it will all end in great blood.
            2. 0
              11 July 2020 12: 33
              Quote: Silvestr
              Both GDP and Peskov have repeatedly declared the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

              Are you small? What were they supposed to say? Like: "Yes, we are doing everything in order to gradually take away part of Ukraine"?
    2. -7
      10 July 2020 15: 39
      The fact that you do not understand the goals of Russia in the Ukrainian direction does not mean that there is some sort of discharge there.
      1. +5
        10 July 2020 15: 48
        Quote: codetalker
        The fact that you do not understand the goals of Russia in the Ukrainian direction does not mean that there is some sort of discharge there.

        so enlighten, why are you sitting here?
        1. -10
          10 July 2020 16: 13
          Ukraine (in the medium term) should be a neutral, non-aligned, democratic state. The most important tools to achieve this goal are LDN. This is the only part of Ukraine that rejected the coup in Kiev. The Minsk agreements provide the necessary respite so that LDNR can take place as management entities, which should (as the situation is ready and appropriate) take control of all of Ukraine (through military intervention, if necessary), carry out repressions of the Natsiks, and establish the state information policy etc.
          1. +3
            10 July 2020 18: 45
            Actually, I thought that Russia. as in the best traditions of the State Department, she made a buffer zone to alleviate her political situation. At the same time, Russian people remained hostage to political games. Your point of view would have a right to life if Russia had something to offer, it means something social, or even socialist, some kind of ideology acceptable to everyone, a system for distributing a social product, protecting civil rights ... And now we have everything as in America .. everyone steers the loot! And if the loot steers, then its quantity wins! In your situation, Siberia should feed Ukraine, but we do not have enough fat for ourselves!
            1. -6
              10 July 2020 19: 15
              What buffer zone?
              Indeed, we cannot offer anything ideological right now. The problem of ideological power must first be solved within Russia. How long does it take - I don’t know. In the meantime, we can offer LDNR and Ukraine physical survival.
              People in LDNR, indeed, found themselves in a difficult situation. Russia helps. Everyone must get Russian citizenship ...
          2. +1
            10 July 2020 19: 18
            What intervention? It is impossible by the forces of the People’s Liberal Democratic Party, and Russia will not help, it is trying to push it back with all its might.
            1. -5
              10 July 2020 19: 23
              Again. It is necessary to shove them back into Ukraine by force, so that the power in Kiev would pass to LDNR. Of course, the RF Armed Forces will provide this. Well, by the way, is there enough or not LDNR forces, that's another question ... Ukraine already has no army, one rabble. So perhaps Russia's help will be limited to aviation and precision missile strikes.
              1. +5
                10 July 2020 19: 28
                Why is there no army? Rabble? Pffff. You fell from the oak? Where do you live? And what are you watching? APU is pumped with equipment and dough. Everything is being repaired and modernized. 250.000 and how many? advantage 1: 5. wake up already, time to go to work.
                1. -3
                  10 July 2020 19: 33
                  You have a peculiar idea of ​​the army. You can pump and repair equipment as much as you like. There will be no sense from this if there is no discipline, training, coherence, necessary skills. All equipment in this case will quickly go to the enemy as trophies.
                  Wake up :)
                  1. +4
                    10 July 2020 19: 41
                    All this is happening. IN UKRAINE we are engaged in ARMED FORCES. Come to your senses, you are not at all in the subject.
                    1. -4
                      10 July 2020 19: 43
                      Well, why argue, time will tell.
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              2. -3
                10 July 2020 23: 06
                Quote: codetalker
                It is necessary to shove them back into Ukraine by force, so that the power in Kiev would pass to LDNR. Of course, the RF Armed Forces will provide this.

                Wow..
                All Ukrainians dream of living in the gray zone of the "Russian world" ... and will gladly greet it with flowers ...
                Force will not work. Very much advertised "this happiness"
                Nobody needs it. And the RF Armed Forces will also "love and favor". And the Kremlin does not need complete isolation. Therefore, everything will be like Wait.
                A full-scale war will not be between Ukraine and the Russian Federation. No one will give in in Europe. We have already seen the beginning. Immediately someone flies ..
                1. -2
                  10 July 2020 23: 39
                  Well, Ukrainians have two options: live in the gray zone of the Russian world, as you put it, or die out. The Kiev regime cannot lead to another. Another thing is how soon the Ukrainians will understand this. We also had many illusions in the 90s ... and they didn’t go away in one day. But our goals in Ukraine are not limited in time. We can wait. When the time is right, people will perceive LDNR as liberators (and, together with them, the RF Armed Forces).
                  And the Kremlin cannot be isolated by anyone; it supplies half the world with natural resources.
                  1. +3
                    11 July 2020 15: 42
                    1. With the powder of the LDNR troops and Russia, part of the population would have met. (15-30%), the rest are not.
                    2. The ugly and naive romanticism of the 14th year has passed for many, and under Ze there are already many who do not accept hostilities and captures on either one or the other side. Everyone wants peace.
                    3. The Kremlin is isolated by restricting the supply of technology and equipment. The resources needed must still be effectively extracted and processed.
                    1. -4
                      11 July 2020 16: 12
                      Nothing, they will live another 10 years under the Kiev regime, they will all be 100% perceived as liberators.
                      The Kremlin cannot be isolated, as practice has shown. The rest of the world does not have a spare planet full of natural resources. You can put pressure on local elites with sanctions and threats to put pressure on the Kremlin (or even arrange a maidan). Which has been happening since 2014.
                      1. -1
                        13 July 2020 13: 10
                        They won’t. At least complete collapse will be. Bad and criminal local government is not good Russia and Putin. You at least separate cutlets and flies. Your courtiers and loyal liberals and oligarchs who have grown together with the authorities cannot bring anything good to Ukraine and everyone understands this.
                  2. -1
                    11 July 2020 19: 51
                    Quote: codetalker
                    Well, Ukrainians have two options: live in the gray zone of the Russian world, as you put it, or die out

                    i.e. options
                    To die out with the Kiev regime
                    Extend many times faster with the Russian world ..
                    As if from two evils, the lesser is obvious
                    1. -2
                      11 July 2020 20: 21
                      No, they will live in the Russian world.
                  3. +1
                    13 July 2020 13: 52
                    Well, Ukrainians have two options: live in the gray zone of the Russian world, as you put it, or die out.
                    Somehow the Balts "die out" without us .. and do not dream of returning ..))
                2. -2
                  11 July 2020 12: 38
                  Quote: Cristall
                  Immediately someone flies ..

                  What are you? And who?
                  1. -4
                    11 July 2020 19: 51
                    Yes, some presidents of unknown countries.
                    1. -1
                      13 July 2020 10: 59
                      Quote: Cristall
                      Yes, some presidents of unknown countries.

                      ))))) And what are your last names?
            2. -1
              11 July 2020 12: 38
              Quote: Steffan
              and Russia will not help, it is trying with all its might to push it back.

              How not to tell? The fact that passports of the Russian Federation? Or what arms? Or that contains money?
              1. +2
                11 July 2020 15: 45
                She is forced to give out, forced to arm and forced to contain. In the sixth year they just started, passports. Have everyone heard the conversation between Pu and Gunpowder? Is interesting rhetoric true?
                1. 0
                  13 July 2020 11: 00
                  Quote: Steffan
                  She is forced to distribute, forced to arm and forced to contain. For the sixth year, they have just begun, passports.

                  Well, yes, they force me straight.)))))
                  Quote: Steffan
                  Pu and Gunpowder have everyone heard? An interesting rhetoric, right?

                  Oh yeah. I heard. And from the gunpowder there everything is clearly visible.
          3. 0
            13 July 2020 13: 50
            This is the only part of Ukraine that rejected the coup in Kiev.
            You might think that they really rejected something there ..
            If we didn’t get in there, everything would be the same as in Kharkov ..

            although .. someone still believes in "miners" ..))
      2. 0
        11 July 2020 01: 14
        We understand the goals of government.
      3. -1
        11 July 2020 12: 35
        Quote: codetalker
        The fact that you do not understand the goals of Russia in the Ukrainian direction does not mean that there is some sort of discharge there.

        So you need to have brains to understand. And these talkers have one criticism in their head. they pseudo patriots actually do not care about LDN. Their task is to criticize everything and everyone.
    3. -2
      10 July 2020 15: 44
      Quote: Silvestr
      draining at all levels .. The Russian authorities have repeatedly declared the territorial integrity of Ukraine. The local elite is already adapting to Ukraine. And ordinary people are thrown into the furnace of war and uncertainty. "Russian Spring" died quietly.

      Maybe it's not worth judging and chopping off the shoulder according to one article and case. In every country there is an example similar to this and what is now to shout "Gone". Take, for example, such Russian characters as Efremov, Makarevich, Akhedzhakova, Grebenshchikov and others, who poured slops on Russia and its citizens, and received the 2014 coup and its "heroes" favorably. From the same opera, but we don't make a tragedy out of this, starting to understand that they need to be judged by their actions, and not by fraud.
      1. 0
        10 July 2020 15: 59
        What does one article have to do with it? This situation at all levels.
      2. 0
        13 July 2020 13: 57
        Efremov, Makarevich, Akhedzhakova, Grebenshchikov and others, who poured mud on Russia and its citizens, and received the 2014 coup and its "heroes" favorably.
        And why - was it watered by slops ?? They only called things by their proper names .. I personally, as it were, did not support the coup in Ukraine .. because it is not beneficial to our country in any way .. but purely humanly .. it was their right and business ..
        And we wouldn’t be hindered by our snickering authorities to hint at something like that .. And these my thoughts are by no means slops to Russia ..
    4. -1
      10 July 2020 15: 54
      Quote: Silvestr
      draining at all levels .. The Russian authorities have repeatedly declared the territorial integrity of Ukraine. The local elite is already adapting to Ukraine. And ordinary people are thrown into the furnace of war and uncertainty. "Russian Spring" died quietly.

      You just need to read the story well. Specifically, the period is pre-revolutionary, revolutionary and post-revolutionary. Moreover, it doesn’t matter in which country. France is Germany, Russia .... You study, go take the exam. Unless, of course, you realize that ALWAYS, EVERYWHERE, in such periods, shit floated upstairs, floating in sight, and attracting all the flies to the rally. How is Ukraine different from this? Was Simon Petliura a teacher? Well, this aphid is the director.
      1. +1
        10 July 2020 16: 19
        yes ... such as, for example, Napoleon, say Dzerzhinsky and Thomas Jefferson. Everywhere and always one shit. Will you take the exam? And then I want to check my level of knowledge ...
    5. -2
      11 July 2020 12: 31
      Quote: Silvestr
      Local elite is already adjusting

      What is an example? What is the elite?
      Quote: Silvestr
      drain at all levels

      Your next nonsense. Never been to LDNR, but there too. Pass out a passport to drain? Industry under the Russian Federation to drain? About the popular police, here, in open sources, I do not want to write. The level of your understanding is the level of the grandmother on the bench.
      1. -1
        11 July 2020 15: 48
        Shaw you grind. Local LDNR complain that they have nowhere to sell the products of their enterprises. Russian producers are not profitable. Lobby is better there.
        1. 0
          13 July 2020 11: 24
          Quote: Steffan
          Shaw you grind. Local LDNR complain that they have nowhere to sell the products of their enterprises. Russian producers are not profitable. Lobby is better there.

          Another. Also I suppose every day in LDN you drop by? Are you complaining? Are plant and mine directors on your carpet? What products can you at least clarify? What kind of lobby are you sculpting about? Whose lobby is it? What is not profitable to buy Russian manufacturers?))))))))) These manufacturers generally what? The utter nonsense is borne by the economist you are unfinished, versed in the industry as I am in ballet. Is it unprofitable from unrecognized republics to buy coking and steam coal, metal and mining equipment at a low price? Is it profitable for NLMZ to buy coking coal in Kuzbass and drive it for 3000 km, rather than in LDNR 500 km?
          Head already start to think.
        2. 0
          17 July 2020 01: 34
          Quote: Steffan
          Shaw you grind. Local LDNR complain that they have nowhere to sell the products of their enterprises

          Well, at what enterprises are products stamped in LDNR?
          and how much is it?
          They feed the whole world straight .. Three yards, two stakes. Countries, damn it, even those! )))
          Do not carry a snowstorm! Crowds for a penny work, others sit without work, others without a salary ..
          The enterprises were cut, some were taken to the Russian Federation (by the way, on those that could really be earned), the rest rotted .. Russia helped so much, everyone there is just happy from "care".
          It would be better if they didn’t touch it! Now there is nothing.
          Granary, damn it. Garbage can - all that can be said about LDNR.
          And where will they deliver products, even if they will produce something sensible? Where? Without recognition in the world? In Zimbabwe, and probably ice cream .. or something else?
          1. -1
            17 July 2020 11: 08
            So I meant that they don't want to produce anything because there is nowhere to sell, no one wants to buy.
          2. -1
            17 July 2020 11: 11
            They'll throw you cons,
            you are not politically correct about the glorious and great republics !!!
    6. 0
      16 July 2020 10: 47
      Because the capitalist ministers have long agreed on everything.
  2. +5
    10 July 2020 15: 30
    Moreover, the latter, eating at the expense of the republic, not only actively pours mud on LDNR and Putin, but also openly calls for the destruction of LDNR in order to “then build something better, new.”

    And what else to do with these territories. DNI and LC - a hopeless, depressive, gray zone, unnecessary neither Russia nor Ukraine. Well, if they were something whole, but the state border between the DPR and LPR is generally the Spanish circus, I think. And for this, thousands of people died?
    1. +3
      10 July 2020 15: 40
      Quote: Simon Schempp
      DPR and LPR - a hopeless, depressive, gray zone, unnecessary neither Russia nor Ukraine.

      a suitcase without a handle, in fact. Ukraine needs land. but without a population with their pro-Russian ideals.
      The Russian authorities do not need either one or the other is troublesome.
      1. +2
        10 July 2020 16: 24
        The Russian authorities do not need either one or the other is troublesome.
        ... Let's clarify, not to the Russian authorities, but to the Russian oligarchs, on whom the Russian government relies. Let us imagine such a picture, the LDNR became part of Russia. It is necessary to restore the economy of these regions, who will be engaged in this? Ivan Fedorovich Kruzenshtern, a man and a ship - in the sense of a state? .. Of course not. We must instruct the Russian oligarch. In order to instruct, the existing property must somehow be squeezed out, if squeezed out it is necessary to compensate, compensate from the state budget and transfer it to another. To squeeze out without compensation, not "boyishly" ... Remember when Zakharchenko announced the nationalization of enterprises? He returned everything to the ass, with the words: "I was misunderstood" and did not live long after that ... By the way, I will note recently in the LPNR they stopped killing leaders of various ranks ... And the shooting stopped after the murder of Zakharchenko ... " Coincidence? I don't think "(c) ...
        1. -2
          11 July 2020 12: 51
          Quote: parusnik
          Need to restore the economy of these areas

          What are you? And detail? KhTZ works, Yenakiyevsky marks and coke ovens work, Dongormash works, Alchevsky marks and coke ovens work, Makeevkoks works. Do you want to list further?
          Quote: parusnik
          In order to entrust, the existing property must be squeezed out somehow, if squeezed out it is necessary to compensate, compensate from the state budget and transfer it to another.

          What do you grind? To whom to compensate? If LDNR becomes part of the Russian Federation, then these plants will be privatized. But you, even sitting at your computer and half, do not know what is happening at these plants, but imagine yourself an expert and grind nonsense.
      2. -2
        10 July 2020 18: 25
        Quote: Silvestr
        a suitcase without a handle, in fact.

        Citizens who lost a suitcase?
    2. +6
      10 July 2020 15: 54
      "Unpromising, depressive, gray zone" that is, Donbass, at one time, gave 30% of Ukraine's GDP! And only an absolute dumbass and a mismanagement can consider this rich land "useless" by anyone.
      1. 0
        10 July 2020 15: 59
        Quote: Larisa Byvsheva_3
        "Unpromising, depressive, gray zone" that is, Donbass, at one time, gave 30% of Ukraine's GDP! And only an absolute dumbass and a mismanagement can consider this rich land "useless" by anyone.

        What are you talking to this boob? Away from shit, less stink, so my father taught me.
      2. 0
        10 July 2020 16: 05
        Quote: Larisa Byvsheva_3
        "Unpromising, depressive, gray zone" that is, Donbass, at one time, gave 30% of Ukraine's GDP! And only an absolute dumbass and a mismanagement can consider this rich land "useless" by anyone.

        I agree with you completely. It’s always easier for some to wave a wooden saber and draw hasty conclusions, treating oneself uncritically. But the facts speak back and the fact that Russia over the past six years has not allowed the nationalist scum and the Ukrainian armed forces, together with their political prostitutes, to destroy the population of Donbass and protect them from genocide and extermination by any means, does not only see the blind otherwise.
        1. 0
          10 July 2020 20: 31
          I mean, I didn’t? Half of the Donbass near Ukraine, people die every day
      3. -1
        10 July 2020 20: 15
        You are right, in due time. And that time has passed. Now Donbass is a hole that only absorbs resources.
      4. -4
        10 July 2020 23: 08
        Quote: Larisa Byvsheva_3
        Donbass, at one time, gave 30% of Ukraine's GDP! And only an absolute dumbass and a mismanagement can consider this rich land "useless"

        there are also the highest salaries in Ukraine.
        True in the controlled part of the Donbass (that is, in 2/3 of the regions)
        But how to manage in the regional centers to make it smaller ... you have to try it.
        Especially for the Russian Federation with its higher salaries than in Ukraine.
      5. -1
        11 July 2020 12: 52
        Quote: Larisa Byvsheva_3
        "Unpromising, depressive, gray zone" that is, Donbass, at one time, gave 30% of Ukraine's GDP! And only an absolute dumbass and a mismanagement can consider this rich land "useless" by anyone.

        And he does not even understand why there was a sharp drop in the dill economy in 2014.
    3. bar
      -2
      10 July 2020 17: 19
      You yourself quickly know what is being done. I think our leadership simply expects the formal death of the Minsk agreements, to which very little remains. Once it is ascertained, there will be recognition of the independence of the DNI / LC.
      1. -1
        11 July 2020 12: 54
        Quote: bar
        You yourself quickly know what is being done. I think our leadership simply expects the formal death of the Minsk agreements, to which very little remains. Once it is ascertained, there will be recognition of the independence of the DNI / LC.

        Finally, a good idea. We need a reason like in 2008 with Georgia.
    4. -2
      11 July 2020 12: 46
      Quote: Simon Schempp
      unnecessary neither Russia nor Ukraine.

      Russia needs it as well as other territories, but we simply cannot take and attach them yet.
      And about Ukraine. Do you even look at the LDNR industry. And if you also take the whole Donbass, do you know what the fall of the Ukrainian economy will be? Stronger than in 2014.
    5. +2
      11 July 2020 14: 09
      The state border between the LPR DPR is brought to the point of absurdity. Parents in the DNI itself in the LNR have not traveled for retirement since the spring. And the old people are helpless, you can’t send them yourself. Children also study there - you can’t send money NO !!!!
  3. -1
    10 July 2020 15: 32
    Yesterday I watched Strelkov’s interview with Karaulov. Strelkov frankly says that those who are able to bring LDNR into the bosom of Ukraine have been placed in the power of LDNR.
    1. -1
      11 July 2020 12: 55
      Quote: Silvestr
      yesterday watched an interview Strelkova Karaulov

      He accidentally forgot to tell where he got off fast in the summer, and most importantly he promised to return and did not return while we drove dill into boilers.
  4. +5
    10 July 2020 15: 42
    The problem of ideological power is very acute in Russia. In such a situation, it is strange to make claims in this regard to LDNR.
  5. +4
    10 July 2020 15: 46
    Does the experience of Hitlerite Germany suggest anything? Annexation of neighboring territories due to the fact that "ours" live there? And they, suddenly, itching to. And where is he now, this Leader?
    1. 0
      10 July 2020 16: 12
      At first there was a war. Then comes the leader who believes that the war was dishonestly lost. Then the gathering of lands begins.
    2. -1
      10 July 2020 16: 21
      Quote: L-39NG
      Does the experience of Hitlerite Germany suggest anything? Annexation of neighboring territories due to the fact that "ours" live there? And they, suddenly, itching to. And where is he now, this Leader?

      You probably know better about the annexation, since you are here so "authoritatively" talking about it. At your leisure, read the speeches of politicians and leaders of the nationalist rabble of Ukraine, who dream of getting the territory from Sana (Poland) to Don (Russia), as well as the North Caucasus and all those territories in which people from Ukraine or with Ukrainian surnames live. Did they feel it or do they call it freedom of speech?
      1. +3
        10 July 2020 18: 03
        It is rabble, you have correctly identified.
        They do not solve anything.
    3. -1
      11 July 2020 12: 57
      Quote: L-39NG
      The experience of Nazi Germany does not suggest anything?

      But the experience of Alsace and Lorraine on joining France does not tell you anything? More examples to cite?
  6. +3
    10 July 2020 16: 18
    Have merged "Russian spring" - that's all. From this you need to splash.

    I understand that in Crimea there are more Russians than in the Donbass, but it is so obvious to renounce their people ...
    1. -2
      11 July 2020 12: 58
      Quote: Boris Afinogenov
      Have merged "Russian spring" - that's all. From this you need to splash.

      Another nonsense.
      Quote: Boris Afinogenov
      I understand that in Crimea there are more Russians than in the Donbass, but it is so obvious to renounce their people ...

      Where did you see the denial?
  7. +2
    10 July 2020 16: 48
    What - were there any hopes? After the invention of the "Minsk agreements" everything was clear and obvious ... sad
  8. +1
    10 July 2020 17: 02
    Even after the hostilities, everything became clear that there would be no "Crimea".
  9. 0
    10 July 2020 17: 12
    LD / HP, - a circus divided by a border.
  10. +6
    10 July 2020 17: 29
    Not the first article. However, what did they want?

    There is a buffer zone, without ideology, with artificially created organizations listed in the article ....
    While profitable, contain, it will be unprofitable - merge.
    Here's a recent article about Poroshenko’s conversations with Putin. They communicate normally. The oligarchs trade in coal, gas, oil, titanium, and aluminum.

    And Ivana and Mykoly shoot at each other.
    1. +1
      10 July 2020 18: 04
      Not certainly in that way.
      Actually in the Donbass, it is Ivana and Kolya on both sides: ((
      1. 0
        10 July 2020 20: 19
        This is purely arbitrary, for clarity.
        If Kolya, mykoly, Nicolas ..... Everyone, everyone is driven into the trenches, so that the authorities and the profits without interference pick up ....
        1. +2
          10 July 2020 22: 06
          This is not conditional
          In fact, on both sides, the majority are Russians and Russian speakers.
          And as for the trenches being driven, so on both sides are volunteers.
          1. 0
            13 July 2020 09: 15
            Not conditionally, not conditionally ...
            And the stump is clear, volunteers .... How could it be without them ....
            But for some reason, the media paints volunteer recruits from Ukraine, and the Internet is full of news with recent military volunteer retirees, and a couple of times volunteer border guards got lost ... and somewhere in Russia elite volunteer leaders are found ....

            And not a single kid of oligarchs or officials was noticed in volunteers ...
            1. -2
              13 July 2020 09: 25
              Formally spotted
              https://www.google.com/amp/s/korrespondent.net/amp/3421209-poroshenko-moi-syn-komandyr-artylleryiskoho-podrazdelenyia-v-zone-ato
              1. 0
                13 July 2020 09: 32
                Tse is known, they wrote, under the protection of special forces away from the line ....
                1. -2
                  13 July 2020 09: 38
                  They wrote different things.
                  There are others
                  https://www.google.com/amp/amp.news.bigmir.net/ukraine/852616-Lejtenant-Poroshenko--ch-i-deti-politikov-sluzhili-v-ATO-i-skol-ko--infografika-
                  1. 0
                    13 July 2020 09: 47
                    Wah! In some pictures they are civilians.
                    But at least something. True, there is not a word about "volunteers" ... and about service and "demobilization"
  11. +3
    10 July 2020 20: 33
    "Lyudmila Bryantseva designed her Facebook account with a frame with the inscription in Ukrainian" Dyakuyu mamo! "
    And what is the problem?!. In Crimea, three languages ​​are declared. In theory, you have the right to write on anyone. And Lugansk, as I know, is not part of the Russian Federation. Moreover, as the president of Russia claims, it is an integral part of UA.
    "A reasonable question arises: how long will all these strange people and the organizations uniting them smoke the skies of the republics? Is there really nothing more to spend the available funds on? And will these social movements not turn out to be a refuge for the enemies of the republics and Russia? feigned patriotism, to harm as much as possible, working for the good of Ukraine? "
    I do not observe the reasonability of the question ...
    In the Russian Federation, you are not going to take the republic. What questions then can be?!. People are trying to survive as they can.
    Strange article. Strange claims ...
    I am personally from Feodosia / Crimea. To exclude unnecessary insinuations in my address. Not dill, I mean.
    1. -1
      10 July 2020 23: 23
      Quote: Petrol cutter
      Lyudmila Bryantseva designed her Facebook account on a social network with a frame with the inscription in Ukrainian “Uncle Mom!”

      I'll try to explain
      The use of Ukrainian almost means
      1-Admiration for "fascism" (after all, Ukraine is "fascists")
      2-Work at the SBU (knowledge of Ukrainian is the first sign of participation in the SBU)
      3-Russian rejection and everything related to it (against the Russian Federation, against the Russian world, etc.)
      4-Taunt of the Ordlo effort is NOT Ukraine. But there are so many victims and blood to separate them. In the end, 6 years of the war for the Russian language if someone suddenly becomes Ukrainian.
      Etc..
      We have such insanity. And in the Russian Federation. But less of course. Because there is no military waste.
      In a war stupor, searches for "enemies" are more common. And the use of "German" oh-Ukrainian, the language of "officially enemy" is certainly a crime against the state.
      Do not forget that they recognized Russian as the only language. What changed the Constitution. Easy and laid back. Only the People’s Council. Without a referendum and coordination with the people.
    2. 0
      10 July 2020 23: 28
      Yes, even if she writes in English. The article said; ---- designed her account on the Facebook social network with a frame with the inscription in Ukrainian, "Dyakuyu momo!" and distinct symbols of the Russophobic and nationalist party “Ukrainian Galician Party”.
      But these social movements are really a sham that probably annoys the people of LDNR. . I wonder how many people, the population of LDNR, would support joining Russia? I am sure that most of the population.
      1. 0
        11 July 2020 18: 51
        So to speak. I personally am not familiar with the laws in the LPR.
        What is the "Galician party" - not in the know.
        Hence the conclusion. Let the guys understand there.
        Who is good, who is bad.
        Or republics are accepted in the Russian Federation. And then the prosecutor’s office and the FSB of the Russian Federation will be sorted out.
        Here is a vision of the situation on the ground. Such a squiggle ...
  12. +2
    10 July 2020 23: 21
    The main thing is to keep silent about the mass plundering of Russian money by the leadership of the republics and secondmenters of high rank. It is possible and necessary to write about small things like a directrix or any penny movement - but only after the first. But the main thing - alas, as is customary with us - is not written.
  13. +1
    12 July 2020 15: 05
    == followed the path of least resistance, giving rise to a stillborn ersatz, which, unfortunately, causes the majority of the population to be rejected and perplexed ==

    The phrase perfectly describes the essence of LDNR.
  14. -1
    13 July 2020 13: 47
    circus for budget money

    how much more time will all these strange people and organizations uniting them smoke the sky of the republics?


    As they say - with whom you will lead ..