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LDNR: instead of ideology - a circus for budget money

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We are not guilty ...



In June, "Military Review" wrote about how the director of the Lugansk secondary school No. 8 Lyudmila Bryantseva designed her Facebook account in a frame with the inscription in Ukrainian, "Dyakoy Mom!" and distinct symbols of the Russophobic and nationalist party “Ukrainian Galician Party”. Has Bryantsev been dismissed and have any sanctions been applied to her? This will become known at the beginning of the new school year. But now it’s already clear that local “public men” are doing their best to disown Bryantseva, claiming that the whole school director could work independently, not being a member of the structure, membership in which is mandatory for all civil servants and state employees.

Soon after the publication, the Lugansk functionaries of the public movement “Peace of the Luhansk Region” disseminated information that Lyudmila Bryantseva allegedly was not a member of the OD. As if this completely invalidates the support of Ukrainian nationalism by the headmaster! The attempt to clean the ranks in hindsight is logical and understandable, however, in this situation, obviously did not play into the hands of those who tried to whitewash the movement.

The whole thing is that working in a position, much less a managerial one, and not being a member of the Mir Mir Luhansk Oblast OD (in the case of the DPR, the Donetsk Republic OD) is practically impossible. There are isolated cases, but almost 100% we are talking about a trivial bribe or the presence of connections among senior officials in the government or in the leadership of the movement itself. That is, claiming that the disgraced headmistress Lyudmila Bryantseva was not a member of the organization, in which all budget employees and managers are without exception, representatives of the social movement once again set themselves up.

Hooray CPSU!


By themselves, the social movements of the LPR and the DPR are an attempt to replace thoughtful ideology with loud slogans and circumvent the semantic lacunae dictated by the Minsk agreements and the realities of the difficult situation in the republics. In principle, no one began to reinvent the wheel, but something was created that resembles the ever-memorable Party of Regions, which, if scratched, can easily be compared with the CPSU.

“Peace to the Luhansk region” and “Donetsk Republic” are also obligatory for all those working on the republican kosht, they are also engaged mainly in meaningless cultural events and aimless boltology, hold endless rallies and are absolutely sterile in terms of ideology or just some kind of socially useful activity, not counting rare insights when local activists are doing something really useful: they help veterans, look after memorials, etc.

The very case when, instead of promoting the formation and development of civil society, officials took the path of least resistance, giving rise to a still-born ersatz, which, unfortunately, causes the majority of the population to be rejected and perplexed. Why spend budget money on this if the treasury is already empty?

Strange people


Formalism, empty budget consumption and other shortcomings traditional for such structures are quite understandable and even a little excusable, given the situation. Another is unforgivable: in the ranks of these organizations there are a lot of incomprehensible people whose loyalty to the republics is very doubtful. Moreover, the headmaster of the school, specially or by sheer thought of honoring Ukrainian nationalists, is still not so scary. There are "frames" that are much more dangerous.

In the LPR and DPR under the auspices of social movements and on budget money, there are a number of groups in social networks whose policies are clearly directed against the government of the republics and Russia. From the more or less objective “Lugansk insider” in the LPR to the completely chauvinist “For the Power is a shame” in the DPR. Moreover, the latter, eating at the expense of the republic, not only actively pours mud on LDNR and Putin, but also openly calls for the destruction of LDNR in order to “then build something better, new.”

A reasonable question arises: how much longer will all these strange people and organizations uniting them smoke the skies of the republics? Is there really nothing more to spend the available funds on? And will not these social movements be a refuge for the enemies of the republics and Russia? Won't they, radiating false patriotism, harm as much as possible, working for the good of Ukraine?
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  1. New
    New Year day 10 July 2020 15: 08 New
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    drain at all levels .. The Russian government has repeatedly declared the territorial integrity of Ukraine. The local elite is already adapting to Ukraine. And ordinary people are thrown into the furnace of war and uncertainty. "Russian Spring" passed away quietly.
    1. alone
      alone 10 July 2020 15: 17 New
      11
      Ideology and AO MMM incompatible things .. what kind of pop, such and coming
      1. New
        New Year day 10 July 2020 15: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: lonely
        ..which pop, such a parish

        request
        Such is life, loot rules the world
        1. Alexga
          Alexga 10 July 2020 15: 31 New
          +4
          This is the trouble, that Russia does not express a clear position on LDNR, in any case specifically. According to the Minsk agreements, this is the territory of Ukraine, judging by the position of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, and the people of LDNR clearly do not think so.
          1. codetalker
            codetalker 10 July 2020 15: 37 New
            0
            Russia is always very clear on Ukraine. A coup d'etat took place there. LDNR is a part of Ukraine. Minsk agreements.
          2. New
            New Year day 10 July 2020 15: 37 New
            +3
            Quote: AlexGa
            Russia does not express a clear position on LDNR

            why? Both GDP and Peskov have repeatedly declared the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

            Quote: AlexGa
            and the people of LDNR definitely do not think so.

            and who is the people listening and where? No more than 200 thousand Russian passports have been received! What is this talking about? People do not see prospects and do not believe anyone.
            1. Alexga
              Alexga 10 July 2020 15: 47 New
              +3
              With such things, it will all end in great blood.
            2. CSKA
              CSKA 11 July 2020 12: 33 New
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              Both GDP and Peskov have repeatedly declared the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

              Are you giving small What should they say? Type: "Yes, we are doing everything in order to gradually take away part of Ukraine"?
    2. codetalker
      codetalker 10 July 2020 15: 39 New
      -7
      The fact that you do not understand the goals of Russia in the Ukrainian direction does not mean that there is some sort of discharge there.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 10 July 2020 15: 48 New
        +5
        Quote: codetalker
        The fact that you do not understand the goals of Russia in the Ukrainian direction does not mean that there is some sort of discharge there.

        so enlighten, why are you sitting here?
        1. codetalker
          codetalker 10 July 2020 16: 13 New
          -10
          Ukraine (in the medium term) should be a neutral, non-aligned, democratic state. The most important tools to achieve this goal are LDN. This is the only part of Ukraine that rejected the coup in Kiev. The Minsk agreements provide the necessary respite so that LDNR can take place as management entities, which should (as the situation is ready and appropriate) take control of all of Ukraine (through military intervention, if necessary), carry out repressions of the Natsiks, and establish the state information policy etc.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 10 July 2020 18: 45 New
            +3
            Actually, I thought that Russia. as in the best traditions of the State Department, she made a buffer zone to alleviate her political situation. At the same time, Russian people remained hostage to political games. Your point of view would have a right to life if Russia had something to offer, it means something social, or even socialist, some kind of ideology acceptable to everyone, a system for distributing a social product, protecting civil rights ... And now we have everything as in America .. everyone steers the loot! And if the loot steers, then its quantity wins! In your situation, Siberia should feed Ukraine, but we do not have enough fat for ourselves!
            1. codetalker
              codetalker 10 July 2020 19: 15 New
              -6
              What buffer zone?
              Indeed, we cannot offer anything ideological right now. The problem of ideological power must first be solved within Russia. How long does it take - I don’t know. In the meantime, we can offer LDNR and Ukraine physical survival.
              People in LDNR, indeed, found themselves in a difficult situation. Russia helps. Everyone must get Russian citizenship ...
          2. Shteffan
            Shteffan 10 July 2020 19: 18 New
            +1
            What intervention? It is impossible by the forces of the People’s Liberal Democratic Party, and Russia will not help, it is trying to push it back with all its might.
            1. codetalker
              codetalker 10 July 2020 19: 23 New
              -5
              Again. It is necessary to shove them back into Ukraine by force, so that the power in Kiev would pass to LDNR. Of course, the RF Armed Forces will provide this. Well, by the way, is there enough or not LDNR forces, that's another question ... Ukraine already has no army, one rabble. So perhaps Russia's help will be limited to aviation and precision missile strikes.
              1. Shteffan
                Shteffan 10 July 2020 19: 28 New
                +5
                Why is there no army? Rabble? Pffff. You fell from the oak? Where do you live? And what are you watching? APU is pumped with equipment and dough. Everything is being repaired and modernized. 250.000 and how many? advantage 1: 5. wake up already, time to go to work.
                1. codetalker
                  codetalker 10 July 2020 19: 33 New
                  -3
                  You have a peculiar idea of ​​the army. You can pump and repair equipment as much as you like. There will be no sense from this if there is no discipline, training, coherence, necessary skills. All equipment in this case will quickly go to the enemy as trophies.
                  Wake up :)
                  1. Shteffan
                    Shteffan 10 July 2020 19: 41 New
                    +4
                    All this is happening. IN UKRAINE we are engaged in ARMED FORCES. Come to your senses, you are not at all in the subject.
                    1. codetalker
                      codetalker 10 July 2020 19: 43 New
                      -4
                      Well, why argue, time will tell.
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              2. Cristall
                Cristall 10 July 2020 23: 06 New
                -3
                Quote: codetalker
                It is necessary to shove them back into Ukraine by force, so that the power in Kiev would pass to LDNR. Of course, the RF Armed Forces will provide this.

                Wow..
                All Ukrainians dream of living in the gray zone of the "Russian world" ... and will be happy to meet him with flowers ...
                Force does not work out. Already very much advertised "this is happiness"
                Nobody needs it. And the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will also "love and favor." And the Kremlin does not need complete isolation. Therefore, everything will be like a moment.
                A full-scale war will not be between Ukraine and the Russian Federation. No one will give in in Europe. We have already seen the beginning. Immediately someone flies ..
                1. codetalker
                  codetalker 10 July 2020 23: 39 New
                  -2
                  Well, Ukrainians have two options: live in the gray zone of the Russian world, as you put it, or die out. The Kiev regime cannot lead to another. Another thing is how soon the Ukrainians will understand this. We also had many illusions in the 90s ... and they didn’t go away in one day. But our goals in Ukraine are not limited in time. We can wait. When the time is right, people will perceive LDNR as liberators (and, together with them, the RF Armed Forces).
                  And the Kremlin cannot be isolated by anyone; it supplies half the world with natural resources.
                  1. Shteffan
                    Shteffan 11 July 2020 15: 42 New
                    +3
                    1. With the powder of the LDNR troops and Russia, part of the population would have met. (15-30%), the rest are not.
                    2. The ugly and naive romanticism of the 14th year has passed for many, and under Ze there are already many who do not accept hostilities and captures on either one or the other side. Everyone wants peace.
                    3. The Kremlin is isolated by restricting the supply of technology and equipment. The resources needed must still be effectively extracted and processed.
                    1. codetalker
                      codetalker 11 July 2020 16: 12 New
                      -4
                      Nothing, they will live another 10 years under the Kiev regime, they will all be 100% perceived as liberators.
                      The Kremlin cannot be isolated, as practice has shown. The rest of the world does not have a spare planet full of natural resources. You can put pressure on local elites with sanctions and threats to put pressure on the Kremlin (or even arrange a maidan). Which has been happening since 2014.
                      1. Shteffan
                        Shteffan 13 July 2020 13: 10 New
                        -1
                        They won’t. At least complete collapse will be. Bad and criminal local government is not good Russia and Putin. You at least separate cutlets and flies. Your courtiers and loyal liberals and oligarchs who have grown together with the authorities cannot bring anything good to Ukraine and everyone understands this.
                  2. Cristall
                    Cristall 11 July 2020 19: 51 New
                    -1
                    Quote: codetalker
                    Well, Ukrainians have two options: live in the gray zone of the Russian world, as you put it, or die out

                    i.e. options
                    To die out with the Kiev regime
                    Extend many times faster with the Russian world ..
                    As if from two evils, the lesser is obvious
                    1. codetalker
                      codetalker 11 July 2020 20: 21 New
                      -2
                      No, they will live in the Russian world.
                  3. Roman123567
                    Roman123567 13 July 2020 13: 52 New
                    +1
                    Well, Ukrainians have two options: live in the gray zone of the Russian world, as you put it, or die out.
                    Somehow the Balts "die out" without us .. and do not dream of returning ..))
                2. CSKA
                  CSKA 11 July 2020 12: 38 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Cristall
                  Immediately someone flies ..

                  What are you? And who?
                  1. Cristall
                    Cristall 11 July 2020 19: 51 New
                    -4
                    Yes, some presidents of unknown countries.
                    1. CSKA
                      CSKA 13 July 2020 10: 59 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Cristall
                      Yes, some presidents of unknown countries.

                      ))))) And what are your last names?
            2. CSKA
              CSKA 11 July 2020 12: 38 New
              -1
              Quote: Steffan
              and Russia will not help, it is trying with all its might to push it back.

              How not to tell? The fact that passports of the Russian Federation? Or what arms? Or that contains money?
              1. Shteffan
                Shteffan 11 July 2020 15: 45 New
                +2
                She is forced to give out, forced to arm and forced to contain. In the sixth year they just started, passports. Have everyone heard the conversation between Pu and Gunpowder? Is interesting rhetoric true?
                1. CSKA
                  CSKA 13 July 2020 11: 00 New
                  0
                  Quote: Steffan
                  She is forced to distribute, forced to arm and forced to contain. For the sixth year, they have just begun, passports.

                  Well, yes, they force me straight.)))))
                  Quote: Steffan
                  Pu and Gunpowder have everyone heard? An interesting rhetoric, right?

                  Oh yeah. I heard. And from the gunpowder there everything is clearly visible.
          3. Roman123567
            Roman123567 13 July 2020 13: 50 New
            0
            This is the only part of Ukraine that rejected the coup in Kiev.
            You might think that they really rejected something there ..
            If we didn’t get in there, everything would be the same as in Kharkov ..

            although .. someone still believes in the "miners" ..))
      2. Llur
        Llur 11 July 2020 01: 14 New
        0
        We understand the goals of government.
      3. CSKA
        CSKA 11 July 2020 12: 35 New
        -1
        Quote: codetalker
        The fact that you do not understand the goals of Russia in the Ukrainian direction does not mean that there is some sort of discharge there.

        So you need to have brains to understand. And these talkers have one criticism in their head. they pseudo patriots actually do not care about LDN. Their task is to criticize everything and everyone.
    3. credo
      credo 10 July 2020 15: 44 New
      -2
      Quote: Silvestr
      drain at all levels .. The Russian government has repeatedly declared the territorial integrity of Ukraine. The local elite is already adapting to Ukraine. And ordinary people are thrown into the furnace of war and uncertainty. "Russian Spring" passed away quietly.

      Maybe all the same, it’s not worthwhile to judge and chop off one shoulder on one article and occasion. In each country there is an example similar to this and what now to shout "Lost." Take, for example, Russian characters such as Efremov, Makarevich, Akhedzhakova, Grebenshchikov and others, who poured water on Russia and its citizens, and the coup of 2014 and its “heroes” were favorably received. From the same opera, but we are not making tragedies out of it, starting to understand that we need to evaluate them according to deeds, and not to prankishness.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 10 July 2020 15: 59 New
        0
        What does one article have to do with it? This situation at all levels.
      2. Roman123567
        Roman123567 13 July 2020 13: 57 New
        0
        Efremov, Makarevich, Akhedzhakova, Grebenshchikov and others who watered Russia and its citizens with slops, and the 2014 coup and its “heroes” were favorably received.
        And why - was it watered by slops ?? They only called things by their proper names .. I personally, as it were, did not support the coup in Ukraine .. because it is not beneficial to our country in any way .. but purely humanly .. it was their right and business ..
        And we wouldn’t be hindered by our snickering authorities to hint at something like that .. And these my thoughts are by no means slops to Russia ..
    4. doubovitski
      doubovitski 10 July 2020 15: 54 New
      -1
      Quote: Silvestr
      drain at all levels .. The Russian government has repeatedly declared the territorial integrity of Ukraine. The local elite is already adapting to Ukraine. And ordinary people are thrown into the furnace of war and uncertainty. "Russian Spring" passed away quietly.

      You just need to read the story well. Specifically, the period is pre-revolutionary, revolutionary and post-revolutionary. Moreover, it doesn’t matter in which country. France is Germany, Russia .... You study, go take the exam. Unless, of course, you realize that ALWAYS, EVERYWHERE, in such periods, shit floated upstairs, floating in sight, and attracting all the flies to the rally. How is Ukraine different from this? Was Simon Petliura a teacher? Well, this aphid is the director.
      1. TAMBU
        TAMBU 10 July 2020 16: 19 New
        +1
        yes ... such as, for example, Napoleon, say Dzerzhinsky and Thomas Jefferson. Everywhere and always one shit. Will you take the exam? And then I want to check my level of knowledge ...
    5. CSKA
      CSKA 11 July 2020 12: 31 New
      -2
      Quote: Silvestr
      Local elite is already adjusting

      What is an example? What is the elite?
      Quote: Silvestr
      drain at all levels

      Your next nonsense. Never been to LDNR, but there too. Pass out a passport to drain? Industry under the Russian Federation to drain? About the popular police, here, in open sources, I do not want to write. The level of your understanding is the level of the grandmother on the bench.
      1. Shteffan
        Shteffan 11 July 2020 15: 48 New
        -1
        Shaw you grind. Local LDNR complain that they have nowhere to sell the products of their enterprises. Russian producers are not profitable. Lobby is better there.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 13 July 2020 11: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Steffan
          Shaw you grind. Local LDNR complain that they have nowhere to sell the products of their enterprises. Russian producers are not profitable. Lobby is better there.

          Another. Also I suppose every day in LDN you drop by? Are you complaining? Are plant and mine directors on your carpet? What products can you at least clarify? What kind of lobby are you sculpting about? Whose lobby is it? What is not profitable to buy Russian manufacturers?))))))))) These manufacturers generally what? The utter nonsense is borne by the economist you are unfinished, versed in the industry as I am in ballet. Is it unprofitable from unrecognized republics to buy coking and steam coal, metal and mining equipment at a low price? Is it profitable for NLMZ to buy coking coal in Kuzbass and drive it for 3000 km, rather than in LDNR 500 km?
          Head already start to think.
        2. Wowka
          Wowka 17 July 2020 01: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Steffan
          Shaw you grind. Local LDNR complain that they have nowhere to sell the products of their enterprises

          Well, at what enterprises are products stamped in LDNR?
          and how much is it?
          They feed the whole world straight .. Three yards, two stakes. Countries, damn it, even those! )))
          Do not carry a snowstorm! Crowds for a penny work, others sit without work, others without a salary ..
          The enterprises were cut, some were exported to the Russian Federation (by the way, on those that really could be earned), the others were rotted .. Russia helped so helped, everyone there is just happy from the “care”.
          It would be better if they didn’t touch it! Now there is nothing.
          Granary, damn it. Garbage can - all that can be said about LDNR.
          And where will they deliver products, even if they will produce something sensible? Where? Without recognition in the world? In Zimbabwe, and probably ice cream .. or something else?
          1. Shteffan
            Shteffan 17 July 2020 11: 08 New
            -1
            So I meant that they don't want to produce anything because there is nowhere to sell, no one wants to buy.
          2. Shteffan
            Shteffan 17 July 2020 11: 11 New
            -1
            They'll throw you cons,
            you are not politically correct about the glorious and great republics !!!
    6. UrraletZ
      UrraletZ 16 July 2020 10: 47 New
      0
      Because the capitalist ministers have long agreed on everything.
  2. Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 10 July 2020 15: 30 New
    +5
    Moreover, the latter, eating at the expense of the republic, not only actively pours mud on LDNR and Putin, but also openly calls for the destruction of LDNR in order to “then build something better, new.”

    And what else to do with these territories. DNI and LC - a hopeless, depressive, gray zone, unnecessary neither Russia nor Ukraine. Well, if they were something whole, but the state border between the DPR and LPR is generally the Spanish circus, I think. And for this, thousands of people died?
    1. New
      New Year day 10 July 2020 15: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Simon Schempp
      DPR and LPR - a hopeless, depressive, gray zone, unnecessary neither Russia nor Ukraine.

      a suitcase without a handle, in fact. Ukraine needs land. but without a population with their pro-Russian ideals.
      The Russian authorities do not need either one or the other is troublesome.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 10 July 2020 16: 24 New
        +2
        The Russian authorities do not need either one or the other is troublesome.
        ... We’ll clarify, not the Russian authorities, but the Russian oligarchs, on whom the Russian authorities rely. Let us imagine this picture, LDNR became part of Russia. It is necessary to restore the economy of these areas, who will do this? Ivan Fedorovich Kruzenshtern, man and ship - in the sense of the state? .. Of course not. It is necessary to entrust the Russian oligarch. In order to entrust, the existing property needs to be squeezed out somehow, if squeezed out must be compensated, compensated from the state budget and transferred to another one. Squeezed without compensation, not in a "patsansky" ... Remember when Zakharchenko announced the nationalization of enterprises? He returned everything to the ass, with the words: “they misunderstood me” and did not live long after that ... By the way, I’ve noticed recently that leaders of various ranks have stopped killing in LDNR ... And the shooting stopped after the murder of Zakharchenko ... " Coincidence? I don’t think "(c) ...
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 11 July 2020 12: 51 New
          -2
          Quote: parusnik
          Need to restore the economy of these areas

          What are you? And detail? KhTZ works, Yenakiyevsky marks and coke ovens work, Dongormash works, Alchevsky marks and coke ovens work, Makeevkoks works. Do you want to list further?
          Quote: parusnik
          In order to entrust, the existing property must be squeezed out somehow, if squeezed out it is necessary to compensate, compensate from the state budget and transfer it to another.

          What do you grind? To whom to compensate? If LDNR becomes part of the Russian Federation, then these plants will be privatized. But you, even sitting at your computer and half, do not know what is happening at these plants, but imagine yourself an expert and grind nonsense.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 July 2020 18: 25 New
        -2
        Quote: Silvestr
        a suitcase without a handle, in fact.

        Citizens who lost a suitcase?
    2. Larisa Byvsheva_3
      Larisa Byvsheva_3 10 July 2020 15: 54 New
      +6
      "Unpromising, depressive, gray zone", to say the Donbass, at one time, gave 30% of Ukraine’s GDP! And only an absolute dumbass and an ownerless man can consider this rich land to be “useless” to anyone.
      1. doubovitski
        doubovitski 10 July 2020 15: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Larisa Byvsheva_3
        "Unpromising, depressive, gray zone", to say the Donbass, at one time, gave 30% of Ukraine’s GDP! And only an absolute dumbass and an ownerless man can consider this rich land to be “useless” to anyone.

        What are you talking to this boob? Away from shit, less stink, so my father taught me.
      2. credo
        credo 10 July 2020 16: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Larisa Byvsheva_3
        "Unpromising, depressive, gray zone", to say the Donbass, at one time, gave 30% of Ukraine’s GDP! And only an absolute dumbass and an ownerless man can consider this rich land to be “useless” to anyone.

        I agree with you completely. It’s always easier for some to wave a wooden saber and draw hasty conclusions, treating oneself uncritically. But the facts speak back and the fact that Russia over the past six years has not allowed the nationalist scum and the Ukrainian armed forces, together with their political prostitutes, to destroy the population of Donbass and protect them from genocide and extermination by any means, does not only see the blind otherwise.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 10 July 2020 20: 31 New
          0
          I mean, I didn’t? Half of the Donbass near Ukraine, people die every day
      3. Shteffan
        Shteffan 10 July 2020 20: 15 New
        -1
        You are right, in due time. And that time has passed. Now Donbass is a hole that only absorbs resources.
      4. Cristall
        Cristall 10 July 2020 23: 08 New
        -4
        Quote: Larisa Byvsheva_3
        Donbass, at one time, accounted for 30% of Ukraine’s GDP! And only an absolute dumbass and an ownerless man can consider this rich land "unnecessary" to anyone

        there are also the highest salaries in Ukraine.
        True in the controlled part of the Donbass (that is, in 2/3 of the regions)
        But how to manage in the regional centers to make it smaller ... you have to try it.
        Especially for the Russian Federation with its higher salaries than in Ukraine.
      5. CSKA
        CSKA 11 July 2020 12: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Larisa Byvsheva_3
        "Unpromising, depressive, gray zone", to say the Donbass, at one time, gave 30% of Ukraine’s GDP! And only an absolute dumbass and an ownerless man can consider this rich land to be “useless” to anyone.

        And he does not even understand why there was a sharp drop in the dill economy in 2014.
    3. bar
      bar 10 July 2020 17: 19 New
      -2
      You yourself quickly know what is being done. I think our leadership simply expects the formal death of the Minsk agreements, to which very little remains. Once it is ascertained, there will be recognition of the independence of the DNI / LC.
      1. CSKA
        CSKA 11 July 2020 12: 54 New
        -1
        Quote: bar
        You yourself quickly know what is being done. I think our leadership simply expects the formal death of the Minsk agreements, to which very little remains. Once it is ascertained, there will be recognition of the independence of the DNI / LC.

        Finally, a good idea. We need a reason like in 2008 with Georgia.
    4. CSKA
      CSKA 11 July 2020 12: 46 New
      -2
      Quote: Simon Schempp
      unnecessary neither Russia nor Ukraine.

      Russia needs it as well as other territories, but we simply cannot take and attach them yet.
      And about Ukraine. Do you even look at the LDNR industry. And if you also take the whole Donbass, do you know what the fall of the Ukrainian economy will be? Stronger than in 2014.
    5. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 11 July 2020 14: 09 New
      +2
      The state border between the LPR DPR is brought to the point of absurdity. Parents in the DNI itself in the LNR have not traveled for retirement since the spring. And the old people are helpless, you can’t send them yourself. Children also study there - you can’t send money NO !!!!
  3. New
    New Year day 10 July 2020 15: 32 New
    -1
    Yesterday I watched Strelkov’s interview with Karaulov. Strelkov frankly says that those who are able to bring LDNR into the bosom of Ukraine have been placed in the power of LDNR.
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 11 July 2020 12: 55 New
      -1
      Quote: Silvestr
      yesterday watched an interview Strelkova Karaulov

      He accidentally forgot to tell where he got off fast in the summer, and most importantly he promised to return and did not return while we drove dill into boilers.
  4. codetalker
    codetalker 10 July 2020 15: 42 New
    +5
    The problem of ideological power is very acute in Russia. In such a situation, it is strange to make claims in this regard to LDNR.
  5. L-39NG
    L-39NG 10 July 2020 15: 46 New
    +4
    The experience of Nazi Germany does not suggest anything? The annexation of neighboring territories due to the fact that "ours" live there? And they, suddenly, were impatient. And where is he now, this Leader?
    1. Captivity
      Captivity 10 July 2020 16: 12 New
      0
      At first there was a war. Then comes the leader who believes that the war was dishonestly lost. Then the gathering of lands begins.
    2. credo
      credo 10 July 2020 16: 21 New
      -1
      Quote: L-39NG
      The experience of Nazi Germany does not suggest anything? The annexation of neighboring territories due to the fact that "ours" live there? And they, suddenly, were impatient. And where is he now, this Leader?

      You probably better know about the annexation, since you are here so "authoritatively" talking about it. Read at your leisure the speeches of politicians and leaders of the nationalist rabble of Ukraine, who dream of gaining territory from San (Poland) to the Don (Russia), as well as the North Caucasus and all those territories inhabited by immigrants from Ukraine or with Ukrainian surnames. Was it their desire, or is it called freedom of speech?
      1. Avior
        Avior 10 July 2020 18: 03 New
        +3
        It is rabble, you have correctly identified.
        They do not solve anything.
    3. CSKA
      CSKA 11 July 2020 12: 57 New
      -1
      Quote: L-39NG
      The experience of Nazi Germany does not suggest anything?

      But the experience of Alsace and Lorraine on joining France does not tell you anything? More examples to cite?
  6. Boris Afinogenov
    Boris Afinogenov 10 July 2020 16: 18 New
    +3
    Merged the "Russian spring" - that's all. From this you need to splash.

    I understand that in Crimea there are more Russians than in the Donbass, but it is so obvious to renounce their people ...
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 11 July 2020 12: 58 New
      -2
      Quote: Boris Afinogenov
      Merged the "Russian spring" - that's all. From this you need to splash.

      Another nonsense.
      Quote: Boris Afinogenov
      I understand that in Crimea there are more Russians than in the Donbass, but it is so obvious to renounce their people ...

      Where did you see the denial?
  7. Radikal
    Radikal 10 July 2020 16: 48 New
    +2
    And what - were there any hopes? After the invention of the Minsk agreements, everything was clear, and obvious .... sad
  8. Boris Afinogenov
    Boris Afinogenov 10 July 2020 17: 02 New
    +1
    Even after the hostilities, everything became clear that there would be no “Crimea”.
  9. mag nit
    mag nit 10 July 2020 17: 12 New
    0
    LD / HP, - a circus divided by a border.
  10. Maks1995
    Maks1995 10 July 2020 17: 29 New
    +6
    Not the first article. However, what did they want?

    There is a buffer zone, without ideology, with artificially created organizations listed in the article ....
    While profitable, contain, it will be unprofitable - merge.
    Here's a recent article about Poroshenko’s conversations with Putin. They communicate normally. The oligarchs trade in coal, gas, oil, titanium, and aluminum.

    And Ivana and Mykoly shoot at each other.
    1. Avior
      Avior 10 July 2020 18: 04 New
      +1
      Not certainly in that way.
      Actually in the Donbass, it is Ivana and Kolya on both sides: ((
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 10 July 2020 20: 19 New
        0
        This is purely arbitrary, for clarity.
        If Kolya, mykoly, Nicolas ..... Everyone, everyone is driven into the trenches, so that the authorities and the profits without interference pick up ....
        1. Avior
          Avior 10 July 2020 22: 06 New
          +2
          This is not conditional
          In fact, on both sides, the majority are Russians and Russian speakers.
          And as for the trenches being driven, so on both sides are volunteers.
          1. Maks1995
            Maks1995 13 July 2020 09: 15 New
            0
            Not conditionally, not conditionally ...
            And the stump is clear, volunteers .... How could it be without them ....
            But for some reason, the media paints volunteer recruits from Ukraine, and the Internet is full of news with recent military volunteer retirees, and a couple of times volunteer border guards got lost ... and somewhere in Russia elite volunteer leaders are found ....

            And not a single kid of oligarchs or officials was noticed in volunteers ...
            1. Avior
              Avior 13 July 2020 09: 25 New
              -2
              Formally spotted
              https://www.google.com/amp/s/korrespondent.net/amp/3421209-poroshenko-moi-syn-komandyr-artylleryiskoho-podrazdelenyia-v-zone-ato
              1. Maks1995
                Maks1995 13 July 2020 09: 32 New
                0
                Tse is known, they wrote, under the protection of special forces away from the line ....
                1. Avior
                  Avior 13 July 2020 09: 38 New
                  -2
                  They wrote different things.
                  There are others
                  https://www.google.com/amp/amp.news.bigmir.net/ukraine/852616-Lejtenant-Poroshenko--ch-i-deti-politikov-sluzhili-v-ATO-i-skol-ko--infografika-
                  1. Maks1995
                    Maks1995 13 July 2020 09: 47 New
                    0
                    Wah! In some pictures they are civilians.
                    But at least something. True, there is not a word about "volunteers" ... and about service and "demobilization"
  11. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 10 July 2020 20: 33 New
    +3
    "Lyudmila Bryantseva registered her Facebook account with a frame with the inscription in Ukrainian" Dyakuyu mamo! "
    And what is the problem?!. In Crimea, three languages ​​are declared. In theory, you have the right to write on anyone. And Lugansk, as I know, is not part of the Russian Federation. Moreover, as the president of Russia claims, it is an integral part of UA.
    "A reasonable question arises: how much longer will all these strange people and their organizations unite the skies of the republics? Can there really be nothing more to spend the available funds on? And will these social movements turn out to be a refuge for the enemies of the republics and Russia? Won't they, radiating pretentious patriotism, harming as much as possible, working for the good of Ukraine? "
    I do not observe the reasonability of the question ...
    In the Russian Federation, you are not going to take the republic. What questions then can be?!. People are trying to survive as they can.
    Strange article. Strange claims ...
    I am personally from Feodosia / Crimea. To exclude unnecessary insinuations in my address. Not dill, I mean.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 10 July 2020 23: 23 New
      -1
      Quote: Benzorez
      Lyudmila Bryantseva designed her Facebook account on a social network with a frame with the inscription in Ukrainian “Uncle Mom!”

      I'll try to explain
      The use of Ukrainian almost means
      1-Admiration for "fascism" (because Ukraine is a "fascist")
      2-Work at the SBU (knowledge of Ukrainian is the first sign of participation in the SBU)
      3-Russian rejection and everything related to it (against the Russian Federation, against the Russian world, etc.)
      4-Taunt of the Ordlo effort is NOT Ukraine. But there are so many victims and blood to separate them. In the end, 6 years of the war for the Russian language if someone suddenly becomes Ukrainian.
      Etc..
      We have such insanity. And in the Russian Federation. But less of course. Because there is no military waste.
      With military stupor, the search for "enemies" most often. And the use of the "German" oh -Ukrainian, the language of the "officially enemy" is certainly a crime against the state.
      Do not forget that they recognized Russian as the only language. What changed the Constitution. Easy and laid back. Only the People’s Council. Without a referendum and coordination with the people.
    2. Filya Rum
      Filya Rum 10 July 2020 23: 28 New
      0
      Yes, even if she writes in English. The article said; ---- designed her account on the Facebook social network with a frame with the inscription in Ukrainian, "Dyakuyu momo!" and distinct symbols of the Russophobic and nationalist party “Ukrainian Galician Party”.
      But these social movements are really a sham that probably annoys the people of LDNR. . I wonder how many people, the population of LDNR, would support joining Russia? I am sure that most of the population.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 11 July 2020 18: 51 New
        0
        So to speak. I personally am not familiar with the laws in the LPR.
        What is the "Galician party" - not in the know.
        Hence the conclusion. Let the guys understand there.
        Who is good, who is bad.
        Or republics are accepted in the Russian Federation. And then the prosecutor’s office and the FSB of the Russian Federation will be sorted out.
        Here is a vision of the situation on the ground. Such a squiggle ...
  12. harpsichord
    harpsichord 10 July 2020 23: 21 New
    +2
    The main thing is to keep silent about the mass plundering of Russian money by the leadership of the republics and secondmenters of high rank. It is possible and necessary to write about small things like a directrix or any penny movement - but only after the first. But the main thing - alas, as is customary with us - is not written.
  13. Rudkovsky
    Rudkovsky 12 July 2020 15: 05 New
    +1
    == followed the path of least resistance, giving rise to a stillborn ersatz, which, unfortunately, causes the majority of the population to be rejected and perplexed ==

    The phrase perfectly describes the essence of LDNR.
  14. Roman123567
    Roman123567 13 July 2020 13: 47 New
    -1
    circus for budget money

    how much more time will all these strange people and organizations uniting them smoke the sky of the republics?


    As they say - with whom you will lead ..