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Russian State Council comes out of the shadows

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Once in the USSR there was such a state body - the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. It was he who determined the internal and foreign policy of the state, its strategy and tactics. In the Russian Federation, such a body does not exist, but it may well arise. And his name is the State Council.


In Russia there is a president, a bicameral parliament and a government. The country's development strategy is determined by the president, the Federal Assembly passes laws, and the government performs the function of the executive branch. But it’s quite difficult to determine the strategy of such a huge country as Russia to one person, even with competent advisers. But if he had a limited circle of smart, honest and competent specialists who are well versed in economics, law, politics, military affairs and other areas!

They would help the president solve strategic issues of government. Perhaps it was for this purpose that the State Council of the Russian Federation appeared?

People who are well versed in the structure of our state may object that the current State Council did not appear now, but a couple of decades ago, in 2000. And they will be absolutely right. That's right, but one of the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation adopted this year changes the structure and functions of the State Council of the Russian Federation radically. And the most interesting thing is that it is not about the State Council at all, but about the powers of the President. It is a paragraph to article 83 of the Constitution, which states that the President of the Russian Federation:

... forms the State Council of the Russian Federation in order to ensure the coordinated functioning and interaction of state authorities, to determine the main directions of the domestic and foreign policy of the Russian Federation and priority areas of the socio-economic development of the state; The status of the State Council of the Russian Federation is determined by federal law;

I’m not a lawyer, but I’ll try to understand the wording without the help of special knowledge, guided by ordinary household logic. If the State Council ensures the functioning and interaction of all authorities, then they are subordinate to it. That is, he is the most important. This is discussed later in the amendment, because it is he who determines the main (that is, strategic) directions of development of the state, its foreign and domestic policy.


And do you really think that such a powerful structure with such broad powers will be limited, for example, to the implementation of national projects and the assessment of the quality of life in the regions? Do you seriously think so?

By the way, about functions and powers. According to the adopted amendment, the status of the State Council is determined by federal law. He is not there yet, but he will apparently be accepted. And already there all rights and obligations of this body will be registered. Simply put, everything is written in detail in the Constitution about other important government agencies, and very little is said there about the most important, and everything else will be written down in a separate and adopted law. That is, almost any functional can appear there, and it will be constitutional.

And if earlier the State Council consisted only of the chairmen of both chambers of the Federal Assembly, heads of regions of the Russian Federation and leaders of parliamentary factions, now almost any citizen of the Russian Federation can be there. Of course, not any, but only worthy, which will be appointed by the leader of the state. Read the amendment again, it is also said there - the State Council is formed by the president, this is part of his authority.

By the way, it was the president who proposed making this amendment to the Constitution.

What conclusions can be drawn from the foregoing? Until they adopt the corresponding federal law, which will describe in detail the powers of the State Council of the Russian Federation. Then we will understand whether the State Council will become the main power structure in our country, or whether its functionality will remain the same.
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  1. Bar1
    Bar1 9 July 2020 08: 35
    64
    it would be necessary to look by family name at these "best people of this Russia" and how many of them have property and accounts abroad and then we can determine their suitability for the people. Without even knowing these people, I can argue that the benefits for the Russian people will be negative, because that they are created under this regime.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 9 July 2020 08: 43
      29
      At the top of the list is Putin. Medvedev is behind him. Any person (sounds strange) who has been president automatically becomes a member of the State Council. The most "best and worthy" people. Isn't that so?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 9 July 2020 09: 01
        +1
        "Russian State Council comes out of the shadows"

        State Council in Russia: what it was like under kings and what it can become today

        The President proposed that a new body, the Council of State, be legalized in the Constitution. Although he is more than two centuries old!

        «TVNZ"Turned to experts
        IGOR EMELYANOV

        Full article: https://www.donetsk.kp.ru/daily/27086/4159195/
        1. umah
          umah 9 July 2020 12: 54
          11
          The only thing that bothers you is that if the next president has a different vision of the development (or destruction) of Russia, he will reshuffle the State Council to suit his needs. And again, no long-term development strategy will work. In theory, such a structure should protect the country from any "Khrushchevs" and "Gorbachevs", preventing them from drastically changing the course of the state.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 9 July 2020 12: 59
            +4
            Quote: umah
            The only thing that confuses is that if the next president has a different vision of Russia's development, then he will shuffle the state council to his needs.

            This, in principle, should guarantee power continuity institutionwhich some stubbornly confuse with the inheritance of it ...
            1. dauria
              dauria 9 July 2020 13: 15
              12
              which some stubbornly confuse with the inheritance of it ...

              The Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU chose and could throw the General Secretary. It even threw off, it happened. Now it turns out the opposite - the president forms and disperses. So this is no counterweight. Although the situation is strange, it was not the Secretary General who was considered the head of the USSR, but the chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council.
            2. Ryaruav
              Ryaruav 9 July 2020 19: 21
              +4
              and if these starters die at once then what? the number of options is large, it already slightly at first resembles peerstvo in the United Kingdom, and there it is driven by a luminous and indispensable one, the poorest got the smallest 145 million idiots, no one left the economy to be the only master of sports and agent 007 that everyone knew about
            3. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 9 July 2020 19: 52
              +9
              Quote: Insurgent
              power continuity institution

              power in our interests, in the interests of a handful of rich people, exercises its authority. Sound the Purpose of activity of the power, define the Way, Ideology to help them!
          2. RMT
            RMT 9 July 2020 13: 17
            13
            The Politburo was under Stalin, and Khrushchev happened. The Politburo was under Andropov, Chernenko, and Gorbachev happened. Not protected from a change of course. By the way, under Nikolai the second was also a state council.
            1. umah
              umah 9 July 2020 13: 20
              +9
              Yes, it was. And it is very unfortunate.
        2. BecmepH
          BecmepH 11 July 2020 19: 40
          0
          Quote: Insurgent
          Komsomolskaya Pravda turned to experts

          Kashin alone from the KP is enough to know to predict the conclusions of the "Komsomol member"
      2. alone
        alone 9 July 2020 10: 38
        11
        Quote: Vladivostok1969
        Behind him is Medvedev.

        Everything is all ... no further listing is necessary. So it’s all clear who is next ..
      3. Campanella
        Campanella 9 July 2020 11: 00
        16
        Formally, they are Putin and Medvedev worthy people since the majority of the people elected them. But in fact, in view of our electoral system, where one voter who comes in can determine the fate of the state, such estimates turn into a farce.
        Again, the absence of a normal social lift mechanism calls into question all candidates proposed by the president. He chooses from what has emerged by itself, and you know what emerges by itself, excluding those who, through their labor, have achieved the recognition of society. Moreover, the number of all sorts of actors, journalists, athletes, television and radio presenters and other "talker thinkers" of this kind in the State Council should be reduced to a minimum, as well as paper officials.
        1. RMT
          RMT 9 July 2020 13: 20
          +5
          And who to choose in the State Council? The second composition of the government?
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 9 July 2020 20: 01
          +5
          Quote: Campanella
          Moreover, the number of all sorts of actors, journalists, athletes, television and radio presenters and other "talker thinkers" of this kind in the State Council should be reduced to a minimum, as well as paper officials

          And then whom to choose? I spun for some time in the world of science ... Do you think that someone is concerned about its progress there ?? 7 wassat no! they are concerned only with the development of the allocated money, while they go to any profanation. Information is accumulated by students and graduate students, ideas are stolen from foreign journalism, only their own people, often stupid and mean, are promoting. And those who can do something - they do not have enough time for administrative work. Those who advance themselves up the administrative ladder never climb into the jungle of knowledge. Meetings with the president with scientific "luminaries" clearly showed this
          I believe that maybe the military should be on the Council?
          1. Campanella
            Campanella 9 July 2020 21: 57
            +5
            Yes, the loot won in man, returning him to his original animal state. And of course, science did not pass by. Monetized everything they could
            Of course, there are still people who put the general above the personal, but there are really few of them.
            So filling the State Council will be really difficult.
            The question is not who, the question is who will do it.
          2. gridasov
            gridasov 10 July 2020 07: 42
            +3
            This in the future will result in negative consequences. No one to even talk about the math of Big Data Analysis. It is useless to give out the development of fundamentally new aircraft engines and VNEU on new mechanisms of substance transformation. Few people are interested in electric cars on completely new inductive devices.
      4. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 9 July 2020 11: 45
        +6
        Quote: Vladivostok1969
        At the top of the list is Putin. Medvedev is behind him. Any person (sounds strange) who has been president automatically becomes a member of the State Council. The most "best and worthy" people. Isn't that so?

        polychrome
      5. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 July 2020 01: 07
        +2
        Quote: Vladivostok1969
        Any person (sounds strange) who has been president automatically becomes a member of the State Council.

        He was elected, did not suit the people and devastatingly lost the next elections. Do not despair! Although the people decided, based on the results of your presidential term, that you should not be allowed close to power, you will still determine their future - as part of the State Council! And do not care for that popular opinion. "This is such a squiggle, you know!" (from)

        I would have watched how Putin and Berezovsky deal with the presence of a state council consisting of Yeltsin and Gorbachev.
    2. Pavel Amarok
      Pavel Amarok 9 July 2020 09: 24
      +2
      The list will be transcriptional
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 9 July 2020 09: 34
      24
      Quote: Bar1
      Without even knowing these people, I can argue that the benefits for the Russian people will be negative, because they are created under this regime.

      The exact definition, no matter how you hang out the deck, the cards are the same. And the result will be appropriate.
      If there is a state council, then the Federation Council needs to be removed altogether .. And the Duma, make the appropriate name. That is, let 5 people think of science, 5 people of medicine, 5 people of business, and so on in all key areas.
    4. Civil
      Civil 9 July 2020 10: 15
      16
      Why are Boyars needed? To take the anger of slaves on yourself) laughing Directly failed in the Middle Ages) I say, they will not open the border)
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 July 2020 11: 05
      10
      Quote: Bar1
      it would be necessary to look by family name at these "best people of this Russia" and how many of them have property and accounts abroad, and then you can determine their suitability for the people

      I think you will see and hear the "same" faces and surnames that have long been familiar to everyone.
    6. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 July 2020 11: 21
      0
      “I don’t know these people, I haven’t seen - but I can assert the benefits for Russia will be negative” - LOGIC.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 9 July 2020 19: 14
        +5
        "The best people" ... yeah. A veiled return to the notorious "seven bankers" of the 90s, that's what it is - the "state council".
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 9 July 2020 20: 06
        +5
        Quote: Vadim237
        LOGICS

        the logic is that the supreme person has never voiced the need for a radical change in domestic politics. The same person will appoint people pleasant to him ... that’s all the logic
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 10 July 2020 10: 52
          +2
          I will say more simply - a thieves ’gangway or whatever the noble thieves call it.
    7. NordUral
      NordUral 10 July 2020 10: 50
      +1
      Absolutely true statement, Timur!
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 9 July 2020 08: 36
    -13 qualifying.
    Once upon a time in the USSR there was such a state body - the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee
    And what's wrong? The State Council will work more real than the swamp of Parliament. request
    1. AUL
      AUL 9 July 2020 08: 45
      12
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The State Council will work more real than the swamp of Parliament.

      Why's that? And then what will our SF generally have to do?
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 9 July 2020 09: 57
        26
        Quote: AUL
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        The State Council will work more real than the swamp of Parliament.

        Why's that? And then what will our SF generally have to do?

        Life corruption.
        1. don-1500
          don-1500 9 July 2020 10: 40
          17
          Arashukovs produce, in front of Matvienka
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 9 July 2020 10: 10
        +7
        Quote: AUL
        And then what will our SF generally have to do?

        Since there’s nothing to let go home, we’ll save a ton of money. Anyway, some truant. repeat
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 9 July 2020 08: 47
      15
      The State Council ensures the functioning and interaction of all authorities, which means that they are subordinate to it. That is, he is the most important.
      Then the State Duma should be reduced to 30 percent, and the Federation Council is a sump of old people and is not needed at all!
      1. unaha
        unaha 9 July 2020 10: 56
        +4
        "Council of the Federation is a sump of old people and is not needed at all" - which means it is not needed! And where are they important "to defend" that will be, after honorable resignations? What, is it really in "circulation" !?
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 9 July 2020 11: 09
          12
          Quote: unaha
          not needed!

          And let them live according to the laws they adopted, like a "simple engineer"! No.
          1. And
            And 9 July 2020 11: 23
            +9
            Good day. Not for that, article 95 was changed to disperse. As I understand it, now the number of members of the Federation Council will also increase, plus a certain part of them will remain for life, and with each new president the number of married will increase.
            1. unaha
              unaha 9 July 2020 11: 54
              +8
              Quote: And
              Good day. Not for that, article 95 was changed to disperse. As I understand it, now the number of members of the Federation Council will also increase, plus a certain part of them will remain for life, and with each new president the number of married will increase.

              Go to the House of Lords! ))) Presidents will pick peers ...
              1. And
                And 9 July 2020 12: 31
                +6
                There - there, by analogy, the ability to inherit the title and position must be done)))
                1. lis-ik
                  lis-ik 9 July 2020 13: 53
                  +7
                  Quote: And
                  There - there, by analogy, the ability to inherit the title and position must be done)))

                  So for a long time everything has been transmitted. Only not by law, but by the right of the strong (clinging to the feeding trough).
                  1. And
                    And 9 July 2020 14: 16
                    +5
                    But you probably really want to legalize.
              2. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 9 July 2020 12: 34
                +7
                Quote: And
                will increase.

                I am in the know ..... Pension noble de ... oh! Gentlemen ... hi love
                1. And
                  And 9 July 2020 14: 21
                  +2
                  Not noble ones, but "having outstanding services to the country in the sphere of state and public activities."
                  PS: flowers, hopefully not for me. hi
                  1. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 9 July 2020 15: 30
                    +3
                    Quote: And
                    flowers

                    Flowers for the "Distinguished Service" before retirement. Farewell bouquet. crying
    3. unaha
      unaha 9 July 2020 09: 58
      +4
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Once upon a time in the USSR there was such a state body - the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee
      And what's wrong? The State Council will work more real than the swamp of Parliament. request

      What does the State Council have to do with lawmaking, which is the function of parliament? Why are you confusing the functions of completely different organs?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 9 July 2020 10: 22
        +7
        Quote: unaha
        What does the State Council have to do with lawmaking, which is the function of parliament

        The Federation Council (upper house of Parliament) represents the interests of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation - to remove, as an anachronism, licked from the Western democracies. Business needs to be dealt with, not paper scum. We have enough laws, it is time to cancel.
        1. unaha
          unaha 9 July 2020 11: 06
          0
          "Business needs to be dealt with" - they are engaged (some, at least ... theoretically) - federal subsidies are frozen for their regions)
    4. astepanov
      astepanov 9 July 2020 10: 14
      10
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The State Council will work more real than the swamp of Parliament.

      Yeah. There will be a dozen iPhone on it. Already he will work, do not hesitate.
  3. alma
    alma 9 July 2020 08: 37
    +6
    Well, the cards are starting to open.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 9 July 2020 08: 44
      29
      Do you think that there is a new deck? laughing In vain, this is the same shuffled deck of marked cards.
  4. Junior Warrant Officer
    Junior Warrant Officer 9 July 2020 08: 38
    17
    And who will be in the State Council, as always the most intelligent?
    Khorkina, Kabaeva, Tereshkova, Cord, Kandelaki and others ...
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 9 July 2020 08: 52
      -1
      Quote: Junior Warrant Officer
      And who will be in the State Council, as always the most intelligent?

      There will definitely not be a wagon. repeat
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 9 July 2020 09: 04
      +4
      Quote: Junior Ensign
      And who will be in the State Council, as always the most intelligent?
      Khorkina, Kabaeva, Tereshkova, Cord, Kandelaki and others ...

      Do not remember Zhirkov’s wife?
      -What revolves around what is the earth around the sun or the sun around the earth?
      -And so I go out to breakfast all so painted and combed and will always look at me.
    3. Svetlana
      Svetlana 9 July 2020 09: 41
      +6
      These are not smart, these are media. And there probably won't be any. As there were none like that in the Poltiburo. Like them, like today, they were listed only in deputies of congresses.
    4. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 9 July 2020 09: 54
      +1
      As always 3; 7; T.
      , the evening is approaching, and ... "
    5. alone
      alone 9 July 2020 10: 33
      +6
      Quote: Junior Warrant Officer
      who in the State Council will be, as always, the smartest?
      Khorkina, Kabaeva, Tereshkova, Cord, Kandelaki and others ...

      Valuev do not forget .. The State Council is incapable without him wassat wassat
  5. Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 9 July 2020 08: 42
    +7
    That's interesting, but who will steer it? wink repeat wassat "Plagued by vague doubts" (C)
  6. prior
    prior 9 July 2020 08: 42
    32
    "Naughty Monkey,
    Donkey,
    Kazel
    Yes clubfoot Bear
    We decided to play the Quartet. "


    They lacked only the State Council ....
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 July 2020 09: 00
      11
      Quote: prior
      "Naughty Monkey,
      Donkey,
      Kazel
      Yes clubfoot Bear
      We decided to play the Quartet. "

      Ahead :))))
      1. helmi8
        helmi8 9 July 2020 10: 48
        +6
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Ahead :))))

        There are other words from the same place: "And you, friends, how do not sit down ..." wink
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 July 2020 11: 56
          +6
          Quote: helmi8
          There are other words from the same place: "And you, friends, how do not sit down ..."

          so I wrote them after reading the article (comment below), and only then, when I began to read the comments, I saw that I was not the first to remember Krylov ...
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 9 July 2020 08: 44
    +7
    . But if he had a limited circle of smart, honest and competent specialists who are well versed in economics, law, politics, military affairs and other areas

    It will be possible to compete in wit / slander ...
    And all of the people, our history sayings, sayings and jokes !!!
    "At seven nannies, a child without an eye", "Who protects / protects / distributes, he has!" .....
    who else can add, who is bigger and ....
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 9 July 2020 09: 01
      11
      Seven nannies have fourteen boobs.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 July 2020 09: 35
        +2
        So yes, but we haven’t recited this before.
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 9 July 2020 13: 56
        +1
        Quote: Pereira
        Seven nannies have fourteen boobs.

        Cool. It is necessary to lock and screw something in a conversation. I have not heard before.
  8. Poetry
    Poetry 9 July 2020 08: 47
    0
    It all depends on the quality composition of this Council itself. People should be impeccable, not causing any doubt in anyone.
    1. Pavel Amarok
      Pavel Amarok 9 July 2020 09: 45
      +3
      Where to find such people?
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 9 July 2020 09: 49
        +2
        "Do you see a gopher?" - "No"
        "And he is."
        Can't we find good people?
        1. Pavel Amarok
          Pavel Amarok 9 July 2020 09: 52
          12
          There are plenty of good ones. But not in power structures. Well this is a closed club, in fact.
          1. Poetry
            Poetry 9 July 2020 09: 54
            +2
            There is no arguing. Some of Putin’s entourage raises many questions. They stuck to the tit, you won’t drag it by the ears.
            1. mdsr
              mdsr 9 July 2020 12: 23
              +6
              Quote: Poetiszaugla
              Some of Putin’s entourage raises many questions.

              What are you politically correct, however. If we discard political correctness, the phrase will sound like this: Putin collected 20 years around himself. Noble company gathered fellow
              1. CT-55_11-9009
                CT-55_11-9009 14 July 2020 12: 20
                0
                Quote: mdsr
                What are you politically correct, however. If we discard political correctness, the phrase will sound like this: Putin has been collecting around himself for 20 years. Noble company gathered

                And now everyone would be on the same vessel, as in that joke ... "Not for that I gathered you, ..., ten years on one ship!"
    2. unaha
      unaha 9 July 2020 10: 01
      0
      So it will be ... "impeccable, no doubt", but not all ... who need it.
  9. An64
    An64 9 July 2020 08: 49
    18
    In the Russian Federation, such a body does not exist, but it may well arise. And his name is the State Council

    Are you serious? We have the Politburo and the General Secretary, and the Tsar-Father and Grishka Rasputin - all rolled into one. All other organs are "approved!" and "the right decision !!!" (from)
  10. Russ
    Russ 9 July 2020 08: 50
    +1
    Get out of the dusk! ??????
  11. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 July 2020 08: 59
    19
    Regarding the thoughts of the author. Everything seems to be logical, but Krylov once spoke much more succinctly and succinctly:
    "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down, all musicians are not suitable"
  12. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 9 July 2020 09: 02
    +5
    Article without author, funny. Or ashamed to subscribe to this ?!
  13. populist
    populist 9 July 2020 09: 12
    +3

    By the way, about functions and powers. According to the adopted amendment, the status of the State Council is determined by federal law. He is not yet ...

    And what should we fantasize about if there is no “phenomenon” itself?
    defines federal law. He is not there yet, but he will probably be accepted

    It’s not otherwise wink
    I'm not a lawyer, but I’ll try to figure it out

    It would be interesting to know who this "I" is. "The author in the studio"
    But if he had a limited circle of smart, honest and competent specialists who are well versed in economics, law, politics, military affairs and other areas!

    If in 20 years I haven’t scored such, then now I won’t even pick them up. No.
    Why, in old age, gather people more than yourself.
  14. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 9 July 2020 09: 22
    15
    circle of smart, honest and competent specialists
    Thank you, have fun in the morning!
  15. kig
    kig 9 July 2020 09: 23
    12
    That is, the author wants to say that twenty years ago a certain council was formed that blew the president’s ears all this time, and as a result, a country that claims to be a world power still sells natural resources, in exchange buys technologies for extracting resources, and Does the budget depend on world prices for natural resources? Or does the president determine the strategy? Well then, then, at the conservatory, not everything is all right. (This is according to Zhvanetsky, if someone does not understand)
  16. Van 16
    Van 16 9 July 2020 09: 24
    12
    Just another office with warm places for their own.
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 July 2020 09: 36
    +1
    Of course, there are thoughts on this subject, but wait and see how it shows itself.
  18. Doccor18
    Doccor18 9 July 2020 09: 40
    +6
    very little is said there about the most important one, and everything else will be written down in a separate and adopted law ...

    What do you want? Everything is sweet for dessert.
    Now, if next to him was a limited circle of smart, honest and competent specialists, well versed ....

    Well ... And be honest. Where is it just ...
  19. Boris55
    Boris55 9 July 2020 09: 59
    -24 qualifying.
    Once proverbs, sayings, etc. are sent, I will give you one of the folk wisdom:
    "One head it's good, but two better".

    The State Council is formed:

    "... Members of the State Council are the Chairman of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, the Chairman of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, the plenipotentiary representatives of the President of the Russian Federation in federal districts, senior officials (heads of the highest executive bodies of state power) of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, leaders of factions in the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation ... ". http://www.kremlin.ru/structure/state-council/members

    Do they not know how the laws adopted by the Duma work on the ground or do not work, and why? Such a structure as the state council improves the quality of management - what's wrong with that?

    Feedback is vital to any management structure.

    I understand that our enemies need the government to act on the principle: "The rooster crowed, but at least don't bloom there". Those who are against this body, whose trenches are you in?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 July 2020 10: 41
      +7
      Quote: Boris55
      Do they not know how the laws adopted by the Duma work on the ground or do not work, and why?

      Not to them.
      Quote: Boris55
      Plenipotentiaries of the President of the Russian Federation in federal districts

      When EMNIP Zhvanetsky deciphered the word "authorized" as "fell wet" - this is about them. This people on the current state of affairs ... generally purple
      Quote: Boris55
      top officials (heads of the highest executive bodies of state power) of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation

      And these will hold onto their seats. And you can stay on the chair if you clap loudly, look in your mouth, and report on local successes, even if there are no successes. So no real
      Quote: Boris55
      Feedback is vital to any management structure.

      will not be in such a body in principle
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 9 July 2020 11: 12
        -18 qualifying.
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Not him

        And to whom? They are all elected and re-elected by us. They live where we are. Constantly with us, through the reception and just at different meetings, communicate.

        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        These people on the current state of affairs ... generally violet

        When people do not pay attention to politics - this is one of the signs of good work of the authorities.

        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        And these will hold onto their seats

        And let them hold on, only now to stay in their chairs, they will have to work. Now, not only the president will swell one for all, but they too.

        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        will not be in such a body in principle

        They will be and how they will be. This body will include representatives of different clans and the struggle between them will only escalate. They will knock on each other for a sweet soul. They are not used to, in the 38th passed. Only if they planted it now, now - of their own free will, to whom to retire, to someone to the machine, and to London with a scarf around his neck and a chic bathtub ...

        Enough of them hiding behind the president’s back, doing what they want and nothing to answer for.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 July 2020 12: 00
          15
          Quote: Boris55
          And to whom? They are all elected and re-elected by us.

          The president's representatives were elected by the president, not by us. Governors were appointed for a long time, and, in fact, they remain so now. Election of governors is usually a fiction - they give a protege of the Kremlin and 2-3 unknown (or obviously unfit) "candidates". That is, the elections are profane.
          Quote: Boris55
          When people do not pay attention to politics - this is one of the signs of good work of the authorities.

          Only here I was talking not about the people, but about the representatives of the president in the regions :)))
          Quote: Boris55
          And let them hold on, only now to stay in their chairs, they will have to work. Now, not only the president will swell one for all, but they too.

          Yes, why? The State Council adds nothing to the existing management structure. And the necessary control measures can be implemented without a state council.
          Quote: Boris55
          They will be and how they will be. This body will include representatives of different clans and the struggle between them will only escalate. They will knock on each other for a sweet soul.

          There are no representatives of different clans :))) There are Duma members who can only approve of any initiative of the president and governors and representatives of the president in the regions that are appointed to them.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 9 July 2020 12: 34
            -13 qualifying.
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            There are no representatives of different clans

            Is.

            "State policy and management in a crowd-" elite "society is an agreement reached on the capabilities of various clan-corporate groupings in using the state structure and system to achieve their narrowly corporate goals."

            Each party in the Duma represents the interests of its clan. I hope you do not have false hopes that everyone can become a deputy, a member of the Federation Council.

            Putin transferred part of his powers to the Duma and the Federation Council and together relieve them of responsibility for their decisions. They will certainly begin to shift responsibility to each other.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 July 2020 13: 25
              10
              Quote: Boris55
              State policy and governance in a crowd- "elite" society is an agreement reached on the capabilities of various clan-corporate groupings to use the state structure and system to achieve their narrowly corporate goals

              Forget :)))) Not our option
              Quote: Boris55
              Each party in the Duma represents the interests of its clan.

              There is ONE party in the Duma - this is the party of United Russia, which expresses the interests of the president of the Russian Federation. The remaining parties are politically amorphous, as they are held only for the sake of imitating a multi-party system and the possibility of a bunching of the protest electorate safe for the authorities. That is, many who disagree with United Russia will vote for the Communists or the Liberal Democratic Party, but the point is that these parties NEVER objected and will not object to the EdRu in anything. That is, they can blather something from the rostrum, but they no longer have a chance to vote by the party against EdRa on a more or less significant issue.
              Quote: Boris55
              I hope you do not have false hopes that everyone can become a deputy.

              In principle, it can. It’s just that you need so much money that not everyone has it. And there is no particular sense in becoming this very deputy - except for the sake of immunity.
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 9 July 2020 10: 48
      -1
      Quote: Boris55
      Those who are against this body, whose trenches are you in?

      the Duma adopts laws, the Federation Council approves laws, the government acts within the framework of legislation, the president vetoes laws, and what will this body do? What to do? Will there be maintenance costs for these people? Is it all too inefficient and costly for the people who feed this breakthrough of the binodrales? Who made the decision to create this body?
    3. WIKI
      WIKI 9 July 2020 10: 49
      0
      Quote: Boris55
      One head is good

      And two mutant laughing !
    4. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 9 July 2020 12: 01
      11
      Quote: Boris55
      Once proverbs, sayings, etc. are sent, I will give you one of the folk wisdom:
      "One head it's good, but two better".

      I remind you of folk wisdom:
      “One head is good, but two are already ugly” ...
      Tell us how the State Council is formed, and at the same time enlighten us, why do we need an extra clamp? Are you aware that in Russia the army of officials will exceed their number in the USSR?
      Quote: Boris55
      I understand that our enemies need the authorities to act according to the principle: "The rooster crowed, but there at least don't bloom." Those who are against this body, are you in whose trenches?

      What an interesting interpretation ... Notice, no one pulled your tongue, but it’s on this principle that for twenty years we have only heard the authorities "crowing" and the dawn has not come. Correctly noticed:
      "The rooster crowed, but at least there don't bloom"

      Terry blooms in a double color, and responsibility for the tasks entrusted simply fades in the bud ...
      75 years after the war ended, and you are at war, all strive to drive someone into the trenches. We do not want to fight, we fought. But I'm tired of listening to various “cocks”.
      Here interesting things tell about future members of the State Council:
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 9 July 2020 12: 42
        -16 qualifying.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        75 years since the war ended, and you all fight

        Wars do not end when. They only go from the hot to the cold phase.

        Voting on amendments to the Constitution showed that 21% (against) + 33% (not voted) = 54% are ready to betray their homeland. The country is split and this could threaten the collapse of the country. See what's happening on the forum.

        Why didn’t I vote ascribed to the enemies?

        Imagine that in some country there is a vote on the issue of interest to us:
        - if less than 50% came to the polls, then to achieve our goal we need to work with the elite.
        - if more than 50% came to the polls, then to achieve our goal we need to work with the people.

        It’s easier for us to bend the elite than to convince the people. So non-voters work for the interests of our enemies.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 9 July 2020 12: 46
          12
          Quote: Boris55
          Imagine that in some country there is a vote on the issue of interest to us:

          Imagine to me, on a large army drum, what Bezrukov and Isinbayev were interested in, what they found there in the amendments, which was not in the laws ...
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 9 July 2020 12: 48
            -17 qualifying.
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Imagine me a big army drum,

            Do not disgrace the avatar.
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 July 2020 13: 28
          14
          Quote: Boris55
          Voting on amendments to the Constitution showed that 21% (against) + 33% (not voted) = 54% are ready to betray their homeland.

          I could say that those who voted for the amendments betrayed their homeland, although I don’t think there were 46% of them. But I won’t say this because many of those who voted simply did not understand what they were voting for.
  20. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 9 July 2020 09: 59
    12
    The cohort of loafers was replenished with another useless structure.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 9 July 2020 10: 59
      0
      There, almost all members will be concurrently: governors, heads of chambers, factions and other post leaders. Maybe the president will specifically appoint several people, but they will be in a clear minority.
  21. mag nit
    mag nit 9 July 2020 10: 25
    +6
    Vespiary.
  22. Region68
    Region68 9 July 2020 10: 30
    -6
    The scoop is coming back .. The old people will gather there and will steer Russia .. Well, well ... The people don’t give a damn what the authorities are doing, so be it ..
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 9 July 2020 10: 55
      +4
      Quote: Region68
      The elders will gather there and will steer Russia

      Trofim has words in one old song - "And the gray-haired demons rule at the helm ..."
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 9 July 2020 12: 50
        +8
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Trofim has words in one old song - "And the gray-haired demons rule at the helm ..."

        And I love Pushkin:
        The sovereign is weak and crafty,
        A bald dandy, the enemy of labor,
        Unintentionally warmed by glory,
        Reigned over us then.
    2. Roman123567
      Roman123567 9 July 2020 12: 38
      +4
      The scoop is coming back .. The old people will gather there and will steer Russia .. Well, well ... The people don’t give a damn what the authorities are doing, so be it ..

      That's the trouble .. that there was a Socialist Union .. and there was a scoop ..
      For some reason, we removed everything good and socialist .. but it’s precisely the shovel that we safely return ..
      1. Region68
        Region68 9 July 2020 13: 23
        +4
        This is exactly what I mean ..
  23. Glory1974
    Glory1974 9 July 2020 10: 35
    +4
    According to some sociologists, the state’s governance system is conditionally divided into 2 types.
    Type 1: feudal war. At the head is the leader (dictator), who makes decisions and pushes through their implementation. Pros: quick response to changes in the situation, the ability to quickly mobilize. Less: a lot of mistakes are made over a long period of time.
    Type 2: expert-collegial. The collective management body is at the head, decisions are made in the discussion field, based on expert recommendations. Pros: development of optimal solutions, fewer mistakes. Minus: the responsibility for the decision made may be blurred, more time is needed for an operational response.
    Example 1 type: Nazi Germany.
    2 types: England since Churchill, the USSR since Stalin.
    If the State Council allows to develop solutions, as in type 2, then this is a plus definitely. if everything comes down to talking, and no one is responsible for the decisions made, then nothing good can be expected from him.
    1. depressant
      depressant 9 July 2020 12: 15
      +5
      Here! Now this is a substantive conversation, Glory 1974.
      Can we influence the possibility of exclusion of the State Council? That is, to be him or not to be? Can not. So, in the given circumstances, we will have to accept its existence as a given and extract from it the maximum benefit for each of us. The State Council was before. But I only heard about it from case to case, the functions were incomprehensible. And all the more, the consequences of his activity were incomprehensible.
      What would I like?

      First, there must be publicity. Not only the agenda, but also all meetings of the State Council should be widely covered by the press and become events in the life of the country. No privacy!

      Secondly, what is being discussed at the State Council if a given decision is made by a government body on the basis of results, and not so much that they chatted and forgot, it should take the form of instructions from the State Duma to develop laws, note with a clear and clear indication of the inevitable responsibility for non-compliance and even for inaccurate execution. Enough of these legislative tenets as feeders for corruption!

      Thirdly, the State Council is obliged to control the activities of the State Duma in the implementation of the instructions for the development of laws given to it. So there must be responsible state advisers, from whom not only the chairman, but also the president will ask for the terms. Those who failed could not simply be driven out of the State Council and the State Duma, but should accompany the exile with the close attention of the prosecutor's office.

      Fourth. The State Council is considering the president’s proposals on the main directions of the country's development, supplementing with something, excluding something. In other words, it approves the life plan of a country with floating deadlines for individual items. That is, it will not be possible to say that this is a five-year plan, or, say, a three-year plan. Indeed, one can be executed quickly, the other is extended in time.

      Fifth. The State Council, considering a set of directions, determines priorities in financing projects. This is the most interesting. If this is so, friction is possible between the governors - members of the State Council.

      In general, much can be invented.
  24. populist
    populist 9 July 2020 10: 50
    +2
    Then we’ll understand whether the State Council will become the main power structure in our country,

    The State Council will never become the main power structure. This is already clear now.
    Why does the cart have a fifth wheel? laughing And who will share the powers with the state council - the president, prime minister, government, and heads of regions? No one will be. No.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 9 July 2020 11: 34
      -2
      This is an honorable link.
  25. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 9 July 2020 10: 55
    +2
    It is rather an advisory coordinating body. The fact that his status will be defined in detail in the ordinary federal law, and the members will be appointed personally by the President, suggests that this is by no means the most important state agency.
  26. Alex66
    Alex66 9 July 2020 11: 02
    +3
    I would believe in a state council if each of its members would be given a real cause for which he would answer with all his family and property and life, as well as the chatter, the worst reincarnation of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 9 July 2020 12: 09
      +8
      Quote: Alex66
      I would believe in the state council if each of its members would be given a real cause for which he would answer with all his and family property and life

      And I would believe in the idea of ​​the State Council, if for outstanding orders the current officials were sent to "life with confiscation." And so ...
      Do not be afraid, sit in the State Council, make decisions for your mind, and then we’ll come up with something.
      And the phrase: "I directed you, I will be responsible for everything" is just a stake in the throat.

      And so let the State Council break off ...
  27. Semenov
    Semenov 9 July 2020 11: 21
    0
    Wait and see.
  28. iouris
    iouris 9 July 2020 11: 41
    -2
    Long live science, long live progress, and the wise policy of the Central Committee of the CPSU!
  29. gridasov
    gridasov 9 July 2020 11: 49
    +2
    People, as always, have a very high opinion of themselves! However, modern conditions in their dynamism of changes and volumes of events require new methods of analysis of such complex interactions. If anyone noticed that mortgage crises, and in fact all artificial crises in general, are not the product of politicians, but mathematicians who invented methods of derivatives, etc. Therefore, success in any crisis situations in Russia directly depends on analysts and big data analysis methods. But! A few years ago, the NSA declared the impossibility of the fact that it was possible to create mathematical technologies for such an analysis with advisory settings. In general, the future belongs to people with new analytical abilities, but neither educated nor literate.
  30. Alexga
    Alexga 9 July 2020 12: 15
    +1
    Well, as an advisory body under the President, this went wherever, but as a government body ???? Brute force!
  31. Roman123567
    Roman123567 9 July 2020 12: 29
    +4
    one of the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation adopted this year changes the structure and functions of the State Council of the Russian Federation radically. And the most interesting thing is that it’s not about the State Council at all, but about the powers of the President

    The State Council ensures the functioning and interaction of all authorities, which means that they are subordinate to it. That is, he is the most important.


    In my opinion, it's all damn blah ..
    In recent years, Putin has had an absolute power in the country .. literally everything is subordinated to him !!
    And all these amendments about functions / structures / functioning are nothing more than rearrangement of beds ..
    1. Region68
      Region68 9 July 2020 13: 28
      0
      Precisely what was the power .. how it will be by the year 24 is unknown.
      It may so happen that it would be undesirable for the elections to go by itself .. Then the president will slip the conditional * Medvedev * and Putin will sit in the State Council and continue to rule
    2. depressant
      depressant 9 July 2020 14: 52
      +4
      Too much power means that it does not exist at all. If Putin has power, then over officials of the highest administrative level, they are afraid of Putin, loss of trust and all that. But for the middle and lower Putin no one. For them, power is a superior official, namely the governor. What he says, they will do it. To say something useful, the State Council must push the governors together with their heads in the struggle for the distribution of national projects in the provinces, therefore, for money and benefits. And then they will begin to argue, follow each other, looking for mistakes, quarrel, in short, interact, which will not go without use for the cause. In addition, the debate on state issues will make them feel that there is a huge country whose interests should be higher than the interests of a single governor. And now they are all as if on islands separated by straits. If they interact, then surely according to corruption schemes.
      And further. I really do not like how the meetings with Putin go. Let's say in the Kremlin. A giant palace hall, gilding, pomposity, an equally gigantic U-shaped table. You can communicate only with the neighbor on the right and the neighbor on the left. Each of the others is separated as if by a multi-kilometer vacuum. Only Putin can behave relaxedly. Because everything is not at ease. Tense. Everyone is unpleasant. Everyone thinks of only one thing, when will it all end. It’s written directly on their faces. The sacredness of supreme power? In such an environment, decent solutions are not worked out. They can’t even be born in it, only imitation. It’s easier to be, easier. If the State Council, then in an environment suitable for communication with each one. And then, as on the occasion of death.
  32. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 9 July 2020 14: 01
    +1
    It takes another 10 years to really worthy people in the State Council.
    And the laws that only take them worked.
    And so an incomprehensible situation.
    Confusing.
  33. Esaul
    Esaul 9 July 2020 14: 27
    +2
    What do you think will be the option?
    1) Oh, now Putin will elect the most intelligent, honest and worthy citizens of the country to the State Council, and now they will improve life in the country and make Russia a superpower again! The people will finally live humanly and even the Swiss will envy us.
    2) Oh, now Putin will choose his friends in the state council, how they will start joking there more than ever, impose new duties and taxes on the population, seize the remaining wealth, take trillions of rubles offshore and Russia will become only a raw materials appendage to the world, but for its own population concentration camp.
  34. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 9 July 2020 14: 55
    +3
    Amendments to the Constitution about the State Council were proposed BEFORE ... uh ... one mamsel (this would be to write without a mat love ) suggested not trifling and announcing to the whole world about the lifelong Presidency of Zeroed ... In theory, Putin would become the Head of the State Council and continue to rule the country ... and now ... I’m even interested in what powers will be prescribed for the State Council laughing tongue
  35. evgen1221
    evgen1221 9 July 2020 17: 05
    +4
    And with what kind of merit did the iPhone become lifelong?
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 9 July 2020 17: 14
      +2
      laughing
      Quote: evgen1221
      And with what kind of merit did the iPhone become lifelong?


      Exactly July 4 - how Putin signed the amendments
  36. evgen1221
    evgen1221 9 July 2020 17: 05
    +2
    And with what kind of merit did the iPhone become lifelong?
  37. Tektor
    Tektor 9 July 2020 18: 21
    +4
    The State Council is no different from other irresponsible collective authorities. Since collective means irresponsible. A particular person should always be responsible for a specific result, otherwise there will be thousands of reasons why the result did not happen. Therefore, the main function of the state council can be only one - the appointment of specific persons responsible for the task entrusted.
  38. pepel
    pepel 9 July 2020 22: 59
    +1
    The functions of the State Council should include the function of observing the continuity of policies, both internal and external, regardless of the political and economic preferences of the new president after the elections. That would not appear such "reformers" as Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and such as the current liberals, who to the ground destroy everything created by their predecessor, and on the rubble "create" do not understand what. The State Council should have the right to prevent destructive changes by the successor, something like that.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 10 July 2020 14: 36
      +1
      Pepel, you say funny things, and you yourself try to believe it. Take a look at history, at least in the official version. One of many similar examples: the accession of Anna Ioannovna with her gang, and how the Supreme Privy Council tried to limit it, and how the "supreme leaders" ended up and how quickly. There are many such examples in history. As a rule, all sorts of such "state councils" are created by people who initially understand that they will not be allowed to rule alone, that they will not be able to play the role of a leader individually, but "compensate" for the inconvenient need for a doggorn with the same - they compensate by avoiding personification of power and personal responsibility. All this is as old as the World! - We are waiting for the Council of authorized representatives of the Russian oligarchy, where there will not be a single person capable of repeating Putin's "charisma". That is why all the fuss.
  39. faterdom
    faterdom 10 July 2020 00: 11
    +1
    Quote: depressant
    It’s easier to be, easier. If the State Council, then in an environment suitable for communication with each one. And then, as on the occasion of death.

    So it was already, and there is no need to invent .. "Inner circle", they are also the executors of ideas, without unnecessary "parliamentarians" there ... Beria, Molotov, Malenkov, Kaganovich, Mikoyan, Khrushchev ... But the latter is in vain They entered there, he then avenged him for his hopak all over the wound.
  40. andrew42
    andrew42 10 July 2020 14: 25
    +1
    Without state ideology, any State Council-Pedagogical Council will not change anything in the country's movement (I deliberately do not use the term "development"). The problem is that the majority of Russians live in the Country, while the rest of the "inside the Moscow Ring Road" live in "their own State", and to the Country, that is, to the people, they are deeply purple. The modern ideology, stubbornly not disclosed, is "Salvage wins evil", and how "patriotic salvage" wins everything in general, including true patriotism, because it always puts the personal interests of the "patriotic moneymaker" above the common interests of citizens of the whole country. The State Council will essentially be the Council of the Oligarchs (the largest capital), in the form of their authorized representatives. In general, everything is decided by the political system, and not some kind of "structure". If there is no coverage area, it does not matter what is in your hands - a pager, a button, a smartphone or a tablet - you will not be able to communicate.
  41. georggy
    georggy 10 July 2020 15: 27
    +2
    Today, all this is fraud against the backdrop of a mess and robbery of the country.
  42. Whose Whose
    Whose Whose 10 July 2020 15: 46
    +2
    And there is no need to approach legal texts with the usual everyday logic! Ensuring consistency and interoperability is called coordination in one word. And this does not mean "submission" at all.
  43. Serpet
    Serpet 10 July 2020 16: 05
    +9
    That's what it was all about.
  44. Revival
    Revival 10 July 2020 17: 10
    +2
    "But if there was a limited circle of smart, honest and competent specialists next to him, well versed in economics, law, politics, military affairs and other areas!"

    Well then, come ....
  45. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 12 July 2020 13: 48
    +1
    "Then we will understand"
    What will be the next superstructure, such as the Senate-2.
    Will former President Medvedev sit there? Gorbachev? friends of the Sobchaki family? Kudriny? Chubais?
  46. nikant
    nikant 13 July 2020 14: 28
    0
    just look at the photo: how many parasites-millionaires with their bases (villas, yachts, real estate, children, girlfriends, deposits) in the west !!! and this is a bunch of patriots?