Oddities of democracy: there were voting on amendments; there was no voting on pension age

Only the lazy did not discuss the results of the vote on the proposed amendments to the Constitution. This vote (if suddenly someone is still not in the know) took place at a turnout of about 65 percent. About 78% of those who voted in favor of the amendments, slightly more than 21% against. This is the CEC data.

One of the topics discussed on this vote is connected with the following: Why did the authorities not dare to invite people to vote on an equally important issue - the issue of pension legislation last year? Without any consideration of the opinion of the people, the retirement age has been increased. But now for some reason it turned out to be necessary to ask the opinion of the people. At least not logical. The strangeness of democracy.

Konstantin Semin in his author’s program “Agitprop” notes with an ironic approach that it is then necessary to propose voting on the issue of landfills, on the privatization of reserves, on “perpetuating” the exam, etc.

Konstantin Semin on the approach to those who opposed:

See: “today you are rocking the boat with Soros’s money, and tomorrow you are already a representative of an insignificant, unconvincing minority.”

The author recalls how the public relations campaign on pension reform was conducted. Everything was presented as if the people themselves were dreaming of retiring later. Plots about old people who are ready to travel the world, who are still not averse to work then flooded news ethers.

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[BIABIA]

Weird question. The answer is obvious ...

[Svarog]

Quote: BIABIA

Weird question. The answer is obvious ...

Indeed, the answer is on the surface. Where it is profitable for the "elite" there is voting, where it is not profitable, no. Sharpshooters and thimblers and this obvious fact is clear to all sane people.

[St Petrov]

all sane understood.

fair-faced elves who are ready to lead Russia into a brighter future.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Svarog

Where it is profitable for the "elite" there is voting, where it is not profitable, no. Shulers and thimbles and this obvious fact is clear to all sane.

Absolutely right! Especially when you read the Amendment No. 20, adopted at a wholesale vote, to Article 95 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

According to this AMENDMENT to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the Presidents of the Russian Federation and 7 senators (i.e. members of the Council of the Federation of the Russian Federation) by decision of the president of the Russian Federation very nice LIFE warmly settled - pass LIFE into senators of the Federation Council. Namely

Amendment 20) Article 95 shall be amended as follows:
“Article 95 (Who is on the Federation Council)
1. The Federal Assembly consists of two chambers - the Federation Council and the State Duma.
2. The Federation Council consists from senators Russian Federation.
The Federation Council includes:
a) two representatives from each subject of the Russian Federation: one from the legislative (representative)
and executive bodies of state power - for the term of office of the relevant body;
b) The President of the Russian Federation who has ceased to exercise his powers due to the expiration of his term in office or ahead of schedule in the event of his resignation - LIFETIME. The President of the Russian Federation, who has ceased to exercise his powers due to the expiration of his term in office or ahead of schedule in the event of his resignation, has the right to renounce the powers of the Senator of the Russian Federation;
c) no more than 30 representatives of the Russian Federation appointed by the President of the Russian Federation, of which no more than 7 can be assigned LIFE.

Today Matvienko has already congratulated the members of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation on their transfer to the status of SENATORS.
Soon we will reach the Russian Federation and "Lords", as in England!

[Tatyana]

Well, today, Speaker of the Federation Council Valentina Matvienko said kaak, answering the corresponding question:
Dmitry Medvedev, as the former Russian president, WILL NOT AUTOMATICALLY get the seat of a LIFE senator, for for this it is necessary to adopt a law.

And what do you think, the corresponding law will be adopted and how soon will it be adopted?

Here is the mechanism for the formation of LIFETIME noble nobility in the Russian Federation! And this is just the beginning! And about the "love" of the people to Medvedev it is better to keep silent altogether!

It is noteworthy that the amendment No. 20 in advertising amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, for example on radio Russia, before the vote, no one ever even stuttered. There was complete deathly silence.

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Tatiana

Well, today, Speaker of the Federation Council Valentina Matvienko said kaak, answering the corresponding question:
Dmitry Medvedev, as the former Russian president, WILL NOT AUTOMATICALLY get the seat of a LIFE senator, for for this it is necessary to adopt a law.

And what do you think, the corresponding law will be adopted and how soon will it be adopted?

Here is the mechanism for the formation of LIFETIME noble nobility in the Russian Federation! And this is just the beginning! And about the "love" of the people to Medvedev it is better to keep silent altogether!

It is noteworthy that the amendment No. 20 in advertising amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, for example on radio Russia, before the vote, no one ever even stuttered. There was complete deathly silence.

Speaker of the Federation Council Valentina Matvienko - unfortunately (or fortunately ) DOES NOT know the Laws of the Russian Federation, for since the Constitution has been adopted in the new edition - both Putin and Medvedev - as former presidents of the Russian Federation - are ALREADY inviolable for life !!!

[Sergej1972]

It was in the old edition.

[helmi8]

Quote: Tatiana

It is noteworthy at the same time that no one had even stuttered about Amendment No. 20 in advertising amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, for example, on Radio Russia, before the vote. There was complete deathly silence.

Therefore, they voted immediately for the entire list.
On the other hand, what is the point of this vote, if only a Presidential Decree is needed to adopt the amendments? "Calculate" the percentage of people's trust? It's not even funny anymore ...

[bandabas]

And by the way, about the "love" of the people for Matvienko. One field of berries.

[Charik]

presidential path and senatemedved is the future someone voted for

[paul3390]

And what - did someone really believe in the results of this type of "voting" ???

[Vend]

Quote: paul3390

And what - did someone really believe in the results of this type of "voting" ???

Here is the answer

[Vend]

Quote: BIABIA

Weird question. The answer is obvious ...

The answer is really obvious, but the throats don't know him.
The Constitution does not regulate the retirement age; it is in the law of federal law. And laws in any country are the prerogative of the state, not the people's choice. The Constitution and the Federal Law are two different things, because they made a vote for changes to the Constitution. Although they could only resolve this issue at the Constitutional Assembly, it was necessary to show the enemies that Russia no longer belonged to them.
Now this minority comes out of bile and spits on those who voted FOR

[doubovitski]

Quote: Wend

Quote: BIABIA

Weird question. The answer is obvious ...

The answer is really obvious, but the throats don't know him.
The Constitution does not regulate the retirement age; it is in the law of federal law. And laws in any country are the prerogative of the state, not the people's choice. The Constitution and the Federal Law are two different things, because they made a vote for changes to the Constitution. Although they could only resolve this issue at the Constitutional Assembly, it was necessary to show the enemies that Russia no longer belonged to them.
Now this minority comes out of bile and spits on those who voted FOR

. If such an issue were resolved by questioning, voting, referendum, then a pension would be assigned before BIRTH. They were completely off the rails.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: doubovitski

pension would be assigned before birth

The UAE has a similar theme. Revenues from their country's natural resources go into the pockets of all their citizens right from the moment they are born.

Quote: doubovitski

They were completely off the rails

And don’t talk. So let’s make sure that the oligarchs will have nothing to take offshore from the country.

[Sergej1972]

There are no citizens in the UAE; there are citizens of each of the emirates entering the country. And the standard of living in different emirates is different.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Sergej1972

There are no citizens in the UAE

At least one is - our senator Arashukov. Do not remember?
A residence permit, of course, is not yet citizenship. But I think the meaning is clear. Emirates are a federal state.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Wend

The Constitution does not regulate the retirement age; it is in the law of federal law.

h. 2 tbsp. 55 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation: "In the Russian Federation No laws should be enacted repealing or diminishing human and civil rights and freedoms ".
It is clear and clear that the newly created laws must either maintain the status quo, providing the citizen with the right to retire as before, or improve the position of the citizen - allowing him to retire earlier. Everything else is unconstitutional.

[Vend]

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: Wend

The Constitution does not regulate the retirement age; it is in the law of federal law.

h. 2 tbsp. 55 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation: "In the Russian Federation No laws should be enacted repealing or diminishing human and civil rights and freedoms ".
It is clear and clear that the newly created laws must either maintain the status quo, providing the citizen with the right to retire as before, or improve the position of the citizen - allowing him to retire earlier. Everything else is unconstitutional.

If the changes concern chapters: 1 ("Fundamentals of the constitutional system"), 2 ("Human and civil rights and freedoms") and 9 ("Constitutional amendments and revision of the Constitution"), then if the proposal is supported by three fifths of the votes of the total number of members Of the Federation Council and deputies of the State Duma, the Constitutional Assembly is convened, at which they either agree to leave the constitution unchanged, or develop a new draft. A new constitution is adopted by a vote of the Constitutional Assembly (at least two-thirds of the votes of the total number of members) or it is put to a popular vote (more than half of the voters who took part in the vote must vote for the new draft, provided that more than half of the voters living in it took part in the country).

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Wend

If changes

As the notorious pension reform has shown, in order to do something contrary to the Constitution, it is not necessary to change it - you can simply violate it. They write about this to you, indicating the difference in this and that moment.

[Vend]

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: Wend

If changes

As the notorious pension reform has shown, in order to do something contrary to the Constitution, it is not necessary to change it - you can simply violate it. They write about this to you, indicating the difference in this and that moment.

And nobody violated the Constitution

[WIKI]

Quote: Wend

The Constitution does not regulate the retirement age; it is in the law of federal law. And laws in any country are the prerogative of the state, not the people's choice.

Then why include in the constitution what is currently regulated by existing laws (Prohibition of citizenship or residence permit in foreign countries already exists, Accounts in foreign banks, Foreign real estate.) Due to sclerosis, they probably forgot to ban officials from owning property abroad .

[Vend]

Quote: WIKI

Quote: Wend

The Constitution does not regulate the retirement age; it is in the law of federal law. And laws in any country are the prerogative of the state, not the people's choice.

Then why include in the constitution what is currently regulated by existing laws (Prohibition of citizenship or residence permit in foreign countries already exists, Accounts in foreign banks, Foreign real estate.) Due to sclerosis, they probably forgot to ban officials from owning property abroad .

And you try to pay for property abroad without a foreign account

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Wend

And you try to pay for property abroad without a foreign account

Bet? If I pay, you will pay the entire amount that I will pay. I am ready to conclude an agreement with you on such conditions.

[Vend]

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: Wend

And you try to pay for property abroad without a foreign account

Bet? If I pay, you will pay the entire amount that I will pay. I am ready to conclude an agreement with you on such conditions.

Have you thought before you write? Pay and the tax will know about it that evening The meaning of foreign accounts is that Russian services do not have access to them you are our debater

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Wend

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: Wend

And you try to pay for property abroad without a foreign account

Bet? If I pay, you will pay the entire amount that I will pay. I am ready to conclude an agreement with you on such conditions.

Have you thought before you write? Pay and the tax will know about it that evening The meaning of foreign accounts is that Russian services do not have access to them you are our debater

Appeal to Wend
You bet you conclude, about the fact that it is NOT possible to buy property abroad without a foreign account
And then, as you lose, I will give you a consultation with 50 percent discount that you were wrong - and we will arrange a GREAT megapyanka for the remaining 50 percent of the payment of my consultation - we can even invite everyone to participate in it !!!

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Wend

taxation

I hope that you were ashamed enough for your mistake.

[Vend]

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: Wend

taxation

I hope that you were ashamed enough for your mistake.

And is that all you could answer me? Everyone has mistakes, ashamed of them is the last thing, mistakes are corrected, and not ashamed of them And learn from mistakes.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Wend

it's all

All. You did not seem to me an interesting conversationalist.

[Vend]

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: Wend

it's all

All. You did not seem to me an interesting conversationalist.

yes who would doubt

[WIKI]

Pavel Krasheninnikov is the head of the State Duma Committee on Legislation: "And if suddenly some businessman decided to suddenly be elected to a deputy, he was elected, for example, to the State Duma. Why is he such a right (to property abroad. - A.G.) has? If he declares this, if he has this property, is it legal? If he received it (acquired) normally, not by means of fraud? Why should we have a presumption of guilt? " Then how to maintain this property without an account?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: WIKI

How to service this property without an account?

In the same way as millions of Russians buy goods directly from foreign suppliers.
Internet acquiring, foreign currency account, a legal entity opened in a foreign jurisdiction (then the account in a foreign bank is not yours - but a legal entity). The latter scheme also allows the official, whom the new constitution "strictly forbids" to have accounts over the hill, playfully continue to withdraw money from the country to the accounts of foreign banks. Oh God! Didn't the drafters of the amendments know about this ?! Yeah ...

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Wend

The Constitution does not regulate the retirement age, it is in the law of federal law

Constitution of the Russian Federation, Article 7
Article 7
1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of a person.
Increasing the retirement age directly worsens a person’s life, and even more so harms his free development. Directly yes, it does not regulate, but it is forbidden to degrade as it were. And raising the retirement age directly contradicts both the letter and the spirit of the Constitution. And all those who support him are undermining the constitutional system. Those who signed and promoted it under this decision ...

Federal Law of July 25, 2002 N 114-FZ "On Counteracting Extremist Activity".
For the purposes of this Federal Law, the following basic concepts apply:
1) extremist activity (extremism):
violent change in the foundations of the constitutional system
The Constitution prohibits lawfully worsening the life of citizens, and it is the basic law. Consequently, all bamazhki adopted contrary to the constitution are illegal. So gentlemen act outside the legal field, i.e. forcibly.

Article 282.1 of the Criminal Code. Extremist community organization
Article 282.2 of the Criminal Code. Organization of extremist organization

Now, if you look at the spirit and letter of the laws, then all our deputies, ministers and the guarantor must go to these two articles. By the way, very fashionable now.

[barin]

If such a vote took place, the result "70-80% - FOR" would look ridiculous. So they did not dare.

[St Petrov]

Oddities of democracy: there were voting on amendments; there was no voting on pension age

so this is degeneration. And would you, in a clear mind and sober memory, as president, ask the people about raising the retirement age, the price of gasoline and taxes?

And what would this referendum form look like?

Do you want a tax increase? And two answers, yes and no?
Do you want to increase your retirement age? And also two answers

This is complete degeneration

[Svarog]

Quote: s-t Petrov

This is complete degeneration

Your manner of expressing your thoughts is "degradation", and the pension reform affects the whole society and the issue is fundamentally important.

[St Petrov]

Are you really recruiting an ad?
How are you with logic?

[AU Ivanov.]

Tell me, in which country was the referendum on increasing the retirement age? And how many citizens do you think will vote "yes"?

[Svarog]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Tell me, in which country was the referendum on increasing the retirement age?

Now in all countries (practically) one and the same system, capitalist, has reigned, and in this system, the role of the citizen is to pay .. Therefore, it is not correct to compare with other countries .. Although in France, they achieved the abolition of tax increases and other "naughty", but for you, this comparison is not kosher .. the French did not act democratically ..

And how many citizens do you think will vote "yes"?

Democracy is a political system based on the method of collective decision-making with equal impact of participants on the outcome of the process or on its significant stages.
Accordingly, your question is again not appropriate. If we are a democratic society and there is a question that interests everyone, then we need a referendum or a vote. And if it is known in advance that no one will vote FOR, then you don’t even have to stutter about it .. You need to look for other possibilities. But it’s not customary with us .. to look for them is lazy .. it’s much easier to strip them off ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Svarog

Now in all countries (practically) the same system has reigned supreme - the capitalist system and in this system, the role of the citizen to pay.

It is true that the capitalist system is everywhere, now there are no countries with a socialist system. So people pay everywhere.

[Sklendarka]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

Tell me, in which country was the referendum on increasing the retirement age? And how many citizens do you think will vote "yes"?

In Switzerland, there was a referendum on the payment of about a thousand euros per month to every citizen of the country; The electorate refused and said NO !!!

[Tochilka]

As president, one must strictly ask ministers for the fulfillment of the task.
And quite possibly, there would be nothing of the kind (raising the retirement age and amendments). IMHO.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: s-t Petrov

This is complete degeneration

Degrading is to introduce anti-people laws that worsen the lives of ordinary people, degrading is spending billions of taxpayer rubles on farce voting. Degrodism to compensate for the profits of the oligarchs at our expense by introducing duties on the import of cheap gasoline.
And even more complete degeneration is to justify all this.

[Svarog]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And even more complete degeneration is to justify all this.

Here it is .. not even degeneration .. and the complete absence of a head .. they only use their head to eat there ..

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Svarog

a complete lack of head

They have no conscience, Volodya, and banal intuition. When they bring the people to the handle, they will dump the top of the hill, and these here will remain with us.

[St Petrov]

When they bring the people to the handle

when? Can a man give a prediction when he ceases to endure? Atleast approximately? I’m not only about you personally, I’m about your zeroed tribe of twin cities

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Ingvar 72

They have no conscience, Volodya, and banal intuition.

Greetings, Kamrad! The current government did not have the concept of conscience initially.
First, they destroyed our country, then they took away the bowels and property of the means of production, then they corrupted our souls, and now they have come for our lives.

[St Petrov]

First, they destroyed our country, then they took away the bowels and property of the means of production, then they corrupted our souls, and now they have come for our lives.

is it time to get up to the bar, or not yet?
What do comrades say? Bear with it yet?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: s-t Petrov

And would you, in a clear mind and sober memory, as president, ask the people about raising the retirement age, the price of gasoline and taxes?

You explain to us what degradation is.
In a clear mind and sober memory, the President of the Russian Federation takes the oath:

In the exercise of the powers of the President of the Russian Federation, I swear to respect and protect the rights and freedoms of man and citizen, to observe and protect the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to protect sovereignty and independence, security and integrity of the state, faithfully serve the people.

Therefore, the people have the right to demand from the guarantor compliance with obligations and expect him to improve their social status ...
You do not tell us here about the whiteness and fluffiness of some officials. They cannot love their people, they cannot achieve growth in their numbers ... Let them go to retirement, and not zero out. Such guarantors in any casino are a dime a dozen.

[St Petrov]

Let them retire, and not nullify.

well, so far we just zeroed you

Such guarantors in any casino a dime a dozen

why haven’t you found anyone better than a clown sternum?

[Machito]

Quote: c-Petrov

Let them retire, and not nullify.

well, so far we just zeroed you

Such guarantors in any casino a dime a dozen

why haven’t you found anyone better than a clown sternum?

If you are the director of a poultry farm, and your livestock are reduced every year, the chickens are getting thinner, are you a successful leader?
The population of Russia is dying. The president and the government are to blame. Instead of responsibility for their mediocrity, and perhaps wrecking, we are told tales that the war ended 75 years ago is to blame, and they are carrying a blizzard about Polovtsy and Pechenegs. And the ice age is not guilty of the extinction of mammoths and Russians?

[doubovitski]

Quote: c-Petrov

Oddities of democracy: there were voting on amendments; there was no voting on pension age

so this is degeneration. And would you, in a clear mind and sober memory, as president, ask the people about raising the retirement age, the price of gasoline and taxes?

And what would this referendum form look like?

Do you want a tax increase? And two answers, yes and no?
Do you want to increase your retirement age? And also two answers

This is complete degeneration

If, indeed, beat, then beat competently, and in the face. A referendum on each law, or on each article of the law? If we hold a referendum on each letter in the law, then we will die of hunger. Will not work when. The retirement age is stipulated NOT by the Constitution, but by law, which is adopted in the prescribed manner by the State Duma.

[Svarog]

Quote: barin

If such a vote took place, the result "70-80% - FOR" would look ridiculous. So they did not dare.

I would not be surprised if 70% supported pension reform following the results of the vote ... although this is absolutely ridiculous.

[St Petrov]

but nothing works in my head?
Well, the very essence of posing the question is game.

People will never vote for taxes. I would look at the Papuans - who would decide to ask their people - whether he wants to pay taxes and in what amount

[Woodman]

Quote: s-t Petrov

I would look at the Papuans - who would decide to ask their people - whether he wants to pay taxes and in what amount

Just democracy and populism are two different things ...

[St Petrov]

Well, our emo commies from the site (and there is still a whole sect that does not recognize the documents of the Russian Federation, the same insane tribe) choose populism. and this is not surprising.

Apparently, their motto is - we’ve pumped the USSR, we’ll pump Russia

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lesovik

Just democracy and populism are two different things ...

Democracy, these are simply beautiful words for the people, but in reality it does not exist anywhere and did not exist.

[Svarog]

Quote: s-t Petrov

I would look at the Papuans - who would decide to ask their people - whether he wants to pay taxes and in what amount

There is no need to compare us with the Papuans .. although we are moving towards the “Papuans”, for the time being, for the most part, they are quite educated and sane people .. When a person understands what he pays taxes and, most importantly, what purposes they will go for, you can always find a consensus .. And when people see that the oligarchs are exempted from paying taxes, and ordinary citizens are thrown at them, then questions arise .. And then, when salaries are paid out of my taxes to propagandists who have a residence permit in other states, I am against, just against pay salaries to idlers in the Duma and the Federation Council, 400-500 tonnes each.
In general, we are more and more like Papuan ..

[smart ass]

Why is it ridiculous? zombies jumped to vote for the new constitution, Kiselyov would say they would jump from the bridge and they would

[St Petrov]

Kiselyov will say they will jump off the bridge and they will

zeroed, why are you wet dreaming? is it easier for you to think?

[Svarog]

Quote: s-t Petrov

zeroed, why are you wet dreaming? is it easier for you to think?

Under Nick Umnik what Putin? Petrov you have a fever .. calm down already You have not been there for a long time, usually in spring and autumn you are very active .. but already in the middle of summer .. what is happening? the disease has gained up and does not recede?

[St Petrov]

Yes, I stink over wet terpils. does not depend on the season of the year on the word "in general"
Do not be offended by the word "endured", I just really don't know what else to call you.
Well, those who constantly suffer and aching. And put up with this state of things

Here I alone endured proved that Russia was in occupation. Well, what should I call it, if not patient? What else to call this semblance of a man who whines on the forum that the motherland is in occupation?

Okay, I’m stupefied by the Kremlin’s propaganda there, so I’m not doing anything to free the Motherland from occupation, and they feel local wafers as men?

How did they reassure themselves that yes, we are occupied, but for now I will not raise the liberation movement, because 30 years is too little?

What do you have in mind, pan-head?)

[Svarog]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Do not be offended by the word "endured", I just really don't know what else to call you

Petrov, it’s a sin to take offense at you ..

How did they reassure themselves that yes, we are occupied, but for now I will not raise the liberation movement, because 30 years is too little?

Could not master the set of letters .. still you need to drink valerian ... On Klitschko you look a lot .. the style of expressing thoughts is very similar .. and write often in Ukrainian ..
Are you by any chance Klitschko? Then everything converges

[St Petrov]

warrior, what else can I say
Thunderstorm Putin and the Kremlin.

PS a miserable sight, your latent birba, patient

[Svarog]

Quote: s-t Petrov

PS a miserable sight, your latent birba, patient

Petrov, you are confusing again .. I am expressing thoughts here .. and you are obviously fighting .. with dissent .. for this reason you are our fighter, you are fighting for the nullified .. well, if for free ..

[St Petrov]

I'm expressing thoughts

I'm talking about it

for the zero fight.

with whom? with singers? Come on, I'm kidding you here.
Or do you really consider yourself a warrior with whom you must fight?) Do you think your tribe is worth it?

You have been posting for 20 years and can’t do anything else.

And you are not at war - but at a latent barrage, but I repeat. Therefore, we do not fight.

And you just took offense, snot dismissed and endure. They also tell me insulting stories about their vinyna, which Russia did not come to.

[smart ass]

What is going on here?))))

[smart ass]

For the new constitution, + 70% does not look ridiculous?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: barin

the result "70-80% - FOR" would look ridiculous.

As for me, the result of this vote looks ridiculous

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

Indeed, the oddities of democracy ...
"If you take this term in its exact meaning, then there has never been a true democracy and never will be."
Jean Jacques Rousseau

[Svarog]

Quote: Ragnar lodbrok

Indeed, the oddities of democracy ...
"If you take this term in its exact meaning, then there has never been a true democracy and never will be."
Jean Jacques Rousseau

The USSR was much more democratic than what is now called democracy.

[mag nit]

There was no voting on the retirement age at the request of future retirees.

[St Petrov]

Kostya Semin appreciated your joke. A lot of jokers. Very cool.

[apro]

Yes, the pension reform went off with a bang .... thank you all for your understanding. all are free ... and no referenda. this is superfluous. master already knows what servants need.

[codetalker]

The transfer has fully justified its name. There is no thorough analysis. Agitation, references, memchiki - is.
For many years, the information base for the destruction of our country was given by the liberals. They have not disappeared (the field of art was generally occupied), but they no longer have a response among the broad masses of people and are perceived as marginalized. Here their curators took a new vector. Now the fact that Russia must be banged will be convinced by the "patriots". The people, of course, are still responding to them. I hope everyone will soon see their true nature and we will have the term "patriots."

[St Petrov]

we will have the term "patriots".

for our pan-head - patriots roll the term. Especially with ukroprovertimami fun knocked Putin on the Internet and dislike video on YouTube

a miserable tribe and an equally miserable tribe. Show me your twin, as they say. Therefore, Khodorkovsky is respected in the Communist Party. Partnership

[don-1500]

Well, if you put the word patriot in quotation marks, then look for those in the Russian Guard and all kinds of administration there. And Kostya Semin is a patriot without quotes. What for money Soros?

[St Petrov]

then look for those in the Russian Guard

there at least not waffles-emo-commies. The oath is being fulfilled. You gave a miserable comment on the site where the security forces are sitting.

But there are many of you here. Motley and feathered

[codetalker]

What is his patriotism? Here in the program lies and indignation that such a blow was dealt to the Yeltsin constitution. It cannot be ruled out that a person does not understand the question about which he argues. But ... Patriotism is not some kind of emotional outburst ...

[St Petrov]

he sent the children to study in the USA - he raises agents who will then promote the ideas of the Russian World in mattress - his wife, mother-in-law and other relatives hang out there

And he also bulked up a patriot and also sent a child there too - to the forge of patriots

What is his patriotism?

ask too .. Have you seen how much video content he has on YouTube for emo commies?

[don-1500]

Stop sculpting that stupid term "emo commy" everywhere. What's with that content on YouTube, so what? normal content. And how did I offend the security officials, where did you see this in my commentary? If only those young people who go to serve in the Russian Guard, because they do not want to work and do not know how.

[DNS-a42]

Quote: codetalker

the Yeltsin constitution suffered such a blow

The Yeltsin constitution was rebranded, and then it was sold a second time.

[codetalker]

Why do you repeat nonsense after Semin?

[DNS-a42]

Purely cosmetic changes are visible without Semin.

[codetalker]

The changes are quite serious, but even if there were cosmetic ones, it’s still good. Question: “Do not dare to touch the constitution!”, Removed. Sacred immunity is no more. Now you can edit everything else, or even write a new one.

[Ingvar 72]

Yes, they have such tasks, to make fun of all the arguments, without analyzing the essence. In the best traditions of the catechism of Jews in the USSR. By the way, the Union collapsed under this instruction.

[St Petrov]

Yes, they have such tasks, to make fun of all the arguments, without analyzing the essence.

I'm sorry that I ridiculed your twin-patriots Lech bulk and suit seminar
and before that he faded over the sternum

Without analysis and substance (

By the way, the Union collapsed under this instruction.

enemies? tanks? are the Americans?
Or are they the same - warriors with a system - domestice pan-domestic?

Our country cannot be ruined from the outside - they are always looking inside for clowns with a polished brain and a pan ready to sway the Kremlin - and the USSR is called the country either the Russian Empire or the Russian Federation - the clowns inside the country do not end there. you can blame without looking back at the name - especially the Kremlin - it is always the Kremlin.

Previously, radio "Liberty" and radio "Liberty" broadcast from under the box with leaflets - and now Radio "Liberty" and YouTube - where there is Kostya Semin - who will tell you why you need to wander the Kremlin

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: s-t Petrov

sorry

God will forgive, perhaps. But I do not know how to forgive the traitors of my homeland. For the justification of the anti-people’s actions of the anti-people’s power is the betrayal of their people, their ancestors and their descendants. You are the same as Vlasov.
And do not poke people older than themselves.

[St Petrov]

In the same as Vlasov.

does your head work? It’s you, brother Vlasov, who are opposed to the legitimate authorities, the Kremlin and the supreme commander of our army - just like this hanged waffle - only this waffle was hanged for this in the end.

Your difference from Vlasov - he tried. And you peed posts.

What is the joke called white black? Your tribe's logic is marginalized in the fight with the Kremlin

And do not poke people older than themselves.

you from me "you" - no longer wait. You are like Vlasov - you are against my state and against the officers who swore to defend the constitutional order

Although Vlasov differs from the waffle in that he tried. Probably because there was no forum where you can let out revolutionary steam

So would the Kremlin also stagger posts

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: s-t Petrov

supreme commander of our army

Who is not able to control his boyars, and is not able to answer for his words? And what is the legitimacy of power, which from time to time marketing with the elections?
But the test is valid! 30 silver coins earned. But do not forget what Judas finished. Like Vlasov the same.

[St Petrov]

But the test is valid!

you are really a wet oppositionist. A miserable tribe of yours, meaningless and not powerful)

Nullified

30 silver coins earned

I won’t even say that you are a fool and cannot answer for your words. Because it makes no sense.

And if you were men - in 20 years you would have come up with something other than snot. There you are a whole company of twin cities (though half the Ukrainians)

[Ingvar 72]

Do you like it dry?
An ungrateful work pulls me into emotions. Only free, in contrast to the laundering of the managed power.

[St Petrov]

Vasya, go by.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Or are they the same - warriors with a system - domestice pan-domestic?

Or maybe it was just those who ruined it, who happily shouted Hurray for the current government "on horseback" - "EBNu and Co." leading the country to collapse for the sake of its ambitions? The same people who are now shouting URA to the current government, and any other will also shout, this is the firmware, since the refrigerator today with food means URA for the authorities, but tomorrow we will think - when tomorrow the food in the refrigerator will disappear?

[sav]

Pension reform was a kind of "warm-up", a trial balloon to test the tolerance of the electorate.
Yes, and the economic goal was also: about the ratio of workers and retirees all in the know.

[Vovan]

And how many local lemengi daily spoil the life of the deputies who have voted: asks questions, collects initiative groups, requires changes, etc.? The answer is not at all, because knocking your fingers on the keyboard on the forum is not a real thing for you to do. Yelling on the forum - it’s always easier and more pleasant.

[flicker]

according to the amendments there was a vote, there was no voting on the retirement age

Hmm, as it does not work out well.
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I have an idea:
It is necessary to fine Internet troublemakers, especially those who are financed by Soros and other American philanthropists, are actively working for the collapse of Russia.
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Large fine !!!
And the money should be transferred to the Pension Fund, for the construction of hospitals, gyms, kindergartens and other necessary social facilities.
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The more they pour mud on Russia, the more fines, the more social facilities will be built.
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It turns out that we will replenish the Pension Fund with money from Soros, after which it will be possible to reduce the retirement age.
We also say thanks to Soros.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: flicker

It is necessary to fine Internet troublemakers, especially those who are financed by Soros and other American philanthropists, are actively working for the collapse of Russia.

I will add - in the same way it is necessary to fine trolls, for the salary of the whitewashed outraged authorities.
You work for the collapse of the country, it does not matter, from the outside or from the inside - get a dozen.
Further more - I took a bribe, get a mark with green paint on my forehead. You cannot explain the availability of property at a cost 1000 times the annual salary - the same procedures.
Do you agree?

[flicker]

Do you agree?

In addition to "brilliant green" - looks like Ukrainian skakuas.
And so, I AGREE!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: flicker

In addition to "brilliant green"

Damn, I thought you were familiar with the expression "Smear your forehead with brilliant green." It has nothing to do with scrubs at all.

[doubovitski]

The retirement age is established by the law of December 28, 2013 N 400-FZ "On insurance pensions". From January 1, this law has been amended to establish a new retirement age (65 and 60 years for M and F). These changes were introduced by the law of 03.10.2018 N 350-FZ.
And the Constitution has nothing to do with it.



What is the retirement age in Europe?

State Retirement Age (m / f)
Luxembourg 60/60
Denmark 67/67
Austrian
Republic 65/60
Finland 65/65
Norway 67/67
Germany 65/65
Italy 59/59
France 62.5/62.5
Slovenia 61/63
Spain 65/65
Greece 67/67
Portugal 65/65
Czech Republic 61/58
Germany 65/65
Italy 59/59
France 62.5/62.5
Slovenia 61/63
Spain 65/65
Greece 67/67
Portugal 65/65
Czech Republic 61/58

[DNS-a42]

Quote: doubovitski

What is the retirement age in Europe?

What is the life expectancy in European countries?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: DNS-a42

What is the life expectancy in European countries?

And the most important thing is the size of pensions!

[doubovitski]

Quote: DNS-a42

Quote: doubovitski

What is the retirement age in Europe?

What is the life expectancy in European countries?

The most important thing is WHAT A PENSION SYSTEM. In conditions of private capitalist production, the pension there is funded, and does not spend the country's budget. Since deductions come from the employer, the state MAY extort it in case ..... But we all have pensioners on the budget. 38 million. And the production is mostly state structures. And the cumulative part of the majority is all the same, state budget cleanups. The army of pensioners, who worked in the USSR and, of course, did not allocate to themselves the accumulative part all the time of work THEN. Do you want to get half what you get now for work yourself? Then shout at all crossroads to reduce the retirement age. there will be not 38, but 49 million pensioners. Do not cut in these matters, shut up. And the current owners? Are they, that, from their own profit they pay to the pension fund, or from your salary, which, of course, will be cut off to this part?

[Revival]

What is the average pension there?
And what is the average life expectancy?
Compare? Caught up and overtaken?

[Wertgan]

This is not the point at all. When they adopted the 1992 constitution, it was understood that society wants to live in both Europe and America. By their law, by their fair international law. So why, in this case, should our retirement age be somehow unique? Not like in Europe? Isn't that what they wanted? What caused the discontent? This resembles the indignation of dollar mortgages after the collapse of the ruble. Like, we are more likely to compensate for the loss in the difference in rates!

[Revival]

You do not understand at all that "their fair international law" and the retirement age are not connected with the word at all ?!
In general, I understand. I have no more questions for you

[Wertgan]

On the contrary, it is connected. And this is not a secret. Remember how our leaders justified the increase in the retirement age. It was said that, they say, in many civilized countries that we want to be like, people retire at 65! So we need the same! You see, there is no secret. This is, for example, just recently, before the referendum, many said that America has set a limit on the number of presidential terms for a candidate, which means we should have it! And you agreed with that. They said yes. We want us to be like in the west. Oh Kay. There, what are you unhappy with now?

[Revival]

1. And what is the price to those leaders?
2. where then everything else is like "in the west"? RFP Pensions, etc.
No.
So fake is justification, not at all because there they say

[Wertgan]

A very good price - after all, officials act in accordance with the basic law, with the Constitution, where the primacy of the West (international law) is directly specified.
And as for the rest ... So this is a common thing ... Someone was persuaded to betray, and thirty silver coins were not given. They didn’t give, because they do not respect. And for what respect people who do not like their homeland?

[Revival]

Well now there is no primacy of international law. Cancel pension reform? Not.
So the mythical primate was just a cover?

[Wertgan]

Unfortunately, this primate has remained. But now, in individual cases, by decision of the constitutional court, we may not comply with the instructions of an international body. The referendum is just the beginning. Ahead of action on further changes. And as for the reform ... If since 1991 we have moved, in fact, into a dead end, then how many years do we need to move back to return to the level of the 80s? Of course, reform cannot be immediately abolished. All the same, it must be ensured by our economic power.

[Revival]

So this mythical primate still remains, well then yes.
Sailed

[doubovitski]

Quote: Revival

1. And what is the price to those leaders?
2. where then everything else is like "in the west"? RFP Pensions, etc.
No.
So fake is justification, not at all because there they say

But there is no concept that we, living on earth, all countries, all peoples, are interconnected and compete economically. If France, let’s say, is much warmer than Siberia, then our housing and utilities expenses will look different. If they calmly eat frogs, then we must breed chickens. And it is more expensive. So with pension matters. Dramatically different is to be in the tail, or in front.

[Revival]

You can reach German rationality in such a way, and then suddenly it’s so colder with us that people in general should work on slavish words, well, for their happiness and effectiveness

[alone]

Well, to begin with, the retirement age does not increase from a good life .. It means that there are problems in the economy, and they are not bad. . Well, hardly anyone will take such a step, knowing in advance that the population is against .. This is, as it were, their own anti-advertising, a blow to their rating ..
It was just that we had to honestly admit that the authorities were unable to take advantage of the favorable situation that existed until mid-2008 and the state’s economy went into recession.
The increase in the retirement age was explained by the fact that it is not fair when a person turned 60, he is full of energy and he wants to work more.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: lonely

So in the economy there are problems, moreover, sickly

There may be other reasons, such as IMF recommendations.
Although we have problems in the economy, there is an almost complete absence of a non-commodity economy.

[Maximilian37]

Did they show this video in Vest24?

[Kolin]

"Purgaprom" comes with fecal masses. By the way, where was the voting on the retirement age for the "socialist" Grygorych?

[Virus-free crown]

This is when was what a public relations company to increase the retirement age ?!
Silently during the World Cup held, under the guise - and all business then !!!
INSURANCE robbed the Russians for 5 years of life - and even - DO NOT apologize !!!

[Charik]

heard such a saying, the lawyer said, you can crank up anything having a lawyer who knows all the laws and a man who knows judges — who appoints judges in our country? —who is our famous lawyer?

[doubovitski]

Quote: Charik

heard such a saying, the lawyer said, you can crank up anything having a lawyer who knows all the laws and a man who knows judges — who appoints judges in our country? —who is our famous lawyer?

It's you aboutб than? ABOUTб lawyer aboutб judge, or aboutб own awareness?

[Wertgan]

An article without an author, therefore, is served as news. But the thesis itself provokes dissatisfaction.

[soul]

There is nothing strange - when the authorities need something, it will not ask anyone.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

if the government asks on all issues the state will die a maximum in a year

[Revival]

Switzerland is long gone?
Here is sadness, missed such an event ..

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

how embarrassed are these nonsense about the projection of control systems of various states on Russia
do not suffer nonsense

[Revival]

As you argued about the state in general, you were answered with a concrete example.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Oddities of democracy: there were voting on amendments; there was no voting on pension age

and what is the oddity ?!
we don’t vote on the rest of the laws on the rest of the laws, either the author proposes to disperse the Duma (although the idea is certainly interesting) and vote on ALL approved laws

[Ronald Reagan]

The people would also support pension reform by voting. But the whining of the liberals is not interesting to anyone.

[nikvic46]

The shooters of the pension reform were, as always, actors, officials, and people attached to chairs. They used to retire as Caucasian centenarians. I watched the video for information. And no more. Besides Semina there is a whole horde of conspiracy theorists. Some say about the return of the monarchy, others about new socialism, the third about the dominance of transnational companies. And the last, that it will be all together. And what is surprising, everything is possible. But most likely this whole company is aimed at making people tired of information. Encourage apathy to everything.

[hagen]

Still, there are people in the country who are not bored with chewed cow cake. It is already becoming like training a woodpecker on a concrete pole. A pillar, if only henna, and woodpeckers, in a polemic heat, shake their last brain. The pension reform has already taken place. Back it will not be replayed. All these efforts to shit in the shoes of those who adopted this reform are ridiculous, because the decision makers are not read. You, excuse me, to whom are you addressing all this? You still write a complaint to the WHO that the decision on amputation of a gangrenous limb is not made by the meeting of patients, which means that something illegal is being violated !!! And here sit people who are not very busy, considering themselves "smart saviors" of the world and other passers-by, and all day long ardently prove that they are smarter than a red bus !!! Just scream !!! You would pay so much attention to your own family .... Maybe the children would learn better and go to the budget. Everything is more useful than rolling this cotton ... There is no fish, she went to another cordon ...

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

It's clear why there was no vote to increase the retirement age. Without any votes, it was clear that 99,9% would be against it.

[c2020]

Yes, spit a hundred times over all their anti-national laws on raising the retirement age. People 30 years ago put these thieves on the counter, and this counter ticks every second. No matter how the string twists ... The lessons of history are relentless and one day one of them will hand over all the rest with giblets. For the first time or what? .. Pay on the counter like cute. They will also crawl on karachiks to return the stolen goods to the people with huge percentages.