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Why Russia is not Europe

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Russia is a unique autocratic civilization, not the West and not the East. Therefore, attempts to integrate Russia into the Western (global) capitalist system and make it competitive within the global market turn into colonial dependence and collapse for the country's economy. And for the people - poverty and extinction.


The European choice


Supporters of the liberal-democratic project believe that Russia is a culturalhistorical and economic periphery, the outskirts of the West, European civilization. That in Russia it is possible to establish life according to Western standards. What is necessary to carry out full economic, cultural, socio-political and ideological integration with the West. Create a parliamentary republic, an independent judiciary, a market economy, political pluralism, and abandon dense remnants like Orthodoxy. And happiness will come.

Westerners have already twice arranged confusion in Russia: in 1917 and 1991. Russian autocracy and Soviet civilization were destroyed in order for Russia to become part of the Western world.

The problem is that Russia is a unique autocratic civilization, not the West and not the East. There is an excellent work on this subject by Slavophil Nikolai Danilevsky: “Russia and Europe”. The path of integration of Russia with the West, its loss of its national identity, “Russianness” ultimately leads to the collapse of Russian statehood, society, their death. The classic example of such a catastrophe is 1917-1920. After the 1991 disaster, events went according to a milder scenario, but the losses of Russia and the Russian people were also huge. At the same time, Russia did not get out of the state of the systemic crisis.

Why Russia is not America


The essence of Russianness is the primacy of spirit over flesh-matter, truth over law, justice and truth over money-grubbing, common over personal. Therefore, Russia and Russians can never become part of the West. Otherwise, it will not be Russians, but slaves of the “golden calf” - a consumer society, the predatory world of capitalism.

In the West, it has long been noted that the Russian centralized state, from which the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union would later emerge, arose contrary to all logic and science: without a common market, transport connectivity, developed commodity-money relations, access to warm seas, in conditions of constant enemy onslaught at almost all borders, northern, western, southern and eastern; having nothing of what made the great powers England, France, and then the USA. It turns out that the Russian state arose, survived and intensified in spite of all objective facts. That Russia is a unique phenomenon in the history of mankind.

In this regard, it is worth noting the wonderful book by Andrei Parshev, “Why is Russia not America?” Our geo-economic realities and all the senselessness and harmfulness of “market reforms” for Russia are perfectly described there. Parshev shows that Russia is the coldest Arctic subarctic country in the world with enormous temperature differences. Annual temperatures range from minus fifty in the winter to plus fifty in the summer. All over the world, similar conditions are only in Mongolia. And in one US state - Alaska (but it is still warmer than Chukotka). In the same Scandinavia it is much warmer than ours (the influence of warm ocean currents). Our climate is purely continental, in contrast to the marine climate of both Western Europe and America. Not to mention the subtropics and tropics of Africa, South America and Southeast and South Asia. We do not have a warm Gulf Stream, which washes the western coast of the USA and Canada, brings warmth to Europe, including the northern countries. And in our country the cold rises not only from south to north, but from west to east, deep into the continent. Even in sunny Turkestan (Central Asia), where you can die from the summer heat, snowstorms and frosts occur in winter.

Russians and other peoples of our civilization live in a "world refrigerator." Moreover, with the collapse of the USSR, we lost the warmest territories. What does this mean in geo-economic terms !? That we can never create a competitive economy. All the mantras of our liberals that they pronounce from the time of “perestroika” and “shock reforms” of the 90s to the present day, about a market economy, liberalization, privatization, competition, an energy superpower, etc., are not only useless, but also harmful . It is pointless and unprofitable to invest in Russia. The costs of building powerful buildings with thick walls with deep foundations, with central heating are too high. A lot of fuel must be spent on heating housing and factory buildings. Too much labor costs, which require capital, heated apartments, hearty food and warm clothes. The country has to pay huge expenses for maintaining the system of schools, hospitals, prisons, the armed forces, and the transportation system. All this is much more complicated and expensive than in France or in China. Russians, unlike the whole world, have to maintain a huge heating system. We do not have warm seas and ice-free rivers. Even highways come out more expensive and worse than world ones (not counting theft), as temperature changes tear the canvas.

In Europe there is no central heating. Our ordinary snowfall for the United States and England is a natural disaster. In the West, they can build large private houses from timber and plywood, without capital foundations, as we have garden houses. Without furnaces and heating systems, with "potbelly stoves". With a huge living area. From century to century in Russia there are more expensive and cramped rooms, with low ceilings, with deep foundations, thick walls and stoves. Even Canada is warmer than Russia. There, almost the entire population lives on the southern part of the coast, which is located on the latitudes of the southern part of Ukraine and is washed by warm currents. The rest of the territory is almost empty, it is developed on a rotational basis.

Our Primorye, geographically so close to Korea and Japan, is colder than them. The Kuril Islands separate the warm part of the Pacific Ocean from the cold. Kamchatka, Sakhalin, Vladivostok and North Korea are in the cold zone. In December, in Vladivostok and Pyongyang, the average temperature is minus six, and in South Korea - plus 4-8. Almost all of Japan is in the range from plus 2 to 10. On the coast of Canada at the same time the temperature is in Japan and South Korea. Each degree is hundreds of thousands of tons of fuel for heating, materials for insulation. In southern Norway, in December, where the bulk of the country's population lives, the temperature is from plus 2 to 4. The Norwegians do not freeze the sea, as in central Japan. Denmark is even warmer. In England, Ireland, Northern France, Belgium and Holland, on the Atlantic coast of Canada - an area of ​​6 to 10 degrees heat. Like in Shanghai and Tokyo!

Therefore, creating production and investing in it is more profitable in Europe than ours. Even more profitable - in the USA, in the tropics - in Asia and Latin America. Even in Africa it is more profitable, despite the monstrous theft and unwillingness of the local population to work. Therefore, the production basically left even from the USA, with what Trump is trying to fight. Russia in the conditions of the world market, open economic borders and free competition will always lose. Even with the general “optimization” of the system, education, health care, the economy, the army, etc. Factories are much more profitable to build in Mexico and Vietnam. The situation is the same in agriculture.

Thus, in a market economy, Russians can never achieve a level of well-being equal to the inhabitants of Western Europe and the United States. Therefore, the dream of Western standards is a blatant lie. Like the myths of "Russian laziness", "Russian slavery" and the "communist yoke" that threw Russia hundreds of years ago. Attempts to integrate Russia into the Western (global) capitalist system, to make it competitive, turn into colonial dependence and collapse for its economy. And for the people - poverty and extinction. Only a small pro-Western elite flourishes, which is “successful” under the colonial model.

Russian style


Obviously, copying the West is death for the Russian world. It is necessary to create your own, Russian style, autocratic world. Take the best that was in Ancient Russia, the Russian Empire, the Romanov Empire and Soviet civilization. We can live better than Westerners only when we build our cultural, scientific, technological and economic structure. We will break into the world of the future, where advanced technologies will allow us to fully master our vast and cold spaces.

As the current energy crisis shows, even attempts to become an energy power are in complete collapse. Russia cannot survive by selling only raw materials on the world market. Most of the country's population in such conditions "does not fit into the market." Oil and gas, almost all diamonds, cobalt, platinum group metals, apatites, copper, nickel, etc. are mined in the North of Russia. A significant part of forest and fish products are produced here. But all this is in the world in much more convenient places for mining. It is also more profitable to develop agriculture where it is warmer. For example, the agricultural sector of Bulgaria or Ukraine was needed only within the framework of the socialist camp. As soon as the social bloc was destroyed, the degradation of the national economy began, including the village, extinction and the flight of the population.

Russia is a “global refrigerator." And this means that even if Russian workers have productivity at the level of Japanese workers, and Russian engines and equipment become as economical as Western ones, if Russia solves the problem of thermal insulation of homes and industrial buildings, all in a global market, open borders and free competition, Russia will lose. Lose even with the full "optimization" of schools, hospitals, libraries, the army, etc. It will still be more profitable to invest in production in Mexico or Vietnam. For the same reason, all the constant spells that the Russian "responsible businessmen" are about to invest in Russia are either stupidity or outright deceit. Both “new Russians” earlier and current businessmen would be better off withdrawing money abroad by investing in real estate, yachts, airplanes, mistresses, etc.

Russia under the current scheme of participation in the global market is a raw materials appendage, no more. Moreover, as the current “Great Depression 2” shows, even the raw materials are of less interest to developed countries than before. The West relies on the transition to a new technological structure. And a hydrocarbon-based economy is a thing of the past. The bet on the "energy power" is practically a bit.

It is worth noting that the fact that the Russian Federation under Putin and Medvedev made very good money by selling resources is not the merit of the current “effective managers”, but of the USSR. Although the Soviet Union allegedly "produced only galoshes." Starting from the 1930s, at the expense of state funds and the mobilization of millions of workers in the North of Russia, a whole civilization was built: a network of cities, airfields, ports, railways and highways. The Soviet empire spent countless money (no one would have to spend it in the market), time and labor to transfer millions of tons of equipment and entire labor armies to the taiga and tundra, to develop found deposits, build mines and mines, factories and enterprises, pipelines. Including the current Gazprom. This allowed the USSR to create a super system that is resistant to any shock. However, private investors and market economies in the West would not do this.

All this has become the foundation of today's Russia, due to which the country still lives. This is not the merit of “effective managers”, who in the last decade, in essence, with their “wise” leadership, have killed this system, but of Soviet ministers, directors, engineers, geologists and workers. It was in the USSR that the northern industry was built with a huge margin of safety, which was enough even for the Russian Federation. But this situation does not last forever, as the current crisis shows.

The laws of geoeconomics are inexorable. Production is brought to where the climate is better, where labor is cheaper, costs are lower. This is true not only for Russia. The United States fell into the same trap. It is not for nothing that Trump is fighting to return production to the country, to make new industrialization. Otherwise, "good old America" ​​will die.

The result is this: Russia cannot live in the so-called. the global market on an equal footing. A country cannot afford free trade. Only autarchy-autocracy. Nationalization of land, forests, bowels, strategic enterprises. Low energy prices inside the country, barriers to the import of finished goods that can be produced by ourselves. Import only unique machines and technologies. The export of raw materials is only in the public interest, it is necessary for the country itself. Either an exchange for other valuable raw materials that Russia does not have or lacks, or a redistribution of proceeds from the sale of raw materials to the development of advanced technologies.

You need to know that the “sweet life” of a consumer society, which was built in Russia, is bought at the expense of the export of unique mineral raw materials, at the expense of the future people. Moreover, within Russia itself, a free market is quite possible, with the heyday of small and medium-sized enterprises. Provided that the ruble will not change to currency. So that no one could export capital abroad.
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  1. Courier
    Courier 8 July 2020 05: 54 New
    22
    Climatic determinism is evil, just like geography.

    Germany is colder than France, and especially Spain, but it is much better developed.
    Speaking about "cold" Russia, you need to understand that 80% of the total population lives in the European part, where there is no harsh climate.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 8 July 2020 06: 16 New
      +3
      Germany is colder than France, and especially Spain, but it is much better developed.
      Therefore, it is better developed. Not only Parshev wrote about this, Nikonov has a book about the impact of climate fluctuations on the rise and decline of civilizations. (I don’t remember the name for a snap, I read it for a long time).
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 8 July 2020 06: 23 New
        -5
        . After the 1991 disaster, events went on softer scenario

        Yes. Amazing things are happening - the people are now voting for the destroyers. And in all the votes.

        For the drunk against whom every dog ​​today, voted? Most!
        Maybe Medvedev had less support?
        Yes tomorrow they will put Sobchak (or Navalny, for example), all are confused by a friendly system and they will vote for them, as for the amendments nullified.
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 8 July 2020 08: 41 New
          17
          What a nonsense.
          Westerners have already twice arranged confusion in Russia: in 1917 and 1991.

          At least three times - turmoil leading to a change of dynasty.

          "All over the world, conditions are similar only in Mongolia."

          China remember. Well, show in Mongolia a place where nature is like in Sochi or like in Crimea.
          Maybe there is Murmansk in Mongolia?
          Yes, not a damn thing there, in Mongolia, not like in Russia.
          I lived there for 4 years. I know what I'm talking about.
          The author on TV saw Mongolia?

          Russia is oooooooooooochen much of planet Earth. The largest country in terms of territory.

          In general, the author’s noble nonsense turned out. negative

          Quote: depressant
          Russians are a flat people, therefore less passionate


          Another connoisseur.

          Recently, some mountaineers of the "plains" wanted to win. There was a case in Abkhazia. Georgians (highlanders) settled down. The Plains approached the capital of the Highlanders ... but forgave the hot-tempered Highlanders.
          And earlier, the "plains" "less passionately" got everyone around and ruled the Caucasus for many centuries.

          And at any second the plains will stand up and "less passionately" will drive into the grave anyone who encroaches on our homeland.
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 8 July 2020 09: 05 New
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            Quote: Stas157
            all are confused by a friendly system and they will vote for them

            You watch yourself.
            The country gets out of the next turmoil.
            And for those who want to live differently, I recommend visiting Ukraine. There are many supporters of the overthrow of the "Putin regime" and the establishment of democracy. True, they themselves are in shit, but this is only because of Putin. wassat
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 8 July 2020 10: 43 New
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              Quote: Vladimir16
              The country gets out of the next turmoil.

              No, unfortunately she is sliding down there, it's time to wake up.
              Quote: Vladimir16
              And for those who want to live differently, I recommend visiting Ukraine. There are many supporters of the overthrow of the "Putin regime" and the establishment of democracy.

              Maybe it’s better to look towards China, for example.
              1. sleeve
                sleeve 9 July 2020 07: 36 New
                +4
                Do you want like in China? Do you count on the "middle class" for your level? If you want it like in China, don't pay 8 out of 9 trillion in pensions. And that's all, the PRC will fall behind in the dust.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 9 July 2020 07: 46 New
                  -5
                  Quote: sleeve
                  Do you want like in China? Do you count on the "middle class" for your level? If you want it like in China, don't pay 8 out of 9 trillion in pensions. And that's all, the PRC will fall behind in the dust.

                  I did not quite understand what you wanted to say. What in China do not pay pensions? It is not true. Here is a good cycle about modern China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7aVhWrqYp0
                  1. sleeve
                    sleeve 9 July 2020 11: 56 New
                    +3
                    Yes, great. Look carefully at the cycle you have proposed. Now we seamlessly transfer what is there on Russian soil. Voila. About 8 out of 9.
                  2. sleeve
                    sleeve 9 July 2020 11: 57 New
                    0
                    And I did not want to say that they are not paid there. They are simply paid not like ours. Actually, as in the whole world.
          2. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 09: 07 New
            +8
            China remember. Well, show in Mongolia a place where nature is like in Sochi or like in Crimea.
            Maybe there is Murmansk in Mongolia?
            Yes, not a damn thing there, in Mongolia, not like in Russia.
            I lived there for 4 years. I know what I'm talking about.
            The author on TV saw Mongolia?

            And what, in Russia 95% of the country's population live in the Kuban and in the Crimea? It is in Canada that 95% of the population lives no further than 300 km from the US border. In Canada, at the latitude of Moscow, only Indians with Eskimos live, and shift workers in their shift camps. By the way, do you know that the northernmost millionaire city is located in Russia? What is the northernmost hundred-thousandth city also in Russia? And what is the hundred-thousandth city with the most severe climate in Russia too? Moreover, as many as two cities are fighting for this place: Norilsk and Yakutsk. There is no summer in Norilsk and winter is longer, but winter is colder in Yakutsk.
            1. WIKI
              WIKI 8 July 2020 13: 49 New
              -1
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              By the way, do you know that the northernmost millionaire city is located in Russia?

              Interesting! And which ?
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 17: 26 New
                -1
                Murmansk. At this latitude, the Amer and the British, to say the Canadians, only the Inuit villages for 500 people, and shift workers.
                1. WIKI
                  WIKI 8 July 2020 18: 55 New
                  +2
                  Only 287 thousand people.
              2. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 9 July 2020 00: 19 New
                +1
                Ugh, Petersburg of course. Murmansk is the northernmost hundred-thousandth city.
                1. WIKI
                  WIKI 9 July 2020 10: 39 New
                  +1
                  Geographic coordinates of Saint Petersburg, Russia
                  Latitude: 59 ° 56′19 ″
                  Geographic coordinates of Helsinki, Finland
                  Latitude: 60 ° 10′10 ″
                  1. meandr51
                    meandr51 9 September 2020 13: 56 New
                    0
                    There is also the Gulf Stream. Inhabited Finland is warmer than the Leningrad region.
          3. aglet
            aglet 8 July 2020 11: 34 New
            -1
            "All over the world, conditions are similar only in Mongolia."
            it was about a sharply continental climate, actually. and the conditions, as in Sochi, and in sugar can be found in local areas
          4. depressant
            depressant 8 July 2020 13: 00 New
            +4
            Colleague Vladimir 16. Before you cry, namely me, take an interest in starting with at least the official history of the war between Abkhazia and Georgia from 1992-1993. The war occurred when Abkhazia, still part of Georgia, was no longer a member of the Soviet Union, which had disintegrated earlier as a result of the treaty of December 8, 1991. For this reason, Russian troops could not participate and did not participate in the assault on Sukhumi! The Russian volunteers took part in the assault in the form of a large detachment of Basayev, which I, Depressant, saw with my own eyes. There were no Russians in this detachment, only Chechens. Everyone knew about this. The actions of the Russian military, who were still on the territory of Abkhazia, as they are still there, boiled down to only distributing weapons to the local militia from the arms depots of military units, as well as organizing the export of hundreds of thousands of vacationers from all over Abkhazia by trains, buses, and also cargo planes from the Gudauta military airfield. And that was all! I repeat, the assault on Sukhumi was carried out by the Basaevites along with the Abkhazians and the very few local Russians who were able to attract. More precisely, those who did not succeed in getting out, who did not manage to escape to Russia on time. After we, the Russians, suffered from the Abkhaz, this was not ours, not our war at all. I admit that there were some Slavic volunteers in the Abkhaz militia. This was discussed much later. But Ukrainians were mentioned.
            And add more. The money that Basayev was supposed to pay was transferred to Gamsakhurdia, and therefore he did not move his sufficiently large army to Sukhumi to come to the rescue of the Georgian troops defending the city. That's why the Georgians still curse. This is how Sukhumi was actually taken.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 July 2020 15: 19 New
          -1
          Do not worry, everyone will vote for the one whom Putin will put the receiver.
          1. sleeve
            sleeve 9 July 2020 07: 40 New
            0
            Yes, we will normally vote. As you wish. And let's go collect aluminum cans.
      2. depressant
        depressant 8 July 2020 07: 14 New
        +6
        Everything stated in the article is true. I once had a chance to listen to on television in the form of postulates. And even a note. General Leonid Grigoryevich Ivashov infinitely respected by me. Yes, the largest territory, the longest border, which means that a huge army is needed for protection. Very cold - incredible heating costs. The Russians are a flat people, which means they are less passionate than the highlanders. Need a king, general secretary, anyone - one-man management!
        And here it would be necessary to pause. Advanced Russians, or if necessary able to quickly advance in a civilizational sense, Russians (this is our natural feature) are forced to drag on their shoulders to the European way of existence a huge number of peoples and nationalities that agree to this, go, but try to get off their shoulders and go on their own, forming system, not particularly visible. But the reproaches, ridicule and contempt, the essence of which boils down to one thing - hey, drove, so-and-so, and generally insignificance, you are badly lucky! Only the Tatars, due to the competitive features of our relations, have advanced, got off, confidently striding alongside and even sometimes overtaking. But they are not in a hurry to share the civilization burden with us. You think I don’t understand how difficult it is for the head of such a state? I understand perfectly! The USSR successfully solved the problem. Not allowed. I doubt that it is decided by capitalism, the example of the United States to help!
        Where is the way out? Small nations and nationalities need to seriously get along in cultivating their tribal and feudal national characteristics, no longer children, get down, go alongside in the general system, contribute to science, art, literature, economics, but not on the basis of opposing us, but together. Grow up! We are seriously tired of dragging you. And if you want it separately, let’s see how the conditional West will balance you - it will balance you like that! Forget your name.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 8 July 2020 09: 27 New
          -3
          Quote: depressant
          Need a king, general secretary, anyone - one-man management!

          I think that you are wrong here, the country achieved the greatest success in development under Stalin. The form of government was much more complicated than one-man management, the principle of "democratic centralism" was in effect.
          Quote: depressant
          to drag on their shoulders to the European way of existence a huge number of peoples and nationalities that agree to this are traveling, but attempts to get off their shoulders and go on their own, forming a system are not particularly visible.

          The level of consciousness (unsuccessful, probably the word) they have is low, mainly because they came "to socialism" from feudalism, and for example the Khiva Khanate, practically from the slave system. And the article also misses the point that European civilization was built on the ruins of the Roman Empire, some roads have been operating since those times. Russians, on the other hand, mostly colonized sparsely populated areas.
          Quote: depressant
          Where is the way out?

          Only internationalism and enlightenment. It is necessary to raise the level of education of the country's population, at least to the Soviet level. Unfortunately, the state thinks differently, guided by momentary mercantile interests.
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 8 July 2020 10: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: depressant
          I once had a chance to listen to on television in the form of postulates.

          Less need to watch it!
      3. georgiigennadievitch
        georgiigennadievitch 13 July 2020 13: 29 New
        -1
        The author is right in many respects. For Russia, a centralized state is the optimal form of organization. We are a state-civilization with thousands of years of experience. Therefore, we do not need borrowing, but we must rely on our historical experience. Yes, the climate has played and will play a big role in the development of states. But not everything is so hopeless for us. Everything is flowing, everything is changing. And while the trend is for changes in our direction. 1) For development, in addition to climate, natural resources and minerals are required (including the presence of fertile lands, water resources of forests .Other countries are forced to buy everything, including hydrocarbons, timber, etc.) Here we are in a big plus; 2) The development of production is increasingly shifting towards robotization and computerization. It means that workers in production need significantly (by orders of magnitude ) less, only for servicing complex lines and robots. This means that the costs of maintaining and reproducing labor will be significantly reduced. And a computerized automated line in Siberia, in Vieux We will not differ significantly in the operating price. And taking into account the energy costs, not for heating, but for the equipment itself, we still need to look at where it will be more profitable, taking into account the availability of energy resources and the cost of their transportation. Thus, the products of our industry become competitive. 3) In fact, the climate is changing towards warming. For Russia, this is generally beneficial. This allows to significantly improve the conditions for food production and their export. In many countries, desertification and soil degradation have occurred and are taking place (Sev. Africa, China, etc.), lack of water resources. They will be forced to buy food, including from us. If our leaders cease to hope that "the West will forgive us," and can direct the current wind of change into the sails of our ship called "Russia", then it will successfully pass all the reefs and icebergs.
      4. EVDmitri
        EVDmitri 31 July 2020 10: 14 New
        0
        It's called "The History of the Frostbite in the Context of Global Warming."
      5. Bobrovsky
        Bobrovsky 9 August 2020 17: 35 New
        +1
        In Germany, favorable, not hot weather, it often rains, and this is a great advantage for agriculture. Accordingly, there was more food, and this made it possible to feed the cities and a larger number of artisans. This created competition among them and forced them to make better quality goods. They are more expensive, hence the income for development.
    2. military_cat
      military_cat 8 July 2020 06: 17 New
      28
      When you are told about the primacy of spirit over flesh-matter, look for where they want to steal money from you.
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 9 September 2020 14: 02 New
        0
        And who doesn't have them? Give up the spirit and have nothing at all?
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 10 September 2020 06: 52 New
          0
          Well, if the task is posed as "at least have something", then it is not necessary to be limited by the spirit, you can also come up with an imaginary pony friend. Then there will still be no money, but there will be the best imaginary friend in the world.
    3. Finches
      Finches 8 July 2020 06: 32 New
      +5
      Courier courier! I see that you are most likely an ordinary Voshny troll, and I will not enter into polemics with you, but still I will ask a question taken right there from the surface - For example, in London, there is no central heating, but in Moscow there is - it is necessary to disassemble the central heating in Moscow - and immediately we will live, as in "civilized" Europe? laughing
      1. unaha
        unaha 8 July 2020 08: 16 New
        -8
        So this is already happening. Many new homes are being built with autonomous boiler rooms and are valued higher. Because they consume only gas and cold water.
        But in order to heal "as in" civilized "Europe" (as I understand it, since the word civilized in quotation marks, you do not consider them civilized? Apparently this is from Russia in Europe all technologies, and civilizational ideas have been coming in the last 1000 years, and not on the contrary?) will have to repeat all stages of development. But we have "our own way", so we will continue to walk around for the carrot of "a unique autocratic civilization".
        1. unaha
          unaha 8 July 2020 08: 37 New
          -2
          Those who put "-" can certainly give opposite examples?
          1. vVvAD
            vVvAD 9 July 2020 02: 23 New
            +6
            1000 years mean? Yes easily. The Rusichs, without coal and iron ore for metallurgy, successfully mastered swamp iron and made weapons and repairable board armor from it, made chain mail by wire drawing, and therefore at times cheaper than in the West, where each piece of steel was flattened with a hammer for each ring. In the West, the crossbow was a technological breakthrough, many of its designs appeared - they did not know the complex bow, and the English longbow was huge. In Russia, compact and powerful composite bows were made, having lethal power with armor-piercing arrows no less than a crossbow, but having a greater range and the ability to shoot with a canopy over the fortress walls, and thanks to the crafted leather bowstring, shoot in the rain. And crossbows in Russia were called self-arrows, and they were not armed by archers, who had not trained for years (because the load on the composite bow was 2,5-4 times greater than the western ones), and militiamen of the fortresses. Spears, lances and spears made self-sharpening. Strong imported damask and damask blades were made of high-quality imported iron, which could be bent into a ring or stuck between the rounded parts of the armor. There weren’t so many quarries in Russia (in Kievan Rus, as you know, there were problems with the mountains - there were wooden fortresses and then brick kremlins. And you will not find such an extended structure as a large serif line anywhere in Europe.
            We turn to the Renaissance: Ivan the Terrible created virtually the first professional army in Europe. In the Battle of Molodi, walk-cities — mobile forts — were used. Peter I was the first in Europe to introduce a postal service with the so-called pits - transshipment points for messengers, where you could replace a horse, eat, relax. Uses pre-fabricated redoubts and forts in the Russian-Swedish war. Instead of large flagships, it makes fast and powerful frigates the basis of its strategy. Produces the so-called unicorns, which was a symbiosis of a cannon shooting along a flat trajectory, and howitzers. Subsequently, unicorns appeared, shooting discs, which had greater accuracy and range. Russian Reytars - Cossacks are the only ones in Europe who use Dzhigitovka as a way of protection without armor. A blow with a saber held with one hand was comparable to a blow with a half-turn Japanese katana - it could cut a man in two.
            The Russian gunsmith Fedorov created the world's first automatic rifle. You can somehow find the achievements of the USSR in military affairs.
            Russia is the only one in the world in its history that has won as a result of direct wars and with its own forces the largest number of great powers of its time: the Khazar Kaganate, the Golden Horde, ON, the Commonwealth, the Swedish Empire, the Ottoman Empire, Napoleonic France, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Hitler Germany .
            When half of the population of Europe was wiped out by the plague epidemic, in Russia they washed all year round in barrels and baths, in contrast to "enlightened" Europe. While in Europe, slops and sewage were washed off on the heads of passers-by or into the nearest ditch, in Russia there was a sewage system in some villages as early as the XNUMXth century. In the XNUMXth century, Karl! And also a system of cesspools, removal and incineration of waste from them. Until now, we wash ourselves with running water, while Europeans and Americans collect water in the washbasin, i.e. water is used repeatedly, which is not conducive to hygiene. Until the twentieth century. in villages, starting from the middle zone, ice cellars were used year-round. And the Scandinavians who lived in the shadow of the Gulf Stream, who knew the Russian north, called our country "Gardarika", that is. country of cities, meaning even more than their own number of settlements.
            While despotism ruled in Europe, in Novgorod - veche, a republic, I mean, and water supply. Russian truth Yaroslav the Wise was the first set of laws of post-barbaric Europe. While Great Britain waged opium wars with the Middle Empire, poisoning it with opium and plundering wealth, drove slaves into slavery all over the world and squeezed all the juices from the colonies, in Russia every annexed people were equalized with Russians and could go to the civil service, to the army , to church, to trade, to have land allotments, to do science and to open manufactories and factories, preserving their religion and language.
            Russia has always actively actively traded with Europe, for example, linen fabrics, and before the Europeans discovered tea, almost all of Europe used domestic Ivan-tea. Elets lace, Ivanovsky chintz, palekh, Khokhloma, Gzhel were known far beyond the borders of the country. Russian classical literature, theater, painting, opera and ballet are famous all over the world.
            In Russia, broader strata of the population possessed literacy than in the West: all the priests (feel the difference) and merchants were literate, and it was possible to get into the class of merchants without permission even from peasants. And there were many merchants (and later Russia was the first in the world to equalize the rights of men and women). And even in the days of Ivan the Terrible, birch bark "comics" were in use - even the peasants bought them - they often taught their children to read from them. I am generally silent about the parish schools.
            Lomonosov formulated the universal law of conservation of matter and motion and created the molecular-kinetic theory of heat. Mendeleev - the periodic law of chemical elements. Pirogov made surgery a science, founded military field surgery, invented gypsum. In the XVIII century. Russia conducted the largest geographic expedition in scale and results in world history.
            1. unaha
              unaha 9 July 2020 09: 46 New
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              Well, I will not answer everything - too much, selectively only. You mix idea, end product and TECHNOLOGY in the mass of postulates, as in the example with ships, firearms, etc. We have original ideas and products come up, but the vast majority of production technologies are imported.
              Examples of social orientation are also inappropriate. Novgorod Republic, this is wonderful - do not remind me where it is now? And really appeared right before the Roman, Greek and many other republics?
              Education ... call the oldest Russian university, will be earlier than Western? Where did the Russian alphabet come from? And for whom did the Bolsheviks carry out educational program?
              Determining the priority of technology in the Middle Ages is generally a disastrous business. As in the example with bows - stacked bows were used by both the steppe peoples and the Ottomans, and many others. And who started earlier ....
              Let's operate the RESULTS for today - with very few exceptions, we use both the technology and civilizational ideas of Western countries.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 9 July 2020 20: 22 New
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                Quote: unaha
                Let's operate the RESULTS for today

                The results of "civilized Europe" are impressive today. The propaganda of homosexuality and all kinds of tolerance, including all sorts of perversions, legalization of drugs, Europe is filled with ethnic gangs of all stripes, they, and not the indigenous people, rule the show in Europe. A new trend, kneeling down in front of blacks, even those who have nothing to do with slavery in the United States (the main thing is that the skin color is white). The RESULTS are impressive. Go and live there yourself. Times are free now, no one is holding. wink
                1. unaha
                  unaha 10 July 2020 10: 43 New
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                  Abalde! What relation do these phenomena have to the initial topic of TECHNOLOGIES ?!
                  I would actually go, but a bit old already)
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 10 July 2020 17: 43 New
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                    Quote: unaha
                    I would actually go, but a bit old already

                    Ride, Ride .. Anyone come in handy ..
              2. vVvAD
                vVvAD 11 July 2020 10: 41 New
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                [quote = unaha] Novgorod Republic, this is wonderful - do not remind where it is now? [\ quote]
                And where are the ideas of the great French revolution: Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité? However, for some reason it does not occur to anyone to deny its significance.
                [quote = unaha] Education ... what is the oldest Russian university, will it be earlier than western ones? [\ quote]
                In Russia, education developed longer in line with the church, secular universities appeared later. But this does not negate the fact that many commoners in Russia were able to read and write, and in Europe, not every priest was literate. Churches in Russia also performed the functions of modern registry offices and statistical agencies. Technologies and crafts in Russia are constantly evolving - evidence of this is the active trade outside the products of their own production and the successful opposition to the strongest powers of their time.
                [quote = unaha] Where did the Russian alphabet come from? [\ quote]
                And what do you know about the written language in Russia before Cyril and Methodius?
                Maybe you heard something about the Phaistos disc and Veles book? About the nodal record of scouts and messengers, about the birch bark of merchants, about the runic, finally about the Slavic letter of 49 characters - compare it with the alphabet of Cyril and Methodius and do not disgrace anymore!
                [quote = unaha] And for whom did the Bolsheviks carry out educational program? [\ quote]
                Many do not mean everything. The pre-revolutionary literacy rate in Russia, if my memory serves me right, was around 20%. And their ambitions were - 100%.
                Tell me a western country of that time with a similar literacy rate.
                [quote = unaha] Determining the priority of technology in the Middle Ages is generally a disastrous business. As in the example with bows - stacked bows were used by both the steppe peoples and the Ottomans, and many others. [\ quote]
                Actually, I replied to this post.
                [quote = unaha] Apparently this is from Russia to Europe all the technologies, and civilizational ideas have come in recent years [/ quote]
                [quote = unaha] Let's operate with RESULTS for today - with very few exceptions we use both technologies and civilizational ideas of western countries. [\ quote]
                First, not because of great intelligence after the destruction of the USSR, we again began to borrow Western models. And something of the outstanding results of their use in their pure form is somehow not visible. Examples: the destruction of social elevators from the bottom up, the dominance of effective managers who do not know their business, the approach to people like batteries, an economy of unlimited growth that depletes the planet's resources with the transformation of the poorest countries into landfills, the planned obsolescence of commodities to maintain and increase production rates, marketing to snatch what you don't need, hand-made economic crises, raising a mindless mass of easily manageable consumers with minimal education, licensing holes in the walls and repairing cisterns, "positive" discrimination against a corrupt and derailed majority minority, a policy of economic strangulation and political isolation of competitors, the worst examples of propaganda even in comparison with the USSR, the unleashing of all world wars, the use of unjustified cruelty without real military necessity (Cromwell's campaign, the Boston tea party, the extermination of the indigenous population of the Americas, and much more): burning out the mountains dov (Dresden, for example), the destruction of the population with chemicals (for example, agent Orange), the use of atomic weapons in Japan to intimidate the USSR, fascism, concentration camps - in your opinion, worthy examples?
                Yes, everything is on the heap - because the enumeration of areas where the West has spoiled the world will take a very large amount.

                Secondly: okay? I will list the main world and western civilizational conquests from Russia, Russia, and the USSR:
                - Equality of different nationalities, religious tolerance - hoary antiquity in Russia.
                - Equality of women and men - merchants in Russia, the USSR at the beginning of the XX century.
                - Elements of economic planning, adjusted for the capitalistic system by modern "developed" economies, limiting production and consumption to the necessary volumes and objective needs - State Planning Institute.
                - Lean production, increased reliability, a system of rationalization of production.
                - Waste-free production, resource-saving - the integrated principle of the organization of production.
                - The standardization system (probably heard about HASP) - GOST system.
                - A team way of work, motivation by competitiveness - a team in a row.
                - Scientific expertise of political decisions - USSR Academy of Sciences.
                - Scientific approach to management, management - political economy, scientific management theory.
                - Guaranteed labor rights: on vacation, incl. maternity and childcare, guaranteed pension - Labor Code.
                - Universal free education - and in the USSR it was also elitist, while in the West VO is paid and elite.
                - Universal free medicine and social security.
                - A consensus decision-making method as opposed to negative discrimination by a majority of the minority in a democracy.
                - Public voting without the possibility of concealing secret motives.
                - Constant involvement in volunteering, purposeful upbringing of children and youth on universal human ideals - the movement of the Octobrists, pioneers, Komsomol.

                Domestic technologies, starting from ancient times, and ending with the latest, just the sea - even the most basic ones to list here are not enough - you just don’t know about them. For example, in view of the fact that the patent system in the USSR was used only in relation to foreign applicants - hundreds of thousands of inventions and rational proposals either remained under the heading secret or became public, and this is evidenced, for example, by the presence of dozens of specialized magazines devoted to rationalization as open, and for official use, as well as 1st place in the world of the USSR in the number of scientific publications and inventions.
                1. unaha
                  unaha 13 July 2020 11: 47 New
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                  "And where are the ideas of the great French revolution now: Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité? However, for some reason, it never occurs to anyone to deny its significance."
                  These are the ideas we are using now (in the broad sense) in terms of state organization.

                  "In Russia, education developed longer in the mainstream of the church, secular universities appeared later. But this does not negate the fact that many commoners in Russia could read and write, and in Europe not every priest was literate."
                  But in general, the entire scientific and educational environment is Western. With some correction for the Soviet period, from which we are slowly but surely getting rid of.

                  "And what do you generally know about writing in Russia before Cyril and Methodius?"
                  Maybe you've heard something about the Phaistos disc and Veles's book? About the nodular notation of scouts and messengers, about birch bark planks of merchants, about runitsa, and finally about a Slavic initial letter of 49 characters - compare it with the alphabet of Cyril and Methodius and do not disgrace yourself anymore! "
                  I may not know, and we use nodal writing or runic !? Or is it the Cyrillic alphabet developed for us by the Greeks? Return to the source of the discussion, it is not about what was or could be, but about what IS.

                  "Actually, I answered this post.
                  Quote: unaha
                  Apparently this is from Russia to Europe all the technologies, and civilizational ideas have come in recent years
                  "
                  Well, let's start with Peter's reforms)))
                  They were 100% satisfied with the import of Western European technologies and cultures. Do you agree? Of course there were deviations, but fundamentally the situation does not change from this, right?

                  "For example, due to the fact that the patent system in the USSR was used only in relation to foreign applicants - hundreds of thousands of inventions and rationalization proposals either remained classified or became public knowledge" - well! You yourself confirm that the ideas simply DIDN'T WORK, didn’t go into technology and product.
                  You understand already, it doesn’t matter to me the reasons why the most advanced inventions and ideas made in the USSR or earlier in the Republic of Ingushetia did not go anywhere, even though they went to the special forces, even though they left to the west with a carrier, even though they were used exclusively in the defense industry.
                  As a result, we are importers of technology, even where we produce the product ourselves.
                  IT, means of production, agricultural technologies, household appliances - do you find something in these technologies domestic?
                  Let me give you an example of what I mean by technology - the advertised "black" wing for the MS-21. The wing was designed by a domestic company. However, the production line and the process itself are Austrian. Therefore, the product (let's not talk about materials now) is domestic, but the technology is not. And a similar situation will be in almost everything.
                  What was or could be - leave to historians and writers alternative realities.
                  1. vVvAD
                    vVvAD 15 July 2020 13: 26 New
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                    Quote: unaha
                    These are the ideas we are using now (in the broad sense) in terms of state organization.]

                    We use different ideas, not only these, and not only Western ones, but among the latter, unfortunately, not only the best.
                    Quote: unaha
                    But in general, the entire scientific and educational environment is Western.

                    Delirium of pure water. Fewer fewer people will agree with this statement of yours than with this:
                    “It’s not the generals who win the wars, but the school teachers” - you yourself so deign to find the author.
                    And so it has always been, the improvement of technology has never stopped. And we won a lot of wars.
                    Quote: unaha
                    Return to the source of the discussion, it is not about what was or could be, but about what IS.

                    The source of the discussion is the truncated letter Cyril and Methodius I mentioned 7x7. They did not invent anything, but merely adapted for their purposes (the creation of church writing) the existing Slavic writing, leaving only the phonetic and graphic systems.
                    Quote: unaha
                    They were 100% satisfied with the import of Western European technologies and cultures. Do you agree?

                    No, I do not agree. Externally - yes - to be similar and understandable to Europeans. Internally, no.
                    In general, the borrowing of the best Western technologies and practices has taken place. That country and nation that is incapable of this is doomed to hang out on the periphery of geopolitics.
                    As I already wrote, Peter’s victories are primarily connected with what the modern Europeans as a whole, and the Swedish empire in particular, did not have: courier service, advanced fortification and approaches in naval affairs.
                    Yes, they were based on Western achievements, but any achievements are based on the previous ones, and according to your logic, the T-34 is borrowing from the Christie tank.
                    You yourself confirm that the ideas simply did NOT WORK, did not go into technology and the product.

                    Do not pull the phrases out of context, omitting that you are not profitable in discussions about what you have no idea at all.
                    "For example, in view of the fact that the patent system in the USSR was used only in relation to foreign applicants - hundreds of thousands of inventions and rationalization proposals either remained classified or became public knowledge."
                    The first dealt with critical technologies that were not supposed to leave the country, and for some reason you "forgot" about the second.
                    They worked and passed into products, but in a different way than in the West. The patent system inside the USSR was not needed: it was clear that the ban and royalties slowed down the introduction of innovations. The system of introducing rational proposals in production was modernly cleaned by the West in the USSR.
                    Quote: unaha
                    As a result, we are importers of technology, even where we produce the product ourselves.

                    Where else? What: The USA is autarky and doesn’t import anything? Yes, the volume of their imports is far ahead of exports. We are in the open market.
                    Quote: unaha
                    Let me give you an example of what I mean by technology - the advertised "black" wing for the MS-21.

                    Well done, we bought the technology. This is cheaper than developing from zero - pumping a huge lot of time and money into it. This is called "reverse engineering," and China has risen on this. Wait 0-5 years for domestic equipment with improved performance. And according to the materials, we are independent.
                    And so it should be done wherever possible - the reproduction, adaptation and development of the world's best technologies and practices are the key to the successful development of any world power. And so do everyone.
                    But the USA with rare-earth metals is now stuck: the volumes and prices for them will now be completely different from those when they were purchased from China.
              3. vVvAD
                vVvAD 11 July 2020 10: 57 New
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                Well, if very briefly, about things "ruminants", then the radio, TV, player (radio "Micro") comes from the USSR.
                1. unaha
                  unaha 13 July 2020 10: 59 New
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                  Radio and TV then why? Popov settled on the theory, and the Marconi company exists (existed until recently?) And now. Zvorykin fled from the revolution in the United States.
                  Micro was quite advanced device, albeit with "terrible" guts and in terms of production culture. But that's all (with regards to mass production).
                  I repeat once again, we do have original ideas, but they are often implemented not with us. The most striking example is a computer. There were their own architectures, but the leaders decided to copy IBM, and that's all. The WHOLE industry is totally exclusively US technology. And because "Elbrus" has its own architecture, nothing changes, the production technology of the product is not ours. We actually don't have them at all.
                  1. vVvAD
                    vVvAD 15 July 2020 12: 52 New
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                    Come on? Light industry: it is difficult to find what we do not produce: starting from dishes and kitchen utensils, and ending with clothes, plumbing equipment, etc. etc. Household appliances: from small types of watches and electronic home watches, radios, radio sets, irons, vacuum cleaners and gas stoves, dishwashers and washing machines, centrifuges, refrigerators - household and industrial.
                    Sports equipment and sports weapons.
                    Agricultural products and agricultural machinery of the USSR and modern Russian.
                    Chemical and pharmaceutical industry, advanced radiological, diagnostic, physiotherapeutic equipment, laser surgery devices, artificial organs.
                    Cars, trucks, buses, trams, trolleybuses, special equipment, rolling stock.
                    Vessels from yachts to oil, gas and container ships, floating canneries, oil platforms, including Arctic class, icebreakers, compact and floating nuclear power plants.
                    Aviation and space both in the USSR and modern ones after a long "hammering" and hope for "international cooperation" and faith in fair competition from Western "partners".
                    There were own architectures, but the top decided to copy IBM

                    It was a decision of the political leadership, and not of the then scientific community.
                    Few people know, but the then achievements of IBM were based on Soviet developments. The scientific examination of political decisions by that time was abolished by the authorities in order to maintain power in the conditions of its incompetence, corruption, mutual responsibility and usurpation of wealth, property and power.
                    Those. in fact, all your claims come down to the modern lag of the Russian Federation in microelectronics from China?
                    I remember Trump wanted to transfer the production of iPhones to the United States, the result was no: during this time the United States itself has lost competence in this area and is able to only design, but not produce anything that the modern radio-electronic industry of Russia is capable of - both in terms of functionality and dimensions and price.
                    1. unaha
                      unaha 15 July 2020 13: 19 New
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                      Phew ... went to a new circle))) You have listed the mass of products manufactured in the Russian Federation. That's right, we produce the product. But production technologies and means of production are not ours. Naturally, they cannot be our ALL, but there must be some significant proportion in accordance with the volume of scientific developments.
                      And the main complaints are that for some reason the link "idea" - "technological implementation of the idea" - "production of a product" - "export of a product and technology" - "getting benefit (as in money , and in the influence) from the spread ".
                      1. vVvAD
                        vVvAD 18 July 2020 19: 43 New
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                        But with this it is impossible to disagree good
              4. BastaKarapuzik And
                BastaKarapuzik And 12 July 2020 16: 57 New
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                Quote: unaha
                but the vast majority of production technologies are imported

                Quote: unaha
                with very few exceptions, we use both the technology and civilizational ideas of Western countries.

                But this is not fair, there are too many so-called Western countries, can we really surpass them all taken together? Take the space that we used there? The development of Germany in the 40s on rocket engines? This despite the fact that Tsialkovsky made all the theoretical calculations? Well, who is it that who took over from whom?
                Take atomic energy. We were catching up with Americans who were familiar with German developments. Can the Americans be blamed for using German technology? But the Germans took the wrong path. And we say - Western countries, each other's tibers, that's all. America finalized and developed this direction begun by the Germans, we also finalized and developed. What is the difference? We made the first nuclear fusion bomb. Modern Russian nuclear technologies are, without exaggeration, the best in the world.
                You can, of course, name some critical technologies in which we were catching up, just do not need to summarize Western countries, they do not all have technologies there like from a cornucopia, the technological locomotive (in recent history) was mainly America, from where the mass microelectronics and computer engineering (an example of breakthrough technologies). But this is the only country acquired from the Second World War, the main beneficiary.
                As for civilizational ideas, many of them were adopted by us and turned out to be monstrously harmful. Darwinism humanized man and gave birth to racism and fascism.
                Ideas of tolerance towards LGBT people in general can lead to the death of civilization.
                The global civilization idea is Christianity, it changed the course of the whole world history, but this idea did not come out of the Western countries, it came to them almost 2000 years ago.
                1. unaha
                  unaha 13 July 2020 11: 57 New
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                  “As for civilizational ideas, many of them were adopted by us and in fact turned out to be monstrously harmful. Darwinism dehumanized man and gave birth to racism and fascism.
                  Ideas of tolerance towards LGBT people in general can lead to the death of civilization. "- after all, I do not argue, here I am generally a pessimist))) I point out the fact - we adopted them.
                  "Christianity is a global civilizational idea, it changed the course of world history, but this idea did not come out of Western countries" - it is also true, but we adopted this idea, and twice - first from Byzantium, and then "upgraded" to the actual Greek version of Nikon's reform.
                  Caught up with Western Europe under Peter, under Catherine, with the Bolsheviks, we are adjusting now.
                  I understand that it is unpleasant. But that's how it is. Regardless of the reasons: "but if the idea of ​​socialism had not" bent "and the USSR had not collapsed ...". It bent down and the USSR collapsed.
            2. Icelord
              Icelord 23 July 2020 12: 59 New
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              You came up with this powerfully, I envy your imagination)))
              1. vVvAD
                vVvAD 23 July 2020 14: 29 New
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                "A people who do not know their history has no future," do you know whose words, or did I also come up with this?
                1. Icelord
                  Icelord 23 July 2020 14: 33 New
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                  Well Duc and I tell you the same, you need to know the story, and not fantasize. And it has long been known that the homeland of elephants)))
                  1. vVvAD
                    vVvAD 23 July 2020 14: 39 New
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                    If you personally are not aware of something, it only speaks about the breadth of your horizons.
                    Without you, there are a lot of people, and there are many who are in the subject. If I had fantasized something, I would have laid siege to you much earlier, my dear.
                    Choose any of the indicated technologies, objects and phenomena and - look, and do not use your tongue in vain.
                    1. Icelord
                      Icelord 23 July 2020 14: 44 New
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                      Come on? Light industry: it is difficult to find what we do not produce: starting from dishes and kitchen utensils, and ending with clothes, plumbing equipment, etc. etc. Household appliances: from small types of watches and electronic home watches, radios, radio sets, irons, vacuum cleaners and gas stoves, dishwashers and washing machines, centrifuges, refrigerators - household and industrial. 
                      Sports equipment and sports weapons. 
                      Agricultural products and agricultural machinery of the USSR and modern Russian.
                      Chemical and pharmaceutical industry, advanced radiological, diagnostic, physiotherapeutic equipment, laser surgery devices, artificial organs. 
                      Cars, trucks, buses, trams, trolleybuses, special equipment, rolling stock. 
                      Vessels from yachts to oil, gas and container ships, floating canneries, oil platforms, including Arctic class, icebreakers, compact and floating nuclear power plants.
                      Aviation and space both in the USSR and modern ones after a long "hammering" and hope for "international cooperation" and faith in fair competition from Western "partners".

                      There were own architectures, but the top decided to copy IBM


                      It was a decision of the political leadership, and not of the then scientific community. 
                      Few people know, but the then achievements of IBM were based on Soviet developments. The scientific examination of political decisions by that time was abolished by the authorities in order to maintain power in the conditions of its incompetence, corruption, mutual responsibility and usurpation of wealth, property and power.
                      Those. in fact, all your claims come down to the modern lag of the Russian Federation in microelectronics from China? 
                      I remember Trump wanted to transfer the production of iPhones to the United States, the result was no: during this time the United States itself has lost competence in this area and is able to only design, but not produce anything that the modern radio-electronic industry of Russia is capable of - both in terms of functionality and dimensions and price.
                      And this is all you are serious? How can you choose something if everything is nonsense
                      1. vVvAD
                        vVvAD 23 July 2020 14: 53 New
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                        I sympathize with you: you don't even want to try to check something.
                        And I'm not going to participate in empty conversations hi
        2. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 09: 11 New
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          In fact, it was in "Europe" they burned people on fires, publicly executed the most barbarous executions like quartering and wheeling, carried out genocide of entire nations, traded in slaves, killed millions of people in concentration camps, it was in "Europe" that the cannibalistic theories of social Darwinism and Malthusianism were invented, and as the apotheosis of all this - it was in "Europe" that Nazism arose.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 8 July 2020 10: 05 New
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            Quote: Kot_Kuzya
            In fact, it was in "Europe" they burned people on fires, publicly executed the most barbaric executions like quartering and wheeling, carried out genocide of entire nations, traded in slaves, killed millions of people in concentration camps,

            Didn't we have that? Quartering, wheeling, burning, slave trade, camps ... Yes, Peter once said - "we take the measure from the West." But ... it was. Everything was!
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 9 July 2020 20: 25 New
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              Quote: kalibr
              And we didn’t have this?

              It is said that Ivan the Terrible is just a small child in comparison with the European monarchs of those times. wink
            2. your1970
              your1970 11 July 2020 07: 52 New
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              Quote: kalibr
              But ... it was. Everything was!

              And was the Inquisition? Oh well
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 11 July 2020 08: 23 New
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                There was a hole and a whip "long", from where the expression came: "true truth." And snatching nostrils for smoking herd-herb. Without any inquisition ...
                1. your1970
                  your1970 11 July 2020 12: 09 New
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                  You do not confuse torture with the daily public burning of heretics ... Slightly different things
          2. unaha
            unaha 8 July 2020 10: 10 New
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            You actually confirmed my thesis))) Yes, not all ideas born in Europe are humanistic. But they are born there.
            Well, about executions and torture - they were not much different. And the "conquest of Siberia" was by no means bloodless either. Although, of course, not as cruel as in the European colonies.
            1. Kot_Kuzya
              Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 10: 17 New
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              Quote: unaha
              And the "conquest of Siberia" was by no means bloodless either. Although, of course, not as cruel as in the European colonies.

              That's why the Yakuts, Buryats, Tuvans and Khakass have their own autonomies. And in the "blessed USA" there are only reservations on the most barren and arid lands, where the Indians were driven from "Europe".
              1. unaha
                unaha 8 July 2020 10: 42 New
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                Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                Quote: unaha
                And the "conquest of Siberia" was by no means bloodless either. Although, of course, not as cruel as in the European colonies.

                That's why the Yakuts, Buryats, Tuvans and Khakass have their own autonomies. And in the "blessed USA" there are only reservations on the most barren and arid lands, where the Indians were driven from "Europe".

                Does this somehow cancel the military clashes with the Voguls, Siberian Tatars, Yakuts, Tunguses? Huge victims of the consequences of the Nikon reform?
                Why are you trying to translate the arrows to "in America blacks are lynched" and pretend that "we are not like that"? All peoples have enough black pages of history and turning a blind eye to their own is not the best option, it gives away with hypocrisy.
                1. Kot_Kuzya
                  Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 10: 49 New
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                  The Russians, unlike the Amers and Europeans, did not genocide the peoples, and did not give rubles for the scalps of the Indians. Tatarstan, for example, quite lives for itself and feels great in a completely surrounded by Russian regions. Nobody committed genocide of Tatars. But about the genocide of the Irish by the "enlightened" English, you can write more than one book. This despite the fact that the Irish were just as white and the same Christians as the English. But this did not stop the British from trading the Irish in the New World for sugar and tobacco plantations.
                  1. unaha
                    unaha 8 July 2020 18: 28 New
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                    "Unlike amers and Europeans" - how widely do you swing))) Can you clarify who the Swiss, Norwegians and many other nations were "genocidal"? Are they all exactly "Europeans"?
                    1. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 9 July 2020 00: 18 New
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                      Norwegians genocide all of Europe, devastate its entire coast. The Swiss themselves are genocide.
                      1. unaha
                        unaha 9 July 2020 09: 13 New
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                        So the Slavic tribes in those days were not dandelions. Or did Oleg go on a tour to Byzantium? )
                        I don’t even remember about internecine strife.
                        Once again - people are essentially the same. Differences are manifested due to education, upbringing, being in a particular socio-cultural environment. Statements that some people are better than others by definition are, at best, terry chauvinism. And half a step to Nazism.
                    2. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 9 July 2020 20: 35 New
                      -1
                      Quote: unaha
                      Norwegians and many other nations?

                      Norwegians in the "Viking Age" "genocide" a lot of people, among whom were the ancestors of the French and the British, for example. But you final, did not know about it? lol
                      1. unaha
                        unaha 10 July 2020 10: 49 New
                        0
                        Precisely, exactly "genocide"? ) In my opinion, they just robbed.
                      2. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 10 July 2020 17: 57 New
                        0
                        Quote: unaha
                        In my opinion, they simply robbed.

                        You are simply poorly educated. By the way, a diploma from a higher educational institution does not yet speak about the education of an individual. Offhand, here's a mention, if you ask interest, you can probably still find it. True, you do not need this, but it does not cancel some of the genocide on the part of the "Normans". : [media = https: //ru.qwe.wiki/wiki/Scandinavian_Scotland]
                      3. unaha
                        unaha 10 July 2020 18: 17 New
                        +1
                        I won’t argue about long-standing events - on the one hand, nobody really knows what and how it was. Much more myths. On the other hand, it’s not very interesting.
                        We either return to the original topic - technological lagging and constant borrowing of technologies from leading countries ("breakthroughs" of Peter I, Stolypin, the Bolsheviks), or we finish the topic.
                        From a civilizational point of view, there is simply nothing to discuss - Byzantium, Western Europe under Peter, Germany represented by Marx, the "collective West" now — these are all sources of development.
                        Given that borrowing in itself is normal.
                        However, when they tell you about historical greatness and patriotism and warn you against "pernicious influence" despite the fact that you yourself are just at work - look after your pockets - they are sure to steal money.
                      4. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 10 July 2020 18: 30 New
                        0
                        Quote: unaha
                        I won’t argue about long-standing events - on the one hand, nobody really knows what and how it was. Much more myths. On the other hand, it’s not very interesting.

                        Actually, you are all. request I just commented on your comment about the Vikings and genocide. He pampered you with a reference, but you were not immediately interested. repeat You can, of course, talk a lot about Peter I, Ivan the Terrible and others in comparison with their "colleagues" from foreign powers of that time, but here the platform is not the same. And in the history branch, after I read the works of Caliber, I do not appear. I try to get information from more "competent" sources. hi
          3. Tank hard
            Tank hard 9 July 2020 20: 32 New
            -1
            Quote: unaha
            Does this somehow cancel the military clashes with the Voguls, Siberian Tatars, Yakuts, Tunguses? Huge victims of the consequences of the Nikon reform?

            But what about the military clashes of the "Siberian" peoples among themselves? Huh? Admit it already, do you just hate Russia and everything Russian? Hate and try to denigrate ... Well, at least they learned the story, so as not to look so pathetic. wink
            1. unaha
              unaha 10 July 2020 10: 56 New
              +1
              "you just hate Russia and everything Russian" - what is it all of a sudden? I am even a slightly Russian nationalist. You traditionally confuse (or deliberately mix concepts) the attitude towards the country and towards the state. However, this in no way replaces the need for a real view of the situation and history. And mythologizing history and building views on the basis of what is desired, and not the real, will not end well. Negative or directly hostile attitude on the part of the former republics and countries of the socialist camp is a clear example of what the belief in their own delusions, in particular, in the "friendship of peoples" in this case, leads to.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 10 July 2020 18: 13 New
                -1
                Quote: unaha
                I am even a Russian nationalist slightly.

                Yeah, you and Caliber, two slightly Russian nationalists. Masterpiece! fellow
                1. unaha
                  unaha 10 July 2020 18: 31 New
                  +1
                  Consider the analogy: a country and a state are sick. I see this and I think that this fact should be recognized and problems should be solved. However, as an alcoholic, for example, never admits that he himself is the cause of his problems, so the state is in your person for example. Anyone is to blame for the problems: Americans, traitors, p ... sy and liberals, but not him. And the fact that the neighbors are running away with ... they put ungrateful and iron doors, and even they call outsiders to help - that’s how traitors are all without exception.
                  In general, we have different concepts of help.
                2. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 10 July 2020 18: 33 New
                  -1
                  Quote: unaha
                  In general, we have different concepts of help.

                  We are completely different. yes
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 8 July 2020 10: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: unaha
    Many new homes are being built with autonomous boiler rooms and are valued higher. Because they consume only gas and cold water.

    And electricity.

    And electricity is produced at a thermal power plant, where thermal energy (stored in hot water), which can heat (and heat) and should heat apartments, is so beneficial (to a certain, sufficiently large distance, to the thermal power plant) by-product.

    Regarding multiple references by the author non-competitive cold countries and attractiveness and warm competition countries, then, by this logic, the richest and most prosperous country in the world should be, for example, Central African Republic. yes

    And this is the poorest state in the world and the basis of its economy ... logging is rich deposits of diamonds, uranium, gold, oil, forest and hydropower resources. (something familiar, yes recourse )

    In reality, it is the northern countries that are rich, and even in Europe — the north the country — the richer and even the north of Italy — much richer than its south ...

    Factors are much more than heating: somewhere it’s cheaper to produce, but somewhere, but much closer, cheaper to bring.

    Somewhere they spend on heating, but somewhere it is necessary to spend money on cooling (in a modern technological production) and so on.
  • meandr51
    meandr51 9 September 2020 14: 14 New
    0
    Let them follow us and steal our technology. Have you heard about MSU and MVTU? It is their graduates that need to be used inside the country. In 1939, Stalin summoned Yakovlev and asked: "How much time do you need for a new fighter?" "Well, it takes Americans 3 years. But there is a much higher level of science and production." - "And you, Comrade Yakovlev, are you an American? We can give you 3 months." Yak-1 took off six months later. And after 3 years he became the best fighter in the world. Primitive technology, yeah ...
  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 06: 33 New
    +9
    Do not write nonsense. In Germany, the average January temperature is above zero and no permanent snow cover is formed in Germany. Territories where there is no winter are economically competitive, that is, the average temperature of the coldest month is above zero and in winter there is no stable snow cover. This is caused by the fact that where the temperature is all year round, there is no need for insulation of communications, since there is no risk of freezing and tearing, there is no need to thoroughly insulate buildings and houses, there are no large heating costs, there are no costs for cleaning roads, yards, airports from the snow, even trite do not need spending on the purchase of winter tires. In animal husbandry, this is also a big plus, as livestock can graze on pastures all year round and there is no need to harvest livestock feed for the winter and build warm cowsheds. In Russia, only the Krasnodar Territory and Crimea fall under this requirement. All other regions of Russia in the world economy are uncompetitive, and territories with an average annual temperature below -2, that is, areas with permafrost, are economically inexpedient to populate and build cities such as Vorkuta, Norilsk, Magadan, etc., in such territories it is necessary to build only shift camps for mining.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 07: 56 New
      +2
      March 8 was traveling from Wurzburg to Frankfurt Airport. In Bavaria, the snow lay.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 08: 08 New
        +4
        In Bavaria, the mountainous terrain, after all, the Alps, it is natural that in the mountains in the winter lies snow. In Courchevel, snow also lies in winter, although snow is very rare in Paris.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 July 2020 08: 11 New
          +1
          Not everywhere. But Bavaria, however, is Germany’s second-largest land for money, after North Rhine-Westphalia hi
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 08: 37 New
            +3
            In Krasnodar, in the winter after a snowfall, how many days usually snow? 2-3 days?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 8 July 2020 08: 39 New
              +1
              Best case scenario laughing
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 09: 01 New
                +3
                Lucky you. We have 7 months of snow belay
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 8 July 2020 09: 27 New
                  0
                  Where is it with you, sorry?
                  1. Kot_Kuzya
                    Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 09: 30 New
                    +3
                    Yakutsk. The coldest city in Russia belay
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 09: 32 New
                      0
                      Undeniably laughing Probably has its charms hi
                    2. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 09: 43 New
                      +3
                      In winter, the balcony can be used as a freezer lol There are no thaws.
                    3. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 09: 48 New
                      0
                      Probably more salaries
                    4. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 10: 14 New
                      +1
                      Yes, nevermind, district 40% and northern 80%, the average salary is from 40 to 70 thousand. 80 thousand is already considered good. For 2019, 1050 thousand personal income tax payments were issued for me, excluding taxes it is about 75 thousand. Potato 55 stands, 250 cucumbers and tomatoes, 350 in winter.
                    5. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 10: 28 New
                      0
                      250 - ordinary, not pink? Communal winter how much a month?
                    6. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 10: 39 New
                      0
                      80 meters 14 thousand for everything: heating, water, gas, electricity, etc., apart from the Internet, of course, it costs 950 rubles. Well at least unlimited wink The wife earns the same amount.
                      I do not understand tomato varieties, since it does not grow with us. We take that prettier and cheaper.
                    7. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 10: 41 New
                      0
                      It's expensive - over 80 meters
                      Sorry to bother you - but ordinary tomatoes, red, do you have 250? Not Uzbek pink?
                    8. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 10: 45 New
                      0
                      In our country, they are mainly either Uzbek or Chinese. There are few Krasnodar ones, they are expensive. Chinese are in demand, since they are closer to transport, or Uzbek, since they are initially cheaper than Krasnodar. I don’t understand tomato varieties, the red ones are so red, my wife made a salad, and okay. Eating and so laughing
                    9. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 10: 46 New
                      0
                      Understood thanks hi My dream is to trade agricultural products with the North
                    10. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 10: 50 New
                      -1
                      All profits will go to transportation costs.
                    11. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 10: 51 New
                      0
                      It must be considered. Can be transported from China.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 8 July 2020 11: 35 New
    -1
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    Yakutsk. The coldest city in Russia belay

    Is it possible that somewhere, in the pits on the earth, lowlands, ravines ---- lies much longer than 7 months? A picture from childhood: the shore of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. Pebbles. July. 3 people sunbathe ---- undressed .. On the edge of a small pit yellow irises grow. (which is rare, usually purple) In the depths of the pit ---- snow !!!
  • meandr51
    meandr51 9 September 2020 14: 16 New
    0
    And how long did he lie there?
  • kalibr
    kalibr 8 July 2020 10: 06 New
    -3
    But what about Sweden, Norway, Canada?
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 10: 20 New
      +2
      In Stockholm, the average January temperature is -3, warmer than in Rostov-on-Don; in Bergen, the average January temperature is +2 as in Anapa. And Toronto is located at the latitude of Sochi, across the river with the American Detroit.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 8 July 2020 10: 30 New
        -3
        That is, the whole thing is in the cold? Brains freeze and this is the root of evil!
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 8 July 2020 10: 48 New
        -2
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        In Stockholm, the average January temperature is -3, warmer than in Rostov-on-Don; in Bergen, the average January temperature is +2 as in Anapa. And Toronto is located at the latitude of Sochi, across the river with the American Detroit.

        Yes Ponte all this is a problem in the mentality of the population. IMHO.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 10: 29 New
      0
      They have a Gulf Stream. laughing
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 9 July 2020 06: 43 New
    0
    Territories where there is no winter are economically competitive, that is, the average temperature of the coldest month is above zero and in winter there is no stable snow cover.

    Too bad Canadians don't know. After all, there is snowy winter everywhere, well, except for Vancouver. About Chicago in general I am silent. And how do they live there ... wink
  • Svarog
    Svarog 8 July 2020 07: 10 New
    +2
    The essence of Russianness is the primacy of spirit over flesh-matter, truth over law, justice and truth over money-grubbing, common over personal. Therefore, Russia and Russians can never become part of the West. Otherwise, it will not be Russians, but slaves of the “golden calf” - a consumer society, the predatory world of capitalism.

    True, for this reason socialism is organically combined with the Russian soul.
    .
    You need to know that the “sweet life” of a consumer society, which was built in Russia, is bought at the expense of the export of unique mineral raw materials, at the expense of the future people. Moreover, within Russia itself, a free market is quite possible, with the heyday of small and medium-sized enterprises. Provided that the ruble will not change to currency. So that no one could export capital abroad.

    Here you need to understand that 10% have a "sweet life", while the rest cannot call it sweet.
    And the dawn of small and medium-sized businesses will not be in Russia. All will be owned by agricultural holdings, networks .. and in general any large business will eventually move into the "right" hands ..
    1. unaha
      unaha 8 July 2020 08: 24 New
      +3
      "The essence of Russianness is the primacy of spirit over flesh-matter, truth over law, justice and truth over acquisitiveness, common over personal. Therefore, Russia and the Russians will never be able to become part of the West" - well, yes, well, yes ... the party nomenclature, the "new Russian", the overwhelming majority of emigrants. As soon as an OPPORTUNITY appears, we quickly become like everyone else. Well, when there are no opportunities, then of course - "the primacy of spirit over flesh-matter", we are "not like that")))
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 8 July 2020 10: 07 New
        -1
        Everything is just like the father of Russophile Aksakov ...
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 9 July 2020 20: 42 New
          -1
          Quote: kalibr
          Everything is just like the father of Russophile Aksakov ..

          Russophobes do not like Russophiles, this is understandable. request
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 9 July 2020 20: 41 New
        -1
        Quote: unaha
        "The essence of Russianness is the primacy of spirit over flesh-matter, truth over law, justice and truth over money-grubbing, common over personal. Therefore, Russia and Russians will never be able to become part of the West.

        Quote: unaha
        "The essence of Russianness is the primacy of spirit over flesh-matter, truth over law, justice and truth over money-grubbing, common over personal. Therefore, Russia and Russians will never be able to become part of the West.

        In the Russian language there is such a concept-word as conscience, in contrast to English, in which there is no such word-concept, there is a moral word-concept, but these are two big differences. as they say in Odessa. Did you know about this? I think no. .. repeat
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 10 July 2020 09: 55 New
          -1
          No need to think! Need to know! Here is conscience in English: conscience, breast. And the word and concept!
          1. unaha
            unaha 10 July 2020 10: 48 New
            0
            Why to know? They said on TV that they weren’t ... Zadornov there or who else. And in general, Russians are the most-most ... Someone such fans of ancient myths remind me of ...
    2. depressant
      depressant 8 July 2020 16: 35 New
      +3
      It is agricultural holdings, Svarog.
      Here, for example, from the latter:

      "In Russia, the import substitution program continues, and not the government, but entrepreneurs."

      It would seem yes? And here it is:

      "Agrocomplex Vostochny decided to expand its greenhouse facilities and plans to build a large greenhouse complex on an area of ​​23 hectares. The complex will be located in the Stavropol Territory, in the Levokumsky District."

      The government helps agricultural holdings, but not to small farmers. And where should a peasant go? Did he pull this:

      "The complex will be equipped with the latest technology: lighting control systems, climate control systems, irrigation control systems. All this will allow us to grow high quality cucumbers and tomatoes in demand on the Russian market all year round. The planned production volume is expected to be 16500 tons of vegetables per year."

      Good? Who would argue. It is a global trend. And where to put the peasant?
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 9 July 2020 00: 01 New
        +2
        Farmers are also not peasants in the classical sense. There are small and large farmers, they need to find their niches. There are areas where it is initially useless to compete with large agricultural holdings. As a consumer, I don’t care who produced the product: an agricultural holding, a small or large farmer, a private household or a collective farm (oddly enough, they still exist in small numbers in some places). And it’s more convenient for me to buy products in a large store of a large trading network, rather than in a small private store.
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 10 July 2020 09: 56 New
        0
        Quote: depressant
        And where to put the peasant?

        Istrists have outlived their own!
        1. depressant
          depressant 10 July 2020 10: 37 New
          +1
          I don’t really agree.
          There are big capitalists. They can be such, no one objects. In addition, they have natural data and even, say, the scale of the entrepreneurial personality acquired in the fight against competitors. And most importantly, they were in the right place at the right time and got favorable starting opportunities for the implementation of the above. And there is a peasant who does not see himself otherwise than in a tractor on a field that needs to be plowed and sowed. Such is the natural destiny given to him by many generations of ancestors. But its scale is small, so you can break it through the knee? This is with our vast expanses! Whereas he is ready to master inconveniences and cultivate them from year to year, introducing manure fertilizers, increasing the layer of humus ... It turns out bad, inhumane! And this is in the conditions of a slowly developing industry, which is not yet able to absorb that peasant as a highly skilled labor force, while unskilled work can be performed by excavators and other equipment. And also Tajiks.
          Under Stalin, by the way, there were 3,5 million individual individuals, and no one spread rot on them. On the contrary, the state established such rules for their activities that they flourished, making a significant contribution to the development of the country. And it doesn’t get out of my head how a Kuban farmer was forced to destroy 20 tons of excellent radish this spring, and another farmer dumped several trucks of greenhouse cucumbers off the road - take it, good people! Take it for nothing! And this is only what has become public. In this regard, the state does not cope with its mission.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 11 July 2020 08: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: depressant
            Under Stalin, by the way, there were 3,5 million individual individuals, and no one spread rot on them.

            This is what you think of your ignorance. In fact, 60% of the repressed in the USSR did not fall on the intelligentsia, not on the workers, not on the military and KGB, but on the peasants. There were many of them and they were superfluous. Therefore, the felling for them was the very thing.
            1. depressant
              depressant 11 July 2020 09: 56 New
              0
              Vyacheslav Olegovich, I’m talking about one thing, you are talking about something else, you’re stubborn! ))) My grandmother and great-grandmother were single-handed, and my grandfather - yes, at that time I was serving a logging trip, then at a settlement in Kazakhstan. But he was a red officer, not from the peasants. Grandmother was from peasants. And while my grandfather was leaving, I returned to the roots. So she told how everything was arranged. Extremely reasonable. I even remember how I complained that the car came to other individual farmers from the zagotkontora and the crop was taken at a good price, but not to it, because the office was separated from the collective farm by Kuban, the ferry crossing, a significant part of the harvest had to be delivered to the collective farm. Nevertheless, the house was - a full bowl, namely, a house covered with iron. Due to the fact that the grandmother dragged part of the hump grown in the city and sold there on the collective farm market. While the collective farmers with their small personal plots of land have entirely huts covered with straw. Two women lived best in the village. Last year at VO there was a discussion as always - about Stalin, I had to study materials, horizons, so to speak, expand))
              Harvesters were in every area. The procurers knew their sole personalities. They arrived, took the grown at a price higher than the collective farm gave. The sole farmer still handed over something to the collective farm so that they would plow the land with a tractor and give him something that he himself did not grow. Part of the harvest was taken to the collective farm market, where he traded himself, there were no resellers, there was no place strictly for producers. The zagotkontora had large warehouses, and, if necessary, elevators. Since it was a legitimate organization, the state, shops, and processing plants legally collaborated with it.
              Labor on earth is hard. I believe that over time, the institute of individual students would quietly leave itself. But just when the country would have naturally, rather than violently, eliminated its need. What was Khrushchev afraid of? I believe that the discontent of the still poor post-war collective farmers amid the rapidly growing prosperity of individual farmers. Stalin was able to rule in such conditions, Khrushchev did not succeed and in one fell swoop solved the problem by prohibiting individual farmers, and the collective farmers established a fixed payment not for the volume of the crop, but for the time spent growing it - the so-called workday, salary. Putting a peasant on a paycheck is a joke!
              I'm talking about something else. Where are the modern procurement offices, they are vegetable stores and elevators - a kind of spacer between the store and the farmer? Why should a farmer destroy the tons of radishes he has grown, cucumbers with trucks and slaughter "extra" livestock? Maybe in order not to compete with some local "Miratorg", which is by definition a talented businessman, and a farmer, by the same definition, even in principle, has no right to be a talented producer of agricultural products - why? Whose side is the state on the side of the predatory monopolist Miratorg, which officially raised meat prices by 10% last year under the secret patronage of Mr. DA Medvedev, or the people of the country as a whole?
  • Civil
    Civil 8 July 2020 07: 57 New
    +8
    "You shouldn't be like that, the main thing in our country is autocracy, faith, nationality in an effort to build developed socialism with a promising exit to communism. In the meantime, capitalism. But there is no time to swing. And there was no. Here, perhaps, a clear plan is needed:
    1. Select passports and introduce serfdom (not to be confused with slavery), partially already in effect - the ban on travel in connection with the pasta. We will save our villages.
    2. The ban on registration in the cities of new citizens, Moscow and St. Petersburg are not rubber. All who do not have work in the city - send back the village to pick up.
    3. Gasoline strictly according to coupons, so that they work and do not wander where not too late. Home-work-home before special instructions or the building of communism. (partially realized by excise taxes on gasoline).
    4. Military service for 25 years to ordinary and retired officers with the provision of estates with serfs (partially realized, but without serfs).
    5. Shift workers and families to move closer to the fields and assign to firms, with the right not to pay for work. (Partially implemented, except for relocation of families). The issue of the population of the strategically important Arctic for oil and gas companies is being addressed.
    7. The Constitution and the state system - not to change in any case. "

    This is a joke and humor with an estimated opinion))))
    1. Errr
      Errr 8 July 2020 08: 19 New
      0
      Thank you for neighing from the heart. laughing hi
      After reading such articles, I am chronically interested - scribblers pedaling to return to the "bright past", there are ideological freaks who have never really been in this very past due to their youth, or serious venerable guys - "regular communist talkers", in 1991- Om "overturned" with their favorite "communist" feeding trough and therefore very much offended at the current state of affairs? Although, both options are possible.
      PS And the people of our Rasea are mostly good, sincere - no matter what they do, just do nothing. Folk wisdom, however. smile
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 8 July 2020 10: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Herrr
        I'm chronically interested - hackers pedaling to return to the "bright past", there are ideological freaks who have never really been in this very past in their youth, or serious venerable guys - "regular communiam talkers", in 1991 "overturned" with your favorite "communist" feeding trough and therefore very offended at the current state of affairs? Although, both options are possible.

        I would also like to know, but it doesn’t work out!
    2. Dimy4
      Dimy4 8 July 2020 08: 28 New
      +3
      This is a joke and humor with an estimated opinion))))

      You are careful with such jokes, otherwise our deputies from idleness might like some ideas.
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 8 July 2020 08: 34 New
      +3
      8. remove "softly" all the monuments to AI Sozhenitsyn and remove them from the school curriculum
    4. aglet
      aglet 8 July 2020 12: 08 New
      +1
      "7. The Constitution and the state system should not be changed in any way."
      and Putin talked about this more than once.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 8 July 2020 08: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Courier
    Speaking about "cold" Russia, you need to understand that 80% of the total population lives in the European part, where there is no harsh climate.

    Wherever we live, but we remain Russian, and will never become "Gay Europeans".
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 8 July 2020 10: 24 New
      0
      Wherever we live, but we remain Russian, and will never become "Gay Europeans".


      Damn, holy truth. But your children will already be citizens of the country in which they were born and went to school. And with their children, in general, there will only be rumors about the great-grandfather’s homeland ... hi
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 8 July 2020 11: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        But your children will already be citizens of the country in which they were born and went to school.

        Children and grandchildren were not born in Russia, they speak two three languages, but children and grandchildren are either citizens of Russia, or LBG, and I don’t know how great-grandchildren are.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 8 July 2020 09: 35 New
    +6
    Quote: Courier
    Climatic determinism is evil, just like geography.

    The climate of our immense is not as critical for the economy as the distance. Europe is compact, roads are laid everywhere and energy is supplied. In Russia, everything is completely different. 11 time zones for logistics and fast transportation of goods is not the best option.
    And partly agree with the author, we have our own path. It’s another matter that under the democrats, not with the liberals, and not even with the anarchists, we will not go this way. Democrats and liberals drag us by the ears to Europe, although all the way, for the most part, Russia fed on the Urals and Siberia. It’s a strange thing, in Siberia and the Urals, most of our wealth and space, and all the money is in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
    To tell you the truth, even the location of the capital of our country is not logical. It is more logical that the capital is located in the center of the country in order to coordinate decisions and actions with equal strength and speed in all directions. Moreover, we have BOTH capitals assigned to the western borders, and almost to the borders.
    Yes, our climate is harsh. And therefore (and not only therefore) the mentality of our people is unique. And our story is also unprecedented. We fought a lot, endured the need, and much happened that other nations did not even understand with our minds. This all tempered us as a people, making our mentality unlike any other. And that is why, for us, the concept of homeland, family, home, is much more than anywhere else. And thanks to this, we won the Second World War.
    In the USA, they talk a lot about freedoms, which defines the whole essence of the Western world ... but the real concept of Freedom is only in Russia. And it doesn’t matter who is in power, liberals, democrats ...
  • Doctor
    Doctor 8 July 2020 11: 53 New
    +2
    Speaking about "cold" Russia, you need to understand that 80% of the total population lives in the European part, where there is no harsh climate.

    Everything is relative.
    When Europeans colonized the continent, they occupied the most favorable climate zone.

    Seattle is the northernmost major city 47 parallel. This is our Rostov-on-Don.
    New York 40 - Yerevan. South of Tashkent.
    Los Angeles 34. Limassol (Cyprus).
    Miami 25 - Dubai.

    The United States is 90% between 50 and 30 parallels.
    Between Voronezh and Hurghada.

    For snow lovers there is Alaska. laughing
  • astepanov
    astepanov 8 July 2020 12: 18 New
    +3
    I will add: the author in every possible way avoids specifics and figures. And they are as follows: Russia takes only the fourth place in the world in terms of CO2 emissions, yielding to China, the USA and India. If the climate had a significant effect on energy consumption, the situation would be different.
    And a warm climate is not such a blessing. The United States spends much more energy on air conditioning than Russia does on heating; China has passed them around the shaft and India is catching up. We spend more on hot water (not heating!) Than on heating. Finally, fairy tales about incredibly warm and therefore terribly expensive buildings in Russia are only fairy tales. Cities of Europe consist of buildings that are hundreds of years old. We have few of them, because the quality of construction has always been not up to par.
    Finally, about the reasoning that we’ll conserve under the sovereign, we will grow spirituality and our own special science — then we will live. All this lies. Isolationism will not bring to good, especially on the basis of religion. What the hell is science in isolation? Has the author ever studied science at all and does he have an idea about it?
    Summary: from an article a mile away carries Black Hundreds and monarchism, mysticism is worse than that of Prokhanov.
  • Bar1
    Bar1 8 July 2020 13: 29 New
    -5
    autarky is the correct understanding of our way of life, although the word is not Russian, it is better to speak originality, so it’s completely in Russian.
    The Russians built Russia, and even in such very backward regions as Central Asia and the Caucasus, the Russians gave the same cities and civilization to these peoples. And even imagine the great Mongols who conquered half the world, and then degraded to the primitive communal system, all the cities the Russians built.
    But Russia / Russia is captured by strangers who imposed a disgusting mercantile lifestyle, lack of culture and complete lack of spirituality, and these are NOT RUSSIANs — they are really aliens. They are not white, but semi-white-gray, but impersonating whites. They lead Russia into the abyss in Russia by compared with the USSR is already lost.
    machine tool industry
    -electronic industry, how will we fight with the West, if ALL computers are foreign? pressed the button and the computers got up. This question excites everyone except Putin.
    - Aircraft manufacturing is in a pre-infarction state. At this ms21, almost everything is imported.
    -Automotive -LOSS. Lost own school.
    - the space industry is steadily falling; China, the European Union and Japan are already ahead of Russia in launches.
    -the systematic breakdown of the education system is going on, people are turning into -consumers who can only go shopping, it’s more expensive here, it’s cheaper there, they probably make up 50% of all conversations between people.
    -But then appeared 200 billionaires -Friends of Putin, who are still dragging over the hill and they themselves live there at the expense of the Russian people.
    The world under the control of the grays is rapidly bending and degrading.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 July 2020 16: 16 New
      +1
      Machine-tool industry - In Russia there are more than 200 offices and factories for the development and production of machine tools from grinding to large CNC machining centers and industrial 3D printers.
      Electronic industry - Roselectronika Holding includes 150 enterprises of research institutes for the creation and production of electronic components, and there are about 3000 registered offices in electronic components for applications and computers in Russia.
      Aircraft construction - MS 21 "By the time of serial production of the aircraft, localization (including domestic PD-14 engines) will reach 80%." The release of the Superjet 100 also continues - in total, their release has approached 200 sides, the release of the Il 76 90A, Il 96 400M, work on the Il 112, Il 114, R&D on the PAK TA civilian heavy transport aircraft Elephant, the medium Il 276, the PD engine continues 35 and its line, a promising aircraft electric engine, a supersonic businessjet, work is also continuing on scramjet and hypersonic aerodynamics, the creation of new materials for aviation and space technology.
      Space industry - This year they should launch the A5 Angara for the third time, despite all the new Dragon 2 ships and other Unions remaining the most trusted and reliable ships in the world, work is continuing on the Irtysh rocket with an RD 171MV engine, work is underway to create an extra heavy Yenisei rockets, the new manned spacecraft Orel, methane engines, detonation engines, spacecraft for nuclear rocket propulsion and Roskosmos continues to train cosmonauts from other countries to create custom satellites and equipment for interplanetary missions, as well as several private companies producing microsatellite components and creating systems in Russia for private space flights.
      People have always been consumers of something - this is not connected with education, it is simply a desire to live well and strive to have the best. But to consume something, to create something before, there is no way here without the formation of ingenuity and ingenuity. Less whining and distorting facts, life goes on and there is no gulf and never will be.
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 8 July 2020 16: 21 New
        -3
        Quote: Vadim237
        Machine-tool industry - In Russia there are more than 200 offices and factories for the development and production of machine tools from grinding to large CNC machining centers and industrial 3D printers.
        Electronic industry - Roselectronika Holding includes 150 enterprises of research institutes for the creation and production of electronic components, and there are about 3000 registered offices in electronic components for applications and computers in Russia.
        Aircraft construction - MS 21 "By the time of serial production of the aircraft, localization (including domestic PD-14 engines) will reach 80%." The release of the Superjet 100 also continues - in total, their release has approached 200 sides, the release of the Il 76 90A, Il 96 400M, work on the Il 112, Il 114, R&D on the PAK TA civilian heavy transport aircraft Elephant, the medium Il 276, the PD engine continues 35 and its line, a promising aircraft electric engine, a supersonic businessjet, work is also continuing on scramjet and hypersonic aerodynamics, the creation of new materials for aviation and space technology.
        Space industry - This year they should launch the A5 Angara for the third time, despite all the new Dragon 2 ships and other Unions remaining the most trusted and reliable ships in the world, work is continuing on the Irtysh rocket with an RD 171MV engine, work is underway to create an extra heavy Yenisei rockets, the new manned spacecraft Orel, methane engines, detonation engines, spacecraft for nuclear rocket propulsion and Roskosmos continues to train cosmonauts from other countries to create custom satellites and equipment for interplanetary missions, as well as several private companies producing microsatellite components and creating systems in Russia for private space flights.
        People have always been consumers of something - this is not connected with education, it is simply a desire to live well and strive to have the best. But to consume something, to create something before, there is no way here without the formation of ingenuity and ingenuity. Less whining and distorting facts, life goes on and there is no gulf and never will be.


        all this is Putin’s propaganda i.e. LIES.
        Pennant 410-charger for batteries, Of a hundred items of equipment, do you know how much is made in Russia? ONE elemental and everything. And everything else is behind the hill.

        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 9 July 2020 01: 24 New
          0
          This is not a lie - and I did not write rubbish about you, but you give it to me as an example, as opposed to aircraft machines and rocket engines. And yes, now all that is produced all over the world by cars, aircraft, equipment, computers, smartphones is the cooperation of a dozen countries, since it is expensive and unprofitable to produce a single board.
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 9 July 2020 08: 47 New
            -4
            Quote: Vadim237
            cooperation of a dozen countries since producing in one board is expensive and unprofitable for a long time.

            this is pure lies. It is not profitable if you stay within the framework of the existing capitalism-Putinism, but when production is established in your country, like T34 or IS2, or Kalash, or even Tu-154, or IL96, or RD170 then such production It will always be CHEAPER than producing everything in parts and abroad.
            The planned economy of socialism is always more effective than the economy of the spontaneous market. It is necessary to contrast the socialist economy with a capitalist, costly and always extensive one, and all these boingies and airbases will sprinkle like foliage from trees.
          2. Bar1
            Bar1 9 July 2020 08: 57 New
            -3
            Quote: Vadim237
            you are not talking about consumer trash wrote


            you as a forum propagandist i.e. not a specialist, you don’t even see the problem. In this consumer goods there are parts that DO NOT PRODUCE in Russia, in principle, these are complex microcircuits and powerful transistors. These elements are used not only in consumer goods, but can be used in any military products.
            You can take a computer, how many configurations in the same military computers



            in addition to the carrying handle, EVERYTHING else is not produced here, and even this bad Windows. Here you are completely dependent on the West in its purest form. Therefore, no war can in principle be, it is already lost.
          3. aglet
            aglet 9 July 2020 20: 42 New
            0
            "since it is expensive and unprofitable to produce one board for a long time."
            the Chinese somehow manage, quickly, cheaply and profitably
  • iouris
    iouris 8 July 2020 21: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Courier
    80% of the total population lives in the European part, where there is no harsh climate.

    You probably did not live in Germany. The climate of Sweden and Norway is affected by the Gulf Stream. In Canada, the climate is about the same as in the middle lane - look at the settlement scheme, then you will understand something.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 9 July 2020 20: 44 New
      0
      Quote: iouris

      You probably did not live in Germany.

      And what about the climate? Pretty warm, like in the Kaliningrad region or the Baltic states. repeat
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 9 July 2020 06: 40 New
    +1
    Yeah .. Supporters of Parshev prefer not to know that Americans spend more energy on conditioning than we do on heating. Again, depending on what to produce. If advanced high-tech goods, then the share of expenses for capital buildings and heating will be insignificant. And for the production of microelectronics, the best climate in Yakutia. Cold and dry air is needed in this area, so Intel and others spend a lot of money on draining and cooling it.
    And so on ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 July 2020 06: 45 New
      -2
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Parshev supporters prefer not to know that Americans spend more on air conditioning than we do on heating.

      I have not seen a single enterprise in Russia where there would be air conditioners.
      Quote: Sahalinets
      And for the production of microelectronics, the best climate in Yakutia.

      And why is it not produced there?
  • lirik
    lirik 13 July 2020 00: 32 New
    0
    Oh, how)))) And the fact that in March in Germany flowers are already in full bloom and people are walking naked in summer, doesn’t they tell you anything? Imagine the same picture in central Russia .. Imagine? I also.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 8 July 2020 06: 05 New
    +5
    The result is this: Russia cannot live in the so-called. the global market on an equal footing. A country cannot afford free trade. Only autarchy-autocracy.

    Economists of all stripes have agreed that autarchy is possible in a country with a population of at least 300-400 million inhabitants. Russia today is not gaining even half. Hence the conclusion: no matter how hard it is to live with neighbors, we will have to live with them. There are no others, and no changes are expected in the foreseeable future. And we will have to manage in cooperation with other countries in the system of the international division of labor. And with a free market inside the country - a big question. One cannot do without the active participation of the state in the economy. Especially if we want to avoid socio-economic shocks in the process of "self-tuning" of the economy with market mechanisms. No matter how disgusting we may be, in the near future we will still be turned to the West. For today it is technologically more advanced than the East. Therefore, if we want to be among the advanced economies, then one way or another we will have to cooperate and compete with the West. Although one should not completely turn away from the East.
    1. AUL
      AUL 8 July 2020 06: 27 New
      12
      Only autarchy-autocracy.
      For the sake of these three words, all the other letters of the article are written.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 8 July 2020 08: 20 New
        +3
        He also noted that the author "began for health and finished for repose."
    2. depressant
      depressant 8 July 2020 07: 57 New
      +3
      Hagen colleague, if we want to be among the leading economies, in addition to the condition that I outlined above, we first need to break the old bureaucratic apparatus and create a completely new one based on principles that are suitable for the characteristics of our life. Otherwise, nothing will work. Here is an example.
      Three years ago, a woman turned to the president: we have been living in trailers for 40 years, they are not given normal housing. Naturally, the President was indignant and assured: "We will do it!" And what do you think? For three years, the bureaucratic apparatus has been straining, starting from the mayor of the settlement and ending with the profile minister, it seems that even Medvedev strained his forehead muscles, but they cannot solve the problem! It turned out that so that the children could go to school, and the settlers could work and be treated, it was necessary to register everyone, and the trailers were announced as capital structures. And since the settlers looked after them, they were not emergency. And according to the law, only capital emergency can be resettled. They cannot solve this! In the USSR, they easily solved the problem, simply "forgetting" to insert the word "temporarily" into the solution - the era of the big hapk began, and it was necessary to foresee how, on occasion, the residents could be grabbed, or successfully evaded responsibility. And now the bureaucrat even of the highest echelon does not know how to get out of the completely dehumanized charter of his own bureaucratic life created by him in the form of a set of shameful, thoroughly corrupt laws. Until we break this system, until we clean out the ranks, until we reach every person by law, or until we reach a precedent (it's time to introduce case law!) - nothing will work. Since 2005 I have been hearing this: "You never know what Putin said!" It is not Putin who should say what to do; he should clearly and clearly state the law. And he must be such that everyone agrees with him.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 8 July 2020 08: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: depressant
        First of all, we need to break the old bureaucratic apparatus and create a completely new

        I think this is exactly the problem. 1. Break and destroy the old one. Who will destroy it? How large will be the circle of people affected by this? What force will the opposition be? 2. Create a brand new one. It is clear that the new "apparatus" ready from the sky will not fall. How long will it take to create. How long? How will the state exist in the absence of a new apparatus with the old destroyed? Would outside players want to take advantage of this opportunity? And this is only part of the questions .... And no movement in this direction is observed today. The KPRF is losing its electorate more and more, and there is information that in some issues the KPRF is uniting with the non-systemic opposition, which also negatively affects its support. I think that our main problem is the lack of a coherent ideology of the state. And therefore the bureaucratic apparatus cannot understand the priorities of the country's development.
        Quote: depressant
        Three years ago a woman turned to the president: for 40 years we have been living in trailers, they don’t provide normal housing.

        The example is not very correct. But having simplified the situation and it can be solved by creating municipal housing funds and transferring them for commercial hire. As a result, the one who can - will buy his home, who can not buy his own, rents a municipal. (As an option).
        Quote: depressant
        must clearly and clearly speak the law. And he must be such that everyone agrees with him.

        The consent of all with the law is utopia. It is only possible to enforce the law. And here we have a lot of work to do. Unfortunately, in our blood the primacy of communal-clan relations is still in our blood (in common people - blat and telephone law). This, they say, is getting obsolete, but so far it is present quite noticeably.
        1. depressant
          depressant 8 July 2020 09: 39 New
          0
          Well, look.
          On July 5, it was reported that the president’s cousin, Roman Putin, was elected chairman and leader of the People Against Corruption party, which means in the abbreviation NPK. He is a respectable person: FSB, entrepreneurship, in the intervals of positions that you cannot designate otherwise than "decide". Experience - a carriage and a cart. A loud name and the corresponding promotion will allow to get a sufficient percentage of votes in the future Duma elections to not only get into the Duma, but also compete with the United Russia in the number of parliamentary seats, which means in future elections - on the laws and amendments to them. In contrast to the low-power Communist Party and Socialist-Revolutionaries. And then we can expect that Roman Putin will take part in the future presidential elections as the leader of the parliamentary party, competing with the candidate from United Russia.
          That is, a collision of two parties in the struggle for the presidency. The competitive situation will lead to an acceleration of the purification of laws from the corruption component. And whoever was elected president in the future, he will be forced to fulfill at least part of the obligations given in the election promises. This will give an impetus to the development of the country. Understanding this, I have always been for the presence in Russia of not a bunch of small parties and one huge, but two strong ones, fighting among themselves for a higher power. Yes, at the direction of the president, the Duma EP makes any decision he needs, however limited by the set of his powers. But her own decisions in terms of the laws adopted are not just worthless, but they are lobbying uncontrollably, which means they are corrupt. Still pass. Because parliamentarians, members of EP, are the majority. As soon as this imbalance is excluded, something will budge. So, step by step, without shocks and by law. I really hope so.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 8 July 2020 09: 58 New
            0
            Quote: depressant
            I have always been for the presence in Russia of not a bunch of small parties and one huge, but two strong ones, fighting among themselves for a higher power.

            At the same time, I think you understand very well that in our country the probability of this is extremely small. With our traditions, a charismatic personality at once skews any balance between two large political groups. We are observing this today, despite the president’s distance from EP.
            Quote: depressant
            Because parliamentarians, members of EP, are the majority. As soon as this imbalance is excluded, something will budge.

            Why is EP the majority? Did the apple with ATP, for example, fail at all? There are no ideas, no personalities, not a lot of people's faith in them .... How to correct bias? Violent egalitarianism?
            1. depressant
              depressant 8 July 2020 13: 16 New
              +1
              Hagen colleague, I respect you, but have to leave the discussion. Because, leaving aside criticism of the authorities, and I have a lot of things to say in this direction, I accept this authority simply as a condition for solving the problem of economic breakthrough - a condition set not by me, but by the Author of the article. And she proposed a solution in the circumstances. Nobody, including you, offers anything. Everyone focused on the details of the article, missing the point of the whole. My decision did not suit anyone. I will not argue.
        2. aglet
          aglet 8 July 2020 12: 12 New
          0
          "1. Break down and destroy the old one. Who will destroy it? How large will the circle of persons affected by this be? What force will the opposition be? 2. Create a completely new one. It is clear that a new" apparatus "ready from the sky will not fall. How long does it take will create. How long? How will the state exist in the absence of a new apparatus with the old destroyed? Would external players want to take advantage of this opportunity? "
          I wonder if in 1991 they thought about it, or was everything already ready, have external players already prepared everything for this time?
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 8 July 2020 10: 10 New
        -2
        Quote: depressant
        First of all, we need to break the old bureaucratic apparatus and create a completely new,

        Even Lenin wrote about this in the article "HOW WE ORGANIZE RABKRIN" He wrote, according to his behests, they broke and created ... It’s still there, and you repeat his words ...
        1. depressant
          depressant 8 July 2020 10: 36 New
          +1
          Yes, I just outlined just one of the theoretical possibilities for breaking the deadlock. But a powerful wave of global digitalization can sweep away everything that we think of here. Yesterday I tried on one of the topics to show that we had already caught it and were rushing in a direction not chosen by us. But either the post was too long, or someone did not want him to go through. Like this. I talked about FARMA.
      3. aglet
        aglet 8 July 2020 12: 02 New
        -1
        "And he must be such that everyone agrees with him."
        Well, yes, like a constitution. Today Putin made 400 amendments, tomorrow another 600, and the day after tomorrow we wake up, hey, and we already have a slave system. and you are already waiting for the overseer with a scourge from the skin of a hippo
      4. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 July 2020 16: 19 New
        +2
        What rows are you going to clean - replacing some loafers with other loafers will not solve the problem.
  • Mustachioed Georgian
    Mustachioed Georgian 8 July 2020 06: 07 New
    +3
    I want to live better .... But I do not want to live again in an era of change ... what to do?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 8 July 2020 06: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Mustachioed Georgian
      I want to live better .... But I do not want to live again in an era of change ... what to do?

      And as always, the Russians will resist, push their strength, and make it so that they will still envy Russia. The author has put everything on the shelves, but does not take into account the inner strength of the people, their solidarity in times of trouble (and not because "the party ordered"). Russians have a different soul. That is why in the West they both get angry and try to lower them down to their level.
  • Lebed
    Lebed 8 July 2020 06: 24 New
    14
    We need protectionism and a way out of the WTO.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 July 2020 16: 21 New
      +1
      The whole world is already in the WTO - if Russia leaves it with all our goods, all countries will introduce higher customs duties.
  • Mustachioed Georgian
    Mustachioed Georgian 8 July 2020 06: 32 New
    +5
    Based on the fact that it’s cold and there is a lot of fuel, it should be affordable for the citizens of Russia, and this is a problem
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 July 2020 06: 35 New
    +3
    Finally, our Samsonov is back! fellow
    1. Liam
      Liam 8 July 2020 07: 00 New
      +8
      And delighted the Gulf Stream, washing the West Coast of the United States and Canada ... Great geographical discoveries, they are
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 8 July 2020 07: 02 New
        +1
        Hi! hi
        Someone loves the smell of napalm in the morning, and I read Samsonov - the mood remains for the whole day! good
        1. Liam
          Liam 8 July 2020 07: 09 New
          +5
          Hi hi Well, not only Samsonov. Somehow, in a discussion with one comrade from Chelyabinsk, I was surprised to learn that in Italy light crops are harvested 2 crops a year. Therefore, they say, we live better. Authors VO and geography are two disjoint straight lines)
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 8 July 2020 07: 15 New
            +1
            Not only geography laughing
            Well, people have never heard of Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Fiat (which, including Zhiguli), Beretta, Armani, Dolce, Pochoti, Gucci, Prada - this is what is heard))
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 8 July 2020 07: 42 New
              +2
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Well, people have never heard of Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Fiat (which, including Zhiguli), Beretta, Armani, Dolce, Pochoti, Gucci, Prada - this is what is heard))

              Heating in Italian enterprises by law is 18 degrees. I personally worked more than once in Russian at a temperature of 15-20 degrees with a minus sign.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 8 July 2020 07: 45 New
                0
                And according to Russian law, is the temperature in the working room regulated?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 8 July 2020 08: 02 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  And according to Russian law, is the temperature in the working room regulated?

                  Nobody cares.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 8 July 2020 08: 20 New
                    +3
                    Does everyone care about legislation or is it not regulated?
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 8 July 2020 08: 33 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Does everyone care about legislation or is it not regulated?

                      You, in my opinion, are well aware of the norms of SanPiN. Only none of the workers will not run anywhere to complain, because, as the first thing, they will lose their jobs.
                      Violation of the temperature regime qualify for hours. 1 Article. 5.27.1 Administrative Code. Perhaps a warning or a fine of:

                      2000-5000 rub. - for individual entrepreneurs;
                      50 000-80 000 - for legal entities;
                      2000 - 5000 rub. - for officials.
                      Forced termination of activity for up to 3 months is also possible.

                      https://buhguru.com/ohrana-truda/normy-temperat-raboch-meste.html
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 8 July 2020 08: 43 New
                        +1
                        I do not know - in the Krasnodar Territory -15-20 is nonsense))
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 8 July 2020 08: 54 New
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I do not know - in the Krasnodar Territory -15-20 is nonsense))

                        And the heating costs a lot. Our bourgeois did not conduct it at all, except that he put the stove of the same name in one workshop.
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 8 July 2020 09: 00 New
                        +5
                        Oh ... so get away from the bourgeois, there’s no work - you’ll move to another city, there’s no way, talk to the bourgeois like a man, and even better earn yourself - less than he pays you, you won’t earn
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 8 July 2020 09: 06 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Oh ... so get away from the bourgeois,

                        He already, and despite saving on heating, could not.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        talk to the bourgeois manly,

                        We have such through one. Even state-owned enterprises cannot comply with heating standards.
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 8 July 2020 09: 29 New
                        -3
                        Work for yourself. There is no stability, but you will create conditions for yourself, but it’s difficult to earn less
                      6. kalibr
                        kalibr 8 July 2020 10: 15 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Work for yourself. There is no stability, but you will create conditions for yourself, but it’s difficult to earn less

                        Why are you insulting people like that? Well it’s not good to give such advice! He had a different brain for everyone, but someone drank a lot, someone dropped his mother or grandmother in the village ...
                      7. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 8 July 2020 10: 26 New
                        +3
                        Quote: kalibr
                        something mother or grandmother in the village dropped his head off ...

                        Are you talking to yourself, poor fellow?
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        you will create conditions for yourself

                        Buy-sell, as you have, I don’t think for work.
                      8. kalibr
                        kalibr 8 July 2020 10: 28 New
                        -5
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Buy-sell, as you have, I don’t think for work.

                        That is why it is your destiny and to donate to your uncle and not to work for yourself!
                      9. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 8 July 2020 16: 11 New
                        0
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx

                        Buy-sell, as you have, I don’t think for work.

                        Well then, make it - and do not forget to heat the premises according to Sanpin to your employees))
                    2. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 10: 26 New
                      0
                      Greetings, Vyacheslav Olegovich hi
                      I myself drank because of head injuries received in my youth, but I understand that you cannot steal your beloved and torture yourself with poor working conditions ... laughing
                    3. kalibr
                      kalibr 8 July 2020 10: 27 New
                      -3
                      So you got the wrong injuries ...
                    4. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 10: 31 New
                      0
                      I will say this - I have always been very envious. He worked for his uncle a little, but was so envious of him that he quit his studies and opened the same business laughing
                    5. kalibr
                      kalibr 8 July 2020 10: 40 New
                      -4
                      Wow! Envy and intelligence! And there is envy and stupidity. The first case: a neighbor has a house - and I will build it even better! Second: a neighbor’s house - well, if I beat him the windows, and I’ll set fire to the house. And what kind of behavior is more typical for Russia? First or second? Second!!! And this is very sad.
                    6. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 16: 00 New
                      -3
                      It’s more typical for Russia to squeeze
  • aglet
    aglet 8 July 2020 12: 04 New
    +1
    "Nobody cares about legislation or not regulated?"
    if you believe the sanpin, then only in offices
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 15: 59 New
      0
      At the factory -?
  • Errr
    Errr 8 July 2020 08: 40 New
    -1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    And according to Russian law, is the temperature in the working room regulated?
    What about ya? 23 - 25 ° C during the warm period and 22 - 24 ° C in the cold period. SanPiN 2.2.4.3359-16, however. smile
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 08: 45 New
      0
      Thanks I'll know )))
  • Liam
    Liam 8 July 2020 13: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Heating in Italian enterprises by law - 18 degrees


    By the way, all these theorists of Russia's terrible expenses on heating plants say that much more energy is spent on conditioning hot air in spring / summer / autumn than heating, and in theory Russia has an advantage over hotter countries). But this breaks whole stamped theory
  • Liam
    Liam 8 July 2020 12: 04 New
    +1
    Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Iveco, New Holland, Pirelli, Yeni, Mapey, Ferrero, Alenia, Leonardo, Fincantieri, Unicredit, San Paolo, Ariston, Indesit .. and much more.
    Only fashion, sports and tourism bring more income than Gazprom and Rosneft combined)
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 22: 46 New
      0
      And this despite the fact that in Russia tourist places - eat the nostrils!
  • aglet
    aglet 8 July 2020 12: 23 New
    +1
    "I was surprised to learn that in Italy 2 crops per year are harvested in the lung" I was surprised to learn that in Italy in the lungs 2 crops are harvested per year
    without two harvests - "High-intensity agriculture in Italy occupies a leading position in Europe in a number of indicators: growing grapes and wine production (1st place in the world), cultivation of citrus fruits, tomatoes and rice (1st place in Europe), cultivation of edible olives and production of olive butter (2nd place), milk (3rd place). Wheat, corn, sugar beets are intensively grown. The successes of Italy in agriculture are closely related to its strong position in the food industry, the reputation of a manufacturer and exporter of high-quality food (pasta, cheese, meat products, wine, chocolate, juices, mineral water, sauces). There is a significant connection with the national light industry, due to the supply of leather and wool. At the same time, most of the territory is unsuitable for agriculture. "
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 8 July 2020 06: 36 New
    -2
    I respect this author. But to write about the tragedy of 1917, and to list the merits of the USSR is too much. Capitalism cannot belong to nationality. Any social system will collapse if it does not adhere to certain rules. This is what happened with the USSR. And the rules of capitalism are clearly indicated in Marx's Capital. Geography, as it was, and will remain. History, as it was, and will remain. In the Middle Ages, there were also advantages and what is put forward today by the liberals. After the Civil War, the country But it became profitable for someone to expose this nerve and sprinkle it with salt. The whole ideology should be built on the peaceful labor of citizens. And then the light of his country will dawn in front of a person. He will be the builder of his country.
    1. Polymer
      Polymer 8 July 2020 07: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: nikvic46
      But to write about the tragedy of 1917, and to list the merits of the USSR is already too much.

      As I understand it, he considers the initiators of this tragedy to be liberals, not Bolsheviks. Those. the February revolution is a time of troubles, and the October revolution is the beginning of the elimination of troubles.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 July 2020 06: 54 New
    0
    So, on what parallels are Russian cities?
    Arkhangelsk, Reykjavik, Anadyr
    Reykjavik is warm. The average annual temperature is -4.7 Celsius. In August, plus 14. On average
    SPb - Helsinki and Oslo
    The temperature in Oslo 6,3 in Helsinki 5.1
    The average annual, in St. Petersburg 5.8
    Oops)).
    Krasnodar - 45th parallel. On it are Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver laughing
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 8 July 2020 07: 23 New
      +1
      In Helsinki it cannot be colder than St. Petersburg, as Helsinki is to the west. The fact that St. Petersburg is supposedly warmer is due to the warming "effect of the city", since St. Petersburg is 10 times larger than Helsinki, the influence of the city on the weather stations is much greater. And by the way, I believe that the alleged "warming" of the climate, which we are allegedly observing now, is caused by this effect, since the meteorological stations that were outside the city limits in the 19th century, now, due to the growth of cities, found themselves within the city limits or on the outskirts of cities, due to which at the meteorological stations began to record higher temperatures.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 8 July 2020 07: 33 New
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        I brought information on average temperature from Google - I decided to check the singer of the superethnos))
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 8 July 2020 07: 00 New
    +3
    The problem is that Russia is a unique autocratic civilization, not the West and not the East. There is an excellent work on this subject by Slavophil Nikolai Danilevsky: “Russia and Europe”. The path of integration of Russia with the West, its loss of its national identity, “Russianness” ultimately leads to the collapse of Russian statehood, society, their death. The classic example of such a catastrophe is 1917-1920. After the 1991 disaster, events went according to a milder scenario, but the losses of Russia and the Russian people were also huge.

    Hence the main organizational conclusion: the immediate revival of the monarchy !!! Putin-sovereign emperors !!!
    However, I, Gershny, have some misunderstandings: the author points out that the path of integration with the West brings horror and ruin for Russia "The classic example of such a catastrophe is 1917-1920."
    Wonderful. It's hard to argue. However, the question: Is Peter the Great’s European reforms the same example of a national disaster ???
    Another question: And how, in fact, did the Soviet secretary general differ from the monarch? led for life, any courage was subject to execution? ..
    It's funny, but the attempts in 1991 to make the presidency replaceable ended ... with another termination of the presidency ...
    I believe that in Russia all democratic reforms carried out even in 1917-1920, even in 1991, degenerated into something completely different ...
    Thus, the Soviet Union, instead of a democratic state, has already since 1917, since the Revolution, turned into an ultra-clerical state: K. Marx's work "Capital" is the same Bible, the Idea of ​​Communism is religion, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union is clergy.
    Hence, all politics, decision-making, development and the decline of the USSR is nothing but the history of the development and decline of a clerical state.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 07: 07 New
      +2
      That's right:
      The Bible is Capital;
      Faith is communism;
      The Trinity - Lenin-Marx-Engels.
      Tsar - Secretary General.
      And your grandchildren will be rewarded for your suffering in the present — they will live under communism.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 8 July 2020 07: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      And the European reforms of Peter the Great is the same example of a national disaster ???

      And why not?
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      And how, in fact, was the Soviet secretary general different from the monarch? led for life, any courage was subject to execution? ..

      Tell Khrushchev.
      1. Ua3qhp
        Ua3qhp 8 July 2020 08: 03 New
        +2
        Well, palace coups were also.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 8 July 2020 08: 12 New
          -2
          Quote: Ua3qhp
          Well, palace coups were also.

          These coups are illegal. And Khrushchev was completely removed within the framework.
          1. Ua3qhp
            Ua3qhp 8 July 2020 09: 15 New
            +2
            Paul I, too. wink Apoplexy hit with a snuffbox and voila ...
      2. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
        Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 8 July 2020 08: 49 New
        0
        Khrushchev’s dismissal is more likely an exception hi The story of corn cultivation in itself speaks volumes ... and not only it ...

        As for the reforms of Peter, it was Peter the Great who created the state (rebuilt Holy Russia according to European patterns) that existed until 1917. And Europe was largely forced to reckon with this state. I think I'm not too much mistaken if I say that under Catherine the Great, the Russian Empire was an absolute political leader. Among the political leaders, Russia was under Alexander the Blessed and other emperors ...
        And at the same time, you are ready to call Peter's reforms a "national catastrophe" ???
        1. aglet
          aglet 8 July 2020 12: 31 New
          -1
          "The history of corn cultivation speaks volumes in itself."
          that's for sure, hardly the Khrushchev, who personally observed the cultivation of corn in Texas, forced it to sow in the Arctic Circle. it then promoted lizozhp and policies. there are enough of them now, some suggest sowing koksagyz in the Stavropol Territory, such as import substitution
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  • Poetry
    Poetry 8 July 2020 07: 12 New
    0
    Our soul is more precious than silver and gold,
    Therefore, we are still people, not animals.
    Russia cannot be understood by the mind of an adversary.
    You need to love Russia. And believe in Russia.
  • ont65
    ont65 8 July 2020 07: 37 New
    +2
    Can't live? Yes, on an equal footing? Yes, once a thousand years, thank God - the creator of miracles! Again 'sentry, everything is gone'? Without an autocrat, is it sad and uncomfortable among enemies in a white snow-covered desert? Flat. The recipes for making the nation happy are so-so. You have to work in the sweat of your brow, fight for your own and not whine that they say it's cold. The tsar will not feed and will not warm, but only with kicks in the ass he will make him work, and he will also lower seven skins so that he does not rebel. They also found the same recipe. In an era of climate catastrophe, we will be the last to leave if anything. And the latter laughs well, as you know, and it will be somewhere in Magadan.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 8 July 2020 07: 39 New
    +6
    Only autarchy-autocracy. Nationalization of land, forests, bowels, strategic enterprises.
    . What is it like? An autocrat nationalizing in his favor? smile
  • Million
    Million 8 July 2020 07: 45 New
    +6
    The essence of Russianness is the primacy of spirit over flesh-matter, truth over law, justice and truth over money-grubbing, common over the personal.

    But is it left in us?
  • Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 8 July 2020 08: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: Krasnodar
    And according to Russian law, is the temperature in the working room regulated?

    Yes.
    Sanitary rules and norms SanPiN 2.2.4.548-96
    "Hygienic requirements for the microclimate of industrial premises"
    (approved by the resolution of the State Committee for Sanitary and Epidemiological Supervision of the Russian Federation of October 1, 1996 N 21)
    https://makrosistem.ru/files/sp_2_2_4_54896.pdf
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 09: 39 New
      0
      Many thanks! So, you must insist on respect for your rights
      1. Ua3qhp
        Ua3qhp 8 July 2020 09: 45 New
        +1
        Of course, it is necessary, unfortunately, it does not yet reach all employers that non-compliance with microclimate requirements reduces labor productivity.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 July 2020 09: 47 New
          0
          Yes, you must comply with the standards, if only for performance reasons, but you cannot be too good either - they are perceived as weakness.
  • RitaNik
    RitaNik 8 July 2020 08: 21 New
    +1
    In my opinion, the article omits the aspect of legal culture in comparison with other countries.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 8 July 2020 08: 46 New
    +4
    For example, the agricultural sector of Bulgaria or Ukraine was needed only within the framework of the socialist camp. As soon as the social bloc was destroyed, the degradation of the national economy began


    A beautiful morning - now Mr. Samsonov washed my eyes that in Bulgaria, agriculture collapsed and disappeared without socialism.

    First place in the world and 14,5% of the world market for sowing, high-quality wheat (2019)
    Lavender is the first place in the world in production. And people think that France is a country of lavender .... :)
    Saffron - Bulgarian is already more expensive than Iranian, and this is about 20 per kg.
    Meat production, processing, export etc. etc. - everything took off.
    Wine and high-tech cultures, or something else ...



    In the EU, agricultural subsidies are the highest in the world. France, Spain, Holland, Bulgaria, Greece and so on receive huge simply money. We have agricultural machinery all new and most advanced.

    In general, the author’s knowledge in the field of economics leaves much to be desired, from about the 9th grade level, an economic gymnasium.

    And so as not to be unfounded, I can send an official report of the Bulgarian Ministry of Agriculture for 2019. Everything is public and public. Link on request.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 July 2020 09: 44 New
      +4
      Greetings! hi
      So I can also write such an article - Slovenia and the Czech Republic outside socialism are in the fringes of Western Europe, overtaking France, Italy and Malta in the HDI only due to the betrayal of the ideas of communism fellow
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 8 July 2020 10: 08 New
        0
        So I can write such an article too ...


        Exactly laughing
        Well, it was necessary for the author to run into economic arguments and come down to our level when he has such a good dictionary - a civilizational code, a superethnos, the Slavs 40 years ago and other things like that ... bully
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 July 2020 10: 36 New
          +1
          You, unlike the author, do not have access to the archives of Hyperborea, therefore you are not familiar with the theories of the classics of macroeconomics of Atlantis negative
    2. aglet
      aglet 8 July 2020 12: 38 New
      0
      "Everything is public and public. Link on request."
      One question is, do you still grow bell pepper, or does the Netherlands supply it to you?
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 8 July 2020 12: 43 New
        -1
        One question is, do you still grow bell pepper, or does the Netherlands supply it to you?


        In 2019, the sown area with various varieties of pepper reaches 70 decares. This is the first place in the world in production per capita, but in terms of production per unit area, we retreat from Italy, Hungary and Spain.
        1. aglet
          aglet 8 July 2020 12: 45 New
          +1
          Thanks for the answer
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 8 July 2020 09: 12 New
    +5
    Some nonsense. The laws of economics are the same everywhere. The degree of theft is different. In Europe, probably, Russia is the leader in this matter. This suits the authorities, since they are also sawing, the public is duped, and some of its representatives write about a special way. Where those in power will plunder further, and people will hang noodles about patriotism.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 8 July 2020 09: 29 New
    +8
    The author did not say a word about the main and most important obstacles preventing the Russians from starting to live well immediately: Jews, liberals, LGBT people. So what were you fighting for ???
    In the hands of world Zionism control the weather, read, cold weather. Because of the damned liberals and LGBT people, a third of the vast country to this day does not have normal water supply / sewage and is forced to drag water (one that has not yet been drunk) into the house from the column, poop into a hole in the floor, heat it with wood, which is true, collect dead wood it has already become possible.

    Now, seriously.
    The article is a clear, concise, well-reasoned explanation of why Russians should and simply must live worse than others. To me, such a statement of the question is fundamentally mistaken. They should not, are not obliged and deserve much better.
    It is necessary to create your own, Russian style, autocratic world. Take the best that was in Ancient Russia, the Russian Empire, the Romanov Empire and Soviet civilization. We can live better than Westerners only when we build our cultural, scientific, technological and economic structure. We will break into the world of the future, where advanced technologies will allow us to fully master our vast and cold spaces.
    Precedents, of course, are known - 40 years of wandering in the desert is a thing, of course, important for society. So, 30 has already passed, if anyone has not noticed. It seems that they have already harnessed, it’s time to move
    One should not bring out the fully theoretical work of a century and a half ago and try to squeeze modern Russia into the Procrustean bed of her far-fetched ideas. (option - owl and globe).
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 July 2020 12: 12 New
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov


      Now, seriously.
      The article is a clear, concise, well-reasoned explanation of why Russians should and simply must live worse than others. To me, such a statement of the question is fundamentally mistaken. They should not, are not obliged and deserve much better.


      Do you think that this is pure propaganda? Something tells us that the author tried to formulate or propose, so it will be more correct, the idea of ​​how to live better than the West, but much is debatable, somewhere utopian and lacks an understanding of how the economy works.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 8 July 2020 12: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        Do you think that this is pure propaganda? Something tells us that the author tried to formulate or propose, so it will be more correct, the idea of ​​how to live better than the West, but much is debatable, somewhere utopian and lacks an understanding of how the economy works.

        What does propaganda have to do with it? This is the opinion of the author. There is a place to be. He should be listened to, thoughtful, expressed his opinion. If interested, it is possible to seek the opinions of specialists on such issues.
        Another thing is that neither my, nor your opinion on this issue interests anyone.

        The hard way that Russia is moving today and will continue to move in the foreseeable future is determined by the government. No revolutions, praise to the Almighty, are outlined. Some evolutions are inevitable, they are slow, but in any case, better than revolutions.
        How the economy works is known for certain. Capitalist models have existed since the time of Karl Genrikhovich. They work great to this day. "Excellent", not in the sense that they are good, but in the sense that all theoretical calculations are completely correct. This happened due to the fact that first capitalism came, and then, a theory was brought under it. The classics saw everything with their own eyes and understood everything correctly. As for socialism, then they had to improvise. During their lifetime, socialism never came, and the successors and followers did not cope with their work, because the creation of developed socialism in one particular country is not possible by definition:
        19-th question: Can ... a revolution happen in any one country?
        Answer: Not. Big industry, by the fact that it created the world market, connected all the nations of the globe, especially civilized nations, so that each of them depends on what is happening to the other. Then large-scale industry so balanced social development in all civilized countries that everywhere the bourgeoisie and the proletariat became the two decisive classes of society and the struggle between them — the main struggle of our time. Therefore, the communist revolution will not only be national, but will occur simultaneously in all civilized countries, that is, at least in England, America, France and Germany. In each of these countries it will develop faster or slower, depending on which of these countries has more developed industry, more wealth has accumulated, and there is a larger number of productive forces. Therefore, it will be carried out more slowly and hardest in Germany, faster and easier in England. It will also have a significant impact on the rest of the world and will completely change and extremely accelerate their previous course of development. It is a world revolution and will therefore have a world stage.
        (Engels F. "Principles of Communism", 1847)

        The most important specialist in the Theory of Permanent Revolution in the era of imperialism in 1940, Ramon Mercader, on behalf and on behalf of, as you know, banged. Together with Lev Davidovich, the idea had to be buried.
        No, there have been attempts, of course. However, they did not lead to anything good.
        As a result, socialism is more likely dead than alive, communism was never born, and you and I have rotting (by definition) capitalism, with the existence of which we will continue to put up with it, for the lack of an alternative. hi
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 9 July 2020 01: 10 New
          -2
          Quote: A. Privalov
          No revolutions, praise to the Almighty, are outlined.

          Again these mantras are from the adherents of capitalism. The trouble is that they do not work.
          Quote: A. Privalov
          As a result, socialism is more likely dead than alive, communism was never born, and you and I have rotting (by definition) capitalism, with the existence of which we will continue to put up with it, for the lack of an alternative.

          There is an alternative. And she’s not dead, no matter how you bury her. Bury for 30 years and still nothing. There are no other funeral workers, but those are far away. laughing I hope you still live to see socialism. You will be such an approximately indicative relic of the era of perishing capitalism. laughing
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 9 July 2020 09: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Quote: A. Privalov
            No revolutions, praise to the Almighty, are outlined.

            Again these mantras are from the adherents of capitalism. The trouble is that they do not work.
            Quote: A. Privalov
            As a result, socialism is more likely dead than alive, communism was never born, and you and I have rotting (by definition) capitalism, with the existence of which we will continue to put up with it, for the lack of an alternative.

            There is an alternative. And she’s not dead, no matter how you bury her. Bury for 30 years and still nothing. There are no other funeral workers, but those are far away. laughing I hope you still live to see socialism. You will be such an approximately indicative relic of the era of perishing capitalism. laughing


            You see, dear Makar, all your formidable words, without any confirmation and proof, look completely meaningless slogans and empty chatter, excuse me. hi

            Please explain where and in what you see signs of an impending revolution in the Russian Federation? Did I miss something?
            As for the bright socialist future, I, apparently, will not live up to it, I am old, but with all this, I will not refuse to listen to your opinions about the existing alternative.

            Although, as a rule, for critics like you, a couple is enough only for beeps. They cannot explain anything clearly and convincingly and are satisfied with virtual spitting in the direction of their opponents, and with ritual rituals to the accompaniment of mossy propaganda tambourines. hi
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 13: 05 New
              0
              Quote: A. Privalov
              You see, dear Makar, all your formidable words, without any confirmation and proof, look completely meaningless slogans and empty chatter, excuse me.

              Of course, I understand that over all of Israel a cloudless sky. But I think you can clearly see that the global economy is slowly slipping into a crisis of an unprecedented scale. And such crises are always an exacerbation of class contradictions. I'm not saying that the revolution will be tomorrow, adherents of capitalism like you like to engage in such demagogy. Assign your opponent stupid thoughts, and then defeat him.
              Quote: A. Privalov
              listen to your opinions on the existing alternative.

              Do you really want this? Yes, I believe that a return to socialism is necessary. Just not to the version that was in the USSR. In the end, the system went completely wrong where it should have been. Now it seems to me there is a chance to avoid this. Although, of course, you can never say for sure, but I have some reasons to think so. I consider the movement in this direction and only it will make it possible to avoid the next wars and chaos to which we are moving under the inexorable influence of the laws of the capitalist system. It will enable humanity to move to a new stage of its development. I absolutely do not want to agitate you for anything. It is pointless and useless. In fact, I’m writing all this not even to you, but to the young people who will read it all. So that they read what I write they understand and throw your demagogy into the landfill.
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 11 July 2020 14: 09 New
                +1
                Where did you get such a hardened rhetoric: "adepts of capitalism", "throw demagoguery into the dustbin", "exacerbation of class contradictions" ...? Do you have the filing of the newspaper "Pravda" of the 70s as a reference book?
                I will quote again my thesis:
                ... Socialism is more likely dead than alive, communism was never born, and you and I have rotting (by definition) capitalism, with the existence of which we will continue to put up with it, for the lack of an alternative.

                Having cleaned out verbal husks from your accusatory speech, in the net we get your full agreement with my thesis:
                Yes, you say, today we live under capitalism with all its shortcomings, crises, etc.
                Yes, you say, there is no socialism today.
                Against that part of my thesis that communism was never built, you also did not object.

                To all this outrage, in your opinion, socialism should be contrasted again. To him (some other option than that known to us from the USSR) should be returned. It is this path that you consider an alternative to today's chaos.
                Do I understand you correctly?
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 18: 32 New
                  0
                  Quote: A. Privalov
                  your full agreement with my thesis

                  No, not consent. The fact that communism was not built agrees, that the socialist systems crashed around the world agrees. I do not agree with the rotten resume about the lack of alternatives and other blessed funeral rhetoric.
                  Quote: A. Privalov
                  To all this outrage, in your opinion, socialism should be contrasted again. To him (some other option than that known to us from the USSR) should be returned. It is this path that you consider an alternative to today's chaos.

                  Now is not chaos and more or less decent present. This is what we are moving to. This is scary. Nobody wanted war, war was inevitable.
                  1. A. Privalov
                    A. Privalov 12 July 2020 11: 33 New
                    0
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    I do not agree with the rotten resume about the lack of alternatives and other blessed funeral rhetoric.

                    Then where is the alternative? In your fantasies?
  • Ivan740
    Ivan740 8 July 2020 09: 33 New
    +3
    Russia is a global refrigerator and it is necessary to build buildings with good insulation. This is true. But where heat has to be spent on air conditioning and the same additional thermal insulation of buildings. So the difference is not so great. In addition, in hot Nigeria, where there are also a lot of different minerals, still not the United States. So maybe it’s still worth building the same model of the economy that has shown its effectiveness in Western countries?
  • Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 8 July 2020 09: 49 New
    +1
    Yes, we are an original and different civilization. The economy can be made competitively capable, but we probably don’t want it, maybe we want, but it doesn’t work. And the roads we can do as expected and the climate is not a hindrance for this. In the Tver region there is a section of a road of 9 km, which has not been repaired already 15, because it was done honestly and as it should, and next to it roads are constantly being repaired. And of the city dwellers, consumers have already been made, it seems to me. Yes, and a lot of theft. Well, a bunch of all sorts of nuances and not nuances that hinder us from developing.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 8 July 2020 09: 55 New
    +3
    Russia is a unique autocratic civilization
    What, already? !!! When was the autocracy officially declared in Russia? And then I missed.
    Another morning delirium from Samsonov.
  • bar
    bar 8 July 2020 10: 05 New
    +2
    attempts to integrate Russia into the western (global) capitalist system, make it competitive within the global market

    cannot be crowned with success, since the "Western capitalist system" does not need competitors. And she only needs sales markets. A fresh example of an unsuccessful attempt to "build in" is the recent breakup of Ukraine, to which the "Western capitalist system" has shown its place.
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 8 July 2020 10: 10 New
    +4
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    Meat production, processing, export etc. etc. - everything took off.

    1. No need to fool people. Where did the meat take off - in heaven? Can beat we have an increase in the number of snails?
    Where are the Bulgarian tomatoes, peppers, fruits, tobacco? Do not make people saffron.
    2. About European influence in Russia - I thought that Peter the Great beat the first and then everything did not end badly. At the beginning of the 19th century, Russia became a world superpower for the first time.
    3. In 1917, the catastrophe before the revolution already struck, and the revolution not only saved the country, but also turned it into one of the two superpowers in the world. Here 1989-1991 change was already a real disaster.
    So European influence beats different things. The most savage and reactionary ideas can be taken from Europe, but the most progressive can be taken.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 8 July 2020 11: 08 New
    +1
    And, all this "Why is Russia not America?" and "Autocratic civilization" has been exaggerated for 30 years already. After the betrayal of the elite, and simply transfers the arrows from "Chubais" to geography.

    But in real life, history shows that civilization and production shifted from south to north. Egypt, Rome, Arabs, Spain, France, England, Germany, Norway, Inland, Alaska, the USSR with their Ural plants and Norilsk.

    Even CX - northern Argentina beats the southern banana republics.

    Something in the Republic of Ingushetia, and in the USSR, and in the Russian Federation in the south there were no special industries .... everything is in the middle lane ... and the autocracy just finally brought the country to a halt ...

    And the examples of Norway, Finland, the USSR, Canada show - there is normal common sense - then there will be a healthy economy ... There are Chubais and "voting" - no economy will survive.

    We have in the area just now another raider seizure of housing and communal services by "confidants" of the Criminal Code. Also the geography is not the same?
    1. aglet
      aglet 8 July 2020 12: 53 New
      -1
      "Even CX - Northern Argentina"
      northern Argentina is very close to the equator, and there is more area under the CX than in the banana republics
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 8 July 2020 11: 20 New
    +2
    The author, are you ready to refuse, for example, from imported computers, or ordinary bananas?
    1. aglet
      aglet 8 July 2020 12: 54 New
      +1
      "Author, are you ready to give up, for example, imported computers, or ordinary bananas?"
      from bananas, it’s easy, but there are no other computers, already
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 July 2020 16: 33 New
      +1
      But why refuse - when it is possible to transport the entire production unit to Russia with the same line from SONY - VAIO in Japan turned out the production of notebook computers and monoblocks were excellent.
  • cniza
    cniza 8 July 2020 11: 31 New
    +1
    The essence of Russianness is the primacy of spirit over flesh-matter, truth over law, justice and truth over money-grubbing, common over personal. Therefore, Russia and Russians can never become part of the West.


    It’s better not to say, so I don’t understand and will never understand us.
  • CBR600
    CBR600 8 July 2020 11: 35 New
    +2
    I did not read the comments (once again), sinful. And again I do not see the words - sovereignty and traditions.
    _ It is clear to everyone that world institutions (well, how without them) have taken away our sovereignty.
    _ Since 1917, culture and traditions have been replaced by the genocide of the MUZHIK (former husband, maybe ..)
    _ In the country since 1917, the crisis to this day. At the same time you have to fight.
    Here are the facts.
    _Working economy destroyed, the same fact. The courts are against the essence of the matter, the truth. Fact.
    What is modern Russia where you have to subsidize the birth of a child ?? Treating a child.
    I completely agree with the author. You can’t look to the west, you need to improve the social environment for the people, so that they themselves can breed without any help there and don’t look for treatment. Then the development of the territory will continue.
    _ In the meantime, sovereignty, genocide and reindustrialization with hunger. Constitution, laws ... Yeah.
    _
    Ed .. I'm not a whiner, designed, developed, and even large-tonnage projects. Abs. optimist and healthy adventurer technocrat. The spirit of research and development was not cut off to me. Until. But his hands have already broken. But I do not want and cannot create a family in this situation (it would be shorter for obscenities).
  • cniza
    cniza 8 July 2020 11: 38 New
    0
    Thus, in a market economy, Russians can never achieve a level of well-being equal to the inhabitants of Western Europe and the United States.


    But I’m ready to argue with this ... only by arranging transit between Southeast Asia and Europe, we can have a level of prosperity higher than Europe and the United States.
    1. CBR600
      CBR600 8 July 2020 12: 04 New
      0
      Transit. Sam said, he answered.
      1. cniza
        cniza 8 July 2020 12: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: CBR600
        Transit. Sam said, he answered.


        What are you talking about?
        1. aglet
          aglet 8 July 2020 12: 57 New
          -2
          "What did you mean?"
          lack of economy
          1. cniza
            cniza 8 July 2020 13: 18 New
            +1
            But transport and its infrastructure, and creating it is not an economy?
            1. aglet
              aglet 8 July 2020 13: 21 New
              -1
              "And transport and its infrastructure, and is it not an economy to create it?"
              everything has already been created before us. KZD, for example
              1. cniza
                cniza 8 July 2020 13: 49 New
                +1
                There is not enough bandwidth, requests are much higher, and what is created needs to be modernized ...
                1. aglet
                  aglet 8 July 2020 14: 35 New
                  -2
                  "There is not enough bandwidth, the requests are much higher, and what has been created needs to be upgraded ..."
                  Well, there is no other. And who will do it? Chinese?
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 8 July 2020 14: 46 New
                    +1
                    No, we will contract you smile
                    1. aglet
                      aglet 9 July 2020 20: 27 New
                      -1
                      "No, we will contract you"
                      it’s unlikely that it’s possible, the old one is already, and education doesn’t allow me, I’m a mechanic, not a builder. Well, if you don’t like the Chinese, hire Tajiks - famous masters in the construction of railways
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 9 July 2020 22: 17 New
                        +1
                        Occupy yourself with useful work and do not fool people, rest and enjoy life ...
                      2. aglet
                        aglet 11 July 2020 14: 50 New
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                        "Engage yourself in useful work and do not fool people, relax and enjoy life ..."
                        likewise, I didn’t ask your opinion as a be. Develop the railway, and in general all transport, logistics, as it is now called. just remember, apart from puffing your cheeks, you won’t succeed right now.
  • cniza
    cniza 8 July 2020 11: 41 New
    +1
    We can live better than Westerners only when we build our cultural, scientific, technological and economic structure.


    So all the same we can!
    1. aglet
      aglet 8 July 2020 12: 58 New
      -1
      "So we can all the same!"
      РјРѕРіР »Ryo
      1. cniza
        cniza 8 July 2020 13: 18 New
        -1
        Everything, in a white sheet and in the cemetery?
  • CBR600
    CBR600 8 July 2020 11: 43 New
    +1
    Kinchev- "The power of the coast beguiled."
  • cniza
    cniza 8 July 2020 11: 48 New
    +1
    Russia cannot live in the so-called. the global market on an equal footing.


    We can even dictate, and not only on equal terms ...

    A country cannot afford free trade.


    Trade is either there or not, the concept of free is not about trade ...

    Low energy prices within the country, barriers to the import of finished goods that can be produced by ourselves. Import only unique machines and technologies.


    We have already passed this ...

    Provided that the ruble will not change to currency. So that no one could export capital abroad.


    And this also passed ...
    1. CBR600
      CBR600 8 July 2020 12: 06 New
      +1
      And what? Golden ruble. And not oil. And yes, for themselves, energy prices are 10 times lower than exports.
      This is an experiment!
    2. aglet
      aglet 8 July 2020 12: 59 New
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      "We can even dictate, and not something on equal terms ..."
      to whom? Venezuela?
      1. cniza
        cniza 8 July 2020 13: 51 New
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        A market, for example, an agricultural ...
        1. aglet
          aglet 8 July 2020 14: 32 New
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          "A market, for example, an agricultural ..."
          whose market? to your?
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 8 July 2020 13: 10 New
    +1
    The author again sings old and no longer original songs, glorifying "a prison for the good of all."
    To begin with - the longer and further we will stand up for this mythical "good" for these abstract "everyone" - the more poverty-stricken and squeezed we will have a concrete average person.
    Enough of these tales about the exceptional path, Slavophilism, etc. Look at the past 30 years - you can sing Lazarus as much as you like about "contempt for the flesh and the choice of spirituality" - but you need to understand that the USSR collapsed without a civil war (that is, the majority was not interested in what you write about), then the communists are elections from the elections they lost% and the electorate, and finally - as we observe, the inhabitants of the former USSR are much more willing to emigrate from all this mess for the "spirit" not at all to the remaining "sort of" socialist states, but to the countries of developed capitalism.
    The habit of thinking "for life" and angrily stigmatizing the bourgeoisie is one thing; in practice, we observe a completely different picture. People LIKE to live well, people like freedom, people do not like diktat - in our case, they really choose methods of passive resistance to its manifestations (which can create a feeling of tolerance for diktat or the desire to find a "strong hand" among other observers) - according to the majority (evolutionarily) to the drum for all these inclinations, but they will work effectively and steal less only when inside the system they will feel what is written above.
    IMHO - we should distance ourselves from all this mossy philosophy, as well as generally from some dogmatic constructions of the last 100-150 years, and work with that section of the picture that we observe. With the real interests of real Russian people - mostly based on the 30+ generation.

    As for the theorists - from what you wrote, I am personally impressed by autarchy (because our country has enough resources of all kinds to be really independent), but to drive it with a sophisticated fraudulent cannon system, and then savor "Soviet is great!" - this is the path that we have already passed .. We must endure and let this philosophy mature to a level with a human face - before trying again ..
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 July 2020 13: 26 New
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      We must endure and mature this philosophy to a level with a human face - before trying again ..

      How many hundreds of years?
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 8 July 2020 13: 41 New
        +2
        The longer, the longer the thoughts will wander about returning to the former canonicity, with its inherent dogma. It is new because it does not need to lie about the successes and failures of the old or argue about it hoarsely - neither old flags nor old speeches are needed.
        An intellectual club just gathers - they sit down and think about how to organize everything so that there is growth, everyone was happy and stood for centuries. And if you get a concept, they will think about how to come to the beginning of this process. The idea starts with this ..
        Ten years would be enough for the concept - the embodiment would take until 2050. Only cats breed quickly.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 8 July 2020 13: 43 New
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          With these cats will disappear.
          1. depressant
            depressant 8 July 2020 22: 35 New
            +2
            Actually, there was such a club. Now I don’t remember, either in the 90s, or in the 10th. Auzan played there. Aganbegyan, again. The concept was put forward there - growth points, growth areas. So they accepted - TORs, territories of advanced development. Is that familiar? There are tori for a long time, there is no development.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 9 July 2020 01: 38 New
              -1
              TORA economic zone with preferential tax conditions, simplified administrative procedures and other privileges in Russia, created to attract investment, accelerate economic development and improve the lives of the population.
              There are 20 of them 419 enterprises throughout Russia: agricultural enterprises, mining, chemical industry, instrument making, mechanical engineering, textile industry, manufacturing, IT spheres, etc. So, at the expense of development, no - it's you in vain.
              1. Knell wardenheart
                Knell wardenheart 9 July 2020 12: 16 New
                +1
                Within the framework of a system in which business is easily squeezed out and there are big questions about the independence of the courts and the prosecutor's office - such places, with all their seeming appetizing, look more like a mousetrap .. and then the idea of ​​small islands inside the ocean of bureaucracy and corruption schemes does not inspire optimism in terms of realism. " accelerating "such development. Will crawl on the belly, which we observe in my opinion ..
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 9 July 2020 09: 13 New
              +1
              There were a lot of things and what is now, but the country has no development and future with these.
            3. Knell wardenheart
              Knell wardenheart 9 July 2020 12: 11 New
              +1
              In this matter, a lot will not even depend on the level of the individuals participating in the discussion. For example, Korolev was a super-specialist and Glushko was a super-specialist - but they could not give out a common result or concept - because the steepness of one found the steepness of the other, in their interaction there was no adequate arbiter who formulated the task for the activities of both and dividing the functions so that they did not duplicated each other and taking into account the objectively strong sides of each.
              I mean, the discussion can be just endless chatter - without the person organizing the search and forming a certain unified concept - from the sum of the views and the sum of the efforts of the participants in the discussion.
              So the question of the success or failure of such an enterprise directly depends on the compatibility of views on things of the participants, the level of the organizer, his interest in solving the problem "not for show" and, finally, the mechanisms for expanding the discussion on increasingly complex issues - because in the search process you always find intermediate results, and they need to be processed and changed (supplemented) the concept for them.

              I may be wrong about TORs - but I got the feeling that this was a very weak attempt to create a kind of gadyushnichki, in which non-raw materials producers more actively interacted with each other without undue pressure from monopolies and the state. And if I understand correctly, this was at best an attempt not to "interfere" with non-raw materials producers or to motivate raw materials workers to more actively produce some offshoots that are not related to their activities - rather than a real modernization for exhaust in the short-medium term.

              The discussion inspired by the state would generally cause me some skepticism - usually we use it to simulate ebullient activity ..
              1. depressant
                depressant 9 July 2020 12: 47 New
                +2
                Great comment from colleague Knell Wardenheart, just great! I remember that something like a TOP was in Rostov-on-Don - quite far from the city, supposedly a play area. Your own Las Vegas, so to speak. They say that in the cities they set up gadyushniks, the poor are squandering money, the press is worried. Even in my village there was a similar establishment. As part of the criminal case, all over the Moscow region, such points were closed (the building in which we had this very gambling, people still call it "Casino", and there have long been a bunch of grocery stores there). And what is the result? Even if we leave aside the question of the relevance of the project for our economy. Entrepreneurs built something, but the people did not go. The rich did not want to go to the wild steppe, they go to play in the Baltics or wherever else, it is expensive for the poor to get there. The idea was covered with a copper basin. But in all cities, many underground casinos bred. This is the level of decisions made.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 July 2020 01: 18 New
      0
      Mixed into a bunch of horsemen. It seems that you and Samson used substances together.
      1. depressant
        depressant 9 July 2020 15: 49 New
        +1
        Colleague, dear, take it easy!))
        Each leads his argument based on facts known to him. What do you rely on? The impression?

        《Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions to be destroyed》
        Nietzsche.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 8 July 2020 13: 24 New
    0
    The result is this: Russia cannot live in the so-called. the global market on an equal footing. A country cannot afford free trade. Only autarchy-autocracy. Nationalization of land, forests, bowels, strategic enterprises. Low energy prices inside the country, barriers to the import of finished goods that can be produced by ourselves. Import only unique machines and technologies. The export of raw materials is only in the public interest, it is necessary for the country itself. Either an exchange for other valuable raw materials that Russia does not have or lacks, or a redistribution of proceeds from the sale of raw materials to the development of advanced technologies.

    Almost totally agree! Only not autarchy-autocracy, but autarky-socialism.
  • Jünger
    Jünger 8 July 2020 14: 47 New
    +1
    Climate, of course, is an important thing, but the effectiveness and success of the state is directly proportional to the square of the number of white people living in it.
    As soon as the trepidation about internationalism, multinationality and friendship of peoples begins, the segregation of people by nationality disappears, and the state rolls to the level of Pakistan with Uganda.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 July 2020 01: 21 New
      0
      I agree. It is necessary to bring blacks let them work. And we state-building will be occupied with spirituality and greatness.
  • harpsichord
    harpsichord 9 July 2020 00: 18 New
    -1
    You know, terribly tired that the absence of warm toilets is explained by cold winters, or a unique civilization.
    But what if you look? Well, if it’s so cold in Moscow and St. Petersburg, he can build factories and ships in Sochi; and here it is - competitiveness; put the whole world?
  • Semenov
    Semenov 9 July 2020 07: 31 New
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    Chewing chewed. We are not the West or the East, we are the North, we must proceed from this. Revealing the theme of inevitable backwardness and economic poverty - Rome, the "city on the hill" was destroyed by unwashed barbarians, like the Mongols China, Russia and other Bukhara. Napoleonic Europe (as well as Hitler's later) - "backward and barbaric" Russia. Does not fit with the reality of the author's article. The development of technology is not hindered by distance, cold and other alarmists, benefits are even drawn from a vacuum. Considering the duration of the existence of the state, the same topic is revealed on other resources much more interestingly.
    1. depressant
      depressant 9 July 2020 16: 31 New
      +1
      Semenov, respected Author You offended in vain. He proposed a topic, a discussion ensued. You have a point of view based on facts found on other resources (really, but where else can we get the facts?), So state it! I would love to read and even note something.
      For example, in one of the next topics, the tank64rus colleague raised the issue of the national and comprador bourgeoisie. The fact that Putin’s task after the adoption of the amendments is to replace our compradors with nationally oriented ones, which will solve many problems that arise due to all the factors presented in the article.
      The opinion of colleague SVD68 is based on the theory of tyranny as presented by Aristotle. Even tyranny is useful and the state develops if one clan of aristocratic thieves replaces another and the change process is continuous.
      But I am of the opinion that since the time of Peter the Great, a bad tradition of compradorism was established in our ruling elite, which did not disappear even in Soviet times. On the contrary, it went underground, and there degenerated into a betrayal, which ultimately destroyed a powerful country, turning it into what we have. If Putin succeeds in breaking this tradition, then the country will revive despite our geographical difficulties.
      See what the scatter of opinions is?
      So, do not be shy, state yours. I am sure that it is interesting.
      1. Semenov
        Semenov 17 July 2020 08: 21 New
        +1
        With pleasure. In the article “Russia in a Changing Geopolitical Space”, published on May 28, 2020 on the REGNUM news agency website, its author Yelena Panina, Doctor of Economics, Professor, member of the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, Director of the Institute of Russian Strategies, raised the question of a geopolitical alternative to the dominant concept dichotomies of the West and the East, where Russia cannot find its optimal place. It is alleged that Russia is the civilization of the North, but the West and the East refuse to admit the obvious, receiving new threats (communism, space, the Arctic, etc.) as a result of wars (including bloodless ones).
        The great Garrincha said: "As you know, there are 200 million fans in Brazil, and each has its own squad." Putin has his own and plays accordingly. The goal is unclear, but a powerful foundation is being laid for the future.
        And even despite the increase in prices, the increase in pensions. age, theft, the welfare of the people is growing.
        1. depressant
          depressant 17 July 2020 09: 01 New
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          Semenov, thank you very much! Very interesting. I’ll take your opinion as well. Sorry for not responding right away. Then with this Furgal everyone got confused for the most I can not)))
  • Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 9 July 2020 08: 22 New
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    Quote: Arzt
    The United States is 90% between 50 and 30 parallels.
    Between Voronezh and Hurghada.

    Voronezh beyond the 50 parallel, more precisely 52 degrees, so it is north of the states, but exactly at the same latitude as London.
  • CBR600
    CBR600 9 July 2020 09: 42 New
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    The only thing I expect, but they will not tell us, is the result of the new constitution, when our legislation becomes over their legislation. I’m directly asking experts to explain to me how this will be in relation to the internal price of energy and the external. In my opinion, horseradish will allow us to set our prices inside. And now I don’t see / do not count on another option.
    Somewhere at the level of war communism, something needs radical shocking, for example, free gas and water.
  • Yuri Nemov
    Yuri Nemov 9 July 2020 13: 26 New
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    The author carries nonsense. The Russian Empire was a leader in agriculture, especially in grain crops and the climate did not interfere at all, and now the Russian Federation is breaking into the leaders in the collection of grain, which can not be said about the USSR. So it’s not a matter of climate, but of a business model. Soviet collective farms, as in the rest, and the entire Soviet model of the economy were extremely inefficient, that’s the whole secret.
  • Kapellan23
    Kapellan23 9 July 2020 15: 15 New
    -1
    Russia is a unique autocratic civilization, not the West and not the East. Therefore, attempts to integrate Russia into the Western (global) capitalist system and make it competitive within the global market turn into colonial dependence and collapse for the country's economy. And for the people - poverty and extinction.


    Only this does not apply, but they do everything exactly the opposite. Proven schemes that work in Europe, Asia and America do not apply, justifying their incompetence "in a special way."
  • Obliterator
    Obliterator 9 July 2020 20: 39 New
    -1
    Westerners have already twice arranged confusion in Russia: in 1917 and 1991.

    Both the one and the other turmoil were mainly the result of internal reasons. "Westerners" are only partially to blame for them.
  • harpsichord
    harpsichord 9 July 2020 21: 46 New
    -1
    Not looking there ... Here it is necessary
    http://realtribune.ru/news/people/4616?utm_source=finobzor.ru
    "Worse than Zimbabwe and Congo: 1% of Russia's super-wealthy own 20,2% of the country's income"
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 10 July 2020 00: 32 New
    0
    Russia is the world center between Europe and Asia.
  • sergeyship1960
    sergeyship1960 10 July 2020 11: 45 New
    +1
    Yes that's right ! Great article!
  • georggy
    georggy 10 July 2020 15: 29 New
    0
    What a Russophobic nonsense.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 10 July 2020 19: 49 New
    0
    The author is absolutely right, the whole territory of Russia falls into the zone with minus average annual temperature with deep freezing of the soil in the cold season, unlike almost all countries of the world. Almost all natural resources are located in the Far North and the cost of their production is much higher than in other countries, and this significantly reduces the profit in industry.
    1. harpsichord
      harpsichord 10 July 2020 23: 59 New
      -1
      And where does Europe take resources, please tell me?
  • Stepanych55
    Stepanych55 12 July 2020 14: 49 New
    0
    Almost never met on the Internet anything equal in accuracy and objectivity to reflect the realities of Russia's existence in the modern era. Around Parshev’s book (it was preceded by the article “The Bitter Theorem”), the main ideas of which were briefly presented by the author, from the moment of its publication to the present day there has developed a “conspiracy of silence”. She is very uncomfortable with both the opposition and the authorities. The main idea of ​​the “liberal” opposition: the only source of evil preventing Russia from becoming the West is the “Putin regime”. To overthrow him - and in a short time we will have "as there". The idea that Russia’s lagging behind developed countries has objective (in particular - geographical) reasons, being brought to a wide range of citizens, is an obvious obstacle to their political aspirations. For the authorities, the recognition of this sad but objective circumstance will lead to a serious weakening of influence, loss of trust ratings and, ultimately, will mean political suicide. Voters of any country will always prefer the “sweet lie” to the “bitter truth” and go after the populists who promise them a “sweet life” despite the economically uncomfortable geography. However, recent attempts by the authorities to maximally stimulate the development of IT technologies in the country (primarily production of software products) are indirect evidence that she understands and tries to take this “bitter theorem” into account in her actions. Indeed, this direction of development is now almost the only one where Russia has a chance to compete on equal terms (or almost equal) in the world market with the most developed countries of the world and weaken its dependence on hydrocarbon exports.
  • harpsichord
    harpsichord 12 July 2020 15: 42 New
    -1
    Vladimir Vysotsky - Ballad About Truth And Lies

    "Tender Truth walked in beautiful clothes,
    Dressed up for orphans, blessed ones, cripples.
    The Brutal Falsehood lured this Truth to itself, -
    Like, stay with me for the night. "

    Duc remained - and still resets ...
    The Far East - comes faster and deeper.
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 14 July 2020 01: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    Murmansk. At this latitude, the Amer and the British, to say the Canadians, only the Inuit villages for 500 people, and shift workers.

    What is Murmansk? I used to be there in a past life, it is warm in winter and cool in summer. And here I live in Khabarovsk, which is on the same latitude as Sochi, and so I have winter minus 30 (sometimes lower) with 100% humidity and wind 15-25 meters per second, and today I have plus 30 (sometimes higher ) with the same humidity and in the complete absence of wind, that is, as in a bathhouse!