Turkey began the second phase of tests of S-400 air defense systems by American fighters

Turkey has begun the next phase of trials of the S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile system, purchased from Russia. It is reported by Fighter Jets World.

According to the publication, the tests of the S-400 began on July 4 at the Myurt airbase near Ankara. The system will be circled around by US-made F-16 Fighting Falcon and F-4 Phantom II fighters. It is reported that tests involve the flight of fighters at high and low altitudes. Testing of Russian missile systems is planned to be completed in November this year.

Thus, according to the publication, Ankara ignored US warnings about possible sanctions due to the S-400 air defense system tests.

Recall that this is the second test of the Russian S-400 system, conducted by Turkey. For the first time, radar coverage of Russian stations was also carried out by F-16 Fighting Falcon and F-4 Phantom II fighters in November last year. According to the results of those tests, information appeared that the tests were more "complex than expected in Russia." It was also reported that the S-400 was tested not only by airplanes, but even by helicopter.

Subsequently, the United States expressed strong concern about the tests and threatened Ankara with further sanctions.

Comments

[NEXUS]

If you do not want to give mattresses, then the S-400 really confirms its performance characteristics.

[neri73-r]

If the system did not pass the test, then they would not have concluded a second contract!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: neri73-r

If the system did not pass the test, then they would not have concluded a second contract!

It would be more interesting, of course, if tests were carried out on the F-22 and F-35.

[Lopatov]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

It would be more interesting, of course, if tests were carried out on the F-22 and F-35.

Turkey tests its S-400 missiles to track F-22s and F-35s
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_july_2020_global_security_army_industry/turkey_has_tested_its_s-400_missile_system_to_track_f-22s_and_f-35s.html

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Spade

Quote: aleksejkabanets

It would be more interesting, of course, if tests were carried out on the F-22 and F-35.

Turkey tests its S-400 missiles to track F-22s and F-35s
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_july_2020_global_security_army_industry/turkey_has_tested_its_s-400_missile_system_to_track_f-22s_and_f-35s.html

Thank you.

[Charik]

? that it was the Turks who tested the C400 to escort F22-35?

[Charik]

and then later transferred to Russia

[Andrey Ostroushko]

Israeli airfields, where their F-35s are located and fly, are located within the range of our S-400s in Hmeimim (look at the map). We know everything about them for a long time

[Charik]

there is a difference — the Turks could try all the varicas — from above — from below — from left to right — with reb-without reb-with external suspensions — single-group — so no need to compare with Israeli take-offs — they took off and dive

[Andrey Ostroushko]

What a dive, Israeli F-35s from these military airfields operate dozens of flights over their territory every day, including military ones, including over the territory of Lebanon and the Mediterranean Sea. They shoot at the territory of Syria with planning bombs, without crossing the border, and for this a high altitude is needed. And how can a plane not fly from all angles?

[Charik]

since the air defense system and its radar station are in the same position and you can fly to it on one side and they already know where to fly so that they see less, walked to the launch point at small ones, took off at the desired one, threw them off and back down

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Charik

and then later transferred to Russia

It is written there:
Turkey tested its first Russian S-400 Triumph systems on the F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II fighters. BulgarianMilitary.com with link to "Evening Courier" and "World of Fighters" magazines. The test results were not disclosed, but judging by the absence of complaints, it can be assumed that the country is completely satisfied with the systems.as BulgarianMilitary writes.
Two batteries of Russian-made S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems are deployed at the Myurt airbase. They have been tested at least three times on American stealth fighters. The Aviation Pro news agency indicates that not only F-35s, but also the more secret F-22s, have appeared in the detection zone.

Fifth-generation American fighters were sent to the Middle East through the Black Sea and directly to Turkey. Their route ran about 170-200 kilometers from the Turkish airbase Myurt. Therefore, the Turkish side had an excellent opportunity to test their S-400 for aerodynamic purposes. This is not the first test of Turkish S-400s over American fighters: in November 2019, videos appeared showing tests of the S-400 radar on F-16 and F-4E Phantoms fighters. Thus, Turkey has crossed "another red line" by starting tests of the radar detection system acquired from Russia as part of the S-400 missile defense system, said US Senator Christopher Van Hollen from Maryland.

The United States wanted to buy S-400 missile systems from Turkey to break the deadlock regarding Ankara’s participation in the F-35 Lightning II production program. To the satisfaction of Russia, Turkey rejected this offer.

[Charik]

Yeah, and the Americans flying helped the Turks from all angles and in different modes spun in front of the radar

[Sanichsan]

while Turkey has an export option, that is, castrated.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: NEXUS

If you do not want to give mattresses, then S-400

Not to life!
. The first time around the radar of Russian stations was also carried out by fighters F-16 Fighting Falcon and F-4 Phantom II last November
I already wrote S-400s bought only to protect the life and health of the precious sultan from the next coup of flyers on the F-16, but the Retriot does not shoot at its own.

[years]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

I already wrote S-400 bought only to protect the life and health of the precious Sultan from another coup flyers on the F-16

for this purpose, it would be enough to purchase something that is clearly simpler and cheaper, for example, the S-300 with some necessary modernization. The S-400 seems clearly redundant.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: ans

The S-400 seems clearly redundant.

For you and me, of course, but not the precious Sultan who has been attacked more than once.

[businessv]

Quote: ans

The S-400 seems clearly redundant.

I think that Erdogan does not think so - after all, his life is at stake, not yours!

[years]

The Sultan's precious life has nothing to do with it ... Protecting the most important gas pipeline project, you know which one from you know who, and at the same time your dear Turkish people from democracy and its aircraft carriers ... And definitely NOT without systematic ones, and I think they are very convincing " proposals "from Moscow. That's how it will be more true.

[Tank jacket]

F-16 is not only in Turkey. Maybe the fate of Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Iraq does not allow you to sleep soundly without the S-400?

[businessv]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

I already wrote S-400s bought only to protect the life and health of the precious sultan from the next coup of flyers on the F-16, but the Retriot does not shoot at its own.

You are not alone, colleague! The impetus for the acquisition of the complex was precisely the putsch in 2016 after the F-16 shooting result you indicated, and a supply agreement was concluded.

[Lopatov]

Quote: businessv

The motivation for the acquisition of the complex was precisely the putsch of 2016

No.
In fact, the starting point was the conflict in Syria

[tralflot1832]

Did someone shoot at F 16 coup? Or did I miss something!

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

The retriot does not fire on his own.

Why did you decide this interesting? It all depends on what kind of response the target will give in response to exposure - your own or someone else's (in response to radar exposure). The patriot has already shot down targets giving the answer "Svoy", as far as I remember in the Gulf War.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

It all depends on what kind of response the target will give in response to radiation - one’s own or someone else’s (in response to radiation exposure).

You act honestly, expressed your opinion and it does not matter whether it is correct or not, but it is YOUR, unlike those who do not have their own opinion and just put the minuses they don’t like letters.
And now to our "rams".
Radar recognition system ("Friend or foe") - IFF encoding (program for identifying friends and enemies)
If Turkey relies heavily on NATO, the IFF system considers all NATO member states to be friendly. Not to mention their own. And if an F-16 attack is made, the IFF system will not consider this as an attack and will ignore it.
Turkey plans to make its S-400 interface program compatible with NATO systems, but not compatible with its Air Force YES WILL BE ANSWERED "Friend or foe"
That’s why they’ve been checking the S-400 on the F-16 for so long and in a few calls.
But what will end all these cunning and wise men of Erdogan we will see.

[Cyril G ...]

The system of state recognition periodically updates the codes. I will not go deep into this question.
The fact is that at one moment Turkey can be cut off from the NATO identification codes on one side, and on the other hand, the identification codes can be changed by the Turkish armed forces. This is also possible ..
The bottom line is this does not depend on technology. If the owner needs, you can change the codes

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

I will not go deep into this question.

And do not, I served in the air defense.

Quote: Cyril G ...

If the owner needs, you can change the codes

This is all right, but the manufacturer Patriot, the company Raytheon and the NATO leadership do not give permission to change to different codes. In the case of the S-400, everything is possible for your money. And this is all annoying Americans. And Erdogan wants to sit comfortably in two chairs both at home and married.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

I served in air defense.

Then you have an idea what it is about

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

but the manufacturer Patriot, the company Raytheon and the NATO leadership do not give permission to change to different codes.

Oh, how interesting!

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

And Erdogan wants to sit comfortably in two chairs both at home and married.

The Americans did everything for this ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Thank you, I understand YOU

[gorecc]

I already wrote S-400 bought only to protect the life and health of the precious sultan from another coup of the flyers on the F-16, but the Retriot does not fire at its own

what nonsense? The C-400 was bought in order to reinforce the claims of the Turks in the eastern Mediterranean (disputes over the gas shelf) in a hypothetical conflict with the same Greece (which has both patriots and c300). You have to understand that before buying the c400, the Turks didn’t have a modern air defense system at all, and that for a country that has very strained relations with its neighbors it’s an unacceptable luxury. ), so the option with 400 worked.
The only thing for the Turks IMHO was to wait for the delivery of at least the first pair of f-35s, and only then enter into a contract for the supply of Russian systems, then the jamb came out, they were incomplete)

[Prisoner]

So he is not really a stranger either.

[5-9]

and the Retriot doesn’t shoot in his own way.

Dadysh ???? The pilot of the American F-16, shot down by the American Patriot in Iraq, doesn’t agree ... another Patriot, inundated with the AGM-88 with the F-16, was avenged ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: 5-9

Dadysh ????

Iraq joins NATO?
It was turned off the defendant system "friend or foe." Apparently they, too, like you decided that in the territory of the country of NATO.
readTHOSE Higher.

[5-9]

Again

Pilot American F-16, downed American Patriot in Iraq

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: 5-9

Again

Read my post above.

[Cyril G ...]

Erroneous recognition of codes is quite likely. Especially when there is no time to clarify

[venik]

Quote: NEXUS

If you do not want to give mattresses, then the S-400 really confirms its performance characteristics.

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So the Turks recognized it last fall!

[Svetlana]

The test can only be one of the weights on the scales to give - not to give.
Other weights are:
- Fear of quarreling with Russia
- Give a little.
- Erdogon remembers that it was America that made the failed coup.
- There is nothing to shoot down American planes.
...Etc. ..
The Americans have just cast a bait and bargaining will continue. And in the end, it is not necessary that the C400 does not fall into American hands.

[Asad]

It’s difficult to NATO, I’ll give there and I won’t give you! They did not give the United States sold Russia! Let your elbows bite.

[Aaron Zawi]

I wonder what they want to know? For the S-400, these machines, if they do not use jammers, are not a problem to detect.

[Keyser soze]

I wonder what they want to know?

All that can be exchanged for indulgence.

[Grazdanin]

Look at the date of the US presidential election

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

I wonder what they want to know? For the S-400, these machines, if they do not use jammers, are not a problem to detect.

There are always boundary values ​​for performance characteristics. Even if the truth is written in a piece of paper, it still makes sense to check, this is the first batch. Moreover, this is training.

Regarding testing with electronic warfare. Most likely they will also check, but for the full picture you need to check without electronic warfare.

And the fact that they will need to check necessarily. This is a friend or foe job with EW on. It is unlikely that the factory tests were. Russian air defense, and NATO module.

[venik]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

I wonder what they want to know?

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And Allah knows them! Last year, for example, they were truly amazed at the ability of the 400s to detect and track the target, whose tangential velocity component is 0 (i.e., there is no Doppler effect) .....

[Vita vko]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

if they do not use jammers

The capabilities of the jammers available to Turkey were tested first. Now, under the guise of repeated tests, work is underway to integrate the S-400 into the Turkish air defense system. SAM is not enough to deploy, it is necessary for ACS systems to understand it, integration with recognition, shooting systems, etc. is needed.

[Cyril G ...]

Verify the instructions for combat engagement with reality.

[bayard]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

I wonder what they want to know?

A routine flyby for compiling visibility zone maps for a specific type of target, at all heights and from all angles, with the identification and accurate documentation of all closing angles, for a specific position and specific radar.

[gorecc]

maybe they want to know the detection threshold by range and altitude? how does the system behave when jamming?

[Charik]

when jamming, it’s impossible to detect the plane, I think it’s possible to make a capture, only the range is unknown, maybe other characteristics of the target are also possible?

[Avior]

it’s quite possible that they simply adjusted the radar, for this purpose the planes drove

[5-9]

S-400 interference can be crushed, of course, but the result will not please .... it can only be at the detection boundary, and even then ..

[Mouse]

Did American fighters survive? Or how?

[Fan]

Thus, according to the publication, Ankara ignored US warnings about possible sanctions due to the S-400 air defense system tests.

Well, if the United States is shaking like that, then there is a reason ... But this is an export option!
Come on Erdogan show the power of Russian air defense!
And then "some tovaischi" have already started to spit, like the Russian created bullshit .. Well, well.

[Grazdanin]

Testing of Russian missile systems is planned to be completed in November this year.

The 2020 US presidential election is scheduled for November 3, 2020.
Coincidence?)

[Magic archer]

It would be interesting to know the results. Especially with modern Western technology. Especially with the use of electronic warfare

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Magic Archer

It would be interesting to know the results. Especially with modern Western technology. Especially with the use of electronic warfare

Um. Is phantom a modern technique?

[Magic archer]

Did I voice Phantoms ?! I meant at least the F-16 of the latest modifications.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Magic Archer

Did I voice Phantoms ?! I meant at least the F-16 of the latest modifications.

And where did the Turks get the latest modifications?

[gorecc]

so the Turks have rippers and are armed, I read about it here

[Cyril G ...]

True, no one saw them, Except for one dreamer, Military Belance did not know about them, Jane for 12 years too. Wiki Russian current knows. Adnaka ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

And where did the Turks get the latest modifications?

Incirlik
And not only F-16

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

And where did the Turks get the latest modifications?

The Turk F16 block 50 is the most modern, like yours, also modified. They recently installed an electronic protection system, they could test it.

[Charik]

but no matter what F16, they are all the same, just the Israelis all the same on invisible planes cryat them C400 is not scary

[tikhonov66]

Israelis vseravno on invisible planes cryat them C400 is not scary

- three times "HA"
8-))

[Charik]

if Fantik and F16 in size, like most other NATO aircraft, then what is the difference - and suspended containers of the same identical algorithms

[Cowbra]

The Senate has already blazed, by the way

[Lopatov]

I would call it "bombing"
They themselves are to blame, we must pay attention to the needs of the allies. And do not try to use their problems to create another leash ...

[Alien From]

Heather Sultan is impossible .... otherwise he would not have sat so much as a leader ......

[Desert Battleship]

If in the mind, then Turkey would need to pass the test data to the manufacturer of the air defense system manufacturer, so to speak, to improve performance in the future

[gregor6549]

My opinion. Of course, the Turks will not give the S-400 to anyone. Not for that bought. But the test results are likely to merge the United States, perhaps that is not free. And they will kill two bunnies at once. And with the S-400 they will remain, and they will make peace with the Americans. After all, there are more ways of counteracting such air defense systems than those of the air defense system itself. I do not exclude that such a game was started from the very beginning of the negotiations between the Turks and Russia on the sale of this system.

[Dikson]

With the same success, you can write in the headline: the US Air Force is painstakingly learning to resist the C400 complex

[Charik]

Turkey began the second phase of the S400 air defense test with its American-made fighters