Investigation of two Nazi photo cases in Immortal Regiment completed

The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation completed the investigation of criminal cases against 19-year-old Permian Daniil Simanov and 23-year-old young man from Ulyanovsk Vyacheslav Kruglov. They are accused of publishing photographs of Nazi criminals for participating in the Immortal Regiment rally.

A message about this appeared on the official website of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation.

The charge is based on article 354.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, which provides for criminal punishment for the rehabilitation of Nazism.

According to investigators, Daniil Simanov sent to the “Memory Bank” a photograph of former Soviet general Andrei Vlasov, who became a traitor and collaborator. The guy explained his actions by the fact that he wanted to justify him.

Vyacheslav Kruglov tried to post on this site a photo of the Nazi leader Adolf Hitler. The young man said that was a stupid joke. At the same time, he knew who Hitler was and that he was recognized as a war criminal.

At the end of the investigation, the Investigative Committee sent the materials to the prosecutor's office. These two cases are not the only ones where it comes to posting photographs of Nazi criminals to participate in the Immortal Regiment. For the rest, the investigation is not yet completed.

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[Cowbra]

And both turned out to be bulk containers, which is characteristic

[Nastia makarova]

and what else from morons to expect

[snake]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

and what else from morons to expect

And what do we want from the youth after Mikhalkovsky and Bondarchukovsky kin, where the Nazis-SS men are represented by such knights "the same people"? Young people, they are like a sponge ... What they see is what they think about.

[Nastia makarova]

2 people in such a country, this is normal statistics))))

[snake]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

2 people in such a country, this is normal statistics))))

2 chelas who shoot some of the highest budget films in the Russian Federation? And these are only the most "venerable". And who took the T-34 and Indestructible? Another "2 chela"? In total, there are already 4 people, and this is not the final list.

[doubovitski]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

2 people in such a country, this is normal statistics))))

2 scum who have lost every roof in his head. How many bastards have not yet crawled out of the underground? Kolya from Urengoy ..... Take the staffing of Echo of Moscow. Rain. Similar dumps. There will be hundreds of them.

[Gnefredov]

You spoke very softly about modern cinema on historical topics. Right :)

[Incvizitor]

But the Balkan Frontier was suitably removed, truthful and interesting, at the same time the action is much like young people love ...

[Serg65]

Quote: serpent

Young people, she’s like a sponge.

Seryozha, don’t you know how you can make a freak out of youth!

[Vend]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

and what else from morons to expect

You can expect a lot of bad things from morons, look at the USA.

[4ekist]

Let them sit down, they deserve the term. Seven per capita will be just right.

[Rzzz]

Quote: 4ekist

Seven per capita will be just right.

I do not want to justify them in any way, but no one will be of any use to the fact that they will be imprisoned.
1. For the defendants themselves, it’s only worse, it’s clear that there is no educational effect in the colony, and after 3.5 years of parole, we will receive trained criminals who hate the authorities and the state, and are not so stupid anymore.
2. For the authorities themselves - only bear the costs of the maintenance of prisoners and legal costs. There is no use, to use in propaganda, to raise the level of patriotism among the people will not work for many obvious reasons.
3. For most of the rest of society - do not care. We have many recent events have taught people less to pay attention to such things. But that is the majority, and after all there are still small groups of citizens who will see that the state is oppressing spiritualized individuals, and protest moods will grow at their expense, which are already significant in our country.

The only one for whom it will be "just right" is a relatively small group of people of retirement and pre-retirement age who are aggressively disposed towards everyone in whom they see the reason for their not very rosy situation. But there is nothing to be done with them, they have always been.

[Incvizitor]

And it seems to me that it is necessary to close them for a long time, other such "fighters against the regime" may ponder, at least those whose brain has not yet completely atrophied.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Incvizitor

other such "fighters against the regime" may think

They will think "the other way". How to use proxies and SSH so you don't get caught.

[Incvizitor]

Then at least it will be necessary to strain, all the more, all kinds of all kinds of youngsters who haven’t grown smarter will be harder to chemicalize with servers.

[Roman123567]

What other wrestlers are there, hospadi ..
The children are still .. stupidly fooling around .. from the discharge to piss at night near the strong point .. or to put a bunch on the floor of the hacked cottage ..
We inflated some buzz from nothing ..

[Serg65]

Quote: Roman123567

Children are still .. stupidly fooled

Somewhere I already heard it? ... aah, ONE CHILD! So you, Roma, for fascism in a single country?

[Rzzz]

Quote: Roman123567

We inflated some buzz from nothing ..

Exactly what inflated. This is such a media occasion. And propogants pour tons of nightingale jelly for one purpose - to generate hatred in the population. We must definitely hate someone, then we just manage. This is a fairly obvious truth, but few understand it.
By the way, the central channels for the sake of their rating showed a picture of young Hitler during the discussion even more than on the site that no one had visited.

[orionvitt]

Quote: rzzz

from the fact that they are planted - no one will be of any use.

Understand and forgive?

[Rzzz]

Not. But from waving a saber there was no sense at all, I showed that it was even worse.
I do not know what to do.

[Thunderbringer]

Quote: rzzz

I do not want to justify them in any way, but no one will be of any use to the fact that they will be imprisoned.

They are children.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Thunderbringer

They are children.

And you do not think for them. You think for yourself more.
Here you have a hatred of others, you want to tear, plant, send away, apply a life-long stigma.
And how are you then different from the Nazis? They felt the same feelings for Jews. Hatred unites you with them.

[Shuttle]

Quote: rzzz

Quote: 4ekist

Seven per capita will be just right.

I do not want to justify them in any way, but no one will be of any use to the fact that they will be imprisoned.
1. For the defendants themselves, it’s only worse, it’s clear that there is no educational effect in the colony, and after 3.5 years of parole, we will receive trained criminals who hate the authorities and the state, and are not so stupid anymore.
2. For the authorities themselves - only bear the costs of the maintenance of prisoners and legal costs. There is no use, to use in propaganda, to raise the level of patriotism among the people will not work for many obvious reasons.
3. For most of the rest of society - do not care. We have many recent events have taught people less to pay attention to such things. But that is the majority, and after all there are still small groups of citizens who will see that the state is oppressing spiritualized individuals, and protest moods will grow at their expense, which are already significant in our country.

The only one for whom it will be "just right" is a relatively small group of people of retirement and pre-retirement age who are aggressively disposed towards everyone in whom they see the reason for their not very rosy situation. But there is nothing to be done with them, they have always been.

If you do not punish, then we will get not only these two unpunished morons, but also a bunch of similar followers.
The punishment of a criminal is more beneficial to society than to the criminal himself. Because a crime is usually committed in the hope of avoiding punishment. The inevitability of punishment leads to order.
Ordnung muß seηn unter den Leuten (German, Order [divine, approx. Schuttle] should be between people. © Martin Luther.)

[Rzzz]

Quote: Shuttle

The punishment of a criminal is more beneficial to society than to the criminal himself.

Do not try to apply the morality of the Middle Ages to modern realities. The world is changing. He has already seriously changed, and will change even more. It is useless to slow down this process. The sooner we all realize this, the easier and easier it will be for us. And the greater the likelihood that we will be able to direct this process in a direction favorable to us.
Unfortunately, many of us live in the "old" realities. The authorities, in general, froze in the 30s, except that they just learned at the very least to use the Internet. And according to the mentality of the same commissar in an overcoat and with a revolver on his sword belt. True, the commissioner was devoted to the party, and the modern bureaucrat was devoted to his account in a Cypriot bank in the name of a distant relative and to his villa in Italy ..

[Shuttle]

Quote: rzzz

Quote: Shuttle

The punishment of a criminal is more beneficial to society than to the criminal himself.

Do not try to apply the morality of the Middle Ages to modern realities. The world is changing. He has already seriously changed, and will change even more. It is useless to slow down this process ..

Yes, yes, yes ... Soon there will be no theaters. Yes! One continuous television!
Verily I say unto you! On the third day, the Earth will fly on the celestial axis!

You know, these conversations about progress, a changing world were 150 years ago under Tolstoy and Dostgevsky, 200 years ago under Pushkin, 250 years ago under Karamzin, 2000 years ago under Matthew and Luke. And even before them in another part of the world under Confucius and Lao Tzu. In secret, I’ll say that the Bhagavad Gita, which is no less than 5 thousand years old, is all about the same. The world is changing? Yes, he is always changing. Like water in the ocean. And the people in it are changing, but not so much. And the crime of the future can be prevented only by the inevitability of punishment of the past crime. This has not changed for thousands of years. Impunity leads to ruin.

The principle of responsibility for actions is never medieval. This is the most modern, most actual, immutable and enduring law of nature.

[Rzzz]

You really don’t understand what this is about, or are you trying to bring me to an unproductive debate?
When I say that the world is changing, I mean that the people who inhabit it are changing. The moral values ​​of today's youth are different from yours. Where you see a terrible sin - there is a small prank for them, or generally in the order of things. Why this happens - I do not fully understand, I am not a psychologist, but I see it quite clearly. And the further this bullshit continues, the more old men yell about the Kolyma, the larger this gap will be, the more they will be confident in the correctness of their position. Perhaps this is some kind of opposition to values ​​alien to them, imposed on them by the older generation. Punishing and committing other unproductive actions is useless, it will lead not to what you write about, but to the opposite - an even greater rejection of "your" values, and the search for an alternative. And they are not going to be "responsible" to you.

But okay. I'm tired of explaining the obvious to those who don't want to understand. Scream "ten years of Siberia Kalym". To your health.
I said everything, I won’t answer here anymore.

[zwlad]

I do not want to justify them in any way, but no one will be of any use to the fact that they will be imprisoned.

There is science for those like them. Next year there will be less such scum. They will be afraid of the inevitability of punishment.

[Rzzz]

Quote: zwlad

They will be afraid of the inevitability of punishment.

And we have no inevitability. Go down to the ground.

[4ekist]

If you get them. Prepared criminals, put them again and forever.
To incur expenses for the maintenance of prisoners is a flaw in the legislative and executive branches. And what if all veterans, invalids of the Second World War, prisoners of concentration camps sue for moral damage (it was a spit in the face) and let them pay, it will be fair.

[doubovitski]

Quote: rzzz

Quote: 4ekist

Seven per capita will be just right.

I do not want to justify them in any way, but no one will be of any use to the fact that they will be imprisoned.
1. For the defendants themselves, it’s only worse, it’s clear that there is no educational effect in the colony, and after 3.5 years of parole, we will receive trained criminals who hate the authorities and the state, and are not so stupid anymore.
2. For the authorities themselves - only bear the costs of the maintenance of prisoners and legal costs. There is no use, to use in propaganda, to raise the level of patriotism among the people will not work for many obvious reasons.
3. For most of the rest of society - do not care. We have many recent events have taught people less to pay attention to such things. But that is the majority, and after all there are still small groups of citizens who will see that the state is oppressing spiritualized individuals, and protest moods will grow at their expense, which are already significant in our country.

The only one for whom it will be "just right" is a relatively small group of people of retirement and pre-retirement age who are aggressively disposed towards everyone in whom they see the reason for their not very rosy situation. But there is nothing to be done with them, they have always been.

In order not to cripple their souls that are not yet completely crippled, do you propose to justify and reward, on Adolf's birthday? Punish. HARD. For the edification of others. More than a theft, because their presence erodes dozens of neighboring souls. No correspondence. Without the right of pardon and parole. And after serving his sentence, a settlement in the Tundra. Forever.

[Rzzz]

Quote: doubovitski

Punish. HARD. For the edification of others. More than embezzlement, for their presence erodes dozens of neighboring souls. No correspondence. Without the right of pardon and parole. And after serving his sentence, a settlement in the Tundra. Forever

Adolf was also on the same emotions, only to other groups of the population. How do you differ from him? Your level of hatred is too high, but thank God you are not Adolf, you are relatively harmless, but you are also in some way a fascist.
I really don’t care about these juveniles, especially since I can’t offer the right decision what to do with them. An ever-growing level of hatred in society is bothering me, we are now ready to hate everyone who is shown on TV and waved a red rag.
Only on this site they hate fiercely:
1. Bulk, it is not clear for what at all.
2. These jerks, although I'm not even sure that they exist in nature.
3. Everyone who is for power.
4. Everyone who is against the government,
5. Who did not serve in the army
6. Who, by virtue of their professional knowledge, knows more in the subject under discussion, but this knowledge diverges from the generally accepted point of view.
..... Yes, even dofiga everything. Discussions here often turn into a showdown on personalities. Even a few years ago, this in Internet communication
Citizens, you do not understand chtoli? Hate mob is the easiest way to control the masses.

[zwlad]

I really don’t care about these juveniles, especially since I can’t offer the right decision what to do with them.

That's why there are such ones that everyone did not care. (they are children)

[Rzzz]

Quote: zwlad

That's why there are such

You see, I'm not even very sure that they exist. I see what violent reactions arise in a fairly large percentage of the citizens who write here, and it seems to me more and more that this is a propaganda sketch.

[zwlad]

Do you see a gopher?
No.
But he is! (from)

[Shuttle]

Quote: rzzz

I really don’t care about these juveniles, especially since I can’t offer the right decision what to do with them. An ever-growing level of hatred in society is bothering me, we are now ready to hate everyone who is shown on TV and waved a red rag.

You do not sign for everyone. But on one thing I agree with you. Idiots who do not understand the difference between prank and crime must be brought up

Quote: rzzz

Only on this site they hate fiercely:
1. Bulk, it is not clear for what at all.

Bulk do not hate. Schulerfuhrer’s speeches (German, leader of shkolota) are not taken seriously because Olesha does not have a positive, constructive agenda. Only negative. It is very clear what he is against. But there is no way to understand what he is for. It is very easy to be against, but it is impossible to create something new. It’s hard to be in, but this is the only way to build something. In a word, verbiage Alexey. No more, but no less.

Quote: rzzz

2. These jerks, although I'm not even sure that they exist in nature.

The jerks are quite mature. And even competent with t.z. law and laws. And they do not hate. They hate the acts committed by them in a known manner. That is yes. Personally, to them, to their attitude, I feel nothing besides compassion. And out of this same compassion, I ask you to subject it to real punishment. To understand what exactly they plunged themselves.

Quote: rzzz

3. Everyone who is for power.
4. Everyone who is against the government,

In general, they wrote nonsense. There’s nothing to disassemble here.

Quote: rzzz

5. Who did not serve in the army

My daughter didn’t serve in the army. And my paternal feelings for her are completely different than those that you are hinting at. A work colleague did not serve - father-heroes of four wonderful children. And again, respect for him and all sorts of respect. There are acquaintances who did not serve for any medical challenge or testimony. Real or not, I do not know. Yes, I don’t really know which of my colleagues did not serve. For me it’s like that if he faded dishonestly from service, he didn’t serve, he deprived himself of life experience. Exclusively do not care.

Quote: rzzz

6. Who, by virtue of their professional knowledge, knows more in the subject under discussion, but this knowledge diverges from the generally accepted point of view.

If there are any, then pity them. Because hating for knowledge is stupid. The stupid one always loses.

Quote: rzzz

..... Yes, even dofiga everything. Discussions here often turn into a showdown on personalities. Even a few years ago, this in Internet communication
Citizens, you do not understand chtoli? Hate mob is the easiest way to control the masses.

What irritates us most in others is what we ourselves cannot afford. Googling a fly and a bee. This will be your answer.

[skobars]

It will be useless, others will take a look at them before they shit.

[Narak-zempo]

Ten with confiscation, no less. Plus 5 years of losing rights. As our grandfathers said, "ten to the teeth and five to the horns." And an indefinite ban on holding public office.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

and what else from morons to expect

This is not, as you put it, but criminals and they need to be given real terms, and not "they are children."

[Civil]

So the Unified State Examination generation got out, not sane.

[codetalker]

Do not need all the common paint. We have wonderful young people among the Unified State Examination generation. And most of them. I speak firsthand, I work with them. Here it is specifically about the Navalny sect.

[Rzzz]

Quote: codetalker

Here it is specifically about the Navalny sect.

Why do you not like bulk so much? So what does a movie about crooks shoot?
No, I'm not from the "sect", I'm an outside observer. But I just can't understand where such fierce hatred comes from.

[codetalker]

Bulk I do not cause any emotions. This is a doll that is put on the hands (strained hands) of specialists of some groups in state administration for various manipulations. According to the “dolls” pirouettes, it becomes clear that these groups have anti-state and anti-Russian interests. I would like to clean them out of government. And what fate befell Navalny does not bother me much.

[Captivity]

I liked his films about corruption.

[Rzzz]

Quote: codetalker

This is a doll that is put on the hands (strained hands) of specialists of some groups in public administration

well, what's the big deal. We almost all work in this mode, only we do different work. You are not defending your personal interests in politics right now either. It means - also "doll on hand", and voluntarily and free of charge.

Quote: codetalker

it becomes clear that these groups have anti-state and anti-Russian interests.

Oh. And those about which he shoots videos are just a stronghold of Russian statehood, right? Also that one. Moreover, it has already shown itself in all its glory, but those that are behind Navalny - we still do not know.
I don’t give a damn who pays him money, although it’s clear that this is an inter-clan domestic political struggle. But the informational value of his videos is important. And the fact that it burns up for many, and for those who should not seem to care about the calmness of the heroes of his videos, proves that it is not in vain.

[Tank jacket]

And why doesn’t Navalny shoot about Siluanov, Nabiullina, Chubais, Gref, Shuvalov?

[Rzzz]

There is definitely about Shuvalov, like about a gref, too

[Tank jacket]

Do you think that only Chubais, Nabiullina and Siluanov are included in the forbidden list of the untouchables of Navalny? And I know why. Do you know?

[Keyser soze]

So the Unified State Examination generation got out, not sane.

Excuse me, Civilian, but how is it written in Russian "not sane"? In Bulgarian it is fused.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Keyser Soze

In Bulgarian, it is cohesive.

In Russian, the same thing. I didn’t think what I would say, but I apologize for the illiterate compatriots. (?)

[Keyser soze]

Russian language is the same.

[APASUS]

There is a golden rule: It does not reach through the head, it reaches through the hands! So you need to give the jokers 3 years of chemistry, maybe then the brain will begin to nucleate ............................

[4ekist]

It will be too humane. In full, only in full!

[Sklendarka]

But I would call them to the RF Armed Forces ... where it is cold in the summer in a coat ... "
And the question to the respected public, but what for Madame is such a jacket, a collar rack, gold pagons ???

[4ekist]

Such ub..blues in the army are not needed. And especially in the far north, they have not stayed there for such a long time, they are quickly disposed of.

[Sklendarka]

Quote: 4ekist

Such ub..blues in the army are not needed. And especially in the far north, they have not stayed there for such a long time, they are quickly disposed of.

Let me disagree with you. With simple iron ore, excellent steel is forged, a lot of examples.
... and about the intimate, I have a granddaughter, the sixteenth year is already on.
I look at her peers and .... without comment, but the time will come and she will have to make a choice. I don’t believe that all are miserable, well, I don’t believe everything !!!
Yes, and these guys (as my late warrant officer-kindergarten used to say, though with big ... yoys) are more out of idleness, but not for the sake of Idea.
I think that if all this stupid energy is directed into the right direction with the help of physical force, and somewhere with a personal example, then not everything (or rather all) is lost ...

[Polymer]

Quote: APASUS

It does not reach through the head, it reaches through the hands!

In our unit they said: it does not reach through the head, it will reach through the legs.
Cross and again cross. It is also good for health.
But I don't think this principle will work here. But "work even made a man out of a monkey" - it can work.

[Whispering in the night]

Quote: APASUS

There is a golden rule: It does not reach through the head, it reaches through the hands! So you need to give the jokers 3 years of chemistry, maybe then the brain will begin to nucleate ............................

Not chemistry, but a real fit! Let three years, but in a colony.

[Evdokim]

Quote: Whispering in the night

Not chemistry, but a real fit!

There they really have a place at the bucket. According to their rights, as sexual minorities.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Whispering in the night

but in the colony

The colony needs to be planted with officials posting photos of German soldiers and German tanks on billboards by Victory Day.

[Whispering in the night]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The colony needs to be planted with officials posting photos of German soldiers and German tanks on billboards by Victory Day.

If these officials acted intentionally, then yes, definitely! And if a common mistake is due to a lack of knowledge, then it is enough to dismiss from work.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Whispering in the night

real landing! Let three years, but in the colony

What do you mean, from the fact that he will sit out, dreams will be brighter than dreams? Or will they add a pension? No, they certainly won’t add, because part of the budget will go to the maintenance of the prisoner.

[2 Level Advisor]

I’m not talking about what these stupid guys did, but about evaluating what I read in comments.
Thank God that people of forum who are ready to judge by their own notions "get joked for life, what you joked about" will not sit in the judge's chair, otherwise half of the country would have been jailed or shot for everything.
Why? because they don’t understand what should be proportionality crime / punishment. From the point of view of the article imputed to him: one said that he wanted to acquit Vlasov - fits the article, unless of course he gave such testimony "by chance". The second one said a joke. A joke is not an excuse for Nazism, but a joke.
Also, why was this photo missed? Why are there German tanks / soldiers on the billboards and there are no criminal cases against officials? where is the justice of the "forum judge"?
And indeed, what to argue, here is what the Criminal Code says about their case:
The dissemination of publicly disrespectful information about the days of military glory and memorable dates of Russia related to the defense of the Fatherland, as well as the desecration of symbols of Russian military glory committed in public, shall be punishable by a fine of up to three hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convicted person’s salary or other income for a period of up to two years, either by compulsory labor for a period of up to three hundred and sixty hours, or correctional labor for a period of up to one year.
No landing

[Whispering in the night]

Quote: rzzz

What do you mean, from the fact that he will sit out, dreams will be brighter than dreams? Or will they add a pension? No, they certainly won’t add, because part of the budget will go to the maintenance of the prisoner.

With such perverted logic, it is necessary to release all convicts in general, from maniacs and killers to thieves and scammers.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Whispering in the night

With such perverted logic

No need to invent for me. I did not say this, and one of the other does not follow. This is all your fantasies, caused by some kind of direct spray of hatred.

[Whispering in the night]

Quote: rzzz

No need to invent for me. I did not say this, and one of the other does not follow. This is all your fantasies, caused by some kind of direct spray of hatred.

I just use your logic. If from the planting of these freaks pensions are not added and dreams do not become brighter, then pensions will not be added from the landing of thieves, robbers, killers, and so on. Although, why do you even brought pensions here, it is not clear.
But as for hatred, you are absolutely right, there is hatred for scum, who do not give a damn to the soul of all veterans, living and dead.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Whispering in the night

I just use your logic.

You do not use any logic at all. And again, do not give out your fragmentary thoughts for mine.
Because:

Quote: Whispering in the night

from planting thieves, robbers, killers and so on

... to someone, but it will be better. The stolen will be returned, the killer will be closed for a long time, or forever, and he will not be able to kill. Thieves will not steal, you look and the truth in the budget funds to increase the pension will appear. This makes practical sense.
There is no practical sense in "landing" these guys, but the propaganda effect is huge. Only from the comments to this article you can see how many human individuals simply fight in fits of uncontrollable hatred. tear!!!! Five years!!! Aaaa !!! Ten!!! Siberia!!! Kalyma !!!! And they very deftly play along, throw food.
I will repeat myself. I'm not sure if these dudes even exist at all. I think it's all invented. Some creatives have read 1984 and are now trying to arrange a five-minute hate.

[Kurare]

The young man said that was a stupid joke.

Well, and the prosecutor's office should "joke" for N-years. Let's see how the young man will appreciate this joke.

[Evdokim]

Quote: Kurare

Let's see how the young man appreciates this joke.

There he will receive unforgettable disturbances on the fifth point, and will return from there as a hero to his whole ass.

[Kerensky]

Have you looked at the photo for the article? Colonel speak ?! I did not consider the award planks .. Vlasov was still a general ...

The charge is based on article 354.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, which provides for criminal punishment for the rehabilitation of Nazism.

Yeah .. Have you read the article?

[Nastia makarova]

and where to see the photo for the news?

[Kerensky]

https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2020-07/1594113785_polk2.jpg

[Nastia makarova]

Where is the photo of Colonel Vlasov ????? which they posted to the network

[Kerensky]

Where is the photo of Colonel Vlasov ?????

Nastya! Calm - he was a general ...

[Cowbra]

Quote: Kerensky

Yeah .. Have you read the article?

Read. There it is easy to solder point 2 - and

or forced labor for up to five years, or imprisonment for the same term

And what does the colonel of justice and the demoted general have to do with it (no one at all)

[Kerensky]

what does the colonel of justice have to do with it

Who is in the photo for the news? Right, Colonel.

demoted general (none at all)

Who ordered Andrei Vlasov by what order, and when?

[Cowbra]

by court verdict deprived of all ranks, orders and medals. And again - what does the colonel of justice have to do with it, two fascists and two halfwits? Title - Colonel - with what? Hitler then generally a corporal,

[Kerensky]

by the court verdict deprived of all ranks, orders and medals

Oh cunning! Court or tribunal? When and by whom is it deprived?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Kerensky

Oh cunning! Court or tribunal? When and by whom is it deprived?

Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR, chaired by Colonel-General of Justice Ulrich V.V.
The sentence has long been in the public domain, it is easy to find.

[Kerensky]

The sentence has long been in the public domain, it is easy to find.

Shovels! Do not dissemble! The first part of the question was WHEN?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Kerensky

The first part of the question was WHEN?

They write that "of August 1, 1946," but there was also a verdict in absentia of February 24, 1943

[NEXUS]

Quote: Kerensky

Oh cunning! Court or tribunal? When and by whom is it deprived?

In 1945 he was detained, in 1946 convicted of high treason, deprived of the military rank and state awards of the USSR, executed by hanging.

From July 30 to July 31, 1946, a closed trial was held in the case of Vlasov and a group of his followers. All were convicted of high treason. By the verdict of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR, they were deprived of military ranks and hanged on August 1, 1946, and their property was confiscated. The bodies of the executed were cremated in the Don crematorium, the ashes were poured into one of the graves of the unclaimed ashes of the Don cemetery, where during the years of Soviet rule the ashes of the “enemies of the people” shot in Moscow were dumped.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I am deprived. Enough?

[Kerensky]

And again - what does the colonel of justice have to do with it, two fascists and two halfwits? Title - Colonel - with what?

Who inserted the photo for the article? I AM? No, author or moderator. So I want an answer to our joint question ....

[Nastia makarova]

where does the colonel in the photo and Vlasov ????

[Sergey Averchenkov]

No, I haven’t read, what's next? Will you jump? I rarely speak to you, but you have achieved it.

[Pereira]

They were not allowed to sleep with Kolya’s laurels from Urengoy. I wanted to equal and surpass.
Well, surpassed. Enjoy it.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Pereira

They were not allowed to sleep with Kolya’s laurels from Urengoy. I wanted to equal and surpass.
Well, surpassed. Enjoy it.

Kolya from Urengoy otmazatsya in his infancy and papule with his mother. They will not brush off.

[Poetry]

For several years, there, where there is midges and fierce faces. To think calmly.

[Kerensky]

To think calmly.

Sergei
And let's think together?
Hitler and Vlasov promoted Nazism? AND! National Socialism propaganda Aloizych .. So it is not Nazism. Andrey Vlasov led his army into the swamp? AND! Kirill Afanasevich Meretskov did not want to say anything ?!

[Observer2014]

Vlasov led his army into the swamp?

Speaking of Vlasov. Here is his symbolism.

Doesn’t resemble anything? Discuss. There is something to talk about.
So to raise the degree of discussion. My grandfather. Without hesitation, would have planted a 152 mm howitzer shell, just appear before him in those years, anyone in modern military uniform of modern Russia.

[Kerensky]

There is something to talk about

I heard something about Colonel Bunyachenko ... No, not that?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Observer2014

Speaking of Vlasov. Here is his symbolism.

Are you sure?

[Observer2014]

Are you sure?

Lopatov. But if I'm wrong or it seems to you that I'm not sure. Type "General Vlasov's symbolism" into Yandex. Look. And you will get an answer to your question, am I sure or not.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Observer2014

But if I'm wrong

Exactly.
The Germans did not allow the Vlasovites to make the tricolor their symbol, to which there is much evidence.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Observer2014

But if I'm wrong

Exactly.
The Germans did not allow the Vlasovites to make the tricolor their symbol, to which there is much evidence.

Which ones? Do I need to upload photos? Or is it all fakes. For decades, they've been preparing a provocation for something?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Observer2014

What do I need to upload photos?

The same fake that I posted?

Quote: Observer2014

What kind?

"Rosenberg studied the flag with interest. The Romanov flag with an eagle and white-blue-red colors were, of course, rejected by him. On the contrary, Rosenberg liked the blue St. Andrew’s cross on a white background, conceived as a small shield on a red banner ..."(c) Shtrik-Shtrickfeldt

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Spade

On the contrary, Rosenberg liked the blue St. Andrew’s cross on a white background, conceived as a small shield on a red banner

I hope the shield was sewn? To, in which case, quickly change shoes.

[Hlavaty]

Quote: Observer2014

My grandfather. Without hesitation, would have planted a 152 mm howitzer shell, if only anyone in modern Russian military uniform had appeared in front of him in those years.

I can imagine how he would be "happy" with the inscription "Police"!

[rruvim]

Well this is ... The symbolism of our State now.

[Poetry]

I do not know what ideas Vlasov gravitated to. All I know about him is that he is a traitor.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

It will be bad for them in the zone.

[snake]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

It will be bad for them in the zone.

Yes, and you in the zone, I think, would not be a resort ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Do not poke me.

[Skarpzd]

do not flatter yourself about the zone. there are enough scum of all stripes. Do you sincerely think that these two moral freaks will "educate" moral prisoners for theft, rape, drug dealers ??? well, those "patriots" and "educators". the administration will say "face" - the final will bend, but in this particular case - I doubt it. will not get on the rampage, since for sure these two (censorship) will be taken care of by all human rights activists from their own will. administration problems are not needed for nothing. so they will serve a minimum of quietly (this is even if the real term is given) and dumped on parole.

[flicker]

It would not hurt to identify Internet collaborators, modern Vlasovites.

[Kerensky]

It would not hurt to identify Internet collaborators, modern Vlasovites.

Let's get started together. First you need to classify.

[flicker]

First you need to classify.

First you need to calm down, drink some water ... you can with Corvalol.
And then start classifying ... if you can.
---
Z.Y. Generals are not born.

[Good forester]

And what punishment they will receive. Or, as usual, they’re chucking a finger, these nonhumans will cry out of their snot, they say we’ll forgive us uncles and aunts we will no longer. And with them water is like a goose.

[parusnik]

The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation completed the investigation of criminal cases against 19-year-old Permian Daniil Simanov and 23-year-old young man from Ulyanovsk Vyacheslav Kruglov.

.... Modern young people who grew up on modern history textbooks, the money for which Soros allocated ... Yes, and the history program does not change much ... They will be punished, severely punished, and rightly so, but these are products ... Will they be punished manufacturers ...

[Kerensky]

[quote] The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation criminal investigation completed [/ Quote]
But for me it’s not completed! Who is on the photo? What are the rewards?

[Nastia makarova]

in the photo the prosecutor

[Galleon]

For some reason, I believe that these fools can be fixed. And if you can - you should teach. So as not to become hardened and not to get worse, but to understand the reason for our harsh attitude towards them. They understood and were ashamed of themselves. Let it be naive, but without faith in youth, life loses its color even more.

[Avior]

The mind wasn’t enough to go through the TOP or VPN.
Something I did not hear that those who German tanks planted on greeting posters planted

[Fan]

Quote: Avior

The mind wasn’t enough to go through the TOP or VPN.

Well, as far as I know, it’s not a problem for special services to calculate IP. Another thing is if this bastard is sitting abroad ..

[Avior]

If through anonymizer, the problem.
Only if you are personally suspected of a crime and you are a resident of Russia, there is a chance through the provider.
And if personally you are not under suspicion, then the chance is zero
There are other anonymous options, such as access via the mobile Internet with an anonymous card with certain conditions.
They acted very stupidly and primitively.

[Fan]

Quote: Avior

If through anonymizer, the problem.
Only if you are personally suspected of a crime and you are a resident of Russia, there is a chance through the provider.
And if personally you are not under suspicion, then the chance is zero
There are other anonymous options, such as access via the mobile Internet with an anonymous card with certain conditions.
They acted very stupidly and primitively.

Yes, I know this and do not need to be trained here ..Main important, even though these were calculated and there are also about a dozen
Need to punish and exponentially tough! Otherwise, these posters and other insults, like a snowball will tumble ..

[Avior]

I read that in fact there were many similar attempts
https://m.az.sputniknews.ru/russia/20200512/423912648/Organizatory-Bessmertnogo-polka-onlayn-rasskazali-o-popytkakh-omrachit-prazdnik-Pobedy.html?mobile_return=no
Only two were actually caught

[Fan]

Quote: Avior

I read that in fact there were many similar attempts

Many especially from the Outskirts and the Baltic States .. They were more strictly monitored and checked ..
But the "jokers" were allowed in from Russia ..

Quote: Avior

Only two were actually caught

There, there are ten of them, their skippers are rolled up .. These adults themselves are possibly the coordinators .. They would push their paddock and deal with the end and drool bloody on the video with an apology .. in social networks ..

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Avior

The mind wasn’t enough to go through the TOP or VPN.

What about us? ©
They just got used to the network of impunity and, the PMSM, hoped that if they got caught, another hype would rise and they would be kicked off - "How can you be imprisoned for speaking online? What is this "1984"? And when will they be imprisoned for thought crimes?" etc.
Not a ride.

[evgen1221]

And as always, a bunch and a belaz trailer of style comments - rot, shoot, burn (choose the one you like). And no one wants to think that these fools are part of our society and our program of education, upbringing, propaganda on TV, movies and in general our current thinking? Pluralism (double-blindness on one reinforced concrete fact) are we some serious adults, even uncles and aunts, bred to their personal every minute benefit? There isn’t such a thing, and if you take a closer look? Goldfinches for huskies and PR among their peers were chasing, yes, youth, nonsense, harmonies, but what they do and what they will do, we form entirely the older generation, and if we walk on our ears they are on these ears learn to jump already. Think about it before writing comments in the style-term, zindan shooting.

[Fan]

While we will not severely punish such a desecration of memory .. So it will continue. The bulk should be attracted for insulting a veteran, but it seems to be hushed up ..

[steelmaker]

WWII is sacred to us. And for all to understand this, the punishment must be like treason.

[Fan]

Quote: steel maker

WWII is sacred to us. And for all to understand this, the punishment must be like treason.

I agree, but there are forces that oppose this and in every way turn it out .. like joking, etc. And this is not a joke!

[rruvim]

Let's! Plant! Not Vasiliev ... Nothing was stolen from the State, the remaining veterans were not robbed. And that Vlasov is a hero! Stalin himself spoke.

[rruvim]

Generally! All our media, against the background of the 75th anniversary, reach the point of psychopathy. The deputies echo the Brigadier. The prosecutor's office and the Investigative Committee are looking for "scribes of history", they beat the "fascists" in the street. General psychosis !!!

[rruvim]

And just to understand the causes and consequences of World War II! Not in any way !!! Enemy and traitor to the Motherland. I once participated in the publication of the diaries of Galeazzo Ciano called "Diary of a Fascist", so I was dragged by the Office for interrogations. Arguments that he had been shot by Duce as a traitor to the fascist idea did not get it ... They let him go like a holy fool ...

[Roman_vh]

Or maybe their diagnosis is correct?

[Cympak]

The Investigative Committee has nothing else to do, how to investigate these "super cases"?

[Fan]

Quote: Cympak

The Investigative Committee has nothing else to do, how to investigate these "super cases"?

It is with such boys of joker-cynics that the collapse and substitution of values ​​begins ..

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Cympak

The Investigative Committee has nothing else to do, how to investigate these "super cases"?

To paraphrase an old joke, Overton's windows must be beaten while they are still vents.
Otherwise, one fine night there is every chance to wake up from the torch and the ringing of broken windows.

[kit88]

These guys do not know that those who still heard first-hand in childhood that a swastika cannot be drawn are still alive, and they learned first-hand how they deal with the accomplices of Hitlerism - a stone on the neck and in the water ...

[MBRSS]

And why is Soloviev not soldered for Mussolini?

[Brave tailor]

Good afternoon colleagues. Regarding this story, my opinion is unambiguous. Guilty. They are adults, thinking. 100% one of the relatives fought, and maybe died. And with their actions they fell in memory of the dead. Therefore, they are ready to bear the punishment. I would send them to some search squad near Rzhev or to the Leningad region. Well, let them understand (as a colleague said) through their hands and brain an understanding of the whole tragedy of the Great Patriotic War. And so the whole term without the right to parole.

[zwlad]

It is necessary to plant such "jokers" so that they can get a little brains in the zone, and also so that others will not be disdainful of the memory of our grandfathers to mock. And it is imperative to cover this event widely in the press.

[Roman123567]

Some stupid public relations about nothing from scratch ..

[Whispering in the night]

Quote: rzzz

The stolen will be returned, the killer will be closed for a long time, or forever, and he will not be able to kill ...
There is no practical sense in "landing" these dudes

A planted killer will not be able to kill, and these planted scum ("dudes" in your jargon) will not be able to incite hatred and insult people, including veterans of the Great Patriotic War. That's the whole practical point.

Only the comments on this article show how many human beings simply fight in fits of uncontrollable hatred. break!!!! Five years!!! Ahhh !!! Ten!!! Siberia!!! Kalyma !!!!

Yes, the hatred of such cattle among most people, and this cannot but rejoice. This means that most people are normal, nevertheless, and treat scum just as the scum deserved it!

I repeat. I'm not at all sure that these dudes even exist. I think it's all invented.

There are real names and places of residence of these cattle, there are videos where they are recognized in the deed. But you, of course, can not believe your right. Thank God that the vast majority of Russians are not like you!