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Member of the Carnegie Center: Putin was a member of the Communist Party, but was never a communist

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Putin's two main priorities are Russia's sovereignty and security. In addition, he was impressed by Stalin, not Lenin.


This opinion was expressed by the head of the program "Russian Domestic Politics and Political Institutions" of the Carnegie Moscow Center Andrei Kolesnikov in an interview with the radio station Echo of Moscow.

The expert believes that Putin was never a communist. And even when the future president of the Russian Federation was a member of the CPSU, he carefully concealed his views. According to Kolesnikov, he could more likely be considered a Russian nationalist or imperialist, but his worldview was not communist.

Putin believes that the right of nations to self-determination in the USSR, which appeared in the Soviet Constitution at the behest of Lenin, turned out to be a time bomb that exploded several decades later and ruined the country.

According to Putin, although Lenin was the creator of the Soviet state, Stalin nevertheless became the ruler who made him a powerful power. That is why, according to Kolesnikov, the Russian president is sympathetic to Stalin, but not to Lenin.

In addition, it is important for Putin that Stalin did not tarnish himself with direct contact with Adolf Hitler.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 7 July 2020 11: 11
    -14 qualifying.
    Putin's two main priorities are Russia's sovereignty and security.

    Great priorities!

    Some consider him a communist, others do not, but the main thing is that he is a patriot of Russia.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 7 July 2020 11: 14
      32
      Member of the Carnegie Center: Putin was a member of the Communist Party, but was never a communist

      About a certain category of people, a familiar party organizer, a Great Patriotic War participant said - "Members yes but not party members No. "

      And with these he actively fought ...
      1. yuliatreb
        yuliatreb 7 July 2020 11: 26
        20
        As a member, it will remain him, is it not a paradox.
        In addition, he was impressed by Stalin, not Lenin.
        . It turns out that Lenin is a party member, and Stalin is a member of the party, an incomparable conclusion. or I misunderstood you. Stalin always considered himself a follower and student of Lenin. And Putin to Stalin, like Xi Jinping to Lenin.
        1. businessv
          businessv 7 July 2020 11: 35
          23
          Quote: yuliatreb
          Stalin always considered himself a follower and student of Lenin.
          And he was the only one who could reasonably explain why he did not agree with this or that opinion of Lenin. Therefore, it is difficult to call him a student - rather, a comrade-in-arms, out of modesty and political correctness, calling himself a student.
          1. yuliatreb
            yuliatreb 7 July 2020 21: 02
            +1
            You just continued my thought, which I strongly agree
        2. sleeve
          sleeve 7 July 2020 13: 10
          -9
          Well ... of course you know better to whom to whom and how much.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 7 July 2020 17: 29
            +4
            Quote: sleeve
            Well ... of course you know better to whom to whom and how much

            Do you want to compare Comrade. Stalin and the dog-bearer of a dog? Well, well ...
          2. yuliatreb
            yuliatreb 7 July 2020 21: 27
            0
            And a flag in my hands
        3. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 8 July 2020 08: 31
          +2
          Quote: yuliatreb
          It turns out that Lenin is a party member, and Stalin is a member of the party, an incomparable conclusion. or I misunderstood you. Stalin always considered himself a follower and student of Lenin. And Putin to Stalin, like Xi Jinping to Lenin.

          Putin is impressed by Stalin, it is necessary.
          And nothing that Stalin was first of all a communist, and already in the second place - a tough leader, a statesman (by necessity) and an "effective manager". Therefore, our information policy in relation to him is twofold - it is defaming him as a communist for tyranny and repression and at the same time inflating the image of a "red monarch", "sovereign", "emperor of the USSR", which is very beneficial for the builders of the current vertical.
      2. Tatyana
        Tatyana 7 July 2020 11: 27
        14
        Quote: Insurgent
        About a certain category of people, a familiar party organizer, a Great Patriotic War participant said - "Members, but not party members" And he actively fought with such people ...

        All right said your friend party organizer!

        Unfortunately, during the Second World War, among the party members on the fronts, it was precisely a lot of convinced and theoretically savvy communists who died. And it was a very big personnel loss for the party.
        After the Second World War, in the party, in connection with the restoration of its multiplicity, it turned out to be a lot of new ones, including careerists who joined the party.
        In particular, it is enough to remember about joining the party for careerist reasons after their release from prison of the same Bandera supporters, who allegedly "reformed" in their convictions.
        1. Unknown
          Unknown 7 July 2020 13: 26
          +8
          Bandera’s party was not accepted at least, he would be reforged a thousand times, he’s always been ordered to join the party. Unless, of course, they were not in an illegal situation. and so convicted, in something, implicated, nothing shone. there was a check, all the same, the questionnaires will be filled out more than once, and then they will be checked and checked. but a relative, even a close one, could get in, it was worth repenting for loved ones, or even renouncing her father, mother, grandfather and grandmother, and get a party card. and what’s in his soul, who knows what he harbors a grudge against, and what his beliefs are, you won’t understand until you strike. Svanidze than not an example. he renounced everyone in the party, at the age of 18 he entered how far the young man went. as the 91-year, immediately changed the color, so he said, Gleb Zhiglov. and our eternal ruler, like, carefully concealed his views, not for nothing worked in the KGB, an organization which should protect the Communist Party and the USSR. and then we are surprised how the union fell apart, but because many, like this, carefully concealed their views ...
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 7 July 2020 13: 50
            +7
            Quote: Unknown
            Bandera’s party was not accepted at least, he would be reforged a thousand times, he’s always been ordered to join the party. Unless, of course, they were not in an illegal situation. and so convicted, in something, implicated, nothing shone.
            An example is Kravchuk, the ex-president of Ukraine.
            There is one topic that the first president of Ukraine Kravchuk prefers not to develop. “Only once” he touched on it, shortly after the August counter-coup, when in the parliamentary hall it was a question of the “liberation mission” of the OUN-UPA. He let slip that he himself in childhood carried grocery transfers to Bandera militants in the forest.
            If the matter was limited only to transfers ...

            This is what Yu.V. Taraskin says in his memoirs, “War after the war. Memoirs of the counterintelligence "and A.S. Tereshchenko" Purgatory SMERSH. Stalin's “wolfhounds,” about that dramatic period in the history of Soviet Ukraine. Namely.

            After the death of Stalin, according to Taraskin, as a result of the amnesty conducted by Khrushchev, all active members of the OUN-UPA, who returned to their homeland, were released. In 1950-1960, there was a quiet recovery of OUN. They began with the nomination of their people to party and economic posts, there were cases of admission of the OUN ideas to the Komsomol with further career growth (a striking example is Leonid Kravchuk). And those who interfered with them were either intimidated, blackmailing the lives of loved ones, or, under the guise of an accident or a domestic quarrel, were killed.

            Taraskin, as a person who knew the whole Bandera elite well, notes its total corruption, thirst for money. And this is at all levels - from top to bottom. There were no idealists, just everyone wanted to grab more material wealth.
            See details - "Kravchuk remembered his Bandera childhood ..." -
            https://www.politnavigator.net/vspomnilos-kravchuku-ego-banderovskoe-detstvo.htm

            It must be assumed that a similar situation was not only in Ukraine after the amnesty of the USSR traitors by Khrushchev.
            1. Unknown
              Unknown 7 July 2020 14: 08
              0
              of which I spoke, Kravchuk, too, carefully concealed his views and his actions.
          2. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 7 July 2020 21: 27
            +1
            Quote: Unknown
            and then we are surprised how the union fell apart, but because many, like this, carefully concealed their views ...

            You are just like a child! In your opinion, the USSR collapsed because someone in the soul of "Lenin" did not love and worship him as a god, as demanded by the Soviet state religion? Yes, there were traitors everywhere, including in the special services, but on the other hand, a decent, honest and outspoken person would never make a career for himself even the smallest boss in our rotten society! But do not mold Lenin there! This is ridiculous! "Stalin" and Putin are historical figures, of course, of incomparable proportions, but for modern Russia and Ukraine they have something in common: the requirement to enter the camp of either their worship or demonization. And when you refuse to do both, showing some signs of intelligence, then you become an enemy for these states, which are essentially the same with common rulers, but with different propaganda and legends for the "masses".
            1. Unknown
              Unknown 8 July 2020 07: 27
              0
              an honest decent man, always remains honest and decent, and first of all, in front of himself. in the USSR for your information, they did not worship Lenin, as God, and did not demand this. one must live and work in union before carrying nonsense. but, as you said in your rotten society, which was created after the collapse of the union, to be at least decent is difficult. you justify this, any actions committed by the current government, motivating, of course, I’m honest, but it happened like that. but ask such an honest and decent, why did you join the party, why didn’t you speak, I’m here, and here I don’t agree. No, I didn’t say, but, ,, carefully concealed his views ,,. I am 56 years old and have seen in my life, and honest party members, and non-partisan scum. If you don’t agree with the party, don’t join. and non-partisans made a career, if the person is smart, and there are enough examples. and so it turns out one, he wore groceries in the woods, but at the same time he was in the highest echelons of power, the other, like Yakovlev, fought all his life with the USSR, but at the same time he did not spread his views, another, Gorbachev, never He believed in Soviet ideology, but he nevertheless was at the very top of power, and led the country to complete collapse, because he also hid his views, but all together, ruined the country. Enter this list, who hid his views can be continued, there will be many famous people. which word suits them best?
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 7 July 2020 17: 20
          +6
          Quote: Tatiana
          Unfortunately, during the Second World War, among the party members on the fronts, it was precisely a lot of convinced and theoretically savvy communists who died.

          Colleague, I completely agree with you, it was the war that claimed the lives of generations of future Builders of Communism and a huge number of old ideological Bolsheviks.
          1. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 8 July 2020 08: 46
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            Colleague, I completely agree with you, it was the war that claimed the lives of generations of future Builders of Communism and a huge number of old ideological Bolsheviks.

            War is generally a negative selection machine. The best perish first.
            I watch the German chronicle of the war and am amazed - all these cheerful young guys came here to kill and were eventually killed themselves. I am sure victory in Germany in the revolution of 1918, with such people we would have mastered the entire solar system for a long time.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 July 2020 11: 35
        +7
        Quote: Insurgent
        About a certain category of people, a familiar party organizer, a Great Patriotic War participant said - "Members, but not party members"

        There was also a category of people "Non-Party Communist"
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 7 July 2020 12: 50
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          There was also a category of people "Non-Party Communist"

          Such, in the early period of the formation of Soviet power, were called - "sympathizing"...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 July 2020 11: 22
      +5
      Quote: Olgovich
      Some consider him a communist, others do not, but the main thing is that he is a patriot of Russia.

      This was better written in verse.

      “You may not be a poet,
      But a citizen must be.
      And what is a citizen?
      Fatherland worthy son.
      Oh! will be with us merchants, cadets,
      Petty bourgeois, officials, nobles,
      Even poets are enough for us,
      But we need, we need citizens! ”
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 7 July 2020 11: 24
      20
      but the main thing is that he is a patriot of Russia.
      He is a patriot of the gang that impudently grabbed the right slogan.
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 7 July 2020 13: 12
        -2
        Yes ... Come on, voice the slogan or something. The gang would be the same, but it's superfluous. It is different for each "shaikologist".
    4. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 7 July 2020 11: 24
      11
      Quote: Olgovich
      the main thing is that he is a patriot of Russia.

      On the shores of foggy Albion. bully
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 7 July 2020 20: 59
        -2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        On the shores of foggy Albion.

        belay Speak Russian please request
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 7 July 2020 22: 46
          0
          Quote: Olgovich
          In Russian,

          So I write in Russian. Putin and Co. they are building their own separate Russia where I said above. hi
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 8 July 2020 05: 07
            -3
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            So I write in Russian.


            Not poussky
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Putin and Co. building their own separate Russia where I said above

            belay lol
    5. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 7 July 2020 11: 26
      14
      Just the great and mighty were ruined by non-communists and non-state workers in the highest echelons of the party and state both in Moscow itself and in the capitals of the republic. The petty-bourgeois element swept the leadership of the party and the state (about which Lenin repeatedly wrote)
      And for the sake of the good, and with the support of the West, they had previously been introduced or were introduced into the structures of the party and the state, including at its highest echelons, carried out a creeping counter-revolution against the Soviet government. They changed the form of ownership of the basic means of production and began to be called instead of a comrade - mister. wink According to Fursov, the succession of the former party and state elite in capitalism in Russia was 80% in the highest echelon of the party and state. 70% in regional links ...
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 7 July 2020 11: 35
        21
        Quote: To be or not to be
        According to Fursov, the succession of the former party and state elite in capitalism in Russia was 80% in the highest echelon of the party and state. 70% in regional links ...
        These are renegades, the fact that such a thing has become possible largely explains the death of the USSR. A real communist cannot be a “former”, only one who joined the party not for an immortal idea, but for selfish reasons will be a former. Below are two photos, one of a communist and the other of a party member.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 7 July 2020 11: 50
          +7
          Quote: Per se.
          A real communist cannot be a "former"

          And Putin did not throw out his party card .... "Lying somewhere" ....
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 7 July 2020 12: 04
            +3
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            And Putin did not throw out his party card .... "Lying somewhere" ....

            laughing laughing laughing wink
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 7 July 2020 12: 06
              +5
              From his words ..... recourse
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 7 July 2020 12: 09
                +5
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                From his words .....

                No, I don't mean that I don't think it's not true, but that "lying around, just in case" repeat But what if fellow ? laughing
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 7 July 2020 12: 18
                  +3
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  But what if

                  I went and registered at the last place of work ....
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 7 July 2020 12: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: Uncle Lee
                    I went and registered at the last place of work ....

                    And contributions, party, kindly pay yes For all the decades yes
                    1. Uncle lee
                      Uncle lee 7 July 2020 12: 21
                      +2
                      Quote: Insurgent
                      For all the decades

                      Or maybe .... Zero? repeat
                    2. AUL
                      AUL 7 July 2020 13: 59
                      +2
                      Quote: Insurgent
                      And contributions, party, be kind, pay for all the decades

                      He would be happy to pay, but the trouble is that he does not know what his salary is! wink
                      1. Svarog
                        Svarog 7 July 2020 19: 27
                        0
                        Quote: AUL
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        And contributions, party, be kind, pay for all the decades

                        He would be happy to pay, but the trouble is that he does not know what his salary is! wink

                        Let him ask Raldugin .. he knows for sure laughing
                2. Roman123567
                  Roman123567 7 July 2020 12: 27
                  +2
                  It would be funny if it were not so sad ..
                  And such people rule us ..
        2. snucerist
          snucerist 7 July 2020 13: 17
          +5
          And who will explain what kind of party it is that in its ranks there are 70-80% of renegades, traitors, traitors, and renegades?
          And what kind of party is it that it was ruined and destroyed exclusively by members of this same party and natives of it?
          Maybe this was not a party at all? And what about some other political entity? Generally fiction? Phantom?
          1. AUL
            AUL 7 July 2020 14: 01
            +5
            Quote: snucerist
            Maybe this was not a party at all? And what about some other political entity?

            After Stalin, it was a feeder for careerists. Like now edro.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 7 July 2020 21: 11
              -3
              Quote: AUL
              After Stalin, it was a feeder for careerists.

              Those. since March 5, 1953, the party abruptly became .... a feeding trough ?! belay

              And .... where did you go to overnight true true communists? belay

              And yes, what are these communists whom playfully bent despicable, slaughtered already cowardly ... Trotskyists? request
              1. Alex Justice
                Alex Justice 8 July 2020 17: 22
                0
                Well-fed Zhdanov did not lose a single kilogram during the blockade.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 7 July 2020 18: 52
            +1
            Quote: snucerist
            And who will explain what kind of party this is

            I have asked this more than once, but I have not received an answer.
    6. Vend
      Vend 7 July 2020 11: 30
      -1
      Andrei Kolesnikov, program manager for Russian Domestic Politics and Political Institutions at the Carnegie Moscow Center, in an interview with Ekho Moskvy radio station.
      That says it all laughing did not read further laughing
    7. Gardamir
      Gardamir 7 July 2020 11: 51
      +7
      Is a person who dreams about the importation of foreigners can be a patriot?
      1. Tuzik
        Tuzik 7 July 2020 12: 03
        +2
        For example, Donetsk was founded by an Englishman who launched production there.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 7 July 2020 12: 07
          +7
          Quote: Tuzik
          For example, Donetsk was founded by an Englishman who launched production there.

          John Hughes (Hughes) was a Welshman repeat wink , and the example is somehow off topic ...
          1. Tuzik
            Tuzik 7 July 2020 12: 11
            0
            One hell from the island of that))
            I just do not see a problem for a country if foreigners invest in it. In which case, you can take everything into the revolution. )))
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 7 July 2020 12: 16
              +5
              Quote: Tuzik
              I just do not see a problem for a country if foreigners invest in it.

              Similarly, I am also not against a win-win investment, but a commentator Gardamir, did not mean the movement of investments (financial and material resources), but "human material"in the light of the latest statements from the GDP ...
              Quote: Gardamir
              Is a person who dreams about the importation of foreigners can be a patriot?
              1. Tuzik
                Tuzik 7 July 2020 12: 20
                +5
                I probably missed it, he blurted out somewhere that the Chinese should be brought in to increase the population?
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 7 July 2020 12: 23
                  +4
                  Quote: Tuzik
                  I probably missed it, he blurted out somewhere that the Chinese should be brought in to increase the population?


                  MOSCOW, July 3 - RIA News. Russia needs an influx of new citizens that the country needs, it must be young, educated, healthy people, said President Vladimir Putin.

                  “Russia is interested in the inflow of migrants, but it is interested in the inflow of those who need the country. I’m not talking about the veterans who have earned their entire lives, but in general, if we talk about the prospects, these should be young, educated, healthy people, who are ready to either get an education and join the labor market, or directly start a certain job, having a known level of the qualifications we need and the corresponding profession. In some countries, such work is put on a very high, solid, almost scientific level. And we need to do this ", - said Putin during a meeting with a working group on the preparation of amendments to the constitution.
                  In his opinion, if we are talking about native speakers of the Russian language and culture, then in Russia "they are thrice interested in the influx of just such people who feel themselves Russians in the broad sense of the word."
                  1. Tuzik
                    Tuzik 7 July 2020 12: 27
                    +2
                    Thanks, thanks. But here he is clearly hinting at fans from nearby countries.
            2. Roman123567
              Roman123567 7 July 2020 12: 29
              +2
              I don’t see a problem for the country if foreigners invest in it
              So in our case it’s rather the opposite .. Money is exported from the country (see capital outflow) ..
              Well, those Uzbeks / Chechens / Dagestanis who come to us also don’t bring money to Russia at all ..
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 7 July 2020 13: 03
                +3
                Quote: Roman123567
                Money is exported from the country (see capital outflow) ..
                Well, those Uzbeks/Chechens/Dagestanisthat they come to us - money is also not imported to Russia at all ..

                And the Chechen Republic, and the Republic of Dagestan, you personally deprived of the status of Russian territories?
                1. Roman123567
                  Roman123567 7 July 2020 13: 09
                  0
                  Yes, for me personally, that Uzbek, that Chechen are strangers to us ..
                  The same Ukrainians / Belarusians, unquestionably, much dearer .. but the territory there, by the will of fate, turned out to be different .. So it's not about the territories ..
                  Well, it was about money ..
              2. Serg65
                Serg65 7 July 2020 13: 14
                +4
                Quote: Roman123567
                Uzbeks / Chechens / Dagestanis

                what Chechens and Dagestanis are now foreigners ????
            3. AUL
              AUL 7 July 2020 14: 05
              +3
              Quote: Tuzik
              I just do not see a problem for a country if foreigners invest in it.

              There is no problem. The problem is that our homegrown nouveau riche is pumping money out of the country over the hill. With the full connivance of the authorities.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 12: 29
        -1
        If locals refuse to work on "black" jobs, they have to import gastritis. With us, wherever you spit, you will end up in the owner of a higher education diploma.
      3. Serg65
        Serg65 7 July 2020 12: 43
        -3
        Quote: Gardamir
        Is a person who dreams about the importation of foreigners can be a patriot?

        Well, you have already agreed to the point that Stalin was a false patriot!
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 7 July 2020 20: 24
          0
          here you go
          Why did you blurt out? I don’t like when people mow under fools. The insurgent above explained everything correctly, which I meant.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 8 July 2020 11: 53
            -1
            Quote: Gardamir
            Why did you blurt out?

            I, my dear man, did not blurt out, you with all your communist unconsciousness farted into a puddle!
            Again..
            Quote: Gardamir
            Is a person who dreams about the importation of foreigners can be a patriot?

            Now bother reading about Stalin's industrialization and specifically about foreign workers, engineers and investors!
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 8 July 2020 11: 59
              -1
              Are you a troll? Or just mow the fool? I’m talking about Putin, who suddenly had a need for migrants.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 8 July 2020 13: 36
                -1
                Quote: Gardamir
                Are you a troll?

                No, just ..
                Quote: Gardamir
                I don’t like when people mow under fools

                Putin importing foreigners to work is not a patriot!
                Stalin importing foreigners to work as a patriot!
                And which of us is Troll?
                At the same time, you will never agree to work as a janitor and a handyman, even if the salary is decent!
      4. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 14: 09
        -2
        Under Brezhnev, Vietnamese were imported in large quantities for work in industry and North Koreans for work in agriculture. Is Brezhnev a Patriot?
      5. Svarog
        Svarog 7 July 2020 19: 32
        -1
        Quote: Gardamir
        Is a person who dreams about the importation of foreigners can be a patriot?

        It doesn’t specify who he is a patriot of .. his position is ours and yours .. half-dimensional .. when he needs to, Stalin remembers, but he can also blurt out that in the USSR they only made galoshes .... I think he’s the right kid but for his brigade .. or co-op ..
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 7 July 2020 21: 05
          0
          Quote: Svarog
          but it can also blurt out that in the USSR only galoshes were made

          In fact, he said something else.
          ... all that we produced was nobody needed. Because no one bought our galoshes, except for an African who needed to walk on the hot sand
          That is, about galoshes this figurative expression. And, alas, by the end of its existence, the USSR was far from a leader in high technology. Space and the defense industry still held the brand, but the rest needed serious modernization.
      6. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 8 July 2020 17: 23
        0
        Is a person who dreams about the importation of foreigners can be a patriot?

        History shows that foreigners have done a lot for Russia. Thanks to them for Peter.
    8. Roman123567
      Roman123567 7 July 2020 12: 24
      +4
      A member of the Communist Party, but not a communist .. here he gives up betrayal rather than patriotism ..
    9. Yura
      Yura 7 July 2020 15: 25
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      Great priorities!

      At the moment, Z2 people do not agree with you
      Putin's two main priorities are Russia's sovereignty and security
      For them, the sovereignty and security of Russia is like a "sickle in the balls", for some only because we are talking about Putin, for others it is nonsense in any case - the employer does not allow it, although judging by some commentators, they do it heartily, volunteers.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 7 July 2020 11: 12
    13
    Come on. If he was sympathetic to Stalin, he would never have said about the "USSR and galoshes"
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 12: 31
      -7
      After Stalin, or rather, from the late 60s, the USSR began to degrade. By the end of the 80s, we could not surprise the world with anything. Putin is right - galoshes.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 7 July 2020 19: 35
        -2
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Putin is right - galoshes.

        Do you even have something wrong Putin is wrong ..?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 20: 54
          +4
          Why - it happens. But in this case, Putin is right: if in the 60s we stepped on the heels of the leading countries, and in some industries they were ahead of them, then by the mid-80s they had already been so solidly behind. God bless him, with consumer goods, but we lagged behind in key sectors of engineering. How many promising developments were put under the cloth for the sake of His Majesty the rampart? The quality of products is lower than the plinth from the same opera.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 7 July 2020 21: 20
            0
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Why - it happens.

            What do you disagree with Putin? For the sake of curiosity, do not tell? laughing
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 21: 28
              +1
              At the moment - taxation. In a crisis, taxes are reduced in order to revive business activity.
  3. apro
    apro 7 July 2020 11: 12
    +2
    The expert believes that Putin was never a communist

    He was a member. parties ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 7 July 2020 11: 27
      +6
      Judging by the fact that he was carrying Sobchakov's suitcases, he was not a member either. laughing
    2. Nasrat
      Nasrat 7 July 2020 11: 28
      +7
      Quote: apro
      The expert believes that Putin was never a communist

      He was a member. parties ...

      To get to the KGB, you had to be listed as a party ... And if only in the KGB! At all significant and not very government posts - it was necessary to become a member ... Yes, why there, I remember how I was persuaded to become a member of the Komsomol !!! And then they say, your chances of entering the institute are greatly reduced ... (The Komsomol school itself fell down in the USA at the first opportunity ... wassat ) And here in the KGB !!! Actually, all this destroyed the CPSU, and after it the USSR ...
      1. tatra
        tatra 7 July 2020 11: 50
        0
        Well, yes, again the Communists are to blame, not the enemies of the Communists, who pretend to be anyone for the sake of profit, and then betray those who believed them.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 7 July 2020 12: 05
          +3
          Quote: tatra
          Well yes, again the communists are to blame.

          No, it’s my fault ... I, non-partisan — I accepted and placed everyone in the party of the CPSU and placed him in all posts in the state !!! wassat Of course, the Communists are not to blame! The Americans and the British are to blame, and people like me ... laughing if the guilty ones are forgotten - you will add!
          Let me remind you that on February 4, 1990, 300 thousand people took to the streets of Moscow demanding democratization of the society, the abolition of the 6th article of the constitution on the leading role of the CPSU ... And on February 7, the expanded plenum of the CPSU Central Committee decided to cancel the 6th article of the constitution and allow multi-party system ..
          As you see, non-partisans only expressed dissatisfaction, but the party decided ... the members, the CPSU, so to speak, are the main communists!

          1. tatra
            tatra 7 July 2020 12: 11
            -1
            Well AGAIN,
            is it the communists to blame for the fact that the enemies of the communists, including Putin, pretended to be communists for the sake of PROFIT? Would Putin be accepted into the CPSU with what he said about the communists after the enemies of the communists got free speech from Gorbachev? And if we are talking about the communists praised by the Russian enemies again, for the sake of BENEFIT, Nicholas II, with his "circle of betrayal, cowardice and deception" is it his own fault that he was betrayed, or are those who betrayed him and whom he trusted?
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 7 July 2020 12: 23
              +3
              Quote: tatra
              Well AGAIN,
              it's the communists to blame for the fact that the enemies of the communists, including Putin, for BENEFITS pretended to be communists? ....


              Wait, wait .... it means you acknowledge that there was a party FAVORABLE? Haha FAVORABLE !!! Who installed this BENEFIT? Non-party, or what? Or those who climbed into the party, for the BENEFIT? No, this BENEFIT was established by the ideological communists !!!! hi
              1. tatra
                tatra 7 July 2020 12: 34
                0
                YES, once again, the enemies of the communists always pretend to be those who are profitable for them at the moment, and there is no difference between those of them who, for the sake of a career, for the sake of special benefits under the USSR, pretended to be communists, and all the others who, for the sake of profit, to justify their capture of the USSR with the aim of personal enrichment at the expense of the country and the people, they pretend to be "philanthropists" in slandering the communists, with hypocritical "righteous anger" they expose all the facts that they otherwise justify or "do not notice" for the crimes of the communists. And admit that had it not been for Gorbachev with his anti-communist Perestroika, the USSR would have existed to this day, and all these enemies of the communists, who "saw" Perestroika, would pretend to be "loyal communists" until the end of their lives.
                And ha, we simply cannot do without the USSR. This article is about Putin, and everyone rushed to discuss the Soviet Communists. Because FOR Putin there is nobody but paid propagandists.
                1. Nasrat
                  Nasrat 7 July 2020 12: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: tatra
                  YES, once again, the enemies of the Communists ...

                  the enemies of the communists, as it turned out, were the communists themselves .. bully But, it didn’t reach everyone .. wassat
                  1. Ded_Mazay
                    Ded_Mazay 7 July 2020 14: 59
                    -1
                    Quote: Nasr
                    the enemies of the Communists, as it turned out, were the Communists themselves .. But, it didn’t reach everyone ..

                    And there are those who will never reach ... wassat wassat wassat
      2. Alexga
        Alexga 7 July 2020 12: 01
        +4
        I will add. What about the KGB ?! It is enough to recall how, at the head, Humpback appointed Bakatin, who passed the bookmarks to the states in the new building of the US Embassy.
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 7 July 2020 12: 32
        +2
        Quote: Nasr
        be a member of the Komsomol !!! And then they say, your chances of entering the institute are greatly reduced ... (The Komsomol school itself fell down in the USA at the first opportunity.

        And our political officer, the whole lieutenant colonel, oh, how is he we taught homeland to love!
        good
        And, interestingly, so far, the power of his love has not weakened! yes

        True, he now loves another homeland-Israel! yes

        , where he escaped safely at the first opportunity (the commander said) lol
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 7 July 2020 12: 37
          +2
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Nasr
          be a member of the Komsomol !!! And then they say, your chances of entering the institute are greatly reduced ... (The Komsomol school itself fell down in the USA at the first opportunity.

          And our political officer, the whole lieutenant colonel, oh, how is he we taught homeland to love!
          good
          And, interestingly, so far, the power of his love has not weakened! yes

          True, he now loves another homeland-Israel! yes

          , where he escaped safely at the first opportunity (the commander said) lol

          It's funny that our school Komsomol — Larisa Kotikovskaya — didn’t go to Israel, those who were more victorious went there, immediately rushed to the USA, through family relations - you yourself understand how ... These were such ideological ones! Although I have no complaints about this girl - in school years I was snooping around in the corners (at that time it was considered debauchery!), Although I was not a Komsomol member. winked laughing
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 7 July 2020 14: 14
            0
            Quote: Nasr
            in school years, jammed with her in the corners (at that time it was considered debauchery!), although I was not a Komsomol

            Yes you, "my friend", turns out to be a WALKER! wassat
            Maybe you also drank with the Zionists? crying
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 7 July 2020 14: 42
            +1
            Quote: Nasr
            e went to Israel, those who were more victorious went there, immediately rushed to the USA

            Yes, I remember dreams and conversations about rome-as a cherished dream-step on the road to the USA, Canada and Australia- and it was, yes, for those who are richer, smarter and more resourceful.

            In the United States escaped other our notebook patriot: Major Zampotech and also an ardent communist lol laughing (the commander said they still communicate)
      4. WIKI
        WIKI 7 July 2020 14: 01
        +1
        Quote: Nasr
        Yes, why there, I remember how they tried to persuade me to become a member of the Komsomol !!! And then they say, your chances of entering the institute are greatly reduced ...

        So how is it? Persuaded?
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 7 July 2020 15: 52
          -1
          Quote: WIKI
          Quote: Nasr
          Yes, why there, I remember how they tried to persuade me to become a member of the Komsomol !!! And then they say, your chances of entering the institute are greatly reduced ...

          So how is it? Persuaded?

          No, I did not join this organization - and I never regretted it ... Although, at the request of the Komsomol organizer, in her own way, she asked, I went to the district party committee to "teach" the Komsomol NVP on chemical, bacteriological, nuclear danger and methods of preserving tender Komsomol bodies. ..and the choice fell on me, since I was a hell of a lot in this matter at that time .. and the Komsomol organizer needed an initiative from below, to raise the Komsomol's "rating" in the eyes of the workers' parties .. in short, it was a tool in the hands of a mercenary Komsomol girl. .. laughing . And I went to the district party every day, after school, for a week ... swore, but gave my word ...
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 July 2020 11: 38
      +9
      Quote: apro
      He was a member. parties ...


      That's what I.V. Stalin thought.
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    1. svp67
      svp67 7 July 2020 11: 20
      11
      Quote: Insurgent
      About a certain category of people

      And let's take a look at
      Andrey Kolesnikov, Program Manager, Russian Domestic Politics and Political Institutions, Carnegie Moscow Center

      Andrei Vladimir Kolesnikov (b. July 29, 1965, Moscow) - Russian columnist, journalist and political scientist, teacher. PR consultant, head of the Russian Domestic Politics and Political Institutions program at the Carnegie Moscow Center, former chief editor of Novaya Gazeta.
      Born in the family of a lawyer, subsequently an employee of the apparatus of the Central Committee of the CPSU. He graduated from the Law Faculty of Moscow State University (1987).
      The USSR had not collapsed, he would have been in the same "certain category of persons"
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 7 July 2020 11: 30
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        The USSR had not collapsed, he would have been in the same "certain category of persons"

        This example only confirms the fact that party members, along with honest and ideological people, were opportunistic rogues!
        1. svp67
          svp67 7 July 2020 11: 30
          +2
          Quote: Insurgent
          This example only confirms the fact that party members, along with honest and ideological people, were opportunistic rogues!

          And it has always been and always will be ...
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 7 July 2020 11: 36
            -2
            Quote: svp67
            And it has always been and always will be ...

            Therefore,"Theme of Putin's membership in the CPSU", and will not be fully disclosed until you get into his soul ...

            THERE IS NEVER!
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 7 July 2020 11: 39
          -1
          Quote: Insurgent
          along with honest and ideological people

          At least one honest and ideological name?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 7 July 2020 11: 46
            +2
            Quote: Serg65
            At least one honest and ideological name?

            Davranyan Sergey Akopovich - Party organizer of the mine administration named after May 1st, participant of the Second World War ...

            Even Sodom had the righteous ...
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 7 July 2020 12: 57
              +1
              Quote: Insurgent
              Even Sodom had the righteous

              I do not deny that Comrade Davranyan was an honest man, but I asked about honest and ideological communists!
              Quote: Insurgent
              And with these he actively fought ...

              The fact that he fought, I have no doubt! He fought with remnants of Stalinism, then fought for the advancement of the queen of corn fields in the vastness of his homeland, then fought with remnants of stagnation tearing Brezhnev’s portraits in Lenin’s room without a shadow of doubt, then fought for perestroika inspiring plebs that this is not a company, but an irrevocable course of the party! All life is in the struggle! ..... and what is the present?
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 12: 32
            +6
            Party membership card is the career engine.
        3. Nasrat
          Nasrat 7 July 2020 11: 52
          +5
          Quote: Insurgent
          Quote: svp67
          The USSR had not collapsed, he would have been in the same "certain category of persons"

          This example only confirms the fact that party members, along with honest and ideological people, were opportunistic rogues!

          The paradox is that the party itself imposed on the people, similar rules of the game - if the party is - you can take a post in the state., Be in the KGB, go to the cosmonauts, etc. ..... and b / n. - you will be an ordinary hard worker ... So the "enterprising" ones got into the party very first and took all the "necessary" posts ... Where were the ideological ones when they were recruited into the party according to the order?
      2. businessv
        businessv 7 July 2020 11: 53
        +7
        Quote: svp67
        The USSR had not collapsed, he would have been in the same "certain category of persons"

        Why would it be? Even now, he is in a certain category of persons who were ruining and selling the Union, and now, in view of their worthlessness in these conditions, they sold themselves to the west to cheat on them inside our country!
        1. AUL
          AUL 7 July 2020 14: 20
          +1
          And they would choose Ksyusha or Zhirik in due time - he would sing praises by them! He has such a job - the power to lick!
  5. Woodman
    Woodman 7 July 2020 11: 13
    +1
    The expert believes that Putin was never a communist.
    Somehow more and more opinions of "experts" resemble gossip ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 7 July 2020 11: 17
      +7
      Exactly. All these "Carnegie ibn Soros centers" are clearly not working to strengthen the state.
      1. Shuttle
        Shuttle 7 July 2020 11: 20
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        Exactly. All these "Carnegie ibn Soros centers" are clearly not working to strengthen the state.

        Not to strengthen our state. It is very important.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 7 July 2020 11: 24
          +1
          Yes of course. By the way, the comment above speaks of repainted party members. Not the communists.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 7 July 2020 11: 26
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        Exactly. All these "Carnegie ibn Soros centers" are clearly not working to strengthen the state.

        A member of the Carnegie Center is the essence of the member. Lenin and the Bolsheviks did not allow to tear Russia into 7 parts and systematically destroy the population. They were able to organize and rally the people to fight the external and internal enemy. As always, liberalism beautifully presents itself with false meaningfulness. It is enough to look at Ukraine to understand the attempts of the collective West to impose their will on us.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 14: 01
          -3
          The Communists, nevertheless, tore the Power. And not by 7, but by 15 bits. On Lenin's, by the way, borders.
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 7 July 2020 11: 29
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        clearly not working to strengthen the state

        Like the government though. Wherever you look, there’s a wedge everywhere. request
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 July 2020 11: 40
        +6
        Quote: 210ox
        Exactly. All these "Carnegie ibn Soros centers" are clearly not working to strengthen the state.

        These are all centers, this is the mouthpiece of another state that is not friendly to us, they cannot tell the truth.
  6. paul3390
    paul3390 7 July 2020 11: 14
    13
    It was because of these types of "communists" that the Union collapsed .. After all, an idiot opportunist and a foe. No - after all, Comrade Stalin was an amazing humanist, since he left so many obvious enemies of the people to breed ..
    1. depressant
      depressant 7 July 2020 11: 23
      +7
      Isn't Putin too often turning our attention back? In order not to think about what awaits in the future?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 7 July 2020 11: 31
        -4
        Quote: depressant
        Isn't Putin too often turning our attention back? In order not to think about what awaits in the future?

        He takes an example from Stalin.
        It was he who in difficult times remembered the history of Russia. Until the rehabilitation of Ivan the Terrible and Peter I
        I don’t know if such a backup will play now ... but the fact remains, the analogies are direct. Socialism sought support in feudal Russia; capitalism seeks it in the socialist USSR
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 7 July 2020 11: 44
          +6
          Quote: Spade
          Socialism sought support in feudal Russia; capitalism seeks it in the socialist USSR

          I would say a little differently ... in difficult times, the leader of the country is looking for support in the history of his country!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 7 July 2020 11: 48
            0
            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: Spade
            Socialism sought support in feudal Russia; capitalism seeks it in the socialist USSR

            I would say a little differently ... in difficult times, the leader of the country is looking for support in the history of his country!

            All the same, it looks rather strange ...
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 7 July 2020 11: 55
              +5
              Quote: Spade
              All the same, it looks rather strange ...

              It would be strange to deny the past completely, but could it be strange to look for the good in the past of your homeland?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 7 July 2020 11: 57
                -1
                Quote: Serg65
                It would be strange to deny the past completely

                This is what they did right up to the "rehabilitation of the past" organized by Stalin.
                Similarly, in the Russian Federation in the USSR what kind of dogs were not hung.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 7 July 2020 13: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  This is what they did right up to the "rehabilitation of the past"

                  It is from the desire to prove the unprovable laughing , the same situation now!
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 7 July 2020 11: 42
        +2
        Quote: depressant
        In order not to think about what awaits in the future?

        what The future depends on the past!
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 July 2020 11: 27
      -4
      Quote: paul3390
      A golem is an opportunist and a warrior.

      Yeah ...
      Only an opportunist and an enemy can respect Stalin.
      These communists fully and completely endorse the decisions of the XNUMXth Congress of the CPSU
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 7 July 2020 11: 35
        +6
        If he respected him, then at least the Mausoleum at the Victory Parade would not be shy with a rag .. And at least one portrait of the Supreme would be hung on the parade ..
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 July 2020 11: 40
          +2
          Quote: paul3390
          If he respected him, then at least the Mausoleum at the Victory Parade would not be shy with a rag ..

          The same mausoleum from which Stalin’s body was thrown out? At night, behind the scenes, with the cutting off of the uniform of expensive gold buttons ...
          The same mausoleum from which the inscription "Lenin Stalin" was removed?
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 7 July 2020 14: 35
            0
            Quote: Spade
            The same mausoleum from which Stalin’s body was thrown out? At night, behind the scenes, with the cutting off of the uniform of expensive gold buttons ...

            With such an analytical mind and only in the best commentators ... laughing You didn’t hesitate to indicate your profile with gold, but there were others:
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 7 July 2020 15: 30
              +3
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Stalin would never allow himself to sew a tunic with buttons made of pure gold.

              Yes ...
              In fact, Comrade Stalin could not influence the material of the buttons on his uniform, in which he was put in the mausoleum.
              Why? Difficult question ... For some ....
              Because by this time he was dead.

              And yes, for those who turned away from the army "because I do not want to fight for the oligarchs", and therefore have never been present at the morning examination, and did not polish the belt badge with GOI paste
              The buttons were made of gold so as not to fade. For polishing them on the body of the mausoleum, to put it mildly, is inadequate.

              Quote: ROSS 42
              Maybe someone for memory and cut off one.

              That's why you actually declare these people thieves? I am just surprised from your audience ...


              Quote: ROSS 42
              With such an analytical mind and only in the best commentators ...

              Because at least sometimes I turn on my brain.
              In this case, I am aware that brass tarnishes. Except from others...
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 7 July 2020 16: 04
                0
                Quote: Spade
                In this case, I am aware that brass tarnishes. Except from others...

                You opened the spoiler, Mr. "in the know" ... It’s not for you to teach me the oath. Go out into the street and tell the boys what and how. Gilding also does not fade ...
                Quote: Spade
                I am just surprised from your audience ...

                And I from you - literate people spit every time. They pick up a fake and loot until their hands are erased ...
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 7 July 2020 16: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Do not you teach me the oath.

                  And who else?
                  You obviously don’t know that brass needs to be cleaned ... And this is only possible in one case ....

                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  And I from you - literate people spit every time. They pick up a fake and loot until their hands are erased ...

                  While "fakes" are coming from you.
                  And the strange statement that Stalin could control the material of the buttons of his uniform, in which he was put in the mausoleum.
                  And no less strange statement that he was rebooted by grabs that were able to open buttons in front of everyone in the process of carrying the body 30-40 meters ...

                  You don’t know what else to lie ... And, to be honest, I do not understand the purpose of this lie.
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 7 July 2020 16: 17
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    You don’t know what else to lie ... And, to be honest, I do not understand the purpose of this lie.

                    Shovels! You are a liar and a bastard! Do not write me your opus ... Turn to documents and eyewitnesses. I’m not interested in your opinion, but go on talking and telling GB-shny tales go to ... You yourself know who, to the boy, who exchanged a dagger for hours ...
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 7 July 2020 16: 31
                      +2
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      Shovels! You are a liar and a bastard!

                      I caught you in a lie because "a liar and a scoundrel"?
                      Nice ...
                      As I understand it, this is all that you can answer the facts. Q.E.D....
                      Lies once again did not pass.

                      And so that you do not care about the allegedly stolen buttons, they were handed over to Gokhran,
                      And "GB-shnye bikes" was told by Colonel Konev, who honestly won from 1941 to 1945, at that time deputy. the commander of the Kremlin regiment. To which I have much more confidence. than to a person who does not know that brass is cleaned.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 7 July 2020 18: 19
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: paul3390
        A golem is an opportunist and a warrior.

        Yeah ...
        Only an opportunist and an enemy can respect Stalin.
        These communists fully and completely endorse the decisions of the XNUMXth Congress of the CPSU

        It looks like you were a communist laughing
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 July 2020 18: 53
          +1
          Quote: Doliva63
          It looks like you were a communist

          I did not even have time to be a Komsomol member.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 7 July 2020 18: 59
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            I did not even have time to be a Komsomol member.

            How so? belay Young ish? Strange, thought older.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 7 July 2020 19: 00
              0
              Quote: Stroporez
              How so? belay Young ish? strange, thought older.

              But in the collapse of the USSR did not participate. And I can honestly say who is to blame.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 7 July 2020 19: 09
                +2
                Quote: Spade

                But in the collapse of the USSR did not participate. And I can honestly say who is to blame.

                Well, yes. I get it, thanks.
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 7 July 2020 19: 22
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: Doliva63
            It looks like you were a communist

            I did not even have time to be a Komsomol member.

            When did you go to school?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 7 July 2020 19: 29
              0
              Quote: Doliva63
              When did you go to school?

              in 93
    3. Hagen
      Hagen 7 July 2020 11: 31
      11
      Quote: paul3390
      It was because of these types of "communists" that the Union collapsed ..

      In the 70s and 80s, the CPSU created such conditions, especially in the power structures, under which, without membership in the CPSU, there was nothing to think about career growth. For security officials, a career has always been one of the main incentives for service. Therefore, this dependence on party affiliation created conditions for joining the party without, so to speak, "ideological craving." The party was chasing the number of ranks. In the 80s, the CPSU had about 20 million members. It was foolish to imagine that the CPSU at that time was an ideological monolith. Therefore, it must be stated that the USSR collapsed not because of the "communist type", but because of the erroneous strategy of the country's economic policy, which, contrary to the postulates of Marxism, was headed by the political superstructure in the most voluntarist ways. And the communists who were members of the party for the sake of a career are the consequences of the erroneous course of the CPSU.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 7 July 2020 11: 43
        +1
        But it was necessary like this ...


        II. Task and direction of cleaning

        The task of cleansing the party is to increase the ideological level of party members, to strengthen the party politically and organizationally, to further strengthen the confidence of millions of non-party masses in the party.

        This task is carried out during cleaning by: a) conducting open and honest self-criticism of party members and party organizations, b) checking the work of each party cell from the point of view of implementing decisions and instructions of the party, c) involving non-partisan masses in cleaning, and d) removing them from party of people who do not justify the high rank of party member.

        From the party are cleared:

        1. class alien and hostile elements, fraudulently sneaking into the party and staying there to expand the party ranks;

        2. double-dealing, living by deceiving the party, hiding their real aspirations from it, and under the guise of a false oath of "fidelity" to the party trying to disrupt the party’s policy in practice;

        3. open and hidden violators of the iron discipline of the party and state, not fulfilling the decisions of the party and government, questioning and discrediting decisions and established by the party plans, chatter about their "unreality" and "impracticability";

        4. “degenerates” fused with bourgeois elements, unwilling to actually fight class enemies, struggling in practice with kulak elements, ditches, idlers, thieves and plunderers of public property;

        5. careerists, skins, and bureaucratic elements, using the stay in the party and serving with the Soviet state for their personal selfish purposes, cut off from the masses and neglecting the needs and demands of workers and peasants;

        6. morally decomposed, dropping the dignity of the party by their unseemly behavior, dirtying the banner of the party.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 7 July 2020 12: 02
          +6
          Quote: paul3390
          But it was necessary like this ...

          And I think that the party should be a party, and service - a service. And they should not intersect. And the CPSU, in its monopoly position, simply rotted and decomposed. The result is logical.
    4. Serg65
      Serg65 7 July 2020 11: 41
      -4
      Quote: paul3390
      left so many obvious enemies of the people

      Did you want a Russian roof?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 7 July 2020 11: 47
        +5
        And what-among the oligarchs and those who destroyed the USSR, are most Russians the same ?? The destruction of the enemies of the people is not bloodthirstiness, it is the highest measure of social protection of the country and people.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 7 July 2020 12: 03
          -3
          Quote: paul3390
          Destruction of the enemies of the people

          Those. if it is you who are currently being identified as an accomplice to a former Russian oligarch and now a Swiss citizen, can your execution be equated with the highest level of social protection of the country and people?
          Quote: paul3390
          among the oligarchs and those who crushed the USSR, are most Russians the same ??

          It’s unlikely among the oligarchs, but among those who destroyed it, the majority ...
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 July 2020 11: 43
      +2
      Quote: paul3390
      No - after all, Comrade Stalin was an amazing humanist, since he had left so many obvious enemies of the people.

      They did not remain, they degenerate, degenerate, and then multiply.
      1. depressant
        depressant 7 July 2020 12: 28
        0
        In accordance with the section "II. Purpose and direction of the purge," presented by colleague paul3390, it would be nice to include the section "Principles of selection for the party" in the general charter of the People against Corruption (NPK) party, whose leader was the president's nephew Roman Putin. If there is no such division, then the suspicion will inevitably arise that this is such a way of dividing the current composition of the United Russia into parts - for those who change their shoes and change color for the upcoming elections to the Duma.
  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra 7 July 2020 11: 21
    +1
    And who was Stalin? Demo tfu kratom? laughing
    1. 210ox
      210ox 7 July 2020 11: 25
      +3
      But Joseph Vissarionovich was just a COMMUNIST.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 7 July 2020 11: 46
        -4
        Quote: 210ox
        But Joseph Vissarionovich was just a COMMUNIST.

        laughing good Who gladly destroyed the Bolshevik-Leninists and put a thick device with a plug on Marxism!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 July 2020 13: 53
          +1
          Quote: Serg65
          Who gladly destroyed the Bolshevik-Leninists and put a thick device with a plug on Marxism!

          And he built a great state.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 13: 58
            -2
            AND THEREFORE, built a great state.
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 7 July 2020 13: 59
            -2
            Quote: tihonmarine
            And he built a great state.

            But I don’t argue with that!
  8. NordUral
    NordUral 7 July 2020 11: 21
    +6
    Putin's two main priorities are Russia's sovereignty and security.
    If so! His priority is the safety of him and his friends. And the people are only consumables, cannon fodder. And even that is only part of it, and the rest are those who were not asked to be born.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 7 July 2020 11: 49
      -2
      Quote: NordUral
      people only consumables, cannon fodder

      But it is precisely you who think so about the people of Russia, calling this people for slaughter! How did they say in the old, Soviet times .. the mothers still give birth?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 7 July 2020 12: 00
        0
        Quote: Serg65
        How did they say in the old, Soviet times .. the mothers still give birth?

        It is not necessary to ascribe "zest" to the USSR from "enlightened Europe" yes

        It is established that the phrase "Women still give birth" or close to it in the sense of the dictum existed in Russian and Soviet literature even before the Great Patriotic War and before the revolution of 1917, without a specific author. They entered the Russian language environment presumably through the so-called “Kurganov’s Writer” - a Russian grammar textbook and self-study manual authored by Nikolai Kurganov, which was a bestseller of its time and reprinted 1769 times from 1837 to 11. It contained the famous replica of Prince Conde, arranged by Schiller, which the military commander is supposed to have given in solace to Cardinal Mazarin on the occasion of the victorious, but fraught with heavy losses battle at Freiburg during the Thirty Years War in 1644: “One night in Paris will restore our losses "(Fr. Une seule nuit de Paris réparera nos pertes).
        The phrase became widely known in Europe, although it was based on misunderstood statistics: Conde lost about eight thousand soldiers, but, according to Holbach, “Paris does not produce ready-made soldiers in one night” - few Parisian babies lived to be thirty years old.
        It is assumed that in the Russian language environment the phrase was subsequently only simplified and coarsened.
        1. edmed
          edmed 7 July 2020 13: 47
          -2
          Quote: Insurgent
          It is assumed that in the Russian language environment the phrase was subsequently only simplified and coarsened.

          In some book dedicated to the liberation of Bulgaria there is an episode with the storming of Plevna, Russian troops came under fire and began to suffer heavy losses, the messenger reported to the general, who replied: “Take care of the horses, and the soldiers ... soldiers, women will give birth.” As the book was called which general is credited with this phrase, alas, sclerosis recourse , in fact, in world history and literature there is a concept of "wandering plot", when the bike wanders back and forth, acquiring new details.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 7 July 2020 15: 17
        +2
        But it’s exactly you who think so about the people of Russia, calling this people for slaughter! How did they say in the old, Soviet times .. the mothers still give birth?

        Where did you see my call for revolution, Sergey? I keep saying that you have to go to the polls. So in this situation, when the whole people go to the polls, this will be the slaughter of these, only peaceful.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 12: 38
      -2
      In fairness: for Stalin, the people were also cogs, that is, hardware, consumables. True for the sake of an idea.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 7 July 2020 14: 29
        +4
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        for Stalin, the people were also cogs, that is, hardware

        Yes you?
        In the 1952 year, in his work "The economic problems of socialism in the USSR," Stalin considered the possibility of switching the whole country to an 5-6 hour work day so that people would have more time for self-development and rest.

        Under Putin, the people were offered beggarly wages, as a result of which "beggar workers" and labor until their death appeared in the country.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 14: 36
          0
          Does Putin set our salary?
          As long as there is no trade union movement, as in Western countries, there will be no high salaries either. I give a hint: unions are formed from below, and not at the direction of a good uncle.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 7 July 2020 18: 31
            0
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Does Putin set our salary?
            As long as there is no trade union movement, as in Western countries, there will be no high salaries either. I give a hint: unions are formed from below, and not at the direction of a good uncle.

            In the West, the mafia is responsible for trade unions, do you not know? laughing
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 18: 32
              +1
              Yeah, the mafia. Especially in Germany or Sweden.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 7 July 2020 16: 39
        +1
        About cogs - taken out of context, Andrei.

        FOR THE HEALTH OF MODERN PEOPLE!

        Toast at a reception in the Kremlin in honor of the participants in the Victory Parade on June 25, 1945

        Do not think that I will say anything extraordinary. I have the easiest, ordinary toast. I would like to drink to the health of people who have few ranks and an unenviable rank. For people who are considered the "cogs" of the great state mechanism, but without whom we are all marshals and commanders of the fronts and armies, speaking roughly, we don’t stand a damn thing. Any "screw" went wrong - and it's over. I raise a toast to people who are simple, ordinary, modest, to “cogs” who keep our great state mechanism active in all branches of science, economy and military affairs. There are a lot of them, their name is legion, because these are tens of millions of people. These are modest people. Nobody writes about them, they have no rank, few ranks, but these are the people who hold us, as the foundation holds the top. I drink for the health of these people, our esteemed comrades.

        The newspaper "Pravda" June 27, 1945
    3. depressant
      depressant 7 July 2020 12: 47
      -2
      NordUral, buddy security? )))
      Colleague, your idea of ​​the president's entourage is outdated. Time does not stand still, Putin's relatives have grown up, and now a sickly clan-backing can be seen. We are all sadly repeating: "Friends! Friends!", And here relatives with well-trained appetites and a set of competencies necessary to satisfy him have drawn. I can imagine how many broken hopes friends have. It is worth taking a closer look at relatives. )))
  9. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 7 July 2020 11: 21
    -1
    Enough for us that Gorbachev and Yeltsin were communists ...
    And the party members were 17 million, it is good that one of them was Putin.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 7 July 2020 11: 27
      0
      Who were the communists ?! Tagged and drunk ?? !! They were just members. To say the least.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 7 July 2020 11: 50
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        Who were the communists

        Dmitry, and who was a communist ???
        1. 210ox
          210ox 7 July 2020 13: 17
          +1
          I know for sure that my mother was definitely a COMMUNIST. Ordinary school teacher. She believed in ideals and raised them in the same way. And she didn’t throw away party cards. I am sure there were millions in the party. There were certainly careerists and traitors.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 7 July 2020 13: 32
            +4
            Quote: 210ox
            my mother was definitely a communist

            How did your mother relate to Stalin? How did your mother relate to the abuses of the top and local party apparatchiks? What did your mother do to clear the party ranks of an undesirable element?
            1. 210ox
              210ox 8 July 2020 08: 43
              -1
              I know one thing, she treated Stalin with great respect. What did she do to fight the apparatchiks? I can’t say, I didn’t go to the party meeting. I definitely want to say that she didn’t pass or throw away her party cards. As for the abuse, I remember she spoke very harshly, we had a dispute on the Uzbek case. And I think that she correctly instructed me. Personally, I was the secretary of the Komsomol organization in the army and after working as a civilian. He refused to join the party. Although since 1985 I was pulled hard there
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 8 July 2020 11: 47
                -1
                Quote: 210ox
                I know one thing, she treated Stalin with great respect. What did she do to fight the apparatchiks? I can’t say, I didn’t go to the party meeting.

                Oh Dmitry, all our trouble was that all our struggle took place in the kitchen! As well as now.
                Quote: 210ox
                we had a dispute on the Uzbek case

                This is an interesting thing! And what was the argument expressed? How did the warring parties relate to the Uzbek case?
                Quote: 210ox
                He refused to join the party.

                But it is understandable, in the yard is the 85th year!
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 July 2020 13: 58
          -1
          Quote: Serg65
          Dmitry, and who was a communist ???

          After 1953, they simply did not remain.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 7 July 2020 14: 02
            -1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            After 1953, they simply did not remain.

            Valera, I’ll tell you more .. they weren’t even after the 17th!
        3. edmed
          edmed 7 July 2020 14: 01
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          Who were the communists ?! Tagged and drunk ?? !! They were just members. To say the least.

          Quote: Serg65
          Dmitry, and who was a communist ???

          Nina Andreeva. Who said: “I can’t compromise my principles.” One Russian woman among millions of men who hold party membership cards.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 7 July 2020 14: 14
            +1
            Quote: edmed
            Nina Andreeva.

            what I really thought none of the "communists" remembers her! Yes, she is probably the last brave and honest communist, although I haven't heard about her lately.
            1. edmed
              edmed 7 July 2020 14: 30
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              Yes, she’s probably the last courageous and honest communist

              Exactly, and the rest ... so ... carriers of party cards, it is especially funny to watch their migration behind the food supply, migrate back and forth, together with the "general line"
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 7 July 2020 11: 30
      -2
      And not two, three, ten. good
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 7 July 2020 14: 22
      0
      Quote: Whirlwind
      And party members were 17 million

      stop 19 (January 487, 822) ...
  10. Galleon
    Galleon 7 July 2020 11: 22
    +7
    This is the second attempt for today to convince readers that zeroed out is "Stalin" of today. And we must pin our hopes on him as on Stalin. Now dug up some member of the Carnegie Center ...
    The fact of the matter is that Stalin was a communist, and the present-only a member of the party. It’s not even a matter of how much has already been talked about the present, but over the course of 20 years, everyone has seen enough of his affairs and their results. As he did grandmother, he will do so. Oil and gas will run out - they will start squeezing them out of us (although what can we squeeze out?).
    In general, the article is for those who are interested in the opinion of Putin.
    1. Polymer
      Polymer 7 July 2020 11: 56
      0
      Quote: Galleon
      This is already the second attempt for today to convince readers that zeroed out is "Stalin" of today.

      Yes cool.
      For "Stalin" to appear at the head of the state, first there must be "Lenin" who will create this state. In this case, apparently, the role of the latter is attributed to Yeltsin? This is congenial! (C).
  11. tatra
    tatra 7 July 2020 11: 25
    0
    Enemies of the communists and everything is cowardly "at nothing" to what they did in the Soviet and post-Soviet periods, and they are generally people without ideological convictions. There were communists in power - a huge number of enemies of the communists pretended to be communists and their supporters for the sake of profit, Gorbachev launched slander against the communists - all of these instantly "saw their light", and began to pretend to be "ideological anti-communists", democrats, liberals. It is advantageous for them to pretend to be "great philanthropists" in slandering the communists — they all pretend to be — and the "recovered" members of the CPSU, and everyone else.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 7 July 2020 11: 51
      +1
      Quote: tatra
      Enemies of the communists

      laughing Well, the soul rushed to paradise !!!!
      1. tatra
        tatra 7 July 2020 11: 59
        -5
        If you can not object to the substance of my comment, go by. The enemies of the Communists in crowds climb into discussions about the history and politics of their country, but not one of them is capable of discussions.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 7 July 2020 12: 31
          +1
          Quote: tatra
          If you can not object

          laughing Crush the water in the mortar?
          Quote: tatra
          walk past

          laughing write in the journal Communist, there will not bother you
          Quote: tatra
          not one of them is capable of discussion

          laughing good Well let's discuss scientific Communism 2nd semester!
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 7 July 2020 12: 40
        10
        Quote: Serg65
        Quote: tatra
        Enemies of the communists

        laughing Well, the soul rushed to paradise !!!!

        The same phrases "enemies of the communists ..." in different places of the proposal ... at least 100 times a day ...
        Isn’t it a robot? winked
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 7 July 2020 12: 59
          +3
          laughing Genady, right now this is a fashionable trend to mow down as a communist! laughing
          It is unlikely that this is a robot, an ordinary two-armed enemy of the people! wink
          1. apro
            apro 7 July 2020 13: 26
            -5
            Quote: Serg65
            It is unlikely that this is a robot, an ordinary two-armed enemy of the people!

            And on what grounds did they determine? And the enemy of which people specifically?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 7 July 2020 13: 29
              +2
              Quote: apro
              And what are the signs identified?

              In the morning, coffee drinks with a bun!
              Quote: apro
              what enemy of the people specifically?

              Enemy of the people of Russia ... i.e. Russian ... so intelligibly? You ask, I will discuss with pleasure wink
              1. apro
                apro 7 July 2020 13: 35
                -2
                Quote: Serg65
                Enemy of the people of Russia ... i.e. Russian ... so intelligibly?

                That is, the Communists are the enemies of the Russian people. I understand correctly. That is, the Russian people entered the prosperity period precisely at the time of the nullified and his company? And the Communists only put sticks in the wheels?
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 7 July 2020 13: 46
                  0
                  Quote: apro
                  That is, the Communists are the enemies of the Russian people

                  Oleg, my friend, what kind of communists are you talking about? Where did you see the Communists in modern Russia? Adherents for the Communists are, but the Communists in the afternoon with fire you will not find!
                  Quote: apro
                  that is, the Russian people entered the prosperity period precisely at the time of the nullified and his company

                  Well, let's start with the fact that all the hirelings of Khodorkovsky have reset to zero ... that is. money in the wind!
                  Yes, you’re right ... the Russian people entered a period of prosperity precisely during Putin’s time, 10 years before Putin, the Russian people sat at the fifth point and, no matter how strange it is for the Communists, what will happen after Putin is not you and I don’t know.
                  Quote: apro
                  and the Communists only put sticks in the wheels?

                  Well, let's be clean ... over the past 30 years, how many people elected the so-called communists to the posts of governors? For example, you can name at least one communist governor who created ... well, not communism ... at least a wonderful life for the inhabitants of his province? Name, Oleg, name ???
                  1. apro
                    apro 7 July 2020 13: 57
                    -3
                    In modern Russia, the Communists are not in power. Therefore, they cannot rule a communist bourgeois country.
                    For 30 years of the rule of the bourgeois government, the country's damage exceeded the losses in the Second World War in material terms and in terms of population.
                    When you talk about nominees who are members of manual opposition parties. They also work according to the laws and rules dictated by the bourgeois dictatorship. Bank interest and the fiscal system. And it is impossible to build a separate communism in a single region and not a power.
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 7 July 2020 14: 18
                      +2
                      Quote: apro
                      to build a separate communism in a single region and not a power is impossible.

                      For this, you can calmly steal under the guise of a party card!
                      Quote: apro
                      For 30 years of the rule of the bourgeois government, the country's damage exceeded the losses in the Second World War in material terms and in terms of population.

                      Those. Communists revived the bourgeois class, which seized power? However!
                      Quote: apro
                      When you talk about nominated members of manual opposition parties, they also work according to the laws and rules dictated by the bourgeois dictatorship

                      Well .. is there an unsystematic communist movement?
                      1. apro
                        apro 7 July 2020 14: 32
                        -1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        For this, you can calmly steal under the guise of a party card!

                        In bourgeois society, this is not a sin.
                        The communists did not revive the bourgeois class.The struggle within the communist movement led to a departure from the communist principles of building a society, and then a departure from communist principles in the economy, management, education, and led to the degeneration of part of society. The modern bourgeoisie are degenerates.
                        I don’t understand what non-system communists mean. Communists cannot be in the bourgeois system in any way. These are antogonists.
                      2. Serg65
                        Serg65 7 July 2020 15: 10
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        In bourgeois society, this is not a sin

                        Those. in bourgeois society is it not a sin for a communist to steal from the people for whom he so skillfully pours rivers of tears ??? Oleg .. your language, your enemy !!!
                        Quote: apro
                        the struggle within the communist movement led to a departure from the communist principles of building a society

                        Moreover, this struggle began immediately after the Bolsheviks came to power!
                        Quote: apro
                        I don’t understand what non-system communists mean

                        Well, I’ll put the question differently ... are there any Communists now, and if so, who represents them?
                      3. apro
                        apro 7 July 2020 15: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Those. in bourgeois society is it not a sin for a communist to steal from the people for whom he so skillfully pours rivers of tears ??? Oleg .. your language, your enemy !!!

                        I did not understand your idea .... explain more precisely. What did you mean by that.
                        The struggle for communism never ends when new problems arise. And they need new methods of solution. And erroneous solutions arise ... and this also needs to be overcome.
                        The Communists have now gone into education and research. This is my personal opinion. I do not see a clear leader now.
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 7 July 2020 16: 15
                +2
                Quote: Serg65
                Oleg, my friend, what kind of communists are you talking about? Where did you see the Communists in modern Russia? Adherents under the Communists have

                Yes, Oleg made fun, maybe even Zyuganov and Grudinin will be ranked among them.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 13: 57
      +1
      The fastest is a parrot. Standard set of phrases.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 July 2020 14: 08
      +2
      Quote: Terenin
      The same phrases "enemies of the communists ..." in different places of the proposal ... at least 100 times a day

      Well, there are Communists Zyuganovites, but what's the use of them.
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 7 July 2020 11: 27
    +4
    In general, the idea of ​​opposing Lenin and Stalin is a rather battered receiver of renegade-Khrushchevites, and even earlier of the Trotskyites-Bukharinites.
    Crap is induced on the fence, not an idea. Even if she was sheltered in her head even by an employee of some institution there, even by the Darkest.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 7 July 2020 11: 51
      +3
      Quote: Shuttle
      Trotskyites-Bukharinites.

      But isn't Trotsky a Leninist?
      1. Shuttle
        Shuttle 7 July 2020 12: 27
        -2
        Quote: Serg65
        Quote: Shuttle
        Trotskyites-Bukharinites.

        But isn't Trotsky a Leninist?

        He himself believed that yes. More precisely, he called himself a follower of 3L. Lenin, Liebknecht, Luxembourg. Here are just the most important with historical t.z. VIL’s idea of ​​revolution in one particular country was somehow not strongly shared.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 7 July 2020 12: 38
          +1
          Quote: Shuttle
          VIL’s idea of ​​revolution in one particular country

          belay This is Lenin’s idea ????? Come on? And in more detail this theory can not sound?
          1. Shuttle
            Shuttle 7 July 2020 17: 12
            -1
            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: Shuttle
            VIL’s idea of ​​revolution in one particular country

            belay This is Lenin’s idea ????? Come on? And in more detail this theory can not sound?

            You are welcome. Before the WIL, the Marxists expected a revolution in one of the developed European countries. And even Lenin was expecting her there. But the rapid events of 16-17 years forced him to reconsider this t. Especially the fiasco of the interim government in the summer of the 17th.
            Lev Davidovich, even after the defeat of European labor movements in the early 20s, continued to rely on them.
            Trotsky argued that capitalism is a world system and a world revolution is needed, which will become the basis for building socialism, and also that the Stalinist theory represents the interests of bureaucratic elements that are in direct conflict with the interests of the working class.
            As history has shown, he was mistaken. And as soon as the banner of his ideas (voluntarily or involuntarily - this is not the essence) was picked up by the Khrushchevs, this was the beginning of the end of the USSR.
            Something like that.
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 7 July 2020 19: 11
            -2
            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: Shuttle
            VIL’s idea of ​​revolution in one particular country

            belay This is Lenin’s idea ????? Come on? And in more detail this theory can not sound?


            "On the slogan of the United States of Europe":

            "The unevenness of economic and political development is an unconditional law of capitalism. It follows from this that the victory of socialism is possible initially in a few and even in one separately taken capitalist country. The victorious proletariat of this country, having expropriated the capitalists and organized socialist production, would stand up against the rest of the capitalist world. , attracting to itself the oppressed classes of other countries, raising in them an uprising against the capitalists. "

            Enough? Connoisseur of horseradish. Why do you climb where nichrome do not know? But posts were pretty bad - for money, or what?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 8 July 2020 13: 21
              -2
              Quote: Doliva63
              Is it enough?

              You don’t really blow your lips!
              Quote: Doliva63
              Why do you climb where nichrome do not know?

              Well, yes, I took a quote from the context, and you consider yourself a professor of sour cabbage soup?
              Quote: Doliva63
              But posts were pretty bad

              laughing Rudeness is a hallmark of stupid emo communists!
              Quote: Doliva63
              for money, or what?

              For the idea, silly girl, for the idea! For money, only people like you work!
              Quote: Doliva63
              Is it enough?

              Not enough!
              Quote: Doliva63
              The unevenness of economic and political development is the unconditional law of capitalism. It follows that possible victory of socialism originally in few and even in one single capitalist country. The victorious proletariat of this country, having expropriated the capitalists and organized socialist production, would have opposed the rest of the capitalist world

              Have you completely read the article, wise guy?
              Oh, and where do they only find you? The Russian land has become impoverished in competent rebels recourse
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 12: 39
        0
        Trotsky is a Leninist. And closer to the leader than Stalin.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 7 July 2020 13: 03
          -1
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Trotsky - Leninist

          In fact of the matter! It was Stalin who coined the term Trotskyism exclusively helping him in the struggle for power, as a result, the entire Leninist guard became Trotskyists and was multiplied by zero, the trouble is that the emo communists are not in the tooth with Marxism, scientific Communism, and their constant getting into the toilet liquid!
          1. Hhrist
            Hhrist 7 July 2020 17: 38
            +2
            Quote: Serg65
            It was Stalin who coined the term Trotskyism to exclusively help him in the struggle for power; as a result, the entire Leninist guard became Trotskyists and was multiplied by zero

            Absolutely right.
            And he needed Ulyanov for the role of the type of god-son in his new cult (Marxism-Leninism was called). Therefore, Ulyanov separated from his associates (old Bolsheviks) Dzhugashvilya.
        2. Shuttle
          Shuttle 7 July 2020 17: 15
          -1
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Trotsky is a Leninist. And closer to the leader than Stalin.


          Trotsky Leninist is about the same as Adolf Aloizovich corporal or artist.
          1. Hhrist
            Hhrist 7 July 2020 17: 35
            +1
            Quote: Shuttle
            Trotsky Leninist is about the same as Adolf Aloizovich corporal or artist.

            No, that's just Bernstein, he was not just a Leninist, but also the leader of the Leninists ("old Bolsheviks").
            But the Bolsheviks-renovationists ("Stalinists") did it. When the "conscientious power" of Ulyanov (and the old Bolsheviks) was exchanged for the "socialism" of Dzhugashvili.
            1. Shuttle
              Shuttle 7 July 2020 20: 27
              -2
              Quote: HHrist
              Quote: Shuttle
              Trotsky Leninist is about the same as Adolf Aloizovich corporal or artist.

              No, that's just Bernstein, he was not just a Leninist, but also the leader of the Leninists ("old Bolsheviks").
              But the Bolsheviks-renovationists ("Stalinists") did it. When the "conscientious power" of Ulyanov (and the old Bolsheviks) was exchanged for the "socialism" of Dzhugashvili.

              Oh, did Dzhugashvili have any personal socialism of his own? Already interesting.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 July 2020 14: 20
        +2
        Quote: Serg65
        But isn't Trotsky a Leninist?

        Trotsky internationalist. He "allegedly" became a Leninist in 1917.
        Trotsky participates in the Second Congress, where at first, according to the Menshevik Ryazanov, he plays the role of "Lenin's club", and then moves to Martov’s position
        A month after the congress, the Mensheviks, in contrast to the Central Committee elected at it, formed their own bureau, which together with Trotsky included Axelrod, Martov, Potresov and Dan. A plan to fight the Bolsheviks was developed. However, in the Menshevik bureau, Trotsky’s ambitions came up against Dan’s intrigue and he leaves him, taking “his position”. At this stage, according to the testimony of his son-in-law LB Kamenev (the husband of the younger sister Olga Davidovna, “ladies with aristocratic manners and great claims”), Trotsky “expressed the views of the Bund.” Arriving in May 1917 in Petrograd, Trotsky, according to Lunacharsky, came to Bolshevism "somewhat unexpectedly and immediately with brilliance." At first, he was part of the "inter-district" outside the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks, opposed its integration with the Bolshevik organization of the capital, advocated cooperation with the Provisional Government, and questioned the Leninist course on the socialist revolution.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 7 July 2020 15: 04
          -3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Trotsky internationalist

          Well, let's start with the fact that Lenin is also an internationalist! Trotsky and Lenin were members of the same party of the RSDLP, Lenin gave rise to factionalism in this party, Trotsky advocated party unity. After Lenin's fortress with Krasin, Bogdanov and Stalin, Trotsky naturally began to denounce Lenin in an unfair fight .. although Krupskaya, already a widow, wrote to Trotsky in a letter ..
          The attitude that V.I. developed towards you when you came to us from London from Siberia did not change until his death.

          The February revolution brought the conflicting members of the same party closer, and it was thanks to Trotsky that the Bolsheviks managed to seize power on October 25! Thanks to Trotsky, the Bolsheviks won the Civil War ..
          Comrades! Knowing the strict nature of Comrade Comrade’s orders Trotsky, I am so convinced, absolutely convinced, of the correctness, expediency and necessity for the good of the cause given by comrade. Trotsky orders that I support this order entirely. V. Ulyanov (Lenin)

          This was written at the bottom of an empty piece of paper, i.e. Lenin gave Trotsky the opportunity to write anything from above!
          Quote: tihonmarine
          questioned the Leninist course on the socialist revolution

          laughing But this is a trick of the late Stalinist propagandists! Trotsky discouraged Lenin from a permanent revolution in July 17th, but insisted on it in October of that same year, and he himself carried out the latter brilliantly!
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 7 July 2020 16: 26
            -1
            Quote: Serg65
            But this is a trick of the late Stalinist propagandists! Trotsky discouraged Lenin from a permanent revolution in July 17th, but insisted on it in October of that same year, and he himself carried out the latter brilliantly!

            Maybe so, but I will say one thing, "God forbid Russia has more people like Trotsky."
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 7 July 2020 20: 44
              +4
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: Serg65
              But this is a trick of the late Stalinist propagandists! Trotsky discouraged Lenin from a permanent revolution in July 17th, but insisted on it in October of that same year, and he himself carried out the latter brilliantly!

              Maybe so, but I will say one thing, "God forbid Russia has more people like Trotsky."

              If you are impudent and rude to the Homeland, a steel ax awaits you - an ice ax! bully
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 7 July 2020 20: 50
                0
                Quote: Terenin
                If you are impudent and rude to the Homeland, a steel ax awaits you - an ice ax!

                I do not blame for this.
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin 7 July 2020 20: 57
                  +4
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Quote: Terenin
                  If you are impudent and rude to the Homeland, a steel ax awaits you - an ice ax!

                  I do not blame for this.

                  Ramon Ivanovich Lopez
                  By the way, a member of the Communist Party of Spain.
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 8 July 2020 08: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Terenin
                    Ramon Ivanovich Lopez

                    Respected man.
            2. Serg65
              Serg65 8 July 2020 13: 48
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              God forbid Russia anymore such as Trotsky

              laughing Trotsky is not so terrible as he is painted!
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 8 July 2020 14: 01
                +1
                Quote: Serg65
                Trotsky is not so terrible as he is painted!

                It may not be so scary, we won’t know everything about him, but even that’s enough to understand that the less Trotsky’s, the better without them.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 13: 14
      -1
      Most of Lenin’s associates turned out to be enemies of the people. Stalin was a faithful Leninist only in words.
  • fn34440
    fn34440 7 July 2020 11: 32
    -19 qualifying.
    Is Putin sympathetic to Stalin? This bloody tyrant, a former Tiflian raider and robber? Some kind of conjunctural nonsense, to the needs of the marginalized layers of our society.
    Where and when Putin, in a word, showed sympathy for Yoske the murderer, with a lifelong mentality of an uneducated shoemaker.
    I recalled a thieves song that my grandfather sang:
    “Music plays in the Kremlin hall,

    Lily of the valley and jasmine,

    And at the table he drinks Russia

    Pakhan Sovetov Ioska Gutalin! ” It was a folk song.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 7 July 2020 11: 53
      +4
      Ek pushed you!
      Learn materiel, and do not sing grandfather thieves' songs.
      Stalin was not a shoemaker and was not uneducated. Now live with it.
      Tsar Nikolashka is not like a seminary, he has not even finished elementary school.
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 7 July 2020 12: 09
        -11 qualifying.
        Senor Pereiro. You at least read Wikipedia. From what family-Yosya, who was his dad. What did this Tiflis raider get for his life? For self-education.
        Do not drive your fake empty.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 July 2020 12: 18
          +4
          Quote: fn34440
          Do not drive your fake empty.

          Even under thieves you can’t mow ....
          Exceptional unprofessionalism ... laughing laughing laughing
        2. Pereira
          Pereira 7 July 2020 12: 51
          +2
          Faina, So you are talking about Comrade Stalin or about his dad? That yes, there was a shoemaker. Or is it the same person for you?
          About education:
          Stalin could not finish the seminary, since he was expelled from the educational institution right before the exams for absenteeism. But after that, Joseph Vissarionovich was issued a certificate allowing him to become a teacher in primary schools.
          About the raids.
          It’s excusable for the granddaughter of the thieves not to understand how this can be robbed, not for oneself, for one's beloved, but for the common cause. At leisure, read how the ex differs from the gop-stop.
          In short, learn the mate part.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 12: 42
        0
        Nikolai, like all emperors, received a brilliant home education. Lectures to the future monarch were given by the best world-renowned scholars who were personally selected for the son of Tsar Alexander III and his wife Maria Fedorovna.
    2. tatra
      tatra 7 July 2020 11: 57
      -6
      And who are you YOURSELF, enemies of Stalin, and on what basis did you imagine that you have a moral right to accuse the Bolshevik-communists and their supporters of something? You didn’t do ANYTHING useful for your country and people, neither under Soviet power, nor after you captured the USSR, but what you DID, you cowardly whine in chorus that you had nothing to do with this, than you yourself admit that what you did is your crimes. And you have not even offered anything and anyone useful to your country and people for these 100 years after the October Revolution to your country and people.
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 7 July 2020 12: 22
        -5
        I love the expression "PionEry. Get in the ass!" It is still relevant now. I send it to your neurons not clouded by analytical thinking.
        And it is true that you were thundering with shackles at the construction site of the "Belomorkanal", to the song
        "Stalin instructed us to dig a channel
        And for that 15 years under Article 58 he gave me ... "?
        A useful thing, you did ... regularly "offering yourself to the country and the people."
        1. tatra
          tatra 7 July 2020 12: 25
          -3
          Which was required to prove. The Stalinophobes have nothing for themselves, nor for what they did during the Soviet period and after the capture of the USSR by them. For their country and people they always have only stupid, malicious, aggressive, irrational AGAINST everything Soviet.
          1. fn34440
            fn34440 7 July 2020 12: 31
            -9
            Go pull the shmurdyak under:
            "To shine brighter


            Our slogans for victory


            For Stalin to raise his hand,


            Sending us hello. "
            This must be sung 1000 times, going around GUM at dawn.
            And you will forever get rid of ideosyncrasy.
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 7 July 2020 12: 57
              +6
              Stalin died almost 70 years ago, and when you mention his name Shit bricks will happen.
              How can you live in such fear?
    3. Free wind
      Free wind 7 July 2020 12: 14
      -2
      There was no such thing.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 7 July 2020 11: 40
    +4
    About a person judged by deeds. And only history will give an assessment.
    Putin is a patriot of Russia is that? Which Russia? You can be a patriot of corrupt and oligarchic Russia.
    The fact that many joined the Communist Party not for ideological reasons, but for career reasons is a fact, in fact, therefore, the Soviet Union collapsed, it was undermined without ideological "communists".
    Such an assessment of Putin is an attempt to manipulate those who still give him their votes.
  • Poetry
    Poetry 7 July 2020 11: 45
    -2
    Today, everyone is persuading Putin in different cases, but even his ardent enemies understand how good he is.
    Everyone remembers Serdyukov, the "Minister of Defense"? As soon as they didn't call him names, "Stulov", "Taburetkin", etc. Someone said that Russia was over, that Russia was blown away, the Russian army died. While this cardboard minister was having fun with his women, somewhere in the strictest secrecy the real Ministry of Defense was working, developing the latest types of weapons.
    As a result of the brilliantly conducted operation, our mortal enemies first appeared in the role of catching up. Hello from Vova.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 July 2020 11: 47
    +2
    Program Manager, Russian Domestic Politics and Political Institutions, Moscow Carnegie Center Andrey Kolesnikov
    Well, this one certainly knows "exactly" who is who and who is guided by. What you can agree with is
    Putin's two top priorities are sovereignty and security of Russia.
    what European leaders can only wish for.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 7 July 2020 11: 57
    +1
    Member of the Carnegie Center: Putin was a member of the Communist Party, but was never a communist

    And this is WHAT such RARE then and there ???
    I’m not surprised, pf-e.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 7 July 2020 11: 58
    -1
    From my point of view, Putin conducts a cautious moderate domestic policy maneuvering between liberals and communists. Well, I just can’t understand his ideology and what purpose he is moving towards.
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 7 July 2020 12: 05
    -1
    He was a member and that’s it.
  • demo
    demo 7 July 2020 12: 11
    +2
    This opinion was expressed by the head of the program “Russian Domestic Politics and Political Institutions” of the Carnegie Moscow Center Andrei Kolesnikov in an interview with the radio station “Echo of Moscow”.

    When I see the opinion of a "respected organization" - the Carnegie Moscow Center, which is broadcast by another "respected media outlet" - Echo of Moscow, then I understand one thing.
    Either the opinion is not sincere, or the one they are talking about is very preferable for the speaker.
    If our enemies praise our president, then something is alarming.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 7 July 2020 14: 04
      -1
      Quote: demo
      If our enemies praise our president, then something is alarming.

      Yes, do not be shy - make a conclusion: either these are not enemies, but our friends (at least partners), or ...
      A friend of my enemy is my enemy.
      1. demo
        demo 7 July 2020 14: 14
        0
        I stopped being shy, well, a very long time ago.
        I don’t even remember when it was. recourse
        I just stopped rushing.
        Therefore, I will naturally consider your proposal.
        And maybe I will.
  • Junior Private
    Junior Private 7 July 2020 12: 16
    0
    A party member is not a party member, a communist is not a communist. It is not necessary to attach particular importance to formulations from political theories. In the USA, for example, presidents traditionally consist of a republican or democratic party, which have nothing to do with either the republic or democracy, but traditionally pursue a policy of world terror.
  • cosmonaut
    cosmonaut 7 July 2020 12: 20
    +6
    who Putin is, you don’t need to explain. I’m all clear. Putin is a man of the bourgeois. that is, the main bourgeois. he defends all the bourgeois.
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 7 July 2020 12: 21
    +2
    Simply put - a traitor .. because of which the country fell apart ..
    1. tatra
      tatra 7 July 2020 12: 43
      0
      Countries cannot fall apart by themselves. Gorbachev gave freedom of speech and action to the enemies of the USSR and the separatists, and they divided the USSR among themselves. And the fact that they and the dismemberment by them of the USSR cowardly blame the Communists, they themselves recognized this as their crime. As well as with the enemies of the USSR, they themselves point out what they consider their crimes to the country and the people, when they cowardly blame others for what they did.
  • iouris
    iouris 7 July 2020 12: 55
    -1
    According to the text, a directive came from the Center: Stalin created an empire (the world socialist system), GDP was born an imperialist. But it is interesting to ask the Center, how does Stalin himself feel about what is happening with his "empire"?
    1. imobile2008
      imobile2008 7 July 2020 19: 28
      +1
      A miserable empire :) who was starving
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 7 July 2020 13: 29
    0
    In the process, Andrei Kolesnikov declared Putin an opportunist and a conjuncturist. About the imperial - he, of course, bent. The scale of the personality is not the same
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 7 July 2020 13: 55
    +1
    Putin was a member of the Communist Party, but he was never a communist.

    And Putin served in the KGB, but did not take measures to preserve the sovereignty of the country to which he swore, and exchanged debt for mercantile interests.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhSqR2FcsxY
    Putin's two main priorities are Russia's sovereignty and security. In addition, he was impressed by Stalin, not Lenin.

    Stalin impressed him? But Stalin did not lower the state flag of the USSR to please different functionaries.
    In addition, it is important for Putin that Stalin did not tarnish himself with direct contact with Adolf Hitler.

    I am 100% sure that Stalin would not “stain” himself by communicating with the leader of the state, which would bring down a Soviet plane.
    And yet, Stalin would long ago have made it clear to all embezzlers that a “good corrupt official” is a dead (with complete confiscation) corrupt official.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 7 July 2020 14: 20
    -2
    There, in the end, everything was rotten, when the Iron Curtain fell, the majority either merged or sold, since all these "peace of friendship are chewing gum" allowed.
    All those who tried to "be friends" with the dirty West, and in fact, the country had to be immediately closed far and for a long time, or better against the wall, then these metastases of the capitalist world cancer tumor all over the Union were already crawling into the Union, without even hiding. No one in the Union really interfered with, and many supported, there were practically no normal communists.
  • U-58
    U-58 7 July 2020 14: 42
    -2
    Why are we all attached to the right of nations to self-determination? !!.
    This principle was used as the main justification for the return of Crimea to Russia.
    And if we recall the era of the revolution and the creation of the USSR, then this principle could not seem to anyone to be a time bomb, because almost from day to day the world revolution and the universal world brotherhood of nations and peoples were expected
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 7 July 2020 21: 12
      0
      Quote: U-58
      Why are we all attached to the right of nations to self-determination? !!.
      This principle was used as the main justification for the return of Crimea to Russia.

      But only if it had not existed, then there would have been nothing to return.
      Quote: U-58
      for almost from day to day the world revolution and the universal-world brotherhood of nations and peoples were expected

      Yes it is, but no world revolution happened, but the bomb remained.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 7 July 2020 15: 58
    -3
    Under Stalin, a powerful state? It’s ridiculous. Stalin was a "patient" who held on to power. The Americans bombed us, the Germans started the war, Stalin was afraid to pop out. Worthless ruler.
    1. yoshkovoleg
      yoshkovoleg 7 July 2020 17: 38
      0
      Is it possible, in more detail, about the American bombing of our country?
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  • yoshkovoleg
    yoshkovoleg 7 July 2020 17: 37
    0
    what a monstrous garbage ... Only under the buzz can you come up with this ...
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 7 July 2020 18: 57
    0
    Quote: yoshkovoleg
    Is it possible, in more detail, about the American bombing of our country?

    I am ashamed of your lack of education.On October 8, 1950 at 16.17:80 pm local time, two Lockheed F-100C "Shooting Star" ("Meteor") fighters of the US Air Force violated the state border of the USSR and, having deepened almost 165 km, attacked the Soviet military field airfield Sukhaya Rechka XNUMX km from Vladivostok, in the Khasan region. As a result of the bombardment by US Air Force aircraft, seven aircraft of the Soviet squadron were damaged in the parking lot, one was completely burned down.

    Source: https://fishki.net/1313493-kak-8-oktjabrja-1950-goda-ssha-bombili-sssr.html?sign=612986231961747%2C773268554904521 © Fishki.net
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 7 July 2020 21: 10
      0
      Quote: imobile2008
      On October 8, 1950 at 16.17:80 pm local time, two Lockheed F-XNUMXC "Shooting Star" ("Meteor") US Air Force fighters violated the state border of the USSR

      It really was, but
      On April 12, 1951, an event took place in the sky of Korea that went down in American history as "Black Thursday". In less than 10 minutes, the US Air Force lost 14 aircraft: 10 heavy bombers and 4 fighters. The Soviet fighters that attacked them returned to the base without losses.
      и
      In the sky of Korea, 46 Soviet pilots became aces. Together they destroyed 416 enemy aircraft.

      https://rg.ru/2019/04/12/chernyj-chetverg-kak-migi-sbili-10-bombardirovshchikov-ssha.html
      So the game went both ways.
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 8 July 2020 09: 41
    -1
    Balabol from journalism, maybe he was not a communist, such an option is possible, then the question of moral standards arises, he deceived the party, but where are the concepts of honesty, but what about pension reform now?
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 8 July 2020 11: 38
    -1
    Surely a member of the CPSU party card is under the mattress.
  • Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 8 July 2020 13: 20
    0
    The offspring of the center, a member of Carnegie, impresses ...
    everything mixed up in the house ... just some feuilleton, not otherwise)))
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 8 July 2020 13: 26
    0
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: imobile2008
    On October 8, 1950 at 16.17:80 pm local time, two Lockheed F-XNUMXC "Shooting Star" ("Meteor") US Air Force fighters violated the state border of the USSR

    It really was, but
    On April 12, 1951, an event took place in the sky of Korea that went down in American history as "Black Thursday". In less than 10 minutes, the US Air Force lost 14 aircraft: 10 heavy bombers and 4 fighters. The Soviet fighters that attacked them returned to the base without losses.
    и
    In the sky of Korea, 46 Soviet pilots became aces. Together they destroyed 416 enemy aircraft.

    https://rg.ru/2019/04/12/chernyj-chetverg-kak-migi-sbili-10-bombardirovshchikov-ssha.html
    So the game went both ways.

    Stealthily. They hid it nobly. Why didn’t they fly to the USA to bomb? Stalin was patient, hence foreign policy. And in the 30 years that a couple of power plants were built and a decommissioned plant was launched.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 8 July 2020 19: 22
      -1
      Quote: imobile2008
      Stealthily. They hid it nobly.

      Hiding what? Pilots from the USSR in Korea? Nobody knew about them, like?
      Quote: imobile2008
      Why didn’t they fly to the USA to bomb?

      Probably because the United States had an excuse that allowed to save face, they say they were close and lost their course, but to hush up the attack on the United States would have been impossible and hello TMV.
      Quote: imobile2008
      And in the 30 years that a couple of power plants were built and a decommissioned plant was launched.

      A lot more. The USSR began to seriously lag behind in the 70-80s.
  • georggy
    georggy 8 July 2020 14: 29
    0
    Not an article, some kind of crap.
    Understand everything on the back.
    Yes, everyone knows who he is ....