Mongolia may become a member of the CSTO

The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) sent an invitation to Mongolia to join this structure. This is of positive importance for the interests of the Russian Federation.

As the RIA News, such a statement was made in the Federation Council by the director of the first Asian department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Georgy Zinoviev.

He said that Mongolia is also interested in receiving an invitation to the CSTO. The leadership of the country has a positive response.

In addition, when India and Pakistan expressed their desire to join the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), Mongolia expressed interest in joining this structure. Zinoviev also notes that negotiations have begun on the participation of this country in the Eurasian Economic Commission (EEC).

Now the CSTO includes six states: Russia, Belarus, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

The SCO was founded in 2001 by the Russian Federation, the People's Republic of China, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgyzstan. In 2017, it was decided to include India and Pakistan in this organization.

Earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) and the SCO could subsequently receive the status of CSTO partners. This status was established two years ago by the decision of the heads of the CSTO member countries.

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[Uncle lee]

In the Great Patriotic Mongolia was the most faithful and disinterested ally!

[Insurgent]

Quote from Uncle Lee

In the Great Patriotic Mongolia was the most faithful and disinterested ally!

Paid good for good , for helping repel Japanese aggression ...

[Tatyana]

Mongolia may become a member of the CSTO.
This is of positive importance for the interests of the Russian Federation.
Now the CSTO includes six states: Russia, Belarus, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

It must be assumed that this will be on the both sides - the CSTO and Mongolia member states - the RIGHT decision!

[hrych]

Quote: Tatiana

Correct solution!

The main thing in this agreement is that the sky will be controlled by our VKS. And Mongolia will hide under our nuclear umbrella. Having experience of "good neighborliness" with China and Japan, it is an extremely correct decision.

[Tatyana]

Quote: hrych

The main thing in this agreement is that the sky will be controlled by our VKS. And Mongolia will hide under our nuclear umbrella. Having experience of "good neighborliness" with China and Japan, it is an extremely correct decision.

I thought about that too.
It is noteworthy that Chinese nationalists these days declared territorial claims against Russia for Vladivostok.
REFERENCE
Vladivostok is the unofficial capital of the Far East. Territorial disputes between Manchuria (the so-called independent northern territory of present-day China) and the Russian Empire were still in the 19th century, in order to avoid conflict, the Aigun Treaty was concluded between the countries in 1858. The population of the Far East of Russia has always been small, so according to 1890, a little more than 100 thousand people lived here, of which only 42% were of Russian origin, 13% of Chinese and Koreans, and the rest were foreigners of Russian citizenship. Already then there were clashes between the Russians and the Chinese, which often ended in death on both sides.

[Dima 27]

I would like to add that the Cyrillic alphabet has been preserved in Mongolia, and no one, unlike neighboring and "friendly" Kazakhstan, is going to switch to the Latin alphabet!

[newcomer]

In the global geopolitical multipolarity, we are becoming a significant center of attraction for the government who want to be free.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: newbie

we are becoming a significant center of attraction for state wishing to be free.

Not understood. Can you tell me the points?

[newcomer]

Gos.va, who do not want to give their sovereignty to Western structures (both state-owned and commercial), are slowly entering the orbit of the Russian Federation. So understandable?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: newbie

So clearer?

Nah ...

Quote: newbie

go into the orbit of the Russian Federation.

What kind of earth axis is this?

[newcomer]

Have you decided to fool the kid?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: newbie

Have you decided to fool the kid?

No, I’ll throw a felt boot ...

[newcomer]

You should take a break, from felt boots.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: newbie

You should take a break, from felt boots.

What? Valenok, so to hell with him, the main thing is not to drop a goby on the head of anyone.

[St Petrov]

You should take a break, from felt boots.

A zero reset cannot wait. Who else, if not this tribe causing pity, will be ironic in the subject - that a neighboring state is entering the Russian sphere

Well, what to take from them? guys are offended. Putin has reset all their moans

[Fan]

Quote: newbie

In the global geopolitical multipolarity, we are becoming a significant center of attraction for the government who want to be free.

This is what the West is terribly afraid of ... And everything goes to this!
Multipolarity for them is a terrible dream .. They lose control of the world!
Russia again to them like a bone in the throat ..
You can't buy us and ruin us from the inside .. Option war (play off with someone))) Well, no "gentlemen", we also learned your trick in politics ..
Uncle Tom’s cabin, we remember .. And the Nazi invasion of all the power of Europe in the USSR!
These are the things in the analytical centers of Lubyanka ..!

[antivirus]

These are the things in the analytical centers of Lubyanka.

are you from the Lubyanka? and such clever spitsch write there?

[L-39NG]

I advise you to take a sedative¨

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Ventilator

Quote: newbie
In the global geopolitical multipolarity, we are becoming a significant center of attraction for the government who want to be free.

This is what the West is terribly afraid of ... And everything goes to this!
Multipolarity for them is a terrible dream .. They lose control of the world!
Russia again to them like a bone in the throat ..

And now it will be possible, if anything, to scare NATO with the Mongol-Tatars!

(JOKE)

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Uncle Lee

In the Great Patriotic Mongolia was the most faithful and disinterested ally!

Mongolian short fur coats and sheepskin coats not one warrior warmed

[figwam]

Quote: Lipchanin

Mongolian short fur coats and sheepskin coats not one warrior warmed

That's right, the United States delivered about 665 thousand tons of canned food and 54 thousand tons of wool, and Mongolia more than 500 thousand horses, 500 thousand tons of meat and 64 thousand tons of wool, but the economies of these states are not comparable.

[cat Rusich]

Sergey, "Lend-Lease" - was paid for with GOLD. the usa just sold their wares for their own safety. "US Protection Act" - Lend Lease Act (Lend-Lease).

[Avior]

Only the United States delivered goods and other things to the Amount equivalent to 11 tons of gold for free, and Mongolia sold for money or barter.

[poquello]

Quote: Avior

Only the United States delivered goods and other things to the Amount equivalent to 11 tons of gold for free, and Mongolia sold for money or barter.

"The State Bank of the USSR received financial assistance from Mongolia." For these funds, in particular, 53 tanks were built, of which 32 T-34 tanks, on the sides of which were the glorious names of Sukhe-Bator and other heroes of the Mongolian People's Republic, - wrote in his memoir "Memories and Reflections" Marshal Georgy Zhukov. "

[Avior]

This is the main part of aid from Mongolia, in any case, its most expensive part is 53 tanks, of which half are medium and half are light. All help was 12 echelons.
I am grateful to Mongolia for any help, even with money, even with hay for cows, but to tell that this help was more than American help was to mislead people
The average tank supplied by the Americans cost about $ 50, as did the fighter, by the way.
That is, if you count the help of Americans in medium tanks, you get more than 200 thousand medium tanks for free, or 100 thousand tanks and 100 thousand fighters.
Against their background, 53 Mongolians do not look so impressive, especially since the Mongols certainly did not supply tanks, they raised money for the construction, but this did not increase the number of tanks released.
This is so, to compare the scale

[poquello]

Quote: Avior

that is the main part of aid from Mongolia

yes violet, but where?

Quote: Avior

Mongolia sold for money or barter.

?

[Avior]

That’s what they listed above, hundreds of thousands of horses, and more, that’s what Mongolia sold to the USSR. Part of the money, part of the barter, often high-tech, like cars and stuff that they themselves needed in the war like air.
So for those horses and other things that they modestly and deftly labeled “delivered” from above, without specifying that we are not talking about free supplies at all — the USSR paid for all this one way or another in the war.
Yes, a small part was free, it’s true, but it’s a small, main part that was immediately paid for by what we ourselves needed.
I already had such a conversation, I deliberately climbed the network and looked for details of what and how, and where in the feed of my messages they are, there is no time to search now, now I am writing from memory.

[poquello]

Quote: Avior

So for those horses and other things that they modestly and deftly labeled “delivered” from above, without specifying that we are not talking about free supplies at all — the USSR paid for all this one way or another in the war.
Yes, a small part was free, it’s true, but it’s a small, main part that was immediately paid for by what we ourselves needed.

"Horses were supplied from Mongolia on a planned basis, at a conditional price, mainly offset against the Mongolian debts of the USSR."
look further

[Avior]

Yes, this is from Wikipedia about MPR, I know.
They also wrote slyly
What is the conditional price and why?
Before the war in Mongolia, there was a massive boom in political repression, 5 percent of the population. All sorts of rich bais and Buddhist monks with horse-rich monasteries. And there was no one to sell them, except to the Japanese.
The Mongols themselves did not need such a number of freshly confiscated herds either, why feed them?
Therefore, the price of horses turned out to be inexpensive.
It is also written there, for example, that 32 thousand were delivered for free, and 500 thousand on account of paying the debt, that is, not for free.
But this is not what I wrote from other sources then.
I remembered there was still money for 12 aircraft.

[poquello]

Quote: Avior

But this is not what I wrote from other sources then.

) so deal with sources first

Quote: Avior

on account of debt

yes it's not free but not

Quote: Avior

paid by what we ourselves needed.

[Avior]

It was discussed in a post above that supposedly the help of Mongolia was more than American.
Maybe I didn’t write quite correctly about the forms of settlements, but I wrote primarily about the fact that the deliveries of Mongolia during the war were not free, and they were not help and were paid in one way or another in any form, unlike the free help of the Americans.
And the specific forms of mutual settlements and what was there before and when the Mongols were delivered, this is the second question.
And on the issue of private donations from Mongolia, they were from the States too. Another thing is that they practically do not write about it, although it is possible to meet.

[stalki]

Only the United States delivered goods and other things to the Amount equivalent to 11 tons of gold for free, and Mongolia sold for money or barter.

Yah? Is it really free? From the master's shoulder so to speak? The cost of our victory is so high that everyone else is quietly smoking on the sidelines. Well, if we are talking about the nishtyaks from the Nagloanglo-Saxons, then we must remember how the ame_ry hands on the Opel during the war, the owner of General Motors, and IBM very successfully supplied the concentration camps with computers, so to speak, for accounting of souls, they paid the Germans for this gold, including the one that was taken from the prisoners. Oh, what noble Americans of the USSR they helped, they helped themselves in the first place and everyone knows about it. And the oil that the American company "Standard Oil" supplied to the Nazis, the volumes are colossal. Moreover, there were no delays in deliveries to the Germans, but there were allies. So there is no need to put forward in a different light here that is not put forward in any way

[Avior]

This is a widespread set of fakes on the Internet, torn from the icteric book Trade with the enemy.
None of this is confirmed; in the book, too, there is no evidence of this.
Spend a little time and find out that there was no Standard Oil in the war, it broke up before the First World War.
In the names of some companies, such a phrase was present, but the Germans drowned them for a sweet soul - I gave the list of tankers more than once, it was not a problem to find it.
By the way, you forgot to write about how Coca-Cola Fantu for the Nazis came up with and released, this usually also comes in such a set.

[stalki]

About fake with cola, this is out of place for sure. And the standard oil is very much mentioned where the main owner is Rockefeller (also a German surname by the way). And the adventure with the English intermediaries through which they concluded a gas contract for the Germans has long been walking around the world. And you may not believe these data as much as you like. And do not take them as an argument. Of course, commercial secrets are not taken into account. After all, you have to believe the Americans. Well, if you don’t have such an argument in honor, then with the fact that amers have warmed up on this and raised their economy due to this, we cannot argue a priori with our blood. Because this is a fact and Lendliz supplies were also politically beneficial to Roosevelt. This is a decrease in unemployment, an increase in own production. This is finally the effect on other countries. In addition, part of the convoys simply did not reach us on these supplies. And we still paid not only in gold, but in raw material barter, in very significant volumes. And even if we compare the volumes of land-lease and our own production, established later, it far exceeds deliveries. And is it worth it to sing the diferemba gigemon after that, the question is rhetorical.

[Avior]

And with cola it’s not a fake
Many companies had subsidiaries or enterprises in Germany
As it is now, if you drink Coke, then most likely it is not released in the USA, it is more profitable to produce it locally.
After the United States entered the war, any trade with Germany was strictly prohibited and concentrate was no longer supplied to a German company.
The Germans, for their part, took control of these enterprises.
The leader of the German Coke invented a drink from industrial waste - apples and skim milk, which he called fiction of something there, in short, fantasy. Now, of course, this is a different drink, but the name remains.

But it was similar with an ibiem.
There was a branch in Germany, and, of course, the Germans did not allow it to close.
Rockefeller was, of course, but he died in 1937, at the age of 98, you understand how he could trade with the enemy
His company Standard Oil for monopoly was dissolved by a decision of the US Supreme Court back in 1911
This can be read in two ways on Wikipedia.
And so, according to all the alleged facts from this list, a little truth, a little lies and a little silence. Where, how about selling oil to Germany is just a fake.

[stalki]

The company was not dissolved, but divided, if I remember correctly, read the wiki, in 35 parts. By the way, for comparison, the UK in terms of lend-lease received about 10 times more help than the USSR. And we paid the debts for this allied handout only in 2006. I could be wrong with the year.

[Avior]

This is their business with England, do not you think?
They didn’t seem to be obliged to help us at all, given that our goal was to proclaim a world revolution, that is, a violent change of government, including in the United States.
And since 1939, we have been opposed to Britain and France waging an aggressive war against Germany, as Comrade People’s Commissar Molotov said, so that until June 22, 1941 the USSR was perceived as a friendly state to Germany, and, as it became known now from Putin’s article , We did not even think about any plans for a war with Germany.
On the contrary, the US Communist Party that we controlled conducted active propaganda against the US entering the war against Hitler.
In any case, they paid a very small part, taking into account inflation.

[stalki]

Are you out of your mind? What small part? What is the change of power? What kind of worn out phrases. This is already the height of cynicism and deliberate misleading. Did the war that took away millions of our fellow citizens start with us? The aggression of the Western world against the Russian Empire, the USSR and modern Russia is a fact, without any justification for the type of world revolution. Don’t speak my teeth here. They always wanted to capture us, they always wanted to rob and enslave us. We are obliged to defend our sovereignty. And the world understands perfectly well who owes millions of living and free from the yoke of Nazism. Only the human ego cannot come to terms with the fact that this "evil" multinational Russian people, led by their "tyrants", saved everyone else. And he saved not for the sake of knocking on the chest with a fist, but setting aside the right to survival and freedom. Sorry for being rude but I saw in one place all these cheap signals about them "are not required" to us, so we certainly do not have to say thanks to anyone, although we do. Can you remind you of Harry Truman's words? I think not worth it, you know them. As my grandfather used to say, "the word is not a sparrow, you can't catch it," here the Western world will never be washed off, this is their stigma.

[Avior]

no need to waste in loud phrases.
The idea of ​​a world revolution was put up for the agenda in the USSR and was never removed, even if they were silent about it.
this is a coup, no matter how you call it. We were not friends with the United States before the war, they do not owe us anything.
we fought with Hitler because she attacked us, there was no choice. And not because America asked for it.
and would have fought anyway.
The words of Truman, who was not yet president, are logical for the case when the USSR publicly supported Hitler only yesterday. What did he have to say?
about the dictionary is not a sparrow ....

Report of the Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs comrade V. M. Molotov on the foreign policy of the Government. October 31, 1939

Government Foreign Policy Report
(at the Extraordinary Fifth Session of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR)

October 31, 1939 ...
Now, if we talk about the great powers of Europe, Germany is in the position of a state striving for an early end to the war and peace, while England and France, who yesterday opposed aggression, stand for the continuation of the war and against the conclusion of peace. Roles, as you see, are changing.

.... the governments of England and France, however, do not want to end the war and restore peace, but are looking for a new excuse to continue the war against Germany.

Recently, the ruling circles of England and France have been trying to portray themselves as fighters for the democratic rights of peoples against Hitlerism, and the British government announced that, as if the goal of the war against Germany was for it, nothing more and nothing less. "destruction of Hitlerism". It turns out that the British, and along with them the French, supporters of the war have declared against Germany something like an "ideological war", reminiscent of the old religious wars ... not only is it senseless, but also criminal to wage a war like the war for "destruction Hitlerism "covered with a false flag of the struggle for" democracy "..

http://doc20vek.ru/node/1397

[stalki]

It’s you shaking the empty documents that do not reflect objective reality, we can recall how many agreements and backstage games Europe actually did.
https://lazar-kr.livejournal.com/1016532.html

[Avior]

explain to Comrade Molotov that he did not reflect reality
But what about the link that I need to watch? well, have non-aggression pacts concluded, and so what?
the list, by the way, the fake is already in the first line, the pact of four was not concluded.

[stalki]

So we don't notice anything except that the Russian Vanya is to blame anyway? Well, at the expense of four, it doesn't even matter, I just poked the first link to the list that came across. In order not to list everything, I write on the go. Well, I will summarize in your words well, Molotov said in his report and a lot of people said something, well, "so what?"

[Avior]

all the more it’s better not to write too much for nothing
Molotov is the official position of the USSR.
What did you expect from Truman after that?
and what is this fake list for?

[stalki]

In addition to the pact of four, which did not take place due to our objections, although it was prepared. Everything else is reality, what are you talking about?

[Avior]

Start with where you led this list?
I am sure that at least part of it is true. So what? What is the list for?

[stalki]

To your words "so what?" I have led this list to the fact that you are trying to hide an elephant behind political pirouettes and play on words, the essence of the Western world, which is rotten through and through, the duplicity of this list is evident. It is useless, futile empty feints of a football player who cannot reach the goal. Here I will say thank you to the Mongols and to everyone else who supported us in reality, and leave the Western candy wrappers for yourself. And poor lend-lease with underdelivery and lateness, as well as outdated equipment. And the Normandy operation in 44m, although in 43m they could end this monstrous war, and the appearance of resistance in Europe and the supposedly allied intentions of the anti-Hitler coalition. All these are candy wrappers.

[Avior]

I have a lot of words, I don’t see the point in them.
Why did you bring a list of what you want to prove this?
Can you clearly write? what duplicity, what are you talking about?

And miserable landlize

"Poor Lend Lease" in gold terms is 11000 tons of gold, which is almost half of the world's gold reserves in 1941.
and what is wrong with allied intentions?
where did you get that the Norman operation was possible in 1943?

[stalki]

I haven’t dug so deep with cola yet

[Avior]

For Lend Lisa during the war did not pay anything.
There was a reverse Lend Lisa when we supplied the states with ore, if I am not mistaken, in a small volume.
But the difference there is such a direct 11 billion dollars, the reverse is 2 million.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Avior

For Lend Lisa during the war did not pay anything.

FALSE !

Since June 1941, the USSR placed orders in the United States for military products and strategic raw materials, and paid for them upon execution.
As Edward Stettinius, Lend-Lease Program Administrator, wrote: ... until the end of October [1941] the Russians continued to pay in cash for everything that we purchased".
However, at the beginning of the war, the USSR did not have enough hard currency to buy everything it needed from the United States using the "pay and take" formula. Where did the Soviet side get the dollars to make the purchases Stettinius writes about?


As it turned out, Roosevelt "rescued" the USSR. The American president at the time was unable to provide a loan for the purchase of weapons without congressional approval, so he came up with a workaround.
The US government concluded two trade deals with the USSR: for the purchase of strategic materials for $ 100 million and gold for $ 40 million. U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau agreed to buy Russian gold at $ 35 an ounce, and on August 15, 1941, paid the Soviet side an advance of $ 10 million for his future supply.

And remember "Gold Cruiser Edinburgh"...

Light cruiser Edinburgh before and after a torpedo attack.

[Avior]

Once again, according to Lend Lease during the war, they did not pay anything.
In addition to Lend-Lease, there was also regular trade; in these cases, they paid.
from the USSR, furs, caviar, wood and more were brought for sale.
a small amount of gold was also used
Gold at Edinburgh Worth $ 5 Million
Lend-lease was $ 11 billion.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Avior

Gold at Edinburgh Worth $ 5 Million
Lend-lease was $ 11 billion.

Was that the only "tranche"? And "Edinburgh" was sunk in 1942, at the very beginning of the war ...

You generally read the comment and quote Liz Lease Program Administrator Edward Stettinius?

[Avior]

and what of that?
Compared to the scale of Lend Lease, these are all insignificant amounts.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Avior

and what of that?
Compared to the scale of Lend Lease, these are all insignificant amounts.

But nothing but the fact that you are lying (the purpose of lies is not yet clear). [Citation]

Quote: Avior

Again- Lend Lease during the war did not pay anything.

[Avior]

while I see only your lies.
The land lease was free, and the gold of Edinburgh and the rest that you piled up had nothing to do with the land lease.

[Victorio]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Uncle Lee

In the Great Patriotic Mongolia was the most faithful and disinterested ally!

Mongolian short fur coats and the sheepskin coat of more than one soldier warmed

===
) I have been in a suitcase since Soviet times, so never dressed

[Alexga]

I, too, is lying, 30 years have passed, but at least something for him!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Victorio

) I have been in a suitcase since Soviet times, so never dressed

Yes, they were delivered to BAM. I also had where deo, I do not remember

[And Makarov]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Mongolia was the most faithful and disinterested ally

There was a time, Mongolia was even called the sixteenth republic.

[syndicalist]

Quote: A Makarov

There was a time, Mongolia was even called the sixteenth republic.

Bulgaria, it seems, was the sixteenth

[mvg]

the most faithful and disinterested ally

You are aware that the states and Anglo-Saxons dropped more than 2/3 of German planes, that a month after the start of the war, we began to learn leasing through Iraq, for which England checked a change of government there. What leasing we didn’t pay, that the British escorted the convoys, and the Americans built the Lierti class transport in less than a month. And the states single-handedly dealt with Japan, which made it possible to transfer the Far East divisions to the west. And China and Mongolia were under the Japanese, they had no choice.
PS: That's the question of who really helped. West, resources, weapons, technology and participation, or Mongolia horses. Even the Anglo-Saxons deprived the Germans of oil and resources, so after 43 there was a very strong raw material hunger

[1976AG]

And you know that most of what you wrote is nonsense?

[mvg]

you wrote this nonsense

Have you checked them, facts? Or is it difficult? What exactly confused you? I was too lazy to write for another. This has already been discussed at VO. Russia would never have landed in Japan, with the Imperial Fleet alive, and the Far East would have been captured. If the Anglo-Saxons did not bomb the factories, then the output of military equipment would be many times higher. But the war could very well end in 100 days, as the Nazis planned.
So what of the bullshit? That all aircraft engines are licensed and not very copies, that without American machine tools there was no heap of technology, that after the war we had thousands of SuperCobras, without which there was simply nothing to bring down possible B-29s.

[1976AG]

Have you checked what you wrote about yourself? And if checked, then how? And these are tales about how the Americans once again saved the world more than once .. So go tell others ..

[mvg]

they themselves checked what they wrote

Once again, which fact? What exactly bothers you? That war is won in the air, that wooden planes flew, against all-metal ones, that even at the end of the war the USSR did not have a normal bomber. The level of the Liberator or Super Fortress, That the USSR never had a fleet, and without the British there would be no convoys with a load of help, that until the machines arrived, there would be no modernized T-34-85 and normal barrels, that the West bombed plants for a thousand bombers escorted by 300 fighters. That the Luftwaffe stood up without kerosene, like tanks.
Washes lied about Japan? So where's the bullshit? There will be no links, on Mondays I don’t submit, but all the numbers are on the Internet, even on the ru. Sayah, which you will not suspect of bias

[1976AG]

You did not write that the war is won in the air. You wrote that the Americans and the British dropped 2/3 of German planes. Do you see the difference? I don’t argue that we had a lot of wooden planes, but you DO NOT WRITE about it. That the USSR did not have a fleet - just a blatant lie! At least you wouldn’t forget to whom you write this. What leasing we didn’t pay - nonsense! They paid, with gold. That they had a shortage of fuel is true, therefore, they strove to take Stalingrad and the Caucasus. But the fact that the Germans did not have enough resources for a protracted campaign about this Paulus warned before the war. Therefore, they wanted to quickly turn the war around. So do not flip the facts, we know the story better than yours. About Japan, by the way, is also nonsense. But I’m not only on Mondays, I basically do not serve.

[mvg]

You wrote that Americans and Englishmen dropped 2/3 of German planes

It is, Even in some months more.
They paid for leasing, but not all. For the fact that they died or did not pay. They paid for what was left.
The fleet, as it was not, was gone. Compared to German or Japanese, mere pennies, at least one successful operation for the war?
With the release of fighters from the "war for England", Leningrad and Stalingrad would have become harder. The Germans throughout the war did not give out the planned number of planes or tanks per month.
The fact that the Germans were thrown out of Africa deprived them of molybdenum for armor.
We did not have airplanes, the level of Aerocoba, Spitfire and Mustang. And, if the West did not ruffle the Luftwaffe every day, the battle for the Caucasus would be different.
And the level of Soviet aviation was shown by the Khalkin Goal and the Finnish War. Especially their beginning.

[1976AG]

The overwhelming majority of German troops was destroyed precisely by the Soviet Union, so that the arrogant Saxons battered them, and we destroyed them. Learn history not from the Western press.

[mvg]

Learn the story not from the Western press

This is a ru.site. By the way, there is a lot of on. We destroyed more, lost decently too. I do not argue. But without the West it would be many times worse. Maybe critical.
I don’t think that if it was necessary to help the West, the ITT would also immediately enter the war. And I would not blame the delayed opening of the Second Front. How could help.

[1976AG]

And the fact that without the West it would be harder for us, did I really argue with that ??

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: 1976AG

And the fact that without the West it would be harder for us, did I really argue with that ??

Alexei, do not grovel in front of this miracle.
The turning point came near Stalingrad, the boiler was made in 1942. Lend-lease assistance amounted to 86% for the years 1943, 44 and 45. That is, there was help, of course, but it had no decisive significance. And it was only 2% of the Soviet GDP of that time.
And about 2/3 of the dropped German planes, even nothing to say. This is the same enchanting nonsense as kerosene for German planes and armor.

[ihfhfdghb]

Lend-Lease assistance was undeniable, but not all recognize it,

[1976AG]

"You wrote that the Americans and the British dropped 2/3 of the German planes

It is, Even in some months more.

That is, in some month 2/3 of the planes, and in which 3/4? And they fought for more than one month .. That is, they destroyed approximately 500 - 600 percent? Do you even understand what you are writing?

[mvg]

That is, they destroyed approximately 500-600 percent?

Once again, I suggest looking for numbers. There is a monthly breakdown. Pebble, Eastern Front, Blue Western.
After the first months of the war, the USSR Air Force had few planes left until the transferred factories began to work, while the level of fighter aircraft in TTX was at least a little closer to the German one, while pilots and commanders gained experience.
And the English Spitfai Hurricanes were in no way inferior to the German. Radars worked, and fought over their territory.
What is surprising about this. Look at Thunderbolt, we had at least something similar, in terms of engine power, level of armor and weapons. Why are we at the end of the war R-63 Kingkoby drove beyond the Urals? And to shoot down the B-29 with 12 firing points and a computer (probably more difficult than the SB or TB. And we did not have such a class, at least approximately.

[poquello]

Quote: mvg

After the first months of the war, the USSR Air Force had few planes left until the transferred factories began to work, while the level of fighter aircraft in TTX was at least a little closer to the German one, while pilots and commanders gained experience.

but how many put them in 41-42 years?

[mvg]

but how many put them in 41-42 years?

Specify what? If airplanes, then the first were the Hurricanes and Aero Cobras. R-63 is the plane of the end of the war, the best of what was supplied to us. They were cared for in the event of a possible war with the states, in fact one of the few fighters that could get Super Fortresses for 8-10 km. The Germans for this were high-altitude Me-109.
Neither the Mustangs nor the latest Spit models were given to us.
Well, at the end of the war, from the Fortresses and Pe-8s that had landed on our territory, they collected as many as 48 aircraft (restored) to long-range aviation. And the Americans had thousands of them.
By the way, the Americans gathered almost 40 thousand Shermans, no less than 34-ok, they, not all, but the same fought somewhere.

[poquello]

Quote: mvg

but how many put them in 41-42 years?

Specify what? If airplanes, then the first were the Hurricanes and Aero Cobras.

here are their most bourgeois planes

[mvg]

here are their most

Get into at least a wiki. In addition to 10 K aircraft, for all years, there was a bunch of equipment and aluminum. And a lot of things that were not in the USSR ..
At the same time, the planes were not of the same level as the I-153, I-16, LAGG-3, MIG-3., SB and TB. Which actually lost to the Finnish (British) Gladiators and the French MC 406.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: mvg

R-63 is the plane of the end of the war, the best of what was supplied to us.

Is this the one that was brought together by collaboration in collaboration with TsAGI ?. Do you even know that the Yankees themselves did not consider cobras to be an airplane? They were suitable only for small and medium altitudes. They did not go to the American Air Force, but it’s ours, precisely because of the specifics of the fighting

[mvg]

generally aware that the cobras themselves did not count the Yankees for the plane

Therefore, Pokyshkin fought at Arokobra with his crazy second salvo, and shots of hundreds of Kingcobras in the Urals, new, were shown in the documentary.
Practical ceiling, m 11900
Speed ​​at 660
You should at least watch what you write.
And what we changed on the delivered planes is in the blood of the self-made ones. Replace 6 Hurricane machine guns with 2 guns, for example .. Add an armored back, change the radiator.
PS: At the reference !!! La-7, after the war, the speed is lower, the ceiling is 1,5 km lower. Can you tell me how to shoot down Super Strengths by 10 km?

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: mvg

Therefore, Pokyshkin fought on P-39 Arokobra, with his crazy second salvo,

do you fully comprehend my comment?

Quote: Alexander Seklitsky

They were suitable only for small and medium heights. They did not enter the American Air Force, but it’s ours, precisely because of the specifics of the hostilities

It was for the firepower and radio station that the pilots of our air forces appreciated it. They simply put up with its maneuverable qualities.

Quote: mvg

Replace 6 Hurricane machine guns with 2 guns,

6 rifle machine guns !!!! from which there was no sense against Henkel 111.

Quote: mvg

Can you tell me how to shoot down Super Strengths by 10 km?

There was no such task and therefore did not work in this area. As the war in Korea showed, fortresses were dropped only on the road.

Quote: mvg

At the reference !!! La 7, after the war, the speed is lower, the ceiling is 1,5 km

after the war, there was already 9 all-metal with completely different characteristics. And la 7 is 44

[strannik1985]

Aren't you confusing anything? Aunt Vika slanders that the ceiling of R-39 is 9600, and that of La-7 is 11300.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: mvg

And the English Spitfai Hurricanes were in no way inferior to the German

change the training manual. Spitfire yes ... it was equal to bf 109 f. But you don’t need to fill in about chariton. It's sobbed at the level of 16. It is 41 already outdated in all respects.

Quote: mvg

Look at Thunderbolt, we had at least something similar, in terms of engine power, level of armor and weapons.

Another nonsense of the amateur. The essence of the thunderbolt is a heavy escort high-altitude fighter. Its task is to accompany the strategists. Everything ... it can no longer be anything. It was used for attack purposes limitedly, but had little survivability against anti-aircraft fire. Il 2 exceeded it by armor and weapons .

Quote: mvg

Why are we at the end of the war R-63 Kingkoby drove beyond the Urals?

In the "tundra" overtook what? For information, the Royal Cobra is a medium-height fighter. And use it to intercept the idea. If they wanted to, in Mikoyan’s KB, the high-altitude interceptor could be produced in series, they spent the whole war on MIG 3 improving.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

So what? Wikipedia and Yak 3 have a practical ceiling of 10.

[mvg]

yak 3 practical ceiling 10

Which is more than 1000 less. What about weapons? 1x37 + 4x12,5, and the Yak-3 had a machine gun, which was also shot by the ShKAS 20 MM. Comparable? Against an armored bomber? Plus he could take 3x227 bombs, like IL-2
The fortress has 12x12,7 machine guns. And there it is written, Distilled in Transbaikalia. By the way, R-39, which "did not like", just came the most. We were not given the best, but the R-63, THE BEST OF ALL. And the American assembly, there is no need to explain that the reference Yak'i and La were losing to the frontline.
Hurricanes, after replacing machine guns with guns, were quite competitive.

[not main]

Quote: mvg

And the level of Soviet aviation was shown by the Khalkin Goal and the Finnish War. Especially their beginning.

And the letter i completely "fills" you! And Khalkin-Gol and Finnish were in 1939. And how is it to compare 1939 and 1943? There is a lot to explain again, but I will confine myself to a question.

[Shiden]

Quote: non-primary

Quote: mvg

And the level of Soviet aviation was shown by the Khalkin Goal and the Finnish War. Especially their beginning.

And the letter i completely "fills" you! And Khalkin-Gol and Finnish were in 1939. And how is it to compare 1939 and 1943? There is a lot to explain again, but I will confine myself to a question.

And here is the letter or nationality of the commentator. If it is sensible to argue, then Halkin-Gol and Finnish revealed the unpreparedness of the Red Army for a modern war. Remember the battles for Ban Tsagan and watch the battles in the Kovno-Dubno area, an attack by masses of tanks without the support of infantry and artillery and who was the representative On aviation, too, Khalkin-Gol showed the level of Stalin's falcons at the beginning of the conflict, the Japanese won air supremacy, and I don't think that the pilots who served in the MPR were not skilled at being exiled for failing to keep pace with the cordon. from the victory "analyzes, conclusions, analysis caught on when the Wehrmacht captured half of Europe and stood at the borders of the USSR.

[mvg]

letter i completely "fills" you

This is the on-screen keyboard. When a rat quickly clicks. On ordinary, such a mistake can not be made.
The fact that in 39 we barely crushed the Finns, the loss-disaster ratio. But, gained combat experience. And at 41 again, they were lost. And, read how they started on Halkin-Gol, especially in the sky the first sorties. Is it really necessary to chew?

[mitroha]

Are you aware that the states and Anglo-Saxons have dropped more than 2/3

As if an English history book puked

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: Mitroha

As if an English history book puked

Even British scientists puked at these numbers.

[Kasym]

Maxim, the USSR introduced 2 armies to Iran after the Nazi aggression. And it was the Union that destroyed the Kwantung Army of Japan up to 1 mil. soldier.
The Mongols were not under the Japanese - events near Khalkhin Gol.
The Americans sent their help to us and at the same time traded with Hitler. And when the United States entered the war with the Germans - when almost everything had already been decided ?! And how many Americans lost people during WWII - for example, the Kazakh SSR lost more people than the USA ?!
At the expense of Lend-Lease. In 2006 all debts on the Paris Club were paid by Russia.

[1976AG]

He is thoroughly saturated with the western version of those events, it is useless to prove there. He believes that he knows the truth, and the rest are mistaken.

[Shiden]

Sorry to interfere with your dispute. Yes, the Kwantung army was defeated but what this army represented was actually our militia for 41 years. Why doesn’t anyone remember Japan’s oil concessions in northern Sakhalin that closed only 45. This turn turns out to be 41, we already won. And most importantly, the Allies did a lot for the USSR.

[5-9]

The Japanese had nothing better from the ground forces. The basis of the defense of Okinawa was just the old division thrown from the Kwantung Army - the Americans believed that he was there.

[Prisoner]

And where did such an intelligent guy inflate in VO? Although he’s lying. The Anglo-Saxons deprived the Germans of oil. Wait! And you probably don't know about Standard Oil and its role in the production of aviation gasoline? "... Standard Oil regularly supplied the Hitlerite army with various fuels, and supplied the industry with synthetic rubber and various raw materials. Deliveries also went to Italy and Austria. At the same time, during the war years, there were serious problems in the United States with the supply of synthetic rubber for American industry. The war did not prevent Standard Oil, using British intermediaries, to conclude a contract with IG Ferbinindustrie, which allowed the production of aviation gasoline in Germany. So the Luftwaffe planes, which bombed the peaceful cities of the Soviet Union, Great Britain , killed British and American soldiers, received gasoline created by an American corporation. During World War II, not a single Standard Oil tanker was sunk by German submarines. This is understandable - no one chops the branch on which he sits ... "( c) And this is just one of the many Anglo-Saxon companies. p. s: Are you a liberal by any chance?

[Mik1701]

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil. Немного не так. В Великую Отечественную данная компания уже не существовала.

[antivirus]

and the Swedes did not pay for their posts, they began to go to Germany - you can drown them in the Baltic for the bearings of the Messers, etc.

[Victorio]

Quote: mvg

And the states alone coped with Japan,

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they could have done it alone, however, in fact, the countries of the British Commonwealth (autosralia, n-zelandia, india), Mexico, the Philippines, China and Indonesia fought against Japan. plus ussr

[ZAV69]

And where is such a picky grass grown? Or so do the cigarettes from the history textbook affect?
Ignoramus !!!! If the history textbook has been smoked, then look in the dictionary for the definition of the word leasing.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: mvg

And the states single-handedly dealt with Japan, which made it possible to transfer the Far East divisions to the west.

You at least compare the date of the start of the Soviet counteroffensive near Moscow and the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, probably the "Siberian" and "Far Eastern" divisions began their movement to the West, before the United States entered the war with Japan ...
The war in China and Korea in the 45th with the Japanese army showed that the Soviet Union possessed the most powerful continental army .... without which the United States would not have won, on the basis of the fighting in Okinawa, the Americans quickly calculated how much the occupation would cost them Japan ...

And China and Mongolia were under the Japanese, they had no choice.

Well, firstly, not all of China was under Japan, and Mongolia was never under it .... The Soviet Union, even before the Second World War, announced that it would protect the territory of the MPR as its own ....
As one Japanese general said: "On the island of Hasan, the Japanese army received an initial military education, on Hankin-Gol, secondary, there was no desire to receive higher education."

[Lipchanin]

Quote: mvg

And the states alone coped with Japan,

And they defeated the Kwantung army too?

[codetalker]

The news is good. Something like this was expected after the appearance of the Mongolian Armed Forces at the East-2018 exercises.

[unaha]

"Mongolia has also expressed interest in joining this structure" - why should they at all ... Only some kind of counterweight to China ...

[Herman 4223]

We are glad to be friends with everyone, Mongolia, join us!

[rocket757]

It’s normal when everything goes for the good of YOUR country.

[fider]

We look at Wikipedia: Mongolia, a population of 3.17 million people, an army of 10 thousand. A valuable acquisition. Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Mongolia, Lieutenant General Terendajidiyn Bambazhav (since 2009) [32].

[Insurgent]

Quote: fider

We look at Wikipedia: Mongolia, a population of 3.17 million people, an army of 10 thousand. A valuable acquisition.

And you are not looking at Wiki and look at the root

[1976AG]

I’m trying to see the root ... Of course, Mongolia is a friendly state and let them join the treaty, but I can’t understand the practical meaning in any way.

[K-612-O]

Railways, wool, meat, rare earth metals. Or does China need their sub-cellar?

[unaha]

So China picks up. Economically.

[K-612-O]

Here you are not quite right, especially in engineering and energy, our companies work there.

[unaha]

About 70% of Mongolia's exports are to China and a little more than 50% of foreign investment in the economy of Mongolia.
Ours also work, but the share is much lower.

[1976AG]

That is, if Mongolia is a member of the CSTO, then we have the opportunity to cooperate and have access to all this, and if not, then China has access, although Mongolia does not have any alliances with China?

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: 1976AG

but what practical sense I can’t understand in any way.

China considers Mongolia (Outer Mongolia, as they call it) its territory. The Mongols in the CSTO see salvation from China, as before from Japan. And we do not need Outer Mongolia to become part of China, just like Inner Mongolia (province of China).

[Livonetc]

The brain needs to be used, not boiled down.
See a map, explore resources, take an interest in history.

[Lipchanin]

Does your name Zhugderdemidiin Gurragcha not say anything?
This is a Mongolian astronaut.
Under the USSR, the Citizen of Mongolia was given the opportunity to visit space and work at the orbital station.
And now we are going to turn our nose from Mongolia?

[unaha]

The question is not why we need Mongolia - why do we need them. The only visible reason is the counterweight to China. But China usually comes not with weapons, but with a lot of money. How will the CSTO help in this regard?

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: unaha

The question is not why we need Mongolia - why do we need them.

In 1995, Yeltsin suggested Milosovic conclude a mutual assistance agreement. Miloshovich laughed - what for you to us ...

[unaha]

You answered a question that I did not ask. And to which he asked - they did not answer.

[1976AG]

Quote: unaha

The question is not why we need Mongolia - why do we need them. The only visible reason is the counterweight to China. But China usually comes not with weapons, but with a lot of money. How will the CSTO help in this regard?

That is precisely my question.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: fider

Mongolia, the population of 3.17 million people, the army of 10 thousand. Valuable acquisition.

Why are you doing this? You are not 15 years old.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Balts for NATO will be much more valuable than the Mongols for the CSTO.

[gorecc]

I think China will not like it .. they consider Mongolia their future colony)

[Lipchanin]

Quote: ihfhfdghb

Once their ancestors trampled Russia,

Do you have such a good memory?
And the French visited Russia and the Germans. Bulgarians and those in time WWII were against us. Not so long ago, by historical standards.
But it’s not that we are friends, but we cooperate, trade, and develop joint projects.
Or all whom they fought to send to the vegetable?

[Eldorado]

Mongolia is our most reliable ally in the Second World War. Now we will be together again!

[Vyacheslav gomanov]

America is weakened in Mongolia, it pleases.

[Doccor18]

The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) sent an invitation to Mongolia to join this structure.

It was high time to do it.

[ihfhfdghb]

And once upon a time, their ancestors trampled Russia, and now the Allies, well, that's okay.

[K-612-O]

https://russian.rt.com/russia/news/761865-ledokol-rossiya-stroitelstvo

Off-topic of course, but good news. With an initiative!

[Humpty]

Quote from Uncle Lee

In the Great Patriotic Mongolia was the most faithful and disinterested ally!

This is true . But it is also true that, while waving Powell's test tubes, they skipped to Iraq. Modern Mongolia is a typical country from a number of those pursuing a "multi-vector" policy. And why is this place called a vector? It doesn't look like it at all. Does something prevent something from simply having good-neighborly relations, without entering into a military-political alliance? Why tease China?
Putin once said about the distortion of the history of the Great Patriotic War in the presence of a number of (very valuable as allies) CSTO presidents — there would be enough documents for everyone. Some time later, something else was added.
China has long been on the globe. And a lot of documents are stored there too. Not all of them are considered fair in China.

[Fan]

Well, Mongolia is the most devoted country to Russia ..! She is friends with us sincerely and without any .. This is a real ally!

[Ax Matt]

The main thing is to stop eating raw marmots ...

[Krev]

Quote: Ax Matt

The main thing is to stop eating raw marmots ...

There are enough marmots for everyone, it’s not a pity. And some generally eat frogs.

[Fan]

Quote: Krev

Quote: Ax Matt

The main thing is to stop eating raw marmots ...

There are enough marmots for everyone, it’s not a pity. And some generally eat frogs.

By the way, marmot fat and meat are very useful for pulmonary diseases ..
I didn’t google it, but by my own example I know
Groundhog hats were appreciated in the 90s!

[CommanderDIVA]

Apparently, Mongolia’s entry into the Collective Security Treaty Organization is dictated by the growing expansion of China, a rather wise decision by the Mongolian authorities

[faterdom]

Quote: mvg

and Mongolia were under the Japanese, they had no choice.

Stop smoking - and ski!
Samurai campaign in Mongolia ended for them very sadly. At Lake Hassan and on Khalkhin Gol, they received unforgettable impressions that helped Japanese strategists refrain from attacking the USSR from the east, although Hitler tried very hard to push them to this.
If this is called "being under Japan" - then it is yes ... Yes, and China resisted the whole war, and did not plow for Japan, as the Czechs and French did for Hitler.

[Shiden]

Well, in China there is the province of Inner Mongolia called and during the war there was its own government under the patronage of Japan. At the expense of Hassan and Khalkhin-Gol, according to the recollections of the participants in the events, the imperial army officers were at the beginning of the 1st world level, but the Japanese soldier was highly appreciated. You look at the military spending of pre-war Japan the bulk of the funding went to the navy and aviation. to understand where Japan will hit.

[Mark_Verner]

I propose to celebrate Russian-Mongolian unity on August 27)))) Well, to establish a memorial of the Russian-Mongolian brotherhood somewhere on the 24th kilometer of the Kaluga highway)))))) Brothers, we were waiting))))))))

[Fan]

When the Germans drove the Germans from Moscow, the Siberian divisions were equipped with short fur coats with felt boots and draft horsepower (100 thousand were set by the Mongol brothers) ..
All for free .. Thank you Mongols! For some reason, they are often silent about this ..
So that Moscow was defended thanks to deliveries from Mongolia .. Wait, we recognize this! Nemchura in ersatzszynielki huddled with the farmers, etc. ..And the offensive in the crackling frosts of our troops was a shock to them .. Thank you!

[1976AG]

Well then, let's not forget how many of our citizens sent warm things to the front. People often gave the last, so that our guys at the front would be warmer. Doesn't that count? Is it only thanks to Mongolia that our soldiers were shod and clothed? Well, let's not forget about it!

[Avior]

All for free ..

The vast majority for money or barter
Only a small part was donated as a gift

[syndicalist]

Oh, this is the art of heading!
You come on such

Mongolia may become a member of the CSTO.

but it turns out

an invitation was sent to Mongolia to join this structure.

So maybe we will send the same to Germany?

[Smirnoff]

You’ll come to our regiment.

[PValery53]

Friendship with Mongolia should be appreciated. In the difficult year of the USSR for the USSR, they rendered us invaluable help than they could.

[aszzz888]

The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) sent an invitation to Mongolia to join this structure. This is of positive importance for the interests of the Russian Federation.

Definitely and unconditionally. Mongols are tested by time and WWII.