“Time bomb”: Putin spoke about constitutional amendments

The Russian Constitution, adopted in 1993, incorporated a "time bomb". This was stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin in the program "Moscow. Kremlin. Putin", aired on the television channel "Russia 1".

According to the head of state, the possibility of secession of the republics from the Soviet Union was laid in the country's most important document. This Leninist thesis was laid down in 1922 and passed from one Constitution to another, but Russia managed to avoid this.

Lenin rushed with this idea since 1908-1909. It all proceeded from the idea of ​​the nation’s right to self-determination and then transformed into state-building in such a way that when creating a single state, the Soviet Union, in fact, it was about restoring historical Russia in its former borders, the newly created Union republics had the right to exit from it

- Putin said.

At the same time, he stressed that he considers the adopted amendments to the current Constitution to be correct.

I am absolutely convinced that we are doing the right thing, that we are adopting amendments to the current Constitution. They will strengthen our statehood, create conditions for the progressive development of our country for decades to come.

- he added.

Recall that on July 3, Putin signed a decree amending the Russian Constitution, the decree comes into force on the day it is signed. The adopted amendments entered into force on July 4.

Comments

[Kronos]

Again, Putin drives the USSR, not realizing that when someone wants to do something, having the opportunity his law will not stop

[military_cat]

Putin somehow very strangely formulated his message. On the one hand, he reproached the former republics who escaped from the composition in unjustly seized territories. On the other, shit on a glorious past. From the point of view of PR, it did not work out very well.

[Orange bigg]

Putin somehow very strangely formulated his message.

That's for sure. Where should I put the comma in the quote from the text of the Constitution that I give below? And when will they celebrate Constitution Day now? In the Duma and the Federation Council, deputies and senators propose to celebrate July 1 instead of December 12.

MOSCOW, July 4 - RIA News. The text of the Constitution of Russia, as amended by a national vote, was published on Saturday on the official Internet portal of legal information.

"ADOPTED by popular vote on December 12, 1993 with amendments approved IN THE NATIONAL VOTE ON JULY 1, 2020," the document says.

https://ria.ru/20200704/1573879639.html

[Deck]

How the amendments were adopted in a month. so others will cancel them in three days. They wiped their feet on the Constitution.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Deck

How the amendments were adopted in a month. so others will cancel within three days. They wiped their feet on the Constitution.

No, it’s just that the Constitution of December 12, 1993 was changed to the Constitution of July 1, 2020 if you haven’t understood yet. Both of them were adopted during the popular / all-Russian vote.

[iouris]

The expert (the present, and not those who act as Experts) and the profane in one vote. Question: who is more - experts or profane? This will be the result of a (bourgeois-democratic) vote, even in 1993, even today.

[Aleksandre]

Quote: iouris

Question: who is more - experts or profane?

There are still more profane, and they expressed their "fairy" in the only way available to them

[Left shot]

The figures of bullshit voting were not drawn at all popularly.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Deck

How the amendments were adopted in a month. so others will cancel them in three days

For one. Legally, from the point of view of existing laws, they are absolutely insignificant. So any next power (it does not matter what, even the "successor of Mr Putin") will abolish them with one stroke of the pen.

[AUL]

Quote: Deck

They wiped their feet on the Constitution.

And he still talks about mines in the old constitution ... But it’s not safe to take the new one into your hands!

[Deck]

The old Russian amusement to re-stick shelf life on products today has reached a new, state level.

[DVR]

Cockerels sing, grass grows)

[DVR]

Of course it grows :)

[Vend]

Quote: Deck

How the amendments were adopted in a month. so others will cancel them in three days. They wiped their feet on the Constitution.

Don't even throw about it

[hrych]

Quote: OrangeBigg

And when will they celebrate Constitution Day?

Constitution Day has not changed. These amendments adopted by the people cannot be challenged and interrupted by other acts, except for universal suffrage. The constitution was adopted before the amendments .. allegedly also by universal suffrage. Therefore, now everything is done correctly.

Quote: military_cat

On the other, shit on a glorious past

Some kind of heresy. He said about the landmines that ... worked. Or isn’t it?

[Orange bigg]

Constitution Day has not changed.

For how long?

State Duma Vice-Speaker Olga Epifanova proposed to declare July 1 as Constitution Day and make it a day off. At the moment, Constitution Day in Russia is celebrated on December 12 in memory of the Basic Law adopted in 1993.

https://www.mk.ru/politics/2020/07/03/v-gosdume-predlozhili-sdelat-1-iyulya-vykhodnym-dnem-konstitucii.html

MOSCOW, July 3 - RIA News. Constitution Day, celebrated on December 12, can be postponed to July 1 and make it a day off, said Inna Svyatenko, head of the social committee of the Federation Council.

https://ria.ru/20200703/1573851237.html

[Machito]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Constitution Day has not changed.

For how long?

State Duma Vice-Speaker Olga Epifanova proposed to declare July 1 as Constitution Day and make it a day off. At the moment, Constitution Day in Russia is celebrated on December 12 in memory of the Basic Law adopted in 1993.

https://www.mk.ru/politics/2020/07/03/v-gosdume-predlozhili-sdelat-1-iyulya-vykhodnym-dnem-konstitucii.html

MOSCOW, July 3 - RIA News. Constitution Day, celebrated on December 12, can be postponed to July 1 and make it a day off, said Inna Svyatenko, head of the social committee of the Federation Council.

https://ria.ru/20200703/1573851237.html

It is necessary to celebrate Constitution Day twice a year, as the Old New Year. December 12 is Constitution Day; July 1 is Constitution Day.

[military_cat]

Quote: hrych

These amendments adopted by the people cannot be challenged and interrupted by other acts, except for universal suffrage.

These amendments do not need to be challenged on the merits or "interrupted", they can be canceled purely for procedural violations. For example, according to the law, amendments made by one package should be interconnected, which, obviously, was not the case.

If we talk about a "time bomb in the Constitution", then just the current explicit procedural violations can be called such a mine, and God only knows what this can lead to.

[Orange bigg]

These amendments do not need to be challenged on the merits or "interrupted", they can be canceled purely for procedural violations. For example, according to the law, amendments made by one package should be interconnected, which, obviously, was not the case.

These are purely your fantasies. Nobody will cancel anything. Not people for the law, but the law for people. The all-Russian vote, which is the will of the people, is the Supreme Law, which cannot be canceled by any formal procedures. And who, if you fantasize, and why should something be canceled and for what?

[military_cat]

When the Soviet Constitution provided for the right to secede from the republics, they probably also reasoned in a similar way: "Who is this and for what reason would decide to use the right to secede, and who will give it to him?"

[Herman 4223]

Nobody used the right to exit. There the procedure was prescribed, on which everyone laid. The exit of the republics from the USSR was illegal, the dissolution of the state authorities of the USSR was illegal.

[military_cat]

Quote: Herman 4223

Nobody used the right to exit. There the procedure was prescribed, on which everyone laid.

And where was the procedure prescribed?

[Herman 4223]

The procedure for the exit of the republics was prescribed in a special law.

[Souchastnik]

Not people for the law, but the law for people.

What country do you live in? It’s just interesting in which country is the law for people?

[Odysseus]

Quote: military_cat

If we talk about a "time bomb in the Constitution", then just the current explicit procedural violations can be called such a mine, and God only knows what this can lead to.

The current Russian Federation has dozens of practically insoluble problems, but this, in general, is not a problem.
Zeroing and the current political configuration are valid only as long as the regime exists (and it is precisely Putin's regime), all other "amendments" are simply meaningless tinsel that no one will pay attention to.
The absurdity and illegality of their adoption, on the contrary, facilitates their abolition. Just any next power will indicate their illegality and cancel them. Just one decree. 5 minutes after the cancellation, no one will remember them.

[hrych]

Do you think that liberals will replace Putin? Have you heard a lot of propaganda? And if you think for yourself? No, my friend, they’ll come exactly the opposite. It is Putin’s balance that restrains the process of eliminating the class of large owners and their servicing bureaucrats. As if the lanterns were not decorated ... garlands swaying in the wind. At least the power bloc is represented by a patriotic wing and with overwhelming support of the people. Without analogies from Germany, but in fact the Constitution has become ... national-socialist. The social system and state-forming nation through language, as well as the inviolability of the lands of the Empire .. Federation are fixed. And the army providing constitutional gains, to put it mildly ... is invincible, given the strategic nuclear forces and tactical nuclear forces of course.

[stalker 75]

Liberals will not come to replace the path because the liberal himself (in his words) is the only way. But there is one difference between Alex and Volodya - one at the feeding trough and the other not

[hrych]

Quote: stalker 75

there is one current difference between Alex and Volodya - one is at the feeder and the other is not

Well, yes, the truth is another built atomic submarines, deployed 140 combat satellites and bristled with hypersonic gliders, destroyed Ichkeria, returned the Crimea, de facto annexed Transnistria, Donbass, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Those. established control over the Caucasus Range and due to the broken Crimean coastline, half of the Black Sea line is ours, and also control of the Sea of ​​Azov. He also made the Sea of ​​Okhotsk inland, and declared the Arctic to our shelf to the North Pole, captured the Syrian coast and destroyed the Caliphate. Defended Venezuela, and so on the little things, such as Putin's agricultural holdings fed the country and agricultural exports exceeded our decent defense And Lech ate a Doshirak as well no difference

[TAMBU]

You would get off the heroin needle, your world, it will certainly be nicer, but reality does not fit with it at all ...

[hrych]

Quote: TAMBU

Would you get off the heroin needle

Are you from Zhmerynka, is it more visible from there? What did I say wrong? Refute, and do not carry heresy.

[TAMBU]

And that in Zhmerinka, second-class people live who do not understand what is happening in the world and the country? Yes, I'm from Zhmerinka and I know better from here, so what? I also dare to give advice to a citizen from Popovka. Try to look at all these achievements from a different angle. Somewhere you will be more right, somewhere reconsider your attitude to achievements, maybe, for example, regarding Venezuela, Donbass and the Syrian coast. So the real world will take on more real outlines in your ideas, because according to dialectics, all processes have the "other side of the coin" in them. And this is still science ...

[hrych]

I was even surprised that I guessed right The medal is that on this side, and that on that is called Victory. Someone likes, but someone does not, another question.

[TAMBU]

No, I didn’t guess ... this is an example I gave that people live in Zhmerynka and from the fact that they live there their opinion on certain issues also has a place to be ...
victory and does not smell ... it smells of war ... and war is not in the interests of the masses ... but in the interests of units ... someone will certainly like it. Those who earn on it. Are you not one of them?

[hrych]

Are you a pacifist wandered to a military site? That's the site of the militarists The state is not born on paper, it is born on fire. New Russia was born in the vent of the Caucasus; Ukraine died in the vent of Donbass. And this is inevitable.

[Odysseus]

Quote: hrych

Do you think that liberals will replace Putin? Have you heard a lot of propaganda?

I think that you are a good, kind Russian man who is moving away from the current monstrous reality into the world of his dreams and fantasies.
It’s a sin to argue with you, there’s nothing to scold and offend you.
Live happily with your faith. As long as there is still such an opportunity.

[hrych]

What's wrong with you? Disease? I didn’t touch your Israel, I was silent about the Iranian centrifuges and underground rocket mazes. Our liberals have crazy population support ... as much as 2%. I’ll even tell you more, I read a review by Israeli analysts, so they counted Internet statements and polls, including veiled ones, and found that Russian society is saturated with homophobia, anti-liberalism and even anti ... I’m shaking hands, I can’t write

[RosUkrBel]

Yes, the disease they have is called stupidity and stupidity .... Okay, whoever writes any unprovable heresy from abroad, so they support their gouging.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Odyssey

I think that you are a good, kind Russian man who is moving away from the current monstrous reality into the world of his dreams and fantasies.

Leaving, leaving ... I remember very well that Comrade Khrych was very bombed by the pension reform, he went straight to the whole VO, but then the world of dreams and fantasies again defeated the difficult reality

[hrych]

Dmitry Medvedev has already fled for pension reform. Have you thought for what? I can even guess that they were convinced that the Far East should be settled and the old retirement rules apply. I wouldn’t have a long service pension, of course I went there. But this is coercion, unlike a gift hectare. The action with the Far Eastern hectare was also unsuccessful, the people did not break because it is not relevant and there is no desire to peasantry. A hundred years missed. Well, actually the Supreme also has punctures, he is not a saint. And the most important thing is to fix this mistake is not too late. However, amendments to the Constitution were adopted by the overwhelming majority. And if not a retirement puncture, then success would be even greater. A very good reason was given for protest and for destabilization during; World or Great Gas War, where we have the upper hand (one Crimea is worth what) and certainly the setup was Medvedev's. As internal enemies or out of meager mindset it generated (I tend to see a conspiracy), but the setup is serious. Also, information leaked about the elimination of a real conspiracy to change the system. You can find this in the blogosphere for general development and discussion. I am flattered that I remember, but I would like well-reasoned criticism, and not this bowel movement ...

[Elturisto]

You already have a lash ...

[stalki]

For example, by law, amendments made by one package should be interconnected, which, obviously, was not so.

Please share where is it not "interconnected" when it is a single set of laws "Constitution"? And if it is possible in more detail, specifically where and what does not correspond, and what does not correspond, literally the document by which you determined it?

[military_cat]

https://legalacts.ru/doc/federalnyi-zakon-ot-04031998-n-33-fz-o/
Art. 2 p. 2

A specific example of a lack of communication - a responsible attitude towards seals is not interrelated with zeroing.

[stalki]

This is the Constitution. Can't you read? Or just do not understand? And the document you rely on
quote: “.... One law of the Russian Federation on an amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation covers interrelated changes in the constitutional text ...“ Is there even a word about the ban on the adoption of amendments? constituting about any one amendment.

[military_cat]

Quote: stalki

Quote: “....One law Of the Russian Federation on an amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation are covered interconnected changes to the constitutional text ... "Is there even a word here about the ban on the adoption of amendments?

It says the word that non-interconnected amendments to the Constitution should be adopted not by one law, but by a number of individual ones. This requirement has been violated.

[stalki]

I ask again, where is at least one word about the ban? You interpret as you wish. Where is the word "unrelated", where is an indication that amendments should be adopted individually, or should not be accepted in a package. This law regulates the text of the Constitution, its correct editing, integrity and conceptual perception.

[military_cat]

Pretend to be a hose in front of someone else, I'm not very interested in looking at it. All the best.

[stalki]

Firstly, I did not offend you "respected". Secondly, when there are no arguments, this is exactly how they answer, and then they run. Good day to you

[snucerist]

"These amendments adopted by the people cannot be challenged and interrupted by other acts, except for universal suffrage. The Constitution was adopted before the amendments... Allegedly also by universal suffrage. Therefore, now everything is done correctly."
And what could prevent the next heir to the throne from holding a new general vote? On which people, the EU, will gladly vote "for" again? And the new leader will say again that this time it’s for sure “everything was done correctly”?
Will we vote endlessly?

[mdsr]

Quote: hrych

Constitution Day has not changed. These amendments adopted by the people cannot be challenged and interrupted by other acts, except for universal suffrage.

[Alekseev]

"Shit on the glorious past"
If the past were only glorious, then voting on amendments to the constitution or elsewhere would have taken place in the USSR, and not in the Russian Federation.

[doubovitski]

Quote: military_cat

Putin somehow very strangely formulated his message. On the one hand, he reproached the former republics who escaped from the composition in unjustly seized territories. On the other, shit on a glorious past. From the point of view of PR, it did not work out very well.

Unlike you, who is sitting on PR, not even on politics, and especially not on protecting the state, which does not understand the difference in these concepts, you reflect on the usefulness of the statement. You need to think about the usefulness of action. This scumbag, Lenin, created the country from national pieces. Itself has signed decrees on the separation of Poland and Finland, which have the borders of NATIONAL entities. Russia BEFORE him consisted of a single territory without national borders, divided into provinces, not belonging to nationalities. Look at the modern world. Kurds, Irish, Scots, Walloons .... And, on the other hand, for example, our Mordovia. There are three nationalities living there - Moksha, Erzya and Shoksha who have no borders within the republic. And they consider themselves ONE people. Borders within the country, conditional, will sooner or later become unconditional. This is the mine laid by this bastard. So, on whose money did he receive power? In whose interests did the Brest Peace sign? And in whose interests did Russia lead out of the war? And in whose interests did it so that Russia, in the end, fell apart.

[Shuttle]

Quote: doubovitski

Quote: military_cat

Putin somehow very strangely formulated his message. On the one hand, he reproached the former republics who escaped from the composition in unjustly seized territories. On the other, shit on a glorious past. From the point of view of PR, it did not work out very well.

Unlike you, who is sitting on PR, not even on politics, and especially not on protecting the state, which does not understand the difference in these concepts, you reflect on the usefulness of the statement. You need to think about the usefulness of action. This scumbag, Lenin, created the country from national pieces. Itself has signed decrees on the separation of Poland and Finland, which have the borders of NATIONAL entities. Russia BEFORE him consisted of a single territory without national borders, divided into provinces, not belonging to nationalities. Look at the modern world. Kurds, Irish, Scots, Walloons .... And, on the other hand, for example, our Mordovia. There are three nationalities living there - Moksha, Erzya and Shoksha who have no borders within the republic. And they consider themselves ONE people. Borders within the country, conditional, will sooner or later become unconditional. This is the mine laid by this bastard. So, on whose money did he receive power? In whose interests did the Brest Peace sign? And in whose interests did Russia lead out of the war? And in whose interests did it so that Russia, in the end, fell apart.

So it was Ilyich who destroyed "created by the will of the peoples" ?!
From here!

[Herman 4223]

The traitors in power have collapsed.
But the division of the USSR into national republics helped this. If the country was unitary with the division into regions according to large cities, then the collapse would be more difficult at times.

[Shuttle]

Quote: Herman 4223

The traitors in power have collapsed.
But the division of the USSR into national republics helped this. If the country was unitary with the division into regions according to large cities, then the collapse would be more difficult at times.

This country could not be unitary. Because, as before, it was a combination of different principalities, lands, kingdoms, etc. It was born and always grew just like an empire. A real empire that gives all its parts not only its own law, but also its own defense. And to the Finns, and the Ugrians, and the Chukchi, and the Cheschen, and the Ingush, and the Mordovians, and the Uzbeks, and the Buryats. To everyone.

[georgigennadievitch]

The fact that you do not understand much is not a reason for confirming your "misunderstandings" as truth. What today seems to be correct and logical at that time was completely different. Lenin, like the majority of the Bolshevik party (as it later became clear erroneously, because history took a different path)) believed that the revolution in Russia would be followed by a revolution in Europe, and then in the whole world. Hence the logic of his actions. the prototype and a certain core of this future. The world proletarian republic. As for the "Brest Peace", this was the only opportunity to preserve the power already received. Since at that time there was no longer a single state formation, no army, no industry and no opportunity to lead successful hostilities. At the same time, it was clear that Germany was losing the war to the Entente and he hoped that there would be a revolution there after Russia. And so it happened. But the German revolution was suppressed. Soviet Russia unilaterally canceled the agreements of the "Brest Peace". Proceeding from the prevailing reality, the Bolsheviks announced the building of socialism in one separate country. Another thing is that the principle of building the USSR was interpreted by the subsequent party and state leadership of the USSR as a kind of a kind of "sacred cow" , not subject to doubt or revision, although there were time and opportunities for this. And an urgent need for legislative registration arose in the late 80s, early 90s of the last century, when the Communist Party of the Soviet Union really lost its leadership role, and the created in the republics, the indigenous elite began to work on the collapse of the country. And here V. Putin is certainly right. If the principle of "what you came with, with which you leave," the collapse of the USSR would be less painful for Russia and the Russian people. and comp. we were unable to comprehend what was happening and take adequate measures. Therefore, we have what we have.

[Vita vko]

Quote: military_cat

Putin somehow very strangely formulated his message.

Rather, he just doesn't finish. He hopes that the "smart" leaders of the neighboring "independent" states will understand. Unfortunately, there is no smell of real independence there. And the policy of non-interference in internal affairs has led to the fact that, under the influence of Western advisers, aggression and nationalism, or rather, fascism is going off scale there.

[Wertgan]

On the contrary, everything turned out logically and correctly. And your comment is pure nitpicking. Just to reproach, or, in your own words, just to shit, even under the ridiculous pretext "from the point of view of PR."

[Svarog]

Quote: Kronos

Again, Putin drives the USSR, not realizing that when someone wants to do something, having the opportunity his law will not stop

All right. If the power is centralized and it is weak, then the Constitution will not hold. Everything will fall apart. There is no mine in this. There is a zeroing and there was an elbasy, in the Russian version. Only a strong centralized authority is needed. And the fact that he constantly makes excuses about the Constitution speaks volumes ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Svarog

There is no mine in this. There is a nullification and there was an elbasy

Mina in the constitution laid in EBN:

Article 9
2. Earth and others natural resources may be in privatestate municipal and other forms of ownership.

When it exploded, the Russian Federation turned into a country of millions of “poor and disenfranchised” and a small handful of wealthy people for whom these natural resources have become a free gift.
Patching holes in a constitution written in the interests of bourgeois society is a farce. Today, he explains the need for amendments, and two years ago he asked that the adopted pension law be treated with understanding. Interestingly, he will react with understanding when he will be removed from the president’s status and assign payments under the general pension law?
Annoying is not the cynicism of power, but the herd of Russian electorate, who voted with his heart ...

[Thunderbringer]

Quote: ROSS 42

Annoying is not the cynicism of power, but the herd of Russian electorate, who voted with his heart ...

Normally voted for the life in which they live.
Not for the invented chimera of the mummy worshipers, who despise compatriots only because they made a choice different from what the sectarians wanted.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Thunderbringer

despising compatriots only because they made a choice different from what the sectarians wanted.

And you correctly noticed - “despising”. It is disgusting for me and my like-minded people each time to “despise” these “compatriots”, who are called such a word - the language does not turn around, which row with both hands from the Fatherland, but live in order not to embarrass others, away from this Fatherland, and everyone is surprised why no one loves them nouveau riche in Russia.

[DVR]

What have you been doing all this time ???

[Achilles]

Quote: Svarog

All right. If the power is centralized and it is weak, then the Constitution will not hold. Everything will fall apart. There is no mine in this.

You do not understand the essence of the issue, there is a big difference in which territories the collapse will happen, Putin says everything correctly, if everything was correctly written in the USSR constitution, then when the USSR and Russia collapsed, the territories that belonged to it would be returned, this is the whole east and south -tail of Ukraine (this is the entire industrial territory) and Crimea, respectively. Do you feel the difference or not? At that time, these are very highly industrialized developed territories, if you don’t understand these elementary things, then don’t have to carry here a fight about the absence of mines in the USSR constitution

[Herman 4223]

Be careful with such comments here the whole site smelled of fat

[Wertgan]

Not this way. This all speaks of something else. The fact that the Topvar site, having gathered around itself several people who leave negative comments, forms the corresponding public opinion. Deeply unpatriotic public opinion. By the way, Topwar, is this the media?

[DVR]

If the power is centralized and it is weak, then the Constitution will not hold. Everything will fall apart. There is no mine in this. There is a zeroing and there was an elbasy, in the Russian version.

Jump, Svarog) Do not be a sucker.

[Ryaruav]

kronos is one of not many cases when he is right, no international - only the province

[Kronos]

There are only provinces in empires and kingdoms, and then, for example, in Britain, Scotland has greater autonomy because otherwise it would have been long ago

[Ryaruav]

it’s not the name of the province or something else, but no small presidents, the division is not based on nationality but on territorial

[Polymer]

Yes, which proves the conspiracy in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. But for some reason Vladimir Vladimirovich decided to blame everything on Lenin, and he was modestly silent about those three. But they violated the laws then in force ... and their powers were greatly exceeded. But now - Lenin, you see, they are to blame for everything!

[hrych]

It is just that Lenin, with his right of nations to self-determination, gave rise to the Belovezhsky collusion. Well, the national policy of the Bolsheviks led to collapse. What is not clear?

[Polymer]

Well then, let's pose the questions like this: should nations not have the right to self-determination? Are Russians a nation? Do Russians also have no right to self-determination?

[hrych]

The right to statehood must be won and defended. The Russians have won and defended this right, more than once in the last millennium. So please try. Here Ichkeria tried. It didn’t work out. They tried a number of khanates, now break off. Of the Union republics, only the Russian Federation took place as a state and even a superpower, the rest are mired in degradation, territorial claims, etc. Sooner or later, they will lose statehood. The Balts have already lost their statehood and become the backyard of the EU. Ukraine is in chaos, under external control. The Transcaucasian republics are at war. CA is the land of migrant workers and awaits bloodshed and chaos. On the whole, it is holding back the Russian protectorate and our military bases, as it is holding back the war for Karabakh. Therefore, the keys to the Caucasus and the SA in Moscow. The protectorate will weaken, the Chinese will privatize ...

[Polymer]

Quote: hrych

The right to statehood must be won and defended.

In principle - I agree.

Quote: hrych

The Russians have won and defended this right, more than once in the last millennium.

I also agree, but here it smacks of Nazism. Anyway.
Only with this approach is a war of all against all, endless. Attempts to take away the "right to statehood" from the Russians will never stop. And if you like such a world, then what are the claims to the neighbors? They act strictly according to the principles you have voiced. They just do it their own way, as best they can.
The USSR was an attempt to build another world, on the basis of cooperation, and not confrontation. Yes, not yet succeeded. But I really hope that this attempt was not the last.

[hrych]

Quote: Polymer

USSR and was an attempt to build another world

At the expense of Russia and on the wreckage of Russia. Bzhizik also spoke of the New Order. We set up factories, schools, sent teachers and doctors. Several decades have passed and there are no factories ... The republic with the highest percentage of people with higher education has become a leader in the percentage of migrant workers. Okay, industry, but a dead science is a dead future. And he is not. Only the prospect of backwardness and obscurantism. The Russian people overstrained to drag on themselves all, including Eastern Europe and troglodytes from other continents. Therefore, when this collapsed, it turned out that the Russian Federation has a self-sufficient economy. Here in the single-industry towns closed the steel mill. The witness himself. For a single-industry town, trouble and sadness. But according to steel, we are self-sufficient and leaders in export. And where else is steel? For free troglodytes? Like that. A protectorate and military bases in the SA and the Caucasus are enough.

[Polymer]

Quote: hrych

Here in the single-industry towns closed the steel mill. The witness himself. For a single-industry town, trouble and sadness. But according to steel, we are self-sufficient and leaders in export. And where else is steel? For free troglodytes? Like that.

And in these single-industry towns - aren't Russians really living? And you seriously declare that you can neglect the vital interests of these Russians for the interests of the whole country ?! Strange logic. And yet you can blame the Bolsheviks for something?
Regarding the worries "where the rest of the steel" - to the domestic market, for example ... yes, this will not turn out to be big profits for some oligarchs, but do you really care about this more than the welfare of ordinary residents of those monotowns?

[hrych]

In single-industry towns and Russians, many Tatars and Ukrainians traveled for a large ruble. And I say not to neglect, but an objective reality that you need exactly as much to provide for yourself and the level of export. There is no need to melt the rest of the steel. When the Union was steel was and sundry and at the expense of us, and here the ridge and tore. The domestic market consumes exactly as much as the market requires. Where is the excess? This surplus must be extracted, transported, energy consumed for smelting, serviced facilities and paid wages. What about coke? This steel is not free. It’s easier just to pay people, it will be cheaper. Again, others will be offended. Also, steel capacities, even if they are worth it, require costs. Therefore, they closed it. And the fact that light industry was placed near the Baltic states, Hungarians, etc., and in the RSFSR, heavy industry is hypertrophied. The rest of the hot shop is contraindicated, they are in suits on the Wef ... and the Russians and Tatars in the tarpaulin boots ... no, enough to work on parasites. Monotowns are resettled, yes, it’s stress, but you won’t do anything.

[Polymer]

Quote: hrych

And I say not to neglect, but objective reality

The same thing that "the rest did not fit into the market." Yes, you heard ...

[stalker 75]

rf is a superpower? what did you use?

[hrych]

Quote: stalker 75

rf is a superpower? what did you use?

A state with nuclear warheads of strategic nuclear forces and nuclear weapons exceeding all taken together on the planet is called a superpower. The state has the largest territory on Earth, almost the size of the PRC and the USA combined a priori as a superpower. Few? The state is a leader in the export of hydrocarbons, fertilizers, nuclear fuel, and wheat. Russia leads in a number of areas of non-ferrous metallurgy, including aviation titanium and titanium structures. The second in the arms market and controls a quarter of the market. Those. a major player in the global economy, including advanced technologies that are weapons, nuclear and space rocket industries. Russia ranks fifth in the world in terms of physical gold reserves, and Russia's gold and foreign exchange reserves take fourth place in the world in total gold and foreign exchange reserves. GDP per capita at purchasing power parity in the real sector of the economy is equal to the United States and exceeds China. Therefore, the Russian Federation is an economic superpower, no matter who speaks and considers GDP not by PPP and the real sector ...

[voyaka uh]

"Therefore, the Russian Federation is an economic superpower" ////
----
Only the ruble - for some reason, wooden.
Therefore, this economic superpower is selling its
natural resources for dollars and euros.
And on them he buys cars and electronics from the wealthy Nesuperpowers.

[hrych]

Quote: voyaka uh

Only the ruble - for some reason, wooden

Is the yuan iron? They underestimate the yuan and the United States swear. How so? Why didn’t they ask the warrior? It is a normal policy to undervalue your currency in order to support your producer. And so that imports go up. Very successfully carried out import substitution underreporting. You're kidding, and the EU has flown 100 billion and forever lost its market. Sell ​​resources? But what about the mighty USA trying to prevent us from selling our resources in order to sell our own? Did not think? This is when, at EBN, they bought products from the West and sold hydrocarbons with this money, it was fun. Now we are not buying food, but are selling, but the EU is buying hydrocarbons, and put it in our products. This is called loss and disaster. Britain fled for a reason, and the EU went bankrupt precisely because of the economic war. Israel wants to trade gas, how so? This is shameful. And under Putin, 42 refineries were built from scratch for the production of petrochemicals. Read here:
https://www.politforums.net/internal/1592461671.html
Consumer electronics and cars, you probably top NTP. This is a household product and most brands are produced at Russian enterprises. The top of the NTP is the nuclear, aerospace, aviation and other military industries. Doubt that the Russian Federation makes good fighters with remarkable avionics? Doubt what makes the best air defense systems? Doubt that we can make rockets? Doubt what we do atomic submarines? And what are our wonderful ATGMs better to ask you.

[3danimal]

Avionics is just not advanced. Radar with AFAR, as an example.
Lost leading positions in commercial launches into orbit. (And now there is no reason to believe that the situation will change).
There is no heavy launch vehicle to carry out the lunarly announced (constantly shifting time) lunar program.
The economy is very ... compact, for 140+ million people. The budget is $ 260 billion, Sweden, for example, has 230 (and 10 million people).
Territory .. Look at the population density map. Most of the territories are unsuitable for living and empty.
How about promises to enter the top five economies? A superpower must have an appropriate (over) budget. For the USA it is $ 3500 billion, for China - $ 2600 billion. I will never catch them with the existing system.

[hrych]

An example is extremely flawed because the PFAR Irbis is the most long-range. Those. gives the Su-35 the main advantage: to see the first and attack immediately with the X-172 missile. Therefore, the enemy with your "best" avionics is a complete corpse. On commercial launches again delirium. Atlas and Antares fly on our engines. And the buildings, incl. American carriers are made on Avisma. In 2019, the leader of the launch vehicles Soyuz. On the whole, we have surpassed the Americans, and what the Chinese leaders are launching there, we still need to see. Continuous accident rate. Two recognized themselves, while the Americans counted more. Also, the Chinese are learning from the Americans to make movies about space.
Here they stand and do not even depict weightlessness
https://youtu.be/5gSThHQ2-IE
And here on an inflatable rug depict weightlessness https://youtu.be/BhxLyR-TY5E
Here is the same inflatable mat and gravity in place
https://youtu.be/EI-Vp8Ks3eg
There are bubbles and earth without atmosphere
https://youtu.be/2ZSOtW_ZVCs
And here is the lunar Chinese epic
https://youtu.be/PuM_IYt9mis
Enjoy.
Therefore, wait for the Chinese to cite as an example. At a speed they fly in spacesuits purchased from us, or rather, they pretend to fly. The Americans chartered seats in the Union again, despite the successful launch of Musk, they continue to insure themselves. There is our contribution to the rover, etc. Therefore, at least, what seems to you there, Russia will remain the leader in Cosmonautics in terms of the total contribution to the world industry. Which provides manned flights of Americans and Europeans. And the existence of the ISS is critically dependent on the Russian Federation. And it’s stupid to count the number of starts - it’s not clever ... I’m not even going to talk to you on the budget. You are not aware of purchasing power parity. And for some reason, Sweden so rich cannot afford the construction and maintenance of dozens of nuclear submarines, cannot drag out a space program, contain a millionth army, etc. Throughout the territory, if we take the USA, the oceans are densely populated, deserts, mountainous and sandy. Google: Arizona Deserts, California Deserts, Nevada Deserts, New Mexico Deserts, Oregon Deserts, Utah Deserts, Kau Desert, Maine Desert. In China, most of the territory is occupied by deserts, including mountain deserts. And now we take Russia and are surprised. Most of the favorable lands suitable for living in the World are in Russia. Perhaps only the Arctic Circle, Duc, and Canada has an Arctic Circle and the United States (Alaska) and Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland. Did not know? But we still have more than a dozen cities beyond the Arctic Circle. And there, in these icy deserts, there are still super-reserves of fish resources and fossil minerals. This is bad? Our country has the largest reserves of fresh water in the world. One Baikal is worth it. And huge rivers cut through the whole territory. Russia also owns about 1/5 of the world's timber reserves, because forests occupy almost half of the country. And smart people know that where the trees grow, there is a good climate with soil favorable for human life. According to the system. We’ll figure it out without you.

[3danimal]

You confuse the meaning of “makes a contribution” and “is a leader.” The leader in commercial launches is SpaceX, which has been using its engines from the very beginning. RD-180 was created as part of the Russian-American consortium, it is used for the first stages of the American missiles you mentioned only (features of ownership).
The "huge" range of PFAR Su-35 refers to aircraft with an EPR of the order of 20m2 (AWACS Hokai). Against modern fighters of the 4th generation, it is at the level of 150-200km, against the inconspicuous fifth — it is still 5-2 times less.
Significantly lower selectivity, fewer targets being tracked, the absence of an LPI mode that allows for a covert attack with missiles from an ARL seeker. PFAR is becoming obsolete, as has the radar with SCAR earlier.

[hrych]

You confuse it. I am talking about the total contribution to the industry. And the carrier Antares flies on our engine NK-33. Not only Atlas on RD-180. According to avionics, our microwave guns already burn all the electronics at a distance of 10 km. A high-altitude thermo-nuclear explosion, due to EMR, burns all electronics over Britain, for example. Therefore, in our aircraft, as well as other equipment, super-maneuverability and resistance to EMR damage are laid. Those. early cannons to write off. Our radars are the best. Both ZGRLS type of a spatial wave the Container and the Wave, and a surface wave like the Sunflower. Unlike the enemy, they give exact coordinates and are ready to work in guidance of air defense and anti-aircraft defense means. And not just warn of an attack. Also, modular Voronezh in the SPRN system does not have anything like that of the enemy. Our anti-ship missiles are supersonic, and they still work in a flock. There is nothing like this in the military arsenal of the enemy. So we are already switching to hypersound. GLONASS deployed, etc. Our Nudol and S-500 also lifted the bar so much that the enemy was terrified. Therefore, the myth of the backlog of our combat electronics is posted by foolish people. A breakthrough is also announced in our photon radar. Excellence in electronic warfare systems, unlike you, the Americans admitted. They tried so hard with electronics, and we tried to disable it. For ZGRLS generally do not care about stealth, you do not believe that the Su-35 sees it, well believe in the stealth religion, but with the same success, the Su-35 can have external guidance from the Sunflower. Hokai and Sentry are the ones who stealth. Without them, Stealth is a blind kitten, and if he turns on his radar it is no longer invisible, but like a fanar shines. So Irbis in combination with the X-172 having a range of 400 km, like these AWACS aircraft, was intended to bring them down before. And they are fat hens, and they themselves shine with their radar. A blinded stealth will be forced to cut their radar and low performance characteristics, like sheep in front of wolves. About obsolescence PFAR complete nonsense. No AFAR can be compared with its range. Also, they are designed specifically for stealth tracking by catching backlight from other radars, including powerful ground-based and other VFARs. You have the pinnacle of electronics in your head, but that’s not the case. Combat electronics has other assessment criteria. And the Union was ahead of the west in aviation by avionics. We were the first to equip with digital communication, we were the first to use phased arrays in radar. And you live in myths. On an uninhabited territory. It was the people who were not the biggest who could chop off the best lands of the planet. Where volcanoes are only on the outskirts, like a small seismically active zone, temperate climate, chernozems, forests and bowels, minuscule poisonous reptiles and insects. Russians, for all that, are one of the most numerous mono-ethnic groups. Although officially inferior to the Han, Hindustan and Bengalis. But the Han people are 8 different ethnic groups. And the northern Hindustani are semi-mongoloids, and the southern semi-Negroids with the Dravidian primate. A similar situation with the Bengalis. Therefore, the Russians have a good perspective and the quality of the population is normal, and living space has been conquered. What dreamed of milking his own, for example Hitler. And without you we decide what to do with the bowels of the earth. Descendants will decide. Now they are secured with a powerful nuclear arsenal and delivery vehicles, including the Apocalypse torpedo, as well as constitutional amendments. Sechas Russians in the Russian Federation 81%, and the Slavs 83%. However, 2 million Crimean Slavs, 4 million Slavic LDNR, another half million Transnistrians will increase the share of Slavs in the mono-ethnic state. Drying Ukraine will bring the Slavic population of the Russian Federation to 90%. Therefore, rumors about the death of Russia and its state-forming people are very exaggerated. What about the Swedes?

[3danimal]

About the high-altitude NUCLEAR explosion over Britain: does this not mean the beginning of the war and the answer is already with their missiles, all of which are located on the SSBNs (and are invulnerable)?
It is difficult to communicate with a nationalist ...

[hrych]

I'm hypothetically. It is simply the work of EMP to cover large countries with one high-altitude explosion. Nobody is going to fight. The main thing is that they don’t have a desire to creep into our Heartland. At least trump against the war among the Caucasians. But Trump himself is moving everything towards the issue of using tactical charges against third countries. They are here to bomb the Chinese. And it is right. We also need this. Here is north of our Syrian Autonomous Republic and there is a country south of our Syrian Autonomous Republic where it is desirable to smear a vigorous bonboy. SSBN and we have in stock. But we Poseidon not only try on their metropolises, but also on the patrol places of their SSBNs. We do not need to get into their Wangert or Ohio, we need to blow up the square (or rather the circle), where this thing is supposedly hiding. Well, the Containers should fix their launches, Voronezh their flight, and the case of Nudoli and military lasers completely burned them. If the missiles are intercepted, then the SSBNs are useless. So the United States thought with its SDI, and we do.

[3danimal]

You want to say that we got an impenetrable missile defense ??
Why do you give out secrets? Nobody knows.
Forget about the stereotypes of the 19th and first half of the 20th century. Territories now do not automatically bring wealth. An example is Japan, which abandoned expansionism and became the 3rd economy in the world. As well as Germany - 4th, by the way.

[3danimal]

About PFAR: I assure you, when they begin to install AFAR in a sufficient amount and with us (and everything goes to that), you will begin to paint its advantages with the same ardor. Indeed, the relevant patriotic resources will change the agenda

[hrych]

Our AFAR is already on the Su-30 and so on. Understand finally that the PFAR Mig-31 and Su-35 gives them a certain specialization. Which AFAR will never be able to fulfill. AFAR for multipurpose is certainly preferable and they are normal with us. Listen, if you say so, then go to your Israeli patriotic website and praise each other with the Professor. I bring you arguments, and you were drawn to slogans. It’s always like this when you are doing it in arguments.

[3danimal]

I repeat: over time, the radars of the 35th and 31st will be replaced with the AFAR, and no specific specialization will be (unexpectedly for someone) needed.
All these are justifications in the spirit: "the new is not enough, because the old has unique characteristics, and not in connection with the lag in development and production." It is so transparent same ..
Finally, take an interest in the principles of work.

[hrych]

Well, as I explained to you, no, you don’t understand. You simply do not know the difference between a stratospheric interceptor and an attack aircraft. What is specialization. Your phrases, they say, take an interest leave yourself. Could not keep the discussion, no arguments, go plant the radish in the kibbutz

[3danimal]

In the Krasnoyarsk speck of kibbutz, as far as I know. And I have never been interested in farming. So man Nazi, keep your advice to yourself

[3danimal]

Actually, I heard from you a whole mini-theory on the theme of “nations, blood and soil”, and also cited Hitler as an example.

[hrych]

Isn't Hitler a historical character? And you can’t even mention him? Urgently to the kibbutz.

[3danimal]

About stealth: sometimes try to think with your own head, and not with stamps, to look for information, for example - the basics of radar.
Any radar sees "stealth", only the distance is greatly reduced (from the norm - in proportion to the root of 4 degrees from the reduction of the EPR for a given wavelength).

[hrych]

So listen to me. PFAR with power is seeking to increase the detection range of this rubbish versus AFAR. And understand one thing, that ZGRLS sees nothing to them. Not that wavelength, and therefore in the attack on the Russian Federation and others, there is no surprise. And if the squadron crosses our border, then warheads will fly forward to Washington. Turn on your head.

[3danimal]

How fast are you. So in Washington they immediately learn about the launches and launch their missiles. Do you even have a family, so rash to argue?
The second point: the USA has no territorial claims against us (unlike China). So clashes can occur over the territories of third countries.

[hrych]

The kibbutz, Trump and Putin will agree with C without you.

[3danimal]

Spit on power, the main thing is efficiency. Now everyone has a device in their pocket that is several times more productive than supercomputers from the 80s (and even 90s) that consume many kilowatts of energy.
Take the trouble to learn how to work.
There is instrumental data on detection ranges for Irbis, for different EPRs. And they are not impressive, against the background of the parameters of American AFAR. Physics has no national preferences, bare numbers.

[3danimal]

“Drying” Ukraine, and Belarus how?
About all kinds of abreks: I remember the numerous videos where the Slavic guys (in the army) stand in a row, and a couple of “abreks” draw “Dagestan” on their backs. We have no problems, you say?

[hrych]

Belarus is ours, the main thing is not yours. Dagestan is no longer painted. I don’t know. And in general you carry some kind of snowstorm. Had he remembered? No more arguments.

[3danimal]

Explain: Whose Belarus? I thought it was my own. This makes me neither cold nor hot: I can come on a Russian passport without visas. And what does "not yours" mean? What nonsense?
Further: hazing, which is of a pronounced national character. Which indicates the presence of problems. As well as the motivation of such fighters.

[hrych]

The topics that you’re talking about here are not interesting to me. Hazing is now a rare occurrence and I don't care about it. When you get the bullet (not you) ... the analog head off and your supercomputer is useless. Belarus is actually on a balance sheet, there is even an agreement on a union state. Lukashenko is our capricious top manager. Do not believe? Google itself statistics on the military industry, the economy, etc. I repeat, this is not interesting to me. Let’s talk about your kibbutz, it’s more interesting for me. As the radish grows there. Moreover, you are not strong in phased arrays. Voronezh phased array. Don, Container and Sunflower, all are phased arrays. S-400 has one of the radars a phased array. And everywhere the performance characteristics are the best. Your iPhone, well, go Taliban defeat them. They will quickly determine this iPhone where to put you You are fighting with your iPhone (maybe Samsung) here in VO, but unsuccessfully. There will be information about the kibbutz, write. I don’t need your knowledge about AFAR, and there’s no reason to discuss Hitler with you. Only about the kibbutz.

[3danimal]

I will surprise: Xiaomi 10pro. And you, I suppose, a stiff Yotaphone?
I remember that in Nazi Germany, one scientist (an analogue of our Lysenko) began to accuse opponents of doing “Jewish physics”, calling it “white Jews”. Your approach is very similar (and primitive). No wonder Hitler noted
About AFAR: it seems to me that you generally do not really need knowledge, just a mental “chewing gum” from unpretentious resources.

[3danimal]

See the map of the density of settlement in the territory of the Russian Federation (you can compare with the American one). Most of them are not populated, the whole north is not suitable for living (Perhaps only at the cost of huge investments and further expenses for maintaining the complexes).
The presence of natural resources does not automatically lead to the first role in the economy.
Sweden puts priority on the standard of living of citizens (not a handful of the elite, but all).
About faculty: the trick is that salaries of, say, doctors, but imported medical equipment (what kind of tomographs firms are in our hospitals?), Cars, modern trains, turbines of power plants can be scanty — we all get them at the same prices as the Swedes . Thus, the average Russian needs to work much longer to buy the conventional Solaris than the average Swede (the average Indian generally sews up, although the PPP modifier is huge).

[Elm]

My minus, sitting in Israel-sit and keep quiet ....

[3danimal]

You still about "a little bad" do not forget to add, do not be shy

[Thunderbringer]

They Lenin is a taboo. Just mention, then violent salivation with a spray of it begins.
As befits sectarians are vicious, aggressive, but fortunately oak-headed.

[Egoza]

Quote: Polymer

But for some reason Vladimir Vladimirovich decided to blame everything on Lenin

And what about I.V. Stalin will not remember who was against the possibility of secession from the state?

[Sergej1972]

Read Stalin’s speech on the 1936 draft USSR Constitution before affirming this. In practice, both Lenin and Stalin were against the exit, but for political reasons they recognized the formal legal right to exit.

[Achilles]

Quote: Polymer

Yes, which proves the conspiracy in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. But for some reason Vladimir Vladimirovich decided to blame everything on Lenin, and he was modestly silent about those three. But they violated the then applicable laws ...

The conspiracy was of course, but under the current constitution of the USSR, it does not say that in the event of a republic of the SSR leaving, it leaves the territories with which it entered, and Putin says that the main blame lies with Lenin because he is the author of the first constitution that was in the USSR.

[Polymer]

Quote: Achilles

then she leaves with those territories with which she entered

And this clause, in your opinion, could prevent the possibility of a Belovezhsky collusion?

[Achilles]

Quote: Polymer

And this clause, in your opinion, could prevent the possibility of a Belovezhsky collusion?

No, of course, but then the whole East and Southeast of Ukraine returned to Russia (these are developed industrial territories) and not only these territories, but all the territories that were given to the republics of the SSR as part of the USSR

[Polymer]

The tragedy is the collapse of the USSR itself. Indeed, the analogy with divorce suggests itself. In your opinion, if you draw up a marriage contract in advance, then each of the spouses will remain "with their own." But for me, the point is that the marriage broke up, and not which spouse grabbed what during the divorce.

[Achilles]

It is not correct to compare the collapse of the USSR with the divorce of spouses

[Odysseus]

Quote: Achilles

The conspiracy was of course, but under the current constitution of the USSR, it does not say that in the event of a republic of the SSR leaving, it leaves the territories with which it entered, and Putin says that the main blame lies with Lenin because he is the author of the first constitution that was in the USSR.

Please do not dishonor your proud antique name.
Do not write such nonsense anymore. You have one sentence with five statements like 2+ 2 = 5.

[Achilles]

Do not carry nonsense

[Odysseus]

Quote: Achilles

Do not carry nonsense

Then change the nickname. I am ashamed to bear the proud name of Achilles and write such nonsense.
After all, your statements are not liberal and not socialist, not anti-Soviet and not Soviet. They are simply untrue and absurd. You do not understand what you are trying to write about.

[tatra]

Your anti-Soviet, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people are an excuse for the criminals of the Soviet and post-Soviet period, including, in this case, Putin and those who assent to him, justify the separatist criminals who divided the USSR into 15 separate States. And unlike the anomaly of humanity, the enemies of the USSR on the territory of the USSR, separatists in world history have always been and are considered state criminals.

[Tank hard]

Quote: tatra

the territory of the USSR, separatists in world history have always been and are considered state criminals

However, all three who took part in the "meeting" for the collapse of the USSR, called the "Belovezhskaya Agreements" on December 8, 1991, were "top" party officials of the CPSU, as well as the rest of the leaders of the "sovereign" republics. Huh? But Kolchak is not with Wrangel, and the like. Not! Your communists destroyed the USSR and participated in the privatization of the wealth of the Great Country. Yours!

[Wertgan]

And what do you think he could say? To criticize "the most sacred"? On the First President of Russia and the first presidents of the republics? It is naive to think that this is possible. He, perhaps, could say so if he felt the support of the people - if the turnout in Moscow were 90 percent. But alas ... Before the referendum people scolded him for one thing ... After the referendum they scold him for another ... Maybe you just don't like it? The same happens, it's normal. A deep personal dislike, you know.

[ul_vitalii]

Quote: Kronos

Again, Putin drives the USSR, not realizing that when someone wants to do something, having the opportunity his law will not stop

Probably drive you, he still put a road sign "brick", come on "optimist" break and incite.

[Snail N9]

Well, yes, Lenin is to blame for everything ..... The USSR did not produce anything except "rubber galoshes" ....., yeah, we know, we know ..... a bad constitution that was zeroed for 20 years prevented them from feeding schoolchildren with hot meals ... a "time bomb" in fact, now, in the Kremlin and in bureaucratic offices ...

[Grandfather]

The results of the vote showed that there is no single people, there are millions who disagree with Putin and his policies, and this is a problem. There are few who want to fight for Sechin and Miller, but there are a lot of people who want to warm the little hands on the budget. in a strange way, Putin leads the country.

[Thunderbringer]

Not this way.
There are tens of millions of consonants. There are millions who disagree.
And there are thousands of sectarians-destroyers who are stubborn for the whole brain. That across the throat is generally everything that happens in our country.
Millions of dissenters are only in their heads. It’s necessary to explain your own epic failure for yourself, to calm yourself.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: Thunderbringer

Not this way.
There are tens of millions of consonants. There are millions who disagree.
And there are thousands of sectarians-destroyers who are stubborn for the whole brain. That across the throat is generally everything that happens in our country.
Millions of dissenters are only in their heads. It’s necessary to explain your own epic failure for yourself, to calm yourself.

[stalki]

Beauty, the bot drives the bot Well, they’ve been killed.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Not this way.
There are tens of millions of consonants. There are millions who disagree.
And there are thousands of sectarians-destroyers who are stubborn for the whole brain. That across the throat is generally everything that happens in our country.
Millions of dissenters are only in their heads. It’s necessary to explain your own epic failure for yourself, to calm yourself.

[Orkraider]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Not this way.
There are tens of millions of consonants. There are millions who disagree.
And there are thousands of sectarians-destroyers who are stubborn for the whole brain. That across the throat is generally everything that happens in our country.
Millions of dissenters are only in their heads. It’s necessary to explain your own epic failure for yourself, to calm yourself.

Come on?
But the survey on VO shows other numbers ..

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Come on?
But the survey on VO shows other numbers ..

And now, I posted the data from the city resource where 175625 people. subscribers, you want to blame me for lying? The number of voters was 1968 people. Moreover, people are completely different, but in VO there is still a certain type of people, well, not everyone is interested in the army.

[Polymer]

Quote: Dead Day

few people want to fight for Sechin and Miller, but there’s a lot to warm the little hands on the budget

An identical reason for the very "collapse of the USSR", is not it? There were many who wanted to take over the public good, but there were very few to care for the interests of the people. So the question is still open, who is actually laying "time mines".

[Vadim237]

There are tens of millions for and a dozen against - the former are doing the latter how not to put up with the new constitution, and nothing will hinder it. And all your creaks and complaints on the network will remain an empty place with zero efficiency.

[Gardamir]

.nullified for 20 years, the poor constitution prevented schoolchildren from feeding hot lunches.

In connection with the adoption of an amendment to the Constitution on the protection of animals, volunteers today brought fodder to animal shelters, Russia 24.
Well, yes, the old Constitution did not allow them to ...

[Wertgan]

Dear, he really twenty years interfered with the constitution. After all, whatever one may say, it was accepted by the people. It also hindered that the people themselves decided to ruin the country and still, by and large, continue to do so. Just recently here, on Topvar, an article was published on referenda held in the history of Russia. So the author, with a blue eye, writes that in the referendum of 1991, people voted to preserve the USSR! And comments rained down ... Yes, yes! We voted! For the USSR! The people still do not understand what they voted for, and people have not read the constitution at all and are not going to read it. Why read if you can blame the government? Well?

[Vicontas]

Something always disturbs a bad dancer.

[Wertgan]

He is just a good dancer. The dog barks, the caravan goes on. His words.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Kronos

Again Putin drives the USSR,

Either not understanding, or pretended to not understand.
Lenin did not build an empire, not a unitary state, but the Union of Independent States. And therefore, the right to withdraw from the Union is quite logical. Hence the reproach against him is simply stupid.

[Wertgan]

Well yes! Such a handsome man! Freedom fighter. I decided to reformat the millennial country!

[lopvlad]

Quote: Kronos

not understanding that when someone wants to do something having the opportunity his law will not stop

It’s one thing that the Constitution stipulates that the republics have the right to forcefully leave the country and it’s completely different when this right is not. For me, the worst thing is that the procedure for this exit was not prescribed with the right to leave the USSR.
Do you think the republics would have been blamed if it was written there that the republics have the right to exit only with the lands with which they were part of Russia?

I always believed and still think that in the early 90s it was not the collapse of the USSR but the collapse of Russia, when the national republics rushed to seize the Russian lands.

[hermit]

USSR Law of 03.04.1990 No. 1409-I ON THE PROCEDURE FOR RESOLUTION OF ISSUES RELATED TO THE EXIT OF THE UNION OF THE USSR FROM THE USSR https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE % D0% BD_% D0% A1% D0% A1% D0% A1% D0% A0_% D0% BE% D1% 82_03.04.1990_% E2% 84% 96_1409-I

[good]

Quote: Kronos

Again, Putin drives the USSR, not realizing that when someone wants to do something, having the opportunity his law will not stop

But the creators and followers were really stupid. Moreover, the good Lenin generously gave away territories like Stalin, and as a result of whom they gave most of all and crap.

[Wertgan]

They are not crap now. They defend their interests.

[businessv]

Quote: Kronos

Again Putin drives the USSR

Yes, he doesn’t like the Union, he never hid it. Yes, and also drives to Lenin - probably jealous (just kidding).

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Calm - a nullified sapper cleared everything.

[About 2]

In fact, this rogue only pretends that he does not understand. After spending 20 years in power, he never led the country to economic leaders and constantly lied, lied and lied, but now he decided to stay in power until they put his feet forward, zeroing is the whole point his amendments.

[Smolin]

I would register the monarchy and the right to inherit the throne by children in the constitution and deal with the end.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Smolin

I would register the monarchy and the right to inherit the throne by children in the constitution and deal with the end.

Go, child, revise the cartoons about Mowgli ...
Until you see everything, in a civilized society you have nothing to do

[ul_vitalii]

Kipling is not an authority for him, he has already grown out of short pants, that is, has outgrown.

[Wertgan]

Let’s better think about why the president said this. Probably to explain things. A smart person explains, and people argue. Why are they arguing? Do they consider themselves smarter and more knowledgeable than him?

[seti]

According to the head of state, the possibility of secession of the republics from the Soviet Union was laid in the country's most important document. This Leninist thesis was laid down in 1922 and passed from one Constitution to another, but Russia managed to avoid this.

Do you disagree with that? After all, this eventually happened. And Putin mentioned that "if the republic came out with a huge amount of Russian lands, then it would be nice to return these lands."

Do you disagree with this? Which "gonevo" dear to the USSR.

[210ox]

As for "it would be nice to return" I agree. The question is that it would have to be raised in 90-91 years of the last century .. Roll on all four sides. BUT "can you have money in the evening? You can. But money, go ahead!" "

[lopvlad]

Quote: 210ox

raise in the 90-91 years of the last century

who should raise Yeltsin and his government ?. After all, even Kravchuk was sure that Yeltsin would not leave Crimea to Ukraine and was afraid that Russia would not demand that Donbass be returned.
But Yeltsin "take as much sovereignty as you can" with his accomplices, Foreign Minister Kozyrev "tell us what our national interests are", the head of the State Committee of the Russian Federation for State Property Management Chubais "Why are you worried about these people? Well, thirty million will die out. They did not fit into market. Don't think about it "gave everything I could.
For me, the only goal was to ruin Russia, while he believed that the more it collapses, the better it will be accepted in the West. I think the only time when Yeltsin realized that for the West he was rubbish is when he was pointed out at his protest over the bombing of Yugoslavia his place.

[Svarog]

Quote: seti

And Putin mentioned that "if the republic came out with a huge amount of Russian lands, then it would be nice to return these lands."

Personally, I very much agree with this. But to mention is not to do. The order needs to be put in place starting from Ukraine .. but according to the situation with LDNR, Putin’s line is understandable and it is not designed for collecting land.

What a "gonevo" on the USSR dear

The real thing is that Putin is increasingly "clothe mistakes" of the USSR .. that you don't notice? And he does this deliberately, because many compare it with that period and understand that now nothing is being done, only chatter. What was it worth that except for galoshes nothing was produced.
So Lenin was right, this is no mistake. This is the preservation of the cultural identity and the integration of these cultures into the new socialist state, which assumed a strong centralized power. And with a strong centralized power, no one will ever break away from Russia.

[Thunderbringer]

Quote: Svarog

Putin more and more often "clothe mistakes" of the USSR .. that you don't notice? And does it intentionally for many compare with that period and understand that now nothing is being done, just chatter.

How's that?
Does he deliberately make sure that many compare, and understand that he is not doing anything?
What kind of nonsense?

[Vadim237]

Yes, and Russian passports in LDNR are probably just issued to 1,5 million people.

[Kronos]

No, Putin disagrees with ordinary populism as a collector of land

[ul_vitalii]

Quote: Kronos

No, Putin disagrees with ordinary populism as a collector of land

And how else can land be gathered and combined, sofa theorist?

[Kronos]

No way he will not do this after the Crimea, it all ended

[Thunderbringer]

Who will not? Sofa theorist?
Precisely, not a single theoretician will be. Unlike Putin.

[Vadim237]

Sofa theoreticians they are - they do nothing, but they know everything.

[Region68]

Not a fact. He already remembers for the second time about the Russian lands which republics took with them like ..
So ...

[WIKI]

Quote: seti

And Putin mentioned that "if the republic came out with a huge amount of Russian lands, then it would be nice to return these lands."

But how to return if Russia itself came out illegally. To resolve this issue, we must return to 1991 and give an answer from the point of view of the then existing legislation. One lawlessness upon leaving the USSR, gave rise to another lawlessness by dividing everything and everything.

[Thunderbringer]

Just the same, the Soviet Constitution says about the right to self-determination.
So everything was legal from this point of view.
This is what Putin said.
What's wrong?

[WIKI]

Quote: Thunderbringer

Just the same, the Soviet Constitution says about the right to self-determination.

"On December 11, 1991, the USSR Constitutional Oversight Committee adopted a Statement in which it recognized the Belovezhskaya Agreement as contradicting the USSR Law" On the Procedure for Solving Issues Related to the Secession of the Union Republic from the USSR. " questions concerning the rights and interests of other republics. " The establishment of the USSR was attended by the RSFSR, Ukraine, Belarus and the Transcaucasian Federation (Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan), and the Belovezhskaya agreements were signed by only three of the four parties.

[Gardamir]

if Russia itself came out illegally

But it’s true! We are celebrating on June 12th. In 1990, when the Union was on its feet, Yeltsin had already declared the independence of the RSFSR from the USSR. Here it is a bomb. And the subsequent referendum on the preservation of the USSR did not decide anything. This is what the current power of Boris the destroyer reveres.

[Wertgan]

On the destruction of the USSR, dear ..

[MrFox]

It does not occur to me that if it were not for the clause on the republic’s withdrawal, would you not agree to unite? Stupid Lenin did not understand how to

[seti]

Quote: MrFox

It does not occur to me that if it were not for the clause on the republic’s withdrawal, would you not agree to unite?

Are you seriously ? Do not make me laugh. As for Kartavy, he was not so smart as you think. He is the choice of a certain group of people as Khrushchev and Brezhnev at one time. Just about the collapse of the country at that time no one thought. It was necessary to build a world revolution ...

[Antidote]

You might think that the current is not the choice of a certain group of people.

[Kronos]

Burry is it about Lenin, a man who has outplayed world powers seeking to destroy the USSR?

[seti]

Quote: Kronos

Burry is it about Lenin, a man who has outplayed world powers seeking to destroy the USSR?

Just do not make Lenin a savior of Russian statehood and the Russian people. Let me remind you that before the USSR there was the Russian Empire. Which we have lost. And within those borders. Yes, yes, the very one that he and his associates destroyed with tens and hundreds of thousands of our compatriots. You do not care about that. Not to me.

The USSR was saved by Stalin but by no means Lenin.

[tatra]

YES, Lenin saved Russia from YOU, who unleashed the Civil War, and during its tearing Russia to pieces. And what would happen to Russia and its people, if you had won, the internal enemies of Lenin, together with your allies, interventionists, in the Civil War, you have clearly proved after you captured the USSR in your anti-Soviet Perestroika-dismemberment, looting the country, robbing and genocide of your people.

[seti]

What are you talking about? And here I am. There was a great country - carried out a coup. Or maybe in the year 17 held a popular referendum? The emperor and the whole family were brutally murdered. Not communists by chance with the filing of the Party? Naturally, there were disagreements with all this demon aisle. Naturally, many did not want to lose the property acquired by their hump. The Red Terror of the 20-30s that we’ll just forget so much .. Stacking and dispossession .. Executions of dissent. Kolyma.
I do not take the last 10 years of the Union - this is a completely different country, unlike its formation.
Burry one of the executioners of the Russian people. And my relatives too.

[Thunderbringer]

Well, naturally about him. Burry, there's nothing to be done.
But what, it’s also a taboo, can’t you talk?
Well, that’s how we know that he was actually the size of a 3-storey building, his eyes were burning with fire. And as he goes out into the street, let him look, so all the bourgeois are dead and fall.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: seti

Are you seriously ? Do not make me laugh. As for Kartavy, he was not so smart as you think. He is the choice of a certain group of people as Khrushchev and Brezhnev at one time. Just about the collapse of the country at that time no one thought. It was necessary to build a world revolution ...

This is how about Putin is now being scratched by a zombie creature ?! Putin is everywhere, and everything can be ?! !!

[Ryaruav]

moreover, this point here, if they had not crushed by force, they would have fled anyway

[apro]

This is an expert. 30 years have passed ... and the will of the people is what? A referendum on preserving the USSR clearly showed what the people want. And woe to the reformers? And the constitution did not help ....

[Svarog]

Quote: apro

This is an expert. 30 years have passed ... and the will of the people is what? A referendum on preserving the USSR clearly showed what the people want. And woe to the reformers? And the constitution did not help ....

All right. When it is beneficial to those in power, they will do anything and the Constitution will not help. Over the past 30 years, we see how many times they violated the Constitution and did nothing ... and who would ask them?

[apro]

Quote: Svarog

and rolls nothing ... and who will ask them?

That's for sure .... and the sadder ...

[Thunderbringer]

Sadder again?
Well you have it. For whatever you grab, all the sadness.
Again.
The constitution of the USSR spelled out the right of the republics to self-determination.
In 1991, they took advantage of it.

[tatra]

Republics are inanimate concepts. So WHO dismembered the USSR against the will of the majority of voters in a referendum on these vicious anti-Soviet-Russophobic "independence-self"?

[Vadim237]

For preservation - one hell would the Baltic States and Ukraine fall off in any case, and a further economic crisis, and it was inevitable in any situation, would lead the remnants of the USSR to the path that Russia went in the 90s and came to the conclusion that Russia now has a market economy with all its pros and cons.

[Wertgan]

The referendum was not for the preservation of the USSR, but for its collapse, dear.

[rocket757]

In the Russian Constitution, adopted in 1993, a "time bomb" was laid.

It seems that his childhood dreams were to become a miner / sapper!
All that he laid mines on! All previous leaders! Is he now one grinder, or what?
Let's wait / see what bookmarks the next leader will be sharing about ??? if we survive, of course, that there is also an undefined question, alas

[Svarog]

Quote: rocket757

All that he laid mines on! All previous leaders! Is he now one grinder, or what?

And note, increasingly denounces the USSR. His success is not. Here he is trying to find and instill in the minds of young people that in the USSR, okromya galoshes did not produce anything, and the leaders of the people did everything wrong ..

[rocket757]

Quote: Svarog

There is no success

We will be objective! Some of his undertakings had a chance to be successful, necessary, useful to the country, possibly living here .... but, as always, this is! WRONG, they are some kind, any sensible business to slow down, shake, smear, pull apart manage !!! IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO COMPLETE BUSINESS.
On what everything rests, did not fall apart, yet ??? Our people are persistent, long-suffering .....

[Thunderbringer]

His success is not.

Yes, of course, not at all, where there.
Already about these galoshes, this propaganda trick "skillfully" to rethink "what was said to you, they told you ... all of course is useless.
All in one pipe, about zeroing, but about galoshes.
By the way, galoshes were so-so.
Unless for Vietnam or to Africa.

You at least change the record. After the last vote, this does not look ridiculous, but just silly.

[Vadim237]

There is one significant success and it is the most important - Russia provides itself with food, there are problems with the seed stock, but these problems will be completely resolved in the coming years, the energy industry is developing mechanical engineering, as if one does not stand still; one of the most modern armies is the most efficient the system of combating extremism and terrorism has minimal debts, unlike most other developed countries in which they are off-scale free medicine and education have remained cool, despite the crises and sanctions in the past 12 years. But the problems are known and there are many of them, but this does not mean that they are not solved.

[Alf]

Quote: Svarog

that in the USSR, okromya galoshes did not produce anything, and the leaders of the people did everything wrong ..

[populist]

Quote: rocket757

In the Russian Constitution, adopted in 1993, a "time bomb" was laid.

It seems that his childhood dreams were to become a miner / sapper!
All that he laid mines on! All previous leaders! Is he now one grinder, or what?
Let's wait / see what bookmarks the next leader will be sharing about ??? if we survive, of course, that there is also an undefined question, alas

It’s not necessary to wait.
Already now you can list the main mines bookmarks of his reign.
1 Sole power
2 State officials and oligarchs
3 Destruction of the democratic institutions of society
4 Commodity economics
5 Export of capital
6 Incompetence of authorities

[rocket757]

Unfortunately, they manage to supplement this list regularly.

[Thunderbringer]

And who is interested in competence so strongly defined?
Really couch experts?

[Achilles]

Quote: populist

It’s not necessary to wait.
Already now you can list the main mines bookmarks of his reign.
1 Sole power
2 State officials and oligarchs
3 Destruction of the democratic institutions of society
4 Commodity economics
5 Export of capital
6 Incompetence of authorities

All points except the first were before Putin, no need to mislead

[tatra]

SO WHAT ? This is what Putin retained, and with what and by whom he will leave Russia and the Russian people when he finally leaves.

[Vadim237]

Well, definitely not with people like you.

[Left shot]

Quote: Achilles

All points except the first were before Putin, no need to mislead

And there is no "Putin". There is another zits-president from the Yeltsinoid clique, in fact - the Gauleiters of the colony.

[Vadim237]

The economy is already half-raw and selling processed raw materials is not bad, it will always be needed everywhere, but today you bought high-tech equipment from it, and will not buy it tomorrow, and the country will not go far in a single or small-scale production.

[Mountain shooter]

Landmines, land mines ... For so long, economic liberalism has sucked juices out of the country, freezing hydrocarbon revenues and keeping high interest rates ... now will stagnation win?

[Vadim237]

Forgive that this is "Freezing income from hydrocarbons" if you are talking about replenishment in the Stabilization Fund and the NWF, then you lived on this money for several years from 2008 to 2017 and since the beginning of this year we have been living in addition to these funds, paying off state debts, replenishing gold and foreign reserves, spending infrastructure on the defense industry, etc. since 2000, and this despite the fact that 20 trillion greens have been invested in the Russian economy over 2,5 years.

[Asad]

All of us are not saints, but when they accepted the GDP into the party, he could then say that Lenin was "rushing" with the idea.

[parusnik]

but when GDP was accepted into the party

... When they accepted the party, swore to be faithful to the cause of Lenin, swore to the Komsomol, swore to the pioneers again ... And? ...

[Asad]

We all swore, someone remained faithful to the oath, most forgot!

[Odysseus]

Quote: ASAD

We all swore, someone remained faithful to the oath, most forgot!

Not everyone. The number of members of the CPSU is 16,5 million. And the workers of the KGB of the USSR -480 thousand. With a population of 288 million.
So very few swore. But to change the oath twice, as Mr. Putin is a very rare thing.

[fn34440]

"I am absolutely convinced that we are doing the right thing, that we are adopting amendments to the current Constitution. They will strengthen our statehood, create conditions for the progressive development of our country for decades to come."
The root word is "WE". Emperor of All Russia.
The people were silent in the country. It's a shame, listen.
And which of the members of the forum can say for sure about the number of amendments voted on?
Voted for the entire list, chokh. "How can you?
Correctly, legally, vote for each amendment, individually

[Antidote]

No matter how they vote, it’s important how they think

[Odysseus]

In this case, no one even considered anything
They just announced the numbers prepared in advance. So here the phrase "hero of democratic Russia" by Mr. Bazhanov is too complementary to the organizers of this action.

[Antidote]

This is an inaccurate quote from Stalin, the main thing that reflects the essence of the attitude of the authorities towards people, at all times.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Antidote

This is an inaccurate quote from Stalin, the main thing that reflects the essence of the attitude of the authorities towards people, at all times.

This is just an anti-Soviet fiction by Mr. Bazhanov. By the way, very similar to Mr. Putin. He too
"chose freedom and capitalism". Only his level, of course, was much higher.

[Thunderbringer]

Where does the picture come from, a fighter for the idea?

[Antidote]

Patterns popping?
http://www.vybory.izbirkom.ru/region/region/izbirkom?action=show&tvd=100100163598025&vrn=100100163596966&region=0&global=true&sub_region=0&prver=0&pronetvd=null&vibid=21620002480942&type=465

[AU Ivanov.]

Where from. Issue as an application to the training manual.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: Antidote

No matter how they vote, it’s important how they think

Well consider, just like that, neatly!

[alone]

Quote: Antidote

No matter how they vote, it’s important how they think

Even robots could not have such results .. This is a pure farce.

[Wertgan]

They did not vote for amendments. Voted for the change. It will remain in history, and 400 amendments will be forgotten.

[Virus-free crown]

As far as I remember, I voted in due time to keep the USSR in a referendum
And what ?! The Soviet Union still collapsed ... And they did not care who had the opinion of the people ...
So with these amendments will be ... Power in itself - the people in itself ...

[Wertgan]

So you voted for the collapse of the USSR. Thirty years have passed. It was possible to figure out during this time.

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: WertGan

So you voted for the collapse of the USSR. Thirty years have passed. It was possible to figure out during this time.

It’s better for me to know what I voted for !!!
I personally voted in favor of preserving the USSR - and the majority of those who voted in favor - and the result - Power spat on the opinion of the people and ruined the USSR !!!!

[Wertgan]

Here is the wording of that referendum: Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which human rights and freedoms of any nationality will be fully guaranteed.
If they voted "Yes", then they gave the republics sovereignty over the state. That is, for the collapse. Did you vote "No"? Respect! But the majority voted for the collapse of the USSR, said "Yes"

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: WertGan

Here is the wording of that referendum: Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which human rights and freedoms of any nationality will be fully guaranteed.
If they voted "Yes", then they gave the republics sovereignty over the state. That is, for the collapse. Did you vote "No"? Respect! But the majority voted for the collapse of the USSR, said "Yes"

"Over the ears" You can "ride" people less knowledgeable in the Laws than me
From the Constitution of the USSR:

Chapter 8. The USSR - Union State

Article 70. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is a single union multinational state formed on the basis of the principle of socialist federalism as a result of the free self-determination of nations and the voluntary association of equal Soviet Socialist Republics.

[Wolf]

BRAVO TSAR PUTIN !!!
The treacherous scum laid in the constitution the collapse and destruction of Rus during the drunken Yeltsin!

[Wertgan]

The smiley is superfluous)

[parusnik]

Recall that on July 3, Putin signed a decree amending the Russian Constitution, the decree comes into force on the day it is signed. The adopted amendments entered into force on 4 June.

.... If the amendments entered into force on June 4, why did they vote already from June 25 to July 1?

[Kronos]

To give the appearance that everything is according to the will of the people

[Thunderbringer]

No, of course it was necessary to vote on the Internet on VO.
Then yes, it would be "like".
Is this not the blue dream of our fighters with the regime?

[Kronos]

No, it was necessary to arrange a vote, and not to take them in advance, and then pretend

[Wertgan]

To enable people to vote calmly in a pandemic

[parusnik]

The Russian Constitution, adopted in 1993, incorporated a "time bomb". This was stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin in the program "Moscow. Kremlin. Putin", aired on the television channel "Russia 1".

.... Yeltsin, laid a mine, didn’t say anything to the receiver, and the Yeltsin Center shook him off for this ... Original ... But the main thing is that they cleared the mine, otherwise it would have rumbled ... 27 years they lived in a mine ...

[DNS-a42]

And the spouses' right to divorce is a "time bomb" for a family. No divorces - families are whole. Is it logical?

[Wertgan]

By the way, it is similar with abortion. Wow!

[strelokmira]

About how, according to the supreme opinion, the 1993 constitution, Lenin wrote

[Thunderbringer]

No, what are you.
It is only in your opinion that it is so.

[fa2998]

Quote: hrych

He said about the landmines that ... worked. Or isn’t it?

There was a mine president only 2 times to be elected. Everyone neutralized!

[Thunderbringer]

Amendments adopted, the country will continue to live on this Constitution.
All bulkers, sternoids, liberalists, communists, LGBT people, Yabloko people (who were all listed in the same trench?) Can bite their own elbows, biting manuals.

[demo]

Lenin rushed with this idea since 1908-1909. It all proceeded from the idea of ​​the nation’s right to self-determination and then transformed into state building in such a way that when creating a single state, the Soviet Union, in fact, it was a question of restoring historical Russia to its former borders, the newly created union republics had the right exit from it

- Putin said.

Well, if the GDP often began to appeal to the words of Lenin, then to the words of Stalin, then it is necessary to figure out what nations Vladimir Ilyich cared for.
The right of the Russian nation to secede from Russia is excluded.
There were no Ukrainians and Belarusians, as such. There were slight differences, but there was no division.
Baltic States and Finland - this can be considered as candidates.
Middle Asia.
By the time of the revolution of 1905, these national-territorial entities simply did not exist. And that someone went out somewhere out of the question.
For most of them were not in a capitalist, but in a feudal society. Where the nation and people are secondary. Bai and feudal lord - primary.
Transcaucasia.
Georgia. One of the candidates.
These always wagged their tail at the moment when his next owner, who, by mistake, considered the Georgians to be decent people, faithful to the oath, had strained.
The Armenians, Azerbaijanis and the smaller peoples of Transcaucasia understood the complexity of a joint dormitory without someone reconciling them.
Did you mention everyone?
Not. Not all.
There was only one nation that wanted to get out of any kind of control.
Jews of Russia.
They would become the ultimate beneficiaries in the event of the disintegration of RI on a national basis.
It was precisely this mine that Lenin laid down as a result of rethinking that the idea of ​​a world revolution (read the transformation of most countries into such a Jewish Union) was postponed indefinitely.
But why doesn’t Putin call a spade a spade?
Shy, or what?

[Wertgan]

Where is the admin?

[Gardamir]

Lenin rushed about with this idea

What’s Putin’s idea? Get more migrants?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Gardamir

What’s Putin’s idea? Get more migrants?

Simple: take swag-clear tracks-hide.
Migrants and everything else is a means.

[Odysseus]

For citizen Putin, a former member of the CPSU, a former employee of the KGB of the USSR, nothing changes. Thieves and traitors, of course, are most afraid of legal punishment, so again anti-Soviet nonsense about "mines" and the story of the goodness of the bourgeois dictatorship with itself in the role of Pinochet.
However, Pinochet was not a pure thief (and even more so a traitor) and while he was needed he enjoyed the benevolence of the West, so our "patriots" of the oligarchic RF were like a star before him.

[123456789]

The director changes at the enterprise. And so the outgoing director transfers the affairs to the new director.
Here is an office, desk, secretary Lidochka, a safe. In the safe, I left you three envelopes.
If things go quite tight, open the envelope.

A new director has taken office, begins to steer. Six months pass, something else. He opens the first envelope. And there’s a note:
- Vali is all on me.

Meetings immediately begin at which questions are raised that all the failures due to the legacy of the past leadership are all it. But now we’ll live and earn!

Another six months pass. Things are not going uphill. The second envelope is opened:
- Start the reorganization.

Again the meeting. We need to make renovations, carry out optimizations and reorganizations !! planning department from the third to the first floor, increase the personnel department, reduce the service of the chief engineer, fire workers, etc.

After another six months, things are getting worse, a third envelope is opened. There is a note:
- Get three envelopes!
Anecdote

[Svarog]

Quote: 123456789

After another six months, things are getting worse, a third envelope is opened. There is a note:
- Get three envelopes!
Anecdote

You know, this is not a joke .. this is an action plan and that’s how they work

[alone]

Quote: 123456789

After another six months, things are getting worse, a third envelope is opened. There is a note:
- Get three envelopes!

Well, he still has 16 years ahead to prepare an envelope.

[Tuzik]

Putin said everything correctly, the communists destroyed the great Russia. Only, unlike me, they don’t blame him.

[Kronos]

Was there already one Great Germany Are you one of these Nazis?

[Tuzik]

You always always write adequately Kronos, it’s interesting to read you, but here you have started verbiage. It is clear, after all, that I spoke about the Russian Empire not divided into republics with the right of exit.

[Kronos]

If you want the law will not stop anyone. Therefore, the collapse of the USSR reduces to the right to exit it very primitively

[tatra]

Something you, the enemies of the communists, "remember about the" great Russia ", only for the sake of profit in your anti-Soviet Union. You are the only one in world history who has no positive history of your country at all.

[Tuzik]

I was born in the USSR and I did not like how it fell apart, due to the fact that at one time the Communists thought not of the country where they lived, but of the world revolution.

[Severok]

They were no longer Communists, but elementary adaptations, like now Putin, Miller, Vulture, Sobin and other matvienkoobraznye Sands.

[demo]

My older comrade, a friend of the deceased father, has achieved quite a lot in this life.
Under the communists, being a communist.
After graduation, he got to the start of the construction of the Krasnoyarsk aluminum smelter.
Passed such a school - God forbid everyone.
He gave 10 years of his life to Siberia.
Then he moved to live and work in the North Caucasus.
Not by the fact that Siberia was tired, but by what the party ordered.
And in the new revenge he showed himself from the best side.
Those. the man’s biography is excellent.
And the party from him is correct.
But at the end of my life, behind a glass, one could hear such words from him - it made me born once and, moreover, in this country.

What does this mean.
A man, a member of the party, devoted himself wholeheartedly to the service of the Motherland.
He understood the importance of his work and the need to sacrifice his interests for the sake of people.
But over the years, those who have arrogated to themselves the right to set new priorities and goals have deemed it necessary to change global goals.
And no one asked him, the creator, the creator, the hard worker, about how he relates to this.

The Communists thought about the country.
But some thought how to make the country stronger, more beautiful.
And others, by the way, also party members, were thinking about how to take this country away from its true masters, the people, and divide it among themselves.

To avoid misunderstanding, I am talking about GDP and its minions.
Although he came to his place (although it is not his, in fact) as a proven, successor governor, meeting the criteria of thieves and crooks.
His steadfast reluctance and obstinacy in questions of revising the results of "thieves' privatization" is best characterized by the fact that Putin has never been and will never be the president of the people.
He divides himself and the people into people and the electorate.

The brightest representative of the opportunist communist, in my understanding, was Tereshkova.
And in the time of Khrushchev, and during the time of Brezhnev, and during Putin's time, she sang the same song - We are women of the USSR / Russia with a sense of high responsibility, with our heads held up proudly, etc.
This is the true face of those who are guilty of the collapse of the country.
Say whatever the authorities want, climb to the trough, crushing and repelling rivals.
And then sing hosanna by the fact that in essence they are the same jerks as they themselves.

[Tuzik]

Quote: demo

The Communists thought about the country.

Read Trotsky. That and the others, although not so radical, but also thought clearly globally, Russia was for them only a cog.
Regarding opportunists, I agree with you.

[Polente the Wanderer]

so he is a monument

[Wertgan]

And what about these minuses? Why pay attention to them?

[Tuzik]

I’m used to being right, but looking at the cons somewhere in the depths, uncertainty begins to yap))

[ont65]

They are concerned about the stagnation that strangely happened immediately after the "revolutionary" (read reactionary) transformations according to the State Department manuals. Just you understand, they began to do good things in the luxury of a free market guaranteed by the democrats, and on those - Putin happened and began to milk everyone for a decent maintenance of the apparatus.

[Vechernick]

Again he repeats this nonsense

[Alf]

Quote: Vechernick

Again he repeats this nonsense

What else can he say?

[Igoresha]

and Lenin needs to embroider by the hara, expose his vile deeds

[Polymer]

Yeah, kicking a dead lion is a favorite pastime of "brave men"!

[Alexga]

A time bomb is the creation of a titular nation in a multinational state. Yes, and the allocation of one religion in a multiconfessional state. What, we must wait for the Union of Michael the Archangel or the Union of the Russian people? So, GDP does not understand what has been done with these amendments.

[Wertgan]

You misunderstood. We have a multinational Russian people. This must be realized. Why Russian? Because he lives in Russia.

[Alexga]

1. The state language of the Russian Federation throughout its territory is Russian as the language of a state-forming people that is part of a multinational union of equal peoples of the Russian Federation.

Then why put the article like this, it turns out verbatim: all nations are equal, but one is more equal.

[Sergej1972]

In fact, the people, who make up 80% of the population of the Russian Federation, have a really big role in managing this state than dozens of other peoples of Russia. The largest of them, the Tatar, is twenty times smaller than the Russians in numbers.

[Alexga]

In fact, the people, who make up 80% of the population of the Russian Federation, have a really big role in managing this state than dozens of other peoples of Russia.

I do not argue with this, it has always been so. But to position this in the Basic Law, I consider it unacceptable in a multinational state. It turns out that there are Russians and all the other conquered peoples, whom they designated equal. But this is on paper, but in the minds of men it may not be at all like that. I would not be surprised if in some highland village a local mullah announces to his listeners that they are slaves. So it was already in the history of the Russian state. And the example of opening an army Orthodox church raises even more acute questions. Then where are the main army mosques, churches, datsans, and indeed, the temple of atheists. I do not envy the commander fathers, they only have such a headache. And with the accession of fraternal peoples, questions arise. Something like this.

[Wertgan]

Most likely because it was written by people very far from any patriotism. People who all their lives moved towards multiculturalism and other betrayals. They would not want to change the constitution at all, but it’s bad luck, the President set the task ...

[Polente the Wanderer]

Shepherd dogs collect all in a herd, do not let anyone go

[Polente the Wanderer]

If republics do not have the right to exit, then why produce states (with their laws, heads of state) in the state. The law should be one in the state and without any local customs, adat

[Shuttle]

According to the head of state, the possibility of secession of the republics from the Soviet Union was laid in the country's most important document. This Leninist thesis was laid down in 1922 and passed from one Constitution to another, but Russia managed to avoid this.

So maybe that's why Onet Ilyich hang up with banners in parades? It turns out that they do not consider him the culprit of the collapse of the USSR. From here!

[7,62x54]

It was Putin who was rushing about with his termination of zero, disguised as a people's Constitution. It is very unpleasant to look at the tricks of a man who did not even stand next to Vladimir Ilyich. Well, nothing, ten years will pass, and they will talk about the Dear Leader in the same vein as about Gorbi or EBN.

[Severok]

Already about the darkest people begin to speak contemptuously. Only frankly foolish people begin to resent when they begin to speak the truth about his rule.

[Wertgan]

They will speak well of him. Do not doubt.

[7,62x54]

The first to deny the closest to the body of the leader.

[Severok]

With the complete inactivity of the people, these "figures" have turned the basic law of the country into a humorous collection with their pseudo-amendments. Mixing religion, animals and presidential powers into one heap without inserting really important points into it on the abolition of private ownership of land, means of production and the subsoil of the country.

[TAMBU]

struck another bottom ...

[alone]

Quote: TAMBU

struck another bottom ...

And there’s no time for buildup

[Wertgan]

Dear, why do you start a sentence with a small letter? So to write illiterate ...

[TAMBU]

That was the mood. Thank. From now on, I’ll take it into account.

[DPN]

In the Russian Constitution, adopted in 1993, a "time bomb" was laid.
If the country has a normal LIFE, (that is, rulers), then not one mine will destroy this country. Everything else is from the evil one. Maybe that's why they brought Not the impunity of the rulers for their rule.

[Lord of the Sith]

About "Lenin has been running around with this idea since 1908-1909." it said badly.

But about a single and indivisible country, that’s right.

[Conell f]

I wonder what kind of constitution Putin has in mind?!?! After all, there is an opinion that Yeltsin never signed the 92-year constitution !!!

[ont65]

The style and rhetoric of our first person remains the same, but at the same time a fresh person leaves the impression of a revelation from above. Here it is! Maybe that's why it is still popular. Everywhere bombs and separatists (probably 22 years old) and he is the only one for his homeland. Around deception - the factories promised the workers, and the land to the peasants, but it turned out differently. All cleaned up the Soviets. So democracy offers only delegation of rights. But how else, to everyone? Chubais had a voucher recipe, but now they prefer not to remember about it. Everything that was offered for withdrawal was grabbed by the most agile and punchy. The balance of self-determination with a single state of different forms is still not defined. On the one hand, unity with the enemy makes life alarming, on the other hand, it allows you to keep it on a short leash. Those who turned out to be able to live as one family are out of the question. Nevertheless, Putin was alarmed. Maybe we don’t know something and the internal enemy was wound up, like the Finns, the Baltic states with the Poles in the 17th?

[FRoman1984]

A time bomb is that it changes the Constitution for itself. Zero, damn it.
Thus, his message, if you are in power (that is, the strongest), you can do whatever you want, and the law is not a decree.

[nikvic46]

Firstly, autonomous republics are not allied. The right of exit did not apply to them. If you take a structure from easily detachable parts, the main part will not suffer at break. If you create a rigid structure, then this is a different outcome. Russia is not the USSR. I think that if there were no exit right, Russia would also suffer.

[Angelo Provolone]

It all came from the idea of ​​the right of a nation to self-determination

And what's wrong? Is it necessary to keep everyone by force? need to be profitable to be together

[Pavel Amarok]

A double-edged sword: be in the constitution of 1993 the so-called. "the right of secession" - the possibility of secession from the Federation, there would be no Chechen wars. Fact. But there would be Russia - that is the question.

[hermit]

Sometimes it's better to chew than talk. No republic has withdrawn from the USSR under the relevant law. If some republics came out, but the USSR survived, then yes, one could say: an unsuccessful constitutional norm. But all republics came out of the USSR and almost simultaneously. Contrary to the outcome of the referendum of March 17, 1991. The then rulers simply wiped their feet on the Constitution of the USSR and the will of the majority of Soviet citizens. But of course, Lenin is to blame.

[Sergej1972]

Putin talked about the Soviet constitution. The 19993 Constitution of the Russian Federation has no right of exit.