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USC intends to buy the largest Indian shipyard

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USC intends to buy the largest Indian shipyard

The Russian United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) intends to buy out the large Indian private shipyard Reliance Naval and Engineering Ltd (RNEL or RNAVAL), located in Pipavava (Gujarat state). According to Indian media, USC is the only serious contender in the competition for the purchase of a shipyard.


According to published data, the shipyard, which has been suffering losses for a long time, was put up for sale at the end of May, and the auction itself was scheduled for June 27, but did not take place due to the "low interest of market participants." The new date is now called July 27, while all the same five applicants have applied for participation in the competition, including USC. Three small Indian companies and a Danish container shipping company, located next to the shipyard, do not hide the fact that the shipyard’s territory is needed only to expand the port’s territory.

According to the data for 2019, the debt of the shipyard amounted to approximately 1,6 billion dollars.

The USC itself does not deny interest in the Indian shipyard with which the company has long-standing ties. In the 2000s, the Indians collaborated with the Russian OJSC Northern Design Bureau in the development of a patrol ship design. In December 2010, PDOE entered into a cooperation agreement with Rosoboronexport to jointly promote Russian warships to Indian and third-country markets. In addition, there were several more joint projects.

To date, the shipyard is the largest shipbuilding company in India, with a huge dry construction dock 662 m long and 65 m wide, capable of accommodating ships of any size. The dock is equipped with two 600-ton large Goliath cranes with a lifting capacity of 1200 tons. There is also a site for the construction of offshore oil and gas production platforms with dimensions of 750 by 265 m, an extension berth of 300 m and extension embankments with a length of 720 m. It is alleged that the shipyard’s capacity can handle up to 12 thousand tons of steel per day.
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  1. NIKN
    NIKN 5 July 2020 09: 12 New
    -1
    Probably in another way, the debt can no longer be repaid. recourse
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 5 July 2020 09: 32 New
      +6
      USC has few of its debts, it is also necessary to take the Indian enterprise on balance.
      1. NIKN
        NIKN 5 July 2020 09: 36 New
        11
        Well, here the justified goal is to prevent the enemies from registering there, maybe the government will support it with financing, otherwise the shipyard is not weak (of course they will conduct an audit), but again the locals will work there mainly, and the logistics are complicated. In general, you can’t say right away, let the experts think.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 5 July 2020 09: 49 New
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          Quote: NIKNN
          Well, here the justified goal is to prevent enemies from registering there, maybe here the state will support it with financing

          It’s not even about the enemies ... we desperately need shipyards, since we are all loaded up to the limit. Plus, our presence in this area is directly on the Indian market, and this is not small money. As for debts, I am sure that the state will not allow USC to drown.
          1. NIKN
            NIKN 5 July 2020 09: 54 New
            10
            Quote: NEXUS
            we desperately need shipyards, since our all are loaded to the eyeballs

            I agree with you Andrew. But I mentioned that logistics is very complicated, it is not known that with equipment, what is wear and tear, etc. That's why he said that let the experts think. Ideally, yes, a shipyard, and even capable of building large-capacity vessels, we really need. hi
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 5 July 2020 09: 57 New
              +4
              Quote: NIKNN
              Ideally, yes, a shipyard, and even capable of building large-capacity vessels, we really need.

              Well, I think, somewhere nearby I’ll agree to build a closed port for our nuclear submarines. It would be wonderful at all. But ... dreams are dreams ...
              1. Bashkirkhan
                Bashkirkhan 5 July 2020 10: 19 New
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                Quote: NEXUS
                closed port for our submarines. It would be generally wonderful.

                Russian nuclear-powered missile-carrying submarine cruiser of Project 949A Antey K-119 Voronezh at the pier in ZATO Zaozersk. Photo 18.06.2020. On the back board is a five-story abandoned building with half boarded up windows. Probably better to create a modern infrastructure in Zaozersk than in India !? Or you need to help the brotherly people of India with money.
                1. Whirlwind
                  Whirlwind 5 July 2020 11: 13 New
                  +4
                  Time is money.
                2. GTYCBJYTH2021
                  GTYCBJYTH2021 5 July 2020 12: 06 New
                  +2
                  [quote = Bashkirkhan] [quote = NEXUS] a closed port for our nuclear submarines. It would be generally wonderful. [/ Quote]
                  Russian nuclear-powered missile-carrying submarine cruiser of Project 949A Antey K-119 Voronezh at the pier in ZATO Zaozersk. Photo 18.06.2020. On the back board is a five-story abandoned building with half boarded up windows. Probably better to create a modern infrastructure in Zaozersk than in India !? Or you need to help the brotherly people of India with money. And where is Zauzerka - is it not Vidyayevo in the picture .......
                  1. Bashkirkhan
                    Bashkirkhan 5 July 2020 13: 01 New
                    +2
                    Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
                    And where is Zaozerka, isn’t Vidyaevo in the picture .......

                    Photo by Pavel Lvov. It is written in the media that this is ZATO Zaozersk.
                    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
                      GTYCBJYTH2021 6 July 2020 02: 43 New
                      +4
                      Do not trust the media and some kind of Pavel Lvov ........
                3. Narak-zempo
                  Narak-zempo 5 July 2020 12: 09 New
                  -10
                  Quote: Bashkirkhan
                  On the back board is a five-story abandoned building with half boarded up windows

                  I won’t know why they’ve built so many abandons. wassat
                  Quote: Bashkirkhan
                  It is probably better to create a modern infrastructure in Zaozersk than in India !? Or you need to help the fraternal people of India with money.

                  Helping your people does not impress on the international stage. And our people, as you know, are wrong. He drinks, does not want to work, the guarantor rating does not support. Why so help?
                4. bayard
                  bayard 5 July 2020 13: 44 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Bashkirkhan
                  It is probably better to create a modern infrastructure in Zaozersk than in India !? Or you need to help the fraternal people of India with money.

                  Russia has signed a contract with India for the construction of 4 frigates 11356 - two will be completed in Russia, and the other two - in Indian countries. Now the shipyard is for sale. So just two in one - and to acquire the shipyard, and work out the order.
                  And there will be orders for this shipyard - India is actively developing and building a fleet.
                  And you can build some orders on it, too.
                  The shipyard will definitely not be superfluous. Moreover, drilling platforms were also built on it - a very useful option for Novatek and Rosneft.
                  1. Bashkirkhan
                    Bashkirkhan 5 July 2020 13: 47 New
                    +8
                    Quote: bayard
                    So just two in one - and to acquire the shipyard, and work out the order.

                    Frigates of the Russian project 11356 will be built in Goa. This is in a completely different place.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 5 July 2020 13: 55 New
                      +2
                      Anyway, there will be no order left - the Indians are building a fleet and China is their incentive.
                      USC and Rosneft have recently approached the government with a request to consider the possibility of building another one - two superyards similar to Zvezda, because it will not cope with all orders. And there are many orders for a long time.
                      India, at the same time, is participating in our Arctic projects and is a buyer of hydrocarbons. So the counterinterest is also on the face.
                      In addition, India has a Make in India program and USC's purchase of this shipyard will exactly comply with the commandments of this program.
                      For our fleet there could be built auxiliary class ships - BDK, minesweepers, military transports, etc.
                      1. krillon
                        krillon 5 July 2020 21: 55 New
                        +2
                        "Orders, to develop, will be exactly .." Where did the debt come from at the shipyard? If everything was exactly your predictions, the Indians would not have to put up a shipyard for auction, who sells the goose that lays the golden eggs?
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 5 July 2020 22: 38 New
                        +2
                        But who will sell the profitable enterprise? Sell ​​distressed. If they sell for the amount of debt, or taking into account the amount of debt - it’s already good. Those who buy will know how to count money.
                        Russia has two largest oil refineries in India, a network of gas stations - up to 4000 units. ... a joint venture for the assembly of the "Bramos" missile complex ... So if there is also a shipyard, then it is necessary, profitable and profitable.
                        No one will buy losses.
                        Any shipyard can be modernized, because the infrastructure is already there and some kind of personnel. And also a guaranteed order is IMPORTANT.
                      3. Usher
                        Usher 6 July 2020 15: 18 New
                        -1
                        It’s just that for some people hands grow from the right places. We'll see.
              2. K298rtm
                K298rtm 5 July 2020 20: 56 New
                +1
                The abandoned building is the building where the l \ s changed clothes in the Republic of Belarus. Apparently, now this is not relevant (to be honest, even in the "good old days" not everyone changed there, and often on pl).
              3. noct
                noct 6 July 2020 22: 45 New
                0
                create from scratch, a lot of time and money, but here everything is already there. You need to create, but why in a hurry to do, if temporarily possible
                interrupted, albeit distant, but ready for use tomorrow
          2. lucul
            lucul 5 July 2020 11: 27 New
            14
            Ideally, yes, a shipyard, and even capable of building large-capacity vessels, we really need. hi

            On its territory. There is nothing to feed strangers when their own without work ....
            1. Usher
              Usher 6 July 2020 15: 19 New
              +1
              All shipyards are loaded
          3. yehat2
            yehat2 5 July 2020 13: 02 New
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            in conditions when all external activities are constantly sabotaged, the purchase of such a shipyard looks like a pure gamble. If it was the USSR, which could take care of its property, this is one thing, but the Russian Federation is another.
            It seems to me that this is one of those outwardly effective decisions that poorly qualified sons take, who have occupied the high chairs of top managers.
            It reminds me of the collapse of the initial Cocacola project in Krasnoyarsk - they also decided to implement an ultra-efficient project there, simply throwing out all the costs of stability from planning and this turned out to be a big deal.
            I support the opinion that you need to build in yourself, and not hope for miracles.
            But for this, it is not enough to swell the loot in the shipyard. It is necessary to fully prepare the infrastructure. For example, St. Petersburg shipyard lacks even elementary metallurgical capacities, not to mention suppliers and others.
            For me, you need to find an area in the Krasnodar Territory where you can organize a logistically justified base for the construction of a large shipyard with its enormous infrastructure, including, possibly, even a nuclear power plant and not engage in nonsense.
            1. your1970
              your1970 5 July 2020 18: 26 New
              0
              Quote: yehat2
              For me, you need to find a district in the Krasnodar Territory where you can organize a logistically justified base for the construction of a large shipyard with its giant infrastructure, including, possibly, even a nuclear power plant
              -there land gold will
              North and better Far East
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 5 July 2020 20: 47 New
                -1
                there will be gold ships in the north. Climate + logistics - this is a rise in price compared to shipyards in South Korea 2-3 times. Therefore, it is so important, not looking at the starting costs, to create a normal infrastructure with a competitive production cost.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 5 July 2020 22: 26 New
                  0
                  Jobs in the Far East are also needed. It is much more useful for the development of the country to build all this stuff.
                  And the Black Sea, it has a single entrance / exit and God forbid !! - Erdogasha will begin to wander ... will pieces of ships be taken out in pieces of iron?
                  1. yehat2
                    yehat2 11 July 2020 10: 37 New
                    -1
                    here the choice is to have normal ships and withdraw or have boats and have free access to sail, which is not needed.
                    The cost of production is not an empty phrase. Yes, you can build 1-2 large ships or several small ones in the Far East, ditching a huge pile of dough.
                    But what's the point? This fleet is not even able to protect itself. It is much more efficient to build civilian ships and fish there. And it is impossible to build a large fleet, ignoring the cost.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 11 July 2020 12: 13 New
                      +1
                      Well, since you started to consider the prime cost, consider, for starters, how much the land will cost for a shipyard. I won’t be surprised if it turns out that in Moscow the land will be cheaper
                    2. yehat2
                      yehat2 16 July 2020 11: 55 New
                      0
                      the Ministry of Defense is sure that it already has everything you need.
                    3. your1970
                      your1970 16 July 2020 19: 19 New
                      0
                      where? What does MO have at most? a piece of land off the coast and that’s not a fact - that there is enough space for construction. Well this will have to be built at the same time - both the shipyard and the port
                      Quote: yehat2
                      with the giant infrastructure surrounding it, including perhaps even a nuclear power plant
                      - the MO does not have such areas and has never been on the coast.

                      And many you want of citizens will you find under construction / buy apartments near the nuclear power plant ?? means - watch... I will not be surprised if from the Far East belay
                    4. yehat2
                      yehat2 18 July 2020 16: 38 New
                      0
                      Nuclear power plants have changed a lot since Chernobyl. there is no need to breed any paranoia and what does "near" mean? I've been to those places where there are a lot of desert areas.
                      Finally, you continue to invent some kind of garbage, instead of trying to analyze why a shipyard should be built in a favorable climate.
                      Why was there such a shipyard in Crimea and why it is not worth building there now.
                      Why is it not promising to develop a shipyard like Severodvinsk?
                      Finally, the last, it is worth evaluating the realities of the economy - the Russian Federation is not the USSR, we cannot do what we want, but only what is within the power of modest possibilities.
                      Even if some lousy spaceport on the Far East is a whole event. And the construction of large shipyards is a much more voluminous task, comparable to the construction of Sochi.
                    5. your1970
                      your1970 18 July 2020 21: 43 New
                      0
                      Quote: yehat2
                      Nuclear power plants have changed a lot since Chernobyl.
                      -changed ... in Fukushima ALSO so they thought ... For the layman - "nuclear power plants are dangerous !!" and basta ....
                      Quote: yehat2
                      I've been to those places full of desert areas.
                      the Krasnodar Territory is full of desert districts ??? I was not too lazy - I looked at the Public Cadastral Map of Rosreestra- there NO ownerless districts ...
                      Quote: yehat2
                      you continue to invent some kind of garbage, instead of trying to analyze why a shipyard should be built in a favorable climate.
                      -And you only confuse the climate ?? Like human reserves, free land, infrastructure - this is garbage? Then with
                      with the same success it can be built in Saratov - where Balakovo is nearby and a hydroelectric power station
                    6. yehat2
                      yehat2 18 July 2020 22: 57 New
                      0
                      read a textbook on economic geography. I do not want to retell it to you.
                    7. your1970
                      your1970 18 July 2020 23: 09 New
                      0
                      I tell you about the current real economy - and you give me a textbook of economic geography ... the thing in the current situation is abstract ...
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 16 July 2020 11: 59 New
        0
        jobs in the Far East are needed, but not like that. If there was already a ready-made powerful shipbuilding industry, as in Korea, then yes.
        But they work exclusively on the budget for special orders.
        This is an artificial overcoming, which will greatly affect the volume of construction.
        It is much better to invest in a more or less efficient economic infrastructure than to go to brown bears and constantly overcome the weather, logistics, lack of suppliers and personnel, and energy shortages.
  • Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 5 July 2020 09: 59 New
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    Quote: NEXUS
    It’s not even about the enemies ... we desperately need shipyards, since we are all loaded up to the limit. Plus, our presence in this area is directly on the Indian market, and this is not small money. As for debts, I am sure that the state will not allow USC to drown.

    You can recall how the Finnish shipyard Arctech Helsinki Shipyard became one of the most troubled assets of USC due to the sanctions in connection with which foreign banks actually refused to service it.
    At one time, USC bought the Finnish shipyard precisely for profit, but sanctions, the crisis, gay pride parades and all that did the trick - USC lost. Apparently there is a desire to try more with India.
    In my opinion, shipyards need to build houses. Ownership is a matter of generating profit, but not technological competency. I think in terms of the old industrial world order - I would prefer that the entire technological chain, including the parent assembly plant, be in Russia. And it turns out that the beneficiary is India (taxes, investments), Indian craftsmen improve their qualifications and salaries (for our budget), Indian engineers are busy with work (our orders). If everything remains as it is, the only benefit in this is for the fleet (getting ready ships) and for owners (profit). But the shipbuilding industry of Russia itself does not develop from this. I would like to see a technology transfer to Russia, rather than loading an Indian enterprise, albeit with Russian owners.
    In general, as practice shows, "possession" is an ephemeral concept. If there is political will, the state where this property is located can create the conditions for squeezing out the "owners". In less civilized countries like Ukraine, they simply come to the plant and take it away - since 2014, a number of Russian owners have already lost their enterprises in Ukraine.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 5 July 2020 10: 04 New
      -4
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      In my opinion, shipyards need to build houses.

      This is certainly better, but ... build from scratch and buy ready-made, slightly different things. At the same time, we do not forget about the presence of our capital and industry in the territory of a potential buyer of our technologies. And the Indians, working at the shipyard, will thank us, because jobs are being saved.
      1. Thunderbringer
        Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 11: 38 New
        -12
        Moreover, there is not so much "home" space for the construction of shipyards.
        Moreover, Russia is not some kind of Ukraine, but a world power. She is everywhere at home.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 5 July 2020 17: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Thunderbringer
          Moreover, there is not so much "home" space for the construction of shipyards.

          Oh, okay, there are a lot of places, but you will have to invest (which nobody wants, and even for budget money, which no one in their right mind will give (it's easier to tear it up like "Vostochny")) very much - because it will be necessary to build not only a shipyard with all the contents, but also all kinds of logistics, to deepen the bottom and the fairway ...
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 5 July 2020 17: 47 New
            0
            Plus, if you add the loss of Nikolaev due to the reluctance to continue the Russian Spring / fear of the West by Putin - this is an option, in any case this (purchase) will unload the domestic shipyards from foreign orders, by the way, through India we can order German ship power plants.
      2. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 5 July 2020 13: 54 New
        10
        Quote: NEXUS
        And the Indians, working at the shipyard, will thank us, because jobs are being saved.

        I agree that supporting the ruble by the working class of Gujarat is an archive task.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 5 July 2020 10: 32 New
      +3
      I think in terms of the old industrial world order - I would prefer that the entire technological chain, including the parent assembly plant, be in Russia.

      Absolutely Vernr.
      But as an intermediate option, it’s possible to launch some sort of boards there. But it seems to me that these are only dreams. Do not give mattresses.
    3. lucul
      lucul 5 July 2020 11: 31 New
      -1
      Apparently there is a desire to try more with India.

      I think the point is this:
      The dock is equipped with two 600-ton large Goliath cranes with a lifting capacity of 1200 tons.

      Dismantled and delivered to Russia. Selling any large marine cranes to Russia is a terrible taboo for the West. So it is necessary to get the circuit. Well, or build it yourself, but this is a big R&D for new steel for cranes - although in fact it’s high time.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 5 July 2020 12: 32 New
        10
        Quote: lucul
        Dismantled and delivered to Russia. Selling any large marine cranes to Russia is a terrible taboo for the West. So it is necessary to get the circuit.

        Your imagination is certainly rich. But Goliath Russia gantry cranes without any problems buys in China, where they are manufactured. Two cranes with a lifting capacity of 1200 tons each recently arrived at SSK Zvezda.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 12: 36 New
          +5
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          . But Goliath Russia gantry cranes without any problems buys in China, where they are manufactured. There are two cranes with a lifting capacity of 1200 tons each at SSK Zvezda.

          My uncle was a crane designer. Optimized, died of a broken heart.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 5 July 2020 12: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: lucul
        Selling any large marine cranes to Russia is a terrible taboo for the West.

        China has set a 1200-ton Goliath on the Star ... So, the West is nervously smoking on the sidelines.
      3. krillon
        krillon 6 July 2020 22: 28 New
        0
        We, Russia, have recently received from China a Goliath overhead crane of 1.200 tons from China to the Zvezda shipyard, the queue for which has been scheduled for years to come. So the West is not a monopolist here.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 11 July 2020 10: 41 New
          0
          South Korea was also ready to supply such equipment.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 11 July 2020 13: 48 New
          0
          Quote: Krillon
          Goliath overhead crane 1.200 t

          Goliath is not a pavement, but a gantry crane. yes
          This is for reference. laughing
          1. krillon
            krillon 15 July 2020 21: 52 New
            0
            Accepted, I will be more attentive.
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 July 2020 10: 16 New
    24
    All their shipyards loaded 70 percent of the force
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 5 July 2020 10: 45 New
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      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      All their shipyards loaded 70 percent of the force

      And there is. According to the “Strategy of the shipbuilding and ship repair industry until 2035”, Russia needs to ensure the loading of 80% of the capacity.
      1. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 5 July 2020 11: 17 New
        +6
        Yeah, and upscale specialists behind the gates stand in three lines ...
    2. Engineer
      Engineer 5 July 2020 11: 12 New
      +3
      70 percent is a good load. In many cases, close to optimal. 100% load according to the rules of a market economy is ineffective - the law of diminishing marginal productivity.

      I have a suspicion that all the fuss due to the giant dock in the first place. Maybe the sailors will tell you how this is consistent with production plans.

      In general, it's sur, gentlemen. USC openly announces its intention to export capital on a large scale to one of the most corrupt countries and even under sanctions.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 5 July 2020 11: 21 New
        +8
        Quote: Engineer

        In general, it's sur, gentlemen. USC openly announces its intention to export capital on a large scale to one of the most corrupt countries and even under sanctions.

        What are we talking about. I understand when private companies take risks, in which all capacities in Russia are loaded. For example, Pella Sietas GmbH is the former private shipyard of JJ Sietas KG Schiffswerft GmbH u. Co. in Neuenfeld (Hamburg district on the southern bank of the Elbe), which is one of the oldest shipbuilding enterprises in Germany and has existed since 1635. After the bankruptcy, it was acquired by the Russian Pella in 2014. But why does the state corporation climb into an Indian adventure when Russian shipyards belonging to it are not loaded request
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 5 July 2020 11: 26 New
          +1
          If about 70% is true, then loaded. It turns out that still less?
          I just do not understand. Recently there was an article that the naval state defense order was thwarted and the real production was cat's tears. Then what are we doing in the shipyards? Do we serve the oil industry? What about the Far East plant "Zvezda" about which so much has been written?
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 5 July 2020 11: 34 New
            -2
            Quote: Engineer
            What about the Far East plant "Zvezda" about which so much has been written?

            And in general, recently I stopped following the Zvezda SSK, taking into account all this:
            https://bkamen.info/news/social/konstantin-belokon-infrastrukturu-stroim-lyudi-isc.html

            and much more. There was a "rejection" of the topic - it is no longer interesting and very annoying.
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 5 July 2020 11: 38 New
              0
              And what about the Indian dock? Correctly, I understand that it is possible to build BOTH of an amphibious landing ship which construction has recently been approved? Maybe this is the key?
          2. Alien ...
            Alien ... 5 July 2020 13: 13 New
            +5
            What do we do in shipyards? That and everywhere, sawing loot. And then immediately 1,6 lard bucks. Plus the cost of the lot. I would get involved. Why not? Salvage to me, the losses of Russia. All for garlic.
      2. lucul
        lucul 5 July 2020 11: 35 New
        -1
        I have a suspicion that all the fuss due to the giant dock in the first place.

        What is the difficulty of digging a hole, pouring it with concrete?
        Everything rests on cranes, but they don’t sell them to us.
        One thing is good there - the climate is good, you can work all year round under one canopy)))
      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 July 2020 14: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: Engineer
        70 percent is a good load. In many cases, close to optimal. 100% load according to the rules of a market economy is ineffective - the law of diminishing marginal productivity.

        Who told you such nonsense?
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 5 July 2020 15: 10 New
          +1
          This "nonsense" has been included in the school economics course for more than 20 years. And re-taught at universities
          The law of diminishing marginal productivity states: an increase in the variable factor with fixed values ​​of the rest and invariance of technology ultimately leads to a decrease in its productivity.
          A private consequence of this law is the following conclusion
          https://economy-ru.info/info/20723/
          The practice of production activities confirmed the optimal load capacity of the enterprise 70% - 80%. With less load, losses from downtime of machinery and equipment increase. At greater - the risk of unforeseen breakdowns and accidents is growing, and this is extra costs for unscheduled repairs and overtime work.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 July 2020 13: 32 New
            0
            Quote: Engineer
            This "nonsense" has been included in the school economics course for more than 20 years. And re-taught at universities

            But for you, economics is clearly not a core science, hence the error in reasoning
            Quote: Engineer
            The law of diminishing marginal productivity states: an increase in the variable factor with fixed values ​​of the rest and invariance of technology ultimately leads to a decrease in its productivity.

            Only now, for this case, all this does not apply quite as in your textbook
            Quote: Engineer
            The practice of production activities confirmed the optimal load capacity of the enterprise 70% - 80%.

            First, let's read the quote in full.
            It is also possible to evaluate the stability of production for a particular enterprise by comparing the actual output with the maximum possible (for example, production capacity). The practice of production activities confirmed the optimal load capacity of the enterprise 70% - 80%.

            And what is production capacity? This is the maximum possible output in the nomenclature and assortment of the planning year, with full use of production equipment, taking into account the planned event, but the introduction of advanced production technology and scientific organization of labor.
            How to calculate production capacity? This can be done using unit performance data:
            PM = PO × Ct × Fe,
            where PM - production capacity for 1 year, units / year;
            PO - productivity of a unit of equipment, pcs / hour;
            Fe - the effective temporary fund of a unit of equipment for 1 year, h;
            Ct - the amount of equipment, pcs.
            Next, we determine the bottleneck (I think what it is - you know) and consider the productivity of the enterprise for it.
            So, back to the equipment. It turns out that its production capacity depends on its performance, quantity and time of use. And how to calculate this time? And this is where the nuance that you missed begins
            If we take into account the calendar fund of time (365 days a year * 24 hours), we get the theoretical maximum power of the equipment, simply because it will never work 365/24.
            You can take the regime fund of time, this is the calendar minus holidays and weekends - this will be the maximum performance, provided that the PPR will be conducted on weekends and holidays. Given that such a load will only be a bottleneck (the rest will have additional time for repair and maintenance) - this is the maximum production capacity.
            But in the USSR, in which the shipyards we are discussing were built, they thought differently. They used an effective temporary fund, and this is a regime fund of time, reduced by the necessary and unscheduled repairs.
            That is, the maximum load of the shipyard, calculated according to this technique, is extremely close to optimal. Therefore, the optimal load of the shipyard is about 90% of the maximum, well, 85% is the edge, but not 70-80%.
            We even have USK shipyards loaded at 60% (according to Rakhmanov), the rest are even lower.
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 6 July 2020 14: 13 New
              +1
              I did the economic part of the graduation project according to quite old methods and always put in the denominator exactly the same maximum productivity minus non-working days.
              It could immediately be said that in this particular case, speech loading is considered a relatively effective temporary fund, and not pour out tons of pathos
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 July 2020 07: 30 New
                +1
                It could be. But alas, I don’t have a myelophone, and I don’t know exactly how you came to your conclusions, what you know about the topic, do you know the terminology, so I answered as detailed as possible. Actually, I don’t know anything about you.
      4. yehat2
        yehat2 11 July 2020 10: 49 New
        0
        firstly, the planned construction of the fleet is absurd to regulate the market.
        Tirpitz proved it when he built his fleet.
        Secondly, the specifics of providing the army with industrial capacities implies redundancy, and not only by the residual principle.
        Thirdly, I agree, the load of about 70% is close to optimum, but there are bottlenecks and the actual load looks somewhere around 300% and the queue, and somewhere around 30-40. So, not everything is rosy.
        Well, investing in India looks superlogical if you just look at the hari of those who pushed this project.
        And the last one. The commissaries who sold the equipment of the Soviet Union army in the 90s simply cry with envy when they look at today's fleet officers involved in providing it.
        I know several people, I do not want to call them officers who have become multimillionaires in 5 years of service in the Navy. Apparently, their salary was raised unrealistic)))
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 5 July 2020 12: 27 New
    -6
    Quote: NEXUS
    Plus, our presence in this area is directly in the Indian market,

    Andrew! hi
    It is very important for us to have our fulcrum for the Navy ships in the Indian Ocean. This is rest, repair, docking, and a change of crews so as not to drive one unit back and forth ...
    So, you need to buy - FOR THE PRESENCE! and for the sake of business - definitely!
    And the second. Our ships, although (so far) are small, are the best in the world in terms of wearable weapons! in terms of striking power per 1 ton of VI. This is recognized by everyone, incl. and our "partners". If we build for the countries of the region, then it is possible (if someone is not satisfied with our weapons) to install Israeli, French or German samples - at the request of the customer.
    The main thing, as V.S. Vysotsky, - "our penetration of the planet is especially noticeable in the distance!" (further off topic: in a public French toilet, there are inscriptions in Russian!) laughing
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 5 July 2020 20: 08 New
      0
      Maybe "Indian shipyard" will buy Vekselberg bully or Abramovich bully ... and donate to Russia? - We will agree with India on military orders, bring workers from Russia on a rotational basis, bring the "stuffing" of the ship from Russia - the final assembly on the mete ...
      1. Usher
        Usher 6 July 2020 15: 25 New
        0
        I saw an ad that workers on a shift to India are needed.
    2. yehat2
      yehat2 11 July 2020 10: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Our ships, although (so far) are small, are the best in the world in terms of wearable weapons! in terms of striking power per 1 ton of VI. This is recognized by everyone, incl. and our "partners".

      Do you compare the specific armament of an ocean-going and coastal ship?
      Well, maybe then take the purchase of Israel from Germany and compare with it?
      Then it will be honest and ours will lose.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 July 2020 13: 04 New
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    It’s not even about the enemies ... we desperately need shipyards, since ours are all loaded up to capacity.

    It is true that all shipyards are overloaded, and since1991 not a single new one has been built. All shipyards of the former GDR could be redeemed, there were attempts and even purchases, but everything flew away as always. The only opportunity is to buy a finished shipyard now, later it will be too late.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 July 2020 15: 45 New
    0
    I think there is a benefit, there are cheap labor and low environmental standards and make in India .... but it’s a pity that we don’t have it in our country.
  • Amin_vivec
    Amin_vivec 6 July 2020 00: 47 New
    +1
    Indians are actively buying our ships, and you need to build them there on the spot.
  • Genry
    Genry 5 July 2020 09: 58 New
    +1
    Here many were very worried: why in Russia they build little warships? Yes, just shipbuilding capacities are not enough.
    Here it is possible to throw part of civil orders at this Hindu shipyard, then their enterprises will be able to build a military commissariat more.

    And losses are usually due to lack of orders.
  • svp67
    svp67 5 July 2020 10: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: NIKNN
    Well, here the justified goal is to prevent enemies from registering there

    Yes, not only. India then begins to develop its fleet. So our ships will be there for them to build ...
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 5 July 2020 12: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, not only. India then begins to develop its fleet. So our ships will be there for them to build

      I think this is a "knight's move" ... To build warships for the Indians according to OUR projects, using a wide range of power plants and other things that cannot be supplied to Russia due to sanctions ... And what about profit? Profit is taken out by the OWNER. Most of what is called "capital export" in Russia is actually the profit of the owners of enterprises with foreign capital participation.
  • PalSanych
    PalSanych 5 July 2020 12: 01 New
    0
    The Chinese buy shipyards and then only the Chinese work there
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 July 2020 12: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: PalSanych
      The Chinese buy shipyards and then only the Chinese work there

      1. China, of course, might have bought it, but who would sell them !? India is now in opposition to the hongfuz, and how it will end is still unknown ...
      2. When our population will be 500 million people - then our workers will go to earn their daily bread abroad ... China has 1300 million people ... So let them go abroad a couple of thousand - just spit! Everything is normal with their labor resources, not like ours.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 July 2020 13: 16 New
      0
      Quote: PalSanych
      The Chinese buy shipyards and then only the Chinese work there

      The Chinese are now buying everything that is sold in the world. I would not be surprised if the Chinese buy out the Newport News Shipbuilding from the staff. With this state of the economy and unemployment in the United States, the color revolution, and the strengthening of Karona-19 (yesterday the number of infected was the largest since the beginning of the pandemic, 57 people).
  • Karabin
    Karabin 5 July 2020 12: 35 New
    +3
    Quote: NIKNN
    Well, here the justified goal is to prevent enemies from registering there,

    Enemies are our everything. laughing
  • Nosgoth
    Nosgoth 9 July 2020 10: 31 New
    0
    A shipyard for "foreign orders" to free up some of the capacity of its shipyards.
  • Alexey lebedev
    Alexey lebedev 5 July 2020 21: 00 New
    0
    It’s not a matter of debt. You can just make money on it.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 5 July 2020 12: 56 New
    0
    And Shaw? Again we will wallets shake? what Damn! Where am I and the state of Gujarat? So it turns out, the Indians are shipbuilders, but ours passed by ?! Peter I would love it!
  • Alexander Moiseev
    Alexander Moiseev 6 July 2020 07: 09 New
    0
    And who owes you, sick? Tell me, and we will knock out a small fraction of the debt!
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  • Fungus
    Fungus 5 July 2020 09: 15 New
    -1
    Why not. Not bad idea.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 5 July 2020 09: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Fungus
      Why not. Not bad idea.

      Only Indians will work there and it will be in the territory of another state. And so, all is well beautiful marquise ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 July 2020 09: 42 New
        -1
        And that net profit will go to Russia.
        1. Liam
          Liam 5 July 2020 10: 01 New
          +4
          Quote: Vadim237
          And that net profit will go to Russia.

          A net decrease?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 12: 40 New
            +4
            Quote: Liam
            A net decrease?

            Go to Vadik under the pillow that you worry then?
            1. Liam
              Liam 5 July 2020 13: 56 New
              +2
              Being under tough sanctions, the deeply unprofitable USC is buying a bankrupt shipyard with multi-billion-dollar debts, which nobody still wants to buy because of this ... with Vadik, the pillow will burst from the profit shaft
        2. Karabin
          Karabin 5 July 2020 12: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: Vadim237
          profits will go to Russia.

          By God, as little children. USC will buy an industrial shipyard, cover its debts - stage 1. Organizes a "daughter" ROSINDSUDNO with registration in Cyprus. - Stage 2.
          If you are lucky, some sort of boats will be built by an offshore daughter and will be selling to the RF Ministry of Defense - stage 3. And where is the profit to the Russian state?
          1. your1970
            your1970 5 July 2020 18: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Karabin
            boats will build an offshore daughter will sell the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
            -this is our Fleet’s profit !!!
      2. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 5 July 2020 11: 21 New
        -2
        BUT, make money in the budget of OUR.
        1. lucul
          lucul 5 July 2020 11: 38 New
          +5
          BUT, make money in the budget of OUR.

          So, for the overall development - for example, the automotive industry pulls 60 industries along it !!!!! This is metallurgy and chemical industry, electronics and more. The shipbuilding industry pulls no less. Therefore, your profit is just a miserable miser, from the money that will flow into the economy of India.
      3. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 5 July 2020 12: 18 New
        -7
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Only Indians will work there

        Ours do not want to go to work at the shipyard for the salaries of the Indians, and they also thump and drag everything that is bad.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 5 July 2020 14: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          Ours do not want to go to work at the shipyard for the salary of the Indians

          And they’re doing it right.
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          and also thump and drag everything that is bad.

          Do not judge by yourself.
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    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 5 July 2020 11: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Fungus
      Why not. Not bad idea.

      The idea is not bad, but is it realizable? The Chinese also wanted to buy Motor Sich from Ukropostan, but mattresses got into the deal and the deal did not take place. For the United States, any strengthening of the Russian position anywhere in the world is a painful factor, and therefore there is a vague premonition that in this case the mattresses will stick sticks in the wheels. Although, of course, India is not Ukraine and does not have such total dependence on the United States, nevertheless. Let's take a look.
  • seti
    seti 5 July 2020 09: 17 New
    +1
    Very interesting post. If you manage to control this shipyard with such a dock and full equipment, then this is probably a very good acquisition. The question is only the price .. It is a pity that it is far from us and the worker there will certainly not be ours. And we need shipbuilding capacities and such docks.
    1. Charik
      Charik 5 July 2020 09: 21 New
      -3
      why maybe they will send
      1. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 5 July 2020 09: 49 New
        +7
        we do not have enough skilled workers and engineers at our shipyards
        1. strelokmira
          strelokmira 5 July 2020 10: 16 New
          -1
          we do not have enough skilled workers and engineers at our shipyards

          We all lack, but the estimated unemployment at the end of the year is 8 million, who is preventing us from educating people and sending them to those industries where there are not enough?
          1. Ryaruav
            Ryaruav 5 July 2020 10: 21 New
            +4
            after all, they destroyed professionally = technical education, turners and milling machines of a wide profile refused to cook, they think that IT specialists can do well
            1. Grits
              Grits 5 July 2020 13: 56 New
              0
              Quote: Ryaruav
              they think some IT specialists do well

              You are mistaken. More lawyers, economists and managers
          2. K-612-O
            K-612-O 5 July 2020 10: 24 New
            0
            The lack of desire for these people to work with hands and learn to do it
            1. strelokmira
              strelokmira 5 July 2020 10: 31 New
              +2
              The lack of desire for these people to work with hands and learn to do it

              Oh, how about you? I look at everyone who lost their jobs in connection with the coronavirus, loafers and parasites, but there is no need to create new jobs in the country, it’s better to do it over the hill. Well settled
          3. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 5 July 2020 10: 46 New
            -4
            People themselves and interfere. They will not go to study as a machinist, they will wait until the very last until a vacancy appears in the office.
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 5 July 2020 16: 02 New
              0
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              They won’t go to study as a machinist,

              Firstly, everywhere qualified and experienced people are required, and secondly, few people will go to the dark and watch
          4. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 5 July 2020 13: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: strelokmira
            who interferes with educating people and directing to those where there are not enough
            We do not have a state program for the preparation of labor reserves for industry and HX in general. But besides this:
            1. Reluctance to relearn. Current want to do nothing and row the loot with a shovel! I didn’t see anyone who wanted to work in the sweat.
            2. Salaries ... well, very funny! Yes, then, when you become a PROFI, you can turn around, feel like a brow. But starting conditions kill any desire to hunch for a penny! (According to my subordinates).
            3. State policy in the promotion of working professions and the honor of engineering and other labor - schwach! We have pop, lyceum and beau monde - kings of the Mountain!
            4. The issue of educating the desire to work and get a normal (not nominal!) Pay for your work is missing.
            In short, the state has not yet turned its mug to a man of labor, and when this happens - only HIM is known!
            IMHO.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 12: 41 New
          0
          Quote: Ryaruav
          we do not have enough skilled workers and engineers at our shipyards

          And where did they not try to find out?
          1. Grits
            Grits 5 July 2020 13: 58 New
            0
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And where did they not try to find out?

            They trade in the market, in boutiques, as well as security guards in all kinds of desks and shops.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 5 July 2020 09: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: seti
      The question is only the price .. It is a pity that it is far from us and the worker there will certainly not be ours.

      Wow ... There is no reason to give Naftogaz for nothing, but is it expensive to buy a shipyard in the light of the implementation of programs for the construction of Navy ships? Yes, in this place there is a lot of things to be had, such as repairs or the same base ... The US does not bother that the staff is Chinese ...
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 5 July 2020 09: 29 New
        -2
        This shipyard is worth buying only because of the dock. Workers can be found. In Ukraine, half of the shipbuilders of Kherson and Nikolaev work in Poland and elsewhere. Offer a good salary - they will go there on foot.
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 5 July 2020 09: 43 New
          +5
          Quote: TermNachTER
          It’s worth buying only because of the dock.

          Do you already need to build docks in your shipyards then?
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 5 July 2020 09: 54 New
            +3
            When will they be built? There, they don’t even build in Murmansk, they remake it. It is not known when to finish it. Having your own shipyard in the Indian Ocean with a huge dock is interesting not only in terms of repairing ships serving the south, but also purely financially - repairing and building ships for foreign customers.
            1. Rzzz
              Rzzz 5 July 2020 10: 16 New
              +3
              In Murmansk exactly what is being built. There, the goal is to build, not to build. While building it is possible to cut budgets, as it will be ready - it will be necessary to work, repair ships at state prices.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 5 July 2020 15: 54 New
                -1
                Maybe. And in India there is already a ready-made dock, which can accept ships (vessels) and more than "Kuzya". Again, you don't have to spend money on heating. All the same, they owe money, as they say, "from a nasty sheep, even a tuft of wool."
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 5 July 2020 09: 26 New
      +8
      Quote: seti
      and the worker there will probably not be ours

      For the price of one Russian, say at the Baltic Plant in St. Petersburg, you can hire a dozen turkeys in India, and even put the savings in your pocket. True, the qualifications of these turkeys are such that in St. Petersburg they would only be trusted to wave a broom.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 09: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        For the price of one Russian, say at the Baltic Plant in St. Petersburg, you can hire a dozen turkeys in India,

        Not allowed. Our turkeys get a little more.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 09: 54 New
          -1
          And who slapped me a minus, prove with an example.
          1. Thunderbringer
            Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 11: 51 New
            -4
            But how do we know what is happening in Ukraine?
            We learn only from you. That's what a little more turkeys get. We are excited, as in comparison with ostriches.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 12: 24 New
              0
              Quote: Thunderbringer
              We are excited, as in comparison with ostriches.

              Goose pig is not a friend. And, yes, I live in the Tula region somehow, hesitated to explain the near.
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 5 July 2020 17: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And who slammed me minus

            Are you so excited about these pluses and minuses, is this with the epaulettes of the Marshal of the sofa troops? Well, keep the pluses, as many as 3 pieces, I do not mind, but you will cheer up for the whole day.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 6 July 2020 22: 34 New
              0
              Quote: Nagan
              Are you so excited about these pluses and minuses, is this with the epaulettes of the Marshal of the sofa troops?

              No, they don’t really care. But then tell me the arguments for what.
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 6 July 2020 22: 39 New
                0
                Here they minus without arguing. When there were flags (remember?) I regularly flew for Stars and Stripes. And now, those who remember are minus the gun. But personally, I put it on them. hi drinks
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 6 July 2020 22: 44 New
                  0
                  Quote: Nagan
                  When were the flags (remember?)

                  I remember. But still. Tomorrow I’ll go to work, 48 hours a week, 10 thousand rubles. How is it?
                  1. Revolver
                    Revolver 6 July 2020 22: 54 New
                    0
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    48 hours a week, 10 thousand rubles. How is it?

                    I am not aware of the purchasing power of the ruble; I left the USSR as well. And if at the rate, then 10000 rubles is about $ 140, if not enough per week, here unemployment benefits are about $ 700 per week. Especially if the week is 48 hours. Here the norms are 40, and for everything from above, those who have a normalized working day are doubly paid. Although these are mainly proletarians, white-collar workers work as long as they need for a fixed annual rate.
      2. depressant
        depressant 5 July 2020 09: 47 New
        +5
        Be sure to take! Based on the interests of developing the shelves of the Russian North. The fact is that in addition to a huge dock, which we do not have and is unlikely to have one in the coming years, the shipyard has a site for the construction of offshore platforms - this is what is important. The productivity of any shipyard is determined by the volume of steel processing. The capacity of the shipyard in Pipawawa (Gurjarat state) reaches 12 thousand tons of steel per day. It is the largest shipyard in India. Cooperation with our USC is long-standing, and even with Zvezdochka. USC people know what they are doing when they are going to buy a shipyard. Moreover, she is bankrupt, which means she is inexpensive.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 5 July 2020 11: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: depressant
          Must take! Based on the interests of the offshore development of the Russian North.

          And, if you go down to the ground, you need to take it only because of climatic conditions. There are no places in Russia with such a climate.
    4. convoy
      convoy 5 July 2020 09: 32 New
      -6
      Quote: seti
      Very interesting post. If you manage to control this shipyard with such a dock and full equipment, then this is probably a very good acquisition. The question is only the price .. It is a pity that it is far from us and the worker there will certainly not be ours. And we need shipbuilding capacities and such docks.

      Well, here the goal is twofold .. There you can create a Navy base .. You see the Indians decided to play it safe .. Russian, it’s always protection!
      And at the expense of jobs, there will be the main ones from Russia ..
    5. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 09: 32 New
      -2
      Quote: seti
      Surely this is a very good purchase.

      According to published data, the shipyard, which has been suffering losses for a long time, was put up for sale in late May,

      As I understand it, this is instead of the flooded drowned man?
    6. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 5 July 2020 10: 08 New
      -1
      Quote: seti
      good purchase.

      Why does no one want to buy this shipyard? And a debt of 1,6 billion dollars was formed?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 11: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Grazdanin
        Why does no one want to buy this shipyard?

        And we have the most efficient managers on the planet. We’ll buy everything.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 5 July 2020 11: 06 New
          0
          Yeah :) Turkey they build their UDC for 1,2 billion at their shipyard, we give away a large amount for no reason.
  • Charik
    Charik 5 July 2020 09: 19 New
    0
    in-in if the Danes redeem then NATO will immediately rub it
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 5 July 2020 09: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Charik
      if the Danes redeem then NATO will immediately rub there

      There are many shipyards in the world, some of them regularly go bankrupt. We’ll buy everything so that Nata won’t dig in?
      1. Charik
        Charik 5 July 2020 16: 37 New
        0
        In India, yes, the ocean, here it is-riveting PLCs and MrK-and release into the oceans
  • BARKAS
    BARKAS 5 July 2020 09: 20 New
    0
    If so, India is awaiting sanctions from the United States and they are unlikely to notice the possibility of such a deal.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 5 July 2020 09: 25 New
      0
      Quote: BARKAS
      If so, India is awaiting sanctions from the United States and they are unlikely to notice the possibility of such a deal.

      Yeah. An example of the Chinese and Motor Sich yells.
    2. convoy
      convoy 5 July 2020 09: 34 New
      -6
      Quote: BARKAS
      If so, India is awaiting sanctions from the United States and they are unlikely to notice the possibility of such a deal.

      Well, the US sanctions are now one laugh ..)))) .. Security is above !!!
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 5 July 2020 13: 21 New
        -1
        Quote: Konvoi
        Well, the US sanctions are now one laugh ..)))) .. Security is above !!!

        1. As for the sanctions. It would be funny if it were not so sad! According to the most conservative estimates, economic damage is estimated at 250-300 billion dollars.
        2. As for security - I agree.
        But this lady has many faces!
        We have provided military security. But technological, economic, and others - are we all right with them?
  • Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 5 July 2020 09: 21 New
    11
    And I agree with one of the very adequate bloggers: "On the part of bmpd, we note that the desire of USC to acquire an openly problematic and chronically unprofitable Indian shipyard is only perplexing, in view of the fact that USC itself is tightly dependent on government subsidies and is unable to effectively modernize its Russian enterprises. Russian factories and Russian workers are unlikely to be positively approved by the public. "
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 5 July 2020 09: 42 New
      +2
      Well, when the Finnish shipyards bought unprofitable, no one bukht, and did it quietly. Now they are quite cost-effective and make diesel icebreakers and Arc4-5 tugboats and anglers.
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 5 July 2020 10: 27 New
      -2
      Quote: Sibiryak 66
      with one of the very adequate bloggers: "From the outside bmpd

      laughing laughing laughing
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 12: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Paranoid50
        bmpd

        In addition to emoticons, what do we object?
  • demo
    demo 5 July 2020 09: 25 New
    +1
    I would have thought thirty times about buying such a property in India.
    Oh, what dances we only performed by the Indians did not see.
    And still we stubbornly climb "on cacti" like those hedgehogs.
    If of course you need real estate outside the legal field of the Russian Federation, then yes.
    The very thing is to hide the money.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 5 July 2020 10: 29 New
      +1
      Here, everything is better with the economy, it works all year round, energy and heating costs are lower, raw materials and labor are cheaper, there are no social loads, taxes are lower, and as a result, the final price of the ship is much lower than building with us.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 July 2020 09: 31 New
    +2
    I think it's not a good idea. The Americans will impose sanctions against this Indian wonderwork and will have to sell with a good "discount". Although our businessmen have a lot of experience avoiding Russian taxes. Maybe they will come up with the "hawkeye" of Sam's grandfather.
  • Junior Warrant Officer
    Junior Warrant Officer 5 July 2020 09: 32 New
    +1
    An Indian shipyard may be unprofitable for the following reasons:
    - Lack of engineers
    - Lack of skilled workers
    - Outdated equipment
    - Lack of modern technology
    - Sophisticated logistics
    - Non-compliance with environmental standards
    This can be compared with the adoption of the Sevastopol plant named after Ordzhonikidze in the OSK, which for all the time spent in its native harbor was able to make only a floating crane pontoon. The company is unprofitable, for the reasons listed above. The purchase of another, albeit foreign illiquid, product will not be pulled out of our shipbuilding program.
    The problem is being solved from the wrong end, however - this is the diagnosis ....
    1. demo
      demo 5 July 2020 11: 15 New
      +3
      You have not listed:
      - non-compliance with our GOSTs and Indian national standards;
      - Lack of officially approved interchangeable grades of steel and alloys;
      -low liability for violation of the quality of the supplied products;
      - priority of national over foreign. Including in the legislation.

      And that is not all.
      1. cniza
        cniza 5 July 2020 12: 08 New
        +1
        And if you look at this shipyard, as the service base of our Navy?
        1. Junior Warrant Officer
          Junior Warrant Officer 5 July 2020 12: 37 New
          0
          Quote: cniza
          And if you look at this shipyard, as the service base of our Navy?

          Right! You can also place our missiles, helicopters and radars there! The main thing is not to tell the Indians about this, otherwise the deal will fail.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 5 July 2020 09: 39 New
    +4
    Ha, they destroyed Sibtyazhmash, now look for where there are heavy-duty cranes, but you could have your own.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 July 2020 09: 43 New
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    The acquisition objectives are not clear.
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  • Klingon
    Klingon 5 July 2020 09: 52 New
    +2
    right now, striped hyenas will begin to howl at the Indians so that they dare not sell the shipyard of the Russian Federation, or else it will be Sankskrit! wassat
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 July 2020 12: 06 New
      +1
      Well, this can’t do without it, but the power of howling is not the same ...
  • Asad
    Asad 5 July 2020 09: 52 New
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    The funny thing is that the shipyard will buy, and the United States will announce the sanctions again, they will not rust!
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 July 2020 12: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: ASAD
      The funny thing is that the shipyard will buy, and the United States will announce the sanctions again, they will not rust!


      So what ? Let them announce ...
  • Dikson
    Dikson 5 July 2020 10: 05 New
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    Nnda .. well done gypsies .. territory suitable only for a container terminal is sold to Russians as a completely working enterprise ..- so it seems to be written in the article? After paying the debts, Russia will obviously fill the oceans with giant gas carriers, tankers, and aircraft carriers ... Ah! also Leaders ..
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 5 July 2020 10: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Dikson
      territory suitable only for a container terminal,

      laughing laughing laughing The trouble is the trouble ...
      the shipyard is the largest shipbuilding company in India, with a huge dry construction dock 662 m long and 65 m wide, capable of accommodating ships of any size. The dock is equipped with two 600-ton large Goliath cranes with a lifting capacity of 1200 tons. There is also a site for the construction of offshore oil and gas production platforms with dimensions of 750 by 265 m, an extension berth of 300 m and extension embankments with a length of 720 m. It is alleged that the shipyard’s capacity can handle up to 12 thousand tons of steel per day.
      Read and understood diagonally and that, apparently, is not completely ...
      Danish container shipping company request located next to the shipyard and not hiding that the territory of the shipyard is needed only to expand the territory of the port.
      And these are problems exclusively of Danish hucksters. yes
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 10: 50 New
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        Quote: Paranoid50
        There is also a site for the construction of offshore oil and gas production platforms with dimensions of 750 by 265 m, an extension berth of 300 m and extension embankments with a length of 720 m. It is alleged that the shipyard’s capacity can handle up to 12 thousand tons of steel per day.
        Read and understood diagonally and that, apparently, is not completely ...

        , the shipyard, which has been suffering losses for a long time, was put up for sale in late May,

        What do you think?
  • bbss
    bbss 5 July 2020 10: 18 New
    +4
    Here you go ... feed the Indians! What, we all have shipyards in chocolate?
  • NordUral
    NordUral 5 July 2020 10: 26 New
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    If the mind, then the thing is good. But the mattresses will ban this deal, which is very likely.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 5 July 2020 10: 27 New
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    And flooding for kuzi with this money is not more rational to buy? And then they can squeeze the shipyard once, pay the workers, and not ours, two of us, there’s probably no technology there, three, And in the country there is apparently nothing to build already-boat motors are well sold for sale. There are a lot of questions.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 5 July 2020 10: 36 New
    +1
    It’s better to develop and load your capacities ... including export orders ... such a business is a very controversial decision ... and even more so since the purchase of a shipyard will not bring us fundamentally new technologies ...
  • Victor67
    Victor67 5 July 2020 10: 40 New
    +4
    It seems to me alone that for 1,6 billion dollars, that this shipyard should only, from scratch can build a shipyard of any size anywhere in Russia? And to give people work with us: builders and shipbuilders. Yes, for such grandmothers a shipyard can be cut off in the center of Moscow and a channel can be dug to the nearest sea!
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 10: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Victor67
      It seems to me alone that for 1,6 billion dollars, that this shipyard should only, from scratch can build a shipyard of any size anywhere in Russia? And to give people work with us: builders and shipbuilders.

      Nah ... We need to buy a rotten cap and report.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 July 2020 13: 47 New
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      Quote: Victor67
      Yes, for such grandmothers a shipyard can be cut off in the center of Moscow and a channel can be dug to the nearest sea!

      Yeah! Straight to the Indian Ocean! And the base will be even where! for our ships of the Indian squadron (I hope to be reborn soon!) yes
      Or is it just smart enough to stare at "today", but don't think about tomorrow at all? ... Well, of course: the state approach to ensuring Russian interests in the region ...
      Look at the People's Republic of China - hongfuzy climb into Africa like flies on .... honey. They need a black continent for some reason, and we Indus. ok - no!
      And the acquisition of a fulcrum for the Russian fleet in Indus. the ocean is an impossible dream for you and an impossible goal - so what?
      1. Victor67
        Victor67 5 July 2020 23: 23 New
        -1
        I, unlike you, have enough intelligence only to think about where my grandmothers paid in taxes go: personal income tax, VAT, I pay tens of thousands of rubles for each bunch, they sent 23 thousand taxes for a car ... And I don’t quite understand why I need this shipyard in India for my grandmothers with their, to put it mildly, strange staff and logistics from us half the world. Not so long ago, these subwits managed to burn the submarines at the pier before flooding, can you imagine this somewhere in Severomorsk? A boat connected to all communications caught fire near the wall in Mumbai and sank there ??? And about interests: tell me directly what are your personal interests in the Indian Ocean? Goa fly to relax, to Sri Lanka, Maldives? So fly, there you will be welcomed without a navy base. And no one needs a foothold in that ocean, since there is no one to go there, for nothing and for nothing, something like that ... Even the omnipresent Americans do not climb with their aircraft carriers there, there are no and there can be no interests except tea, spices and cheap prostitutes from Phuket.
        1. Liam
          Liam 5 July 2020 23: 29 New
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          Quote: Victor67
          Not so long ago, these subwits managed to burn the submarines at the pier before flooding, can you imagine this somewhere in Severomorsk?

          Severodvinsk is where the floating dock sank recently, the crane pierced the deck of an aircraft carrier and a few months later the same aircraft carrier caught fire ?. This is not to mention the almost annual fires on refurbished submarines?
          1. Victor67
            Victor67 5 July 2020 23: 36 New
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            All that you called is civilian personnel with a certain share of indifference and idiocy, provided there is complete disruption in the training of personnel in the lost vocational schools and technical schools. I'm talking about a ship standing in service, having a full-time crew on board. The Indians did just that.
      2. Victor67
        Victor67 5 July 2020 23: 30 New
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        Yes, another thing: the Chinese rod to Africa to pump resources from there and push their goods in to them, there the people multiply like locusts, the market is huge. But who told you that Indians will allow you to rebuild a commercial shipyard into the Russian Navy base on its territory?
  • bar
    bar 5 July 2020 10: 57 New
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    has a huge dry construction dock with a length of 662 m and a width of 65 m, capable of accommodating ships of any size

    That's so many-way. what
    Kuzyu will be taken there now?
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 July 2020 12: 03 New
      +1
      It is quite possible that in the future it can be serviced there.
    2. Alien ...
      Alien ... 5 July 2020 14: 47 New
      -1
      You decided to drown there?
  • iouris
    iouris 5 July 2020 11: 01 New
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    Shtoli Lizaveta Peskova engaged in over-production?
    1. Junior Warrant Officer
      Junior Warrant Officer 5 July 2020 12: 42 New
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      I would like you, but because of the minuses I can not!
      Not everyone will understand what you said, this is not given to everyone. This is the topic you need to be)
  • Hikaro
    Hikaro 5 July 2020 11: 05 New
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    My opinion is that this venture will end badly! Money will be spent and considerable, but the result will be awesome! Plus there is a chance that the Indians will push the shipyard as soon as they upgrade for Russian investments! I had to work with Indians, technical literacy is low, caste society creates additional difficulties! The attitude to work is irresponsible! Accordingly, the quality of work will be much lower! And why all these problems of our corporation ?? I do not understand! It’s easier then to order from China! And it’s better to develop your capacities!
    1. Whirlwind
      Whirlwind 5 July 2020 11: 29 New
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      They’ll listen to you and don’t buy you right now.
    2. bar
      bar 5 July 2020 12: 12 New
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      Money will be spent and considerable, but the result will be awesome!

      I think there is a barter deal so that the striped paws are not imposed. We give them the planes that they want sharply, they ship us the shipyard. In principle, normal. It will be possible to stir up the supply base of the fleet there instead of the Vietnamese one. Yes, and "Kuzyu" will be shamanized where.
    3. Victor67
      Victor67 5 July 2020 23: 43 New
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      And I, having been many times in India, observed this picture: an Indian is standing, waiting for a bus, comes in for a stop in the city center, raises the floor of his outfit, sits down and poops. Then, without wiping his ass, he gets on the bus and drove home. In this case, mercilessly thump and everything, from adolescents to the elderly.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 5 July 2020 11: 44 New
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    hi
    Quote: NIKNN
    Well, there is a justified goal

    So USC deliberately fight unemployment in India? What, our shipbuilders have sufficient funding, docks, slipways all built? Now the government will have help asking for and developing its foreign property. And it will give out other people's debts. OSK is not a private shop, it budget is expensive!
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 July 2020 12: 02 New
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      Our navy base would have looked very good there, and at the same time ships were being built and repaired.
  • Eug
    Eug 5 July 2020 11: 50 New
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    They will "repair" (and actually base) the ships of the Russian Navy - directly on the basis of the oil supply route to Southeast Asia ....
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 July 2020 12: 00 New
      +2
      Yes, the place is very promising and strategic ...
    2. Victor67
      Victor67 5 July 2020 23: 48 New
      +1
      And what is the matter to our Navy before oil supplies to Southeast Asia? Do you think they can’t do without us?
  • cniza
    cniza 5 July 2020 11: 59 New
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    To date, the shipyard is the largest shipbuilding company in India, with a huge dry construction dock 662 m long and 65 m wide, capable of accommodating ships of any size. The dock is equipped with two 600-ton large Goliath cranes with a lifting capacity of 1200 tons. There is also a site for the construction of offshore oil and gas production platforms with dimensions of 750 by 265 m, an extension berth of 300 m and extension embankments with a length of 720 m. It is alleged that the shipyard’s capacity can handle up to 12 thousand tons of steel per day.


    The potential is very impressive ...
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 5 July 2020 12: 07 New
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    They want to buy apparently with an eye on the Indian market, both the civilian and military sectors, well, the construction of large ships and offshore platforms is not excluded, the price for a shipyard on a global scale is not very large
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 5 July 2020 12: 44 New
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    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Quote: NEXUS
    closed port for our submarines. It would be generally wonderful.

    Russian nuclear-powered missile-carrying submarine cruiser of Project 949A Antey K-119 Voronezh at the pier in ZATO Zaozersk. Photo 18.06.2020. On the back board is a five-story abandoned building with half boarded up windows. Probably better to create a modern infrastructure in Zaozersk than in India !? Or you need to help the brotherly people of India with money.

    I agree with you that first of all you need to take care of yourself - that's all right ..... but here you are a little confused. A shipyard is going to buy, not a residential town (village). Is an abandoned house a shipyard? These houses are abandoned because they reduced the military unit and brought the people out.
  • Alien ...
    Alien ... 5 July 2020 13: 23 New
    +1
    ... Who has not drowned here yet? Then USC comes to you ...
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 5 July 2020 15: 10 New
    +2
    we have our businesses so busy, nowhere to do work, right? We’ve already raised our economy, now let's help the Indians ...)))
  • the same doctor
    the same doctor 5 July 2020 17: 36 New
    +2
    That's right. Instead of building shipyards on their territory, giving work, development, education to their workers, these wise-crooks will give their ships market to foreigners.
  • Aleksandr123
    Aleksandr123 5 July 2020 17: 44 New
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    "USC intends to buy the largest Indian shipyard"
    And fall under the anti-Russian sanctions, so popular now?
    After all, even on their territory they are trying to sanction us from all the cracks. This will not be another migraine?
    1. Usher
      Usher 6 July 2020 15: 31 New
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      Quote: Aleksandr123
      "USC intends to buy the largest Indian shipyard"
      And fall under the anti-Russian sanctions, so popular now?
      After all, even on their territory they are trying to sanction us from all the cracks. This will not be another migraine?

      afraid of sanctions, then maybe it’s generally easier to hang yourself?
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 5 July 2020 17: 55 New
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    This is possibly important.
    But USC does not want to invest in its SZ for an hour?
    It is not the first day that I have been soldering rails for rolling out a nobody's "order" "Bison" from the third workshop to be sent to Sevas far ...
    And to put it mildly, white helmets do not help me much. But they require time. And as if there is an understanding ...! That with such security these terms are utopia fellow
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 5 July 2020 18: 08 New
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    A good shipyard in Russia will not hurt, but for those who are not far away, good shipyards have always been worth its weight in gold
    1. K298rtm
      K298rtm 5 July 2020 21: 05 New
      +1
      1. The shipyard is probably good, but since it has debts, it is an inefficient business.
      2. Who will work there? Where do hundreds (or even thousands, judging by the scale of the shipyard) of highly skilled shipbuilders come from?
  • fa2998
    fa2998 5 July 2020 18: 13 New
    -1
    Quote: Eug
    They will "repair" (and actually base) the ships of the Russian Navy - directly on the basis of the oil supply route to Southeast Asia ....

    I thought you need to protect your oil, not Saudi.
    1. Usher
      Usher 6 July 2020 15: 31 New
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      And who is protecting her?
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 5 July 2020 18: 27 New
    +2
    least
    - a ready-made shipyard for the construction of large platforms in the unbroken ocean
    - cheap labor (bring-give)
    - base for emergency repairs of ships of the Russian Navy
    - temporary basing-refueling of the Russian Navy ships patrolling the Gulf of Aden
    this is the minimum and what is important is the "shock" cover of Syria from the "rear"
    1. Adimius38
      Adimius38 6 July 2020 07: 06 New
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      quite true, but in order to understand this one must be able to think, but judging by the comments to many here it is not given
  • AML
    AML 5 July 2020 20: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: Karabin
    Quote: Vadim237
    profits will go to Russia.

    By God, as little children. USC will buy an industrial shipyard, cover its debts - stage 1. Organizes a "daughter" ROSINDSUDNO with registration in Cyprus. - Stage 2.
    If you are lucky, some sort of boats will be built by an offshore daughter and will be selling to the RF Ministry of Defense - stage 3. And where is the profit to the Russian state?


    Cyprus, already 10 years as not an offshore.
  • AML
    AML 5 July 2020 20: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Alexey from Perm
    we have our businesses so busy, nowhere to do work, right? We’ve already raised our economy, now let's help the Indians ...)))


    Will you go to work for a cup of rice? Not? It’s strange. There is work, but you don’t want to work.
    1. tech3030
      tech3030 6 July 2020 17: 02 New
      +1
      Well, you’ll get a cup of rice!
  • IC
    IC 5 July 2020 20: 56 New
    +1
    If the shipyard is sold and has large losses, then only a large corporation with financial resources and a large sales market can buy it. USC is a loss-making company that exists only under state subsidies. It does not have an international market. You can buy at the expense of taxpayers, but it will be an investment with prospects, like Rosneft in Venezuela. Sad experience in shipbuilding is already there. We bought shipyards in Germany and Finland.
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 5 July 2020 21: 04 New
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    huge construction dry dock with a length of 662 m and a width of 65 m, capable of accommodating ships of any size. The dock is equipped with two 600-ton large Goliath cranes with a lifting capacity of 1200 tons
    outbuilding berth of 300 m and outfitting embankments 720 m long. It is alleged that the shipyard’s capacities can handle up to 12 thousand tons of steel per day

    However, it is worth recognizing that the parameters of the dry dock and cranes and the outfitting berth / embankment allow aircraft carriers to be built.
    The Soviet Union built aircraft carriers in Nikolaev, however, for Russia and USC, the Nikolaev shipyards were lost. It is a fact.
    Is it worth it to understand that, having no opportunity to return the Nikolaev shipyard, USC decided to buy this shipyard in India (sort of like a friendly country) for the construction of aircraft carriers ???
    1. Victor67
      Victor67 5 July 2020 23: 58 New
      +1
      Yes, that's right, in a month the first aircraft carrier will be laid down, 2030 of them will be riveted up to 10, about 50 destroyers will be assembled at neighboring shipyards to create AUGs, 10 nuclear submarines there, and at the Indian aviation enterprises they will raise air wings for these AUGs. That's just with the AWACS left to decide, probably in Pakistan they will do ...
  • serg2108
    serg2108 5 July 2020 23: 33 New
    +1
    They can’t build at home anymore, staff starvation is huge, experts already reckon here they are sending money to India - from the point of development of relations with the Indians, in principle, they are doing everything right, but where the government is looking at this is the question, our shipbuilding industry does not have enough capacity for building ships (dry docks) would be right to start building at least 3 large enterprises similar to this shipyard - add 1 in the east and 2 in the north!
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 6 July 2020 02: 41 New
    0
    beautiful, no need to build
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 6 July 2020 02: 42 New
    0
    Quote: serg2108
    They can’t build at home anymore, staff starvation is huge, experts already reckon here they are sending money to India - from the point of development of relations with the Indians, in principle, they are doing everything right, but where the government is looking at this is the question, our shipbuilding industry does not have enough capacity for building ships (dry docks) would be right to start building at least 3 large enterprises similar to this shipyard - add 1 in the east and 2 in the north!

    tell me why build your own, for what? !!!!
  • Alexander Moiseev
    Alexander Moiseev 6 July 2020 07: 05 New
    0
    Even India has gone far from Russia in technology.
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 6 July 2020 11: 54 New
    +1
    At one time, they planned to hire Indians to Russian shipyards; there were not enough workers.
    And now they bought the shipyard right away, the Indians are included in the kit.
  • Usher
    Usher 6 July 2020 15: 28 New
    -3
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Fungus
    Why not. Not bad idea.

    Only Indians will work there and it will be in the territory of another state. And so, all is well beautiful marquise ...

    Do not twist the bags, do you know all the conditions and plans? No, then you write all kinds of misinformation, if you don’t know, be silent!
  • tech3030
    tech3030 6 July 2020 17: 00 New
    +1
    Let's feed the Indians, why should we eat ?! Why at home to develop shipbuilding, jobs? Why do we need all this!?
  • AML
    AML 6 July 2020 18: 19 New
    -1
    Quote: tech3030
    Let's feed the Indians, why should we eat ?! Why at home to develop shipbuilding, jobs? Why do we need all this!?


    There are 2 designers
    - specials costs 100 euros per hour
    - Indian / Pakistani / Filipino costs 5 euros per hour.

    For "angry" you need a special
    For "cheap" you need an Indian
    For "cheap and cheerful" Indian + special. A more competent designer sets the base and eliminates. A crowd of Hindus outlines everything in detail, then the spec all leads to a human form. Mustache.

    For money several times, or even tens of times, more economically. Design speed and quality at an acceptable level.

    Business and nothing personal.

    When the big corporations do push the ball under themselves, the "Indians" will be up to 90% of the population. The ideology is different: you need skills, knowledge is not needed.
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 6 July 2020 20: 44 New
    -1
    We need such facilities to create a real Far Eastern fleet, and faster than the Pacific Fleet.