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It was yours - it became ours. Venezuelan gold left in the UK

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Source: travelask.ru


Maduro's mistake


The strategy of storing the power’s gold reserves in the banks of a foreign country is quite risky. As an example, we can mention India (1991), which, on credit, sent 8 tons of gold to the UK. The country has paid off its debt for a long time, but part of the country's gold reserves are still not at home. The British explain everything with safety requirements, they say, their gold will be calmer. Another major holder of third-party gold resources is the United States. Many countries have prudently exported their stocks from the US Federal Reserve. This is what Turkey did after aggravation of relations against the backdrop of an attempted coup in 2016. There were no coup attempts in Germany, but in 2017, this country withdrew half of its rather large supply from the USA ahead of schedule. Interestingly, the Germans explained this step by the need to increase the national identity of the people: the gold of Germany should be in German banks. It was not allowed to take out all the stock from the USA then, but then the European countries started moving: Germany decided for a reason like that. However, the massive export of gold reserves did not happen.


Nicolas Maduro. Source: Manaure Quintero. Reuters

Nicholas Maduro in this stories did not have time to demand the removal of the national gold heritage of Venezuela from Great Britain in time. Actually, this is the president’s key mistake. Why didn’t he? Probably because the British kept no more than 1,8 billion dollars in gold, but the main supply was still at home. But not the most effective economic policy (to put it mildly) of the Venezuelan leadership and low oil prices led to a national catastrophe. As a result, Maduro had no choice but to start selling gold. But due to potential US sanctions, few will agree to buy bullion with the stigma of the Central Bank of Venezuela. Therefore, last year, several tons of gold were transferred to Uganda to the African Gold Refinery (AGR) for smelting. Further, traces of Venezuelan gold are lost: according to experts, Iran, Turkey or the UAE could acquire it. It is noteworthy that, according to The Wall Street Journal, gold worth more than $ 300 million was taken out by two flights in March on Russian charter liners. Russia is not the only country to whom Maduro entrusted such a crucial mission: in 2018, the Turkish company Sardes exported $ 900 million worth of gold for sale. There were also irreparable losses. In June 2019, Venezuela lost gold by at least $ 1,4 billion, which is about 30 tons of precious metal. It was lost, not sold. Citibank and Deutsche Bank, which previously issued loans to the country against gold, fell under US sanctions and decided to "forgive" the debts of Venezuela. Naturally leaving gold to yourself. According to Bloomberg, Citibank confiscated gold for $ 400 million, and Deutsch Bank - for 1 billion.

Democracy Games


Great Britain is potentially a very rich country. There are at least 400 thousand gold bars in its vaults with a total value of 244,6 billion dollars, of which only a part (no more than 310 tons) belongs to the British. This makes the island nation the world's second largest depository of gold reserves (in the first place is the US Federal Reserve). At the same time, the Americans still do not know exactly how much gold they have in their piggy bank. Officially, at the beginning of July, it was 8133 tons (in this the United States ranks first in the world), but a stock audit has not been carried out for a very long time. Trump initially made an attempt to count gold at least at Fort Knox, but he was advised to do so. A similar story with Germany's gold reserves: according to all reports, at least half are stored in the USA, but it is impossible to conduct an independent audit of reserves in New York's vaults. For reference: Germany now officially owns 3364 tons of gold - this is the second place in the world.

Since the end of 2018, Venezuela has been trying in vain to access its own gold stored in the Bank of England. It was necessary to knock out the precious metal from the UK through the judicial authorities, but, as it became known a few days ago, the English court only supported the decision of the country's bank. The motivation in the UK is very simple: Maduro is not the president of Venezuela, because it was decided in the United States. And Judge Nigel Tiar said that the UK government, following the United States, “unequivocally recognized” Juan Guaido as President of Venezuela. On Twitter from the Central Bank of Venezuela appeared insignificant:

"The Central Bank will immediately appeal the absurd and unusual decision of the English court, which intends to deprive the Venezuelan people of the gold so necessary to combat the COVID-19 pandemic."

At first, Maduro even decided to expel the European Union ambassador from the country, but changed his mind.

The position of Great Britain in this story is very interesting. On the one hand, the state has a small (300-ton) gold reserve (19th place in the world top ranking). But the giant reserves of other people's gold allow the country not to particularly care about its own piggy bank - at any time, you can be denied a refund under various pretexts. As demonstrated by the situation with Venezuela. And the non-recognition of Maduro’s authority is not the only reason. It is obvious that Great Britain openly overslept the global trend for buying gold - a precarious geopolitical situation prompted many states to do so. And now the coronavirus turned out to be an additional problem, adding uncertainty to the future. Which of the countries that keep the British gold is safe from a situation similar to Venezuelan? At best, applicants can rely on loans secured by their own gold.


Juan Guaido. Source: Manaure Quintero. Reuters

The failure to return gold to Venezuela, of course, will not lead to the momentary accession in Caracas of the "real president" Juan Guaido, who, incidentally, enthusiastically welcomed the decision of the British court. The British only added suffering to the Venezuelans, prompting them in the best tradition of exporting democracies to a bloody confrontation with the regime. Following the logic of the court, gold should be given to Guaido, but this also becomes a problem. Firstly, he will not be able to spend money on popular needs, since he does not have real power in the country. And secondly, no one excludes that this will only further promote the civil war in Venezuela. Therefore, if Guaido gets gold, it is solely on the security of folk gold, permanently settled in the UK.

The situation with the actual robbery of the sovereign state of Venezuela by Great Britain raises a lot of questions for Russia. On the one hand, we should not worry about this: almost 2,3 thousand tons of Russian gold are stored at home. But, on the other hand, Russia's material resources are not entirely invested in gold. A large part is stored in debt securities of the US Federal Reserve. Of course, the Americans will not freeze and confiscate these assets without warning, as this will seriously affect the reputation of the States themselves. It is possible that in response to such provocative actions, a lot of countries will rush to withdraw their assets from American hands, and this will cause a collapse of almost global proportions. To realize this, just look at the external debt of the United States. To freeze assets, we need a very serious demonization of Russia and the country's leadership. And the first call already seemed to be: the US Senate is seriously considering imposing personal sanctions on President Putin and his inner circle in connection with the allegedly possible connection between Russia and the Taliban. The next step could be the announcement of tyranny in Russia and the complete freezing of assets by analogy with Venezuela.
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  1. Courier
    Courier 4 July 2020 05: 34 New
    -79
    Gold has long been not used in international settlements, which means its value is exaggerated.
    "Gold" today is the US dollar.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 4 July 2020 05: 45 New
      16
      This is an asset, on the security of which you can always get amounts of money in excess of its value. And a pretty obvious product. Especially in a crisis.
      The only question is: do they continue to deposit gold in the USA and Britain? Or stopped doing it?
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 4 July 2020 06: 33 New
        23
        Keeping one’s wealth in foreign countries or in the wrong hands, for example, of one’s own savings in banks, has always amazed me with my recklessness! After all thus, you do not own your wealth, but those who dispose of it.

        Remember the financial pyramids of the 1990s in the Russian Federation such as "MMM"!
        Why did Mavrodi understand this, while others did not? Because he was a mathematician by education and that’s why he was all this obvious? That investing all your savings under the promised high%, you can lose almost everything!

        In this regard, De Gaulle was a very clever and far-sighted politician.
        General Charles De Gaulle understood all this very well and acted in the interests of France in the international arena in the banking sector!

        He was not afraid to challenge the US and bankers. General Charles De Gaulle v. World Government • Aug 13 2018 year
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 4 July 2020 07: 05 New
          +7
          The situation with the actual robbery of the sovereign state of Venezuela by Great Britain poses a lot of questions to Russia.
          To realize this just look at the external debt of the United States.

          To freeze assets (in the same Russian Federation), a very serious demonization of Russia and the country's leadership is needed.
          And the first call already seemed to be: the US Senate is seriously considering imposing personal sanctions on President Putin and his inner circle in connection with the allegedly possible connection between Russia and the Taliban. The next step could be the announcement in Russia of tyranny and complete freezing of Russian assets by analogy with Venezuela.

          Very good article!
          The author, Yevgeny Fedorov, has long posed and constantly voiced this question, but because of the strangeness of it, for some reason our leadership of the country DOES NOT HEAR at all? !!!
          It would be interesting to know - why ???
          It must be assumed that precisely because private-ownership assets over the hill are more expensive for our officials and oligarchs than the national assets of our country, which they represent.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 4 July 2020 08: 02 New
            10
            Russia does not store gold in other countries
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 4 July 2020 08: 26 New
              10
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Russia does not store gold in other countries

              Russia buys bonds of other countries, and sells gold.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 4 July 2020 09: 05 New
                +7
                But the gold reserve is growing, nonetheless.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 11 July 2020 21: 03 New
                  0
                  Arguments, alas, do not work well against emotions.
            2. Boris55
              Boris55 4 July 2020 09: 06 New
              -14
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Russia does not store gold in other countries

              Does not store, she just takes it out. You can easily find an interesting document on the internet:

              "AGREEMENT
              BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNION OF SOVIET
              SOCIALIST REPUBLIC AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED
              KINGDOMS OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND
              ON THE SETTLEMENT OF MUTUAL FINANCIAL
              AND PROPERTY CLAIMS


              (London, January 5, 1968) "




              According to this arrangement, the extraction of gold on the Lena River and the gold itself belongs to small-shaving. Pay attention to the year and remember who ruled the country.
              1. Motorist
                Motorist 4 July 2020 16: 30 New
                +7
                Quote: Boris55
                According to this arrangement, the extraction of gold on the Lena River and the gold itself belongs to small-shaving.

                You throw up! I was not too lazy and found this agreement on the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - there isn’t such a thing there; the agreement is exactly what its title is about.
                https://www.mid.ru/foreign_policy/international_contracts/2_contract/-/storage-viewer/bilateral/page-554/52010
            3. fif21
              fif21 4 July 2020 21: 14 New
              0
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Russia does not store gold in other countries

              And rightly so! I wouldn’t even trust the Swiss bank with the gold of the country, and there’s nothing to say about the arrogant Saxons. Where is the pay for Alaska !? - Drowned! wassat Where is the royal gold !? Relatives Nicholas! wassat Where is Kolchak's gold !? Where is the gold of the Communist Party!? .... Arrest all assets of the Naglo-Saxons in Venezuela and Russia (reset their assets in the oil and gas, gold and diamond sectors of the economy ...) Stop selling on the London Commodity and Raw Materials Exchange of Hydrocarbons (There is a Moscow ) There is a lot of things, but only our desire to do this hurray - there are no globalists! hi
              1. Sergey Sfiedu
                Sergey Sfiedu 4 July 2020 21: 37 New
                0
                "Arrest all assets of the Naglo-Saxons in Venezuela and Russia (zero their assets in the oil and gas, gold and diamond sectors of the economy ...) Stop selling on the London Commodity Exchange of Hydrocarbons" - you are an eccentric. You propose to cut the branch on which the Russian economy sits. After that, no one will invest a cent in our economy. And they will not buy our oil in the existing volumes either. Even now, sales have fallen sharply due to the crisis and the agreement with the Saudis. Maduro had to think about his gold earlier, before he got into a mess with the West. The USSR at one time also laid its hand on Spanish gold, so that the Britons did not invent anything new.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 4 July 2020 21: 55 New
                  +2
                  American assets were already nationalized there. ..for this and the struggle for democracy has begun
                  1. Sergey Sfiedu
                    Sergey Sfiedu 4 July 2020 22: 22 New
                    +1
                    Here before nationalizing - and it was necessary to export or sell gold. And in general, before nationalizing the oil industry, Chavez and Maduro had to think about how to deal with it further. It was nationalized or nationalized, but they immediately drove it into a severe systemic crisis, ceasing to update fixed assets, dispersing qualified personnel and ceasing to develop new deposits.
                2. fif21
                  fif21 5 July 2020 21: 35 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
                  Stop selling on the London Commodity Exchange of Hydrocarbons "- you eccentric.

                  Russia sells gas, oil, fuels and lubricants under long-term contracts, and the price is set in London! This is normal? And why is the price of hydrocarbons on the St. Petersburg Exchange higher than on the London? Because in Piterskaya - the real price of supply and demand, and in London it is speculative.
                  Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
                  After that, no one will invest a cent in our economy.

                  Invest, as invest Germans and Turks are an example of this. Who else needs war instead of business?
                  Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
                  Maduro had to think about his gold before he messed with the West.

                  You always need to think! And to know that in the world there is only one right, the right of the strong, no one is allowed to forget. And then international law, the UN, and here again the decision of a mattress or petty-British court and fenit la comedy. hi
          2. CBR600
            CBR600 6 July 2020 13: 32 New
            +1
            .... and plundered
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 4 July 2020 11: 29 New
          +6
          Why did Mavrodi understand this, while others did not?

          We found someone to put as an example, this fraudster and killer.
          Keeping one’s wealth in foreign countries or in the wrong hands, for example, of one’s own savings in banks, has always amazed me with my recklessness!

          This is not recklessness, this is the harsh reality of our unipolar world. The one who says that he is multipolar is disingenuous, the one who believes in this is lying to himself. The world remains unipolar so far, unfortunately. And if the state does not have its own science, industry, worthy of the army, banking system and monetary unit, then this is just an illusion of the state. These states will always be puppets in the hands of the hegemon. Why is gold stored in the USA and Great Britain, but there is no choice. Why do they give orders over one ocean, and after another they take everything under the hood? After the collapse of the great just people's country - the USSR, the world finally collapsed at the peak of unipolarity ..
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 4 July 2020 14: 08 New
            0
            Quote: Doccor18
            After the collapse of the great just people's country - the USSR, the world finally collapsed at the peak of unipolarity ..

            Special distributors and special clinics were especially fair for the Communist Party elite lol
            1. Jager
              Jager 4 July 2020 17: 04 New
              0
              And now there is no medicine left.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 4 July 2020 17: 41 New
                +3
                Quote: Jager
                And now there is no medicine left.

                I will say this - I am familiar with the medicine of Israel, Germany and Russia.
                There is a lag in orthopedics - in terms of rehabilitation and some operations. Oncology - a lag of 6 years. Cardiac surgery - almost parity, vascular surgery - full parity. Of the oncologists, Radiotherapy - in terms of equipment parity with the most developed countries, Israel is generally superior - the issue is performance, knowledge and good faith.
                USSR - for orthopedic traumatology - leadership (Elizarov and others). In oncology, it is 20 years behind the West. Cardiac surgery is somewhere the advanced development adopted later in the West (venous CABG). Diagnostics, Radiotherapy - 10-15 years behind the West. Vascular surgery - somewhere advanced, reproductive Medicine - complete zero, nephrology - sucks.
                As a result, even special clinics could not provide the party members with the level of medicine received by a cleaner in Germany. hi
        3. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 7 July 2020 18: 47 New
          0
          De Gaulle demanded something, but as far as I remember, nothing particularly worthwhile came out of this demand. Wall Street slammed it.
          And storing money in a bank is relatively profitable. Bank interest, if not completely, then largely compensates for inflation. Of course, in any case, the bank is the main beneficiary, but still it shares a little with investors. In a stocking, money depreciates faster, and storing in a stocking from a general catastrophe such as the New Year’s surprise of 1992 or the 1998 default does not protect the funds from depreciation several times in one fell swoop.
          So, as they said in Soviet times - keep the money in a savings bank. Well, now at the bank.
          As far as MMM is concerned, it was not a bank, and people who were at least a little smart did not buy MMM shares. In the 90s, there were other pyramids, which in the end did not bring anything to investors, but less obvious, for example, the Hermes concern, which allegedly carried out some kind of production activity, and MMM so clearly smelled of a scam and it was absolutely obvious that this is a purely financial bubble, which is still not clear how such a large number of people bought it. Some kind of massive psychosis.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 7 July 2020 20: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Nikolai Korovin
            In a stocking, money depreciates faster, and storing in a stocking from a general catastrophe such as the New Year’s surprise of 1992 or the 1998 default does not protect the funds from depreciation several times in one fell swoop.

            If you remember, in these years it was impossible to withdraw deposits from the bank for more than six months - until they turned to zero. Those who had money in stockings, they were able to decently get rich over these six months, having bought a lot of things and, above all, currencies. And the rest remained poor and carried their own for sale, although the savings from them - for many - in the savings bank of the whole family were so decent that they would have had enough to buy a car or a house.
      2. My address
        My address 4 July 2020 06: 50 New
        10
        hi
        “We are Anglo-Saxons! And when Anglo-Saxon needs something, he goes and takes it. ” And if you translate this statement into simple human language, it will sound something like this: "We English and "the Americans are thieves, robbers and pirates, which we are proud of!" - Mark Twain.
        The classic expression of a classic of literature.
      3. Avior
        Avior 4 July 2020 07: 22 New
        -3
        Continue
        The two most trusted repositories in the world.
        The author piled everything in the article mixed up.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 4 July 2020 07: 46 New
          +5
          and what is the reliability? ) is that at any moment they will not give it to you? it is not storage. this is a guarantee.
          1. Avior
            Avior 4 July 2020 07: 51 New
            -9
            The fact that it will not disappear.
            You, for the same reason, keep money in a bank or bank cell, and not under a pillow or in a ventilation room in a toilet, like the well-known chairman of the housing estate from Bulgakov’s immortal work.
            hi
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 4 July 2020 07: 56 New
              +6
              will not be lost? Tipo about what article you did not read?) sense of reliability in what? so that you could return everything back only if you liked the owner of the repository? reliability is not just a term. it was a tradition and a rule. that in spite of any cataclysms your property will be safe. taking the money from Iran from Venezuela, the word reliable completely lost its meaning. this is a guarantee. guarantee for loyalty. and in the event of a change in loyalty, the deposit is not refundable. what we actually see.
              1. Avior
                Avior 4 July 2020 08: 22 New
                +3
                The article is confusing and misleading
                Maduro wanted to get the gold, the second, as he was there, filed a protest, the court examined the case and decided not to give it to anyone until they finally figured out among themselves.
                After all, the British did not take this gold to themselves, it lies where it lay.
                This is a common practice in the world.
                You will give the gold to Maduro today, and tomorrow the second one in some kind of international court will prove that it is illegal, and you will have to give its value at your own expense.
                In the same way, they will not give you the inheritance from the bank until you deal with other heirs. But this does not mean that the bank has appropriated your inheritance.
                The article was simply sketched slightly so that the discussion was sharper
                hi
                1. lucul
                  lucul 4 July 2020 11: 18 New
                  10
                  Maduro wanted to get the gold, the second, as he was there, filed a protest, the court examined the case and decided not to give it to anyone until they finally figured out among themselves.

                  How convenient, right? )))
                  It is enough to ALWAYS find a "leftist" person who can make claims for gold, and .... voila - gold will remain with the usurers forever.
                  Your logic is predictable - in fact, "well, why does he need money, he doesn't know how to dispose of it, he'll drink some more, but I need it more"))))
            2. BAI
              BAI 4 July 2020 10: 17 New
              -4
              The fact that it will not disappear.

              Why is China from Fort Knox put gilded lead, and not gold?
              1. BAI
                BAI 4 July 2020 17: 22 New
                -1
                2 people (cons) believe that the United States has the right to steal the gold they have in storage?
              2. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 4 July 2020 20: 43 New
                +1
                Quote: BAI
                Why is China from Fort Knox put gilded lead, and not gold?

                Not lead, but tungsten. Lead is too light ... and tungsten is close in specific gravity to gold, and its gilded is difficult to distinguish by weight ...
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 July 2020 10: 45 New
          +9
          Quote: Avior
          Continue
          The two most trusted repositories in the world.

          There is nothing more reliable than the United States and British gold storages; if anything has got there, then it will never be returned. One De Gaulle somehow managed to pull out, but paid the presidency.
      4. atalef
        atalef 4 July 2020 08: 21 New
        -6
        Quote: Zaurbek
        This is an asset, on the security of which you can always get amounts of money in excess of its value

        that is, to borrow, and then not to wait for the debt (as Venezuela did) - that’s why it lost the gold held by Citibank and Deutsche Bank.
        Quote: Zaurbek
        The only question is: do they continue to deposit gold in the USA and Britain? Or stopped doing it?

        why are you lugging around with this gold like a chicken with an egg?
        Russia’s total money invested in the US public debt - in the amount of
        Russia in April of this year almost doubled the volume of investments in US government debt, reports TASS with reference to the US Treasury.

        So, Russia increased investments in US government bonds from $ 3,85 billion to $ 6,85 billion.

        In March, the share of short-term securities amounted to $ 473 million, now it is equal to $ 2,839 billion.

        those. almost 10 lard
        and 10 lard is
        that means, having made simple mathematical calculations, we can calculate how much a ton of gold costs - 54 US dollars (662 million 379 thousand 54 dollars).
        Source: https://www.stepandstep.ru/finansy/tonna-zolota/

        Ie a billion is say 2 tons of gold, and 10 billion - 200 tons.
        understand the proportions.
        Gold is bullshit.
        1. mark2
          mark2 4 July 2020 12: 59 New
          +2
          So that's how the Jews get richer !!!)))
          1 billion is 2 tons and 10 billion is 200 tons?

          Funny, funny. Well, at least 20 tons per billion evergreen paper would be thrown. Would not be dishonored.
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 July 2020 17: 56 New
            0
            Quote: mark2
            so that's how the Jews get rich !!!)))
            1 billion is 2 tons and 10 billion is 200 tons?

            ochepyatka
            1 billion is 20 tons
      5. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 July 2020 14: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        This is an asset, on the security of which you can always get amounts of money in excess of its value.

        Does it make more than the cost of collateral? At best, give 70 percent.
      6. Vicontas
        Vicontas 4 July 2020 20: 22 New
        0
        As folklore says - "Live with wolves, howl like a wolf!" Since the shallow shaven are insolently stealing Venezuelan gold, Maduro needs to instruct his intelligence to screw a couple of British bankers from the management of those banks where the gold of Caracas is stored! And just change! The stump that will be like Vysotsky's is clear - "And then there was a noise and barking ...", but if you remember that American mercenaries are already landing on the territory of Venezuela, then there is no need to worry about a response! As the physics textbook says: The angle of incidence MUST BE equal to the angle of reflection. So that is all!
      7. Vend
        Vend 6 July 2020 11: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        This is an asset, on the security of which you can always get amounts of money in excess of its value. And a pretty obvious product. Especially in a crisis.
        The only question is: do they continue to deposit gold in the USA and Britain? Or stopped doing it?

        They are trying to return, correct what predecessors have done. Men] I am not surprised by this approach of Britain and the USA.
    2. nemez
      nemez 4 July 2020 05: 49 New
      +2
      Rather, a weapon that scares the whole world.
    3. mat-vey
      mat-vey 4 July 2020 06: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Courier
      Gold has long been not used in international settlements, which means its value is exaggerated.
      "Gold" today is the US dollar.

      But what if storing in dollars abroad means that in a similar situation they will return everything that was acquired by excessive labor? Well, or in a different one too ..
    4. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 July 2020 07: 20 New
      14
      Quote: Courier
      Gold has not been used for a long time in international settlements, and therefore its value is exaggerated.

      The value of gold is that you can not print it on a printing press or on a printer. Gold is either there, or everyone needs to be convinced that the dollar is the equivalent of gold ...
      Quote: Courier
      "Gold" today is the US dollar.

      So, this American “gold” is cheaper than the paper on which it is printed ...
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 July 2020 14: 19 New
        0
        Quote: ROSS 42

        So, this American “gold” is cheaper than the paper on which it is printed ...

        Why? Today
        1 US dollar equals
        71,45 Russian ruble
        hi
    5. Basil50
      Basil50 4 July 2020 07: 53 New
      -1
      to the courier
      If this were so, the British Americans would not have scuttled gold.
      In England, nothing is done without the will of the queen. That means the Queen herself decided to rob Venezuela, and her subjects (sobbing and crying with shame) fulfilled the will of their mistress.
      But what, observance of traditions is obvious.
      What pirates robbed and looted to their queen dragged, that the gentlemen in tailcoats * honestly steal * - a tradition however.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 4 July 2020 13: 29 New
        +2
        It was amusing that the Queen’s subjects graze on this site. Only they can be against public discussion of the theft of other people's property, resenting (minus) they reject the obvious that the kingdom of England committed theft (it is ruled by Queen Elizabeth) from the democratic republic of Venezuela.
        In England, professional crime has been growing for centuries, from the very bottom (pickpockets) to the queen herself, at whose direction the gold of an entire country was stolen. Here are the ritual exchanges and try to somehow maintain the appearance of respectability
    6. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 08: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Courier
      Gold "today is the US dollar.

      Which at least in the last 50 years has fallen in price, horseradish knows how many times, in relation to the metal of the devil.
    7. Insurgent
      Insurgent 4 July 2020 09: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Courier
      "Gold" today is the US dollar.

      Your silence is GOLD yes
    8. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 July 2020 10: 41 New
      -2
      Quote: Courier
      "Gold" today is the US dollar.

      In Ukraine, yes so far.
    9. certero
      certero 4 July 2020 14: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Courier
      hence its value is exaggerated.
      "Gold" today is the US dollar.

      I have not read such nonsense for a very long time. Have you heard about fiat money?
    10. And Makarov
      And Makarov 6 July 2020 16: 04 New
      +8
      Quote: Courier
      Gold has long been not used in international settlements, which means its value is exaggerated.
      "Gold" today is the American dollar

      Well, give it to us in exchange for greens
  2. codetalker
    codetalker 4 July 2020 05: 35 New
    +8
    The invisible hand of the market was also unclean ...
    And this precedent with the recognition by the president of the president of some left-wing person should be remembered and postponed until better times, so to speak.
    1. Courier
      Courier 4 July 2020 05: 52 New
      -27
      Left people? Guaido was the speaker of parliament.
      The left person is Maduro, who was supposed to leave following the results of the last referendum.
      1. Simon
        Simon 4 July 2020 06: 12 New
        15
        Maduro was elected by the people, and Guaido was an American protege. fool
  3. Olegater
    Olegater 4 July 2020 05: 44 New
    +8
    Good morning, dear forum users!
    As the robbers say, that is, the Western crap, "it was yours, it is OURS." Do you want to return? Get a civil slaughter and no longer zick about your former gold.
    Nothing personal is simple (theft and robbery) business.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 July 2020 06: 29 New
      +6
      Quote: Olegater
      As the robbers say, that is, the Western crap, "it was yours, it is OURS."

      Well yes. Although Britain does not rule on the seas now, it also robs on land in the best traditions of pirates.
      1. depressant
        depressant 4 July 2020 08: 46 New
        +4
        And, most importantly, what a convenient way to rob and influence. Under the guise of safe storage of gold and the convenience of swap transactions, the US and UK have collected gold from around the world. Indeed, it is convenient. For example, country A borrows from country B, country B willingly makes a deal, knowing that borrower A will not be able to say on occasion: "You know, bro, he took it, spent it, but there is nothing to give it back!" For there is something. The debt was taken against gold held by a third party, and that person, interested in preserving his own reputation, has already transferred part of the gold of Country A to the asset of country B. And no one dares to object, let alone dispute - these are the rules of a swap transaction. Country A, if you want the gold back, repay the debt, which means buy the gold back! So, the gold storage is not a bank from which you can take a loan and not give it back. It is, as it were, a neutral warehouse that has profit from activities. It is important who is the owner of the warehouse. Formidable beyond measure, gray-haired Uncle Sam (the most reliable guard!) And the immensely trustworthy Queen of England, both honest and incorruptible. And then it turns out that Uncle Sam is stealing someone else's gold from the warehouse and, they say, he got caught completely, the warehouse is filled with tungsten gilded imitation. And the queen put a storekeeper who interferes in the credit relations of the gold investors, that is, insolently puts pressure on world politics and the economy. Investors are confused and discouraged. Sooner or later, Anglo-Saxon imperialism had to throw off the mask. Stalin always suspected the presence of a mask. Since then, there has been a tradition of mistrust. Therefore, the bulk of our gold is stored in Moscow at Pravda street, no. 6. And in other cities of the country. And where in fact, no one knows. These are our safety rules.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 July 2020 06: 08 New
    +6
    So that the Anglo-Saxon does not take advantage of the situation and under the pretext of a "struggle for democracy", sanctions, or some other rubbish did not try to pocket someone else's, this probably never happened. They act impudently, prudently and do not even bother observing the concluded agreements. Financial banditry is a bit sprinkled with references to something. "Citizens, keep your money in the savings bank ..." (film "Ivan Vasilyevich ...").
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 4 July 2020 07: 18 New
      +1
      Anglo-Saxon attack on both sides
      --------
      An American court has authorized the arrest of Iranian tankers going to Venezuela ...
      A court in the Metropolitan District of Columbia (USA) has authorized the arrest of Iranian oil tankers who are heading to Venezuela. The corresponding civil confiscation lawsuit was previously filed by Washington attorney Zia Faruki.
      1. Avior
        Avior 4 July 2020 07: 45 New
        +2
        . A lawsuit on civil confiscation was previously filed by Washington attorney Zia Faruki.

        Iranian?
        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 4 July 2020 07: 49 New
          -2
          No (further obscene words) he is not an Iranian, he is a radish.
          1. Avior
            Avior 4 July 2020 07: 58 New
            +1
            They write that formally the tankers and oil are not Iranian, but are framed by dummies
            1. Tank jacket
              Tank jacket 4 July 2020 08: 00 New
              -2
              Yes, at least for someone, if only they would not deprive the country of the last opportunity to earn money for people. Gold was taken, accounts were arrested, now the blockade ...
              1. Avior
                Avior 4 July 2020 08: 13 New
                +2
                The arrest of tankers is against Iran, not Venezuela.
                This Zia Farouk says that money from the sale of oil to Venezuela (by the way, it seems to be extracted there) will go to finance the IRGC.
                1. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 4 July 2020 08: 15 New
                  0
                  Who cares why the blockade? This is not easier for the people of Venezuela ... I do not agree with you that this is only against Iran. The arrest of tankers is against Venezuela and Iran equally.
  5. Simon
    Simon 4 July 2020 06: 09 New
    +5
    The British have always robbed everyone, that their colonies, that the countries with which they fought, and now they are plundering more cunningly, what they put in an English bank, they "drowned" there. Now you can hardly take them from there. request
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 July 2020 08: 28 New
      -1
      Quote: Simon
      The British have always robbed everyone, that their colonies, that the countries with which they fought, and now they are plundering more cunningly, what they put in an English bank, they "drowned" there. Now you can hardly take them from there. request

      laughing
      After the prime minister Of Spain, Caballero and Minister of Finance Negrin formally turned to the USSR with a request to deposit part of the gold reserves of countriess, the resident of the NKVD in Spain, Alexander Orlov, was instructed to organize his dispatch. Boxes for several nights loaded onto four Soviet ships. With an interval of XNUMX hours they went to sea. In total, 510 tons of gold were transported from Spain to the Soviet Union, which corresponded to 73 percent of the country's gold reserves.
      Spanish gold (ingots, bars, rare coins) was placed in the basement of one of the houses on Nastasyinsky Lane in Moscow, supposedly for temporary storage. But at a banquet in the Kremlin, Stalin unexpectedly said: "The Spaniards will not see this gold as their ears
      "..

      Where is the Spanish gold?
      wink
      Gentlemen, admirers of the father of all nations and the most just USSR.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 4 July 2020 16: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Where is the Spanish gold?

        The network has enough materials where the republican government spent gold.
        I dare to ask, were you at this banquet and are these quotes from your memoirs? Modestly did not indicate the source. In addition, nothing about the roles of Bosharov and Petrov. belay
        1. atalef
          atalef 4 July 2020 16: 49 New
          -2
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          The network has enough materials where the republican government spent gold.

          Returned gold or not?
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          I dare to ask, were you at this banquet and are these quotes from your memoirs?

          As I understand it, you write exclusively about what you personally witnessed?
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          Modestly did not indicate the source. In addition, nothing about the roles of Bosharov and Petrov

          Was there a mammoth? recourse
  6. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 4 July 2020 06: 43 New
    +2
    To my old bank ...
    Tungsten tungsten,
    Fly my little dove.
    Ingot and lie
    Tungsten tungsten
    On the shelves dove-a-ah
    Tungsten-tungsten, lan ta ti ta
    There is an old bank, the treasury is empty
    Guests from Africa are thick
    Fly to my bank dove
    bully
  7. samarin1969
    samarin1969 4 July 2020 06: 46 New
    +9
    In fact, examples of blocking assets of Iran, Venezuela, sanctions against Gazprom have long dispelled the illusion of the "reputation" of Western "fireproof safes." At the same time, there is so much in Russia that can be equated with gold as a "national treasure": cultural values, forests, honest fish, Baikal, diamonds, non-ferrous metals, etc. Enough for hundreds of NWFs. But domestic globalists have built an absurd system: their wealth is under the control of corporations, and gold and foreign exchange reserves are without alternative placed on the correspondent accounts of Western financial "servers".
    Under these conditions, the Russian Federation has problems with ensuring its sovereignty - no better than Madura. And this cannot be corrected by any amendments to the Constitution.
  8. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 4 July 2020 07: 21 New
    +3
    This is of course tin when the USA and Great Britain decide for themselves who is the president and who is not, in another country. Democrats are figs.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 4 July 2020 07: 33 New
    +4
    - This is my tooth.
    “I thought you were a good person, and you were a bad person, greedy.” This is not your tooth. It’s not even my tooth, it’s their tooth. (C)
  10. Tatiana Egorova
    Tatiana Egorova 4 July 2020 07: 37 New
    +1
    Kurt Volcker said: Another reason [for increased sanctions] is an intelligence leak according to which Russia MAYBE paid the Taliban to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan. That is, it is the same as in Iraq in 2003 a test tube, as a pretext for aggression against the country. A large part of Russia's material resources are stored in debt securities of the US Federal Reserve Service. Our leaders will wait, the "world gendarme" will pocket our funds.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 4 July 2020 08: 09 New
      -1
      very small part. they have already been sold for a long time and are holding an operational reserve of several billion there. it must be in place to secure any transactions and projects. but the last few years, the amount has fluctuated 3-6. it is extremely small. for example, you can recall about 6 years ago there were more than 100.
      1. atalef
        atalef 4 July 2020 08: 24 New
        -3
        Quote: carstorm 11
        but the last few years, the amount has fluctuated 3-6. it is extremely small

        Of course, this is from 60 to 120 tons of gold. laughing
  11. purple
    purple 4 July 2020 07: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: Courier
    Gold has long been not used in international settlements, which means its value is exaggerated.
    "Gold" today is the US dollar.

    Funny ...
  12. Alex2
    Alex2 4 July 2020 08: 07 New
    -7
    And Russia has already returned the gold reserves of Spain, exported from there in 1939, to their rightful owners?
    1. convoy
      convoy 4 July 2020 08: 59 New
      -2
      Quote: Alex2
      And Russia has already returned the gold reserves of Spain, exported from there in 1939, to their rightful owners?

      We took out Spanish children from destruction .. hi I didn’t hear about gold
  13. convoy
    convoy 4 July 2020 08: 50 New
    -2
    And interestingly, the gold of Germany returned to the USA ..?
    I also remember the hype, like why do you have it more reliable, etc.
    Guaido cockerel probably jumping for joy .. That's how countries are robbed!
    A good call to Russia and especially to "our Central Bank" ..
    No matter how it works .. "Where is Zin's money?" ...
  14. Livonetc
    Livonetc 4 July 2020 08: 55 New
    +1
    Thieving Aborigines.
    No international authority remained with the complete empire.
  15. bandabas
    bandabas 4 July 2020 08: 57 New
    +1
    I remember de Gaulle in 1965 managed to take the gold reserves of France from the United States. And in 1971, the States abolished the provision of gold to the dollar. And perfectly stamp their candy wrappers. With the gold that is stored in the United States .- generally muddy story. Either it is, or it is not. hi
  16. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 4 July 2020 09: 13 New
    0
    Nicholas Maduro in this story did not have time to demand the removal of the national gold heritage of Venezuela from Great Britain in time. Actually, this is the president’s key mistake. Why didn’t he? Probably because the British kept no more than 1,8 billion dollars in gold, but the main supply was still at home.
    The countries of the Western Alliance do not consider Madura a legitimate ruler. That is why the diplomatic boycott of the Venezuelan missions, freezing of accounts, curtailing and conservation of several programs take place automatically. So America is fighting the rebellious Venezuela. They are not going to bring to the hot stage in Washington. It is believed that the CIA can do more than the Pentagon.
    P.S. Against this background, China's position looks interesting. If the Russian Federation supports the power of Madura, and the United States seeks to overthrow it, then the PRC has a "SPECIAL WAY." In the best traditions of Lao Tzu, they chose the middle path. They pumped many billions into this country, they work closely with the ruling regime of Vasya-Vasya, BUT they carry out a constant dialogue with the Venezuelan opposition, whole government working groups work with Guaydon / Moder, not Banté, this is so wink/
  17. Guards turn
    Guards turn 4 July 2020 09: 23 New
    +1
    The United States officially announced its dissatisfaction with Russia on diplomatic (State Department) and military (Pentagon) lines. The reason is the beginning of the construction of the Russian Federation naval base (we are talking about nuclear submarines) on the territory of Venezuela. According to media reports, the decision to begin construction of the Russian military base in Venezuela (specifically, the point is the deployment point for the submarine nuclear submarine carriers) was made last fall.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 6 July 2020 11: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Guards turn
      The United States officially announced its dissatisfaction with Russia on diplomatic (State Department) and military (Pentagon) lines. The reason is the beginning of the construction of the Russian Federation naval base (we are talking about nuclear submarines) on the territory of Venezuela. According to media reports, the decision to begin construction of the Russian military base in Venezuela (specifically, the point is the deployment point for the submarine nuclear submarine carriers) was made last fall.

      ===
      how long Maduro will last with such an economy, otherwise you will have to drop everything after its change
  18. Andrey NM
    Andrey NM 4 July 2020 10: 12 New
    +3
    The motivation in the UK is very simple: Maduro is not the president of Venezuela, because it was decided in the USA. And Judge Nigel Tiar stated that the UK government, following the United States, “unequivocally recognized” Juan Guaido as President of Venezuela.

    So it is now possible to detain any leader of the country, ambassadors, diplomats, etc., seize property, seize accounts ... Just say that we believe that this is not the US ambassador to Russia, we recognize the ambassador as another, but the court of the village of Ivanovka decided that the property is all rustic, and as it turned out in the United States (Britain, Australia, etc.) we do not know and do not want to know, it is ours and the issue is not subject to discussion.
  19. BAI
    BAI 4 July 2020 10: 14 New
    +1
    It is possible that in response to such provocative actions, a mass of countries will rush to withdraw their assets from American hands,

    Ruled out. Iran froze - no one moved. China had problems - silence. Why will someone worry about Russia?
  20. certero
    certero 4 July 2020 14: 54 New
    -1
    Russia has greatly reduced investment in American securities. Now the Central Bank has only the necessary minimum reserve for turnover.
  21. Charik
    Charik 4 July 2020 16: 50 New
    +1
    and Libya Kadaffi also closed, finally messed up
  22. Foghat 74
    Foghat 74 4 July 2020 18: 55 New
    0
    Stupid move, send a coin to the countries of predators.
  23. Victorio
    Victorio 5 July 2020 14: 10 New
    0
    I remember that a decent part of the gold coin of the Russian empire is also somewhere somewhere in foreign banks
  24. venaly
    venaly 5 July 2020 21: 56 New
    +1
    You cannot trust these vehicles of democracy.
  25. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 5 July 2020 23: 11 New
    +1
    It does not get used to rob other nations. Inveterate habit.
  26. Vlad Malkin
    Vlad Malkin 6 July 2020 12: 13 New
    0
    There it is, Anglo-American democracy!
  27. Smirnoff
    Smirnoff 10 July 2020 17: 12 New
    +5
    Shaving in his repertoire negative