The Russian Federation requires Ukraine to show the text of amendments to the constitution to consolidate the special status of Donbass

At the meeting of the “Norman Four”, Russia demanded that Ukraine provide a text of changes to the country's constitution with the registered special status of Donbass changed.

Representatives of the Norman Four countries came together to participate in the talks that began on July 3 in Berlin. They should discuss further settlement of the conflict in the Donbass. Another important issue is the discussion of the upcoming meeting of the leaders of the four states, which should also be held in Berlin.

The delegation of Ukraine is headed by the Minister for Reintegration of the so-called temporarily occupied territories, Aleksey Reznikov, and the delegation includes the head of the office of Vladimir Zelensky, Andrei Yermak. As for Russia, it will be represented at the meeting by Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration of Russia Dmitry Kozak.

Changes must be submitted by Ukraine by July 6, 2020. With the speedy implementation of the "Steinmeier formula" in Moscow, the prospects for resolving the conflict in the Donbass are associated. The essence of the formula, recall, is to provide the eastern territories with temporary special status on the day of local elections. If the elections are recognized as legitimate by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine will have to consolidate the special status of the territories of Donbass on an ongoing basis.

Now Russia is demanding from Ukraine to show how the legal status of the territories of Donbass will be determined in the Ukrainian constitution. It is clear that for Kiev the question of the status of Donetsk and Lugansk lands is a very painful topic. But without resolving the issue of legal status, one can not even dream that the current situation will change for Ukraine in a more favorable direction.

Comments

[Junior Warrant Officer]

Why do we need changes in the constitution of others?
We have the primacy of our law over internationally secured! We want LDNR to have a special status - that means, according to our constitution, that’s how it will be, contrary to all so to speak!
Or in vain did we accept these amendments? Since July 4, we do not care about other people's norms and laws, we will be guided only by our interests, according to our modified constitution ...

[Ghost of reagan]

Ready to really fight? I do not think that 40 million Ukrainians will surrender without a fight. Sooner or later, the situation with LDNR will turn into a war, the only question is whether you want to start a full-scale warrior with Ukraine in 3-4 or 5-6 years? Seriously, do you really think that the RF Armed Forces will reach Kiev a week? Can you imagine what resistance you will encounter, not to mention guerrillaism? And the West will supply Ukraine very, very well. I would even say better than the USSR and the PRC at one time supplied Vietnam. Talk about the use of nuclear weapons is out of the question.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Reagan's ghost

And the west will supply Ukraine very, very well

So after all, the preclown can ask for protection from Nata.
Nata will send his troops quite legitimately, and then what?
Hostages can provocatively substitute a couple of their warriors, and please, the striped can officially fight in the outskirts
"Excellent" perspective

[lopvlad]

Quote: Lipchanin

in the outskirts can officially fight \

they had already fought in Tskhinval in 2008 and they didn’t like it, judging by the lying corpses of black "Georgian military" on the streets of the capital of South Ossetia.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Reagan's Ghost

Sooner or later, the situation with LDNR will develop into a war

When they shoot and kill, this is WAR.
So the war is already underway.
Now - "sluggishly current."
And it is very important not to let her grow into an active one. Important for all participants and immediate neighbors.

[carstorm 11]

you think in terms of 70 years ago. it makes no sense to walk to Kiev. in fact, there are now hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens. damage will be inflicted so that they themselves stand up and away. for this, a full-blown conflict is not needed now. everything that goes by sea will sink to the bottom. everything that flies will fall to the ground. if Kiev agrees to suffer such losses, then personally I strongly doubt it.

[Ghost of reagan]

When the fate of a country and its integrity lie at stake, why not? There will also be enough pressure from the West in the form of much tougher sanctions and the strengthening of NATO in eastern Europe. Does Russia have a margin of safety in order to fight Ukraine for years and at the same time be in an economic blockade? If the Russian Federation enter the war, it will automatically become a threatening aggressor for all inhabitants of the West. And the opinions of couch experts here are generally better not to discuss whom in the pond a dime a dozen, but better what really will be in the long or medium term.

[carstorm 11]

there are no prospects there. Europe needs this war like a fifth wheel cart. They are afraid of it more than anything. causing unacceptable damage is the most effective measure for the most arrogant. in 2008, it was very intelligibly shown that Russia would respond to such actions.

[Shteffan]

But is Russia untouchable? It’s fighting without loss? Doesn’t it sink, it doesn’t fall? Is it time to change the litter on the sofa, otherwise it’s probably locked up?

[carstorm 11]

falls. and even drowns) here only in 404 there is nothing to do than this and the remains of the old will be cut off as quickly as possible. what is there to drown? a pair of pelvis with 30 mm guns ?? Air defense our ancient modifications? you don’t need to have a big brain to understand this. the outcome of the confrontation will be fully understood. what does not need to be done on land. nobody will intrude anywhere. don't worry about my gasket. won't sweat.

[Shteffan]

What is there that you understand? That you get stuck in cross-border battles with losses? So it is clear to us. Reload the back of your sofa.

[carstorm 11]

what border fights? with what forces? by what means? ) Who will invade there at all?) For this, there is its own army in the Donbass. they just clear the way. analysis even superficial does not suggest any other outcome. you do not have aviation. you do not have a fleet. there is nothing that can work in depth. what kind of battles can we talk about here at all? use a combat hopak?)

[Shteffan]

A couple of thousand t-64,72,80 can work in depth under the cover of air defense. Donbass army is pshik. They will be demolished and carried to Rostov. VSU arr. 2013 and arr. 2020 are TWO BIG DIFFERENCES. And then this abyss will increase. because the grandmothers vkachuyut there. Walking like in Georgia will not be. However, you do not care about the sofa. You have every day: ".... The Red Army is stronger than all .... and then the 41st year happens.

[carstorm 11]

when I read this nonsense all the time I want to ask, but what didn’t they demolish before?) you leave these tales to your children and yours. working deep in tanks is certainly cool. True, 50 years is no longer relevant. Tie this baby talk. Let them collect more horses and break through the cavalry raid. They'll go damn to Rostov)

[Shteffan]

Previously, they could not demolish. COULD NOT. Is it clearer? Or is it still not clear? I explain again especially for the sofa troops: the APU 2013 and the APU 2020 are two different APU. DIFFERENT. In your vocabulary there is the word "different" ?? ? We go further. Nonsense is when you start knocking your fingers on the keyboard. Where are the arguments on the matter? About tanks. In Syria, for some reason, I keep advancing with tanks. Where is the offensive, there are immediately tanks. Why would it? Forgot to listen to you. Well, yes you know better from the couch.

[carstorm 11]

finish the circus already. an army without aviation is a poop. this can be done.

[Shteffan]

In the 30s, strategists already had the opinion that the war could be won by one air offensive. The WWII refuted it. If no one is fighting with tanks, why does Russia recreate the first tank FULL Army !! ?? (the only one in the world) Urgently call MO! What rank, Major General Divanov? They will listen to you.

[carstorm 11]

lieutenant colonel. and once again, stop carrying nonsense.

[Shteffan]

The drain is counted.

[carstorm 11]

Yes, no one merged. tired of the child explaining basic things. think whatever you want. you are the strongest. defeat everyone as usual although everyone has overslept so far) the main thing is to believe)

[Serge_]

Are you (CENSOR)? You write such nonsense that only you wonder. The most stubborn will be at war with the Russian army, and then, at the sight of RUSSIAN tanks, many will rush to Poland. This applies to Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil Natsik. In Ukraine, there are more than adequate people than you think.

[wowka]

Quote: Serge_

The most stubborn will be at war with the Russian army ... at the sight of RUSSIAN tanks, many will rush to Poland .... There are more adequate people in Ukraine than you think.

I quote you, but I would also like to quote some commentators with the same ideas about a quick and superbly bloodless war without the 200s for Russia.
Everything is like in a children's war game: bang-bang .. and you can start all over again until mom calls to the table ..
It is strange to listen to such an opinion, and even it is presented as adequate. Why do you think that in another country people are considered adequate if they do not defend their homeland ?! That's simple, WHAT?
Or do you think that any citizen of the Russian Federation who will not fight during the defense of his country when someone else attacks her is considered adequate? Is that what you think? Or is it just for you those Ukrainians / Georgians / Americans / Japanese / Chinese or who else are adequate if they simply don’t defend themselves?
This is a strange judgment on my subjective, but in general such an opinion looks strange on any side.
Those. In your opinion, if a Russian evades defending his country in case of an attack on it, then he will be adequate (you mean when you write the same thing about Ukrainians, right?) Or do you think that only a citizen of the Russian Federation can defend your country and at the same time be adequate, and you consider the rest in this case inadequate. A very interesting point of view, suggesting a certain dominance of one nation over others (one is allowed, but for others it is considered as something extremely abnormal). Some kind of eugenics smacks of a moral basis with elements of the ideas of National Socialism.
Well, everything is somehow so easy for you: everyone will run away from the Russian army, adequate will raise the Russian flag over their conquered country, the dead will be only on one side, all the enemy’s equipment is just bow and arrow, all Russian soldiers will be met with bread and salt and etc.
And do you consider yourself then adequate? Do you really think so? Or is it the patriot of his country that says to you? - Well then, one must really develop patriotism to his fanaticism, and not thoughtlessly flatter flattering lines that are pleasant for many couch fighters and earn bonuses on inadequate and unfounded false patriotism.
Then people tried to convey a certain idea (by the way adequate) and it is clear that they flew to the cons. This is really weird. Do you really think that the guts on the tank tracks are beautiful? Of course, they do not argue about tastes. But when it’s your guts or your loved ones - I don’t think you will like it.
And about the quick conquest of a foreign country: quickly the fairy tale affects, but not quickly the thing is done (from Russian folk)))

[Shteffan]

And what about Yugoslavia ?? they bombed, bombed, ironed, and the whole army remained and ready. how did it? ironed the whole block, bombed half the country, and the whole army sat in the forests and mountains and waited for the trample. doesn’t it just mean aviation? can not all aviation?

[carstorm 11]

as I understand it, the story is also not yours. to remind what happened to Yugoslavia after this mon sher?

[Shteffan]

To remind you that THIS HAPPENED WITH YUGOSLAVIA NOT BECAUSE THE ARMY DESTROYED BECAUSE THE COMMANDER GIVED THE REAR STRUCTURE INSTEAD OF RELEASING IT IN THE PROGRESS.

[Shteffan]

History may be yours, but it does not teach you anything .. like everyone else.

[Shteffan]

Remind you that this did not happen to Yugoslavia because the army was destroyed, but to the one that the commander backed up, instead of using it.

[poquello]

Quote: Steffan

And what about Yugoslavia ?? bombed bombed, ironed ironed, and the whole army remained and ready for battle. how so? the whole block was ironed, bombed half the country, and whole army in the forests and the whole mountains sat and waited for trampling. So just a little aviation? Not everything can aviation?

here, here it is ukropskaya’s hope)))))))))), so it’s chopped green stuff for export)))))))))))

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Steffan

APU 2013 and APU 2020 are two different APUs.

Trouble-trouble ... It also stuck with Stalin.

[Civil]

Looking forward to a decision or a final solution to this issue?

[Shteffan]

It is when you look in the mirror.

[Achilles]

Quote: Steffan

: APU 2013 and APU 2020 are two different APU.RAZNYE.in your vocabulary there is the word "different" ???

You rave, all your APU is simply destroyed by caliber rockets, X101, Iskander, understand? First of all, airfields, air defense are destroyed, then the accumulation of troops, headquarters and warehouses. And at the same time, it is not necessary to send troops to Ukraine, and the remnants will finish LDN

[snucerist]

Hmm ...
Well, let's say APU will be destroyed. All!
Totally!
One hundred percent!
And the valiant LDNR troops will take Kiev, the Dnieper, Zaporozhye, Odessa, Kharkov, Poltava and even Lviv.
So, what is next?
What's next???????
And then there will be this.
Invaders (and incoming troops will be associated only with this term) will be cut their heads at night. Even in the same Kharkov or Odessa. No breaks for weekends and holidays. And no military force can stop this. Is it really incomprehensible? What the majority of Ukrainians will not accept this?
Is it really not clear that in the 21st century a direct military conflict does not solve anything? What should be done by other methods?
I'm not talking about the reaction of the West. And she will be extremely tough. Few LDNR will not seem. Perhaps Russia will be hurt.

[carstorm 11]

Well, about the cut I agree. in this country of banderlogs there is no difference from the Igilov spawn. in a country where the hero is Bandera only his descendants and admirers can do this or say so. as for taking and winning, then again, nobody needs it. it is enough to inflict such losses that everyone will howl themselves there. destroy airfields bridges and stuff. no one will take the city. what for?

[snucerist]

What are the losses? How to apply?
Have LDNR already found bombing and attack aircraft in mines?
Operational / operational-tactical missile systems?
How to destroy airfields and bridges inland?
Long-range artillery and MLRS? They won’t get it.
Do you propose openly connecting Russia to the conflict?
So it seems to get nasty.
The task has no solution. This is a dead end.
You can take Kiev, who argues?
But what next?

[carstorm 11]

you always forget that by issuing passports to residents they become citizens of the Russian Federation.

[user1212]

Quote: snucerist

You can take Kiev, who argues?

But why? Every day of the Maydauns' reign is a penny for the GDP. Now "nezalezhnaya" is an example of the degradation of an ally of the USA and the EU, and it is in this capacity that Russian foreign policy needs it. Along with Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq ... There is no need to fight with Ukraine, it is easier to buy it, but even this is not needed by anyone. The best defender of Ukraine from an external enemy is its debts and the state of the economy. Nobody is going to invest that kind of money in an absolutely hopeless country and feed its unemployed population. Already the EU spat on this venture. They, in the EU, do not understand why the Ukrainian oligarchs pay "customs duties" to the very republics that the official authorities elected with the money of these very oligarchs do not recognize. Why does Ukraine buy gas from the "aggressor" and wants to receive from it for transit if they are at war? Why does Ukraine cry that there are no pennies if it buys Russian gas from resellers, paying extra for virtual reverse, because for the Russian Federation this scheme is also an excellent way not to have problems with payments, and also no one can accuse gas blackmail, try to turn off the gas for non-payment, because it is not Russia that sells gas to Ukraine ... Thus, the modern Maidan authorities, announcing the "residual forgiveness", became the most loyal ally of the Russian Federation and perfectly serves as an example of the consequences of excessive trust in the West

[Serge_]

Will you personally slaughter people who come to liberate the Ukrainian people from pro-fascist Natsik? I doubt, most likely, people like you will drape from Ukraine along with the remnants of the national corps and the basics. Russians harness for a long time, but drive fast. Do not forget about it. And always as liberators, not invaders. Always remember this.

[dr.mel51]

And then the population of Kharkov and Odessa will slaughter the Natsik over night and the next day with flowers will be met by Russian troops with flowers as liberators from Zee and Petya and the like, who at the first skirmish will find themselves abroad and will stink from there.

[Shteffan]

You are just "" Dostoevsky.

[Winnie76]

Quote: Steffan

: APU 2013 and APU 2020 are two different APU.RAZNYE.in your vocabulary there is the word "different" ???

To have a modern army you need to have a modern military-industrial complex and a lot of money. What is somehow not observed in Ukraine. Quite the contrary - infrastructure is being destroyed, plants are closing down, and nuclear power plants are shutting down. Agrarian superpower in one word)))))))))

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Steffan

can work a couple of thousand t-64,72,80 under the guise of air defense.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

More Strongholds 10 pieces are

[Shadow041]

The T-64 is no longer a tank, but a target, and quite simple, for any ATGM of the Russian Federation. You recall what happens with a tank regiment, after one attack helicopter raid ?! Burned scrap remains from the shelf! Ukraine has almost no air defense, all missiles with expired shelf life, the air defense systems themselves for many years without normal repair, since only manufacturers can provide it, and they all in the Russian Federation have long stopped doing this. Handicraft repairs carried out by Ukraine on its own are handicraft and how combat-ready such complexes are, the question is open. The basis is one that is not 100%, but taking into account the systems that remained after Ukraine in the Crimea, it can be said for certain that a significant part of Ukraine’s air defense is scrap metal that can no longer be repaired. Ukrainian aviation is inferior to the Russian Aerospace Forces in everything, both in quantity and quality and in technical condition. I'm not talking about the fact that the Russian Federation has enough cruise missiles that shoot through Ukraine and are capable of quickly destroying military depots and equipment storage facilities and fuel depots and barracks and bridges and stations and government dachas near Kiev and the Verkhovna Rada building and other control points ... So do not scare us with a war with Ukraine, it is Ukraine that needs to be afraid of a war with the Russian Federation, and not Russia, that is afraid of a herd of Bandera shortcomings.

[Shteffan]

If you think that the APU it became Bandera nedobitikov ...... you will be very surprised. According to your comments it is clear that all the information on the Armed Forces and the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, you draw from 60 minutes.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Steffan

all the information on the Armed Forces and the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, you draw from 60 minutes.

Why look for information about the combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces, if, in fact, you have territories controlled not by your government, but by the DPR and LPR, and the Kiev government, with all its troops, can do nothing about it.
But in dreams, and return Crimea, and another part of the territory of the Kuban to join.

[Revolver]

Quote: Bad_gr

But in dreams, and return Crimea, and another part of the territory of the Kuban to join.

Want is not harmful

[Shteffan]

Well, the drain has been counted. Why should I search. Everything flows, but you don’t taste it !!! wow! What was possible in 2013 in 2020 is impossible. Look further at your own 60 minutes. And you have nothing to do with such delitant knowledge and questions Like why be interested in the increased combat capability of the APU.

[tralflot1832]

Pray, if anything, for a gay. Europe to save you. Ukraine is Europe. Does Europe need to be 45 years old because of Ukraine?

[user1212]

Quote: Steffan

why be interested in the increased combat capability of the APU.

Indeed, why be interested in zero progress on this issue? It is already obvious. In fairness, I note that for 7 years it can be considered that the Ukrainian army did surrender the monthly KMB rate

[Mikhail Tynda]

And you are not delitant? What area is the specialist in? Which school did you graduate from? Service period?

[Shteffan]

No, I don’t watch 60 minutes and I’m not a layman or amateur, I'm interested in the topic.

[Mikhail Tynda]

And for what minus that? The question is quite correct.

[your1970]

That's Turchinov whined that the production of shells and ammunition in today's Ukraine is not there .... Apparently the APU spends so quickly ......

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Bad_gr

Quote: Steffan

all the information on the Armed Forces and the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, you draw from 60 minutes.

Why look for information about the combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces, if, in fact, you have territories controlled not by your government, but by the DPR and LPR, and the Kiev government, with all its troops, can do nothing about it.
But in dreams, and return Crimea, and another part of the territory of the Kuban to join.

Moreover, this program is a minimum! Maximum - Ento to Red Square in Moscow !!!

[Shadow041]

Why, then, I saw your warriors in Tskhinvali dead. I don’t think that in Kharkov, when they meet with the Russian army, they will be more lucky than there ... The Russian army is also far from the same as in 2008, but even then it made Saakashvili gobble up his tie and think about your puffy Yushchenko.

[Shteffan]

I also saw your dead warriors both in the Donbass and in Chechnya and Georgia and the whole world saw it. And what? Are you all immortal there? Why do you write this?

[Shadow041]

Drunks and savages on the Maidan are jumping, with the symbols of Nazi Germany. You climbed into Chechnya back in the 90s, and there is not Ukraine, now catch the answer, the soldier and don’t sit here, go to the military commissariat. How much more are you going to hang out here when your heroic bandits from the Armed Forces of Ukraine-SBU attack the Crimea, or Lipetsk, as promised ?! Dare, heroes, let's see where you fly in a week ... and how many of you will survive. !

[kventinasd]

Quote: Steffan

APU arr. 2013 and arr. 2020 are TWO BIG DIFFERENCES. And further this abyss will increase.

Here is a miracle in feathers. Your APU, just like the sagaidachny Zaporizhzhya submarine, is rotting more and more. What kind of partisanism are we talking about? After half an hour from the beginning of hostilities, there will be no trace of your yellow-thug army, and the rest of the tenants are independent, they will rush together for regular earnings throughout the retinue. and even Kovid will not stop these lambs.

[Shteffan]

HOW YOU ALL FUNNESS TURNED OUT ..... The Red Army is stronger than all! To tell you how little and proud Finland visited the GREAT RKKA of the GREAT USSR ?? YES with finches ?? YES It didn’t help the Finns very much, but the BREEDERS WERE RINGED.

[carstorm 11]

in such wars as with Finland, power was forged. through losses and mistakes. about breams, remind us the result of that war? The USSR fulfilled all its goals, plus it was also able to do restructuring of the army. nothing burns here. just stupid people from suicide must at least somehow drive away. no one wants to kill neighbors and relatives. but the moral joys of zigzag with fascist flags and other rabble will have to be destroyed sooner or later. this is the law of conservation. such trash can not be kept at the borders for a long time.

[Shteffan]

You crush your freaks-red-mannerheim-vlasov there, and here we are, in the country ourselves, somehow, without you, we will figure out what to do with the Natsiks. Otherwise you can lose the Krasnodar Territory.)))))). joke.

[carstorm 11]

yes you don’t worry that way) and whether you decide for yourself or not is definitely not for you. the world is so arranged. and no one will ask your opinion either. you don’t have such an indulgence from the day you started to bomb Donetsk.

[Shteffan]

And what, it was necessary to bomb Moscow ??

[Igool]

What could you do? Did you have such an opportunity? Don't you think that you are a little confusing the real with the invented by you or your curators? I must disappoint you that you did not have and do not have such an opportunity. Go around

[Shteffan]

But soon it will be. Faster than you think .... although what am I talking about? -You do not know how to think, therefore- "think".

[Igool]

Quote: Steffan

otherwise you can lose the Krasnodar Territory.)))))). a joke.

Only grow the lishalka first, and then doubt will make me apart about its presence at all.)))))). not a joke Make a lot of noise, Mr. Stefan, but it’s of little use, not at all. Everywhere and in every post, hurry to inform you that APU 2020, this is not APU 2014. So in Russia 2020, this is not 2014. I'll tell you a secret, this is true all over the world.

[DMoroz]

Judging by the terms on the profile picture - it's just a youngster, an account recovered into his dad’s account climbed.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Steffan

and here we are, in the country ourselves, somehow, without you, we’ll figure it out,

[Mikhail Tynda]

Take a chance, joker. All in its Hydrant.

[Revolver]

Quote: Steffan

little and proud Finland visited the GREAT RKKA of the GREAT USSR

And whose Zelenogorsk, do not remind? And Vyborg?

[Serge_]

Steffan, Finland was an ally of Hitler. And she scooped up at the end of the war so that she still remembers. The territories that she captured from Soviet Russia were returned.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Steffan

To tell you how little and proud Finland visited the GREAT RKKA of the GREAT USSR ?? YES with finches ?? YES to the Finns it didn’t help much, but BOWS WERE BELLED.

"The cat scratches on its spine." ©
Translate into Ukrainian and calm down.

[tralflot1832]

They took what they wanted from the "proud" Finland. our MTLBs are shuffled, a trifle but nice. And not only MTLB.

[Vadim Golubkov]

Tell me. I remember reading Rezun-Suvorov about the Finnish. He wrote that he had entered the data for analytics on a military computer located at the headquarters of the city of London, terrain, landscape, weather, the Manerheim line and TD, etc. So the computer gave him that you can defeat by dropping only the Atomic bomb. And the Red Army won anyway fighting in conditions where bread from frost became like a brick, not a single army was capable of this.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Steffan

APU arr. 2013 and arr. 2020 is TWO BIG DIFFERENCES

In my opinion, your sample of 2020

[tralflot1832]

What is this? The calculator of the revolution of hydidity? Ukrainian I do not know, hydency is nits, lice are something like that in my understanding.

[Avior]

Cool German color-blind, otherwise he would have been dressed in Feldgrau, with an American machine gun with a crooked barrel and in Russian pickaxes.
The question is what kind of stuffed animal?
The answer is, the Chinese are making films about the war in 2004 in Vladivostok.
People make fun
https://guns.allzip.org/topic/36/44540.html

[Vadim Golubkov]

And you, as I believe, are not a sofa expert? Do not forget that the DPR and LPR army is not the army of 2014, it has also strengthened, moreover, they made 7 boilers for you then.

[Shteffan]

The boilers went off when the battalion groups of the Russian armed forces went to the rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and hit. One was ambushed and the soldiers took prisoners there who said that they were "lost")))))

[Vadim Golubkov]

Then why, during the exchange of prisoners between Ukraine and LDN, do Ukrainians change to Ukrainians, and not Ukrainians to Russians? If the war has been going on with Russia for 6 years according to the official version of Ukraine?

[Shteffan]

What you wrote cannot refute living people, photos and video evidence.

[Vadim Golubkov]

Photos and videos can be fake. If real Russian soldiers were captured, then the Ukrainian side would show them to the whole world. Where are the captured Russian soldiers for 6 years of war? Their minimum should be a hundred.

[Shteffan]

Two definitely got caught. Everyone on YouTube has. There is a video photo of how they serve in the RF Armed Forces. There is a video of a Russian TV about these soldiers after exchanging from captivity how they continue to serve.

[Vadim Golubkov]

Can I refer to RosTV about these prisoners?

[Shteffan]

Give me the mail I'll throw off a couple of videos

[Vadim Golubkov]

Thanks for the video, I will know. In the first video it seems to be understandable ..... In the second, 1 was killed, and it seems these two prisoners from the first video, it is not clear where the others are, if they were ambushed by a convoy, there should be more prisoners and killed. I do not deny Russia's assistance to the republics, but not on such a scale as they say and describe. There are few prisoners in the 7 years of the war.

[Shteffan]

What are the 7 years of the war. When the APU launched an atomic attack and launched an offensive in the summer of 2014 and almost took Donetsk into the ring, on the attackers unexpectedly three army battalions of the Russian Federation wailed (such as peace enforcement unofficially) stopped the APU’s advance and helped take militias into the boilers. And left. so there they did the work and that’s all, they left. there are only a few days or weeks. what 7 years.

[Vadim Golubkov]

About 6-7 years they say so in Ukraine, that's why I voiced this. So, if that was so, then Ukraine should declare war on Russia and stop all trade, eco-economic relations ... trade is still going on, Russia is the first in investment in Ukraine, Ukraine does not want to lose transit gas through its territory and TD etc. So it turns out to whom war and coffins, and to whom the gesheft on both sides and profit, and the people bleed and deceive.

[Vadim Golubkov]

By the way, it’s not clear, two prisoners say they were brought in, given ammunition to the borders, then they came under fire and realized that they had fallen into war. It was somehow strange, they brought, gave ammunition, but they did not set combat tasks, what, where, what to do.

[Shteffan]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pXEDCg69Efs

[Overlock]

Zhukov's laurels do not give rest?
Let's get back to the realities.
Over 30 years of independence, more than one generation has grown up on Ukarien who does not know and does not want to know the Russian language and the past of the USSR. They were brought up in the spirit of nationalism. Therefore, when the war began in the Donbass, it was the youth who made up the backbone of the good dealers. Central and Eastern Ukraine mobilized, supplied, and financed more than 30 grains, and Western - only 6.
Volunteering fully provided the Armed Forces of Ukraine and well-being needed.
Poll in Ukraine: are Ukrainians ready to defend their homeland?
"Yes" - 52% of respondents, in 2012 - 33%.
By region: in the west, those who wish (63%), in the east - 55%, in the center and in the south - 50%.
Now a little history: the great and mighty USSR was never able to defeat Bandera by military means, and announced an amnesty to them

The severity was removed, but the beast lurked and revived now in Ukraine.
The question is: what are our casualties for the "liberation march"? The figure for the number of future partisans - see above.
The LDNR army will not be able to go beyond the borders of the controlled territories, since the Armed Forces of Ukraine have strengthened and built a layered defense. What ratio of advancing to defenders can bring success? What are the losses in attacking a layered defense?
And the most important question: do you think that no one will support Ukraine?
At a recent meeting between Patrushev and Bolton, it was pointed out that in the event of Russian intervention in the affairs of Ukraine and Belarus, full-scale sanctions will be taken against us, up to and including the oil embargo. With respect to the top of the Russian Federation, confiscation of accounts and real estate will be undertaken anywhere in the world.
Question: who is able to go against the United States in this matter?
By the way, look for yourself, for what reason did the LDNR troops stop the offensive and give Mariupol back? Who came to the GDP and what did he say?
So no illusions needed

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Yes, yes, in the polls they are ready to defend their homeland, but there’s no one right away to go to the army, so walk around with torches and shouting, screaming, beating up an unarmed crowd, they can, it’s in their understanding that it’s easy to kidnap!

[lopvlad]

Quote: Overlock

Now a little history: the great and mighty USSR was never able to defeat Bandera by military means, and announced an amnesty to them

they quickly overcame everything, and this Khrushchev released Bandera from prison in 1955, giving them an amnesty.

[poquello]

Quote: Overlock

Now a little history: the great and mighty USSR was never able to defeat Bandera by military means, and announced an amnesty to them

We read paragraph 4, and I couldn’t win the convicts yet - there was an amnesty somewhere before)))))))))))))))))))))))

[tralflot1832]

Bolton is history, a penny, so to speak. We and Donbas will be enough along the eastern bank of the Dnieper. A little western so as not to force it in a combat situation.

[Evil543]

Guys, don’t be nervous, nobody will attack you, you will destroy yourself

[Metallurg_2]

So far, only warriors of light are stuck in border boilers.

[KAV]

Quote: Steffan

Is Russia untouchable?

You would remove the image of I.V. from the avatar Stalin ... And then, inadvertently, a collapse will happen to you ...

[Shteffan]

And YOU WORLD HAS ONLY TWO COLORS: black and white. ENOUGH THINKING TEMPLATES.

[Igool]

Quote: Steffan

ENOUGH THINKING TEMPLATES.

Can you teach? How would you sit down at your desk, and expand your knowledge, they are very one-sided.

[Ros 56]

Dear Banderlog, it’s good to fool which years of the war, a maximum of a month and all the Natsiks will be in Poland (if they have time) in search of a piece of bread. But rather, Ukrainians themselves outweigh them here. Or do you think people will forgive them the blood and death of loved ones and their fear and humiliation, but they will be torn alive.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

"When the fate of the country and its integrity is at stake, and why not?"
You're probably joking, Ukraine allegedly has been fighting with Russia since 2014, only Ukrainian conscripts in the army can’t even be dragged by force, so they are eager to defend their homeland;)

[Vadim Golubkov]

I understand that you are not a sofa expert?

[4ekist]

I don’t understand, but why bother invading this shit?

[orionvitt]

Quote: 4ekist

I don’t understand, but why bother invading this shit?

At least 10 million Russians still live in this, as you say, "shit". They are quite adequate for themselves, but due to the circumstances that are in the occupation, or hostages, whatever you want to call it. In any case, sooner or later, Russia will have to sort out the situation with Ukraine, regardless of whether you want it or not. And in what way, we'll see.

[4ekist]

I have no doubt about that. I think the military-political leadership will have the intelligence and adequacy not to use the force method (invasion). Well, if the invasion is carried out from the adjacent territory, then hollow in full.

[orionvitt]

We'll see. Amendments to the constitution, so urgently adopted for a reason, now we will observe the development of events. On the other hand, by political methods, the problem of Ukraine is not solved.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Natsik will not run anywhere. And Ukrainians will not do anything. (So ​​the political leaders in 1941 told the Red Army fighters that the German working class would cast off the yoke of Hitlerism) This is such a nationality that will behave appropriately, the situation and its own benefit. Yes, and change in the air. The main thing is to help the Donbass. Donbass himself will deal with this ragul. Donbass does not throw in any case. We vouched for people and they believe us. This is the main thing.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

So they already ran, conscripts escaped as best they could, some to Poland, some to Russia, and some to hell!

[tralflot1832]

Someone posted it here in the 15th. A brother calls his brother in Kiev in the spring of '14: How are you, brother? Answer You are not my brother after the revolution of guides, I don’t speak with the slave, the buzzer. 15 year call from Kiev: The brother can come with the whole family, otherwise they will take me to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Answer: Easy, just first sit in the trench from the DNI or LNR. Gudki.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Reagan's ghost

I do not think that 40 million Ukrainians will surrender without a fight.

But the question is, how many millions can you put under arms so that someone goes to fight for his uncle and for his pennies?

[Overlock]

Quote: tihonmarine

But the question is, how many millions can you put under arms so that someone goes to fight for his uncle and for his pennies?

But how many Bandera were there in Western Ukraine?
"The number of UPA fighters, according to various sources, ranged from 25-30 to more than 400 thousand people in different periods."

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Overlock

But how many Bandera were there in Western Ukraine?

But do not compare Western Ukraine with Central. Or do you think that Central Ukraine was painted in the OUN color?

[New Year day]

Quote: tihonmarine

But do not compare Western Ukraine with Central. Or do you think that Central Ukraine was painted in the OUN color?

exactly. Very interesting site
http://tribunal-today.ru/guilt/

[lucul]

Ready to really fight? I do not think that 40 million Ukrainians will surrender without a fight

Ahahaahah))))
Yes, at the start of hostilities, it will be the same as in the Crimea - the military will massively go over to the side of Russia.)))
And for those who were still in power yesterday, pogroms may begin ....

[maykl8]

Can you imagine what resistance you will encounter, not to mention guerrillaism?

The best fighters with partisans are Ukrainian policemen. Those who wish for a reasonable price will be immeasurable. The villages will burn, hang partisans. The terrible thing is Ukrainians!

[Shadow041]

Firstly, we don’t have to scare us with a war, especially with Ukraine, in which it’s not a lot of 40 million, but a lot less, and those that are, in turn, will not become in the military enlistment office, with the exception of the biggest thugs, from the UPA, who are already fighting against the Russian Federation anywhere, just to fight. So when and where they will have to be killed, the only question is time, and the fact that they will not leave the Russian Federation a choice is a fact, because they fought against the Russian Federation in Ossetia as well in Chechnya ... Secondly, if the Russian Federation merges Donbass, it’s not will add respect to neither Putin and the company, nor the army of the Russian Federation, and having cut out all the Russians in Donbas, all the Russians will climb into the Crimea, and insolently they will climb to Voronezh ... So you leave your calls for surrender to the Bandera to the Poles, although I think in Poland with they don’t agree with you, because the Polish Army is not afraid of Bandera’s shortcomings.

[minomoto]

Quote: Reagan's Ghost

Can you imagine what resistance you will encounter, not to mention guerrillaism ?.

Introducing.

[Revolver]

Quote: Reagan's ghost

Seriously, do you really think that the RF Armed Forces will reach Kiev a week? Can you imagine what resistance you will encounter, not to mention guerrillaism?

The local population will make every effort to detain Russian tanks by almost forcibly shoving the crews of bread and salt, lard, and gorilka. And in some places this tactic will succeed. After all, in order to continue the march, the crews, or at least the mechvods, it will be necessary to oversleep after libations. So they may not reach in a week.

[Igool]

Well, not all there raguli. There are quite sane people. And they are not enough. But Natsik themselves already get them not sickly, so that bread and salt are quite predictable and real.

[Michael67]

Sorry for the distraction from the topic. Although, it seems like the topic: https://vk.com/video19192951_167545484

[tralflot1832]

Yes, there will not be any resistance. Just the "north wind" and FSE will blow. Only it is necessary to decide on this! Only Banderlog will die for the idea, and then from fear.

[avia12005]

Glory to the heroes. 40 million Ukrainians fighting with the Russian army - this is the legend of Mount Goverla, written by a drunk and stoned hedgehog.

[Vadim Golubkov]

Yes, Ukrainians will not fight, firstly not 40 million, but somewhere around 30, taking into account the fact that many have dispersed and will disperse, if now many are hiding from the ATO, there will only be agitated nationalists who fight a little, and secondly, most Ukrainians will go over to the side of Russia right away.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Reagan's ghost

I do not think that 40 million Ukrainians will surrender without a fight. Sooner or later, the situation with LDNR will turn into a war, the only question is whether you want to start a full-scale warrior with Ukraine in 3-4 or 5-6 years? Seriously, do you really think that the RF Armed Forces will reach Kiev a week? Can you imagine what resistance you will encounter, not to mention guerrillaism? AND

Yes, from the age of 14, Ukraine has only dreamed that we would attack and do everything for this, just answer the question, and who needs you with a ruined industry and murdered infrastructure? It is enough for Russia to simply freeze the conflict further, but Ukraine needs it to be resolved as soon as possible. But they won’t surrender to the account, so you will be very disappointed, in the conditions of the civil war, I think, not a small part will join the opposite camp.

[Looking for]

and you do not sign for all Ukrainians !!!!

[Metallurg_2]

Of the designated 40 million, from which it is necessary to take away the working people who are constantly abroad, half will meet the Russian army of singers with bread and salt.
Partisans will be the most stubborn, somewhere in the west of the country. Although where is the partisan - did they cut the forests onto the round timber and took them to Europe?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Junior Warrant Officer

Why do we need changes in the constitution of others?

Fat trolling non-brothers. It is clear that they will be spinning on coals in order to leave the least as it is ...

[St Petrov]

there are two ukroariya unsubscribed above)

this is not trolling, this is the credo

Can you imagine what resistance you will encounter

funny circus actor, you don't even believe it yourself

[avg]

Quote: s-t Petrov

there are two ukroariya unsubscribed above)

There are more of them and they even try to carry out a planned attack. But stupidity, conceit and illiteracy interfere. Such a passage touches me so simply:

And the opinions of couch experts here are generally better not to discuss whom in the pond a dime a dozen, but better what really will be in the long or medium term.

And why then did this hell come here, so that everyone would listen to his pearls with bated breath. We got these "Crimean women, daughters of officers." It is necessary to drive them and ban them mercilessly.

[carstorm 11]

because it’s politics. because in fact the Minsk agreements have not been canceled. no matter what happens officially, ours will not be the first to leave them. which means they will meticulously demand the entire world to fulfill them.

[codetalker]

Keep silent - you will marry a smart ...
Popular wisdom.

[Kronos]

What nonsense is LDNR going to Russia?

[Herman 4223]

The supremacy of international law is enshrined in the chapter of the first constitution; it has not changed.

[Igool]

But the right to veto, to the unwanted creeps, has changed. Do not forget that in Europe, law is based on Roman law, i.e. precedent. And the court no longer looks at the law if there was a precedent in a court decision. They allowed gay marriage, thereby setting a precedent, and this decision directly applied to Russia. After all, Russia, although it did not conclude any agreements on this issue, was obliged to submit to this decision on the basis of the supremacy of international law. Now everything, there is no agreement on this issue? Goodbye gentlemen good

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Igool

Do not forget that in Europe, law is based on Roman law, i.e. precedent.

I always thought it was Anglo-Saxon (British)

[Igool]

Quote: Ruslan67

always thought it was Anglo-Saxon (British)

Yes, it is also based on Roman law.

[Herman 4223]

The abolition of the rule of international law has yet to be fought.
The generally recognized principles and norms of international law are part of our legal system. (That is, it is prescribed in our laws and norms)
According to the decision of the Supreme Court, the meaning and content of universally recognized norms is disclosed in international UN agencies (that is, the meaning and content of our laws are determined there, they must comply with them).
All this has not gone anywhere, the process has just begun, I hope it will end as it should for the country.

[tralmaster]

Ensign and understanding is not necessary, op should only execute commands. Officers think for him.

[svp67]

Quote: Junior Warrant Officer

Why do we need changes in the constitution of others?

I can say one thing that the answer to you will be this, you "read the book, but you see a fig" ... Once again THOUGHTLY read the article, maybe then there you will find all the answers to your questions

[iouris]

Quote: Junior Warrant Officer

spit on other people's norms and laws, we will be guided

The Constitution of Ukraine must be changed by Parubiy. This is the will of all "guarantors". But not all "guarantors" are demanding. Thus, all or some of the "guarantors" have a legal basis to allow the consequences to occur.

[SASHA OLD]

I hope all these "meetings" someday (it would be better sooner) will lead to something positive.
Peaceful people are dying, Ukrainians are hammering settlements ...
Faster it would end.
It’s a pity that at one time the defenders of Donbas were not allowed to finish off the dives, it’s a pity ...

[URAL72]

Sorry, but we could not finish off. Too unequal forces, too we were disorganized. Many did not fight, but robbed, diverting our resources. There was no equipment, weapons and ammunition were not enough. But Mariupol could take, here we ourselves are in shock.

[parusnik]

But Mariupol could take, here we ourselves are in shock.

... Another, different alignment would be ...

[Avior]

And what would Mariupol change?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: SASHA OLD

I hope all these "meetings" someday (it would be better sooner) will lead to something positive.

For them, the most convenient option is "No war, no peace, but we will still shoot." They have no money for anything, but they will throw them on weapons, and their former republics will be given the remnants of the SA. There will be no conflicts with the Lao PDR, conflicts will begin within the country. In general, without a war "And neither there nor syudy."

[parusnik]

There will not be and will not be such amendments. But they will, Donbass will remain part of Vkraina with a special status .. The special status will not last long until the amendments to the Special Status are canceled ...

[mdsr]

Previously, articles about Ukraine caused a stir in the comments. But the people are already tired of the outskirts.

[Junior Warrant Officer]

About Ukraine, in the morning Moscow time, a full house in the comments can be observed. Neobraty, 404, lace panties, pots, fascists, will soon fall apart, freeze and other set ...

[awg75]

what are your years a young Ukrainian troll. very soon you will see how nenko will fall apart. you measured too much land. let’s reduce by the most pikachu, don’t even hesitate. there will be less than before Lenin, whom you are ungrateful I can’t even say who, sent to CherMed.

[Kronos]

Do not collapse Ukraine needs the United States

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Junior Warrant Officer

Neobraty, 404, lace panties, pots, fascists, will soon fall apart, freeze and other set ..

Well, be glad that at least someone has not forgotten. They told you about the brothers in the movie "Brother", so there is nothing to add.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mdsr

But the people are already tired of the outskirts.

Yes, not tired, but set my teeth on edge. Already the hand does not rise to the "keyboard" to press, as if you are knocking on something sticky.

[7,62x54]

Donbas, gritting his teeth, sheds blood in the hope that Russia will recognize them as its territory. And at this time, the Kremlin is obsessively pushing them into the arms of the Nazis ....

[Lipchanin]

Quote: 7,62x54

that Russia recognizes them as its territory.

On what basis?
Like it or not, but this is the territory of Ukraine and the people living there are citizens of the outskirts

[7,62x54]

Crimea de jure was also Ukrainian. Moreover, Crimean residents still hold Ukrainian passports under the mattress, i.e. are Ukrainian citizens.

[Lipchanin]

[/ quote] [quote = 7,62х54] Crimea de jure was also Ukrainian

Crimea had a special status. Therefore, the referendum there was legitimate.

Crimean autonomy within Ukraine was formed by the law of the Ukrainian SSR of February 12, 1991 as the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. In 1992, autonomy was renamed to the Republic of Crimea [5] [6], and in 1994 to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea [7].

[Junior Warrant Officer]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: 7,62x54

Crimea de jure was also Ukrainian

Crimea had a special status. Therefore, the referendum there was legitimate.

This special status was cut, leaving only the name "autonomous republic" back in the 90s. So it was not a special status that played a role here, but the UN convention on the self-determination of peoples.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Junior Warrant Officer

This special status was cut, leaving only the name "autonomous republic" back in the 90s.

Well no

and in 1994 - to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea [

Here they are like autonomy and self-determined

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Junior Warrant Officer

This special status was cut, leaving only the name "autonomous republic" back in the 90s.

No matter how you cut, how you didn’t jump out of the trucelle, but the word "Republic" remained, it has a meaning for everyone. And for the separation too, so the Crimea simply threw the mooring lines into the water, moved away from Ukraine, and silently and silently moored to Russia. The mooring operation proceeded quickly, according to "good maritime practice". Hang up the car, hourly readiness. Ukraine good night.

[Avior]

In the case of the Crimea, there were no fundamental differences from the Donbass in legal terms.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avior

In the case of the Crimea, there were no fundamental differences from the Donbass in legal terms.

Donbass is one of the regions of Ukraine
Crimea is

and in 1994 - in Autonomous Republic Crimea[

No difference???

[Avior]

In terms of the possibility of a referendum, no.
You are misled by the word autonomy. But autonomies are very different, depending on how the issues are spelled out in which autonomy is defined.
See how many autonomies are in the Russian Federation. And not one of them has the right to such a referendum, just like the region.
In Ukraine, the same.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avior

In Ukraine, the same.

You are mistaken

Firstly, the 2014 referendum was a solution to a problem that was a direct consequence of the collapse of the USSR - the status of the Crimea in the post-Soviet space. The leadership of Ukraine ignored two important referendums held in Crimea - the referendum of 1991, in which the majority of voters voted to recreate the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic as part of the USSR and the referendum of 1994, in which the majority voted to restore the 1992 Constitution, which was abrogated by Kiev. As a result of the actions of the Kiev government, Crimea was deprived of the opportunity to exercise SD-law and became part of Ukraine against the wishes of a significant part of the population. This problem could be solved by giving Crimea wide political and cultural autonomy, but the Ukrainian leadership, represented by Leonid Kuchma, chose to do the opposite - to cut autonomy.

[Avior]

Both referendums you indicated did not have legal force and their results were canceled.

The problems of the status of Crimea after the collapse of the USSR did not exist, as well as problems with other autonomies - they are officially recognized by parts of the respective republics directly in the text of the Bialowieza Agreement on the Formation of the CIS.
It says that existing borders between the republics remain.
Later confirmed by an agreement between Russia and Ukraine.
So there was no difference between Crimea and Donbass.

[Junior Warrant Officer]

In the unrecognized republics, a referendum was held, according to the Crimean type. Is this not your reason?
Although to be honest, I played enough with the ideas of the Russian world. I am ashamed of deceived people from LDNR and relatives of the guys there who have folded their heads ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Junior Warrant Officer

In the unrecognized republics, a referendum was held, according to the Crimean type. Is this not your reason?

There could be no "type"

Crimean autonomy as part of Ukraine was formed by the law of the Ukrainian SSR of February 12, 1991 as Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. In 1992, autonomy was renamed the Republic of Crimea [5] [6], and in 1994 - to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea[7].

Is Donbass autonomous?

[Avior]

There are different autonomies
Autonomy of Crimea in the issue of exit was no different from Donbass

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avior

Autonomy of Crimea in the issue of exit was no different from Donbass

Well, how didn’t it differ ?????
Donbass, a region within the country
Crimea is

and in 1994 - in Autonomous Republic Crimea[

There is no difference between the AUTONOMOUS REPUBLIC and the REGION ????

[2 Level Advisor]

it makes no difference when autonomy wants to go out or the region .. they have not spelled out the possibility of separation in powers - neither there, nor there.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

when autonomy wants to go out or region ..

So any region can also hold a referendum on withdrawal from the Russian Federation?

[Avior]

On the issue, no.
There are some other issues.
But they have nothing to do with this case.

[Revival]

Not. In the event that any special powers are not prescribed in the constitution and laws.
Can autonomies organize a referendum and get out?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

Autonomy of Crimea in the issue of exit was no different from Donbass

Read the manual.

[Avior]

I read.
There is not the slightest difference in issues of exit between the region and autonomy.

[Revival]

People cannot understand in any way that the name autonomy itself does not possess magical properties.

[4ekist]

If this outskirts is killing, robbing, humiliating its citizens, then why is this outskirts needed. All the same, she will be remembered.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

Like it or not, but this is the territory of Ukraine and the people living there are citizens of the outskirts

But there are already many Russian citizens. How many did not specify.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

But there are already many Russian citizens. How many did not specify.

So what? They have not ceased to be citizens of Ukraine

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

So what? They have not ceased to be citizens of Ukraine

Well, if the passport is Russian, then it’s not the citizens of Ukraine, although I don’t know if dual citizenship is allowed in Russia.

[Avior]

Not this way.
Obtaining citizenship does not lead to an automatic exit from the former.
In Russia, dual citizenship
(more than two citizenships, this is not exactly the same thing) is allowed.

[codetalker]

Well, how can you say such nonsense. Donbass does not recognize Russia as its territory. And rightly so. This will lead to years of war. Who will cry for her victims?

[Glennie]

Come and see the "fascists"! The brains were completely washed!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Glenni

Come and see the "fascists"! The brains were completely washed!

[St Petrov]

Andriy, everything is fine in your country and there are no foshizd!
And "Azov" no, it's all brainwashed!
and there was never a tornado and they were not tried in court
And the crowd of monkeys didn’t jump with a cry - Moskalyak to gilyak before the Crimea in 13
and there are no looters! And your political clowns do not want to send a nuclear bomb to Moscow

Andrey, pan on! We will format your Ukraine. and APU your waffle will also be formatted

[2 Level Advisor]

Comrade sergeant-engine succumbed to serviceable, ready for the offensive?

[St Petrov]

I always answer the patriots of Ukraine - that Russia has the opportunity to remotely insert a missile into the main stable of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - to the General Staff in Kiev, to break down all the control of the waffle army and cut off the connection

Comrade Sergeant is always ready, by the way. To be mobilized if something happens

This article is an example of how preparations are underway for formatting Ukraine. after recognition of a special status, it will no longer be the same.

[2 Level Advisor]

It is clear .. the poddivanny engine is working properly, the PU sofa "Caliber" in combat readiness .. Are you in yourself at all? Are you really going to war with Ukraine or will you wave a sword in front of TV on the couch - if such a mess starts? Why do you need Ukraine, that's the answer, why?

[St Petrov]

Why do you need Ukraine, so answer, why?

I and Belarus need

really gathered for war with Ukraine

if there are few volunteers who have already left, then the army will come

[2 Level Advisor]

Yes, I do not mind .. and the tribalt and Poland ... why only? You never answered ..

[St Petrov]

because this land, for which my ancestors poured blood, and it was part of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR. The fact that the actors begin to tell me that for 30 years there has been some kind of country, this is a temporary phenomenon, I think

Leo Tolstoy wouldn’t understand you now either.

Tell me, what does Crimea or Odessa have to do with Ukraine? Why are they Ukraine?

[2 Level Advisor]

Well, there is logic in this. I am also offended that it took a long time to collect the country and eventually scattered a lot. Well, although that is how the Greeks once reached Persia ... Is it necessary to "shed blood"? cut out the population of these countries, etc. Do you know any other ways besides violence?

[St Petrov]

was there violence in the Crimea? But there were no other meetings of the Ukrainian army and the Russian. So why do you think there will be resistance?

Or do you think Ukrainian soldiers will have different conditions? Will there be a connection with Kiev? will the options resist?

Javelins will be handed over to the museum. And the largest tricolor in Russia will be sewn
They will compete with me - who is a great patriot of Russia

[2 Level Advisor]

Vooot .. And here I already agree with you! This way of restoration is much more effective when the territories themselves want to join .. And why did I start a dialogue, in your phrases, I heard nothing except the idea of ​​"banging" .. I think so too, you need to ask yourself, then the integration will take place almost without problems .. Although .. well I wanted Donbass .. but to the point ..

[St Petrov]

Donbass - a nail in the lid of the former Ukraine. because of him, she will not become what she was in 2000 or in 2013

I write, it will be reformatted. An army is not even needed. Maximum stop attempts and agony. And then I think of the bad units that have gone out of control - enough of the corps.

A unitary state will no longer be in this place. Donbass is needed precisely for this. He will change the outskirts

They have already lost by signing Minsk.

[2 Level Advisor]

there is such a possibility .. and I would also not mind that in the end we would be one friendly country .. I’m really not sure that we need fascist zapadentsy ..
there is another possibility, and it cannot be denied, that the "partners" will keep it as a buffer and hotbed of instability on the Russian border, preventing us from accepting them .. like Donbass .. in this case, it will persist, until the balance of power in the world changes ... And when it changes-xs ..

[Cristall]

Quote: s-t Petrov

was there violence in the Crimea? But there were no other meetings of the Ukrainian army and the Russian. So why do you think there will be resistance?

the dead were.

shot be healthy.
Just 2014 - all the Russians seem to be brothers. YES and a mess in the information field, where Russians have more confidence than their own in Kiev.
But then it became clear. And the first Ukrainians killed by Russians were already Krym.
And it was their blood, the blood in the east, the blood of those killed during the capture of the same Yerofeyev and Aleksandrov (they killed the military during the detention) - a lot has changed in the worldview of Ukrainians.
and 2014 now does not happen again! There is no feeling that the Russians are Russians ..
The same aggressive neighbors who will not take advantage of weakness and chop off a piece of land from the weak.
And the advertisement of the Russian world .... a gray zone without a future ...
I still have the impression of the case of the brutal murder of a guy for a ribbon told by Aviore ... the son of a Russian woman ...
No ... thanks. Better to fight.

[St Petrov]

shot be healthy.

what are you talking about (from)

I am always in roulette when they start talking about these two cases. I just don’t know how an adult can tell me 1 or 2 last names, during a special operation around units with 20 Ukrainian military

the army received an order not to kill and complied with it. As if the actors from the circus did not like it.

Ukrainian military units lowered their flags in military units without a fight. Can you imagine the amount of weapons that have not been used? Our army did not kill you, politely asked to leave - and your military obeyed the order, meekly.

And most importantly, can you imagine what the Russian Armed Forces would do? Dozens of military units lower flags without a fight on the orders of a foreign army. Haha Count on, someone captures us from the Kuban - with us the whole country will go back. At first, the army - and not cope - mobilization will be tightened. Here is our main difference with you. patriots of Ukraine

Resentment makes your mind

PS you haven’t marshal the cheat yet, Ukrainian patriot?

[4ekist]

It is possible to come to the Russian Federation, but to your dill only by invitation (after 60), moreover, there is no desire.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Glenni

Come and see the "fascists"!

Better not worth it, but trips to Ukraine are dangerous to health. I had enough of Odessa, March 2014.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: 7,62x54

Donbas, gritting his teeth, sheds blood in the hope that Russia will recognize them as its territory. And at this time, the Kremlin is obsessively pushing them into the arms of the Nazis ....

Do not write nonsense. In Crimea, they wanted to live in Russia - and they are in Russia. In the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk region the voices of supporters of Ukraine and Russia are almost equally + undecided. The people in these territories are millions. Quite a sufficient number to solve their problems with the whole APU, if they have a desire. Russian troops have nothing to do there. Help with equipment and specialists is quite (on the opposite side this is the same practice).

[Karaul73]

Quote: Junior Ensign

About Ukraine, in the morning Moscow time, a full house in the comments can be observed. Neobraty, 404, lace panties, pots, fascists, will soon fall apart, freeze and other set ...

[St Petrov]

This is Aryan yes. but he does not pretend to be Aryan

[convoy]

Now Russia requires Ukraine to show how the legal status of the territories of Donbass will be determined in the Ukrainian constitution

Well, finally, they began to demand, otherwise everything "causes concern" .. Enough already mocked at Russia .. It's time to pay the bills!
Most likely all of this will be ignored by svidomye (they will fire at the Donbass, etc.) and then the next step will be behind us .. Then do not be offended "And we are for sho
.. "
PS We need Kiev!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Konvoi

PS We need Kiev!

What for?

[petrol cutter]

"What for?"
You really need to explain?! ..
Then I will report to you, beyond Lipetsk you see nothing ...

[convoy]

Quote: Petrol cutter

"What for?"
You really need to explain?! ..
Then I will report to you, beyond Lipetsk you see nothing ...

Thanks, to the point they answered for me ..

[Glennie]

Kiev is somehow more necessary for Ukraine! But you personally can come and take what problems?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Glenni

But you personally can come and take what problems?

And I do not want to give debts for them
Recover that they have been stubbornly destroying since the 90s
Feed them like in the USSR

[Cristall]

if you have confidence in these figures, then you need to remember the population density + cost of fixed assets and their density.
Especially the assembly sites of large enterprises ..
And according to these figures, the Ukrainian SSR produced a little less than it consumed ..
Feeding is available ...
Or maybe the BSSR fed the USSR? And not the RSFSR ..
there is no such version?
In any case, it is silly to ascribe to Russia the "feeding" of the Ukrainian SSR.
The USSR was not in vain invested in fixed assets. The density of enterprises and production with population density is very high.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Glenni

Kiev is somehow more necessary for Ukraine!

I realized that nobody needs him at all.

[convoy]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Glenni

Kiev is somehow more necessary for Ukraine!

I realized that nobody needs him at all.

Well, don’t tell me .. Here we don’t need Westerners (Lviv and others ..)
And Kiev from Svidomo Zapadnentsev clear .. And there will be a completely Russian city ..
Like before ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Konvoi

And Kiev from Svidomo Zapadnentsev clear .. And there will be a completely Russian city ..

I would like to.

[convoy]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Konvoi

And Kiev from Svidomo Zapadnentsev clear .. And there will be a completely Russian city ..

I would like to.

So it will be Vlad! There were a lot of devils there .. LGBTI flags are hung out on the mother’s motherland and in US embassies
It's time to clean, otherwise this infection will come to us and knock on the door ..

[petrol cutter]

"I realized that no one needs him at all."
Apparently the people will have to explain.
Kiev as such is not interested in anyone! Well, except for lovers of Kiev as such.
It is either control or ownership of the territory.
Since today is a hostile territory.
Why is the territory needed? And her (as life shows) in this direction, there is not much.
What is on it? But are not the debugged production of the same gas turbine engines / gearboxes and other engine building, without which our production of ships and aircraft hung?
There are a lot of things without which we hung.
Yes, we’re trying to build it ourselves, but how much time, money?
And you need- Yesterday!
I am ashamed to say for my peninsula. Especially in terms of the Channel! Now it seems that the "taboo" has been removed from this topic. "Torba" without a channel! In fact, bother the farmers and gardeners.
No stories for "we will drill wells" do not roll.
Wells, the field will not spill.
In addition, we have an enterprise in the city of Armyansk, where already that season the evacuation of the population was announced. Because by technology he needs a lot of water. But she wasn’t there. Because summer!
I can continue long and tedious, but who cares ...

[petrol cutter]

I've been to your Kiev. A village is a village. Nothing interesting. Ruin and "bag" all around. Move back three hundred meters from the center.

[Cristall]

Quote: Konvoi

PS We need Kiev!

Meehan are you ...
You have some unhealthy fantasies about Kiev ...
consulted or something ..
Like the city - go by yourself, take an online tour, read, watch the video ..

[convoy]

Quote: Cristall

You have some unhealthy fantasies about Kiev ...
consulted or something ..
Like the city - go by yourself, take an online tour, read, watch the video ..

Well, if so, only with the Donbass together .. Christy ..)))

It is possible and infantry ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Konvoi

It is possible and infantry

On a tank with armored infantry, more preferably. Better than online excursions.

[Well done]

Clear. These "negotiations" in the Ukrov style were shaken. It looks like Gorbachev, who, at one time, achieved a "consensus" with NATO. RIP to the Minsk agreements, on which they "laid" long ago.

[Glennie]

Demand from a sovereign state? Shores not beguiled?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Glenni

Demand from a sovereign state?

Demand compliance by them with the signed agreements
Nothing personal

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

Demand compliance by them with the signed agreements
Nothing personal

And I'm not surprised at anything.

[convoy]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Lipchanin

Demand compliance by them with the signed agreements
Nothing personal

And I'm not surprised at anything.

Kolomoisky needs to be taken for the gills .. Well, and his other Nazis from Azov, etc.

[Ryaruav]

there was never such a state, you have to kiss the Bolsheviks in the ass

[Karabin]

Quote: Ryaruav

you have to kiss the Bolsheviks in the ass

And the interim government.
ARTICLE. Against the forcible Ukrainization of southern Russia.
(Author: V. Shulgin, newspaper "Kievlyanin" 1917)

The Decree of the Provisional Government “on the formation of the General Secretariat as the highest governing body for regional affairs in Ukraine”, in fact, is the creation of a special region in the Russian Stainless, with the assignment of the name of Ukraine to it. The same decree means that the population of this region will be called Ukrainians in state acts, and the language spoken by the population will be Ukrainian. With one stroke of the pen, the Provisional Government resolved the issue of extraordinary importance in the life of every citizen of the South of Russia.

People who yesterday considered themselves Russian, who struggled for the existence of Russia, who shed blood for Russian land, were transferred from Russians to Ukrainians by decision of the Provisional Government, and the Government did not ask these people about their desires and did not allow them to express their attitude to this most important issue for a person, the issue of belonging to one or another nationality. In this decision of the Provisional Government, one cannot fail to see an act of the greatest neglect of rulers to the rights of the governed ....

[4ekist]

What is a sovereign state? Please clarify.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

This is where Biden taxied, who will be the prosecutor gene, and how will the government act? So-sovereignty

[Avior]

Nothing new, old song.
A special status requires first coordination with the authorities of Ordilo, as prescribed in the Minsk Agreements, Kiev requires at the beginning of elections under Ukrainian laws and the emergence of a legitimate authority, he does not consider the current authorities to be legal, and no negotiations, including agreements on a special status, are made with them leads in principle.

[Alexey Kostyukov]

everything will end quickly-calibrate the whole country along the border of Donbass, a new demarcation, entrance to the Russian Federation and the state border, as in Crimea. Everyone will be happy.

[Junior Private]

Quote: Reagan's Ghost

I do not think that 40 million Ukrainians will surrender without a fight.

Again, Banderlose equated with the Ukrainians. Yes, Ukrainians surrendered to Bandera without a fight - these are their problems, let them figure it out themselves. And Russia has no reason to fight, except for its citizens. And the number of Russian passports in LDNR is growing.

[Cristall]

Quote: Junior Private

Again Banderlose equate to Ukrainians

Yes, we are all "banderlozhtsy" only if for Ukraine.
There is no difference in the eyes of the cheers of the patriots.
The Russians fought the most. And from that and from that side. It doesn't matter whose passport they had. But it was they who fought and died.
And yes, they didn’t resist in the Crimea. They believed in the Russian Federation. Naively, all the same.
I was so ... naive too.
In general, resistance was provided by Russian Ukraine .. In everything. When they understood what’s the matter ..
What, under the guise and weakness, is simply taken away from us.
It so happened that the Russians in Ukraine preferred Ukraine rather than supporting an aggressive neighbor.

[Junior Private]

If the "ethnic Ukrainians" like to feed the Bandera gangs, then this is their choice, not Russia. And if the people do not approve of fecal processions with portraits of a Polish homosexual and wants to self-proclaim in the Odessa, Nikolaev or some other people's republic, then this is also their choice deserving respect. And in what form Novorossia is then transformed - this is again the choice of the people living there.
And their next tales about the "aggressive neighbor", come on - they are tired.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Cristall

yes we are all "banderlozhtsy"

even the main Bandera people from Western Ukraine will instantly forget their mov and run to Putin to kiss their flowers with flowers as soon as Russian troops enter Ukraine

[Sergey Averchenkov]

What to demand from them? This is not the first time Ukraine has betrayed us - it will betray us again. I see the solution to this issue in only one way - Ukraine must be destroyed as a state.

[Vladimir61]

An article, like a litmus paper on revealing a nationalist cattle in the VO! Eat and choke on your own vomit. Donbass to Ukraine ...? Faster the sky will change its position with the earth!

[Prisoner]

Nevertheless, amendments to the Constitution were very necessary. As the "partners" it stirred up. Not IN, but a holiday of some kind of soul. The Baltic states are hysterical, the loafs are threatened with skewers, the neighbors are independent of guerrilla warfare and are fed from the west. I hope all this is not free and Soros and Khodorkovsky will remain without pants.

[Karabin]

Quote: Captive

Nevertheless, amendments to the Constitution were very necessary.

And how will this affect matters in the Donbass? As Moscow did not recognize the DPR and LPR, it does not. As she played in a bowl of disgrace, so she plays. And most importantly, both Russian people perished, and perish.

[Aleks2000]

Demand, not demand, what is the difference.
Everything is clear to everyone. Around it is full of buffer zones, poorly poorly existing much longer than the republics.

[Ros 56]

Apparently the time has come to take Natsik for Faberge and twist, according to the Minsk agreements.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Still, after Ukraine failed to submit constitutional amendments or Ukraine’s refusal to do this, some REAL measures would be taken to dill ...

[orionvitt]

to dream that the current situation will change for Ukraine in a more favorable direction

As long as there is "independent" Ukraine, the very concept of "in a favorable direction" is a utopia.

[Shuttle]

Kozak Ermak, it was one man, and now two ...

[Radical]

At the meeting of the “Norman Four”, Russia demanded that Ukraine provide a text of changes to the country's constitution with the registered special status of Donbass changed.

This is in the sense that the surrender of Donbass to Kraine is legalized?

[Serge_]

Quote: Steffan

History may be yours, but it does not teach you anything .. like everyone else.

This Natsik history does not teach anything. You were beaten by Russians and will be beaten.

[Alexander Barinov]

On the circus arena on behalf of Volodimir Zelensky Ukraine * represent Oleksiy Reznikov and Andriy Єrmak. Pediculosis and others ...

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Steffan

A couple of thousand t-64,72,80 can work in depth under the cover of air defense. Donbass army is pshik. They will be demolished and carried to Rostov. VSU arr. 2013 and arr. 2020 are TWO BIG DIFFERENCES. And then this abyss will increase. because the grandmothers vkachuyut there. Walking like in Georgia will not be. However, you do not care about the sofa. You have every day: ".... The Red Army is stronger than all .... and then the 41st year happens.

you don’t be offended, but to compare the Wehrmacht with the APU is kapets how much you flattered yourself ... very much

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Steffan

You crush your freaks-red-mannerheim-vlasov there, and here we are, in the country ourselves, somehow, without you, we will figure out what to do with the Natsiks. Otherwise you can lose the Krasnodar Territory.)))))). joke.

"we will sort it out with the Nazis" ........ yes, you will just anneal .. he will figure it out))) your natsiks will cut you down on the belts, you won't even have time to grunt .... 6 years have passed and how ... they figured out ?

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Steffan

And what about Yugoslavia ?? they bombed, bombed, ironed, and the whole army remained and ready. how did it? ironed the whole block, bombed half the country, and the whole army sat in the forests and mountains and waited for the trample. doesn’t it just mean aviation? can not all aviation?

but there is no Yugoslavia .... here you can sit all the way in the Carpathians and wait for something ..... once again I will answer the question - Yugoslavia NO - this is the result

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Reagan's Ghost

Ready to really fight? I do not think that 40 million Ukrainians will surrender without a fight. Sooner or later, the situation with LDNR will turn into a war, the only question is whether you want to start a full-scale warrior with Ukraine in 3-4 or 5-6 years? Seriously, do you really think that the RF Armed Forces will reach Kiev a week? Can you imagine what resistance you will encounter, not to mention guerrillaism? And the West will supply Ukraine very, very well. I would even say better than the USSR and the PRC at one time supplied Vietnam. Talk about the use of nuclear weapons is out of the question.

When I read this all the time I wonder - Why go to Kiev? What is there in Kiev to take it? Land (strategically important territories, which the Russian Federation has already defined for itself in the Russian Federation - Crimea) is not needed. What is the salt of the problem? The point is that Ukraine is viewed as a threat at the border. So HOW to solve such moments was shown not even by the United States, but by Israel .... day after day, for years, it stops and solves these problems. What is the essence of this threat? Many inhabitants are not the point, the point is the presence of the potential to arm these people at least 2 + / 3 + and these people do not have other important problems of survival. The solution is to destroy the potential and provide people with problems so that crazy thoughts are not born in their heads. That is, in principle, to unfold all industrial production (everything that does / repairs dual-purpose equipment), all the remaining science - and there is no potential to arm ....... to unfold bridges, railway stations, power stations, ports - and here you have problems of the nature of "eat" and then, as Jews on a regular basis, "mow" discretely everything that raises the head. Will there be losses even under such a regime "reach Kiev" ????? Of course there will be - war is war.

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: 30143

Now they’ll ban me!
My question is - are you pops?
Do not understand where you are slipping?

oh well what are you right word ... it's a sofa war

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Fahrer

In fact, the mood for LDNR in Ukraine has already changed for a long time, except for the Natsiks and the authorities, these are simply obliged, no one needs them in Ukraine. No one wants to feed Donetsk pensioners, no one wants to enter and Ukrainian universities from LDNR, no one wants the restoration of Donbass. Nobody needs a war in the east, except for making money on it. Therefore, no one will take LDNR to Ukraine, there will be a frozen conflict with eternal sanctions against Russia, now your move is the Russians ...

and the move has already been made ..... until Ukraine gives up the Crimea and Donbass, no question of NATO is enough. So, the freezing of the conflict plays into the hands - no huge infusions to "fight" are required and already norms ... And if he refuses - there you look Kharkov or the Dnieper will be overwhelmed ... in general, such a long story

[Karaul20]

Communicate here is unclear what. The Russian authorities are already telling you - Donbass is Ukraine. The special status of Donbass in which constitution? - Ukraine. Is it clear what this is about? Donbass will be shoved back, and Ukraine will be pulled by itself, and Russia will be shoved into battle.

[PValery53]

"The Russian Federation demands from Ukraine to show the text of the changes in the constitution to consolidate the special status of Donbass"
- In connection with the war of Ukraine against Donbass, such "testimony of texts" is not required. ukrovoyaki, get out of the Donbass!

[agoran]

Here, kmk, the message is not to Kiev, but to the guarantors of the Minsk agreements.
Kiev did not fulfill anything out of obligations.
Representatives of the OSCE do not see how the descendants of the ancient Sumerians are hammering in a peaceful place.
And if Donbass does not have a special status, you can ask Merkel and Macron
que ce passe-t-il, which in Russian - what the hell is going on here.
And here, for the government, the Zugzwang will be of great interest.
Recognizes the special status - Natsik will rebel, does not recognize, will have a pale appearance in front of France and Germany.

[Mik1701]

https://www.mk.ru/politics/2020/07/05/v-sovfede-otvetili-na-vopros-o-prisoedinenii-donbassa.html. Как то так.
The party said it was necessary, the Komsomol replied - is there?

[Mik1701]

You can demand anything, but the menia of Donetsk and Lugansk, in principle, is not interesting? Where to integrate them?