Named the number of militants deployed by Turkey from Idlib to Libya

From Libya, reports have come that the total number of militant groups that Turkey had transferred from Syrian Idlib reached 15. More than half of the composition of this group is concentrated on the Sirte-Al-Jufra line. The main goal of the so-called Government of National Accord, which is supported by Ankara, at the moment is to gain control of Sirte. This can subsequently open the way for the PNS and pro-Turkish militants to Benghazi and to the entire eastern part of the country.

The Libyan information resource AMN writes that the Libyan National Army, under the command of Khalifa Haftar, has transferred additional forces and assets to the Sirte region.

In particular, it indicates that ballistic missile launchers were deployed in the city area. It is noted that with the help of missiles, Haftar may try to push the militants and PNS forces from the Sirte-Al-Jufra line if they try to cross it.

By and large, this line is today “red” for the PNS Faiz Saraj. Earlier, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi directly pointed out to the PNS that if their forces cross this line, the Egyptian army will be forced to enter Libyan territory. According to al-Sisi, this will be necessary so that the militants are not able to threaten the Egyptian border.

Against this background, Mohammed Elgeblavi, the official representative of the Foreign Ministry of the Liberal Democratic Party of Libya, actually accused France of supporting the forces of Khalifa Haftar:

The words of the French president that they do not support Haftar’s forces are far from reality. Our government has gathered a lot of evidence that France supports its groups.

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[Lord of the Sith]

The Sultan snarls a weapon. What does he need in Libya?

[demo]

Barmaleev sent for recycling.
Did they have to be put off somewhere?

[mdsr]

Quote: demo

Barmaleev sent for recycling.
Did they have to be put off somewhere?

A little narrow . These barmalei, as you put it, are already war-seasoned fighters who defended the interests of Turkey in Syria, for the lives of which they will not have to answer to their citizens. Today we see how, before our eyes, they are turning into the backbone of the shock forces of the irregular army of the imperialist policy of Turkey. Day after day they are taught to master new equipment and weapons, equip them with more and more modern and sophisticated systems. After reconciliation in Libya and consolidation in the conquered territories, these forces will be transferred to any other area that will look the most promising for the expansion of Turkish possessions.

[demo]

The logic is traceable.
There is only one moment - what about their immortality?
Or, at least with invulnerability?
And also with recoverability!
If everything is normal in all cases, then it's terrible.
And if not, then again in the first class recruits are recruiting?

[igor67]

Modern Janissaries

[Alekseev]

Quote: mdsr

After reconciliation in Libya and consolidation in the conquered territories, these forces will be transferred to any other area

So it is necessary to help Haftar to make sure that there is nothing to transfer. And there are interested parties, the role of Egypt is especially important, and our business is to help accurately, but strongly, without involving troops and PMCs, since the opponents of the pro-Turkish PNS have enough weapons and soldiers.
Those. help intelligence, electronic warfare, possibly sell to interested parties, if they do not, separate high-precision weapons systems, for example, to destroy ships and transports, air bases, etc.

[gorecc]

The "Turkish world" defends, and at the same time wants to settle in with oil, in a word, defends national interests ..

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

The Sultan snarls a weapon. What does he need in Libya?

The answer is obvious - a thirst for strengthening political weight and influence, both in Turkey itself, and in the region and the world (as happened with Mustafa Kemal in Libya during the Italo-Turkish war), and oil, resources ...

[Sergey39]

Now you can begin to clean up Syria from the remaining militants.

[Zaurbek]

For this, a garrison of Turkish troops was introduced in Idlib

[Don]

Up to 1 division. In the immediate vicinity of the border with Syria, an entire army corps is concentrated.

[steelmaker]

It is time for Assad to strike in Syria and return his land.

[VyacheSeymour]

It is time for Assad to strike in Syria and return his land.

And what did Assad put on him stole?
Did you mean this in a narrow sense (Idlib, Homs and Kurdish-controlled territories)? And on a larger scale:-Palestine, Israel, Lebanon, Jordan ...?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In my opinion, Idlib must be simultaneously cleared and the PNS crushed in Libya.

Now for this the best conditions.

[Zaurbek]

For this, the "crush" should be of interest

[babylon]

The best defense is an attack, you need to hit the Turkoman earlier so that they only sparkle with their heels.

[Fungus]

Turkey openly supports terrorists

[gorecc]

PNS the UN-recognized government of Libya, and the Turks are there at their official invitation. And there is no need to glue the labels "terrorists" on everyone who is disagreeable to the political conjuncture of Russia
You do not call hezbola and other groups fighting on the side of Assad terrorists? although these are the same mercenaries from neighboring countries, which are not much different from those that Turkey sends to Libya to fight on the side of Sarraj ..

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gorecc

Pc recognized by the UN government of Libya

Strange situation, don’t you? After all, they are impostors ...

In general, they are "recognized" only as one of the parties to the conflict.

[gorecc]

they become impostors only because Russia made a stake in the Libyan civil war on Haftar? maybe the impostors Haftar and his gang? which, even with such broad support from their foreign sponsors, could not take Tripoli and overthrow the "impostors" in the face of the PNS. And that was even before Turkey's intervention ..
In general, the PNS is recognized by the UN government of Libya, and the Turks are there at the official invitation of these. The rest is from the evil one.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gorecc

they become impostors only because

And here "RF"?
Who chose them?

Quote: Gorecc

maybe the impostors Haftar and his gang?

Given that it is supported by the really elected supreme legislative body of the State of Libya, its legitimacy is clearly higher, do not you find it?
You are trying to convince everyone that the Libyan authorities should choose not the people of Libya, but the UN functionaries, I understand correctly?

[WOLF330]

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[Lopatov]

Supporting the Americans in their quest to bring terrorists to power in Libya was a huge mistake for Russian diplomacy.
As we see in the example of Syria, they are not going to make more such mistakes.

[WOLF330]

What about the French? In fact, they were the first to recognize the legitimacy of the PNS)) Emirates 10th, USA 25th, Egypt 35th, and Greece 44th. Russia recognized the 72nd, well, so would not recognize))

[Lopatov]

Quote: KURT330

What about the French? In fact, they were the first to recognize the legitimacy of the PNS))

And what does the French have to do with the population of Libya?

I'm generally somewhat surprised.
In Libya, everything started for the sake of "establishing democracy." And here you are starting to talk about some kind of "recognition of the legitimacy" of impostors bypassing all democratic procedures.
Neither France, nor Russia, nor the USA, nor the UN with Greece and the Emirates can, in principle, do this.
This is a function exclusively of the people of Libya

[nov_tech.vrn]

from the age of 15 even this frail mandate has expired

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Fungus

Turkey openly supports terrorists

and? USA too. we supported the Kurds too, and the PKK is 100% terrorists. today it has become a common element of foreign policy.

[Mountain shooter]

Fine! Two full-fledged divisions! Wow, the sultan "invested" in the Libyan maelstrom ... does he need Libyan oil? But who will give him ... there are interested parties above the roof. And many of them are NATO members!

[Sanichsan]

Well, the Sultan has his own view of the world. he won’t even consider the captured part of Syria to be his own ... until he’ll understand by the horns.

[Asad]

Who will receive it from? From Russia? What about the Turkish stream? And nuclear power plants and other agreements? What they captured will remain!

[Sanichsan]

Quote: ASAD

Who will receive it from? From Russia?

pff of course not! there are enough Arabs dissatisfied. and we will sell them weapons ... and of course we will sell the Turk. what did you think? Russia is now an ordinary cap. country

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: ASAD

Who will receive it from? From Russia?

Why from Russia? Russia is not going to fight directly with the Turks there, but is providing support to the SAA, which works on the ground. During the extreme offensive, the SAA squeezed out almost half of the Idlib province and, bypassing the Turks, left a dozen Turkish observation posts in the rear. If an agreement had not been reached between the GDP and Edik, the offensive would have continued according to the same scheme and Ankara, due to the fact that it is not lawful in Syria, it is unlikely that it would launch a full-fledged military operation to hold the region since this would be unambiguously interpreted as military intervention.

Quote: ASAD

What about the Turkish stream? And nuclear power plants and other agreements? What they captured will remain!

And what about the Turkish stream? Turks don't need gas or money from transit? They are not dill and are good at counting money, especially at a time when the economy has already sagged. An empty pipe without gas does not bring income to the treasury. The NPP is still under construction and is a complex of concrete structures. Well, they will paint their graffiti with the loss of the prospect of getting their own cheap energy and all business then. As for the "other agreements", the questions of tomatoes and tourists clearly showed that the loss of these sources of replenishment of the budget draws unemployment in these sectors and strong discontent of Turkish citizens involved in this business. So they will not fight, they will negotiate.

[Grits]

Quote: SanichSan

he won’t even consider the captured part of Syria to be his own ... until he’ll understand by the horns.

This part of Syria can already be considered Turkish to everyone. Because he will not return it back. And no one will give him horns. Davalka did not grow up with anyone. And those who grew up didn’t get their eggs strong.

[Sanichsan]

Do you think that Erdagan's tomatoes got stronger? click on tomatoes, tourism, and the same nuclear power plant and pipe, and give. the fact that this is not a primary task does not mean that they will not do it in the future.

[Grits]

Quote: SanichSan

Do you think that Erdagan's tomatoes got stronger?

Erdogan, unlike everyone else, got stronger eggs.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Gritsa

Erdogan, unlike everyone else, got stronger eggs.

right? What did he merge in Idlib? eggs may have grown stronger, and still Russia holds tomatoes tightly in a fist

[Grits]

Quote: SanichSan

right? What did he merge in Idlib?

Accurately merged? Maybe on the border of Syria and Turkey in Idlib are Syrian border guards and customs officers? Or in the military towns are the Syrian military, not Turkish? Or at the checkpoints, the Syrian police, and not Turkish patrols? And what flags are there on the buildings - Syrian or with a crescent? And settlements in Idlib in what currency are carried out - with Syrian or in Turkish money?
I think there are enough questions. When you answer them honestly, you yourself will come to the conclusion that the fortress of Erdogan's eggs allowed Turkey to grow a significant territory of the neighboring state.

[Sanichsan]

of course I will answer
he still couldn’t return the lost territories, he stopped the fire on the orders of Moscow, and took his barmels to Libya. enough?
here are the soft sultan tomatoes
and long ago these territories grew into Syria, well, apart from your fantasies? no one recognized them as Turkish, and even (!!!) the Sultan does not risk calling these territories Turkish.
so that

[VyacheSeymour]

It is noted that with the help of missiles, Haftar may try to push the militants and PNS forces from the Sirte-Al-Jufra line if they try to cross it.

Until today, the Scuds have not yet thrown anyone, nor where, nor when, nor anywhere ... With their spread of 1 km - as they say, money wasted.

The Libyan information resource AMN writes that the Libyan National Army, under the command of Khalifa Haftar, has transferred additional forces and assets to the Sirte region.

But this is interesting: - wasn’t this the point of stopping Saraj at Sirte (under the supervision of Turkish advisers)? ...
Having waited for exposure in other areas, should they strike the main blow on them? ... And let Faraj and Egypt console themselves with the thought that everything stopped only thanks to their "Last Chinese warning"?

[Grits]

Quote: VyacheSeymour

But this is interesting: - wasn’t this the point of stopping Saraj at Sirte (under the supervision of Turkish advisers)? ...
Having waited for exposure in other areas, should they strike the main blow on them? ... And let Faraj and Egypt console themselves with the thought that everything stopped only thanks to their "Last Chinese warning"?

The same maneuver could have been carried out by Haftar - to wait until the Turks with the barmaley gathered in a handful and "in one fell swoop - seven beats!" But, the field marshal will not do this for several reasons.
1. He does not have the right amount of long-range artillery. Namely, it is in this regard the most effective. Scuds will not help here.
2. He does not have enough aviation and aviators that could thin out enemy positions.
3. He has no intelligence. No space, no aviation, no UAV, no ground. such reconnaissance that data on all positions would be available at once. Well, unlike the Turks, he has no "tractors" of his own.
4. The field marshal has no brains. As a matter of fact, there is not a single war or major battle won by him.

[VyacheSeymour]

So am I about the same ...
At the age in which Haftar is located, all people (and even more so in the east) love constancy, praise, and foolishness ... They surround themselves with the same comrades-in-arms and sneaks. Soon, after another great and ingenious redeployment to pre-prepared positions, he will be declared Generalisimus and the savior of the Arab world.
Well, seriously ... - then knowing the realities of Libya - he is doomed.
Under the control of Saraj, two-thirds of the population, the main material and technical, and most importantly human resources ...
Yes, he controls most of the territory and deposits ... But, the educated residents of Tripolitania and guest workers who had long left these troubled places were engaged in the development of all this ... - it can be imagined as if some elderly mankurt depressed for The Urals would try to extend its power to the European part of Russia ... In a word, time plays against it. .. Yes, and local tribes (whose, in their opinion, he allegedly wants to distribute oil revenues to Libyans) are unlikely to be tolerated by Gaddafi's henchman.

[VyacheSeymour]

1. He does not have the right amount of long-range artillery. Namely, it is in this regard the most effective. Scuds will not help here.
2. He does not have enough aviation and aviators that could thin out enemy positions.
3. He has no intelligence. No space, no aviation, no UAV, no ground. such reconnaissance that data on all positions would be available at once. Well, unlike the Turks, he has no "tractors" of his own.
4. The field marshal has no brains. As a matter of fact, there is not a single war or major battle won by him.

I would like to add to your 4 points:
1. There is no infrastructure for the rapid deployment of troops.
2. There is no intelligible intelligence (in order to know when and where to transfer)
3. He certainly has artillery ... But the Turks destroyed air defense systems (capable of standing up for themselves) in the depths of defense, what will happen to artillery in the desert? So the Skuds are pulled to place them outside the flight area of ​​the Bayraktarov.
4. There are no human resources, and this is important ... And behind their backs are very, very not loyal tribes.

[Samara_63]

Like it or not, Turkish advisers have shown themselves more professionally than ours ... It’s necessary to remove someone in the MO and GRU

[Grits]

Quote: Samara_63

Like it or not, Turkish advisers have shown themselves more professionally than ours ... It’s necessary to remove someone in the MO and GRU

This is Syria showed. That our MO there is overweight and does not catch mice.

[VyacheSeymour]

Quote: Samara_63

Like it or not, Turkish advisers have shown themselves more professionally than ours ... It’s necessary to remove someone in the MO and GRU

Is there any Russian advisers in Libya? Or is Libya a strategic interest for Russia?
Economic yes, but strategic?
By betting on someone, you can lose everything that was invested under Gaddafi ... By maintaining neutrality, you can save almost everything - any new government will sooner or later announce the succession of economic treaties and agreements.

[Samara_63]

I suppose if Egypt turns up, then the Turks will introduce large special forces and the Air Force

[WOLF330]

Quote: Spade

Given that it is supported by the really elected supreme legislative body of the State of Libya, its legitimacy is clearly higher, do not you find it?

Well, you clearly contradict yourself))

[VIP]

Hello spring company. I want to join you.
The paddlers laid on Saraj. What is Saraj without Turkey? In my opinion, Haftar would have done it for a long time, but Turkey interferes and thoroughly

[Oquzyurd]

Before the arrival of the Turks, Havtar, despite support from sponsors, stood at the gates of Tripoli for a year and could not take the city. So he is such a loser, always losing.

[VIP]

"The Egyptian army will be forced to enter Libyan territory," and it will be interesting: the Turks will openly introduce troops will the Egyptian-Turkish war begin? Infa flashed that the Chinese support the field marshal, the frogs, and this is a rather serious company.
I think that neither Russia nor America in FIG needs a war between Turkey and Egypt

[Grits]

Quote: V I P

I think that neither Russia nor America in FIG needs a war between Turkey and Egypt

And cho ... let them hang out. We will throw them weapons. We have money, experience in using ...
Honestly, neither of those are not sorry. Turks are eternal enemies. Yes, maybe in Syria it will be easier if they engage in a war with Egypt. And Egypt is not sorry for their betrayal in Soviet times.

[WOLF330]

Quote: Spade

This is a function exclusively of the people of Libya

I agree, then let's not say who is legitimate there, and who is a bunch of bandits.
In any case, on the side of the NTC there is recognition of the world community.
You can sympathize with Haftaru, but you should not stick in for him.
Russia, France, the United Arab Emirates, SA, Egypt supported Haftar when he besieged Tripoli.
Turkey intervened much later. Here you have to look for a buried dog.

[WOLF330]

Quote: V I P

Turks will openly deploy troops

The Turks already introduced a certain number of troops last night.