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Taxes in Russia: not to zero, but to increase

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Five million process



When President Vladimir Putin announced a progressive taxation scale, many immediately called the changes too modest. Confused as the rate itself at 15 percent (only two percentage points more than everyone), and the amount of income from which this rate will work. The latter is especially important for critics, since it turns out that the proposed measure will affect no more than 3-4 percent of workers.

The mere fact of the introduction of a 15% personal income tax rate for citizens with annual incomes of over 5 million rubles can be seen as a kind of signal to business. Get out of the shadows: nothing really threatens anyone.

What can the legalization of the income of management and highly qualified personnel come right after the notorious “top” for whom a salary of 10 million a year is the norm? In fact, with proper tax administration and the final abandonment of offshore practice, a lot.

However, the latter is hard to believe in, especially since the business empires of the oligarchs and those close to them are literally plastered with hundreds and thousands of offshore firms and firms, many of which are also classic one-day ones. Attempts to eradicate the practice of rewards through such structures have been made in Russia more than once, but they have somehow failed.

However, soft incentive measures, such as financial or tax amnesty, almost did not work. Specialists have already lost count of how many there were in Russia. In recent years, one amnesty usually flowed smoothly into the next, but this did not contribute much to the inflow of capital to Russia.

On the other hand, when foreign sanctions directly touched the Russian financial sector, many were in a hurry to translate everything that was “acquired by back-breaking labor” closer to home. However, the alarm turned out to be false in the end, the shadow and gray economy even adapted to sanctions much faster than the real and quite legal economy.

The process of capital outflow from Russia stopped only for a while, although today, because of the regime of self-isolation, something like a pause also happened. One must think that the “zeroing” of the tourist flow abroad, almost complete, with the exception of yourself you know who, also slightly corrects the indicators of capital flows “to Russia - from Russia”.

Test ball


The fact that the authorities decided to make a cut-off of 5 million rubles for the so-called CFCs (companies with foreign capital) is not criticized or commented on. Most likely, because this is a mystery that has yet to be guessed in practice.

Taxes in Russia: not to zero, but to increase

But the good thing is that for many, at least dealing with taxes has become much easier. After all, if until now the owners of the CFC to pay a 20 percent tax had to somehow calculate retained earnings, then now, as they say, pay and sleep peacefully.

For hundreds of companies a “fixed fee” is introduced, and not the biggest one, for the very fact of ownership of a foreign company by Russian residents. How everything will come to life, most likely, will depend on the initiative and decency, or rather, the degree of corruption of local tax authorities.

At the same time, criticizing the authorities for a new rate for the rich at 15 percent - this, it turns out, is easiest, the difference is really minimal. However, the annual salary of 5 million rubles a year, of course, annoys the lion's share of the population. Nevertheless, if you risk introducing a truly progressive taxation scale, for example, with steps of 20, 25, and 35 percent, we are almost guaranteed to get the opposite result.

That is, the zeroing of revenues from the treasury from the rich, but not so much, salaries and bonuses in envelopes, hidden dividends and the mass withdrawal of business abroad. However, something like a “trial ball” has been launched. And it must inevitably be followed by other initiatives regarding progressive taxation of income.

Specialists from the Ministry of Finance have already calculated approximately 60 billion additional revenue to the budget thanks to a new increased rate. This is about 0,25 percent of all budget revenues planned before the pandemic and quarantine.

It would seem that quite a bit, but in the current difficult time, not only every percent, every billion rubles is on the account. Recall that for a very decent increase in child benefits, it took a little more than a billion. It is clear that the extra two percent of thousands of “five million people” are able to untie the hands of the executive branch precisely to solve the most pressing social problems.

Critics will surely say that two percentage points will not remove the tension in society associated with inequality and unfair taxation. Perhaps this is true, but it is necessary to start somewhere. Now, if there is no continuation, another thing.

Transparent and unambiguous


If the executive branch continues to do what the current prime minister in the tax sphere has been doing for many years, that is, he has pursued a course towards transparency and unambiguity of the system itself, we can expect a result. However, for many years Russia has had a positive situation with taxes and duties: the budget has been balanced for many years just to the envy of enemies. But how much citizens have been getting over and over now is a completely different question.


At the moment, the given trend is very important, especially since the same “control” amount of 5 million rubles appears in another tax innovation. The president proposed introducing a flat tax rate for foreign companies controlled by Russian business, starting from just that amount. In fact, we are talking about the transfer to a fixed tax rate of all small and medium-sized businesses with foreign participation.

It is not yet clear why such a measure affected only foreigners, but one should not think that the Russian authorities decided to simply search where it is lighter. Undoubtedly, the reporting of companies registered abroad is usually more transparent, but in the end, most likely, we should expect that the practice of fixed taxation will be extended to Russian companies. For foreigners, it seems, they just simply break in the appropriate technology.

It is possible that the pandemic factor also worked, with which various kinds of tax breaks are connected up to the holidays, and why the authorities are in no hurry with fixed rates. There is a feeling that the parallel implementation of measures with the notorious five million is a kind of recognition by the authorities of the fact that the rejection of offshore companies did not take place. However, how could it be otherwise if the “chosen ones” are sitting almost exclusively in offshore?

But offshore is not all. In fact, it is recognized that it did not work either with an amnesty or with a turn of capital into the country. Although why do Russia need “extra” capital, even if it’s difficult to find a specialist in the federal departments who really believes that they will not be plundered and cut?
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  1. Far B
    Far B 1 July 2020 05: 13 New
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    Putin-style populism, nothing but. Five lyamas a year - is it somehow geogrophically balanced? Yes, and raise by two percent is, of course, tin. I even somehow feared for Deripaska. But what kind of cover - so that children do not collect for treatment with sms. Ugh. .
    1. And why do you need
      And why do you need 1 July 2020 05: 43 New
      17
      And it’s possible, according to the classics, Dead souls, or scatter on the son, brother of the matchmaker. And already less than the bar of 5.000.000.
    2. Civil
      Civil 1 July 2020 07: 25 New
      13
      "The government is native, on another planet ...
      1. Those who earn more than 5 lyamas per year earn units in the regions, they are known in person. That is, the increase in personal income tax will affect only Moscow, St. Petersburg and about 50 people in Russia. And yes, personal income tax goes to the local budget) and does not concern Russia accordingly.
      2. The rest, as they paid 13% of personal income tax + 32% of payroll, will be so, well, all VAT, all excise taxes.

      A sucker is not a mammoth - a sucker will not die out.
      1. svan26
        svan26 1 July 2020 11: 39 New
        +2
        With a salary of not 32%, but 30% until April 1, 2020. In April, the tax rate on the Labor Payment Fund was halved to 15%, from amounts exceeding the minimum wage (12 TR) for small and medium-sized businesses. Putin announced that this is not temporary. I got serious savings ...
      2. your1970
        your1970 1 July 2020 15: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        Those who earn more than 5 lyamas per year earn in the regions units, they are known by sight. That is, the increase in personal income tax will affect only Moscow, St. Petersburg and about 50 people in Russia. And yes, personal income tax goes to the local budget) and Russia does not relate accordingly.

        This is a lie, there are many more such people even in the regions. Cottage villages where houses cost 10-15-20-30 million are around ANY city of a millionaire. And Mercedes / Audi / BMW car dealerships are also in any city. And jewelry.
        In the country, 47 million deposits in banks from a million rubles ....
        So we have a lot of rich ....
        Quote: Civil
        2. The rest, as they paid 13% of personal income tax + 32% of payroll, will be so, well, all VAT, all excise taxes.
        I’m embarrassed to ask, the rich do NOT buy in stores, DO NOT refuel gasoline, DO NOT smoke, DO NOT eat chocolate ??? Then yes, they don’t pay VAT and excise taxes.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 2 July 2020 05: 40 New
          +4
          The rich and people who earn 5 million a year legally, not one and the same)))
          1. your1970
            your1970 2 July 2020 11: 39 New
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            Quote: Clever man
            The rich and people who earn 5 million a year legally, not one and the same)))

            And how do they differ when buying goods? Or legal they sell gas at gas stations illegal(bribe takers and others) no?
            Or illegal - do not eat?
            1. smart ass
              smart ass 2 July 2020 12: 21 New
              +4
              I mean in salaries they have not indicated 5 million and 20 thousand
              1. your1970
                your1970 2 July 2020 16: 31 New
                0
                lol no, in salaries they have - the rich , of course, not 5 lyamas .... Just because their main income from dividends on shares and other things ...
    3. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 1 July 2020 10: 04 New
      17
      As it happened, I heard a story that in Ancient Russia the tax was 2%. But the Tatar-Mongols set the condition to pay 4%. And because of exorbitant taxation, a war broke out with them, ending with the Mongol-Tatar yoke! True or not, I don’t know. Here another thing is surprising. Surely in ancient times they were taxed at 2%, with the king they paid 10% (tithe), today it seems to be 13%, but they are silent about hidden exactions. The employer pays 13% to the mandatory medical insurance and pension fund in addition to the official ones. Is it possible to consider fuel tax, Plato, tax on garbage removal, a contribution to overhaul, a fee included in the price of a car for recycling, a 10% fee for recycling bicycles (from January this year), mandatory car insurance as hidden taxes. It seems there is still a fee for recycling electronics. Can VAT be regarded as tax on each item manufactured? Why is VAT not on the finished product? They wrote that in St. Petersburg they introduced a tax on meltwater and rainwater (such as environmental pollution). It seems that they are going to introduce a fee for the repair of sidewalks, internal driveways and the maintenance of the territory of multi-storey buildings. They tried to introduce a fee for the operation of the electric facilities and water and heat supply pipes. I will not be surprised at the introduction of taxes on the utilization of road pavement and in-house driveways. I will not be surprised at the burial tax. The tax on floods and fires follows logically. Why not? Coronavirus showed that money can be done on everything! On masks, on gloves, on disinfection, on fines! There are tons of options for getting money from citizens! Take loans. Is this a chronic overpayment for everything? The smugglers of the USSR quietly smoke on the sidelines! Take a positioning system. When installing them in a car, no video cameras will be needed! The system itself will provide data on violations! The prototype of this system was well tested in Moscow in the situation with coronavirus! The movement of citizens was monitored by this system! When combining a bank card with a phone, the collection of fines is greatly simplified! Everything can be done on the machine! So think in the light of modern life, what is a tax?
      1. svan26
        svan26 1 July 2020 11: 04 New
        +6
        About Peter.
        In St. Petersburg, waste water for legal entities is considered as 4 costs of water that the company consumed on the meter. Like all the water gets dirty, poured into the sewer and 4 clean costs are taken for its cleaning. And the average amount of rainfall per month is multiplied by the area of ​​the land plot, multiplied by the cost of clean water, multiplied by 4 for rainwater drainage and treatment, and the amount received is exposed to the owner of the plot. If, you never know, the amount turned out to be small, that is, it is possible to take an analysis in the hatch, find the excess of the MPC for some parameter and multiply by K. Once I got a good Mercedes for a plot of 0,6 ha in the industrial zone ...
      2. cradle
        cradle 1 July 2020 12: 31 New
        +3
        This is the bike:
        1) Prince tithing
        2) church tithes
        3) give the community ...
        And the production was at such a level that it was stressful to give it back ... Do not compare
      3. CBR600
        CBR600 3 July 2020 11: 12 New
        +1
        I could not resist...
        __ Tax for a newborn, tax for childlessness, for being single, widow / widower, disabled person and veteran. There is a hospital tax, but it is hidden. Is healthy? -Pay !!
        This topic is that it is easier to do nothing, not to develop, not to think and not to work, it is easier to tax a country than to develop something called the economy there. This is hard work. Deputies and officials. Private business closes in full.
        __ I remembered more registration fees !!! Generally a separate issue. Yes there, you can ban and minus
    4. Malyuta
      Malyuta 1 July 2020 12: 20 New
      +8
      Quote: Far In
      Putin-style populism, nothing but.

      That’s what Putinism spills into, glory to the Zaputins!
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 13: 18 New
        -4
        Varlamovism is a mixture of elven liberal nonsense and incompetence for the most part. Therefore, to cite this as evidence of the atrocities of Putinism and other deaths of Russia is simply a mockery.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 1 July 2020 13: 25 New
          +7
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Therefore, to cite this as evidence of the atrocities of Putinism and other deaths of Russia is simply a mockery.

          And what does the authorship have to do with it, you watch the video, and not talk about the author. Does the colleague have any questions on the content of the video?
          In my area, the exact same thing is happening!
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 13: 36 New
            -7
            Quote: Malyuta
            And what does the authorship have to do with it, you watch the video, and not talk about the author. Does the colleague have any questions on the content of the video?

            What content specifically? What exactly do you think is right? Put on Putin alone all responsibility for the capitalist system in Russia? If Putin leaves tomorrow and another person comes, do you think everything will change for the better? Don't you think that you overestimate Putin’s influence on the life of Russia?
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 1 July 2020 13: 57 New
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              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Put on Putin alone all responsibility for the capitalist system in Russia? If Putin leaves tomorrow and another person comes, do you think everything will change for the better? Don't you think that you overestimate Putin’s influence on the life of Russia?

              I will try briefly hi In the Russian Federation there is no capitalism, but there is an oligarcho-kleptocratic state, with its face and "castle stone", which is citizen Putin. This citizen himself was created by public relations at the request of the population and put up as a receiver for a fairly short period of time, but on the one hand, the beneficiaries did better than they wanted, and on the other hand, over the course of 20 years, everything was closed to one person. Now, not a single candidate of theirs can replace Putin’s creations, hence the PR slogans “who if not him”, “Putin = country”, “after him, only him”. If even today after dinner he will give oak, then I am afraid that we will be given some kind of double-tee thread.
              They gave the people a “mask” that broadcasts what society’s demands are for, but clearly continues the line of ebnism, hiding behind false patriotism and imaginary great power. Plebs all this while hawala.
              The second and most important thing is that you can’t change the system without removing the “mask-scrap”, so the analogy with 1917 suggests itself, first February and then October! hi
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 14: 04 New
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                Quote: Malyuta
                There is no capitalism in the Russian Federation, but there is an oligarcho-kleptocratic state

                This is all from the category of liberal nonsense. We have quite a capitalism, although of course with some remnants of feudalism and socialism.
                Quote: Malyuta
                The second and most important thing is that you can’t change the system without removing the “mask-scrap”, so the analogy with 1917 suggests itself, first February and then October!

                I'm afraid in the end we will get one February without October. For today, the left is a wild mixture of opportunists, freaks and party-goers. And I do not see any trends in the situation.
                1. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 1 July 2020 14: 17 New
                  +7
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  This is all from the category of liberal nonsense. We have quite a capitalism, although of course with some remnants of feudalism and socialism.

                  laughing I can hardly be attributed to the liberal camp.
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  I'm afraid in the end we will get one February without October. For today, the left is a wild mixture of opportunists, freaks and party-goers. And I do not see any trends in the situation.

                  The fact is that if we don’t see something, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t, because very few people knew Lenin before October 17th.
                  I repeat, first you need to take away the state from the gang, and then transform this state to the needs of the people.
                  Eh. "In all states there is / was a mafia, but only now the mafia has a state." (C)
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 14: 40 New
                    -6
                    Quote: Malyuta
                    I can hardly be attributed to the liberal camp.

                    But I wasn’t talking about you. In general, I mean that this is what our liberals very often say, like our capitalism is wrong, but it will be right here and we will panic.
                    Quote: Malyuta
                    The fact is that if we don’t see something, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t, because very few people knew Lenin before October 17th.

                    It was rather problematic for Lenin to convey his views to people, then there was no Internet. But really, who do you know from the left who could lead the movement, and is there really a strong team of left that could captivate people and then fight the inevitable problems of building socialism? I do not see such. I see bloggers exploiting a red idea. I see the metropolitan fashionable left party. I see artists of actionists like Udaltsov. I see some kind of populist populists in the service of capital like Platoshkin. I see toothless hypocritical bourgeois quasicommunists like Grandpa Sue in a clip with the red capitalist Grudinin. I see all kinds of freaks like Limonovites. But there is no real communist power.
                    1. Malyuta
                      Malyuta 1 July 2020 14: 49 New
                      +6
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      But really, who do you know from the left who could lead the movement, and is there really a strong team of left that could captivate people and then fight the inevitable problems of building socialism?

                      In rgegions, the same Communist Party is completely different from the Moscow elite, for example, Kolya Bondarenko, Sasha Evdokimov, Seryoga Udaltsov, serious guys in Novosib, and also ordinary members of the party, quite literate people. So there is potential.
                      Threat. “Vaughn is the work of the young,” and the sow will go to the dustbin of history. hi
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 18: 02 New
                        -1
                        So what? Well, are they somewhere there and then? Where is the propaganda, where is the organization? Why are they not visible and not heard? This generally raises questions about what can be done in the modern capitalist party of Russia to a real adequate communist. Potential .. You know, this potential is similar to those that will remain potential. What are we talking about? I remember the last election and the meeting of the left in the political cabinet. From what I heard there I wanted to sob with bloody tears. We do not have leftists at least half smart and active like those that were at the beginning of the 20th century.
                      2. Alf
                        Alf 1 July 2020 19: 00 New
                        +5
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Why are they not visible and not heard?

                        Classic-Media Control is the main weapon of the ruling class.
                      3. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 07: 35 New
                        -2
                        Have they been banned on the Internet? Shackled hands and feet, put in jail prevented from communicating with people?
                      4. your1970
                        your1970 2 July 2020 11: 51 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Alf
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Why are they not visible and not heard?

                        Classic-Media Control is the main weapon of the ruling class.

                        Oh yeah!!!! Stalin found money for Iskra (taking into account delivery from abroad) - and their current sites, even, cannot be made readable and interesting ....
                        With such approaches, they will never come to power, in principle, they will not be able to. . .
                        They are not even able to assemble a coalition from the Communist Parties ...
                        Oh, about IDEA generally silent, the oligarch as a candidate from the Communist Party-a symbol of the era ...
                        Yes, they only struck this blow at the Communist Party worse than Kamenev and Zinoviev in 1917 ....
                      5. kotvov
                        kotvov 2 July 2020 17: 56 New
                        0
                        generally silent, the oligarch as a candidate from the Communist Party-a symbol of the era ... ,,
                        I would like to know this mysterious oligarch from the Communist Party? Do not watch television during the elections, it affects brain activity.
                      6. your1970
                        your1970 2 July 2020 18: 07 New
                        -1
                        Quote: kotvov
                        mysterious oligarch from the Communist Party?
                        -owner at that time 98% (now 42%) of shares of CJSC State Farm ...
                        For this do not watch TV - quite just know PSRN... and you will know - that at that time his block of shares accounted for 5,9 billion ... really rubles ... in dollars - he was a millionaire
                        Or do you think if the ruble is no longer a billionaire - but a simple hard worker?
                        All the leaders of the Bolsheviks are spinning in coffins - the official billionaire is a candidate from the Communists. If he even transferred the shares of the party - well, where it didn’t go, the new Savva Morozov, etc .... yeah, schaz ...

                        And read (on the Communist Party website!) Their program and his speeches, they are strictly opposite in all more or less important positions
                      7. kotvov
                        kotvov 3 July 2020 10: 48 New
                        +1
                        You mean the word oligarch, you know? I understand that the cycle said (and how not to believe such a righteous body, and even the little girly mouth was broken). Do you even know how people live with this oligarch, what he built there, how they take care of old children there? In a pseudo-capitalist society, man was able to provide people, as in a socialist one.
                      8. your1970
                        your1970 3 July 2020 11: 38 New
                        0
                        I don’t watch TV, especially the CEC’s speech ...
                        It is enough for me that at any moment he could sell his shares to ANYONE, even to Obama - for a closed joint-stock company, nobody needs any consent ... Yes, even to me - if I had 10 extra lard ...
                        Moreover, you are apparently from the city, and I am a rural man. And on such sternum in the 90s, I’ve seen enough from head to toe. The scheme is known for 30 years- SPH- JSC- CJSC. At the time of the transition, shares are bought up by peasants, then stocks ...
                        And voila, he is the owner of 98% of the shares in a team of 49 people (because CJSC) ....
                        And the pseudo-socialism that he built exists exactly up to the moment when it is beneficial for him. You can pay workers less - poking a hand in the kindergarten ...
                        The kindergarten incidentally increases the book value of the company, that is, the value of its share ....

                        G. Ford set the workers such a salary so that they could buy his car. Did Ford from this become a socialist?
                        Japanese companies provided their workers with housing in the 80s - did they become socialist and?

                        Repeat
                        Quote: your1970
                        If he though transferred the shares of the party - well, wherever he went, the new Savva Morozov, etc .......

                        Exactly until the transfer of shares - for me that he, that Abramovich is the same, the only difference is in the volume of property on their shares
                      9. kotvov
                        kotvov 5 July 2020 11: 01 New
                        +1
                        Suppose you gave these shares to your hands, what will happen? In a year, a maximum of two, another person will appear controlling the state farm. And yet, there will be no kindergartens, NO SCHOOLS, no care for the elderly. Grudinin understood this, and therefore controlled them. What other state farms are collective farms?
                      10. your1970
                        your1970 5 July 2020 14: 29 New
                        0
                        Quote: kotvov
                        In a year, a maximum of two, another person will appear controlling the state farm. And yet, there will be no kindergartens, NO SCHOOLS, no care for the elderly.
                        I gave you examples of Ford and the Japanese for a reason; this is an example of caring for the workers — they have nothing to do with socialism. He also has nothing to do with the Communist Parties.
                        He just takes care of his pocket - through taking care of people
                        He would be a candidate from any other there would be no party questions to him ..

                        We have such a farmer, he also supports hard workers. It’s simply because there is no one to work, and if these, too, go away on duty to his kirdyk. Urban people want a lot and don’t need grain in kind, in kind, pay them daily and don’t sin. ..
                        So he rushes ... only to socialism it has nothing to do .....
                      11. kotvov
                        kotvov 6 July 2020 12: 01 New
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                        Will you give me examples where in a capitalist (although in Russia you don’t understand what kind of system) country you can work by socialist methods?
                      12. your1970
                        your1970 6 July 2020 12: 17 New
                        0
                        1)
                        Quote: your1970
                        He gave you examples of Ford and the Japanese for a reason; this is an example of caring for workers — they have nothing to do with socialism.
                        - already gave you examples similar to him
                        2) what is the socialism of his methods? What pays a salary on time? Do children go to kindergarten? What else?
                        You don’t understand one thing. In the USSR, the director of a state farm could not take and sell a kindergarten, for example, in principle, he could not ...
                        And he could, without the consent of the shareholders, as the owner of the entire block of shares. The remaining shareholders cannot even block such a decision ....

                        That is why he is not even related to the socialist trend. about communist even no conversation.
                        He is a capitalist, competently managing his economy, no more ....
                      13. kotvov
                        kotvov 7 July 2020 11: 28 New
                        0
                        An interesting interpretation, he could not, but he could. Did he sell it? I repeat (if you did not immediately understand) -call the socialist economic management under capitalism?
                      14. your1970
                        your1970 7 July 2020 18: 40 New
                        0
                        Quote: kotvov
                        An interesting interpretation, he could not, but he could. Did he sell it?
                        - wonderful !! Then Potanin ALSO not an oligarch - he could sell Norilsk Nickel, but he doesn’t sell !!! Moreover, he himself cannot sell it (unlike the director of ZAO Sovkhoz .. ") - he will not have enough authority ....

                        Quote: kotvov
                        I repeat (if you did not understand right away) -call the socialist economic management under capitalism?
                        - What am I talking about? NOT maintains his personal property by any socialist methods ... And by and large it’s not even a matter of methods - it is a matter of ownership of the means of production. This is a base against which you can’t argue ...

                        If you want to consider him a socialist - your right, I wouldn’t sit next to him on one hectare ...
                        and in my opinion - nominating him as a candidate from the communists was a disgrace from disgrace, which pushed a lot of rural residents from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation ...
                        They disgraced themselves - having failed to nominate a normal candidate ...

                        Z. In 1917 he would have been slapped on the spot without trial and investigation as a counter ....
                      15. kotvov
                        kotvov 9 July 2020 10: 23 New
                        0
                        You can’t see how you will not depart from the revolutionary frenzy. Man was able to save the state farm (people are not offended there). At 17, maybe you would be slapped, time changes circumstances. If you do not understand this, then this is your misfortune.
                      16. your1970
                        your1970 10 July 2020 08: 21 New
                        -1
                        Quote: kotvov
                        Man was able to save the state farm

                        Man saved not state farm - its own, private, property..
                        The state farm there ended at the time of reformatting from OAO to ZAO. Before that, collective farmers were shareholders and co-owners there. After that - they are nobody there in principle ...
                        If you still do not understand - that there is no state farm there, in principle, but there is an owner of all the property ... belay

                        Quote: kotvov
                        people there are not offended
                        - a good gentleman, repeatedly described in the literature, even there ...
                      17. kotvov
                        kotvov 15 July 2020 10: 41 New
                        0
                        - a good gentleman, repeatedly described in the literature, even there ... ,,
                        And there are a lot of such kind gentlemen in Russia?
                    2. your1970
                      your1970 10 July 2020 08: 21 New
                      0
                      Quote: kotvov
                      Man was able to save the state farm

                      Man saved not state farm - its own, private, property..
                      The state farm there ended at the time of reformatting from OAO to ZAO. Before that, collective farmers were shareholders and co-owners there. After that - they are nobody there in principle ...
                      If you still do not understand - that there is no state farm there, in principle, but there is an owner of all the property ... belay

                      Quote: kotvov
                      people there are not offended
                      - a good gentleman, repeatedly described in the literature, even there ...
  • DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 8 July 2020 00: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Malyuta
    that they will give us some double-tee thread.

    Rather tee. An extension nullifier is already available.
  • DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 8 July 2020 00: 00 New
    0
    The main task of "our" government and not ours at the same time, is not to make money as much as possible on citizens, no. They have enough money.
    The task is to get maximum power over people, over their souls, their children.
    How can I do that ? Yes, very simple.
    It is necessary to drive law-abiding citizens into debt pits. Giving loans to everyone indiscriminately and without return, turning utility bills righteously and unrightly, setting everyone on taxes and fines ...
    The task is NOT TO MAKE MONEY, the task is to drive the people into debtors.
    Well, then ... do what you want with the debtors, scare, demand, run over the bailiffs.
    A person should consider himself and his family guilty and flawed so as not to jerk and not to be laden with "dope".
  • your1970
    your1970 1 July 2020 15: 18 New
    -2
    Actually, the villages began to bend back in the 50s ..... In 1990, we died in the region of 12 villages .... is Putin also?
  • builder
    builder 2 July 2020 09: 21 New
    -2
    Some villages die because modern agriculture does not require as many workers as before. Thanks to mechanization and stuff.
    1. svp67
      svp67 10 July 2020 14: 22 New
      0
      Quote: builder
      Some villages die because modern agriculture does not require as many workers as before. Thanks to mechanization and stuff.

      Of course of course....
      So, in 1990 in the RSFSR, there were about 57 million heads of which 20,6 million were cows.
      In Russia, the sample of 2000 is already less than 28 million, of which 12,7 million are cows.
      In 2010, the total number of cattle was 20 million heads, cows - 8,8 million.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 2 July 2020 05: 38 New
    +3
    Believe me, the guys who get 5 million a year will find 101 well a loophole so as not to pay tax more
    1. Alf
      Alf 2 July 2020 18: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Clever man
      Believe me, the guys who get 5 million a year will find 101 well a loophole so as not to pay tax more

      And to cover these loopholes what prevents?
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 2 July 2020 22: 46 New
        0
        I don’t give a damn about it, well done
  • bandabas
    bandabas 1 July 2020 05: 26 New
    24
    Just a spit in the face of the majority of citizens who did not dream of these 5 million.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 1 July 2020 06: 02 New
      14
      Quote: bandabas
      Just a spit in the face of the majority of citizens who did not dream of these 5 million.

      So even before the revolution you can spit!
      1. edmed
        edmed 1 July 2020 07: 26 New
        17
        Quote: Egoza
        So even before the revolution you can spit!

        For a revolution to take place, we need strength, a party, a movement, and so a revolt - “merciless and senseless”, savagely croaked in the face with pension reform, amendments, nothing, churned and ... and wiped themselves and swallowed. All the so-called the opposition remembers the swamp, that the left is that of the right, the bubble is a bog, and the circles are in the water.
        1. bandabas
          bandabas 2 July 2020 21: 23 New
          +1
          So let's add up. hi Although, honestly I would not want to.
      2. depressant
        depressant 1 July 2020 07: 48 New
        20
        What is more terrible for our bloodsuckers: the close attention of Western tax officials to their legality, bloodsuckers, excessively acquired capital, or quite absent-minded - ours, with their miserable threat of two extra percent? The press enthusiastically sounded: the West of these pork chains, these parasites, entwined and strangling our economy, will surely squeeze - watch how during the crown they self-insulated from the West to Russia, how they ran home! This is where we ourselves will squeeze them! By joint, so to speak, efforts. If...
        Not then, they repeatedly returned to us, to Russia, while we sat in self-isolation. The state-owned Aeroflot, chartered at the root by "foreign" citizens, selling tickets to them and only at high prices to them and only to them, in thousands of tons, transported the good of "foreigners" to their permanent foreign habitats from the storehouses. They flew away! Do not forget to bring cash gifts from Mishustin - do you remember the famous list of "1151" from system-forming trinkets? Put 2% in the budget with one hand, and take out as much as you like with the other. They will not put it and will continue to take it out. And take out. And what would be that, the Central Bank of 1,5 trillion rubles is printing up. And to us - about a miserable 2% in the amount of 50 billion rubles.
        1. your1970
          your1970 2 July 2020 11: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: depressant
          Do not forget to bring cash gifts from Mishustin - do you remember the famous list of "1151" from system-forming trinkets?

          Many of the list have already refused to help, because it was problematic to steal ...
        2. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 8 July 2020 00: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: depressant
          What is worse for our bloodsuckers

          After the expansion reform within the country, they have lost the fear of God ....
          Doctrines on crowned affairs made them understand that you can continue to do whatever they want.
          To bend “our” line towards the destruction of their own, disgusting people of Russia, with impunity and according to plan.
      3. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 1 July 2020 10: 27 New
        10
        Oddly enough, for 30 years of protests, something has not been observed! More and more approvals in 146%! Well, at least 77%! Even in VO there are many supporters of this situation! And they even teach those who do not fit into the market how to live! Well, really! During these three decades there have been many protests against the decision of the authorities? What did the Russians go against? Silence is a sign of consent !? Take Ukraine. LDNR generally raised an armed struggle against the new government of Ukraine! Nobody fought in Crimea. But there no one was hurt and did not lose his life from the leadership of the Crimea! Why, then, were the leaders of the resistance movement of LNR eliminated? Isn't riot planned? Here are two revolutions of one country (Ukraine). The fate of the leaders of the revolution is completely different! Why? In Crimea, an agreement, but in LDNR initiative? Is the initiative punishable by life? We take Russia. Khodorkovsky pressed from fear for power? Well, what is the fate of Khodorkovsky different from the fate of other fat cats? But they allowed Prokhorov !? With Prokhorov, it was immediately clear that it would not work. And with Khodorkovsky they were simply afraid of his arrogance! Well, what is the difference between Sechin, Miller, Chubais from Khodorkovsky or Rotenberg? Khodorkovsky was a liberal and therefore slammed him !? And who is Grudinin? Why didn’t slam Ksenia Sobchak? Ksyusha is very poor? She had like 400 million! Why was Platoshkin arrested? Is he liberal too?
        1. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 8 July 2020 00: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          More and more approvals in 146%! Well, at least 77%!

          After 146%, they bought a new computer at the Central Executive Committee and wrote a new macro for MS EXCEL, which divides all the votes by 2.
          So it turned out from 146% - 77% with rounding in the cell.
      4. cradle
        cradle 1 July 2020 12: 33 New
        +3
        Gadfly gadfly? laughing And five lyamas are really a test ball. If you immediately tighten the nuts, you will tear the thread.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 13: 57 New
          -1
          Quote: besik
          And five lyamas are really a test ball.

          There is no doubt that at the expense of the middle class to throw a bone to people with a modest income to say the least.
          1. cradle
            cradle 2 July 2020 06: 41 New
            +1
            is it over five lyamy middle class? We live well ... and 15% with OVER 5 lyam ... so a groan about the middle class is somehow not appropriate ... from the word vaasche. wassat
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 07: 51 New
              -1
              Quote: besik
              is it over five lyamy middle class?

              Imagine this is a real, not Putin-made middle class.
              Quote: besik
              We live well ... and 15% with OVER 5 lyam ... so a groan about the middle class is somehow not appropriate ... from the word vaasche.

              So what? Do you think big business will suffer more from this increase? Do not make me laugh.
              1. cradle
                cradle 3 July 2020 02: 47 New
                +1
                I have no task of making you laugh. It is clear that for small enterprises and businessmen this tax rate will be more noticeable, but for large businesses these payments (together with payments from salary tops) will be more. But differentiation must be introduced by love. Anyone with a salary of slightly more than the hard workers can be “assigned” as the middle class, but a level above 5 lyam a year is fat for the Russian Federation. You can argue endlessly. So I did not convince.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 3 July 2020 09: 54 New
                  0
                  Quote: besik
                  but for large businesses, these payments (along with payments from salary tops) will be more.

                  In absolute terms, if we compare one representative of large capital and one representative of medium small. Well, this is not about comparing units, but about comparing groups. By the way, when Putin introduced this percentage and nobly decided to send it to treat children, for some reason he modestly forgot to mention the bad money due to benefits for deductions to medicine for those whose incomes exceed a certain amount. And this money could be directed to their treatment. Although yes, I completely forgot we were then under external control. And now free as never before. By the way, Putin plans to do something with agents of the State Department who literally didn’t let a step go to the patriots yesterday in the vastness of our Motherland? Or again something vaguely slurred about this and State Department agents will feel quite comfortable sitting in state and not only corporations eating budget money and spilling mud on the country and people?
      5. smart ass
        smart ass 2 July 2020 22: 49 New
        +2
        What are you talking about? What revolution ???? You went to the theater of the absurd and voted! On the 1st of the day you voted, and on the second you raised the housing and communal services by 4%, as you were terpils, you remained! Claw your level in the kitchen
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 1 July 2020 10: 38 New
      +8
      Quote: bandabas
      Just a spit in the face of the majority of citizens who did not dream of these 5 million.

      as well as a spit with puns: not a decrease, but a negative growth, not an explosion, but a clap, not a drop, but a hard landing, etc. I will not list everything.

      And today Yandex open and the news "Tariffs for housing services index in Russia, from July 1, they "DO NOT INCREASE, but INDEX!
      1. depressant
        depressant 1 July 2020 12: 19 New
        +7
        Yeah. Especially against the backdrop of Putin’s oligarch initiative. Persuaded, persuaded them to invest in Russia, but not persuaded. Tired, waved his hand at this matter, and became their pocket, on the principle of “What are you willing? Everything for you, nothing for cattle.” With great surprise, economists and political scientists are discussing the president’s current initiative.
        There is such a thing - KIK, or a controlled foreign company. Consider the most primitive example.
        Someone, a Russian citizen, established a company that exploits the country's bowels and the labor of Russian workers, transferred this company to an offshore company, registered it as a front man and now manages the company by proxy on that person, formally no longer being its owner. And the company is now foreign. But since it is controlled by a Russian citizen who receives a salary for her labor, she is a CFC. The citizen is the controller, but in fact the beneficiary, that is, the true owner of the company and its offshore accounts, to which he earns considerable profit from Russia, living in the territory of the Russian Federation (you must control the activity!), He pays only personal income tax on the salary received. But there is also a tax on the activities of the company itself, and profit in the offshore comes only after it is paid. For some unknown reason, this tax is calculated painfully and difficultly, computers burned and burn from tension. And then it dawned on Putin. Entering the plight of digital technology and at the same time knowing exactly who the beneficiaries are, he uttered something like: “Okay guys, no taxes, 5 million rubles from the nose, take the rest to your damn offshore, and we are doing it.” That is, take out hundreds of billions, or even trillions of rubles, for health. Which add up to tens of billions of dollars. That’s such a good man, our president. The economic community is in prostration. Indeed, in addition to the president’s initiative for the first quarter of the coronavirus, more than $ 20 billion has already been withdrawn.
      2. cradle
        cradle 1 July 2020 12: 34 New
        -4
        What confuses the word indexing? At our enterprise s / n also indexed .... complaints for some reason are not observed
        1. evgenii67
          evgenii67 1 July 2020 13: 12 New
          +6
          Compare. It is embarrassing that the word indexation in many people causes positive emotions, for example: indexation of pensions, sn. But the word increase is not very: increase in VAT, retirement age, housing and communal services tariffs.
          Induction zp, you have become richer, and indexation of housing and communal services tariffs you have become poorer.
          1. cradle
            cradle 2 July 2020 06: 44 New
            -1
            at first I thought not to answer, but in spite of the minusers I’ll answer ... In fairness, how much was raised, so much was taken away. And earning more needs effort, not a ball. Lose you can at least zaminusit- I spat on it. laughing
            1. evgenii67
              evgenii67 2 July 2020 09: 39 New
              +4
              Quote: besik
              at first I thought not to answer, but in spite of the minusers I will answer ...

              It would be better to be silent
              Quote: besik
              In fairness, how much was lifted, so much was taken away.

              I’ll give an example, at a previous job (state employee), for almost 10 years, the salary was only 2 or 3 times indexed, and then rubles were 300-400, for example, specialists of the 1st category (economists, accountants, foremen) received 10 years ago 11 tr , now about 12t.r., leading experts 10 years ago 14,5t.r. Now about 16t.r., though the workers, drivers and tractor workers were well raised from 8t.r. 10 years ago to 12t.r. (as specialists of the 1st category), and inflation is officially annually from 4% and higher. I somehow thought for a long time, since 2011. I don’t remember the exact numbers until 2017 or 18, but plus or minus the ruble. So, if the index were indexed according to inflation, then the leading specialist would receive 2010t.r. in 11/14,5. in 2017/18 he would receive 23 / 24t.r.
              Quote: besik
              And earn more effort, not a ball

              That's why he left there, only it’s a shame for the Power, well, a working person should not, and indeed no one in this country should live in poverty and count pennies until the next sn.
              Quote: besik
              Lose you can at least zaminusit- I spat on it.

              Yes to health.
              1. cradle
                cradle 3 July 2020 02: 52 New
                +1
                well left and congratulations ... so worthless bosses there. So it is necessary to do. The fish is looking for where deeper; people where it is better. It would be better if he were silent; you won’t throw a scarf on each mouth. And “throwing scarves” usually affects liberoids. wassat
                1. evgenii67
                  evgenii67 3 July 2020 11: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: besik
                  well left and congratulations ... so worthless bosses there. So it is necessary to do. The fish is looking for where deeper; people where it is better. It would be better if he were silent; you won’t throw a scarf on each mouth. And “throwing scarves” usually affects liberoids.

                  Yes, the director is a normal guy there, for so many years he has been fighting for raising his salary. And he beat the forehead in the department, and even tried to reach out to the regional administration through his department. Yesterday I talked with a colleague on a former job, and so they were promised to index zp this year. Hell was there, they were told that, and so on fig money allocated for the purchase of new equipment. The only question is, is it easier for people to live on new technology ?! Not. So for reference, in this organization there are 5 branches, in each branch there are a maximum of 3 tractor drivers, 3 drivers and about 10 workers, the head and deputy branch. A total of 15 tractor drivers, 15 drivers and this is the maximum. At the time when I quit this organization there were 30 units. tractor equipment, 13 units fire tankers (AC), more than 20 units. passenger vehicles and more than 20 units. trucks, I won’t tell you the exact numbers, but the total number was 95 units. equipment, this is not counting the semitrailers and trailers (they also hang numbers). And when I quit at that moment a new technique came in: 5 or more UAZ patriot pickups, 1 KAMAZ AC, at least 1 tractor, each of these vehicles cost more than a lama, ATseshka is generally more than 3. And so, every year, tens of millions spend on new machinery and equipment, but there is no money for people on payroll, that's why there is about 40% staff turnover every year, and there is no money on people for pay. And why the heck a maximum of 15 tractor drivers more than 30 units. tractor equipment? Fuck a maximum of 15 drivers over 70 units. motor vehicles?
        2. Alf
          Alf 1 July 2020 19: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: besik
          . Complaints for some reason are not observed

          Complaints are pointed out to the personnel department.
          1. cradle
            cradle 2 July 2020 06: 38 New
            -1
            no, just s / n is satisfactory ... and the casket just opens
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta 1 July 2020 12: 00 New
      +6
      Quote: bandabas
      Just a spit in the face of the majority of citizens who did not dream of these 5 million.

      Now zaputintsy will come and tell you that this is not a spit, but "holy water".
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 1 July 2020 06: 37 New
    16
    15 billion were spent on the “voting” today! And this is only for the organization! And how much for advertising? Our small region alone (less than half a million inhabitants) allocated 216 million for campaigning for zeroing.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 1 July 2020 06: 56 New
    +8
    I’m neither an analyst nor an expert. So I have to grop something from the news. 2% will hit primarily the middle class. This type of business has not yet exploited after the crisis. The most affluent people will not lose anything. They have made a profit for themselves this year. During this time, the number of billionaires, albeit insignificantly, has increased. And the previous income has also risen. And one should not think that from raising a tax, everyone rubbing their hands in happiness. An ordinary person will not gain anything from this.
    1. depressant
      depressant 1 July 2020 08: 33 New
      +9
      But the most interesting thing is that 15% relate only to personal income tax - income tax on individuals, that is, a person should position himself as a citizen of Russia, have a residence permit, and reside permanently. PIT does not concern foreigners! This means that the rich, who have identified themselves as citizens, having sufficient financial resources, will go offshore, create some kind of shell companies there, and they will become owners of enterprises on Russian soil. If it is not already done by some. Thus, 15% will affect only the lower sector of medium-sized enterprises and small businesses, which do not have sufficient funds to crank it up. What will they do? Will go into the shade. Why will they do this? Why do our businessmen willingly pay taxes abroad, but do not want to pay them in Russia? Obviously, the business climate is like that. And it’s not that we don’t like the rich, we don’t like them everywhere.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 1 July 2020 11: 27 New
      +8
      Quote: nikvic46
      I’m neither an analyst nor an expert. So I have to grop something from the news. 2% will hit primarily the middle class.

      The fact is that this tax will be levied only on amounts in excess of 5 million. If earnings are 5 million 217 rubles. 67 cop., Here with these 217 rubles. 67 cop. increased tax and will be collected, and 5 million fall under mossy 13%. So you should not worry that this innovation will hit anyone hard. What is 60 billion rubles (not dollars) per year from all over the country?
      Colonel Zakharchenko - 9 billion, FSB colonel Cherkalin - 12 billion, Senator Arashukov and his dad - 30 billion + 50 kg of jewelry. In total, these four “successful” pretzels gain over 50 billion rubles, which is slightly less than the amount that will be exacted over the year from amounts exceeding earnings of 5 million nationwide.
      PS- if they had decided to form a fund for treating children at the expense of the targeted allocation of billions seized from thieves into it, then in Russia we would have the best clinics in the world, medical equipment and equipment.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 1 July 2020 12: 49 New
        +5
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        PS- if they had decided to form a fund for treating children at the expense of the targeted allocation of billions seized from thieves into it, then in Russia we would have the best clinics in the world, medical equipment and equipment.

        If the oligarchs cease to steal half a budget, then a happy life will come.
    3. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 8 July 2020 00: 18 New
      0
      Quote: nikvic46
      2% will hit primarily in the middle class. This type of business has not yet been exploited after the crisis.

      And should not.
      What was coronabesia made for?
      One of the conditions (only one of ...) is the murder of small and medium-sized businesses, and his completion by the "second wave", "new strain", etc. concern for the health of some citizens.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 1 July 2020 07: 26 New
    17
    ..... Why, did we live so badly? Because there were no amendments. The amendments will come into force. We will gain sovereignty by nibbling the imperialists who robbed the country for 30 years in the absence of de facto independence, and soon it will stop, the introduction of a progressive tax for children is only the first step, everything will develop rapidly , do not have time to look back, as we find ourselves in the bright future ...
    1. depressant
      depressant 1 July 2020 09: 59 New
      +6
      Colleague parusnik, kidding me ...
      The piquant thing is that they announced a tax increase, and they don’t know how to get these extra 2% into the budget. Personal income tax is deducted from the income of individuals, partly to the municipality, partly to the regional center. But this tax does not go directly to the country's budget. So, 2% must be taken in some mysterious way from the region, having been allocated from the total mass of tax revenues. And here it remains only to say haha. Let Mishustin try, and we'll see. Let them try to take them even from the richest - Moscow and the oil-producing republics. The regions are bursting into tears and say that now, they say, self-isolation, private incomes have fallen. And when Mishustin goes to check whether this is the case, the regionals will podsutitsya, private owners will be given the go-ahead for the creation of one-day firms, the accounts of which will be spent on money, which Mishustin intends to take away, and you won’t take any tax on the newly created ones, since there is still no activity means no income. Actually, I don’t know what they’ll do there, but sophisticated corruption will take its own measures. And when, instead of 50 billion rubles, Mishustin will receive a small shish with a skinny layer of margarine (they will nevertheless be unfastened for decency), Putin will silently, without publicizing his actions, pull out 50 billion from the budget, or maybe even more for useful PR, and Mishustin will trumpet, what, they say, they did, and even with excess - we are such good fellows! And here I have a question: did Putin seriously decide that the rich from the upper layer of beggars would seriously care for sick children? Only some people prefer to donate directly to the fund - they are not taxed. Most will go into the shadows. Putin was late. He once included corruption as the basis of the country's life, and in 20 years she not only graduated from school, but also passed all the universities.
    2. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 8 July 2020 00: 20 New
      0
      ..... Why, did we live so badly?

      N.A. Nekrasov. Forgotten village ("At the bermistra Vlasa the grandmother Nenil ...")
      "Forgotten Village
      1
      Burmistra Vlas has a grandmother Nenil
      I asked to fix the hut in the forest.
      He answered: there is no forest, and do not wait - it will not be!
      "Here comes the master - the master will judge us,
      Barin himself will see that the hut is bad
      And he tells me to give it to the forest, ”the old woman thinks.
      2
      Someone next door, greedy extortioner,
      The peasants of the zemlyatse shack
      Delayed, cut off in a rogue manner.
      “Here comes the master: he will be surveyors! -
      Think peasants. - The master will say the word -
      And they will give our country back to us again. ”
      3
      I fell in love with Natasha, a free-range tiller,
      Yes, the German girl reread compassionate,
      Chief Executive Officer. “Wait, Ignasha,
      The master will come! ”Says Natasha.
      Small, large - a little bit of an argument -
      “Here comes the master!” - they repeat in chorus ...
      4
      Nenila is dead; on a strange land
      The neighbor dodger - harvest a hundredfold;
      Former boys go bearded;
      The free breadman fell into the soldiers,
      And Natasha herself doesn’t rave about her wedding ...
      The master is still gone ... the master is not going!
      5
      Finally one day in the middle of the road
      Hearing seemed to the train train:
      On the high coffins the oak stands
      And in the coffin is a gentleman; and behind the coffin - a new one.
      They buried the old, wiped away the new tears,
      He got into his carriage and left for St. Petersburg.


      Looking forward to a change?
  • Tatyana Pershina
    Tatyana Pershina 1 July 2020 07: 37 New
    +9
    The tax system is a tricky business.
    For example. To replenish the treasury, Catherine II was proposed to increase the sugar tax. Having thought and consulted with intelligent people, the empress decided not to increase the sugar tax, but to exempt beekeepers from the tax. The result - beekeepers became more, beekeepers began to buy more sugar, the amount of honey on the market increased, and the gross tax collection on sugar and trade in honey increased the flow of funds to the treasury.
    Therefore, it makes no sense to discuss the right-wrong decision of the government to lower-raise taxes without all the information.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 1 July 2020 07: 46 New
    +7
    And here are businessmen? They pay taxes differently and they certainly won’t even pay a large salary to themselves. Some have simplifications, others have other ways to cut taxes.
    1. Tatyana Pershina
      Tatyana Pershina 1 July 2020 09: 08 New
      +9
      That's right. My salary (as a landlord) reduces the tax base, which reduces income tax, which increases net profit, which increases my dividends (I take them at 9%). And now I will compare where my net income will be greater - at high salary or at low. Without a comparative analysis of all the financial activities of the enterprise, you can’t tell at once.
      But what about, for example, Miller with his sky-high salary (I can’t dare to name wages - he didn’t earn so much judging by the losses and fines that his terribly competent managers allow hanging on the company)? And he is not the owner, and he has only 0, 00095% of the shares. Therefore, he is more concerned about personal profit, rather than company profit.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 1 July 2020 09: 45 New
        +2
        And, for example, Gelendvagen for 10 million rubles, you buy, refund 20% VAT, payments on it will reduce the tax base. And gas service with him on him too.
      2. svan26
        svan26 1 July 2020 10: 55 New
        +1
        Tatyana, excuse me, but what country do you live in ?! We have personal income tax in Russia - at a rate of 13% from January 1, 2015 instead of 9% (Article 224 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation).
        1. svan26
          svan26 1 July 2020 11: 12 New
          +1
          Including dividends ...
        2. Tatyana Pershina
          Tatyana Pershina 1 July 2020 11: 55 New
          +1
          It’s impossible to make a mistake! Pupil.
  • 123456789
    123456789 1 July 2020 09: 05 New
    +5
    I immediately remembered:
    Misha is two percent !!!! For a fraction of all the transaction permits that he has signed.
    https://otvet.mail.ru/question/18860561
  • Esaul
    Esaul 1 July 2020 09: 06 New
    +7
    Author, what are you talking about? Without offshore companies and one-day firms, the current government simply cannot exist, because it will be very difficult to steal.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 1 July 2020 09: 12 New
    +4
    How everything will come to life, most likely, will depend on the initiative and decency, or rather, the degree of corruption of local tax authorities.

    And not only tax specialists, but also local specific princes and counts.
    It would seem that quite a bit, but in the current difficult time, not only every percent, every billion rubles is on the account.

    Judging by how they spend, I would not say ...
    However, for many years Russia has had a positive situation with taxes and duties: the budget has been balanced for many years just to the envy of enemies.

    Enemies are really envious. Far from everywhere, hundreds of billions can be so easily removed from the country every year.
    Although why in Russia in general "extra" capital

    And really, why? Wealth will corrupt us. We didn’t live richly, there’s nothing to get used to ...
  • businessv
    businessv 1 July 2020 09: 37 New
    +4
    But offshore is not all. In fact, it is recognized that it did not work either with an amnesty or with a turn of capital into the country. Although why do Russia need “extra” capital, even if it’s difficult to find a specialist in the federal departments who really believes that they will not be plundered and cut?
    This paragraph could start and finish the article right there! smile Stolen and sawed necessarily! We must begin with this - with responsibility for theft of the state budget! In Germany, this is estimated to be about two times stricter than killing, oddly enough! This is what the current prime minister was supposed to lobby, and not optimize fees!
    However, for many years Russia has had a positive situation with taxes and duties: the budget has been balanced for many years just to the envy of enemies. But how much citizens have been getting over and over now is a completely different question.
    It would be better to discuss the budget filling at the expense of citizens in the form of VAT, excise taxes, Plato and other add-ons, which sometimes manage to withdraw money three times for the same service (road taxes and fees, fuel ...)!
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 1 July 2020 09: 46 New
    +1
    When they write:
    "foreign sanctions directly touched the Russian financial sector, many hurried up with the translation of everything that was" acquired by overwork ", closer to home." Is this populism ???

    I was looking for an example of Putin’s "torment dust swallow ..." -nifig not found.
    They wrote that with "self-isolation" - many oligarchs were washed away over the hill, but the "patriots" are Usmanovs, Abramichi, Deribaski, VTB for some reason boldly sue in London, for example, Nornickel, (an offshore company like ???)
  • veritas
    veritas 1 July 2020 10: 21 New
    +3
    Taxes in Russia: not to zero, but to increase

    It will all end with the poor paying more.
  • Vasily Vasnev
    Vasily Vasnev 1 July 2020 11: 50 New
    -2
    Dear President of the country does not do everything hastily. These figures have long been calculated. And you need to take the first step. Prior to this, attempts were made. Which did not lead to anything. Now this attempt will work. We will live and see for ourselves
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  • KSVK
    KSVK 1 July 2020 13: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: svan26
    With a salary of not 32%, but 30% until April 1, 2020. In April, the tax rate on the Labor Payment Fund was halved to 15%, from amounts exceeding the minimum wage (12 TR) for small and medium-sized businesses. Putin announced that this is not temporary. I got serious savings ...

    Only you forget about such a tax system as UTII. Moreover, it is inevitable. Those. for certain activities MANDATORY. And with it, an interesting situation is obtained. UTII tax is paid once a quarter. And salary taxes are deducted from it. Those. having for example 1 UTII and 60000 salary per month, you pay 10000 UTII per quarter. A decrease in salaries by 30000% (50 rubles) will lead to an increase in UTII. Those. paid 5000 UTII and 30000 salary, 30000 in total, now you will pay 60000 UTII and 45000 salary, i.e. the same 15000 rubles.
    This is such support. request
  • KSVK
    KSVK 1 July 2020 13: 21 New
    +4
    Quote: Vasily Vasnev
    Dear President of the country does not do everything hastily. These figures have long been calculated. And you need to take the first step.


    Hasty? Gee. Twice. 20 years apparently was not enough. At the first step. wassat

    Quote: Vasily Vasnev
    ... now this attempt will work. Let's live and see all this for ourselves


    I’d write a Bible for you. Faith-vesch such .....
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 July 2020 14: 53 New
      -3
      They were waiting for the “mass” to be picked up over these 20 years, including me, and there already taxes can be raised stepwise on the Rich tax on interest on a bank deposit of 15% on withdrawn amounts from the country 15% of personal income tax with 5 or more millions a year as follows the step will be to increase the tax on luxury and expensive real estate - a little on each side and the amounts will be decent.
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 1 July 2020 20: 52 New
    -3
    Did you all expect a tax cut and a pay rise? )))) Enough, take a walk. Now we need to build Russia for posterity. Who if not we will pay for the restoration of Russia?
    Crybaby, find a job and start paying taxes.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 2 July 2020 18: 07 New
      0
      Crybaby, find a job and start paying taxes. ,,
      I am surprised at such ,, advisers ,,. Your job is to give out such advice?
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 2 July 2020 18: 32 New
        -1
        Crybabies, sit at home and demand payments to crybaby. Why work if you can cry.
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 3 July 2020 10: 50 New
          0
          How old are you, neplaksik? Your nullifier, and so drove all the people home.
          1. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh 3 July 2020 11: 33 New
            0
            Quote: kotvov
            How old are you, neplaksik? Your nullifier, and so drove all the people home.
            I am from the USSR. The form is naval, shoulder straps are black, three years.
            Putin around the world drove people home? Isn't he very great?)))
            1. kotvov
              kotvov 5 July 2020 10: 56 New
              0
              I am from the USSR. Navy uniform, shoulder straps black, three years ,,
              Interestingly, maybe you live in the Kremlin, well, or there on the ruble? You do not see what is happening with the country, that the “elite” feed in the Russian Federation, but looks to the west? It can be seen that you served poorly if you do not understand that the country is being sold.
              1. hhhhhhh
                hhhhhhh 5 July 2020 11: 06 New
                0
                Quote: kotvov
                Interestingly, maybe you live in the Kremlin, well, or there on the ruble? You do not see what is happening with the country, that the “elite” feed in the Russian Federation, but looks to the west? It can be seen that you served poorly if you do not understand that the country is being sold.

                So in the late 80s we dreamed of capitalism. The planned economy is shit, socialism is shit and 50-100 million innocent victims.
                5% of the rich are the rest of the rogues. This is capitalism. What they wanted is what they got.
                1. kotvov
                  kotvov 5 July 2020 17: 56 New
                  0
                  Well you brain washed. Do you even know that the population of the USSR is only ROSLO (wartime exception)? I personally did not dream (and the alcoholic did not stutter about capitalism).
                  1. hhhhhhh
                    hhhhhhh 5 July 2020 18: 01 New
                    0
                    About the transition from socialism to the market, the private is better than the state you have not heard?)))))
                    1. kotvov
                      kotvov 6 July 2020 12: 03 New
                      0
                      Yes, I’m my age, to hell with what I heard. Tell me how capitalist Germany defeated the socialist Union?
                      1. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 6 July 2020 12: 31 New
                        0
                        )))))) Go out into the street, in the yard 30 years capitalism. We exchanged socialism of the USSR for this.
                      2. kotvov
                        kotvov 7 July 2020 11: 31 New
                        0
                        I hope unconsciousness is not knocking yet? Tell me when they asked us? Relaxed, YES, but personally, I did not choose this crap.
                      3. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 7 July 2020 11: 36 New
                        0
                        Quote: kotvov
                        Tell me when they asked us?

                        Are you for socialism or capitalism?
                      4. kotvov
                        kotvov 9 July 2020 10: 19 New
                        0
                        But isn't it clear from my answer? Neither I nor my family friends have ever been traitors. I swore an oath at 76.
                      5. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 10 July 2020 14: 03 New
                        0
                        If we are not traitors then why not the USSR?
                      6. kotvov
                        kotvov 15 July 2020 10: 43 New
                        0
                        If you haven’t understood why in life, I’m a little sorry for you. Remember the structure of society is determined by ONE, not the crowd. These units have decided what kind of system will be.
                      7. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 15 July 2020 11: 04 New
                        -1
                        Quote: kotvov
                        Remember the structure of society is determined by ONE, not the crowd

                        You definitely don’t define anything. Sit at home and wait.
                      8. kotvov
                        kotvov 16 July 2020 12: 41 New
                        0
                        Sit at home and wait. ,,
                        Where are you sitting, gopher? Really in the bunker?
                      9. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 16 July 2020 12: 45 New
                        0
                        Quote: kotvov
                        Where are you sitting, gopher? Really in the bunker?

                        I am preparing a shift. I do not complain and do not wait. I act.
                        gopher - are you trying to insult? Your arguments are over. Funny scoops.)))
                      10. kotvov
                        kotvov 17 July 2020 12: 23 New
                        0
                        You can be seen ,, ,, became a democrat. You are not ridiculous, but vile.
                      11. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 17 July 2020 15: 46 New
                        0
                        Quote: kotvov
                        You can be seen ,, ,, became a democrat. You are not ridiculous, but vile.

                        You are in whose ranks? Are you one of the undecided?
                        Bulk like you, too, for all good versus all bad.
                      12. kotvov
                        kotvov 20 July 2020 11: 05 New
                        0
                        I don’t know how old you are, but you look (in conversation) like a baby. Remember and pass on to your neighbors-the bulk of the Kremlin's project, he does what he dictated from there.
                      13. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 20 July 2020 14: 29 New
                        0
                        What will you be from? I would like to know, then I will remember.
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 1 July 2020 21: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: Sahalinets
    15 billion were spent on the “voting” today! And this is only for the organization! And how much for advertising? Our small region alone (less than half a million inhabitants) allocated 216 million for campaigning for zeroing.

    I would not even say at the vote, but at Sots. Poll., True, such a big one.
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 3 July 2020 11: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: Plastmaster
      I would not even say at the vote, but at Sots. Poll., True, such a big one.

      What would not come up with just to get gay marriage.
  • Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 1 July 2020 22: 31 New
    +2
    The idea is completely crazy. The point is not even 2% percent personal income tax obviously does not solve any of the many problems. Fiscal and bureaucratic pressure on the economy in our country continues to roll over. In addition to the taxes themselves (and VAT is a lot!) Continuous control systems such as Plato, EGAIS and other very expensive systems are being introduced and maintained at the expense of the manufacturer. Each also requires additional staff of officials and new budgets for their maintenance.

    In fact, our current economy is not so much engaged in "satisfying the interests of society" as it is continuously relegating to the maintenance of more and more control systems, and of officials who are vigilant to comply with more and more instructions. If someone has not noticed, besides these 2%, we are waiting for the introduction of universal control for literally everything .. For fur coats, for medicines, for milk, for fabrics, for meat, etc. etc.

    I am afraid that such an economy can never become competitive in world markets, and in any case.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 July 2020 16: 06 New
      0
      Including money for all the money - cheating with taxes and earning black every year will be more and more difficult for everyone, without exception.
  • fyvaprold
    fyvaprold 2 July 2020 11: 27 New
    -1
    And someone promised to "zero" taxes. Peter, what reality do you live in?
    PS: By the way, most commentators reminded me of Dust. This one:
    And yes, I congratulate everyone on the adoption of the amendments. Hooray comrades !!! laughing laughing laughing
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 2 July 2020 16: 03 New
    +1
    Here in our country, the assertion that it is generally not profitable to produce something at all is axiomatic. Is this really so? IMHO, another myth in maintaining the great ideology of the hapka. The emphasis is on the fact that in winter you see we need to drown, but the same Chinese do not. Change the structure of tariffs and credits for production and it will become profitable. The Chinese, well, they need to buy oil for plastics tighter and they don’t buzz. In the union, the share of hydrocarbon exports was at the level of 15-25% for the whole time. Today, up to 40%. We produce 700 pcs of excavators per year. Yes, we’ll be silent about the sales market because it’s necessary to work here and not write relations, but the same Africa can not only live in China.
  • CBR600
    CBR600 3 July 2020 11: 36 New
    0
    You can not comment on the article at all, you can steal. Everything has already been said. And I quietly laugh at all this.
    And yes, now Mercury is retrograde. Take care of your brain and nerves. Good luck to all !
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 4 July 2020 08: 18 New
    -1
    For Putin, the most important thing was to "reset".
    Everything else is just a verbal shock of air, for the sake of one "zeroing".
    I am still amazed, how else did he decide - then this 15%?
    He was afraid, I suppose ... Well, how will the rich get outraged? You never know ...
    Poor thing ... he suffered, probably ... he was afraid ... but then he took and 15% off his shoulder with a wide sweep to show our people how he hates the rich who suck blood from the people!
    And after that, I immediately calmed down because people immediately saw that the rich were imposed a terribly heavy tax, which means Putin is for the people! laughing lol wassat
    True, at the same time, for example, in Germany and France taxation on the rich is up to 45%, in the USA - from 57 to 63% and they do not twitch ..., but it is so ... particular ...

    After all, Putin goes his own way, known only to him and his accomplices ...
    By the old slogan: "Everything is in the name of man! Everything is for the good of man!"
    And as the old joke said: I know this person in the Kremlin!
    Isn't that so, Mr. Putin?
    laughing good drinks
  • Max Lebedev
    Max Lebedev 6 July 2020 21: 02 New
    +6
    A progressive scale must be introduced.