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General employment in the USSR: good or forced?

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General employment in the USSR: good or forced?

One of the main differences between the Soviet Union and the countries of the "capitalist camp" in the social sphere was the complete absence in it of such a category of citizens as unemployed. The USSR was truly a state of working people - not in words but in deeds. There were truth (from a certain time) in it, and the so-called parasites, but they fought decisively and irreconcilably. Was the work really for everyone and everyone? And was it so good for the Soviet people?


Unemployment went to the young Land of Soviets not only as one of the parts of the inheritance from the very “old world” that its creators vowed to destroy “to the ground”. This social evil was an inevitable consequence of the collapse of the previously existing state apparatus and economic structure, the civil war and the devastation caused by it. The decree "On labor exchanges" was signed by the head of the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR Vladimir Lenin at the very beginning of 1918. In accordance with this decision, state offices were created everywhere, in which citizens could register for free as unemployed, receive the appropriate allowance (making up one sixth of the average wage) and, at least in theory, count on assistance in finding employment.

In fairness, it is worth noting that in the Russian Empire, similar institutions existed only in the largest industrial centers, and even then not in all. In other cases, it was necessary to pay, and not a little, for assistance in obtaining work for “private owners” that provided appropriate services. One way or another, but in its original form, Ilyich’s initiative lasted until 1924. Paradoxically, the country faced the most massive decline in industrial production in 1921-1923. In addition, soldiers and commanders who were massively demobilized from the Red Army, pulled home from the fronts of the Civil. Peasants from half-ruined villages also aspired to the cities, out of habit, hoping to find some kind of work and food there.

By the mid-20s, the army of the unemployed in the USSR had grown (according to various estimates) to 10-15% of the total working-age population, having come close, according to some historians, to the number of 10 million people. The situation (especially considering that a significant part of this hungry and desperate crowd was yesterday's front-line soldiers) was explosive. The state was simply not able to feed and provide even the most unskilled work with such a breakthrough of the people. In the summer of 1924, unemployment benefits were canceled, and applicants who had no seniority and demanded specialties began to be removed en masse (tens and hundreds of thousands) from stock exchanges. This, of course, did not contribute to the reduction of social tension: in some places, things began to reach the pogroms of exchanges and the beatings of their employees.

How all this could end is understandable. The surviving reports compiled on this occasion by the staff of the NKVD State Unitary Enterprise state openly stated that potential "combustible material" in the face of a multitude of unemployed were trying with might and main to use "anti-Soviet elements", primarily anarchists who were not left in some places. Everything could turn out very badly, but then Comrade Stalin got down to business. As always, when he began to solve certain global problems, everything worked out as if by magic. March 13, 1930, having issued a job placement for the last official Soviet unemployed, a certain locksmith Mikhail Shkunov, the last in the USSR, the Moscow labor exchange, was solemnly closed. The problem has ceased to exist as such.

Today, some are trying to argue that all this, of course, was “window dressing” and the USSR won the victory over unemployment exclusively “on paper”. It doesn’t converge, gentlemen ... In the 30s, unemployed people from the United States rushed to the Soviet Union in droves. A lot of memories of foreigners about this time have survived, including those far from complementary to Stalin, where they all admit with amazement: "The Bolsheviks have no unemployment!" Fraud did not pass with Joseph Vissarionovich. In order to really provide everyone and everyone with work, drastic measures have been taken: from mass retraining of people to professions that are in demand in the national economy, to the introduction of a 7-hour working day at the enterprises and the third shift, which allowed the enterprises to be launched around the clock.

The country was rapidly developing, building, moving to new heights, in the end, preparing for war. Working hands and creative minds were, as they say, snapped up, and everyone could find a job for themselves and on the shoulder. People who either themselves lived in a divided estate society, or were the first or second generation of descendants of immigrants from it, the soaring Stalinist “social elevators” seemed like a real gift of fate. In the 12th article of the famous Stalinist Constitution of 1936, labor was declared the duty of every citizen of the USSR. However, in article 118 of the same Constitution, the state gave a XNUMX% guarantee of employment to all its citizens without exception. Everything was fair.

It is not surprising that the famous decree “On the fight against parasites,” which some mournful gentlemen bring down to the heap of “Stalinist repression,” was adopted in 1961, under Khrushchev. By the way, in places where, as they say, Makar did not drive calves, according to him, over the next three years, 37 thousand people were exiled! Nikita Sergeich ... The light of democracy and mercy, yeah. Then, by the way, in the Criminal Code appeared the corresponding 209th article, according to which “for a parasitic way of life” you could get both six months or a year of correctional labor, and a very real “term” of two years. It was in fear of her that some domestic rock stars were later arranged by stokers and janitors.

The decay of the Soviet system, for which Khrushchev must be “thanked” for all, gave rise to those who categorically did not want to work or live in a Soviet way. Today, almost three decades after the concepts of “parasites” and universal compulsory and secured employment disappeared into oblivion in 1991, one can argue for a long time about what was more of them: a totalitarian evil or a public good. However, one indisputable truth remains: from the 30s until the very death of the USSR, the threat of losing one's job and losing one's livelihood really did not stand before any Soviet person.
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  1. Far B
    Far B 30 June 2020 15: 06 New
    47
    Definitely a blessing. Even dolbyodyatlyam had to think before you get too fast. But they scolded this system mom do not grieve)))
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 30 June 2020 15: 08 New
      27
      Quote: Dalny V
      Even dolbyodyatlyam had to think before you get too fast. But they scolded this system mom do not grieve)))

      The article was for parasitism !!!
      And the word parasite was abusive good
      1. Far B
        Far B 30 June 2020 15: 10 New
        19
        And who are the parasites? Witches mostly. I've seen enough of them)
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 30 June 2020 15: 47 New
          +8
          There was a latent form of parasitism. It was called "wherever to work, just not to work" Various research institutes of light industry and all sorts of trakhbabahsnabsbytpodavki. We drank some coffee, read a magazine, smoked a cigarette, scratched our tongues - the working day is over. Unlike the hanuriks, they even received awards
          1. Far B
            Far B 30 June 2020 15: 50 New
            30
            It seems so to you. A good supplier was worth its weight in gold. Between coffee pots dangled on business trips, mom do not worry
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 30 June 2020 15: 53 New
              14
              In addition to good suppliers in these offices, there were plenty of professional pants cleaners. As it was with us in an airline, 5 to 7 people actually plowed, the rest imitated work.
              1. Far B
                Far B 30 June 2020 16: 00 New
                23
                I find it difficult to say about the airline. Far away, I confess. Under the Soviet Union he worked as an electrician and beekeeper. There was a case, swore at "unnecessary" superstructures. Now I have become a leader, I understand - they were needed. Unlike thousands of security guards, accountants and other dumbbells.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 30 June 2020 20: 13 New
                  21
                  Ivanov, let me explain some aspects of the organization of labor. You described the well-known Ringelman effect, or social laziness, which is true only as a photograph of one instant of the work process.
                  Let's say you have a working group of 7 people. Two are straining, five are beating. But the first two were tired, and the other two were tensing and so on. As a result, all seven receive the same level of competence, which means the ability of anyone to replace each of the others. And here you, the capitalist Ivanov, enter the workshop and you see five loafers. What do you think of them?

                  1. Five lost personal responsibility for the outcome of the work.
                  2. Two do a better job than seven.
                  3. Five lost motivation to work.
                  4. If you do not continuously monitor the workflow, the result of each is anonymous, the loafer will receive as much as the hard worker.
                  5. Your company is uninteresting to the five, they do not match its success with themselves.

                  You fire two of them at once. Participation in the replacement of tired two is now becoming more frequent, everyone starts to get tired, productivity drops. From this you are annoyed and, wanting to increase productivity, you go to the shop or office and, finding three random "idlers", fire them. There are two left who, unable to withstand the stress of the capitalist sweatshop system, will leave on their own. You are doomed to look for new two over and over again.
                  So in many cases "there are no superfluous people in production. And then you, capitalist Ivanov, replace seven workers with one robot or other digital device. For example, several people issuing unequal certificates with one machine. That will eventually await all employees. workers in a capitalist paradise In the USSR, even in this case, the state would have taken care of creating a sufficient number of jobs for the released labor force, but that is socialism.
                  1. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 2 July 2020 09: 03 New
                    0
                    Well, now I am also writing a comment from work. And I, in principle, am not going to work hard for 8 hours non-stop. Firstly, not for such a salary. Secondly, I’m suffering from garbage now, when I need it, it will be difficult to replace me, and any contractors, firstly, are less accessible, secondly, for what I will do for their salary they will take several times more.
                2. matross
                  matross 1 July 2020 21: 57 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Far In
                  Under the Soviet Union he worked as an electrician and beekeeper. There was a case, swore at "unnecessary" superstructures. Now I have become a leader.

                  This is the problem now. Beekeepers got out into the heads. And electricians.
              2. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 08: 49 New
                -2
                What is interesting now after 30 years of capitalism is the same. Although in recent years, due to the decrease in the pie, the trend is to tighten the nuts.
              3. certero
                certero 1 July 2020 17: 48 New
                0
                In any research institute there were a lot of those who did not do a damn thing.
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 30 June 2020 16: 47 New
              -7
              a good supplier is 95 percent of the connection actually. not the ability to work. communication and dating. and where do they get them first? in high school. which means that the university should be at least prestigious. so what?
              1. Far B
                Far B 30 June 2020 16: 50 New
                10
                Actually, yes, communication. 30 percent off. And then the ability not to miss, jur. subtleties, blablabla. Everything is complicated. Therefore, they were appreciated
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 30 June 2020 16: 54 New
                  -4
                  for subtleties there is a jur department. but to bring someone to this level, connections are needed. customers. database. they are not taken from the air.
                  1. Far B
                    Far B 30 June 2020 16: 56 New
                    +2
                    In short, we are talking about the same thing, but in different languages
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 30 June 2020 19: 25 New
                      -2
                      by itself. below is an example. apply blah blah blah. just as elementary. learn the language on the way. No doubt. supply us
                2. Svetlana
                  Svetlana 30 June 2020 18: 26 New
                  0
                  a good supplier is a 95 percent connection actually
                  Communication is far from the first place. On the first - the ability to be charming and convincing. Skill roll. This is not what everyone gets.
                  .
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 30 June 2020 19: 15 New
                    -7
                    sure, not a problem. arrange in Sweden with the Absolut factory) get rich. can you? give mail and an exclusive contract and you can not worry about work). enough weeks? otherwise we have a man sitting there and can’t do anything. Moscow State University and a bunch of other institutions behind. MBA in Sorbonne. do it? the ability to roll everything is necessary. let's) apply charm and persuasiveness!
                    1. Svetlana
                      Svetlana 30 June 2020 20: 20 New
                      +2
                      We kind of talked about SOVIET SECURITIES. About the time when the phones were only landline, and in order to call another city it was necessary to order negotiations.
                      ....
                      Or are we about modernity?
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 30 June 2020 20: 23 New
                        -7
                        about herself. although what's the difference then and now. the essence is not changed. only geography.
                      2. Svetlana
                        Svetlana 30 June 2020 20: 50 New
                        +2
                        Then and now. Everything has changed
                        - mobility has changed
                        - Communication systems have changed
                        -Changed paperwork
                        And most importantly, the social system has changed and with it the motivation system
                        ....
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 01: 23 New
                        +2
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        the essence is not changed. only geography.

                        Fuck there. Pyatakov walked in a frayed coat and made millions of contracts.
          2. AK1972
            AK1972 1 July 2020 06: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Dalny V
            A good supplier was worth its weight in gold

            Suppliers are still weighing quite a bit, both literally and figuratively. If our suppliers are announced that they will not be paid any more, not one will write a statement for calculation.
        2. Esoteric
          Esoteric 30 June 2020 17: 50 New
          32
          Not a fan of communists. But what does not take away, then does not take away. I didn’t shake for work, I didn’t bend in front of my boss, I didn’t get up in the "third position". For I knew there was a lot of work, I would get a job anywhere without any problems. Working hands were needed everywhere. A person who wanted to work, who could work, was needed everywhere.
          Now over 55, if I lose my job, I'm done. And do not talk about private enterprise. Everywhere, at all times, only, God forbid, five percent of the population could become merchants, and this is even in the best case. This requires talent. He is either there or he is not, and there is nothing you can do. And here, besides talent, we need connections, connections, acquaintances with the right people. The rest can only work. We do not take officials into account, this is a separate category, another talent is needed there - inhuman arrogance, lack of moral principles. Something like this.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 08: 54 New
            -1
            Quote: Ezoterik
            We do not take officials into account, this is a separate category, another talent is needed there - inhuman arrogance, lack of moral principles

            But all this is not necessary for merchants? They are like angels who are business. laughing It is interesting then about whom a certain comrade Dunning wrote about the fact that capital will go to any crime for the sake of 300 percent profit?
            1. Esoteric
              Esoteric 1 July 2020 09: 03 New
              0
              I agree of course. You are absolutely right.
        3. dauria
          dauria 30 June 2020 23: 57 New
          +2
          There was a latent form of parasitism. It was called "wherever you work, just not to work"


          Yes it was. And the saying was "To lie for a ruble, to run for three." And there were idlers yawning for 8 hours. Despite the fact that there were those who worked nearby for a little more money. And "persons of Caucasian nationality" sat in the city markets, "working" with work books at the same time at home. Idyll. If you want, work hard, you will get 3 rubles. But at the same time, you will still feed the loafers who agree to lie down for 1 ruble. wink
          Just the unemployed were forced to sit in supposedly work for unemployment benefits. wassat
          Is it just that the collective farms did not drive hard workers, but office engineers, to clean the territory and to help?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 01: 27 New
            0
            Quote: dauria
            and to help collective farms drove not hard workers, but office engineers?

            Our company drove three buses to Starodubtsev’s farm. All hard workers like.
        4. Shuttle
          Shuttle 2 July 2020 07: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          There was a latent form of parasitism. It was called "wherever to work, just not to work" Various research institutes of light industry and all sorts of trakhbabahsnabsbytpodavki. We drank some coffee, read a magazine, smoked a cigarette, scratched our tongues - the working day is over. Unlike the hanuriks, they even received awards

          Believe me, and now, although decisively less, they are still available.
          The current capitalists are fighting with them at home, but in the state system they are indestructible. So the point is not in the type of state, not in specific people, but in management methods. In the USSR, there were terrible swamps about which you write, as well as very peppy and healthy institutions and enterprises.
          There was only one thing - fear.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 30 June 2020 16: 26 New
        +9
        Quote: Dalny V
        And who are the parasites? Witches mostly. I've seen enough of them)

        For your information, I have seen a lot of things too, and I can tell you with confidence that some citizens worked as night watchmen, laborers (sometimes they were simply listed for fear of being attracted under the article “for parasitism”, sometimes other people worked instead). In the USSR there was a difference in pay for full-time work and part-time work. Even if one person worked in two full-time positions, he received less. Therefore, there were people who actually replaced those employed, receiving their full salary. And, arranged in fact, had a document on fictitious employment (or non-fictitious), but their main activity was completely different professions ("farce", currency traders, prostitution, private production, etc.)
        There were LTPs for “witches”, where the conditions were much tougher, and those who wished to bluntly “conjure” these conditions were stopped.
        1. Far B
          Far B 30 June 2020 16: 31 New
          +5
          Did not quite understand. Concurrently, they often pay less. LTP medical and labor dispensary, medical institution. What are you about?!
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 30 June 2020 18: 03 New
            +4
            Quote: Dalny V
            medical institution.

            Yes, but also labor!
          2. Freeman
            Freeman 30 June 2020 18: 19 New
            +4
            Quote: Far In
            I did not understand a bit ... LTP is a medical and labor dispensary, a medical institution. What are you about?!

            In this "medical institution", the main "medicine" was labor, not "pills".
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 30 June 2020 15: 58 New
      0
      Abusive is about nothing, for this parasitism they simply planted them for a year, but not immediately, they made it possible to find work.
      1. Far B
        Far B 30 June 2020 16: 32 New
        +3
        The precinct ran and forced, yes. And rightly so.
      2. Unknown
        Unknown 1 July 2020 11: 21 New
        +2
        the article was there, if I am not mistaken, from a year to five, there were different points. correctly, for some time, the district policeman walked, warned, directed, it was also his responsibility, and then bam, and he went, for a year to the camp, they were also labor. but the trick is that when they were released, they were obliged to get a job, if they didn’t get settled on time, there was time for release for this, then I already received, from three, to five, which judge would be, as they were considered, repeat offenders. worked I’m the only one with me, he said that they are forced to work there, that here, but at large it’s better. Yes there was a time, almost communism. Soviet power understood the simple thing that idleness sucks, it doesn’t work for a week, two, a month, everything, you won’t force it to work, you will find thousands of reasons, but it won’t work, only under threat, you will force them to work to your advantage, at least.
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 June 2020 16: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Malyuta
      The article was for parasitism !!!
      And the word parasite was abusive

      1. parusnik
        parusnik 30 June 2020 16: 16 New
        +4
        Not from that moment, they set ... It was necessary from this: Tsar, you want a cake, you want ice cream ... But he paints the fences ...
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 30 June 2020 16: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: parusnik
          Not from that moment, they set ...

          In the context of the comment, no more request
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 30 June 2020 16: 47 New
            -2
            Just looking ... minuses put ....
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    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev 30 June 2020 19: 53 New
      +3
      "The word parasite was a dirty word."
      It was always abusive. And under Peter the Great, "parasites and parasites" were ordered to collect for enrollment in recruits or for work.
      Well, from sticking the stigma of a parasite, so to speak, "bringing under dispossession," then it was also fashionable.
      But what’s better now, because parasites are even more so today than under the Soviet regime? Again article?
      In the current social and economic conditions, it is also necessary to fight against the "parasitic way of life." And the main criteria for criminal punishment, defeat in rights, etc. should be, firstly, the fact of paying taxes, a citizen of a country must pay taxes, and not just trample on the environment and receive insurance and a social pension for old age.
      And secondly, the unconditional requirement of the law on the need for every citizen to dance the size of their income and the origin of houses, cars, villas, accounts, etc., etc.
      1. Alf
        Alf 30 June 2020 20: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: Alekseev
        dance the size of their income

        Not so much income as expenses.
        When a couple of years ago they passed the anti-corruption law, copied from the US FATCA law, they "forgot" to add a declaration of expenditures to our version.
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 30 June 2020 15: 09 New
    16
    Quote: Dalny V
    Definitely a blessing.

    Of course, it’s good, I would say happiness when you are guaranteed to be without work, unless of course you want to work ..
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 30 June 2020 15: 15 New
    +9
    The main thing is that the specialist was guaranteed a job, which means a decent salary and a bunch of extra buns.
    1. Far B
      Far B 30 June 2020 15: 22 New
      15
      Yes, and the distribution after the tower, although it is ostracized by some today, I will call good. Especially for our northern regions
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 30 June 2020 16: 08 New
        -12
        It’s good for the state, but no one wants to be this specialist.
        Here you were born in Sevastopol, just a climate resort, here are all friends, relatives, friends of relatives, etc. And here you bang, in Chukotka there is no specialist in your profile. Pick up the Chumadans and go. Your opinion everyone spit. laughing
        1. Far B
          Far B 30 June 2020 16: 13 New
          18
          No one crammed into Chukotka from Sevastopol. Close regions were considered, what are you talking about? Not, well, if there were people who wanted it (and I met them myself), then we were distributed from Belarus to us in Primorye. Why not? Are we here lepers stole?
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 30 June 2020 16: 15 New
            -2
            Forwarded from anywhere, everything for state needs. Do you think there is a queue in Chukotka? No, but if there is no line, what kind of volunteers? wink
            1. Far B
              Far B 30 June 2020 16: 20 New
              15
              Well, tell me about the Far East, huh))) After Moscow and Peter, do you know where the strongest journalism was? In the Magadan region. Why? Five years - a cooperative in Moscow, a garage, a car. Do not treat me, not worth it. I've been living here all my life.
            2. Senior seaman
              Senior seaman 30 June 2020 20: 50 New
              +6
              Quote: BlackMokona
              Do you think there is a queue in Chukotka?

              You will not believe it, but getting to the North for a young specialist at that time is an unheard of luck. And yes, there was a queue, people from all over the country wrote to the personnel departments, asked to send a call. It was not so simple.
              And in general, you are not afraid of that. In a remote village in the Non-Black Earth Region according to distribution - this is really "getting". Where you will be given housing as a young specialist - a house not being repaired in a hundred years, with amenities in the yard. And the place in kindergarten for a child is about the same.
              And Kolyma and Chukotka are a wonderful place. Housing was built in ramparts. Salary - salary + 70-80% of the North (depending on the district coefficient), if there are field workers another 50%, plus allowances for seniority.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 01: 40 New
                0
                Quote: Senior Sailor
                You will not believe it, but getting to the North for a young specialist at that time is an unheard of luck.

                I won’t believe it. One of my uncles was distributed in Norilsk, the other took, and agreed that they would be distributed closer to Nizhny Tagil.
                1. Senior seaman
                  Senior seaman 2 July 2020 11: 24 New
                  0
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  He agreed that they would be distributed closer to Nizhny Tagil.

                  Listen to you, so Nizhny Tagil is somewhere near Sochi :)
                  Correct me if I am mistaken, but the regional coefficient in the Sverdlovsk region is still there, though not as large as in the North, but still. request
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 22: 57 New
                    0
                    Quote: Senior Sailor
                    Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is still a district coefficient in the Sverdlovsk region,

                    But somehow I was not interested. I’m from the Tula region. But what surprised me was that the uncle’s lamp in Nizhny Tagil was produced in 1982 with a price of 180 rubles. On a malachite basis.
                    1. Senior seaman
                      Senior seaman 2 July 2020 23: 30 New
                      +1
                      And I come from Magadan, therefore I can imagine the specifics there. (About Norilsk, I won’t lie, not really))
                      Essentially, people in the USSR were different. One, any place outside the Garden Ring seemed real Tmutarakan, and the other Tagil went for the first grade :)))
                      But many wanted to go to Kolyma, where my parents met. A friend of my parents worked in frames and sometimes told me what letters the applicants wrote, and especially the candidates (and I warmed up my shallow ears). They promised: I won’t drink, I won’t walk (with these words), just send a call. And the audience, especially after a couple of glasses of tea, neigh: - Haha, then you need such correct ones here!
                    2. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 23: 39 New
                      0
                      Quote: Senior Sailor
                      and another and Tagil went for the first grade :)))

                      And why is it bad? My brother is a bourgeois and still lives in the apartment that his dad received in the 70s. The layout there is very personal.
                      Quote: Senior Sailor
                      But many wanted to go to Kolyma, where my parents met.

                      Another uncle escaped to BAM. When the Soviet Union came, his nose in tobacco, seik on his hand, in his pocket chewing gum. Somehow I survived to retirement with a garden, fishing, and eating cats that came across traps.
                    3. Senior seaman
                      Senior seaman 2 July 2020 23: 50 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      When the Soviet Union came, his nose in tobacco, seik on his hand, in his pocket chewing gum.

                      Duc and from the Far North as well ...
                      As for the rest, my village was generally closed a long time ago, only the most desperate remained there, and hard workers carry shifts to the mine. As they say, this morning you are not infatuated :))
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 30 June 2020 16: 23 New
      +8
      And here you bang, in Chukotka there is no specialist in your profile. Pick up the Chumadans and go. Your opinion all spit.

      - with free education, it is necessary to work out the "credit of trust" of the society and the state

      Now it’s better to pay money - always and everywhere
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 30 June 2020 16: 38 New
        +2
        The word for free implies that it is not necessary to pay. And if you need to work out, then it’s paid.
        And then I can give you 10 thousand rubles for free if you work for me a month.
        1. Far B
          Far B 30 June 2020 16: 45 New
          10
          The word "free" means free. And then with what fright will they still pay you wages? Frown. You have been offered a place of employment. Not satisfied? Well, at Harvard, this is bullshit.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 June 2020 16: 32 New
      14
      Quote: BlackMokona
      And here you bang, in Chukotka there is no specialist in your profile. Pick up the Chumadans and go. Your opinion all spit.

      You drew a concentration camp invented by you. The matter was decided differently. A person had to work out the distribution for some time, and then the flag in his hands ... And beyond the Arctic Circle, work was paid higher than in Sevastopol. In the 70s, my friend’s father worked in Nadym and earned a thousand rubles a month. The apartment was in Volgograd.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 30 June 2020 17: 58 New
        15
        Yes, everything is simple. Paid for training - no. Received a scholarship - yes. Please work out where you need the state that trained you for free. And it is right.
    4. Grading
      Grading 30 June 2020 17: 02 New
      -12
      Not so long ago, I heard from the stage from the chairman of the board of directors of one of the major gas processing enterprises how they attract young specialists
      They conclude a contract for training for the budget with a scholarship or with a tuition fee + scholarship. During a break, his assistant told me how things are in fact, young people having received an education are not eager to go to Mukhoska far away from the land and are trying to find a job in the regional center and taking a loan pays "compensation" by terminating the contract.
      Or, having not completed the mandatory period of time, after two years, having gained experience and entry into employment, apply option No. 1
      All these soviet coercive measures do not work and have never worked.
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    5. Esoteric
      Esoteric 30 June 2020 17: 56 New
      10
      Studied for free? Free. I also received a scholarship. Please work out. What is the problem? I would not study.
    6. neri73-r
      neri73-r 30 June 2020 18: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: BlackMokona
      but no one wants to be this specialist.

      Sorry, work out the money spent on your free study by the state and go ahead, move closer to Sevastopol.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 30 June 2020 18: 44 New
        -1
        So you can go to a savings bank and get a completely free apartment. Work it out and you are calculated laughing
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 2 July 2020 09: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: BlackMokona
          So you can go to a savings bank and get a completely free apartment. Work it out and you are calculated laughing

          The comparison is not correct. Pay for your studies yourself and live wherever you want! hi
    7. Alf
      Alf 30 June 2020 20: 23 New
      0
      Quote: BlackMokona
      It’s good for the state, but no one wants to be this specialist.
      Here you were born in Sevastopol, just a climate resort, here are all friends, relatives, friends of relatives, etc. And here you bang, in Chukotka there is no specialist in your profile. Pick up the Chumadans and go. Your opinion everyone spit. laughing

      And then who will work in Chukotka and the Far East? But do not want to go on a routine, yes no problem, from the very beginning pay for the entire training course and then go wherever you want.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 30 June 2020 20: 44 New
        0
        Those whom large salaries will be attracted to if necessary to whom.
  • Alexy
    Alexy 30 June 2020 18: 32 New
    -2
    As for a decent salary, you got excited. Worthy was not many. However, as now.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 30 June 2020 15: 06 New
    +8
    One of the main differences between the Soviet Union and the countries of the "capitalist camp" in the social sphere was the complete absence in it of such a category of citizens as unemployed.

    That is yes. It was necessary to be able to still be completely without work ....
  • Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 30 June 2020 15: 09 New
    31
    Work provides a livelihood. So what to ask - is it good or not?
    Moreover, there was enough work in the USSR, I don’t remember something unemployment. I am born in 1961. In summer, we, schoolchildren, went to look for jobs so that our parents did not ask for money. My first job was at a fish farm (Magadan Oblast), then I was 14 years old. Earned 70 rubles a month - and was happy.
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 30 June 2020 15: 18 New
      34
      My first job, at the age of 14, he turned tractor radiators with a wrench at 130 a month in the summer. He dressed himself and put on shoes for school. Now young people are hanging around, because adults have no work, not like young people without experience and experience.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 30 June 2020 21: 21 New
        +6
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        My first job, at the age of 14, I turned the tractor radiators with a wrench at 130 per month in the summer.

        There was such a thing! At the age of 14 he worked as a worker at the Cholpon shoe factory in Frunze. I earned money, but the work was harmful because of the glue of varnishes and paints, the head after the change was "cast iron". But it was possible to earn money in the Union and there was work (and it was a blessing). hi
      2. Motorist
        Motorist 30 June 2020 23: 19 New
        +6
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        My first job

        At the age of 12 - a postman (full rate). 110 re, more income deducted (100 remained). Not an easy job, I'll tell you; at least then it seemed - everyone without exception subscribed to "Trud" and "Soviet Russia" (almost daily!). And, of course, other newspapers and magazines, letters and pensions. One day off a week.
    2. Strashila
      Strashila 30 June 2020 15: 51 New
      15
      In the 10th grade I had practice on the CPC, I earned as much as 25 rubles.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 30 June 2020 16: 26 New
        10
        from the Code of Criminal Procedure after the 9th --126 rubles for 1.2 months. locksmith toolmaker .a assy, ​​5-6 category - sat for half a day, studied the drawings and checked the tool - then we made a plan for 1 \ 2 days and up to 370 rubles / month. 100% quality from the first presentation.
    3. Junior Private
      Junior Private 30 June 2020 16: 22 New
      14
      In addition to the usual summer pioneer camps, there were labor camps, to collect the same cherries, where schoolchildren were not particularly burdened as adults and were given money to earn. I remember how I received 90 rubles - serious money for those times. And not only the matter of money, but also the educational moment and attitude to Labor.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 30 June 2020 21: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Junior Private
        In addition to the usual summer pioneer camps, there were labor camps, to collect the same cherries, where schoolchildren were not particularly burdened as adults and were given money to earn. I remember how I received 90 rubles - serious money for those times

        LTO (labor and rest camp), and we called it labor camp without rest. In our case (the 80s of the last century), they paid very little, the work was hard (Central Asia), in the heat, with ketmen they slaughtered, in fact, takyr, fertilizers were dropped on us a couple of times, several children were taken to the hospital. I felt this topic on myself and the next time, in the summer, I left to work as a worker at a factory.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 30 June 2020 15: 11 New
    0
    In the 12th article of the famous Stalinist Constitution of 1936, labor was declared the duty of every citizen of the USSR. However, in article 118 of the same Constitution, the state gave a XNUMX% guarantee of employment to all its citizens without exception. Everything was fair.
    It is definitely a blessing for the state. For lovers of "human rights" - evil.
    In the summer of 1924, unemployment benefits were canceled, and applicants who did not have work experience and demanded specialties began to be removed en masse from the stock exchanges (tens and hundreds of thousands).
    A very good way to combat unemployment. In this case, the person is interested in finding a job, not that. how to get increased unemployment benefits due to coronovirus.
    It is possible to employ now all without exception, there would be a will and desire. And in this case, they will even pay more than the allowance - because a person will work out at least part of the money. But for this you need to use tough measures. And the population is not ready for this. And there is a risk in the end to come to work for the sake of work, and not to work for the benefit of the state. But it will not be right away.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 30 June 2020 15: 35 New
      0
      And there is a risk in the end to come to work for the sake of work, and not to work for the benefit of the state. But it will not be right away.

      But there will be this main problem.
      Wherever to work, if only not to work.
  • Siberian54
    Siberian54 30 June 2020 15: 12 New
    10
    Finally, the article is the essence of which even liberalists and Ukrainians do not bother to denigrate.! Respect to the author !!
  • Jünger
    Jünger 30 June 2020 15: 18 New
    -12
    Was the work really for everyone and everyone?

    Of course I wasn’t. Hence a bunch of housewives in every research institute who knitted socks at the workplace. Or the crowds of calderas who begin their working day with a sober.
    I saw it all. In an effective state, such workers would be swept out into the street with a broom, while in a Soviet state, they would "work effectively." As effective as sand in a bearing.
    Hence, all these trips to potatoes, community work days .. If there is no work, then you can’t break it out of the knee. But the latter was occupied by the Soviet state.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 30 June 2020 15: 49 New
      -1
      Use specialists with higher education, or even scientists with degrees, to harvest potatoes?
      Insanity, however.
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 30 June 2020 16: 18 New
        +4
        It was just on the potatoes that one could recognize the person, that is, what he was breathing in. Yes, and no one had worked on a tractor there.
        ,, .. and let the iron saw work,
        not for that my mother gave birth to me ... "
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 30 June 2020 21: 40 New
          -4
          Quote: Skalendarka
          It was just on the potatoes that one could recognize a person, i.e., what is he breathing

          Usually they breathed with Belamor cigarettes and Pamir cigarettes, at best Cosmos, they also breathed in alcoholic vapors after drinking vodka and the smoke of a bonfire in which this potato was baked. Someone it was for romance. For me it was wasted time. repeat
          1. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 30 June 2020 21: 48 New
            +6
            Quote: Tank Hard
            Quote: Skalendarka
            It was just on the potatoes that one could recognize a person, i.e., what is he breathing

            Usually they breathed with Belamor cigarettes and Pamir cigarettes, at best Cosmos, they also breathed in alcoholic vapors after drinking vodka and the smoke of a bonfire in which this potato was baked. Someone it was for romance. For me it was wasted time. repeat

            Tell how submachine gunners stood around the field and you plowed from dawn to dusk. At that time, thoughts about the collider were swarming in your head, and the damned party organizer / komsorg increased and increased the rate of production of potatoes / beets / carrots / cabbage ... .
            But .... at the place of the main work, they accrued salary according to the "average" and + what you worked out in the field.
            Who will correct the topic, if I’m not writing the truth ...
            ,, ... go potato we all respect
            when else with salt (tsoy) to mix ... ''
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 30 June 2020 22: 05 New
              -4
              Quote: Skalendarka
              Tell how submachine gunners stood around the field and you plowed from dawn to dusk

              You are probably a young science fiction writer. Love wishful thinking. wink Everything was voluntary-compulsory, there were no machine gunners, there was a threat of a spoiled characteristic, and this was a weighty argument. wink
              Quote: Skalendarka
              , and the damned party organizer / komsorg all increased and increased the rate of production of potatoes / beets / carrots / cabbage ....

              And there was a party organizer / Komsomol, which during the day pushed fiery speeches about the greatness of the CPSU, and in the evening in the toilet wiped the ass with leaflets torn from the charter of the CPSU. What is it like? wink And then some try to understand why the USSR collapsed? request
              1. Sklendarka
                Sklendarka 30 June 2020 22: 09 New
                +3
                You went to harvest potatoes? What was bad there? and about salary I certainly lied?
                About myself-was born in January 59 ...
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 30 June 2020 22: 15 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Skalendarka
                  You went to harvest potatoes? What was bad there? and about salary I certainly lied?
                  About myself-was born in January 59 ...

                  It may be that in 1959 everything was fine with the salary for harvesting potatoes, I don’t know for sure, because I was born in 1973 and went to pick potatoes in the late 80s, but I don’t remember that we would be paid for it no matter how much money was there, and I would have spent the time with better use in my studies than in those boozes, into which this finding turned out for harvesting potatoes. request
      2. Junior Private
        Junior Private 30 June 2020 16: 34 New
        10
        My research institute drove for potatoes, beets ... A couple of times a season for work is not critical, but then everyone’s back was better unbent.
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 09: 33 New
        0
        Do you understand, if tomorrow the economic crisis hits you very hard, your specialists will go to pick potatoes in the same way as with the bloody scoop. And your liberal market spherical in a vacuum, divorced from life, whining on the topic "it's impossible because it's impossible" will not be interesting to anyone. The economy dictates its own rules.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 1 July 2020 10: 58 New
          -5
          And did the scoop press so hard against the crisis that highly qualified specialists were used for harvesting? They hammered nails with a microscope. Or was the Soviet economy itself a permanent crisis? In all normal countries - harvesting, but here we have the Battle. A sudden crop, just a natural disaster - you give a fight.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 11: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            And did the scoop press so hard against the crisis that highly qualified specialists were used for harvesting?

            Actually, yes. It’s strange that you don’t understand this. This is precisely a crisis phenomenon.
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            In all normal countries - harvesting, but here we have the Battle. A sudden crop, just a natural disaster - you give a fight.

            Because life is generally a struggle. It is strange that you are still an adherent of capitalism about this still did not bother to find out. Elves from capitalism are such elves.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 1 July 2020 11: 11 New
              -2
              Now the farmer harvests crops without any "shifts" and "battles" there, and with a smaller number of workers. And yes, I have not heard that in the same Germany or Canada, engineers or doctors were involved in harvesting. I generally keep quiet about scientists.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 11: 21 New
                +2
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                And yes, I did not hear that in the same Germany or Canada, engineers or doctors were involved in the harvest. About scientists in general I am silent.

                You somehow completely forgot about the great depression in the USA at the beginning of the last century. This is the first. Secondly, I forgot that labor productivity has increased. And in the third, I forgot that although the crisis in the global economy is growing, it is still not so critical. Although it has already seriously hit the global economy with a pandemic, individual proposals from this category are heard. I remember that you are all so smart and beautiful bourgeois who yelled that capitalism is happiness for all time. But then came the economic crisis and a pandemic, and suddenly someone small and medium-sized businesses and large ones screamed loudly how hard it was for him. Suddenly, the Atlanteans did not straighten their shoulders and embarrassment occurred.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 June 2020 16: 46 New
      +7
      Quote: Junger
      Hence, all these trips to potatoes, community work days .. If there is no work, then you can’t break it out of the knee. But the latter was occupied by the Soviet state.

      The trips to potatoes are not from here, but from the low mechanization of rural labor. By the way, not all enterprises went "for potatoes." By the way, the main scourge in food production is the lack of storage facilities. More than half of the harvest rotted in the bins.
      The party leadership was engaged in the latter, inserting their party events and party "Wishlist" where necessary and not necessary. Work has always been. Just not always this work was provided with tools and materials.
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 30 June 2020 19: 28 New
        0
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The trips to potatoes are not from here, but from the low mechanization of rural labor.

        I agree, only this low mechanization is nonsense in itself. One of the main goals of collectivization was to increase the mechanization of this very one.
        A bunch of people were perished, MTS was built and everything was in vain.
    3. yehat2
      yehat2 30 June 2020 16: 52 New
      +3
      if a person does not work, he is either officially unemployed or unofficial and money is still spent on him. This was not the best, but the normal way to combat unemployment.
      In addition, control over labor resources and reserves was added, which could be directed to more priority work.
      Your attempt to primitively evaluate this process, not taking into account the big picture, is incorrect.
      In the US, huge unemployment and huge expenses for the unemployed - is this better ???
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 30 June 2020 19: 17 New
        0
        Quote: yehat2
        if a person does not work, he is either officially unemployed or unofficial and money is still spent on him

        Nothing should be wasted on him.
        Quote: yehat2
        In the US, huge unemployment and huge expenses for the unemployed - is this better ???

        And here the United States in general ... All these benefits only produce parasites. Normally, this is when the state has the base of necessary vacancies and helps retrain for the necessary profession. Well, still, as an option, some community service for food.
        Each person is the creator of his own happiness. He smoked, drank as a child, studied poorly - reap what he sowed. A good, sensible person will turn out himself.
        Why is it suddenly incomprehensible to pay from public money to whom?
      2. Alf
        Alf 30 June 2020 20: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: yehat2
        In the US, huge unemployment and huge expenses for the unemployed - is this better ???

        And some, dark in color, basically do not want to work.
    4. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 09: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Junger
      In an effective state such workers would be swept out with a broom

      What is an effective state? An hour is not where the Negroes live on benefits for generations? laughing
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 1 July 2020 21: 19 New
        0
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        What is an effective state?

        South Africa apartheid. USA before the abolition of racial segregation.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 07: 43 New
          0
          Yes Yes. I already heard that. It is necessary to return the capitalism of the 19th century and then panama. No, do not panic. Capitalism is what it is not as a result of the evil socialists or liberals making it that way. He is such as a result of his natural development. He is so because it is effective, because it is profitable. And then you understand the snotty schoolchildren from the country of wild peripheral capitalism are trying to teach the lives of adult uncles and aunts from advanced kapstrany who ate a dog in the competition. laughing
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 2 July 2020 09: 55 New
            0
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            It is necessary to return the capitalism of the 19th century and then panama.

            No, don’t. It is necessary to return the conservative concepts that the Communists threw out in society to their rightful place - to put it at the forefront. To take away the rights from those who should not have these rights. Put the responsibilities of each person in the first place and stop trying to wipe the ass of every loafer.
            Stop constantly lying and hang snot about socialism and capitalism.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 19: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: Junger
              Conservative concepts must be returned

              Og of course. Are these for example? And whether you understand conservative concepts is a very broad category.
              Quote: Junger
              which the communists threw

              What bad are these communists.
              From time immemorial in Russia from them one evil. That would not be them and everyone would live happily and the boyars in the mansions and servants in the stable. And so here these evil communists constantly stir up water. laughing
              Quote: Junger
              To take away the rights from those who should not have these rights.

              Hello good old fascism.
              Quote: Junger
              stop trying to wipe the ass for every loafer.

              This phrase is usually meant to rob the poor and give the loot to the rich.

              Quote: Junger
              Stop constantly lying and hang snot about socialism and capitalism.

              This is yes, around capitalism, lies with three boxes. But nothing crisis will open people's eyes to the real state of things. Yes, in fact, the pandemic has already shown the utter insignificance of developed capitalism.
              1. Jünger
                Jünger 2 July 2020 21: 29 New
                0
                You are trying to build Petrosyan out of yourself, but you’re getting mockery very poorly. And I'm not a fan of discussing something with verbiage.
                Good luck hi
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 22: 41 New
                  -1
                  Verbiage is you with your right capitalism. I hope you will someday get your portion of bullets and fragments from sent capitalism and once and for all at this moment will rid this planet of your presence.
                  1. Jünger
                    Jünger 2 July 2020 22: 56 New
                    +1
                    You used the word "capitalism" twice in your short message. And I noticed for a long time that people who throw such empty terms have a softening of the brain.
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 23: 13 New
                      0
                      I don't care what you think. The opinion of a demagogue does not mean anything to me.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 23: 25 New
              0
              Quote: Junger
              Put the responsibilities of each person in the first place and stop trying to wipe the ass of every loafer.

              Who exactly?
              1. Jünger
                Jünger 2 July 2020 23: 35 New
                +2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Who exactly?

                Those who were wiped during the Soviet era - drunks, lobotam, natsmen. You yourself should know such things. Didn’t you abuse it in case of Sovdepi?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 23: 46 New
                  0
                  Quote: Junger
                  Those who were wiped during the Soviet era - drunks, lobotam, natsmen. You yourself should know such things. Didn’t you abuse it in case of Sovdepi?

                  I never wiped anyone. Neither in the USSR, nor in Russia. If you have such an experience, I don’t need it.
                  1. Jünger
                    Jünger 2 July 2020 23: 48 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    I never wiped anyone

                    And I'm not talking about you, but about power. About the quotas of the national minorities, about the talk with unsuitable personnel. And as a result - inefficient production.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 23: 55 New
                      0
                      Quote: Junger
                      lisp with worthless shots.

                      I’m tuned with you to different waves. I had a friend, I spent time for parasitism. Is this a little talk? Bicycle calls in our city in our area were stamped throughout the USSR. crying Inefficient production? My dad somehow gave the cops his whole salary, if only the paper from the cops had not arrived at the plant.
                      1. Jünger
                        Jünger 3 July 2020 08: 12 New
                        +1
                        Everything was. I knew more than one citizen (they all died already), who started their working day at the research institute with a glass. Knitted socks, read newspapers ..
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Inefficient production?

                        Marriage is a marriage. I recall Soviet TVs - the only way I hit them so that they worked normally - and with scissors and fist with all the dope laughing And there’s no need to talk about the auto industry. Refrigerators were normal.
                        And they were collected by the devil who knows who was drinking, the control was carried out by the same scumbags. And everyone did not care - if only every trash formally was in action.
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 30 June 2020 15: 23 New
    14
    I absolutely agree with the basic principle "He who does not work, he does not eat". I absolutely agree. In the 60s until the mid-80s, there was no need to look for a job, everywhere there were announcements: "Required, required, required." However, it was not easy to get a job at a powerful company with a high salary. Even those who returned from detention were employed. Although the leaders of enterprises and foremen were not particularly enthusiastic about this, although people were different. There were those who worked conscientiously, there were those who did not overwork. In the USSR, there really was not enough workers, so it was possible to get a second part-time job or work under a labor contract-work after the main job, during vacation or on weekends. And in the 60s, shopkeepers appeared, in the late 60s, black market workers appeared.
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 30 June 2020 15: 47 New
      +7
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      In the USSR, there were really not enough workers

      There are not enough working hands now in Russia. They are not enough in any more or less developed state of the world. But on one condition - if these hands are conscientious and qualified. But these must be sought and sought.
      1. Alf
        Alf 30 June 2020 20: 34 New
        +4
        Quote: Junger
        But on one condition - if these hands are conscientious and qualified. But these must be sought and sought.

        And they also have to pay ... And with this, today's "entrepreneurs" have a gag - the more I pay a worker, the less will remain for myself, my beloved. True, often these "guardians of the market" for some reason complain that no one buys their products. They are unable to understand "why" ...
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 09: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Junger
        There are not enough working hands now in Russia.

        You see, you are raising a very complex question. And as one daughter of the officer said, not everything is so simple. Because here and for years unique seekers of personnel for a penny and growth in labor productivity and the structure of the economy and demographic transition and retraining and under-education, migrant workers and the economic crisis.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 17: 31 New
      11
      And in the 60s, workshops appeared,


      In fact, under Stalin, the so-called small business was not prohibited. There were single peasants who worked for themselves but paid taxes. There were artels involved in this or that work. There were artels working at the military prom. Not to mention all the possible shoemakers, tailors and others. But Khrushchev drove various shoe-makers to everyday life, and attached a frail superstructure to them. Not everyone was in agreement, and so the Tseshoviki appeared. And behind them is organized crime. Corn mines laid many of these mines. This is Crimea and stretched up with playful hands to the North Caucasus and redrawn there the same map. As a result, the bald ghoul had fun, and people had to pay plenty of blood. I believe everyone is aware of what the Shelkovsky and Georgievsky districts of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic are?
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 30 June 2020 17: 42 New
        +4
        I agree with your opinion about the actions of Khrushchev. But the workshops and farmers are not a small business under Stalin. Under Stalin, small business was at a legal level and paid taxes. Workshops are clandestine (that is, not registered and not paying taxes) manufacturers. And they produced goods of not the best quality and fakes for western goods. And the farmers are speculators, they did not produce goods, as small entrepreneurs were not registered and did not pay taxes.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 17: 46 New
          +5
          Under Stalin, small business was at a legal level and paid taxes.

          It was at this point that I noticed. And the guilds, as I understand it, are the brainchild of Khrushchev and some of the representatives of t.s. small business ...
          and scammers are not small businesses under Stalin.

          I just didn’t remember about farcers. It is quite clear what this category is.
          1. boris epstein
            boris epstein 30 June 2020 17: 57 New
            +5
            The fact of the matter is that the shop workers are not from small businesses. They often produced their goods in state-owned enterprises or in small workshops from materials obtained through corrupt schemes, also from state-owned enterprises. There was even a Kazakov who organized the production, theft and sale of diamonds at four Soviet jewelry factories. Together with three accomplices, he was shot. It is difficult and time-consuming to explain within a discussion. For you to better understand the essence of the tsekhoviks, I suggest watching the series "The Investigation Are Conducted by Experts" and "Inspector Losev". Or "Ogareva, 7". Yes, these are detective stories, but the Soviet militia is a little embellished, but the essence is clear.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 17: 58 New
              +1
              Understood thanks. At first, I just thought that there the artisans who went underground t.s .. Of course there is a difference ...
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 23: 08 New
            0
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            And the guilds, as I understand it, are the brainchild of Khrushchev and some of the representatives of t.s. small business ...

            My grandfather did not go underground. Before Khrushchev, shoes were made and accordions, while Khrushchev spat on everything, and he sat out his pants in the bushes, he guarded the flowers with a shotgun in an embrace.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 09: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Boris Epstein
          Under Stalin, small business was at a legal level and paid taxes.

          Artel is not an enterprise of a small private owner. Do not confuse one with the other. All demagogues apologists of capitalism like to do this. But this is categorically not so. An artel is a form of collective ownership.
  • SS-18
    SS-18 30 June 2020 15: 26 New
    23


    I have 2 sons finished Plekhanovka .. to say that they know more than me, or teach something .. I can not. Yes, smartphones and laptops understand better than me)
    1. alone
      alone 30 June 2020 18: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: SS-18


      I have 2 sons finished Plekhanovka .. to say that they know more than me, or teach something .. I can not. Yes, smartphones and laptops understand better than me)

      Most do not even know the basic things from the school curriculum .. And absolutely no savvy in life ...
      1. Alf
        Alf 30 June 2020 20: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        Most do not even know basic things from the school curriculum ..

        And why, if there is Google?
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 09: 50 New
        0
        Most of them, even with a bloody scoop, were not at all able to use the knowledge gained. To the great regret. If it were different, there would probably have been no catastrophe for the destruction of the USSR.
  • prior
    prior 30 June 2020 15: 27 New
    19
    30 years have passed, and the pain of the loss of the USSR does not abate. And no wonder.
    The best that mankind came up with is the wheel and the USSR.
    All empires ruin the elite, the Soviet Union did not escape this fate.
    1. tatra
      tatra 30 June 2020 15: 53 New
      +8
      And why in the USSR, in contrast to post-Soviet Russia, for decades the former State was not discussed every day? Why did the Bolshevik communists and their supporters not slander those from whom they took the country away, did not criticize how they worked and fought? And because they gave the country and the majority of the people more and better than the Romanovs and the bourgeoisie gave. And the enemies of the USSR, who seized the republics of the USSR, are only capable of destroying, ditching, taking away from the country and the people, therefore slandering the USSR with maniacal criticism "how bad, ineffective, these scoops and commies worked and fought", they have the only one in 30 years justification of their capture of the USSR.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 30 June 2020 17: 50 New
        -7
        Quote: tatra
        But because they gave the country and most people more and better

        And what did most of them not support in the 91st? Indeed, the MOST !!!
        1. Alf
          Alf 30 June 2020 20: 40 New
          +4
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: tatra
          But because they gave the country and most people more and better

          And what did most of them not support in the 91st? Indeed, the MOST !!!

          And where were you, party agitator?
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 5 July 2020 18: 03 New
            0
            Basil! It is indecent to answer question to question. First, decently answer the previously asked one, and then ask your own. But I will answer. At his combat post, where he performed and, well, everything that my party comrades from above shone white for me. But ... the party organizer came and said the CPSU was disbanded, the history of the CPSU was canceled, you are no longer needed. Well, we all "went and went." Can 20 people really do what the CPSU Central Committee, the KGB and the army with tanks and missiles could not do?
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 23: 13 New
          0
          Quote: kalibr
          And what did most of them not support in the 91st? Indeed, the MOST !!!

          Stop it. Stop delivering food to Moscow now, the government will fly like a cork, and the press will discuss in which dress the head escaped.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 5 July 2020 18: 04 New
            0
            So the principles are not the main thing for a person, but the grub! I agree completely. Principles are not barbecue! You can’t have lunch with them.
      2. Wowka
        Wowka 30 June 2020 23: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: tatra
        Why did the Bolshevik Communists and their supporters not slander those from whom they took the country ...? But because they gave the country and the majority of the people more and better than the Romanovs and the bourgeois gave

        So I see a lot of positive aspects in the USSR. But I don’t quite agree with you (with these words above): my great-grandmother, and in the 80s she was 96 years old, used to say that they lived better under the tsar (she, her family, familiar girls who walked with gingerbread and drinks ) That was small, did not ask what yes how. Now I would ask, yes, all ... of this ... there is no great-grandmother then. (
        they used to say to us that under the tsar, oh, how difficult it was .. so they were lying, Herods ..
        Although I see a lot of positive (not irony) in the social. there was a lot of useful and vital for people. And the fact that cops are corrupt, prisons, special services .. Not, but now how? Isn't that the same thing? It’s even worse, because everyone doesn’t give a damn about everyone .. But before he came to the party member, explained, and they took the cop by your horns ... a judge for soap ... Well, it’s better not to touch the security services then or now. And now: nothing to anyone, everything has become corrupt. No, wrong?
        The Soviet government took care of the children, about the culture of ours, every Negro was a brother because friendship was cultivated nevertheless (and it was not in words) .. And now - soon we will put up signs "For colored people", "Only for whites", "Only for the rich ".. although a lot has long been only for the rich, a lot of course also for the poor, but all of it is some kind of shit that does not suit the rich ..
        And there are fairy tales about democracy and opportunities in the capitalist world ... well, this is in one back place. ate ..
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 23: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Wowka
          my great-grandmother, and in the 80s she was 96) she used to say that they lived better under the tsar (she, her family, familiar girls who walked with gingerbread and drinks).

          Somehow, in the mid-90s, my sister and I visited my grandfather and grandmother. Well, they laid out the painful things over the glass. About Yolkin, about prices, about the salaries of doctors. Grandfather looked at us like guinea pigs and was silent. And the grandmother cried: "Guys, you can't even imagine how well you live now!"
      3. kalibr
        kalibr 5 July 2020 19: 49 New
        0
        Quote: tatra
        the Bolshevik Communists and their supporters did not slander those from whom they took the country, did not criticize how they worked and fought

        They slandered, and how, the same Maxim Gorky. Somehow there will be an article about it ...
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 09: 51 New
      -3
      Empires are not ruined by elites; they can only contribute to collapse. Empires ruin the objective laws of the development of society.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 30 June 2020 15: 50 New
    0
    The decay of the Soviet system, for which Khrushchev must be “thanked” for all, gave rise to those who categorically did not want to work or live in a Soviet way.
    "- Give me a crown here. - Please! She's too big for you. Cakes, then? Yeah. Hey, guards! That's what, guys, cut off his head. Tuney. Yeah, that's possible." / f "Vovka in the distant kingdom"
  • Strashila
    Strashila 30 June 2020 15: 59 New
    +8
    If desired, there was always the opportunity to earn extra money, although this was not welcome. Mostly earned students and seniors. In those days, as my dad says, he walked out of the gate, go into any one and there will be work for you, just do not be lazy. Work in one place was encouraged, in the form of a bonus for long service, the 13th salary for the year.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 30 June 2020 16: 03 New
    11
    In the USSR there was a distribution system, when there was a shortage of specialists, they were always sent from other regions, and now it is easier to close a medical institution, a school, a rural recreation center, etc., the answer is "optimization".
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 09: 57 New
      -4
      You are not quite right in looking at these processes. Optimizations and other enlargements and reductions are caused mainly not by the insidious plot of the vile liberals, but by the growth of labor productivity. These processes began under the king. Although then they were in a still very weak initial state. And they began to gain strength under Stalin when industrialization and collectivization began.
  • smaug78
    smaug78 30 June 2020 16: 36 New
    -10
    ч
    It is not surprising that the famous decree "On the fight against parasites", which some mournful gentlemen bring down to the heap of "Stalinist repressions", was adopted in 1961 under Khrushchev. By the way, in places where, as they say, Makar did not drive calves, according to him, over the next three years, 37 thousand people were exiled! Nikita Sergeich
    And how many laws on delay were planted according to Stalin. Delusional article that does not match the title ...
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 30 June 2020 18: 48 New
      +2
      smaug78 (Boris) Today, 16:36
      The law on criminal liability for absenteeism, tardiness and unauthorized departure from work was adopted in June 1940.
      From that moment on, absenteeism without good reason, as well as a delay of more than 20 minutes (equating absenteeism) were punished with correctional labor for a period of six months with deduction of a quarter of wages in favor of the state. Basically, the punishment was served at the place of work. That is, de facto it came down to a fine of a quarter of the monthly salary, which the offender paid for six months every month. However, if during the period of serving the sentence a person again allowed absenteeism or being late, this was considered an attempt to evade the assigned punishment and the culprit served the remaining term of punishment already in prison.
      According to some estimates, over 16 million people have been punished under it over the 3 years of the existence of this law. Most of them escaped with correctional labor at the place of work. In April 1956, the law was repealed.

      A source: https://zelv.ru/interesnye-fakty/79980-9-samyh-zhestokih-i-neobychnyh-zakonov-sovetskogo-soyuza.html


      Guess why such a law was passed?
      By this time, it became quite clear that a new war could not be avoided, and the industry was transferred to a "war track".

      By the way.
      My grandmother, being a "snotty girl" - a graduate of a road technical school, commanding a brigade of such "prisoners" (they were called "pointers") built border field airfields. There I met the beginning of the war.
      1. smaug78
        smaug78 30 June 2020 19: 28 New
        0
        Dear, I did not write about the reasons for adopting the law, but about the number of convicts under this law, which was an order of magnitude higher than the number of convicts under Khrushchev, about whom the author cries so much.
        By the end of 1941, 5 workers and employees had already been convicted of self-willed and absenteeism, truants had 121 million sentences. In some industrial enterprises, 840 to 4 percent of all workers were convicted of absenteeism without good reason.
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 30 June 2020 21: 58 New
          0
          Quote: smaug78
          Dear, I did not write about the reasons for adopting the law, but about the number of convicts under this law, which was an order of magnitude higher than the number of convicts under Khrushchev, about whom the author cries so much.
          By the end of 1941, 5 workers and employees had already been convicted of self-willed and absenteeism, truants had 121 million sentences. In some industrial enterprises, 840 to 4 percent of all workers were convicted of absenteeism without good reason.


          Thanks for the "food for thought".

          And so, let's start "debriefing". The quote you quoted "about 5 million convicted by the end of 1941", with a high degree of probability has as its "primary source" the article "Slave Labor" by a certain Elizaveta Gorodischeva, posted on the portal "Lenta.ru" on June 26, 2020
          * see: https://lenta.ru/articles/2020/06/26/labour/

          Here are just "tsiferki do not beat."
          The figure "5 121 840 workers and employees" is contained in the document
          "Information from the USSR Prosecutor’s Office to V. M. Molotov, G. M. Malenkov, A. Ya. Vyshinsky on the number of convicts by orders of June 26, 1940 and December 26, 1941 on April 6, 1943"

          * see: http://docs.historyrussia.org/en/nodes/49407#mode/inspect/page/1/zoom/6

          - And true as of January 1, 1943. Feel the difference? The end of 1941 or the beginning of 1943?
          And as I quoted above, << Most of the sentence was served at the place of work. That is, de facto, it all boiled down to a fine in the amount of a quarter of the monthly salary, which the offender paid for six months every month. >>. But in fact, the amount of deductions could be lower.

          Shl. The figure of "3 million convicted in 16 years", from the quote I have cited, is also doubtful (the sick is small). The figure of "18 million in 16 years" looks more realistic. These figures are quoted by Kommersant.
          * see: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1353083
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 10: 01 New
          -1
          I hope you understand what caused these measures under Stalin? Although of course they are extremely doubtful in terms of compliance with communist declarations. And to put it mildly, I don’t really like it. But here it is when the choice is the lack of choice.
    2. tatra
      tatra 30 June 2020 19: 28 New
      +2
      The enemies of the Communists are amazing people, they believe that they have the right to commit crimes, violate laws, rules, and no one has the right to punish them.
      1. smaug78
        smaug78 30 June 2020 19: 36 New
        -4
        Dear, I highly recommend studying
        maybe then you will not write nonsense
        1. tatra
          tatra 30 June 2020 19: 42 New
          -3
          I, unlike the enemies of the Communists, just have logic. And according to this logic, if you do not want to be punished for violating the LAW, do not violate it.
          1. smaug78
            smaug78 30 June 2020 19: 47 New
            -2
            You don’t have logic, as well as the ability to understand the text ... Although all this is cheers for patriots, like you, replaces brandishing with cheers, in this you are no different from liberals.
            1. tatra
              tatra 30 June 2020 19: 53 New
              0
              If you can’t write anything but stupid criticism, don’t write.
              1. smaug78
                smaug78 30 June 2020 20: 28 New
                +1
                Let's go from the other side: Do you disagree with the author of the article and think that few people were convicted under Khrushchev's "Law on Parasitism"?
  • Bear040
    Bear040 30 June 2020 17: 06 New
    12
    Everything is relative. Given the number of frankly inadequate offers from employers that I have had in the last 2 years, I would consider forcible referral to such work fascism. They have been talking about this subject for a long time - A working person should not be poor or poor, he should be well off. My father in the USSR received 250 rubles (1985), his mother 170 rubles, with a rent of 3 rubles. Calculate what percentage of your salary you are currently spending on rent and how far it is from what it was in the USSR.
    1. tatra
      tatra 30 June 2020 18: 55 New
      +3
      Well, those who seized Russia in their anti-Soviet Perestroika, and redistributed the incomes of the country and the people in their favor, contemptuously throw to the people "you envy us, you are poor, because you are lazy and drunkards, you have to work." And they have exactly the same contemptuous attitude towards the people in the Russian Empire. For them, people are only rich and noble parasites on the neck of the people.
    2. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 30 June 2020 19: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Bear040
      My father in the USSR received 250 rubles (1985), my mother 170 rubles, with a rent of 3 rubles. Calculate what percentage of your salary you are currently spending on rent and how far it is from what it was in the USSR.

      To me, to the 70's. Apparently, I am the same age as your parents. So, I can add a couple of words to this topic. I do not give any evaluative characteristics. For information only.
      You are absolutely right and the ride on the tram 3 kopecks, and soda in the machine 1 kopecks, and electricity 4 kopecks. per kWh. and potatoes in the store 8 kopecks per kilo ... Pure truth.

      Here are just a pair of shoes, eerie look, factory "Skorokhod" - leatherette on micro-pore - 45 rubles. Leather - 70. Imported, if you managed to buy it in a store - 90, by acquaintance - 120-150. Decent women's shoes started from 100-120, boots 150 and above, you still had to get it.

      Men's suit, the fabric is good, but the model is lousy, the color is "not easily soiled" - 70-80. they were embarrassed to wear. In stores, the shelves were crammed with them. We bought a fabric (then it was called “to pick up fabric”), a good one had to be “caught” by running around the shops (in big cities, but in small cities, it’s generally a problem) and standing in lines or “getting” a “piece of fabric” by familiarity. They went with him to the custom tailoring studio. There, too, there is a queue for a couple of months. (Skip-the-line, on acquaintance, for a fee.) Having handed over the fabric and paid extra for the "butt" - the edging, lining, buttons, for sewing, this is still about 70-80 rubles. A good suit could cost 300 rubles. The same story was with a demi-season and winter coat - 100, (there is nothing to look at) 180, already better, but you need to "catch".

      It was harder for women. I don’t even want to tell you what they had to write eight in the air so as not to sew a scarf from a cotton or viscose, but something decent to have a look. In the shops of the finished dress hung completely sucks. There was simply nothing to buy. No, they didn’t go naked. All the time I had to get out. Lingerie, generally a separate story ...

      It was easier with children. Simple shoes 5-15, sneakers 4 rubles. Sports suit for physical education - 6-8. School uniforms 12-16 rubles. Until the age of 13-14, they were altered to them - they were "faced" - old suits and coats were unstitched, washed in mustard (the fabrics were then of good quality) and sewn. I got my first "real" suit at the prom, and my coat - after the army. When we got older, problems already began.

      TV 300-350, tape recorder 140-250, refrigerator 400-600, folding ottoman 400, wall - 800 -1000. The stores were recorded in the queue. It was not in free sale. Acquaintance + 100-200 rubles.

      Apartments for rent - students 70 kopecks - 1 rub per day. An apartment for a young couple - from 120-150 per month. Cooperative apartment 8 -000.

      To all this, it should be added that by the beginning of the 80s the minimum wage was 62 rubles 50 kopecks. Usually, the "working grid" started from 70 rubles. Cleaners, librarians, nannies in kindergartens, etc. received so much. There were a lot of people on such salaries. Of course, they paid more at the factory, and even more at the military factories. In remote and northern regions of the USSR, a "coefficient" of 1,2 -1,5 - 1,7 was paid.
      1. Bear040
        Bear040 30 June 2020 19: 28 New
        +5
        The lines were for something very fashionable, for example for foreign gear. I remember Soviet shoes, I can’t say that it’s very uncomfortable, but a bit heavy, because of the rubber sole, which however didn’t burst, like on today's shoes. Children's shoes and clothes were much more affordable and cheaper than today, when children's shoes cost the same how many boots are 44 sizes per adult male. And in the USSR, shoes were produced, for example, 42,5 ... or 43,5 ... in size, which made it possible to choose more comfortable shoes that sit better on the foot. A TV still costs about 20 - 50000 rubles, which is not cheap, but every TV do not buy a day. A rent of 3 rubles a month, even with a cleaning salary of 60 rubles, is better than a rent of 3500 - 7500 rubles with a salary of 12000 rubles from a cleaning lady today. By the way, I’ve been looking for a cure for myself recently and I can say with all responsibility that there is a shortage Russia has not got rid today! All just by pulling, or looking with dogs, long and hard. The price of medicines also pleased 3500 - 7500 rubles per pack, and this is for a month, not counting other medicines. In general, I gave 30000 rubles to the pharmacy, and for those who have a salary of 12000 rubles today, at such prices for medicines, we can only die or commit suicide in order to suffer less before death.
      2. tatra
        tatra 30 June 2020 19: 35 New
        +2
        A very long commentary, but clearly demonstrating the priorities of the Soviet and anti-Soviet people on the territory of the USSR. The Soviet people believed that it was necessary to produce domestic products, then there would be guaranteed work for everyone, and wages, and children would be fed. And the anti-Soviet people believe that there is no need for domestic production, there is no need to provide jobs and wages as a means of coexistence of their fellow citizens. You just need to export natural resources and raw materials from your country, and buy up imported goods and products with export money. And for what will happen next, for the anti-Soviet people "even a flood after us."
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 10: 17 New
        -5
        Telling everyone about this, of course, you understand how and in what conditions the majority of the world's population lived at that time? Actually, even now this part does not live much better. The fact that everything was not so good is a fact, the fact that the Soviet system, having failed to reach the necessary parameters, was heading towards collapse. But one thing is not clear when at last I will see in people a less objective view of history. And the Israelis are probably almost the first.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 1 July 2020 10: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Telling everyone about this, of course, you understand how and in what conditions the majority of the world's population lived at that time? Actually, even now this part does not live much better. The fact that everything was not so good is a fact, the fact that the Soviet system, having failed to reach the necessary parameters, was heading towards collapse. But one thing is not clear when at last I will see in people a less objective view of history. And the Israelis are probably almost the first.

          My comment, as I warned, does not contain scientific evaluative characteristics. It contains only my personal opinion, but the prices are in fact. It does not compare the cost of goods and services in the USSR at that time and "most of the world's population at that time." You, perhaps, already understood then that "the Soviet system, having failed to reach the required parameters, was rolling towards collapse." I, in the mid-70s, was a little over twenty years old and I did not understand this.
          Where did you find bias?
          Where did the Israelis strike you?
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 10: 51 New
            -1
            Quote: A. Privalov
            My comment, as I warned, does not contain evaluative characteristics.

            I read it carefully. But at the same time I saw once again the facts against and did not see - for.
            Quote: A. Privalov
            Where did you find bias?
            Where did the Israelis strike you?

            What do I have to do with it personally? And why did the USSR so shame on the Israelites that it did not have a Pale of Settlement or that they were not considered second-class people as elsewhere in the world? Underline whatever applicable.
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 1 July 2020 11: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              But at the same time I saw once again the facts against and did not see - for.

              Accept my sincere condolences! hi

              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              And why did the USSR so shame on the Israelites that it did not have a Pale of Settlement or that they were not considered second-class people as elsewhere in the world? Underline whatever applicable.

              Shit? Well what are you! You see, times are hard. Disruptions in the blood of Christian babies began, the water began to run out in the tap, and so the Jews went to distant lands. yes

              I will not say anything for the NKVD and the MGB. I did not find the first, at the time of the second - I was small. But the KGB is my home. So, what about oppression, it's all a lie and a blood libel! It was a blessing for me to visit this venerable establishment. I still remember the comrades from the fifth administration with trepidation - dearest people. yes

              I hope for myself that at least everything in your water is fine in person.
              For sim, let me take my leave.
              Accept, etc.
              I dare not hold back anymore. hi
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 11: 46 New
                -1
                Quote: A. Privalov
                Accept my sincere condolences!

                Privalov, I beg you. Here it is about 3 pennies per ride on the tram is tears. Which dried up before they rolled out of their eyes. Of course, I understand that I’m sometimes harsh for the average layman exaggerate, but .. laughing
                Quote: A. Privalov
                I hope for myself that at least everything in your water is fine in person.

                There were attempts, but world Zionism was defeated in the battle with the Russian patriotic water supply. Of course, I understand that this is very itchy, but it’s better not to scratch it.laughing
    3. smaug78
      smaug78 30 June 2020 19: 33 New
      0
      Now you just have to calculate how much of the real RFP the state kept to ensure low housing and communal services prices, retirement, etc. ... At the same time, I agree that in terms of social services. Soviet policy on the head of the towers of modern Russia.
      1. Bear040
        Bear040 30 June 2020 19: 35 New
        +5
        Well, count who keeps how much, in the USSR with a salary of a cleaner at 60 rubles a month and a rent of 3 rubles a month, or in Russia with a salary of a cleaner at 12000 rubles a month and a rent of 3500 - 7500 rubles a month, depending from the time of year.
  • Joker62
    Joker62 30 June 2020 18: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Far In
    It seems so to you. A good supplier was worth its weight in gold. Between coffee pots dangled on business trips, mom do not worry

    This supplier, wandered around the country to get a deficit of the necessary materials and nomenclature for production .... But the deficit was created by the same people, only in profile ...
  • zenion
    zenion 30 June 2020 18: 31 New
    +3
    It was not enough. A work colleague said that there was such a principle, the salary should be such that a working man should have such a salary that he could provide for his family, and his wife should be engaged in raising children and create conditions for productive work. And he began to work in 1938. In addition, he completed courses at DOSAAF and from the first day of the war until the last day of the war was a tanker. There was something to fight for.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 30 June 2020 18: 31 New
    0
    For that fought for it and ran.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 30 June 2020 18: 46 New
    +2
    According to exit polls 70% per. I will not speak For or Not. It’s just that the GDP is being ugly with it.
  • Van 16
    Van 16 30 June 2020 19: 00 New
    +5
    "The threat of being left without work and losing their livelihood really did not face any Soviet person."

    Confidence in tomorrow is not an empty phrase.
  • Old26
    Old26 30 June 2020 19: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    In addition to good suppliers in these offices, there were plenty of professional pants cleaners. As it was with us in an airline, 5 to 7 people actually plowed, the rest imitated work.

    There were a lot of pants wipers in all organizations. And in KB, and in institutes, and in all these "Zagotsnabknopkasbyt". There were three categories everywhere - leaders who worked not out of fear, but out of conscience. The middle ones - who just worked and there were those who actually wiped their pants (skirts) ...

    Quote: Dalny V
    Definitely good

    I don’t know, a small amount of unemployment would not be harmful at all. And it was sometimes difficult to fire such a pants cleaner. The trade union committee immediately stood up for him. local committee, party or Komsomol organization. And these "wipers" had no fear of being out of work ...

    Quote: carstorm 11
    a good supplier is 95 percent of the connection actually. not the ability to work. communication and dating. and where do they get them first? in high school. which means that the university should be at least prestigious. so what?

    Communication for the supplier was the main thing. Connections and acquaintances, but not "paw" and "prestigious university". And a good supplier of these acquaintances and connections gained for years ... Even without being a supplier for a working connection and acquaintances gave a lot. For example, I have worked in the printing industry for almost 25 years. And before the moment of retirement, he could solve many issues much easier, faster and sometimes cheaper than others. Because there were connections and acquaintances. I picked up the phone, agreed and that's it ...

    Quote: carstorm 11
    for subtleties there is a jur department. but to bring someone to this level, connections are needed. customers. database. they are not taken from the air.

    It now has all these legal departments. There was no legal department at the plant. There was a lawyer who monitored the cleanliness of the agreements concluded. And the supplier solved many problems himself, using his contacts and acquaintances

    Quote: Uncle Lee
    The main thing is that the specialist was guaranteed a job, which means a decent salary and a bunch of extra buns.

    The job was guaranteed. Salary too, but about decent and goodies ... I would not be so sure. If you have a diploma and come to production (in design bureaus, for example), then while you and anyone else are still at the lowest rung (no category), the salary is the same for everyone. And the one who is "ace" and the one who sits his time from 8 to 17. Then - yes, those who plow could get a category earlier, but won 10-15-20 rubles in salary. In addition, there was not only a wage fund, but also a staffing table. And the leader could not pay you more at the expense of another "unit". So they tried to fill the shata so that next year they would not cut it off.

    Quote: Far In
    Yes, and the distribution after the tower, although it is ostracized by some today, I will call good. Especially for our northern regions

    Here is the distribution - it really was a blessing. You were guaranteed that you would have a job, regardless of whether you have experience or not. And now sometimes people are needed, but needed with experience. And how to gain experience, if without experience you are not taken

    Quote: Far In
    No one crammed into Chukotka from Sevastopol. Close regions were considered, what are you talking about? Not, well, if there were people who wanted it (and I met them myself), then we were distributed from Belarus to us in Primorye. Why not? Are we here lepers stole?

    Do not tell. I can say that my friend, having graduated from a university in Novocherkassk, got EMNIP in Nadym (this is the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, almost 3000 km)
    About those who wish. Of course, there were those who wanted to, but the distribution system was, let's say, "voluntary-compulsory". Someone was left at the department or someone had a "relationship" from the organizations where they had their internship (most often pre-graduation). The excellent students were the first to choose, but those who were middle peasants were assigned "where they would be sent." And of course, according to the distribution, graduates had to work for EMNIP for 3 years. Then free and look for a place yourself.

    Quote: Far In
    Well, tell me about the Far East, huh))) After Moscow and Peter, do you know where the strongest journalism was? In the Magadan region. Why? Five years - a cooperative in Moscow, a garage, a car. Do not treat me, not worth it. I've been living here all my life.

    You have taken a too specific profession. But an ordinary engineer could get the same buns as a journalist ??? I think that is unlikely.

    Quote: Stock Officer
    Work provides a livelihood. So what to ask - is it good or not?
    Moreover, there was enough work in the USSR, I don’t remember something unemployment. I am born in 1961. In summer, we, schoolchildren, went to look for jobs so that our parents did not ask for money. My first job was at a fish farm (Magadan Oblast), then I was 14 years old. Earned 70 rubles a month - and was happy.

    There was no unemployment. Or maybe it was necessary to let it be small, but it should be?

    Quote: ROSS 42
    I dare to object to the fact that a person should have a choice of profession by vocation. Only in this case labor brings joy and spiritual satisfaction.
    Vocational education in the USSR, the higher education system gave this opportunity. Ask any person who has studied and worked in the USSR. All this slander on the Soviet power is low slander. Not only was the person given the opportunity to learn the skills of a future profession, he was also paid a scholarship.
    Zolotar, the orderly of the morgue and a number of other specialties are paid high. You can earn. One pity - not all people have a vocation for such work.

    It’s hard to disagree with you here. Although the university workers themselves believed that the higher education system in the USSR had to be modernized. After all, as it was. A man entered the institute, unlearned a couple of years and realized that this was not his. How to proceed further? The Soviet higher education system did not give such an answer
  • Freeman
    Freeman 30 June 2020 19: 03 New
    +1
    AS Ivanov. (Andrey) Today, 15:47
    all sorts of fucking supplies

    Quote: Far In
    A good supplier was worth its weight in gold. Between coffee pots dangled on business trips, mom do not worry

    Quote: Svetlana
    a good supplier is a 95 percent connection actually
    Communication is far from the first place. On the first - the ability to be charming and convincing. Skill roll. This is not what everyone gets ...

    I confirm. Oh, and the hard and most harmful work was the Soviet supplier.


    Shl. But, as for me, this version of M. Zhvanetsky's story, albeit in an audio version, is much more complete and better than the miniature "Fitil", filmed "based on".
    How the imagination "plays" presenting the "picture" when listening to this recording. laughing
  • flicker
    flicker 30 June 2020 19: 18 New
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    General employment in the USSR: good or forced?

    Is water a blessing or a flood? Is fire a blessing or a fire?
    ---
    The medicine for the poison is different in dosage.
  • iouris
    iouris 30 June 2020 19: 35 New
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    After there are two generations of non-working and non-serving citizens, everyone will understand to tears what the advantage of employment in the USSR is.
  • Ajevgenij
    Ajevgenij 30 June 2020 19: 38 New
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    What is the beauty of post-capitalism is the everyday fear of losing a job, as well as the quiet coercion of an employer to work overtime. Then I recalled the story of my grandfather, who had been captured by the Nazis for several months. So there the Nazis strictly watched that after the announcement - the work was a kaput, all at once they threw cars, pickaxe shovels.
    something like this...
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 July 2020 14: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Ajevgenij
      there the Nazis strictly watched that after the announcement - the work of kaput, all immediately threw cars, pickaxe shovels

      No, well, it’s somehow too much.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 30 June 2020 20: 12 New
    +2
    Google "Shame on the parasite Brodsky". Sewed up the case. As a result, there is one less Nobel Prize winner in the USSR. And in the US, one more.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2020 10: 23 New
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      You know, I don’t see much loss for the country from the presence of this winner. To me, his work is somehow not very. For me, the big loss is moving Gelfand.
    2. iouris
      iouris 1 July 2020 14: 25 New
      +1
      Simply parasites from the USSR to the USA became Nobel laureates. Not only ours: Obama doesn't even understand whose.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 1 July 2020 17: 43 New
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        Quote: iouris
        Obama is generally unclear whose.

        Kenyan. No wonder he pulled for 2 years with the publication of his birth certificate until it was fabricated.
      2. Alf
        Alf 1 July 2020 23: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: iouris
        Obama is generally unclear whose.

        And it is not known for what.
  • evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
    evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 30 June 2020 20: 18 New
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    The laws of any adequate state FOR PEOPLE should be guided by the Law of God. obliged (ideally) to listen to the Creator. This is logical and logical, clear and distinct.
    And what does the Creator say about parasitism? ,, If you do not work then do not eat ,,. What's not clear?
    The world's first state of workers and peasants was founded and built by the ORTHODOX PEOPLE. Students and graduates of central vocational schools, theological schools and seminaries, millions of those who studied and were evaluated in the subject, “God's Law”. So that there they would not impose, but to and b, in the person of, Trotsky-Bronstein and Co. ,,. By the way, the ice ax - as a “final decision” for these ,, figures ”- is also very Russian. ,, Earn - get it! ,,
    With Lenin, his father was a REAL Orthodox person, a responsible Christian. And Volodya Ulyanov, thanks to his upbringing in the family, thanks to the influence of his environment, had a strong Orthodox foundation in his soul. Over the years of youth, over the years of active service of the Revolution, he is definitely something different. The foundation, however, how are you lost? Once in prison, for example, he recalled the Chief and did not hesitate to baptize the little head ...
    Stalin generally had no formal education other than a spiritual one. He was a graduate of the Gori Theological College, later studied at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, which he was not allowed to finish.
    How could PEOPLE build a state to God contrary?
    They showed the whole world a way out of the historical impasse into which the bourgeois Satanists drove it, vigorously dividing the homo sapiens at one time into dexterous and successful losers and working losers. Calculated, cunning, handsome, the whole world on, first-second ,, ... Crimes are the worst! What Putin’s discoveries are there about WWII ... As one of the heroes, Brother-2, said there:: ,, They will answer me for Sevastopol! ,, The imperialists (the grandfathers of today's world ,, globalist-Satanists ,,) have not really answered for the First World War. Who will make this ... money return to the victims ?! Millions ,, ists ,,. And, the defendants are well known.
    Why are England, Japan, France, Germany, the Czech Republic, the United States not paying, compensation, to Russia for their, pranks, on the territory of our country, for the intervention of 1918-22?
    Socialism and its achievements are an outlet for the whole world. World Heritage. They taught everyone, they told everyone. Gave a DREAM, taught to fly. And now, there’s more socialism, for example, in the United States than in the current strange and stupid, capitalist Russia
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  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 30 June 2020 20: 37 New
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    Quote: tatra
    And why in the USSR, in contrast to post-Soviet Russia, for decades the former State was not discussed every day? Why did the Bolshevik communists and their supporters not slander those from whom they took the country away, did not criticize how they worked and fought? And because they gave the country and the majority of the people more and better than the Romanovs and the bourgeoisie gave. And the enemies of the USSR, who seized the republics of the USSR, are only capable of destroying, ditching, taking away from the country and the people, therefore slandering the USSR with maniacal criticism "how bad, ineffective, these scoops and commies worked and fought", they have the only one in 30 years justification of their capture of the USSR.

    The USSR only reached the economy of the Russian Empire in some respects by 70, and we still cannot catch up with some
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 30 June 2020 20: 56 New
    +2
    For me, work was forced, when I didn’t go well at work. It was rare. And the rest of the time I, like everyone else, worked. My father taught me from childhood - "Eyes are afraid, but hands do." I remember 45 years of work.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 30 June 2020 21: 50 New
    +1
    It’s not important who did what kind of work, but the main thing is that the whole population was busy and lived in abundance, no one ever thought that he would eat tomorrow where he would live, and compared to today it was a paradise for ordinary working people who were and are the basis of our the state
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 30 June 2020 22: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: vavilon
      the population was occupied

      This is a good point.
      Quote: vavilon
      lived in abundance

      That you grabbed too much.
      Quote: vavilon
      and compared to today, it was a paradise for ordinary working people who were and are the foundation of our state

      Again they had enough, but they are right that ordinary working people were more protected and had better prospects than in modern Russia.
  • Old26
    Old26 30 June 2020 22: 35 New
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    Quote: vavilon
    It’s not important who did what kind of work, but the main thing is that the whole population was busy and lived in abundance, no one ever thought that he would eat tomorrow where he would live, and compared to today it was a paradise for ordinary working people who were and are the basis of our the state

    The division by income was under socialism. The entire population is busy - yes, lived in abundance? Not. Not starving, but to say that everyone lived in abundance is also impossible. Socialism had both pros and cons. The state very clearly regulated many aspects of everyday life.
  • Nikolai Korovin
    Nikolai Korovin 1 July 2020 02: 08 New
    +2
    In science there were a lot of fans of IDB - "imitation of violent activity". The fisherman sees the fisherman from afar, and they very cleverly united in order to make those who really wanted to work and loved work to work for themselves. "Fools love work." The man seemed to have passed the checkpoint and indicated his presence at the workplace. But hell, you'll find him before the end of the working day. Maybe it will flicker all the same, or maybe it won't deign. There were ways. The collective solidarity of lazy people flourished in a kind of serious organization. Someone skimmed slowly, while others defiantly. Something nonsense could still be entrusted to a netting one, but demonstratively, it would be better not to come at all. Shit for a distraction from rest.
    "It is not a place that paints a person, but a person a place." Here he will receive a place, paint in all the colors of the rainbow, and on this he considers his function completed. And fuck you take him by the gills.
    1. doubovitski
      doubovitski 2 July 2020 02: 01 New
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      Quote: Nikolai Korovin
      In science there were a lot of fans of IDB - "imitation of violent activity". The fisherman sees the fisherman from afar, and they very cleverly united in order to make those who really wanted to work and loved work to work for themselves. "Fools love work." The man seemed to have passed the checkpoint and indicated his presence at the workplace. But hell, you'll find him before the end of the working day. Maybe it will flicker all the same, or maybe it won't deign. There were ways. The collective solidarity of lazy people flourished in a kind of serious organization. Someone skimmed slowly, while others defiantly. Something nonsense could still be entrusted to a netting one, but demonstratively, it would be better not to come at all. Shit for a distraction from rest.
      "It is not a place that paints a person, but a person a place." Here he will receive a place, paint in all the colors of the rainbow, and on this he considers his function completed. And fuck you take him by the gills.

      On the walls of the shops hung posters - "Today is the record, tomorrow is the norm". Think about if it's a terrible thing. A paralyzing future. Such a smart guy works, honestly earns on a Zhiguli. Makes two rates. And the neighbors in the shop, as they used to. But the workshop is the same, the machines are the same, the details are almost the same, or even the same. Everyone has. And so, the Department of Labor and Wages, fulfilling the instructions of the Party and the Government, takes care of increasing labor productivity. Look, what the hell, do double norms, it turns out, it is POSSIBLE. Work orders go through them every month. And they call the Chief Technologist and make him look. He returns to his place and puts technologists on the carpet according to the type of work. Those revise the operating modes of the equipment, and here's the result - champion standards become a duty for everyone. What to do? Of course, stuff him in the face. In the underpass. And in order not to tie a scuffle with them, they solder their friends. Those seem to have no motive. They cannot be blamed or found.
      1. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 2 July 2020 09: 39 New
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        The situation in the workshop is clear. A science lab with a pretty tough plan is a slightly different matter. There are 25 people in the laboratory. Of these, 7-8 people actually work. The rest stupidly sit on their neck - they drink tea, intrigue, arrange personal affairs, stagger somewhere, regardless of the mode of the object. It is very problematic to force them to work with acids, pour kerosene on the disk of a machine for polishing single-crystal substrates, wash the vacuum chamber, or even do something with your hands. And just bored. I’m not talking about the contribution to mental work. So I had a group - 5 young specialists of several different ages and a laboratory assistant. The only thing they deserved was unemployment benefits. Well, one nevertheless tried to do something like doing sometimes, but he was completely armless. Eye yes eye. But on the other hand, they were all aware of the upcoming changes in the economy and settled perfectly from the first day, or even somewhat in advance. In banks, flasks and so on. Technical intelligentsia, push it into a swing. Well, of course, this is still not a creative intelligentsia with its unbridled claims. So, quiet saboteurs.
        True, I must say that this situation was, of course, not everywhere. I graduated from the institute in 1978, and it seemed to me that I got into this cesspool with promotion in 1985. Before that I saw several other species, although there were also problems in the assay tent. But I know that there were also places where lazy people were even more comfortable.
      2. Campanella
        Campanella 2 July 2020 11: 44 New
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        These are system errors. And for the most part, leaders who were not aware or quite consciously followed them.
        I worked at the Central Design Bureau and we didn’t have such things.
  • Kelwin
    Kelwin 1 July 2020 02: 33 New
    +1
    At the indicated time, I was in school and vocational school, the 76th year, but, despite the mass of moments, I consider the return of control over the doloters to be justified. Who does not work, he fells the forest. Do not produce goods voluntarily - mine uranium in a goat crack. Everything is honest, like a common fund, forgive me readers. As a result, return the article for parasitism and state control over employment.
    1. doubovitski
      doubovitski 2 July 2020 01: 30 New
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      Quote: KelWin
      At the indicated time, I was in school and vocational school, the 76th year, but, despite the mass of moments, I consider the return of control over the doloters to be justified. Who does not work, he fells the forest. Do not produce goods voluntarily - mine uranium in a goat crack. Everything is honest, like a common fund, forgive me readers. As a result, return the article for parasitism and state control over employment.

      These individuals must work in isolation from normal. If we again combine the collective farms that were lagging and drunk with the advanced workers, then some do not start working, while others stop working. Subsidies to the manufacturer? In no case. Why do more and better if at the same time subsidies are removed. You have corns on your hands, and you get the same amount of money, or even less. Grants must be received by the BUYER. How? Through counting and approval, as well as a constant increase in the value of the shopping basket. In line with inflation and price fluctuations.
      What it is? Avot: calculate how much food you need for a month. EVERY member of the family, how many clothes, services, accommodation, and so on. From here calculate the minimum wage. Next month, if prices jump, raise. Then anyone buy food as much as necessary, at any price. And will not starve. And everyone and everyone will buy that product, which is both good and cheaper. Hence, a loafer and no wits, go broke first, and a real hard worker, craftsman, of course, will sell his goods. This is a competition, and a filter loafers.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 2 July 2020 08: 58 New
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        Well, the same military man works like this: first he receives an order, then he takes a loan to carry it out. It is simply impossible to start production immediately, but money in the form of taxes is required immediately. You type function.
    2. Campanella
      Campanella 2 July 2020 11: 47 New
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      Here we revive socialism, then an article for parasitism will appear.
      And also all sorts of Venediktovs with the Solovyovs and other journalist-media-friendly riffraff will cease to receive millions for simple blah blah blah.
      I do not see such returns from them for people
  • Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 1 July 2020 05: 56 New
    +1
    And what is the alternative to universal employment? A crowd of welders. Professional loafers are an excellent breeding ground for all kinds of marginalized people and criminals. When people have too much free time on their hands and ZERO responsibility, we get the same problems that the United States faces. I mean, a huge stratum of the population that is accustomed to freebies, requires even more freebies, does not even try to look for a job (why? For a statistically unmarried woman with two children it does not make sense to go to work where they pay less than 47K a year, she gets exactly as many). Moreover, it is passed on from generation to generation: we are oppressed, we are offended by the system, you owe us all. And, of course, the level of crime among people on the welfer is an order of magnitude higher than the level of crime among people who work, while sitting on the welfer you get about 30 thousand a year in money and privileges. This is a privilege: to buy sneakers for 200 bucks for which others pay, and others will feed them, because the more children you, unfortunate, have (from different dads, as a rule), the more benefits you will receive, the oppressed, not to think about to pay for an apartment - taxes will be collected from the hard workers and they will pay. For the medical service - too, hard workers will pay, whether they want it or not, taxes from them on you, the parasite, will still rip off. Hordes of welders are nothing but criminals, and they do not make claims for privileges for themselves. Any attempts to make them work (even to clean up their own distressed regions) are perceived as "slavery, oppression and racism") Why should they study and work? Until the money they receive with allowances and subsidies. And if their subsidies are reduced, this is a guarantee that they will VOTE for your opponents, and you need it. It turns out strange, people who do not pay ANY KOPE of taxes to the treasury and do NOT produce ANYTHING for society, their voice is equal to the voice of the best surgeon, and the best of physicists, and the voice of an astronaut, or a fighter pilot. For "Democracy and Equality" if they were wrong. No, let them work better, Stakhanovian arbeiten. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his merits." And if they go to work and do not work, they will be fined mercilessly. As in the army. For laziness, they will not be thrown out of the army, but they will lower seven skins. Besides, as the Americans say, "idle minds is devils playground" ...
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 1 July 2020 11: 34 New
    +2
    I remember the years 83-87 of the last century. At the entrance to the production, construction sites, boards with announcements "required" were hung everywhere. Basically, working specialties, but engineers were also needed. There was no fear of being out of work. There was no fear of a pensioner not to find a job if he wanted to work more ... This is a huge plus of the socialist system. And in depressed regions, production facilities were specially created for the employment of the population ...
  • Mikle2000
    Mikle2000 1 July 2020 20: 21 New
    -1
    If I hire people for 2 kg of flour per day and plant those who do not work, I will defeat unemployment. Approximately this was done.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 2 July 2020 01: 01 New
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    Quote: Junger
    Nothing should be wasted on him.

    Well, look what happened in Greece and Germany when they did not pay benefits.
    people cannot wait, they want to eat and just live, and if they do not have money, they will commit any crime for the sake of survival. Therefore, it is foolish to think that the unemployed are worthless.
    It is much cheaper to feed them than to ignore and scoop up the consequences.
    Therefore, the very system that creates unemployment is very harmful to the economy.
    You try to argue to the extreme primitively from the point of view of the parasite - the non-parasite,
    but for the system this is not important. Only the degree of employment of labor resources is important.
    In the USA, this is the army of the unemployed and people who are engaged in highly productive labor, but on average this is now worse than Poland. We have horror in general, in Japan 2/3 of the able-bodied people work hard, and a third do not. and the result, although impressive, but not very. And in the USSR, the degree of involvement was very high, which is why there was an increase of 20-40% of GDP per year. How do you like the pace of construction of 5-6 large enterprises per day?
    1. doubovitski
      doubovitski 2 July 2020 02: 18 New
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      Quote: yehat2
      Quote: Junger
      Nothing should be wasted on him.

      Well, look what happened in Greece and Germany when they did not pay benefits.
      people cannot wait, they want to eat and just live, and if they do not have money, they will commit any crime for the sake of survival. Therefore, it is foolish to think that the unemployed are worthless.
      It is much cheaper to feed them than to ignore and scoop up the consequences.
      Therefore, the very system that creates unemployment is very harmful to the economy.
      You try to argue to the extreme primitively from the point of view of the parasite - the non-parasite,
      but for the system this is not important. Only the degree of employment of labor resources is important.
      In the USA, this is the army of the unemployed and people who are engaged in highly productive labor, but on average this is now worse than Poland. We have horror in general, in Japan 2/3 of the able-bodied people work hard, and a third do not. and the result, although impressive, but not very. And in the USSR, the degree of involvement was very high, which is why there was an increase of 20-40% of GDP per year. How do you like the pace of construction of 5-6 large enterprises per day?

      A normal working economy creates unemployment on purpose, but on a scale that cannot raise protests to a catastrophic level. Currently, it is about 5 .... 7%. and pay them an allowance. lest they think of revolutions. There is always, in any society, a class of people who will never, under any circumstances, begin to plow. And, sooner or later, everything will settle down. hard workers will find work. and loafers will receive their allowance. Unemployment is a whip that makes a hard worker work. So that it would not occur to him because of nonsense to go to the barricades and rob. Work gives a completely normal opportunity to live and relax, have a family and all that. Only the one who does not have a damn, he has nothing to lose. Including work.
      There was such a case. They found one unemployed person in the USA, our correspondents made films about him, and he decided that he would be better off in the USSR. I moved. They gave him an apartment in Tolyatti. Fired at the WHA. So what? married, everything is fine, it seems. But, hell, every day ..... After a couple of years, he returned to his home in the USA. The allowance there was more than his salary in the USSR. And our action with propaganda burst a soap bubble. If you are a bastard, you’ll die a bastard.
      1. doubovitski
        doubovitski 2 July 2020 02: 31 New
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        Quote: doubovitski
        Quote: yehat2
        Quote: Junger
        Nothing should be wasted on him.

        Well, look what happened in Greece and Germany when they did not pay benefits.
        people cannot wait, they want to eat and just live, and if they do not have money, they will commit any crime for the sake of survival. Therefore, it is foolish to think that the unemployed are worthless.
        It is much cheaper to feed them than to ignore and scoop up the consequences.
        Therefore, the very system that creates unemployment is very harmful to the economy.
        You try to argue to the extreme primitively from the point of view of the parasite - the non-parasite,
        but for the system this is not important. Only the degree of employment of labor resources is important.
        In the USA, this is the army of the unemployed and people who are engaged in highly productive labor, but on average this is now worse than Poland. We have horror in general, in Japan 2/3 of the able-bodied people work hard, and a third do not. and the result, although impressive, but not very. And in the USSR, the degree of involvement was very high, which is why there was an increase of 20-40% of GDP per year. How do you like the pace of construction of 5-6 large enterprises per day?

        A normal working economy creates unemployment on purpose, but on a scale that cannot raise protests to a catastrophic level. Currently, it is about 5 .... 7%. and pay them an allowance. lest they think of revolutions. There is always, in any society, a class of people who will never, under any circumstances, begin to plow. And, sooner or later, everything will settle down. hard workers will find work. and loafers will receive their allowance. Unemployment is a whip that makes a hard worker work. So that it would not occur to him because of nonsense to go to the barricades and rob. Work gives a completely normal opportunity to live and relax, have a family and all that. Only the one who does not have a damn, he has nothing to lose. Including work.
        There was such a case. They found one unemployed person in the USA, our correspondents made films about him, and he decided that he would be better off in the USSR. I moved. They gave him an apartment in Tolyatti. Fired at the WHA. So what? married, everything is fine, it seems. But, hell, every day ..... After a couple of years, he returned to his home in the USA. The allowance there was more than his salary in the USSR. And our action with propaganda burst a soap bubble. If you are a bastard, you’ll die a bastard.

        In the footsteps of old performances: Joe Mauri, a man from 5th Avenue.
        https://back-in-ussr.livejournal.com/150567.html
        Read. It is instructive.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 2 July 2020 08: 50 New
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        5-7% - in my opinion, this is already quite a lot.
      3. yehat2
        yehat2 3 July 2020 23: 46 New
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        liberoid bourgeois pseudo-economists have dirtied your brain. Review it.
        unemployment is ABNORMAL. Not a single economic system has created an army of unemployed.
        Only capitalism. And not because productivity allows you to not work - the capitalists of all the unemployed will rot away with pleasure if they are allowed to, as has already happened in India or Chicago.
        No, unemployed people appear for at least 3 reasons.
        1. capital simply does not want to effectively manage resources. They are not interested in a product, not in creating benefits to society, but in profit. It’s better to sell 1000 completely useless things, like 100 iPhone models, than 1 useful one.
        2. capital is meaningless, if there are no poor - the power of money to FORCE something is in their absence from others. Therefore, it is not the one who makes money who is rich, but the one who robs.
        3. Increased profits due to competition between employees.

        And this is absolutely nothing natural. This is a feast among the plague.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 2 July 2020 08: 54 New
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      So they are fed. The bottom line is what in the US is called "fat poverty", when people are given enough benefits to live well, but they are not busy with anything and believe that the state does not care about them. They cannot realize themselves, even if they wish.

      In Japan, there has been nothing to brag about for 20 years already, since China has taken on its role as a TV manufacturer, and so far lives on due to a more complex hi-tech.

      The degree of involvement in the USSR could not be higher; GDP growth does not make sense if the population is not even provided with basic goods.
    3. Jünger
      Jünger 2 July 2020 16: 02 New
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      Quote: yehat2
      Well, look what happened in Greece and Germany when they did not pay benefits.

      I look - the 19th century, for example.
      No one pays any benefits. And pensions too. People understand that their capital is children who will feed them in old age. Therefore, they give birth to children, they are brought up correctly, they turn around, leave for the colonies, start various profitable and not very enterprises, make scientific discoveries. Industry is developing, the economy and population are growing at a lion's pace. Against the rebels, who will always be in any situation, the army, the police, etc.
      And this is without any coercion and the Gulag. Life itself stimulates a person to action.
      And let's take the modern world order that has developed after WWII - everyone is reaching out to the government and shouting "Give". Nobody wants to give birth, to move too. Everyone needs everything at once, here and now and more. This is called socialism, which breeds degenerates and idlers.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 23: 28 New
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        Quote: Junger
        I look - the 19th century, for example.

        Read Uncle Gilai, or something.
        1. Jünger
          Jünger 2 July 2020 23: 31 New
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          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Read Uncle Gilai, or something.

          Was reading. What upset you there?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 23: 47 New
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            Quote: Junger
            What upset you there?

            Have you forgotten about the factory where people died like flies?
            1. Jünger
              Jünger 2 July 2020 23: 55 New
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              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Have you forgotten about the factory where people died like flies?

              Yes, in general, life was hard then. In England, generally tin, read Jack London. There were no antibiotics, computers. Well, I do not claim that in the 19th century there was universal grace. She never was and never will be. But some moments were wonderful.
              These people ruled the world, and their descendants kneel before the blacks.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 3 July 2020 00: 10 New
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                Quote: Junger
                In England, generally tin, read Jack London

                What exactly? Maybe Wolf Larsen? So I know him almost by heart. Or "For those who are on the way", for example? By the way, Jack London wrote a lot about Alaska, but for some reason he avoided us Russians.
                1. Jünger
                  Jünger 3 July 2020 08: 05 New
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                  Jack London "People of the Abyss"
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 2 July 2020 01: 10 New
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    In my department of the Design Bureau, which I commanded was not a big printing house. Which printed the documentation, and distributed throughout the USSR. SNIP, ENIR, and the like. Hired an offset printer. A week later, he washed down, and a month did not appear at work. It is impossible to dismiss in the absence of an employee. The work is worth it. You cannot hire another. The department staff is full. Some deadlines for sending out the work done are being overwhelmed. This is serious, the topics are covered by mailing lists to the departments of the ministry. Burning topics begin. The plan, the salary of all, and there are more than 400 of us. We went home several times. Not at home either. The police did not receive applications to search for his relatives. We do not take such applications. Finally come. I am a draft order for dismissal. The head of the personnel department says, he will go to court in a couple of months, he will be restored, and you will be paid from his salary for involuntary absenteeism. He has no reprimand.
    He had to quickly organize three reprimands, the last one strict, and only after a showdown in the trade union committee, they dismissed him.
    Or here's an example, the police bring a drunkard to work. And he is introduced into the team of masons. And he, of course. doing his favorite thing. He is paid a salary. But others work. I wonder how honest hard workers feel, their earnings fell, because part of their money is given to him? A drunk will want to work? He is already in chocolate. His task is not to skip more. than half a shift. And for lying on the sidelines they do not write truancy. Have you seen a movie about Shurik? Only, here it is impossible to flog it. The state will punish. It protects these bastards, taking away the income from these hard workers. Now the situation has improved. And so that you are not pressed in vain, become SUCH A SPECIALIST, so that without you there would be a pipe at work. Become the best, and you will steer your boss. He will do everything for you. so that you earn him loot. It is you who will feed him, and not he. I worked that way for 12 years. I didn’t come up with anything.
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 2 July 2020 11: 36 New
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      Do not exaggerate. The situation today has gone a completely different way. In Soviet times, if you are talking about him, there were enough mechanisms to keep the employee normal. The case you described is more a personnel department problem than a system. Yes, the protection of the worker in the USSR was slaughter, but it was the worker, not the parasite.
      Now there are no irreplaceable ones! If not in the country they will invite a foreign specialist for unreasonable money, the worker is not a man, but a screw of a huge machine.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 2 July 2020 08: 47 New
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    Let's just go back to the 90s and see what was then closed apart from the military, which is still so much that there are problems with the rhythm of the implementation of the state defense order, then the plant has been working hard for 10 years, then there are no orders. And closed not only what turned out to be uncompetitive in front of higher quality imports, but what produced bullshit useless even in their own country. The same "Izh" with its motorcycles, after all, not only the abundance of imports killed it, or almost killed it, I have freighter scooters of this brand, new construction here at the factory, but first of all there is no need for motorcycles in general, now any "Kawasaku" will bring, but there are very few buyers. At the same time, there were many factories in the Union that produced some kind of kerosene lamps and other nonsense. Because, as in the 1986 video, the current situation was ridiculed: "a locomotive for the driver." And factories for workers. Is it important to give apartments to workers, products for the population? And what are the benefits to the workers? We don't have capitalism to make money. So we get a state in which missiles are made, the economy plows like a jet engine on afterburner, GDP is above the roof, but you have to stand in line for diapers.

    Under a normal economy, restructuring of certain industries and the withering away of certain industries will always occur. Accordingly, there will be unemployment.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 2 July 2020 11: 22 New
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    Universal employment is good, no doubt. Especially when everyone finds a job for themselves.
    Unfortunately, not all the apologists of capitalism are aware of this, taking the work beyond the bounds of the obligatory.
    Unemployed, serve as a stimulator of special specific relations between an employee and an employer, allowing capitalists to squeeze as much out of people as possible.
    The main thing is that increasing the margin of business does not lead to progress, but rather puts humanity on the brink of survival.
    This is especially clearly seen now, when capitalism is actively littering the planet with tons of garbage and other household waste, emissions from its enterprises, and technological disasters in the dispersed pursuit of satisfying more and more hotel crowd.
    I ask you lovers of capitalism, do you like it?
    For iPhone and other rubbish, are you ready to jeopardize your life and the lives of children?
    The most interesting thing is that capitalism poisons people through successful media companies, changing their minds and making them their meek slaves!
  • Old26
    Old26 3 July 2020 01: 19 New
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    Quote: Campanella
    Yes, the protection of the worker in the USSR was slaughter, but it was the worker, not the parasite.

    He was a parasite too. One did not work at all and could earn an article for parasitism. And the other was given a job, but he did not get rid of his habits. And he was protected in the same way as an ordinary worker. Our people have always been compassionate. They came out such a parasite for a week or two to work or does nothing at work - they begin to "work out" him. Instead of giving him a reprimand. It is impossible, sorry for the person. And without three reprimands, incl. one strictly HZ how to fire him. You fire him, and he will go to court in a couple of months. So little will be restored, and even financially compensated ...

    Quote: doubovitski
    On the walls of the shops hung posters - "Today is the record, tomorrow is the norm". Think about if it's a terrible thing. A paralyzing future. Such a smart guy works, honestly earns on a Zhiguli. Makes two rates. And the neighbors in the shop, as they used to. But the workshop is the same, the machines are the same, the details are almost the same, or even the same. Everyone has. And so, the Department of Labor and Wages, fulfilling the instructions of the Party and the Government, takes care of increasing labor productivity. Look, what the hell, do double norms, it turns out, it is POSSIBLE. Work orders go through them every month. And they call the Chief Technologist and make him look. He returns to his place and puts technologists on the carpet according to the type of work. Those revise the operating modes of the equipment, and here's the result - champion standards become a duty for everyone. What to do? Of course, stuff him in the face. In the underpass. And in order not to tie a scuffle with them, they solder their friends. Those seem to have no motive. They cannot be blamed or found.

    I have one friend, by the way, a technologist said that such leaders who, without changing anything, do 2-3 plans, should not be hung up on the board of honor, but planted like a bungler. Some percent could be gained by fulfilling the plan by 105-110%, but by 200% - this meant that such a "hard worker" drives the marriage
    1. agond
      agond 3 July 2020 08: 41 New
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      Quote: EvilLion
      Under a normal economy, restructuring of certain industries and the withering away of certain industries will always occur. Accordingly, there will be unemployment.

      In a normal economy, there are no sudden restructures in industries with the withering away of production, everything happens gradually and there can be no unemployment for this reason
      But the drummers’s breeders didn’t get them anywhere and now it’s full, but any optimization of production is fraudulent
  • yehat2
    yehat2 3 July 2020 23: 54 New
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    Quote: EvilLion
    In Japan, 20 years nothing to brag about

    Japan has been in a severe financial crisis for 20 years, under which the Americans brought it through the IMF, bringing down all the main financial instruments of investment.
    Imagine when the strong jaws just pulled out teeth.
    They can still chew, but very slowly and carefully. This is the condition Japan is in,
    quietly spending previously accumulated potential.
    For us, the Americans now arrange such a collapse through exchanges, international institutions and agents of influence in the government regularly, almost every year, but our economy does not die because resource sources of income are too tenacious, everything else has already died. And the Japanese had 1 time. So think about it when you talk about the effectiveness of the economy.
  • Alexey Polyakh
    Alexey Polyakh 4 July 2020 08: 13 New
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    DESIRING (and prescribed) - Land, 20 acres (2000 sq.m. (two thousand square meters)) - to each adult Citizen. Muscovite - in MOSCOW. A resident of St. Petersburg - in PETERSBURG. Etc. Land, in the amount of 1 (one) piece, with the possibility of exchange for other cities. For the construction of a house and the arrangement of gardening ... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications ....