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We erected a man-made monument for ourselves ...

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We erected a man-made monument for ourselves ...

For all the events of June, we somehow missed the front page of such a landmark event as the grand opening of the main army church in Alabino.


A very interesting thing in the light of all the recent events, and here's why.

To begin with, I just want to ask a question: for what and for whom is this temple?


The answer is hidden. The water in the oblast is dark ...

Let's think? Let's. The temple is primarily a parish. A parish without a temple is not good. A temple without a parish is stupid. The essence of any temple is service. In redemption required. In working with the flock, for the flock and so on.

Here is the map. From which it becomes clear that the only nearby inhabited places, excluding the military training grounds of Kubinka and Alabino, are the village of Petelino and garden cooperatives. Petelino has its own church.


To expect so many flocks from there so that this religious building would at least repel costs is stupid.

And yes, by the way, it’s completely not clear: who will pay? No, not a banquet, with a banquet just everything is clear. Who will contain the third largest temple in Russia, built do not understand where. Away from people.

There is no mercy. Donations do not have to wait, although there are options, but about them a little later. But who will pay for the content of this huge? Especially in winter, when will it still have to be heated? The numbers in the accounts, I think, will be five-digit. Well, the third largest of the temples, the first of the sarcophagi ...


By the way, the clergyman called the sarcophagus. Not my idea. Protodeacon Andrei Kuraev described this. But we will return to Kuraev and his opinion.

Now, if you look at the opinion of officials from the Ministry of Defense, for some reason they believe that

“The temple will be filled at the expense of visitors to the Patriot Park, as well as at the expense of the heirs to the memory of dead soldiers, military personnel and members of their families, patriotic youth and, in general, all Orthodox Christians.”

This “and in general” is simply charming.

I translate: once or twice a year from the Ministry of Defense they will arrange excursions. To transport by bus all kinds of Cadet-Unarmeans. Perhaps military personnel and cadets.

The key word here is “to take it away”, because in their right mind nobody will drag themselves to such a distance to see what is built. Glory to everything, in Moscow there are enough temples. There is where to pray.

Of course, maybe I'm wrong, but I personally would not have gone. Wrong object level. Although, I’ll say right away, as an object of architecture, I liked the temple. And the color scheme is so ambiguous and non-trivial, and inside it resembles something of Catholic cathedrals. The same gloomy and pompous.

Now, if the mosaic Putin - Shoigu - Matvienko had been left, it would be like going to see this. And once removed, and there is nothing to do there.


"Bloodless annexation of Crimea in 2014." Images of Vladimir Putin, Sergey Shoigu, Speaker of the Federation Council Valentina Matvienko, State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin, Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev, FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov and Chief of General Staff Valery Gerasimov

Such an attempt to perpetuate itself again. What is most interesting, none of the above, except Putin, did not mind. And I didn’t think it was shameful. Taken for granted.

It’s a pity that they removed it. I would go for the sake of one selfie against the background of this company. Especially Matvienko's affiliates.

But what has been done is done. Though they left this one. Until.


Moreover, the Patriot is 95% of the time in a year an empty corpse. He lives only during the “Army ...” and the “Army Games”. The rest of the time it’s just a huge formation, digesting huge amounts of money for its content, nothing more.

Now let's move on to the money. Tight.

So many people have already asked this question, “How much is it” that we are already marking the end of the phalanx. But more or less we already know the alignment.

The Church of the Resurrection in Alabino cost Russia 6 billion rubles.


Yes, the media, especially SUCH ones, talked about 3 billion collected by the "whole world." As assembled "by the whole world", we will also discuss, but for now, the best proof is the public procurement website. If you believe him, then more than 6 billion rubles were spent on 128 contracts.

In all cases, we are talking about procurement from a single supplier, and customers in all contracts, except for one, are the subordinate Ministry of Defense of the FSAI "Property Management of Special Projects" and JSC "Main Directorate for the Arrangement of Troops".

An exception was the purchase, in which the Moscow University of Civil Engineering signed a contract for the manufacture of a model of the temple for 320 thousand rubles. But this, you see, a penny compared to everything else.

Moreover, the details of the contracts were not disclosed. In some cases, information on contractors was not indicated, in most cases the terms of reference were not published. All this gave rise to more than a dozen dissatisfied articles in the media, when it was said that the contracts magically won firms and individual entrepreneurs registered a month ago. Without experience and experience, as they say, but created as specifically for the "development" of money.

Naturally, all this could not but give rise to frankly ugly "rise in price". Sudden and merciless.

For example, the development of documentation for the "installation of a system for attaching decorative facade elements" and the implementation of the "installation of a ventilated facade" in terms of contract value suddenly increased from 13,5 million rubles to 1,11 billion rubles. Contractor information not published.

The price of "design and survey works and construction and installation works" for the installation of the foundation increased from 620 million rubles to 1,45 billion rubles. The contractor is also not specified.

The cost of “installation and commissioning of internal electric and low-voltage networks”, which is carried out by In-Pro, increased from 123,5 million rubles to 206,7 million rubles.

And so in general it can be continued indefinitely, more precisely, until the contractors end. In general - slippery business and not very pleasant smelling. Well, apart from the smell of profit for contractors.

The purchase from a single supplier was due precisely to the fact that the construction was carried out at the expense of donations. Yes, there is such a position of the FAA. Another question: were all the money donations?

Link to the corresponding article in Rossiyskaya Gazeta at the end of the article. It is the “RG” that there were no complaints. The mouthpiece of power.

“In the list of donors, according to the head of the fund (“ Resurrection. ”- Approx. Aut.) Alexander Kanshin, 95 individuals and 400 legal entities. On accounts, including accumulated grants from Moscow (two billion rubles) and the Moscow region (1 million rubles). These funds will be used to equip the temple territory. ”

Boldly highlight: including accumulated grants from Moscow (two billion rubles) and the Moscow region (950 million rubles). These funds will go to the arrangement of the temple territory..

Here is the proof of value. 3,081 billion rubles were given by “95 individuals and 400 legal entities” and another almost three billion were cleaned up Moscow and the Moscow region. Total six.

Three billion for the "arrangement of the temple territory" - it sounds.

But let's go in order.

To begin with, as you know, a huge number of military personnel were recorded in voluntary donors. There was no voluntariness there, only the very lazy did not write or say anything about it, the financial department simply transferred the so-called “10.10” to the fund’s settlement accounts.

Who remembers, at first, they published data, who transferred how much. Then we realized that everyone had the same amount, 12 rubles, and the data was quickly removed.

But the Internet remembers everything ...


I don’t know how anyone, but I personally do not believe in the existence of such characters as Proclus Savelievich, Elisey Danilevich, Polykarp Samsonovich, Nazar Izyaslavovich and others. More like someone’s fun with a dictionary of names.

Then there was a transfer of all donors to a special section of the site hram.mil.ru, and for some reason part of the most curious names simply disappeared. That is, the Ministry of Defense had donors Klim Adrian Kondratievich, Prudnikov Prokl Savelievich, Polotentsev Cheslav Gennadevich, but they were no longer on the list of the fund.

In general, one lie gives rise to the belief that all lies are known.

Interestingly, is it not offensive to Cheslav Gennadievich Polotentsev that he was forgotten with 5? And Prokl Savelievich Prudnikov gave 000 25 ​​rubles, and with him there ...

Very similar to ordinary money laundering.

But what I want to say: it was an experiment. How will the military look if they are robbed? Looked normal. “10.10,” as one specialist from the Western Military District explained to me, he guarantees nothing to anyone at all. Last year we received 30 - rejoice. Well done. And this year you won’t get it, because your indicators are worse. All. 000 and "thanks for the donation."

The second part of the experiment was the robbery of Moscow and the Moscow region. THREE BILLIONS for the arrangement of the temple territory is very fat. Moreover, this figure is not given by the liberals hated from Echo or Rain, this is Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

But Moscow and the region also remained silent. Although, I’m sure it was where to get these grants. But if the party and the president say: “It is necessary,” then the party members answer what? Correct: "Do not be so kind as to worry."

No, of course, I admit that there were those who gladly donated money. Just not in that size. But basically it turns out that the temple was built with money that was not entirely legal and not entirely honest.

But the organizers don't give a damn about it. They really wanted a beautiful toy. The toy turned out beautiful, I won’t argue with that. I repeat, I liked it. But completely stupid and useless. Just like "I want it!" in a small child. Wanted - took the money and built.

How it's called? That's right, chaos.

And it is very symbolic that some huge churches are being built, while others are launching new spaceships at this time. To each his own, as they say.

Well, what after the rehearsal was, I hope, no need to explain? How many billions of savings did people spend surviving in organized “self-isolation” at their own expense?

It turns out ... And it turns out well!


And the temple turned out as you wanted, and consider the money you didn’t spend the budget. Well, the fact that he will be worthless sarcophagus - well, so what? The country is large, tea from six billion is not impoverished.

Tank T-90MS. The base cost is 130 million rubles.

Fighter Su-35. About a billion.

BTR-82A - 28 million rubles.

We take the calculator and understand that in the empty Alabino there is a huge building, which the Ministry of Defense spent 50 tanks T-90MS, or 6 Su-35 aircraft, or 215 BTR-82A.

New, from the factory.

Symbolism? Parenting? Enough is enough ...

Today we have a church in every part. Well, in almost every one. Over the past five years, at least I have not seen a single military unit where there was not even a seedy, but a temple.

Who will go to Alabino, where doesn’t really go anything to be proud of this building?

No, of course, someone will go. Perhaps even on purpose. Someone will be brought as these unfortunate cadets, who at the opening stood opposite Shoigu and did not take their eyes off him. The minister began to be baptized - and the cadets also threw up their arms. So it all looked so-so.


Meanwhile, I can’t say that everyone likes the sudden churching of the army. On the one hand, there’s nowhere to go from this, since our God appeared in the Constitution. True, not in the main section, but in the "Federal Arrangement", but nevertheless, it turned out. And now it remains only to follow someone’s developed course.

But our country is multiconfessional. And the fact that the army amicably strikes at Orthodoxy does not suit everyone. In our country, however, not only Orthodox are there, as it were. However, with the cultivation of religious needs in our army is not so equal. Quite the contrary: if you want to be closer to God - be baptized.

On the whole, it’s all the same, but let's see where this leads.

So far, we have led to the appearance of a beautiful monument to the Putin era. Built on popular, albeit not very beautifully earned money. But a monument.


Well, well, can't our authorities afford such a trifle as taking six billion and building a monument?

6 billion for 20 years of service for the good of Russia - it's just 300 million a year! 25 million per month! Yes, we have the head of Gazprom Miller gets more!

And, in principle, such experiments were not experienced, the right thing. But the temple turned out beautiful. A bunch of people earned on it. True, she lost a lot more, but we understand that faith is our everything. Under the new Constitution. And therefore it was necessary to pay.

And it turned out beautifully, didn't it?


Well, there will be an empty and unnecessary temple in the forests near Kubinka. Well, Putin and Shoigu will come to him a couple of times a year. But they will receive a new charge of spiritual energy, which will go to new achievements for the benefit of the Russian people!

And I would return the mosaics. Or far removed. In general, the people had to be asked referencefully, together with the Constitution, whether or not to leave it. I would vote to leave.

And here is a fresh report on the topic of my material.


I have nothing more to add. Everything is shown exactly as it is.

Based on:
https://www.znak.com/2020-02-10/summa_goszakupok_na_stroitelstvo_hrama_vooruzhennyh_sil_po_iniciative_shoygu_6_mlrd
https://fondvoskresenie.ru/deyatelnost-fonda/otchety
https://pasmi.ru/archive/267841/
https://rg.ru/2020/06/02/reg-cfo/na-voinskij-hram-v-podmoskove-pozhertvovali-bolee-3-mlrd-rublej.html
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 2 July 2020 05: 10 New
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    the triumph of fasting insanity ... a reflection of reality.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 2 July 2020 08: 22 New
      -15
      it was difficult to give bread to man .... and the author has an understanding of modernity

      about the toilets (8 min), also to Shoigu ???
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 3 July 2020 12: 55 New
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        Quote: antivirus
        and the author’s understanding of modernity


        and what to understand it ?. He is an outspoken enemy of Russia who hates everything in it about sovereignty before Orthodoxy and supports him the same.
        Think random?
    2. snake
      snake 2 July 2020 11: 13 New
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      I don’t know how anyone, but I personally do not believe in the existence of such characters as Proclus Savelievich, Elisey Danilevich, Polykarp Samsonovich, Nazar Izyaslavovich and others.

      For completeness, the Polygraph Poligrafovich is not enough ...
      1. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 3 July 2020 09: 06 New
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        The construction of the Temple was always given anonymously. So it was accepted. Who is Polycarp Samsonovich. idle there. Anyone who has hidden his contribution under this name knows this and is enough for him. No need to poke around in the mud, let alone look for dirt for this activity.
    3. lopvlad
      lopvlad 3 July 2020 12: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Dead Day
      reflection of reality.


      The liberals dragged the temple to the abyss, themselves fall into the abyss and the temple still does not fall?
  2. The comment was deleted.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 08: 24 New
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      Actually, there is such a simplified formula of Christianity: God became a man in order for a man to become God.
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 2 July 2020 09: 33 New
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      In Christianity, they teach humility and humility, this is the religion of slaves

      Let me ask what kind of education do you have?
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 2 July 2020 10: 49 New
        +4
        Culinary College.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 2 July 2020 11: 04 New
          +1
          Then you should precede your important comments with an indication that their author is a student of a culinary college, so that it is clear that he is not a historian, not a linguist, not a theologian. Accordingly, about such a complex ethical system as religion, the idea has a little less than nothing at all, and judges everything from the position of daily subsistence allowance.
          And so, you see, and others will begin to take the Bible literally.
          1. BAI
            BAI 2 July 2020 12: 00 New
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            Well, I have the highest, ctn if you like. And I agree with the Pessemist22 - Christianity is a religion of slaves and for slaves. By the way, not a single Orthodox state has achieved significant success in science and economics today. The atheistic USSR was the leader, the Orthodox Russian Federation is rapidly heading to the end of all ratings.
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 2 July 2020 12: 38 New
              -12
              Have you ever, at least once, ever been interested in the history of religion, not Christianity, but in general?
              You have no idea what kind of civilization leap humanity has made, moving from paganism to monotheism.
              Do not be like militant ignorance, which, calling millions of its compatriots slaves, appropriates exclusively to itself, it is not clear on what basis, the highest prerogative of determining what is truth and what is not.
              You have penetrated all space and time, you have studied everything thoroughly, and can you assert with complete conviction that there is no god?
              If you are capable of this, probably you are, hehe. Otherwise, your narcissism is empty pride and arrogance.
              1. Pessimist22
                Pessimist22 2 July 2020 15: 32 New
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                Sidor
                "You have no idea what kind of civilization leap humanity has made, moving from paganism to monotheism."
                What civilization way? Let's take ancient Egypt with its gods of the upper and lower kingdoms, there was a sewerage and central water supply, 2500 years ago, culture and achievements of science and technology, they built structures that impress modern people or the pantheon of the Olympic gods of Greece, the philosophy of which is now they study or ancient Rome, the central sewerage and water supply "cesspool maximum" is still partially used in Rome, the architecture, tactics and strategy of their army are studied in universities to this day, there was no central god and only the emperor Constantine learned about Christianity decided that a patchwork empire where many other religions professed, there should be one that teaches humility and humility, and this happened after 300 years from the birth of Yeshua in the translation of the Greeks who became Jesus, and after the fall of the eastern empire, civilized times began, the Inquisition, the burning and execution of apostates and alchemists, scientists and astronomers, conquering other continents and destroying abo Rigans, the slave trade and the destruction of cultural heritage, all in the name of God ...
                Sewerage in Europe began to be built only at the end of the 19th century, and lived in shit for 1500 years, splashing pots out the window, but inventing hats with wide brim so that shit would not drain on your face, these so-called writings of ancient idiots pushed the development of science and technology by 1500 years, perhaps if everything was different and Rome would have retained its power, we would have mastered Mars, but judging by what is happening in Russia, this is impossible at the moment.
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 2 July 2020 16: 34 New
                  -13
                  The countries you mentioned, in spite of all their merits, no longer exist. And you can fantasize about "what would happen if ..." as much as you like. This occupation is as stupid as irresponsible and meaningless. With a symmetrical result, you can, for example, endlessly grind the jabs, even your own, at least someone else's.
                  However, perhaps someone even in this is able to find a kind of pleasure, naively taking it for originality and impartiality of thinking.
            2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 2 July 2020 12: 56 New
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              Quote: BAI
              By the way, not a single Orthodox state has achieved significant success in science and economics today. Atheistic USSR was a leader

              It turns out that the Orthodox RI disappeared because it was weak, and the atheistic USSR collapsed because it was just incredibly strong?
              1. RESEARCHER
                RESEARCHER 2 July 2020 14: 05 New
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                The guys are unhappy. So we will have a new president from you, then manage the budget of the Russian Federation. In the meantime, work each in its place.
              2. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 2 July 2020 14: 12 New
                +9
                In vain argue, the truth is that any religion is in the service of power and is designed to keep people "in check".
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 2 July 2020 14: 14 New
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                  keep the people in check

                  It must be kept in check. Without this, he will plunge into anarchy and chaos.
                  Imagine that you canceled the rules of the road, and imagine that these very roads will begin immediately.
                  1. Fan-fan
                    Fan-fan 2 July 2020 14: 17 New
                    +9
                    Against anarchy and chaos there is the LAW (criminal and civil code), and if the law does not work, then no religion will save.
                    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                      Sidor Amenpodestovich 2 July 2020 14: 23 New
                      -10
                      Religion was the prototype of the state, with all its laws and codes.
                2. lopvlad
                  lopvlad 3 July 2020 13: 10 New
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                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  that any religion is in the service of power and is designed to keep the people in check.


                  all this was true for the 19th century and the illiterate people. Or do you foolishly think that if now a priest leaves the pulpit in an Orthodox church and says to kill all the infidels of Orthodoxy, then all parishioners will flock to do it instantly?
                  1. CT-55_11-9009
                    CT-55_11-9009 7 July 2020 16: 55 New
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                    Quote: lopvlad
                    Quote: Fan-Fan
                    that any religion is in the service of power and is designed to keep the people in check.


                    all this was true for the 19th century and the illiterate people. Or do you foolishly think that if now a priest leaves the pulpit in an Orthodox church and says to kill all the infidels of Orthodoxy, then all parishioners will flock to do it instantly?

                    Not all. But fanatical believers will go. Moreover, now not only faithful believers go to churches, but also those who go "for company" and those who are interested in "buns" from becoming a "believer".
            3. lopvlad
              lopvlad 3 July 2020 13: 03 New
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              Quote: BAI
              Atheistic USSR


              The USSR was never atheistic because there can be no atheistic state in which every second person is baptized. This is not to mention the fact that the code of the builder of communism is essentially a written-off Sermon on the Mount.
            4. Normal ok
              Normal ok 3 July 2020 18: 10 New
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              Quote: BAI
              Well, I have the highest, ctn if you like. And I agree with the Pessemist22 - Christianity is a religion of slaves and for slaves. By the way, not a single Orthodox state has achieved significant success in science and economics today. The atheistic USSR was the leader, the Orthodox Russian Federation is rapidly heading to the end of all ratings.

              Christianity is not limited to Orthodoxy. How do you like the example of the Protestant countries: Germany, Sweden, Holland, USA, South Korea and others? They also "did not achieve anything"?
              1. CT-55_11-9009
                CT-55_11-9009 7 July 2020 17: 01 New
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                Quote: Normal ok
                Quote: BAI
                Well, I have the highest, ctn if you like. And I agree with the Pessemist22 - Christianity is a religion of slaves and for slaves. By the way, not a single Orthodox state has achieved significant success in science and economics today. The atheistic USSR was the leader, the Orthodox Russian Federation is rapidly heading to the end of all ratings.

                Christianity is not limited to Orthodoxy. How do you like the example of the Protestant countries: Germany, Sweden, Holland, USA, South Korea and others? They also "did not achieve anything"?

                So Protestantism is a product of the reformation of Catholicism, which, in turn, was an altered variation of Christianity (it is not for nothing that in the West Orthodoxy is called ("Orthodox faith"). There have already been amended, and more than once. In Orthodoxy, the reform was also, it must be recognized. Nikonian. I won’t evaluate it, although Church historians are engaged in this, but it gave an effect ... Destructive. If you look at the consequences. Especially when you consider who developed the Urals and Siberia ...
            5. Kaw
              Kaw 8 July 2020 15: 41 New
              0
              By the way, not a single Orthodox state has achieved significant success in science and economics today. The atheistic USSR was the leader, the Orthodox Russian Federation is rapidly heading to the end of all ratings.

              In Western universities, there are still faculties where they teach priests, they did not observe decline and are not observed.
              Apparently, this is not a matter of religion.
              1. Kaw
                Kaw 8 July 2020 15: 43 New
                0
                Moreover, this project was built (as it seems to me) by non-believers at all. From the point of view of religion, this is a blasphemy IMHO
  3. kig
    kig 2 July 2020 05: 24 New
    -12
    And where "please consider this article as an appeal to the prosecutor's office"?
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 2 July 2020 05: 31 New
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      Do some prosecutors want to quit in full force of their own free will? smile
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    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 2 July 2020 05: 32 New
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      In the New Testament, the Savior says: “Do not build me earthly palaces, but build heavenly temples for me ...” “My temple will be in your heart ....” And this, here, the Russian epidemic of “temple building” is not Faith, it’s hypocrisy .... pharisaism, the flowering of which in the "last days" before the "harvest" and warned the Savior ...
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 2 July 2020 05: 44 New
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        There lived a pagan and a Christian in the neighborhood. The Christian pacified the whole life of his flesh, prayed earnestly, handed out money to beggars - he was hungry, sat on his other cheek if beaten - in general, he suffered and suffered. AND
        the pagan in the field of Dazhdbog will greet and live for his pleasure. They both died, and went to heaven. A Christian watches that a pagan with a god sits at the same table, and set up his dishes.
        Says: - Lord! He did not observe anything! And you plant him at the table? And God answers:
        - So all his life he considered himself a grandson of God, and you are a slave. To each according to his faith!
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 3 July 2020 13: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Pessimist22
          They both died, and went to heaven.


          in how, according to the liberals, among the Gentiles and Christians, Paradise is the same, and God is one.
        2. Tatanka Yotanka
          Tatanka Yotanka 3 July 2020 19: 24 New
          -1
          Quote: Pessimist22
          So all his life he considered himself a grandson of God, and you are a slave. To each according to his faith!

          you have a pagan version))) Christ's parable about Lazarus and richer looks different
      2. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 2 July 2020 07: 54 New
        21
        Article 14 Constitution of the Russian Federation. Full text, as amended

        1. The Russian Federation is a secular state. No religion can be established as a state or mandatory.

        2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.
      3. Trotil42
        Trotil42 2 July 2020 08: 13 New
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        Nekhrsti ... Shoigu, Rogozin and the lads in the temple in headgear! pictured above .. Corrupted! Ugh! Near Gundyaev type of patriarch, ... sadness ... decomposition and degradation ...
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 2 July 2020 09: 39 New
          +6
          Quote: Trotil42
          Nekhrsti ... Shoigu, Rogozin and the lads in the temple in headgear! pictured above .. Defiled! Ugh! Near Gundyaev type of patriarch, ... sadness ... decomposition and degradation ...

          This is obscurantism.
        2. New
          New Year day 2 July 2020 10: 47 New
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          Quote: Trotil42
          patriarch, ... sadness ... decomposition and degradation ...

          Yeah! Congratulated everyone June 22 with the outbreak of war!

          given verbatim
      4. kyznets
        kyznets 3 July 2020 05: 15 New
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        Most people who talk about Orthodoxy and Christianity are people who are not only far from religion, but who do not have a minimal understanding of the philosophy, culture and rules of Orthodoxy. And perhaps they have never read the Gospel, not to mention the Bible. Teach your wife cabbage soup. What do you crawl into concepts and institutions alien to you. The candidate of technical sciences believes that he can already teach everyone and on all issues? He also reads the Gospel once or twice and begins to comment and explain it to us illiterate. The Holy Fathers studied Him all their lives and did not think that they understood everything, but here it’s just a genius of theology on a genius, never having communion. You would have fought with housing and communal services or with bad roads, as you are fighting with believers. That under the USSR we interfered with your life, that under the new government. And the USSR because of such here is how you disappeared.
    3. Banshee
      2 July 2020 07: 07 New
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      Quote: kig
      And where "please consider this article as an appeal to the prosecutor's office"?


      But no. I don’t see the meaning from the word “completely”. Everyone is in the know, everyone knows everything.
  4. mmaxx
    mmaxx 2 July 2020 05: 43 New
    -24
    A favorite pastime of amateurs, to consider where the money went. Or count cuts.
    Although I myself do not support the idea of ​​penetrating the church into the army.
    And the very idea of ​​combating corruption through contests leads to a heap of crooks around.
    1. Banshee
      2 July 2020 07: 09 New
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      Quote: mmaxx
      A favorite pastime of amateurs, to consider where the money went. Or count cuts.


      Well, where are we up to you, pros ... But you would have decided what color you are and what you like at all. Judging by your comment, you don’t like anything in this life.
      Professional Handwriting ...
      1. depressant
        depressant 2 July 2020 09: 08 New
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        Roman, I don’t like something either. For example, your statement about outbreaks)) Well, you are not a capitalist! But I see for Alabino huge entrepreneurial prospects. So far I watched only a third of the video, but already saw them.
        Firstly, the large distances that you need to walk to the temple. For the believer, it’s not a question, it’s something like a pilgrimage, if you believe, go! But for tourists who will undoubtedly be in the case of the correct formulation of the case - tiring. It follows that a company is needed that provides open or closed (depending on weather) cars for 12 people and with each guide telling about interesting features of the temple, because you won’t conduct an excursion with a pointer in your hands. The fee is different, according to the service: access to the temple, or access with a tour of the sights of the territory.
        The second thing that begs is paid toilets! Throughout the visit. But not ugly blue booths, but capital constructions in the color of the temple, so as not to violate the unity of composition, but not in the form of chapels (sacrilege!), But in the style of the old Moscow city architecture of the 18th century. To stylistically fit.
        Further. Chapels both at the entrance to the territory and the rest of it, in which it is necessary to organize the sale of consecrated objects of worship: icons of all sizes from famous and unknown icon painters, religious literature, jewelry with religious symbols, etc. (in my village, for example, there is such a chapel, the assortment is large). Well, candles - by itself.
        Food - tourists are always hungry. Not in the temple, of course, but nearby. Like a monastery refectory, again, to harmonize with the temple complex. Here architectural supervision should say its weighty word. Food old Russian cuisine and more.
        Even further - hotels for pilgrims and the same tourists.
        Cemetery. "Want to bury a relative near the main military Temple?" Expensive.
        An elite village for the especially churchy and nouveau riche people who care for the army, which, however, is not necessary - I mean joy. The advantage for living is a specially protected area.
        Warehouses for food, other. Icon-painting workshops ... Other ...
        Roman, you can’t even imagine what the prospects of the temple are!
        1. Fedorovich
          Fedorovich 2 July 2020 09: 41 New
          +2
          Lyudmila Yakovlevna, are you kidding me? Is it true?
          1. depressant
            depressant 2 July 2020 10: 49 New
            10
            Colleague, on the one hand, yes, but on the other, no. I don’t know who perceives me like that, but I am a man of extreme cynicism, and at the same time I’m direct. So the government decided to build capitalism. The President said: there will be no revision of the results of privatization, which remained the main note in the score of the updated Constitution. So let's build it, damn it! Capitalism! Not hiding behind the hypocritical well-being of the air. Build! So, as expected.
            Here's an example.
            Municipal authorities need an object on its territory. A tender is announced, a competition of developers who are ready to get to work. We understand that the one who will give the greatest bribe to the mayor will win, or worthless, but his own. But in fact, it is necessary this way: only those firms that already have stable contractors are allowed to tender. Well-established firms. The contract receives the one that will make the largest official contribution to the municipality box office, and not to the mayor’s pocket. That will win the tender. Good capitalism, if the word can be applied to this formation at all, is always an open, publicly controlled competition for money.
            And it’s not clear what we are being called on to: either restore the USSR (the words of the president), or develop rotten under-capitalism on the basis of corruption as an ideology even more rotten (the president reassures that everything is going as it should, although it’s not at all). And no certainty. In fact, our situation is just the case when good must be done from improvised evil - for lack of other, more decent material ....
            But what actually happens? People who are sick of the soul for the country and in this regard, sharply criticizing the president and all the government, the Duma and other gangs, are no longer needed. And we need those who thoughtlessly trust the president, while he himself - no, does not trust! - but he trusted these gangs, believing that he had no other useful people ...
            I'm still waiting. Let’s see how the president will win back the air of peace and universal grace in the coming months. Autumn will show a lot.
            And yes, I'm kidding.
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 2 July 2020 13: 50 New
              +1
              Capitalism is not capitalism. But I support. Let's build. Will build - we will live better.
              Let everyone ask a question: has it become worse?
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 2 July 2020 14: 29 New
                +4
                Yes, no better - that's for sure. But if, instead of the temple, they built housing and jobs for people, hospitals, roads, etc. Then it would definitely be better.
                1. mmaxx
                  mmaxx 2 July 2020 16: 39 New
                  -3
                  And if they gave it to me, it would be even better! 10% would be enough.
                2. mmaxx
                  mmaxx 2 July 2020 16: 45 New
                  -7
                  Why not better? Can I find out? Comparison point, please! 1970s, 80s, 90s, 2000s? Maybe a specific year? It’s good to equal yourself. It was then that I was fine. For some, this will turn out to be a cursed 90 for many. For someone, the 80s. Etc.
                  But just look at life with your eyes. I will not argue that somewhere life has not died at all. But in general, we are somehow stubbornly climbing for the better. I wish it was right now that everything was there. But ..., then, Putin is to blame.
        2. TRex
          TRex 2 July 2020 10: 57 New
          +8
          Multibillion-dollar goods must be protected - hence a separate company of guards, a small military town (barracks, canteen, fleet, fuel and lubricants depot, food depot, armament and military equipment, bath-and-laundry plant, etc., DOS). By the way - is there a helipad next to the couple on call?
          1. BAI
            BAI 2 July 2020 12: 06 New
            +5
            Since you constantly have to meet top officials of the state and foreign guests, the military guard will have a special status and commander in small ranks. But not a lieutenant, letting out distinguished guests for a meeting.
        3. aglet
          aglet 2 July 2020 11: 05 New
          +7
          “But I see huge entrepreneurial prospects for Alabino. Roman, you can’t even imagine what the prospects of the temple are!”
          it’s very similar to how Bender helped build a power plant in one southern republic- “from now on you will only receive”, directly, word for word
          1. depressant
            depressant 2 July 2020 11: 25 New
            +4
            So, apparently, Ilf and Petrov are the president’s handbook.
        4. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 2 July 2020 14: 24 New
          +2
          Roman, you can’t even imagine what the prospects of the temple are!

          Roman perfectly painted these prospects and I will add - no prospects, not many volunteers will go there.
        5. BAI
          BAI 2 July 2020 18: 50 New
          +1
          But I see for Alabino huge entrepreneurial prospects.

          Money is under your feet, you just have to bend down and pick it up.
        6. K298rtm
          K298rtm 2 July 2020 23: 28 New
          +2
          A good business plan is looming.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 2 July 2020 09: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Banshee
        But you would have decided what color you are and what do you like at all. Judging by your comment, you don’t like anything in this life. Professional Handwriting ...
        I apologize, but somehow it inspired from the "eternal and unfading" laughing
        There is a clear he painted himself in those colors in which he painted himself. And those people who ... There are a lot of points of view about this. I clearly adhere to and clearly understand that those manifestations, if you are already so ribbed, raise the question that we are supposedly. (V. Klitschko from an interview with V. Pozner)
      3. Gost2012
        Gost2012 2 July 2020 12: 46 New
        -6
        Quote: Banshee
        Quote: mmaxx
        A favorite pastime of amateurs, to consider where the money went. Or count cuts.


        Judging by your comment, you don’t like anything in this life ...

        Judging by your articles, you too.
      4. mmaxx
        mmaxx 2 July 2020 13: 47 New
        -6
        And I am dissatisfied with the fact that I am involved in various calculations and purchases. And amateurs do not understand what the price may be. And there will always be someone who will say that it is a lot and it is cut. With the fact that Navalny introduced this word in a wide circulation and now they are trumped by all and sundry.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 2 July 2020 14: 32 New
          +5
          And where do the villas in the West come from? That's just from the cut and taken.
      5. mmaxx
        mmaxx 2 July 2020 13: 57 New
        -1
        And I'm not going to paint myself in colors. I just want to live here. And so that the children live. And they were better than me. All.
        I am not going to become neither white, nor red, nor green, nor brown, and any shades of these colors and their combinations. Some whine in the beautiful Russia, which someone lost somewhere. Others cry for the USSR, although 90% of them scolded the Soviet government for everything. And for me there is one country, with one story and all the same people. You just have to go your own way. We must go forward, knowing what happened before. But one must understand that SO IT WILL NOT BE ALREADY BEFORE.
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 2 July 2020 08: 35 New
      0
      Quote: mmaxx
      A favorite pastime of amateurs, to consider where the money went. Or count cuts.
      Although I myself do not support the idea of ​​penetrating the church into the army.
      And the very idea of ​​combating corruption through contests leads to a heap of crooks around.

      ===
      there is such a thing, I will not and do not want to go deep. but here: / An exception was the purchase, in which Moscow Construction University signed a contract for the manufacture of a model of the temple for 320 thousand rubles. But this, you see, is a penny in comparison with everything else. / You can probably save money or shrink here, but this is the price level, for example https://www.maket.ru/about/stoimost-prices/.
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 2 July 2020 13: 59 New
        +1
        320 thousand for the model is only a salary for the mockers plus the accompanying. Nothing to even talk about.
  5. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 2 July 2020 05: 45 New
    -13
    there it is more important and interesting not a temple but a memorial. The road of memory and this wall are from photographs of war veterans. which collect around the world. just for the sake of this one gallery with millions of photos, it was all worth creating.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 2 July 2020 06: 15 New
      -1
      Then I agree with you. But the temple really could be made more modest. Well, what has been done is done.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 2 July 2020 07: 06 New
        +9
        I don’t know about modesty but the fact that the museum project is gorgeous and extremely modern and necessary. where and when else in our country did this for public review? where did they collect the names and photographs of those who fought in that war in one place? Where are the mass graves for operations and years collected? and on each board the place and number of those buried in it are indicated again within the framework of one memorial?

        whoever writes here and says this is a huge and large-scale project. Now you can’t understand its meaning, but as famous Soviet science fiction brothers said, "the future is created by you, but not for you
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 2 July 2020 08: 06 New
          11
          that the museum project is gorgeous and extremely modern and needed. where and when else in our country did this for public review? where did they collect the names and photographs of those who fought in that war in one place? Where are the mass graves for operations and years collected? and on each board the place and number of those buried in it are indicated again within the framework of one memorial?

          MUSEUM - YES! But why put the temple here?
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 2 July 2020 08: 14 New
            -2
            Well, what's wrong with that? this is the complex in which the temple was built in honor of the victory in the Second World War in which murals and murals and other things also speak of this war. this was often in Russia. On the feast of the Nativity of Christ on December 25, 1812, when the last Napoleonic soldier left Russia, Alexander I signed the Manifesto on the construction in Moscow of the grateful Cathedral of Christ the Savior. And after Paris was taken in March 1814 and the war ended, Alexander I issued a decree to the Holy Synod to continue to serve in all churches on Christmas day after the festive liturgy, a thanksgiving prayer “remembrance of the deliverance of the Church and the Russian state from the invasion of the Gauls and twenty languages ​​with them” . So that the memory of that victory - “both the deliverance of Russia and the salvation of all of Europe” - is preserved from generation to generation. If you are not a believer, then you can not go to the Temple. Although there is also something to see. Do not forget also what is being done outside the territory of the complex.
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 2 July 2020 09: 56 New
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              Well, what's wrong with that? this is the complex in which the temple was built in honor of the victory in the Second World War in which murals and murals and other things also speak of this war.

              The temple is a religious building and who said that my grandfather communist wanted to build temples instead of schools and hospitals?
              The second moment, those war veterans who remained alive after the war built the country, and we, when they were almost gone, build temples in memory of the country.
              Tin!
              For me personally, the memorial on Mamaev Kurgan is closer and more understandable
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 2 July 2020 10: 00 New
                -4
                closer to you one another. each has its own opinion and values. I like old memorials but I don’t want to blame new ones either. what they did there is a memory road. how its modern and understandable to the younger generation created is worth more than money. Any child seeing all this with skin will feel it.
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 2 July 2020 10: 47 New
                -4
                Quote: Malyuta
                when they are almost gone, we build in memory of the country of the temple.
                Tin!

                What tin have you seen, dear? In Russia at all times built temples and cathedrals and it was never considered a gesture and a righteous deed. There are temples built in honor of battles and battles that still stand today.
                As for this particular temple, we must probably recall what it is called, first of all, the MAIN TEMPLE OF THE RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES. From here will come and the Parish of the temple, and its contents.
                For me personally, this is a good thing. And the Memorial to the Temple is very appropriate.
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 2 July 2020 14: 57 New
                  +3
                  In Russia at all times built temples and cathedrals

                  For all the time of Soviet power, 24 churches and temples were built.
                  And now, if you do not stop them setting up the temples immeasurably, they simply went mad at the temples.
                  During a recent visit to Strasbourg, Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill said: “We build an average of three churches a day. I’m not mistaken, three churches in 24 hours, 30 thousand churches in ten years.”
                  Guys, they’re crazy.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 2 July 2020 15: 25 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Fan-Fan
                    Guys, they’re crazy.

                    I don’t understand something, do you have something against this? Temples are built on donations from people. The treasury of the state has nothing to do with it. Or is it not our Orthodox state? How many churches in the USA, for example, do you know?
                    The largest area of ​​Christianity in the country is Protestantism. In 2000 in US operated 548 thousand Christian churches and places of worship belonging to 3514 different Christian denominations

                    And no one stinks because of this does not raise, as does the buffoon.
                    1. Fan-fan
                      Fan-fan 2 July 2020 15: 48 New
                      +5
                      Temples are built on donations from people.

                      The cost of building an average church ranges from 90 to 250 million rubles. Donations from ordinary people are not enough even to feed one priest. Therefore, money is donated not by ordinary people, but by oligarchs, eg, Potanin.
                      But the state directly gives money to churchmen: "According to RBC estimates, in 2012-2015, the Russian Orthodox Church and its associated structures received at least 14 billion rubles from the budget and from state organizations.

                      Read more at RBC:
                      https://www.rbc.ru/investigation/society/24/02/2016/56c84fd49a7947ecbff1473d"
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 2 July 2020 16: 18 New
                        -4
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        Therefore, money is donated not by ordinary people, but by oligarchs, eg, Potanin.

                        And for some reason this doesn’t suit you? There used to be patrons, now sponsors ... they don’t build concentration camps and prisons ...
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        According to RBC estimates, in 2012-2015, the Russian Orthodox Church and its affiliated structures received at least 14 billion rubles from the budget and from state organizations.

                        And according to estimates of the audit from Vostochny, 5 lards were stolen at least ... at the same time, it was not stolen for people, but for their favorite pocket. Feel the difference.
                  2. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 2 July 2020 19: 31 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Fan-Fan
                    For all the time of Soviet power, 24 churches and temples were built.

                    And how many various party institutions, monuments to Ilyich, etc. were built?
            2. ORINCH
              ORINCH 2 July 2020 12: 09 New
              -3
              Crosses on the plane, by the way, are also related to Christianity. But the Orthodox god is cooler, of course.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 2 July 2020 13: 42 New
                0
                crosses are generally related to anything) Christianity is not alone in this sense.
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 2 July 2020 14: 01 New
          -5
          This reminds me of the 2014 Olympics. Everyone, too, was whining about cuts, etc. And she passed and everyone was proud. And they go to Sochi and rejoice.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 2 July 2020 15: 00 New
            +1
            I saw a report from Sochi - the stadiums are empty and no one is happy there.
  6. Galleon
    Galleon 2 July 2020 05: 51 New
    +8
    Since they began to remember the Scriptures here, I will bring another place from the 1st chapter of the prophet Isaiah.
    ⁷ Your land is devastated; your cities are burned with fire; strangers eat your fields in your eyes; everything was empty, as after the ruin of strangers. ⁸ And the daughter of Zion remained, like a tent in a vineyard, like a hut in a garden, like a besieged city. ⁹ If the Lord of hosts had not left us a small remnant, then we would have been the same as Sodom, we would have become like Gomorrah.
    ¹⁰ Listen to the word of the Lord, princes of Sodom; heed the law of our God, the people of Gomorrah! ¹¹ Why do I have many victims of yours? says the Lord. I am fed up with burnt offerings of rams and a fat of fattened cattle, and I don’t want blood of bulls and lambs and goats. ¹² When you come to appear before My face, who requires you to trample My courtyards? ¹³ Do not carry more vain gifts: smoking is disgusting to Me; I can’t endure the new month and Saturdays, holiday gatherings: lawlessness - and celebration! ¹⁴ My soul hates your new months and your holidays: they are a burden for Me; It's hard for me to carry them.
    ¹⁵ And when you stretch your hands, I close my eyes from you; and when you multiply your prayers, I don’t hear: your hands are full of blood. ¹⁶ Wash yourself, cleanse yourself; remove your evil deeds from my eyes; stop doing evil; ¹⁷ learn to do good, seek truth, save the oppressed, protect the orphan, stand up for the widow.
  7. Egoza
    Egoza 2 July 2020 06: 00 New
    +8
    What about your taxes? In terms of income, 5 lemons will be considered? Now, if you donate to the temple, then 5 lemons will not work, it will be 4,99. Then you can not pay the increased tax?
    Yes, there will be no good spirit in this temple, he is not prayed. Well, I’d go to see the mosaic, where I.V. Stalin is. Or did he also decide not to upload his portrait, since there is no GDP? And the fact that the toy turned out to be notable is yes. Well, everyone plays as best they can. Here Petya portrayed himself in icons in the house church on the icons. along with the whole family. Yeah. Although maybe the village and garden plots will be useful? They will pave a good road, arrange transport. Tours will carry, not all the same we will sit in quarantine? There was a Golden Ring route, now there will be a Golden Ring with a stop in Alabino
    1. DVR
      DVR 2 July 2020 06: 25 New
      +4
      Yes, there will be no good spirit in this temple, he is not prayed.

      I am ignorant of such matters, but how can a newly built temple be prayed for?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 2 July 2020 07: 05 New
        +4
        I am ignorant of such matters, but how can a newly built temple be prayed for?

        Of course not. But as the author writes, "Well, Putin and Shoigu will come to him a couple of times a year. But they will receive a new charge of spiritual energy,". WILL NOT WORK! So that the temple gives a charge of spiritual energy for more than a dozen years, you must pray in it!
        1. DVR
          DVR 2 July 2020 07: 13 New
          0
          So that the temple gives a charge of spiritual energy for more than a dozen years, you must pray in it!

          So Yes. In general, it depends on a person, I think. And in the new temple you can feel the grace of God.
        2. Jager
          Jager 2 July 2020 07: 55 New
          +6
          For the “charge of spiritual energy" the temple is not needed. But to each his own.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 July 2020 08: 22 New
      -2

      look) there is still a lot of things
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 08: 55 New
      -2
      All the temples, once, were non-prayed.
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    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 July 2020 07: 25 New
      20
      Oh, come on ...
      The Ministry of Defense is really doing, to put it mildly, not what is needed.
      Absolutely not.
      That's all, in fact. tinsel. Pompous temples, no less pompous patriotic parks, "Army Games", dances around the uniform, with all these stripes and marshal epaulets .....

      The army must either prepare for war. or fight. And here, to put it mildly, there are problems.
      Suffice it to recall the recent jamming of cars on the sidelines in Syria. When they wrote to me: "The tiger is a miracle as good, just change the gasket. Between the steering wheel and the seat." Forgetting at the same time that the "gasket" should be prepared by the Moscow Region. And apparently, the show "Masters of armored vehicles" did not really help in such preparation.
      1. frog
        frog 2 July 2020 10: 14 New
        10
        "The tiger is a miracle as good, just change the gasket. Between the steering wheel and the seat."

        Change gasket? MO should prepare this laying? Mmmm .... I don’t know what about the gaskets for the Tigers, but the gaskets for aviation are stupidly lacking. Kuzhugetych himself spoke of this, by the way. True, after some time, he stopped voicing these numbers. More precisely, officially stopped. But the trend is quite characteristic .....
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 July 2020 10: 50 New
          +8
          Quote: frog
          but gaskets for aviation are stupidly lacking. Kuzhugetych himself spoke of this, by the way.

          Yes, there are not enough gaskets anywhere, a severe shortage of specialists.

          And in such a situation, spending money on pathos and fun is simply strange.

          Quote: frog
          True, after some time, he stopped voicing these numbers. More precisely, officially stopped. But the trend is quite characteristic .....

          When Serdyukov ceased to disclose figures for death and injuries in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. When the "reforms" began, which led, due to their lack of thought, to a surge in crime. First of all, a non-instructor.

          And what’s the strangest thing, in the framework of the "epic fight against Serdyukovschina" they did not refuse this rubbish sweeping under the rug ...
          1. frog
            frog 2 July 2020 13: 43 New
            +3
            Yes, there are not enough gaskets anywhere, a severe shortage of specialists.

            And in such a situation, spending money on pathos and fun is simply strange.

            Really? as for me, just the opposite, that’s exactly what they’ll objectively spend on themselves. You yourself said: "A severe shortage of specialists", no? And what else can those who are not really experts spend money? wink
            And what’s the strangest thing, in the framework of the "epic fight against Serdyukovschina" they did not refuse this rubbish sweeping under the rug ...

            I would venture to make a mistake, but this trend has always been. The difference is only in the degree of this digging. Of course, IMHO repeat
            But here is the fact that we lacked 1300 pilots, then 2000, then 2300 ...... I would risk the sacramental "Pilots, Karl!" request And the fact that they kind of started the young ladies in the flight take (at least, were going) to ... "military specialties." As a friend said: “Previously, men escaped from aviation and that was not politically correct. Now women and equality, damn it, will run”
            The stump is clear, all that has been said is a terrible slander on our brightest today repeat
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 2 July 2020 18: 44 New
              0
              Quote: frog
              And what else can those who are not really experts spend money?

              I agree
              1. frog
                frog 2 July 2020 18: 51 New
                +2
                Well ... Otsel sad conclusion: all Wishlist of the local public regarding the "fixing weakness" is definitely only for the release of vapors. Alas for us ..... crying But still, hi
  9. samarin1969
    samarin1969 2 July 2020 06: 27 New
    +6
    "The appearance of the temple was everything that could delight the eye and soul. Covered with heavy gold sheets on all sides, it shone in the morning sun with a bright fiery glare, dazzling for the eyes like the sun's rays. He issued from a stranger who came to worship in Jerusalem it seemed covered with snow, for where it was not gilded, it was dazzlingly white.The top of it was equipped with golden pointed spitz so that the bird could not sit on the temple and pollute it ... It was a quadrangle and had at its corners mountainous ledges: a slightly rising terrace led to it from the south ... "

    Roman Skomorokhov was even more convincing than Josephus.
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    1. Banshee
      2 July 2020 07: 13 New
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      Quote: Ros 56
      Roma God will punish you for blasphemy and people like you.


      Aw ... Did this god personally tell you?
      But actually I don’t remember, we drank on the brudershaft ... Lying in one ditch? Where? When? Why is it suddenly so familiar?
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    2. Jager
      Jager 2 July 2020 07: 57 New
      0
      The mosaic was removed, why be afraid?
  11. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 2 July 2020 06: 33 New
    11
    you give each ministry a temple, well, the most radiant temple
    1. Jager
      Jager 2 July 2020 07: 58 New
      +8
      EBN won the temple too. But already at the stage of the layout, the ground beneath it began to burn, and therefore they did it without a cross, but with a monument at the entrance.
  12. Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 July 2020 06: 47 New
    +4
    the author is strikingly naive. They built a temple for themselves and find money. The entire budget is available. They want to build temples, they want Amerian treasuries to buy. Now there is a place where to hold parades of their victory
    Well, the question is, who knows if, according to the canon, a temple can be set up with such dark colors. And then the temple is not of God, but ...
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 2 July 2020 15: 08 New
      +5
      who knows if, according to canon, a temple can be set up with such dark colors.

      I also noticed - a lot of dark color, gloomy, the Naval Cathedral in Kronstadt color is very different for the better.
  13. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 2 July 2020 06: 52 New
    -16
    Quote: codetalker
    Oh, about the constitution “it didn’t work out,” do we get a piece of blank from the zagashnik?)

    I support, a stone flower doesn’t come out about the Constitution wassat
    And it would seem, it's time to take stock today ... But then they lost and therefore are silent ... They are flowing around.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 2 July 2020 15: 12 New
      +4
      But you all are probably happy and are already waiting for the manna of heaven, a breakthrough in the economy and without buildup, but somehow you have approved the new constitution, it’s time to rise to the country. It turns out we just did not have enough.
      Well, when to wait for the rise?
  14. demo
    demo 2 July 2020 06: 53 New
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    Until now, I have not even considered a preliminary design of this structure.
    The first look and the impression was a gloomy high-tech.
    I am a civil engineer by training.
    What no architecture was taught.
    So my opinion is the opinion of an aged specialist.

    And now to God.
    The temple is not needed by God.
    A person needs a temple.
    Neither the flock, nor the clergyman, nor the whole Church, after all.
    The temple is a place where a person with his problems and aspirations comes to God.
    And asks for help.
    The church and its churches are an entourage of the appropriate style and decoration, and spiritual mood.
    If the temple has such a gloomy and ambiguous appearance, then the person will not immediately understand (or rather, immediately tear it away) where he got.
    If this is a museum-exhibition, stylized as a temple - this is a different matter.
    The church declares its main goal - the struggle for the soul of man.
    Each person. Not a millionth crowd.
    Wholesale fight with the Devil does not work.
    Just the opposite.
    Such a commissure - the Patriarch-President - is the worst of what could have been.

    This building will neither strengthen nor improve the tarnished reputation of the fattening fathers of the Russian Orthodox Church.
    However, the Russian Orthodox Church (in the person of its hierarchs) has taken a win-win position - to let hundreds of billions of rubles go through it uncontrollably and tax-free, while declaring its poverty with puppy crying.
    I recall the words of Pushkin.
    "Whoever wants to read a sermon to people should not eat more sweetly than they."
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 3 July 2020 10: 22 New
      0
      Quote: demo
      "Whoever wants to read a sermon to people should not eat more sweetly than they."

      This is not Pushkin, this is Eugene Agranovich, the poem "Jewish Priest."
  15. Al Asad
    Al Asad 2 July 2020 07: 01 New
    13
    How many wonderful projects are not budging due to the 'lack' of funding. For example, the transformation into the museum of the first nuclear submarine K-3. Need 0,5 billion.
  16. Free wind
    Free wind 2 July 2020 07: 02 New
    13
    It is a temple for prayers, and here from the very beginning they began to bring every rabble from all over the world, for the sake of these wow, bravely, etc., that is, for show, for entertainment. It turns out this is not a temple. it's a circus.
  17. bober1982
    bober1982 2 July 2020 07: 11 New
    0
    The article is funny and the comments are relevant.
    Mentioning Kuraev is a bad form, is forbidden in service, he, the favorite of the liberal party, has long gone to the pedigree.
  18. Olgovich
    Olgovich 2 July 2020 07: 18 New
    -5
    it turns out that the temple was built on money obtained not quite legally

    There is not a single illegal example of construction financing: decisions on the allocation of lucrative resources by Moscow and Moscow have been made absolutely legitimate, donations are also legal.

    And the Temple, indeed, turned out to be surprisingly beautiful, I will visit it with pleasure.
    1. Revival
      Revival 2 July 2020 21: 53 New
      +2
      "Allocation of sloppy resources by Moscow and Moscow is accepted absolutely legally."
      That is, the allocation of taxpayer money to an organization completely separate from the secular state is this the norm?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 3 July 2020 08: 21 New
        -3
        Quote: Revival
        "Allocation of sloppy resources by Moscow and Moscow is accepted absolutely legally."
        That is, the allocation of taxpayer money to an organization completely separate from the secular state is this the norm?

        It is legal.
  19. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 2 July 2020 07: 25 New
    13
    “We take a calculator and understand that in an empty Alabino there is a huge building, which the Ministry of Defense spent 50 T-90MS tanks, or 6 Su-35 aircraft, or 215 BTR-82A.”
    The temple is more important. Especially built in the open field. And why, for example, all these modern Kurgan-25s, can soldiers fight on the ultra-cheap modernization of the BMP-1 Basurmanin, which go to the army by echelons.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 July 2020 08: 57 New
      -10
      more than a thousand pieces in storage. What is better to melt them?
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 2 July 2020 09: 25 New
        13
        Saving on technology leads to consumption in people. What is the point of spending billions on temples, while the old Soviet kopecks go to the army instead of new BMPs.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 July 2020 09: 29 New
          -12
          what does the saving have to do with it? Once again, what to do with the number of BMP 1 that remained? to melt into paper clips or still give the opportunity to bring benefits? storage also costs money, actually. whoever armed with their pieces of 500 remained and the main one is BMP 2. they probably will be modified. By the way, I was seriously mistaken in storage. 7000 pieces
          1. Pushkar
            Pushkar 3 July 2020 10: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            what does the saving have to do with it? Once again, what to do with the number of BMP 1 that remained? to melt into paper clips or still give the opportunity to bring benefits? storage also costs money, actually. whoever armed with their pieces of 500 remained and the main one is BMP 2. they probably will be modified. By the way, I was seriously mistaken in storage. 7000 pieces

            In case of war, happily put your children in these cardboard boxes? A personal weapon - modernized berdysh?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 3 July 2020 12: 03 New
              -2
              in the event of war, it will also be chased from storage with thunders. how difficult it is to understand that in addition to new products there is such a term combat readiness. which must be supported. there are 500 old BMPs in the troops 1. Do they need to be kicked out and reaped tests of the end of the Kurgan and boomerang? minus 500 cars what for?
              1. Pushkar
                Pushkar 5 July 2020 12: 27 New
                +1
                Quote: carstorm 11
                in the event of war, it will also be chased from storage with thunders. how difficult it is to understand that in addition to new products there is such a term combat readiness. which must be supported. there are 500 old BMPs in the troops 1. Do they need to be kicked out and reaped tests of the end of the Kurgan and boomerang? minus 500 cars what for?

                It’s not for you to burn in these boxes, that's why you write.
      2. BAI
        BAI 2 July 2020 12: 11 New
        +6
        more than a thousand pieces in storage. What is better to melt them?

        It’s better to melt them and put them into the temple than German trophy equipment, which is already left.
      3. Revival
        Revival 2 July 2020 21: 54 New
        +2
        Smelting, of course, is expensive.
        And the crews are "still giving birth"?
  20. rocket757
    rocket757 2 July 2020 07: 27 New
    +5
    Piled another symbol ... just do not stand on the spiritual, not worth it.
  21. mark1
    mark1 2 July 2020 07: 28 New
    -2
    What did the temple not please?
    Again, everything comes down to sausage. The site seems to be patriotic (or not at all?)
    1. Gost2012
      Gost2012 2 July 2020 12: 57 New
      -6
      Quote: mark1
      What did the temple not please?
      Again, everything comes down to sausage. The site seems to be patriotic (or not really already?)

      It seems not at all.
  22. Valeria Vitoldovna
    Valeria Vitoldovna 2 July 2020 07: 29 New
    +9
    I do not want to know anything who will come to this temple, whether there will be worship services, because I am an atheist. Was and remain to death. But here “I’ll love my memory”, despite my already very advanced age, I intend to go through, albeit with difficulty. but I really want to see the portrait of my dead father on the wall of the dead! This will be a tribute to the memory of him and my mother, who somewhere in heaven just blesses me with this almost feat: to walk almost 1,5 km. I think that many of those whose relatives and friends died during the war will come. It will be for the sake of this "Road ..." people with children will come to show them the halls about the war, about its beginning. about the most famous battles and Victory, so that the children know about it! Indeed, now almost every family has a car. There is no problem getting there. This we old people will not be able to, those who do not have children with cars. But the rest will definitely come! And Roman Skomorokhov should not scoff at this! We are still alive, the descendants of those who fought and who died. And we need a similar museum! And the temple - well: let the temple stand, let Shoigu take the soldiers there, let them pray there or take the oath - this is the business of the army.
    Valeria Vitoldovna
    1. demo
      demo 3 July 2020 10: 54 New
      0
      Dear Valeria Vitoldovna.
      Do not consider it to be rudeness, but you’ll somehow decide: either you are an atheist (that is, a person who does not recognize either the presence of God or the existence of an immortal soul), or you recognize the need for a place (Temple) where portraits of your deceased parents should be .
      And you also hope that your mother, “somewhere out there in heaven” blesses you on the thorny path that you are about to walk.
      Awfully mixed - faith and unbelief.
      Bravado and sorrow.
      It’s better to keep such chaotic thoughts to yourself. Do not put them on public display.
      Better yet, understand the following.
      Faith in God comes when a person faces either glaring injustice in relation to himself and his family (serious incurable diseases, sudden death of someone in the dawn of strength, the birth of a child with a mass of hereditary deformations of the body, etc.), or pathological failures in life.
      Then, when all possible sources of information have been exhausted, allowing to receive answers to questions, a person goes to God.
      Remember the words from the song Talkov - "at the last line, a person remembers God."

      Atheism is not just an antithesis to God and faith in God.
      Atheism is a parody of the right to live outside God's commandments.
      1. Valeria Vitoldovna
        Valeria Vitoldovna 6 July 2020 07: 58 New
        +1
        And I didn’t even want to answer you ... Look, how they turned everything upside down! Yes, an atheist, yes, I didn’t go and I don’t go to church. But for some reason I think, as well as everyone who lost her mother, that she is still following me, helps me. And in difficult and good minutes I turn to her, What is difficult for you to understand. I hope your mother is still alive. And I, an 80-year-old woman, do not need to give such lectures, as well as explain what “atheism” is! You have one, I have another. And I don’t even want to talk about this topic. Anyone who has experienced this will understand me correctly and will not call my words about my mother “bravado,” nor will he scoff at the word “grief”. You are probably young by slick. But if you are still a satisfied mature person, then you should be ashamed of everything that you wrote in response to my comment.
        By the way, no one forces you to go to this temple and museum? Or forced at gunpoint? Well, if you are an atheist, besides, you have absolutely none of the relatives who died in that war. I’m glad for you. Live and rejoice that you did not have to live during the years of war and in the post-war years to appreciate this temple, and, most importantly, this museum.
        1. demo
          demo 6 July 2020 08: 55 New
          0
          Once again, I apologize for the involuntarily delivered pain.
          Unfortunately, I could not assume that you are at such a mature age.
          I will not write about my losses. And their pains.
          Pain can be understood, but it cannot be shared.

          I will not return to the topic of atheism. and faith in God.
          Live as your heart tells you. Or the mind.

          I apologize again.
  23. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 2 July 2020 07: 33 New
    -6
    Monument to strengthen the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, what is not clear?
    Here, some are worried for money, so Russia sends a billion dollars a day to the US to the winners of the USSR in the twentieth century. And that 365 billion a year !!! And something Skomorokhov did not utter a hegemon about these hundreds of billions of tributes. So it’s impossible for Roma about this tribute to “suffer” and we won’t wait for Roma to report about this robbery ...
  24. Bastinda
    Bastinda 2 July 2020 07: 46 New
    23
    The classic Latin American dictator Alfredo Stroessner was elected President of Paraguay 8 times from 1954 to 1989, when half a year after the next re-election he was suddenly overthrown as a result of a military coup.
    The monument is redone from the original ruined monument to his beloved, crushed from above by a concrete slab, which is held by rusty clips. The inscription on the monument: "Never again"
    Since then, in Paraguay, no one can be president more than once without any reservations or exceptions.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 July 2020 09: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Bastinda
      The monument is redone from the original ruined monument to his beloved, crushed from above by a concrete slab, which is held by rusty clips. The inscription on the monument: "Never again"

      "Rusty bonds" did not help, now the same party in Colorado is in power laughing
  25. Victorio
    Victorio 2 July 2020 07: 46 New
    -2
    beautiful temple. for sure, they stole it, attributed it, didn’t finish it, as usual in the country and in the spirit of not its best traditions. at the same time, given the intensification of the “democratic” bulk on the authorities and the country, it is difficult to believe in the quality / sincerity / integrity of such materials.
  26. parusnik
    parusnik 2 July 2020 07: 49 New
    -3
    Well, there will be an empty and unnecessary temple in the forests near Kubinka.
    ... All you can’t get back one money .... And the people's path to it will not grow ...
    Putin and Shoigu will come to him a couple of times a year.
    ... it must be supported .. laughing
  27. Junior Warrant Officer
    Junior Warrant Officer 2 July 2020 07: 55 New
    14
    In the 90s, brothers and nouveau riche built churches and chapels, littered monasteries with money, bought indulgence, so to speak.
    This complex, the current government, is built from the same considerations.

    Do not make yourself an idol "- this is a quote from the Bible, one of the commandments of Moses (Exodus 20, 4). It is used in the meaning: do not blindly worship anyone or anything, like an idol.
    The very meaning of an idol is interpreted as a spiritual deception, a void filled with dark forces and a person worshiping him is himself influenced by demonic forces ...

    So it turns out now that nothing remains of the true faith ... The substitution of concepts that has already become traditional.

    Is it a bottom?
    “No, it will be worse.” Five years maximum, and then the Russian riot ...
  28. alexey1213
    alexey1213 2 July 2020 08: 38 New
    +8
    This temple is not for parishioners, but for perpetuating oneself loved ones and to amuse their vanity and pride.
  29. Junior Warrant Officer
    Junior Warrant Officer 2 July 2020 09: 07 New
    14
    The commandment "do not steal", 47 amendments have been made ...
  30. zxc15682
    zxc15682 2 July 2020 09: 23 New
    -8
    This temple is not to God, but to the memory of the people.
    1. RitaNik
      RitaNik 2 July 2020 10: 18 New
      +7
      If not to God, then not a temple, but something else.
  31. Undecim
    Undecim 2 July 2020 09: 25 New
    0
    Yes, the opening of the temple was clearly in a hurry. The organizers did not work, obviously there was no one to tell.
    It was necessary to open on November 2, 2021, to select the appropriate candidates for the roles of Feofan Prokopovich and Count G. I. Golovkin. Then the event would be heard all over the world !!!
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 2 July 2020 10: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Undecim
      Then the event would be heard all over the world !!!

      It would not have sounded, we can say with confidence.
      And, here is the decision of the Anglican Church to portray Christ himself as a dark-faced African, this is truly creative, purely English humor.
      This sounded to the whole world.
      1. BAI
        BAI 2 July 2020 12: 19 New
        +3
        portray Christ himself as a dark-faced African, this is truly creative

        Nothing new here.
        First: Hollywood is long gone. For example, "Bruce Almighty."
        Secondly, in Nazareth, in the Church of the Virgin, there is a gallery of icons of the Virgin, donated by various Christian churches to the temple. And there is an icon of the African Virgin. By the way, there is no icon from the Russian Orthodox Church. From Japan, African states (churches) - there is, but from the ROC - no.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 2 July 2020 12: 34 New
          0
          Quote: BAI
          Nothing new here

          Of course, nothing new, blasphemers and frankly silly always enough.
          There is nothing to take from the Anglican church - these and the dogs are crowned.
  32. leshii99
    leshii99 2 July 2020 09: 26 New
    -10
    1. Specially arrived to look at the constructed complex and the Temple.
    2. I liked the museum complex.
    3. I really liked the temple! He is what the Main Temple should be. And if you look closely, you can notice a lot of Slavic pagan heritage or symbols, it is invisible on the screen, but when you look with your own eyes, it is noticeable.
    Because this is the heading “opinion”, I’ll express my opinion - the author of the article has recently slipped from constructive criticism (I had previously read his articles with pleasure), of those or other actions by those in power, to ordinary criticism: “I don’t like everything you do.” Reminds kitchen conversations of intellectuals at any time. Usually, offended people act like that, who are removed from business.
    1. RitaNik
      RitaNik 2 July 2020 10: 17 New
      10
      Do you think that “a lot of Slavic pagan heritage or symbols” is permissible in an Orthodox church? Then you do not know anything about Orthodoxy.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 2 July 2020 10: 56 New
      +8
      Quote: leshii99
      He is what the Main Temple should be. And if you look closely, you will notice a lot of Slavic pagan heritage or symbols
      Well, an Orthodox church with pagan symbols. Ancestors from Orthodox Christians would appreciate it.
      1. BAI
        BAI 2 July 2020 12: 21 New
        -3
        Ancestors from Orthodox Christians would appreciate it.

        What did these ancestors of the statue of Perun, Dazhd-god and others dumped into the Dnieper?
  33. Million
    Million 2 July 2020 09: 50 New
    +4
    Why is there not a single monument to Putin in Russia? It’s time already
    1. aglet
      aglet 2 July 2020 11: 17 New
      +5
      with concrete slab? I agree, it's time
  34. prior
    prior 2 July 2020 10: 16 New
    +4
    Not in such a Russia, I would like to live ......
  35. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 July 2020 10: 30 New
    +1
    Well, the icons on the walls amused! Previously, they drew only already dead and valued descendants .....
  36. RitaNik
    RitaNik 2 July 2020 10: 35 New
    +4
    I think that many defenders of this building have no idea about Orthodoxy, nor about Russian culture. Look at the image of the Church of the Intercession on the Nerl and compare with the construction in Alabino ...
  37. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 2 July 2020 10: 50 New
    -8
    Of course, in some ways, Roman is right. But in general, with his ... VERY bad article, he did not offend the government, not all Orthodox believers, not all Russians, no: he insulted the memory of those who died in World War II! Yes, and all Russians respectful of the memory of the Great Patriotic War. He casually “did not notice” that memorial and museum complex, near which stands this impressive and beautiful temple! WITHOUT thoughtlessly provocatively attacking with power, he vulgarizes an excellent (in my opinion) idea of ​​memory and patriotic education: a museum complex + a temple.

    It’s a pity, it’s a pity, but, it seems, losing a good sort of journalist on the history of aviation and the navy, we get another furious thoughtless accuser of power. It seems that having suffered another defeat in the vote, Roman and his odnomadtsy were even more furious ...
    1. ORINCH
      ORINCH 2 July 2020 12: 18 New
      +4
      The museum complex is good, but why the Orthodox church? My loved ones who died in that war were not Christians. They are not worthy of memory, in your opinion? If so, there are no questions, only bewilderment. If not, then on the same square you need to build a memorial Buddhist Dugan.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 12: 28 New
        -6
        I believe that Dugan needs a mosque and a synagogue.
  38. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 2 July 2020 10: 52 New
    +9
    Roman forgot about Hitler’s costume and cap, which are exhibited in this temple. Hitler's fans can now gather there, see if it can be attached to the glass and so on. So it will not be empty
  39. Jünger
    Jünger 2 July 2020 10: 56 New
    -7
    It looks silly and ridiculous when people who do not belong to the Church begin to express their "wise" judgments about the need for one or another act relating to the Church.
    This temple is an analogue of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, which was dedicated to the victory in the Napoleonic wars and is dedicated to the heroes of these wars. And with the advent of the HHS, too, then it was not a lot.
    These temples are symbols and monuments. This temple is a guarantee and a sign that the authorities are trying to return our state to its historical path of development. Yes, it’s clear that a lot of passengers are against it and want to sing back to the barracks of the International, but they have already sung and do not need to listen to them.
    Therefore, the rule of law is here - one must adhere to the main line, and not pay attention to the cries of fragments of the Soviet past.
    1. RitaNik
      RitaNik 2 July 2020 11: 05 New
      +9
      Have you been authorized to speak on behalf of everyone in the Church?
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 2 July 2020 11: 18 New
        -3
        Quote: RitaNik
        Have you been authorized to speak on behalf of everyone in the Church?

        Of course not. But unlike Skomorokhov, who is not a Christian, I have far more rights to speak about affairs within the Church. Because I belong to her.
        But for example, I don’t have the audacity to tell Muslims why they need namaz and whether they need another mosque. Or rub the glasses to a Buddhist about the need for love for the Dalai Lama.
        Because it's not my business. And to give the opinion of the forbidden in the ministry of Kuraev is also very "smart". And why not bring the opinion of the Ukrainian "patriarch" Filaret right away?
        These scribblers of arrogance and stupidity more than enough.
        1. RitaNik
          RitaNik 2 July 2020 11: 34 New
          +5
          Many Orthodox will not agree with your opinion. And they have a right to it.
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 2 July 2020 11: 56 New
            -5
            Quote: RitaNik
            Many Orthodox will not agree with your opinion. And they have a right to it.

            All believers have two distinctive properties - not to condemn the hierarchy, especially in public.
            And second, there are no Christians who oppose building a church. Before, people built a church before building houses and infrastructure for themselves.
            If these properties are not fulfilled, the question arises - what kind of believers are these and what rights are they talking about?
            1. RitaNik
              RitaNik 2 July 2020 12: 15 New
              +3
              Why are you addressing this to me?
              1. Jünger
                Jünger 2 July 2020 13: 17 New
                0
                Quote: RitaNik
                Why are you addressing this to me?

                Because I answered initially your question. I have no idea why you asked him.
                1. RitaNik
                  RitaNik 2 July 2020 13: 36 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Junger
                  Quote: RitaNik
                  Many Orthodox will not agree with your opinion. And they have a right to it.

                  All believers have two distinctive properties - not to condemn the hierarchy, especially in public.
                  And second, there are no Christians who oppose building a church. Before, people built a church before building houses and infrastructure for themselves.
                  If these properties are not fulfilled, the question arises - what kind of believers are these and what rights are they talking about?


                  My second comment contains my statement and there is no question for you, so you have no reason to ascribe to me the above. If this is addressed to the author of the article, then write to him.
                  1. Jünger
                    Jünger 2 July 2020 13: 47 New
                    -2
                    Quote: RitaNik
                    My second comment contains my statement and there is no question for you, so you have no reason to ascribe to me the above. If this is addressed to the author of the article, then write to him.

                    If you address the statement to me, then I consider it as a question. If you think that this is not a question, then address this statement to someone else, because I have my statements in bulk. I do not address them all to you. smile
                    1. RitaNik
                      RitaNik 2 July 2020 14: 03 New
                      -1
                      If you answered me as a question, then the answer was not substantive. Excuse me. hi
          2. Whirlwind
            Whirlwind 3 July 2020 05: 06 New
            -2
            Many Orthodox will not agree with your opinion. And they have a right to it.

            And even more of them will agree, especially if they visit this temple complex, and not in absentia, like some of the local "clairvoyants" ...
            1. RitaNik
              RitaNik 3 July 2020 09: 51 New
              +2
              How can a visit to the temple complex affect my belief that both Skomorokhov and Kuraev have the right to express their opinion about the temple?
              And yet, you, as an Orthodox person, tell me, please, why does the Church of the Resurrection of Christ outside and inside have such a gloomy color scheme? The Resurrection of Christ - the victory over death, the most joyful and brightest event in the life of the Church, where there is no place for sorrow, and the mourning is inside the temple?
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 2 July 2020 12: 42 New
          +8
          Quote: Junger
          But unlike Skomorokhov, who is not a Christian, I have far more rights to speak about affairs within the Church.
          You might think that here is an Orthodox forum. Your message to Christian rights on this site looks a little strange.
          1. The comment was deleted.
          2. Jünger
            Jünger 2 July 2020 13: 21 New
            -6
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Your message to Christian rights on this site looks a little strange.

            I have no promises to rights. I have a message to common sense - no need to go where, where you have nothing to do.
  40. pepel
    pepel 2 July 2020 11: 31 New
    0
    Time will tell.
  41. nikvic46
    nikvic46 2 July 2020 11: 43 New
    -3
    I must say right away that you need a temple. Like other abandoned churches with amazing architecture. Which burn different scum. If someone believes that they are not needed, then it’s not worth it to talk in pathos. Where these churches are located, the places were depopulated. All over the world they are looking for pretexts to create internal and external tourism. Both myths about these places and real events are used. A woman gave birth to a record number of children, an entrepreneur paves the way for her. And the family is not in trouble, and the owner of this business. If the agricultural holding does not want to deal with the infrastructure, then let the business people take care of it. Put up a monument near Rzhev. It is necessary to turn the city into a "sweetie." They will say, do not confuse the sacred with the benefit. The Vatican lives largely on tourism. Do not judge strictly. I simply sketched the thoughts of the ordinary ...
    1. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 2 July 2020 21: 08 New
      +1
      and so let the old ones who also restore architectural monuments nafig remodels, the more so as the old ones say the prayed land, but at their own expense, they don’t tell us how much of the budget goes to Gundyaev
  42. BAI
    BAI 2 July 2020 11: 46 New
    +1
    1.
    For all the events of June, we somehow missed the front page of such a landmark event as the grand opening of the main army church in Alabino.

    The opening of the monument in Rzhev (near Rzhev) do not miss.
    2.
    it is completely unclear: who will pay?

    It’s completely clear - the state. Like Isaiah and Christ the Savior. They do not need any parish. A lot of flocks at the cathedrals of the Kremlin and St. Basil?
    3.
    Over the past five years, at least I have not seen a single military unit where there was not even a seedy, but a temple.

    Military unit 51105. Although it is in the former monastery, and on the walls still (since 1903) the remains of the painting have been preserved, they are not specially painted during repairs.
    4. That's really interesting, where did the amount of 12 rubles come from? What is hidden here deep, sacred, inaccessible to the understanding of a simple person meaning?
  43. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 2 July 2020 11: 59 New
    +4
    However, our Motherland - Russia is multinational, not only Orthodox are serving in the army ...
    I dare to recall that it was not Orthodox generals, but a Muslim - the cavalry general Huseyn Khan Nakhichevan remained faithful to the oath and sovereign emperor in 1917 !!!
    Muslims also fought heroically on the fronts of World War II!
    I believe that on this basis, next to this Orthodox Church, it is necessary to erect an equally magnificent mosque !!!

    Well ... you can reflect on the idea of ​​a synagogue or something else ...
  44. g1v2
    g1v2 2 July 2020 12: 18 New
    -3
    Ek then it makes you sick. laughing Over and over, the plums are coming. Bad luck. And temples are ziggurats of our civilization. Centuries will pass. We will all go to the other world, and our descendants will go there and touch history. They will still stand. How are the Kazan and St. Isaac’s Cathedrals, the Savior on Spilled Blood, St. Basil’s Cathedral, St. Sophia Cathedral in Novgorod.
    When I was in Sevastopol last year and stood in the Church of the Archangel Michael, I was suddenly struck. Exactly where I stand, one and a half hundred years ago the funeral services of admirals Istomin, Kornilov, Nakhimov. Those about whom we read in textbooks and in whose honor we name streets and ships. This is a living story and the connection of times and generations. So it will be with the main temple of the sun. Centuries will pass and heroes and commanders will pass through it, the funeral service for the dead and praise of victory will be held in it. It’s got its own story. Well, mythology. where without her. And as for the flock, the author, as always, froze nonsense - the flock in this temple is one and a half million people. Armed forces of Russia are called. Well, maybe less - Muslims have their own temples.
    1. BAI
      BAI 2 July 2020 12: 34 New
      +1
      Centuries will pass. We will all go to the other world, and our descendants will go there and touch history.

      Hitler had the Majestic Ruins program. So that even after millennia, people admire, if not the buildings themselves built under Nazism, then at least their ruins (like pyramids) (see Speer's memoirs). When designing it was laid.
      We have pride and paganism in its purest form.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 2 July 2020 13: 13 New
        +1
        Hitler also built the most powerful army at that time. So why shouldn’t we develop our army now if Hitler did this? And he built roads, so why now we don’t need to build them, what if he doesn’t look like him?
        But pride and pride in its history. a country and ancestors are two different things. It’s a pity that you don’t understand this yet. Can also understand. People sometimes grow up.
  45. thinker
    thinker 2 July 2020 12: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Trotil42
    Nekhrsti ...

    That's how fakes are born
    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu (second from right) and Metropolitan Juvenaly of Krutitsky and Kolomna (third from left) during a visit to the main temple of the Armed Forces under construction in the congress and exhibition center "Patriot" in the Moscow region.
    Event Date: 22.01.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX
  46. sniperino
    sniperino 2 July 2020 12: 46 New
    -1
    A couple of paragraphs were enough to close this accountant's reasoning about the benefits of temples.
  47. Fitter65
    Fitter65 2 July 2020 13: 30 New
    +5
    God has appeared in the Constitution. True, not in the main section, but in the "Federal Arrangement", but nevertheless, it turned out.
    Roman, you forgot to add the main word-bye. Not yet in the main section, but at the expense of
    Today we have a church in every part. Well, in almost every one.
    Well, we don’t, but there is a cross, by which only one of the entire personnel passing is baptized, it turns out that the number of believers in our military unit is at the level of static error. Regarding the order "1010", in addition to the military, civilian personnel also receive bonuses under this order, moreover, when writing the draft order, one figure is voiced, then shrinkage-utryaska was generally given well and thanks for that. In the days of the USSR, clubs, houses of culture and libraries were built, and now, as the "great combinator" said ... How much opium. for the people? "..
    1. Whirlwind
      Whirlwind 3 July 2020 05: 24 New
      -3
      Alexander, the war will begin, put your military cross on you and bear it on your Golgotha, only then you will understand, you and your kind, who is such a great combinator, with his opium and who is the Savior, with His Faith, Hope and Love.
      Or maybe you don’t understand. Do not have time ...
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 4 July 2020 08: 20 New
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        Quote: Whirlwind
        Alexander, the war will begin, shoulder your military cross on yourself and carry

        Maybe I’ll carry it, though until August 2015 I had carried it for almost 32 years, and even removed it from the military commissar ...
        Quote: Whirlwind
        then you’ll understand, you and your kind, who such a great combinator is,

        So, it’s a really great combinator, although it’s very far from being able to breed people for money in comparison with those who “serve” in objects of religious worship.
        Quote: Whirlwind
        who is the Savior, with His Faith, Hope and Love ... you will not understand. Do not have time ...

        I mean I will not have time? Although on the other hand - do I need it? And just laugh with the current obscurantists; You used to frighten people with God's punishments, now you are talking about God's mercy, and while keeping up with the times you are releasing sins online. And with a mandatory prepayment. good Indeed, without prepayment, the Lord will not have mercy and will not forgive sins. I remember when the Lord created man (by the way in his image and likeness), he said, be fruitful and multiply, and you made it a sin. And if anything, the people of my current profession appeared before God began his work. Do not believe? In vain, remember (although it’s unlikely that you haven’t been there yet), as the Lord said, “Let there be light”, and the light began, the electricians already installed the wiring in advance. laughing So, as the people say, hope for God, but don’t be fooled ... So your comment on the benefits of religious "opium for the people" past the basin. bully
      2. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 4 July 2020 21: 32 New
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        Well, the Great Combinator discredited only his direct competitors from the clergy - forgetting duty about. Fedor and priests Moroshek and Kushakovsky. By the way, interesting: Kushakovsky, of course, is a Pole. And Cloudberry? Strange surname. In general, books about O. Bender are largely prophetic. For example, when I read in my childhood how he reassured the monarchist Hvorobiev that the reason for his Soviet dreams was the existence of Soviet power - it was funny to me. How is it - now I have no time to eliminate it, will I do it on the way back? Is it like that? The union is indestructible ... However, lo and behold, the Soviet power seemed to be strong, and there really is none! In general, the forerunner.
  48. Sakmagon
    Sakmagon 2 July 2020 14: 08 New
    -1
    For a long time Skorokhov went to this. So I came.
    And remember what a joyful report he made when the Patriot park visited! And his other opinions on the topic "Homeland", "patriotism" ...
    What has changed over the years so much in his life? Where did Shoigu so offend him, Putin did not notice, what did the Motherland not give him?
    1. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 4 July 2020 21: 13 New
      0
      The tower, you see, is not enough. And it's a shame to watch how everyone on a Mercier ride, and I have Renault. I imagine so. And I don’t have Renault. I'm better on the electric bus, pensioner. On the selected lane. And let Maybakhs stand in traffic.
  49. zxc15682
    zxc15682 2 July 2020 14: 27 New
    0
    In theory, this is a temple to the 10th legion ... And the Emperor should somewhere in Turkey soak ....
    1. zxc15682
      zxc15682 2 July 2020 14: 28 New
      -3
      According to lore
  50. forester1971
    forester1971 2 July 2020 15: 35 New
    0
    As soon as I read the title and three paragraphs of the article, it became immediately clear who the author was. I will not say any bad words to the author. There is only one question - the author is probably already in adulthood and probably buried one of his ancestors (God bless health alive). It’s interesting, when he erected the monument, he also thought how much with this money he could buy sausages, furniture, or something else. I don’t know if the author gives the correct numbers, but I think that not everything in the world is measured only in money.
    1. Valera Makarenko
      Valera Makarenko 8 July 2020 12: 31 New
      +1
      For Jews, everything is measured in money. That is the difference between people and Jews.