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Information war: LDNRs are taught not to hate the enemy, but Russia and themselves

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Not a day without scandal



If we recall the events in LDNR that caused a significant resonance in the media sphere in the autumn and winter of last year, as well as in the current year, you can find that in the DNR there is a permanent scandal on the agenda. Shocks in Makeyevka (by the way, where did you go?), Salary arrears to miners, consequences of snowfall, public funeral in Gorlovka, situation on CPVV, allegedly food shortages and price increases (in fact, only ginger and lemons went up in price), supposedly terrible conditions in hospitals and the current situation with the ability to travel to Ukraine. These and many other situations instantly became the subject of lively discussion on the Internet, which then poured into social networks, publics and Telegrams and then became the subject of discussion in local (and not only) media, forcing the authorities, who are constantly one step behind, to react differently.

For the entire period under review, the only scandal in the LPR that managed to “rock” enough to appear in the Russian and Ukrainian media was the miners' strikes in Zorinsk and Anthracite. Moreover, both situations were instantly localized and successfully neutralized. On the whole, the head of the LPR, Leonid Pasechnik, knowingly being a colonel of the SBU in the past, effectively suppresses any sedition, be it an enemy provocation or a real problem. However, it is worth noting that the LNR internal policy department, in contrast to the neighboring republic, responds quite quickly to any signals, trying to extinguish their cause on the same day. A similar situation was with the late Alexander Zakharchenko: the previous head of the DPR was not tolerant of criticism or legibility in methods, so the criticism sounded only from a safe distance and not very loudly.

Reel mode


It’s easy to notice that the attack is precisely on the DPR: the resources that “denounce” the LPR are much smaller and they are almost all amateurish, while Donetsk is systematically muddied using a wide range of technologies and tools, from outright fakes and manipulations to kidnapping and publication of internal documents (it is obvious that moles are present in the government of the DPR), not intended for publication or falsification of them. It is almost impossible to verify the authenticity of the average person, and the authorities themselves are traditionally secretive. Moreover, this secrecy is only worse: when Donetsk denied having debts to the miners, all this almost ended in strikes similar to those that eventually happened in the LPR.

However, the target is not only Denis Pushilin and not even LDNR as a whole; Against the backdrop of constantly fanned panic and relishing negativity, thousands of comments are thrown into social networks every day, in which criticism of the authorities of LDNR is gradually turning into criticism of LDNR as a whole, then into criticism of the government and President of Russia Vladimir Putin, and then of the whole of Russia (most often in the spirit of modern pseudo-communists: “rasiyantsy”, the Russian Federation “not subjective”, “power is criminal”, etc.). The concept is dull-aggressive and quite suitable for people who are close-sighted, but romantically inclined, for the so-called guard patriots, and for those who, for one reason or another, harbor a grudge against the Russian Federation or LDNR.

The concept is simple: Russia betrayed the idea of ​​Novorossia, and then LDNR, forbidding incredibly efficient militias to clean Kiev, and now it is grinding the most passionate ones to turn Lugansk and Donetsk to Ukraine. The fact that the "vacationers" saved the militia from defeat, that no one in Kiev (except Moscow, which simply does not need it by military means) could have taken it, that it was "poured", but not "poured", for the seventh year already, and other reasonable arguments are instantly explained by the machinations of the enemy, etc.

A New Twist


As a result, we are dealing with a mass of supposedly patriotic resources, which, under the auspices of anti-Ukrainian and anti-fascist rhetoric and the defense of the "ideals of New Russia", etc. are engaged in fierce propaganda against LDNR and Russia. Hatred of the enemy itself is gradually being replaced by hatred of her own. Moreover, it is worth paying tribute to the efforts of enemies: over the years, their audience is gradually growing and among this audience are increasingly visible not only Internet warriors and inhabitants, but also journalists, public figures, etc. Yes, today we are talking about a relatively small flock scattered in the Russian Federation, LDNR, Ukraine and the whole world, largely diluted by people on salaries. However, against the background of the policy of the Russian Federation that is not too clear for the majority of the Russian Federation regarding Donbass and Ukraine as a whole, the number of those who are disappointed and believe in a total "drain" is growing.

It is clear that by purely forceful methods, as in the LPR, it will not be possible to defeat the information war, especially since digital technologies are becoming more complex and users are sophisticated. A balanced response requires adequate work of the relevant ministries in Lugansk and Donetsk, however, to date, the work of the Ministry of Information in the DPR does not hold water (in the LPR a little better): the structure more often becomes a source of scandals than helps to neutralize them. It is enough to mention the recent speech by Basurin, in which the speaker of the DPR NM, in a slightly elevated mood, told stupid things about the militia and that the republic owed them nothing.

It is quite possible to win back the situation, but for this it is urgently necessary to restore order in the information sector of Donetsk and Lugansk. Otherwise, the number of those who believe in the "drain" and gradually transfer their anger from Kiev to Moscow will grow, and the LDNR authorities, already utterly defamed, will soon appear completely unattractive. The information war - this is not for you to eat lobio. Having lost in Ukraine, where professional Russians spent 25 years cutting budgets, conducting endless Pushkin readings, Russia is now simply obliged to win in the Donbas.
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  1. Avior
    Avior 1 July 2020 05: 29 New
    17
    The author has inflated ideas about propaganda.
    Today, the republics show a low economic level, which is clearly seen in the very low salary levels.
    Propaganda may restrain dissatisfaction with this party for some time, but North Korea, not LDNR, is needed for this to happen for a long time.
    The second obvious way is to fundamentally reverse the existing economic trends, but with this obviously difficulties, they could have long since changed.
    That is, in fact, the problem is much deeper and more dramatic than some kind of information war
    1. Civil
      Civil 1 July 2020 07: 27 New
      +2
      I feel sorry for people ... they have nothing to do with it ...
    2. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 1 July 2020 07: 46 New
      +1
      And the article is somehow lantern, well, or from the "shed ceiling" typed. Not just everything here. Very difficult. But with horses and war criminals Kuevsky has long been out of the way. LONG.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 1 July 2020 08: 31 New
        +5
        It is quite possible to win back the situation, but for this it is urgently necessary to restore order in the information sector of Donetsk and Lugansk. Otherwise, the number of those who believe in the "drain" and gradually transfer their anger from Kiev to Moscow will increase, and the LDNR authorities, already extremely defamated, will soon look completely unattractive. The information war - this is not for you to eat lobio.


        Do not stand by the side, harness the cart,author...

        The devastation doesn’t start from the toilets, but from the heads ... And of course, information provided, this is what primarily affects the mood of people yes

        BUT BUT BUT... stop

        What is meant by "cleaning up the information sector"?
        Punitive measures to prevent "leakage" from the forefront of the mood in the NM of the DPR and LPR caused by the "Minsk"? After all, it is precisely these judgments, multiplied by other problems, that give rise to thinking about a "drain" ...


        Quote: LJ Colonel Cassad from 26.06.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX
        “I talked with the Lugansk military, depressed mood. The situation is worse than I thought. Big losses again. Ukrainians attack from impunity. Because in the LPR troops there is a permanent ban on opening fire, and for failure to comply with the military they threaten dismissals and criminal cases. This was the case before, but nevertheless a certain freedom of action and an unwritten right to violate the Minsk agreements were preserved in some areas (the DB itself did not initiate, but still responded to the shelling). Now there is not even that. (CENSORSHIP). Infinite (CENSOR), ”writes the famous rebel and publicist Alexander Zhuchkovsky on the network.

        * * *
        “Sash, I talked with the Donetsk military - the situation is no better. “Dill is not at all embarrassed to analyze our positions with the help of everything that they have. On our side, there are still several units at the front that “under the black flags” allow themselves to snap back. But this is a drop in the ocean. " Direct speech, ”they answer Zhukovsky in the Telegram channel“ Warrior of the 2nd category ”, quoting an anonymous military man from Donetsk.
        1. German Titov
          German Titov 1 July 2020 11: 24 New
          +2
          Along the way, Yegor Makhov (a militia — in one fell swoop — seven murders (from early Makhov), an almost deserved “information military”.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 1 July 2020 11: 30 New
            +4
            Quote: German Titov
            Along the way, Yegor Makhov (a militia — in one fell swoop — seven murders (from early Makhov), an almost deserved “information military”.

            В Drugs he wrote that he served and how, where, by whom and when (this is crucial) request
        2. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 3 July 2020 13: 15 New
          -5
          What do you have against Minsk-2? In general, there is an understanding of what the Minsk agreement is for? What role do they play?
          Do you know that all liberals, urapatriasts, Americans dream that Russia should abandon Minsk-2? Know why?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 3 July 2020 13: 21 New
            -1
            Quote: Tank jacket
            What do you have against Minsk-2? In general, there is an understanding of what the Minsk agreement is for? What role do they play?

            Do you still have the arrogance, not apologizing for lying to me, to ask questions?

            Ask the "Observer", "he is from New Russia," he will tell yes
            1. Tank jacket
              Tank jacket 3 July 2020 13: 23 New
              -5
              Which mill do you pour water on when you scold Minsk-2? Who do you work for?
              I ask again
              Do you know that all liberals, urapatriasts, Americans dream that Russia should abandon Minsk-2? Know why?
      2. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
        evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 3 July 2020 14: 40 New
        +2
        Makhov - he is always like that, dear Alex Nevs. ,, Lampposts ,,,, typed from the ceiling, articles - his profile. He is poorly guided in the life of the republics, but, courageously, takes up an analysis of the situation on their territory. (Does Soloviev as an “expert” want to get there? ,, Bablosikov, cut it down?
        What ,, resources ,,? Who is interested in the LDNR supostatist, fierce propaganda ,,? Young grandparents over 50 years old ... What do they care about ,, enemy information resources ”? They really can’t use smartphones. She’s an ordinary guard in a dormitory ... she’s about 60 years old. Salary - 4 rubles. Plus, the pension is 000 s. It also helps children and grandchildren. How does she survive on this money?
        Prices in Novorossia are exactly the same as in Russia.
        A soldier of the popular militia, over 50, is a common occurrence. Without ,, fighting ,, receives 15 000 rubles ,, ,, breadwinner ,,. This is two times less than that of a handyman or janitor in Moscow. Moreover, these 15 thousand paid in 2015. But the dollar has risen significantly since that time and in fact monetary allowance has decreased by almost 2 times (all adequate human people should remember that the post-Soviet space is subordinated to the drllar dictate, now 30 years and transfer their income to ,, dollars ,, very appropriate, smart and sensible). Here, Makhov would explain how it would be possible to effectively steer the state through the state (at least Novorossiya, at least the “Big Brother - Curator”, -, capitalist Russia ,, (,, RK ,,)) so that the incomes of the population do not grow and SURELY FALLED from year to year! What's the point
        the existence of SUCH states that do not solve their problems for citizens? Hiding behind the tales of ,, the enemies of the domestic and the outside, “who are sleeping and seeing, as if to discredit, the bright image, ...
        For decades, it was not accepted in Ukraine to get drunk to insensibility. They drank carefully, with a good snack ... Now in New Russia you can see drunken sleeping men at bus stops, on roadsides. Such a fashion trend, which is about a couple of years old. “Drunkenness from despair” has become very common. And pensioners at garbage cans? Is this ,, enemy propaganda ,,? You little eyes, develop,,, great experts on the problems of New Russia! The common people in Ukraine and Novorosiya LIVING WORSE WERE THAN HE LIVED BEFORE THE WAR. What, who doesn’t understand? ,, Aliens ,, do not know about this? But so they are not with us, they live in ,, other galaxies ,,. Where there are other incomes, other cars, and “Khatynochki”, where they don’t notice this war ,, (in the best case, they also make money on it).
        That’s why Makhov’s turn out to be clumsy, - he wants to be good for the aliens too for aliens.
        ... And the states ,, mentioned above, also fail (and will not succeed) as long as they put false, dirty and mocking, market relations, and not REAL universal values
    3. qQQQ
      qQQQ 1 July 2020 09: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      That is, in fact, the problem is much deeper and more dramatic than some kind of information war

      I support, any information war has, first of all, an internal basis. If the economy of the Lao PDR is high enough, accordingly the prosperity of the inhabitants, then all the attempts of Kiev in terms of propaganda would be ridiculous.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 1 July 2020 09: 44 New
        +4
        Whether the Lao PDR’s economy is high enough

        And where did he, tall come from?
        Have you found billions of barrels of oil near Lugansk? Not? Then where from? Industrial and scientific breakthrough? So it takes several decades of hard work. Coal is not in favor now, gas has tried. Coal mining is becoming less profitable, and in some places unprofitable. Russia helps LDNR; without its help, the situation in the republics would be utopianly depressing.
        1. pereselenec
          pereselenec 1 July 2020 11: 16 New
          0
          Quote: Doccor18
          And where did he, tall come from?


          Before the war, Donbass, according to its residents, fed the whole of Ukraine. It is very strange that having thrown off the millions of 40 parasites, the breadwinners not only did not heal several times richer, but also fell into poverty, even by the standards of 404.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 1 July 2020 11: 29 New
            +9
            Lugansk and Donetsk regions had a strong metallurgical and mining industry left over from the USSR. They did not feed the whole of Ukraine, of course, but they were never a parasite, in contrast to the extremely western regions. However, enterprises and industries of this scale require comparable investments. But they were not and are not. Moreover, a break with the rest of the country, a break in technological and financial chains ... Moreover, war, destruction, and population migration. All this only exacerbates economic problems. And the point here is not in the region and in the inhabitants, but in the root of the situation. If you separate, for example, the Novosibirsk and Kursk regions, and shell them regularly ... What will happen to the economy, with salaries?
          2. Insurgent
            Insurgent 1 July 2020 11: 39 New
            -2
            Quote: pereselenec
            Before the war, Donbass, according to its residents, fed the whole of Ukraine. It is very strange that having thrown off the millions of 40 parasites, the breadwinners not only did not heal several times richer, but also fell into poverty, even by the standards of 404.

            Would you finally move to your alternate reality yes .
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 1 July 2020 11: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Doccor18
          And where did he, tall come from?
          Have you found billions of barrels of oil near Lugansk? Not? Then where from? Industrial and scientific breakthrough?

          Especially on the "base" of the potential left by the Outskirts for decades of the sack of Donbass, multiplied by military devastation?

          Moreover, in the LPR, the industrial potential of which suffered to a much greater extent than in the DPR ...
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 1 July 2020 10: 06 New
      10
      And how can it be broken then? 4 East Ukrainian regions (Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, Lugansk and Zaporizhzhya) are a single metallurgical complex. Now it is torn by the front line. Property owners are sitting on Ukrainian territory. Since the republics do not yet have international legitimacy, any deliveries abroad are possible only through gray schemes, through intermediaries under the guise of Russian products. That is cheap, and even with a fee to intermediaries. Again, the metal remained on the other side. And the complex was based on the close proximity to the mining of Dnepropetrovsk metal and Donbass coal, plus Zaporizhzhya energy and the Mariupol port for processing and export. To transport ore from somewhere far away? Well carry, but such pr-in will not become profitable. request
      Coal is now so cheap, plus its consumption in major markets is declining. The miners are also on strike in Ukraine. We have nowhere to put our own coal. Plus, sooner or later, Siberian power plants will have to be converted to gas. The only thing that saves our coal miners is that the Chinese are closing their coal mining faster than they are closing coal-fired power plants. For the time being, the Chinese are buying our coal to make up the difference, but sooner or later it will end. request
      Why do the republics make an economic leap? What to climb then? Especially with a population of 3,7 million people? Plus, in the conditions of a sluggish war and, if possible, that the enterprise will be damaged by shelling? Old man Khattabych is definitely not there. request
      The Russian Federation is also completely unprofitable to build on a foreign territory some pr-va or restore Ukrainian. The same Gorlovsky Styrene, owned by Firtash, costs us one competitor less. To restore it at the Russian expense, creating a competitor to our enterprises? What is this for? belay
      In general, the main direction now will surely be - encouraging the massive relocation of the working-age population in the Russian Federation. We always need people. And the republics will be easier in terms of unemployment and social programs. Well and further - attempts of international legalization of the authorities of the republics through some elections, the main thing is to be recognized. Then it will be possible to trade without intermediaries. request
    5. A.Lex
      A.Lex 2 July 2020 08: 08 New
      +1
      Sergey, the information war is not
      some kind of information war
      This is a war of extermination and information (true or false) plays one of the leading roles here. Washings of everything in LDNR and the Russian Federation are one of the parts of the war “by other methods”. The creation of panic, uncertainty about tomorrow, the creation of a negative image of state structures, false rumors about food collapse and economic insolvency and, as a result, the undermining of CONFIDENCE in the authorities is all that was done during Goebbels propaganda, then its successor is American, and “Ukrainian "- flesh from American flesh! And what can we say about the Internet, which is like a garbage pit where everything falls out, in which NO ONE is going to bother to write the Truth at least somehow? It was not for nothing that China began to pursue a policy of OWN information security (although, if desired, prohibitions there can circumvent, BUT IT IS FRAEW). At us all this garbage dump is NOT limited by ANYTHING. Because all sorts of "Ukrainian" trolls and squad units shit in the ears of ordinary citizens as soon as they can. And the erosion of trust in the state has killed more than one state, and if in this context we talk about Russia, then in the twentieth century we twice lost our state, with difficulty swimming out of chaos.
      That's why you are wrong!
      And as for the article, the ending is indicative:
      urgent need to restore order in the information sector of Donetsk and Lugansk
      - WHAT IS THE ORDER IN THE INFRASPACE LDNR CAN BE SPEAKED IF IF IN RUSSIA THIS ORDER IS NOT, from the word AT ALL ??? Or are they punishing us for a lie (in accordance with the severity of false statements)? NOT! What then to say about the republics. if all these liars (all kinds of rains, echoes and the like), as well as the DIRECTLY American propaganda structures (such as Radio Liberty) that openly shame the RF itself, feel at ease and comfortable ???
  2. avia12005
    avia12005 1 July 2020 05: 46 New
    +9
    The problem is the lack of clear goals for LDNR and Russia itself in the Ukrainian direction.
    1. codetalker
      codetalker 1 July 2020 06: 05 New
      -8
      The goals are clear and precise (for Russia), someone has problems understanding them.
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 1 July 2020 08: 52 New
        0
        Well, yes, everyone is dumb.
        1. codetalker
          codetalker 1 July 2020 11: 47 New
          -1
          Why all???
          And not stupid, but do not understand some issues ...
          1. avia12005
            avia12005 1 July 2020 14: 00 New
            +2
            Then enlighten, if not difficult) especially on some issues)
            1. codetalker
              codetalker 1 July 2020 14: 23 New
              -2
              For which specifically?
              1. avia12005
                avia12005 1 July 2020 15: 42 New
                +3
                How? On the goals of the policy of the Russian Federation in the Ukrainian direction, methods for their achievement and the final result. Thank.
                1. codetalker
                  codetalker 1 July 2020 16: 37 New
                  -2
                  Ukraine must be a democratic, neutral, stable state. This is a medium-term goal for Ukraine.
                  Instrumentation: DNR, LNR, Minsk agreements, RF Armed Forces.
                  LDNR should take place as a management entity, and then take control of the whole of Ukraine. Repress Natsik, adjust inf policy, etc.
                  In fact, they have already gained minimally sufficient stability for this. So the Kiev fascists can only officially abandon the Minsk agreements, or throw something else out. And military intervention will follow (with the support of Russia, if necessary) in order to restore the constitutional order.
                  1. avia12005
                    avia12005 1 July 2020 17: 09 New
                    +3
                    "Must be" does not mean that it will. “LDNR should take place as a subject of governance, and then take control of the whole of Ukraine” - these are only good wishes, nothing is being done to put them into practice. "Repress Natsik" from the same series.
                    1. codetalker
                      codetalker 1 July 2020 17: 38 New
                      -1
                      You asked about the goals. I voiced them. Now, really, little is being done in this direction, but a lot has already been done. Honestly, there was such a situation that you can just wait ....
                      1. avia12005
                        avia12005 2 July 2020 06: 52 New
                        +6
                        You said everything seems to be correct, but there are only big doubts about the implementation.
  3. codetalker
    codetalker 1 July 2020 05: 48 New
    +3
    Russians are also actively taught to hate Russia.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 2 July 2020 08: 02 New
      0
      How is it different?
      There are no Nazis in Russia, but a fairly cohesive 5 column is functioning, which is now not acting just because:
      1. There is no informational reason.
      2. The presence of the Russian Guard.
      3. Expecting results from the markedly increased aggressive realities of the Russian media - even if they show aggressiveness from under the stick, but the Western media have noticeably faded (except for notorious fakers like N. Pelossi) - her senile hysteria looks just ridiculous.
      And most importantly: until the ideological foundations for building power in LDNR and in Russia are agreed upon, there can be no talk of creating a single market space, nor of military support (even “vacationers”), nor of the prospects for development and unification.
      By the way, Russia now cannot talk at all about nito about the economy, because it is on the verge of reforming its own economy, and the fact that 2 weeks have passed since Borisov chopped off Nabiullina’s hands speaks very eloquently (For a long time, 18.06.20 .XNUMX - Defeat of Nabiullina. Borisov officially announced his rejection of the policy of economic liberalism)
      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/dvinsy/porajenie-nabiullinoi-borisov-oficialno-zaiavil-ob-otkaze-ot-politiki-ekonomicheskogo-liberalizma-5eeb678c7f82f1579c9dce09
  4. Egoza
    Egoza 1 July 2020 05: 48 New
    12
    Something the author exaggerates in relation to the militias, who "longed to clean up Kiev." There was a desire to completely free the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk region. And we would have had enough. But why it was stopped and it was not clear who was sent for "settlement" - let it remain on the conscience of the one who did it.
    Is everything all right in the LPR? Oh well. I modestly note that there are no former, even in such a sales office as the SBU.
    professional Russians spent 25 years cutting budgets through endless Pushkin readings,

    Excuse me, but who are the professional Russians? And what budget did they saw? I can only say that, until recently, teachers of the Russian language and literature held Pushkin readings, prepared children, rented suits for their own expense! Well, if the parents helped. And then later the same teachers “flew” from RONO, because then the nationalists had already begun to capture warm places in “high offices”.
    1. My address
      My address 1 July 2020 06: 17 New
      +7
      Dear Elena love !
      It seems to me that by professional Russians the author meant the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, including its structure - Rossotrudnichestvo. After all, these "professionals" managed to give money to the "zapadents" for their "cultural self-identification" not only in Galicia, but throughout Ukraine. Agree that the Russian Foreign Ministry in the recent history of Ukraine and a specific Maidan looks ...
    2. qQQQ
      qQQQ 1 July 2020 09: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      But why it was stopped and it was not clear who was sent for "settlement" - let it remain on the conscience of the one who did it

      Unfortunately, Russia is not the USSR; Crimea hit the budget quite hard. Most likely, with further advancement, we would have been imposed much more stringent sanctions, although over time they were still made. In general, my opinion is that the economy intervened.
      1. CSKA
        CSKA 1 July 2020 10: 10 New
        0
        Quote: qqqq
        Crimea hit budget hard enough

        How? If you are not aware, then only about 20 regions of the Russian Federation are budget donors, the rest are subsidized, so the small Crimea, with a small population and with gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Russian Federation, did not hit the budget in any way.
        1. qQQQ
          qQQQ 1 July 2020 20: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: CSKA
          didn’t hit the budget.

          This is if without sanctions, but if you count the losses from them?
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 2 July 2020 12: 54 New
            -2
            Quote: qqqq
            This is if without sanctions, but if you count the losses from them?

            Budget revenues from sanctions have not fallen. 40% of budget revenues are hydrocarbons. They have been bought and bought from us. Everything also concerns the export of metals, the chemical industry, and mechanical engineering.
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 1 July 2020 11: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      Something the author exaggerates in relation to the militias, who "longed to clean up Kiev."

      Why did you decide that based on what ideas?

      It is no secret, after all, that in 2014 and the beginning of 2015, we firmly expressed our intention to return the war to where it came from - to the Kiev and Lviv rogues.

      But "Minsk","big political game", great cut off our wings ...



  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 1 July 2020 05: 59 New
    +4
    Of course, we need to put things in order in the information sector of LDNR, but I would start with the Russian media, it’s painfully insolent, different echoes, rains and other riffraff, and TV needs to be put in order.
    1. codetalker
      codetalker 1 July 2020 06: 08 New
      +7
      God bless him with an echo. We need to put things in order in more important media. The deputy director general of VGTRK demands a monument to the Nazi criminal.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 1 July 2020 06: 10 New
        +2
        So dismiss him under the relevant article, but for which there is always. Let the wife demands.
        1. codetalker
          codetalker 1 July 2020 06: 21 New
          +5
          Do not get fired! It means that he has many "accomplices" with the same beliefs in the power structures and other departments.
      2. Nick
        Nick 1 July 2020 08: 14 New
        -4
        Quote: codetalker
        God bless him with an echo. We need to put things in order in more important media. The deputy director general of VGTRK demands a monument to the Nazi criminal.

        Kiselev proposes to remove an excessive number of monuments V.I. Lenin, but only those who are in a deplorable state, and to erect monuments to other historical figures of Russia, nothing more. You just distort the facts.
        1. codetalker
          codetalker 1 July 2020 11: 44 New
          +2
          "We need to erect monuments to Kolchak, Wrangel, Denikin, Krasnov ..."
          Didn't he say that? Or is Krasnov not a Nazi criminal?
          1. Nick
            Nick 1 July 2020 14: 46 New
            -8
            Quote: codetalker
            "We need to erect monuments to Kolchak, Wrangel, Denikin, Krasnov ..."
            Didn't he say that? Or is Krasnov not a Nazi criminal?

            Krasnov is not a Nazi criminal. He was charged with espionage and reprisals against civilians and prisoners. But he was not recognized as a Nazi criminal.
            As for Kolchak, Wrangel and Denikin, they are generally innocent of the Motherland, they are participants in the civil war, as well as Chapaev, Budyonny, Voroshilov, etc. Therefore, all the participants of those terrible events for the Fatherland are worthy of memory.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 1 July 2020 18: 45 New
              +4
              Quote: Nick
              Krasnov is not a Nazi criminal. He was charged with espionage and reprisals against civilians and prisoners. But he was not recognized as a Nazi criminal.

              and who was? In Nuremberg, too, no one was recognized as a "Nazi criminal." military yes. as well as SSovets Krasnov.
              Quote: Nick
              With regards to Kolchak, Wrangel and Denikin, they are generally innocent of the Motherland

              Let me remind you that they are so "innocent" that Kolchak even in the 90s could not wash, so he is in blood and dirt.
              Quote: Nick
              Therefore, all the participants of those terrible events for the Fatherland are worthy of memory.

              Who? collaborators openly collaborating with the occupiers? Kolchak, who wrote about the need to adopt the tactics of the Japanese to cut out the civilian population? Are you seriously??? belay Isn’t you trying to hang Mannerheim’s stuff?
              1. Nick
                Nick 1 July 2020 22: 09 New
                -3
                Quote: SanichSan
                With regards to Kolchak, Wrangel and Denikin, they are generally innocent of the Motherland

                Let me remind you that they are so "innocent" that Kolchak even in the 90s could not wash, so he is in blood and dirt.

                And who in Moscow fired from heavy artillery and three-inch shrapnel? WHO?! For boys-cadets, for residential buildings indiscriminately. Then ordinary townsfolk, who were killed by more than a thousand! Or can the Bolsheviks shoot people? Who drowned into the sea whole barges of White Army soldiers and officers who surrendered in Crimea? Surrendered, captured, and not captured with weapons in the hands of the same Russian people! Not the Bolsheviks? You have my friend, a one-sided vision of those events. The atrocities were on the part of the Reds and the Whites. So why are the red commanders honored and respected by you? Why don’t you grieve for those Russians, and indeed non-Russians, who were deprived of their lives by the Red Bolsheviks?
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 2 July 2020 00: 46 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Nick
                  And who in Moscow fired from heavy artillery and three-inch shrapnel? WHO?! For the Boy Junkers

                  forgot to add "they are children !! 11" laughing
                  Quote: Nick
                  indiscriminately for residential buildings.

                  hmmm .. are you by any chance not talking about bloody sunday? well, there the Semenovites hurricane so mom don’t chase. that's exactly how you described.
                  Quote: Nick
                  Then ordinary townsfolk, who were killed neither in sleep nor in spirit, more than a thousand!

                  in in. not? don't remember 1905 .. well wink or "God save the king" howls in your head?
                  Quote: Nick
                  Who drowned into the sea whole barges of White Army soldiers and officers who surrendered in Crimea?

                  surrendered? on the barges? sorry not everyone had time .. many still fled, and then they went to the SS.
                  Quote: Nick
                  Surrendered, captured, and not captured with weapons in the hands of the same Russian people!

                  how did these "same Russians" act with the prisoners, or do you yourself know what is in the mud to the ears? and they committed these crimes before fleeing from the Crimea, and those who returned with the Nazis did the same already in 41-45.
                  Quote: Nick
                  So why are the red commanders honored and respected by you?

                  everything is very simple. the Bolsheviks defended their country and their people, and those geeks whom you are trying to whitewash defended only their petty-bourgeois ambitions and were ready to return the estate to the Nazis to return their estate and "drive the people into a stall," and entente.
                  Quote: Nick
                  Why don’t you grieve for those Russians, and indeed non-Russians, who were deprived of their lives by the Red Bolsheviks?
                  why I don’t grieve .. about the peasants, about the workers I grieve, but it’s definitely not about that trash who from the Crimea with the Entente fled to the west. the bastards who betrayed their king to whom they swore allegiance and whose homeland they swore. all betrayed and regularly betrayed each other. abomination. no

                  here one Canadian tried to find Soviet fascists. I didn’t figure it out and found the Russian fascists ... and imagine, those same Crimean floating athletes and Manjurian runners.
                  1. Malyuta
                    Malyuta 2 July 2020 01: 01 New
                    +2
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    but it’s definitely not about that trash who from the Crimea with Entente fled to the west. the bastards who betrayed their king to whom they swore allegiance and whose homeland they swore. all betrayed and regularly betrayed each other. abomination

                    Comrade, I strongly support you! drinks And please note that these very followers of those characters now support ebnoputinism! Symbolic, however!
                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 2 July 2020 01: 26 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      And please note that these very followers of those characters now support ebnoputinism!

                      Well, Duc, they hope again to return the "Russia we lost" (pah) on Putin's shoulders. only Putin needs them as well as the fascists and the Entente request
                      Putin defends the interests of the big bourgeoisie, which, in fact, overthrew the king, and now will put what chtol? even doubtful no
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      Symbolic, however!

                      Rake dancing is their ancient tradition! yes
                      1. Nick
                        Nick 2 July 2020 03: 04 New
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                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Putin defends the interests of the big bourgeoisie which,

                        Putin defends the interests of the state and the people, which in fact confirms his amendments to the Constitution. The overwhelming majority of the people also thinks, which the vote itself confirmed.
                        Putin is Stalin today!
                      2. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 2 July 2020 13: 03 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Nick
                        Putin defends the interests of the state and the people, which is what his amendments to the Constitution actually confirm.

                        and what do the billions-dollar infusions into the business of the oligarch Deripaska, the victim of sanctions, confirm? is he that "people"? probably very poor that he needs help from the budget?
                        Quote: Nick
                        The overwhelming majority of the people also thinks, which is exactly what the vote confirmed.

                        Of course it does. I, by the way, from among the very people wink while our big bourgeoisie faced horns with the western big bourgeoisie, they are forced to raise the standard of living in the country so that they are not torn down from the inside. no illusions needed. First of all, they protect their interests, but at this stage they are forced to protect the interests of the country and the people, otherwise their Western colleagues will devour them. what will happen when they make peace with the west? same as in the 90s.
                        Quote: Nick
                        Putin is Stalin today!

                        enchanting! belay I’ll tell you a secret that even close is not so bully under Stalin, the people had instruments of influence on power. there were procedures allowing to voters to recall a deputy who is not fulfilling his obligations, now there is nothing of the kind. the authorities are doing everything to minimize the influence of the people on their activities. your attempts to equate the Stalinist system of power based on high responsibility and not giving the leaders gigantic material wealth and the modern manger, this is ridiculous lol
                        Stalin is an ascetic who fought for the ideas of a just society, Putin is a businessman defending his business. request
                      3. Nick
                        Nick 2 July 2020 16: 49 New
                        -1
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        enchanting! I’ll tell you a secret that even under Stalin the people had instruments of influence on power. there were procedures allowing voters to recall a deputy who is not fulfilling his obligations,

                        Enchanting! The recall procedures have been and are now. How many have already been deprived of parliamentary mandates and district councils and the Duma too.
                      4. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 2 July 2020 17: 15 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Nick
                        The recall procedures have been and are now.

                        do you have problems understand what is written? I kind of even highlighted in bold ... request not? you do not catch how the decision of colleagues of deputies or the court differs from the decision of voters?
                      5. Nick
                        Nick 2 July 2020 18: 19 New
                        -1
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        do you have problems understand what is written? I kind of even highlighted in bold ... no? you do not catch how the decision of colleagues of deputies or the court differs from the decision of voters?

                        And how many deputies did the voters withdraw from the USSR Armed Forces?
                      6. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 2 July 2020 19: 03 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Nick
                        And how many deputies did the voters withdraw from the USSR Armed Forces?

                        as far as I know no. then choose worthy. the deputies did not give dismissal from work, serious preferences and imposed great responsibility. choose worthy.
                        Now parliament is a feeder to which those who want easy money are eager. wink you didn't know?
        2. Nick
          Nick 2 July 2020 02: 47 New
          -2
          Quote: SanichSan
          why I don’t grieve .. about the peasants, about the workers I grieve, but it’s definitely not about that trash who fled from the Crimea with the Entente to the west. bastards who betrayed their king to whom they swore allegiance and whose homeland they swore. all betrayed and regularly betrayed each other. abomination

          You sprinkle generalizations in relation to some, but for some reason you forget about others. You say that the Bolsheviks were for the Motherland, for the people, but they themselves took money for their revolutions from the German headquarters, and this was during the war with Germany. Arranging unrest in Russia, the Bolsheviks carried out the task of the German specials. services and in fact were the fifth pro-German column in the rear of the Russian troops. You speak the Bolsheviks for the people, but then why did they shoot peasants in the Tambov and Yaroslavl provinces and many more where. Why do you remember 1905, and forget how the Bolshevik authorities shot desperate, ordinary workers in Novocherkassk and other cities in June 1962 who came to a peaceful protest because of higher food prices and lower wages. Forgot?! You are very subjective to be truthful. You are not looking for the truth and are carrying red propaganda, forgetting about the crimes of the Bolsheviks against Russia and against the people.
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 2 July 2020 12: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: Nick
            that the Bolsheviks for the Motherland, for the people, but they themselves took money for their revolution from the German headquarters

            sisson documents? the fact that this fake has been proven by both Western and Russian historians. by appealing to such fakes you demonstrate the falsity of your ideals and ideas. wink keep up the good work! soldier
            Quote: Nick
            You speak the Bolsheviks for the people, but then why did they shoot peasants in the Tambov and Yaroslavl provinces and many more where.

            they didn’t “shoot the peasants,” but suppressed the Esser riots in the rear. your favorite Kolchak writes about mass executions and punitive operations following the example of the Japanese. this is his method.
            Quote: Nick
            you forget how the Bolshevik authorities shot desperate, ordinary workers in Novocherkassk and other cities in June 1962
            1962? Bolshevik? hard case .. this detail does not affect the essence but is indicative in terms of educational level. and they began to shoot after the "civilian workers" began to seize weapons in police stations. again, a punitive operation like the Semenovites, war criminal Kolchak or SSovets Krasnov, was not carried out. it is your idols that can support power only with terror and mass executions. it is a fact.
            Quote: Nick
            You are very subjective to be truthful.

            opposite. I do not think that the Bolsheviks and later the Communists were ideal. recall at least 37-38 and the forced Ukrainization of the Maloros, but in comparison with the White Guards who could offer nothing but slavery and terror, the Bolsheviks are definitely the best choice.
            Quote: Nick
            You are not looking for the truth, but are carrying red propaganda, forgetting about the crimes of the Bolsheviks against Russia and against the people.

            it’s better than the fascist Ivan Ilyin, who carries a mile away from you ...
            1. Nick
              Nick 2 July 2020 18: 37 New
              -2
              Quote: SanichSan
              sisson documents? the fact that this fake has been proven by both Western and Russian historians.

              I do not see evidence. they are all fake. Judge by business. A separate peace was concluded with Kaiser Germany and part of the territories was given to them. Well, we assume that it’s just out of friendship, not for money. Nevertheless, a fact is a fact.
              Once again, for those who are especially stubborn, I am not trying to whitewash neither white nor red. All are smeared with the blood of Russian people and betrayal. On this basis, I believe that all participants and victims of the Russian Civil War of 17-20, and not only representatives of the red doctrine, are worthy of remembrance and remembrance.
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            3. Kronos
              Kronos 2 July 2020 22: 48 New
              -2
              A world without annexations and indemnities was part of the Bolshevik program long before coming to power so that it was right
  6. Nick
    Nick 1 July 2020 22: 34 New
    -4
    Quote: SanichSan
    and who was? In Nuremberg, too, no one was recognized as a "Nazi criminal." military yes. as well as SSovets Krasnov.

    Well, the list of Nazi criminals convicted in Nuremberg and other courts is on the wiki. Krasnov was tried in the USSR for espionage and reprisals against civilians and prisoners of war. Krasnov was recognized as a spy.
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 2 July 2020 01: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: Nick
    With regards to Kolchak, Wrangel and Denikin, they are generally innocent of the Motherland

    Yeah, here you are and the Khrustobunnik-Zaputinets has appeared, so you grimaced along with Zyablintsev "our yours, let's dance." Comrade Stalin didn’t finish your seed, uh, I looked ..
    1. Nick
      Nick 2 July 2020 02: 52 New
      -3
      Quote: Malyuta
      Yeah, here you are and the Khrustobutnik hacker appeared

      Stop poking me, hritsoprofessor-liberalist.
      Quote: Malyuta
      Comrade Stalin didn’t finish your seed, uh, I looked ..

      It was your Trotskyist-liberal seed that he did not finish. Wow! Looked!
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 1 July 2020 13: 11 New
    -1
    Correctly offers, otherwise I don’t know how many of them only in our city. There would be monuments, and that squalor is flaky and collapsing.
  • CSKA
    CSKA 1 July 2020 10: 11 New
    0
    Quote: codetalker
    The deputy director general of VGTRK demands a monument to the Nazi criminal.

    He does not require it to be set.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 1 July 2020 06: 33 New
    +5
    Egor described his informational opponent quite recognizably. But his enthusiasm for the struggle by "non-information methods" is a bust. This is clearly not about military censorship. It is necessary to solve the problems with salary, legality, "otvetku", and not "stop" the "enemy" information "in the best traditions of the SBU."
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 1 July 2020 06: 45 New
    +1
    It seems to me that for too long the hot spots froze in a state of uncertainty. And the longer, the worse.
  • avia12005
    avia12005 1 July 2020 09: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: My address
    Dear Elena love !
    It seems to me that by professional Russians the author meant the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, including its structure - Rossotrudnichestvo. After all, these "professionals" managed to give money to the "zapadents" for their "cultural self-identification" not only in Galicia, but throughout Ukraine. Agree that the Russian Foreign Ministry in the recent history of Ukraine and a specific Maidan looks ...


    Not only in Ukraine they give money to ukronatsik, but also in Russia in the form of grants. For example, various autonomous Ukrainian cultural organizations that openly support and promote the Kiev regime.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 1 July 2020 09: 56 New
    +3
    Again 25.
    "It is urgent to restore order in the information sector of Donetsk and Lugansk."
    Not a line about just "getting things right."

    This is where the last head of the LPR with the treasury went. Who is responsible for stories of coal, roofing, false statements, distribution of aid, strange deaths of people in the republics themselves?

    Or just take it and ban it? And do not drive, trade with Ukraine ("You must rejoice" - Putin), but talk about it
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 1 July 2020 10: 01 New
    +1
    As a result, we are dealing with a mass of supposedly patriotic resources, which, under the auspices of anti-Ukrainian and anti-fascist rhetoric and the defense of the "ideals of New Russia", etc. are engaged in fierce propaganda against LDNR and Russia.
    Here on this, it was possible and focus! Everything would be clear, which is confirmed by the latest information on the "Russian Spring" from Vasily Prozorov, a well-known SBU officer who worked for the Russian special services for several years (Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1593530448). But it so happened that general assumptions and "recipes" for solving problems only blurred the main idea.
  • veritas
    veritas 1 July 2020 10: 16 New
    +2
    Information warfare is effective only when a weak economy and uncomfortable living conditions. This is all solved, but the longer the pull, the more effective the information war will work. It’s time for Russia to return these territories home.
  • Kronos
    Kronos 1 July 2020 10: 18 New
    +1
    In order to be attractive it is necessary not to shut up your mouths, but to improve people's lives
  • Larisa Byvsheva_3
    Larisa Byvsheva_3 1 July 2020 10: 23 New
    +4
    The article is a lie! Prices are rising every day, for everything! And here lemons and ginger! Pensions and salaries, which often give out at 20-30%, are for nothing! Pension, I have, who worked at a thermal power plant for 37 years -7 tr! So this is after Zakharchenko added 500 rubles and Pushilin-300! I work now, a salary that is not fully paid, 8 tr with nights and holidays! How to live further ?!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 1 July 2020 12: 46 New
      -1
      Quote: Larisa Byvsheva_3
      The article is a lie! Prices are rising every day, for everything! And here lemons and ginger! Pensions and salaries, which often give out at 20-30%, are for nothing!


      Your comment,least 50% - also a lie, not covered by anything.

      I don’t know if it’s intended, or out of thought,you linked in one package of pension and salary.

      And here it is necessary to clarify that pensions and other social benefits are always paid in full , not "percentages" ...
  • 9 Shaft
    9 Shaft 1 July 2020 10: 36 New
    +3
    The emotional upsurge of 2014 is long gone, and everything went harshly, with blood ...
    Nobody probably expected such a continuation here ... To raise the economy of the region is no resources. And so to survive, for how long people have enough patience, everyone wants to live in real time, and not when it may be. Passports and moving to Russia is not a panacea. Himself moved a couple of times, you will not wish the enemy. Therefore, they crush with propaganda and moles - they want everything to end zilch
  • German Titov
    German Titov 1 July 2020 17: 29 New
    +1
    I live in life in DONBASS. From birth. I am surprised, as the "author", the Person of Moral Orientations - (combined arms "capital"). “Especially Valuable Guy” (“Capital Odessa”) will say when it rains in Donetsk! "Pike vest" from the "Golden Calf".
  • Kronos
    Kronos 1 July 2020 18: 14 New
    -1
    Quote: Nick
    Kolchak, Wrangel and Denikin,

    Interventors and Criminals
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 1 July 2020 22: 42 New
    0
    Today, the VK-in the LPR included, the Ukrainian Vodafone too, the Russian spring - no, the Anti-Fascist - no, the pedagogical university named after T. Shevchenko was renamed, now it’s not them. T. Shevchenko
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 1 July 2020 23: 03 New
    +5
    If in the 14th year our "power" led by "you know - by whom" If she wasn’t afraid to the state of wild stress, then together with Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk regions would enter Russia.
    Like Crimea, they would enter, on the basis of a referendum, almost intact and by that time within their current regional borders, and not as they are today - only what is around their "capitals".

    They all had a situation - practically one to one, whatever Putin propagandists would broadcast today ...
    But for some reason the Crimea turned out to be "more necessary", because there are gates to the Black Sea and the fleet and our military and ... and ... and ..., and in the Donbass - only the Donbass itself ... request
    Today our "power" led by "you know - by whom", already does not know - what to do with LDNR, besides, to blow out cheeks, to send gum. help and threatening to threaten Kiev, such as "just tilt into the republics" ...
    The territory of LDNR today is “at a loss” at the very worst, the infrastructure is destroyed, the population under shelling, actually in blockade, is unemployed - beggarly, against the background of some local nouveau riche - leaders ...

    And now our "power" led by "you know - by whom" just don’t know what to do next.
    To abandon LDNR means to betray them, and nobody will forgive this "this power", because they themselves pulled the “Minsk agreements” with all their might, despite the fact that the banderlogs spat on them so many times that they could not be counted ...
    Take in the composition of Russia? Here, the whole "civilized world", consisting of the same banderlogs, will howl, only speckled!
    Yes, and how to accept? This is how much money will have to be spent on restoring everything that has been destroyed there?
    Russia simply can not stand this burden, and financially completely fly away under the baseboard, because and already almost sits beside him ...

    What is the conclusion?
    But the conclusion is simple: before you had to think of our "power" led by "you know - by whom"in the 14th year!
    To think and not be afraid to defend “your” people in LDNR, as they did in Crimea!
    And now that's it, come ... Wherever you throw - everywhere a wedge!
    Dry the oars on the galley ... Sail ...
  • Gendy
    Gendy 2 July 2020 12: 01 New
    0
    Here the topic of the game of informative giveaways by the resources of the LPR was raised: https://vk.com/lugansk_inside?w=wall-157063130_27966
  • Alt 22
    Alt 22 4 July 2020 11: 11 New
    0
    win in the Donbass
    - let's clarify what is the Donbass, is it LDNR or is it the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, most of which are under the APU?

    No military victory in the regions without the help of the Russian Federation is impossible, Ukraine has more resources, as well as the military.

    And about the reproaches in the Russian plum - they are partially justified and fair. Yes, the Russian Federation could not help take Kiev or even create Novorossia - but who prevented it from opening the doors to Russians from Ukraine, and to Ukrainian anti-fascists? Who interfered with giving anti-fascists temporary asylum, and Russians with citizenship? No one. Who is at the top who can push through any, even unpopular in society, law or initiative? Putin And as Joseph Vissarionovoch, Comrade Stalin, said, "Any mistake has a name and surname." So refusing to help Russians - not a piece of Donbass, but to the Russian people and that part of them that lives in Ukraine - is such a mistake, Putin’s mistake, and you can write this post in the category of “anti-Putin propaganda”.
  • Mikle2000
    Mikle2000 6 July 2020 15: 28 New
    0
    God forbid, you either close the border and talk about happiness in the people's republics, where, unlike Kharkov, Russian corpses do not wallow in ditches and Bandera do not rape Russian women. Or sit quietly and cut Russian money (from my taxes for a second) while they are sawing - because happiness will not last forever.