Military Review

“A referendum that is not called a referendum”: the foreign press comments on a vote in the Russian Federation

311
“A referendum that is not called a referendum”: the foreign press comments on a vote in the Russian Federation

Foreign media outlets with materials that are dedicated to the start of voting on amendments to the Constitution in Russia. At the same time, not all foreign publications and channels understand exactly how to name the expression of will in question.


So, the site of the French television channel France 24, calls the Russian vote "constitutional referendum." At the same time, the author of the material begins the material by saying that updating the Russian Basic Law will allow Vladimir Putin to be elected for the presidential term at least twice more - after 2024.

On the French channel, the phrase is quoted, literally the other day, by the president of the Russian Federation:

We need to work, and not look for successors.

French journalists focus on the fact that amendments are proposed to introduce principles that are designed to unite the Russians on the basis of the conservative patriotic value system advocated by the current president.

Benoit Witkin on the pages of the French publication Le Monde informs his readers that "voting in Russia is being held at the height of a pandemic."

From the material:

What has been held in Russia since Thursday is something new and strange. This is a referendum that is not called a referendum. This is a masked vote.

The author quotes where he is called to treat voting on the package of amendments as a ration from the menu: “In this case, you can’t separate borsch and dumplings.”

This means that it is proposed to vote not on each of the amendments, but immediately on all taken together.

The Indian publication Outlook India recalls that both houses of the Russian parliament have already supported constitutional amendments. At the same time, the Indian media emphasize the following: if less than half of the Russians who came to the polls support the changes, they will not be accepted, as Vladimir Putin himself stated.

The German Deutsche Welle, a radio station and the publication of a country where the Chancellor has not changed for four consecutive terms, also focuses on the so-called “zeroing of deadlines” in Russia. German authors write that "it will be a huge surprise if the Russians do not approve the proposed amendments to the Basic Law."

Reporting from a polling station in the Kamchatka Territory - voting and commentary by the regional governor:

Photos used:
Kamchatka Territory Administration
311 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 25 June 2020 14: 12
    -3
    Our officials and close associates were so dispersed to advertise the vote for the amendments that, probably, after July 1, they will also read the learned texts to the camera ....
    1. Deck
      Deck 25 June 2020 14: 15
      -1
      They’ll spoil you for kamarinsky’s money, as one villain said
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 25 June 2020 14: 26
        -1
        Quote: Deck
        for money Kamarynsky will dance to you
        For the money they will bend whoever you want, and "Kamarinsky will dance" for power.
    2. The comment was deleted.
      1. The comment was deleted.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 25 June 2020 14: 32
      16
      Recently, after a popular vote, laws have been passed that worsen the situation of the people. Simply, a new invention of power is needed in order for someone to cover the fifth point. Amendments have long been possible to make without any vote, in accordance with applicable law. Wait and see.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 25 June 2020 15: 05
        +6
        that I go to the Deutsche in a comment, that to the echo of Moscow, that in the comments to Alyosha Navalny - that here.

        How did it happen - that the opinion of the "thinking and light-faced of this forum" (under the red color) - coincided with the opinion of the editors of Radio Liberty and Deutschevyelle with the rest?

        By old habit? In a single rush, so to speak, with the wicked media offices.

        Well, given the fact that the West bought the Communists at one time or pumped up a miracle with propaganda, and so that they didn’t even defend the country, the reaction of the present commies of this site is not surprising.

        Our emo-communists of the site quite often synchronize the position with the Department of State. It happened by accident.

        There are all kinds of babies, sylvesters and squabbles stand, so to speak, on guard of the interests of the United States of America

        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 25 June 2020 15: 21
          -7
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          There are all kinds of babies, sylvesters and squabbles stand, so to speak, on guard of the interests of the United States of America
          They are "Russians"!
          1. flicker
            flicker 27 June 2020 08: 29
            +4
            There are all kinds of babies, sylvesters and squabbles stand, so to speak, on guard of the interests of the United States of America
            They are "Russians"!

            ---
            How can one advocate one’s opinion against the adoption of amendments (in fact, take a Russophobic position) on election days and at the same time be neutral?
            All this must be expressed through the lips of the foreign press, which, in accordance with the will of its owners, is doing everything to liquidate Russia.
            ---
        3. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 25 June 2020 15: 28
          14
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          There are all kinds of babies, sylvesters and squabbles stand, so to speak, on guard of the interests of the United States of America

          And only with Mr. Petrov, as expected, soldier courageously stands guard over the interests of the Russian oligarchs and those close to the "body of the emperor."

          PS Freud Reservation
          like commie
          , and that Mr. Petrov, you also have a fierce hatred for the Soviet past of your homeland? They say the ancestors of current workers
          Deutsche Walle
          fiercely hated. Yes, they didn’t get lucky, they lost Сoyuzu Сove Сsocialist РRepublic Would you have such a chance, would torment, along with them for the company, the Communists for the red banner, star and ideas of equality?
        4. parusnik
          parusnik 25 June 2020 15: 32
          -1
          St Petrov And let's drive them out ... and the truth is that they muddle the water in the pond, they work at the SGA, there must be a single choir, there is only one conductor everywhere ... As before: the people and the party are united! etc. I’m also an agent of the SGA from August 20, 1991, and more precisely from December 12, 1993 when the pro-American Constitution brought in pro-American leaders, but from August 1991 to December 1993 I had a seniority laughing
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 25 June 2020 18: 35
            -3
            sir Petrov And let's drive them out ... and the truth is, what muddy the water in the pond


            the Internet will tolerate a patient tribe. No need to drive them - let them sit at home at computers and fight for communism. And let them be near from the outskirts of Slavaukraine - they are fighting against communism. And all together, twin cities, knock down Putin on the Internet - all together and from one trench, while the fugitive olegarch Kh carries them with cartridges on the instructions of the State Department and British intelligence

            The main thing is that everything is in business. And the exhaust is zero. B - Viina

            I think the trouble with our emo-communists is that half of them live in Ukraine and glorify Snot with Zelensky and Poroshenko. Therefore, there are a lot of them on the Internet - but as for business ... well, and with business - there is no way along the beaten path .. These are these ..



        5. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 25 June 2020 15: 49
          +4
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          that on deutchewell I go in the comment, that on the echo of Moscow, that in the comments to Alesha Navalny

          But I neither read the echo, nor listen, nor bulk. That's interesting. Who is the real ehichny navalnenok with pro-German views. lol
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          Our emo communists

          By the way. Sincere hatred of communism, socialism and all their manifestations, as if a clear sign of a true, double, liberal. Yeah. yes
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 25 June 2020 17: 23
            -3
            By the way. Sincere hatred of communism


            where is that communism and who is the communist? You? Sylvester? Svarog? Malyuta?
            This is not even a joke.
            The name for this is schiz.
            Emo communists, these are emo communists.

            Stop shoving yourself on your underpants and nicknames with avatars - a sickle and a hammer. This is like a census of those who were at home / at work / in a restaurant during the fall of the USSR.

            The Communists ... There are none here. Real Communists - they have already let a bullet in their temple, because they have betrayed their oath.

            And you are the same communists as Alyosha Navalny - a liberal or like your leader Ziu. The same millions (30 million members of the CPSU) shouted in three throats - "I swear! 11! 1" under the oath of the CPSU. And how to do it - yes, the same as you have here with "affairs"

            Your ceiling is to shout slogans against the cursed bourgeoisie and, as a prerequisite, turn the arrows and show that someone else is guilty. And then - in your place I would still train with slogans. Sometimes it all looks funny

            1. snucerist
              snucerist 26 June 2020 11: 59
              -3
              "The real communists have already put a bullet in their temples because they betrayed their oath."
              And a lot of them, real communists? Who let a bullet in his temple?
              Announce the entire list, pzh-hundred (s).
              According to my information, they are all safely attached to the new feeding trough.
              All without exception. There was no one to trigger the trigger of the pistol aimed at the temple.
          2. St Petrov
            St Petrov 25 June 2020 17: 47
            +4
            That's interesting. Who is the real ehichny navalnenok with pro-German views.


            you. You will do everything as they said in bulk on Echo of Moscow and Alyosha. They said - and you took the visor.

            Logic is not mad.

            Deutschella, Radio Liberty and Hodor said the amendments are bad, now you are tearing their throats, broadcasting the thoughts of Hodor and company

            Or is it still difficult? You don’t understand, yes? By chance it happened once again?

            Well nothing. I have chosen the president for you and I will vote for the amendments for you. Just as you put up with the president and put up with it, you will bear it with amendments. The benefit of your experience in this matter is at least 20 years.

            And if you bring all of you here together - your company of opposition here - and multiply 20 years by each of you - you think how you can endure powerfully?
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 25 June 2020 19: 14
              +2
              Quote: s-t Petrov
              Logic is not mad.

              UmAlima. Your logic is quite crazy. And mine, yes, my mindless. Well, let's go through the logic.
              At the moment, the ideologies in the world are actually on the fingers. One hand. Socialist currents. Liberal. Nationalist. Well, theocratic appetizer. In general, the whole spectrum of choice is something. Conservatism, which others claim to be an ideology, is not a priori. And on that list has run out.
              Summing up the results. Or you are a socialist, or a liberal, or a Nazi, or a mujahideen. All other differences, just the degree of radicalism of views. Well, since you are drowning against socialism, you are either a liberal, or a Nazi, or a mujahideen. Don't shout to Allahu Akbar. Well, do not call for the revival of the Inquisition. So not Mujahideen. Schiklgruber’s doctrine and those similar to it do not preach, so do not the Nazis. What is left over? Praaalno. Liberalism. Tip. Free but good. Learn the materiel. Citizen overseas Petrov. And then screaming about rotten liberals, fans of the West, being himself a supporter of liberalism, plainly not knowing the Russian language ... A horse drawn circus. yes
              1. St Petrov
                St Petrov 25 June 2020 21: 43
                +2
                Well, if you drown against socialism


                because here I’m getting over the squabble and the company? Over the communists who are not here? Over Lexus?

                You and your company are not socialism. Do you understand?)
                And Radio Liberty and Grudinin are not stoked for socialism in your yard. Medusa tells you about the pernicious amendments not for socialism

                Khodorkovsky and you tell me this nonsense - not because you are for socialism.
                And America is investing resources in the media that you talk about paradise gardens on YouTube - this is also not for socialism.

                And doychevelle with capital-also do not moan for socialism)

                Technology has been tested for your tribe for a long time and abroad is always ready to help you with advice and money. Already done so more than once. But I understand why it doesn’t click in your head that they want to do it one more time, otherwise Russia has become too intractable. You look back - look what’s going on with you in the same trench of a Gozman and a Slavau-Ukrainian stubborn - but I think you’ve been ready to storm the Kremlin with them for a long time. You do not even bother with this substance, which is with you in one rush. Even abroad does not bother you, which is waiting for the breakdown of the institutions of power in Russia



                You are against the Kremlin and the Supreme Commander. Who are you?)
                Well, I already answered myself this question.
                1. AUL
                  AUL 26 June 2020 08: 11
                  -5
                  Quote: s-t Petrov
                  because here I’m getting over the squabble and the company?

                  Well, judging by the reaction of the members of the forum to your maxims, the majority here "burn out" over your pearls!
        6. Svarog
          Svarog 25 June 2020 16: 03
          +2
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          There are all kinds of babies, sylvesters and squabbles stand, so to speak, on guard of the interests of the United States of America

          Petrov, I’m greeting .. I haven’t seen it for a long time .. And whose interests are you protecting, personally Putin and the cooperative? Obviously not a Russian person and the peoples of Russia ..
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 25 June 2020 22: 10
            +4
            I, unlike you, swore an oath and took an oath. And he did it consciously. But he didn’t take his oath like 30 million members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union — who had bolted both the USSR and the oath and all these slogans. I do not retreat from her and do not push in the evenings.

            “I, Petrov, solemnly swear allegiance to my Fatherland - the Russian Federation. I swear to observe the Constitution of the Russian Federation, strictly comply with the requirements of military regulations, orders of commanders and commanders. I swear to fulfill the military duty with dignity, courageously defend the freedom, independence and constitutional system of Russia, the people and the Fatherland. ”

            I think you will not understand) and those pseudo-communists will not understand. They have long told themselves why it’s possible not to blame yourself, but to blame Petrov, for example.

            My difference from the groaning here is that I’m all sworn and sworn) I hope that I will never find myself in the place of the local grief of the Communists and will not pour snot about how we all lost by hammering a bolt to protect the independence of my country

            It was always interesting how, after the generation that suffered and won, there appeared those that the 90s consider during the daylight), and at the same time drown for communism. Mordvin, how ?? I remembered your twin Mordvin.

            Yes, you have a twin one worse than the other. One Latynina is worth


        7. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 16: 40
          -1
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          How did it happen - that the opinion of the "thinking and light-faced of this forum" (under the red color) - coincided with the opinion of the editors of Radio Liberty and Deutschevyelle with the rest?

          By old habit? In a single rush, so to speak, with the wicked media offices.

          Their job is to work out donations (30 pieces of silver) from the US Congress. The "light-faced" in support of the positions of the State Department, the US Congress, the CIA, the NSA and the FBI are very clearly calculated. Do not need anything else. As soon as you see the coincidence of the interests of the above "offices" and a kind of "patriot" Murik there, Basmach, Sylvester, Svarog - you can say nothing further - the dude lit up. As they say, the coincidence of interests is not an accidental phenomenon, dialectically it is determined by the coincidence of the way of thinking and needs, in this case, the unity of political aspirations, mutual interest and the ability for mutual satisfaction. In other words - the States need to "dump" Putin, themselves they can not, but they are ready to allocate "a little money" for this. The above-mentioned "individuals" - "light-faced", are ready to try in this area for this payment, and even less (!!), to mutual satisfaction. The interests of the Russian state in this chain are superfluous and are not considered at all. Fully corresponds, and I would even say, congruently, prostitution. Cheap prostitution!
        8. Motorist
          Motorist 25 June 2020 20: 17
          -5
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          How did it happen - that the opinion of the "thinking and light-faced of this forum" (under the red color) - coincided with the opinion of the editors of Radio Liberty and Deutschevyelle with the rest?

          Judging by the ratings of your comment - 50/50. Not everything is lost in VO!
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 26 June 2020 12: 05
            +5
            Judging by the ratings of your comment - 50/50. Not everything is lost in VO!

            it’s also necessary to pass through a sieve. There are half compassionate ukroarii and the Baltic states - this is in addition to local gozman with an alternative view of the world. The twin cities of this opposition tribe have long been known.

            Even in such a forum environment, they cannot win wassat Even with overseas

            And of course, this tribe will not point-blank that there are many who are for amendments) And then they will bleat that they were deceived, they personally don’t know anyone who is for amendments. All these moans have long been voiced over the 20 years of previous
        9. Hagen
          Hagen 26 June 2020 07: 00
          +3
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          How did that happen

          Quote: s-t Petrov
          There are all kinds of babies, sylvesters and squabbles stand, so to speak, on guard of the interests of the United States of America

          Is it any wonder if there were already about a dozen articles on this topic, and all with an appeal "for a boycott"? The focus of the authors pulls up the relevant audience.
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          Our emo-communists of the site quite often synchronize the position with the Department of State. It happened by accident.

          In principle, the State Department does not care on what basis to drive a wedge between the country's population and its leadership. And the not very "in-depth" elderly "former" sprinkling with righteous anger have completely lost their legibility in life and are letting off steam in the direction necessary for the State Department. Someone gets money for this ... laughing
        10. flicker
          flicker 27 June 2020 17: 46
          0
          There are all kinds of babies, sylvesters and squabbles stand, so to speak, on guard of the interests of the United States of America
          These yes, do not feed bread for the sake of the guardians of the interests of SGA ...
          However, maybe vice versa ... still how you have to "feed" bully
      2. mirexes
        mirexes 25 June 2020 16: 06
        -1
        only stupid does not understand. that if amendments are made without a vote, then they can be canceled at any time. But as I understand it, you are working out foreign money
    4. Malyuta
      Malyuta 25 June 2020 14: 42
      +7
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Our officials and close associates were so dispersed to advertise the vote for the amendments that, probably, after July 1, they will also read the learned texts to the camera ....

      I don’t understand at all why Putin is talking about a successor and not about elections? Does he apparently mean the same feint as Eltsin threw with him on New Year's Eve, when an unknown dog-carrier from St. Petersburg was appointed a receiver?
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 25 June 2020 14: 50
        12
        It is his standard trick to keep uncertainty to the last. Flirts, as if it might not take a new term.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 25 June 2020 14: 59
        -3
        Appointed, or was Bore strongly recommended to appoint him?
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 25 June 2020 15: 14
          +3
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Appointed, or was Bore strongly recommended to appoint him?

          Do you know anything about this or guesses? Evil tongues say that not the most worthy characters of our country had a hand in its promotion, a little bit Chubais, Boris Abramych, Yumashev, Valoshin, Palich ....
          I understand that he is an avatar-trickster and the guarantor of a certain "collective" who seized power in the country and has been robbing it for almost 30 years.
          Threat. Another thing is not clear, why some citizens do not want to see and understand this?
          1. Igor Aviator
            Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 16: 50
            -7
            Quote: Malyuta
            I understand that he is an avatar-trickster and the guarantor of a certain "collective" who seized power in the country and has been robbing it for almost 30 years.
            Threat. Another thing is not clear, why some citizens do not want to see and understand this?

            What can you understand? What year are you, kid? judging by the fact that you do not observe the difference between the 90s and the present - you are the "Pepsi" generation. And in the 90s it was still a cloudy drop. For example, I very clearly remember the 90s, all that collapse and horror, and the difference between "what was" and what "became" is more than obvious to me! Therefore, NOBODY, especially such undersized and losers, will not be able to convince me, my relatives and my friends to refuse to support the President! Trying in vain! Only inflame anger in me! God forbid, to meet in reality - I will tear, like Tuzik a heating pad!
            1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
              tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 25 June 2020 17: 55
              -4
              They would be in a time machine (not a group) - and re-educated in a year so 1993 ... Milk for a child on coupons, bread on cards and vodka, e, for taxi drivers ... Yes, I want to look into these eyes. Very ...
              1. St Petrov
                St Petrov 25 June 2020 17: 56
                -4
                Yes, here half of these emo communists in the 90s think in the holy time. It’s as if instead of a diagnosis

                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 25 June 2020 18: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: s-t Petrov
                  Yes, here half of these emo communists in the 90s think in the holy time. It’s as if instead of a diagnosis

                  Yes, here on both sides are good. laughing
                2. Old partisan
                  Old partisan 25 June 2020 19: 43
                  +6
                  Well, the Communists are by no means called 90s saints. And I don’t even know what to call her nainka ebnova wife and the guiding force of our highest.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 20: 52
                +4
                Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                . Milk for a child on coupons, bread on cards and vodka, e, by taxi drivers ... Yes, I want to look into these eyes. Very ...

                Couldn’t have come up with anything better? Our dairy kitchen was closed, there was never bread on the cards. Oh, got it! You didn’t have enough vodka!
                1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                  tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 25 June 2020 20: 57
                  -1
                  I, my affectionate one, do not invent. Coupons are somewhere else for a long memory. I answer for the words. And you? "Doesn't drink vodka - does he?" (Classic - don't remember exactly - Chekhov?) ...
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 21: 05
                    0
                    Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                    I answer for the words

                    Answer me! Put your coupons for bread.
                    1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                      tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 25 June 2020 21: 27
                      -1


                      Enough? Yes, I almost forgot - the attempt to be rude is not counted ...
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 21: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                        Is it enough?

                        Not enough. Where does it say it's for bread? I put thousands of stamps on such coupons in the 80s, I helped my mother, they were for milk.
                      2. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 26 June 2020 17: 56
                        0
                        A hypocrite is a vocation. Well, sorry for the coupons. Urengoy boy is your relative?
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 19: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                        Urengoy boy is your relative?

                        You do not ascribe any kind of Kolya to my relatives.
                      4. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 5 July 2020 18: 20
                        0
                        Well whine in this something agreed ... And cho rude = then ...
        2. poquello
          poquello 25 June 2020 23: 49
          +1
          Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          one year old 1993 ... Milk for a child by coupons, bread on cards and vodka, e, by taxi drivers ..

          you either have a car curve or a remote village, the total deficit is 87-92 IMHO (but I can also be wrong), 93 and then the market has already made its own
          1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
            tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 26 June 2020 17: 58
            0
            Aul yes, far away. Tver province. And the coupons are 192 years old. What is the criticism?
            1. poquello
              poquello 26 June 2020 20: 37
              +1
              Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
              Aul yes, far away. Tver province. And the coupons are 192 years old. What is the criticism?

              Yes, what criticism, just corrected, in '93 everything was already in the center
              1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 5 July 2020 17: 58
                0
                Alas - we had worse ... Just answered, she was more ...
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 20: 48
        0
        Quote: Igor Aviator
        What can you understand? What year are you, boy?

        I'm 74th baby.
        Quote: Igor Aviator
        Therefore, NOBODY, especially such undergrowths and losers, will not be able to convince me, my relatives and my friends to refuse support to the President!

        You didn’t see life, and you didn’t know.
        1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 25 June 2020 20: 58
          +2
          You were correctly identified - boy. And the spirit of the brain and conversation.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 21: 03
            -5
            Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
            You were correctly identified - boy. And the spirit of the brain and conversation.

            My name is in life by name and patronymic. And in spirit and conversation - as I want, so I write. And who are you, an inflated bubble?
            1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
              tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 25 June 2020 21: 08
              -1
              person. It's hard for you to imagine - I understand ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 21: 11
                +3
                Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                person. It's hard for you to understand - I understand ...

                Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                card bread

                Responsible for your words. Where was the bread on the cards?
                1. Skarpzd
                  Skarpzd 26 June 2020 02: 38
                  +4
                  By the way, yes, I don’t remember something. there were definitely pasta (late 80s), but there was no bread.
                2. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                  tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 26 June 2020 18: 00
                  -1
                  Read carefully - Vyshny Volochek Tver province. And bread, and milk, + vodka, cigarettes, soap. All? But in general - whose will you be?
                3. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                  tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 5 July 2020 18: 02
                  0
                  And who zamusnul me - present where I was wrong ?!
            2. St Petrov
              St Petrov 25 June 2020 22: 03
              +1
              Andrei, Mordvin was hurt by all of this, because he is one of those who say that in the 90s life was better than now.

              So it goes. This is abruptly flat land.
              1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 26 June 2020 18: 01
                0
                Yes ... Verbal arguments are few. How much any liberal fall on the site has become ...
          2. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
            tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 5 July 2020 18: 01
            0
            Mordovian, why are you so greyhound, huh? For life or a sider? Courtesy - it promotes communication, and rudeness - leaves the rudeness alone. Consider ...
  2. Achilles
    Achilles 25 June 2020 18: 19
    +4
    Quote: Malyuta
    I understand that he is an avatar-trickster and the guarantor of a certain "collective" who seized power in the country and has been robbing it for almost 30 years.

    When Putin took power, more than 50% of the shares of large oil and gas companies and enterprises belonged to private individuals, now more than 50% of the shares are owned by the state, if Putin is robbing the state with the rest, then why was it necessary to transfer a controlling stake to the state? All these words are just an empty shake of air. That's when Putin will no longer be in power, then you can wake up to compare and analyze
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 25 June 2020 18: 21
      0
      When Putin took power, more than 50% of the shares of large oil and gas companies and enterprises belonged to private individuals, now more than 50% of the shares are owned by the state, if Putin is robbing the state with the rest, then why was it necessary to transfer a controlling stake to the state?


      Interestingly, this character will answer? I want to look at his way with logic.


  3. Goodwin
    Goodwin 26 June 2020 05: 37
    +1
    Quote: Malyuta
    Threat. Another thing is not clear, why some citizens do not want to see and understand this?
    And I do not understand another thing, what do you think or not, what you think when you think that in our multinational country it is possible to do without a strong leader `` who has seized power '' and is capable of making even not popular decisions. Do you want to kneel down and repent like in the states? Have you personally been robbed for thirty years? For many years I have been working and paying taxes, and not too much of a burden, and, imagine, nobody bothers me. Tell us how it was in the nineties, about "roofs", lads, etc. What do you generally know about power and order in the country? Why has it suddenly become popular to throw mud at the leader of your country, why with manic persistence only the negative is sought out and not noticed how positively life is changing in our country? Did they not pay you something or the salary is delayed, or is it, in general, insulting for the state?
  • Svarog
    Svarog 25 June 2020 16: 06
    +9
    does it mean the same feint as Eltsin threw with him on New Year's Eve, when an unknown portfolio dog carrier from Peter was appointed the receiver?

    I am inclined to think so too .. with the help of such a feint it is easier to drag my own person .. no debate or program is needed ..
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 26 June 2020 08: 13
      +3
      Quote: Svarog
      with the help of such a feint it is easier to drag your man ..

      A very interesting question. Or maybe in truth, it is better to let him push through "his"? The one who is sifted through a sieve of the special services, checked at a fairly responsible job, will be convinced of his loyalty to the general course. Otherwise, we can vote for the first person who promises to bring the retirement age closer to adulthood. laughing Moreover, all the same, and the receiver will have to pull out to the polls. Only we will have the opportunity to look at him a little earlier than those who emerge as a "dark horse" like Grudinin.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 25 June 2020 21: 04
    -4
    The Russian Foreign Ministry reacted to the photo with the LGBT flag at the US Embassy with a Soviet hit that became the anthem of the Blue Oyster bar
  • krillon
    krillon 25 June 2020 23: 31
    -2
    What is there abroad. I don't understand either. Pamfilova states that the amendments have been adopted, the Constitutional Court has approved everything, but there is no such form as voting, this is just the will of the Guarantor who wants to see how we will approve them. Whom to believe? There is no doubt that the amendments will push through. Sooner or later, the Guarantor will leave the post and the amendments with zeroing will remain, opening up the receiver the opportunity for long and fruitful work to strengthen the Motherland. After, it is possible, years later, they will call it a mistake, an exaggeration, something else, but we live today and want the country, us and our children to be all right. And if you go on the attack, then with the words "For the Motherland" and not for the oligarchs.
    1. flicker
      flicker 27 June 2020 09: 32
      -1
      Pamfilova declares that the amendments were adopted, the Constitutional Court approved everything and there is no such form as voting, it’s just the will of the Guarantor who wants to see how we approve them. Who to believe? The fact that they sell amendments is no doubt
      Well, that's right. And there are no contradictions here.
      According to the existing law, amendments can be adopted without a popular vote - 2/3 of the deputies, 3/4 of the senators, by the majority of regional parliaments and the signature of the president.
      What has already been done (except, like, the last)
      ---
      Why then do you need a vote?
      ---
      The adoption of the amendments means that we refuse to obey Western values, Western dictates, if they contradict the rights and freedoms (prescribed in the Constitution of Russia) of Russian citizens and the Constitution of Russia.
      ---
      At the same time, we are part of the global world economic system. The West created the latter, which means the West is its master, and can change the laws of this system to suit its interests (recall the numerous sanctions).
      ---
      With the adoption of the amendments, we get legal grounds to abandon the Western directives harmful to us.
      And this will certainly increase pressure on us from the West.
      If the people want the sovereignty of Russia, openly declares this, it means that they (for the sake of sovereignty) will be ready for this pressure on us from the outside. And, by the way, not only from the outside, no one has yet canceled the fifth column (she now generously sponsored various Russian social networks and Internet sites).
      ---
      Voting is a measure of the readiness of the population to fight for the sovereignty of Russia, for their path!
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 25 June 2020 14: 12
    0
    "French journalists are focusing on the fact that the amendments are proposed to introduce principles that are designed to unite Russians on the basis of a conservative patriotic system of values ​​preached by the current president." And many said that Putin is a liberal bully God bless you family ... Men and women ...
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 25 June 2020 14: 46
      +4
      based on the conservative patriotic system of values ​​preached by the incumbent president. "And many said that Putin is a liberal bully God is your family ... Men and women ...

      The French know what they are saying.
      Modern political classification dates back to the time of the National Assembly at the beginning of the French Revolution.

      Three camps arose in it: on the right sat the “party of aristocrats" - adherents of the old absolutism, in the center sat the felians - liberal monarchists, and on the left - the Jacobins, who advocated radical transformations.

      Thus, initially the right were those who want to maintain the current situation (conservatives), left - those who advocate change (radicals, liberals).

      When Putin came to power and started CHANGE, he was a LEFT liberal.
      Now he wants to CONSERVE the existing order of things, he is RIGHT conservative.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 25 June 2020 14: 50
        +1
        Started a change, say, was it a liberal? Are the changes liberal or conservative? Here is maternal capital-change, so this is in your opinion a liberal change wassat Is she (maternity capital) a change left or right?
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 25 June 2020 15: 06
          +4
          Here is maternal capital-change, so this is in your opinion a liberal change wassat Is it (maternal capital) a change left or right?

          Maternal capital is an economic particular within the framework of one conservative political system.
          This means a change in political course and landscape.

          For example, when the Jacobins-liberals came to power in France, their leader Robespierre said: "Louis must die for the republic to live."
          Or a similar situation in Russia in 1917, when the Republican liberals replaced the conservative monarchists.

          P.S. No need to look for analogies and appeals for today. laughing
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 25 June 2020 15: 11
            -4
            "RS Don't look for analogies and appeals to the present day. Laughing" - this is what you started about the Jacobins ...
            The answer to the question that you forgot - maternity capital is a left-conservative amendment ...
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 25 June 2020 15: 22
              +4
              "RS Don't look for analogies and appeals to the present day. Laughing" - this is what you started about the Jacobins ...

              The story began so. From there went the classification of political parties. Well and on revolutions contrasts are more clearly visible.
              And so that revolutions do not need soft forms of change.

              In the USA there are democrats (liberals) and conservatives (republicans).

              There are Tories in the UK - right-wing (conservative) The Conservative and Unionist Party
              and Whigs - the left (liberals) of The Liberal Party.

              There is a real sharp political struggle between them, but it does not reach the block.

              The basis of separation is economic satisfaction (or dissatisfaction) of individual representatives with the current state of affairs.
              Why is Tereshkova conservative and wants an extension of the current president?
              Because she has everything exactly. laughing
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 26 June 2020 08: 34
                +1
                Quote: Arzt
                Why is Tereshkova conservative and wants an extension of the current president?
                Because she has everything exactly.

                And why is she doing exactly the same? Because at the beginning of her life, she plowed like a draft horse and studied at the same time without interruption from production .... Everything is not very difficult. True, it is somewhat costly in the sense of their own efforts to form their own life path. From this I would begin to consider her conservatism.
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 26 June 2020 08: 41
                  +1
                  And why is she doing exactly the same? Because at the beginning of her life's journey she plowed like a draft horse and studied at the same time without interruption from production ....

                  And that too.
                  And age. Pensioners will vote for stability, and youth will go to Navalny. Hormones ...

                  As François Guizot said, “He who is not a Republican at the age of twenty has no heart; who is a republican after thirty does not have a head ”
            2. Doctor
              Doctor 25 June 2020 15: 24
              +5
              The answer to the question that you forgot - maternity capital is a left-conservative amendment ...

              Maternal capital is a weak attempt to increase the birth rate and flirt with the people.
              Just like other crumbs that do not make the weather.
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 25 June 2020 15: 57
                -4
                Liberals of the 90s needed a birth rate? The birth rate fell in the 90s below the lowest before 1943. Worse than during the Second World War.
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 25 June 2020 16: 26
                  +4
                  Liberals of the 90s needed a birth rate?

                  The liberal class in Russia did not have time to form. We jumped from state socialism to state capitalism.
                  For example, the support of liberals in agriculture - we have small and medium-sized farmers in a deep pen. Agricultural holdings rule everyone with the support of governors and (above) the Kremlin.
                  Calling on Tverskaya on a tractor, as in France, will not work in principle.

                  With regard to fertility, from the point of view of the liberal idea, the number of children in a family is everyone's personal business.
                  The state should not regulate the birth rate, its task is to create conditions for life, including for large families.
                  1. Tank jacket
                    Tank jacket 25 June 2020 16: 55
                    -6
                    We created conditions in the 90s ... We saw ...
                    1. Doctor
                      Doctor 26 June 2020 08: 45
                      -1
                      We created conditions in the 90s ... We saw ...

                      The transition period is not going anywhere.
                      In 1917 they also created it.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 25 June 2020 14: 54
      +6
      By the way, the principles are formed in the preamble of the Constitution and they are not legal norms, unlike amendments to the norms. And the fact that you need to love animals, and marriage is a union of a man and a woman, somehow it was clear to anyone without the Constitution, just as you shouldn't steal.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 25 June 2020 15: 08
        -3
        That's right, let The Hague and Strasbourg go through the forest ...
        But I also remember that Merkel somehow came to us and the first question to Putin is “how is it that gays in Chechnya are strongly oppressed?
        1. krillon
          krillon 25 June 2020 23: 52
          +2
          Let's leave the gays. To whom to appeal if the state decided to put a citizen in a corner? The European Court acted as an arbitrator whose decisions were recognized and enforced. We do not have political prisoners, people for one reason or another, infringed by the state? It came to mind that the Kalashnikov brand was taken away from Kalashnikov's relatives. I have not heard that any compensation was paid to the family. But this is so, in particular, the truth is that our life consists of Art. 2 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation: Man, his rights and freedoms are the highest value. Recognition, observance and protection of human and civil rights and freedoms is the duty of the state.
      2. Achilles
        Achilles 25 June 2020 18: 27
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        And the fact that you need to love animals, and marriage is a union of a man and a woman, somehow it was clear to anyone without the Constitution, just as you shouldn't steal.

        For example, a man with a non-traditional orientation came to power (or an opinion about it was formed on the likeness of the West) and would allow marriages between the same sexes, and now according to the constitution this cannot be done, now the principle is clear?
      3. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 25 June 2020 21: 11
        -4
        That's what they hung out at the embassy in Moscow
    3. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 16: 56
      +1
      Quote: Tank jacket
      as amendments, it is proposed to introduce principles that are designed to unite Russians on the basis of a conservative patriotic system of values ​​preached by the current president. "And many said that Putin is a liberal

      "Judge not by his words, but by his deeds!" (c) You see, there was no other equally great patriot of Russia in my memory (in my life). Joseph Vissarionovich, to my the deepest Unfortunately, I did not find ... All the rest are temporary workers!
      1. flicker
        flicker 27 June 2020 20: 22
        -1
        great patriot of Russia
        You're right! This is a distinguishing feature of Putin; it is this feature that defines and influences his decisions.
        The people saw it, the people felt it, and therefore believed it.
        ---
        Shoigu told how they flew with Putin (who had just become president) from another "disaster", Putin sat and thought about something for a long time, and then said "there is a CHANCE (!!!) to save Russia and this chance must be used"
        And saved.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 25 June 2020 14: 15
    +2
    The French are against the amendments, the Germans are against the amendments, the Americans are against the amendments, Lenya Gozman is against, the gays are against, the Nazis are against, the communists are against ... what yeah nafig, stopudovo must go vote for!
    1. Vend
      Vend 25 June 2020 14: 20
      -2
      Quote: Serg65
      The French are against the amendments, the Germans are against the amendments, the Americans are against the amendments, Lenya Gozman is against, the gays are against, the Nazis are against, the communists are against ... what yeah nafig, stopudovo must go vote for!

      They feel that after such changes it will be difficult to put their mercenaries in power.
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 25 June 2020 15: 01
        +8
        They are still in power and will be there for a long time, so what? As they had real estate, cars and yachts in foreign ownership, so they will not go anywhere even after amendments.
        1. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 17: 13
          -7
          Quote: siberalt
          so they won’t go anywhere even after amendments

          Nothing can be drastically changed immediately. First, clean up the offshore companies, reject enslaving agreements, sweat, little by little, gradually, wipe away from the power of the oligarchs, force them to pay taxes to the treasury, then carry out (albeit partial) nationalization of fixed assets ... And those who balked - "squeeze out" abroad - BAB, Hodor, and others like them. By creating the NWF, take significant sums out of the control of the IMF-run central bank, read the US Federal Reserve, to revive the army. And only by raising the Army, which will not allow the States to dictate conditions, can the country's revival continue. The President still has a lot to do, in fact, we are at the very beginning of the reforms. But to reorganize the colonial Constitution, written under the dictation of "prompters" from the CIA, NSA and FRS NECESSARY! Without this step, Vladimir Vladimirovich’s further efforts to revive Russia may come with very great difficulties, if at all possible! Therefore, I believe that it is NECESSARY to support the President! And this is the duty of everyone who considers himself a CITIZEN OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION!
          1. Hypatius
            Hypatius 25 June 2020 21: 38
            +2
            What else to support.
          2. krillon
            krillon 26 June 2020 00: 01
            +3
            Oh how! And having a different point of view, I propose to write to traitors with a defeat in the rights of themselves and their family members there. Enemies of the people, ep. How much more time does the leader need to accomplish what they wrote about? Enough for life? Zhirinovsky suggested that I remove all the tinsel, leaving the modest title of emperor.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 14: 24
      17
      Quote: Serg65
      Stopudovo must go vote for!

      Drum on the neck. Name at least one amendment and explain what will change.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 25 June 2020 14: 26
        -11 qualifying.
        Vova, and to whom of the above do you relate to?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 14: 30
          18
          Quote: Serg65
          Vova, and to whom of the above do you relate to?

          Seryozha, I’m not a Frenchman, not a German, not a Jew, not a pederast, not a Nazi, and not even a communist. I am a simple hard worker, and the pot I have, unlike some, cooks well.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 25 June 2020 14: 44
            -8
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            I'm a simple hard worker

            Vague doubts gnaw me!
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            the pot I have, unlike some, cooks well.

            This is not a fact!
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Name at least one amendment and explain what will change.

            Article 67, part 2.1. The Russian Federation protects its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states) aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions, are not allowed.
            This suggests, Volodya, that all your speculations on the Kuril Islands simply will be reset to zero!
            Art. 67 h. 4. Children are the most important priority of the state policy of Russia. The state creates conditions conducive to the comprehensive spiritual, moral, intellectual and physical development of children, the education of patriotism, citizenship and respect for elders in them. The state, ensuring the priority of family education, assumes the responsibilities of parents in relation to children left without care.
            This article, my friend, says that the bailiffs will not come to your son / daughter and will not select your grandson / granddaughter at the request of the neighbors about the allegedly unworthy raising of children!
            Well and so on wink
            Well, I understand that you personally are interested in Article 81, Part 3.1! Well, why are you so worried? You hope that all the same, happiness will smile at Grudinin, Platoshkin and Gozman to become presidents? So you hope in vain wink laughing
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 14: 47
              10
              Quote: Serg65
              Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states)

              Exactly. Now explain to me, a fool, what
              Quote: Serg65
              delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 25 June 2020 14: 59
                -1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Exactly. Now explain to me, a fool, what

                what That head cooks, then halfwit ... well oh well .. you are interested in Damansky is not it? So Volodya, the border under the agreement passes through the middle of the river bed, and not along the island! Why? Yes, because Damansky is an alluvial island and you can imagine, it has the ability to move along the Ussuri channel!
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 15: 19
                  +6
                  Quote: Serg65
                  .you are interested in Damansky right?

                  Not. Passed the stage, no matter how sorry. I repeat:
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  explain to me, a fool, what is
                  Quote: Serg65
                  delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation

                  And do not go behind the stone with cancer.
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 26 June 2020 08: 31
                    +2
                    Volodya, well, if the official language doesn’t reach your head, I’ll explain it in a village ...
                    delimitation-For example, you divorced your wife and share the plot. He took a plan of the site, attached a ruler and drew a line with a red pencil ... what is mine on the right !!!
                    demarcation-After you drew the line, you take your ex and you go to hammer the pegs in place.
                    re-marking- at night your ex quietly rearranged the pegs, and in the morning you went out to the toilet and you suddenly saw that they want to deceive you and scream .. well, come here, you force your new neighbor to put the pegs back in place ..
                    So, intelligibly?
                    And yes, don’t look for the pubic louse on your head, it’s in another place wink
                2. krillon
                  krillon 26 June 2020 00: 15
                  0
                  That is, if it gets wet on our side, then it will again be ours? No, then the Chinese are well done, they build alluvial islands and establish their laws. Article 67.4 cited this well, apparently means that indifferent citizens will no longer take off for the treatment of children and the state will remember its obligation.
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 26 June 2020 08: 43
                    +4
                    Quote: Krillon
                    Article 67.4 cited this well, apparently means that indifferent citizens will no longer take off for the treatment of children and the state will remember its obligation.

                    And what do you know about treating children? What do you know about the state program on helping children with disabilities and their families?
                    As I understand it, do you dream of Navalny’s laurels every night?
                    1. krillon
                      krillon 26 June 2020 12: 51
                      -2
                      His laurels do not give you peace? I know that citizens regularly send their hard-earned money, do you know about this? And what medicines for children with rare diseases are either lacking or problems with certification in the course? What is not wool so supporters strive to write someone down.
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 26 June 2020 12: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: Krillon
                        I know

                        Quote: Serg65
                        the state spends a lot of money on free assistance to children with disabilities and their families, for you, as I understand it, the news? A disabled child and a mother caring for him monthly receive from 25 to 30 thousand rubles, depending on the region, are provided with medicines (and +/- another 2,5-3 thousand) and wheelchairs for free, have the right to travel in public and railway transport, have annual free spa treatment, are entitled to take a mortgage minus 5% at the interest rate.
                        The whole world collects for expensive operations, which often can only be done abroad! By the way, I do not hesitate to help such children and get huge satisfaction from this!

                        what I'm tired of you already! You, my young friend, first at least find out what to say, wake up, and only then enter into polemics!
                        Hi Navalny! hi
            2. Gardamir
              Gardamir 25 June 2020 14: 49
              0
              Eating
              E my friend, you’re in no way from Ukraine
              1. St Petrov
                St Petrov 25 June 2020 23: 22
                +1
                E my friend, you’re in no way from Ukraine

                you don’t know all the countrymen on the site yet
                I am learning Ukrainian mov, will you help if sho?
              2. Serg65
                Serg65 26 June 2020 08: 45
                +2
                Quote: Gardamir
                E my friend, you’re in no way from Ukraine

                laughing Eco as the joy of you flooded !!! Relax Gardamir, I'm not one of yours wink
            3. 210ox
              210ox 25 June 2020 15: 05
              16
              Sergey, tell me why to declare in the basic law that a priori is a function of any state. Why did the president remember sick children just before the vote? What, before I didn’t know what was being collected by the whole world according to SMS? And how amendments to the priority of Russian law can prevent foreign courts from seizing state property in contentious cases. And yes, I'm not a Jew either, not a German or a rear-wheel drive. Hard worker, electrician. I will vote against. You can vote only on each article, and not in bulk.
              1. Sandor Clegane
                Sandor Clegane 25 June 2020 15: 25
                +6
                Quote: 210ox
                And yes, I'm not a Jew either, not a German or a rear-wheel drive. Hard worker, electrician.

                and I am the same, I work in the HOA and I will also vote against, in bulk for amendments - this is stupid idiocy! Of all the good corrections, 3 are not acceptable enough - I’m not a ram and I’m stupidly not following the herd! And the EDR’s power is already enraging, these Colorado beetles are indestructible! They are a cancerous tumor on the body of a working country. Ugh
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 26 June 2020 09: 14
                  +4
                  Quote: Sandor Clegane
                  these colorado beetles indestructible

                  Ooo, tseEuropa, glory of ukroin, banderunagilyaku ...- pass by !!!
                  1. Sandor Clegane
                    Sandor Clegane 26 June 2020 09: 31
                    -4
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Quote: Sandor Clegane
                    these Colorado beetles are indestructible

                    Ooo, tseEuropa, glory of ukroin, banderunagilyaku ...- pass by !!!

                    oops, kremleboty went to work, and hde you saw banderlogov, probably in the mirror. I look at your comments and it immediately becomes clear who you are, why you are and what you are for, so by!
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 26 June 2020 09: 54
                      +3
                      Quote: Sandor Clegane
                      hde you saw banderlogov

                      Well, your battle cry "Colarads are indestructible" gives you away with all the guts ... a fighter for European values laughing
                      1. Sandor Clegane
                        Sandor Clegane 26 June 2020 13: 16
                        -1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Well, your battle cry "Colarads are indestructible"

                        you boy never seemed to have plowed on the ground, on potatoes, otherwise you would have known that our power has been compared with Colorado since 1993, since both of them are indestructible !!! And to your boyish surprise, this is in the heart of Russia - the Voronezh region !!
                      2. Serg65
                        Serg65 26 June 2020 14: 27
                        +1
                        Malaya, since when is Voronezh the heart of Russia? Voronezh .... ah Voronezh what Well then you didn’t say it right away? Voronezh, already like 4 years old throughout Russia, is famous for its love for a neighboring country!
                        Quote: Sandor Clegane
                        our power has been compared with colorado since 1993

                        Moreover, they are mainly compared either by citizens of a neighboring country, or immigrants from the same country!
                      3. Sandor Clegane
                        Sandor Clegane 26 June 2020 15: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Voronezh, already like 4 years old throughout Russia, is famous for its love for a neighboring country!

                        Petya boy are you ... silt?
                        Quote: Serg65
                        since when is Voronezh the heart of Russia?

                        and what do you have kremlebot against Voronezh? - Of course, a heart that drives sugar, potatoes, corn and almost all agricultural products into bins!

                        Quote: Serg65
                        Moreover, they are mainly compared either by citizens of a neighboring country, or immigrants from the same country!

                        and only paid Kremlin boats with zeal of downstart banging on the clave from morning to night, hoping to be treated by the EDR in the form of a sucker to the budget or for a fixed rate!
            4. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
              tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 26 June 2020 18: 07
              0
              Do not give yourself away so carelessly. "Colorado beetles". Add more about barbecue and that's it - SVD will send you greetings. Over time, unfortunately ...
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 26 June 2020 09: 13
            +3
            Quote: 210ox
            tell me why declare in the basic law that a priori is a function of any state

            Dmitry, you are behind the times! In the Europe where we are so stubbornly called ..
            Quote: 210ox
            not a Jew, not a German and not rear-wheel drive

            functions of the state have changed a lot! For example, in Germany there is a big scandal connected with the re-education of pedophiles, so that they are kinder, they were "forced" to adopt orphans and they also paid money for this!
            Putin, God forbid, with the help of the Wall Street guys, you’ll throw off, but are not afraid of the second Gorbachev to bring to power?
            Quote: 210ox
            Why did the president remember sick children just before the vote? What, before I didn’t know what was being collected by the whole world according to SMS?

            It’s a pity you can’t swear on the site !!! The fact that the state spends a lot of money on free assistance to children with disabilities and their families is news for you, as I understand it? A disabled child and a mother caring for him monthly receive from 25 to 30 thousand rubles, depending on the region, are provided with medicines (and +/- another 2,5-3 thousand) and wheelchairs for free, have the right to travel in public and railway transport, have annual free spa treatment, are entitled to take a mortgage minus 5% at the interest rate.
            The whole world collects for expensive operations, which often can only be done abroad! By the way, I do not hesitate to help such children and get huge satisfaction from this! In addition, no one forces you to help, this is your personal desire!
            Quote: 210ox
            Hard worker, electrician

            Do you live badly?
            Quote: 210ox
            You can vote only on each article, and not in bulk.

            laughing A familiar mantra, it’s been pouring into my ears for half a year already and just from
            Quote: Serg65
            The French are against the amendments, the Germans are against the amendments, the Americans are against the amendments, Lenya Gozman is against, the gays are against, the Nazis are against, the communists are against

            what Leonid Guzman is probably a simple hard worker ....
            Dmitry to vote or not, this is your business, nobody is capturing you at gunpoint!
        2. alone
          alone 25 June 2020 15: 34
          +4
          Quote: Serg65
          (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states),

          And these are different ways of changing the territorial integrity of the country ...
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 26 June 2020 09: 17
            +3
            Quote: lonely
            And these are different ways of changing the territorial integrity of the country ...

            These principles are a thousand years old at lunch, and it is these principles that ensure the safe and friendly living of neighbors!
        3. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 25 June 2020 16: 07
          +6
          Quote: Serg65
          Article 67, part 2.1. The Russian Federation protects its sovereignty and territorial integrity.

          And article 4, what does not suit you? By simply protecting integrity? Without any exceptions? And to sell something, under the guise of a demarcation, is problematic?
          Quote: Serg65
          Art. 67 h. 4. Children are the most important priority of the state policy of Russia.

          Not a question at all. Make a tax deduction for personal income tax. So that at least 2-3.000 rubles for each child are not taxed. Of course, it’s not even enough for milk, but at least some concern will be visible. But from the article of the constitution, and the pathos prescribed in it, it’s problem to cook porridge. Chew? To give a tax credit for it, because it hits the finances, but is it possible to register an article? Paphos is now free.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 26 June 2020 09: 42
            0
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            And article 4, what does not suit you?

            My friend, I am always impressed by your ability to verbally laughing
            Article 4 Part 2
            The Russian Federation ensures the integrity and inviolability of its territory

            How? By what means? Provides based on what? Too vague definition of integrity and integrity, don't you find?
            Article 67, part 2 in the old version ..
            The Russian Federation has sovereign rights and exercises jurisdiction on the continental shelf and in the exclusive economic zone of the Russian Federation in the manner determined by federal law and international law.

            That’s what the highlighted would not be interpreted as it pleases, an addition is introduced that determines the nature of sovereign right!
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Make a tax deduction for personal income tax. So that at least 2-3.000 rubles for each child are not taxed

            laughing Your constant desire to evade taxes has long been known!
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            at least some concern will be visible.

            I won’t repeat about public care, and there’s no point, because it’s not your topic, My friend, you have already set a task ... down with Putin!
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Paphos is now free.

            Something I hardly believe in your free pathos!
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 26 June 2020 10: 26
              +1
              Quote: Serg65
              How? By what means?

              Lawful amiable, lawful. However, for the most advanced, you can add a complete list to the constitution. Up to the roll-call listing of all the soldiers, and the enumeration of AK numbers. And to accept a new amendment with each appeal, and delivery to the warehouse of zinc with cartridges.
              Quote: Serg65
              That’s what the highlighted would not be interpreted as it pleases, an addition is introduced that determines the nature of sovereign right!

              And what federal laws? And what exactly from international law? Since we decided to play the country of fools, whom we cannot trust with a toilet paper roll without instructions at 101, then we need to continue. And then it is such international law ... No matter how 3/4 of the documents Russia has not signed and does not take into account. Need to clarify.
              Quote: Serg65
              Your constant desire to evade taxes has long been known!

              A. Well, that is, the main thing for you is to register in the constitution. About children and love for them. And there let them die. At least from hunger, at least from cancer. These are trifles, the main thing is to beautifully arrange the luggage compartment. Tricky question. In the country, every 7th child is a beggar. These are quite official figures. Who specifically, and how, interferes with the guarantor. to the government and the Duma to take care of them?
              Quote: Serg65
              Something I hardly believe in your free pathos!

              Compare your number of posts, and mine. It is more than obvious which of us is more like a paid pen worker, and who looks in our free time.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 26 June 2020 11: 49
                +2
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Legal amiable, legal

                Well buddy I’ll tell you ...
                For example, the border between Russia and China in the Altai region passes on top of the ridges as spelled out in the mutual documents, an earthquake happened and the top of the ridge shifted 15 meters in our direction, and so for 20 km! As a result, 3 square meters. km of our territory went to China, for a minute I notice Domansky square of 0,74 square meters. Km! Starting a battle? Or are we going to negotiate? What does article 4, part 3 tell us about this?
                Another example, some deputies of the State Duma begin to lobby for a resolution on the transfer of some land to a certain state. The same question, but what does article 4 tell us about this?
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                In the country, every 7th child is a beggar. These are quite official figures.

                please reference quite official data! Only the data of the Free Press and the Moscow Komsomolets do not offer! Yes, by the way ... last year, the same MK shouted about every 9 children wink
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                And there let them die. At least from hunger, at least from cancer. These are trifles;

                Those. my dear, we’re tearing a shirt on ourselves, letting foam out of our mouths, but how are things really going with the help of children with cancer, cerebral palsy, epilepsy and other serious illnesses, it makes no difference to you! The main thing is to launch a slop meme!
                Well, you are for people, well, you want power, well, then do something for this with your heads, hands, feet! Convince the people that it is you who will lead them to the jelly banks and milk rivers! So no, you better work with your tongue and fingers "mazolisty"! How many governors were from the communists and liberals, and where is the result I apologize to ask?
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Compare your number of posts and mine

                laughing So I and the older trochi on this site will be!
                1. Lannan Shi
                  Lannan Shi 26 June 2020 15: 01
                  +3
                  Quote: Serg65
                  What does article 4, part 3 tell us about this?

                  That we have enough nuclear weapons at all.
                  But the new version of the constitution will say that you can give everything at all. The meaning of the words demarcation and delimitation study for a start, then speak.
                  Quote: Serg65
                  please a link to a completely official data!

                  Rosstat website. Official statistics. Population. inequality and poverty.
                  Quote: Serg65
                  The main thing is to launch a slop meme!

                  I live a little more than 30 km from the Moscow Ring Road. An ambulance can go to me for 3 hours, and 5 or more. So ... No need to treat me about cerebral palsy and other things, at five o’clock on foot from the capital, a child may die of banal bleeding if he isn’t prepared among relatives / neighbors.
                  If you do not want to do it at least write something. We have no desire. In the United States, for which there is no word about sociality, 2/3 of the budget for that same social network goes. In particular, for welfare for those very low-income miniature. We have through and through social Russia, with constitutional guarantees, 20 million beyond the line of survival. Despite all the records
                  Quote: Serg65
                  So I and the older trochi on this site will be!

                  That's it. 1.5 times older, and almost 10 times more comms.
        4. Skarpzd
          Skarpzd 26 June 2020 02: 52
          0
          Art. 67. Part 4. Children are the most important priority of the state policy of Russia. The state creates conditions conducive to the comprehensive spiritual, moral, intellectual and physical development of children, the education of patriotism, citizenship and respect for elders in them.

          scum correction. about nothing. I know people who wrote about amending K. that the treatment of children should be free and guaranteed by the state. Chot did not ride.
      2. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 26 June 2020 18: 03
        -1
        You flatter yourself. A bit,% 95 ...
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 14: 35
    +1
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Name at least one amendment and explain what will change.

    So if nothing changes anyway, why are you against it?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 14: 37
      +5
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      why are you against?

      I simply won’t go to vote. I am against lifelong senatorialism, but everything has already been decided. We are for them - elekhtrorakht, with rearranged letters on the end.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 14: 43
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        I just won’t go to vote

        So you have no moral right to discuss these amendments and claim that they imposed them on you. Since you have the opportunity to state your position, but you voluntarily refuse it, ignoring the vote.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 14: 45
          +6
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          So you have no moral right to discuss these amendments and state

          Why is that? I even have it, because I am a citizen of the Russian Federation.
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Since you have the opportunity to indicate your position,

          I designated it.
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          everything has already been decided.
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 15: 09
            -8
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Why is that? I even have it, because I am a citizen of the Russian Federation.

            Well, go ahead and demonstrate to the authorities with your "no" that you are against.
            Otherwise, excuses from the area are obtained:
            "I'll never be a Schwarzenegger anyway, so I won't go to the gym."
            "I still won't become Usain Bolt, so I won't run."
            And so on.
            Complacency and justification for their inert position.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 15: 11
              +3
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
              what are you against.

              I repeat the third time:
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              everything has already been decided.
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 25 June 2020 16: 01
                +1
                then it's time for you to leave here
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 20: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  then it's time for you to leave here

                  I was born and raised in Russia. If you say that it’s time for me to leave, I will say - only with your feet forward. Come on Nastenka, act.
                  1. Nastia makarova
                    Nastia makarova 26 June 2020 08: 05
                    +3
                    then you have to go vote or at least not agitate not to go others
                  2. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 08: 56
                    -2
                    Quote: Nastia Makarova
                    at least not agitate not to walk others

                    Each has its own head on its shoulders, and I do not agitate anyone. I express my opinion and explain why I intend to do so, and not otherwise.
            2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 16: 48
              +2
              But if you refuse to vote, so
              everything has already been decided.

              why are you so indignant at your unsatisfactory state of affairs in the country?
              It makes sense to you to shake the air, if you can’t do anything about the situation, because
              everything has already been decided.

              ?
              Why are you writing your comments if you don’t even want to take advantage of the only opportunity that you have?
              On the one hand, you are terribly unhappy, but on the other hand, prefer to do nothing, as
              everything has already been decided.

              Some kind of running in the wheel turns out.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 20: 35
                0
                Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Why are you writing your comments if you don’t even want to take advantage of the only opportunity that you have?

                Are you stuck? For the fourth time I write:
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                everything has already been decided.
          2. Region68
            Region68 25 June 2020 15: 45
            +3
            You can’t participate in an illegal action .. You become a criminal yourself
          3. Tank hard
            Tank hard 25 June 2020 18: 41
            +3
            Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Well, go ahead and demonstrate to the authorities with your "no" that you are against

            Sami and go. wink Do you know why? But because Vladimir, he is Mordvin 3 in this case, is right. request
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 19: 32
              -2
              But because Vladimir, he is Mordvin 3 in this case, is right.

              What reason do you have to say this?
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 25 June 2020 19: 34
                +2
                Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                What reason do you have to say this?

                Knowledge and life experience. wink
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 19: 36
                  -2
                  Knowledge and life experience.

                  Knowledge of what? Did you run for election? Have you been a member of the election commission? Do you know firsthand about fraud and all that?
                2. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 25 June 2020 19: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Did you run for election?

                  The ultimate, like all citizens, but you are not? wink
                3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 19: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  The ultimate, like all citizens, but you are not?

                  As a candidate who, in his personal experience, felt all the dirt of the undercover games.
                4. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 25 June 2020 19: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  As a candidate who, in his personal experience, felt all the dirt of the undercover games

                  Well, if you feel like a candidate, why are you asking me a question?
                5. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 19: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  Well, if you feel like a candidate, why are you asking me a question?

                  It’s not me who say that the vote does not make sense, because "everything has already been decided."
                6. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 25 June 2020 19: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  It's not me who say that the vote does not make sense, because "everything has already been decided"

                  Let’s say so, I affirm that the amendments will pass and the amended constitution will be adopted. And after the vote we will see whether I was right or not. wink
                7. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 20: 00
                  +1
                  You wrote that Vladimir, he's Mordvin 3 is right.
                  Mordvin 3, aka Vladimir, wrote that he would not personally vote, as he believes that "everything has already been decided."
                  I asked why you think that the name is right?
                8. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 25 June 2020 20: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  I asked why you think that the name is right?

                  As I already answered, it's a pity you did not understand this, I repeat, I agree with Vladimir.
                9. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 20: 04
                  0
                  I did not understand why some people believe that the adoption of amendments can take place only by fraud?
                  Why don't you allow the idea that the majority can quite sincerely and honestly vote for the amendments? Without any fraud.
                10. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 25 June 2020 20: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  I did not understand why some people believe that the adoption of amendments can take place only by fraud?
                  Why don't you allow the idea that the majority can quite sincerely and honestly vote for the amendments? Without any fraud.

                  It is possible that the majority will vote for, I can not speak for everyone. But Vladimir and I-speak for themselves, most of my friends will not go. The rest themselves decide. request By the way, Vladimir and I often do not agree, but not in this case.
  • krillon
    krillon 26 June 2020 00: 22
    +1
    Do not sit down to slurp cabbage soup with the devil, he still has a longer spoon. We were fooled many times, once again asked to participate. I offer betting offices betting, the result is predictable.
  • MoJloT
    MoJloT 25 June 2020 15: 13
    +4
    but you voluntarily refuse it, ignoring voting.
    What is the vote? You seriously believe this, as small children, you at least ask the dead militants who rebelled in the presidential election. This is the first, second vote against the majority of Russians abstract amendments to the abstract constitution, state employees to turn into specific problems at work.
    1. AAK
      AAK 25 June 2020 21: 57
      +3
      I don’t know, colleague, what punishments I will receive as an employee of a state-owned enterprise, having voted against, now it will be quite possible for us (Crimea, Simferopol) to "snatch the luli" from the leadership simply without coming to this plebiscite. Both me and my wife (she is also an employee of a state enterprise) need to inform the immediate management in the next day or two about whether he voted himself, as well as adult family members. People, this is not a joke or a provocation. In reality, there was no such total control even under the Ukrainian government (I did not go to any of the presidential elections and to the Supreme Rada in the period 1991-2013). I spun this kind of "democracy" when a candy is hammered into your mouth with a hammer ...
  • 210ox
    210ox 25 June 2020 15: 10
    0
    Vote must go. Do not like it, vote against. Personally, I, if I do not see an alternative in the ballot in the presidential election, Putin and a few freaks, just spoil the ballot.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 15: 15
      +6
      Quote: 210ox
      Vote must go.

      Personally, I have an oscillatory position. I want to say no to the amendments, but at the same time, I am 99,9 percent sure that they will be accepted. request
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 25 June 2020 15: 25
        +2
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Personally, I have an oscillatory position. I want to say no to the amendments, but at the same time, I am 99,9 percent sure that they will be accepted.

        Today there are already many videos in which people vote twice, the first time on the site, the second electronically.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 16: 44
          +1
          And in 2018 there were many videos with all sorts of carousels and stuffing, which were subsequently exposed.
          Why are you sure that the videos you watched are not staged?
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 25 June 2020 16: 51
            -1
            Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
            And in 2018 there were many videos with all sorts of carousels and stuffing, which were subsequently exposed.
            Why are you sure that the videos you watched are not staged?

            See for yourself, no comment.
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 16: 53
              -1
              Why doesn't the author of this video signal to the CEC? Because "it's already decided"?
              Sue, do at least something. In the meantime, you can only not reflect and distribute. Exactly according to the precepts of Navalny.
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 25 June 2020 17: 12
                +4
                Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Why doesn't the author of this video signal to the CEC? Because "it's already decided"?

                The author himself will figure out what to do with this material.
                Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                In the meantime, you can only not reflect and distribute. Exactly according to the precepts of Navalny.

                I am very sorry, but you write garbage and what has someone's "covenants" to do with it? hi
              2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 17: 16
                -1
                Because you did not make the slightest effort to verify the truth of the information presented in the video, but immediately declared it to be irrefutable evidence. And, accordingly, instantly rushed to distribute.
                A similar story was with the alleged manifesto of EP from 2002.
              3. St Petrov
                St Petrov 25 June 2020 17: 43
                -1
                A similar story was with the alleged manifesto of EP from 2002.


                Now, too, there are clowns issuing this fried Old. They are embarrassed to say this now, but they are here)

  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 25 June 2020 18: 42
    0
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    99,9 percent are sure that they will be accepted.

    It will be so. We’ll soon check whether I’m right or not. wink
  • Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 26 June 2020 03: 08
    +1
    I agree. will be accepted. most of my friends will go to vote. and will vote FOR. I myself also voted FOR. I am not a supporter of Putin. Of all the amendments, I am satisfied with the "integrity of the Russian Federation" and "shaking off foreign citizens from the authorities." "The priority of Russian legislation over international ones," the rest I do not understand at all about what and why.
  • Threaded screw
    Threaded screw 25 June 2020 15: 16
    +5
    Vote must go. Do not like it, vote against.
    Yeah, and then the list will come to work who voted, with recommendations, good advice))
    just spoiling the newsletter.
    You at least wrap green tea in it, turnout and the desired percentage will still be.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 25 June 2020 17: 21
      -3
      Yeah, and then the list will come to work who voted, with recommendations, good advice))


      not a marshal yet. This is a flaw
      I believe that with such a clear mind, you are clearly underestimated in VO.

      1. Threaded screw
        Threaded screw 25 June 2020 17: 54
        +3
        not a marshal yet.
        On this account, or in principle?
  • unaha
    unaha 25 June 2020 14: 50
    10
    Well, how it will not change! It will even change - we will have a life-long president with immunity, life-long senators, it is unclear what the state council is doing, completely parliament, court, government subordinate to the president. Separation of branches of power? No, we don’t know anything like that, huh? So get god into the constitution. And how was it in RI? All power is from God, and the church has already been built.
    1. Vend
      Vend 25 June 2020 15: 17
      -6
      Quote: unaha
      Well, how it will not change! It will even change - we will have a life-long president with immunity, life-long senators, it is unclear what the state council is doing, completely parliament, court, government subordinate to the president. Separation of branches of power? No, we don’t know anything like that, huh? So get god into the constitution. And how was it in RI? All power is from God, and the church has already been built.

      Have you carefully read the amendment about this? The president’s immunity can be deprived, everything is spelled out there.
      1. unaha
        unaha 25 June 2020 15: 21
        +4
        It is possible, yes - theoretically ... And who will do it? Tame "senators" and the court?
        "The deprivation of immunity of a president who has terminated the exercise of his powers may occur after the submission of the Chairman of the Investigative Committee on a criminal case on a serious crime is sent to the State Duma. adopts its decision and notifies the Chairman of the Investigative Committee about it. "
        1. Vend
          Vend 25 June 2020 15: 40
          0
          Quote: unaha
          It is possible, yes - theoretically ... And who will do it? Tame "senators" and the court?
          "The deprivation of immunity of a president who has terminated the exercise of his powers may occur after the submission of the Chairman of the Investigative Committee on a criminal case on a serious crime is sent to the State Duma. adopts its decision and notifies the Chairman of the Investigative Committee about it. "

          And you do not like the manual senators of the 90s? laughing
          1. unaha
            unaha 25 June 2020 15: 50
            +4
            Yes, I don't like tame senators. Not a manual trial. Not a tame parliament, not tame governors.
            But these manual ones - to your liking)))
    2. Threaded screw
      Threaded screw 25 June 2020 15: 20
      +2
      Well, how it will not change! It will even change - we will have a life-long president with immunity, life-long senators, it is unclear what the state council is doing, fully subordinate to the president parliament, court, government
      Well, that is, nothing really changes ...
      1. unaha
        unaha 25 June 2020 15: 32
        +6
        Still, it will change, now: "The Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation is a judicial body of constitutional control, independently and independently exercising judicial power through constitutional proceedings "
        In the correction of words independently and independently will be gone. Now he is at least theoretically independent.
        1. Threaded screw
          Threaded screw 25 June 2020 15: 36
          -2
          independently and independently exercising judicial power through constitutional proceedings

    3. parusnik
      parusnik 25 June 2020 15: 43
      +4
      So get god in the constitution
      .... Provided that article 14 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states 1. The Russian Federation is a secular state. No religion can be established as state or mandatory. 2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.
      1. unaha
        unaha 25 June 2020 17: 44
        +1
        "Provided that Article 14 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states"
        Well, Moscow was not immediately built)))
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 26 June 2020 12: 29
        +1
        When you defended "socialist legality" in uniform, were you not embarrassed by the one-party principle in the USSR Constitution? Or embarrassed?
    4. AK1972
      AK1972 25 June 2020 16: 38
      +9
      And what will change, except for the eternal president? Our senators do not change anyway and are completely subordinate to the guarantor of the Constitution, who himself gave a damn about it. Is our court independent? I beg you, even the Constitutional Court recognized the procedure of "nationwide voting" as legal, which is not prescribed in the Constitution, and I am generally silent about the government. God was prescribed - the question of which God? Christ, Yahweh, Sabaoth, Allah, Krishna? Can list everyone just in case, who knows who is in charge among them? And what to do with Buddhists, they have no God (and there are many Buddhists in Russia). And atheists automatically become violators of the Constitution. Outlaw them?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 03: 21
        0
        Quote: AK1972
        Can I list everyone just in case, who knows who among them is the main one?

        One one-eyed. repeat
    5. Achilles
      Achilles 25 June 2020 18: 50
      -1
      Quote: unaha
      Well, how it will not change! It will even change - we will have a life-long president with immunity, life-long senators, it is unclear what the state council is doing, fully subordinate to the president parliament, court, government

      Lifelong president? If one or another president is really not happy with the majority of the people, and they vote against him by the majority, then it will not be possible to get involved in it, especially with foreign observers. In general, I believe in a democratic country there should not be restrictions on presidential terms. And yes, the amendments also say how to remove the immunity of the president and everyone else.
  • 210ox
    210ox 25 June 2020 15: 07
    +4
    Personally, I am against voting on the articles as a whole package, and not separately.
    1. Threaded screw
      Threaded screw 25 June 2020 15: 18
      +1
      Personally, I am against voting on the articles as a whole package, and not separately.
      What changes what you are against, or how will the situation change if there is a separate vote?
      1. 210ox
        210ox 25 June 2020 15: 26
        +2
        Firstly. There are articles for which you can vote FOR. Although you can always find loopholes for a second citizenship or property overseas. Secondly. The situation will not change, but my conscience will be clear. At least for myself.
  • The comment was deleted.
  • Sergey39
    Sergey39 25 June 2020 14: 36
    0
    Quote: Serg65
    The French are against the amendments, the Germans are against the amendments, the Americans are against the amendments, Lenya Gozman is against, the gays are against, the Nazis are against, the communists are against ...

    It’s not even clear how the Communists got into this company. Maybe they only have a name from the Communists?
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 17: 16
      -3
      Quote: Sergey39
      Maybe they only have a name from the Communists?

      Worse! now it is KPRF LLC!
  • mirexes
    mirexes 25 June 2020 16: 08
    -2
    see how many cons you put those whom you listed hhahahahah
  • Alexga
    Alexga 25 June 2020 14: 16
    17
    Not mine, of course, this is the case, but the form of adoption of such a number of amendments looks very doubtful. It is wiser to create a new Constitution, discuss it, and then submit it to a referendum.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 25 June 2020 14: 31
      +6
      Quote: AlexGa
      It is wiser to create a new Constitution, discuss it, and then submit it to a referendum.
      And why the amendments are not a new Constitution. Non-binding "social", practically absolute presidential power, on the side are international norms (not court decisions that will force us to comply without looking back at our constitution, namely norms) ...
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 25 June 2020 16: 13
        +1
        So I’m just saying that the Constitution, as the Basic Law, must first be verified, all the provisions are calculated, condemned by the people, and then make decisions on it. But this is just my opinion.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 25 June 2020 19: 01
          0
          Quote: AlexGa
          The Constitution, as the Basic Law, must first be verified, all provisions are calculated
          What exactly do you dislike in the current version of the Constitution? Convicted by the people? With modern political technologies - do not care about the people.
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 25 June 2020 19: 18
            0
            Convicted by the people

            To blame, discussed among the people. Let the Constitution please you. I am a leftist in this matter. I gave an example of the adoption of the Constitution in Belarus, with the adoption procedure of which I agreed.
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 25 June 2020 19: 27
              +3
              Quote: AlexGa
              Let the Constitution please you.
              Let's put it this way: I have fewer questions for the current Constitution than for the option that they are pushing through.
              Take the "widely discussed", but in fact - push-through clause about the rule of law: the problem is that the articles of international law were not adopted without our participation, and therefore we need to blame ourselves if they are not beneficial to us. On the other hand, by accepting generally accepted articles, we integrate into the community. We are offered to oppose ourselves. And they hang us noodles. The decisions of the courts, even in the British one, even in the Hague, are not the norms of the Law, but the decisions of the court. They can be anything (for all the money to lawyers), but the implementation will be pushed by the interested countries, despite our Constitution. One problem: now it will not be possible to take the soul away in the international court. Nobody.
              Well, the adoption of the power vertical is like a coronation.
              1. Alexga
                Alexga 25 June 2020 20: 04
                0
                In short, international law should be enforced only within the framework of signed treaties. In general, forget about international courts, and, of course, no extradition of your citizens. What is international law? In general, no one understands what it is. Suffice it to recall Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya. Yes, if the law is violated, then judge only at home.
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 26 June 2020 04: 57
                  0
                  Quote: AlexGa
                  To forget about international courts
                  But why? Agree on the little things to return a hundredfold.

                  Quote: AlexGa
                  no extradition of its citizens
                  Again: not everything is unambiguous - depending on how you mow.
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 25 June 2020 14: 40
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: AlexGa
      create ... discuss ... put to a referendum.

      That is, to tighten the decision of the most important issues as much as possible? Can all the same, first accept the amendments, and then start venturing with the adoption of a new constitution?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 14: 42
        +2
        Quote: Sergey39
        That is, to tighten the decision of the most important issues as much as possible?

        What are the most important issues in the amendments?
        1. Sergey39
          Sergey39 25 June 2020 14: 46
          -5
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          What are the most important issues in the amendments?

          You can read the draft amendments. This is generally uncomplicated.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 14: 50
            +7
            Quote: Sergey39
            You can read the draft amendments. This is generally uncomplicated.

            I've read them. I ask you to name the solutions to the "most important issues".
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 25 June 2020 15: 55
              0
              The most important issues are the control of all branches of power by the president. Remember how those who now in power said earlier that they need a system of checks and balances, about several branches of power that are not dependent on each other ... And now, everything ... everything is now under the control of one. ..This is beneficial to those who shouted about democracy and cursed totalitarianism ... It all reminds me of what the tsarist government did to the Duma after the granting of freedoms in October 1905 ..
      2. Region68
        Region68 25 June 2020 15: 59
        +1
        20 years pulled and nothing
      3. Alexga
        Alexga 25 June 2020 16: 15
        -7
        And what, it is better to write something on your knee, and then think: "how did it happen?"
        1. Region68
          Region68 25 June 2020 16: 56
          +4
          But is it not written on my knee?))) For a couple of months by the Isinbayevs who had not read the constitution before ..
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 25 June 2020 17: 01
            +1
            Well, I can't tell you directly that they are trying to cheat you, I personally would vote "against", it is better to live in peace with my conscience, but I am not a citizen of Russia, but as a Russian person I express my opinion.
      4. AK1972
        AK1972 25 June 2020 16: 41
        +5
        Quote: Sergey39
        That is, to tighten the decision of the most important issues as much as possible?

        What, Sergey, do you also have no time for buildup? Are you afraid that the galley will swing?
    3. mirexes
      mirexes 25 June 2020 16: 09
      -1
      You are our reasonable, I hope you do not work in hiring, otherwise what might be the opinion of the laborer
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 25 June 2020 16: 17
        +6
        It is regrettable that your state consists only of laborers, and not citizens of this state.
        1. Hypatius
          Hypatius 25 June 2020 22: 02
          +3
          Alexga
          Today, 16: 17
          +2
          It is regrettable that your state consists only of farm laborers, and not the citizens of this state

          Your untruth, we have many citizens who are served by our democratic state: Sechin, Miller, Volodin, Gref .... Their darkness. And the people will support (probably) such a state on plebos-cite.
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 25 June 2020 22: 14
            +3
            we have many citizens who serve our democratic state: Sechin, Miller, Volodin, Gref .... Their darkness.

            Yeah! I would like to ask a question to those awarded with the medal "Defender of Free Russia" - "You defended such freedom, did you want it?" But reasoning purely hypothetically, this situation cannot be changed now. Elections? I think no.
            1. Hypatius
              Hypatius 25 June 2020 23: 01
              +1
              Perhaps I am a dreamer of a bloodless transformation to answer:
              But arguing purely hypothetically, this situation cannot be changed now. Elections? I think no.
              Purely, hypothetically, a boycott (such an event) will not allow the adoption of the "constitution of 2020", in fact the charter of a new firm of the trust "russia", instead of a closed company "rf" with a charter from 1993 (the original of the draft is missing). The trust ends with either a new trust or the return of the property (with a profit) to the settlor. Which means, the return to the legal field of the 1977 Constitution (de jure in force), and the formation of the lost state bodies performing state functions (now legal entities and subjects provide state services). Printing your own money, not a "ruble sign". By the way, now the Central Bank rate is 54 SUR rubles for $ 100.
              And so, to build power from below, as expected, are necessary Elections in tips. With the transition to the constitution of 1936 and it is already to rule. Well, of course, citizens are needed, which are not individuals of firms in the Russian Federation, Pepsi, and so on. Simply put, equal shareholders of the enterprise are Russia, and not hired migrants in a state controlled by legal entities owned by piece citizens. Also a question with citizenship, but solved.
              I apologize, that very briefly, because it may not be clear, but it's time to buy.
              1. Alexga
                Alexga 25 June 2020 23: 07
                +1
                You are absolutely right! It’s only better to talk about a return to the 1977 Constitution, In my opinion.
                1. Hypatius
                  Hypatius 25 June 2020 23: 14
                  +1
                  so I first wrote. 1977. But KPSS-edra should be excluded from management. For it turns out that citizens are not equal shareholders, but privileged, without the right to vote. Those. two classes, just less pronounced than now (demos-plebos). Therefore, then the transition to 1936 as amended by modernity.
                  1. Alexga
                    Alexga 25 June 2020 23: 55
                    0
                    Somehow I won’t answer right away. After 36 years were 37-38 years
                    38 years, very difficult. Although now there are a lot of candidates for landing. It is enough to include the Criminal Code in full.
                2. Hypatius
                  Hypatius 25 June 2020 23: 19
                  +1
                  A case not from the States. If yes, then answer
                  this is our fake or reality.
                  1. Alexga
                    Alexga 25 June 2020 23: 49
                    +1
                    Belarus, not the states.
    4. Whirlwind
      Whirlwind 25 June 2020 16: 11
      -1
      ..
      Not mine, of course, this is the case, but the form of adoption of such a number of amendments looks very doubtful. It is wiser to create a new Constitution, discuss it, and then submit it to a referendum.

      Dear Alexander, is it wiser? YES ! BUT, unfortunately, this is just not possible because of the sabotage of the fifth column in power. According to the Constitution, in order to change it, i.e. to amend Chapter 1 "Fundamentals of the Constitutional System", it is necessary to use the CONSTITUTIONAL ASSEMBLY, but it is NOT all 27 years of the existence of the Yeltsin Constitution of 1993. In order for the Constitutional Court to appear, there is a need for a LAW about it, but it DOESN'T, and how many patriotic forces, primarily the NOD, did not try to push through this law, nothing comes out for obvious reasons. The Constitution of the Russian Federation ... was written in the USA, by the American Agency for International Cooperation in the interests of the United States, and not in the interests of Russia, moreover, to the detriment of her and her people! And they do their best to make the 1st and 2nd COLONIAL Chapters untouchable!
      Those. Now, fundamental amendments have not been made and adopted, but technical ...
      Such is NEOCOLONIALISM into which we treacherously plopped after the defeat of the USSR in the twentieth century 1945-1991.
      BUT, Putin found a way out ... How? In 2019, the collection of signatures was initiated throughout Russia. As a result, about 2 signatures were collected FOR changing untouchable, colonial articles in Chapter 000 - these are 000.p 1. and 15.p.4. Since the PEOPLE are the source of power under the Constitution, the millionth demand of the people has opened the way to PLEBISCIT - the highest form of referendum - popular vote on the CHANGE of the colonial Constitution and the SOVEREIGN! No one can interfere with the popular vote except the people themselves, who will not come to the Plebiscite, which is greatly facilitated by the five-column, the media and their owner - the United States.
      Thus, on July 1 we will decide the fate of Russia, what we choose, then we get ...
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 25 June 2020 16: 26
        +3
        Eugene, you are absolutely correct in saying that I completely understand all this. I knowingly spoke about my view from the outside. I would like to cite the adoption of the new Constitution in Belarus. In 1994, a constitution was adopted (I can’t write this word with a capital letter) like yours. After the Elections, Lukashenko, despite the opposition of the Armed Forces, a commission was created to develop a new Constitution, which collected the proposals and wishes of the population, it took 1,5 years to complete. Then a referendum and the adoption of this Constitution. Yes, in 2004 a provision was made to abolish the term of the presidency. Somehow it was like that.
    5. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 17: 26
      -4
      Quote: AlexGa
      the form of adoption of such a number of amendments looks very doubtful. It is wiser to create a new Constitution, discuss it, and then submit it to a referendum.

      It is impossible, the process of adopting a new Constitution is a VERY slow process, and with the KNOWN diligence of interested persons under the control of the State Department, the CIA and others like them, the process can be stretched to INFINITY. Look, hardly a month has passed since the announcement of the intention to amend the Constitution, but how the "fifth column" has become more active. What pressure comes from the United States, despite the civil war they have! Just now, when they are "not quite up to us", this is what they need to do! Remember: the State Department has allocated 70 million dollars for the overthrow of Putin!
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 25 June 2020 17: 34
        0
        The process of adopting a new Constitution is not a VERY quick process.

        In Belarus, it took a little more than a year.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 June 2020 19: 01
        +3
        Remember: the State Department has allocated 70 million dollars to overthrow Putin!
        Looks like you have your own in the State Department, since you have already been informed. Or did you attend budget approval?
    6. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 26 June 2020 03: 14
      0
      would be optimal. but...
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 25 June 2020 14: 19
    +9
    And Pafilova has already stated that the opinion of citizens on the amendments is not interesting, they have already accepted everything. This vote is a blessing for Putin and is worthy of respect. After that, one must not respect oneself in order to participate in this "circus"!
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 25 June 2020 14: 44
      +2
      Here’s such a trick. If 50% of the population vote against, according to the Federal Law on the adoption of amendments, then probably everything - the Federal Assembly and assembly of entities will be dissolved and new elections to these bodies will be called, since in March they approved all amendments to the Constitution and another Federal Law 33 adoption of amendments will be carried forward to next year. And next year, amendments will have to be adopted slowly and with new composition of meetings of all levels. Although these are my assumptions, but everything can be ...
      1. AK1972
        AK1972 25 June 2020 16: 47
        +4
        Quote: parusnik
        This is such a trick. If 50% of the population vote against

        Still believe in fairy tales? Do you really think that the CEC will allow such a result. Read the steelworker post above.
        Pamfilova, however, clearly said that 62% would vote “For”, and the turnout would be at least 70%. Her word is iron.
    2. Region68
      Region68 25 June 2020 17: 15
      +6
      This is not a whim, this is a gloss over of the whole people in their dark affairs
    3. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 17: 36
      -7
      Quote: steel maker
      And Pafilova has already stated that the opinion of citizens on the amendments is not interesting, they have already accepted everything. This vote is a blessing for Putin and is worthy of respect. After that, one must not respect oneself in order to participate in this "circus"!

      Liar! Panfilova talked about the LEGITIMITY OF THE AMENDMENT PROCEDURE by holding a package of them through the Duma, the Federation Council, followed by a vote! And that by successfully passing through ALL three stages, the package of amendments will be introduced into the Constitution!
    4. Simargl
      Simargl 25 June 2020 19: 32
      +1
      Quote: steel maker
      This vote is simply a blessing of Putin and it is worthy of respect.
      This is not a whim, but a means of legitimization.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 June 2020 14: 21
    0
    Why are they so excited? Information just flows, they forget about the epidemic, and about "BLM" ...
    How they are contorted by Putin ... How the devils at the sight of a bowl of holy water wassat
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 25 June 2020 14: 57
      +4
      Who told you that he is wrong? Here's an example:
      regional newspaper Volksstimme believes that the continuation of Putin's "autocracy" after 2024 "is not bad news for the West, as it means, provided the tsar is in good health, many more years of relative stability in Russia".
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 25 June 2020 15: 42
        -3
        Quote: KERMET
        Who told you that he is wrong? Here's an example:

        This is a happy exception in the general choir ...
        1. The comment was deleted.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 25 June 2020 15: 47
        +8
        In the West, they fear like fire the coming to power of "nationalists". In our opinion, patriots. And what about Putin? He is a liberal, predictable and almost "his own" for many in the West. Stability for them is stagnation in the country.
      3. mirexes
        mirexes 25 June 2020 16: 10
        0
        in Germany, too, see the autocracy and most importantly not bad it all works
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 25 June 2020 16: 17
          +4
          In Germany, the president "presides" and does not rule. The chancellor is approved by the parliamentary majority, the chancellor is approved by the government.
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 17: 37
      -4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      How they are contorted by Putin ... How the devils at the sight of a bowl of holy water

      So, Vladimir Vladimirovich is doing the right thing! And you need to support him!
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 25 June 2020 14: 21
    +4
    If you don’t look for crossroads, then in one case - a color revolution, in the other - after death an outsider will come. And the main minus, when you become incompetent or worse capable .... other people will lead, hide behind you. And then they will choose a successor.
    There must be a system. As well as consistency in the fact that the expresident would also be busy with useful work and no one would threaten his freedom.
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 25 June 2020 15: 00
      -5
      Quote: Zaurbek
      There must be a system. As well as consistency in the fact that the expresident would also be busy with useful work and no one would threaten his freedom.

      Amendments to the Constitution are just a test of the forces of the current government to move from the principles of the wild capitalism of the Yeltsin era to a more socially just structure of the country. The oligarchs and the liberals fed by them understand this, and this is howling.
      But systematic democracy with the dominance of commercial and state media, irresponsible election lies cannot be in principle. Now every housewife can consider herself a professional politician after daily shows on TV.
      In Soviet times, there was a clear ideology and on its basis there was a whole system of patriotic education. Now the ideology of the "long ruble" - whoever has more rights. What kind of patriotism can there be? One hypocrisy. With such a change in values, even a polygraph will not help.
      Therefore, changes need not be made to the Russian Constitution, but to the Soviet!
      The 1977 Constitution of the USSR enshrined the System of Supreme State Bodies, a planned economy, and public ownership of the means of production.
      It proclaimed the equal rights of citizens, the rights, freedoms and duties of citizens, the social homogeneity of society, the right to work, etc.

      1. Region68
        Region68 25 June 2020 16: 04
        +2
        What are you talking about, gospodi.
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 25 June 2020 16: 20
        +6
        And what amendments should be made to the Soviet Constitution? First of all, it was liquidated by the bourgeoisie, which completed the counter-revolutionary coup. With what, not ours, it was not in the USSR (big greetings to the office workers and warriors who changed the Oath), how can one correct what is not there. And what's the point of correcting it, if it worked perfectly for the benefit of society and the individual, is it second?
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 25 June 2020 16: 22
          +2
          Yes, any can and should be amended ..... time goes on, society is changing.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 25 June 2020 16: 30
            +4
            Changing anything in the Soviet Constitution, while maintaining the power of the working people, makes no sense whatsoever. It spells out the basic principles of building a society. Current changes, within the framework of the BASIC, are adjusted by the laws in the Codes.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 25 June 2020 16: 34
              +2
              And if, how in China to allow private property .....? In fact, the Stalinist constitution was the most democratic; I didn’t read it, but they told it that way.
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 25 June 2020 16: 45
                +3
                If allowed, this is capitalism. Neither in China, nor in Viet Nam does it smell like socialism, even though the authorities and the communists. And it’s hard for them, real. I had to communicate with one of them
                In fact, the revisionists won, retaining signs. East is a delicate matter.
                The Soviet Union, its social structure, social policy, a phenomenon in the history of the last humanity, is unique. Not saved, sorry
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 25 June 2020 17: 07
                  -3
                  Socialism, unfortunately, in that form was not viable. And if the Internet and modern communications were in the 80s, it would collapse even faster.
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 25 June 2020 18: 01
                    +5
                    And where does the scientific and technological achievements? They would help to maintain and strengthen the system. It is much easier to isolate foreign elements. Will needs political and conviction. Support for the working people.
                    Putin, in fact, is stepping on the same rake as the decrepit Politburo. There were enough devoted young communists in the USSR to revive Stalin's Socialism. What was needed was a leader with a clear understanding of the task and the ability to lead firmly and consistently. And the same team was needed. The grandfathers were mothballed, dragged to the podium a half-dead, not capable of making decisions, even speaking clearly, the once tough and consistent (Czechoslovakia and Hungary) real communist L.I. Brezhnev. So, the whole world was laughing, and the first were Soviet citizens. As a result, the reincarnated person dragged the recruited Misha into the Politburo and "the process began." Half of the party was made up of careerists, and how could it be otherwise if they did not thin out and weed out. Those who understood tried to object, but the coup from above is very difficult to stop. The administrative resource of the humpback was more abrupt than that of the current one. Today they can be profiled, then nothing. It was fraught. Not even consonants performed
                    And gradually, eliminating the resistance, the traitor dragged degenerates to all the leading positions.
                    Civil in the 20s of the last century did not end, it always went on cold. The essence of a human being, rowing to oneself, getting rid of hard and tirelessly is the only way to maintain a society of equal opportunities.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 25 June 2020 18: 16
                      0
                      People would climb on the Internet and the artificial restriction in information would disappear.
                      1. Essex62
                        Essex62 25 June 2020 18: 55
                        +4
                        Not people, but people. For me, a working person, any boss was just a boss. As part of labor discipline. And I did not depend on anyone, the state established the social program, no bureaucrats could not cancel and could not deprive work. But I had enough tools to squeeze it. What I used.
                        And what would the people get the information, would ..
                        And what, they behaved themselves, in general, decently, before the arrival of the degenerates. Soldering, yes Volga personal? There was nothing to hide. Even better, they would move, with such an awareness of the population. The problem is that many young people consider the time of the traitor in the Secretary General’s chair to be also socialism. No, he was already folding and a creeping counterrevolutionary coup was going on.
                  2. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 21: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    And if the Internet and modern communications were in the 80s, it would collapse even faster.

                    If you turn off the Internet now, people will trample on the streets.
                    1. St Petrov
                      St Petrov 25 June 2020 23: 13
                      -1
                      If you turn off the Internet now, people will trample on the streets.


                      does the internet hold you? what a unique warrior you are with the Kremlin. Simply the best

                      Do you feel what you have written? Or are you already in your maniamir with a pitchfork going to revolution after turning off the Internet?

                      Real elves
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 01: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: s-t Petrov
                        does the internet hold you? what a unique warrior you are with the Kremlin. Simply the best

                        Student Petrov, are you a Social Revolutionary?
    2. 210ox
      210ox 25 June 2020 15: 14
      -4
      I believe that the state should have a vice president. It should at least somehow move this system and make it move. Only not like a copy of DAM.
      1. alone
        alone 25 June 2020 15: 31
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        Only not like a copy of DAM.

        And there everything else seems to be like DAM ... Maybe even worse ..
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 25 June 2020 16: 00
        -2
        Just not like a copy of DAM
        ... So there won’t be any other. There was already one such, the impeachment initiated ... That the tanks had to reassure .. laughing
      3. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 17: 39
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        I believe that the state should have a vice president. It should at least somehow move this system and make it move.

        Reread, on occasion, "On the dual power" by V. I. Ulyanov (Lenin).
    3. parusnik
      parusnik 25 June 2020 15: 57
      +1
      If you don’t look for crossings
      ... Correctly systematic. Monarchy, the best of systems. laughing
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 25 June 2020 16: 38
        +1
        You are sarcastic, but perceive your words as a position. I've also slammed the minus right away, removed it by sorting it out. Write something, that sarcasm
        And then hang negatives
        Avatar is a bad help in this matter.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 14: 22
    +2
    What the hell is he driving?
  • The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 25 June 2020 14: 26
    +7
    I have no illusions about the upcoming action, BUT this is our "vegetable garden" and it’s not worth climbing here, from the side.
    Let's figure it out ourselves
  • parusnik
    parusnik 25 June 2020 14: 28
    +4
    A familiar interview, something similar on TV was said in 1993 when the new Constitution was adopted ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 25 June 2020 14: 30
    +2
    Foreign media outlets

    Most can be advised to GO BACK and not flash, never.
    We'll figure it out on our own ... all the more, they now have a lot, a lot, "more fun", let them walk there as much as they like!
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 25 June 2020 14: 58
      +4
      Do you like to discuss the situation with them? Why are you denying them the right to do the same?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 June 2020 15: 15
        +1
        EVERYTHING IS LIKE. they are from there, we are from here .... interchange of "pleasantries".
      2. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 17: 43
        -1
        Quote: KERMET
        Do you like to discuss the situation with them? Why are you denying them the right to do the same?

        Unlike "them", discussing the situation "with them", we do not climb on "their" sites, and we do not impose our opinion on "them"!
        1. KERMET
          KERMET 25 June 2020 17: 46
          0
          Those. declaring that "we do not climb on their sites" go there yourself? And someone, after all, may well teach life. Or do you have broad powers to broadcast on behalf of everyone?
          And if you also decide to think over the article under discussion thoughtfully, you will understand that they write their opinion in their press and not at all for us. This is where we discuss them.
  • AVA77
    AVA77 25 June 2020 14: 30
    12
    For that, vote against, who is for, those for. Who does not need nafik, do not participate, What is the problem?
    1. Threaded screw
      Threaded screw 25 June 2020 15: 31
      -3
      Against vote against
      Who does not need nafik, do not participate
      Not everyone has the opportunity
    2. mirexes
      mirexes 25 June 2020 16: 12
      -1
      so worried are those who fly with power and those who are not happy that after the adoption of these amendments it will be impossible to punish Russia, for example, in a European court
    3. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 17: 45
      -1
      Quote: AVA77
      For that, vote against, who is for, those for. Who does not need nafik, do not participate, What is the problem?

      The problem is that those who are "against" feel that they have already lost, and they DON'T LIKE it!
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 25 June 2020 14: 34
    +7
    Ave, princeps
    That model of power in the Roman Empire is called the principate. The ruler ruled for life (until he died or died at the hands of the conspirators), ideally appointing himself a successor at the end of the reign. At that time, all the signs of the republic were outwardly preserved, and the monarch was considered a princeps - the first among equals. That is, formally held elections and popular assemblies, comitia, many officials were elected, the Senate worked. And the princeps emperor was considered the head of the senate, a lifelong tribune of the people and commander of the fleet army. It was believed that the republic continued to exist, but all politics and elections with the results “as needed” were controlled by the expanding apparatus of the personal office of the princeps monarch. A certain analogue of the AP of the Russian Federation on Old Square.
  • Poetry
    Poetry 25 June 2020 14: 47
    +3
    All the piglets and who are not lazy poke their unclean snout towards us. In fact, they have a particular mess at home. No, this is not a crooked mirror, it distorted your face! O'revoir. Auf feederzeen.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 25 June 2020 14: 53
    +7
    Let me remind you of the recent vote, namely the election of Putin. Then there were also many articles in which the West scolded Putin. Some especially sad people decided to scold them with their minds, which means he is doing everything right. Only this chip, when the West allegedly scolds appeared more than once or twice ...
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 25 June 2020 15: 01
      +4
      In the same way, you can pull the messages of foreign media outlets where Putin is praised, the usual informational technique is how small children are carried on ....
      1. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 17: 49
        -2
        Quote: KERMET
        In the same way, you can pull the messages of foreign media outlets where Putin is praised, the usual informational technique is how small children are carried on ....

        You see, what's the matter, in the information age, given, I would say, the absolute availability of information, even YOU will not be able to "pull" messages for me! Do not even try, God forbid, burst from the strain, then you will smell bad! lol
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 25 June 2020 15: 01
      -3
      Everything is right - the west is to our comrade. And if they cheat something, then we are moving in the right direction.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 25 June 2020 16: 05
        +3
        Of course, comrade, friend, comrade and brother, where are we without their investments .... About whom the president is so worried ... Forgot who feeds and drinks us? "Pepsi-Cola, for example!" (C)
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 21: 30
          0
          Quote: parusnik
          "Pepsi Cola, for example!"

          22 million square kilometers, without a single Coca-Cola ad.
    3. mirexes
      mirexes 25 June 2020 16: 14
      -1
      this is not a chip this is reality, remember the 90s, they only praised us, but for some reason, in the 90s, 2 million starved with us or did you forget that already?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 June 2020 16: 29
        +2
        in the 90s
        I already wrote in my small Motherland the population in 2000 was 22 thousand, and in 2018 16 thousand. How is that? And the new cemetery in 20 years filled up faster than the old city in the previous 400.
        And stop telling tales about the 90s. For. so that the conditional "Putin" could rule, the specific Yeltsin was preparing the ground. For what specific Putin instructed Yeltsin monuments?
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. The comment was deleted.
            1. The comment was deleted.
            2. mirexes
              mirexes 26 June 2020 09: 27
              0
              I am judging by my income about Putin’s work, for 1999-2003 I earned a total of only 40000 working like a horse, right up to the sawmill. 2003-2012 I earned a million, for 2012-2020 I earned 20 million. Moreover, all this is in the center of Siberia in the Altai Republic, I see nothing wrong with allowing Putin to allow him to indulge without restrictions, and when he dies he will be cloned and again as president
          2. Skarpzd
            Skarpzd 26 June 2020 03: 24
            +1
            hmm ... but I remember how I rushed about in search of earnings to feed my family ... since at work I was delayed for six months. So what?
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 25 June 2020 16: 52
        -4
        Well, I remember "friend Borys" How they patted him condescendingly on the shoulder. Dithyrambs sang to him and his course. Why not applaud a weak, crumbling country? Many have a short memory, oh short. And now they bark. So we are doing everything right.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 25 June 2020 18: 36
          +1
          Well, I remember "friend Borys
          And Putin remembers. puts monuments. The government money contains a blue center. For some reason, the Mausoleum interferes with him, and the center, in honor of the destroyer of the state, is kept. And a lot of Yeltsin under Putin now.
      3. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 17: 51
        0
        Quote: mirexes
        in the 90s, 2 million starved with us, or have you forgotten this already?

        "they" have not forgotten IT, and really want to REPEAT!
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 25 June 2020 14: 55
    10
    It makes no sense to talk about amendments in the plural. Only one amendment is introduced and voted - on Putin’s lifelong rule. Everything else is noise cover.
    1. mirexes
      mirexes 25 June 2020 16: 15
      -3
      Only a laborer in the West can reason like this, go to your masters and download your dumb rights there
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 17: 55
      -3
      Quote: syndicalist
      Only one amendment is introduced and voted - on Putin’s lifelong rule. Everything else is noise cover.

      even if it were so, all the same I wouldn’t just go, would fly to the ends of the world to vote FOR! Russia is UNKNOWNLY lucky that such a Patriot is in power. If necessary - and re-select it 40 times, he would have the strength and desire!
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 25 June 2020 18: 12
        -1
        You can take your time. The results have long been counted. Including your voice. The procedure is purely ritual in nature.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 25 June 2020 14: 59
    +4
    Voting without voting rights.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 25 June 2020 15: 04
    +5
    When my son was 5 years old. The whole family returned home in the evening. He made a children's scandal with a roar all over the street. The woman from the 3rd floor made us a remark that it was enough to mock the child. The son stopped roaring, made a pause and turned to the woman: What you climb with your advice, this is our family and here we ourselves will figure out what to do! A woman with a meteor, shouting: What parents, such a child! I left the balcony. I mean what. I absolutely "violet" what the Western media write about us. In our "family" we will figure it out ourselves !!!
  • Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 25 June 2020 15: 37
    +3
    And not surprisingly, this vote is complete insanity and clowning ... Everything has already been approved and accepted, even printed. And if it weren’t, they either offer cutlets with flies, or nothing. You cannot separate one from the other!
    Vote, don’t vote - you’ll get anyway ... and so on.
    1. mirexes
      mirexes 25 June 2020 16: 16
      -4
      it’s immediately clear that you are not very friendly with your head, you can’t even manage your life under the force of your life
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 17: 56
      -3
      Quote: Archivist Vasya
      Vote, don’t vote - you’ll get anyway ... and so on.

      Well, so - especially since you have to worry - sit in a corner, keep quiet in a rag!
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 25 June 2020 18: 22
        0
        The fact that this event is useless, in the current conditions, verified by previous similar ones. A society built according to the law of the jungle cannot have a real choice, because it is divided by property.
        And voting in a package, once again I repeat the false, for everything is decided and approved by the bourgeois instruments of power, will lead to boring consequences for many. Zeroing doesn’t bother me at all. It was already clear that it would not go away under any circumstances, it annoys me that things are being dragged into the Constitution by things that make me a criminal at once. I'm talking about God and the church.
  • Chever
    Chever 25 June 2020 15: 39
    +2
    Yes, it’s kind of like the constitutional amendments are being sold with amendments, which, as it were, hints to us
  • Yurahip
    Yurahip 25 June 2020 15: 41
    +3
    Approved! We agree with everything! Flies + cutlets in one beluteni. Tasty!!
  • Dmitry Donskoy_2
    Dmitry Donskoy_2 25 June 2020 16: 00
    0
    We are server Korea or Syria
    1. mirexes
      mirexes 25 June 2020 16: 17
      0
      so write on their forums, not ours
  • old man
    old man 25 June 2020 16: 13
    +2
    It flew into a click, everything is not so and not that way. GDP is not to be liked, the West is "always right", everyone is fooled, etc., etc. And how do you ask this "what are you offering" one verbal diarrhea (they themselves do not know what they need). Holy fools what to say about them. So that the Westerners do not shout, and the constitution will be ours, such as we (the Russians) need. And let the GDP be elected, the people will make their own choice.
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 25 June 2020 17: 59
      -2
      Quote: old man
      It flew into a click, everything is not so and not that way. GDP is not to be liked, the West is "always right", everyone is fooled, etc., etc. And how do you ask such "what do you offer" one verbal diarrhea

      "they" simply CANNOT be silent! "For thirty rubles they were engaged ..." (c) movie "Funny guys"
  • Tagan
    Tagan 25 June 2020 16: 34
    +3
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: s-t Petrov
    that on deutchewell I go in the comment, that on the echo of Moscow, that in the comments to Alesha Navalny

    But I neither read the echo, nor listen, nor bulk. That's interesting. Who is the real ehichny navalnenok with pro-German views. lol
    Quote: s-t Petrov
    Our emo communists

    By the way. Sincere hatred of communism, socialism and all their manifestations, as if a clear sign of a true, double, liberal. Yeah. yes

    There is a need for clarification. Hatred can be not only communism, but also the communists of a new spill. And this is somewhat different.
  • Gaubvaxta
    Gaubvaxta 25 June 2020 16: 56
    -1
    The more howling and hysterics on the Internet against the amendments, the more I come to the conclusion that it is necessary to vote only "FOR" ...
    The drunken Yeltsin constitution means that the Libers are satisfied, which was written under the dictation of the godep ... It may recall how everything was "gentlemen, everything was lost" ...
    Voyte do not howl, and the amendments will be accepted .. The people will no longer be fooled by your "freedom of speech and other liberal tricks" We've seen enough of the Western crap of double standards .. So take care of your throats after July 1 ...)))) That will be a shout! !!!!!!
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 June 2020 17: 32
    +1
    And who cares about our amendments to the Constitution, I can’t imagine? These are our internal affairs of Russia.
  • Iris
    Iris 25 June 2020 19: 00
    +2
    Playing "thimble" is gradually becoming our national fun. It is clear that "Thimble" left the railway stations and clothing markets - he came to the polling stations long ago. And it is in vain that some find fault with the wording "Vote on approval", insisting on the phrase "change." No, that's right - on the issue of approval, because it's a thimble. Lossless lottery.
    The question is, why not just "zero" the term by decree? And all the same: if you remove the element of the game from the "Thimble", then it will not be a thimble at all, but a direct and open robbery. And so - the game. You are free to choose - you can point to any of the three glasses, right? Here and here it is the same - it is like "we ourselves" will approve "amendments" to the constitution.
    What is our life? - A game !
    1. Region68
      Region68 25 June 2020 21: 20
      0
      That's right, it is
  • Asian
    Asian 25 June 2020 19: 30
    +2
    Quote: c-Petrov
    that I go to the Deutsche in a comment, that to the echo of Moscow, that in the comments to Alyosha Navalny - that here.

    How did it happen - that the opinion of the "thinking and light-faced of this forum" (under the red color) - coincided with the opinion of the editors of Radio Liberty and Deutschevyelle with the rest?

    By old habit? In a single rush, so to speak, with the wicked media offices.

    Well, given the fact that the West bought the Communists at one time or pumped up a miracle with propaganda, and so that they didn’t even defend the country, the reaction of the present commies of this site is not surprising.

    Our emo-communists of the site quite often synchronize the position with the Department of State. It happened by accident.

    There are all kinds of babies, sylvesters and squabbles stand, so to speak, on guard of the interests of the United States of America

    In the very top ten!
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 26 June 2020 23: 35
    +1
    Quote: AUL
    Quote: s-t Petrov
    because here I’m getting over the squabble and the company?

    Well, judging by the reaction of the members of the forum to your maxims, the majority here "burn out" over your pearls!

    And you, judging by the minuses, are not particularly in favor. Correctly Petrov speaks, too clearly the voices of the "local" fighters "for the bright cloudy" coincide with the voices heard from the State Department and their "grant-eating kept women" in the person of Rains, Medusa and Echo of Matza with bulk and apple trees. What do they care about Russia? Let them deal with their problems with migrants, excited by blacks destroying monuments, pandemics, etc. Damn, and the opinion of the Indians here was not enough, whose corpses in the Ganges float, and a third of the population lives in the slums. We will figure out what we need ourselves.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 27 June 2020 00: 42
        +1
        Quote: Malyuta
        I am very sorry, but who gave you the right to divide the citizens of one country into "vashchik" and others? Who are you? Who gave you this right?
        Yes, to the full, apologize to you, if you entered into a dialogue, but immediately, like Budenovets, with a sword at the ready. The right to express my opinion different from the opinion of others is given to me by the rules of the site, and if it is "excellent", then as you understand, this circumstance immediately divides citizens, namely members of the forum, into two categories, with one of which I agree and disagree with other. What is the contradiction here?
        Quote: Malyuta
        You lodge hatred in people and believe you, it’s very sluggish
        Well, you're in vain. Where did you find that I somehow call on, or induce some part of society to act that discriminates or humiliates another part of society? Everything is exactly and in this case the position of St. Petrov is closer to me than the position of those who consciously, or through thoughtlessness, play on the side of the enemy. You are one of them, but this does not mean that if I blew in your direction, I will surely find a storm, since the meaning of the biblical commandment you cited is somewhat different, as well as the meaning - "Do not make yourself an idol." hi
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 27 June 2020 00: 18
      -2
      [[quote] quote = Nyrobsk hi th] [quote = AUL] [quote = c. Petrov] because I’m here to get over the bummer and the company? [/ quote]
      Well, judging by the reaction of the members of the forum to your maxims, the majority here "burn out" over your pearls! [/ Quote]
      And you, judging by the minuses, are not particularly in favor. Correctly Petrov speaks, too clearly the voices of the "local" fighters "for the bright cloudy" coincide with the voices heard from the State Department and their "grant-eating kept women" in the person of Rains, Medusa and Echo Matza with bulk and Yabloko. What do they care about Russia? Let them deal with their problems with migrants, excited by blacks destroying monuments, pandemics, etc. Damn, and the opinion of the Indians was not enough here, whose corpses in the Ganges float, and a third of the population lives in slums. We will figure out what we need. [/ Quote] [/ quote]
      --------
      I am very sorry hi, but who gave you the right to divide the citizens of one country into "vashchu" and others?
      Who are you? Who gave you that right?
      You settle hatred in people and believe you, it comes back very hi hi
      From the bible. In the Old Testament (Hosea, chap. 8, v. 7) it is said: “Since they sowed the wind, they will reap the storm ...”
  • Alexander F.
    Alexander F. 27 June 2020 03: 49
    0
    I will vote, and therefore, so as not to get worse.
    Returning to the vote on constitutional amendments !!!
    think it over.
    • Try to find a pattern.
    • Western attitude to our leaders
    • Hateful Lenin, Stalin, and then Putin follows them!
    • And the wonderful Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the opposition !!!!

    Once upon a time in 80, many were fascinated by America, and dreamed, here we will overthrow the hated regime and live wonderful as in the USA.
    And?
    As a result, the country of the USSR ceased to exist!

    And in 93, most of the population in one night became poor, and later became simply poor! And then the war, terrorist attacks, etc., etc.
    And the small miserable part, at the same time “suddenly” and “unexpectedly” became dollar millionaires billionaires!

    And now what is offered to us by the "enlightened west". through the bought and duped!
    Here we will overthrow the hated Putin.
    And?
    .............................................

    Of course, we live far from wonderful, and I myself have a lot of questions for the authorities.
    But with all this, I do not want a repetition of turmoil and house. And so I will not vote for any personalities out there and everything connected with them.

    And that's why! I will vote, and therefore, so as not to get worse.

    Of course, some will scream!
    And why do we live worse than the "enlightened west."
    I answer. Just because we live worse, and not just us.

    If we won the second world war. That "enlightened west" won in it by imposing on us its rules of international trade.

    Simple and not intricate, changed the very definition of what money is
    • money is what they print, and only they have the right to print it. And everyone who wants to trade is forced to buy them, and whoever “gets too busy” will simply block “oxygen”.
    • Well, national currencies, in this “situation”, have a status of nothing more than coupons and can only be used in internal circulation!
    That's all their achievement and the success associated with it!

    Also, these "figures" well remember the consequences of a direct military clash with Russia.
    And they made one conclusion from this that only the population of Russia can defeat and destroy Russia, and the Communist Party also !!!
    And do not forget Thatcher’s statement - Russia does not have the right to the wealth it possesses!
    “Killing more Russians is America’s dream. Remember this
    So the second world war is far from over, only the field and means have changed!
    And the whole bark of the "enlightened west" on Putin means
    - that the right way, comrade!
    1. kutuz
      kutuz 27 June 2020 08: 02
      0
      "" Only because we live worse, and not only we "- this is the key phrase. A person is ready to live in shit because he is not the only one.
  • kutuz
    kutuz 27 June 2020 07: 53
    0
    "if the Russians do not approve of the proposed amendments" - everything has already been decided and signed, 86% have "voted" for the amendments, well, maybe 84%, so do not strain yourself into a pose and have fun.