“This is not Ukrainian land”: the Turkish party is ready to recognize Crimea as Russian

The Turkish political party Vatan proposed recognizing Crimea as part of the Russian Federation. The party leadership came up with this idea in the framework of the Black Sea-Mediterranean friendship and peace plan developed by the party.

Crimea should be recognized as part of the Russian Federation to improve relations between Russia and Turkey, according to the Vatan party. In addition, an analyst at the Sahipkiran Center for Strategic Studies, speaking at a meeting at the party, Kursad Ornek said that Crimea was never Ukrainian land, and during six years of study on the peninsula, he never met a person who spoke Ukrainian.

Vatan also notes the improvement of the Crimean Tatars precisely after the peninsula became part of Russia. At the same time, the Crimean Tatars did not just better live economically, they also received the rights of the remaining Turkic peoples of the Russian Federation, which were deprived during the 23-year-old stories Ukrainian Crimea.

The recognition of Crimea as Russian in the Vatan party is seen as one of the components of the formation of the Eurasian axis. Turkish politicians also offer to recognize the sovereignty of Abkhazia and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, the territorial integrity of Syria and Azerbaijan.

Recall that the Vatan party (the Motherland party) is a left-wing nationalist political organization uniting left-wing Kemalists and socialist statesmen. Its chairman Dogu Perincek, who in his youth was the leader of one of the Maoist organizations in Turkey, has always been distinguished by a combination of very conflicting views - sympathy for the USSR and Russia and Turkish nationalism. Russia and Turkey, in the opinion of Perinchek and his associates, should be united by a confrontation with American imperialism and the destructive influence of the West in the Eurasian space.

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[St Petrov]

I agree with the Turk. stop fighting. Trading neighbors is always better than fighting. We will trade - we will be richer and stronger, but the war weakens it

[Vend]

Ready to admit does not mean admit. Again try to play the card of Crimea.

[Shurik70]

The Vatan party is not one of the nine major parties in Turkey.
So they can say anything. This will not change anything for Turkish politics. And the party members themselves, including the leader and his relatives, have already been planted repeatedly, for years. There will be a real threat to him from Erdogan - they will put him back again.
https://rodina.ru/novosti/Vladimir-Laktyushin-Partiya-Vatan-portret-tureckoj-oppozicii

[Region68]

One name is worth what. Vatan .. Just remember - Vata, Vatniki ..
More like trolling

[Shurik70]

Quote: Region68

One name is worth what. Vatan .. Just remember - Vata, Vatniki ..
More like trolling

The name translates as "Homeland"

[Tatyana]

Russia and Turkey, in the opinion of Perinchek and his associates, should be united by a confrontation with American imperialism and the destructive influence of the West in the Eurasian space.

This is a very correct thought!

For the task of modern global bankers for their national national dominance at the present time is precisely the weakening and destruction of national states, as such. Turning their national sovereignty into just sovereign formalities: a flag, a coat of arms, a national anthem, and the rest, the police and the army, are all private.
Incidentally, including the United States as a single national state.

[St Petrov]

USA as a single nation state.

A nation state is created by centralizing the lands where one nation lives. So this does not apply to the United States. Here is Poland, yes. Nation state

[tihonmarine]

Quote: s-t Petrov

A nation state is created by centralizing the lands where one nation lives. So this does not apply to the United States. Here is Poland, yes. Nation state

Surprisingly, for so many years the Poles have remained a nation-state with their own language, culture and religion.

[St Petrov]

they regularly clean their nation. all Jews are defeated, the rest looking at it - they say that yes, they are also Poles - if you want to live, know how to spin. Now 98% of Poles live in Poland - in the place of 2% I would already start digging a cache

+ staples. The guys respect this with respect. This Russian Vanya can joke about his church, but the Jews about the synagogue and the Poles about their own - they will not joke. This is bad manners

[Tatyana]

Quote: c-Petrov

USA as a single nation state.

A nation state is created by centralizing the lands where one nation lives. So this does not apply to the United States.

Firstly. I note to you that the United States is not just a FEDERAL state, with its capital in Washington, but is still a MULTI-national state with the inherent attributes (inherent properties) of a nation-state.

And secondly. We have the following. Namely.
The current “AFROAMERICAN SPRING” - with the vandalistic demolition of historical monuments to political figures in the USA - this is just a MANAGED process by the forces of the so-called “Deep state” (interests of the US Federal Reserve), which is essentially globalistic - that is, NATIONAL.

In this case, on the one hand, The Deep State seeks to remove Trump from the US presidency. Sound what? For his policy of returning national American industries from third countries back to the United States in order to solve acute domestic political socio-economic problems by Trump, such as unemployment, medical care, education, etc. And this is something that categorically runs counter to the interests of globalist American corporations and the financial interests of the US Federal Reserve bankers.

And on the other hand, The "deep state" (bankers-financiers of the US Federal Reserve) is left for the complete privatization of the United States as a national sovereign state, i.e. to turn the USA into its full PRIVATE property - liquidate the STATE POLICE, replacing it with PRIVATE POLICE. And the "African American Spring" just contributes to this.
The governors on the ground, instead of putting the police in order themselves, simply "sabotage" Trump's order and do nothing against the riots themselves. Because of this, the population self-organizes into self-protecting private squads - the embryonic analogue of the PRIVATE police.

[babylon]

In Poland there are no churches there, churches,
and the presence of churches does not mean the spirituality and righteousness of the people, and unfortunately in the Former Socialist Countries, today religion has become fashionable, and there are, unfortunately, true believers

[St Petrov]

The cathedral is also called the church, as it is a common name for any Christian liturgical structure.

today religion has become fashionable

unfortunately there is no device yet that determines who the believer is here and who is not. Well, the person who undertook this should have the right to condemnation and decision, at least moral

[Tank hard]

Quote: s-t Petrov

The cathedral is also called the church, as it is a common name for any Christian liturgical structure

The church is a gathering of all Christians in the world. You and

babylon (Vavilon)

confuse the temples and the community of Christians.

[Tank hard]

Quote: s-t Petrov

A nation state is created by centralizing the lands where one nation lives. So this does not apply to the United States. Here is Poland, yes. Nation state

Poland is a mono-ethnic state. But the USA and the Russian Federation do not belong to these (here you are right) and it is incorrect to compare them (for example, with Poland).

[rocket757]

Recall that the party of Vatan (the party of the Motherland) is

The main thing is what part of Turkish society it represents.
Can there representation not limited to many activists, on the content ... if on the content of supporters within the country, it can be interesting. Must see!

[The leader of the Redskins]

Forgot to recall that the number of party members is 22600 people.
This is not even the Mensheviks ... This is a circle of interests ...

[rocket757]

In order to expand, supporters must be gathered .... and then strictly according to the textbook, a classic case. Although, it is possible in another way ... to look for outsiders from outside.

[Oquzyurd]

Dogu Perincek, he is also a historian, just like his son Mehmet Perincek. His son for 2 years in Moscow rummaged through the archives about the events of 1915, then published on the basis of these documents a book of 100 documents from the archive, proving the fabrication of the Armenian accusations about "genocide ".
And his father, Perinchek, was generally imprisoned in Switzerland, on charges of denying “genocide.” But he proved the opposite, the court released him on the basis of not proving the same “genocide.” Armenians usually avoid trials on account of 1915, realizing that that a lot of things will be revealed. This is one of the rare episodes that they were put in an uncomfortable position on these charges. The merit of Dogu Perinceke to the homeland in this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycf9POkqK88 Эпизод того знаменитого суда.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: rocket757

The main thing is what part of Turkish society it represents.

so what?!? who can the Vatan party represent? Of course, quilted jackets ... Turkish ... on this and support the recognition of the Crimea! it is strange that Ukrainians have not yet informed everyone about this strange coincidence

[1536]

Why are the Greeks silent? After all, we know from historical sources that it was legally a Greek land. And it was called Taurida, and initially the Taurus lived there, which then mixed with the Scythians, as evidenced by both ancient Greek and Roman historians. This is how the Japanese, calling the Kuril Islands their own, are cunning, because they were not even close there initially, so the Turks suffer phantom pains over the issue of the Crimea peninsula, which in the XNUMXth century forever became part of Russia. Here, as they say: "However, Pyotr Sergeevich, the party!"

[Pereira]

Historical sources - yes. As for legal - not sure.
To begin with, let the Greek policies understand between themselves which of them Crimea belonged to legally, then documents will be provided. Merchants there, vassal certificates, acts of surrender of the Tauri, agreements on the demarcation of borders with the Scythians.
And we will see.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pereira

And we will see.

Why watch, Crimea is part of Russia and that’s it.

[Pereira]

So it’s interesting, what will they show?
In 1945, Stalin presented Churchill with vassal letters written by the Livonian barons to Ivan the Terrible in the 16th century. After that, the issue of Baltic affiliation was closed.

[Doctor]

Why are the Greeks silent?

There will be no sense from their cries, and half of the million tourists a year will be lost.

[Poetry]

How many percent of the population of Turkey support this very party? Maybe zero point ten decimal places.

[The leader of the Redskins]

22 600 members!
This is not Khuhra Muhra! This is ... A typical Turkish wedding ...

[Poetry]

It seems to me that these are some kind of underground.

[raki-uzo]

In different elections:
In 2019, this party received 0.23% of the vote. 117.770 voted for them
In 2018, the party received 0.23% of the vote. 117.713 voted for them
In 2016, the party received 0.34% of the vote. 161.626 voted for them

[Poetry]

I guessed the first number. In short, the Turkish "apple".

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Turkish Political Party Vatan

An entertaining name.

[Oquzyurd]

"Vatan" means "Motherland" in Turkish

[faterdom]

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

Turkish Political Party Vatan

An entertaining name.

Yeah, quilted jackets in Turkish fashion. Colorado for hail.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

I mean, it is very symbolic and ironic that a party with this name advocates recognition of the Russian Crimea.
For some, for some reason it’s direct to-to-combo!

[Tatyana Sementsova]

Here’s how ..... Well, let's see how it will be next ...... And so the correct Veschi verbs TOVARISCH !!!!!!

[Virus-free crown]

They will minify me - but I will say anyway ("The tiger in the cage is not given meat")))

What #krymnash by definition - I am completely for !!!

And here is how we "squeezed" it - here I am categorically against !!!

It was possible to do it "according to the mind" in 2014 ... and so ... we have what we have ...

[St Petrov]

It was possible to do it "according to the mind" in 2014 ... and so ... we have what we have ...

tell

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: c-Petrov

It was possible to do it "according to the mind" in 2014 ... and so ... we have what we have ...

tell

both the LPR and the DPR had to be admitted to Russia, and a part of Moldova, and everyone who wants to unite with us ... as they say, "7 troubles is one answer !!!" Since they "banged their fists on the table" - so it is necessary to "keep the brand" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[St Petrov]

we hit it for the first time in 2008, since then more than 500 aircraft and tanks have probably appeared in the army even more. Every year - adding silushki. What Russia can afford now-it could not afford 10 years ago.

If you haven’t done what you want, then you’ve done according to your capabilities

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: c-Petrov

we hit it for the first time in 2008, since then more than 500 aircraft and tanks have probably appeared in the army even more. Every year - adding silushki. What Russia can afford now-it could not afford 10 years ago.

If you haven’t done what you want, then you’ve done according to your capabilities

08.08.08 - was the first time - here I agree with you ...
And what then "the breath died" ?! Saying "a" - say "b"

[Kerensky]

and everyone who wants to unite with us

Do you want to? Were there referenda on this issue, plenipotentiary delegations?

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Kerensky

and everyone who wants to unite with us

Do you want to? Were there referenda on this issue, plenipotentiary delegations?

You yourself look in tyrnete, or I publicly "roll you into the asphalt" for such speeches ?!

[Kerensky]

I publicly "roll you into the asphalt" for such speeches ?!

Do not be shy. You can simply: date - the question of joining - turnout - the result.
PS
There are six people registered in my village.

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Kerensky

I publicly "roll you into the asphalt" for such speeches ?!

Do not be shy. You can simply: date - the question of joining - turnout - the result.

oki I'll smoke and start current immediately say - you yourself asked for asphalt

[Kerensky]

Welcome.
I repeat: There are six registered "voting rights" people in the village. I will collect four at once (there is a quorum). We will vote unanimously (using the right to self-determination) to join the Vatican.
Does a nation have the right to self-determination? Vyatichi, Bregovichi, Dryagovichi .... Well, we are r.v.o.l.ochi. Help create a use case?

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Kerensky

Welcome.
I repeat: There are six registered "voting rights" people in the village. I will collect four at once (there is a quorum). We will vote unanimously (using the right to self-determination) to join the Vatican.
Does a nation have the right to self-determination? Vyatichi, Bregovichi, Dryagovichi .... Well, we are r.v.o.l.ochi. Help create a use case?

As for the precedent - March 16, 2014 - quote - "The referendum was held contrary to Ukrainian legislation, which does not provide for the concept of a regional referendum and prescribes to resolve territorial issues only in an all-Ukrainian referendum, and with the support of Russian troops, which prevented the new Ukrainian authorities from exercising sovereignty over Crimea, and, together with the units of the Crimean self-defense, provided the very possibility of holding a referendum.
"
The result - it is the result - Crimea became part of the Russian Federation - even contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation

Quote about the LPR: "The referendum on self-determination of the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR), which was proclaimed on April 27, 2014, is a vote held on Sunday, May 11, 2014 in the part of the territory of the Luhansk region controlled by the self-proclaimed republic.

On May 18, 2014, a second referendum was planned on the future of the Republic [5], but after the referendum on May 12, representatives of the LPR declared sovereignty and expressed their desire to join Russia and unite with the People’s Republic of Donetsk in Novorossia.
"

Quote about the DPR: "The referendum on self-determination of the Donetsk People's Republic is a general vote held on May 11, 2014 by the authorities of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic on the territory of a number of districts and cities of the Donetsk region, after which on May 12, the DPR authorities announced their sovereignty and expressed their desire to join Russia , and also to unite with the Lugansk People's Republic in Novorossiya.
"

Quote about Transnistria: "On September 17, 2006, a referendum on independence was held in the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic.

Residents of the PMR had to answer two questions:

Do you support the policy of independence of the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic and the subsequent free accession of Pridnestrovie to the Russian Federation?
Do you consider it possible to renounce the independence of the Pridnestrovskaia Moldavskaia Respublika with the subsequent entry into the Republic of Moldova?
On the first question, 97,1% of Pridnestrovians were in favor, 2,3% were against. The second question was answered positively by 3,4% of the TMR citizens, negatively - by 94,6%. "

About 08.08.08 to tell you too ?!

[Kerensky]

Substitution of concepts.
Let's start at the end of your roll-in:

Do you support course on independence of the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic and subsequent free accession of Transnistria to the Russian Federation?

It seems to me alone that there are two questions?
Let's continue:

The referendum on self-determination of the Donetsk People's Republic

after which May 12 DNR authorities declared sovereignty and expressed a desire join Russia

And what issues were in the referendum?

The referendum on self-determination of the Luhansk People's Republic

representatives of the LPR declared sovereignty and expressed a desire join Russia

What issues were in the referendum?

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Kerensky

Substitution of concepts.
...

I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Yerema
I do not communicate with trolls, all the best for this life !!!

[Kerensky]

all the best for this life !!! love

And you don’t get sick. Well, it didn’t work out now, the people are scamming, it's okay, get ready and try again. The road will be overpowered by a walker.

[steelmaker]

Why a party, not a state? Putin with Erdogan as a small child, performs any kind of bliss. And gas, and nuclear power plants on credit for our money, and weapons, and tourists, and tomatoes! Could demand recognition. But what am I talking about? Putin Sberbank in the Crimea can not make work, but here Erdogan!

[St Petrov]

A nuclear plant on credit for our money, and weapons, and tourists, and tomatoes

Survived - Rossiyushka lends to another country for $ 20 billion. They will return more + Turkish energy, together with a nuclear power plant and a gas pipeline, will depend heavily on Russia. This is an energy lever. Tourists - they are not sent by the state - tourists vote with a wallet. Tomatoes by quota. Just like serious guys.

Putin Sberbank in the Crimea can not make work

America can close any bank in the world. therefore, Volodya turned on his head and did his best. There are shares and holders. There are generally limited maneuvers. One solution can break everything.

I used to take money in Kerch with a Sberbank card in Crimea. in the Bank of Russia in my opinion and no problems.

[Guards turn]

Sberbank Crimea. America. Gref chose America.

[St Petrov]

you can hit in childhood and simplify everything, yes. The forum will tolerate. No liability. It is possible to chop in theory in each topic with a sword, declare war, close bourgeois banks, dispossess, choose Grudinin. And all these possibilities are opened before you - the VO forum.

Soon, communism will be built here.

[Guards turn]

Personal sanctions are more important than Sber’s sanctions, gentlemen are very afraid of personal sanctions.

[St Petrov]

and sanctions on savings are not important to you? What kind of gentlemen are you broadcasting that you have not even heard of your existence

Ready to simulate what will happen if omerica disables sber? I'm not special on modeling. I don’t know how many millions of people are using the services of Sberbank, but 280 thousand people work there. Count this number of families - having income due to work in Sberbank.

Although for the forum I’m saying - there are hundreds of thousands of fates there - plus millions of forum users who suffered from theoretical willful decisions - just one left

And how many moans from all sorts of sad characters - when in the staff they optimize the staff for - 10 people. I think you would also lament the insidiousness of capital. Like, well, here we are. Russian is everything. Ten thousand clerks were thrown into the street!

And 280 thousand people are ready to leave without work

[alone]

Dogu Perincek in Turkey has no political weight

[A. Privalov]

Dogu Perincek - chairman of the dispersed party, nearly thundered for life (117 years), organized a new left-nationalist party of 22 thousand members, which is simply nothing for 83 million people.
Party ideology:

In his program documents, he combines Maoist rhetoric and left-wing populism with an appeal to the ideas of Kemalism. The party considers “scientific socialism” to be the basis of its program, but at the same time, the party’s ideology also contains elements of Kemalist-type nationalism — more so than other Turkish left parties. The party considers the founder of the modern Turkish state, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, “a left-wing bourgeois-democratic revolutionary,” and considers his legacy as one of the landmarks, along with the ideas of Lenin, Mao Zedong and Fidel Castro.

Here is such a batch!

At the same time, Perinchek defines the modern "pro-Western and pro-American" (!) Turkish policy as the main reasons for the decline of Kemalism and, accordingly, the secular and social Turkish national state.
Of course, in the absence of another politician who said something about Crimea, you can refer to this, but here you should be very careful not to fall into a slippery trap. The fact is that Perincek

proposes to recognize the sovereignty ... of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

This is despite the fact that no state in the world, with the exception of Turkey itself, does not officially recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus as an independent state.

[Chever]

Oh, come on, she's ready to admit. From such news we usually learn that some opposition parties that are not particularly popular in their homeland are "ready to recognize" Crimea as Russian. Moreover, with dubious popularity

[Kruglov]

It turns out that the Turk may have glimpses of consciousness ...

[petrol cutter]

The article is right balm on the seedling.
However, there are suspicions that this will not happen in the foreseeable future.
Comrades, the Turks today sing one thing, tomorrow another ...
Im- Crimea is not Ukrainian good! But ideally, that he was Turkish! ..
They are not friends to me. And they never were.
How many wars were there for the peninsula?! ..
Oh, so please. Come, as it is fashionable to say, invest! ...
Let me kiss you!
But, on the territory-zas. Throat biting.
Here is such a squiggle. Such a vision from the field.

[Nikolaevich I]

I heard such a ,, legend ,,! ... ... When Turkey had to part with the Crimea, she agreed to this, provided that the Crimea would belong to either Russia or Turkey ...! Nobody else! So ... think for yourself, decide for yourself ... ,, to have or not to have ,,!

[Region68]

The name is suitable ..

[Metallurg_2]

Foreign Ministry has already called the Turkish ambassador?