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Russia refuses to use Balkhash radar in Kazakhstan

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Russia refuses to use Balkhash radar in Kazakhstan

Russia denounces an agreement with Kazakhstan on the use of the Balkhash radar in the Russian Missile Attack Warning System (SPRN). The corresponding decree was signed by Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, the document is published on the official portal of legal information.


Russia is withdrawing the Kazakhstani Balkhash node from the missile attack warning system. The need for it disappeared after the commissioning of the latest radar type "Voronezh-M" near the city of Orsk in the Orenburg region. The new Russian radar has a detection range of up to 6 thousand kilometers, covers the Balkhash radar sector, thereby actually replacing it.

The Kazakhstan node "Balkhash" in the Karaganda region, which includes the Dnepr radar, is used in the Russian missile attack warning system (SPRN) on the basis of an intergovernmental agreement of December 14, 1994. The last time the agreement was renewed in December 2014.

In the spring of 2017, after the commissioning of three Voronezh radars at once in Orsk, Barnaul and Yeniseisk, it was announced that a continuous radar field had been created in Russia to protect the territory from a possible threat of a missile attack.

Radar "Voronezh" - a number of Russian over-the-horizon radar stations on the ground-level EWS, operating in different ranges of radio waves. Radar capable of detecting cosmic ballistic and aerodynamic objects.




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  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 23 June 2020 13: 31
    +2
    The Kazakhs themselves will probably not pull Balkhash.
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 23 June 2020 13: 35
      32
      It is also interesting to know - why for the sake of them to pull it at all .. Even if they pulled it ..
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 June 2020 13: 41
        +7
        Follow the flocks. The wolf attack early warning system.
      2. NIKN
        NIKN 23 June 2020 13: 46
        +5
        Quote: Roman123567
        It is also interesting to know - why for the sake of them to pull it at all .. Even if they pulled it ..

        They are drawn and the truth is not what, they are included in the agreement on prn and all other brothers will also be warned and protected by Russian missile defense systems.
    2. Genry
      Genry 23 June 2020 13: 35
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Doccor18
      The Kazakhs themselves will probably not pull Balkhash.

      Why do they need this dusty and shaggy ...?
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 23 June 2020 15: 26
        +6
        Nude Nude. In one rack 9,5 kg of gold;). So there’s something to pull iam :).
        1. Stalllker
          Stalllker 23 June 2020 16: 45
          +1
          He still needs to be removed from there
          1. dgonni
            dgonni 23 June 2020 17: 15
            0
            No problem .
            1. Stalllker
              Stalllker 23 June 2020 22: 04
              +1
              In a word, how will you extract gold from the same contacts, etc.?
              1. dgonni
                dgonni 23 June 2020 22: 21
                0
                Schroeder to help you. The main thing is to sort it right. That would not grind too much and different.
                But this is such a mess in modern components. And in shovels there are such thicknesses of spraying that cut it straight with a knife :)
                So that would be that. But there are no problems
                1. Stalllker
                  Stalllker 23 June 2020 22: 40
                  +3
                  I’ve been working at the Pole for ten years and I know the technology. As I understand it, you have no answer. And do not select, but extract. All technology is associated with the extraction of gold, not the allocation. laughing in hydrometallurgy this is called cyanidation
        2. Aleksey60
          Aleksey60 24 June 2020 07: 54
          0
          One rack 9,5 kg of gold

          Where did the firewood come from? What is there is silver in the RF channels ..
    3. Kurare
      Kurare 23 June 2020 13: 42
      15
      Quote: Doccor18
      The Kazakhs themselves will probably not pull Balkhash.

      And no one will give them. They dismantle all the important equipment, leaving only the pyramid.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 23 June 2020 14: 37
        0
        Quote: Kurare
        leave only the pyramid

        Now is not the 90s, when everyone left. Kazakhs will demand to blow up and bring the ecology back to its original state, which is very expensive. It would be easier to convey, but they do not need it.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 23 June 2020 15: 15
          10
          Quote: Vita VKO
          Quote: Kurare
          leave only the pyramid

          Now is not the 90s, when everyone left. Kazakhs will demand to blow up and bring the ecology back to its original state, which is very expensive. It would be easier to convey, but they do not need it.

          The Kazakhs leased this object to Russia. This is their property. Let them do what they want with him.
        2. Brturin
          Brturin 23 June 2020 15: 20
          +2
          Quote: Vita VKO
          It would be easier to convey, but they do not need it.

          so this is their property, Russia rented it ....
          According to the intergovernmental agreement of December 14, 1994, the Balkhash node is the property of the Republic of Kazakhstan and is provided for the use of the Russian Federation for a period of 10 years with a subsequent extension .... https: //www.kommersant.ru/doc/766827
          Clause 1 of the Resolution - "To approve the proposal to denounce the Agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Republic of Kazakhstan onb transmission conditions and on the procedure for further use of the Kazakh node Balkhash in the Russian missile attack warning system. "
        3. true_rover
          true_rover 23 June 2020 17: 37
          -1
          Near Usolye-Sibirskoye in the Irkutsk region, the Daryal-Mishelevka was blown up, because the Voronezh was built there, and the Daryal is more modern than the Dnieper and is no less big. The transmitting and receiving antennas were clearly visible from the path. Therefore, there is experience, and if necessary, it will be training for the engineering troops.
    4. Basil50
      Basil50 23 June 2020 19: 10
      +1
      Kazakhs have deserted lands with rich mineral resources and a number of Chinese, whose development matrix is ​​taken from the former owners - the British. The Chinese need colonies and obedient aborigines, who will be called according to the modern colonial fashion felts * adherents of democracies * felts even how, but they will surely cut out the local bais (elite).
      In the last century, during the assimilation of the territories that the Chinese seized and now included in China, there were no constraints on the destruction of dissent. All those who were against it were simply destroyed, without any invention or publicity.
      Refugees from China, those who managed to escape from the Chinese and settled in Central Asia, remember that and the locals do not let them be deceived.
      1. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 23 June 2020 21: 08
        +1
        "Refugees from China, those who managed to escape from the Chinese and settled in Central Asia, remember that and do not let the locals be fooled" - for the elite, the language of baksheesh. From the Chinese is stronger than the language of some poor Uyghurs ..
      2. businessv
        businessv 24 June 2020 12: 55
        0
        Quote: Vasily50
        Chinese, whose development matrix is ​​taken from the former owners - the British.
        Why are you saying this ?! Or do you call Hong Kong China? China is an ancient civilization, do not insult it!
  3. ccsr
    ccsr 23 June 2020 13: 35
    31
    The nominal solution is that we no longer have to deploy our military facilities on foreign territory, if their technical capabilities from moving 500-1000 km will not affect their combat capabilities. Enough to pay all the former post-Soviet republics for the fact that we are also defending them - let them spin as they want, especially if they live close to one and a half billion.
    By the way, not far from Alma-Ata in Chengeldy there was a huge complex of radio reconnaissance systems, special radio communications of the strategic link of the Main Intelligence Directorate, in which a lot of money was invested and which provided a lot of information. The Kazakhs stole all this, and instead of learning from us and maintaining these systems in working order, they simply plundered everything that they did not manage to take out.
    1. novel66
      novel66 23 June 2020 13: 41
      0
      so sorry for the wives! for this crap, surely, a lot of money paid
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 23 June 2020 14: 21
      +2
      Quote: ccsr
      The nominal solution is that we no longer have to deploy our military facilities on foreign territory, if their technical capabilities from moving 500-1000 km will not affect their combat capabilities.

      Take it easy buddy, take it easy. Do not you think that already with the search out. Is there, for example, a more convenient place in Russia to track nuclear tests and conduct other naturally purely scientific research than the vicinity of the Chunkurchak Fault? It is further 1000 km from the nearest point in Russia today. There is also communication and politics.
      1. scientist
        scientist 23 June 2020 15: 35
        10
        Quote: Humpty
        It is further 1000 km from the nearest point in Russia today

        The ZG radar has a rather large dead zone, hundreds of km. An important factor for the proper formation of the bottom line is the surrounding area. There are serious problems with this in the Balkhash region, in the east and south-east direction there are mountains, the Tien Shan Range.
        In addition, there is such a thing as operating costs. For old equipment, and even in the territory of another state, they are much more expensive.
        Therefore, it is correct and long overdue to close the Balkhash radar station.
        Quote: Humpty
        There is still communication and politics

        The location of the Russian bases does not affect this in any way. Unfortunately, the policy of non-interference in the internal affairs of neighboring "friendly" states only leads to a deterioration in relations. "A holy place is never empty," and a vacant seat is immediately taken by the intelligence services of other foreign states seeking to put pressure on Russia.
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 23 June 2020 21: 12
          -3
          "the free space is immediately taken by the special services" - first of all, money takes up free space, the special services are just an appendix to money .. China and the United States have the opportunity to finance and invest in post-Soviet countries, but we cannot raise Russia from our knees, and then we are surprised, that we have no allies.
          1. Timon2155
            Timon2155 25 June 2020 09: 29
            +1
            Well, we had money for Ukraine. We had the opportunity to finance it. Helped a lot? That's it
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 23 June 2020 18: 31
        +3
        Quote: Humpty
        Take it easy buddy, take it easy. Do not you think that already with the search out.

        After the loss of Lourdes, all the other facilities for the country's security are just a trifle, and there is no need to invent dangers where they are not. Seismologists will detect explosions, and fallout can be detected using air intakes by aircraft, so this is a contrived reason to keep a foreign object.

        Quote: Humpty
        There is also communication and politics.

        There is also common sense and high costs of maintaining foreign facilities. It is from this that we must proceed first.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 23 June 2020 21: 11
          0
          Quote: ccsr
          There is also common sense and high costs of maintaining foreign facilities. It is from this that we must proceed first.

          Previously, for example, a radar operated at the source of Vakhsh on the Pamir Highway. Now this is not relevant. Nevertheless, quite important military installations remain outside of Russia since Soviet times, not Lourdes, of course.
    3. tech3030
      tech3030 23 June 2020 16: 06
      +7
      When I served a term I went to the call from Kazakhstan. The first was from the north, that is, almost Russian, the second from the south, allah akbar, people hardly spoke Russian. And these were put on guard to guard the mine. That was the "guard", the officers were fucking with them. (90-92)
    4. knn54
      knn54 23 June 2020 19: 13
      0
      Chengeldy (Shengeldy, behind Kopchegai), somewhere 140 km from Alma-Ata (almost three hours by bus), the headquarters of the OsNaz-radio brigade and radio-technical intelligence, purely across China (.KSAVO) Plus the so-called "communication center" is already on Yankesam-Guam, in particular .. Direct subordination to Moscow.
      I'm not surprised that they abandoned it.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 23 June 2020 19: 46
        +8
        Quote: knn54
        , somewhere 140 km from Alma-Ata

        A hundred or so, if memory serves. The road was excellent - we arrived an hour and a half to Alma-Ata in the UAZ.
        Quote: knn54
        I'm not surprised that they abandoned it.

        They didn’t even have the staff to pull it off, and since the Kazakhs were too cunning, they decided not to study with us, but simply to plunder everything. There, some antenna fields were worth what, and the technical and housing stock was not bad. Poor North Koreans constantly taught their radio intelligence officers with us, and these "brothers" just to snatch more from the Soviet legacy - that's their gut and climbed out.
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 24 June 2020 09: 58
        +1
        Quote: knn54
        Chengeldy (Shengeldy, behind Kopchegai), somewhere 140 km from Alma-Ata (almost three hours by bus), the headquarters of the OsNaz-radio brigade and radio-technical intelligence, purely across China (.KSAVO) Plus the so-called "communication center" is already on Yankesam-Guam, in particular .. Direct subordination to Moscow.
        I'm not surprised that they abandoned it.

        My son-in-law in Nikolaevka served in the VTA, I visited the Kopchegaysky reservoir, they caught bream on a "silver hook" (a can of alcohol for fishermen and a bag of bream in the car laughing The son-in-law later told how the Kazakhs took their equipment in 92. They did not have time to convey how from the ejection seats they took all the parachutes into silk trousers to their women, and my sister worked as the head of the financial department in the regional executive committee, so they put the local national cadre of a free country in its place, dumb like a saxaul, but a nasyalnik, however. I had to leave myself. This is about the displacement of the "Russian occupants" in the 90s.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 24 June 2020 16: 46
          +2
          Quote: Captain45
          Before they could tell, from the ejection seats all the parachutes on the silk trousers were pulled to their women

          Of course, these are big losses, but we suffered them even more when they were left with stationary objects whose property they did not allow to take out. And there the latest EU computers for that time were, a huge amount of all kinds of unique equipment, including satellite systems and antennas, stationary communication centers - in general, shepherds they are shepherds, but they always wanted to be superiors. It’s funny and bitter to remember this ...
    5. businessv
      businessv 24 June 2020 12: 58
      0
      Quote: ccsr
      Enough to pay all the former post-Soviet republics for the fact that we are also defending them - let them spin as they want, especially if they live close to one and a half billion.

      In! And Trump says the same thing! And why do we need friends, except for our army and navy, right? Like how Independent and Georgia today treat us?
  4. VVK
    VVK 23 June 2020 13: 38
    11
    Everything is right! We are proactive. No need to make the country's security dependent on the political situation in other states.
  5. Tatyana Sementsova
    Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 13: 46
    -3
    Does this thing cover the territory of Belarus?
    1. And Makarov
      And Makarov 23 June 2020 13: 50
      +2
      It is unlikely that this is the southern sector.
      1. Tatyana Sementsova
        Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 13: 57
        -2
        Sorry ..... But I think they’ll come up with something ....
    2. Shkodnik65
      Shkodnik65 23 June 2020 14: 17
      0
      In Belarus, the radar has a completely different focus, there is control and communication with submarines. What also needs to be transferred to the territory of the Russian Federation
      1. Tatyana Sementsova
        Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 14: 18
        +1
        Well, you have to endure ..... Lukashenko is not satisfied! He wants money for renting a place!
        1. Shkodnik65
          Shkodnik65 23 June 2020 14: 27
          +4
          It is not only and not so much money. Being dependent on the unpredictability of the actions of the President of the Republic of Belarus (his successor) means that there may come a time when we lose communication and control of submarine nuclear forces. It is fraught with it. And Lukashenko understands this.
        2. venik
          venik 23 June 2020 16: 38
          +1
          Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
          Lukashenko is not satisfied! He wants money for renting a place!

          ========
          And he doesn’t get paid ??? belay And how much! request
    3. alone
      alone 23 June 2020 14: 20
      +3
      Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
      Does this thing cover the territory of Belarus?
      Where is Kazakhstan and where is Belarus what
      1. Tatyana Sementsova
        Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 14: 25
        -3
        Belarus where its president begins to bargain with Russia for a place under the antenna
        ....
        1. alone
          alone 23 June 2020 14: 28
          0
          Belarus is the western border ... And Kazakhstan is the southern ...
          Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
          Belarus is where the new president begins to bargain with Russia for a place under the antenna

          Belarus is Belarus .. Presidents come and go (in normal state systems), but the country and people remain
          1. Tatyana Sementsova
            Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 16: 09
            +4
            Well, yes, I see this in the example of Ukraine ......
    4. venik
      venik 23 June 2020 16: 35
      +1
      Quote: Tatyana Sementsova
      Does this thing cover the territory of Belarus?

      =========
      Question: WHERE Belarus and WHERE Kazakhstan (and a station with an antenna array oriented to south и southeast?) ..... request
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 June 2020 13: 47
    0
    And rightly so. If we are able to ensure our security by deploying an SPRN system on our territory, increasing the approach time of the destruction facilities of our stations. 10 minutes in a modern war can be expensive.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 23 June 2020 13: 54
    +2
    Oh there Saigakov was a LOT .... and fishing, on Balkhash good
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 23 June 2020 14: 43
      +2
      Fishing at Balkhash is still there, but the saiga population has declined significantly. Hunting for them is prohibited.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 June 2020 14: 49
        +2
        Nature must be protected!
        There a lot of things are scattered across the steppes, it was ... the training ground was large.
        I remember how trees were planted there ... this is generally a song, I have never seen anything like this before, so that I had to hammer a hole for planting with crowbars for a couple of days !!!
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 23 June 2020 15: 40
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          I remember how trees were planted there

          96th year of Taldy-Kurgan region road to Panfilov. Food and something missing ?? Then it dawned on me, no poplars. Forest protection strip, cut down on both sides of the road. Drowns, than it is necessary ... recourse
      2. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 23 June 2020 15: 10
        +2
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Fishing in Balkhash and now there is

        Balkhash is already bending. The boundaries of salt water are shifting. Well, and yes, if you want to catch fish, go to Balkhash for 500 km. But there were times when they normally caught on Kapchagai. sad
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 23 June 2020 18: 37
          +2
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          But there were times when they normally caught on Kapchagai.

          And now there is no fish there? I remember in the eighties there were gorgeous beaches and there were a lot of fish - I remember this when I was on a business trip.
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 23 June 2020 18: 46
            +2
            They say they have dirtied the reservoir. Recently there was a story on the "box" ... In Kapchagai they caught a Thorn (sturgeon), they considered it already extinct. In the mid-80s, the plan was set for fishermen to catch sturgeon. I really didn't catch it myself. But my uncle often brought it. From Ili and Kapchagai. And the catfish for ~ 200-250 kg, I helped to pull it out myself ... Well, how I helped, I was sick, supported ... And now, friends who stayed, they say poop swims near the shore. I myself have not been there for 20 years. But, I really want to visit.
          2. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 23 June 2020 18: 49
            +2
            Ah, I forgot ... In Kapchagai there was a shrimp (freshwater), healthy no worse than in shops they sell. And we, fools, threw out ... We did not know that it is possible to eat. recourse
  8. Yeraz
    Yeraz 23 June 2020 17: 17
    0
    Who knows what the cost of the S-400 for the Russian army?
  9. Old26
    Old26 23 June 2020 19: 38
    +3
    Author!! And another photo was not found on the network ??? And we are talking about some kind of radar station "Balkhash". Such a radar has never existed. There was a SEPARATE RADIOTECHNICAL UNIT (OS-2) "Balkhash-9". The EMNIP photo shows the transmitting position of the Daryal-U radar. But in Sary-Shagan it was dismantled back in 2011. The receiver burned down in 2004 and collapsed in 2010.
    The agreement was on the use of the radar "Dnepr"
  10. Sochi
    Sochi 24 June 2020 04: 50
    +1
    Kazakhs ... will pull away the khan to the object. The ball is such a urban settlement Chagan (now Shagan), an airfield of strategists near Semipalatinsk (now Semey) ... We left, stop by, live, all the infrastructure is left. Dismantled bricks of residential buildings, a school, GDO. The airfield is abandoned.
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 June 2020 12: 00
    0
    Well, right, otherwise the FIG knows what to expect from the Kazakhs in case of war.
    Yes, and this node was outdated, most likely. And to modernize is the same as doing a repair in a rented apartment. Still not yours.
  12. Old26
    Old26 24 June 2020 22: 51
    +2
    Quote: Zomanus
    Yes, and this node was outdated, most likely.

    Radar cell number 5 was put into operation in 1974 ...
  13. anjey
    anjey 25 June 2020 09: 20
    0
    Another abandoned city in the steppe? Chagan was ruined, now Sary-Shagan (Priozersk) on the beautiful shore of Balkhash.