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Why did the president decide to amend the Constitution: thoughts and assumptions

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The topic, which according to the degree of its discussion, is one of the hottest in Russia today - amendments to the Constitution. The main vote is scheduled for July 1. At the same time, in some regions, according to official reports, the situation with coronavirus infection remains rather complicated. But by July 1, apparently, the regime of self-isolation should be lifted everywhere - otherwise it is difficult to explain how voting can be carried out in the presence of self-isolation restrictions.


It must be recalled that in March (before the pandemic) the Russian parliament and the legislative assemblies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation managed to vote for amendments to the Constitution. And now the state wants to ask citizens for an amendment. Although already the head of the CEC, Ella Pamfilova, in a well-known statement made it clear that little is dependent on citizens in this situation (to put it mildly).

On the channel "Social Studies Uncensored" a video is presented in which the author discusses why the Russian Constitution is changing. The author, in a peculiar ironic vein, reports that all amendments can be divided into three main groups as applied to the country's president:

The first: “I want to rule longer”, the second: “I want more power”, the third: “All garbage, so that people rejoice.”

In the video, the phrase used in one of the blogs is used - “President with twisted mileage.”

Reflections and assumptions author of the video:



You can agree or disagree with the author’s arguments. Controversial issues are indeed present. One of them - will the president really have more authority if amendments are adopted, as the video says?
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  1. Terenin
    Terenin 23 June 2020 09: 38 New
    -7
    The topic, which according to the degree of its discussion, today is one of the hottest in Russia

    Reade set Go! winked
    1. alma
      alma 23 June 2020 09: 41 New
      -2
      Quote: Terenin
      Reade set Go!

      Are you talking about a heated debate? Will begin now
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 23 June 2020 09: 53 New
        -2
        Why did the president decide to amend the Constitution: thoughts and assumptions

        And so that we think and speculate, but the president has! yes
        1. Vend
          Vend 23 June 2020 11: 22 New
          -12
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Why did the president decide to amend the Constitution: thoughts and assumptions

          And so that we think and speculate, but the president has! yes
          Well, competent people already understand everything. For example, can it not be beneficial for Russia that only a Russian citizen who has lived 30-35 years in Russia and does not have other citizenship and accounts abroad can head key posts in the state? Or a retired president, may be deprived of immunity at any time? It is enough to read an article in which there will be changes in order to understand THESE CHANGES ARE NOT FAVORABLE TO THE ENEMIES OF RUSSIA
        2. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 23 June 2020 11: 56 New
          +1
          Alexander. Yes, the president seems to have already explained. Every thing, including the constitution, has an expiration date. Well, everyone understands: cottage cheese, milk, chilled meat - including the constitution. Stalin (1936-1977), Brezhnev (1977-1993), Yeltsin (1993-?). Putin, on the other hand, decided to extend the shelf life of Yeltsin's by adding additives - it happens. But seriously, why is there so much rhetoric? It is interesting for me to know to anyone in the world the constitution hindered or helped in something? I don't - life is separate, and the constitution is separate. Let them. And what will happen from this we will find out on July 2 - the people will accept the amendments - they will sing glory to the winner on P1, but they will soon forget. Will not accept - escapes from the ship will begin, but also not scary. For all over the world, things are decided not by the constitution, but by concepts and circumstances. In any constitution in the world something is written about covid-19, Or - in the "most democratic in the world" US constitution there is something about the need to throw the statue of Columbus on the ground. That's it!
          1. NIKN
            NIKN 23 June 2020 15: 24 New
            +4
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            For all over the world, matters are decided not by the constitution, but by concepts and circumstances.

            That and that. Did anyone ever bear any responsibility for the failure to comply with the constitution? All the amendments would be significant if they were introduced into the criminal code .... And so, well, the minimum payment will not work out ... well, the economy did not allow it, so what? someone will bear responsibility for this? The same goes for other amendment points ...
            Well, since somehow
      2. Sandor Clegane
        Sandor Clegane 23 June 2020 09: 54 New
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        Quote: alma
        Are you talking about a heated debate? Will begin now

        and what will begin? everything will pass quietly and in the 1st and XNUMXst of July. Everything has already been decided. The amendments have a lot of good ideas, but there are those that are not acceptable, but as I understand it, we vote in bulk, for everything at once - YES or NO.
        1. alma
          alma 23 June 2020 09: 59 New
          16
          So the dispute will begin about this - YES or NO.
          Pc I wonder why, without amendments, you can’t fix everything?
          Personally, I am for a separate vote on the amendments, but we were not given that choice.
          1. barin
            barin 23 June 2020 10: 14 New
            +7
            Quote: alma
            for a separate vote on the amendments, but we were not given such a choice

            Apparently, the results of such a vote are clear in advance.
          2. doubovitski
            doubovitski 23 June 2020 10: 19 New
            -25
            Quote: alma
            So the dispute will begin about this - YES or NO.
            Pc I wonder why, without amendments, you can’t fix everything?
            Personally, I am for a separate vote on the amendments, but we were not given that choice.

            There are more than 300 amendments. Are you so competent and quick-reading that on the site you can scroll through this book, note the good ones and cross out the bad ones? If so, then you are the only one. But, besides you, there are still a number of people in Russia. Further. The counting process for items in such bulletin books in the amount of 130 million (or slightly less). Further. Can you give an example when the Constitutions are adopted line by line, and not as a whole? For the current Constitution you voted as a whole? Or point by point? Then why THEN it was possible, but now not? What, much wiser since then, or fell ill with schizophrenia?
            1. alma
              alma 23 June 2020 10: 33 New
              15
              First: Polite
              Secondly: With so many amendments, all the more, you can’t take everything in bulk.
              And if, as you say, on the site you have to leaf through and choose from hundreds of amendments, then the organization of the event itself has not been worked out. In addition, I read these amendments - 90% one "water"
            2. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 23 June 2020 11: 35 New
              18
              According to the constitution, in order to amend it or adopt a new one, it is necessary to convene a constitutional assembly, which should sort out all the proposed changes and remove unacceptable ones, and then declare a referendum. And certainly not to decide the issue in the State Duma, which, whatever one may say, is a political entity, and will vote as the leaders of the factions say. Yes, and this voting is strange, it is not entirely clear whether it is obligatory or recommendatory, and why a new procedure was introduced at all in the presence of a clearly spelled out old one. The amendments themselves are generally a separate conversation. The positive ones are water. Well, we wrote to the constitution about the indexation of pensions. How much and in what direction to index, as well as the definition of the "indexing" itself Not registered. So what. It will be necessary to freeze pensions - they will increase it by 0.0001% and say "everything is according to the law." And try to blame that you are against and that's it - you are the enemy of pensioners. And so in all directions. Territory amendments - good. Only now, the government must defend sovereignty and territorial integrity. They did not add anything new, but try and ask why these scribbles will cry - you want to give the Ukrainian litter to the Crimea. Family is a union of a man and a woman - well, I got the gomosyat. And a single mother and two daughters are no longer a family? Or do not care what is written in the constitution? God was stuck in for some reason. Despite the clear and clear definition in the current constitution on the separation of church and state and freedom of conscience and religion, or lack thereof. There were no religious conflicts in the country, it must be created. The state-forming Russian people are also nothing. They are tired of peace in the Caucasus, in Tatarstan, Bashkiria in Siberia ... Well, we must give a reason for interethnic conflicts. There is an old and good principle - don't touch it. Despite all the claims to the authorities that I have heard over the years, there have been practically no attacks on the current constitution. She suits everyone. Why break it, just for the sake of Putin's new term? Yes, he would have come out at 14, and even in 18, and said "I declare myself a king." They would have supported him. Without all this nonsense, pension reforms and so on. And now when they screwed up trying to cheat like that? For a complete understanding - I am not a Ukrainian, not a liberal, not a heap. My views are rather monarchist - I am for a strong, centralized, irreplaceable dictatorship for the time of its competence. Only now, after this, in my eyes, this character is not drawn to the role of the Russian emperor. And the theory of the official nationality of Uvarov, which they shove into all the cracks, is not suitable as the basis of the state of the 21st century, it is too outdated. Sadly, I expected more from them.
              1. Genry
                Genry 23 June 2020 11: 45 New
                0
                Quote: oleg123219307
                According to the constitution, in order to change it or adopt a new one, it is necessary to convene a constitutional assembly,

                Read about the constitutional assembly, at least on Wiki.
                The law on it has not been adopted and is chronically blocked.
                This makes it impossible to change the basic foundations of the Constitution, laid down by "assistants" from USAID.
            3. And Makarov
              And Makarov 23 June 2020 11: 45 New
              +3
              Quote: doubovitski
              Amendments greater than 300

              With so many amendments, it seems that lawmakers want to scatter the attention of the people. For what?
          3. Aleksandre
            Aleksandre 23 June 2020 10: 56 New
            -1
            Quote: alma
            Personally, I am for a separate vote on the amendments, but we were not given that choice.

            Winnie the Pooh is sitting with Piglet in the trash, like breakfast.
            Vinnie looked, looked at Piglet, and then how he will weigh a bream!
            - Vinnie, for what ?!
            - Eat everything, a filthy pig, stop picking potatoes!
          4. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 23 June 2020 11: 43 New
            -5
            Definitely yes! For those who are a patriot of Russia, since we are not talking about the sovereignty of the country for traitors, or those who consider Russia their enemy.
            1. Aleksandre
              Aleksandre 23 June 2020 12: 02 New
              -2
              Quote: Herman 4223
              Definitely yes! For those who are a patriot of Russia, since we are not talking about the sovereignty of the country for traitors, or those who consider Russia their enemy.

              Is it so fundamentally important for you who will rob you, "yours" or "strangers"? By the way, I put the quotation marks on it for a reason.
            2. Revival
              Revival 23 June 2020 12: 08 New
              -2
              ........................
          5. yuliatreb
            yuliatreb 23 June 2020 11: 58 New
            +4
            I don't know about you, but the word "amendment" hurts your ears, there is no such word in the Russian language, there is a good word for change, and so, the current president, foaming at his mouth, proved and promised everyone that he was not a supporter of any changes and change the Constitution for himself, he is not going to be re-elected for a third term, but it turns out that all the necessary changes that were needed twenty years ago, for some reason, are being adopted just now, and the main goal of all the changes, of course, is to reset the presidency of the GDP. Well, isn't our president a liar?
            1. Aleksandre
              Aleksandre 23 June 2020 12: 04 New
              -3
              Quote: yuliatreb
              I don't know about you, but the word "amendment" hurts your ears, there is no such word in Russian, there is a good word for change ...

              Eh, no) "Change" is when it was like this, and we did it differently.
              And the "amendment" hints at what was done, but not quite right, and it is necessary to "correct", then everything at once shines with those bright colors that were planned.
        2. doubovitski
          doubovitski 23 June 2020 10: 14 New
          -17
          Quote: Sandor Clegane
          Quote: alma
          Are you talking about a heated debate? Will begin now

          and what will begin? everything will pass quietly and in the 1st and XNUMXst of July. Everything has already been decided. The amendments have a lot of good ideas, but there are those that are not acceptable, but as I understand it, we vote in bulk, for everything at once - YES or NO.

          Who is not acceptable? And what? Give an example of those that you consider as such. Otherwise, your performance is a bunch in a puddle.
          1. Sandor Clegane
            Sandor Clegane 23 June 2020 10: 47 New
            +7
            Quote: doubovitski
            Give an example of those that you consider as such

            first do not poke
            Quote: doubovitski
            Otherwise, your performance is a bunch in a puddle.

            secondly not ham
            thirdly, this is wholesale, over the law after the passing of the powers of the president, although to whom do I explain? it’s useless ... ..fu three times
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 11: 20 New
            0
            Quote: doubovitski
            Give an example of those that you consider as such. Otherwise, your performance is a bunch in a puddle.

            Yes, even a lifelong senatorialism. Something on the box no Bezrukov-Matsuyevs say why this is necessary.
        3. Gardamir
          Gardamir 23 June 2020 10: 26 New
          +4
          Yes, in bulk, borscht and turd in one pan.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 23 June 2020 11: 13 New
            0
            Quote: Gardamir
            Yes, in bulk, borscht and turd in one pan.

            And I just sat down to have breakfast ... ugh
        4. Vend
          Vend 23 June 2020 11: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: Sandor Clegane
          Quote: alma
          Are you talking about a heated debate? Will begin now

          and what will begin? everything will pass quietly and in the 1st and XNUMXst of July. Everything has already been decided. The amendments have a lot of good ideas, but there are those that are not acceptable, but as I understand it, we vote in bulk, for everything at once - YES or NO.


          I would like to recall that the debate took place for several months. For example, I am very sorry that the initiative of the trade unions on the annual increase in salaries did not pass. Which articles do you think are problematic?
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 23 June 2020 10: 16 New
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        Why did the president decide to amend the Constitution: thoughts and assumptions

        The answer is obvious. In order to stay in power until the grave, for the sake of friends and family, so that their financial well-being would not be shaken, in order to avoid responsibility, which is enshrined in the Constitution.
        1. lucul
          lucul 23 June 2020 10: 48 New
          -19
          In order to stay in power until the grave, for the sake of friends and family, so that their financial well-being would not be shaken

          Does Putin look like a man who is eager for power and generally revels in power itself? If this is so in your eyes, then you do not understand people at all ....
          As prime minister, he could privatize a couple of factories, grab a couple of billion dollars and dump him abroad, like Yatsenyuk. Who would like to rake the Augean stables of Russia in the 90s? And most importantly - who can do it? .... And Putin did it, he did the same to the Augean stables, probably he wanted the authorities so much, he wanted the authorities so much, in your words, that he started to clear out this swamp.
          Do not see the contradictions?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 23 June 2020 11: 00 New
            10
            Quote: lucul
            Does Putin look like a man who is eager for power and generally revels in power itself?

            He does not look like that, he is like that, facts are stubborn things .. and only women believe beautiful words .. look at things.
            As prime minister, he could privatize a couple of factories, grab a couple of billion dollars and dump him abroad, like Yatsenyuk

            Yes, but he grabbed all the factories and also the slaves 130 ml .. Why would he need a foreign country, where he would be just a billionaire, when here all of him .. in fact, he’s the king ..
            Who would like to rake the Augean stables of Russia in the 90s? Most importantly, who can do it?

            That's who after raking back to zero and whether there will be anything to rake at all .. Forget you already in the 90s, in two years you will remember them again. They are very close, but somewhere they didn’t even leave us.
            Do not see the contradictions?

            I see total stupidity. Nothing more. Just kill the woman in yourself and begin to listen not to words but to analyze things ...
            His deeds always differ from his words .. Let me remind you .. "I will never have a pension reform" .. and immediately "I ask you to treat with understanding", the Constitution cannot be changed and immediately changes, It is impossible to be the eternal president because the power corrupts and right there changes the constitution .. From this person comes a complete lie .. But this is half the trouble, trouble in demography, impoverishment, the collapse of medicine, science, education ... So think .. and look for contradictions in his words and actions ..
            1. kot423
              kot423 23 June 2020 11: 19 New
              -12
              Complete nonsense. Under Brezhnev stagnation, what then resulted? Lagging behind in everything? Or are you one of those who light the column with matches, because it was like that and the iron on the gas stove heats up? This is an example to you for your indignation "here he spoke, and then ..." Shift your point of view on yourself, and then be indignant
          2. Deniska999
            Deniska999 23 June 2020 11: 01 New
            +2
            And dozens of examples of other rulers who could do as well, but clung to the last for power.
          3. Gardamir
            Gardamir 23 June 2020 12: 03 New
            +7
            Why are you insulting the president? You see, I could grab. Why should he grab? There is a bridge builder, there is a cellist. They always allocate for small expenses, and he does not mind the badges for them.
          4. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 23 June 2020 13: 04 New
            0
            "Why did the president decide to change the Constitution: reflections and assumptions .."

            The President himself spoke about this, while delivering a message to the Federal Assembly. He emphasized what the people themselves would decide ...
            "" "" The President stressed that it is necessary to vote among citizens on the entire package of proposed amendments to the Constitution and make a final decision only on its results.
            "The opinion of the people, our citizens, the people - as the bearer of sovereignty and the main source of power - should be decisive. Everything is ultimately decided by the people," Putin concluded. "" "

            https://ria.ru/20200115/1563441117.html

            Decide what you want ..
            1. Taga
              Taga 26 June 2020 11: 03 New
              +2
              Then why not hold a referendum, and not its stripped-down version? Why did her guarantor ALREADY sign (https://www.garant.ru/news/1331752/) these changes, if so wanted to listen to the opinion of the people of his country ???
          5. qQQQ
            qQQQ 23 June 2020 14: 47 New
            +4
            Quote: lucul
            Putin did it, he did the same to the Augean stables, probably he wanted the authorities so much, he wanted the authorities so much, in your words, that he began to clean out this swamp.

            With some degree of probability, this is so, but while raking some stables, new ones were created, and who knows which ones are easier to rake. And if in the 90s, I am ready to assume that he knew something about the life of the people, then after so many years in power, I think that there are not even assumptions about the real state of affairs. "They are terribly far from the people" - as far as I remember, a quote from Lenin. Power must be replaceable.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 23 June 2020 11: 21 New
          -8
          Quote: Svarog
          In order to stay in power until the grave, for the sake of friends and family,

          Well, irrigating rulers in Russia has always been a folk fun. But ... guys, I will ask a simple question. Is there an alternative to Putin today? So that it’s not Marked # 2, not EBN, the second drunk is over, so as not to be a pro-Western desman who will sell everything, including his mother?
          And in the old Constitution, were you indignant happy with everything?
          Let me remind you of one saying, he is not mistaken, who does nothing. Amendments, new laws are not ideal and will never be, as there will always be citizens who do not like it.
          I do not drown for Putin, but ... I personally today do not see a comparable alternative to him.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 23 June 2020 11: 23 New
            -6
            We’re afraid, well, nothing ...
            Fear for their own is normal. Which is what the great ones use. Is not it?
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 23 June 2020 11: 23 New
            +8
            Quote: NEXUS
            I do not drown for Putin, but ... I personally today do not see a comparable alternative to him.

            You won’t see until he is at the helm ..
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 23 June 2020 11: 32 New
              -1
              Quote: Svarog
              You won’t see until he is at the helm ..

              Well, you can take Zimniy again, a shot from Peter the Great, and so on ... then civil war, chaos, famine, intervention, and after 50 years there will be communism. The truth will be not 146 million, but a third less.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 23 June 2020 12: 06 New
                +2
                Be careful with the numbers, it suddenly turns out that over the past 20 years there has been a shortage.
              2. Malyuta
                Malyuta 23 June 2020 13: 08 New
                +3
                Quote: NEXUS
                Well, you can take Zimniy again, a shot from Peter the Great, and so on ... then civil war, chaos, famine, intervention, and after 50 years there will be communism. The truth will be not 146 million, but a third less.

                There will be no civil war! Do not confuse the nobility of the Republic of Ingushetia and the current baryzhy sharomig.
                I can’t stop repeating, shmutin is a PR product, not very smart, surprisingly greedy, a dog-bag holder, an average mid-club in Dresden, a good acquaintance of drug addict Zaldostanov-Sharov.
                1. To be or not to be
                  To be or not to be 23 June 2020 13: 22 New
                  +3
                  There will be no civil war! Don't be confused ... "
                  And where is the USSR? Then they didn’t think that his group of otzipentsev from the government would ruin
                  1. Malyuta
                    Malyuta 23 June 2020 13: 26 New
                    +3
                    Quote: To be or not to be
                    And where is the USSR? Then they didn’t think that his group of otzipentsev from the government would ruin

                    I analyzed the history of the dismemberment of the USSR and concluded that the people themselves were imprisoned for an external adversary and were completely unprepared for betrayal from the inside.
              3. kotvov
                kotvov 24 June 2020 16: 48 New
                -1
                True, we will no longer be 146 million, but a third less. ,,
                And you look carefully, they don’t even hide it — only in the month of April, 30 thousand died more than they were born. So another ten years of such a “reign”, and 100 million. Do not count.
          3. alone
            alone 23 June 2020 11: 34 New
            +4
            Quote: NEXUS
            Is there an alternative to Putin today?

            This thesis is fundamentally wrong .. In Russia with its 146 million people there is no one to replace the president? We all know that people are mortal ... Putin too ... if tomorrow he is gone, then everything? Destruction of the state?
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 23 June 2020 11: 35 New
              -7
              Quote: lonely
              This thesis is fundamentally wrong .. In Russia with its 146 million people there is no one to replace the president? We all know that people are mortal ... Putin too ... if tomorrow he is gone, then everything? Destruction of the state?

              So name an alternative adequate candidate out of the 146 million. Although I understand that in the kitchen for a beer we are all Chercheli, Stalin and De Gaulle ... and the new constitution, so that direct prosperity comes, it’s easy to scratch a piece of toilet paper in the kitchen in the kitchen with a glass of beer.
              1. alone
                alone 23 June 2020 12: 21 New
                +6
                Quote: NEXUS
                So name an alternative adequate candidate out of the 146 million.

                Is the person who determined 70% of the population, who has only 17000 rubles of income as the middle class, considered adequate? laughing

                The people should choose an alternative .. And for this, it is necessary to change the whole system .. We need the accountability of all power structures .. We need deep political reforms, we need an independent judiciary .. We need to fundamentally change the entire election code ..
                One change of the first person does not change anything ..
                Out of a dozen people, a candidate should choose the one he considers necessary. And this one should be afraid of their people, and not as it is now, when there are boyars and slaves
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno 23 June 2020 12: 26 New
                  0
                  // The person who determined 70% of the population, who has only 17000 rubles of income by the middle class, is considered adequate? Such adequately in Russia are fully fully laughing / _
                  I would be offended.
                  1. alone
                    alone 23 June 2020 12: 29 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Shahno
                    I would be offended.

                    Forgot to put quotes hi
                2. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 23 June 2020 13: 21 New
                  -2
                  Quote: lonely
                  Out of a dozen people, a candidate should choose the one he considers necessary. And this one should be afraid of their people, and not as it is now, when there are boyars and slaves

                  I absolutely agree hi and I can say that now in power, it is the serfs, whom ebnism allowed to float up and this slag needs to be eliminated, otherwise it will utilize us.
                3. To be or not to be
                  To be or not to be 23 June 2020 13: 28 New
                  -1
                  Do you want to get an oil well in the north of the country?
                  Are you ready to invest money in its development? Find a modern technology .technology. to lay oil pipelines. is it even better to build oil refining at your own expense? Do you have markets for it? If you have all this, then you will have significantly more than 17 thousand ...
                  Resources still need to be able to put into circulation and make a profit .. And on this build the state and somehow maintain the social sphere ...
                  1. Malyuta
                    Malyuta 23 June 2020 13: 36 New
                    -3
                    Quote: To be or not to be
                    And on this to build a state and somehow support the social sphere ...

                    If you do not steal, then there is enough money for everyone and everything!
                    1. Taga
                      Taga 26 June 2020 11: 20 New
                      +1
                      Not enough (unless you have acquired colonies that you can rob, you understand that for 146 million they will need a lot or they must be very rich), capital should increase. Therefore: the people (read the working people) are the new oil of Russia!
                  2. alone
                    alone 23 June 2020 13: 39 New
                    +3
                    In the world there is a good hundred countries that do not have these wells at all .. But they live the same .. And as for the resources and profits, and the construction of the state and social sphere .. there was a profit of 2.5 trillion dollars in net income from the sale of oil and gas ..and what has been done to launch other industries, at least for the domestic market? So far there have been no sanctions, nothing. And what has been done after the sanctions were programmatic
                  3. Taga
                    Taga 26 June 2020 11: 15 New
                    -1
                    This can be done by all the same people who DO it (and do not get profit from it) now, the question is how the profit will be distributed.
          4. Revival
            Revival 23 June 2020 12: 12 New
            -1
            Do you think Russia is doomed and not long left for it !?
            It's a pity..
            1. To be or not to be
              To be or not to be 23 June 2020 13: 31 New
              +1
              DO NOT WAIT! Russia - Phoenix!
              1. Revival
                Revival 23 June 2020 15: 58 New
                0
                So we do not expect this nexus thinks so.
                We analyze:
                1. Russia holds on to Putin at the head.
                2. All are mortal, and mortal quickly in comparing historical standards.
                Conclusion on the nexus: soon all of Russia ....
                Well, or a miracle ...

                Something like a sad forecast for him ..
          5. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 23 June 2020 13: 20 New
            -2
            Quote: NEXUS
            I do not drown for Putin, but ... I personally today do not see a comparable alternative to him.

            Well, the time will come and your indispensable will be picked up ... What's next?
            These constitutional amendments - dead poultice ...
          6. qQQQ
            qQQQ 23 June 2020 14: 52 New
            +5
            Quote: NEXUS
            Is there an alternative to Putin today

            But this is Putin’s main flaw - the sweeping of the political space around him. Look at what this led Ukraine to, when the Natsiks were eager for power, there was not a single real alternative, it turned out either they or Yanukovych, and they wanted him even less than the first.
          7. Private89
            Private89 24 June 2020 12: 14 New
            +1
            Is there an alternative to Putin today?

            That the hero must come and save everyone, and not in any other way. Only one person at the head of state can change everything.
            Maybe it's time to move away from this logic. Maybe all the same, not the King, not God and not Hero. Maybe power should not be built from above, but from bottom to top. Form advice in them and look for people to manage, there they will manifest themselves. We are not a stupid people, and we need not say that he himself is not able to know what is good for him and is not able to arrange his life, and he needs some kind of respected, it is not clear the truth in what circles people are in order to manage these stupid people little people. Sometimes you go talking to a taxi driver, and it seems that he assesses the situation in the country much more adequately than all senators and governors, and you say Putin. It will be necessary to find people; they just need to be searched, but this government obviously does not have such a task, rather, on the contrary, negative selective selection.
            1. Taga
              Taga 26 June 2020 11: 29 New
              0
              Yes you in any way the communist ?! Do you understand the interests of how many people this can affect? People who have the strength and means of their (their interests) to defend.
              As the poet said: "Steal, give bribes, even kill, Only respect respected people."
      4. unaha
        unaha 23 June 2020 10: 22 New
        +1
        "Now it will begin" - but nothing will begin.
        The situation is chewed to the smallest detail, conclusions are drawn. The vast majority decided on the position, as well as on the understanding that nothing depends on their position.
        The topic has exhausted itself.
      5. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 23 June 2020 10: 52 New
        -7
        There will be no debate) someone will throw someone a nasty thing to write. The culture of communication at HE has long been a rarity.
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    3. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 23 June 2020 10: 53 New
      13
      Quote: Terenin
      Reade set Go!

      And you all hihanki, Terebenkin.
    4. flicker
      flicker 23 June 2020 12: 34 New
      -10
      Reade set Go!
      Now "not continuing a hundred anti-puppets on VO" will begin their lamentations. laughing
      We read, "get high". bully
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 23 June 2020 14: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: flicker
        Now "not continuing a hundred anti-puppets on VO" will begin their lamentations.

        The main thing is that the “nullified” thousand “Putiners” at VO could explain to other users what your “idol” had done, that there was no substitute for him - the fabulous and only one in all of Russia.
        We didn’t listen to his pre-election debates, we don’t know how many units from “huge plans” turned into a full-fledged “top ten”.
    5. antivirus
      antivirus 23 June 2020 14: 27 New
      0
      140 coms from independents from no one or anything. Everything is still ahead, and a trick, and a new team from new aces. Any structural reorganization of the economy and political systems --- a crisis from which we will come out stronger - whose account?
  2. Tatyana Sementsova
    Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 09: 43 New
    +4
    Guys, why don’t you get over it? Do you want to vote, do not want do not vote. Like the work of the government and Putin, vote for him in the election, find a real candidate for his place, choose him. I would choose someone, because someone has been in power for a long time, just idiocy.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 June 2020 09: 50 New
      -8
      To spite grandmother's ears frostbite.
    2. Region68
      Region68 23 June 2020 09: 51 New
      10
      Any worthy candidate we roll in the mud .. This is very well learned to do
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 23 June 2020 10: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Region68
        Any worthy candidate we roll in the mud .. This is very well learned to do

        Anyone will be dumped, drowned, rotted by the democrats. Trump, whether he is bad or good, is not for us to judge, but look at how a pack of jackals and vultures pounced on him, they tear him from all sides, even a small "orange" revolution was staged.
      2. Tatyana Sementsova
        Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 10: 28 New
        -1
        And you find one to which the dirt does not stick! Until now, these candidates initially smelled foul, why else bother him? I think to replace Putin, there is no need to look frantically. Such a person himself must be formed, thanks to his work in the government. His people must know. And then everyone who is not lazy is climbing, and some generally for the sake of fun ....
        1. Region68
          Region68 23 June 2020 13: 06 New
          +7
          Initially, for that matter, and Putin did not smell violets ..
          He escaped from the Communist Party and the KGB, in 91 having crossed over to liberals Yeltsin and Sobachka, there were some investigations into his affairs in St. Petersburg ..
          1. Pessimist22
            Pessimist22 23 June 2020 15: 55 New
            +3
            By the way, the lawyer when he was accused in St. Petersburg was Medvedev.
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 23 June 2020 14: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
          Such a person himself must be formed, thanks to his work in the government.

          You, madam, somehow sort out your fantasies. Where did you see in the Russian government a “self-formed” worthy presidential candidate?
          Neither Lenin nor Stalin were neither in the royal court nor in the interim government ...
          Can you tell us or give us a link to a description of his (GDP) activities after the demarche from the GDR and the withdrawal from the Communist Party until Mr. Kirienko introduced him (I love, I don’t know why, this is a reduction)?
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        3. Taga
          Taga 26 June 2020 12: 01 New
          0
          To live with wolves is to howl like a wolf. Government is not a place for outsiders! They don’t take strangers there! it will be able to produce someone different from itself ...
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 23 June 2020 10: 30 New
        0
        Who do you mean here? Do not want to wallow in the mud, do not go to the candidates.
        The candidate is always alone. I think in order to save money, this candidate should be immediately selected for the first or second term, immediately until 2036.
        1. Region68
          Region68 23 June 2020 11: 03 New
          +2
          Yes, immediately dress the Monomakh hat, hold the scepter and the power in your hands and announce * pipe dreams * .. What’s
        2. Region68
          Region68 23 June 2020 11: 16 New
          +4
          Grudinin for example .. On all sides he was good until they saw that he was a real electoral candidate .. And they started to wet from all trunks
          1. Tatyana Sementsova
            Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 13: 32 New
            -1
            He sold his property in the Baltic states? Do not fool your head dear ....
            1. Region68
              Region68 23 June 2020 13: 47 New
              +5
              Did he have it?
              1. Tatyana Sementsova
                Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 14: 13 New
                -1
                Yes it was and there ...... For earlier, people took care of the airfield ...... And the accounts abroad were ...... Just like Gorbachev !!! Is this the only one you can offer? Or is there someone else?
                1. Region68
                  Region68 23 June 2020 14: 36 New
                  +2
                  Proof is about his property in the Baltic states?
                  1. Tatyana Sementsova
                    Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 16: 19 New
                    0
                    Everything was published and you saw everything yourself and you know everything, unless of course you live in Russia.
                    1. Region68
                      Region68 23 June 2020 17: 51 New
                      +1
                      I saw that his son is .. Insofar as he is married to a citizen of Latvia .. Or Lithuania, I don’t remember .. But I didn’t hear about anything .. Share
                      1. Tatyana Sementsova
                        Tatyana Sementsova 24 June 2020 07: 23 New
                        -2
                        Ask Zyuganov ..... what Great, he framed himself with this Grudinin .......
                      2. kotvov
                        kotvov 24 June 2020 16: 59 New
                        +2
                        Take an interest in Zyuganov ..... what Great he framed himself with this Grudinin ...... ,,
                        Poor-poor Tanya from Moldova. Do you even know (or do they not show 1 channel in Moldova?) That the CEC, a week before the election, confirmed that it had clean accounts and no real estate (otherwise it would not have been allowed before the election). In general, as usual with Kremlin bots: the left leg does not know what the right hand is doing.
                      3. Tatyana Sementsova
                        Tatyana Sementsova 25 June 2020 07: 03 New
                        -1
                        Where are you broadcasting from (patriot)?
                        wassat
                      4. kotvov
                        kotvov 25 June 2020 11: 10 New
                        +1
                        I, I’m broadcasting, from the house that, patriot, Putin has turned into a place of earnings, for my friends. But you, most likely, are from the state-owned house, for which you regularly receive a salary.
                      5. Tatyana Sementsova
                        Tatyana Sementsova 25 June 2020 12: 30 New
                        -2
                        But for me, why pay for a voice for the sake of peace and a normal life .... That you need to pay so that you carry nonsense and try to believe you ..... laughing
                        Look, the Ukrainians believed ........ They immediately put on the "skorokhod" boots ... They have been running, jumping and screaming for 6 years already ... laughing They castrated themselves with the victory parade, the Nazis are welcomed ...... Well, here you have a plus of course ...... They made people cool ... good
                      6. kotvov
                        kotvov 25 June 2020 13: 34 New
                        +1
                        Yes, they do not appreciate you, not here in the manual. You try, maybe they promise something else. Today I don’t feed trolls anymore, spin on the side.
                2. Tatyana Sementsova
                  Tatyana Sementsova 25 June 2020 07: 20 New
                  -1
                  Unfortunately, we have all the channels broadcast. Also, a large half of Transnistria has Russian citizenship, and back in 2006, in a referendum, 97% of the population voted to join the Russian Federation .... If you are such a smart, subtle, knowledgeable and educated person. you should have known it .... Although, judging by your boorish remarks addressed to me, you should not talk about decency and education, in your case.
                3. kotvov
                  kotvov 25 June 2020 11: 13 New
                  +1
                  That is, you don’t know the issue and spread slander. Why are you zaputintsy so deceitful?
                4. Tatyana Sementsova
                  Tatyana Sementsova 25 June 2020 11: 23 New
                  -1
                  And I consider you, the mattresses, the standard of lies ...... And then what?
                5. kotvov
                  kotvov 25 June 2020 11: 50 New
                  +1
                  And of course you can prove that I am a “mattress pad”. I have presented your lie, present mine. They train you badly, although you think they’re gaining from the street. Hence the result.
                6. Tatyana Sementsova
                  Tatyana Sementsova 25 June 2020 12: 33 New
                  -3
                  Ha ha ha ha !!! He quarreled with himself, reconciled everyone won !!!!! Good girl !!!! Go for a bonus !!!!! Well, you damn svidomity and funny ..... wassat
                7. Tatyana Sementsova
                  Tatyana Sementsova 25 June 2020 12: 49 New
                  -2
                  "" "" "" "" LET'S PLAY IN CASINO!
                  Come on! HOW IS IT?
                  LODGES OF MONEY.
                  ALL YOU LOST ....... "" ""


                  HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!! And you get paid for this crap? wassat
                8. kotvov
                  kotvov 25 June 2020 13: 26 New
                  +2
                  So I wonder what they pay you for? As they say, not crazy, not fantasy. What, you can’t keep up with one post? And most importantly, I noticed that all the Putriots suddenly began to write from distant countries. Is it your trend or has it come from above?
                9. Tatyana Sementsova
                  Tatyana Sementsova 25 June 2020 13: 34 New
                  -2
                  And what in distant countries people can not laugh at you? The circus left, but the clowns remained ......
                  Okay. It’s not interesting with you. You are a sort of unicellular ...... Good luck with your hard work. hi
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 June 2020 14: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
    He sold his property in the Baltic states? Do not fool your head, dear ...

    Do not tell us who owns the real estate in the cooperative Lake?
    And whose daughters do business in ...?
    Stop telling us tales of Grudinin. Just look at the state farm he created.
    What did Putin create before 1998? Dispersed the German crowd from the clubhouse? But he even wanted to get a taxi driver ... But then, quite unexpectedly, Anatoly Alexandrovich took him directly from the street and entrusted him with violent activity ... True, we don’t know which one ... We heard about case No. 144128. But, it’s fools ... It cannot be.
    There are many decent people with a strong will and a transparent past. They are more beloved to us ... repeat
    1. Tatyana Sementsova
      Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 16: 20 New
      -2
      Another finger to the sky .... Your transparent names, are there any? lol
  • qQQQ
    qQQQ 23 June 2020 14: 58 New
    -2
    Quote: Region68
    Grudinin for example .. On all sides he was good until they saw that he was a real electoral candidate .. And they started to wet from all trunks

    Yes, he was put forward because it was "a snout in the fluff." Every candidate with us is "obliged" to have a stop-cock, crossed the line - they pulled it right away. It is for this reason that elections are held with a predetermined result, the people are guaranteed to vote for whoever they need.
    1. Tatyana Sementsova
      Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 16: 23 New
      -1
      I completely agree!!!! Therefore, we must look for transparent, clean, not messy !!! Here they write to me that there are such ..... True, no one has seen them ....... laughing
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 23 June 2020 16: 25 New
        -2
        Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
        Here they write to me that there are such ..... True, no one has seen them ...

        Lucky I have not even heard of such.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 23 June 2020 10: 53 New
    -5
    So do not initially get into it.
    1. Region68
      Region68 23 June 2020 11: 15 New
      +3
      Not even at all ..
      It’s enough just from the state’s aaganda to throw more dirt on the candidate .. that nothing will stick ..
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 23 June 2020 12: 04 New
        -3
        Power struggle technologies are huge. And dirty. You can’t handle it and don’t have to go there. It’s as if only the authorities are doing this, yeah. Any election has always come down to this and will come down to it. Even school choices are no different. These are the rules of the game. And one must either accept them or forget about such a career. Choose a candidate and prepare him for reptiles. Take him all the way from the bottom. And not to miss the first one and patch up holes in his biography.
        1. Region68
          Region68 23 June 2020 12: 29 New
          +3
          Ha ha..A don’t you remember the story of how Dorenko wet Primakov on Channel 1 .. What kind of holes did Primakov have there?
          1. qQQQ
            qQQQ 23 June 2020 15: 04 New
            -1
            Quote: Region68
            Ha ha..A don’t you remember the story of how Dorenko wet Primakov on Channel 1 .. What kind of holes did Primakov have there?

            In general, of course, he was disgusted with him, but on the other hand, he, as a candidate, had to show his will and fighting qualities, and it upset me that Primakov quickly gave up, maybe he could not be president?
            1. Region68
              Region68 23 June 2020 15: 54 New
              +1
              Naturally surrendered .. The yielding oligarchy relied on Putin, where there was Primakov to fight them
              1. qQQQ
                qQQQ 23 June 2020 15: 57 New
                0
                Quote: Region68
                Naturally surrendered ..

                My message is that the future president should not give up.
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 23 June 2020 15: 08 New
            -1
            It's not about their availability. Life is complicated. And how your team can calculate and stop threats. I repeat, these are the rules of the game. You accept them or live a more relaxed life. We still have an institute of elections that is young but reach the point that there will be whole dynasties of politicians in the states. When you are a child, you will begin to get ready for such a career. If you think that everything will be there according to the rules of honor, then it’s better to remove the elections altogether. This will not happen. The intrigues of spying dirty linen since the days of ancient Rome on the move.
            1. Region68
              Region68 23 June 2020 15: 51 New
              0
              Let’s cook, who is against .. But Obama had a dad as a politician? And what about Trump? And with Clinton? Can you tell us about these dynasties of politicians?
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 23 June 2020 16: 16 New
                -2
                Bushes. Kennedy. Roosevelts. Harrison, Adams. But these are only those who became presidents. At the level below, whole families are there. Learn in the best places. Do not stain the reputation of families. I am not saying that we should strive for this. It’s just that it will be an evolutionary way. I don’t even doubt it.
                1. Region68
                  Region68 23 June 2020 16: 31 New
                  0
                  Of the last 7 presidents, only Bushes .. The rest * from the people * ..
                  So it doesn't roll
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 23 June 2020 16: 46 New
                    -1
                    Doesn’t roll that?) Dynasties are not 100 percent of the elite. This is just an example of how this happens. There are a bunch of other cousins ​​of other relatives. In each state, there is practically a family that somehow delivers and influences senators to this state.
                2. Region68
                  Region68 23 June 2020 16: 32 New
                  +1
                  Well, in general, it’s clear .. Okay, let Putin sit up to 90 years old and then you’ll look at his granddaughter
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 23 June 2020 16: 49 New
                    -1
                    Yes, I somehow do not care. You go. Or Vasya Pupkin. I just said that the presidents and the authorities in general are a matter of a lifetime and that no one has money or opportunities to get in from the street. This is all accumulated over a lifetime.
                  2. Region68
                    Region68 23 June 2020 17: 49 New
                    +2
                    That’s what you think .. And there are a lot of presidents who have fulfilled the deadlines set for them and quietly left as required by law .. And nothing, heaven did not go down to earth in these countries .. and we are all looking for someone to fall on their knees and that would he ruled us until his death
                  3. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 23 June 2020 17: 52 New
                    -1
                    What does it have to do with it? I didn’t even say a word about the deadlines. I repeat, I don’t care
                  4. Region68
                    Region68 23 June 2020 18: 15 New
                    +1
                    What are you talking about then?))
  • qQQQ
    qQQQ 23 June 2020 15: 00 New
    -3
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Take him all the way from the bottom. And not to miss the first one and patch up holes in his biography.

    Very sensible reasoning, it’s not clear why they are minus.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 23 June 2020 15: 10 New
      -1
      Do not pay attention) this is how it works here)
  • Tatyana Sementsova
    Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 13: 34 New
    -1
    Well, here many people throw dirt at Putin ....... So what? They stopped believing him? He is not chosen? People look at work .....
    1. Region68
      Region68 23 June 2020 13: 48 New
      +5
      100 people are sitting here .. And millions are watching TV .. And by the way, even here you can see that the attitude towards him is changing
      1. Tatyana Sementsova
        Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 14: 05 New
        -2
        Ha ha ha ha! It is on this site that the majority and spread rot on Putin! They write different nonsense in the hope that they will be able to convince the majority of Russians ... I do not know what this is connected with, I can only guess, but there are rumors that the number of people present and broadcasting here, in general, have not been related to Russia for a long time ... .. On every occasion and for no reason, screeching and howling are raised! Russia is being sawed! Russia is being cut !!! They are robbing! And everything is in the same spirit .... It's funny to read all this ..... But this movement of "patriots" of Russia cheers up !!!! laughing
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 June 2020 15: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
      Well, here many people throw dirt at Putin ....... So what? They stopped believing him?

      Yes you are drunk, as your co-gentleman:
      Quote: carstorm 11
      choose a candidate and cook him with reptiles.

      We love Vladimir Vladimirovich, how could we be without him. Each of us can say in the words of Novoseltsev:

      I can’t believe the person who promises to raise the salary of medical workers (middle staff) to the average for the region in 2018, but he raised it only for himself ...
      What else to believe? In the creation of 25 million high-tech jobs? Or during the “temporary” abolition of indexation of pensions to working pensioners? In increased life expectancy? Is it enough 000 000 rubles a month for a comfortable existence? In reducing the apparatus of government officials? In reducing the cost of maintaining the president and his servants?
      Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
      Ha ha ha ha! It is on this site that most of Putin’s spread rot!

      Well you know! Enough! You have no shame, no conscience! Liberal, you, ours, are a "diberalochka." Unfortunate guarantor ... crying They drove him into VO ... Recently, some people in the country have developed apathy for this person and his statements. This is a very bad sign. We are so brought up from childhood that a big boss has no right to lie publicly. And everyone understands his eloquence regarding amendments and other situations. Let him do his job, and we will do what we consider necessary.
      Today, on the lake, one wise representative reported to the children that they had come to swim unaccompanied by their parents (they swam at shallow waters, and the company included older teens and a woman). So he issued the “correct” statement:
      “I was also small and I also wanted to go for a swim in the river. If you want to go to the lake - ask your father or mother to go with you ... " belay
      One pity. This uncle does not know that adults earn money on weekdays, and they usually have vacations in the winter, or even not at all ... repeat
  • mdsr
    mdsr 23 June 2020 11: 01 New
    +4
    Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
    Children

    Thanks at least for not kids
    Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
    I like the work of the government and Putin

    Oh, yes, we are directly writing boiling water with happiness that we have such a brilliant government and such a brilliant president.
    Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
    find a real candidate in his place, choose him

    Such Putin and his gang on a cannon shot are not allowed up to the election. Election without a choice is a profanity of elections. It is not possible to change Putin and his gang of buckets through elections, not because the people respect them so much, but because the election institution does not work at all.
    Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
    It’s only to choose someone, because someone has been in power for a long time, just idiocy

    Honey, idiocy is a slide into totalitarianism, from which mankind has been chosen for centuries, giving millions of victims for it. The civilized world has long concluded that it is better to endure a weak president for 4 years and choose a different one than get a slide into totalitarianism, repression and degradation. We stayed with a bear with an iPhone for 4 years and what, are we all dead? We would have quietly chosen after him in 2012 another and nothing terrible would have happened. That's just one bad type grabbed hands and feet for power, washing the brains of propaganda with the electorate raped the country's most basic law for personal power, and he wanted to spit on the country, the people and future generations. Here we have such a sad result, once trusting this type.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 June 2020 11: 29 New
      -4
      Bunny, you already decide: totalitarianism with us or liberals in power?
    2. Tatyana Sementsova
      Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 13: 38 New
      -5
      Do you really want to jump a cat? Well, put your candidate in the presidency and download as many as you like! Higher! Farther! Wider! In the meantime, normal people are in power, you will have to ride at night on your balconies and gardens ... good
  • Clear
    Clear 23 June 2020 11: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
    Выбирать ski who, because someone has been in power for a long time, just idiocy.

    So I thought, what, after all, are Germans and idiots request ,
    Otto Bimark, was elected Reich Chancellor of the German Empire - four times (19 years),
    Helmut Kohl, Chancellor of Germany - 16 years old,
    Angela Merkel, Federal Chancellor of Germany - 20 years ...

    Although... winked from Moldova we know better whom and how much to choose.
    1. Tatyana Sementsova
      Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 13: 42 New
      -4
      Yes, probably more visible .... Precisely because we have clowns in power. And we worry about Russia because many have Russian citizenship ... And if in Russia something like Sobchak appears in power, everything, the world has disappeared!
      1. Clear
        Clear 23 June 2020 20: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: Tatyana Sementsova
        Yes, probably more visible .... Precisely because we have clowns in power. And we worry about Russia because many have Russian citizenship ... And if in Russia something like Sobchak appears in power, everything, the world has disappeared!

        Tatyana, it was so hard to understand your idea from the sentence
        Quote: Clear
        I would choose someone, because someone has been in power for a long time, just idiocy.
        . Don't you think? hi
        1. Tatyana Sementsova
          Tatyana Sementsova 24 June 2020 07: 45 New
          +1
          Well, I could not! I could not! Write easier ... laughing repeat
          1. Clear
            Clear 24 June 2020 17: 41 New
            0
            Quote: Tatyana Sementsova
            Well, I could not! I could not! Write easier ... laughing repeat

            It's okay, Tatyana, laughing learn fast here yes
  • Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 23 June 2020 11: 54 New
    15
    Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
    find a real candidate in his place, choose him.

    Do not give karstromy, asiivanov and other torquemanders, of whom a couple dozen here ..

    They can’t be driven away from the trough by legal methods, they stuck to the budget tightly ...
    1. Tatyana Sementsova
      Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 13: 43 New
      -4
      You didn’t get a place ???? Well have to bother ..
  • Alexy
    Alexy 23 June 2020 15: 29 New
    +2
    But the point is not that Putin has been in power for a long time. The point is that a whole system of irremovable kings has developed in all areas of our lives. And this is all the result of the fact that nothing changes above. Putin’s environment is very convenient and comfortable in the current conditions and they don’t want to change anything. This is approximately the same as it was under Brezhnev. How it all ended, we all know very well.
    1. Tatyana Sementsova
      Tatyana Sementsova 24 June 2020 07: 43 New
      -1
      Have you personally stolen something from Putin and his comrades? Do you enter the Kremlin and know how and who is stealing there? Where does Putin hide his stolen money in a pillow? Or translates into offshore? Of course, I'm sorry, but you are nonsense ..... I do not like Putin, re-elect him in the next election! I think all those whom he robbed will vote against him .... Or start now to tell that the vote will be rigged?
    2. Tatyana Sementsova
      Tatyana Sementsova 24 June 2020 07: 51 New
      -2
      Those who are close to the "emperor" have always stolen and everywhere in the whole world ..... But this does not mean that Putin is a bad president. This can be seen in his work. And those who steal must be found, raised publicly this topic, brought evidence and imprisoned! There is even nothing to argue about.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 23 June 2020 09: 45 New
    +2
    The author, in a peculiar ironic vein, reports that all amendments can be divided into three main groups as applied to the president of the country: First: “I want to rule longer”, second: “I want more power”, third: “Any garbage so that people rejoice”
    Well, actually, you don't have to watch the video. The whole intrigue was "killed".
    1. Jcvai
      Jcvai 23 June 2020 09: 49 New
      -4
      So it’s good: you don’t have to spend time on advertising, grating, demonstrating smart views on the camera, etc. To read briefly and succinctly in the text is enough.
      And then the "generation of video bloggers" has divorced: they have learned to grimace at the lens, but not to write competent texts.
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 23 June 2020 09: 52 New
        -7
        Quote: JcVai
        So this is good: no need to waste time

        Absolutely agree with you.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 23 June 2020 10: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: JcVai
        So it’s good: you don’t have to spend time on advertising, grating, demonstrating smart views on the camera, etc.

        No, without money, without a field and streets, without infantry - there is no way to make a revolution. Feathers should fly in all directions.
  • Region68
    Region68 23 June 2020 09: 50 New
    +2
    He once said that if you stay in power for a long time, you can go crazy .. That's ....
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 23 June 2020 09: 54 New
      -1
      Why are you so offended by him?
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 June 2020 10: 43 New
      +4
      Oh, he said a lot of things in 20 years. The saddest thing is that he contradicts himself and is not responsible for his words. Autocracy was drawn ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 23 June 2020 10: 13 New
    -1
    They threw fun or fun to the people ... it's like perceiving all this action. So everything is very serious, but personal perception ... varies from person to person.
    By the way, the vote will not show anything, although it will be called the next landmark event ... pf-e.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 23 June 2020 11: 14 New
      -7
      Quote: rocket757
      By the way, voting will not show anything

      This is completely wrong. Voting will show:
      - The trust of the people of power and personally to Putin;
      - the degree of influence of foreign agents on political processes in Russia;
      - are we ready to rule our own country or not.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 June 2020 11: 38 New
        +9
        Quote: Boris55
        - The trust of the people of power and personally to Putin;

        there is no unity between the upper and lower, there is no trust, for many, to the authorities, to all kinds of commissions, to the election incentive ... and much more. There are serious reasons for people.
        Quote: Boris55
        - the degree of influence of foreign agents on political processes in Russia;

        influence from the very top and most "outstanding" of its representatives is many, many, more, foreign brethren here and there did not stand nearby ... it has its own permanent contingent, very limited in comparison with all the others.
        Quote: Boris55
        - are we ready to rule our own country or not.

        the question is not even funny ... see point one, two, I can add a fifth, a tenth ...
        In the country there is no unity between population groups, within population groups, those who nest on the top and they get down from there rule ... yes, never and never! only a powerful kick, but there is SOMEONE to give it!
        Everything and everything will remain the same.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 23 June 2020 11: 53 New
          -6
          Quote: rocket757
          there is no unity between the upper and lower

          On the 2nd of day we are announcing the results and we will see which of us is right.

          Quote: rocket757
          influence from the top and most "outstanding" of its representatives is many, many, more, foreign brethren here and there were not

          Why did you decide that our government does not have the right to influence its citizens, is it really allowed only to them?

          Quote: rocket757
          Everything and everything will remain the same.

          Do you want everything to remain as it is? Me not.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 June 2020 12: 21 New
            +3
            Quote: Boris55
            Do you want everything to remain as it is? Me not.

            Everything will be .... nothing will change fundamentally, the color of the facades and all that sort of stuff DOES NOT MATTER! But at least you will find OTHERWISE, send the address, I will send you a good brandy or chacha, home 3-5 years of aging.
            Quote: Boris55
            Why did you decide that our government does not have the right to influence its citizens, is it really allowed only to them?

            A fundamental error in your assessment of the very essence of the relationship between CITIZENS and those to whom they DELEGATED some powers.
            Of course, these are dreams and fairy tales, but some of the citizens REMEMBER that this is REALLY ACTUAL, and not because THEY understand this / blow the average person in the ears.
            Quote: Boris55
            On the 2nd of day we are announcing the results and we will see which of us is right.

            read the first paragraph of the previous message ... about trust in bodies and others.
            We will see how they calculate ....
            But all the same, I believe that they will receive the MOST of those who voted and recognize this as legitimate. By the way, I have nothing against it, simply because it does not matter, AT ALL!
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 23 June 2020 12: 43 New
              -5
              Quote: rocket757
              But at least you will find OTHERWISE, send the address, I will send you a good brandy or chacha, home 3-5 years of aging.

              Just don't expect the changes to come right on the 2nd. The Duma has a lot of work to do on "adjusting" many laws to the changes introduced.

              For the offer to send a gift, thank you, but not worth it, especially since I do not use drugs (alcohol, tobacco).

              Quote: rocket757
              relations of CITIZENS and those to whom they DELEGATED some powers.

              We chose the Duma and we elected the president. These are two authorities that have equal rights to the mandate from the people, but pursue completely different policies towards their voters. Current dialogue from the Korean TV series, revealing the actions of the president in relation to the "elite":



              Quote: rocket757
              simply because it doesn't matter, AT ALL!

              If this were so, the whole "our" progressive crowd would not be so excited. They smell what it smells like.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 23 June 2020 12: 57 New
                +2
                Quote: Boris55
                For the offer to send a gift, thank you, but not worth it, especially since I do not use drugs (alcohol, tobacco).

                I can’t send you flowers ....
                Quote: Boris55
                If this were so, the whole "our" progressive crowd would not be so excited. They smell what it smells like.

                Yes, she is excited regularly and for any reason, relevant and empty. They need to prove from the contrary ... the main thing is to convince everyone and everyone, how bad it is and even worse for us that we need to replace these top ones with ourselves, our beloved ones, white ones and fluffy ones. This is of little interest to anyone, but they also need to work out thirty silverfish, while they still give it.
                And now the MOST IMPORTANT - I can only care about changes that will benefit my people, the motherland, and everything else is secondary.
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 23 June 2020 11: 57 New
      -3
      They threw fun or fun to the people ... it's like perceiving all this action. So everything is very serious, but personal perception ... varies from person to person.
      That's for sure. And I'm going to vote !!! They will give me a personalized ballpoint pen and after bringing it home I will place it on a small pedestal. On one side of it I will write "My voice saved Russia." On the other side I will write "My voice finished off Russia." And let history judge. For there is no understanding - why so? why so and not like that? What pitfalls are covered by this urgency? Nicht is not clear ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 June 2020 12: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: NDR-791
        For there is no understanding - why so? why so, not commercials? What pitfalls does such urgency cover? Nothing is clear ...

        That’s exactly what I don’t really understand ... why did you hurry?
        Restore the country, if, and so the entire legislative framework is.
        To fight off enemies, if, too, everything must be spelled out!
        A Schaub people serve, and not all sorts of different ... also everything must be spelled out!
        WHY???
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 June 2020 10: 23 New
    +1
    The video is interesting. I’ll add, the voting starts from June 25.06 to 1.07, plus interviewers will go home, you can also vote via the Internet. Do you still think this is all legal?
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 23 June 2020 11: 05 New
      -7
      Quote: Gardamir
      You can vote via the Internet. Do you still think this is all legal?

      And what law prohibits doing this? No such thing means legal!
      Here is another video in the topic:

      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 23 June 2020 11: 35 New
        +5
        Sorry, Boris, but this is a typical liberal opinion. All that liberals should be in accordance with the law, for liberals do not have such a concept as conscience.
        To be honest, lying and stealing is not good. But there is no law prohibiting lying.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 23 June 2020 11: 41 New
          -8
          Quote: Gardamir
          All that liberals should be under the law

          hi The law is an agreement of all citizens on peaceful coexistence with each other. What happens when the law does not work, when there is no agreement in society - we look at Ukraine of the 2014th year.

          The Constitution is the basic law of the country that defines the rules of our relationship. There was a Soviet Constitution - they lived like that, accepted the State Department - we live that way.

          After the amendments enter into force, the rules will be rewritten, many laws will be changed. We will live differently. Or are you happy with everything and you still think that our fate is to be a gas station in the West?
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 23 June 2020 11: 44 New
            +3
            Let's wait a year, what will you tell me about the gas station.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 23 June 2020 11: 49 New
              -12
              Quote: Gardamir
              Let's wait a year, what will you tell me about the gas station.

              We will continue to trade in what Mother Nature generously endowed us with, but this will not be the main source of income in our budget, provided that the amendments are adopted. The current constitution holds back our development. It was bearable while we were gaining strength. Further - not where.
    2. mdsr
      mdsr 23 June 2020 11: 10 New
      -1
      Quote: Gardamir
      Do you still think this is all legal?

      In such a situation, the only way to preserve your dignity is not to participate in this clowning organized for the sake of one particular person. In the elections, I always called to go and cast my vote for the one for whom I want. But in this circus performance under the nasty name plebiscite we can only act as clowns, because there is no way to track the integrity of the calculations. This is my deep conviction, but by no means an appeal. In no case can you call, because these bastards have adopted a bunch of anti-people laws, that even for the call you can get lule. But nothing, as they say, the closer the end of power, the crazier the laws it adopts. So the current mockery of the constitution is a vivid confirmation of this.
  • Muddy Seeing ORACLE
    Muddy Seeing ORACLE 23 June 2020 10: 25 New
    -2
    It was just necessary to prescribe in the Constitution of the Russian Federation on the transfer of power without any democratic excesses ...
    And it’s business, and then everyone is looking at the people, but the people are not grateful to him all is not enough ... lol
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 23 June 2020 11: 51 New
      +3
      This all reminds me of the Manifesto of October 17, 1905 ... and especially what they did to the Duma after the adoption of the Manifesto ... But they prefer not to remember this ... They only remember how the Bolsheviks dispersed Urechilka ... and cry laughing
  • Shahno
    Shahno 23 June 2020 10: 25 New
    -4
    From my point of view, the Constitution is used a little ... In the pursuit of the goals of some politicians.
    And we have no Constitution and no temptation ..
    There is a Torah. But she’s not sorry for 50 years, she’s an adult ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 23 June 2020 10: 31 New
    -1
    However .. No, then everything is clear and without explanation ... Interesting, let's say, let's say. Most will vote against. What then? The law doesn’t say that about the vote. Will the amendments be adopted? It turns out that yes, the deputies of the Federal Assembly are representatives the people, these are those who accepted, the deputies of assemblies of subjects of identity also claimed representatives of the people ...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 23 June 2020 11: 32 New
      -4
      Quote: parusnik
      The law does not say this about voting.

      Do not mislead people. We read the Law (http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/news/62988):

      "... If according to the results of the all-Russian vote changes in the Constitution of the Russian Federation will support more than half of citizenswho will take part in it, then changesprovided for by the Law on Amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation in chapters 3–8 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, will come into force."
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 23 June 2020 14: 29 New
        +1
        I'm talking about if they vote against, the amendments will not enter into force? ... And the decision of the Federal Assembly and the meetings of the subjects will also have no effect? ​​Read FZ-33
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 24 June 2020 07: 33 New
          -2
          Quote: parusnik
          And the decision of the FS and meetings of the subjects will also have no power whatsoever?

          Yes. Putin signed the law, but with the above clause. Without a positive decision of the president and its publication, the law will not enter into force.
  • A.TOR
    A.TOR 23 June 2020 10: 35 New
    +6
    Unhappy and has no future is a country in which there is only 146 "worthy" out of 1 million people
    1. Tatyana Sementsova
      Tatyana Sementsova 23 June 2020 11: 03 New
      0
      Right! We must take an example from Ukraine !!!! There are many candidates !!!! Only now they have chosen the second one and it’s getting worse and worse .... Well, if the president also became poor as a people. But still the opposite! The people are poor and the president is growing on the Forbes list .... They chose the second, it’s good that there are a lot of them. Chose the clown. Is it more fun? Has something changed for the better? No, it only got worse ..... Do you want to do the same in Russia? Just because who really does something sensible for the country, for people, has been in power for a long time? Would you like to return to the 90s? And how will the chip lie there?
      I don’t want to leave such an inheritance to my children. I want to be sure about tomorrow. With Putin, however pathetic it may sound, there is such confidence. And while this confidence is there, let it rule !!!
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 23 June 2020 11: 17 New
        +1
        That's it, you wrote it right and the example is correct. It is strange that the people do not want to understand that the matter is not in the presidents, but in the state structure. And by voting anyone, just not "he" can do such things. It is easy to break, but to create a new one is very difficult. Ukraine is an example of this.
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 23 June 2020 11: 19 New
          -1
          Do not count for ... And there is a graph of the state unit ...
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 23 June 2020 11: 35 New
            +1
            I’m not talking about the amendments, I’m talking about the fact that Ivanov, Petrov or Sidorov work as presidents in the existing legal field of the state. The bad thing is to re-elect, and if the activity is successful for the state, what, re-elect too?
          2. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 23 June 2020 12: 28 New
            0
            The Constitution is the document describing the structure of the state.
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 23 June 2020 11: 31 New
          0
          AlexGa (Alexander).... Yes, you are right. The people do not understand their happiness ... laughing
      2. Region68
        Region68 23 June 2020 11: 22 New
        +1
        I apologize and what became worse with how you express the advent of the clown
      3. parusnik
        parusnik 23 June 2020 11: 30 New
        0
        With Putin, however pathetic it may sound, there is such confidence. And while this confidence is there, let it rule !!!
        ... Would be crowned or something .... It would be completely deceased laughing
      4. Oleg Skvortsov
        Oleg Skvortsov 23 June 2020 11: 32 New
        +2
        Tatyana. And why is the example from Ukraine, and not from Uganda? or not with Switzerland? I just do not care about Ukraine, as your pathos, about the fact that you want caviar with a black spoon under Putin. Perhaps there are budget bins to rake from there?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 23 June 2020 13: 14 New
          -2
          Ukraine is the country closest to us in terms of the mentality of citizens. Therefore, the example with Ukraine is correct, but not with Uganda. With a greater degree of probability, events will develop here, as in Ukraine, but not as in Switzerland.
      5. A.TOR
        A.TOR 23 June 2020 12: 22 New
        +3
        You probably do not know, but in the world besides Ukraine there are still several countries
    2. savage1976
      savage1976 23 June 2020 11: 25 New
      -1
      And he died 67 years ago, but the new one did not appear.
  • Russ
    Russ 23 June 2020 10: 39 New
    +1
    Not so long ago, spears broke that the Americans wrote the constitution to us ... now they are dissatisfied with the amendments .... everything is not thank God ..... or maybe it has matured, something to change?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 23 June 2020 11: 32 New
      +6
      In the American constitution, they added their national flavor ... laughing
  • Greenwood
    Greenwood 23 June 2020 10: 42 New
    +5
    The king is afraid to get off the throne. There are no normal successors, only obedient lackeys and slime dishes around. And the security of our own skin in the medium term should be ensured. So you have to rake yourself. What a pity...
  • 1536
    1536 23 June 2020 10: 42 New
    +4
    I don’t know what about the amendments to the Constitution, it’s a personal matter for everyone to read the amendments to him and vote "for" or "against", but already got enough of the fact that mediocrities and drunks are considered great artists, ignoramuses - great scientists, swindlers - great specialists, and thieves and bribe-takers - great businessmen. And if it is written in the constitution that every citizen needs to have a Conscience, that a lie should be considered a lie, truth - truth, decency - decency, then no more articles are needed. In my opinion, this is what everyone wants. Everyone is tired of this, as it is now fashionable to say, "cognitive dissonance": "I see one thing, but I hear another". At one time, it ruined the USSR.
  • janin
    janin 23 June 2020 10: 44 New
    12
    time will tell .. what it was. but I personally am against zeroing. and some points in the amendments.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 23 June 2020 10: 47 New
    -7
    Why do you need the Constitution, the Russians. You are, as Sergius said, God's people.
    For what. So that the elect would not be overthrown?
    1. Far East
      Far East 23 June 2020 10: 57 New
      -1
      (God's people) this is not for US! here others are in! come right now. lol
    2. Woodman
      Woodman 23 June 2020 11: 00 New
      +7
      Quote: Shahno
      You are, as Sergius said, God's people.

      The main thing is that we do not consider ourselves that way. Unlike other "God's chosen" and other "exceptional".
  • Shahno
    Shahno 23 June 2020 11: 01 New
    -4
    Quote: Far East
    (God's people) this is not for US! here others are in! come right now. lol

    I do not mind the Western system. This is you against. If there is a set of laws, but you do not comply with it and cling to them stubbornly. What is it for?
  • fn34440
    fn34440 23 June 2020 11: 15 New
    10
    Why persons holding the state. posts you can’t have several citizenships, but is it possible for all members of their families?
    This is a source of leakage of state secrets and stolen state. funds and finance.
    All these gene. sec, deputy Secretary of Sov. no.-son has a fast network. food in the US-24 years old kid, real estate, a bunch of Ferrari, military stocks. and finance. corporations.
    Question: where did the firewood come from and why does the New Constitution not stop this chaos.?
    But will this super-cast granite rank be able to issue a preventive strike, in case of danger to the Homeland-Russia?
  • Shahno
    Shahno 23 June 2020 11: 32 New
    -3
    Quote: parusnik
    With Putin, however pathetic it may sound, there is such confidence. And while this confidence is there, let it rule !!!
    ... Would be crowned or something .... It would be completely deceased laughing

    Well, formally it is possible. British version.
  • sailor roman
    sailor roman 23 June 2020 11: 47 New
    +2
    That called "democracy" is a game the winner of which is obvious with a high probability, since he (the winner) establishes the rules of the game, appoints referees and changes them in the direction in which he is guaranteed victory. This has been the case since the time of Socrates, and for two thousand years this game has been brought to perfection.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 June 2020 11: 54 New
    +6
    Why did the president decide to amend the Constitution: thoughts and assumptions

    Is it really not clear to someone after his explanations on pension reform?
    For fear of losing a place and “everything that is acquired by excessive labor” ...
    And who will continue to pay a pension to the EBN widow and support six servants? Is Naina herself able to 200 rubles? 000 hectares of land and a restored house of culture?
    I see no other reason than this.
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 23 June 2020 12: 00 New
    +7
    Why did the president decide to amend the constitution?

    How is it - why? Is it really incomprehensible?

    The second term is coming to an end, and after 2018 he did so much "for the good of the people" that this very "people" hate him today ... hmm .. loves and adores him very much! lol

    He was scared for his lack of envy ... hmm .. a wonderful future, just scary, that's all.

    That is precisely why he is trying to have time to remake the Constitution to suit his interests, in order to "be elected" forever, while he still has time, a majority in the Duma and has an administrative resource ...

    Here the main thesis is "while there is still time" !!!
  • flicker
    flicker 23 June 2020 12: 30 New
    -5
    Posted 10:28, comments rolled 09:38.
    But. bully
  • AleBors
    AleBors 23 June 2020 13: 13 New
    0
    If he depended on our choice, we would not be allowed to this choice.
  • Disorder
    Disorder 23 June 2020 13: 54 New
    -4
    The author, in a peculiar ironic vein, reports that all amendments can be divided into three main groups as applied to the country's president:


    The roller can also be divided into several parts. The main ones are:
    “I want more popularity” and “Any garbage so that the enemies of Russia rejoiced.”
  • lot
    lot 23 June 2020 15: 12 New
    0
    Video ad. put likes.
  • g1v2
    g1v2 23 June 2020 19: 51 New
    +2
    Nobody seems to understand one thing. Nowadays, a model of the country is being built according to which it will live well for at least half a century. The structure of law enforcement agencies, the structure of the economy based on state campaigns and the structure of state authorities. With these changes, in fact, the country's governance scheme is changing to a similar one to the English one, but with the dominance of precisely the managerial branch of government. request
    That is, there is a separation of powers. Home is the presidential. It controls the security forces, all executive authorities and the structure of the country as a whole and can remove the incumbent prime minister with the government. And the economy is left to the political parties. That is, the winning party, as in the parliamentary republics, appoints its prime minister and is responsible for its results. Failed cabinet? This means that the party will lose the next election and the next one will come, which already sets its own. Thus, the president ceases to be responsible for the current work of the economy and all the negativity in case of failures is transferred to the ruling political force. As a result, the negative should not affect the state building itself, but become attached to the ruling parties. And the ruling parties will change in a circle. In theory, as European experience shows, such a system should be more stable AND SOME SHOCKS RELATED TO THE ECONOMY SHOULD NOT LEAD TO THE GOS-VA BREAK.
    Plus, no one paid attention to the changes associated with the federal territories and the change in the appointment of prosecutors in the regions. And this is a serious increase in the influence of the center on the national republics. That is, prosecutors of the republics will now be in fact out of control of the local authorities, and tied to the center. And within the regions there will appear territories controlled directly from the center. In theory, this should further reduce the risks of separatism. request
    Also, bans on foreign citizenship for officials, etc., should seriously reorient the bureaucratic apparatus to the accumulation of fortunes and their placement within the country. You will not receive foreign citizenship in a day, which means you will have to live for a long time in the same place where you work, that is, in the Russian Federation. And think about how to place and legalize funds also inside the country, and not in London or Los Angeles. This should tie the elites to the country and make them perceive Russia as their support and home, and not as a place. where you can make money and go to "civilized places". request
    In general, as I see, everyone was so carried away by two or three PR articles that serious structural changes in the state did not even cause attention. They are uninteresting. Whether it’s a ban on homosexual weddings or Putin’s new term. And serious changes pass by the average man.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 24 June 2020 17: 18 New
      +2
      Also, bans on foreign citizenship for officials, etc. should seriously reorient the bureaucracy to accumulate wealth and place them inside the country. ,,
      Naivety is amazing. What about family members? They are allowed to have citizenship (incidentally, officials abroad property). They have already accumulated enough, but the question is, where did the money come from, zin?
  • Wertgan
    Wertgan 25 June 2020 19: 45 New
    +1
    Is this news or an article? I wonder why the author is not specified?
  • Dmitry Donskoy_2
    Dmitry Donskoy_2 26 June 2020 22: 23 New
    0
    To become eternal
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