Macron spoke on the fact of the incident with the frigates of the French Navy and Turkey in the Mediterranean

The crisis in relations between Turkey and France is deepening. The main reason is the military-political activity of Ankara in Libya, where previously France felt one of the main masters (after the invasion of NATO forces and the elimination of Muammar Gaddafi). One of the manifestations of the crisis in relations is the case at sea.

The French frigate, whose commander reported a “possible violation by Turkey of the arms embargo against Libya,” blocked the Turkish warship. The French, sailing in the format of the NATO mission "Sea Guardian", attempted to search the frigate of the Turkish Navy. The Turkish crew in response carried out missile guidance using radar on a warship of the French Navy.

French Navy:

The Turkish crew showed aggressive intentions. They acted in a hostile manner.

In turn, materials appeared in the Turkish press stating that the Turkish warship did not carry out "radar aiming", but was engaged in "routine observation of the French ship."

Now the situation is commented by Emmanuel Macron. During a joint press conference with the head of Tunisia, the French president said that he was criticized in vain after the words about "the death of NATO's brain."

Macron:

The incident in the Mediterranean Sea shows that the death of NATO's brain has come. It is worth returning to those my statements. At the same time, I want to note that for France, stability in the Mediterranean is very important.

Comments

[Hunter 2]

Not feeling any sympathy for the Turks, I give them their due - they wiped their nose off the paddles, offended Macron !
It would be funny if the Turks and the French mated. Contradictions and confrontations within NATO - This is just Great News!

[Finches]

I out of the corner of my eye read somewhere that Trump said on the sidelines that Macron is a sucker (not verbatim), apparently Erdogan agrees with Trump! To what he said ... I think Macron had been born earlier, he would have been the most active minister in the Vichy government ...!

[antivirus]

it is not a matter of individual bad things - the east has grown to the level of "taking away and dividing someone else's."
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[Alexander I]

To the galleys of them all)))

[TermNachTer]

Macron can be a goof. But I do not understand Erdogan's tendency to quarrel with everyone at once, or has he already "lost the coast"?

[Civil]

Let Macaron cry and complain to his grandmother, since she is married to her.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Civil

Let Macaron cry and complain to his grandmother, since she is married to her.

He complained to NATO, Yabed ! And this Worker (pasta) has ambitions for Leadership in the EU ...

[alexmach]

ambition .. that's just from scratch. therefore funny

[Alex777]

The foreign legion has been fighting for Havtar for several years.
I can assume that you underestimate Macron.
And an external victory would be very useful to him now.
Trump does not like him for a completely understandable reason.
Too independent. And Trump squeezed a hand.

[alexmach]

I can assume that you underestimate Macron

Yes, this character really causes me some neglect.

The foreign legion has been fighting on the side of Havtar for several years.

I strongly doubt it, and in my opinion here you are already underestimating the Foreign Legion. I think if he really fought there, the war would not have taken "more than one year."

And an external victory would be very useful to him now.

It would be useful if he could get it .. But you need to fight for this, and not with some Gaddafi there, but with Turkish proxies, seriously supported by Turkey. Isn't the small intestine?
This is what I actually don't like Macron and others like him. Unwilling or unable to really act, they are trying to "squeeze" something out of themselves on the "diplomatic front". And with great aplomb and self-confidence. Which, as for me, look caricatured against the background of unwillingness to take real action. Here's how this time: they climbed to stop the Turkish convoy and forgive themselves crap, but why did they even climb if the slightest resistance of the Turks broke them off so easily? He is compared to Bonopart, only Bonopart in all his crazy antics was really ready to go to the end. Up to the point that he himself went to the bayonet attack at the head of the troops. What do we see here?

Too independent

Well, in general, the more European and NATO countries will be able to pursue an independent policy, the better for Russia.

[Alex777]

I strongly doubt it, and in my opinion here you are already underestimating the Foreign Legion. I think if he really fought there, the war would not have taken "more than one year."

For the legion - at least believe it, at least check it.
By the way, the British SAS there acts on the side of Farraj. The layout is very cool.

It would be useful if he could get it .. But you need to fight for this, and not with some Gaddafi there, but with Turkish proxies, seriously supported by Turkey. Isn't the small intestine?

As for decisiveness - nobody except Trump decided to squeeze a hand in response to Trump, but Macron squeezed. And more than once. Trump then stopped using the handshake trick.
As for the "yellow vests" - no one in Europe stifled protests as strongly as Macron. And he did it quite effectively.
Trump in the United States looks much paler than Macron today. Tweets writes. But to disperse the dispersed crowd is not solved.
The military power of France is much higher than Turkish. We'll see. I am glad that we are not alone in this scene. Let others speak there. Their time.

[alexmach]

As for decisiveness - nobody except Trump decided to squeeze a hand in response to Trump, but Macron squeezed. And more than once. Trump then stopped using the handshake trick. wink

Well, well done of course, but in my opinion this is cheap posturing, as in general in the case of Trump.
As for vests, it seems that this is the only way in France, so to speak, historically.
As for the indecisive Trump - and there, in my opinion, the situation is much more serious. You compare the almost socialist prosperous France with the terribly socially stratified United States.

The military power of France is much higher than Turkish. We'll see

How to say, they say "Turkey is NATO's second army" but the French should probably be more technologically advanced, but what they really have enough determination for is, in my opinion, a separate question.

I'm glad that we are not alone on this stage

It's hard to disagree here. If the two NATO countries "knocked their horns" in a regional conflict, but not someone there, but the obstinate Turks and the French would be just wonderful.

[Alex777]

You compare the almost socialist prosperous France with the terribly socially stratified United States.

Let me remind you - I lived in the States for a long time in the 90s. I represent this country a little.
As for France, all the suburbs of large cities are completely captured by immigrants from Africa. Moreover, if in all other countries of Europe these visitors are easy to find - they do not speak German or Swedish, etc., then in France, who have come from its former colonies, they know French.
So the well-being of France is not as socialist as you imagine.
The states were originally built on stratification. Under Obama, blacks were quietly crushed in cleaner than under Trump. Only no one wrote about it. And now the globalists have gone into "the last and decisive battle." As soon as the elections are over, the excitement will end.
And if Democrats win, the unrest will end even faster. IMHO.

[Alex777]

Bonopart in all his crazy antics was really ready to go all the way. Up to the point that he himself went into the bayonet attack at the head of the troops.

I, at one time, the book E. Tarle "Napoleon" almost memorized.
Remind, please, where and when did the artilleryman Bonaparte go to the bayonet?

[alexmach]

November 15, 1796 on the Arkol bridge during the siege of Mantua. As for the bayonet, I was still not completely accurate, it was just an attack through a dam shot by the Austrians, but in general the situation there was even worse than the bayonet.

[Alex777]

But when Arcole resisted a series of attacks, Napoleon personally decided to make the last effort: he grabbed the banner, rushed to the bridge and hoisted it there. The column he commanded had already passed half the bridge; flanking fire and the arrival of a new division to the enemy doomed this attack to failure. The grenadiers of the head rows, left behind, hesitated. However, carried away by the fugitives, they did not want to abandon their general; they took him by the arms, by the dress, and dragged him among the corpses, dying and powder smoke. He was thrown into a swamp and plunged into it to the waist. Enemy soldiers scurried around him. The grenadiers saw that their general was in danger. There was a cry: “Soldiers, go ahead, to the rescue of the general!” These brave men immediately turned at a quick step at the enemy, threw him over the bridge, and Napoleon was saved.
On this day, many showed their courage. Lannes, being treated for previous wounds and still ill, rushed to the battle from Milan. Having stood between the enemy and Bonaparte, he covered him with his body, received three wounds, but did not want to leave for a minute. Muiron, the adjutant of the commander in chief, was killed, covering the body of his general. Béliard, Vignolles were wounded among the soldiers whom they carried away in the attack. The brave General Robert, a battle-hardened soldier, was killed.

Yes. To be waist-deep in a swamp is not the most successful result of an attack that Napoleon personally led, taking the banner ...
By the way, it was Bonaparte who was the first to use artillery against popular unrest.
At the same time, I consider him the greatest political figure.

[alexmach]

Yes. To appear waist-deep in a swamp is not the most successful result of an attack that Napoleon personally led by taking the banner ... wink

Well, how can I tell you, to be honest, he essentially once again led them to certain death, and in fact the fact that he himself survived was an accident.

By the way, it was Bonaparte who was the first to use artillery against popular unrest.

Well, and you speak with vests you acted harshly.

[Alex777]

Well, how can I tell you, to be honest, he essentially once again led them to certain death, and in fact the fact that he himself survived was an accident.

Once survived - it means a great figure.
Height of 168 cm did not stop him here.

Well, and you speak with vests you acted harshly.

Not. Not cruel. Decisively. Macron
I did not expect this from him either. But appreciated.

[Nemchinov Vl]

It seems to me alone that on VO more and more short notes appear - nothing. Without facts, specifics, analysis of the situation (respectively, and without authorship)?! New peculiar style ?!

[Alex777]

Sign up for authors. The editors posted an invitation.

[halpat]

Quote: Hunter 2

Not feeling any sympathy for the Turks, I give them their due - they wiped their nose off the paddles, offended Macron !
It would be funny if the Turks and the French mated. Contradictions and confrontations within NATO - This is just Great News!

Well, for a short time they would cling. American walkers will turn off all their guidance systems, except for homegrown ones.
France still has its companions, but Turkey is unlikely.
So boarding hooks, sabers, small arms and small artillery. Something like that:))

[Alex777]

France has everything from a nuclear carrier and a nuclear submarine, 3 Mistrals and a bunch of frigates to the Foreign Legion.

[knn54]

Sarkozy "strained" to overthrow Gaddafi not so that Libya would go to the Turks.
Hands are rubbed and the Greeks.

[alexmach]

Sarkozy had to go all the way and introduce an occupation contingent and form a colonial government for talks about democracy and human rights, but either there were not enough eggs, or the elders did not allow (everyone wants to tear off his piece), or they regretted the money and decided that "and so will do. "

[cniza]

They did what they had to do according to all the rules.
There Greece can also arrive in time ...

[WOLF330]

The Greeks tried three days earlier to do the same, but received a convincing answer from the Turkish captain. Scratching turnips retired.

[cniza]

The Greeks are almost on the verge of war with Turkey and they have support ...

[WOLF330]

Throughout their history, they are "practically on the brink of war" with the Turks and they have always had support! We are waiting for them with "supporters"

[iouris]

Quote: Hunter 2

It would be funny if the Turks and the French mated.

Do not cling. Erdogan is ready for a lot, if not everything.
Note
The words "Turks" and "French" should be written with a lowercase (small) letter. Or write in your own language.

[Cowbra]

made an attempt to search the frigate of the Turkish Navy.

This is tantamount to declaring war

[raki-uzo]

No French ship can search a Turkish frigate. There was another ship with a different national flag. The French wanted to "check" him. Ours did not allow the French to approach.

[Cowbra]

Yes, I'm just fucking, there is a problem of translation - what does it mean to "search" the ship? Not a scow full of feces. warship of the state - how to "search" it, petal force

[raki-uzo]

Let me tell you how it all happened: Two Turkish frgates took one Turkish ship under their protection. The ship is called "Çirkin / U-r-o-d" (wore the Tanzanian flag). The Greeks wanted to test it first on international waters. They were told not to meddle in their own business. They obediently left. 10.06.2020/20/XNUMX - French frigate - "Courbet", with sauce, that is, allegedly, "U-r-o-d" turned off its "transponder" system and hid its identification, decided to test it on international waters. Turkish ships warned and said they knew his identity. The French changed course and headed towards the Turkish frigate at a speed of XNUMX mil / h. Then the Turks opened radar observation (and did not target them, that is, only observation, not fixation, about which the French are crying). And after ... Macron and his France complained to the NATO meeting.

[Cowbra]

What YOU described is - well ... Tough, but normal. I don’t understand then Macron's bark at all - there is no reason

[halpat]

Quote: Cowbra

What YOU described is - well ... Tough, but normal. I don’t understand then Macron's bark at all - there is no reason

Why not understand? The paddling pool sees itself as the arbiter of the fate of Europe (in wet dreams) and carries the “burden of a white man”.
But as soon as he was threatened with a scribble, he immediately began to complain.

[K-612-O]

On the other hand, Macron's "schelban" will be pulled to the Algerian-Libyan border in the form of the Algerian Armed Forces, and on the other hand, the Egyptians. In the place of the Sultan, I would think about it before flogging a fever.

[cniza]

Carries it, already does not feel the realities ...

[WOLF330]

So what? Pull off, well, well done. We will wait until everything possible is pulled together.

[Oquzyurd]

I add that there was still an Italian helicopter. Hearing conversations and tonality, they quickly flew back, saying that they had nothing to do with these matters)

[paco.soto]

With a smile: "mine is" yours "thank you for the information. I don't know your sources, but I will remember it as an information puzzle.

[WOLF330]

The French are too high opinions about themselves. Let chasing Fantomas. Turks are too tough for them!

[Cowbra]

Quote: KURT330

Let chasing Fantomas.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: raki-uzo

French ship cannot search Turkish frigate

At the bottom with the help of divers - not very practical, but reliable

[codetalker]

Yeah, they have fun in that area. Of course, the Turkish leadership is acting ... strange (their business, of course). Such abrupt and poorly prepared managerial maneuvers lead to high costs.

[cniza]

Quote: codetalker

Yeah, they have fun in that area. Of course, the Turkish leadership is acting ... strange (their business, of course). Such abrupt and poorly prepared managerial maneuvers lead to high costs.

The owner is weakening, there is no one to keep in check ...

[Cowbra]

Quote: Mouse

NATO .... it is NATO ...

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Турецкое_вторжение_на_Кипр

[Thrifty]

About "love is a friend to a friend" in the NATO bloc in Russia there has long been a proverb - one yard, dogs don’t live an hour without a fight!

[askort154]

Turkey was not accepted into the EU, but the United States will not allow it to be expelled from NATO. Erdogan did not succeed in eliminating, now they are forced to grind their teeth with his sultan-manners.

[cniza]

If the United States does not expel itself, the truth is not yet clear where.

[Doccor18]

First, they brought up a Turkish wolfhound, provided them with weapons and taught them to bite, and now this animal began to rush to "their" ...

[tralflot1832]

It seems that we are discussing the consequences of the work of French journalists who sucked the news. French sailors, they are immortal that climb on rozhen against a warship, which inspection can be carried out not in their territorial waters. The Turks, if it was really, are completely right. If you follow the logic of the French of journalists, then the Turks in the Dardanelles should inspect all Russian warships, especially submarines. But this does not happen, then the Turks are smarter than the French. Surely there is a certain framework of hekha naval practice for warships?

[EvilLion]

A warship cannot be inspected. Point. They can let him only voluntarily.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

It would be desirable, and itches, but the mother does not order (France).

[rocket757]

Which of the Geyropei leaders have steel Faberge?
The question seems to be rhetorical .....

[cniza]

Do they even exist? Greetings!

[rocket757]

Hi
In a geyrop with leaders something like this ... indefinitely. Everyone pulls the blanket over themselves.
There is a lot of screaming, little help.

[cniza]

Politicians are now shredded, there are no figures who could sober up many hotheads, this is a big problem.

[rocket757]

For any one, even such ones will have to grin their teeth, and even more seriously put forward arguments, because they cannot allow the Sultan to share the sweet cake, which has already been practically divided ... besides, he is alone. I managed to trample my favorite corns.

[cniza]

There is not a children's struggle for gas fields in the middle of the sea and Turkey has overslept, and now they are trying to catch up.

[rocket757]

Exactly, this is apart from oil and FRESH WATER as previously stated. The business is not joking, and "Paris" is worth the Mass, as it was previously, again, well, stated.

[cniza]

Paris seems to merge and cannot oppose anything, even though it has multilateral agreements ...

[rocket757]

We'll see. There are interests of such giants as TOTAL and ENIA, you just can’t skip past them.

[cniza]

This is so, and Erdogan is now risking his head, having no support ...

[rocket757]

It’s not the first time ... Allah preserves it, I guess.

[cniza]

It seems to me that the shaitan is leading him ...

[Cyril G ...]

The French, sailing in the format of the NATO mission "Sea Guardian", attempted to inspect the frigate of the Turkish Navy.

Based on the foregoing, this is rudeness on the part of the Franks. And the Law of the Sea does not authorize such actions.

[EvilLion]

Search a warship? On what basis? If the French climbed to the Turks on board, then the Turks would have every right to wet them.

[tihonmarine]

I have no respect for either the Turks or the French, but here the Turks behaved with dignity. The French, considering themselves in Mediterranean and Libya as their masters, decided to inspect a military Turk, and he twirled his radar, waved his missile wings, and showed Zhanik a fig. Zhaniki silently swallowed a fig, and realized that they were no longer masters in Mediterranean. In general, Zhaniki's "mushrooms".

[babylon]

We need to learn from Turkey how to work this way. The Turks made a rustle everywhere, neither we nor the French stopped them,
and we are sitting in Syria for how many years the bearded Barmaley dispersed, but when something real we immediately sat down and where is our proud - "I"
although in my opinion the Turks are not alone who is behind them and this is still a big question who? it may even be what we ourselves are -Russia

[cniza]

An interesting conclusion, send Turkey ...

[Kibl]

Who is this or more precisely what is this Macron pasta, everything will come in handy De Gaulle and Chirac laurels tight shoulders shrug! Duc him to them, like walking to the moon!

[cniza]

No, he wants better, right away Napoleon ...

[cniza]

Now the situation is commented by Emmanuel Macron. During a joint press conference with the head of Tunisia, the French president said that he was criticized in vain after the words about "the death of NATO's brain."

It is necessary for him for the third time to announce this and that’s all, there is no NATO.

[aszzz888]

The crisis in relations between Turkey and France is deepening.

But nothing that they are in NATO?

[WOLF330]

Quote: Halpat

France still has its companions, but Turkey is unlikely.

Turkey currently has 11 satellites in orbit, including 4 optoelectronic intelligence.
Until the 30th year, it is planned to launch another 16.

[Junior Private]

The main thing that the Turks have more tomatoes, Kurds and Ponte.

[Wolf]

And what the French captain and his Macron thought, even the papaus would not have allowed to watch the warship. Macron thinks that today is the 19th century, maybe this is for his wife too? France today is not a regional force, but much far from global. How can he intimidate the Turks? The nuclear missiles? Funny French. Their place today is unconditionally listening to the owners, which they did on the death of Napoleon!

[Wolf]

De Gaulle was the last person in France to try to make France Francis!

[5-9]

Turks - century-old allies of the French on the basis of friendship against the Habsburgs .... and there it is how it turned out :)
Turks do not need a war, so post-gunfights with two NATO countries at once - Greece and France - stir up

[Kostadinov]

Frankly speaking, such a behavior of Turkey is a very dangerous game of fire. If there is a conflict with France, they will not have allies. Of course, France will not directly attack Turkey, but together with Egypt it will be able to carry out the blockade of Libya by sea and by air and deal with the Turkish contingent in Tripoli.
I hope that they will come to an agreement and avoid the war.

[Oquzyurd]

"will deal with the Turkish contingent in Tripoli" The French can only exterminate unarmed Algerians. , answering the journalist's question, stressed that the Turks go into battle as they go at lunchtime.

[Kostadinov]

Quote: Oquzyurd

They, the Belarusians, will not butt with a serious rival. They will lose with shame, will become a laughing stock for a century. The Turks are not afraid of death, brave, experienced and professional.

Turks, like all other peoples, prepare to sacrifice themselves only in the defense of their Turkey.
In Libya, they are only mercenaries like everyone else except the Libyans. All mercenaries are afraid of death because they must live to use the money earned.
I do not think that the Turkish fleet and aviation have a chance against the French. There will be a blockade of Libya and without weapons and ammunition everything will be over in a few months. So it was with Kadaffi.

[Oquzyurd]

“I don’t think that the Turkish fleet and aviation have a chance against the French.” In the open ocean, it may be. But in the Mediterranean Sea, the Turks cannot fight only with the United States. The French have scanty chances. About the Egyptian fleet is generally funny, because they have The Mistrals could be taken seriously, but they are dummies, they literally do not have the necessary systems. They ordered these ships for Russia, where the Russian systems were supposed to be in everything. After the refusal to sell to the Russian Federation, the French gave these ships to Egypt in an unfit form. ships do not even have that carrier-based aircraft, which is supposed to. They are for naval parades, but as a combat unit are equal to zero. There are also "legends" about the combat training and professionalism of Egyptian sailors, as well as about the ground forces. And, one more important fact it should not be overlooked that the Turks would not have come to Libya without the approval of the United States. Whoever pushed there, everything ultimately rests on the United States.

[tolmachiev51]

The essence of the alliance! while the "war" for spheres of influence, but what will happen when it comes to each country separately ?! -Although the pandemic has already shown, it's every man for himself!

[L-39NG]

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