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Discord Committee: civil protest or successful provocation?

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Discord Committee: civil protest or successful provocation?

Gordian knot



The situation in the coal industry in LDNR from the very beginning has been an example of the traditionally crazy management style inherent in Ukraine. While Alexander Zakharchenko (deceased) and the head of the LPR, Igor Plotnitsky, were in power, the coal mined went to Ukraine, workers received wages in hryvnias, and enterprises paid taxes to the Ukrainian budget. Then they introduced the so-called nationalization: at the direction of the curators, they took the mining industry from the Ukrainians and local people and gave it to the fugitive Ukrainian oligarch Sergey Kurchenko, who, as befits the Ukrainian oligarch, immediately engaged in the robbery of the republics. With difficulty, Lugansk and Donetsk pulled coal from Kurchenko’s clutches, but due to their incredible managerial qualities they now run the risk of bringing the situation to even greater insanity. At least, unprofitable mines are already closing down in LNR, miners are on strike in the LNR, and well-known and unknown provocateurs, to the delight of Kiev, are engaged in sublimating protest vapors.

It’s necessary to get rid of unprofitable mines, there’s nowhere to go. The same Nikanor-Novaya scandalized by the miners' revolt is explosive, difficult to develop, and scarce in reserves. Nevertheless, the LPR authorities, at least, have implemented their project of employing vacant workers. But with the payment of salary debts accumulated by Vneshtorgservice CJSC, there were problems (we are talking about billions of rubles), and in order to establish the work of the state unitary enterprise created in exchange for VTS, the miners were cut wages. As a result, there are already two protests underground and no guarantees that there will be no new ones.

Unprecedented scope


The striking miners got their hard earned money, however, the planned events, large-scale media support and other signs attracted the attention of the LGB MGB. As a result, today the network is actively discussing the alleged arrests in Anthracite, during which, according to reports, one of the organizers of the protest was called in for a conversation, and someone remained on it to this day. It is not yet possible to find out exact numbers, facts, surnames, etc.: the number of provocative posts on social networks and outright manipulations of information is off the scale.

Of course, there is nothing surprising in such a development. Moreover, the miners' strike in Anthracite was accompanied by unique events: the Vodafon Ukrainian connection was disconnected in the LPR, access to VKontakte and a number of Russian sites completely loyal to LPR were disconnected, and a second quarantine was suddenly introduced in the city itself. In general, it was immediately clear: something was happening. Yes, and it would be surprising if it did not happen: frankly provocative leaflets appeared in the LPR cities, social networks were teeming with revolutionary calls and even appeals (supposedly on behalf of some mining committee) to Ukraine with a call for help. Which is incomprehensible.

In fairness, it is worth noting that the miners initially acted rather recklessly: having two-month wage arrears, they usually expel union leaders and go to the prosecutor’s office, turn to the authorities, the media, etc., rather than immediately go underground to organize obscure strikes committees.

Whose prodest?


Committees are growing in LDNR like mushrooms, starting in November 2019. At first, the wives of the miners tried to organize them, but then the ex-Minister of Transport of the DPR, Alexander Vaskovsky, who was one of the Russian neo-Trotsky dwarf parties, expelled from the republics, seized the initiative in 2014. Suddenly imbued with love for the miners, he immediately took the initiative and began to write petitions and angry articles on behalf of the miners' wives, according to which it was immediately clear that in the mining business Vaskovsky understands approximately as much as in Sanskrit. Apparently, the revolutionary participated in the events in Anthracite.

Another “committee”, even more anonymous than Vaskovsky’s, is now scribbling dispatches either to Moscow or to Kiev, with calls to "help", "sort it out", etc. True, without concrete proposals (and where do they come from) . Another strange movement takes place in social networks, where they require the immediate release of the miners arrested in Anthracite, the number of which, depending on the degree of sanity of the public, is higher or lower, and the torture applied to them either becomes unbearable or disappears altogether.

Looking at this bedlam, you understand why Ukrainian mobile communication does not work. The only question is, why did they turn off VKontakte? After all, even a child knows how to get there bypassing the lock.

Miners feel sorry


In this whole situation, it is first of all a pity for the miners who suddenly decided to assert their rights by such serious methods and in such a dangerous company. Alexander Vaskovsky sends his revolutionary calls from St. Petersburg, most of the other “committee members” most likely, as always, work from Ukraine. But there are certainly real miners who have heard enough of enterprising agitators and have done stupid things. And what will happen to them next is unknown, although it can be assumed that the case may well end in real terms.

On the whole, in the situation, the LPR authorities and the miners themselves suffered damage, which, most likely, will recall their revolutionary outbursts. Now the main question is how to establish interaction and begin to work for the common good. If only the parties had enough for this mind and patience.
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  1. alone
    alone 22 June 2020 15: 29 New
    +2
    I wonder how the committee members are going to solve the problems of the miners with dispatches from Moscow and St. Petersburg. If the problems were solved only by dispatches, I think there would be no problems in the world
    1. doubovitski
      doubovitski 22 June 2020 22: 32 New
      -1
      Quote: lonely
      I wonder how the committee members are going to solve the problems of the miners with dispatches from Moscow and St. Petersburg. If the problems were solved only by dispatches, I think there would be no problems in the world

      I think otherwise. There would be so many papers .....
  2. businessv
    businessv 22 June 2020 15: 45 New
    +2
    If only the parties had enough for this mind and patience.
    That's for sure! The main thing is crazy! You can’t lead so stupidly! Where has it been seen that people do not pay salaries, on whose shoulders rests the entire well-being of the enterprise !?
    1. doubovitski
      doubovitski 22 June 2020 22: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: businessv
      If only the parties had enough for this mind and patience.
      That's for sure! The main thing is crazy! You can’t lead so stupidly! Where has it been seen that people do not pay salaries, on whose shoulders rests the entire well-being of the enterprise !?

      Take care of the adjustment. And you need to start, in my opinion, with the establishment of trade relations. No sales, nothing. We are all masters of the cove. But you need to know the truth. Not ineptitude (although it also brings its own), but the destruction of economic ties ..... We went through this. But, we are slowly recovering. Dashing 90 years. Salary debts of six months or more. I quit my job 4 times in order to get everything at once with full reckoning. Fortunately, I could find another job right there.
  3. AnderS
    AnderS 22 June 2020 16: 41 New
    +2
    The article shyly ignores the fact that colleagues from the SBU were invited to turn off VKontakte on the territory of the LPNR ...
    1. Igoresha
      Igoresha 22 June 2020 17: 03 New
      +9
      nonsense, VK turned off the provider, the traffic to which comes from the Russian Federation, as indicated above.
      Vopschem, according to Makhov, the miners who dared to buzz were guilty and the leadership of the LPR + the prosecutor's office + the MGB who didn’t completely commit the information flow were not guilty. VK is not limited but turned off completely, as in Ukraine. Looks Makhov from Lugansk far.
      1. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
        evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 22 June 2020 21: 25 New
        +8
        Makhov - he is such an “alien ,, (BUT in the good sense of the word). Superficial information, absurd reasoning, strange conclusions ... But, it seems, not an outright dirty trick, not a scum - it's already good. Trying to convey information ... Well, there is not yet in Novorossia its war correspondent, such as Konstantin Simonov. And not the fact that it will be.
        In general, it is surprising that for so many years the miners have been silent ... Very courageous, truthful guys, they don’t go into your pocket for a word ... You should have seen the eyes of the deceased ,, Motor ,, when he ,, climbed out of the mine where he was with a guided tour. “What do you know about the sun if you were not in the mine?” - so they say in Donetsk.
        Miners have something to tell even the real ones about o and n and m.
        But what is happening is not only tired of them, the miners. How can this not be bored if most people in Novorossia have not lived, but have been living for 6 years ?! In six years, WWII ended, and not just WWII, in which Victory is magnificently celebrated this year with parades in Donetsk and Lugansk. At prices like in the Russian Federation, a salary of 10 rubles per citizen is considered decent here, and at 000 a dream. For a man. Try to find another job, try to match the qualifications declared by the employer! ,, Favorite ,, figure ,, from the employer, for the Donetsk miner - 15 000 rubles. And this is not at the auxiliary site. ,, At the forefront of the coal front ,,. Last year there were those who went down to the LNR mine for 18 rubles. But not on the front line. However, salaries of 000 rubles happen, and even slightly higher. On a sinking, in an excellent Donetsk mine, with a rich and glorious history. Where to get, from the street, is almost impossible. To make the reader understand the DIFFERENCE, I will give an example. The security guard in a successful supermarket in Donetsk receives 10 rubles, and his Russian pension is 000 rubles (Afghanistan, service in the Ministry of Internal Affairs ...) I managed to apply for it in due time.
        Who is to blame for what is happening in New Russia? ,, Angry ,, and ,, maydanutyaya ,, Ukraine? Or ,, training ,, leadership of New Russia? Or Big Brother - a Curator who’s been sleeping on the go for six ((!) Years and who has nothing to offer the people of New Russia except for noisy holidays, market relations, and LDNR and Russian passports?
        The ongoing performances of the miners of Novorossia are the usual reaction of very tired, exhausted people who are very tired of this page, artificially created
        worthless reality. These dumb ,, games, ”in market relations in the republics that really PROTECT the western borders of Russia
        1. doubovitski
          doubovitski 22 June 2020 22: 46 New
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          Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
          A curator who has been sleeping for six years already (!), And who has nothing to offer the people of Novorossia except for noisy holidays, market relations, and LDNR and Russian passports?

          If the guys in Crimea gave us the OPPORTUNITY, having stood up as one, they voted as one, 90%, then you, brothers, chewed snot. They decided to stay in Ukraine. Statuses discussed. Should we go to fight for your huts? In the technical conditions?
          Personally, I admit Russia's guilt that we held you back a lot. High (or low) policy .... Damn it.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 23 June 2020 13: 06 New
            +1
            You know, it's all crying about nothing.
            How can we talk about building something new, meaningful and effective when no one said a word about laying the ideological foundations of economic policy, property issues, governance issues and suffrage, well, at least some references to the constitutional provisions of the managerial basis.
            All 6 years when this mess will end and LDNR will get their own legislation, from which at least the order in property relations would follow: so in LDNR socialism or capitalism ???
            And just like that, for no reason to support 5 million people - so with a thirst for this welfer you need to turn to the Americans - they will stasis, who is here for how much - and it will not seem a little, although the legitimacy "amers way" can NOT be called fair. ...
          2. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 24 June 2020 01: 57 New
            0
            Quote: doubovitski
            If the guys in Crimea gave us the OPPORTUNITY, having stood up as one, they voted as one, 90%, then you, brothers, chewed snot.

            How can we compare Crimea and LDNR ?!
            a) firstly, in Crimea there were (as fulcrum) real military bases of the Navy, the Marine Corps, and so on, which in LDNR could not be (!).
            b) Secondly, questions to ourselves, national referenda in Crimea and LDNR (in bulletins) were very different (!). In the first case DIRECT question on joining the Russian Federation (!), and in the second only about independence from the government of Ukraine after the coup (as independent republics) !!!
            So think about it - and MUCH LIKE SIMILAR these two situations, with such - different input data ?!....
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 24 June 2020 02: 09 New
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              Quote: Vl Nemchinov
              . In the first case, the DIRECT question was raised about joining the Russian Federation (!), And in the second, only about independence from the Ukrainian government after the coup (as independent republics) !!!

              But don’t have to talk. Crimea, unlike the LDPR, could afford such a question as autonomy. And after the LDPR referendum, their government raised the issue of joining Russia.
              1. Nemchinov Vl
                Nemchinov Vl 24 June 2020 02: 34 New
                0
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                But don’t have to talk. Crimea, unlike the LDPR, could afford such a question, like autonomy.
                ?! ?! no, I could not (!)
                The most important role in the Crimea was played by the presence of military bases !!!. It was it that did not allow decisive action of the APU yet before the referendum (!). And the second (almost the main thing!) that if there (in the Crimea), the question would be raised about autonomy and not about joining the Russian Federation, then it would be the same carelessness as with LDNR (!). There would be no real and legitimate opportunity, to transfer troops there and strengthen the group (already existing before the separation !!), and expel the demoralized remnants of the Armed Forces, available there before the separation !!!
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And after the LDPR referendum, their government raised the issue of joining Russia.
                And here, the main thing (see above the lack of bases), and just that the question is EXACTLY about accession (and not independence or autonomy within Ukraine) it was necessary to make at the referendum itself, as in the Crimea, and not later (after him), as you say (!!). For it is too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have already failed !!!
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 24 June 2020 03: 12 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vl Nemchinov
                  if there (in Crimea), the question would be raised about autonomy

                  You, in my opinion, did not understand anything. In Crimea, there was already autonomy. That is why they immediately raised the question of joining Russia, unlike LDNR, which had to first declare independence.
  4. TAMBU
    TAMBU 22 June 2020 16: 43 New
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    In fairness, it is worth noting that the miners initially acted rather recklessly: having two-month wage arrears, they usually expel union leaders and go to the prosecutor’s office, turn to the authorities, the media, etc., rather than immediately go underground to organize obscure strikes committees.


    If the author really doesn’t know, then we’ll tell you, comrade. They "crawl" underground only because underground it will not be possible to disperse the protest by force, the use of firearms in coal mines is especially dangerous. Therefore, the protest took such a form - as the most effective and based on the previous protest movements of miners who were dissatisfied with salary delays.

    The author is no offense, but you reminded me with your opus of the phrase "- Eh, you did not starve, comrade lieutenant!" (from the film "Aty Baty, there were soldiers" (c))
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 24 June 2020 02: 05 New
      0
      Quote: TAMBU
      The author is no offense, but you reminded me with your opus of the phrase "- Oh, you didn’t starve, comrade lieutenant! "(from the film" Aty bats, there were soldiers "(c))

      Well, even better (!) and more comical, this phrase looked like KVN’s, in a parody of Pavel Lazarenko, who fled abroad with a billionth fortune, exported / stolen from Ukraine (when he was prime minister), as if uttered from his lips (!)... in response to Kuchma ... laughing
      1. TAMBU
        TAMBU 24 June 2020 11: 35 New
        0
        "So then gasoline, and then children ..." (c)
  5. Kronos
    Kronos 22 June 2020 17: 01 New
    11
    The author is not a liar, supposedly, but they didn’t joke on the miners and only publicity helped solve the situation peacefully
    1. Vrungeli
      Vrungeli 22 June 2020 17: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: Kronos
      The author is not a liar, supposedly, but they didn’t joke on the miners and only publicity helped solve the situation peacefully

      Something I also feel with genes that the author is oppressing someone’s line .. God is his judge hi
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 23 June 2020 00: 43 New
        -3
        Quote: Vrungeli
        Quote: Kronos
        The author is not a liar, supposedly, but they didn’t joke on the miners and only publicity helped solve the situation peacefully

        Something I also feel with genes that the author is oppressing someone’s line .. God is his judge hi

        Are you genetically modified? Probably enhanced function "gut feel the enemy"?
    2. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 23 June 2020 09: 01 New
      +1
      Liar - to put it mildly. It's already been TWO !!! weeks. INFA just now. The author is an alien or from the moon? And the whole article from the lantern. As soon as the fighting events (2014) - and the coal logistics ended, EVERYTHING! Leftist schemes are still "swinging" - debts are growing. And no one was going to pay for Nenka (the coal was shipped).
  6. Avior
    Avior 22 June 2020 17: 09 New
    +8
    The same scandalized miner riot "Nikanor-Nova"

    as well as Komsomolskaya, where Belorechenskaya and the name of Frunze defended their rights, where all activists were transplanted, and the mines were covered to prevent miners from underground, it would be difficult to deal with them there. And the debts there are not for two months, but up to 2016.
    Six years have passed, and all Ukrainian oligarchs are to blame. Further we go, worse it becomes.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 23 June 2020 09: 02 New
      +1
      Gas is cheaper. So while coal is not in price, hence the conclusions.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 June 2020 10: 17 New
        +1
        The era of coal power is over. So, not yet, but for the rest of your life: the demand for coal will only decrease.
        1. doubovitski
          doubovitski 24 June 2020 00: 51 New
          -1
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          The era of coal power is over. So, not yet, but for the rest of your life: the demand for coal will only decrease.

          In our world there is nothing final. Wood energy replaced by coal. Coal - oil. Oil-gas. Gas is nuclear. Nuclear - thermonuclear. Or something else. But large-scale energy never crosses out those that are more convenient to use in small ones. Not only kebabs you will forever grill on charcoal. But in small towns and cities, energy will have its own, most affordable. We will not be in time with thermonuclear poisoning, because of the danger of nuclear, we will return to the old ones. And if we talk about methane, then in the oceans in the form of ice at the bottom for thousands of years ....
      2. Avior
        Avior 23 June 2020 12: 54 New
        -4
        With such salaries as the miners there, it is still unknown what is cheaper.
        Salaries under the item "other expenses"
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 23 June 2020 13: 18 New
      0
      And do Ukrainian oligarchs consume coal?
      And who sells this coal to them, what color is the oligarch?
      And who gets the margin for this coal?
      What kind of funds goes to superprofits or what budget items does it go to?
      And who in LPR concludes agreements with miners for the extraction of this coal?
      And who pays for the transportation of coal to the consumer
  7. Karaul73
    Karaul73 22 June 2020 19: 29 New
    +4
    Quote: TAMBU
    In fairness, it is worth noting that the miners initially acted rather recklessly: having two-month wage arrears, they usually expel union leaders and go to the prosecutor’s office, turn to the authorities, the media, etc., rather than immediately go underground to organize obscure strikes committees.


    If the author really doesn’t know, then we’ll tell you, comrade. They "crawl" underground only because underground it will not be possible to disperse the protest by force, the use of firearms in coal mines is especially dangerous. Therefore, the protest took such a form - as the most effective and based on the previous protest movements of miners who were dissatisfied with salary delays.

    The author is no offense, but you reminded me with your opus of the phrase "- Eh, you did not starve, comrade lieutenant!" (from the film "Aty Baty, there were soldiers" (c))

    Yes, the author would only throw on the fan. Pay honestly earned money and no one, I emphasize no one on strike and will not buzz. Everything happens due to the fact that they do not know how to manage. They know how to shout slogans, they know how to see the Ukrainian threat. And they do not know how to manage enterprises and earn money.
    1. doubovitski
      doubovitski 22 June 2020 22: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: Sentry73
      Everything happens due to the fact that they do not know how to manage.

      Get up and steer, brother. Start with the restoration of economic ties, learn to trade coal in conditions where no one needs it. I am also a miner. But from the quarry, not underground. I made it on the site. Our Kuzbass closed almost all the mines, and for the same reason. Of Prokopyevsk, out of 16 mines there is not one; open-cast mining sites operate, and then only three or four. There were strikes. Who's guilty? I have my own thought on this subject, but I will not begin to speak. Complicated is not only a matter of understanding, but also of storytelling.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 June 2020 00: 04 New
        0
        In this case, coal was being sold and is being sold.
        but it doesn’t reach the salaries of the miners.
  8. samarin1969
    samarin1969 22 June 2020 20: 17 New
    +8
    Pretty pathetic interpretation of events from the author. Miners honestly mined coal and demand money for it. And the LPR authorities, which have enough guns for all the criminals a la Kurchenko, are "being modest." Yegor began to weave in some "Vaskovskys". What for?
  9. Normal ok
    Normal ok 23 June 2020 00: 40 New
    +1
    Not an article but "a bunch of small" from a jumble of facts, speculation and outright distortion. There and then the accusations of Kurchenko that he profited from coal mining and immediately a statement about the unprofitability of the very mines on which he profited? Where is the logic? Regarding salaries: like they paid off the debt in 2 months. But some mines have debts for 2 years! Again, Kurchenko is to blame. Of course it's my fault. Yes, only here he is a figurehead. Without the Kremlin roof, such machinations (and these are billions of dollars) would never be possible for him to be ill. And of course the apotheosis: since people are dissatisfied with poverty, free labor with a high accident rate and, in fact, an openly predatory regime, they are agents of the enemy (you give slavery !!!). In general, it is written in the worst propaganda traditions.
  10. steelmaker
    steelmaker 23 June 2020 08: 52 New
    +2
    From this article, I realized that Russia is preparing to surrender LDNR. Because, it does not support economically and the army does not allow the Minsk agreements to unfold. So it turns out, on the one hand they bomb and shoot, and at the same time they demand compliance with the agreements, and on the other hand they ruin the economy and mock people.
  11. imobile2008
    imobile2008 23 June 2020 10: 12 New
    -3
    Quote: steel maker
    From this article, I realized that Russia is preparing to surrender LDNR. Because, it does not support economically and the army does not allow the Minsk agreements to unfold. So it turns out, on the one hand they bomb and shoot, and at the same time they demand compliance with the agreements, and on the other hand they ruin the economy and mock people.

    If people there fully supported Russia, then this is one thing. And so Ukraine is building eyes and pulling money from Russia. They rush to and fro. Themselves and to blame
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 23 June 2020 12: 07 New
      0
      In Ukraine, people have relatives
  12. German Titov
    German Titov 23 June 2020 11: 28 New
    0
    "Comrade Vaskovsky understands about as much in mining as he does in Sanskrit." Graduated from the Donetsk Industrial Automatics College. Successful manager of the Foxtrot chain. Deputy of the first convocation of the DPR parliament (a lot of crap came out then). Now in St. Petersburg. Close to the Labor Party of Russia. At one time, Misha Krylov (combine operator of the Oktyabrsky Rudnik mine, leader of the protest movement in 1989), said that the West was behind the protest movements of miners. And as for the "invited specialists from the SBU for the" jammers "", there are enough of their own in Donbass.
  13. pereselenec
    pereselenec 23 June 2020 18: 29 New
    -2
    I don’t understand one thing: when the Donbass spring began, the population of the LDPR beat themselves in the chest, they say it feeds all of Ukraine and they no longer need parasites - their own and overseas. Everybody saw the wet mriyas as they will be poured after the referendum. Why now, having thrown off the oppression of Bender's dependents, the "breadwinners" live on handouts from Russia and cannot even recoup their own bread?

    1. German Titov
      German Titov 23 June 2020 21: 47 New
      +1
      Remind me when ZADRODOM from the memory was allocated help during floods? From the budgets of our regions.
    2. doubovitski
      doubovitski 24 June 2020 01: 04 New
      0
      Quote: pereselenec
      I don’t understand one thing: when the Donbass spring began, the population of the LDPR beat themselves in the chest, they say it feeds all of Ukraine and they no longer need parasites - their own and overseas. Everybody saw the wet mriyas as they will be poured after the referendum. Why now, having thrown off the oppression of Bender's dependents, the "breadwinners" live on handouts from Russia and cannot even recoup their own bread?


      If you know how to get coal, and you do it well, but without selling it, you will die of hunger. In Ukraine, Donbass was an energy locomotive. The entire industry of the country worked on its coal. The idiocy of the new leadership, severed ties, and began to buy coal anywhere, but not in the Donbass. The crooks, who became intermediaries in trade, crashed into direct communications and pumped out profits, making the sale price unprofitable. The crazy ones organized a boycott of coal, and the result is obvious. What school did you attend that you cannot understand such a simple truth? Any product is good only then. when it can be sold. And you can buy it. You can die of hunger. sitting on a golden chair, if you do not pinch off and buy bread from it. Who is to blame for this situation?
  14. kutuz
    kutuz 25 June 2020 20: 50 New
    0
    "having a two-month wage arrears" not two but 22 months, the salary was paid either partially or not at all!