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"Twelve Khatyn": Lukashenko opened a memorial on the site of the village of Ola burnt by the Nazis

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"Twelve Khatyn": Lukashenko opened a memorial on the site of the village of Ola burnt by the Nazis

The President of the Republic of Belarus attended the opening ceremony of the memorial on the site of the village of Ola. This village during the years of World War II was burned by the Nazis. In its place in 2020 - in the year of celebrating the 75th anniversary of the Victory - a memorial appeared, which was named after the settlement burned by the invaders.


Alexander Lukashenko, speaking at the opening ceremony of the new memorial, noted that a series of events is being held in the republic in memory of the tragedy of the war and of the victory won in May 1945.

Lukashenko:

Now that the feat of our people is being questioned, we are doing everything so that those who still believe that Hitler "brought civilization to the Slavs" will learn the truth. In the eyes of the enemy, Belarusians, Ukrainians and Russians were not human. The Nazis came to our lands in order to find "human material" on the orders of the Führer, who would cultivate the fields and feed the great German nation. In the village of Ola, which became the last refuge for residents of the surrounding villages, almost two thousand people were burned, more than half of whom were children. These are twelve Khatyn!

According to Alexander Lukashenko, Belarus will never allow Nazism to raise its head on Belarusian soil, and will never betray the memory of the victors who saved the world from Nazi executioners.

According to the President of Belarus, Belarus is genuine history in stone today he answers those who prefer to forget the history of the Second World War or to shift the emphasis in this history.

Recall tomorrow - June 22 - a mournful date in the history of our peoples - 79 years ago, Hitlerite Germany attacked the Soviet Union. The war claimed, according to conservative estimates, about 26 million lives of Soviet citizens.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 June 2020 12: 29
    40
    Here Lukashenko well done ... There is nothing to argue. And only Germans burned this village? Or did the assistants distinguish themselves? Like in other Belarusian villages? In Khatyn, for example?
    1. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 12: 32
      107 th
      Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn. And not the Germans.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 21 June 2020 12: 35
        22
        Quote: ZeevZeev
        And not the Germans.

        This is a question. To Burdenko ... And his commission. He seems to be headed?
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 21 June 2020 12: 55
          +9
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Or did the assistants distinguish themselves?

          The Germans specially trained such assistants in Polish Herbalists.
          They themselves did not want to get dirty ...
          Who cares about Ola:
          1. 4ekist
            4ekist 21 June 2020 13: 06
            -5
            On NTV begins t / s "Alex Lyuty" on real events, I advise everyone to watch.
        2. Zeev zeev
          Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 13: 35
          51 th
          Burdenko was told to write that the Polish officers captured by the Red Army were killed by the Germans, and he wrote this. The truth about such "trifles" as the complete absence of German documentation of both the capture of these prisoners and their execution, the commission of 1944 somehow forgot to mention. This despite the fact that the Germans have always been known for their love of bureaucracy. By the way, Katyn was not the only place of mass executions of Polish officers. Of the 40 thousand Poles shot in Katyn, only 21 thousand people were killed. The rest were shot in prisons and other shooting ranges.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 21 June 2020 13: 43
            33
            Quote: ZeevZeev
            Katyn was not the only place of mass executions of Polish officers. Of the 40 thousand executed Poles in Katyn, only 21 thousand people were killed. The rest were shot in prisons and other shooting ranges

            We have already heard these tales ... As well as the fact that the NKVD specially bought German pistols, so that later they could blame the execution on the Germans. Is it in the 40th? Did you already know that we’ll hand over Smolensk to the Germans?
            And about the German archives - there is Goebbels correspondence ... Here are documents about the burning of Ola or Khatyn - are there many in the German archives? They do not bother with writings on such an insignificant occasion for them!
            Here the NKVD bother. Because fake launched in the 90s.
            1. Zeev zeev
              Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 14: 18
              41 th
              The NKVD bought German pistols because it was a good, compact police pistol. By the way, in Katyn they also used Browning, inherited from the gendarmes.
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 21 June 2020 14: 27
                15
                Quote: ZeevZeev
                The NKVD bought German pistols because it was a good, compact police pistol. By the way, in Katyn they also used Browning, inherited from the gendarmes.

                And ammo too? And there are NO traces of purchase left in the archives? Apparently, you bought "black cash"?
                1. Zeev zeev
                  Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 14: 44
                  25 th
                  The official response of the cartridge manufacturer in 1943.
                  "Returning the materials handed over to us (1 cartridge, 2 cases and 1 bullet), we inform you that, judging by the markings on the bottoms of the cases, these cartridges should have been produced by our plant in Durlakh in 1922-1931.
                  We enclose a sketch drawing on which you can see the markings [embossing, stamping] on the bottoms of the cartridges used in recent decades for our pistol cartridges.
                  It is not possible to establish where the pistol cartridges in question were supplied. In the years under review, our pistol cartridges were delivered to almost all European countries - in any case, 7,65 caliber pistol cartridges. Until 1928, there were deliveries in large volumes to Russia, including the supply of cartridges of the specified caliber. After 1928, deliveries to Russia continued, but, as a rule, in small volumes.
                  Until 1930, deliveries were also made to Poland - possibly also in small volumes.
                  As a rule, pistol cartridges of this type were constantly supplied to the coastal states of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. "
                  1. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 21 June 2020 15: 22
                    12
                    Quote: ZeevZeev
                    It is not possible to establish where the pistol cartridges in question were supplied. In the years under review, our pistol cartridges were delivered to almost all European countries - in any case,

                    The presumption of guilt? Hiley Likely? What about pistols? This is the NKVD. On the territory. There is no war yet. And they already give out foreign pistols for execution?
                    And just like that? And no traces of the existence of this non-standard weapon in service with the NKVD. Can you even imagine the circulation of hundreds of pistols like "Walter" PPK in the USSR without any documentary traces? No, I don't believe ...
                    1. Zeev zeev
                      Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 15: 26
                      28 th
                      The NKVD massively used both Walther and Browning for executions before the war. And not only the Poles, and not only in Katyn.
                      1. Pravodel
                        Pravodel 21 June 2020 15: 33
                        22
                        Of course, all this is the machinations of the ill-fated and sworn NKVD and the commissars.
                        This NKVD invented the Cyclone-B gas, and then gave it to the Germans free of charge, so that they would poison our people, Jews and all those unwanted in the gas chambers.
                        This NKVD burned Belarusian, Ukrainian, Russian villages and cities, and then the Germans dumped everything. It was necessary to blame someone.
                        This NKVD kept our prisoners in fields surrounded by barbed wire without water, food, the possibility of feces, and then everything was dumped on the Germans. This damned commissioners arranged. It was necessary to blame someone.
                        This NKVD shot women and children in the Brest Fortress, and then blamed everything on the Germans. It was necessary to blame someone.
                        This NKVD crushed our captured and unarmed soldiers with tanks, and then the Germans dumped everything.
                        It was the NKVD and the commissars who shot and killed residents in the villages, women and children, dumped their corpses in wells, throwing not even killed children there, and then dumped everything on the Germans. It was necessary to blame someone.
                        It was the NKVD and the commissars who cut stars on the bodies of the Red Army soldiers, hung them, drove them out into the cold, pouring cold water, tortured General Karbyshev like that, and then blamed everything on the Germans. It was necessary to blame someone.
                        It was the NKVD and the commissars who crushed gypsy camps with tanks, and the remaining gypsies were either killed or driven to extermination camps, and then everything was dumped on the Germans. It was necessary to blame someone.
                        It was the NKVD and the commissars who pumped blood from the children, and their bodies were thrown out to rot, and then everything was dumped on the Germans. It was necessary to blame someone.
                        It was the NKVD and the commissars who surrounded Leningrad, starved its inhabitants, and shot the city with long-range guns and bombed regularly, destroying more than 1 million of its inhabitants, and then dumped them all on the Germans. It was necessary to blame someone.
                        Yes, and in general, the Germans did not fight against our army and our people, but against the damned NKVD and the commissars who oppressed the Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian and other peoples of the USSR ...
                        To what vileness can and do come ... liberators, defenders of fascism and all scum.
                      2. Zeev zeev
                        Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 16: 38
                        24 th
                        What is this message for? The crimes of the Nazis are known to everyone, but this absolutely does not justify either the Gulag camps, or the mass shootings at the training grounds, or the deportation of entire peoples, or dispossession of kulaks ... There is no question of where the barrack is warmer and more comfortable - in Ozerlag or Dachau. This is a barrack anyway. Perhaps you think that the crimes of the Soviet system are not crimes at all, because they are "ours". I think a little differently, and I think that the difference between the family of Soviet Germans thrown out in the middle of the bare Kazakh steppe, where all the men were taken to cut down the forest in Siberia, or the Belarusian family thrown out in the middle of the winter forest, where all the men were taken to work in Germany, by and large is not.
                      3. MstislavHrabr
                        MstislavHrabr 21 June 2020 17: 57
                        11
                        The deportation of Germans by the Soviet government to the Kazakh steppe is just berries compared to the deportation of Germans from Poland after the war. Yes, Hitler was a fascist and a bastard. But what is to blame for the peaceful, unattended women and children whom the Poles evicted from their homes, dooming them to hunger and depriving them of their last refuge ... Thousands of innocents died during the resettlement ... Poles should kneel before these women and children ... And until they do this they should shut up, and not tell the Russians why we should still obey ...
                      4. beeper
                        beeper 22 June 2020 13: 29
                        +1
                        hi Dear MstislavHrabr, it was still lucky for those "evicted" Germans who, for some reason (did not track them ?!), were given the opportunity to escape from their homes naked and barefoot, but at least alive!
                        Often they, all the tenants (young and old), their own neighbors, the local Poles killed corny and robbed, throwing or burying the bodies of the victims nearby, and there was nothing for them! request
                        This is how entire German families "disappeared" (as well as Jewish ones - and not only during the post-war Jewish pogroms in Poland !!!) families - their fate is local (just don't say that the Soviet authorities contributed to this, since "on the path of socialism "post-war bourgeois Poland did not rise up immediately, and not in 1945 !!!) the Polish authorities were not interested, they were only interested in" creating a Polish mononation "and the fastest getting rid of any non-Poles on the territory they got!
                        In this military and post-war ethnogenocide of the entire non-Polish population, the underground terrorist Army of Home (and the gangs of any criminal rabble accompanying it), from which, in today's Ameroholui NATO, revanchist Poland, they mold "white and fluffy" supposedly "heroic fighters for independence" !
                    2. forester1971
                      forester1971 21 June 2020 23: 23
                      +5
                      And your statement about Katyn in general was what? The article was about Khatyn and other villages burned by the Nazis and their assistants in the territory of the BSSR.
                2. Mountain shooter
                  Mountain shooter 21 June 2020 15: 44
                  +5
                  Quote: ZeevZeev
                  The NKVD massively used both "Walter" and "Browning" for executions before the war

                  Can I have a link? I didn’t know.
                3. BMP-2
                  BMP-2 21 June 2020 16: 47
                  +2
                  Oh, well, what link? Here, for starters, I would like to make sure that a friend has a certificate :). From an optometrist: he doesn’t see the difference between Хatyny and Кatyny! And if so, the topic of mass repressions becomes, well, very wide: well, let's discuss the terrorists from the Ku Klux Klan even then - I think Zeyev has something to say on this subject! :))
                4. Mountain shooter
                  Mountain shooter 21 June 2020 18: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: BMP-2
                  From the optometrist: he doesn’t see the difference between Khatyn and Katyn at point blank range

                  Where? The robot stuck, immediately corrected, as noted.
                  It seems that you need to ask for a certificate of mental health? So I don’t ask ...
                  The war was terrible, just the sea was pouring blood, but in 40 a lot of things hadn't happened yet. The NKVD was shaken, the executioners and zealous were shot - in the 39th. Some of the convicts returned from the camps. Mass repression has stopped. The composition of the NKVD has changed dramatically. And then suddenly - as if they had returned 37 years old. What, why, where from? Whom did these Poles interfere with in 40? Why was it necessary to "shoot" them urgently? And even in a hurry. Without drawing up any papers. This is strange. And it is not logical.
            2. Uncle Izya
              Uncle Izya 21 June 2020 19: 20
              +2
              Poles and Lithuanians massively killed Jews, for example, in the center of Vilna, a tailor was killed with sticks
            3. seregatara1969
              seregatara1969 21 June 2020 22: 24
              +2
              Poles beat Jews up to 47
          2. nemez
            nemez 22 June 2020 05: 49
            +1
            Where are the facts? And it is strange that a Jew protects both Poles and Germans.
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 21 June 2020 21: 05
    +2
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    Browning, inherited from the gendarmes, was also used in Katyn.

    The TT pistol and revolver "Nagant" were produced in such quantities that the gendarmerie "Browning" went into oblivion. You will also remember the single-shot times of the Japanese War of 1904, or you can also mention the flint ones. I understand your anger. What should we do?
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 21 June 2020 15: 32
    +7
    Of course, all this is the machinations of the ill-fated and sworn NKVD and the commissars.
    This NKVD invented the Cyclone-B gas, and then gave it to the Germans free of charge, so that they would poison our people, Jews and all those unwanted in the gas chambers.
    This NKVD burned Belarusian, Ukrainian, Russian villages and cities, and then the Germans dumped everything. It was necessary to blame someone.
    This NKVD kept our prisoners in fields surrounded by barbed wire without water, food, the possibility of feces, and then everything was dumped on the Germans. This damned commissioners arranged. It was necessary to blame someone.
    This NKVD shot women and children in the Brest Fortress, and then blamed everything on the Germans. It was necessary to blame someone.
    This NKVD crushed our captured and unarmed soldiers with tanks, and then the Germans dumped everything.
    It was the NKVD and the commissars who shot and killed residents in the villages, women and children, dumped their corpses in wells, throwing not even killed children there, and then dumped everything on the Germans. It was necessary to blame someone.
    It was the NKVD and the commissars who cut stars on the bodies of the Red Army soldiers, hung them, drove them out into the cold, pouring cold water, tortured General Karbyshev like that, and then blamed everything on the Germans. It was necessary to blame someone.
    It was the NKVD and the commissars who crushed gypsy camps with tanks, and the remaining gypsies were either killed or driven to extermination camps, and then everything was dumped on the Germans. It was necessary to blame someone.
    It was the NKVD and the commissars who pumped blood from the children, and their bodies were thrown out to rot, and then everything was dumped on the Germans. It was necessary to blame someone.
    Yes, and in general, the Germans did not fight against our army and our people, but against the damned NKVD and the commissars who oppressed the Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian and other peoples of the USSR ...
    To what vileness can and do come ... liberators, defenders of fascism and all scum.
    1. gsev
      gsev 22 June 2020 02: 35
      -4
      Quote: The Truth
      This NKVD invented the Cyclone-B gas,

      It’s just that the NKVD officers were not so clean as the SS. They shot people without emotional trauma. But Hitler had to invent sophisticated technology with gas in order to save performers from the sight of dying victims.
      1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
        Andrey Krasnoyarsky 23 June 2020 12: 16
        0
        If it's a joke, with a completely stupid one. Gas is simply cheaper than cartridges and allows you to kill many more people at once in a short time. The emotional experiences of the SS men have nothing to do with it. In the absence of gas, they shot without moral torment.
  • Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 21 June 2020 17: 21
    +5
    The rest were shot in prisons and other shooting ranges ...... and why are you bothering for the Nazis !!!! in the course of yours at Auschwitz, Buchenwald. Trerblyanka and in our Crimea on the 10th kilometer of the Feodosia Highway and on Golubaya Gorka a few of yours were shot by the Aiznsgroup and the SS, whose masochism woke you up !!!! good luck to burn at the hands of psheks
  • Alexey Ustelentsev
    Alexey Ustelentsev 21 June 2020 18: 21
    +5
    Hey, Bandera fool, if so, Hitler gave the Jewish people free medicine, education and culture in Dachau, Auschwitz, Treblinka, etc.
  • Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 21 June 2020 19: 19
    +1
    How dare you say that. Poland took another bite of the Czech Republic and your other brothers, the Lithuanians who petitioned and extradited Israeli general Uzi Arad that he wet the forest brothers, I put you a well-deserved minus
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 21 June 2020 20: 50
    +1
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    The rest were shot in prisons and other shooting ranges.

    I think you'd better keep quiet. Your people did not suffer from the NKVD and the Red Army during WWII. We condole with your people. But I somehow don’t understand you and some kind of unpleasant feeling after your words.
  • figwam
    figwam 21 June 2020 14: 55
    +6
    Fragments of newspapers of 1941-1942 were found in the pockets of the executed.
  • major147
    major147 21 June 2020 12: 39
    57
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn.

    Tens of thousands of Soviet prisoners were killed in Poland, and you will be surprised - they are not Germans either!
    1. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 13: 54
      37 th
      In Poland, several tens of thousands of citizens of the RSFSR and the former Russian Empire (not only captive Reds, but also interned White Guards) died of hunger, cold, and disease. They died, and were not purposefully killed. And these are two big differences. Of course, the Poles were not ends either, and there were shootings of prisoners, but there we are talking about hundreds, not tens of thousands.
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 21 June 2020 14: 01
        12
        Gallant sweets trained in a saber felling on prisoners.
      2. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin 21 June 2020 16: 57
        +6
        But it is necessary to perpetuate the memory of 65 Red Army soldiers who were destroyed in the Polish concentration camps of Pilsudski after 000. Those who have suffered martyrdom from hunger, disease, and cold. Or do you have double approaches? What, Kaczynski and the company have vanished for nothing?) As the version:

        "... As the conflict in Poland approached, anti-German propaganda grew. On September 3, 1939, units of the Polish army, gendarmerie and police, as well as individual civilians, massacred the peaceful German population of the cities of Bydgoszcz (formerly German Bromberg), Schulitze, and also in dozens of cities in the Poznan (Posen) region. The advancing Wehrmacht units that entered these cities found that their streets were covered with the corpses of men, women, young children and the elderly. Mass graves were also found in the urban environs.

        15 thousand corpses were identified, but many bodies were not identified, and according to some reports, about 58 thousand people were killed.

        Among the dead were babies and young children with their hands tied back and skulls proliferated, young girls punctured with bayonets, old men burnt alive. In Bromberg, a Protestant church was burned, dozens of German houses were destroyed and robbed.

        Polish rioters from among the officers, policemen and gendarmes did not expect anything good from the Germans and rushed under Uncle Joe’s wing ... The Gestapo conducted a preliminary investigation and calculated the persons involved in the bloody massacre who were sitting in camps under the protection of Comrade Stalin ... the Germans demanded to identify among the internees Poles of criminals, according to the presented lists, and to concentrate them in special camps ... as a sign of friendship, Iosif Vissarionovich handed Adolf Aloizych this interned crowd of traitors in Polish military uniforms ... the Germans seized the goods and paid off the bullets of the Walter Parabelums for the Polish genocide of the peaceful German population ...

        Already in 43, J. Goebbels asserted that it was the "Jews in the Kremlin" who committed the Katyn atrocity ... "
      3. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 21 June 2020 18: 01
        +3
        Tens of thousands of prisoners of war during the civil war died of starvation in concentration camps in Poland. Yes, they were not shot, but this does not mean that they were not intentionally killed ...
      4. nemez
        nemez 22 June 2020 05: 57
        0
        You're lying frankly right now.
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 22 June 2020 07: 43
        +1
        Quote: ZeevZeev
        Of course, the Poles were not ends either, and there were shootings of prisoners, but there we are talking about hundreds, not tens of thousands.


        This is the camp of the Red Army prisoners of war in Poland, they could not survive under such conditions, they were killed and died, judge for yourself.
      6. cmax
        cmax 22 June 2020 09: 40
        +2
        ZeevZeev Sometimes it is better to shut up, would pass for the competent. It happens, they write about the destroyed villages of Belarus, and this gentleman would only .............
      7. Yury Siritsky
        Yury Siritsky 22 June 2020 12: 23
        0
        You need to seem like a psychiatrist. Your sore is too neglected.
      8. tarakan
        tarakan 22 June 2020 16: 05
        +1
        Respectfully, but you yourself read that you wrote to (zevzev) to starve to death 10000 more humane than to shoot. "I had a different opinion about you."
      9. tranquil
        tranquil 23 June 2020 13: 00
        0
        Quote: ZeevZeev
        They died, and were not purposefully killed.

        "They died, and were not purposefully killed." - They were precisely purposefully killed, starved to death. How safer and more cynical to react to others.
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 21 June 2020 12: 40
    43
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn. And not the Germans.

    Stop lying and repeating the gobbels of Goebbels propaganda, the execution of the Polish officers was carried out by the Nazis and the Nuremberg trials unequivocally recognized this.
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 21 June 2020 13: 13
      16
      Quote: Malyuta
      Nazi officers were shot

      It has long been proven, I do not understand who periodically discusses this topic ...
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 21 June 2020 13: 55
        11
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        It has long been proven, I do not understand who periodically discusses this topic ...

        How is that? We have not so long ago - Kachinsky was still alive - officially admitted guilt for Katyn ...
        All for the sake of relations with Poland. But then the pans under Smolensokm unsuccessfully landed on a birch, so everything went to dust, and the false admission of guilt did not go away ...
      2. Junior Private
        Junior Private 21 June 2020 17: 26
        +2
        Now our distant Israeli friend is exaggerating, and it’s characteristic that his own people don’t pull him. It looks like another provocation.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 21 June 2020 20: 56
          +1
          To pay attention to distant nearby ones - it hurts a lot of honor ...
    2. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 13: 37
      30 th
      At the Nuremberg trials, executions in Katyn were not discussed at all, as far as I remember. If you have other information, give a link to the case.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 21 June 2020 13: 57
        18
        Quote: ZeevZeev
        At the Nuremberg trials, executions in Katyn were not discussed at all, as far as I remember.

        You do not remember well!
        1On February 4, 1946, the Deputy Chief Prosecutor from the USSR, Yu.V. Pokrovsky, along with other documents, submitted to the court - and he received them under the number of USSR-54 - The official materials of the Special Commission Burdenko to establish and investigate the circumstances of the shooting of captured Poles near Katyn, confirming the Germans' fault in this. Before handing them over, Y. Pokrovsky announced the main findings of the forensic medical examination — all this is fully reflected in the transcript of the tribunal.
        Threat. Read the article by V.I. Ilyukhina, everything is described in great detail in it. hi
        1. Zeev zeev
          Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 14: 29
          19 th
          Yes you are right. The USSR tried to write Katyn into the crimes of the Germans. Result: “For lack of evidence, do not include the Katyn case in the sentence of the International Military Tribunal”
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 22 June 2020 07: 58
          +1
          Quote: Malyuta
          Read the article by V.I. Ilyukhina, everything is described in great detail in it.

          And on our site there is a good article dated March 7, 1911, https://topwar.ru/3606-katynskij-vopros-na-nyurnbergskom-processe-ili-eshhyo-raz-ob-urokax-istorii.html
      2. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 14: 52
        -1
        Verbatim record of the meeting of MVT July 4-5, 46 Speech by defender Otto Stamer is a very curious document.
        Nikitchenko clutched at Article 21 of the MVT Charter on adoption without evidence and demanded a challenge to the defense to attract witnesses. But Judge Lawrence broke it off. Therefore, the Katyn case was a failure of Soviet jurisprudence in Nuremberg.
      3. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 21 June 2020 20: 24
        +1
        Quote: ZeevZeev
        as long as I remember.

        I agreed that I didn’t notice how I burned. yes Amusing instances come across. laughing
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 22 June 2020 07: 56
        +1
        Quote: ZeevZeev
        At the Nuremberg trials, executions in Katyn were not discussed at all, as far as I remember.

        So you can agree that at the Nuremberg trials and other German atrocities were not discussed.
    3. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 14: 41
      +1
      Quote: Malyuta
      The Nuremberg trials unequivocally recognized this.

      The MVT did not admit anything, there is no need for 'unequivocally'. Rudenko did not agree with the proposal to make Katyn a figure of silence and as a result received a rather unpleasant legal failure. By increasing the number of Polish corpses from 11 in the original indictment to 21, he hoped for Article XNUMX of the IMT Charter - "acceptance without proof." But it was not there. Stamer replayed the Soviet prosecution and insisted on calling witnesses. In general, we read the transcripts. There is no trace of unambiguity, Stamer cleverly rocked the accusation. Otherwise, they would not return to this issue periodically.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 21 June 2020 18: 00
        +3
        Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
        In general, we read the transcripts. There is no unambiguity in sight, Stamer deftly rocked the accusation. Otherwise, this issue would not be returned periodically.

        I hope you yourself understand that against the background of collecting materials about the millions of dead, to deal with the evidence base over several thousand dead Poles, the Soviet prosecution was somehow not at hand - the scale is not the same.
        But I always ask the lovers of the "truth" about the executed Poles a simple question - where did the about 22 thousand Polish prisoners who were captured by the Germans on June 2, who were in the Brigidki prison in the Brest Fortress, gone? And there were from 30 to 40 such prisons where Poles were kept in the Western regions of Belarus and Ukraine (according to various sources) and which were not evacuated. Why do neither the Poles nor the Germans ever remember where these Poles went after June 22, and there is still no material on the Internet about this.
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 18: 35
          -4
          Quote: ccsr
          against the background of collecting materials about the millions of dead, to deal with the evidence base over several thousand dead Poles, the Soviet prosecution was somehow not at hand

          Hand or out of hand, the accusation was brought in Nuremberg, right? We wanted to close this case once and for all in our favor, but alas. The topic was painful - formally because of it, in fact, the USSR buried the Maisky-Sikorsky agreement, but here it is, this is a capitulatory agreement, and it was not "from the hand" of Stalin.
          Quote: ccsr
          But I always ask the lovers of the "truth" about the executed Poles a simple question

          Ask Merkulov.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 21 June 2020 12: 42
    24
    And where does Katyn come from? Where is Khatyn, and where is Katyn? But the Poles were shot by the Germans or our question is very big. You should learn geography with history from serious textbooks, and not from the delirium of various liberals.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 21 June 2020 12: 50
    23
    If labeled with an alcoholic recognized this, then Personally, I do not.
    1. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 14: 11
      19 th
      If Putin and Medvedev and the State Duma of the Russian Federation have recognized, then you are not? Well, your right.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 21 June 2020 15: 46
        +6
        Quote: ZeevZeev
        If Putin and Medvedev and the State Duma of the Russian Federation have recognized, then you are not? Well, your right.

        I will surprise you - you can admit anything, for example, that Israel is occupying the land of Palestine ...
      2. Uncle Izya
        Uncle Izya 21 June 2020 19: 23
        +3
        If I had a time machine, I would send you to Poland at the age of 39 to feel the delights of life; Bulak Balakhovich might have come across)
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 21 June 2020 20: 53
          +1
          Quote: Uncle Izya
          If I had a time machine, I would send you to Poland at the age of 39 to feel the delights of life; Bulak Balakhovich might have come across)

          Better in the 33rd to Western Ukraine - to feel where the real "cold sea" was ...
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 12: 50
    +9
    Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn. And not the Germans.

    Why was it impossible to shoot enemies? They are military, they knew what they were going for.
    The NKVD just does not shoot. Just for the cause.
    How many Poles starved thousands of Red Army men in the 20s? Retribution overtook the Poles.
    1. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 14: 08
      20 th
      Because prisoners of war cannot be shot. In addition to those that were convicted of crimes against civilians.
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 14: 34
        +9
        Quote: ZeevZeev
        Because prisoners of war cannot be shot. In addition to those that were convicted of crimes against civilians.
        It was necessary to starve to starve how the Poles did, and then the Germans and Finns, Romanians, Hungarians, Italians and other Eurosworm.
        If you are a Pole, where is your repentance for the ruined prisoners of war of the Red Army and for the attack on the USSR?
        I teach children to shoot faster, so that they do not have time to raise their hands, so that later there will be no unnecessary conversations.
        1. Zeev zeev
          Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 14: 40
          18 th
          Poland attack on the USSR? What year? Caught in Polish captivity, the Red Army were captured UNDER WARSAW. In the year 1920. The USSR was created in 1922.
          1. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 14: 44
            +8
            Quote: ZeevZeev
            Poland attack on the USSR? What year?

            Даже в Википедии написано "..В конце февраля...". Прикинь. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0
            "... At the end of February, Polish troops crossed the Neman and launched an offensive on the territory of Soviet Belarus ..."
            You did not know?
            1. Zeev zeev
              Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 15: 28
              11 th
              Soviet Belarus or captured by the RSFSR Belarusian People's Republic? It depends on which side you are looking at.
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 21 June 2020 15: 52
                +3
                Quote: ZeevZeev
                It depends on which side you are looking at.

                Only on the one hand - from the side of historical documents ...

                By the way - and Lithuania was also captured by the RSFSR, since Poland didn’t attack it and seized the capital already?
                1. Zeev zeev
                  Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 18: 32
                  -2
                  By a tacit order of Jozef Pilsudski, L. Zheligovsky formed an operational military group of 15 people, the core of which was part of the 393st Lithuanian-Belarusian Division (Polish. 1 Dywizja Litewsko-Białoruska), and on October 1 supposedly independently moved it to Vilna, imitating disobedience supreme command. The actions of units formed from natives of Vilna and the Vilna Territory should have been spontaneous, expressing the will of the population, and looked like the return of their rightful owners to their homeland.
                  And Warsaw answered all inquiries "ichtamnet".
                  1. Uncle Izya
                    Uncle Izya 21 June 2020 19: 25
                    0
                    Polish besiegers lived in western Belarus and their fate is not enviable, as the Belarusians cut them out in 40. learn history
                  2. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 21 June 2020 20: 51
                    +2
                    Oops! What kind of disgrace is it? Poland, turns out to be not a victim of aggression, but a petty and disgusting aggressor-non-imperialist who has received what he deserves from stronger players ?! Oh no no no! What a cramola! Not otherwise, everything is "the hand of the Kremlin"!
              2. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 21 June 2020 20: 33
                +2
                Poles (until November 1917), in particular Warsaw were part of the Russian state (Empire) - V.I. Lenin granted his state to the Poles - what do the Poles complain about?
              3. gsev
                gsev 22 June 2020 02: 45
                +1
                Quote: ZeevZeev
                or captured by the RSFSR of the Belarusian People’s Republic?

                BNR as the Hetman Ukraine of 1918 is a type of occupational German administration of the Russian territory.
              4. Yury Siritsky
                Yury Siritsky 22 June 2020 12: 28
                0
                You are my friend completely sick on the head.
          2. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 15: 06
            +7
            Quote: ZeevZeev
            Caught in Polish captivity, the Red Army were captured UNDER WARSAW.
            in 1945 the Red Army found itself near Berlin.

            how is it about the return of German lands issued by Stalin?
            1. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 21: 02
              -1
              Quote: hhhhhhh
              how is it about the return of German lands issued by Stalin?

              Did Stalin give them away alone? Two of the Big Three have nothing to do with it? All issues were resolved collectively.
              1. hhhhhhh
                hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 21: 09
                0
                Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
                Did Stalin give them away alone? Two of the Big Three have nothing to do with it? All issues were resolved collectively.

                Only Stalin was for Poland, the other two were for liquidation, as in the time of the Tsar.
                1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                  Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 21: 53
                  -4
                  Quote: hhhhhhh
                  the other two were for liquidation as in the time of the Tsar.

                  do not talk nonsense. What does "liquidation" mean? Churchill supported Stalin in almost everything with regard to the eastern border, and yelled at Mikolaichik in October 44, calling him a nutcase when he whined about the return of territories. Like, if you idiots are going to fight Stalin, then we wash our hands, and the Russians will crush you like bedbugs. Nobody was going to liquidate Poland.
                  1. hhhhhhh
                    hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 21: 55
                    -1
                    Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
                    No one was going to eliminate Poland.

                    Sections of the Commonwealth of this myth invented by the Russians. As you say.
                  2. Dr. Frankenstucker
                    Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 22: 02
                    -4
                    Quote: hhhhhhh
                    Sections of the Commonwealth of this myth invented by the Russians. As you say.

                    What does the myth have to do with it? I answered a rather stupid thesis that the United States and Britain, they say, wanted to eliminate Poland during and after WWII. After all, this is what you gave out:
                    Quote: hhhhhhh
                    Only Stalin was for Poland, the other two were for liquidation, as in the time of the Tsar.

                    Your words?
                    I was not going to discuss Rzeczpospolita and the "times of the tsar".
                  3. hhhhhhh
                    hhhhhhh 22 June 2020 09: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
                    I answered a rather stupid thesis,

                    Stupid was your answer.
                  4. Dr. Frankenstucker
                    Dr. Frankenstucker 22 June 2020 09: 31
                    -4
                    listen, my dear, the term "liquidate" is more or less appropriate to Churchill's plans for Germany after the war - yes, back and forth. This does not apply to Poland. The question was about its boundaries and its leadership. In principle, no one disputed the existence of Poland as a state. Therefore, your thesis is stupid.
                  5. hhhhhhh
                    hhhhhhh 22 June 2020 09: 35
                    0
                    You don’t go to work at all?))) Or you can’t sleep until you expose all the jokes in the world.)))
                    I’m banned for trolling again because of you.)))
  • bk0010
    bk0010 21 June 2020 19: 52
    0
    From captured Poles the Army of Craiova and the Army of Ludov were created. You claim that zombies fought there? And if not, what is the difference between those who were in AK and AL from those who were buried in Katyn?
  • tranquil
    tranquil 23 June 2020 12: 52
    0
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    Because prisoners of war cannot be shot

    And starve, as was done with our Poles - apparently, it is possible.
  • Dr. Frankenstucker
    Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 15: 03
    -7
    Quote: hhhhhhh
    Why was it impossible to shoot enemies? They are military, they knew what they were going for.

    Hrenase statement .... Dear, do you even think when you write this? Shooting prisoners of war - this is the norm, in your opinion or what?
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 15: 38
      0
      Gereng with shobla also surrendered and hanged many. Banderas surrendered and hanged.
      Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
      Shooting prisoners of war - this is the norm, in your opinion or what?

      XXI century in the yard, now torture is allowed and secret prisons. When the slogan "The lives of all are important" - a manifestation of racism, you throw me some.
      Surrender does not exempt from retaliation for crimes against Russia. Why could the NKVD not be able to shoot the Poles fierce in Ukraine and Belarus, accidentally caught under them?
      Surrendered and untouchables?
      In your opinion, the Finns shooting prisoners of war prisoners?
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 15: 57
        -3
        all is not without sin. But to consider shooting prisoners the norm is too much.
        Quote: hhhhhhh
        Surrender does not exempt from retaliation for crimes against Russia

        that is, can be put to the wall without trial and investigation?
        1. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 15: 59
          -1
          Quote: hhhhhhh
          In your opinion, the Finns shooting prisoners of war prisoners?

          Didn't see the answer? ("you" is plural)
          1. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 16: 38
            -1
            The trial of Finnish war criminals took place in November 1945
            1. hhhhhhh
              hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 16: 43
              -1
              Now they will find more. They will remember Vyborg in 1918.
              1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 16: 44
                -3
                do not remember.
                1. hhhhhhh
                  hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 16: 46
                  0
                  They recently unearthed the Estonians. Excavate and the Finns. Anyone who opens his mouth will be presented.
                2. Dr. Frankenstucker
                  Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 16: 47
                  -4
                  will not be. This is a dead end. Wishing to take revenge digs two graves.
                3. hhhhhhh
                  hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 17: 30
                  -1
                  Retribution is not revenge.
                  Do you want to say revenge on Lukashenko?
                4. Dr. Frankenstucker
                  Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 18: 29
                  -5
                  To whom? Old Man is procrastinating his bond, Putin is his. Both play sacralization.
                5. hhhhhhh
                  hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 20: 03
                  -1
                  Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                  To whom? Old Man is procrastinating his bond, Putin is his. Both play sacralization.

                  For the murder by civilized Europeans of civilians in Belarus and Russia should be forgotten? If only no one suspected of scrapie.
                6. Dr. Frankenstucker
                  Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 22: 15
                  -4
                  Quote: hhhhhhh
                  Retribution is not revenge.

                  demagogy.
                  what and whom is the dad going to "retaliate"?
                7. hhhhhhh
                  hhhhhhh 22 June 2020 09: 17
                  -1
                  [quote = Dr. Frankenshtuzer] what and who is the dad going to "retaliate" for? [quote = hhhhhhh]
                  Stupid demagogy about scrapes. As soon as the Russians begin to present to civilized Europeans, demagogues immediately appear who talk about improper scrapings.
                  Only the inventions of the West about the Holodomor, the Soviet occupation and other rubbish are correct and we must pray for them.
                  Every time there is a wise guy and starts:
                  [quote = Dr. Frankenstucker] Old Man is fumbling his brace, Putin is his. Both play sacralization. [Quote = hhhhhhh]
                  Only Western-approved sacralization is true.
  • yfast
    yfast 22 June 2020 09: 57
    +1
    Is starving and cold more humane? This is for sadists.
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 22 June 2020 11: 38
      -4
      Quote: yfast
      Is starving and cold more humane? This is for sadists.


      right. The wall of mercy. A bullet in the back of the head is the height of humanity.
  • Avior
    Avior 21 June 2020 20: 18
    -2
    Because the execution of prisoners of war is a recognized war crime, violation of the Hague and Geneva Conventions.
  • knn54
    knn54 21 June 2020 13: 13
    14
    Zeev. If thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn, where did they come from in the army of Anders, who left for Iran, in the 1st Polish army, which fought along with the Soviet units.
    Already tired of sending "doubters" to a French source, where EVERYTHING is laid out on the shelves.
    Khatyn remembers, Salaspils "forgot".
    1. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 14: 05
      15 th
      The officers in Anders' army were different. And "unfinished" and spare (like Jerzy Peterburgsky, composer of "Blue Handkerchief" and "Burnt Sun"), and advanced sergeants. Anyone. But among them there were no more than forty thousand executed.
      1. Deniska999
        Deniska999 21 June 2020 14: 13
        +3
        Well, they shot, what are you experiencing so.
        1. figwam
          figwam 21 June 2020 18: 32
          +1
          Quote: Deniska999
          Well, they shot, what are you experiencing so.

          He can’t eat straight in Israel, as he wants to throw excrement against us on the fan.
      2. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 14: 36
        +5
        Quote: ZeevZeev
        But among them there were no more than forty thousand executed.

        Even Goebels had less in the report.
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 15: 08
          -1
          So in the initial bill of indictment of the MVT of October 6, 1945, there was also a figure of 925 executed. A week later, Vyshinsky admonished with the number 11 thousand.
          1. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 15: 09
            0
            Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
            A week later, Vyshinsky admonished with the number 11 thousand.

            Just filed all the documents.
            What kind of assaults on Vyshinsky?
            1. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 15: 21
              0
              Whose? Commissions Burdenko, who was thrust into the linden made by Merkulov? My comrade Merkulov, on the part of Polish convicts, was snouting heavily. He knew how to set against the wall.
              1. hhhhhhh
                hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 15: 24
                +2
                Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
                He knew how to set against the wall.
                Those who kill Russian should be put to the wall. I did it right.
                1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                  Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 15: 53
                  -1
                  well, it was necessary to cover this story under the rug (which was also hinted at by the partners in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who also had their own dirty linen), and not pulled out in Nuremberg in order to publicly screw up.
                  1. hhhhhhh
                    hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 15: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
                    well, it was necessary to cover this story under the rug (which was also hinted at by the partners in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who also had their own dirty linen), and not pulled out in Nuremberg in order to publicly screw up.

                    Who told you they screwed up? The NKVD had the right, but the Germans shot it. Soon this question will be closed, they will write in Katyn, the Germans shot. In Khatyn, Ukrainians.
                  2. Dr. Frankenstucker
                    Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 16: 01
                    -2
                    Quote: hhhhhhh
                    Who told you they screwed up?

                    The materials of the Nuremberg Tribunal actually told me this. I believe you have at least the time to read the source.
                  3. hhhhhhh
                    hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 16: 03
                    0
                    Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
                    The materials of the Nuremberg Tribunal actually told me this. I believe you have at least the time to read the source.

                    The materials written to blame the NKVD? Anyone convicted not of Nuremberg is innocent?
                    Who shot?
                  4. Dr. Frankenstucker
                    Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 16: 11
                    0
                    Yes, you read and find, my dear. Do you even catch the point a little - the USSR has charged Germany, hoping for article 21 of the charter and the fact that the accused will be denied the right to defense. That is, the Soviet Union wanted in Nuremberg to quickly and once and for all close the issue, dumping everything on the Germans by the right of the winner. But an epic bummer came out, and the Germans' guilt by the defense, which insisted on inviting defense witnesses, was not proven. Dear NKVD, dear, no one has brought charges, no need to juggle. .
                  5. hhhhhhh
                    hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 16: 20
                    -2
                    Yes, a lot of things were not presented then. For example, the delivery of Coca-Cola by the Americans to the Germans? This does not mean that it is impossible now. Poo presenting threw for Munich. whether it will be further.
                    "Having blamed everything on the Germans" is not over yet, the Germans admit.
                  6. Dr. Frankenstucker
                    Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 16: 31
                    -1
                    Quote: hhhhhhh
                    Poo presenting threw for Munich.

                    but do not tell me - "I threw it." The West doesn’t give a damn about it. This article is for those who unconditionally believe in the First Channel or even first heard about Munich-38. What's new he wrote?
                  7. hhhhhhh
                    hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 16: 38
                    -1
                    Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
                    What did he write something new?

                    This is just the beginning.)))
                    In 2008, Pu told you a trendy man, no one believed.)))
                  8. Dr. Frankenstucker
                    Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 16: 42
                    -1
                    The meaning of the Munich speech is somewhat different)
                  9. hhhhhhh
                    hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 16: 44
                    -1
                    Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
                    The meaning of the Munich speech is somewhat different)

                    They did not keep their word, now you are a trend.
      3. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 16: 10
        -1
        Maybe there was a court in Katyn?
      4. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 16: 23
        0
        It was the same about the consideration of the Katyn case in the MWT. Nobody's fault is officially established - neither the Germans, nor the NKVD. Revenges of Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Medvedev before the Poles with indistinct repentance do not consider evidence. Either a criminal investigation, prosecution and trial, or tries. The question is still open. And to assert unsubstantiated "killed the Germans" or "killed the NKVD" I consider coffee grounds.
      5. MMX
        MMX 21 June 2020 16: 37
        +2
        But the comrade ZeevZeev from the threshold chopped:
        Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn. And not the Germans.


        How will we perceive it? Coffee grounds?
      6. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 16: 39
        -3
        I don’t care what he cuts there.
      7. MMX
        MMX 21 June 2020 16: 46
        0
        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
        I don’t care what he cuts there.


        It is said that a lie repeated a thousand times becomes true. And if you still issue it at the highest level, then there really is no need for a court at all - read the well-known fact ...
      8. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 21 June 2020 18: 41
        -2
        absolutely true.
  • MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 21 June 2020 18: 09
    0
    So there were no 40 thousand there. Thousand lies there ...
  • Zeev zeev
    Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 18: 39
    -1
    I spoke about all the Polish officers who were "lost" (I quote Stalin) in Soviet captivity.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 June 2020 14: 08
    +5
    Do not confuse Khatyn with Katyn and do not cast a shadow on the wattle fence, the talker.
  • Basil50
    Basil50 21 June 2020 14: 09
    +5
    Polish girl
    The shooting of the RED ARMY WARRIORS in Katyn was carried out by the Germans, at the same time they shot the Poles there.
    The fact that then the Poles TOGETHER with the Germans began to yell about * the fault of the NKVD *. Even the British oh ... bullshit from that. No wonder they arranged a plane crash for Sikorsky and his hangers-on.
    Today's Poles build their country on the patterns of the thirties of the last century, when they were allies of Hitler and established a fascist regime. Insolent ........
    The fact that the Nazis began to smash their own allies - Poles, it was for that. The Poles achieved a military alliance with the Nazis and a little later concluded a military agreement with the French-British and planned, together with the now new allies, the capture of Germany.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 21 June 2020 14: 21
    +3
    Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn. And not the Germans.

    Just the Germans ... there are many little things indicating the work of German executioners.
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 21 June 2020 14: 36
    +5
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn. And not the Germans.

    True? And who? And exactly thousands, not tens of thousands? And how is it that the German newspapers of 1940 ended up with the Poles who were beaten there in 1942?
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 21 June 2020 14: 40
    +7
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn. AND

    In general, there is talk of a real tragedy about Khatyn and other Belarusian villages and villages that the Germans destroyed together with their assistants from LITHUANIA, LATVIA, ESTONIA, UKRAINE, POLAND! And not about the story sucked from a finger about the shooting of thousands of Poles in Katyn.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 21 June 2020 14: 48
      +3
      In general, there is talk of a real tragedy about Khatyn and other Belarusian villages and villages that the Germans destroyed together with their assistants from LITHUANIA, LATVIA, ESTONIA, UKRAINE, POLAND!

      ZeevZeev specifically removes members of the forum from this topic ... not good.
      1. Zeev zeev
        Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 16: 17
        -2
        We look below.
    2. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 16: 15
      -6
      I come from Bobruisk. In the Bobruisk region, in the Osipovich and Zhlobin region, in addition to the local city and rural police, three punitive battalions were formed in June 1942, engaged in both the fight against partisans, and the burning of villages, and the extermination of Jews (specifically, my relatives from Bobruisk and Shchedrin, not who managed to escape in 1941). Battalions "Berezina", "Dnepr", "Pripyat" - 601st, 602nd, 604th eastern battalions. So, the punishers of the above battalions were not from Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine or Poland. All three battalions were formed from RUSSIANS, and in the overwhelming majority of Soviet citizens, all officers were former commanders of the Red Army, a newspaper was published for the punishers (in Russian), concerts and performances were held (in Russian, of course), even May Day (May Day was a holiday and national-SOCIALIST Germany) demonstrations and parades (with banners in the same Russian language).
      And in the Bobruisk area there were partisans, one of whom was the writer Ales Adamovich, the author of the documentary story "I am from a burnt village", which became the basis for the script for Elem Klimov's film "Come and See". The story, like the film, is based on real events and the memories of eyewitnesses (including Ales Adamovich himself), therefore, together with the Germans, the village is burned not by the Ukrainian "Bandera" or Estonian "Kaiselites", which were not born in our area, but quite "Vlasovites" with the letters ROA and the Andreev flag on the chevrons, which the author of the script personally observed.
      And the next time you recall Belarus, Khatyn, traitors, punishers and the occupation, trying to talk about bad Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Poles, or someone else, remember three punitive battalions (and these were far from the only Russian collaborators in the blue-eyed), who killed, raped, robbed, burned residents of Belarus of different nationalities in the area of ​​the city of Bobruisk.
      PS To make it immediately clear, I have a negative attitude towards all the creatures that helped the Nazis kill civilians during the war without dividing them by nationality. And to the Russians, and to the Ukrainians, and to the Jews (let the Jews too have their own scoundrels), and to the Latvians, and to all, all, all ...
      PPS I completely forgot. Minusators - face.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 21 June 2020 16: 20
        +1
        All three battalions were formed from RUSSIAN, and the vast majority of Soviet citizens, all officers were former commanders of the Red Army,

        Oh and lie ...
        There were courts in the USSR over the punitive caught ... the nationalities and ranks and units in which they served were clearly voiced.
        1. Zeev zeev
          Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 18: 14
          -5
          Let's do a little test. Could you find on the Internet a picture of "Hanged Bandera" (just fill in this phrase in the search) and put the first pop-up result.
      2. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 21 June 2020 18: 32
        +1
        Battalions "Berezina", "Dnepr", "Pripyat" what were they called so - can you tell me? Is it not in the place of their formation? Yes, can you imagine, and Ukrainians, and Belarusians, and Russians in 1941 spoke mainly in Russian ... So you turn this claim to yourself, and not hang a label on the Russians. They were just nits and traitors. (It was necessary to find and neutralize them earlier. Sorry, they did not manage to send everyone to the Gulag. It's a pity ... otherwise they would light candles for these "fighters for justice" as if they were innocently tortured by the cruel Stalinist regime) ... in the country, neither the Vlasovites nor the Banderaites are erected monuments. And our president does not kiss their descendants and "successors of ideas" in the ass ... Which is what I wish for you ...
        1. Zeev zeev
          Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 18: 46
          -3
          In 1941, only the urban population of the BSSR and the Ukrainian SSR spoke Russian, and even that was not all. And in the villages and towns, the teacher at school knew Russian in general (Kozhedub described it very well in his memoirs).
          And these three punitive battalions were formed from prisoners captured in the Rzhev-Vyazemsky operation.
          1. MstislavHrabr
            MstislavHrabr 21 June 2020 19: 44
            +1
            This only applied to the territories annexed in 1939. More than 80% of today's Ukraine spoke surzhik (the current "Ukrainian" language was composed much later) or Russian, and read and wrote exclusively in Russian ...
    3. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 21 June 2020 17: 31
      +5
      Quote: Fitter65
      Quote: ZeevZeev
      Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn. AND

      In general, there is talk of a real tragedy about Khatyn and other Belarusian villages and villages that the Germans destroyed together with their assistants from LITHUANIA, LATVIA, ESTONIA, UKRAINE, POLAND! And not about the story sucked from a finger about the shooting of thousands of Poles in Katyn.

      And this is a typical technique of fluderast / provocateurs like "ZeevZeev": to divert the thread of discussion of the article aside and arrange a shit.
      Actually, this is directly prohibited by the Site Rules, but the modders "do not notice" this for unclear reasons
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 21 June 2020 15: 11
    +5
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn. And not the Germans.

    It is the GERMANS. This was proved back in January 1944 by an official, international commission. After that, there was no official investigation, only nonsense, like your words.
    1. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 21 June 2020 16: 16
      -4
      There was no international commission in 1944. There was a commission of the NKVD. Just like in 1943 there was a Gestapo commission.
      1. Avior
        Avior 21 June 2020 21: 58
        -1
        Not certainly in that way
        In 1943 it was international, including professors from Switzerland
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 21 June 2020 17: 28
    +3
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn. And not the Germans.

    Why is that - the air spoiled into the bushes? Far from the Germans - is this Goebbels authority in 1943 ???
    Why didn't you speak here about Stshalkovo and other concentration camps? And what about the number of 130 thousand Soviet prisoners of war from 1919 to 1922? according to various estimates, from 60 to 82,5 thousand people were killed. "By no means Germans" count up, yes. As ??? Where are you, a lover of anti-Russian humanism?
  • MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 21 June 2020 17: 35
    0
    All the same, the Germans killed them. We just didn’t need it ... Although, after what these Polish officers did with our prisoners of war during the civil war, I don’t feel sorry for them at all ...
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 21 June 2020 17: 57
    +2
    Why are you suddenly silent about the Soviet prisoners of war killed by the Poles? 60-82.5 thousand out of 130 thousand 20 years earlier and 1,5 -2 times more. Where is righteous anger ???
  • Captan78
    Captan78 21 June 2020 17: 57
    0
    Guys, Khatyn and Katyn are completely different settlements
  • WapentakeLokki
    WapentakeLokki 21 June 2020 18: 36
    +1
    ... during a campaign against Tukhachevsky in Warsaw, thousands of Red Army soldiers were captured .. and where they are ... who trained the pshek in rubelose no one cares ... so even if they used Pshek soviets in Katyn .. (.. elsie Karl. .if ..) with a statutory account about anything ..have the full right .. for an eye
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 21 June 2020 20: 44
    +1
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn. And not the Germans.

    And how many Jews were killed in Babi Yar, and also far from Germans.
  • seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 21 June 2020 22: 23
    0
    So what? Is Katyn a monument? So in Khatyn it is! Now, Ola is the memory of the dead NOT military people. Children and the elderly, those who could not escape from perdition. The officers are military men, they are also sorry for the bitterness. Only the Poles, too, a little bit their hands in the blood of captured soldiers stained in front of the Second World War. Forgot? And we are not
  • Armored beast
    Armored beast 22 June 2020 01: 39
    +1
    And what does Katyn have to do with it? Article about Ola and Khatyn! Do you have to stick your rotten 5 slits in it?
  • yfast
    yfast 22 June 2020 09: 38
    0
    They, of course, feel sorry. But officers are not children.
  • Yury Siritsky
    Yury Siritsky 22 June 2020 12: 16
    0
    Do not be an ass, do not repeat stupid things.
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 23 June 2020 12: 20
    0
    Even so, the Polish officers were soldiers of the enemy army (at that time). But among them there were no women and children. And they were not burned alive. To justify the crimes of the Nazi and Bandera executioners by the fact that the NKVD also, like someone once killed, is the height of stupidity and cynicism.
  • tranquil
    tranquil 23 June 2020 13: 03
    0
    Tens of thousands of Soviet prisoners were killed in Poland - cynically starved to death. And not the Germans.
  • Alexga
    Alexga 21 June 2020 12: 34
    12
    My friend, not in Katyn, but in Khatyn.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 21 June 2020 12: 37
      +8
      Quote: AlexGa
      Man, not in Katyn, but in Khatyn

      Corrected already. The computer editor climbs arm-and-arm all the time ... wassat
    2. loha
      loha 21 June 2020 12: 42
      +7
      not in Khatyn but in Khatyn ...
  • Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 21 June 2020 13: 11
    15
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    And only Germans burned this village? Or did the assistants distinguish themselves?

    Bandera especially distinguished themselves as assistants, do not forget about it.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 21 June 2020 13: 46
    +7
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Here Lukashenko well done ... There is nothing to argue.

    Well done, well done, but you just need not only to open memorials, but also not to hug the political descendants of Bandera and others, who, incidentally, burned Khatyn and, in general, were actively used as punishers. For some reason, Parashenka did not remember that he would not allow, that, they say, "to shift accents in this story."
  • revnagan
    revnagan 21 June 2020 15: 14
    +3
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    And only Germans burned this village? Or did the assistants distinguish themselves? Like in other Belarusian villages?

    German Nazis had enough assistants. Here are, for example:
    “Unlike the amusing, in essence, Vlasov ROA, which never outgrew the scale of the propaganda experiment, the Germans trusted the Cossacks much more, clearly specializing them in what they always liked - the role of punishers.
    The first time Cossack combat unit - “Russian Security Corps” (“Russian Security Corps Serbia”) under the command of Major General M.F. Starodubova, and later A.B. Shteyfona - created in September 1941. Created from Russian Cossack emigrants in the Balkans, diluted by Soviet prisoners of war from the camps. The personnel - about 17,5 thousand bayonets and about 5000 more Cossacks and Cossacks.
    --------------------------------
    The 15th Cossack Corps under the command of General Helmut von Pannwitz has a more complex genesis. He absorbed several disparate and small Cossack units operating at different theaters of operations - from the Soviet Cossack regiment of Major I.N. Kononova, on August 22, 1941, almost in full force (only some commissars refused), who ran to the Germans in the Mitte operational zone, before the Cossack battalion Theodosius, whose chief at one time was exactly von Pannwitz. On the basis of his former regiment and prisoners of war from the barrels of the Mitte operational zone, Kononov gathered about 3000 people for the year, brought into the 600th regiment of the Don Cossacks (later the 600th Don Cossack battalion). And only in April 1943 the battalion was included in the 1st Cossack division under the command of Pannwitz, which was formed from March to October 1943 in the Polish town of Mlawa.
    Since October 1943, the division has taken part in hostilities in Croatia against units of the People's Liberation Army of Yugoslavia and against the local population that supported the partisans. Her cruelty and sadism knew no bounds. On November 4, 1944, the division was reassigned to the command of the SS troops. And at the end of December, she fiercely - and successfully - fought directly with units of the Red Army near the Croatian city of Virovitica. "
    https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2018/06/20/76874-kazaki-karateli?print=true

    And here's another:
    "Comrade marching chieftain of the SS Cossack corps
    To the 75th anniversary of the transfer of the Cossacks in Judenburg in 1945.

    Cossacks Punishers

    The Wehrmacht reached the Cossack lands of the Lower Don in the summer of 1942. And immediately proceeded to the formation of the Cossack units. In October 1942, at the Cossack gathering in Novocherkassk, the historical capital of the Region of the Don Army, the Don Army was revived and its Headquarters was elected. Sergey Vasilievich Pavlov (1896–1944) becomes an ataman, before that a modest engineer at a steam locomotive plant in Novocherkassk and a former coronet of the tsarist army and a white Cossack colonel.
    The functionality of the brown Cossacks is traditional - punitive. They were going to serve Hitler "at home" - on the Don and in the Caucasus, but they did not manage to. The Red Army went on the offensive, and the Cossacks, together with their families, had to withdraw from their homes. "
    https://novayagazeta.livejournal.com/12865209.html
    So many villages were burned not by “only the Germans.” Are you proud of the actions of your fellow tribesmen in such actions? You wrote your post precisely in order to focus on the nationality of the Nazi accomplices, didn't you? But there were many people with ethical Russian surnames among these accomplices. Or did you do it so that they (the nationalists) feel ashamed? So naive? Or maybe this was done to instill a guilt complex in Ukrainians? Then, too, by the way. My grandfathers at that time liberated Europe from the Nazis, so I regard such a mention as an unsuccessful attempt to manipulate. To impose a feeling of guilt, and then to exploit. Give up this case. In addition to the fact that you are not a Jew, and Ukrainians are not Germans, it also looks ugly. Then they were not judged by nationalities. There were Soviet people (and those who beat the Nazis with them), and there were German Nazis and their lackeys, without clan and tribe.
    1. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 21 June 2020 18: 47
      +3
      I consider Ukrainians, Belarusians, Cossacks who consider Bandera and Vlasov asshole their brothers ... And those who praise Bandera are considered descendants of those who destroyed our Motherland and exterminated our people! those. MU DA KA MI ...
  • Benedict
    Benedict 21 June 2020 12: 34
    +9
    Is it possible that now Lukashenko will spread rot here too?
    Belarusians stood to death and partisan .. soldier
    I was in childhood at the memorial of the cobbled village of the famous one (and how many could not be counted) .. There was such silence, although there were a lot of people and children .. I will never forget this sensation! soldier
    1. loha
      loha 21 June 2020 12: 45
      +7
      To those who burned Khatyn, he now sells weapons so that they would not stand idle in the Donbass.
      1. Benedict
        Benedict 21 June 2020 13: 28
        -7
        Quote: loha
        To those who burned Khatyn, he now sells weapons so that they would not stand idle in the Donbass.

        I realized that I wrote ...? Oh languages ​​would you snatch youngsters of social networks ... negative
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 21 June 2020 14: 56
          +1
          Quote: Benito
          Quote: loha
          To those who burned Khatyn, he now sells weapons so that they would not stand idle in the Donbass.

          I realized that I wrote ...? Oh languages ​​would you snatch youngsters of social networks ... negative

          And what isn't selling? Yes, the same fuel and lubricants, so that the descendants of the executioners of Khatyn could hone their "grandfather's lessons" without any problems on the inhabitants of Donbass ...
        2. Gennady Fomkin
          Gennady Fomkin 21 June 2020 17: 41
          -1
          Yeah, and the Mozyr Oil Refinery for beautiful eyes ship the whole fuel with overfulfilment laughing
      2. Kronos
        Kronos 21 June 2020 14: 24
        -2
        So Russia and Ukraine trade quietly, then why blame Belarus?
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 21 June 2020 14: 32
          +2
          Russia, unlike Belarus, does not deliver weapons to Ukraine.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 22 June 2020 07: 51
            -1
            Quote: Sergej1972
            Russia, unlike Belarus,

            But! Russia, like Belarus, sells fuel to Ukraine! And where will this fuel be poured? Is there a guarantee that it will not be APU armored vehicles?
    2. major147
      major147 21 June 2020 12: 48
      +8
      Quote: Benito
      Is it possible that now Lukashenko will spread rot here too?

      And the "Belarusian pro-Western opposition" is eager to merge in anti-Russian ecstasy with the murderers of the Belarusian people.
      1. Benedict
        Benedict 21 June 2020 13: 32
        -1
        Quote: major147
        Quote: Benito
        Is it possible that now Lukashenko will spread rot here too?

        And the "Belarusian pro-Western opposition" is eager to merge in anti-Russian ecstasy with the murderers of the Belarusian people.

        Yes, it’s their dream to put into the economy an oligarchy with bags of dollar bills .. And away we go, only feathers fly from the economy of Belarus ..
        And then the Maidan and the requirements for Russia! All by pattern ...
        1. Terrible GMO
          Terrible GMO 21 June 2020 14: 37
          +7
          Quote: Benito
          . And away we go, only feathers fly from the economy of Belarus ..

          To fly feathers, an economy must exist. We live on loans, transit, potash and refining your oil, but now this tap has run dry.

          Most of the state. enterprises are unprofitable despite the infusion of tens of millions. Pride is white. mechanical engineering, MAZ, last year made a profit of 33 thousand rubles. After millions of investments over the years.

          How much was poured into the woodworking, cement, linen and other washings, but it remains unprofitable.
          1. Benedict
            Benedict 21 June 2020 16: 21
            -4
            Quote: TerribleGMO
            To fly feathers, an economy must exist. We live on loans, transit, potash and refining your oil, but now this tap has run dry.

            Well, arrange Maidan in Ukraine! There will be freedom and visa-free travel to the Baltics and Poland to gardens .. Beauty will begin! lol
            1. Terrible GMO
              Terrible GMO 23 June 2020 07: 15
              0
              Quote: Benito
              Well, arrange Maidan in Ukraine!

              Everything goes to this. Because someone will give the order to execute hundreds of Belarusians, but the authorities will not give up in ANY case. This someone communicates only with the security forces and does not even try to show at least an imitation of the legality of actions, both his own and the policemen in and without uniform.
              Someone threatens with mass shootings, threats to sovereignty, "hurricane" from all sides, and now they travel in parts with calls "to prevent the loss of our (his) stability."

              So yes, thanks to these truly occupying authorities for not wanting to listen to the will of the PEOPLE. Who wants to change power PEACEFULLY, BLOODLESS and, most importantly, by the LEGAL method prescribed in the constitution, which this government spits on.


              Quote: Benito
              There will be freedom and visa-free travel to the Baltic states and Poland

              Laugh, Belarusians are already touring all over the neighboring countries. More than in these countries and Western Europe only with you. Nothing will change.
        2. Ether
          Ether 21 June 2020 15: 55
          +4
          The Belarusians have such a fad, they say, Russian oligarchs, with faces twisted with greed, will come to Blue-eyed, they will buy everything up and bankrupt. On this account, the LAS has a friend Misha - an Ossetian of the Kazakh spill, Gutseriev M.S. In the Russian Federation, from time to time there are claims of an economic nature against him, Safarbekovich spends these difficult times in Minsk, not forgetting to present the LAG with either Maybach or a helicopter. Gutseriev has a large and varied business in Belarus, including refined oil, and Slavkali, and IT companies, and extra-class hotels, even a terminal at the Minsk airport. And Gutseriev also builds a church and a school on his own blood, "at the call of his heart." Why am I, maybe the devil is not so terrible as his little ones? Or it is enough to make expensive ladies who need it. What do gentlemen Belarusians think?
          1. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 21 June 2020 20: 02
            0
            Well, what kind of gentlemen are we ?, so there’s no more recession ... Perhaps every person has punctuation ... Without going into personalities, I can say one thing: I’m tired of the LAS and my friends.
            Gutsiriev, and who is Luke’s wallet ?, maybe ...
            After all, Yura Chizh was also (personally familiar with the years 79/80, went to tourist rallies together), but where is he now?
            It’s just that Sasha can’t understand, he’s all ON-DO-EL !!! 26 years is FIVE five-year plans !!! He is tired, we are tired, we need to rest from each other, but ...
            but Russia put him on the throne again ...
            What for??? ,, the giraffe is big, he knows better ''
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 21 June 2020 13: 59
      +6
      Quote: Benito
      Is it possible that now Lukashenko will spread rot here too?
      Belarusians stood to death and partisan ..

      That's for sure! True, not only Belarusians stood to the death and partisan in the territory of Belarus ... My uncle received the Order of Lenin and other partisan awards in its territory.
      But there was no honest and direct assessment of the Bandera coup in Ukraine from Lukashenko, as well as other politicians inclined to justify Nazism and its accomplices in the Baltic states, for example.
      1. Benedict
        Benedict 21 June 2020 16: 25
        -1
        Quote: Alekseev
        But there was no honest and direct assessment of the Bandera coup in Ukraine from Lukashenka, as well as other politicians prone to justification of Nazism and its accomplices in the Baltic states, for example

        If Old Man is silent, this does not mean that he agrees .. There his tongue is watched and caught constantly from the west! After all, he was declared the last dictator of Europe))))
      2. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 21 June 2020 16: 52
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        Quote: Benito
        Is it possible that now Lukashenko will spread rot here too?
        Belarusians stood to death and partisan ..

        That's for sure! True, not only Belarusians stood to the death and partisan in the territory of Belarus ... My uncle received the Order of Lenin and other partisan awards in its territory.
        But there was no honest and direct assessment of the Bandera coup in Ukraine from Lukashenko, as well as other politicians inclined to justify Nazism and its accomplices in the Baltic states, for example.

        Excuse me, but where was your uncle partisan? The question is not idle, because. The Order of Lenin is `` not Khukhry Mukhry '' and the simple `` from the plow to the partisan '' could only dream of awards, and, to be honest, our fathers fought for their land, children / mothers and the MOST main reward for the partisans was the absence a trace of a forged German boot on native soil.
        And if your uncle is alive, ask him about the last blockade of the partisans, about Palik, where the Germans drove the partisans, and also ask why when an adult man heard the word Palik, then he - HEROUS WAR - could cry ...
        Sincerely.
  • st2st
    st2st 21 June 2020 12: 37
    20
    Which Belarus? Which Ukraine? What is the destruction of every third resident of the Republic of Belarus? Montgomery and Eisenhower won World War II, chasing Rommel in the deserts of Africa. Any student knows about this.
    1. Rusik.S
      Rusik.S 21 June 2020 12: 46
      16
      Many will not understand your sarcasm.
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 21 June 2020 12: 52
        19
        To understand sarcasm, you need a mind.))))
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 21 June 2020 12: 55
      +7
      Quote: st2st
      Which Belarus? Which Ukraine? What is the destruction of every third resident of the Republic of Belarus? Montgomery and Eisenhower won World War II, chasing Rommel in the deserts of Africa. Any student knows about this.

      Today, not all students yet know this. But what will happen tomorrow is a big question.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 21 June 2020 13: 13
        +4
        Today, not all students yet know this. But what will happen tomorrow is a big question.
        ... After July 1, find out ..
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 21 June 2020 14: 09
          0
          Quote: parusnik
          ... After July 1, find out ..

          What do you think will change after July 1st? Stop making films like Burnt by the Sun? Or will the paragraphs be removed from the history textbooks that the interventionists "were tired of the war and the Anglo-Americans and the French command were forced to send soldiers home" (close to the text)?
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 21 June 2020 16: 28
            +1
            This is precisely what I have no doubt about. And this will be that historical truth as an amendment to the Constitution ...
      2. st2st
        st2st 21 June 2020 13: 51
        +2
        No matter how you relate to the USSR, but what you can’t take away from the Union is the literacy of the population, both geographical, historical, and political. Teaching in schools was always on top. And even loser truants knew the story.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 21 June 2020 14: 39
          +4
          You know, many commentators on the site, both my peers (I am 47 years old) and older people, show such deep ignorance in matters of history, political and economic geography, the foundations of law, the state structure of the USSR, the Russian Federation and foreign countries that you are wondering : how did they study in the Soviet high school? They simply did not master the courses of history, foundations of the Soviet state and law, social studies, economic geography, taught in Soviet schools in the 70-80s. And they love to write about the "victims of the exam"!
          1. st2st
            st2st 21 June 2020 15: 05
            +2
            Well, I don’t know, the namesake ... I graduated from vocational school, and the overwhelming majority of my acquaintances, friends, comrades were very advanced in terms of knowledge, although they, like me, had just a vocational school, or, in extreme cases, Institute with a techie
        2. flc9800
          flc9800 21 June 2020 14: 43
          0
          Only now literacy with one M is written, dear! And the comma after the word is so obviously superfluous!
          But overall, you are right.
    3. Ravil_Asnafovich
      Ravil_Asnafovich 21 June 2020 13: 17
      +1
      Kolya from Urengoy?
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 21 June 2020 12: 37
    +1
    According to Alexander Lukashenko, Belarus will never allow Nazism to raise its head on Belarusian soil, and will never betray the memory of the victors who saved the world from Nazi executioners.

    In Ukraine, they already allowed ... Something tells me that if Belarus does not become part of Russia, then after the departure of Lukashenko, the Nazis will march in this country.
    1. Alexga
      Alexga 21 June 2020 12: 46
      +3
      Well, before his departure, the local oppies still need to live.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 21 June 2020 19: 58
        0
        Well, before his departure, the local oppies still need to live.


        And the funniest thing is that one cannot but agree.
        Not everyone survives in Belarus ...
        disappearing somewhere ...


    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 21 June 2020 12: 58
      10
      Quote: Doccor18
      In Ukraine, they already allowed ... Something tells me that if Belarus does not become part of Russia, then after the departure of Lukashenko, the Nazis will march in this country.

      And if Belarus becomes part of Russia, then various Chubais, Sechins, Rotherbergs, etc. will manage it. For some reason, it seems to me that not all Belarusians want this.
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 21 June 2020 19: 02
        +2
        Well, what can you say ... Either Nuland with cookies and the Maidan, or "Russian" oligarchs with their "concern for the aspirations of the people" ... The choice is not great ... We don't really like it either. But ... together we can manage somehow, but separately ...
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 21 June 2020 19: 33
          -2
          Quote: MstislavHrabr
          Well, what can you say ... Either Nuland with cookies and the Maidan, or "Russian" oligarchs with their "concern for the aspirations of the people" ... The choice is not great ... We don't really like it either. But ... together we can manage somehow, but separately ...

          Perhaps you are right, Kamrad.
      2. Doccor18
        Doccor18 21 June 2020 22: 01
        0
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Quote: Doccor18
        In Ukraine, they already allowed ... Something tells me that if Belarus does not become part of Russia, then after the departure of Lukashenko, the Nazis will march in this country.

        And if Belarus becomes part of Russia, then various Chubais, Sechins, Rotherbergs, etc. will manage it. For some reason, it seems to me that not all Belarusians want this.

        Do not want. But Nnulanda will kill Belarus completely ..
    3. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 21 June 2020 13: 01
      0
      Quote: Doccor18
      In Ukraine, they already allowed ... Something tells me that if Belarus does not become part of Russia, then after the departure of Lukashenko, the Nazis will march in this country.

      The main thing is that we in Russia do not start marching any modern analogues of the "Union of the Russian people".
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 21 June 2020 16: 31
        +1
        They will march, do not hesitate ...
    4. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 21 June 2020 13: 06
      -1
      Quote: Doccor18
      In Ukraine, they already allowed ... Something tells me that if Belarus does not become part of Russia, then after the departure of Lukashenko, the Nazis will march in this country.

      If Belarus becomes part of Russia, then it will be governed, like us, by various Chubais, Potanins, Rotenbergs. I think not all Belarusians want this. The main thing is that we in Russia do not start marching any modern analogues of the "Union of the Russian people".
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 21 June 2020 19: 16
        -4
        I think not all Belarusians want this. The main thing is that we would not have


        Belarusians should not say: in Russia we
        Medvedev clearly told you: the way out is there.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 21 June 2020 19: 26
          -2
          Quote: Olezhek
          Belarusians should not say: in Russia we
          Medvedev clearly told you: the way out is there.

          On the basis of what did you decide that I am from Belarus? I am from the Krasnodar Territory. What your liberal Medvedev says is of little interest to me.
          1. Olezhek
            Olezhek 21 June 2020 19: 28
            -1
            On the basis of what did you decide that I am from Belarus? I am from the Krasnodar Territory


            karosh legend
            many of you - pro-Lukashenko Russians on the Internet.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 21 June 2020 19: 30
              -2
              Quote: Olezhek
              karosh legend
              many of you - pro-Lukashenko Russians on the Internet.

              Learn to write wisely. Holidays started?
              1. Olezhek
                Olezhek 21 June 2020 19: 36
                -1
                Learn to write wisely. Holidays started?


                This is your "vacation in full swing" in Belarus.
                It will be fun.
        2. Sklendarka
          Sklendarka 21 June 2020 20: 40
          0
          Olezhek, reading you something, I came to the conclusion that Belarusians should be silent and ... listen only to you?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 21 June 2020 12: 47
    13
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn. And not the Germans.


    It is the Germans.
  • Poetry
    Poetry 21 June 2020 12: 58
    +3
    The statistics are scary. Primitively simple.
    The German fierce flock spared no one.
    In the fire of War, the most monstrous in the world,
    Every third burned out by the brothers of Belarusians.

    That was the Holy War of the Soviet people,
    Just for the right to live and breathe oxygen.
    All then covered. Everybody got hit by an avalanche
    The fascist said that we are half people ...

    With our bones paved the road to Paradise
    Civilians, an old woman and children, burned in sheds! ..
    He hung someone, knocking a bench from under his feet,
    The enemy was hardworking. He killed as he could.

    Grinning cynically, he shot at us point-blank,
    The enemy did not like the fact that he met resistance here.
    Because we have such a heavy load.
    Remember the number Three. Every third Belarusian.

    The enemy knew in advance. He will not leave us alive.
    Everyone will die, from gas and a loop, from bullets and knife blades.
    Guys, everything could have been completely wrong ...
    Here they would not say "good afternoon", but "guten tag".
    2019 Kingisepp
    1. Poetry
      Poetry 21 June 2020 13: 01
      +1
      Mentally gifted robot fixed. I apologize.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 June 2020 13: 20
    +1
    And who helped the Nazis drive and burn the population in this settlement? He did not voice?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 June 2020 13: 22
      +6
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And who helped the Nazis drive and burn the population in this settlement? He did not voice?

      No, Alexander Grigorievich in this regard only politically correct ...
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 June 2020 13: 31
        +2
        And even the business has ... fuel, MAZ sells.
        1. Dr. Sorge
          Dr. Sorge 21 June 2020 13: 40
          +1
          And not only him, be objective. We look at statistics on trade between Russia and Ukraine.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 21 June 2020 13: 41
            +3
            It's hard to argue with that. But we at least voiced accomplices.
            1. Dr. Sorge
              Dr. Sorge 21 June 2020 21: 15
              0
              The old man Time will judge :) Sound something sounded, for a look (?), And the fuel goes ...
  • Radikal
    Radikal 21 June 2020 13: 28
    +1
    Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
    Quote: Malyuta
    Nazi officers were shot

    It has long been proven, I do not understand who periodically discusses this topic ...

    - Guarantor. hi
  • Asad
    Asad 21 June 2020 15: 16
    0
    To my shame I did not even know about these events!
  • Benedict
    Benedict 21 June 2020 15: 48
    +1
    Quote: Alekseev
    But there was no honest and direct assessment of the Bandera coup in Ukraine from Lukashenko, as well as other politicians inclined to justify Nazism and its accomplices in the Baltic states, for example.

    Afraid .. He can be understood hi
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 21 June 2020 19: 03
      0
      Afraid .. He can be understood


      I mean - the stigma in the gun?
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 June 2020 16: 43
    0
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    Thousands of Polish officers were killed in Katyn. And not the Germans.

    From the testimony of P. G. Kiselev:

    “In the fall of 1942, two policemen came to my house and offered to appear in the Gestapo at the Gnezdovo station. On the same day, I went to the Gestapo, which was placed in a two-story house near the railway station. In the room where I went, there was a German officer and translator. A German officer, through an interpreter, began asking me how long I had been living in this area, what I was doing and what my financial situation was.

    I told him that I have been living on a farm in the Kozih Mountains region since 1907 and working on my farm. I said about my financial situation that I have to experience difficulties, since I myself am in old age, and my sons are at war.

    After a short conversation on this subject, the officer said that, according to Gestapo information, in 1940, officers of the NKVD in the Katyn Forest on the Kozi Gor plot shot Polish officers and asked me what evidence I could give on this issue. I replied that I had never heard that the NKVD carried out executions in the Kozi Mountains, and it was hardly possible, I explained to the officer, since the Kozi Mountains were a completely open, crowded place, and if they had been shot there, everyone would know about it the population of nearby villages.

    The officer answered me that I still had to give such evidence, as this allegedly took place. For this testimony, I was promised a great reward.

    I again told the officer that I did not know anything about the executions and that this could not have happened before the war in our area. Despite this, the officer persistently insisted that I give false evidence. The officer convinced me, stating: "Germany is fighting the Bolshevism, and we must show the Russian people what kind of animals the Bolsheviks are."

    I resolutely refused to do this, stating: "Look for another person for this business." Then the officer said that the German command insists that I give such evidence, since my long-term residence in this area, next to the NKVD cottage, makes my testimony convincing.

    Question. Have you given the testimony required of you by the Gestapo?

    Answer. No, I did not give such evidence and categorically told the officer that I could not show a lie. The officer, offering to think, let me go home ... [11.1]

    Kiselev was called to the Gestapo again only in February 1943. By this time, many other residents of the surrounding villages gave evidence. He was met by the same translator and demanded to testify about the execution by the allegedly NKVD in 1940. Kiselev refused.

    “But the translator did not listen to me. I took a hand-written document from the table and read it. It was said that I, Kiselyov, living on a farm in the Kozih Gore region, I myself saw how in 1940 the NKVD officers shot Polish officers. After reading this document, the translator suggested that I sign it. I refused to do this. Then the translator began to force me to this abuse and threats. In the end, he said: “Either you sign immediately, or we will destroy you. Choose! “

    Frightened by the threats, I signed this document, deciding that this would end there. ” [11.2] laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 June 2020 16: 44
    0
    But, as one would expect, everything was just beginning. After Goebbels announced in the spring of 1943 that he would be shot in the Katyn Forest, the Gestapo people rushed to Kiselev’s house and took him to a forest in the Kozih Gor region to meet with a foreign delegation. Before the meeting, the German translator warned Kiselyov that he would have to tell in public about everything that he had signed earlier. Only a month has passed since staying in the German dungeons and Kiselev got confused in the testimony, and in the end he told the Polish delegates that he knew nothing about the execution of Polish officers.

    “The German officer was very angry, and the translator rudely dragged me from the“ delegation ”and drove me away.

    The next day, in the morning, a car drove up to my yard, in which there was a Gestapo officer. Having found me in the yard, he announced that I was arrested, put him in a car and took me to the Smolensk prison ... ”[11.3]

    After the new arrest, they decided to break Kiselev completely: they often called for interrogations, but they beat him more than questioned him. The Gestapo men offered to publicly declare to Kiselev that the Poles had shot the NKVD. As a result of the beatings, he almost lost his hearing and could not move his right hand.

    Unable to withstand the torture, Kiselev agreed to publicly confirm before the "delegations" that the Poles were shot by the Bolsheviks. He was released from prison and warned that he would be needed soon. Let them go to court with such "testimonies" laughing
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 21 June 2020 17: 36
      -1
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      But, as one would expect, everything was just beginning. After Goebbels announced in the spring of 1943 that he would be shot in the Katyn Forest, the Gestapo people rushed to Kiselev’s house and took him to a forest in the Kozih Gor region to meet with a foreign delegation. Before the meeting, the German translator warned Kiselyov that he would have to tell in public about everything that he had signed earlier. Only a month has passed since staying in the German dungeons and Kiselev got confused in the testimony, and in the end he told the Polish delegates that he knew nothing about the execution of Polish officers.

      “The German officer was very angry, and the translator rudely dragged me from the“ delegation ”and drove me away.

      The next day, in the morning, a car drove up to my yard, in which there was a Gestapo officer. Having found me in the yard, he announced that I was arrested, put him in a car and took me to the Smolensk prison ... ”[11.3]

      After the new arrest, they decided to break Kiselev completely: they often called for interrogations, but they beat him more than questioned him. The Gestapo men offered to publicly declare to Kiselev that the Poles had shot the NKVD. As a result of the beatings, he almost lost his hearing and could not move his right hand.

      Unable to withstand the torture, Kiselev agreed to publicly confirm before the "delegations" that the Poles were shot by the Bolsheviks. He was released from prison and warned that he would be needed soon. Let them go to court with such "testimonies" laughing

      Gennady Fomkin, I have a question for you (you have a question), how many people work under your nickname? Why am I interested ?, I answer, you are young and inexperienced; the previous message in 43 minutes, the next in 44 minutes ...., i.e. the number of signs on food lasts longer than the physical capabilities of a person ...
      As they say, do not tear out soles on the go ....
      1. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin 21 June 2020 18: 23
        -1
        Ну
        Quote: Skalendarka
        Quote: Gennady Fomkin
        But, as one would expect, everything was just beginning. After Goebbels announced in the spring of 1943 that he would be shot in the Katyn Forest, the Gestapo people rushed to Kiselev’s house and took him to a forest in the Kozih Gor region to meet with a foreign delegation. Before the meeting, the German translator warned Kiselyov that he would have to tell in public about everything that he had signed earlier. Only a month has passed since staying in the German dungeons and Kiselev got confused in the testimony, and in the end he told the Polish delegates that he knew nothing about the execution of Polish officers.

        “The German officer was very angry, and the translator rudely dragged me from the“ delegation ”and drove me away.

        The next day, in the morning, a car drove up to my yard, in which there was a Gestapo officer. Having found me in the yard, he announced that I was arrested, put him in a car and took me to the Smolensk prison ... ”[11.3]

        After the new arrest, they decided to break Kiselev completely: they often called for interrogations, but they beat him more than questioned him. The Gestapo men offered to publicly declare to Kiselev that the Poles had shot the NKVD. As a result of the beatings, he almost lost his hearing and could not move his right hand.

        Unable to withstand the torture, Kiselev agreed to publicly confirm before the "delegations" that the Poles were shot by the Bolsheviks. He was released from prison and warned that he would be needed soon. Let them go to court with such "testimonies" laughing

        Gennady Fomkin, I have a question for you (you have a question), how many people work under your nickname? Why am I interested ?, I answer, you are young and inexperienced; the previous message in 43 minutes, the next in 44 minutes ...., i.e. the number of signs on food lasts longer than the physical capabilities of a person ...
        As they say, do not tear out soles on the go ....
        Unique however laughing I gave you a copy of the official document. What really hurts my eyes? Alone I am Alone and in the photo I am so 54 years old laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 June 2020 17: 43
    0
    Quote: Benito
    Quote: major147
    Quote: Benito
    Is it possible that now Lukashenko will spread rot here too?

    And the "Belarusian pro-Western opposition" is eager to merge in anti-Russian ecstasy with the murderers of the Belarusian people.

    Yes, it’s their dream to put into the economy an oligarchy with bags of dollar bills .. And away we go, only feathers fly from the economy of Belarus ..
    And then the Maidan and the requirements for Russia! All by pattern ...

    Do you still have an "economy"? laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 June 2020 17: 46
    -2
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Doccor18
    In Ukraine, they already allowed ... Something tells me that if Belarus does not become part of Russia, then after the departure of Lukashenko, the Nazis will march in this country.

    If Belarus becomes part of Russia, then it will be governed, like us, by various Chubais, Potanins, Rotenbergs. I think not all Belarusians want this. The main thing is that we in Russia do not start marching any modern analogues of the "Union of the Russian people".

    What for they surrendered in Russia. Pay off debts to China? laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 June 2020 17: 53
    +2
    Pereobulsya on the go laughing https://youtu.be/hTHGqQleKUY Батька совсем запутался laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 June 2020 18: 19
    0
    Quote: Benito
    Quote: TerribleGMO
    To fly feathers, an economy must exist. We live on loans, transit, potash and refining your oil, but now this tap has run dry.

    Well, arrange Maidan in Ukraine! There will be freedom and visa-free travel to the Baltics and Poland to gardens .. Beauty will begin! lol

    They are just in full swing stuffing Fingals, cones and other things. And the zmagarye, grown by the late demanting Luka, is offended by identification with the Russians.
  • Old26
    Old26 21 June 2020 18: 25
    0
    Quote: hhhhhhh
    Surrender does not exempt from retaliation for crimes against Russia.

    Doesn't release. But it is not an "automatic" event either.

    Quote: hhhhhhh
    Why could the NKVD not be able to shoot the Poles fierce in Ukraine and Belarus, accidentally caught under them?

    He could have been shot only after receiving a court decision. Just shooting on the principle "they committed atrocities and we will shoot them for this" will be considered a military crime

    Quote: hhhhhhh
    Surrendered and untouchables?

    Before the trial, yes, untouchables. Any action against them, such as execution, torture, starvation and cold, all belong to the category of war crimes

    Quote: hhhhhhh
    In your opinion, the Finns shooting prisoners of war prisoners?

    Yes, if they were shot not by court order ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 June 2020 18: 27
    0
    Quote: pekard
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    What for they surrendered in Russia. Pay off debts to China?

    They don’t think about it.
    There is no special for this device.
    They have their installation of the sect to expand. At any cost.

    Sect? laughing With people like you and most of me out of the way.
  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 21 June 2020 19: 02
    -2
    "Twelve Khatyn": Lukashenko opened a memorial on the site of the village of Ola burnt by the Nazis


    Of course it’s good, but what about the natsik marches in the Baltic states?
    Nearby the Baltic states?
    Silence?
  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 21 June 2020 19: 12
    -2
    The good news
    Meanwhile, in Minsk
    "Hit on the head, smashed the nose." Stories of Minsk residents who needed medical care after the detentions
    Read more: https://news.tut.by/society/689645.html


    “We were just beaten, seized and thrown into a minibus by people in civilian clothes. What we did, no one explained ”

    People in civilian clothes are pushing people into minibuses. What happened on the evening of June 20 in Minsk

  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 21 June 2020 19: 22
    0
    Everything in Belarus is much more interesting there now and nobody cares what Lukashenko says there



  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 21 June 2020 19: 25
    -1
    And what concerns Belarusians now:

  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 21 June 2020 19: 34
    0


    Such things are there ... request
    1. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge 21 June 2020 21: 19
      0
      Stop whining and dumping provocations. Well, Natsik was detained, so what?
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 June 2020 21: 02
    +1
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    Burdenko was told to write that the Polish officers captured by the Red Army were killed by the Germans, and he wrote this. The truth about such "trifles" as the complete absence of German documentation of both the capture of these prisoners and their execution, the commission of 1944 somehow forgot to mention. This despite the fact that the Germans have always been known for their love of bureaucracy. By the way, Katyn was not the only place of mass executions of Polish officers. Of the 40 thousand Poles shot in Katyn, only 21 thousand people were killed. The rest were shot in prisons and other shooting ranges.

    Quote: ZeevZeev
    The NKVD bought German pistols because it was a good, compact police pistol. By the way, in Katyn they also used Browning, inherited from the gendarmes.

    Especially when the "experts" point to the suitcase of "Walters", which were allegedly specially purchased for these purposes and brought almost personally by Bogdan Kobulov. To specifically and only shoot in Katyn! The logic of the absurd ... Find, please, confirmation that in addition to standard weapons, the NKVD troops used foreign pistols! Moreover, a very strange caliber - 7,65 millimeters ... The Germans made such a unique - the so-called Weimar - caliber after the Treaty of Versailles, according to which they were forbidden to produce pistols with a caliber of more than 8 millimeters. A huge number of these pistols were made. And, of course, they were used during the war. This caliber (7,65 mm) of a cartridge from the German company "Gustav Genschow & Co" proves our innocence in the Katyn shootings.
  • Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 22 June 2020 09: 26
    +1
    Another troll. An article about Khatyn, but a flawed one about Katyn. No matter how much you broadcast this lie, the truth will prevail. This "memorial" to Polish murderers and sadists will be bulldozed. And in its place will be a real memorial to those who died at the hands of Polish geeks.
  • yfast
    yfast 22 June 2020 13: 20
    0
    Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
    right. The wall of mercy. A bullet in the back of the head is the height of humanity.

    Equally inhumane, isn't that understandable?
  • ship
    ship 22 June 2020 16: 45
    0
    Lukashenka also said: “... let this holy nation, which sometimes fought and fought NOT IN THEIR WAR ... We did it for the sake of OUR FUTURE. In order for our children, grandchildren, each new generation to understand the true meaning of freedom and INDEPENDENCE. "
    On June 24, in Moscow at the Victory Parade, Alexander Grigoryevich must certainly speak with his only sincere and truthful understanding of the past and a visionary vision of the future. I look forward to this historic event.
  • jekasimf
    jekasimf 22 June 2020 20: 02
    0
    Gentlemen. Tell me. Who in Russia is engaged in the search for fascist archives? (Not public search engines)