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Where are we in a hurry, and most importantly - why?

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Yes, I was also surprised by such pressure from coffee grinders, irons, fences and garages, which also became agitators for voting on the package of amendments. But everything that is happening around raises new questions that I really want to voice.


Moreover, in the crowd of people who want to question, I'm not the only one.

I support those readers who have questions, and brought some of their own. And I would very much like to ask them to those who fiercely argue that if we do not accept these amendments, then in the very near future we will simply be erased from the face of the earth by LGBT legions, liberals and even anyone else. Who believes that without a vote we will definitely lose history (which the Ministry of Culture rewrites best of all at the expense of the budget), we forget the language and all that.

In general, the hysteria itself and the shaft of complaints of those who are forced to vote (Ms. Pamfilova does not see this shaft point blank, declaring everything is fake) for the amendments are already suggesting that everything is not so simple.

No, to come and once again vote “for” - this is just the easiest way.

And here, if not easy, then questions arise.

So, question number one.

Why wholesale? Why in bulk? Why is it impossible to divide all the issues on the agenda of changes into blocks? And for each block to put “for” or “against”?

Complicated? Come on!

People have already considered that there are not so many blocks, and there are questions in them. Check:

1. Federated structure - 51 amendments.
2. President of the Russian Federation - 19 amendments.
3. The Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation - 33 amendments.
4. The Government of the Russian Federation - 26 amendments.
5. The judiciary and the prosecutor's office - 23 amendments.
6. Local government - 12 amendments.
7. Proposals for the preamble - 9 amendments.
8. The procedure for nationwide voting and the procedure for entry into force - 33 amendments.

Only eight "ticks". Okay, nine. For pets, volunteers and more, you can also put a plus sign in the block. Against buggers and other pests such as foreign citizens rushing into power.

But why so disrespectful neglect? Who said that a Russian citizen is not able to appreciate the importance of certain amendments?

Yes, some representatives of the authorities have already explained this with a large number of blocks. Funny: does it mean that eight presidential candidates can be overpowered, but eight blocks of amendments cannot be?

Some, you know, double standards ... The argument is very weak, no one bothers to vote for blocks.

Or, as an option, is it a fear that they will vote against zeroing? Then I agree. There is cause for concern. Although it has already been announced that more than 60% of the population will come to vote, of which 70% support the change.

It is hard to say where such confidence comes from, but what I’ve announced, Mr. President, I repeat, in fact.

Moving on.

The second question.

To ask him, I just quote Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.


2003 "The process of amending the Constitution itself is a destabilizing factor."

2004. “We must be careful about the Constitution of our country, not allow it to be changed to the taste of those people who are currently in power. She must be treated with care. ”

“... as soon as the mechanism for amending the basic law of the country is launched, it will be difficult to stop. Moreover, amendments to the Constitution may lead to an unstable situation. ”

2005 "If every new head of state comes to change the Constitution for himself, then nothing will soon remain of this state." (Speech on the Straight Line.)

“Stability in the country, in society, cannot be ensured in any other way, except by the stability of the legislation and the country's main law - the Constitution. Therefore, under no circumstances do I intend to change the Constitution. ” (Interview with Fox News.)

2007 "Changing the Constitution for a specific person, even if I trust him, I consider it incorrect."


Here is the last - very topical. I am sure that V.V. Putin trusts that person under whom it is now planned to amend the Constitution.

And here I have this very question: who to believe? To the one who stated this in past years, or to the one who today says that without changing the Constitution, the country will simply fall apart?

And nothing that is the same person. It is clear that a person’s opinion can change over time, but not 180 degrees ...

And the last, third question.

Where are we in such a hurry?

Indeed, it’s not clear what the regime is continuing to prolong, shops operate through a stump deck, cinemas and theaters are closed, stadiums and parks do not work, coffee houses, gentlemen, who took out work, are closed! They refuse parades in cities, and be kind enough to vote!

Very strange such a rush, to be honest. It would seem, well, we will defeat the coronavirus, then why not vote at least for the support of the government and the president - the winners? Very logical, right?

No, we are literally dragged by both hands. And still kick under the fifth point.

Explain to us then that the legions of pederasts are already on the border? Ready for all of us ...? And along the way to destroy the country? Or the beloved foreign enemies of Kiselev, Solovyov and others who want to enslave us and take away the wealth of the bowels of the earth, are ready for the offensive?

Well, where is such a rush from?

I'd love to know the answer to this question from the defenders ...

In the meantime, here is such an interesting thought.

The hurry with the urgent adoption of amendments, which for the most part seem to be already "working" in the laws, should provide two things.

First one. Clearly, this is “zeroing”. This is the only thing that is not in the laws and for the sake of which all this is conceived. Two more terms for Putin. The argument that “there is no one else”, let’s leave too, in the country 146 million, and there you can not find another honest and intelligent person?

This, of course, is impossible, especially if some forces in power do not need it. And since the authorities do not need this, you can sleep peacefully, they will not find it.

Well, I generally perceive it as an insult to the Russian people. And so it is. By the way, you can see the list of people who want to try to participate in the presidential election in 2018. And there among the rejected were very interesting personalities. But alas, for various reasons, they were not given the opportunity to go to the polls. And they left those who are definitely not a competitor from the word "completely."

And the second thought is more interesting.

The Kremlin has already called the vote "a vote of confidence in Putin." That's why they are trying to provide him with fake SIM cards, and stolen data of pensioners and coercion of state employees.

But what will follow the vote?

It seems to me that on the basis of such a vote something is being prepared, before which even a pension robbery will fade. I just don’t see another option of such a fierce rush.

Very quickly, despite the pandemic that caused us to be pushed into houses, they are now trying to drive us out of them with the sole purpose of voting. And the virus no longer interferes, well, the virus that scared us two months ago is not at all terrible. A rag on your face - and you're in the house. Go vote.

It seems to me that our government is preparing some kind of just a masterpiece gift to us. Something before which pension reform will simply fade. But for this, the whole world really needs to show that we all, more precisely, 70%, support what is happening.

Presidential elections only after 4 years. The elections of the Duma are closer, but their amendments hardly affect them. So why is it so hasty and urgent to accept everything?

Perhaps adoption of amendments will stop inflation? No, there is not a word about it. Perhaps the amendments will stop rising fuel prices? Yes, a liter of diesel fuel at 50 rubles and a liter of gas at 26 on 21.06.2020/2/XNUMX, that is, +XNUMX rubles compared to three weeks earlier?

Well, this, in general, is understandable, God knows what I wanted ... Like, so that our prices change in accordance with world prices, and not just up. Okay, and this amendment will not change.

So what will they change? Urgent so?

Nothing. Cats lived as cute, and will live. Volunteers as volunteers, saving huge amounts of money to the state, will be so. The Ministry of Culture as filmed libel about the war, and will remove. The Ministry of Education both disfigured school education and will continue to do so.

That is, absolutely nothing in the life of the country will not change. All these programs were not set yesterday and work successfully. And nothing will change from this vote.

So tell me, where does this urgency come from?

And so news day.

Where are we in a hurry, and most importantly - why?

I will remember this day, and after a while we will look at the results. In general, if you look at the dynamics of past years, then it is quite possible to wait for diesel at 75 or 100 rubles per liter, gas at 50 (and why not?), Gasoline at 100. Well, then everything else will go up in price.

Why?

Yes, because that's the only way it has been all the past 20 years. And there will be as many years as they will vote. When Putin went to the "last" term, many (including myself) seriously believed that now, on the last term, when Putin is no longer dependent on anyone, the rise of Russia will begin ...

Yeah, it started. In principle, the rise in price of everything connected with Plato was the third call. And then there was the retirement curtain. And given that all the "innovations" "already work in the laws", it remains to wait for something like that, epoch-making.

Well, wait.
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  1. Woodman
    Woodman 22 June 2020 10: 10
    11
    For pets, volunteers and more, you can also put a plus sign in the block
    Is it now that volunteers have been equated with pets? No, I do not agree. If we equate anyone with animals, then these:
    buggers and other pests
    . Although I think that here the animals will mind ...
    1. blackice
      blackice 22 June 2020 10: 18
      40
      Do not touch pets.
      They have more people than those who are pushing these amendments, among which, by the way, LGBT people are more than among the people.
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 22 June 2020 11: 16
          41
          The "nullified" one has been telling you for 20 years that counting money in other people's pockets, especially his and his "friends", is not good. Take and write a refutation of the article, than it is ridiculous to shake the air.
        2. kotvov
          kotvov 22 June 2020 11: 36
          -22 qualifying.
          the author worked for the money. ,,
          And here you are, no. No arguments, no facts, solid lines from the training manual.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 22 June 2020 12: 30
            11
            The author worked for the money.

            The author writes from the heart. And then he searches for people like Diogenes. And finds less and less. request

            1. codetalker
              codetalker 22 June 2020 12: 59
              -35 qualifying.
              The author can write from the heart. But the author is definitely writing from the heart, not from the head.
              1. The comment was deleted.
              2. RESEARCHER
                RESEARCHER 22 June 2020 15: 25
                -27 qualifying.
                The more I read Roman Skomorokhov's publications and the more I try to analyze them both with my mind and heart, the more I disagree with him. One gets the impression that some kind of diabolical force formed in it an inexplicable, completely not flexible algorithm for assessing reality and making decisions. But, as they say, I will not argue with anyone, but just go and vote for the amendments. In this life, we make a choice not between good and evil, but are forced to choose the lesser of several evils. Other proposals, we still do not receive.
                1. Revival
                  Revival 22 June 2020 16: 26
                  0
                  The whole question is that there is nothing to argue with (arguments)
                  1. RESEARCHER
                    RESEARCHER 22 June 2020 16: 34
                    -10 qualifying.
                    What are arguments and when can they appear. Let’s say we met. Maybe they even persuaded a bottle of vodka. We talked about this and that, about life. Imbued with a common understanding of the problem. And only after that it is possible to put forward arguments, and provide facts. And to react to any remark to someone’s address does not make much sense.
                    1. ac5pr7u
                      ac5pr7u 27 June 2020 07: 39
                      +1
                      I don’t understand you at all, but with what you write, the author at least has arguments. You have a boltology.
                      1. Stasweb
                        Stasweb 28 June 2020 02: 18
                        0
                        Quote: ac5pr7u
                        I don’t understand you at all, but with what you write, the author at least has arguments. You have a boltology.

                        The author is pi ** abol. He poured a lot of water, ala professor. Where it was worth deciphering, he walked aside not in the style of the manual of Platoshkin and others like him.
                  2. Hagen
                    Hagen 23 June 2020 06: 43
                    -4
                    Quote: Revival
                    The whole question is that there is nothing to argue with (arguments)

                    That's right, the arguments are where. I was especially interested in the "wave of complaints of coercion to vote" mentioned by the author ". Please tell me how is this coercion, control of the coerced? After all, it is possible to trace the arrival of the forced to the polling station, and even more so to control the result, only on the basis of access to the voting booth. What's here? Is it legal to try to convince us that nothing is being done in the country in the interests of the people? There is a complete sense of the provocativeness of the written ...
                2. AUL
                  AUL 22 June 2020 18: 32
                  21
                  Quote: RESEARCHER
                  The more I read Roman Skomorokhov's publications and the more I try to analyze them both with my mind and heart, the more I disagree with him.

                  Well, if you disagree - please share your thoughts. Only specifically and reasonably. Take the thesis from the article - and refute it. Specifically and reasonably. With facts and without slogans. It’s a big article, there are several premises in it, so object to what you don’t agree with. I think it will be interesting to everyone. And just to glue the labels and take it on the throat, as a certain contingent likes it here - it won’t. This is boring. hi
                  1. RESEARCHER
                    RESEARCHER 22 June 2020 18: 55
                    -16 qualifying.
                    I wrote that I’m not going to convince anyone, because I simply do not have time for this. I have a job without days off and holidays. 2 more weeks left to suffer. But by then they will already vote, so this topic is unlikely to be as relevant as it is now. I'm just coming to vote for the amendments.
                    1. Fan-fan
                      Fan-fan 22 June 2020 20: 41
                      +4
                      Most likely you don’t have any clear arguments for convincing you, therefore you don’t want to.
                      1. RESEARCHER
                        RESEARCHER 22 June 2020 21: 18
                        -12 qualifying.
                        On weakly try to take. Well, you are interesting people. You give an answer for another, the one that you yourself want to hear, and then polemize with that answer. I wrote in Russian, and twice, that in the coming days I do not have free time.
                      2. RESEARCHER
                        RESEARCHER 22 June 2020 21: 46
                        -9
                        Here on military review as in a democratic regime. Continuous dichotomy. There are only two choices: good or evil, to change the constitution or not to change, to zero the terms or not. But even in Russian tales in front of Ivan Tsarevich on the stone, more options are offered.
                        From these positions it is necessary to approach the amendments. After the betrayal of the top of the CPSU and especially A.N. Yakovlev, I will never believe the one who lived, worked and studied abroad. Who likes their lifestyle, culture, habits and customs. Therefore, I will never look for healthy oils in the programs of Platoshkin, Grudinin, Navalny. Yes, you never know who else they will offer us. All new people have long been under the hood at the State Department. And just waiting in the wings.
                        As one negative movie hero used to say: - now you can’t trust anyone ... I can (but I’m already talking to myself).
                      3. RESEARCHER
                        RESEARCHER 22 June 2020 21: 56
                        -8
                        And so to speak, the logic of Mr. or Comrade Roman Skomorokhov. I quote: Indeed, it’s not clear what the regime is continuing to prolong, shops operate through a stump deck, cinemas and theaters are closed, stadiums and parks do not work, coffee houses, gentlemen, who took out work, are closed! They refuse parades in cities, and be kind enough to vote!
                        Well, where is the logic. The street is full of people. Walk, sunbathe, bathe, go shopping. And you see a vote almost a crime against the people. The logic is to delay the vote at all costs. And there you look and someone stirs up a mess and here it is no longer up to the vote.
                      4. RESEARCHER
                        RESEARCHER 22 June 2020 23: 27
                        -8
                        I see that there is some kind of joint voting on the spacing of the minuses. Well, after someone hinted to me in my comment line that I was forbidden to leave comments on this site, now I have no doubt that we are subject to strict censorship. And this can be understood as the invisible hand of the State Department. That is why I will definitely vote for the amendments.
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 23 June 2020 02: 43
                        -3
                        Quote: RESEARCHER
                        Well, after someone hinted to me in my comment line that I was forbidden to post comments on this site, now I have no doubt that we are subject to strict censorship. And this can be understood as the invisible hand of the State Department.

                        fool
                        Quote: RESEARCHER
                        it is forbidden to leave comments on this site

                        Nefig edit comment after a while.
                      6. RESEARCHER
                        RESEARCHER 23 June 2020 10: 25
                        0
                        Thank you for enlightening. I'll know.
                      7. Revival
                        Revival 23 June 2020 11: 56
                        -2
                        No, no, this was the State Department’s hand laughing
                        I also notice her sometimes in a similar situation
                      8. BecmepH
                        BecmepH 23 June 2020 19: 00
                        +2
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Nefig edit comment after a while.

                        Why can’t you edit your comment? Enlighten please
                      9. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 23 June 2020 19: 52
                        0
                        Quote: BecmepH
                        Why can’t you edit your comment? Enlighten please

                        Can. but within 5 minutes, as I understand it ... Or in 3 minutes ...
                      10. doubovitski
                        doubovitski 23 June 2020 23: 45
                        +4
                        Quote: BecmepH
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Nefig edit comment after a while.

                        Why can’t you edit your comment? Enlighten please

                        This is done for educational purposes.
                        There is time, it is short. Correct, keep up.
                        But, if you arbitrarily do this at any time, you get such a situation. You wrote some heresy. They answered you, arguing with you. You, then, correct your writings, and the rebuther who wrote to you will remain fools.
                  2. Igor K
                    Igor K 23 June 2020 12: 05
                    -2
                    You are minus the people who disagree with you, I am one of them, and you seem to work out the salary on this site.
                3. Roman123567
                  Roman123567 23 June 2020 09: 11
                  -2
                  This is just Roman and asks the question - where is the logic in this "unclear what mode", if everything has been working everywhere for a long time .. Maybe someone just has a factory for the production of masks ??
                  Well, cancel the Parade on May 9, and a day later send everyone to work .. also the top of logic was ..))
                4. Igor K
                  Igor K 23 June 2020 12: 03
                  +2
                  You are not telling the whole truth, and from that it is not true. The regime of self-isolation with fines and police atrocities as it was, but for the election please, in the current viral situation, this is a crime. I am writing to you from a hospital bed (Cove 19), so it’s not the flu that it is presented to, people are seriously ill, hospitals are clogged up (Far East), there are deaths and not a few, in this situation street campaigning for voting and voting itself is a crime before by people.
                5. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 23 June 2020 19: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Igor K
                  crime against people.

                  Are we people, or what? According to the judgments of the "elite" we are, teenage nits, etc .... Why "elite"? Yes, because our state gave them permissiveness and people's artists. They have an indulgence to disobey laws. And everything is allowed for them ("elites"). Everything is forgiven to them ...
                6. kot28.ru
                  kot28.ru 24 June 2020 06: 14
                  0
                  In which city the hospitals are clogged? In Blagoveshchensk (Amur Region) everything is fine, at least not the way you "draw" from the trench.
                7. Vasily Smirnov_2
                  Vasily Smirnov_2 25 June 2020 22: 58
                  +1
                  In Belgorod, too, is normal.
          2. Revival
            Revival 23 June 2020 11: 53
            -2
            Many of us lived and worked abroad, not only everything, but even ..
          3. kotvov
            kotvov 24 June 2020 11: 44
            -3
            I will never believe the one who lived, worked and studied abroad. ,,
            But do not remember where Putin worked?
        3. Igor K
          Igor K 23 June 2020 11: 56
          -1
          There is time to shake the air, there is no argument, well, well.
        4. ac5pr7u
          ac5pr7u 27 June 2020 07: 44
          0
          No time to shake the air. As in Jumble, one aunt said I have no words, in response the bully said it was necessary to prepare.
    2. Roman123567
      Roman123567 23 June 2020 09: 08
      +9
      I bet you don’t have enough life to refute at least this ..))

      Changing the Constitution for a specific person, even if I definitely trust himI consider incorrect


      For, as I already wrote-Putin is simply a nonsense .. This is an axiom !!
      And how much time you don’t spend on it - it’s still impossible to prove the opposite ..
      1. alecsis69
        alecsis69 23 June 2020 22: 28
        -7
        If everyone did for Russia at least a quarter of what did this, as you put it, "brehlo", we would already live under communism.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 27 June 2020 19: 24
        +1
        In primitive communism. It was then that the division into future classes began. It’s imperceptible so, as it is with us now, though now it is thousands of times faster to determine elita and suckers.
  • To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 22 June 2020 20: 27
    +1
    "Yes, I was also surprised by such pressure from coffee grinders, irons, fences and garages, which also became agitators for voting on the amendment package."
    Kohl, the author allowed the dissent to call it that. So, in response, I have the right to say - his last two articles are full albats ...
    1. RESEARCHER
      RESEARCHER 22 June 2020 22: 25
      -7
      This also greatly offended me, but I said nothing. But in my childhood in my village for this you can specifically get the scoreboard.
    2. Revival
      Revival 23 June 2020 11: 58
      -2
      Have you identified yourself with promotional items !?
      Why is that?
      Or are you agitators and therefore subconsciously regarded this?
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 23 June 2020 09: 04
    0
    formed in it an inexplicable, completely non-flexible algorithm for assessing reality and making decisions
    Strange conclusions, to be honest ..
    Man only calls black black .. and this is the truest estimate of reality !!

    the choice is not between good and evil, but forced to choose from several evils less
    just go and vote for amendments.
    And here, there is absolutely no algorithm for assessing reality and making decisions ..
  • evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
    evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 24 June 2020 06: 33
    0
    Here is a discovery! Dear Researcher, made a “landmark discovery”. It turns out that Good does not exist and, accordingly, He does not need to serve!
    Fortunately, this is not so! Stupidity this time the Researcher said. God Almighty - Absolute Good - is in place. Was, is and will be! As the Russians faithfully served him, they will serve him. Do you want to be with Nevsky, Donskoy, Suvorov, Stalin? Be with Svyatopolk the Cursed, Mazepa, Vlasov, Gorbachev. Do you want to be with the Red Army, be with Heavi ... What problems? Just don’t, cast a shadow on the wattle fence ,,, don’t, reinvent the wheel ,,.
    Is it hard to fight geeks? What do you want? After all, even tatami is not easy to go. Didn't know about this?
    At least an ordinary man in the street, at least a self-confident temporary worker ... You will choose a crooked, but wide road of service to Evil - to Satan and you will leave. Cursed and contemporaries and descendants.
    Dare to be disgusted? Forward! Only then do not yell, like a madman, when the hairs on his head stand on end. At least in this earthly life, at least, at the transition, ... At least where I deserve to go
  • alecsis69
    alecsis69 23 June 2020 22: 23
    -1
    Unfortunately, a respected author, with a definitely worthy past, writes not as a rational person wise in life experience, but as a bazaar hysterical whooper.
    Not a single reasonable argument, only emotions on the verge of hysteria.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 27 June 2020 19: 21
    -1
    I agree, it’s not enough, and then they let a tear go, as you can do with the people.
  • the most important
    the most important 23 June 2020 23: 20
    -1
    Quote: kotvov
    No arguments, no facts, solid lines from the training manual.

    At least once to see this training manual about which so close to the feeders yell. And it would be very interesting to vote on the site. Hope this is organized.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 24 June 2020 11: 51
      0
      Dear, if you use Y-D, then you will easily find the Kremlin methodology algorithm there. Some do not even take a steam bath, the same koment is thrown into dozens of articles.
  • demo
    demo 22 June 2020 11: 42
    43
    After reading what Roman gives out from time to time, cats begin to interbreed in the shower.
    I understand - this is his style.
    But the fact that he asks the right questions and gives his own answer to them does not force us to agree with him, and even more so, stick a label to him.
    Judging by your data, you are already 6 years on the site.
    And so they didn’t understand anything in people?

    One thing is completely clear to a sensible person: the husk of amendments, which could be simple laws in the Russian Federation, suddenly required changes and additions to the Basic Law.
    And somewhere in this heap they hid a tiny correction, which was compensated to us by the comrade-in-arms of Belka and Strelka.
    Which did it at the behest of her huge heart, under the pressure of the "requests of the working people."
    You would have granny posted these letters with the return addresses of the scans, and we would have checked who, at the behest of the soul, and who compiled these letters by coercion. Then at least a fraction of trust would be both for you and for the sake of whom you care.
    And now, collecting this puzzle, which is called "Zeroed", you understand one thing.
    The next step may be the anointing of the kingdom.
    Maybe we - Russia is preparing for this, our Vladimir?
    Joke.
    1. alecsis69
      alecsis69 23 June 2020 22: 48
      0
      The amendment you are talking about is really tiny and has a completely tactical character, because it does only one single thing, namely, suppresses conversations about the "transit of power", and it may also break off raspberries for those who thought - well, Putin will leave at 24 and we will quickly return everything back, as under Yeltsin. We will return Crimea, we will return to Syria, we will return oil, we will return gas, we will return the American advisers back to the Kremlin, and they will give us picenyushek for this. And then just a bummer, you can not wait.
      By the way, even Roman is wondering - why is the rush, before the election another 4 years, so it’s not about the elections, and this amendment is really not a key one. What then?
      Perhaps Mikhail Khazin is right, and "a new Yalta and a new Bretnwood" are brewing? And this, based on the international situation, should be 21 - 22 years old. At this point, you need to come as a sovereign state, free from "liberal" economic policy. Then time is really short.
      1. demo
        demo 24 June 2020 00: 41
        +1
        Dear Alexey.
        How do you yourself relate to what you wrote?
        With optimism or pessimism?
        This is a joke.
        Well, it’s also possible to break off raspberries to those who thought - well, Putin will leave at 24 and we will quickly return everything back, as under Yeltsin.
        Those who think have transferred power to the current person on very specific conditions.
        It is not clear for certain which, but in general terms one thing is clear - a return to the pre-Yeltsin conditions of the social structure of the state should not occur under any circumstances.
        The seizure of natural resources should last for 50 years (brought forty on the tail).
        Do what you want to ensure this period.

        He did what he could and wanted.
        But unlike our man, who "does not abandon his own" and keeps his word, to power from those to whom they gave promises came, unexpectedly, a different group of people.
        Who needs to "plunder the loot".
        And then our man was at a crossroads.
        How to make sure that this promise is not broken, and not to fulfill it.
        The best option is to split the enemy’s camp, and then, under cover of disagreements, boldly send everyone to hell.
        And such an attempt by our man was made in 2007 in Munich.
        A man came and tried to explain to the audience that one polar world is an outdated and meaningless world order.
        Let us consider the world a multipolar one.
        In other words.
        Russia invited the hegemonic partners to start spitting on the hegemon.
        Russia needed this in order to throw off its yoke.
        But it was not there.
        The little people in the audience were either too stupid or too smart.
        Do not fall for seditious speech of man.
        For they understood the measure of influence of the hegemon on them.
        Examples of Noriega and the like were before their eyes.
        And besides disobedience, our man did not make any other proposals.
        Riot for the sake of rebellion.
        The consequences are obvious.
        And then the hegemonic machine began an inexorable movement.
        The goal is to punish the instigator of the riot.
        Next - this is all known.
        Georgia. Ukraine.

        Our man is flesh from the flesh of Yeltsin and his team.
        Replacing the decrepit drunkards with an energetic and grasping small - than not castling.
        You paid attention to the fact that such odious personalities as Chubais, Voloshin, Gref and the like did not disappear. And they are in the most direct contact with a person.
        In all economic forums, we can contemplate their faces.

        Perhaps Mikhail Khazin is right, and "new Yalta and new Brentwood" is coming? And this, based on the international situation, should be 21 - 22 years old. At this point, you need to come as a sovereign state, free from "liberal" economic policy. Then time is really short.

        It seems to me that Khazin either deliberately misleads us, or misunderstands what really can happen.
        First of all, Brentwood took place because the US felt within itself the strength to become a monopoly of money.
        And this is not just feelings, but also the presence of gigantic financial opportunities.
        And this was welcomed by most financially and industrialized countries.
        That is, it was not a backstage decision of a narrow group of people, but an international agreement.
        And the USSR did not take part in it for a number of reasons.
        But there was no reason for weakness and dependence on external management.
        And now they are.
        That is, Russia at this "celebration of life" will be "outside the door in the dressing room."
        Those who are robbed are not called to the table.
        So Hazin’s forecasts are true only in some part.
        But no more than that.
        1. alecsis69
          alecsis69 24 June 2020 21: 49
          +1
          You cannot see the forest behind the trees. First, with regard to the "seizure of natural resources." Maybe remember that before Putin came to power, there were so-called "production sharing agreements" under which our minerals were extracted without any income for the state at all. Now the matter is limited to a tribute in the form of a "budget rule", that is, up to $ 42 per barrel to the budget, and all that is higher is a tribute. Shameful, but with that that was not comparable. And for this tribute, the World Bank is holding its teeth until it fights back.
          Secondly, you yourself write about the hegemon who pressed the whole world, and then kick Putin for the fact that he didn’t send him so far and didn’t do everything as he wants, where is the logic?
          Now, as for Khazin. He just understands that the hegemon is now in a deep systemic crisis, his method of work does not give the usual effect. The forces behind Trump, C and Russia now have the same enemy, trans-national banks that have taken over the world, including the United States, only the United States is the base for them at the moment, but this is not important for them, so the United States as the state can also be considered not sovereign. So they are robbing everyone, and right now there is a chance to get rid of these parasites.
          1. demo
            demo 24 June 2020 22: 47
            0
            I do not know in which forests you are, and in which forests I are.
            In my forest, I see trees, and behind the trees I distinguish the forest.
            This is by the way.

            What happened before the person came, I remember well.
            Now look carefully.
            The established tax system in the Russian Federation is a stone on the feet of the economy. And therefore the people.
            Even more precisely - the yoke.
            We turn to what is close to me, and I understand what.
            Oil production. And taxation.
            Before extracting at least one ton of oil, the future potential owner submits an application.
            The state, at the expense of the applicant, sends geologists. Which conduct reconnaissance.
            And prepare a map of proven reserves.
            Suppose we decided on a quantity of 100 million tons.
            As of March 2019, the price coefficient was 12,72, that is, for each ton of oil produced, the government had to pay 11 rubles. excluding adjustments.
            I'm just afraid to multiply these numbers.
            Next.
            The alleged owner who wants to acquire the right to mine must add this terrible figure to the treasury.
            Oil, as you know, is no longer explored within the European part of Russia.
            She, not open, is not there.
            So this is Siberia, the Arctic.
            And from the nearest station or settlement to the oil-bearing section, 500 kilometers through the swamps, where the bottom is not visible. Where the tower leaves in one night and its peaks above the surface in the morning are not observed.
            So you need to strew and roll the road.
            Which will also constantly sink.
            This is money. Big money. Like a breakout rash.
            Then the equipment. Then the staff.
            Money again.
            And you can’t pack up the extracted oil in cans, even very large ones.
            It is necessary either to pull a piece of iron in order to carry tanks, or to join Transneft. If the second is expensive, then the first is super expensive.
            Okay.
            All is decided.
            Oil went to the factory.
            And as soon as the first ton is processed, excise taxes, VAT, etc. went again.
            Even the penny, the oilman did not make a profit, and the state uncovered him in full.
            Why do you need this opus?
            And then, that the country's economy feeds on this blood, which is constantly becoming more expensive, which does not allow industry to develop, earn income and invest in infrastructure, in innovation, in modernization, etc.
            Well, an oilman cannot sell oil at a negative price (as it was recently). He’d better not sell anything at all or shoot himself. Money spent.
            Even the fact that the world price has fallen has not removed the obligation for oil refiners to pay a fixed rate of excise duty.
            Well, who imposed such crap on us on our heads?
            And how did a person’s rise to power make a difference?
            The driver has changed. Which the head, the idea that instead of bills should begin to throw coal into the furnace, does not come.
            Those. it’s not the budget rule, but that oil production and refining, and the sale of oil should be in the hands of the state, which itself determines where to lose it, but that the country should not be torn off as sticky.
            Crap, comrade, what's the catch?
            Secondly, you yourself write about the hegemon who pressed the whole world, and then kick Putin for the fact that he didn’t send him so far and didn’t do everything as he wants, where is the logic?
            I criticize the man for taking a rash step that completely disavows his plans (if there were any, which I doubt).
            Once I sent a lengthy letter to Khazin, in which he outlined in a usual, accessible form how a person’s act is seen from the Russian bottom. We are not flying at the top?

            The essence of the letter was this.
            A boy was lost in the jungle. He was sheltered by a wolf pack. They gave the boy a name - Mowgli.
            But the boy was supposed to be the prey of Sherkhan.
            Then somehow all at once rested: some horn, some claws, some fangs. The tiger did not eat the boy.
            And the boy grew up, grew stronger, husbands. He got a dagger. Learned how to handle fire.
            And from easy prey, Mowgli turns into uncomfortable.
            And the last battle is ripening.
            The epic nature of this battle, which Kipling does not write about, is that the death of Mowgli does not introduce dissonance into the life of the jungle.
            The animals would have burnt, and that’s it.
            But here the death of Sherkhan leads to the destruction of the entire system of relationships of individuals in the jungle.
            Sherkhan is the top of the food chain. He is the main consumer and arbiter of the fate of the forest.
            Destroying Sherkhan Mowgli is obliged to take his place - the place of the head of the food chain.
            A forest cannot exist without a steward.
            But Mowgli is a human baby.
            Why is he doing this?
            He is a loner who does not want to control anyone and does not want to control anyone.

            This is a one-on-one narrative on the situation in Munich in 2007.
            Even for me, who do not have outstanding analytical data, who do not have powerful government agencies and services in their service, who are able to collect the necessary information to make the right, not rash decision, it’s clear that the act characterizes the person, his environment, his referents and assistants like not so smart people.
            If you are going to organize a riot on the ship, then either you are obliged to lead people behind you, exactly until the moment your personal goals are achieved, or be ready to hang on a yarn.
            And if you simply pushed the team to revolt, without offering anything, without leading anywhere, without defining more fabulous and sweeter goals, then you will not be perceived as a warrior and leader.
            You are a provocateur.
            With all that it implies.

            So from our small forest everything is seen like this.
            Good night to you.
            Thank you for attention.
            1. brat07
              brat07 24 June 2020 23: 45
              +1
              Even for me, who do not have outstanding analytical data, who do not have powerful government agencies and services in their service, who are able to collect the necessary information to make the right, not rash decision

              So from our small forest everything is seen like this.

              I read your lengthy commentary. I apologize to interfere with your polemics, but it seems to me that you still, "do not see the forest for the trees" IMHO.
              1. alecsis69
                alecsis69 25 June 2020 00: 43
                +2
                I am not an expert in oil production, but as far as I know, the controlling stake in Rosneft belongs to Rosneftegaz, which in turn is 100% owned by the state.
                Now, with regard to Munich. Perhaps you are aware when Khrushchev had an oral, verbal agreement with Kenedy that after the USSR removes the missiles from Cuba, the United States will remove the missiles from Turkey. Kenedy kept his word.
                Gorbachev, not to be forgotten by night, also secured verbal promises not to expand NATO eastward, having assumed certain obligations. But either the situation was not the same, or the people were neither the one, and most likely both, the West did not give a damn about all the promises, and for one all the international laws and rules established by the UN, for example, about the inviolability of the post-war borders.
                In Munich, Putin said, guys, we agreed, if you don’t comply, then we won’t. They told him, but we do not care, do what you want. And then there were calibers, vanguards, daggers, etc.
                About Sherkhan. He went north, and the pack defended his jungle from invasion. Thus, Sherkhan himself destroyed the system of relations in the jungle, and Mowgli only framed the changed situation. In the current crisis situation, the hegemon is not able to maintain order, everything is bursting at the seams, hence the need for the formation of a new structure, but the hegemon infantry does not want to landfill, and will cling to its position with its teeth.
            2. alecsis69
              alecsis69 25 June 2020 00: 50
              +2
              By the way, at the expense of taxation you are absolutely right. It needs to be changed. Only for this, you first need to remove that very "infantry" (in our case, these are officials of the central bank and the economic bloc of the government, actively supported by the US Federal Reserve through officials of its subsidiary structures), and she, the "infantry", is firmly entrenched and still stands firmly.
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 22 June 2020 11: 51
    39
    Quote: Wend
    Well then. We can assume that the author worked for the money.

    Can I ask? But how did Putin’s libels work out the money? Timchenko and other rotenbergs, which until 1999 and Chinese junk were not suitable for barging, they fed so much .... That Russia could launch aircraft carriers and cruisers more often than corvettes now. Well, maybe not more often. but probably at the same pace. And how did these gentlemen work out the money sucked from Russia? Or they can, because if not a guarantor and his Caudle. then who?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 22 June 2020 13: 20
      +9
      And how Putin’s slander money worked out?

      Good day! Ask questions and answer yourself. A sign of integrity of consciousness.

      And how these gentlemen worked out money from Russia sucked?
  • paul3390
    paul3390 22 June 2020 11: 53
    56
    Well - the last time the guarantor was trusted, he immediately dropped a whole generation below the baseboard, having arranged a completely cannibalistic pension-type reform .. And since he needed it again - we can assume that another robbery of epic proportions is planned ...
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 22 June 2020 13: 22
      29
      it can be assumed that another robbery of epic proportions is planned ...

      To hell with assumptions ... We can already say with confidence.
    2. Igoresha
      Igoresha 22 June 2020 18: 36
      +5
      when the guarantor was trusted
      it’s important not how they vote but how they think (s)
      1. Tatyana Pershina
        Tatyana Pershina 23 June 2020 06: 57
        +1
        If you are trying to quote Napoleon, then it is correct not to "count - in the sense of counting", but "count - in the sense of actually mean".
        But if this is your own bold thought, then this mantra is not new.
    3. Igor K
      Igor K 23 June 2020 12: 09
      -1
      Are we on the eve of a big schucher? belay
  • snake
    snake 22 June 2020 12: 06
    38
    Quote: Wend
    Well then. We can assume that the author worked for the money.

    Exactly. I worked conscientiously. I wrote a good, honest article. I have not become like deceitful propagandists and sycophants. It is a pity that the journalist Skomorokhov will receive for his personal opinion several times less than the buffoon Bezrukov, who sold his opinion for 60000 "dirty green papers".
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    2. depressant
      depressant 22 June 2020 16: 30
      21
      Here is a demo colleague writes that he has cats scratching his soul. And how they scrape at me! After all, it is on me and on people like me, the economy has already run in the future digital slavery of the population and is in a hurry, stumbling and falling, to vote "for" (another type of voting is simply not considered) in order to immediately implement the proven methods of illegal extortions from the population - everywhere and for everyone, not feeling the slightest gratitude to those who sincerely vote in favor. After all, the president ordered: as soon as "for", then immediately ...
      Self-isolation deprived me of the opportunity to protest economically in person. For example, by coming to an institution that ascribes monthly electricity debt to me, or to the prosecutor’s office on the same issue (there’s no way to get through the phone). Why so? - some will say. - Drive and express. Oh really? To get it like in the Moscow metro? Moreover, the fine will be taken away.
      That's how cleverly everything turned out, isn't it? A convenient thing is self-isolation, the image of our future life. The tax authorities write illegal taxes on a bunch of people, leaving the whole bunch in their underpants at all, or even without them, the people will open their mouths in displeasure, and the police: "Put on a mask, pay a fine!" Is it an exaggeration? Yes, before voting "for" - a satire on the image of the future, and after - the reality of the unstable era of endless coronaviruses of various modifications and mutations. Sweet dream of autocracy.
  • zenion
    zenion 22 June 2020 14: 54
    11
    Finally, the right slogan. It is not necessary to rearrange the beds, but to change the workers.
  • AclfgKt8
    AclfgKt8 22 June 2020 16: 21
    -4
    I really want to eat delicious ...
    So we do the work
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 22 June 2020 10: 57
    32
    Quote: blackice
    Do not touch pets.
    They have more people than those who are pushing these amendments, among which, by the way, LGBT people are more than among the people.

    When Miller's team "came" to Gazprom, they called it the "blue wave."
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      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 22 June 2020 11: 25
        18
        Quote: lexus
        I heard that in the lower chamber of the "parliament" the whole floor is set aside for the "dovecote". And at all the concerts "To the Bottom ..." more than half of the troubadours on the "rear wheel drive" crows.

        These are the heroes of Putin's time, or rather timelessness. hi
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 22 June 2020 11: 45
          -25 qualifying.
          The author imperceptibly to himself wrote the same.
          The author * is against amendments * only because like this * without a fight .. * into * the advanced * will be able to slip into the close ranks of * thinkers comprehending trends and trends * squeeze through. In those ranks, they seem to pay well, especially when they promise.
    2. depressant
      depressant 22 June 2020 12: 49
      37
      Dear Author Roman Skomorokhov! Let me not agree with you. You say that nothing has changed, in fact, everything has changed, but we do not feel it yet.
      Here is a quote from Valentina Matvienko’s statement on the Federation Council website:
      "The formation of a qualitatively new digital civilization is underway. The Federation Council has created a working group that revises our legislation taking into account the tests in the current force majeure conditions, for which the senators have been instructed to monitor and evaluate how the regions go through the regime of restrictive measures, remote control and digitalization. ... Part of the current crisis way of life will certainly be transferred in some form to future everyday life as more convenient. "
      How more convenient ... For whom?
      Our old stalls made of boards and sticks, which we could break through with some degree of ease, resisting one or another unfair manifestation of the state, are hastily encircled with digital sensors of security devices. Hurry, so as not to have time to realize what was happening. And when they impose it, the state will finally lose the appearance of an institution designed to carry out at least some justice in relation to the population. It will carry it out only in relation to itself, its structures. It re-imagined itself as our service staff. Vertical! The vertical shining and cleared of surpluses of the population! Only those who are suitable for the role of polishing it to the required brilliance will turn out to be in demand. The vertical is a monster structure separate from all of us and standing above us, not having any obligations before us, living only for itself. But somehow it will be difficult to resist this.
      After the revision of the laws by the Federation Council, I believe this will happen very quickly, the selection of those who are ready to "crouch and kiss" into the modernized electronic stalls will begin, abandoning a significant part of their rights in favor of the power vertical. And haste - so that you don't have time to get there. After all, if it comes, the formation of resistance from the "surplus" of the population is possible.
      I offered to shovel the laws for their corruption component. Shovel. So that I could not open my mouth and for one reason or another say "I do not agree!"
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 22 June 2020 13: 05
        18
        Quote: depressant
        I offered to shovel the laws for their corruption component. Shovel. So that I could not open my mouth and for one reason or another say "I do not agree!"

        SUPPER COMMENT !!! +100500 !!!
        Threat. It’s a pity that I can put only one plus sign. hi
      2. samarin1969
        samarin1969 22 June 2020 14: 32
        19
        About digital stalls - very accurately, figuratively and the whole point, Lyudmila Yakovlevna !! good
        And the "vertical" will now really finally exist for itself. "Convenient laws" are given too easily. ... At the same time, the respected government wants to "civilized" control respect for the respected Valentina Ivanovna.
        1. alecsis69
          alecsis69 23 June 2020 22: 56
          +1
          Valya will always have time to change her shoes, I would not pay much attention to her statements, this is not the wind, this is the weather vane. Today she pushes the law, tomorrow she herself proposes to repeal it.
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      1. alecsis69
        alecsis69 23 June 2020 22: 56
        0
        The people are you personally?
        1. Igor K
          Igor K 24 June 2020 00: 09
          -1
          I and everyone I know, I think 200 people no less. In Russia, I think about 70-80 percent. So you can start.
          1. alecsis69
            alecsis69 24 June 2020 00: 14
            +2
            Well, 200 people from one social group is, to put it mildly, not a very representative sample for 140 million. And if you take into account your pressure and categoricalness, then I’m not sure that everyone tells you what they really think.
    2. Wizzzard
      Wizzzard 24 June 2020 18: 31
      0
      Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
      Quote: blackice
      They have more people than those who are pushing these amendments, among which, by the way, LGBT people are more than among the people.

      And why do not you like the amendments?
      I lived under 5 Constitutions - the Soviet Khrushchev, Soviet Brezhnev, Soviet Gorbachev, Kazakh Nazarbayev, Russian Chubais-Yavlinsky (with which we now live). Has it somehow affected my life?
      Tired of Putin? You can always hang yourself and enjoy the paradise.
      He’s tired - and we hang ourselves? Your logic ... be healthy. By the way, paradise (getting to paradise) it was the GDP that promised - to know, he has more doom there. So before the guarantor in the loop is not necessary. Let him settle everything there until he decides. And there we will decide whether we need it or not.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 24 June 2020 18: 59
        0
        Quote: Wizzzard
        He’s tired - and we hang ourselves?

        Duc, you’re not tired of Putin. If you regularly pay taxes, you are even very pleasant to Putin.
        Well, if you intend after that, then you have to live for 14 years. Try to settle down more comfortably. Schaub was not sick.
  • Vicontas
    Vicontas 22 June 2020 21: 48
    +6
    As folklore says - "Haste is needed only when catching fleas." And also, when you spar from someone else's wife, and her husband catches up with you! And what fleas are so catching up with the Russian authorities that they are all fussing about? The itch of lifelong reign? It looks like ...
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  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 22 June 2020 10: 11
    29
    The monarchy will Volodka to the kingdom and us to serfs laughing
    1. Rusland
      Rusland 22 June 2020 10: 18
      -28 qualifying.
      But if you were a blogger, then with this post you would run to an ATM or a prickly landscape would be provided. Democracy however. yes
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 22 June 2020 10: 26
        10
        He would repent to the king and be forgiven generously laughing
        1. Rusland
          Rusland 22 June 2020 10: 29
          -13 qualifying.
          No, they just started shooting in that direction. Something is accepted in this direction. Carefully. hi
    2. Far B
      Far B 22 June 2020 10: 34
      29
      Mrs. Panfilova does not see at close range, declaring everything to be fakes
      Why not declare it, if the other day another pocket sociological office published the results of a poll, according to which 70-80 percent of Russians trust the activities of the CEC? Such are the gullible Russians, panima
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 22 June 2020 11: 11
        31
        Quote: Dalny V
        Why not declare it, if the other day another pocket sociological office published the results of a poll, according to which 70-80 percent of Russians trust the activities of the CEC? Such are the gullible Russians, panima

        Colleague, look what is happening at least on this site. After all, there are many adherents of the chief commander in chief who believe in his "talents", hpp, "intelligence" and "conscience".
        I do not know how to explain this phenomenon. request
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 22 June 2020 11: 23
          -18 qualifying.
          Quote: Malyuta
          I do not know how to explain this phenomenon.

          Have you ever received a salary with office paper for a Snowflake printer?
          If not, then you don’t understand.
          1. Far B
            Far B 22 June 2020 11: 33
            26
            You again about the bygone nineties barrel organ brought? No, seriously, it's time to start banning already. Under Ivan the Terrible, they didn’t pay salaries, imagine? Even the governors - they were feeding, which they themselves will collect from the people, and so they are added.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 11: 52
              -17 qualifying.
              The nineties were only 20 years ago, by historical standards - yesterday. The country in 2000 and the country now are two enormous differences, it is unfortunate that you do not see this or do not want to see it.
              1. Far B
                Far B 22 June 2020 12: 11
                38
                In fact, 20 years in the country's development is a huge period, at least since the beginning of the last century. You can compare the situation of the 1900s with the 20s, then term, sixties, eighties. And wonder how much everything has changed over twenty years. We can say that at the beginning of the century, only a few used the Internet, and now every first one, but this is the merit of progress, not Putin. You can nod that there’s nowhere to put a car in front of the house, but this, again, is not Putin’s merit - the debt load of the population has grown to a record 20 trillion rubles, 130 thousand for each (!) Resident of the country, including decrepit old people and infants. So it’s not necessary about what I see and what I don’t see, huh?
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 12: 23
                  -22 qualifying.
                  The disappearance of the poor and the homeless is not a consequence of progress. A rebuilt army, too. Children’s and sports grounds, new roads, normally working transport, services, too, can’t be pulled towards progress. Loans? Loans are not a freebie, this is a financial instrument, you need to give them back, so there is something to give them back. And with the Internet, especially with the mobile, it’s not so simple: in many developed countries, despite the notorious progress, it is objectively worse than in Russia, so there is a certain merit. Even in my God-forgotten little Motherland, for once, there appeared asphalt and sidewalks and gas, and this same Internet through air and optics.
                  1. Far B
                    Far B 22 June 2020 12: 35
                    28
                    Beggars and street children? How much has the population declined in Russia, excluding migrants? How many of them are currently in prison? There is no special secret, as it were. Children's and sports grounds? And you didn’t forget about the sharp rise in oil and gas prices at the beginning of the century, by chance? The same goes for the army. In the 14th year, the price began to decline, and population incomes magically crawled down. No, I do not argue, this is the merit of Putin. It’s just that it consists in one thing: the scheme of the robbery of the country is brought into a more civilized form. If with EBNe this was done without Vaseline, then now with Vaseline. However, this does not add pleasant sensations.
                    About loans
                    means there is something to give
                    Yeah, apparently that's why the delay is constantly growing
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 14: 20
                      -17 qualifying.
                      How much has the indigenous population decreased in prosperous Europe? And why? This is clearly not due to a low standard of living, but most likely the opposite: with an increase in income, a person changes the order of values. The highest birth rates are shown by the poorest countries, so that the birth rate is not an indicator.
                      My village was gasified and paved, and the roads were put in order in 2016, when hydrocarbon revenues dipped. Well, they don’t make loans at gunpoint; buying a car with a salary of 40 sput for more than two lemons is stupid, isn't it?
                      1. Far B
                        Far B 22 June 2020 14: 55
                        17
                        In the USSR, apparently, there was a very low standard of living, since the population grew?
                        Your village is a special case. The largest village of Primorye, Chernihiv, was not gasified even in 2011, when they pulled a gas pipeline to Russky Island by the APEC summit.
                        Why do you think that it is people with a salary of 40 ty who buy cars for more than two lemons? This is for the province, incidentally, a very substantial amount. Nevertheless, in my opinion, paying even 40 sput in our country is pure bestiality, because this is clearly not enough.
                      2. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 15: 05
                        -15 qualifying.
                        Because it was bought by one of my friends. Although, Solaris or Rio could maximize their income. Now aching. And yes: in the Union, the standard of living was not ah. I come from a large family, so we carried things one after another. My children are no longer there, they were completely packed. And I can afford much more than my parents.
                      3. Far B
                        Far B 22 June 2020 15: 17
                        13
                        Your friend is again a special case, to draw conclusions on his only example is not serious.
                        As for the standard of living in the Union, it was quite comparable with that in the "developed countries of the West." Before some particularly gifted individuals came to power, of course. And, if your children do not wear things one after another, this does not mean that other families do not have this. As it were, you are going against the general line, because at the very top we have recognized that families with children are in the greatest risk zone in terms of being able to fall below the poverty line.
                      4. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 15: 30
                        -10 qualifying.
                        It is possible that in the 60s we were head to head with developed countries. But in the late 80s, having visited Finland on a business trip, he noticed that we lagged behind them, and enormously. And in terms of living and in terms of social guarantees.
                        Large families are always at risk, but young people do not want to reproduce, not because of a lack of money. They have different values: career, travel, clothes, well, you should not forget infantilism, our generation has grown up earlier.
                      5. CT-55_11-9009
                        CT-55_11-9009 22 June 2020 17: 01
                        16
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        Large families are always at risk, but young people do not want to reproduce, not because of a lack of money. They have different values: career, travel, clothes, well, you should not forget infantilism, our generation has grown up earlier.

                        SERIOUSLY??? We do not want, because the values ​​are different ??? Do not speak for others, since you yourself are already quite mature! We just want to get enough babies like rabbits, you don’t need a lot of mind for that, but where to live? We won’t fit in the box from the fridge, my parents don’t have ice either, what, take my parents to a nursing home and stop by? Very dirty reception. Mortgage - slavery for a decade or two, and if you lose a decent salary (due to the second wave of coronavirus, the first wave of dolphin consumption, etc., etc.)? There is work, and there is a lot, just making money on it (except for cases of shift, thieves and cities with a million-plus population, especially Moscow) is not very. The average salary in the regions is about 23 thousand rubles. This is someone who was lucky to gnaw at such a place. Mostly on exchanges are ads on places with 10-12-14 thousand rubles per month. Dirty. AND WHAT SHICH DO I CONTAIN EVEN FAMILY WITHOUT CHILDREN ??? Moscow, shift and Gazprom with Rosneft are not enough for everyone.
                      6. DVR
                        DVR 22 June 2020 18: 42
                        -7
                        SERIOUSLY??? We do not want, because the values ​​are different ??? Do not speak for others, since you yourself are already quite mature! We just want to get enough babies like rabbits, you don’t need a lot of mind for that, but where to live? We won’t fit in the box from the fridge, my parents don’t have ice either, what, take my parents to a nursing home and stop by? It’s a very dirty reception ...... The average salary in the regions is about 23 thousand rubles. This is someone who was lucky to gnaw at such a place. Mostly on exchanges are ads on places with 10-12-14 thousand rubles per month. Dirty. AND WHAT SHICH DO I CONTAIN EVEN FAMILY WITHOUT CHILDREN ???

                        Ay-yay-yay, "very dirty trick"! But even the CIA statistics as of 2020 disagree with you:
                        № Country Number of births per 1000 people.
                        1 Niger 47,5
                        2 Angola 42,7
                        3 Uganda 42,3
                        4 Mali 42,2
                        5 Benin 42,1
                        6 Chad 41,7
                        7 DR Congo 41
                        8 Zambia 40,4
                        9 Malawi 40,1
                        This list can be extended for another 150 positions approximately before we see a country with a high standard of living, a beacon of developed democracy, which our "dear" liberals and pseudo-patriots set as an example for us. See any statistics - the results do not vary much. And who is using "very dirty tricks" here?
                      7. CT-55_11-9009
                        CT-55_11-9009 23 June 2020 17: 55
                        -3
                        Quote: DVR
                        And who is using "very dirty tricks" here?

                        I called this dirty trick:
                        Quote: CT-55_11-9009
                        What, take parents to a nursing home and call in?

                        So by.
                        Farther. About the values. Do you think that all the young people want ... uh ... that same act without children under 60 (or even 70)? Only a new iPhone and a cheesecake with some kind of neck (did these Anglicisms fall into the abyss)? No, there are those who meet (with partners of the opposite sex, imagine!), Live together, but they don’t think about children yet, because the family’s earnings are barely enough even for two of them! The rent, rent (or mortgage, I don’t even know which is worse) is a lot, and nobody canceled food and goods of at least the first necessities. A child, even one, is a big expense, so both parents will have to plow like damned. Who will bring up the child? Grandmothers and grandfathers? So whoever they stayed with will have to work too, thanks to pension reform ...
                        Quote: DVR
                        This list can be continued for another 150 positions approximately before we see a country with a high standard of living, a beacon of developed democracy, which our "dear" liberals and pseudo-patriots set as an example for us. Look at any statistics - the results do not vary much.

                        The trouble is that the same situation exists in such a beloved-adored by many West, only, firstly so there is less arrogant deception, and secondly, there are more free funds left, and there is some stability (in the good sense of the word).
                      8. DVR
                        DVR 24 June 2020 08: 41
                        +4
                        And it was exactly Andrei’s words that confused you:
                        Large families are always at risk, but the youth does not want to breed, not because of a lack of money. They have different values: career, travel, clothes, well, you should not forget infantilism, our generation has grown up earlier.

                        so that you wrote a capsule and put 3 question marks each.
                        This is exactly what you refuted:
                        AND WHAT SHICH DO I CONTAIN EVEN FAMILY WITHOUT CHILDREN ???

                        I just gave you statistics that proves that they don’t want to reproduce, not because there is not enough money. You yourself have agreed to this now.
                        The trouble is that the same situation exists in such a beloved-adored by many West, only, firstly, there is less impudent cheating, and secondly, there are more free funds left, and there is no stability (in good sense of the word).

                        There is an order of magnitude more cheating, Western media will give the Soviets a head start on the level of misinformation and propaganda. There are countless examples of this.
                        "More free funds" are also far from everywhere, we do not have such tent cities for homeless people as in the states. And not for long. All this beautiful showcase of capitalism was built in opposition to the USSR. There are almost no colonies left for active plundering. On one collapse of the Union, they only profited from trillions of dollars (by any estimate), but they have already been eaten. If Russia is not destroyed, then this showcase will empty quickly enough. And the fact that incomes are small, especially in the outback, does not make me happy either.
              2. brat07
                brat07 24 June 2020 03: 40
                +3
                Your friend is again a special case, to draw conclusions on his only example is not serious.

                This is not a special case.
                An acquaintance of mine bought a "wheelbarrow" with a salary of 50k + salary of a wife of 35k. 2,5 lemons.
                It's just "show off". IMHO.
                Why? Ask him.
                I don’t understand such people.
                Unfortunately, there are many!
    3. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 22 June 2020 23: 23
      +8
      This is where the beggars disappeared and the homeless.
      Something in our city has not gone away. And recently (a couple of months) the number of beggars seems to have increased. And by no means persons of gypsy nationality.
    4. Roman123567
      Roman123567 23 June 2020 09: 19
      +1
      The disappearance of the poor
      Kagbe them actually became more ..))
  • Loh
    Loh 22 June 2020 16: 20
    -9
    So this should not be the merit of Putin. His task is to create conditions for progress and this is his merit. And about the debt load of the population ... a source (a reference please) do not tell me? And besides, who forces the population to take a loan without thinking? In 1997, I worked in South Africa (there was still paradise for whites), so it’s a custom that after 18 years, children leave to live on their own and the loan for housing at that time was 18%. Young people bought or built housing (I note that they were houses, not apartments) or rented. And the head did not hurt from the debt.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 22 June 2020 19: 17
      10
      Quote: Loh
      after 18 years, children leave to live on their own and the loan for housing at that time was 18%. Young people bought or built housing (I note that they were houses, not apartments) or rented.

      And where is South Africa now? At the World Cup, a black man drove journalists in a bus, which then slept in the trunk of a bus.
      1. Loh
        Loh 24 June 2020 15: 41
        +1
        [quote = Mordvin 3] And where is South Africa now? Read carefully. Apartheid was abolished in 1994, and I am describing 1997, South Africa was still a paradise for whites and for a black man the chauffeur job was prestigious.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 22 June 2020 13: 57
    +9
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    The nineties were just 20 years ago
    30, actually.
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    The country in 2000 and the country now are two huge differences
    We see. The country developed into zero, now it is degrading.
  • VladimirGore
    VladimirGore 23 June 2020 11: 21
    +4
    Indeed, the difference is obvious, in the nineties we had 4-5 large construction organizations in the region and 1 bridge-building company now 1 and there are no bridge-building companies at all. There were 2-3 district hospitals and the morgue is now 0,5 hospital and without a morgue. I do not consider organizations with a handful of migrant workers who can only dig trenches, these were organizations with their bases, dead ends, concrete plants and the ABZ. You can go on for a long time.
    At 90, it was sometimes easier to negotiate with the bandits than it is now to agree with an official who has one answer to the fact that you were simply thrown into debts: "I didn't do it, it's all a program."
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 22 June 2020 13: 11
    -8
    Dear, who remembers the old, the eye goes out, and who forgets, the two. To forget about the dashing 90s, the lads and the liberal are constantly urging us ... you. The success would be staggering if, at the behest of all the screaming fosterlings, who were sucked by our sworn friends, suddenly took and forgot about the 90s, also about the Great Patriotic War, the reign of Chubaysy and his friends, Yeltsin, the seven-bankers, etc.
    A cross on Russia could then be safely set.
    Do not wait, Russia has not forgotten in the 90s and will always remember how you would not call to forget.
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 22 June 2020 19: 28
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: The Truth
      Do not wait, Russia did not forget the 90s

      They are hoping for free cookies. Like the Indians in Manhattan.
  • codetalker
    codetalker 22 June 2020 13: 11
    -6
    I just can’t understand one thing ... well, you can think with your head before formulating a thought?
    The events that unfold today are influenced (including) by the processes that were launched earlier. There are very long-running processes ... So for some parameters it is necessary to compare with the era of Ivan the Terrible.
  • Revival
    Revival 22 June 2020 16: 36
    +6
    That is, they are ready to do anything for a "handout" in the mrot, since earlier it was only for "food", if only again not for "food".
    What a humble position!
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 22 June 2020 11: 38
    +9
    Quote: Boris55
    Have you ever received a salary with office paper for a Snowflake printer?

    It's good to be a senior citizen, right? Here, under Putin, you don’t know what will happen tomorrow, just have time to look for work.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 22 June 2020 11: 46
      -17 qualifying.
      Quote: Dalny V
      You again about the bygone nineties barrel organ brought?

      Everything is relative. Well, you acknowledge Putin’s merit that life has become better.

      Quote: Mordvin 3
      ut, under Putin you don’t know what will happen tomorrow, just have time to look for work.

      Not here under Putin, but under the current Constitution. Do you not understand that our life, and that of the president, is limited by laws. We change the Basic Law, and everyone else will change.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 22 June 2020 11: 58
        29
        Quote: Boris55
        We change the Basic Law, and everyone else will change.

        As I understand it, there will be a second wave of amendments, and then maybe more? And then I didn’t see anything in the current amendments about providing jobs, or production.
        And what’s a lifelong senatorialism? Can you immediately introduce the transfer of power by inheritance, like the English House of Lords?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 22 June 2020 12: 59
          -27 qualifying.
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          And then I didn’t see anything in the current amendments

          The meaning of the amendments, Putin-will replace the pro-Western Duma with the pro Russian. This is only the first step in the evolutionary change of the social system.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 22 June 2020 18: 11
            11
            Quote: Boris55
            The meaning of the amendments, Putin-will replace the pro-Western Duma with the pro Russian.

            Though kill, I do not see the point. Although, if the pro-Russian - Mumu, Gerasim and the lady, then the meaning appears. The lady is a bastard, but we will drown the dog.
          2. AUL
            AUL 22 June 2020 18: 53
            +8
            Quote: Boris55
            The meaning of the amendments, Putin-will replace the pro-Western Duma with the pro Russian.

            What are you doing ?! Disperse current Dumaks? Did he tell you that? But what about the stability of power?
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 22 June 2020 21: 00
              +8
              The meaning of the amendments Putin-will replace the pro-Western Duma with the pro Russian

              Yes, I have never seen such schizophrenia.
          3. Kuzyakin15
            Kuzyakin15 22 June 2020 23: 31
            +5
            And how do you replace a pro-Western Duma with a pro-Russian one if the amendments to the prohibition on deputies owning property abroad are rejected. Amendment prohibiting family members from having accounts abroad to deputies is rejected. And what about the amendment about the Central Bank?
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 22 June 2020 12: 19
        22
        Quote: Boris55
        Everything is relative. Well, you acknowledge Putin’s merit that life has become better.

        Life got better not because of the bastard, but because of the high prices in the hydrocarbon market.
        And now the main thing is that it was under Putin that the Soviet industrial base and energy were destroyed, astronautics are trying to achieve, the Mir station was drowned, medicine and education are being deliberately destroyed.
        I don’t even want to vang, but what will happen in the fall and winter and at the beginning of the next year will surprise you very much and the 90s will become paradise forests for you. hi
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 22 June 2020 12: 56
          -15 qualifying.
          Quote: Malyuta
          I don’t even want to vang, but what will happen in the fall and winter and at the beginning of the next year will surprise you very much and the 90s will become paradise forests for you

          You just do not forget this post. laughing
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 22 June 2020 13: 02
            11
            Quote: Boris55
            You just do not forget this post. laughing

            Okayne. hi
          2. AUL
            AUL 22 June 2020 18: 55
            +7
            Quote: Boris55
            You just do not forget this post.

            And you yours - about the replacement of the State Duma!
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 14: 30
          -16 qualifying.
          How successful could this famous "Soviet industrial base" have operated in a competitive environment? The ZIL-130 would undoubtedly be snapped up in global markets. Like the TVs "Raduga" The people voted in rubles and not in favor of the products of our industry. That's all there is to know about its quality and advancedness. And stop referring to Mir station - it worked in orbit three times more than the assigned resource. And it's not worth wanging: the Vangs have already predicted a dollar for two hundred and hopeless poverty, but we live, we live well and do not cough.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 22 June 2020 19: 23
            +9
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            The ZIL-130 would undoubtedly be snapped up in global markets. Like TVs "Rainbow"

            I’m embarrassed to ask ... Are the products of your sawmill snapped up in global markets?
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 19: 48
              0
              My nose is not mature enough, and the quality is good, customers do not complain. And I don’t set a high price. There is a demand.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 22 June 2020 22: 17
                +6
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                My nose is not mature enough, and the quality is good, customers do not complain. And I don’t set a high price. There is a demand.

                Well, that's how ZIL 130 was in demand.
              2. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 23 June 2020 07: 42
                0
                It was. Until an alternative appeared in the form of a foreign car. Moreover, often used. Here is the demand and. swam away - the plant closed. You can’t keep the same auto trash on the conveyor for many years in a row.
      3. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 22 June 2020 19: 34
        -4
        Quote: Malyuta
        Life is better not because of the bastard, but because of the high prices in the hydrocarbon market

        Gee-gee-gee !!! In the 90s they were more at times, but all went away - by interest on GKOs. If you forget, such a piece of paper, you take for six months a million, at 400%, you give it to oil fields and factories.
  • akunin
    akunin 22 June 2020 11: 58
    18
    Quote: Boris55
    Have you ever received a salary with office paper for a Snowflake printer?
    If not, then you don’t understand.

    if you are talking about the "damned 90s", then for 2 years I did not receive children for a child and a salary of 6 months at all (even a "snowflake"). if you think that receiving remuneration for your work is a merit of the authorities (you are given money that owes ) Then rejoice and applaud.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 22 June 2020 13: 06
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: akunin
      Then rejoice and applaud.

      Elementary in the budget of the country there was no money. Only after Putin reviewed oil and gas contracts did money appear, the state began to fulfill its social obligations.

      ps
      By the way, from Sakhalin-1, 2 we still have 30% of their income, the rest goes to the USA.
      1. akunin
        akunin 23 June 2020 16: 35
        -1
        Quote: akunin
        By the way, from Sakhalin-1, 2 we still have 30% of their income, the rest goes to the USA.

        why 30%?
        Only after Putin reviewed oil and gas contracts did money appear, the state began to fulfill its social obligations.

        In April 2007, Gazprom bought back a controlling stake for $ 7,45 billion [3] - 50% plus one share - thus, Shell - 27,5% minus 1 share, Mitsui - 12,5%, Mitsubishi - 10 %
        should be 50%.
    2. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 22 June 2020 19: 42
      -4
      Quote: akunin
      if you think that receiving remuneration for your work is a merit of power (they give you the money they owe)

      In the 90s, under Yeltsin, it was possible not to pay, and ride around the Maldives. Under Putin, non-payment of salaries became a criminal offense. What Navalny ran into. For 4 years he did not pay workers of Kirovles a salary, as a result flew according to the article, broke up with all the millions stolen from the people, switched to American cash, and even now constantly flies to half a million - does not indicate that FBK is a foreign agent.
      1. Vrungeli
        Vrungeli 22 June 2020 19: 48
        -4
        Quote: Oo sarcasm
        In the 90s, under Yeltsin, it was possible not to pay, and ride around the Maldives. Under Putin, non-payment of salaries became a criminal offense. What Navalny ran into. For 4 years he did not pay workers of Kirovles a salary, as a result flew according to the article, broke up with all the millions stolen from the people, switched to American cash, and even now constantly flies to half a million - does not indicate that FBK is a foreign agent.

        Brother served for him ...! And he still teaches us the fight against corruption ..?
        Look into his eyes and how he moves them with his hands .. I probably learned how to lie for a long time and they clearly taught in the special services of the State Department ..
        Why has he still not been stripped of his citizenship and not kicked out of the country?
        After all, he calls our veterans "lackeys", etc. Kirkorov, too, was activated by the Bulgarians-Romanians in his insults .. How long will the men tolerate?
  • Snarkxnumx
    Snarkxnumx 22 June 2020 20: 15
    +3
    "Have you ever received a salary with office paper for a Snowflake printer?
    If not, you will not understand. "

    What then were silent? Would come out like that. normal self-respecting ..... Now your past fears and self-abuse are pouring out to us. To everyone. It was not easy. How do you explain that nulling pulls the country into the abyss.
  • snake
    snake 22 June 2020 12: 23
    +4
    Quote: Malyuta
    After all, there are many adherents of the chief chieftain's sect who believe in his "talents," hpp, "intelligence" and "conscience."

    Perhaps some of them believe in 15 rubles.
  • Igor K
    Igor K 23 June 2020 15: 52
    -2
    Paid many of these.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 22 June 2020 15: 18
    +3
    We are already in serfs, if anyone does not understand. While with a fiscal collar in the form of personal income tax at the "non-subsistence" minimum. Soon, with a digital collar to ensure retention.
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 22 June 2020 19: 43
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: andrew42
      Soon, with a digital collar, to guarantee retention.

      Well, go to the USA. There without a collar. Immediately into the muzzle. The black.
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 22 June 2020 20: 24
        10
        Ooh sarcasm. Did he write with a hangover, without going into the meaning of Russian speech? My Motherland is the Russian people from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok, including our old people and children. And in the USA I have nothing to do. Since you switched to "you", defender of the lordly, then the States are just paradise for such "beavers" like you, who pull the blanket of "success" over themselves and do not care about their neighbors. Therefore, curb your senseless sarcasm, and pull up your culture for a start.
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi 23 June 2020 08: 43
          -6
          Quote: andrew42
          My Motherland is the Russian people from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok, including the elderly and our children.

          Well, I’m an old man. And what do you say on my behalf?
          Temper your global holiness. For your interests and beliefs of an office hamster do not coincide even with the interests and beliefs of your office neighbor.
          Yeltsin-Chubais wrote their constitution for Bantustan Russia. Full control over the administration, the court. the army from the "international", read - American, organizations. Although Honduras and Kiribati can conclude an agreement that their budgets should be filled by Russia, and boldly submit monetary claims to the UN court, their agreement is international and fully complies with the Russian constitution.
          Now that Russia in the Basic Law is moving away from the status of Bantustan - why is it so excited? No, the Russians are not your people. From your point of view, the Russians are not looking to your dreams. Like the human rights activist Novodvorskaya: hang up, hang up and hang up the commie, on which she points a finger.
          So do not worry about the people. Work hard in the sweat of your face, study for the rest of your life in order to settle down in a sunnier place in Magadan.
          1. andrew42
            andrew42 23 June 2020 14: 01
            +2
            I don’t know what kind of “old man” you are, but when I’m 50, don’t poke me with “office hamsters” and “offices”. Either you do not see beyond your nose, or you deliberately stir everything up in one heap - the second is most likely.
            It seems that you have served in the offices in full, or you are still sitting, perhaps. For "commies" you harnessed, so "commies" is an expression that has been used since 1990 by liberals of Gaidar's style, the same "Novodvorsk". A real communist will never blur out like that. You got a puncture. If you are a communist, then a mummer, one of those that broke up the party with Gorbaty., But inside a pure bourgeois. I repeat once again - the point is not even in the amendments, where a couple of grains are still among the chaff. Half of the essence is HOW they are thrown to the people to "vote", and the very clowning around this "expression of will", which is about nothing, because EVERYTHING has already been decided in advance. The second half of the essence is that the constitution, as it was, and will remain bourgeois, does not guarantee the working people ANYTHING, except for written paper. For this he will guarantee the rights of the new bourgeoisie and its servants. A communist, damn it, there was a "Tereshkovo" type - by God, sarcasm.
            1. Oyo Sarkazmi
              Oyo Sarkazmi 23 June 2020 18: 59
              -2
              Quote: andrew42
              A communist, damn it, there was a "Tereshkovo" type,

              Gee. Imagine, I was not even a Komsomol member. Well, late for the meeting. And then he waved his hand, it didn’t interfere with life.
              You, too, are a liberal Indian, since you stand for total control over Russia by foreigners? If you like the Russian constitution with preferences for external administration. And you are ashamed in front of Trump, Biden, Poroshenko and Zelinsky, and other leaders of European reservations for Putin's independence from external control. So independent that shaking his hand is a crime punishable by complete confiscation of property. Just yesterday, one more "oligarch" decided to find a safe haven in New Zealand. But the US Treasury Department frowned - and the "oligarch" had 80 million. One patriot arrived in Russia laughing
              Whether or not they pay you for lobbying the robbery of Russia, I don’t know. However, amendments, no matter what kind of sauce they go under, suit me. Like life in and around my house. The last 20 years are just fine. And I’m 60 years old. I’ve seen a lot from Nikita Sergeich to GDP.
  • Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi 22 June 2020 19: 27
    -11 qualifying.
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Volodka to the kingdom and us to serfs

    no, you’ll only be a holy fool. Because under any power it will be too lazy to move. Only squeak that the ruler of the boy killed.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 22 June 2020 10: 12
    27
    It is not a frequent case when I fully agree with the author. The questions in the article are not in the eyebrow, but in the eye, that's just a pity we will not get answers to them from those in power. Personally, I am a forty percent who will not go to vote for this farce. I'm just ashamed.
    1. AA17
      AA17 22 June 2020 10: 57
      17
      Dear, Leader of the Redskins. A controversy has flared up over the Amendments. In fact, this is not the most important thing. When the Power is needed, it can "close its eyes" to the Constitution (A recent example is "self-isolation"). I see that Voting for Amendments to the Constitution is an attempt in the future by those in power to convert the approval of the population of amendments to the Constitution in support of the citizens of Russia to the incumbent President, i.e. the population allegedly approved of V. Putin's actions during all the years of his rule, including the Pension Reform. This vote will be an assessment of the role of Putin in the modern history of Russia, a summing up of the results of the government. You can say: "I have erected a monument not made by hands ..." Further there should be Immunity and Peace. V. Putin will not be nominated for the next presidential term.
      A positive result will be obtained in any case. To do this, voting is carried out by all unprecedented methods and methods: voting at home, by mail, electronic voting, voting during the week. Because a positive assessment of Putin’s rule is a positive assessment of the entire bureaucratic apparatus in order to exclude various persecutions and lustrations in the future. I also do not intend to participate in this vote.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 22 June 2020 11: 36
        10
        it becomes more fun and then you begin to involuntarily think, but do I need the citizenship of a country with such a government?
        that something will change for the better (for the people) in the future, I have big doubts
        1. mark1
          mark1 22 June 2020 11: 45
          -7
          Run, Klingon, run ... (and never come back!)
        2. Loh
          Loh 22 June 2020 16: 37
          -8
          We are citizens of the country (fatherland) and it does not depend on the government. Get down dear Klingon boy bad, get down and don't come back.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 22 June 2020 21: 09
            +4
            So what will remain of the once great country if the people scatter?
      2. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 22 June 2020 12: 00
        13
        Quote: AA17
        Next must be Immunity

        An article on immunity is not the most terrible amendment to the constitution. It is without options contrary to the article on equal rights. And it introduces into the constitution a division not into masters and serfs, and not even into castes like the Indian. Here, ancient Egypt is at full height. Pharaoh is the son of God, and the crowds of slaves are around.
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 22 June 2020 11: 01
      15
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      when I fully agree with the author.

      I also completely agree, but I am surprised by the fact how long people have been seeing. Well, there can be nothing good for the country from an ebna receiver, it CAN’t and I’ve been talking about this for 20 years!
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 22 June 2020 21: 12
        +2
        Well, from the successor nullified, there will also be nothing good for us.
    3. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 23 June 2020 04: 46
      -3
      I also have more questions than intelligible answers. re-read the proposed amendments several times. almost everything is simply incomprehensible to me. what for??? what will change? I do not understand. never a supporter of Putin, but still I will go and vote for. because already do not care.
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 23 June 2020 11: 48
        -1
        Quote: Skarpzd
        I have more questions than clear answers. I reread the proposed amendments several times. almost everything is simply incomprehensible to me. what for??? what will change? I do not understand... never a supporter of Putin, but still I will go and vote for. because already do not care.


        Well, what can I say?
        In your case, the "debilizor" has fulfilled its functions by "stopizzot" percent. wassat
        1. Skarpzd
          Skarpzd 23 June 2020 13: 03
          -2
          what does the debilizer have to do with it? I just do not care for these amendments. I'm a middle-aged man. and I understand that what is written on paper does not mean the fulfillment of what has been stated never. in my opinion, each of the amendments separately seems to be correct, even mentioning God does not upset me, even though I am an atheist. but all together cause some kind of misunderstanding. and the rush with which all this happens personally is not entirely clear to me. zeroing? Yes, generally violet. what's the difference under what sauce will Putin be chosen again? and yes ... still such a moment - why, in fact, only 2 terms? not three or five? I repeat - I have never been, and now I am not a supporter of Putin. The reasons for this are different. but it’s me, and many people with whom I communicate have voted and will vote for him. I'm in the minority. So what? barricades to arrange now? with what? Russia has exhausted the limit on coups in my opinion. so let Putin be, sometimes he does get some things. It’s a pity that it never brings to mind.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 22 June 2020 10: 12
    -12 qualifying.
    The title photo is interesting, namely, citizens of a characteristic liberal appearance, and what is most curious, with characteristic Kumaks. Perhaps Verzilov where he lurked in the crowd.
    Boris, fight!
    1. blackice
      blackice 22 June 2020 10: 22
      23
      Let me ask you what betrays a liberal in a person?
      And do not the authorities shout about their liberality, but they look different in contrast to these in the photo.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 22 June 2020 10: 27
        -16 qualifying.
        Quote: blackice
        Let me ask you what betrays a liberal in a person?

        Who are these comrades, proletarians? They have imprinted on their faces.
        1. blackice
          blackice 22 June 2020 10: 31
          +8
          Well you know !!!
          Someone looking at you, too, someone might think a lot.
          Of course, in any crowd there are people catching their fish in troubled waters, but you should definitely not judge everyone.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 22 June 2020 10: 35
            -10 qualifying.
            Quote: blackice
            Someone looking at you, too, someone might think a lot.

            I don't care much about who and what can .... think a lot while looking at me.
            I, by the gatherings under the Bandera flags, are not a walker.
            And where are the hungry proletarians? Show at least one in the photo.
            1. blackice
              blackice 22 June 2020 10: 39
              +6
              And you take a closer look.
              I don’t think that there, for the sake of demonstration, some came out in frankly Chinese shmurdyak (it's hard to call it normal clothes)
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 22 June 2020 10: 42
                -4
                Quote: blackice
                some came out in frankly Chinese shmurdyak

                The whole country walks in frankly Chinese shmurdyak.
                Comrade, keep fighting for a free trial!
                1. blackice
                  blackice 22 June 2020 10: 49
                  11
                  The whole country walks in frankly Chinese shmurdyak.

                  Just paid and endowed with power in frankly Chinese do not go.
                2. snake
                  snake 22 June 2020 12: 35
                  16
                  Quote: bober1982
                  The whole country walks in frankly Chinese shmurdyak.

                  Oooh! Damned liberals! What is the country up to ... and ... stop ... Liberals are those who are against the government? And the authorities - for import substitution. But aren't the liberals in power? Or liberals? I’m completely confused ... Probably, after the adoption of the amendments, we will throw off the Chinese shmurdyak, like a snake in the skin during molting, and put on gold and brocade like the staff of the Russian Orthodox Church.
                  - Oh! Wan! Look, what dwarfs!
                  Wearing a jersey - not a jerk,
                  At our fifth garment factory
                  This is unlikely anyone will sing.

                  And you, by golly, Wan,
                  Well, all my friends are so torn
                  And they always drink at such an early time
                  Such rubbish! (C)
            2. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 22 June 2020 11: 08
              +4
              Sorry, where did you spot the Bandera flag?
              I see the European Union, I see Ukraine ... But I don’t watch red and black ... request or are you allergic to blue, gold and yellow?
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 22 June 2020 11: 17
                -7
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                I see the European Union, I see Ukraine ...

                Who staggers under such flags? Starving proletarians and labor peasants?
                Are you a supporter of European integration?
                1. The leader of the Redskins
                  The leader of the Redskins 22 June 2020 11: 23
                  10
                  I am a supporter of objectivity:
                  where is the bandera flag?
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 22 June 2020 11: 27
                    -16 qualifying.
                    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                    I am a supporter of objectivity:
                    where is the bandera flag?

                    Ukraine, there is BANDERSTAN, dear comrade, a supporter of objectivity! This is a fascist quasi-state.
                    Photos for the article are unsuccessful, frankly "burned", which means haste, hence such punctures.
                    1. The leader of the Redskins
                      The leader of the Redskins 22 June 2020 11: 35
                      +8
                      Turn off the iron, coffee grinder and TV. Tear down the posters of Solovyov and Kiselyov from the wall. Get back to reality ....
                2. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 11: 54
                  -13 qualifying.
                  There, basically, those who did not lift anything heavier than a fountain pen. Professional guardians for the people, faithful colleagues of Vicki Nuland.
              2. DVR
                DVR 22 June 2020 19: 00
                -4
                Sorry, where did you spot the Bandera flag?
                I see the European Union, I see Ukraine ... But I don’t watch red and black ... request or are you allergic to blue, gold and yellow?

                The leader of the redskins (Nazarii), who claims that there is no neo-Nazism in Ukraine, justifying this ukronazism, now claims that the flag of Ukraine is not Bandera? The flag of Ukraine, which Bandera recognized as its national hero, who executes people by the name of this bastard and the executioners are untouchable, can not now be called Bandera?
                1. The leader of the Redskins
                  The leader of the Redskins 22 June 2020 19: 27
                  +3
                  Do not distort. I NEVER wrote about the lack of nationalism in Ukraine. Bandera had their own flag - red-black.
                  You can call your wet dreams whatever you like, but don’t take this nonsense out. There are facts. As soon as you show me the Bandera flag in this photo, I will apologize to everyone, the crown will not fall.
                  For example, I, too, at your post have formed an opinion about you. But I can’t stand it as a fact on public display ....
                  1. DVR
                    DVR 22 June 2020 20: 03
                    +1
                    Do not distort. I NEVER wrote about the lack of nationalism in Ukraine.

                    This is not about nationalism, if you read my comment, it is about neo-Nazism in Ukraine, revived and supported from the outside.
                    You can call your wet dreams whatever you like, but do not take this nonsense out. There are facts.

                    I brought you the facts in the last discussion. Are you few? Can you comment on the above?
                    For example, I, too, at your post have formed an opinion about you. But I can’t stand it as a fact on public display ....

                    You can bear any facts, it won’t bother me. Make up your mind about what you want about me, it doesn’t bother me. There are topics where there can be no consensus or discussion. There can be no movement of the discourse window here. Justifying Nazism-the enemy, no discussion. And what to put on display, all in open comments, not in PM.
                    As you wrote there:
                    To the extent that we are described by the media - no. Fascists, by the way, are 100 percent. You just may not be aware, but the Nazis and the Nazis are different concepts.
                    Nationalism is present. Incidentally, he is akin to National Socialism. Sometimes manifested in a radical form. But so that to shout about him from the irons - I have not met and from relatives and friends I have not heard. But if you equate to such manifestations of zigzag and torchlight processions, then with the surprise of the Nazis you can find us.

                    You mix Nazism and nationalism so strangely, then compare it with National Socialism. Further, according to your logic, you can compare all this with socialism :)
                    To all these twists, I answered you back then and am ready to repeat:
                    Ukraine is under external control, which can be discussed here. Fascization is not 100% conditional, because Ukraine is a manual state, and fascism is manual. Therefore, some criteria of fascism are not directly applicable. Now he will teach us the terms: fascism, nationalism, socialism, national socialism. In fact, this is a pathetic attempt to justify neo-Nazism in Ukraine and in general.
                    In Ukraine, this is the state level, where the Nazis are untouchable, they burn people in Odessa and do a lot of other things and go unpunished. And here they are marginalized and traitors who will not lift a finger openly, since there are enough men in Russia. They learn in narrow circles the precepts of Bandera), they are not capable of more, because the state is not fascist, unlike Ukraine. Show me examples from us. I have already shown the most "harmless" ones. Look again, your brothers are frolicking:
                    https://vk.com/video163296047_168410119
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=0Z_BomHI25E&feature=emb_title

                    PS:
                    The article is not in trend in time, do not worry - the majority will not read our dialogue. Search "with the surprise of the Nazis with us."
                    1. The leader of the Redskins
                      The leader of the Redskins 22 June 2020 20: 52
                      -2
                      I didn’t even put a minus to you, because you are clearly not in the know. Google fascism, Nazism, nationalism and you will be surprised to see that these are different concepts. And applying them to neighbors would just kindle stronger national impatience.
                      1. DVR
                        DVR 22 June 2020 21: 06
                        +1
                        Google fascism, Nazism, nationalism and you will be surprised to see that these are different concepts.

                        You are right, I spoke about this in the previous comment. And in the answers you replace Nazism and nationalism. On fascism and its features in Ukraine, too, everything is said above.
                        I didn’t even put a minus to you, because you are clearly not in the know.

                        And here in vain. Here, on the 15th, I wrote to a respected person:
                        ... I want to reach a private in a couple of weeks - here at the moment this is the most honorary title.

                        It doesn’t work, my hands do not reach commenting, I don’t have time to read articles at times. I’m still not a protroll. Almost all my comments are quarantined while time waswink
                      2. The leader of the Redskins
                        The leader of the Redskins 22 June 2020 21: 17
                        -3
                        You in the previous comment did NOT write ANYTHING intelligible. Standard set of propaganda. If you owned the question, then you realized that there is NOTHING shameful in nationalism. This is simply the identification of a nation as citizens of a single country, faith and so on. Radical nationalism is much worse. Nowadays, it manifests itself everywhere. Scumbags enough.
                        Nazism is worse. But he does not approach Ukraine, since there is anti-Semitism in it. In Ukraine? When same and Kolomoisky? !!!
                        Odessa? People burned on a national basis? And who burned? Surprise, but the inhabitants of Odessa and Kharkov are mostly Russian-speaking people.
                        I do not recommend you argue on those issues in which you are poorly versed.
                      3. DVR
                        DVR 22 June 2020 22: 35
                        +1
                        You in the previous comment did NOT write ANYTHING intelligible.

                        In the previous comments, of which there are few, I have defined the specifics of Ukrainian "manual" fascism. And also said:
                        This is not about nationalism, if you read my comment, it is about neo-Nazism in Ukraine, revived and supported from the outside.

                        Standard set of propaganda.

                        You discovered the Nazis in Russia, but you stubbornly do not want to see the Nazis and fascists in Ukraine. Immutable Nazis, as evidenced by the abundance of facts, and only their supporter will argue with this.
                        So, no agitation, only the facts in all my previous comments that you never bothered to answer.
                        If you owned the question, then you realized that there is NOTHING shameful in nationalism. This is simply the identification of a nation as citizens of a single country, faith and so on.

                        I had nothing and I have nothing against "healthy" and patriotic nationalism, however, in Russia it is applicable only in relation to the "nation", in relation to "citizens of Russia", who are about 200 nationalities. Which is essentially patriotism. Nationalism on a national basis in a country with hundreds of nationalities is not acceptable to us (and to anyone else) - it is destructive nationalism leading to the abyss. This is exactly what is happening in Ukraine now.
                        Nazism is worse. But he does not approach Ukraine, since there is anti-Semitism in it.

                        And who told you that the defining feature of Nazism is anti-Semitism? Is anti-Slavism not Nazism? And Russophobia, which blooms in a riotous color.
                        Odessa? People burned on a national basis?

                        People were burned on the grounds of rejection of the fascist, neo-Nazi, Russophobian regime.
                      4. The leader of the Redskins
                        The leader of the Redskins 22 June 2020 22: 40
                        -3
                        You, apparently, are too lazy to google and read Hu from Hu. So you issue your definitions and draws them to what is convenient for you. Google it, and then start the argument.
                      5. DVR
                        DVR 22 June 2020 22: 59
                        0
                        You, apparently, are too lazy to google and read Hu from Hu. So you issue your definitions and draws them to what is convenient for you.

                        You just confirmed what has been known for a long time, Redskin. Not a single meaningful answer, "google" and "Hu from Hu" - all you can? I issue rulings on the facts executed in Ukraine (I’m not taking Donbass, where everything was much worse), but you cannot say anything against it. The owner does not order, you are here "zero" already, except for your "brothers" wink
                      6. The leader of the Redskins
                        The leader of the Redskins 22 June 2020 23: 04
                        -4
                        Yes, yes ... A crucified boy, a girl foamed with foam concrete, acted out exterminated .... I heard this from the television screens of our channels.
                        And in January he was in Kiev with his father and admired the niggas on the mountain ash, spoke Russian, listened to Russian speech in response. Do not write me anymore. You are not interested ....
              3. Motorist
                Motorist 22 June 2020 23: 36
                -4
                Quote: DVR
                I wrote here on the 15th

                DVR, welcome, glad to "see" you! hi Yesterday I remembered your comment about 2x2 = 4 (threw up the pluses). Something else you are in the rank - badly minus?
              4. DVR
                DVR 23 June 2020 07: 28
                +2
                DVR, welcome, glad to "see" you!

                Mutually, Motorist, glad to "hear")
                Something else you are in the rank - badly minus?

                Alas, opportunities do not always coincide with desires. The first time this week on the site - hands do not reach. But here you chase pseudo-patriots well enough, since they are not so smart and are fired at once. Occasionally I will visit hi
  • Boris55
    Boris55 22 June 2020 10: 51
    -21 qualifying.
    Quote: blackice
    Let me ask you what betrays a liberal in a person?

    Here is a photo:



    Well, just a wonderful photo! They, the collapsed union, who wrote the current Constitution under the dictation of the State Department, do not want to change anything. Everything suits them. What about us? Do we still want to see Chubaisik and Gaidar men in power?

    Regarding the inscription on the poster: "only for one term."
    There is a good proverb: "If you want to ruin the business, change the leader more often. If you want to ruin the country, change the president more often." These popular proverbs reflect the true purpose of their demands - Russia must remain a raw material appendage. Russia must fall apart and become the second Africa ...

    Today is the beginning of the Second World War. As then our grandfathers defended our independence from the West, so today we must defend the independence of our Motherland from the same West. Let's rebuff the ideological enemy. Let's vote for the immediate entry into force of the "Law on amendments to the Constitution"!
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 22 June 2020 11: 32
      15
      Boris in his repertoire .. For 20 years they did not save Russia with the old constitution, but then the savior decided to save .. he saw his sight, so to speak .. suddenly ..
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 22 June 2020 11: 50
        -9
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        20 years did not save Russia with the old constitution

        That wasn’t before. The country was falling apart, what is the Constitution ...

        "Take as much sovereignty as you can", Far Eastern Republic. Lebed: "There is no land for us beyond the Urals", Rossel has already published the Ural francs, the Caucasus, Tataria, Bashkiria, "Enough to feed Moscow" ...

        The time has come to change the Constitution.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 22 June 2020 12: 00
          16
          You talk about 25-30 years ago, and in 2008-2010 why was there no question of change? It's 10 years, a lot of it .. And everything was already pretty good compared to 1995-6 .. Why in 2007, Putin himself said that he would not change the Constitution, regarding the election of the President, but now he says the opposite?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 22 June 2020 12: 23
            -19 qualifying.
            Quote: 2 level advisor
            ... and in 2008-2010 why there was no question of change?

            And who was in power at that time? That's right - Medvedev, who was given an iPhone, he and he lost to the end of the term ...
            We have recently gained food security and restored military power.

            To radically change the Constitution, we need a "Law on the Constitutional Assembly". The State Duma elected under the current Constitution tried to pass this law four times, but did not. That is why Putin is changing the Constitution in order to qualitatively change the composition of the Duma and begin a radical reform of the Constitution for the benefit of the people.

            Only independent Russia will be able to ensure the prosperity of the country and its citizens.

            Who likes Russia to remain a raw materials appendage of the West, you can stay at home.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 22 June 2020 21: 22
              +5
              Boris55 (Boris): There is a good proverb: "If you want to ruin the business, change your leader more often. If you want to ruin the country, change the president more often."

              The country - the USA refutes this proverb, there they regularly change presidents and do not touch the constitution at all, and the result is the most powerful country with a standard of living higher than ours.
        2. Oleg Skvortsov
          Oleg Skvortsov 22 June 2020 16: 53
          +8
          Boris You are a member of the Nodov Fedor sect - one and the same mantra - word for word on all resources. And the manuals of Uncle Fedor do not change from year to year. Riding one wave with him and milking it slowly
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 22 June 2020 11: 43
      10
      Let's vote for the immediate entry into force of the "Law on amendments to the Constitution"!
      Why are we sitting, who are we waiting for? Have you voted for the amendments? Can you tell me why he was satisfied with the ETA constitution for 20 years, and when all the tricks came out, he decided to fix it up?
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 22 June 2020 21: 25
        +4
        He wants to sit on the throne as long as possible, preferably until the end of his life, otherwise there is a danger that he will be "attracted", he does not trust anyone, but Yeltsin believed him and handed him the throne.
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 23 June 2020 10: 34
          -2
          but Yeltsin believed him and handed the throne. ,,
          He (Yeltsin) simply knew that he could trust him.
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 22 June 2020 11: 50
      10
      Quote: Boris55
      Today is the beginning of the Second World War. As then our grandfathers defended our independence from the West, so today we must defend the independence of our Motherland from the same West. Let's rebuff the ideological enemy. Let's vote for the immediate entry into force of the "Law on amendments to the Constitution"!

      Who are we fighting with ?! With buggers ?! wassat
      1. mark1
        mark1 22 June 2020 15: 45
        +3
        And they are around
    4. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 22 June 2020 12: 08
      17
      Quote: Boris55
      They, the collapsed union, who wrote the current Constitution under the dictation of the State Department, do not want to change anything.

      In fact, Mr. Putin in August 1991 carried the tail of a dog. And sobchak ... And sobchak is one of the most active participants in the collapse of the USSR. So Mr. Guarantor took an active part in the process of destroying the country. And just because he was a petty bipod he didn’t get into chambers for a couple with always sober .. But you do not blame Putin for the collapse of the country. So what?
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 12: 25
        -14 qualifying.
        At one time, Comrade Stalin walked in an embrace with Comrade Trotsky. What does it mean? But that doesn’t mean anything.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 22 June 2020 12: 33
          18
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          At one time, Comrade Stalin walked in an embrace with Comrade Trotsky. What does it mean? But that doesn’t mean anything.

          It means everything. The ITT hugged Trotsky when the common enemy was destroyed. After that, the hugs stopped abruptly. If we draw this analogy, then who Putin and Sobchak was a common enemy? Praaavilno. THE USSR. What are we talking about.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 22 June 2020 12: 30
        -16 qualifying.
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        In fact, Mr. Putin in August 1991 carried the tail of a dog.

        Do you blame Putin for the collapse of the USSR? wassat

        How do you think Putin could have infiltrated the Family clan? Came all like this in a leather jacket, with a revolver in a holster and started building everyone? laughing

        After Putin started the second Chechen war, Yeltsin's daughter exclaimed: "Oh, we chose the wrong one." They realized that Putin would not let the country fall apart ...
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 22 June 2020 12: 39
          18
          Quote: Boris55
          How do you think Putin could have infiltrated the Family clan?

          Laponka. In 1990, the office was quite in good shape. But the clan did not yet exist, as such. He gained real strength after the collapse. And if you would like to dig up the Putin’s of various ranks ... Although they would have quietly dug in a forest, they would have moved to the camera, even if they were a tank on the Arbat, 10 times .. But they had other dreams, at that time. About life in the West, and not at the level of a simple hard worker. So all evil spirits rushed, who came to the KGB for a crust and goods, to serve the dogs and other meadow animals.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 22 June 2020 13: 02
            -16 qualifying.
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            So all the evil spirits that came to the KGB for crust and benefits

            State security and the foreign intelligence service are several different departments. SVR - beat the CIA. And by the way, such as Putin was not alone. We are fortunate to have such a leader.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 22 June 2020 13: 25
              19
              Quote: Boris55
              State security and the foreign intelligence service are several different departments.

              Laponka. So, for information. There was no SVR in the USSR. It was the 1st KGB department.
              Quote: Boris55
              SVR - beat the CIA.

              Well, yes, yes. The United States fell apart into different Arizona and Texas, and the USSR was intact.
              Quote: Boris55
              We are fortunate to have such a leader.

              You? Maybe. But Russia is not very. If the Union were so lucky in the 30s that instead of a temporary detention center there would be something pathogenic, preoccupied not with factories and power plants, but with yachts and palaces for members of the Central Committee .... You would now clean the pig-house for the right Aryan pigs. If at all existed.
              Only the Rotenberg brothers, without a shaggy paw, unable to do anything more than rags at the level of the shuttle of the middle hand, cost the country a squadron of a dozen frigates. Only 2 buddies .... With such luck, failure is not necessary.
            2. alone
              alone 22 June 2020 13: 43
              18
              Quote: Boris55
              We are fortunate to have such a leader.

              Is Volodin himself hiding under the nickname Boris 55? wassat wassat Your phrases hurt like Volodin’s nonsense
    5. snake
      snake 22 June 2020 13: 00
      16
      Quote: Boris55
      Do we still want to see Chubaisik and Gaidar men in power?

      And the authorities are violet who "you" want to see and who do not want. Chubais sat and sits for himself. And while he sits where he sits, and not where he deserves, any talk about some "liberals" with placards is a concussion of the air, nothing more.
      Quote: Boris55
      There is a good proverb: "If you want to ruin your business, change your leader more often. If you want to ruin the country, change the president more often."

      Himself came up with something? Here is a proverb:
      Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. (C)
      Quote: Boris55
      Today is the beginning of the Second World War. As then our grandfathers defended our independence from the West, so today we must defend the independence of our Motherland from the same West. Let's rebuff the ideological enemy. Let's vote for the immediate entry into force of the "Law on amendments to the Constitution"!

      Not today, but 79 years ago. Zaputintsy in their frenzy see no boundaries in time. They mentally “fight” everything, “repeat” everything ... They sucked like leeches to the achievements of their fathers / grandfathers and do not know how to restrain ...
  • Freeman
    Freeman 22 June 2020 16: 42
    0
    Quote: bober1982
    Quote: blackice
    Let me ask you what betrays a liberal in a person?

    Who are these comrades, proletarians? They have imprinted on their faces.

    Honestly, "Comrade Karjakin" of you is "not very" No.
    / sarcasm /
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 22 June 2020 12: 06
    -11 qualifying.
    And somewhere, Rashkin from the Communist Party with a flag on duty with a cam that he and Bolotnoy drags ...
    And with them are the sectarians of the "invisible hand of the market" who did not fit into the market and Western investments wassat
  • alekSASHKA-36
    alekSASHKA-36 22 June 2020 12: 17
    11
    Putin himself is a liberal.
  • DPN
    DPN 22 June 2020 10: 16
    +7
    What is strange ??? I gave the word, I rightfully took the strong.
  • To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 22 June 2020 10: 24
    -18 qualifying.
    Stolypin: “They need great shocks, we need a great Russia”

    "And finally, I want to ask those readers who want to vote against the amendments to the 1993 Constitution:

    "Do you still want to stand side by side with these" agitators "?

    Or will you finally understand that an information war has been unleashed against the country, which will ultimately lead to only one thing: a change of power in Russia and its subordination to the world hegemon - the United States? You call yourself "patriots", but you stand on the same side with these insignificant people whom I showed you. What kind of patriots are you if you help these people destroy the country under beautiful slogans?

    You will not see any improvement in life in the country, or socialism, or a new Constitution, or even amendments to this one for the second time. Another US puppet will be brought to power with the help of the same information technologies, with the help of which thoughts are now being hammered into your head about the illegality of adopting amendments, the idea that everything is being thought only for the sake of zeroing Putin's terms, thoughts that you should vote for each amendment separately, they scare you with various negative consequences and look for something in the amendments that is not there, so that you can vote against emotionally. And how does the United States know how to bring its puppets to power ...... "
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/provinciya/predstavliaiu-vam-agitatorov-kotorye-prizyvaiut-golosovat-protiv-popravok-v-konstituciiu-5ee3f756d8a44554805017ff
    ..see who is against the amendments and turn on the brain
    1.Capitalism in Russia cannot be canceled tomorrow ..
    2. In Russia there is no other force that could take over the governance of the country Just do not make laugh with the Communist Party and its nominees
    3. The very fact of discussing amendments and allowing them to be criticized speaks volumes.
    4. Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe considers it possible to amend the country's constitution before the expiration of his powers in September 2021. And this is only the beginning
    1. blackice
      blackice 22 June 2020 10: 46
      16
      How many amendments have been made to improve the lives of ordinary people and how many amendments have been made to consolidate the power of ONE SPECIFIC person?
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 22 June 2020 12: 10
        14
        Quote: blackice
        How many amendments have been made to improve the lives of ordinary people

        None. For, if necessary, they are all leveled at the level of laws, decrees and other decrees.
      2. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 22 June 2020 16: 10
        -9
        "Glyupiy ryussky! Nicht vote! Don't walk, stay at home" - already with humor ..
        "Glyupy Ryssky! Mi, wish you only goodness to the world community, open your eyes to you! Twist the translator, something is not right ... oh, here. Open your eyes!"

        Understand, stupid Russians: voting for the Constitution as a whole is wrong and criminal! Vote only for those items that you like and which you don't like - reject indignantly! Only in this way will you build freedom and democracy on the ruins of your country (we will ensure the ruins for you, it will be such humanitarian aid from us), therefore we vote only “NO” and wait for another vote - on separate points! ..

        ........ At each point where the state owes you, you will absolutely answer “YES”.

        At every point in which you owe the state, your categorical "NO" will flaunt, and three times underlined ... "(Sergey Vasiliev
        See at the root Today 09:23) https://cont.ws/@sevariga/1708467
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 22 June 2020 10: 47
      +2
      Quote: To be or not to be
      "Do you still want to stand side by side with these" agitators "?

      Believe me, try that many are not just standing there and that’s why
      Quote: To be or not to be
      that an information war has been unleashed against the country, which in the end will lead only to one thing: to a change of power in Russia and its subordination to the world hegemon - the United States?

      Those who are against the ranks are not homogeneous in their aspirations, this is true, but those who stand for what the "patriots" love to write about are VERY NOT MUCH, their minuscule, in comparison with those who are primarily for our country and wishes that we ourselves would build OUR life, better than now ...
      Yes, most of these people do not have their hopes in the current government, because ... in short, there is no faith in them, and certainly not at the direction of .... themselves, we have come to this.
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 22 June 2020 10: 56
        -18 qualifying.
        1. Russia entered a new stage of development ..
        2. There was an answer from the united west, threatening the national security of the country. A brazen informational and psychological warfare is waging against Russia. Military groups around its borders are being strengthened and exercises and intelligence activities are increasing
        Recent presidential statements show a lot:
        -7 Mar 2018 - Putin: "Why do we need such a world if there is no Russia"?
        -President Vladimir Putin approved on June 2, 2020, "The Foundations of the State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence"
        Such at this level is not born from scratch
        3 The world is at a crossroads .. and gradually goes to chaos and a global crisis
        The US World Hegemon is no longer coping with its role. What can this lead to? to the collapse of the financial system. to the collapse of the world security system To the collapse of the economies of leading countries?

        4. Economic conditions appeared in Russia to support the social issues of the population. About this and in the amendments to the Constitution
        Just a moment of truth - “to be or not to be”
        5 About zeroing - not in the GDP matter A hurt for the future. There is nothing eternal in the world
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 22 June 2020 11: 39
          +9
          Quote: To be or not to be
          . Russia entered a new stage of development ..

          It is possible in more detail, in what, at what stage and when?
          Quote: To be or not to be
          Recent presidential statements show a lot:

          What do they testify to? Are you looking for something that is not? I see in them only a reminder that we can "bang"
          Quote: To be or not to be
          to the collapse of the financial system

          For about 30 years everything "is about to collapse", but still nothing (by the way, what does the Constitution have to do with it?)
          Quote: To be or not to be
          Economic conditions appeared in Russia to support social issues

          In more detail, what kind of economic conditions suddenly appeared for this, compared with, for example, 10 years ago?
          Quote: To be or not to be
          About zeroing - not in GDP

          But in whom, if the words about the incumbent President at the time of the adoption of the Constitution for which the deadlines are not considered past - exclusively and only about him?
        2. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 22 June 2020 12: 17
          16
          Quote: To be or not to be
          4. Economic conditions appeared in Russia to support the social issues of the population. About this and in the amendments to the Constitution

          Laponka. The country has 20 million beggars. These are those who live below the subsistence level. To reduce this number by half or three, there is no need for any constitutional amendments. Enough to increase the size of the minimum wage. Who is stopping this from happening? State Department? Evil neighbors from Ukraine? The terrorists? Curve and bad constitution? If for me, then not the above, but the appetites of the Sechins, Timchen women and other guarantor friends. And neither the constitution nor the laws work against this kodla.
          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 22 June 2020 13: 21
            -6
            Kisonka ... You bring the UN poverty alleviation program. There’s even better statistics And why is it from human madness .. There are a lot of problems on earth. And mankind is playing war
    3. AA17
      AA17 22 June 2020 11: 11
      20
      Dear, To be or not to be. This vote is not only about amendments to the Constitution of Russia. This is a vote of confidence in the President.
      In Russia, and not only in Russia, they have never trusted a person who does not keep his word. He was always considered an unreliable person. Why, in politics, we should trust a person who is not “master” of his word: “... Therefore, under no circumstances do I intend to change the Constitution” (2005), “… I am against increasing the retirement age. no such decision will be made ”(2005).,“ ... this is the creation of about 25 million new jobs, its implementation is already on the march ... ”(2013).
      Maybe in his environment he is a man of his word, but then there was no need to address these words to the Citizens of Russia. As the proverb says: "The word is not a sparrow, you will not catch a flight."
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 22 June 2020 11: 33
        -12 qualifying.
        Only the blind did not see and the deaf did not hear how the situation changed .. For each specific situation for a certain time Azi’s own approach .. it’s a pity that many do not understand
        1. AA17
          AA17 22 June 2020 12: 15
          13
          How will you look with your family, among friends, if the children once promised to go to the zoo and did not fulfill their promise, referring to being busy, and so three times in a row? And they promised to help a friend with car repairs and did not fulfill their promises, and so on three times in a row? I think neither your family nor your friends will believe you anymore, even if you tell them that "... Each specific situation has its own approach for a certain period of time ..."
        2. SVD68
          SVD68 22 June 2020 13: 23
          11
          Quote: To be or not to be
          Only the blind did not see and the deaf did not hear how the situation changed .. For each specific situation for a certain time Azi’s own approach .. it’s a pity that many do not understand

          This means that there was no one to rob and decided to rob people in retirement for 5 years?
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 22 June 2020 17: 24
            +9
            Quote: SVD68
            Quote: To be or not to be
            Only the blind did not see and the deaf did not hear how the situation changed .. For each specific situation for a certain time Azi’s own approach .. it’s a pity that many do not understand

            This means that there was no one to rob and decided to rob people in retirement for 5 years?

            Back in 2009, then Deputy Prime Minister S. Ivanov, issued his "historical" phrase
            - "People are our second oil."
            In the conditions of the carbohydrate market crisis, intensive "development" of this resource began.
      2. Gennady Bogdanovich
        Gennady Bogdanovich 22 June 2020 12: 09
        13
        Quote: AA17
        This is a vote of confidence in the President.

        That's right for trusting President Putin.
        To Putin, who, as a KGB officer, vowed to defend the homeland of the USSR to the last drop of blood, and before the battle he went over to the shitty dogs sobchaks and Co.
        The communist Putin, who was a communist, was hanging stars for epaulettes for this. And they gave special rations
        Putin, who, along with Yeltsin, gave away the largest enterprises of Russia to friends of the oligarchs,
        Putin, who swore to voters not to raise their retirement age,
        Putin who brought Russia that she became an outcast country and quarreled with all neighbors.
        Putin whose enemies of Russia are friends and partners.
        I vote for confidence in the President, only he should have a different surname.
    4. Gennady Bogdanovich
      Gennady Bogdanovich 22 June 2020 12: 27
      13
      Quote: To be or not to be
      Capitalism in Russia cannot be canceled tomorrow ..

      And do not cancel. Let private owners engage in public services, retail, consumer goods, and food.
      But the criminal privatization of 1996-2000 must be abolished, strategic sectors should be returned to state ownership. For the period of using the property, collect from the oligarchs a rent in the amount of percent of the turnover at world prices.
      I am sure the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Prosecutor's Office, the FSB will perfectly cope with this task.
      There are only 200 billionaires, I think they will find a place in the Russian pre-trial detention center
  • unaha
    unaha 22 June 2020 10: 24
    11
    Another current survey
  • Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 22 June 2020 10: 26
    21
    It seems to me that our government is preparing some kind of just a masterpiece gift to us. Something before which pension reform will simply fade. But for this, the whole world really needs to show that we all, more precisely, 70%, support what is happening.

    Not necessary. Maybe it just touched the future. After all, while there is at least some rating, you need to act. Then it may not be enough.
    In general, Putin's mistake is that he missed the moment of the maximum "patriotic" mood of the population.
    It would seem that if he had rolled out such an initiative in 2015, all the talk about the illegitimacy of the train tickets would have come to naught. Just imagine: 15 years, Crimea, import substitution, dedolarization, the next stage of getting up from their knees, millions of Russians ready to bury America and Europe, and here are amendments to ban gays, bills and citizenship, about patriotism, about Gd, about the Russian people and even about protection of animals. What is there to think about? Of course vote "for".

    Now the moment is clearly missed. There are fewer and fewer people willing to believe in a cunning plan; the patriotic rise from Crimea is dying away. There are no jerks and breakthroughs. There is still no time for buildup. And America still will not fall apart.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 22 June 2020 10: 49
      15
      In general, Putin's mistake is that he missed the moment of the maximum "patriotic" mood of the population.

      There is such a thing ... especially when the struggle of the LDNR republics for their survival began ... after the purge of the well-known LDNR commanders, I got a lot of distrust towards the Kremlin representatives.
      And how could one allow the Bandera regime to come to power in Ukraine ... and even recognize its legitimacy ... here the Kremlin struck itself.
  • BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 22 June 2020 10: 28
    +7
    That's for sure.
    That is, absolutely nothing in the life of the country will not change.

    And amendments are like soup. If something "inedible" gets into it, then it is already spoiled soup, no matter how tasty it is. So from the amendments. It seems that there is something sane, but among this there is something that you categorically reject. So I will go and bet against
  • Tatyana Pershina
    Tatyana Pershina 22 June 2020 10: 30
    -9
    What can I say about Sakhalin.
    The island has normal weather ...

    And so I want to bring in if not a storm, then at least a breeze stronger. Do not wait!
  • Dym71
    Dym71 22 June 2020 10: 35
    +2
    The argument that “there is no one else” let's leave too, there are 146 million in the country, and there you can not find another honest and intelligent person?

    Why leave? It is even possible to exchange opinions, why there is "no one else" and whose jamb is this? wink
  • Van 16
    Van 16 22 June 2020 10: 37
    +9
    There are many questions, the answer is most likely one - Putin really wants to continue to stand at the helm. The main thing is to reset to zero, everything else is a smoke screen.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 22 June 2020 10: 39
    +4
    But why so disrespectful neglect? Who said that a Russian citizen is not able to appreciate the importance of certain amendments?

    This is reality, power, even conditionally, not for EVERYONE in any way!
    For her, her / friends of power, most importantly .... enemies, these are enemies, where everyone is written, who is not for her.
    And no middle ground, those who are behind the MOTHERLAND in body and soul, but have no confidence in this government ... WHERE ARE THERE ???
    I agree that those who are for the country, the people, and not for these upper, very, very different! But there are VERY MANY of them and just like that they will not be thrown over the side of life!
  • AleBors
    AleBors 22 June 2020 10: 44
    +9
    I agree with the author. The authorities have prepared some kind of big kerdyk. All rituals about "the need to vote" are appeals to support the authorities. I don’t know how, I don’t participate in this show. In general, 1991 I do not participate in such events. And I can’t trust a person who doesn’t answer for his words.
  • Doctor
    Doctor 22 June 2020 10: 46
    +4
    But why so disrespectful neglect? Who said that a Russian citizen is not able to appreciate the importance of certain amendments?

    Experience. Analysis. If you already swallowed the pension, then there will be no problems.
    Such a people, no one will evaluate, they will go and say yes.
  • Doctor
    Doctor 22 June 2020 10: 51
    +3
    And here I have this very question: who to believe? To the one who stated this in past years, or to the one who today says that without changing the Constitution, the country will simply fall apart?

    This question arises in 10% of the politically active population, who reads forums and knows what was said in previous years.
    The crowd - on the drum, they will go and say - yes. THERE know this and do not worry. On the unexpected - there are fallback options.
    Battle planning.
  • Doctor
    Doctor 22 June 2020 10: 54
    -4
    Well, where is such a rush from?

    The world is not what it seems. The crowd sees the tip of the iceberg. In about 30 years we’ll find out.
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 June 2020 11: 17
      +3
      The world is not what it is seen from "TV". If "everything is clear" to you, then "TV" wins.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 22 June 2020 11: 22
        +1
        The world is not what it is seen from "TV". If "everything is clear" to you, then "TV" wins.

        It’s not clear to me, there is no tolerance. But I know, if the stars are lit, then someone needs this.
        Putin is not fussy, if in a hurry, there is a reason.
      2. Gennady Bogdanovich
        Gennady Bogdanovich 22 June 2020 11: 59
        0
        Quote: iouris
        If "everything is clear to you," then "TV" wins.

        There are two main parties in Russia
        Zombie Party
        Refrigerator batch
        1. iouris
          iouris 22 June 2020 22: 30
          0
          There is always only one real game. It can have two factions. Everything else - "third parties" (sturgeon of the second grade).
  • Alex66
    Alex66 22 June 2020 10: 56
    -3
    Given the creation of a single digital base of Russian citizens, there should be further digital documents, digital money, a digital government (anonymized without a full name), and the stigmatization of slaves, the rest as expenses.
  • Boratsagdiev
    Boratsagdiev 22 June 2020 10: 56
    +9
    By law, there are "elections" and "referendum".
    And there is no such thing as "popular vote".
    What is that?
    And well people are diverted from the topic (in the first picture) by creating such "passages".
    It is necessary to change the system, not power.
    Power is pawns.
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 June 2020 11: 16
      +2
      How do you combine the concepts of "people" and "political struggle"?
      Everything real is rational, everything rational is real. The system exists while it is able to exist.
      1. Boratsagdiev
        Boratsagdiev 22 June 2020 13: 35
        +1
        You bent as much as the brain nearly exploded.
        So are you "for the red or for the white?")))
        1. iouris
          iouris 22 June 2020 22: 00
          0
          "For Russia, for the tsar and for the ve-e-ru! (Although there is already nothing)."
          1. Boratsagdiev
            Boratsagdiev 23 June 2020 21: 39
            -2
            So an idolater)
    2. iouris
      iouris 22 June 2020 22: 34
      0
      The word "power" in the Russian Federation is of the same order as "democracy", "liberals", "oligarchs", "commies" ... It seems that everyone understands everything, but these are all labels. As Andropov once said: "We do not know the society in which we live."
      1. Boratsagdiev
        Boratsagdiev 23 June 2020 21: 41
        -1
        Is "There" everything different? ...
        and the sky is bluer and the foliage greener ... and democracy is more democratic ...
        eh ... just the same paradise on earth.
  • Threaded screw
    Threaded screw 22 June 2020 11: 02
    +6
    You can already vote once, so as not to vote in general, why do we need this circus? Everyone understands that this is just a circus.
  • iouris
    iouris 22 June 2020 11: 12
    -1
    "Where? Why"? The author has shown that he is still capable of posing many questions. It is required to demonstrate the adequacy of one's vision of the picture of the world, to reveal the sources of information, the ability to analyze it and formulate tasks. There will be what will be. And what will happen, we'll see. In my time.
    1. Gennady Bogdanovich
      Gennady Bogdanovich 22 June 2020 11: 57
      +7
      See when the gates of the concentration camp shut behind you
      1. iouris
        iouris 22 June 2020 12: 40
        -5
        Well, wait.
        With a beer.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 22 June 2020 11: 38
    -8
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    Yes, I was also surprised by such pressure from coffee grinders, irons, fences and garages, which also became agitators for voting on the package of amendments

    1. We vote not for amendments, but for the entry, or not entry, of the adopted Amendment Law into force. Link to the Law: http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/news/62988

    2. Why did you decide that anyone can do propaganda, but not the authorities of the country? If you haven’t noticed Medvedev is already gone. Clintanoid power in Russia is coming to an end. Get used to the new realities.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 22 June 2020 13: 20
      +7
      Original law. For one day. Completely contrary
      Federal Law of 04.03.1998/33/08.03.2015 N XNUMX-FZ (as amended on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX) "On the procedure for the adoption and entry into force of amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation" and the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Does not cancel a single article of the existing law.
  • akunin
    akunin 22 June 2020 11: 43
    +4
    LGBT legions
    to the author-offset (neighing, as he presented - everything in rainbow armor with peaks by an edge) laughing
    1. DVR
      DVR 22 June 2020 19: 22
      -5
      to the author-offset (neighing, as he presented - everything in rainbow armor with peaks by an edge)

      Do you think that these are not links of the same chain together with liberals and pseudo-patriots? Do not face the whole, and not feed from one feeder? The flag of pedestrians and others on the symbol of the Motherland and the symbol of Victory - is this normal for you? Does this act of dehumanization amuse you? Then I have no questions.


      Laugh, rejoice still :)
      1. akunin
        akunin 23 June 2020 16: 29
        0
        Quote: DVR
        Laugh, rejoice still :)

        well, unlike you, I don’t see rainbow flags around me (neither in the city, nor in the house), our people live so simple that they burned an eatery where the rainbow gathered. his idea of ​​the motherland, and if Ridna Nenka - Ukraine with a rainbow flag means clearly whom this motherland has bred.
        1. DVR
          DVR 24 June 2020 08: 11
          +2
          Well, unlike you, I don’t see rainbow flags around me (neither in the city, nor in the house), our people live so simple that they burned an eatery where the rainbow gathered.

          Can you justify your "well, unlike you"? I said this somewhere? Fortunately, we do not have them, but you so want it, because it amuses you. Or being rude - your only argument in the discussion, there are no others. To be honest, I don’t support the burning of eateries where the "rainbows" gather. The main thing is that homosexuals do not promote (propagandize) themselves, do not impose their perversions on children, which, fortunately, we have taken care of at the legislative level.
          You were amused by the statement of the author of the article: "We will simply be wiped off the face of the earth by legions of LGBT people, liberals and even who knows who else ...", you neigh.
          And in Ukraine, too, something like that 6 years ago, before the well-known events, was impossible, and no one could have imagined about it. There people are 90% the same as we are, except for the "ragul zapadensky". Hence the legitimate questions that I asked you:
          Do you think that these are not links of the same chain together with liberals and pseudo-patriots? Do not face the whole, and not feed from one feeder?

          Why is this possible after the Maidan, and no one is responsible for these blasphemous performances? The answer is obvious - these "legions of homosexuals" and "activists" are from the same team. And many of them belong to both categories at the same time. Here is an example of a valiant pederast legionnaire, commander of the Shakhtersk battalion (uncensored):
          https://vk.com/video101241168_170209535
          So to the question of the author of the article:
          Explain to us then that the legions of buggers are already on the border?

          it is safe to say that yes, the legions of "these very" really stand on the borders.
          Kiev has its own idea of ​​the homeland, and if Ridna is Nenka, Ukraine with a rainbow flag clearly means whom this homeland has bred.

          You are ready to mix Ukraine and its inhabitants with shit, just to get away from discussing the essence of things. For the sake of a "catch phrase" you write nonsense, but yourself, it is clear that from these same.
          If you have such an understanding of what is happening, then there’s nothing to talk about with you.
          1. akunin
            akunin 25 June 2020 15: 17
            +1
            Quote: DVR
            Or being rude is your only argument in the discussion; there are no others.

            if
            I don’t see rainbow flags around me
            , then they do not scare me, I don’t believe in the "blue" legions on our border (not milons) for this to him

            Are you ready to mix Ukraine and its inhabitants with shit
            - I’m not ready, but someone climbed and the flag is not small and nobody interfered (the statue is high),
            except for the "ragul zapadensky".
            I strongly doubt that such an action will take place in Lviv.
            but themselves, it is clear that of these.
            .you are a big-eyed deductor - a proctologist (I sit high - I look far away)? a sex therapist, a deep connoisseur of human nature (about "being rude")? the text must be read correctly:
            I don’t see rainbow flags around me (neither in the city, nor in the house)
            and that’s why they don’t bother me, you probably see and bother me. If you turn to personalities, then carefully select the words - life will be calmer.
            1. DVR
              DVR 26 June 2020 07: 32
              0
              Quote: DVR Or being rude is your only argument in the discussion, there are no others.
              if I don’t see rainbow flags around me, then they don’t scare me, I don’t believe in the "blue" legions on our border (not milons) for this you are ready to mix Ukraine and its inhabitants with shit
              - not ready, but after all someone climbed and the flag is not small and no one interfered (the statue is tall), except for the "ragul zapadensky". I strongly doubt that such an action will work in Lviv. but themselves, it is clear that from these same. .you are a big-eyed deductor - a proctologist (I sit high - I look far away)? a sex therapist, a deep connoisseur of human nature (at the expense of "being rude")? the text must be read correctly: I do not see rainbow flags around me (neither in the city, nor in the house) and that's why they don't bother me, you probably see and stress you. if you go personal, then choose your words carefully - life will be calmer.

              Edik, you burst out, why this lexical diarrhea? Apparently, it happens involuntarily, "deductor" laughing
              1. akunin
                akunin 26 June 2020 08: 39
                0
                trolling is rather weak, if the "deductor" (deduction) is not clear. At the expense of the logo (the logo is always not arbitrary), then the text you quoted consists of a third of your quotes. afraid that
                these "legions of buggers
                will rush to your apartment hi
                1. DVR
                  DVR 28 June 2020 12: 26
                  +1
                  trolling is rather weak, if the "deductor" (deduction) is not clear. At the expense of the logo (the logo is always not arbitrary), then the text you quoted consists of a third of your quotes. afraid that

                  Well, yes, and you are a master of trolling :) On the topic of homosexuality - I am not interested, I do not know such authors.
                  1. akunin
                    akunin 29 June 2020 08: 46
                    0
                    Quote: DVR
                    On the topic of homosexuality - I am not interested, I do not know such authors.

                    ignorance does not honor you.

                    William Howell Masters (December 27, 1915 - February 16, 2001) is an American gynecologist and sexologist, best known as a researcher of the human sexual cycle and senior in the duo of the scientists Masters - Johnson
                    Virginia Johnson (born February 11, 1925 - July 24, 2013) is an American sex scientist, best known as a researcher in the duo Masters - Johnson, who studied sexuality between 1960 and 1990.
                    1. DVR
                      DVR 29 June 2020 09: 04
                      +1
                      William Howell Masters (December 27, 1915 - February 16, 2001) is an American gynecologist and sexologist, best known as a researcher of the human sexual cycle and senior in the duo of the scientists Masters - Johnson
                      Virginia Johnson (born February 11, 1925 - July 24, 2013) is an American sex scientist, best known as a researcher in the duo Masters - Johnson, who studied sexuality between 1960 and 1990.

                      Ignorance of such characters is already considered ignorance? Well, maybe in your circles this is so, I'm not surprised. Enlighten further in the same spirit.
                      1. akunin
                        akunin 30 June 2020 08: 32
                        0
                        Quote: DVR
                        Ignorance of such characters is already considered ignorance? Well, maybe in your circles this is so, I'm not surprised. Enlighten further in the same spirit.

                        in our circles it’s ignorance, I’ll definitely be enlightened,

                        and you continue to wait in the dugout for the attack of the "blue" division - do not oversleep, otherwise you will miss the "pratsivnyh".
                      2. DVR
                        DVR 30 June 2020 12: 32
                        +1
                        and you continue to wait in the dugout for the attack of the "blue" division - do not oversleep, otherwise you will miss the "pratsivnyh".

                        It is not necessary to climb into the dugout, but I also think it is unfounded to close our eyes to the tendencies so vehemently defended and promoted by our geopolitical "partners".
                        The discussion began against the backdrop of a pride marked in June, in honor of which two embassies in Moscow had already posted rainbow flags.
                        Representatives of the diplomatic missions of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States recognize the inherent dignity inherent in every human person, as enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, according to a published appeal by the Five Eye Partnership countries. Its authors urge the Russian government to fulfill its obligations to protect the rights of all citizens, including lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgender people and intersex people. The appeal emphasizes that any form of discrimination, including sexual orientation and gender identity, is completely unacceptable. The ambassadors recalled that human rights are universal and must be protected by law.

                        Already squeak, and yet the rights are in no way violated. And it’s normal for you when Western uncles teach us how to love Sodomites and others. There are huge political and financial resources behind LGBT people, and nothing beyond your commitment to the traditional values ​​of some of our elite, including GDP.
                        LGBT people - this is not only sodomites, the legalization of pedophilia, bestiality and other crap - a question in the near future in the West. In fact, and so everything is flourishing, only at the official level it is not fixed. It may happen that tomorrow, according to the laws of the Russian Federation, they will force you to love sodomites, and fine you for attacks on pedophiles, and you won’t do anything. Fortunately, so far the reverse trend. Feminism, LGBT, pseudo-organizations, Natsiks, liberals, juveniles, .. - links of one chain, which is used to destroy the traditional state and promote globalization. All are fed from one trough. The horses have already jumped - they are eating a full spoon with the whole palette. Only a fool or a person who supports it can overlook all this. And you can sleep and laugh, enlightened from certain circles.
                      3. akunin
                        akunin 2 July 2020 08: 13
                        0
                        Quote: DVR
                        and do nothing


                        we’ll do it and no one will interfere.
                        two embassies in Moscow have already posted rainbow flags.

                        even taking into account the fact that the vote behind (amendments adopted) the territory of embassies is a sovereign territory (how can our constitution prohibit any flag from hanging in the territory of another state?)
                        legalization of pedophilia
                        Our pedophiles, as a rule, do not survive to trial, and if convicted, they do not live in the zone for a long time (what kind of legalization can we talk about?)
                      4. DVR
                        DVR 2 July 2020 08: 36
                        +1
                        we’ll do it and no one will interfere.

                        You won’t do anything if the elites want it. Absolutely. Sit behind bars, pay a fine - the maximum that will work out.
                        Not so long ago, even homosexuality was prosecuted in Europe and the USA. I briefly outlined today's picture for you. It all works differently. And what
                        while we do not have this in such numbers - this is the result of the position of the elite of the Russian Federation, as I said above. Globalists will win and everything will change quickly. Not immediately, but for 5-10 years. Various amendments to laws will allow public advertising, propaganda, education lessons at school, the third (fourth, etc.) gender in the passport, same-sex marriages will be fixed, incl. and in church, etc. All this is done in hundreds of directions. When planted from above, it is not possible to prevent this in the modern world. To organize the masses for resistance, we need a structure and leaders, and it is easiest to destroy leaders and a structure in modern society, the rest will scatter around their houses and sit quietly.
  • alekSASHKA-36
    alekSASHKA-36 22 June 2020 11: 54
    +6
    At the expense of fuel, just now, driving past a gas station, I thought about it, if I do not divide +3 rubles, then gasoline will be tightened.
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  • paul3390
    paul3390 22 June 2020 11: 56
    13
    Quote: Boris55
    Just as our grandfathers defended our independence from the West, today we must defend the independence of our Motherland from the same West.

    .. Under whose direction? Those who sell the country's resources to the West and then take out the stolen loot there ??? Whose children and families have long lived again in the West in a real estate bought there ?? Isn’t it funny for yourself?
  • Poetry
    Poetry 22 June 2020 11: 57
    -9
    Better Putin than "Susanin". All the more so than an American prostitute.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 22 June 2020 11: 57
    -6
    Quote: mark1
    Run, Klingon, run ... (and never come back!)

    why should I run, I don’t live in Russia anyway. my homeland is planet Earth, but the fact that intelligent monkeys decided it somehow there in a special way to share is another question laughing
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 22 June 2020 12: 09
    -10 qualifying.
    Have you ever wondered how Maidans and civil wars arise? But they arise very simply: small groups of radicals (democrats!) Frantically attack anyone who expresses an idea different from the thought of their instigators-provocateurs. Then the groups of these fierce ones grow and they terrorize everyone. Under the most democratic slogans! Something similar happens today in VO comments, where instead of discussion, pressure and terror are used for those who disagree, and instead of Bandera bits, dislikes are used.

    As regards this article and, in general, bacchanalia around amendments to the Constitution of Russia, which radically change it, some amendments will VERY MUCH. But good reasons were found for THEIR cancellation: the cancellation of the nullification of Putin’s presidency and a thorough discussion. And there you can bury them, having chatted ...

    The article, its hyperbole, swearing and dashing and tricky comparisons, in the style of Roman. Some even look like slander. What his adherents really like. But some pearls are very funny. "... it's not that simple." Does it look like anything? Yes, this is a wonderful excerpt from the letters of the "daughters of the Crimean officers"! "... double standards ..." Do you have double standards? It seems that not even doubles, but triples! And why declare the publication by the President of the results of a sociological study of ITS fiction? As for the haste, it comes from Putin's desire to rapidly reform the country and Russian society. What do you strenuously HINDER and slow down, pretending that you do not believe in his sincerity, the amendments WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING: your JOINT task with your Western "friends" is to disrupt the amendment of the Constitution by any means and ways. What are you doing. I'm not talking about 30 pieces of silver, because I have no facts. But I admit that you are not doing this unselfishly.

    And the snapshot in the title is valid: here you have the imperial flag, here the European Union, here Ukrainian. Only the portraits of Bandera and Vlasov are lacking! And what kind and enlightened faces of democratic demonstrators! VERY similar to Ukrainian Maidanites! If not for the Russian flags, then you can easily confuse.

    As for me, I'm not at all a reckless messenger. I have VERY many questions for Vladimir Vladimirovich both on the Ukrainian question, and on domestic politics, and the ambiguous attitude to the Soviet period in the history of Russia and its leaders. But I also know well that there are NO ideal people, the same Peter and Catherine the Great, Lenin and Stalin also made mistakes. But on TODAY, Putin is Russia's best leader.
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 June 2020 12: 42
      +6
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      But on TODAY, Putin is Russia's best leader.

      Do not offend the leader, set the time frame wider.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 22 June 2020 12: 56
        -8
        Perhaps I did not quite accurately put it. I do not consider Putin to be the best leader of Russia in history, all who stand before him are better than him. But for today's Russia - it is so far the best. I really want to hope that the next one will not be so loyal to the Alekseevs, Kolchaks, Mannerheim, Solzhenitsyn and other sheluponi, as the GDP will be just as smart. But today, Putin is the best. And he has considerable merits to Russia. First of all, that he prevented her collapse and returned to its rightful place. For all its other flaws. NO perfect people. If they were, then they would have wings and were called angels.

        I really want to hope that he will not use the amendment and will leave within the prescribed time. But this is if there will be a worthy successor.
        1. Vrungeli
          Vrungeli 22 June 2020 18: 06
          -10 qualifying.
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          I do not consider Putin to be the best leader of Russia in history, all who stand before him are better than him. But for today's Russia - it is so far the best. I really want to hope that the next one will not be so loyal to the Alekseevs, Kolchaks, Mannerheim, Solzhenitsyn and other sheluponi,

          I join and many here think the same thing, but are afraid .. hi
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          I really want to hope that he will not use the amendment and will leave within the prescribed time. But this is if there will be a worthy successor.

          I think it will be so .. Surprises he can do unexpected ...
          Well, now the massacre will begin ..Fas !!!!! laughing
        2. iouris
          iouris 22 June 2020 21: 58
          -4
          "Your Majesty, I will tell you in an old man's way (and do with me what you want): You are not an outstanding king of our time, you, you are the greatest!"
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 22 June 2020 13: 34
      11
      it is from Putin’s desire to accelerate reform of the country and Russian society.
      ... And who prevented him from rapidly reforming the country over the past 20 years ... Name it exactly ..
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 22 June 2020 15: 26
        -11 qualifying.
        I believe many, many. Including you, your colleagues on this site.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 22 June 2020 15: 47
          13
          Explain how ...? laughing As I interfered personally and my associates for 20 years prevented this and more in detail .... laughing And then we do not know .... laughing
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 22 June 2020 17: 58
            -8
            Quote: parusnik
            Explain how ...? laughing As I interfered personally and my associates for 20 years prevented this and more in detail .... laughing And then we do not know .... laughing

            Eeee ... So you (or your companions) still turn out to be a complaining-trickster, using dirty methods of argument - complained and banned my answer! But in him there was NO abuse or insults. Know the point I please! Well, how can I argue with you if you are dishonest? And you have an external gloss. Although the complexity is rotten!
            1. Vrungeli
              Vrungeli 22 June 2020 18: 03
              -11 qualifying.
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              Eeee ... So you (or your associates) still turn out to be a complaining trick, using dirty methods of argument - they banned my answer. Know the point I please! Well, how can I argue with you if you are dishonest? And you have an external gloss. Although the complexity is rotten!

              Bold comment Vladimir! hi Here is their whole gang and everything with avatars of Lenin, red flags, etc. Substitution of values, all according to Dulles ..
            2. DVR
              DVR 22 June 2020 19: 29
              -5
              Do not take it close, otherwise they will not succeed at all :) You are right - you hit the spot. They have one answer - a minus and a complaint :) I am humorous, let them puff, all the same, all their efforts are in vain. For a couple of weeks of quarantine, while I was here often, I understood this "kitchen" quite well.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 22 June 2020 22: 41
                -2
                Quote: DVR
                I have a sense of humor

                Chizhik-fawn, where have you been?
                I drank vodka on the Fontanka ...
                I drank a glass, drank two ....
                Quote: DVR
                You are right - hit the nail on the head.

                Did Vital get to the point? However... wink
                1. DVR
                  DVR 22 June 2020 22: 50
                  +2
                  Chizhik-fawn, where have you been?
                  I drank vodka on the Fontanka ...
                  I drank a glass, drank two ....

                  Here are the details of your pastime, I definitely do not care.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 22 June 2020 22: 58
                    -1
                    Quote: DVR
                    Here are the details of your pastime, I definitely do not care.

                    Yes? But the native police are very interested. I had to wear a mask. Why would that be?
                    1. DVR
                      DVR 22 June 2020 23: 20
                      +4
                      Yes? But the native police are very interested. I had to wear a mask. Why would that be?

                      When he considered that the police (2005) were wrong, he sued them. In a small town, where the head of the ROVD is the owner, among others, it is very difficult. He won 2 trials, was his own lawyer. The 2nd court - it is understandable - is a consequence of the first, the guys literally hunted, and they warned me about it. And I don’t want to say what they were carrying at the trial. Could and "stir up" something. I don’t deny the luck factor, the judge was caught - a normal man, a former Ministry of Internal Affairs personnel officer, by the way. If you think the police have broken the law, try it. There are many more possibilities now.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 22 June 2020 23: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: DVR
                        You think that the police broke the law, try it.

                        Not for me. Language is not much to talk.
                      2. DVR
                        DVR 22 June 2020 23: 33
                        +1
                        Not for me. Language is not much to talk.

                        Duck do not talk, do the thing. And as I see you here - only in language and much.
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 23 June 2020 02: 38
                        0
                        Quote: DVR
                        do the thing. And as I see you here - only in language and much.

                        I do business almost every day. Yes, and here, I do not chat with my tongue, but press the buttons.
    3. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 23 June 2020 00: 01
      0
      Well, where were you and your associates?
      And why didn’t you help the GDP with its reforms?
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  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 22 June 2020 12: 11
    11
    To play homophobia to promote the president is yes, really powerful and modern ...
    This constitutional theme has already thoroughly seized up, as soon as all this would end and the result of the "popular will" would be demonstrated, so that there would be something to laugh at. How much will they draw? 73 to 27? 69 to 31? Somewhere in this range. Largely because the mass of opponents are not going to vote.
    At one time I was an observer ~ in 2012 - in the elections to the state. Duma and presidential (from the Communist Party) - and if before that I had some illusions about the "democratic procedure", then after most of them were dispelled. As a methodical and meticulous person, I sat all day and counted the number of people who dropped ballots into ballot box 1 and box 2. Less was lowered into urn 2 because it was further away (sic!). And by 20:00 I had on hand specific numbers - how many in which bin. And so, imagine my surprise when the ballot box was simply changed, in about 5 minutes, while the entire election commission was celebrating, and the chairwoman was making good-natured speeches for Russian democracy. And if the figures for urn 1 converged almost completely, then in urn 2 there was a frank lime tree, three times more than it should have been neatly and twice folded "for EdRo".
    Without any "carousels" - beautiful and graceful, just replaced the trash can. I even saw the hero of the occasion at the very beginning of the day, when they gave us notebook pens in the back room - she stood neatly under one of the tables, waiting in the wings. Unfortunately, I did not betray this value then ..
    Why am I all this? Oh yeah, 7-day voting is a fake, compared to how you can falsify all of this in 5 minutes, on any of these 7 days. Already for this reason, it seems to me that waving the claws this time is stupid. Social polls have long and fairly accurately calculated the future turnout of supporters / opponents / indifferent, and in the range of this "+" a certain value is already "ready" for the future result. According to exactly the same scheme of "2012", which I once observed.
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 June 2020 12: 48
      -3
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Play homophobia

      This is not the case at all. Any "phobias" are severely condemned. Assess the situation carefully. There is reason to believe that the essence is in the creation of a new management system and this issue has already been resolved.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 22 June 2020 13: 06
        +5
        But what is the joke to create a new management system in the conditions of authoritarianism on the one hand, and full control by the party of power of all branches of power on the other hand?
        The system is already maximally tailored to fulfill orders "from above" - ​​to embody any, even the most stupid or indistinct, initiatives from above. A year that way since 2004 has been sharpened (and since 2008 it has been completely so). So it’s not entirely clear to me what is the point of some kind of structural changes within such a system, if the same amendments show that we still have the same authoritarianism and de facto one-party system.
        1. iouris
          iouris 23 June 2020 11: 57
          0
          The "joke" in what is happening in the United States. Is the obvious connection not visible?
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    3. parusnik
      parusnik 22 June 2020 13: 09
      +6
      I have a friend of the election commission, I already got the task, to ensure the turnout at the plebiscite in 60%
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 22 June 2020 13: 35
        +1
        I have a friend of the election commission .... I missed the word: chairman ....
    4. VladimirGore
      VladimirGore 23 June 2020 15: 01
      -1
      I support, I myself know acquaintances who were forced to do stuffing or edit forms like "washing machine handles", a relative was an observer in the elections and there were also changes in protocols. Like paper, do not get dirty if the system has created and filtered out such people for whom it is the norm to engage in falsifications, they will continue. People are very annoyed, angry after the quarantine, trust in the president and the government has dropped, so people, even without reading the amendments, are extremely negative, and the people who defend the amendments are also associated with the government and are also perceived negatively.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 23 June 2020 17: 27
        0
        It is understandable - they were waiting for actions and results, but everyone was given a ride with words and a rather clumsy "little move" with Tereshkova, the Federation Council and the Constitutional Court. 4 years before the elections - and all this is already hinting that in 4 years it will not be able to cope - neither find a successor, nor get out of the crisis - in 4 years the GDP will be in power for a FOURTH CENTURY. How much more is needed, how much?) There was no world war, no nuclear bombs fell on the head, no asteroid, the climate only warmed, oil was expensive most of the time, most of the time it was calm on the borders. And what was this time spent on? I have not seen a political struggle since 2004 - for 16 years already, the GDP has not been interfered with by its internal "plan", but the guarantor tells us - time is needed, guys! At least half of the elapsed time (10 years). And we like to believe - already without sweet promises and rainbow pictures, cartoons with rockets and lasers and hot speeches. I personally don't understand why this is needed. I don't see any constructiveness in this.
  • Vend
    Vend 22 June 2020 12: 57
    -6
    Quote: kotvov
    the author worked for the money. ,,
    And here you are, no. No arguments, no facts, solid lines from the training manual.

    If I were on a salary, I would have laid out the facts)) and you turn on the brain, maybe you will understand simple truths))
  • parusnik
    parusnik 22 June 2020 13: 07
    +6
    I have already written how the amendments are adopted in detail. Now, briefly. Amendments to the Constitution are adopted by the Federal Assembly, approved by the assemblies of the constituent entities of the Federation. There is no national referendum, plebiscite on this matter, neither the Constitution nor the Federal Law. Only the Constitution, as the main law, adopted in a popular referendum, which happened in 1993. A simple example, when an amendment on the extension of the presidential term was adopted, the people were not invited to a referendum or plebiscite. Disregard. You vote for the amendments. They have already been adopted according to the legislation. You vote against the amendments. They have already been adopted according to the legislation. You won't vote. They have already been adopted according to the legislation. If many decided that these amendments will decide something for the people, they will not decide anything .. For those in power, they decide a lot. For this, they were adopted ... After the so-called plebiscite, let's see how the collective farm "Dawn" will accelerate ...
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 22 June 2020 21: 45
      -1
      The Constitution with the Amendments is already on the shelves of bookstores. There are no prospects: if you don’t go "like a vote", they will write down the consonants, if you vote against it, the amendments have already been adopted! Eh, Saltykov-Shchedrin lived at the wrong time ...
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  • Radikal
    Radikal 22 June 2020 13: 36
    +4
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: blackice
    Let me ask you what betrays a liberal in a person?

    Here is a photo:



    Well, just a wonderful photo! They, the collapsed union, who wrote the current Constitution under the dictation of the State Department, do not want to change anything. Everything suits them. What about us? Do we still want to see Chubaisik and Gaidar men in power?
    And if after the adoption of the amendments "Chubaisik" still remains in power, put a bullet in your "wise" forehead? winked wassat
  • Radikal
    Radikal 22 June 2020 13: 39
    +6
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    At one time, Comrade Stalin walked in an embrace with Comrade Trotsky. What does it mean? But that doesn’t mean anything.

    Why don’t you continue with what, or how Trotsky finished ...? sad lol wassat tongue
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 14: 03
      -1
      Berezovsky also recklessly wrapped his neck in a scarf. And Nemtsov walked along the bridge. Who knows how Sobchak’s fate would have been if he hadn’t seized him. They do not like our associates.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 22 June 2020 13: 51
    0
    You might think that if the amendments are not accepted, the fuel will not be 75-100
  • codetalker
    codetalker 22 June 2020 13: 51
    -6
    Dear author, you have raised 3 questions, I will try to answer them so that the next time you do not waste time.
    Voting each amendment separately is difficult (is it possible?) Is feasible from a technical point of view. Voting by clusters is also voting “in bulk”. The people above in the comments have already bitten over where the buggers should be included.
    You almost answered the second question yourself. You cited a series of statements by Putin about the constitution. You should have given his statement about the need to change it in the framework of the message to the Assembly. Everything is clearly said there.
    Regarding the rush ... soon there will be six months from the date of the announcement of amendments. Where is the rush?
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  • Alsur
    Alsur 22 June 2020 14: 09
    -7
    Quote: WertGan
    I wonder how much Roman was paid for this "article"?

    How can you such blasphemy, the opposition is entirely silver-free.
  • Captan78
    Captan78 22 June 2020 14: 09
    +1
    Guys, I don’t want to get into your internal affairs, we have enough of our own problems here, but one author is already cursing an article for amendments to the Constitution, and the other says that it’s not bad at all ... Where is the consensus in this case?
    1. SVD68
      SVD68 22 June 2020 15: 43
      12
      Quote: Captan78
      Where is the consensus in this case?

      So the amendments as they were invented in order to destroy the consensus in society.
      You probably heard that in 2014, the Crimean consensus arose in Russian society. They talked and wrote a lot about this. And then they say this consensus began to erode over time. So nothing like that - the Crimean consensus did not begin to erode; in 2018, it began to be replaced by another consensus - the Pension Reform. And if the Crimean consensus was pro-government and thereby completely satisfied the authorities, the new consensus is anti-government. And so they are trying to shut up a new consensus. Putin’s fall in ratings is all but denied, they are trying to call the connection of this fall with pension reform inconsequential. Only occasionally is it published that 80-90% of the people are against reform.
      That's to break the pension reform consensus, and a way has been devised how to vote for confidence in Putin, excluding the issue of raising the retirement age from the agenda. This completely unnecessary vote for adoption of amendments requires just to be able to say: Yes, people do not approve of pension reform, but, despite this, they still trust Putin.
      This requires that the results of the voting be close to the results of the presidential elections in 2018. And the number of "For", and the turnout! And then it will be possible to say: You see, both before and after the pension reform the people are equally for Putin.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 22 June 2020 14: 11
    -6
    Quote: Captan78
    Guys, I don’t want to get into your internal affairs, we have enough of our own problems here, but one author is already cursing an article for amendments to the Constitution, and the other says that it’s not bad at all ... Where is the consensus in this case?

    You see the slogan, they need to change their power, whatever happens in the country. And the rest of the population on this fuss, as amended, is violet.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 22 June 2020 16: 03
      -8
      And to whom to exchange? I don’t mention Putin. I’m not going to mention Putin. I’m offended. Chubais-Zyuganov-Zhirinovsky-Mironov- all former members of the CPSU, Platoshkin-Grudinin, too .. Remained, it would seem, Navalny ... but he is a product of that system , which was created by the above, you know, Bulk remains of the eaten product ... And ..? ...
  • captain
    captain 22 June 2020 14: 17
    +6
    For centuries I agree with Skomarokhov, with part of what he writes.
  • Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 22 June 2020 14: 24
    -8
    Explain to us then that the legions of buggers are already on the border? Ready for all of us ...?

    Actually, yes. Many NGOs and grant-eaters have been fruitfully digging for this topic for a long time and, unfortunately,. The attempts to push through juvenile justice from the same opera are hardly restrained by conscious society.
    And about the inviolability of the Constitution, well, excuse me, Roman, but I don’t consider the Constitution of 93, or whatever the date is clear to everyone, written under the dictation of star-striped ones.
    So it's better that way than nothing at all.
    PS Well, in the XNUMXs, Putin was allowed much less independence than now. It's all about the "Art of War" by Sun Tzu. Say what the enemy wants to hear while you are weak.
  • Banshee
    22 June 2020 14: 25
    17
    Quote: Boris55
    Have you ever received a salary with office paper for a Snowflake printer?
    If not, then you don’t understand.


    Well, I got syringes at the factory. So what? Now all your life is crying "if only there was no war"? Enough. I would like EVERYONE to live well in Russia, not just Rotenbergs, Peskovy and others.
    1. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 22 June 2020 15: 15
      -1
      Quote: Banshee
      I want everyone in Russia to live well

      This has never been and never will be in the history of the species under the ironic name of Homo Sapiens. Whatever Russia.
      This species should rather be called Homo Lupus, but it is, purely out loud thoughts.
    2. V1er
      V1er 23 June 2020 11: 39
      -2
      I fully support you, Roman. I hope you keep the local colorful comments so that in a year you can write another article and take stock.
  • AlexSam
    AlexSam 22 June 2020 14: 56
    -4
    Roman, please answer me: Suppose amendments to the Constitution are not accepted, and Putin leaves after 2024 and one of the glorious liberal (democratic) cohorts wins the election. After how long will same-sex marriages be allowed, their adoption of children, teaching in tolerance schools, will the islands of the Kuril ridge be transferred to Japan and then the Kuril Islands themselves? And further down the list of amendments. How long after this the Northern Caucasus flames, to which all kinds of pederastic dances are alien, and where is ISIS and other Wahhabis gushing? After what time does fuel, gas for the population, food, utilities fall in price to the level of pre-crisis 1988 or 2008 (of your choice)?
    Would you like to cover these issues as exhaustively as you did in the last, penultimate and previous articles, but in a positive way? Very many (the vast majority of respondents to this resource) will read your article with great interest.
    1. Sergey Zhikharev
      Sergey Zhikharev 22 June 2020 17: 20
      +4
      I'm not Roman, but I will answer
      Suppose amendments to the Constitution are not accepted, and Putin leaves after 2024 and one of the glorious liberal (democratic) cohorts wins the election. After how long will same-sex marriages be allowed, their adoption of children, teaching in tolerance schools, will the islands of the Kuril ridge be transferred to Japan and then the Kuril Islands themselves? And further down the list of amendments. How long after this the Northern Caucasus flames, to which all kinds of pederastic dances are alien, and where is ISIS and other Wahhabis gushing? After what time does fuel, gas for the population, food, utilities fall in price to the level of pre-crisis 1988 or 2008 (of your choice)?

      1. Why does it benefit from a liberal / democratic cohort? As polls show, most Russians do not support liberal universal values.
      2. Suppose amendments to the Constitution have been passed, but in 2024 liberals came to power. They declare that Putin was a villain, a tyrant, a dictator (he ate babies), so all his achievements must be nullified. Everything is written in the Constitution? - Yes, a new one will be!
      The very same hysteria around the Constitution, as noted above, reminds me of the 90s (to me personally, "Manipulation of Consciousness") - "faster, faster, today, otherwise it will be too late tomorrow." Why late? Why are all the amendments in bulk. Why is the whole situation in the spirit of "either the Constitution or the Arctic fox of Russia"? There is no third option for some reason
  • Radikal
    Radikal 22 June 2020 15: 20
    +1
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Berezovsky also recklessly wrapped his neck in a scarf. And Nemtsov walked along the bridge. Who knows how Sobchak’s fate would have been if he hadn’t seized him. They do not like our associates.

    Oh how ?! Well are you about your idol so ??? belay lol wassat good
  • Tomich3
    Tomich3 22 June 2020 15: 37
    +6
    What to expect? I would advise you to pick up the deposits. And then we already went through it. Yes, and talk about it went not so long ago (at least about the transfer of currency into rubles).
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 22 June 2020 15: 41
    0
    Quote: WertGan


    But I’m also interested in how much ... I mean: for how much.
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  • Olfred
    Olfred 22 June 2020 16: 06
    +7
    I agree with what Roman wrote, the feeling is as if we are "on the verge of a grandiose nix" laughing
    Power in a hurry, urges, does not allow to think.
    Especially with such vague amendments, atas, I’m not a lawyer and I don’t understand from the word AT ALL, for example, who is God? This is a transcendental essence that cannot be understood by the human consciousness, but for some reason this will be enshrined in the constitution. That is, something spiritual and incomprehensible was adapted to the material - it nobly amuses laughing
    Yes, pensions, education, medicine, industry - this is undoubtedly important and necessary, and on the lips of many, and "I am of the same opinion" (c)
    I am personally scared (terrified) by the population growth over these "happy" 20 years. From year to year, the growth was negative (these figures are on the network), and for some reason it is not customary to talk about this, only the pits are blamed (not those on the road, but which are demographic), the indigenous population is slowly but surely replaced by various migrants , (especially against the background of degrading education), therefore, the IMHO numbers do not change much, what's the difference, on paper the numbers have no affiliation, and sitting on a high bell tower cannot be distinguished at all. So who is to blame for this, who will be held responsible? Oh yes - no one, as usual it is itself ... And now we will vote together on the infallibility and non-jurisdiction of the president, and in general everything will be in openwork
    hi
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 22 June 2020 21: 54
      +1
      Power in a hurry, urges, does not allow to think.

      When gypsies or other cheaters on the street lure money, they also act quickly: in a hurry, pushing and not letting you think